You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
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Kristin Dilley. My name is Kristin Dilley. I'm a writer, a researcher,
a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social media
manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner in
crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Dilley and
I'm Bill Thomas. And it's the long awaited episode that everyone has been asking
for. We are finally digging into the Go Go Beach or the Long Island
serial killing case. It's a discussion even whether we should call it gil Go
Beach or Lisk exactly. I've been calling it Lisk, but I know that
the news media has been calling it gil Go Beach. We're talking about the
same thing. We all know that, and we do want to thank everybody
who reached out and was like, are you guys doing an episode? Are
you? We are, of course, and we wanted to make sure that
we had all of our reporting in order because this is such a very complex
and complicated case. Even though we're not as immediately jump onto it as a
lot of other podcasts were, it's because we wanted to take the time and
make sure that we were doing all of our reporting exactly right. So we
hope that you enjoyed this episode. Thank you for your patience. So what's
going on with the Gilgo Beach Killer? Gosh, it's been actually a pretty
crazy ripper and ride here, and it feels like he can't turn on the
news anywhere without hearing a little something about it. When we're recording this.
It is July the twenty ninth, and he was arrested on the thirteenth,
I believe, is that right. He's arrested on a Thursday evening in Manhattan,
and then they made the announcement of the arrest the following day, which
would have been Friday, July fourteen, So this is about two weeks ago
now, only that recently. Huh, it feels like we've been this case
has been dominating the news cycle for many days now. It felt a little
bit longer than that. What we wanted to do today is we wanted to
get a little bit into the background on the case for anybody who is not
aware of it. And then we wanted to get into the probable cause affidavit,
which I think is very interesting and it's some really good police work on
the part of all of the different investigative bodies who were working here. Bill,
I know that this case is a particular interest to you, and it
was long before there was an arrest here. So for anybody who is not
aware, can you give us some background information on the Long Island serial killer
lisc aka the go Go Beach Killer. The case stretches back to at least
twenty ten with the retrieval of four bodies alongside the Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach.
This is on Long Island. When you look at a map, you
have to study the fact that Long Island, which is very large, is
also a barrier island, and there are stretches of road like this area near
Gilgo Beach that are part of the Barrier Island and are pretty stretched out and
not necessarily places where people would go. You're mostly driving along this very pretty
stretch of road with the ocean on one side and the bay on the other
side. Lots of very low scrubby brush, so there aren't any homes there
described as desolate. I don't necessarily think that's one hundred percent accurate. It's
pretty quiet and maybe even a little spooky in the middle of the night.
During the day and especially on weekends, there's a fair amount of traffic back
and forth long this pretty stretch of road next to the ocean. Most people
are going to and from places like Jones Beach, Oak Beach. There's lots
of popular beaches, big concert venue, country clubs. There's a lot of
affluent homes. A little further along this particular stretch is if it's actually state
property or not, but it's undeveloped, and at night in particular, it's
really very quiet. It reminds me a lot of the Outer Banks, which
are also Barrier Islands, and so on the one side you put the Atlantic
Ocean and on the other you have the album are all sound and so what
you're describing is very much bringing to mind the same sort of community that you
have in the outer banks of North Carolina. So yeah, this is very
interesting. The case. It begins in two ten with the retrieval of four
bodies on this stretch of the Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach. Over time and
with additional searching by law enforcement, a total of eleven bodies have been found
that include nine women, a man who was dressed in women's clothing at the
time of his death, and a child who was then later linked to one
of the women that was killed. So this would have been like a toddler
two to three years old. Although twenty ten is mentioned as the day that
the case began, that's when the first body is discovered, and then bodies
are discovered in fairly short order using cadaver dogs along that stretch of road,
but they think that the murder stretched back, probably into the nineteen nineties.
There's lots of strange and gristly connections to these ultimately eleven victims who were found
in that body parts are found scattered all over the area, some places as
far as forty miles away, and so at different times and in separate years,
remains are found and then only later linked through DNA testing. Does law
enforcement realize that this body part that we found here is related to something that
we've found in some cases years later in a completely separate location. The man
that's been charged, Rex Humorman, seems to be the way we're saying.
It's a fifty nine year old architectural consultant. He's never been on law enforcement's
radar. Although, interestingly, and we'll get into more detail as we discuss,
profilers, including our friend Jim Clementi, who worked on this case,
had a pretty accurate description of the kind of person they should be looking for.
And I have to say that Rex Human checks a lot of boxes in
terms of the kind of suspect they thought might be involved in the Long Island
serial killings slash gil Go Beach killings. It's interesting that when I was looking
at some of the coverage on Facebook from a multitude of our friends, there
were a couple of people who said, this guy looks like a serial killer.
They're like, what does this And there were people people who were like
I were like, I don't want a stage up. They're like, but
he looks gary, he looks like as a serial killer. People were remarking
on his eyes, they feel like they're his eyes looked dead and a little
mean. The mug shot is not doing him any favorites either. But there
are definitely people who I heard just saying, oh, he looks like a
serial killer. And of course there's no one physical type of serial killer.
Of course there isn't. I can see. He wouldn't want this guy coming
up behind you in a dark alleyway, agreed? And what is he six
for? Nearly three hundred pounds? Every Yeah, every picture I've seen of
him next to police police officers, he dwarfs them. Yeah, it looked
like there were photographs that came out actually in video clips of the actual arrest,
not shot by law enforcement, but by security cameras in Manhattan. He
was arrested near his office as he walked down the street on that Thursday evening,
a beautiful summer evening. When I first saw the clip, I watched
it several times. There's no sound, it's from cam from stores in the
area. Human is walking down the street. He's approached by multiple New York
City Police officers and Suffolk County PD as well, and they're all wearing dark
suits and ties. But they all look to be like a full head shorter.
And it's not like law enforcement goes out to try to find the shortest
cups they can. It's just that this guy is gigantic. Yeah, people
were describing him as ogreish. I'm not trying to be uncharitable here, but
I can see where that description might apply, just in terms of size and
bulk alone. Like, he is a scary looking guy. I'm just speaking
as a woman. I find him to be kind of scary looking, intimidating
looking. So I hope that doesn't sound like I'm being cavalier or cruel,
but he's a scary looking guy. The four victims in this case, and
we're talking about now the Gilgo Beach part of this case, are all women
who were sex workers. They're all in their twenties. They're young, they're
petite, multi have fair skin, blue or green eyes, hazel eyes,
and they all seem to be very diminutive and that may be a type that
he's interested in. Some people have said that's also sadly, a person of
that size is more easily disposed of. All of these women were working as
escorts. They were all connected, likely through classified ads like on Craigslist,
and they ultimately were able to track the movements of these four women and their
killer through electronic means. Once they were able to narrow down the field.
Now, there's been a lot of problems in this case, and we'll talk
about that in an upcoming episode with former NYPD detective Joe jack Alone, who
has studied this case very closely for a number of years and has a lot
of interesting observations for us, and that's in an upcoming episode of Mind Over
Murder. Over the last two weeks now, there's been intensive searching at human's
home as well as related locations, including his office in Manhattan, storage units
that he rented in several locations, and homes in even in other states,
moving a small complex in South Carolina that he owned with his brother, a
timeshare condo that he owned in Las Vegas, and other potential locations. Most
of the searching has been concentrated, however, at his home in Massapequa Park,
Long Island. Watching the news reporting on this with my family members in
particular, is always very interesting because and I don't know if this happens to
you, Bill, but it happens to me. Whenever something vaguely true crime
related or directly true crime related. I we found a serial killer on Long
Island occurs and I'm sitting watching the news with my family. They all look
at me like, do you have some to say on this? This is
interesting? Can you interpret this for us? And so I happen to be
watching the news with my parents when they were talking about what they had found
in rex Huerman's house, and I'm talking about the vault that they found that
is soundproof and contained a number of guns. The exact number was two hundred
and seventy nine guns. I believe that was very interesting. And one of
my family members looked at me and they were like, what does that mean
exactly? And I said, it could mean any number of things. It
could just mean that he likes guns. It could also mean that he was
killing them in his home, and that is something that I know law enforce
someone is looking into. This is a very disturbing case. One thing was
evident. In addition to being a gun enthusiasts, shall we say only about
ninety two of those weapons were permitted. Possible that some of the weapons might
include gun parts like silencers and other attachments. But nonetheless, he has an
unusually large number of guns in this walk in vault is the word that law
enforcement is using, so that's extremely unusual. It's also very unusual that this
guy's an architect, is trained, and he has worked as an architect for
thirty plus years, primarily in New York City. Yet the home they live
in Massapequa Park, Long Island, is notable for being incredibly run down and
in poor repair. So the house is the crappiest house on the block.
The front porch is held up by two by four's, it needs a paint
job, it looks like it needs renovation. The other homes on the block
are significantly neiter, many of them have been replaced by newer homes. This
property, where he and his wife and two children both grown live is notable
for how run down and sadly looking at is, and this guy's an architect.
It's very strange that. Actually, that was a great comment that was
made on our mind over Murder page by Sue Moose, And I want to
make sure that I actually read this comment out loud, because she says something
very similar to what you just said. So Sue says, I'm wondering something
I have heard that he's an architect, but his house was in a shambles
and being held up in some places with boards. Some commentators wonder why when
he was an architect, maybe he didn't want anyone in the house working and
updating it due to being afraid someone would find something. It just makes me
wonder, and I thought that was an excellent point from Sue. It also
appears that human is in some financial trouble. He has unpaid taxes in the
hundreds of thousands of dollars. He's clearly spent money in very strange ways,
buying a timeshare condo in Las Vegas near an area that's frequented by sex workers,
buying property in South Carolina where his brother currently lives, and spending money
in odd ways. Two hundred and seventy nine weapons isn't something that you can
just acquire for a dollar ninety five apiece. Yeah, so he's spending money
in very strange ways, but he's sure not putting any money back into this
rundown house, which was spooky and even avoided by children and neighbors who didn't
have very much interaction with him, but had a tendency to avoid him because
he was such a strange, off putting kind of character. What we'd like
to do for you all is go into one of the documents that The New
York Times posted, and we made sure that we put the link to this
on our Facebook page right after the arrest occurred. Because we did this with
the rust affidavit, we wanted to do the same thing with this document,
and we wanted to go over it in detail for you. Basically, we
do it so that you don't have to. So the document that we're referencing
today is it's basically an argument against bail from mister Huerman. It is a
thirty two page document from the New York Times if you want to look for
it by title. The title of the document is the case against Rex Humerman,
and then it says read the document and let me go ahead and preface.
This is what the New York Times says about the document, and then
we'll launch into it. From the New York Times, Suffolk County, New
York prosecutors argued against bail from mister Hureman, and a thirty two page document
that explicitly details the investigation into the Go Go Beach killings. The New York
Times has redacted phone numbers, email addresses, personal addresses, and the names
of private social media accounts. It has also redacted offensive material that was included
in mister Huorman's Internet searches. Let me add something here too, Kristen,
which is some people will gotten confused in reading this document and remember a similar
document in the Brian Coburger case in the Idaho four Murders. Understand that law
enforcement investigators are only going to put up what they need to make the point
that this person deserves to be incarcerated in this case without bail. This isn't
their entire case. And this is where four months now since the Coburger arrests
in the Idaho four Murders, people have been saying they don't mention this,
and they don't mention that the prosecutors are not going to lay out their entire
case for the defense to begin picking apart at this early stage. So in
arresting mister Humorman, they're going to provide a healthy piece of the case that
they're building against him. But remember at this point they haven't gone in and
searched his home. There are so much more work that needs to be done,
which will be part of a presentation in a court of law, and
of course everyone has a right to be defended aggressively and professionally by defense counsel,
and so there'll be plenty of opportunity through discovery for defense attorneys to attack
if they can, aspects of the presentation of the prosecution. When you read
a document like this, it isn't necessarily the entire case. It's just a
piece of the case enough to make their point that we believe that mister Humorman
should not be out with the public. That's an excellent point. Let's go
ahead and dig into this, into this bail application here. So I'm going
to go ahead and go through and we'll just take this piece by piece.
I'll stop every once in a while, Bill will do some color commentary.
I'll do some color commentary, and we'll continue from there. So we're going
to go ahead and get started. So this reads County Court of Suffolk,
County, State of New York, the people of the State of New York
against Rex A. Cureman. Defendant. Rex Huerman stands before this court,
charged by the grand jury width bullet points murder in the first degree in violation
of New York State Penal Law Section one two five point two seven A Class
A one violent felony for the death of Melissa Barthelomy on or about July ten,
two thousand nine. Murder in the first degree a Class A one violent
felony for the death of Megan Waterman on or about June six, twenty ten.
Murder in the first degree a Class A one violent felony for the death
of Amber Costello on or about September second, twenty ten. Murder in the
second degree a Class A one violent felony for the death of Melissa Barthelomy Honor
about July ten, two thousand nine, Murder in the second degree for the
death of Megan Waterman Honor about June six, twenty ten. And murder in
the second degree in violation of New York State Penal Law Section one two point
two five, Class A one violent felony for the death of Amber Costello Honor
about September two, twenty ten. They are only listening three victims here.
They believe they've connected mister human with four victims. However, the electronic links
that I mentioned before the use of the cell phones were stronger in these first
three murders. Mentioned in the fourth murder, the cell phone records were not
retained for as long, so that presented a problem. So they've decided to
focus on three of the victims. They ultimately may build a case for the
fourth victim, but at this point they're only bringing up the first three of
the four Golgo Beach victims. I also want to mention too, that,
as we've all noticed at this point, when we're looking at things like bail
applications and probably will cause affidavits, there is a lot of repetitious language,
and so there will be times when I'm leaving out portions of things, like,
for example, section one two five point two five, just because I
don't want to get repetitious. So I'm not purposefully leaving things out that I
think are worthy of note. I'm just trying to spare us all from repetition,
So please just note that, Okay, next page, as described below,
based on the serious, heinous nature of these serial murders, the planning
and forethought that went into these crimes, the strength of the people's case,
the length of incarceration the defendant faces upon conviction, the extended period of time
that this defendant was able to avoid apprehension, his recent searches for sadistic materials,
child pornography, images of the victims and their relatives, counter surveillance conducted
online as to the criminal investigation, his use of fictitious names, burner email
and cell phone accounts, and his access to and history of possessing firearms.
The only means to ensure defendant rex A. Hureman's return to court is to
remand him without bail. That was a super long runn sentence, but you
get the gist of it. So no bail for all of those reasons.
So that is the request on the bail application. We don't want him to
have bail because of all these things. Next they go ahead and start laying
out the case. And so we have a sub section here called Discovery of
the Victims, and it lays out the entire circumstances of the case. Bill,
anything you wanted to add about the first bit there about no bail,
No, I think you've covered it. One thing I do want to add
is I apologies for not mentioning the fourth victim's name. Maureen Brainard. Barnes
is the fourth victim. They're still working on building stronger connections between Hureman and
Maureen Brainard Barnes, but she is suspected of being part of the same series,
and of course, all of the bodies of these four victims are placed
in an essentially the same spot at almost equidistant locations along the parkway. My
apologies for not mentioning her name. You're listening to Mind Over Murder. We'll
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Over Murder. Discovery of the victims. On December eleventh, twenty ten,
police officer John Malia was conducting a training exercise with his canine partner Blue along
Ocean Parkway in Go Go Beach, Suffolk County, New York. During the
course of the training exercise, Blue located a set of human remains. The
remains were later identified to be those of Melissa Barthelamy. Two days later,
on December thirteen, twenty ten, the SCP continue to search in proximity to
where the remains of Melissa Barthelemy were recovered. On that date, members of
the SCPD found three additional sets of human remains within one quarter mile of the
first discovery, and they reference an image below. These three additional sets of
remains were identified as those of Marine, Brandard Barnes, Megan Waterman, and
Amber Costello. The cause of death of all four women was determined to be
homicidal violence. And so on page three you've got a nice full color map
here that shows the locations of all of the different remains of the victims.
And again we have already given a link to this document on our mind Over
Murder page, but we will put the link in our show notes. In
addition, I can't emphasize enough how great these documents are. They're incredibly detailed
with pictures and diagrams. They're easy to follow. I encourage you to take
a few minutes, click on the link and check this out. A lot
of work went into this presentation, and this is the kind of material that
ultimately will be presented in court if the case goes to court. They've done
a fantastic job of explaining how this case unfolded. I do want to mention
also that next to the name Maureene Brainard Barnes, there is a footnote down
at the bottom, footnote one, and it does acknowledge exactly the same thing
that you were talking about a couple of minutes ago, Bill, that they
don't have enough of the case, but they're working on it, so let
me read the footnote for this footnote one. Although the defendant is not yet
charged with any crimes as to the disappearance and murder of Miss Brainard Barnes,
as set forth below, Definite rex A. Huerman is the prime suspect in
her death and the investigation which is continuing and is expected to be resolved soon.
Moreover, there is substantial evidence of Definite Hureman's involvement in the disappearance and
death of Miss Brainard Barnes, which evidence closely fits the modus operandi of the
defense in relation to the deaths of the other three women, and which supports
the current charges. As such, this bail application contains descriptions of that evidence,
which demonstrates the strength of the people's case as currently charged. Continuing underneath
the map, the investigation into these deaths were linked as, in addition to
the other factors, the victims each appeared to have been placed in close proximity
to one another twenty two to thirty three feet from the edge of the parkway.
All were petite females approximately twenty two to twenty seven years old, believed
to be working as sex workers, all had missing clothing and personal possessions,
all had been killed by homicide, all had contact shortly before their disappearances,
were a person using a burner cell phone i e. Cell Phones without an
associated verified identity, and the cell phones of two of the four victims,
Brainard, Barnes, and Barthelemy were used by the killer after their deaths.
In addition, each of the four victims were found similarly positioned bound in a
similar fashion by either beltzer tape, with three of the victims found wrapped in
a burlap type material. And this burlap type material could be incredibly important as
the case moves forward. It appears to be camouflage burlap that is used by
hunters to build duck blinds and things like that to hide behind when you're out
duck hunting and hunting other animals. Apparently, mister human is an avid hunter.
The next section of the bail application state's recent investigation. In January twenty
twenty two, the Seffik County District Attorney's Office assigned an experienced team of investigators,
analysts, and prosecutors to work jointly with law enforcement partners from the Suffolk
County Police Department. New York State Police, Suffoc County Sheriff's Office, and
Federal Bureau of Investigation. A comprehensive review of every item of evidence and information
in this investigation was undertaken by the team on March fourteenth, twenty twenty two,
approximately two months into the renewed joint investigation. This comprehensive review led to
the discovery of a first generation Chevrolet Avalanche that was registered to defendant rex A.
Hureman at the time of these murders. As described below. This was
significant because a witness to the disappearance of Amber Costello identified a first generation Chevrolet
Avalanche as the vehicle believed to have been driven by her killer. Bill For
anybody who doesn't know, can you describe a Chevy Avalanche? Sure? This
actually becomes key to the advancement of this investigation. First of all, they've
been looking into the murder of these young women since twenty ten, so that's
twelve years ago, and they've estimated that the killings had taken place even further
back, at least to two thousand and nine, perhaps earlier, so we're
talking about thirteen years at this point. It's worth noting that after the Suffolk
County District Attorney's office put together this team of people from Suffolk County, New
York State Police, Suffolk County Sheriff's Office, and importantly the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, who have been blocked from earlier investigations into this case for reasons that
we'll get into in a later episode. It's only two months after this investigation
rolls out. It's actually a matter of weeks the Chevy Avalanche information is discovered.
It's very sad to state that law enforcement had this information for as long
as twelve or more years. And a Chevy Avalanche is actually a very distinctive
looking truck fay mix between an suv and a pickup truck and the first generation
and Chevy Avalanche as a very distinctive profile. It has what almost looks like
a roll bar built in behind the cab of the truck that shapes into a
little triangle. The silhouette. If you're a car person, which I am,
is incredibly distinctive. This Chevy Avalanche was reported as being driven by a
client of one of the workers, Amber Costello, at her home. It's
very unfortunate that this wasn't followed up on. Apparently this evidence was misfiled.
This tip from a man who was a roommate of Amber Costello. He had
described an incident that had happened at Miss Costello's home where this man and another
man had engaged in a scam where they pretended to be Amber Costello's boyfriend burst
into the room and basically scared mister Human away, and they had apparently run
this scam a number of times. Huerman is a married man, he's also
a john is sitting there with a sex worker. Money has already changed hands,
and then these guys burst into the room and pretend to be to the
jealous boyfriend and Human makes his exit. The description of the client, who
turns out to be Rex Huerman and his vehicle are all there in the police
files. And of course this guy is physically very distinctive, six four three
hundred pounds. They are among the first people to use the word ogre.
He's a big, blockheaded guy with a sort of unfashionable dark haircut and these
seventies style glasses, and they described him as ogre like. It may not
be fair, but it's probably pretty accurate. The distinctive silhouette of the truck,
as well as his very distinctive physical appearance actually have been a very powerful
lead that should have been followed up by law enforcement twelve years ago. O
Heay. Continuing this discovery led to a comprehensive investigation of Definite Hureman, which
consisted of over three hundred subpoenas, search warrants, and other legal processes to
obtain evidence. As discussed more fully below, Among the items uncovered were cell
phone billing records for Definite Hureman's corresponding to cell site locations for one the burner
cell phones used to arrange meetings with three of the four victims, two the
taunting calls made to a relative of Miss Barthelomy, three a call made by
a detective to Miss Barthelomy's cell phone while looking into her disappearance, and four
calls checking voicemail on Miss brainerd Barne's cell phone after her disappearance. In addition,
Hureman lived in Massapequa Park, where the victims were believed to have disappeared
from, and he worked in midtown Manhattan, in the vicinity where the taunting
calls were made to the sister of Miss Barthelmy. As set forth more full
below, Definit rex a Hureman is believed to be the person who used the
Burner cell phones to communicate with each of the four victims prior to their disappearance,
and who used Miss brainerd Barne's cell phone and Miss Barthelomy's cell phone after
their deaths. Both definit Hureman and these Burner cell phones had significant connections to
both mitten Manhattan and Messapequa Park, New York. It's worth noting here that
the FBI was brought in this time around and allowed to participate, and I
think all of the law enforcement agencies played a key role, but the cell
phone technology cracking performed by the FBI and other agencies is incredibly impressive. Yeah,
this is one of the strengths of the FBI. They have a team
called the Cellular Analysis Survey Team referred to as CAST CIST their mission and this
is very interesting. They performed this so admirable. It's worth highlighting CAST mission
quote is to support the FBI, along with state, local, and tribal
investigations through the analysis of cellular call detail records CDRs and their associated tower information.
The analysis done by the CAST team, together with their other law enforcement
partners, is what helped build the case around Rex Hureman. And as you
get into more detail, not only were they able to figure out where the
cell phones of the four victims were located. Two of those cell phones were
used after the murders by Huerman to make these horrific calls to the survivors of
these two victims. They also were able to figure out where his burner phones
were located and his regular cell phone was located, and so they were able
to triangulate through the use of these cell phone towers where all these cell phones
were moving around. It's fascinating. This is the kind of work that the
FBI excels at. We also saw a good work from the cast team and
the Brian Coburger Probabill cause affidavit as well, So they really do an excellent
job with this. Okay, now, the bail application continues by breaking down
each of the cases, and that includes Marine Brainard Barnes. So I'm going
to go through each section it will detail what happened to those women. So
we start with first the disappearance and murder of Marine Brainard Barnes. Marine Brainard
Barnes was less seen on July ninth, two thousand and seven, in New
York City. At that time, she was believed to be working as a
sex worker. On July sixth, two thousand seven, Miss Brainard Barnes's cell
phone was contacted by a burner cell phone. Between July sixth and July ninth,
there were sixteen interactions between this Burner phone and Brainard Barnes cell phone.
On July nine, the last cell site location for the BRAINERD Barnes cell phone
was at approximately eleven fifty six PM in Midtown Manhattan, near the fifty ninth
Street Bridge. Thereafter, the brainer Barnes's cell phone had no further activity until
July twelve. On July twelve, three days after her disappearance, two outbound
calls were made from Brainard Barne's cell phone checking her voicemail from a cell site
location near the Long Island Expressway in Islandia. Day next, we go to
the disappearance and murder of Melissa Barthelamy. Melissa Barthelamy was less seen on July
ten, two thousand nine, in New York City. At that time,
she was believed to be working as a sex worker. On July three,
Miss Barthellamy was contacted by a Burner's cell phone. Thereafter, the Barthelomy cell
phone was contacted by this Burner cell phone on July sixth, July nine,
and July ten, which was the last day she was seen alive. On
July ten, cell site records indicate the Burner cell phone traveled from Massapequa Park
to Midtown Manhattan. Later that evening, the Barthelamy cell phone traveled from Midtown
Manhattan to Massapequa, with the last cell site location being in Massapequa on July
eleventh at approximately one forty three am. On July eleven, Miss Barthelamy's cell
phone was used to make an outbound call checking her voicemail from miss cell site
location in Freeport. On July eleven and July twelve. The Barthelamy phone made
two more outbound calls checking her voicemail from cell site locations in Babylon. On
July seventeen, July twenty third, August five, August nineteen, and August
twenty six. The Barthelamy phone made taunting phone calls to Miss Barthelmy's family members,
some of which resulted in a conversation between the caller, who was a
male, and a relative of Melissa Barthelamy, in which the mail caller admitted
killing and sexually assaulting Miss Barthelamy, as described below. The cell site location
of the Barthelemy phone during these taunting calls were all in Midtown Manhattan. Next,
we come to the disappearance and murder of Megan Waterman. Megan Waterman was
last seen alive at the Holiday Inn in hop Hoog, New York, on
June six, twenty ten, at approximately one thirty am. At that time,
she was believed to be working as a sex worker. On June five,
Miss Waterman's cell phone was contacted by another Burner cell phone, which had
just been activated that day. Thereafter, the Waterman phone communicated with this Burner
cell phone on June six at approximately one thirty one am, which is around
the time Megan Waterman was captured on video surveillance exiting the Holiday Inn in Hopog
for the last time. Following that communication, the Burner cell phone had no
further phone activity. However, cell site records show that the Waterman phone traveled
to Massapequa Park, with the last cellsite location being in Massapequa Park at approximately
three eleven am, in the vicinity of the residence of defendant Huerman and finally,
the last disappearance and this is definitely the longest the disappearance in murder of
Amber Costello. Amber Costello was last seen alive on September two, twenty ten,
leaving her residence at one one one two America Avenue in West Babylon during
the late evening hours. At that time, she was believed to be working
as a sex worker. On September one, twenty ten, the day prior
to the disappearance of Amber Costello, Miss Costello's cell phone was contacted by a
Burner cell phone on September one, This Burner's cell phone had communications with the
Costello phone at approximately eleven thirty three pm and eleven thirty four PM. During
those communications, the Burner cell phone connected to cell site towers in West Amityville
and Massapequa Park. Thereafter, the Burner cell phone traveled to West Babylon in
proximity to the residence of Amber Costello, and had contact with the Castello phone
at approximately twelve or five am on September two. Awe of witness statements.
According to witnesses, around the time of these communications between the Burner's cell phone
and the Castello phone. On September one to two, twenty ten, a
prostitution client showed up at miss Castello's residence located in West Babylon, New York.
After the client entered the home, a ruse was executed on the client,
whereby a person pretended to be the outraged boyfriend of amber Costello, and
the client left from the residence, which amber Castello retained the money the client
had brought to pay for her services. So this is what you were referring
to earlier bill. Based upon interviews, the client was described as a large
white male approximately six four to six six in height in his mid forties,
with dark bushy hair and big oval style nineteen seventies type eyeglasses. A witness
described him to police as appearing like an ogre. There is a footnote here
that I want to mention the footnote this mirrors the physical attributes of defendant Rex
A. Hureman, who is a large white male approximately six four in height
in excess of two hundred forty pounds in weight, with dark bushy hair,
who wears large eyeglasses, and who was forty six years old when amber Castello
went missing. Gay back to the document furthermore, a witness noticed a first
generation Chevy Avalanche parked in the driveway of the residents. According to the witness,
following the ruse, this client said he was just her friend, tell
her I'll give her a call, and walked out the front door. Thereafter,
at approximately one eighteen am on September two, after the ruse had been
perpetrated, the Burner cell phone sent a text message to the Castello phone which
stated that was not nice, so do I credit for the next time.
Phone records showed that the Burner phone was located in Massapequa Park within two minutes
of this text message being sent, according to a witness. Later the next
day, on September two, twenty ten, miss Castello was again contacted by
the same client that was in the house the night before the avalanche. Further,
amber told us that he wanted to see her again, but he didn't
want to come back to the house because of her boyfriend. Thereafter, on
September two, at approximately nine thirty two pm, the same Burner cell phone
from the previous evening again communicated with the Castello phone. During this communication,
the Burner cell phone and a cellsite location in Midtown Manhattan. Following this communication,
and based upon the cellsite records, the Burner cell phone traveled to Massapequa
Park and had contacts with the Castello phone at approximately ten thirty nine PM and
eleven o five PM. Cellsite records for the Burner phone indicate that at approximately
eleven seventeen PM, the phone traveled to West Babylon, in proximity to the
residents of Amber Costello. Subsequently, Amber Costello left her own cell phone behind,
walked out the front door of the residence, and was seen alive for
the last time. Shortly after miss Castello left the house, a witness observed
a dark colored truck past the house, specifically coming from the direction Amber had
walked towards. There's so much to unpack here in this final description of what
happened with Amber Costello. This is the place where the scam is run on
human and he demands a credit, and he appears to have talked Amber Costello
into meeting him the next evening for a credit if you will. The fact
that this tip with a good physical description of Hureman as well as a good
description of an extremely distinctive vehicle and not a big seller. I would add
Chevy Avalanches weren't selling like hotcakes. It's a shame this was missed by the
first investigative team back around twenty ten. It was all here waiting to be
discovered with an incredible amount of detail. It's tragic that this investigative team botched
this investigation so badly that it wasn't until the new team came in about sixteen
months ago and began this investigation. A knew that this case moved forward in
the way that it has very interesting information here and a lot to unpack.
So we still have a number of different pages of the bail application to go
over with you all, so we will continue that in our next episode.
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