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Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented
by fan Tracks, your source of information

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and analysis to help you win your
fantasy hockey league. Fuck off, I

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have to step on. Stay lost. Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe here

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and Victor nun Yo Fannessee Hockey Live. It's Jesse Severe from fan Tracks.

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It's Victor Nuno from Diver Prospects.
Victor, how you doing today? I'm

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doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah,
it's good to be. It's gonna be

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back doing our team preview stuff.
And how are you doing, Bady?

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I'm doing great. I'm doing great. It rained recently in Wisconsin, but

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before then it was a desert,
but it wasn't an Arizona kind of desert.

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I would say, we're talking Arizona
the Yots today, and yeah,

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in just so many ways, it's
more desolate apt there than it is here,

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and I'm thankful for that. Am
I begging on Arizona early in the

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episode, Victor? I need to
be gentle? Is there such a thing

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as starting too early to bag on
Arizona? Oh? Man, oh,

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this is gonna be. This is
gonna be a ride, folks. The

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Arizona Yots today is going to be
a ride. Hey, you know,

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maybe I should set this up a
little bit more. I never do that.

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We are going to have our interview
with our guest beat writer, then

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we are going to have Cat's Instincts
on Goalie's goalie prospects particularly, and then

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we're going to do the Dynasty dig
where we talk about three prospects on our

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minds. So that's what's ahead of
us. But if you want to ask

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questions, you could be a part
of this. You don't have to be

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just hanging out there that you can
be a part of what we do.

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And to do that, you can
join the discord. The discord is free.

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There are tons of people talking in
there every day. All you have

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to do to be a part of
it is email us Fantasy Hockeylife at gmail

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dot com or hit us up on
Twitter at Hockey Life at Victor Nuno twelve.

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That's what to do. But Victor, just wait, there's more stuff

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going on. Why did you tell
people other things that they could do to

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participate in the show. Yeah,
we have a lot of really good stuff.

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The draft content, as we did
is pretty close to over, but

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there is actually some other cool things
that you can do to participate. In

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one of them. We've had on
the show previously, Tyler Matson, who

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did the Average Draft Position project,
and he hasn't been able to do that

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this year, and we decided that
we're going to take that over. And

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what that is, if you don't
remember, it's collecting all of the people's

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drafts and compiling them into an average
Draft Position project. And so that's what

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we're going to do. So if
you have a twenty twenty three rookie draft

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that results that you could send to
us, then that would be great.

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And we have some really great patrons
that are working on compiling that so we

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can use that data, we can
talk about it on the show, and

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we can use it for our patrons
to see, Hey, if you're in

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a draft wondering where people went in
other people's draft, then you can have

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that. So the easiest way to
do that is, once your draft is

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complete, you just go into fantracks
where it goes where it says draft results,

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You view the draft results, you
download the CSV, and you can

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send it to us. We would
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how many teams there are and what
the settings are, so we can track

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that all in a spreadsheet, and
that would be great if you could participate

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that with us. You could DM
that to either myself or Jesse, or

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the easier ways just to email it. So you can email it to me

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at some Twitter buyer Victor at gmail
dot com or Fantasy Hockey Life at gmail

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dot com. But that's not all
Victor. People can do lots of other

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things that they choose to get with
us and be part of us. There

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is such a thing as a Patreon
associated with this your podcast. Why don't

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you tell people all the cool things
that happen there. Yeah, if you

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want to be a patron, you
can be like these cool patrons that are

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helping out with the average draft position. It was really funny the one I

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was talking with one of the patrons
and he was telling me we were talking

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about how we could do this in
a really seamless way, and he started

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talking about writing this Python code and
I was like, immediately realized he was

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talking way over my head, but
also very cool that he could do something

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like that. Anyways, come hanging
out with the cool kids. We have

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a Patreon, we have patron casts, we have a bunch of really cool

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things, like the Patron Priority Channel, and the spreadsheet, which is really

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great. The rank sheet, which
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four words goalies, defense, always
updating and tinkering with that. We're going

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to move the twenty twenty three guys
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here, and so you're gonna be
able to look at if you're wondering how

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do these guys. A lot of
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twenty three, but it actually overlaps
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that's where the sheet really comes in
handy, and Jessie's gonna help me with

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that migration here in the next a
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think, is what you promised,
we'll see tangent. So there's really good

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stuff like that. And the other
big thing is joining the tidy the tier

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dynasty. So if you want to
be in that, it's a really great

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league where you work your way up
year by year. All the best from

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last year worked work themselves up into
a top tier, but they're gonna have

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to work hard to stay there because
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they're all linked together, and we
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talk about it and it's good stuff. So if you want to do that,

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you have to be a patriot.
It's a patron perk and it's a

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really competitive, interesting league the way
it's set up. So if you can,

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if you want to one details on
that, you can DM me.

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But check out patreon dot com slash
Fantasy Hockey Life for all the goodness on

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there. For sure, it is
a really cool league. A lot of

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people message us, they're like,
how can I play a really cool dynasty

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hockey league? And I say,
we've got one running right now and you

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can participate in it. And the
thing is, some of the teams have

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been vacated because we have created the
top tier out of last year's guess what

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they left behind the best players because
they won, and you can go in

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get some of those players, compete
in your one, but also do your

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building for the future. So it
definitely get in on that. Now is

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the time. We want to get
this sucker together sooner rather than later.

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So don't wait, Victor. We
got to talk Arizona Coyotes, and hey,

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we're gonna enjoy it. We're gonna
enjoy it, and we're gonna do

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so right effort. Welcoming back to
the show. One of our favorite guests

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to talk about Arizona Coyotes, Patrick
Brown, who works for the NHL.

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You so on the team beat for
the Coyotes. How you doing today,

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Patrick, what's up? It's good
to be back. I'm doing great.

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Thanks for thanks for having me on, especially in the dull drums of summer

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where all we have is baseball,
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always nice to talk hockey, especially
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me out. Yeah it's d backs
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you need but it needs something cool
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Arizona in the summer. You need
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miserable there and rookie development camp couldn't
have come at a better time. We're

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in the midst of I think it's
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that week at the ice ten and
at all sorts of sheets. There's no

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better place to be in the summer
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it was good. Nice. The
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term rebuilt There's no doubt about it. They finished twenty seventh and standing points,

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and they had the mission of flipping
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it. They did it. Jacob
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Bukstag, Nick Ritchie are all gone
for some returning value. They laundered money

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to try to get some advance on
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then, of course last year the
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some different economic situation. On the
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powerplay goals against, they took the
fewest shots and somehow the PDO is over

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one hundred. And then you had
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We don't need to change. He's
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part of the preview now, Okay, just generally, where did the Coyotes

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followers see the progress of this rebuild
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has meant a lot to Coyotes fans. It's been exciting to see Bill Armstrong

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go out and get guys like Zucker
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but then he came back and signed
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Troy Stecture. Stecture went to Calgary
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resigned. Two players from last year's
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tells you, in my opinion,
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of this team. You tune out
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it's hard to do, but you
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myself included, has any control over
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be are doing everything they can to
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interesting to watch their progress, but
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on the ice. While you mentioned
the rebuild, for sure, I think

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it speaks volumes that a team playing
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came back, and they cited directly
the coaching staff Andre Turini and his coaching

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staff. That was a direct reason
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the culture of the team is there
and outsiders have no clue. And I

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don't mean to sound condescending, I
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some of the headlines that come out
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because the culture is incredible in that
locker room, and it's because of guys

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like Nick Buge's dad, because of
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character ad just an incredible ad to
that to the locker room, not to

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mention his twenty seven goals, which
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And so it's encouraging to see that, and I think fans are excited

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to see the free agency that they
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with the past couple of drafts,
five first round picks in the last two

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years, and you look at what
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They still have a ton of draft
picks ahead of them for the next

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three years. Will they make all
those Time will tell. Maybe when you

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get a little bit further into the
rebuild two years from now, you can

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trade some of those assets to bring
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a championship contender. But I think
the most important thing that you want to

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see as a fan is progress,
and you're seeing that they played lights out

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at Malad Arena. It was what
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maulad Arena, last season best season
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was about eight years. And you
see the guys want to play for coach

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Andre Cerini. Andrea, by the
way, just an incredible guy and he'll

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always stop to talk to you and
everything else. And that's the culture that

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they're building. And it's even more
impressive considering all the distractions. But the

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fans, the media here, everybody
who follows this team, it's not a

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surprise because you see the people that
they have in place, and they've got

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the right people in place. Let's
start with the best person place as far

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as I'm concerned, Clayton Keller.
He had thirty seven goals, forty nine

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assists eighty six points in eighty two
games. The last time a Coyote hit

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eighty six points or even crossed eighty
points was nineteen ninety six ninety seven,

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the first year there were in Arizona, and it was Keith Kachuck. Keller

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was just tore it in the spring
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he scored forty one points for the
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He played every single game his defense
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offense was just so good. Can
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his surrounding cast until some new guys
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think there's another level, and I
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got an even one other level that
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scary thought. What made his season
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is coming off of that devastating leg
injury that he suffered against the San

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Jose Sharks back in the twenty one
twenty two season. I was at that

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game. It was awful to see
it, and you see how hard he

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worked in the off season, and
then what he did last year. You

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mentioned the eighty six points ties Keith
Kitchuck, which is an all time Coyotes

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record. He tied it. He
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he tied it on the last day. That was awesome, And it was

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even cooler tie in because Keith Kitkchuck
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in Saint Louis, so even even
really cool tie in there. But the

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best thing, one of the best
thing that Keller said just recently at the

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Masterton Awards ceremony at the NHUL Awards
a couple of weeks ago, was that

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he feels like he's got a head
start on this year because he's not recovering,

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he's not rehabbing. That's a scary
thought when a guy who just put

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up eighty six points is telling you
he feels like he's got a headstart on

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the upcoming season. He's got a
whole new level to get to. We'll

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see if he can get to that. But all upside with Kell's and really

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happy to see the season that he
had. Nick Schmaltz twenty two goals,

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thirty six fifty eight points in sixty
three games. That was the same number

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of games to the prior year,
with exactly one fewer point, very similar

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shots, very similar hits, Very
were blocks. It's unfortunate that part of

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that consistency was the misstime. Of
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As far as I can tell,
we're an early season rib injury,

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and now he Keller and Hayton are
an amazing line together. Despite the games

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that line missed, they played the
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NHL. I think I saw it. Would you predict Schmaltz to be the

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third that might be five by five
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the third eighty point coyote next year? Provided he's he's healthy, He's capable.

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He's certainly capable of getting there,
especially on that top line. I'll

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tell you and we'll talk about Barrett
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but he came in and really stabilized
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There was a couple. They're a
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season with who's going to center that
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and Schmaltz. And Schmaltz is great. He's got amazing chemistry with Keller.

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Watching them three on three and overtime
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find each other all over the place
and really fun to watch them three on

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three go as well. But yeah, Schmaltzy certainly has a chance. He

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can be a point per game player. He's shown it. You an he's

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consistent. He is a little streaky, but he's also consistent in that you

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mentioned his point totals for last two
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the exact same amount of games played. So health will be the big thing

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for him if he could stay in. But he certainly has the capability to

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be a point per game player.
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to talk about is Matthias MICHELLI not
that Mattie Banier's own power and Stuart Skinner

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didn't deserve Calder Trophy recognition, but
for my money, I think Mitchelli should

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have been in there. I don't
think anyone did more with less as a

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rookie than he did. I know
I'm preaching of the choir here, Pat,

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but everyone needs to know that preach
preach. Forty nine points and sixty

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four games paced out to sixty three
point page. He played a full sixty

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two of his forty nine points,
thirty three of them are primary, only

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sixteen eight two's less. You think
he lucked out into a bunch of secondaries,

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especially considering that his most common linemates
were either lost in Krows pretty good

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player and Nick Bukstad or Kraus and
McBain. And I think that the other

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candidates had much better players to work
with. No offense to those guys that

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Mitchelli got to play with and if
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goals against per sixty and his goals
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NHL average. Surprisingly, he was
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think there's maybe suggesters room for improvement
there under the hood. Mitchelli did have

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a high PDO at ten twenty four
and his IP was eighty seven percent.

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I don't know that he rocks that
his whole career, but he had one

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hundred percent power play IPP, so
when he was on there, he did

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get I guess, either lucky or
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High shooting percentage at eighteen, that's
the thing. He doesn't shoot a

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whole lot. Patrick, It seems
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way, unless you think he can
take another big step. But I'm also

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really excited about what this player can
do, So tell us what you think

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he has in store. Yeah,
it was nice to see him at least

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finished fourth in cauld voting. Yeah, you were preaching to the choir.

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You said it all already. He
had a spectacular season that, frankly,

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I don't want to say came out
of nowhere, because most we knew what

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he was capable of. But he's
ahead I think of where some people expected

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him to be. He's a true
playmaker and where I think he really started

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getting dangerous last year's he started finding
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after one game he scored a goal, maybe might have been two,

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but he'd started scoring on a more
consistent basis, and Andre Turini joked that

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he just started telling Michellie to start
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net because he's a playmaker. He
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he wasn't scoring. That changed.
He scored eight of his eleven goals that

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season in the final twenty five games
of the year last year, so what's

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happening now is he's starting to find
his offensive game, find the back of

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the net a little bit, and
he becomes more of a threat. People

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don't realize now, is he going
to pass? Is he gonna shoot?

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They can They have to stop focusing
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think he's gonna trend up. It
all depends on who he's going to play

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with this year as well, obviously, but when you're bringing guys like Zucker

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into the mix, and you've already
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and there's a little more room for
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Michelle has a lot of upside,
but so yeah, we'll see. A

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sophomore season is always a big season
to see how that turns out. But

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a lot of promise with Michelley's game, a lot of promise loss in Krause.

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Remember this guy who was a number
an eleven overall pick. He set

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a career high in scoring at forty
five points in seventy seven games, two

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shots, three quarters of a block, two and a half hits a game.

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He's been a bash guy number twenty
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shots plus hits among forwards in the
NHL for years, but that scoring puts

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him over the top as a great
fantasy value for US fantasy types anyway.

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Krouse is one of these guys who
they sometimes don't play the biggest offensive role

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on the team, but they again
put up the physical stats. Is he

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going to basically have the same role
on the team next year? Is there

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any chance that he takes on any
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think he's got potential to reach thirty
goals. I really do twenty four last

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season, and he made known even
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his goal is thirty and it looked
for a while like he was gonna get

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it. Went a little cold in
the middle of the season, but bounced

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back. Well, he's got potential
for thirty goals. But you said it.

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He's a real big character guy too, just one of the leaders of

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that locker room on and off the
ice, one of the nicest guys in

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the world, and just strong work
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on a team. So he'll always
be in that role, no doubt about

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it. I would expect him to
hover probably around where he's at, but

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my Beer League GM skills are pretty
lousy. Not gonna lie, But he's

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got potential to be a thirty goal
scorer. I know he expects that out

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of himself and that's going to be
fun to watch him grow and see how

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he grows next season. Speaking of
growth, I think we've all been excited

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to see where bay Air Barrett Hayden
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slow burn for the twenty eighteen fifth
overall pick He's continued to increase his NHL

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point pace each season. This season
though much more than points. He played

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seventeen thirty time on ice and played
all eighty two, which was huge play

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saw some progression through the season.
His power play time grew as well,

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and one very telling stat I would
say is that only Keller and Schmaltz were

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better without Haydon on the ice.
So in terms of who's going to improve

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when you take the other player away, those are the only two guys that

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could handle not playing with Haydon,
I guess is one way of saying in

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terms of sustaining production. So that's
really good. If you look at his

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underlying stats on Evolving Hockey, all
of his underlyings are either well above or

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above an HL average in terms of
his expected goals against for corsi, so

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that's pretty fantastic stuff. A lot
of people thought when he came into the

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league he's going to be the next
top line center for the Arizona Coyotes.

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I think that suggestion was throwing out
the window early on, but I think

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it's still possible that he reaches that
or at least close to that. So

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what do you think we think Payton
has a store and this year and then

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maybe beyond that, it's all about
his start this season. Really slow start

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last season from a point production and
standpoint, but he's stuck with it.

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He persevered and I've got my notes
here. Seventeen goals and eighteen assists of

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his came in the last forty seven
games of the season. He really found

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his stride when when the calendar turned
into twenty twenty three. Another thing I'll

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say is underrated about Hayden, and
I don't know how much your listeners care

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about faceoffs, but he's a really
important faceoff guy. He's in there.

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He's really good at winning draws.
He can go up against the number one

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faceoff guy, especially in the defensive
zone when you need to win. He's

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a really good faceoff guy and he
prides himself in that as well. I'm

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saying in a lot and I know
him a little biased, but a lot

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of upside with Hayden. But it's
all gonna be about how he starts the

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season and if he's centering Keller and
Schmaltz, because his production at the end

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of last year was fun to watch
and it was nice to see him bounce

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back the way he did for sure, that was super exciting to see.

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And yeah, obviously he's playing between
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Yea, So watch the deployment for
sure. All right, let's move on

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to kick them. We got a
couple of new guys, Zucker Alex Kerfoot.

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Three seasons in Pittsburgh for Zucker,
mostly playing with I Ginny Malkin,

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saw him average about forty five point
pace, not super exciting. Kirkfoot's fourth

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seasons and Toronto saw him put up
roughly a thirty five point pace. A

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couple of boots here and there.
He occasionally saw time with some of the

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big boys, Tavarus Marner. Actually, I would say he regularly saw time

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with those guys Tavars Marnerni Lander,
Matthews, and wasn't ever really to do

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that much with it. Disappointing there. But between these two, who do

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you think is gonna get better deployment? And who would you take here?

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That's a tough pick, but I
think they're two very different players and there's

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a couple of variables there. For
Zucker, it's his health right last year,

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like you said, as what is
I think twenty seven goals, twenty

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one assists something of that nature,
and he stayed healthy. He stayed he

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was in seventy eight games, but
he was able to get that production out

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there. And Kerfoot, meanwhile,
is a little bit he's more versatile.

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Gm Bill Armstrong called him to glue. You can play him wherever you have

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a whole, wherever you need him
to go. He has that ability to

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play. So it's going to be
about time. If Zucker stays healthy,

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it would be my opinion he'd be
slightly more offense. He would produce slightly

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more on the offensive side of things. But I think I don't want to

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call it a coin flip. They're
two very different players. It's an interesting

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comparison because it comes down to their
role and how much time they're going to

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see and their health. Yeah,
for sure, hard to say I personally

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would take Zucker, But it also
deplands on the deployment. You gotta just

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watch and see who's getting the opportunity. One more quick question on the forwards.

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Dylan Gunther. We have seen some
of him last season. We also

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saw him go back to the WHL
and tear it out, But just seems

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unfair for the rest of the WHL
because He's clearly an NHL caliber player.

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He should be there next year.
He needs he's a sniper, he needs

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to play with a playmaker. He
didn't really get to play with the best

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of Mitchelli and Hayden. The wonder
if there's potentially a nice marriage there.

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What do you think we can expect
from Dylan Gunther this season? This is

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a big season of growth for him. Six goals, nine assistant, thirty

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three games NHL games last year,
and what a year he had. Hat

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tip to the year that he had. I was joking with him at DEV

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camp a couple of weeks ago.
I don't know if there's a single day

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all year he didn't spend in a
rink because he made the team, which

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not a lot of people expected him
to do, make the Coyotes out of

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camp, and then went to World
Juniors and scored the golden goal, winning

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the golden goal for Team Canada World
Juniors obviously, then was assigned to Seattle,

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tore it up, won a WHL
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as well. So just an unbelievable
year for Dylan Gunther. A lot of

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upside. It's going to be interesting
to see how it goes, but his

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potential, his ceiling is through the
roof. And when you look at what

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Bill Armstrong did to acquire him back
with trading Oel and counter Garland, that's

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right, that Oel contract And how
does that look now even trading that and

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seeing the player that they got and
they had no first round pick that year

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and they come out of that year
with Gunther that it's good stuff. He's

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gonna be really excited to see what
he does. A lot of upside,

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but I would we'll see how he
grows. It's a big season for him

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in terms of growth. Anyway,
at the time, that was a steal

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for Arizona offloading that contract, but
it looks even better now. Yeah,

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I'm excited to see Gunther in the
new role, So definitely watch him closely.

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He's someone who has the potential to
really pop off if everything goes right.

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For sure. Let's switch over to
the d and we're actually gonna start

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with the new member and that is
Sean Drzy. But the last two seasons

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with Los Angeles obviously, and he
is a pretty good offensive player. He's

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taken power play time from Drew Dawdy. Drew Daddy has been injured and he's

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been back and forth. He shows
he's capable when he gets the role.

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In fact, if you look at
his underlying metrics, his expected goals on

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the power Play are really good and
his performance kind of speaks for itself.

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Not everybody steps into that role and
does really well. It's some guys,

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even if they have talent bags trouble. It's good to see that he's done

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that. Forty points at forty point
pace is what he's hovered at. He's

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had thirty power Play points in the
last two seasons. Combined with meandering role

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there, it seems like he's destined
to run the power Play in Arizona.

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I'm before this signing, I was
gonna be really optimistic about the next guy

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we're going to talk about, Vala
Macki, which seems like Dursey just leap

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frogs him. Though, what do
you think we can expect from Jersey?

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Yeah, I'd say if any player
we're gonna talk about today, I have

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the least intel on Jersey because I
haven't really seen him live and in person

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Sands the Coyotes playing the Kings.
However, everything you said is right on

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the money. I think he in
dealing Shane Gasta Spare at the trade deadline

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last year. That was tough on
the team for a number of reasons,

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not just the leadership he brings,
but the offensive power and the power play

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his power play intel, and I
think Dursey can slide right in and help

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help boost that back right away.
So it was a good signing, like

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you said, hovering around forty points. So definitely some offensive production there.

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And we'll see if he can pick
up where Gasta Spare left off, because

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Shane Gostispar was doing some impressive things
in the valley before he left. He

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sure was. And so we'll get
to Valamaki now, because yeah, he's

406
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someone I've been really I was been
really excited about it since early in his

407
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career, and I had him expecting
really big things from him, and I

408
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guess I could say maybe I wasn't
wrong. I was just early on him

409
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because and now one hundred and sixty
games into his NHL career, gossips beer

410
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,079
chicker and gone. As you mentioned, he was finally able to shine.

411
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,359
He did some really good things there. I feel like he just needed someone

412
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,200
to believe in him, and the
Coyotes did and that was great to see.

413
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,000
Obviously, the Jersey signing hurts his
opportunity, but thirty six point pace

414
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for Valamaki with over eighteen minutes time
on ice prove that he could hang.

415
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He was playing in the low twenty
minutes even at times before the Jersey signing.

416
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I was hoping that maybe he could
break a forty point pace. I

417
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think that might be more challenging now
with Jersey there. But what do you

418
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think you can expect from Valamaki now? Like you said, he took that

419
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,839
step and he's such a good story
because it just didn't work out in Calgary

420
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,519
for whatever reason he used. Those
seems to be one of those examples that,

421
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like you said, when you get
to change the scenery and you come

422
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into Andre Turini's group especially, it
gives you a chance to shine and it

423
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,200
gives you a chance to jump start
where you're at. I think he's got

424
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,279
potential on production, for sure.
I would have expect him to hover around

425
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,960
basically where he was last year.
But sound defensively, good decision maker,

426
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,880
good outlet passes from the zone,
makes a good first pass, and from

427
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an offensive perspective, there's potential there. It depends on how special teams play

428
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,079
out though, all right, Moving
on to JJ Moser. After having a

429
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,880
nice little run late in twenty one
twenty two, he was a solid member

430
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,440
of the Coyote blue line. Last
year, he led the defenseman on the

431
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,880
team in total time on ice.
His thirty one points with a shot,

432
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,440
a hit in a block and half
a point per game was marginal for fantasy,

433
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,559
but he's also only twenty two and
probably wouldn't have played such a role

434
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,279
on almost any other NHL club because
a lot of the big defenseman for this

435
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,039
team, as we've said, we're
moving out. He even led the team

436
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,519
in defenceman power play tom on ice
with Gods despar and chickering out the door

437
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,960
are the additions that we have talked
about above enough to knock Moser out of

438
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,559
a leading role this year, Pat, I would say not no. JJ

439
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,680
is expected to be a leader,
and he's still young. But I've said

440
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,119
this a lot because as a rebuilding
team, you should say it a lot,

441
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,400
but a lot of upside with JJ, and I think he really exceeded

442
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,599
expectations two seasons ago. So because
of that, he came in last season

443
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,599
and had some higher expectations. Rightfully, and you think about how he's been

444
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,960
learning the league and learning the game. It's been from veterans. When he

445
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,799
first entered the league at Bill arms
Strung had acquired a lot of veterans,

446
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160
so he got that presence. But
he's still so young, and he's had

447
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,400
to learn and improve on a rebuilding
team, and I think he's done an

448
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,279
incredible job. So I don't see
him getting bumped from one of the top

449
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,599
spots. He's expected to be a
leader on this team. He's expected to

450
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,400
be out there a whole lot,
and I just think it's been really interesting

451
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,720
to watch him grow, especially the
role that he stepped into, which was

452
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,920
a pretty big role right out of
the gate. Well, Victor Soderstrom has

453
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
had a couple of kind of up
and down years now, and while this

454
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,799
performance wasn't awful in the lineup,
he hasn't been the breakout that I'd hoped

455
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,799
for maybe, and I don't know
Kyote fans expectations, certainly As a recent

456
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
number eleven overall pick, he put
up nine points to shot a black and

457
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,920
half a hit per game in the
thirty games he played last year. Playing

458
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,839
his other forty four contest down in
Tucson of the ahl is third straight year

459
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,160
predominantly playing in the A. Do
you expect a bigger role for Soderstrom going

460
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,880
forward or does he kind of risk
being an up and down type death player

461
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,720
at this point, I could certainly
see again. I don't want to speak

462
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:42,599
for Bill are Strong or Andre or
anyone. Take everything with a grain of

463
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,759
salt, but I could see him
again being a depth player. It depends

464
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:51,079
on the Coyotes have one more defenseman
roster spot. I'd say to keep your

465
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,839
eye on through free agency. Again, no insider information, just looking at

466
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,079
the roster up and down. If
they bring in another defenseman, that might

467
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,200
muddy the water a little bit.
How However, Turini loves to go eleven

468
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,920
seven as well. He's played eleven
seven quite a bit over the last two

469
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,359
seasons, so if you have that
extra defenseman up, he could be filling

470
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,279
that in as well. If you're
skating seven defenseman. It'll be interesting to

471
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,920
see. But I would not expect, at least out of the gate Victor

472
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:19,000
to have a predominant role in the
blue line, especially with some of the

473
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:25,880
experience and talents they brought in.
Yeah, but this Victor has a predominant

474
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,119
role on this podcast, never would
change. That never would change that great

475
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,920
stuff on the Fords and d probably
got to get your takes now. On

476
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,759
the goalies, the Carts had the
twenty fifth expected goals against per sixty in

477
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,359
the league with the twenty fourth actual
goals against I meaning they'd slightly outperformed that,

478
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,839
which is great. Carrel vill Melka
was a really big breakout star of

479
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:52,400
the previous season, and he was
not quite the volume stud we thought.

480
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,559
I thought that he'd maybe challenge the
sixty plus games, but fifty is still

481
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,359
really good and he did save more
goals than expected, even he had a

482
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,079
slightly worse delta Fenwick. What overall
pretty strong season from him, and the

483
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,960
reason he didn't play as many games
I thought is because the guy we'll talk

484
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,519
about after him did really well.
But in terms of Correl, this is

485
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,960
two strong seasons now and we know
that the Coyotes have some investment in him.

486
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,279
So what do you think we can
expect from him moving forward? Yeah?

487
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,599
I think especially and you mentioned Ingram
as well, who just signed a

488
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,119
three year deal. You'll see one, A, one B probably out of

489
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,079
them again. But man, you
look at where this team was two seasons

490
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,880
ago. They had Carter Hutton coming
in and no one else and Vimlca makes

491
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,880
the team out of camp, surprises
everyone and now has played one hundred and

492
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,920
two games in the NHL. It's
crazy to think about what he's done over

493
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,920
the last two years. And when
you look at you're giving up his goals

494
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,079
against his three point five five,
but his safe percentage career is almost nine

495
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,480
hundreds at eight ninety nine. That's
remarkable when you realize what you're safe percentage

496
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,559
is when you're giving up that many
goals per game. So he's facing a

497
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,880
lot of shots, he's making a
lot of saves. He's single handedly stealing

498
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,079
at least a half dozen if not
more games for the Coyotes every season,

499
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:08,960
I would say, And he's fun
to watch, So I would expect him

500
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,079
to keep continue playing exactly what we've
seen on him, steady, consistent and

501
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,559
with Ingram. I don't want even
want to say backing him up necessarily,

502
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:21,920
I don't want to use that,
but with Ingram by his side, or

503
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,880
however you want to say, it'll
be a good tandem to see. Yeah,

504
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,400
I was almost wondering last year when
he was winning games for them,

505
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:31,799
was like, I almost wonder if
fans were cringing a little bit, like

506
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,799
come on, man, we're trying
to here, let's go. It's it

507
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,400
was an interesting journey last year all
around, just because of that, because

508
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,319
you're not going to be up.
You can't be upset about your team winning,

509
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:47,880
especially when there's a lottery it'd be
something else in The Coyotes have never

510
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,279
caught any lottery luck like ever,
so I think it spoke volumes that everybody

511
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,440
was just happy they didn't move back
from six this year. I think there's

512
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,359
a lot to a lot to look
there, but it was hard to It's

513
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,519
hard to be upset when you're winning
and the guys all want to win.

514
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,799
You see how hard they work.
But he had. Veggie has stolen some

515
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,799
games for sure, especially against Boston
last year. That was a wild one.

516
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,119
Anyways, Yeah, players don't tank, we know that. But yeah,

517
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,119
let's talk about Connor Ingram. What
a surprise he was. Had the

518
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,640
highest goal save above expected on the
team and the best Delta Fenwick in terms

519
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:30,119
of those underlying metrics. He actually
quite a bit outperformed Vale Melica. Frankly,

520
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,640
he's the reason the Coyotes don't have
a better draft pick. I think

521
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,400
it was a little bit of Villa
Melca, but Ingram coming in and doing

522
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,079
what he did and just playing so
well really pushed them back a little bit.

523
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,839
But again, great story for him. He's bounced around a little bit

524
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,880
and he's had some time in the
player Assistance program. It's just really great

525
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,119
to see him thrive in this role. And actually I was listening to Kevin

526
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Woodley, who does really good stuff
for Ingal mag and there, and Dmitri

527
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,559
was asking him about who he thinks
one of the best breakout like untapped goalies

528
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,680
in the league is and he said
it's Connor Ingram. So you really love

529
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,079
to hear all these things. And
like you said, one A, one

530
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,039
B, like he could get even
more starts, like sign me up.

531
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,239
I think we can expect from him. I love the contract, and he

532
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,840
said they believe in him. They
signed him, which is really especially in

533
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,679
a cap league like the Ingram If
he's gonna play like thirty ish thirty to

534
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,719
forty games at that cap hit doing
really good stuff. You love it.

535
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
So tell us more about Ingram another
and I know I'm biased, I know,

536
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,519
guys, but another just great story, right, And don't get me

537
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,079
wrong, a lot of teams had
their eyes on Ingram when he hit the

538
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:37,039
waiver wire last year and the Coyotes
took him. He stepped in. I

539
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:42,400
think, I feel so long ago. I think there was a game or

540
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,599
two almost learning curve, because you
come in he wasn't playing very much,

541
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,440
but man, he hit the ground
running and provided stability between the pipes so

542
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,199
that if Amelca could have a day
off for two or three or whatever it

543
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,719
would be. I love everything about
Ingram's game. Honestly, Tip of the

544
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,000
cap to our goaltending coach Corey Schwab
as well, who gets the most.

545
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,199
You see just how much time he
spends with both of these goalies and pros

546
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,199
vatoff as well, And tip of
the cap to cook Schwab. But Ingram's

547
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,440
a good story, another guy.
What I think his career marked three point

548
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,039
four goals against, but nine oh
five safe percentage. He's solid. You

549
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,400
know what you're getting back there,
especially when you're giving up a lot of

550
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,880
shots. And he really came in
between the pipes and provided some stability for

551
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,119
that team and some good peace of
mind for Vimelka as well. Yeah,

552
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,599
for sure. As we were stepping
as we were starting this recording, you

553
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:37,360
mentioned about proz vetov or yet signing, so actually that's not even noncap friendly

554
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,679
yet. It still shows him as
one more year at seven seventy five and

555
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,519
that was it. He signed one
year. Okay, so he pushed his

556
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,480
RFA back one year. But yeah, he's a really he was a pretty

557
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,519
highly tired prospect at one time.
I think he struggled and his NHL appearances

558
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,079
this year, but it's been really
intermittent spotty. I think it's been challenging

559
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,360
for him to break in. But
tell us what you think about him and

560
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,159
will he get any games in the
NHL this season or is it a more

561
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,239
pushing it down the line a little
bit. I think if there's knock on

562
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,639
Wood, but any injury to any
injury to the current tandem, he would

563
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,280
certainly be the first guy, especially
with his experience last year. He came

564
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,480
in late season call up. Coyotes
were rotating three goalies at the time,

565
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:21,840
and prosmatof went on a run that
nobody saw coming. He won his first

566
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,199
four games, I think it was
at least first three, maybe his first

567
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,679
four games, and played very well, got his first NHL win. That

568
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480
was exciting and we were happy for
him as well. So he's definitely going

569
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:36,199
to be when one of those guys
if you need a call up, if

570
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,320
somebody gets hurt or whatever, you're
gonna look at him first. But I

571
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:45,320
primarily look at him to help Tucson
make a good run. Tucson is going

572
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,920
to have a really good season,
a really good team this year, and

573
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,760
they could potentially make a little playoff
run. We'll see how that goes.

574
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,199
But I would not expect I could
be wrong, but I could. I

575
00:36:53,199 --> 00:37:00,199
would not expect Prosmatov to be a
regular in the lineup. Okay, some

576
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,880
great stuff, Pat on these Arizona
Coyotes. We appreciate all the insights you've

577
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,679
given us. Why did you tell
people how they can keep up with your

578
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,960
work? Oh? By all means
Twitter at P Brown Hockey, threads at

579
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,320
P Brown Hockey, and then of
course go to Arizona Coyotes dot com.

580
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,039
Check out the site. Even in
the off season. I'm trying to crank

581
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,800
out at least three new things a
week, three to five new things a

582
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
week, So Arizona Coyotes dot com
you can check it out. I've always

583
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,599
got good stuff. Always trying to
follow up with our prospects. And everything

584
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,559
else. Certainly catch up on everything
from the draft to free agency and go

585
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,320
from there. And fellas, I
appreciate the opportunity to come on again.

586
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,679
Always fun to talk some hockey,
like I said, and appreciate you having

587
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,320
me stay cool out there. Pat, Oh, yeah, we got.

588
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,519
I always say I can do a
lot more when it's one hundred and twenty

589
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,239
when I'm in my pool with Amergharita
than I ever could when I lived in

590
00:37:46,280 --> 00:38:00,360
Chicago and it was twenty below zero. So I'll take it nice. Good

591
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:10,239
fire passed off, quit grab.
Now it's your weekly goalie Talk with Cats

592
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:16,880
Silberman Cats Instincts. Time for our
Cats instincts on the Arizona Coyotes goalies.

593
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Will it be called the Arizona Coyotes
by the time we see them play again,

594
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,360
Probably, but it's all up in
the air. But we want to

595
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,960
get your takes on these guys.
The first guy we're want to talk about

596
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,719
Connor Ingram. He was a twenty
sixteen third round pick by Tampa six foot

597
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,519
two, twenty six years old and
finally got the chance to play in the

598
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,559
NHL this season, and he was
really good. Carrel Valmilka, who really

599
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,280
came out of nowhere to a lot
of us last year, and he struggled

600
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,880
maybe a little bit this year.
Ingram played twenty seven games to Lamica's fifty,

601
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,400
and Ingram in maybe roughly half the
games had four point four seven goals

602
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,840
save above expected even strength to Vilmilica's
one point seven seven, so you could

603
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,480
arguably say he was much better and
Ingram what I love about this story.

604
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,760
First of all, He's gone through
a lot personally, and I'd love to

605
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,960
see him succeed. But I think
the biggest thing is that people will always

606
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,079
say I don't have any interest in
this prospect because he plays for Tampa and

607
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,079
they have Vasilevski, so he's never
going to be relevant. Here's the classic

608
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,159
example of that is the wrong way
to think about it, because a good

609
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,280
goalie will find a way, he'll
find a way to move somewhere else succeed.

610
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,159
So I can't wait to hear what
you have to say about his game.

611
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,920
Looking at his hockey prospecting, he
actually looks a little bit like Billy

612
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,119
Husso, who came and established himself
as a maybe an up and down kind

613
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,480
of starter, but an NHL starter
nonetheless, And they just resigned Ingram to

614
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,559
one point nine five million times three
years, so that's a pretty decent bet

615
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,440
on him. They have obviously Valmilka
and who's making just a little bit more

616
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,800
at two point seven to five million, So both these guys very affordable and

617
00:39:55,159 --> 00:40:00,440
not so much lower than Valmilca that
he can't be a one B as opposed

618
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,880
to a backup. What are your
instincts, tell us, cat and what

619
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,239
kind of prospect is he? So
first starts, I have a massive soft

620
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,719
spot for Connor Ingram because I think
he's He's so fun and he has such

621
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,280
a fun, just winning personality.
And when he was with Tampa Bay,

622
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,719
they had some struggles with the Syracuse
Crunch. A lot of the HL guys

623
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,000
for whatever reason, I don't know
if it was a culture issue, if

624
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,039
it was a coaching issue, if
it was just having to live in Syracuse.

625
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:36,760
I don't know. A lot of
the prospects really underperformed expectations until they

626
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,719
moved to other teams. And what's
interesting is Ingram wasn't one of those.

627
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,280
Ingram was performing on the Syracuse Crunch
at a level where I assumed he was

628
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,239
ready for the NHL. I think
it was three or four years Ago,

629
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,840
and I kept waiting for them to
bring him up, and they just didn't,

630
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,360
and then they ended up essentially just
moving him to the ECHL halfway through

631
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,159
a season. He continued to perform
incredibly well down there, and then they

632
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:07,320
just shipped him out of their system
altogether. They moved him to Nashville.

633
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,719
We figured there was something going on
there. Nobody really pride too much,

634
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:16,480
which I appreciate because it's nobody's business. But when he reached Nashville, I

635
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,880
assumed, perfect, that's a team
that Pekarina is on his way out.

636
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:25,519
They have a decent prospect pool,
but I don't want to see them rushing

637
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,079
Aeroslavoscarov. It'd be nice to see
Connor Ingram come up and play at the

638
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,679
NHL level, and that didn't happen. He ended up actually going into the

639
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,320
player's recovery program for a little bit, and when he came out of that,

640
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,119
played in the HL, did incredibly
well statistically, and then moved out

641
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,880
of that system too. So he
ended up in the Arizona system, and

642
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,639
that seems to be where he finally
got his chance. I believe he'd just

643
00:41:52,840 --> 00:42:00,880
resigned with them for maybe two years, maybe just one. He deserves it.

644
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,440
He stayed patient, he didn't seem
like he was upset at starting in

645
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,760
the HL, didn't seem like he
was upset at not getting starts, and

646
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,840
when he did get starts, so
I think it was his first NHL start

647
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,880
with the team, he had just
a really good technique and really good form,

648
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,280
which he's always looked structurally really sound. I compared his game most closely

649
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,000
when watching him back in Tampa Bay
to like a Ben Bishop type player,

650
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:37,400
where he's physically a little bit more
sturdy than Under Basilevski, but has that

651
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,960
really nice, just structural solidity to
his game. And he still looked like

652
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,320
that. It looked like he hadn't
really missed a beat. His timing was

653
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960
a little off on some things,
but as the season went on with the

654
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,400
Coyotes, that's a team that I
feel like that's how you can really watch

655
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000
to see if a guy's going to
thrive, because a lot of times on

656
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:59,719
those rebuilding teams, the longer a
guy is at the NHL level, the

657
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,599
more we'll see the wheels start to
fall off, kind of like he saw

658
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,440
in Chicago with Colin Deli and Kevin
Lanknin and Malcolm suban, and you didn't

659
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,519
see that from Ingram. The longer
he played last year, the better his

660
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,679
numbers got, it seemed the once
he really got into a rhythm, and

661
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,079
once he got playing consistently and really
found his stride again after I think it

662
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,000
was two years since he'd last played
consistently. Once he hit that stride,

663
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,599
he looked like an NHL starter to
me, and so I think if they're

664
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,639
able to hold on to him for
the next couple of years, that's a

665
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,760
team that looked like last year based
on the effort level from their players.

666
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,039
They look like they're hoping to rebuild
and take that step forward. They look

667
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:44,239
like they weren't trying to intentionally be
bad. That's the kind of goaltender I

668
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,880
want to see on a team like
that, someone who, from a structural

669
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,119
standpoint, can hold onto things when
the rest of the when every other wheel

670
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:57,440
has fallen off the bus, he's
still just driving along there. But great,

671
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,119
they'll get him for three or four
years. But if he's only twenty

672
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,719
six, that's they could hold on
to him through the rest of their rebuild.

673
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,559
If they managed to take a step
forward this year, he could easily

674
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,480
be the cornerstone there for them.
So the next guy we're going to talk

675
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:16,199
about Ivan Prezvetov, who is twenty
eighteen fourth round pick, six foot five

676
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,360
now twenty four years old, and
he's been the main guy that we've all

677
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:28,119
been looking at in Arizona for a
while. But I think Ingram and Villemelka

678
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,880
passed him right. Everyone thought that
he was gonna be the next air Parents,

679
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,000
or at least some of us did. But he's still got a lot

680
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,440
of time. He's not that old, and he has played the last four

681
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:43,000
seasons primarily in the HL of Tucson, with a few NHL starts sprinkled in

682
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:46,760
here, and before Ingram arrived,
we thought that he was going to get

683
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,639
more time, and I think that
kind of got cut into a little bit.

684
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,440
What's really interesting is you look at
his hockey prospecting. It's been really

685
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,440
high equivalency all the way through until
last year work dipped a little bit,

686
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,280
but he's still pretty high for a
goalie. He's got some guys here like

687
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,039
Michael Hutchinson, Casey to Smith,
which aren't like the most exciting options,

688
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,760
but I thought that wondering if that's
more his trajectory now. So, Cat,

689
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:19,719
what are your instincts on Ivan PRIs
Vetov. I keep waiting for him

690
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,719
to just tighten his game up,
and I think that's where those wonky numbers

691
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,000
when it comes to just looking at
his future projections are coming from. He's

692
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,199
a really fun story too. The
Karates loved them a goalie with a fun

693
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,639
story. He is a He was
a childhood gymnast in Russia who was a

694
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:39,519
gymnast and also a goalie. He
actually had to be talked to by some

695
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,079
of his coaches because he kept doing
cart wheels on the ice when he'd win,

696
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,760
and they were like, we love
you, we think you're so fun.

697
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:50,400
You cannot get hurt doing cartwhels and
splits on the ice after you win

698
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,599
a game, because that defeats the
purpose. And I remember I was.

699
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,239
I actually got a chance to interview
him his first year in North America and

700
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,440
he sadly told me that he was
not allowed to do car wheels after wins

701
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,920
anymore, and I thought that was
cute and hilarious, but disindicative of his

702
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:14,480
personality. And that's how he plays
too. He has such good agility and

703
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:19,440
flexibility and he's not a huge guy
in the to borrow the Connor Ingram comparison,

704
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,960
like a Ben Bishop or Ingram.
He's not very sturdily built. He's

705
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,920
a little more willowy, but he's
super tall and lanky, and he really

706
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,920
has that pad reach, he has
the hands reach. He gets a little

707
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,239
too loose at times, like stylistically
the two guys that I watch who I

708
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,360
would compare him to the most,
or like a Laurent Brosois and Aiden Hill,

709
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,519
these guys that are all arms and
legs like they are all limbs,

710
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,000
and if they get a little too
panicked on the ice, those limbs go

711
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:54,079
everywhere and they open up a lot
of unnecessary holes that are easy for other

712
00:46:54,159 --> 00:47:00,480
players to exploit. And obviously Lauren
Brosois was able to tighten that up belief

713
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:04,639
when he was playing with Winnipeg.
He was working with he was working with

714
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,320
a goaltending consultant, Adam Francilia,
who had worked with Thomas Grayce and Dubnik

715
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,199
and just worked on biomechanics to tighten
his game up a little bit more.

716
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:19,239
And that's something that I'd love to
see if Ivan Prospitov can have someone do

717
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,679
that for him, because that's where
I see him stuttering to take that next

718
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,920
step forward in his game because from
a reads perspective, he reads the game

719
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,159
really well, he reacts well,
he shakes off bad goals. I would

720
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,079
argue better than Aiden Hill did during
his time in Arizona. But he just

721
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,719
sometimes you can tell when he's a
little too loose, which usually we tell

722
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,960
guys and you gotta loosen up more. With him, I'm like, oh,

723
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,119
you got to you got too loose, tighten it back up. So

724
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:51,199
I hate saying I think he's just
one step away, like one year away

725
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,760
from being pro ready. But that's
what he's looked like for me for the

726
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,199
last two or three years here,
where he's so close, and he might

727
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,519
end up being like Michael Hutchinson versus
a Casey to Smith, because Hutchinson was

728
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:06,159
one of the best tweeners right Like, he was a guy you could have

729
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,800
as your third goaltender in the system, great in the HL, capable of

730
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,840
being called up to the NHL without
being totally lit up by the other team,

731
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,079
but you don't want him up there
full time because he's exploitable versus a

732
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,679
Casey to Smith, who you call
him up and he can stay up full

733
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,320
time. But I think press Foot
is still young enough that we probably have

734
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,280
a year or two before we really
need to make that determination for sure.

735
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,400
All Right, that's good to know, and but yeah, it seems like

736
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,280
getting a little impatient with his progression. The last guy we're going to talk

737
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:45,239
about here in Arizona is Matthew Vilalta
six foot seven, twenty seventeen third round

738
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,880
pick by the Kings, who decided
not to sign him to another contract and

739
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,199
they and then let him go in
the Coyotes signed him. His equivalency,

740
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,360
he has been extremely flat. He
was an OHL guy, came to the

741
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,119
HL, He's had some kind of
average success there, but just seems like

742
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:07,760
he maybe didn't really progress too much
and his comps are mostly average guys.

743
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,840
A couple of decent starters, but
at best it seems like average. It

744
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,639
was Volalta is someone that we should
have interested. It seems like the Kings

745
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,639
did, and what dor instincts tell
you, Ken, I think he's worth

746
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,199
keeping an eye on. The Coyotes. During the draft this year, they

747
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,239
went and drafted three guys, which
I think signifies that they knew that they

748
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,119
needed to replenish their prospect pool pretty
substantially, and obviously they one of those

749
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:37,360
guys that they drafted I think was
thirty fifth or thirty sixth overall. But

750
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,320
obviously that guy's not going to be
ready this year. He's a player who's

751
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,239
playing in Russia. I believe he's
playing for EUROS level right now, so

752
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,719
he's not going to be in North
America. So they needed someone at the

753
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,159
HL level to flush out that that
prospect pool there, and I think Volalta's

754
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,880
as good as anyone to put in
that role. I think he he looked

755
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,599
he was one of the better options
in their system, but the King's system

756
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,000
just sputtered out after a little while. I think a couple other guys got

757
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:15,679
trapped in the depth chart a little
too much by Jonathan Quicks to respectfully putting

758
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,320
it overstaying his welcome by a couple
of years. They ended up with that

759
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,719
weird backlog where almost they didn't get
enough starts for Jack Campbell, and then

760
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,119
Cal Peterson wasn't able to come up
soon enough and his development started to stutter,

761
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:34,599
and then Villalta's developments started to stutter, and you just saw this chain

762
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:37,840
reaction there. I don't know.
I think the Coyotes do a good job

763
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,320
of reclamation projects with goaliees Connor and
Grim's doing a great job. Devin Dumnick

764
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
was a reclamation project for them.
Auntie Ronto was a pickup for them,

765
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:53,199
so we could see a big turnaround
there. They tend to prioritize goalie development,

766
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,719
but at the moment, I'm not. I didn't see that one and

767
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,559
immediately go, oh, look out, here come the Coyotes. So we'll

768
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:06,280
see if that's one to for sure, wait and see on Yeah, definitely

769
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,719
wait and see. Thanksgiving us your
instincts on the Arizona Coyote goalies, of

770
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:34,440
course, we'll be back right after
this dynasty dig the Arizona Coyotes. We're

771
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,079
digging into them right now at Fantasy
Hockey Life. We have the Arizona system

772
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:44,519
ranked twenty fourth. The Coyotes pulled
in lots of extra picks in last year's

773
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,199
draft in this year's draft, but
no one really seems to have loved what

774
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,760
they have done with them. You've
heard a lot about Dmitri simashev on this

775
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,639
show and maybe a little optimism there
and Daniel boot So we won't relitigate all

776
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,039
those today. We've got some of
the other non draft prospects to talk about.

777
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:07,199
And it starts Victor with your no
brainer. Who is it? Yeah,

778
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,519
the no brainer for the Arizona Coyotes
is definitely one of the best prospects

779
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,960
out there had a monster season and
that is, of course Logan Cooley.

780
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:21,960
Logan Cooley, who was picked third
overall last season. That was a pretty

781
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,159
interesting draft. And this is why
you can't necessarily form too strong opinions at

782
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:29,519
the time because last year, remember
it was a little unclear who would go

783
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,119
number one, and at the time
people laughed at Arizona for passing on Shane

784
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,800
Ryant. The first two teams did, but I think they knew what they

785
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,679
were doing and there were not too
many people that had Logan Coolly number one.

786
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,360
But I definitely have to give a
shout out to Chris Peters, who

787
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,400
was one of the few, I
think the only public scout and the most

788
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,320
vocal about the fact that he thought
Logan Cooley had the most skill in the

789
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,039
draft class. And that takes looking
pretty good right now. I think in

790
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,920
a way too early redraft league,
Logan Cooley goes number one, We'll have

791
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,519
to see how that continues to pan
out. But he had a monster season

792
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,599
in the NC DOUBLEA. You just
don't see this kind of offensive explosion.

793
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,559
Remember, he was at the USNTDP
last year the previous year, which was

794
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,360
a good NTDP crop. It wasn't
amazing, but he had seventy five points

795
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,239
in fifty one games for the NTDP, and he was good at the UA

796
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,880
Teens and the U twenty that year. But then this past season at the

797
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,320
ncuble A he had sixty points in
thirty nine games. It was incredible for

798
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,400
the Minnesota Golden Gophers. Along with
fourteen points in seven World Junior games,

799
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,559
and he was clearly a dominant player
at that tournament for the Americans. He

800
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,719
was a Hobie Baker finalist. The
list goes on and on. He was

801
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,760
incredible if you look at all of
his accolades. He had World Junior All

802
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,039
Star Teams, First Team All American, and then the NC Double A obviously

803
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:55,440
the Hobie Baker's Finalist, all that
stuff. So great season and he's committed

804
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,199
to go back to the NC Double
A. I think part of that is

805
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,800
probably because the Arizona rink situation and
all that. He was making that decision

806
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,639
when that was happening. But never
a bad idea to overcook a little bit.

807
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:12,039
In college. So that's Logan Coolie. If you look at Mitch Brown's

808
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:15,719
tracking data, it's pretty interesting.
I think of Logan COOLi as a pretty

809
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,880
defensively responsible, good two way center. His defensive corsie in that model looks

810
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,039
terrible, actually, which is very
surprising. When you watch him play,

811
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:27,559
you don't get that sense. You
don't get the sense that he's just cheating

812
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,920
for offense and not good at driving
play, So that's a bit surprising.

813
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Most of his offensive metrics are really
great, including his expected goals against primary

814
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,400
sists against, and his transition game
is really solid. So overall, Logan

815
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,400
Coolie rates out at a ninety third
percentile offense at ninety four, transition at

816
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,559
ninety three, in defense at just
thirty six percent tile. Again, it

817
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,199
seems strange to me, but let's
hear what our scout has to say,

818
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Jesse, our scout, indeed,
Jacob I will sum it up that he's

819
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,320
got a very optim mystic take or
a very positive take. I shouldn't say

820
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:07,599
optimistic because that suggests he's gone too
far. Here are the attributes he sees

821
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,440
for skating great good straight line speed, explosive strides, quick cuts, and

822
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:16,679
edges. Puck handling excellent, super
creative with the puck speeds puck skills.

823
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:21,480
He can maneuver his way around defenders
with ease. The shot is great.

824
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,239
He loves to display his craftiness.
Scored a ton of his goals this season

825
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:29,760
by going to high danger areas of
the net. Can beat goaltenders by making

826
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,960
incredible moves with the puck to get
them out of position. Panic meter is

827
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,079
low. Being pressured by four checkers, he nearly always tries to find ways

828
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:42,880
to slip through and find open lanes. Defense is good for a highly skilled

829
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,599
forward. He's good in his own
zone. He isn't afraid to jump into

830
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:51,519
board battles and apply pressure on the
puck carrier. Best asset puck skills.

831
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:54,480
The combination of his intelligence and the
way he moves the puck makes him an

832
00:55:54,519 --> 00:56:00,000
extremely dangerous offensive player and biggest concern. The only thing that Jacob saw is

833
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,760
he does have a tendency to do
too much with the puck sometimes. However,

834
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,639
Jacob doesn't think this will be too
much of an issue at the NHL

835
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,599
level as his skill continues to improve. The top tier potential for this guy

836
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:19,440
Elite first line center eighty to one
hundred points most likely tier first line center.

837
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,880
That's not a bad person. That's
not a bad most likely right there.

838
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:27,039
Now. The Coyotes don't have the
greatest track history for developing that elite

839
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,960
level talent, but he should be
a very good player. Another Clayton Keller

840
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,840
type, at least stylistic comparable.
Trevor Zegress, another crafty with the puck

841
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,119
guy and the summary he's a dynamic
offensive forward with flashy puck skills, great

842
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:45,960
speed, dangerous goal scoring touch and
works hard. NHL ranking. Our buddy

843
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,960
Mason Black puts the stuff out on
Twitter to do some comparisons. In this

844
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:54,519
time it was Logan Cooley versus Cole
Proffetti mom Spaghetti, and we're taking a

845
00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,599
look at how they compare. The
people greatly prefer Logan Cooley eighty four sixteen

846
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:04,800
percent. That's pretty striking. If
you look at the p NHL lead that

847
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,559
Mason comes up with, he comes
up to a superstar potential and the comparison

848
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:15,719
similarity scores. Ryan Nugent Hopkins is
the number one and then Brian little Clayton

849
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Keller. I don't know Clayton Keller
just because of the uniform. I won't

850
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,880
accuse his model of that, but
that's an interesting coincidence. So he's moving

851
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,079
up and up twenty two, twenty
three, up to a superstar level potential.

852
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:34,639
So Victor, would you rather have
Logan Cooley or Cole Parfetti. I

853
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,199
definitely would take Logan Cooley at this
point, but that's no slander Uncle Proffetti

854
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,920
because I think he's still a really
strong prospect, even though his equivalenc he

855
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,400
looks a little low because he's in
the NHL. Winnipeg was a little bit

856
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:52,280
messy this past year. They seems
like they're going to be even more uncertain

857
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,800
this upcoming year. But I still
think Proffetti has a pretty strong upside.

858
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,480
I still think he has seven to
eighty point upside and he's a center.

859
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:04,559
The center take longer to round out
their game. But what Coolly did in

860
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,440
this past season and his equivalency,
the way he just helped it shoot up,

861
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,320
he does look like a superstar.
He does look like that point per

862
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,000
game center, even more so at
this stage than Perffetti did. So at

863
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:21,000
this point, I would definitely take
Coolly, even though both are really good

864
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,119
options, and if you look at
it, their hockey prospecting coolly shot up

865
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,800
from fifty four to eighty five percent
chance of being a star. You almost

866
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,079
never see this, and we just
the previous episode talked to Byron Vader about

867
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,320
draft stuff, and you almost never
see this kind of rise in a DP

868
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,320
plus one. It's worth noting just
how incredible that is to be able to

869
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,599
boost your equivalency by almost thirty star
potential points in one year. So that's

870
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:52,880
fantastic. He's virtually a lock to
be an Nahller. And Perfetti he started

871
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,960
at sixty eight percent chance of being
a star in the Hobby Prospecting model and

872
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,280
then went down every year until this
past year thirty four percent, which is

873
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,239
still a good is still a good
percent. So it usually comes down to

874
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,480
what happened to Perfetti. You're trying
to not let it fall so much year

875
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:14,000
by year instead of boosting at thirty
percent or thirty points. So yeah,

876
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:15,519
both are good, but when you
look at them, it's pretty clear who

877
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:21,360
has a better trajectory. If you
look at Logan Cooli's just regular comps.

878
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,960
He has a bunch of really fantastic
ones like Jeff Skinner, Ryan and Hopkins,

879
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,599
Nathan McKinnon, and I think the
one he looks the most like is

880
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:35,480
Steve Eiserman, which is crazy because
all these guys I'm talking about are incredible

881
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:37,920
and it would be amazing if he
worked out like any one of them.

882
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,760
So yeah, that's important to reminder
to remember. And also I didn't realize

883
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,119
this until I'm looking at it right
now, but Steve Eiserman undersized five eleven,

884
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,400
not the biggest dude, but he
played huge, and I think you

885
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,039
could say the same thing so far
about Logan Cooley. He doesn't seem bothered

886
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,800
by high pressure situations. He kind
of delivers and it seems to matter,

887
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,960
and he's got that tenacity in him
too, So I'm not saying it's going

888
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,000
to be a Hall of Famer like
Eiserman, but Logan Coolly looking great.

889
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,639
And also in the Top Down Hockey
Model, forty four percent chance of being

890
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,400
a star, and this model tends
to be a little bit more pessimistic,

891
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,719
I would say in general, So
that's pretty fantastic. Ninety six percent chance

892
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,480
of being an nhlor. All the
models kind of align and degree that Logan

893
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:28,400
Coolie looks like it's going to be
a star. Jesse and by the way,

894
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,480
Cooley in Chinese means hard labor or
somebody who does hard labor. Coolie

895
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:37,440
is not afraid to do the work. Victor. We got to move on

896
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,880
the need to know prospect. Who
is it? I love that you're bringing

897
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,199
us this Eastern culture knowledge, Jesse. That's the kind of stuff people appreciate

898
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:51,840
about this. That's my strongest insight
on Logan Coolie is that his name means

899
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,639
that in Chinese he will work hard. I seriously doubt anyone else in the

900
01:00:55,639 --> 01:01:01,400
world could make that analogy. So
good job, all right, So they

901
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:07,679
need to know. Artem Dud a
twenty twenty two second round pick by the

902
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:12,519
Arizona Coyotes that was thirty six overall, pretty early six foot one hundred and

903
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:17,199
eighty seven pound left handed d He
didn't play very much this past season,

904
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:22,320
which was difficult. Limited in just
thirty one games. He split mostly time

905
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,519
between the KHL and MHL, nearly
a point per game in the MHL,

906
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:29,400
though just three assists in the KHL, although he was playing only like ten

907
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,559
minutes a night, so that was
hard. He's a bit of a late

908
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:36,519
birthday April, so he played his
whole draft season as an eighteen. As

909
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,960
a young seventeen year old in his
D plus one season as an eighteen year

910
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,119
old, so he's got a lot
of room for improvement in terms of growth.

911
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,559
Really interesting in that something happened at
the end of the season where he

912
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,920
was able to terminate his contract and
I guess the NC Double A qualified him

913
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,320
as not a professional, so he
was able to sign in the NC Double

914
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,039
A and he's going to be in
the North America and playing at the University

915
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:05,159
of Maine, which is really great
for being able to potentially get him in

916
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:09,199
your fantasy line up a little bit
earlier. So that's interesting. I don't

917
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:13,280
know about you, Jesse, but
whenever I read Ardham Duda's name, I

918
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:21,159
have to say his last name twice
because I hear this song dude came down

919
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:29,119
to ye. So now you're all
going to have it in your head and

920
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:32,840
whenever you say his name, you
have to say Duda. But let's do

921
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,119
hear what the scouts have to Our
scout has to say about him, Jesse.

922
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:40,400
Our scout on this case was Brandon, and Brandon said the skating he

923
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,559
utilizes edgework to create novel options for
himself, potential playmaking at lower speeds.

924
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:51,440
He pivots on the spot, almost
like a tabletop hockey player, shows glimpses

925
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,000
of mobility and shiftiness when carrying the
puck on his breakout shades of Taylor Hall

926
01:02:55,239 --> 01:03:00,039
from a visual skating perspective, but
not in dynamics and effectiveness for puck handling.

927
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,440
Soft hands allow for receiving passes in
a fluid way that he uses to

928
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:12,079
transfer the energy into another pass or
shot. He demonstrates decent deacon ability allows

929
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,199
him to find some more open ice
when playing with poison confidence. He gets

930
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:20,360
passes off quickly and cleanly. In
the shot. He's got two main tools,

931
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,760
a risk shot with a long drag
prior to the release and one timer

932
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,320
shots come off his tick fast and
are well placed to deceive the goaltender's eyes.

933
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,840
SHOT's not heavy though IQ. There's
a definite lack of passion, engagement

934
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,559
or IQ that leads him on the
periphery of the play and prevents him from

935
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:42,320
being a player that pushes the tide. OH a real creativity and vision that

936
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,880
is obscured by that lack. And
in defense without the puck, he plays

937
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,440
like a stay at home demand without
the usual physicality that would come with that

938
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:57,039
style. It. Maybe Brandon speculates
that this could be something that his coach

939
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,719
is asking him to do, or
it could be part of his name game.

940
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:03,400
Hard to tell. His best asset
is pucked control and his biggest concern

941
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:08,719
is the skating and again to drive
top tier potential. What would make him

942
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,159
hit the very highest of his outcomes. At the very highest, He's probably

943
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:15,679
a number three or four D with
some powerplay deployment in thirty to forty points

944
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:21,000
obvious. I'dath row pucks on Nick
and his most likely tier what he thinks

945
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,880
he will settle in as if he
makes it to the NHL, will be

946
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,960
a depth defenseman or a quad a
player that would be too bad if he

947
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:33,480
didn't really stick in the NHL.
But his stylistic comparable, he's going with

948
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:39,639
Tory Krug with the sprint style but
not the speed of Taylor Hall. And

949
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,960
moving on to the Rank King comparison. The pull that went out on Twitter

950
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,400
are Buddy Mason Black finding a comp
for him, and the comparison is going

951
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:54,239
to be to Shie William and that
is going to be William went to the

952
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,880
University of Denver last year, so
both are going to end up with some

953
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:00,920
NHL time and Dudoc came out ahead
of William fifty nine to forty one percent,

954
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,000
with a slightly lower tality of votes. I think less people were is

955
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,599
fired up about this one, and
right now Duda is a little bit lower

956
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:15,119
down. He's tracking, is having
second line potential in his first year of

957
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,480
measurement. In his top matches.
He's got some Nate Schmidt's of John Moore

958
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:23,960
on there. That's some good stuff. Schmidt peaked early and I don't know,

959
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:28,199
hasn't really done everything that I think
we would have hoped. But Da,

960
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,840
that's where he's at. Victor,
what do you think? I definitely

961
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,440
agree with this. I Shay buoy
him is interesting. He's a Red Wings

962
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,800
prospects so I've watched him a bit
and I think he's really good mobile defenseman.

963
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,840
He's got He's got the size and
the mobility, but I don't know

964
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,960
that he has the offense. I
guess people could say that about Duda,

965
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:54,760
but I do see more offense there
with Duda. He obviously has a lot

966
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,719
longer to develop. He's got a
year behind Billiam in terms of development.

967
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,039
But I think playing and he didn't
play a ton professionally, but he's already

968
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:09,280
played some professional and I think there's
a pretty good upside there, so I

969
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,039
do Dud a little bit better.
I think it's fun that he's going to

970
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:14,760
be in the nc DOUBLEA and we'll
get to see a little bit more.

971
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,159
But I personally, I don't know
that this would be as close for me.

972
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:23,280
I would take a little bit easier, and looking at the hockey prospecting,

973
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:30,239
I know that Byron used his MHL
data to create his equivalency because it's

974
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,480
up at fifty nine percent after his
draft season, and that's pretty fantastic.

975
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:38,960
But as I mentioned, his KHL
time wasn't that strong. So we'll be

976
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,480
interesting to see what happens in the
NCAA. He's one whose equivalence he could

977
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,480
see saw up and down quite a
bit. It could look very interesting.

978
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,079
But right now he looks miles ahead
of Shibuyam, who started an eight percent

979
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:54,079
chance of being a star and trended
down to two percent, And right now

980
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,679
it just looks like a thirty nine
percent chance of being in a NHL or,

981
01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,679
whereas Duda is up to eighty four. So it's no question looking at

982
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,280
Artem Duda, he has some really
interesting comps he's got some guys like him

983
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:12,679
Alou, he's got Brian McCabe,
s some Kevin Mitchell. But in terms

984
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:16,000
of what his statistical profile looks like
in terms of the hockey prospecting numbers,

985
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:21,320
it looks exactly like Al mckinnis,
which of course would be amazing because he

986
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,599
was a superstar producer and not saying
that's going to happen, but that's just

987
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:29,280
the numbers actually correlate exactly to that
right now, that would be fantastic but

988
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:34,639
unlikely outcome. Maybe if he's closer
to that McCabe that would also be obviously

989
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880
very good. The top down hockey
model, i should say, is pretty

990
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,480
pessimistic on Duda. They have him
at in terms of his star potential sixty

991
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,719
oh sorry, seven percent chance of
being a star, but sixty eight percent

992
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,000
chance of being an NHLer. So
they see him as a pretty likely to

993
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:53,400
play in the league, but not
really to be a star or a huge

994
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,639
point producer, which is fair.
I think we need to see more from

995
01:07:56,719 --> 01:08:00,000
him to really know that in terms
of in another league other than the MA.

996
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,440
But that's dude, h Jesse,
Oh my gosh, the dad jokes

997
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:09,639
never end. Victor we've got one
more to talk about, and boy the

998
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,519
Mighty have fallen a little bit.
But who's your keep on, keep your

999
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:16,960
eye on prospect? That would be
Dylan Gunther. Keep your eye on mainly

1000
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,960
because he's close to the NHL,
not because he's bad or anything. But

1001
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,079
the twenty twenty one ninth overall pick
played thirty three games for the Coyotes this

1002
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:30,399
season, had fifteen points, close
to half point per game. Isn't so

1003
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,640
bad for a rookie and an offensively
challenged system, so it was pretty good

1004
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:41,560
for Gunther. He got loaned back
to the Seattle Thunderbirds for after that,

1005
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,760
and we've talked so many times about
how the Thunderbirds this season, we're just

1006
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,479
an absolute unit. And they steamrolled
the WHL and then got upset in the

1007
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,079
Memorial Cup, but they did great
Gunther. I mean, you would expect

1008
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,359
him to dominate at the WHL level, and he did. He was He

1009
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,239
had twenty nine points in twenty games
for the Thunderbirds when he went back,

1010
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,239
and then twenty eight and nineteen playoff
games, although I don't think he scored

1011
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:12,199
in the Memorial Cup if I remember
correctly. Certainly wasn't a dominant force there.

1012
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:15,399
It was a bit frustrating for him
and the Thunderbirds, I'm sure,

1013
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,720
but he also played in the U
twenty World Junior Championships, had ten points

1014
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:25,239
in seven games. They're helping Canada
win, So there was some pretty good

1015
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:29,000
parts of his season for sure.
I'm sure he was really hoping to just

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stick in the NHL all season,
but he didn't. Playing thirty three games

1017
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,760
is weird because it's almost like,
at this point, you've blown this year

1018
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,199
of eligibility. Why not just keep
him up the whole time? But they

1019
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:44,600
did not. Looking at Mitch Brown's
tracking data, his offense is just absurd,

1020
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,159
which you would expect for a twenty
year old, highly drafted player in

1021
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:53,800
the WHL. His expected goals for
sixty or nearly three standard deviations above the

1022
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,279
mean. He was just incredible.
And his primary assists. He's mainly thought

1023
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,720
of as a sniper and he's got
a great shop. But I think one

1024
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,119
of the most impressive things to me
about Gunther this year and his WHL sample

1025
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:09,760
sizes, his expected primary assists are
basically even with his expected goals, which

1026
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,359
is incredible. I mean, he's
really improving his passing plays. He's also

1027
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,479
attempting more dangerous passes like to the
slot, so that's really good. His

1028
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,159
transition data has improved a little bit. He's still not the fleetest of foot

1029
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:25,840
and the best transition player, but
it's improved a lot. So overall,

1030
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,600
yeah, you would expect him to
be great. His defense actually rates out

1031
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,279
at ninety five percentile, which I'm
surprised at. His offense is one hundred

1032
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:36,239
percentile, and so overall he's got
a ninety eight score. So yeah,

1033
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:41,119
in the WHL, Dylan Gunther good, not a huge surprise. Tell us

1034
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:45,520
what our FHL scout had to say
about Dylan Gunther Jesse. Our FHL scout

1035
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,760
on this case was Jeremy. Jeremy
I believe was the guy who looked at

1036
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:55,840
Gunther last year because he's been viewing
him for a while anyway. Skating Elite

1037
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,000
for Gunther looks like one of the
fastest guys on the ice. Puck handling

1038
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:04,479
above average, good distribution on the
powerplay, nice crisp one touch passes,

1039
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:09,159
the shot above average. Before Jeremy
said he had a high end shot,

1040
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:14,199
although this game that he's watching now
didn't showcase it as much. IQ vision,

1041
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:18,239
really good defensive awareness, improving defense
is still average, and that is

1042
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:23,279
the thing that Jeremy sees is potentially
holding him back. He still likes to

1043
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:26,479
reach with his stick instead of moving
to his feet a little late on the

1044
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,640
uptake when possession changes. So overall, the biggest asset skating and where could

1045
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,880
he land if he hit his top
end outcome tier one. Gunther has potential

1046
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,359
to hit Tier one on points it
shots alone. That's a point per game

1047
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,479
type guy. With the right system
in linemates, he could be top twenty

1048
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,640
five or so point scorer in the
league. Any amount of hits or black

1049
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,439
breakout would increase his chance of hitting
this tier. Because of course, if

1050
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,079
you have high hits and blocks,
would consider you tier one for fantasy hockey

1051
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:59,399
life tiering purposes most likely tier two. That's a seventy to seventy five point

1052
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:02,720
player with high shots, but not
a ton of hits and blocks. Stylistic

1053
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:08,399
comparable shot and power play prowess remind
Jeremy of Alex to brink It. But

1054
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,199
Gunther is a little bigger and a
little less tenacious. So let's look at

1055
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:16,920
the NHL rank King comparison. Mason
Black Gibs, Dylan Gunther versus your eye

1056
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,640
Slavkovsky point, I feel like I
haven't talked about your eyes. Slavkovsky much

1057
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:28,479
the poor number one overall pick,
and he did a poll out on Twitter,

1058
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,600
and my goodness, Dylan Gunther beat
Slavkovsky fifty eight to forty one,

1059
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:39,880
and Gunther nonetheless is trending down in
how he rates out. In his draft

1060
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,439
year, he was just insane,
just way up on the board in terms

1061
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,520
of having almost superstar potential in Mason's
model, and then down to first line

1062
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,720
potential. Now he's a little between
first line but probably closer to second line

1063
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:57,840
potential according to Mason's projections based on
last year. That's always tough first year

1064
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,319
transition into the NHL, trying to
train slate those stats and what he's going

1065
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:03,960
to do in the future. So
Victor, what do you think, Slavkovsky

1066
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:11,119
or gunther Man? This is really
tough because, as you said, Softkowsky

1067
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:15,800
obviously had a really tough year.
We talked with Ryan Sporr about that on

1068
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,399
our Montreal Canadians episode, and we
talked about how the Canadians maybe mismanaged him

1069
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:24,119
a little bit and left him in
the NHL too long. But at the

1070
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:28,239
very end. These are two very
different players that Gunther is all offense,

1071
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:31,119
although we've learned how he's a little
bit better defensively. But he's a high

1072
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:35,279
he's a sniper, he's a skill
player. In Solfkowsky is a little bit

1073
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:38,640
different. He's a little bit more
of a banger. He likes to hit

1074
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,119
people, likes to be physical.
So you're getting a different type of player

1075
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,920
there. If you're just looking for
goals, I think you take Gunther all

1076
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,359
day. If you're looking for maybe
some more peripheral coverage, I think you

1077
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:53,079
take you, or at least you
think about taking Slavkovsky. I don't know.

1078
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,359
I still think I would probably take
Gunther here. I like his offensive

1079
01:13:57,359 --> 01:14:00,760
potential. It seems like Arizona is
getting better. Of course, it seems

1080
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,920
like we've said that for a decade
or two, but it's close. I'm

1081
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,800
tempted. I have Slfkowsky in a
couple of leagues where I had some top

1082
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,239
picks last year, and I really
thought that he could round out the scoring

1083
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:17,359
and be that physical presence and be
a unique type of player. And I

1084
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:21,239
still think he can get there because
he's a big guy and it takes sometimes

1085
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,079
big guys a little longer. So
I think what he did this year should

1086
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:29,520
not really sway anyone's opinion one way
or the other. So I think if

1087
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:36,119
you're thinking more category coverage, it's
reasonable to take Slavkovsky, But in general,

1088
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,760
I think i'd take Gunther. Do
you think about that, Jesse?

1089
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,439
I think these are two guys who
presumably you could buy low on right now.

1090
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:49,640
There's a halo effect. If you
drafted a guy first overall last year

1091
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:54,800
in the draft, you probably don't
want to sell him low at this point.

1092
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:58,279
But let's put it this way,
if you're selling him, you're probably

1093
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:01,079
not going to get value out of
your Slavkovsky right now, and probably not

1094
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:06,880
Dylan Gunther either. But these are
guys who perhaps certainly are at lower value

1095
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,479
than they were before for fantasy purposes, both of them. I still I

1096
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,840
don't know Slavkovsky. I think with
the higher pedigree I'm still going to count

1097
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,600
on is ultimately working out better.
But I am not pessimistic necessarily un Gunther

1098
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,920
either. What do you think,
Victor? What else do people need to

1099
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,239
know? Yeah, it's interesting when
you look at these in the hockey prospecting

1100
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:31,640
model, because there's no question.
Like Dylan, Gunther has the more upside.

1101
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,159
He started the model at seventy percent
started a chance of being a star.

1102
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:41,079
He's down to forty two, but
that's still nearly triple what Slavkovski started

1103
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:44,439
with, which was fifteen percent,
and he's down to six now. So

1104
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:50,760
it's very clearly Gunther in terms of
star potential here, although Slavkovsky has a

1105
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:58,159
much higher NHL OR probability already.
But yeah, Gunther has some other pretty

1106
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:02,520
good comps too. I would say
he's got guys like Alex Turcott and Elias

1107
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,880
Lindholm is a guy I think he
looks a lot like in the model,

1108
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:11,079
and so that's a pretty great comp
He also looks a lot like Keith Primo,

1109
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:15,880
who turned out pretty well. So
there's a lot of really good comparables

1110
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,840
there for Gunther, and I think
he has a bright future, especially as

1111
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:23,319
a goal scorer. So we'll see. The Top ten Hockey model has him

1112
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,520
currently at twenty eight percent chance of
being a star, so that's also obviously

1113
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,319
still pretty good and ninety five percent
chance of being an NHL or still and

1114
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:33,720
Gunther good at hockey. We knew
this, and Jesse, there's there's more

1115
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:38,199
guys in Arizona that we could talk
about, but there's not too much time

1116
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,680
here. If you're a patron,
you can listen to the top ten lists

1117
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,279
recap that I do per team,
and we're going to start that up again.

1118
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:46,600
I took a little break while we
were doing NHL Draft content, but

1119
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,199
you'll get to hear that. And
if you're interested in doing some scouting,

1120
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,840
shoot me a DM on Twitter,
discord, or send us an email.

1121
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,439
Very good. We'll come right back
after this, pull us out the show.

1122
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,920
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season end. There is an app
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could do a nice chat feature with
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some leagues. Fantracks hq has other
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hockey, all the other fantasy sports. The hockey's just kind of kicking in

1136
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for the year, but I know
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1137
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podcasts, including the Prospect Pod and
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1138
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the house, the Fly Fantasy Football
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play to Win, so you can
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1141
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,479
to thank our producer Nate Duffett,
who's been helping out with the show prep

1142
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,880
this. I think this is like
fifty one pages the show prep sheet,

1143
01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:39,439
and you know that's you know it's
it's not a novel. There are lots

1144
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:44,239
of pretty pictures, is the thing, and some of the last year's information,

1145
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:45,880
but fifty one pages. It's a
lot, and Nate does a ton

1146
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,439
to help us. Ratio by Dabber
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1147
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:56,920
editor followers work there as well as
this other podcast, Dabber Prospects Report with

1148
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:02,119
Peter Harling. They do great talk
about hockey prospects. I do another solo

1149
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:06,119
show. It's called Dynasty Sports Life. I talk for different dynasty sports there.

1150
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:12,439
I do episodes on dynasty baseball,
football, and basketball, and sometimes

1151
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,079
I get into cross sport talk.
How do the different dynasty sports have things

1152
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:19,399
in common? How do you play
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1153
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:25,520
wonderful topics and I groove on it. Follow Victor and myself on Twitter at

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1155
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:35,079
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