WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.079 Hey, you know what time it is. Game's about After Dark, Episode 2 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:42.640 two one four. We in the building with me, Michael him your host 3 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.880 for this week, and I'm joined by Jean Luke Shikee Hi, Hello, 4 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:54.479 and Jacob Decker the light side of this. Oh my god, So you 5 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:59.960 can't say that. So you just said that is what I said with regards 6 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:03.920 to me and my friend Jordan Roum coming to you from the East Bay. 7 00:01:03.480 --> 00:01:07.040 So man, Hello, Hello, Jake. I can't believe you started. 8 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.799 We was gonna talk about the freestyle I was spinning beforehand. Just listen if 9 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:17.159 you if you watch this live on twitch dot tv slash GameSpy, you get 10 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.719 some sick beats while you wait for us to start live. Yeah, and 11 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.879 I was trying freestyle over them, and that freestyle went south but not good. 12 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:26.400 Yeah, it was not good. I don't want to you don't want 13 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.319 to peep that ship, but you know it's not going south. Were going 14 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.680 up with this podcast today because we got a lot of things to talk about, 15 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.879 like Spider Man to Marvel Spider Man two. That is also why we 16 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:42.480 have Jordan calling in from his home. Very happy, always happy to have 17 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:47.120 Jordan on when he can, and also super Mario, Super Mario, Brothers 18 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.079 Wonder, Bros Bros Wonder? Is it is it? Is it supposed to 19 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.760 be because they always do b R O S dot. Yeah, So like 20 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:00.359 is it like incorrect to say brothers instead of bros? We bros? You 21 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.560 know what I'm saying. I think you guys stick with Bros Super Mario Bros. 22 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.120 Wonder. Yeah, which Jake has been playing. I've been playing, 23 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.719 didn't review it, but reviews on it. Yeah, you could speak on 24 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:13.159 it and Jean Luke, is there anything that you're bringing to the table otherwise 25 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.680 we won't butt you out? And I'm just kidding. I also played Spider 26 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:19.240 Man. Oh okay, cool? So with that, Yeah, what do 27 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.120 you bring into the table? Listen, I just bring that. I'll bring 28 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.000 that swag to the table, yeah, saying I do. Actually I have 29 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:29.319 freestyle. I'll bring a fire free style. Not today though, that's damn 30 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.919 sure, because yeah, we're gonna boot you. I get it. I 31 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.759 understand it's all good. Uh No. Actually, World of Horror, which 32 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.039 I'll talk about later, which has been in early access for a very long 33 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.400 time and it finally has its one point oh release. Oh really? Yeah, 34 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.479 whatever reason I thought that was? I know I thought it was I 35 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:47.919 thought it was out like forever. Yeah, and I was always been an 36 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:52.159 early access just in time for Spooky season. If you listened to last week's 37 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.680 episode and the episode before that, Jean Luke and Kurt we're doing uh, 38 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:59.000 we're talking about all the things, all the horrible things. Oh you listen 39 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:00.000 to that one? I did. Yeah, I was really cute. Okay, 40 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:05.599 I like, I love chatting with Kurt, like the episode. Yeah, 41 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.240 r I pter Kirk. He can't be with us today. But because 42 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.199 we have Jean Luke and Jordan, I'm going to throw them the oop to 43 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:20.879 open up about Marvel Spider Man two, probably the most anticipated PlayStation exclusive of 44 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:24.400 this year, one of the most anticipated What else came out this year for 45 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:30.400 PlayStation exclusive? But what I said is still not wrong regardless. I think 46 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:37.840 you're right. I'm just now what other PlayStation this year? There's probably something 47 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:40.400 like Big that I'm forgetting, and all the Sony fans are like there's been 48 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:49.719 like Final Fantasy sixteen. Huh yeah, Okay, yeah, I will concede 49 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.599 that Marvel Spider Man two is probably more anticipated. That's more it's more Sony. 50 00:03:54.759 --> 00:04:00.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, because like Square Inx you know, like it's 51 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.319 gonna come to PC at some point, right maybe, I mean, I 52 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.039 guess Spider Man two will probably come to PC probably, Well yeah, yeah, 53 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:11.240 but what are exclusives now anyway? Exclusives or games that Xbox doesn't get. 54 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.120 That's how we define them, I would say by that metric, though, 55 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.120 then balder Skate three is in there because it's yeah, technically PS five 56 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:24.800 console exclusively, that is true. Yeah, hey, but yeah, I 57 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:30.360 think mass appeal obviously, Spider Man two is a huge blockbuster on the block 58 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.480 and uh yeah, I think the consensus is that it is a great game. 59 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.920 You can check out Jordan's review on GameSpot dot com after you're done listening 60 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.759 or watching this eight out of ten. Lots of lots of great words two 61 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.560 thousand plus words on the site that you should peep. But in the meantime, 62 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.920 Jordan lay the foundation for us. How did you feel about Marvel Spider 63 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:56.079 Man two? Oh? Uh, man, I I've spoken about this a 64 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.959 few times to a few different people, and like, this is such a 65 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:04.560 hard game to to talk about and especially to review, just because like my 66 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.519 favorite parts and least favorite parts of the game are all things that are like 67 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:15.920 big, major Sports, so I just can't mention anything about it, but 68 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:24.000 like general non spoiler strokes for this game, if you liked Spider Man, 69 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:29.000 if you liked Miles Morales, this is just kind of more of that, 70 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.839 Like double the Spider Man, double the size of the map, more types 71 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:38.920 of activities to play through, more gadgets and powers to use during combat, 72 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.800 just like more of the same, which isn't necessarily bad. I was kind 73 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:48.920 of hoping that Insomniac would take a much bigger swing with their next Spider Man 74 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:55.279 game, But I mean, it works. The formula worked before, it 75 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:00.120 continues to work now, and I liked it. I liked it a lot 76 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.839 as much as some other people at other outlets, but uh, damn, 77 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.639 talk that talk now. I'm just kidding, what about you. Yeah, 78 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.399 I mean I pretty much felt exactly the same way as Jordan, where it's 79 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.079 like, hey, you know, oh, it's it's yeah, it's like, 80 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:16.800 this is the third Spider Man game. We already kind of know how 81 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.560 it feels. It doesn't really do much to evolve the formula. But I 82 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:23.639 don't think that's a bad thing, because I was thinking about it in comparison 83 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:29.240 to like Horizon, which also it sequeled to the movements formula was just more. 84 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.560 But I found that game. I was more turned off by it in 85 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.480 that game, and I think I think in that case it was like it 86 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.759 they they like that game has like a bloat issue where it's like they just 87 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.040 were like, we'll put in too much. This game, I think, 88 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:48.480 despite adding more, still feels very not lean, but like, uh, 89 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.879 you know, focused focused. Yeah, its a game Platinum. This pretty 90 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:56.959 quickly too, which was something that people loved about the original. Yeah. 91 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.600 Yeah, you don't even need the game for review before, Like I've never 92 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.800 got trophy. Yeah, I got it before writing the review. I'm like, 93 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.800 it only took thirty hours. Like no, it's like super easy. 94 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.839 Yeah, I mean like I really enjoyed it. I think like the story 95 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:18.079 is like the most compelling aspect about it, and what Jordan said, it's 96 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:23.279 kind of hard to talk about. What I think is interesting is do you 97 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.199 have Mary Jane a gun? They gave Mary Jane a gun, so ten 98 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:32.360 out of ten for that alone. So I think the interesting thing is, 99 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:40.759 like the story is it's the Cymbiote storyline, and so for me at least 100 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.600 like it. It hits all the beats that you like expect from that storyline 101 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.560 if you're familiar with that storyline. Yeah, And I will say, like 102 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:55.000 this sounds like a negative, but not really in that like a lot of 103 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:00.120 those story beats in terms of like what happened, Like it didn't surprise me 104 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.800 where it's like, oh, Okay, that's kind of where I expected that 105 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.399 to go, Like like like knowing this storyline and knowing the beats you have 106 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.680 to hit to make the storyline work, like, yeah, they checked them 107 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.319 all off, so maybe like it didn't. It did even't have as many 108 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.680 maybe like twists the way I feel like maybe the first Spider Man did. 109 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.879 But that's more in the broader strokes I think, as kind of Jordan talked 110 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.600 about in his review. It's more in like the smaller details and the more 111 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.839 like almost subtle changes to sort of like character motivations. Like that's where it's 112 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.120 like, oh, that's the insomniac spin that they put on like the story 113 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.279 and and also I think it is just kind of fun to like see that 114 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.960 storyline play out. I don't think they've ever done like a a a full 115 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.279 version of like the Symbiote storyline. There was that one Spider Man game that 116 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.759 had venom in it and had the black suit, but it was like its 117 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.679 own original thing, like this is like, yeah, yeah, Web of 118 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.919 Shadows, but that was that wasn't like telling the Symbiote storyline. That was 119 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.879 its own original thing. Like you know, this is like, oh you 120 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.559 get you get angsty Peter Parker right, and he's a boy, he's been 121 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.759 an angy boy and he's all like I'm gonna kill them and you're like, 122 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:11.120 whoa, Peter, don't do that. But it's one of those yeah, 123 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.799 no, no, no no. I was just gonna say it was one 124 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:20.200 of those things where I don't think Insomniac would ever say out loud how much 125 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.519 this is the case. But I am very curious, like, since this 126 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:31.159 is a game made for PlayStation, and PlayStation is Sony, and Sony has 127 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.919 Spider Man, and Sony has this weird relationship with Marvel when it comes to 128 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:43.039 Spider Man. I'm like, did, like, at what point can Insomniac 129 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:50.120 change something about a established Spider Man storyline? And at what point does like 130 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.519 Marvel step in and be like, look, we hear what you're saying, 131 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:01.240 but you can't change like this aspect of Peter Parker's story, it has to 132 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.440 go this way, and I it could be that, like all the decisions 133 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.320 that were made in this were entirely decisions that the folks that Insomniac wanted to 134 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.639 make. There's just no way to really tell. But like the fact, 135 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:15.679 like building off what you said, John, look, the fact that they 136 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.440 just kind of hit the beats with Craven and Venom that it's like, oh, 137 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:24.480 I've seen this play out in cartoons and other games and TV shows and 138 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.759 movies like before, where I can kind of predict what's going to happen. 139 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.039 I almost wonder. I'm like, did at any point did they want to 140 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.919 change any of that and they couldn't or did they just decide not to? 141 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.960 And it's I really want to know. I really want to know if they 142 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:48.600 have the ability to alter certain aspects of it because Miles Morales like that game 143 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.679 like is very different from others Miles Morales stories we've had, and we've had, 144 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.960 like the Spider Verse movie, which is also very different. I'm like, 145 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.519 Oh, I wonder, since Miles is a newer care if like Marvel 146 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.600 allows people to be have a little bit more freedom, but they established but 147 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:07.960 with Peter Parker, it's like, no, this is our boy. You 148 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:15.600 cannot change. Yeah, this story and especially you know you think of license 149 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.919 games. Back in the day, studios or like IP owners kind of didn't 150 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.279 care all that much the same way like they do now with the Disney and 151 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:28.679 Marvel being these multi billion dollar properties where you know, they's creative control. 152 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.440 You can only do something we hear about all the time when things like kimm 153 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.200 Hearts and it's called Marvel Spider Man. They put their snamp on that shit, 154 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.919 they let you know. Yeah, yeah, so that's always interesting to 155 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.720 hear or to see how that plays out, and not to say that like 156 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.159 again, it's not like insomni I did a bad job or anything like I 157 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.320 do think in that storyline they do interesting things and there are even a couple 158 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.919 of things they did that I was like, whoa, that's kind of wild. 159 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.039 I've seen some I've seen some things. Yeah. Yeah, there's like 160 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.440 some some stuff in mid game that I think we're like I was just like, 161 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.200 whoa, Okay, like I really can't say anymore. Yeah, I'm 162 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.759 like trying to like psychically like be like you know what I'm talking about, 163 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.600 right, Yeah, And I'm like I know exactly what you're talking about. 164 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.120 We can't talk about it yet though, Yeah, and then this isn't really 165 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.320 too much of a spoiler. But I did think it was kind of like 166 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.000 with the Venom stuff both Jordan, you talked about a review and how like 167 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.080 the the motivations for Venom as a character are far are different in a more 168 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:33.759 interesting way. But also they actually did take some elements from the like later 169 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.440 Venom comics and kind of like degraded that into the Symbiote storyline, because that 170 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.159 was like that original symbiot storyline, like they were just making up as they 171 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.399 go, Like they retroactively gave Venom and the Symbiotes all this like lore after 172 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.200 so they kind of like put some of that back in, And I was 173 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.159 like, Oh, that's kind of neat. It's not something you need to 174 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.320 know necessarily do enjoy the story. It was just more it's like, oh, 175 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.279 as someone who's familiar with that from the comics, that was like a 176 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.320 nice touch. Or they were trying to bridge kind of multiple airs of Spider 177 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.600 Man together, so I thought that was kind of cool. Is it kind 178 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.399 of blame that Spider Man can just fly now? Though? Oh? I 179 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.159 mean it real fun. Okay, it's fun to do. I saw it 180 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.600 and I was like, that seems fun, but like torn on it. 181 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.440 Yeah, because it's one of those things that the game doesn't force you to 182 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.519 do it, so you don't have to use the wingsuit. But it's also 183 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.200 so much easier to navigate certain parts of the map with the wingsuit. Would 184 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759 that the game's basically encouraging you to use it, And like halfway through the 185 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.919 game, I'm like, wow, this is It's not like Superman simulator. 186 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.080 It's not like you're flying, but I don't know. There's so many times 187 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.080 where I could like just go into a wind tunnel like over the ocean and 188 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.080 I could actually just put my controller down and Peter Miles would reach the other 189 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.919 side safely. And yeah, this isn't exactly what I want from a Spider 190 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.399 Man game. It's like that's not bad. Yeah, it kind of devalues 191 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.200 the webswing a little bit. Don't feel like Spider Man. Yeah, just 192 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.000 feel like Spider Man to some degree. I would say, the same thing 193 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.600 goes with the like fast travel thing, Like it's real cool tech, like 194 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.639 the way you just like hit anywhere on the map and it just zooms in 195 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.200 and like, oh there they are, like right there, Like it's it's 196 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.039 like a mad flex on Insomniac's part. You're like, oh, you you're 197 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:24.559 really working that PlayStation SSD or whatever. And it's cool and it's great when 198 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.519 you just need to get somewhere, but you know, it kind of has 199 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.600 the side effect that any fast travel does where you're like, well, I 200 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.000 don't yeah, I don't need to swing around, I'm just gonna fast travel 201 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.960 everywhere, and then it's like kind of weird, like you are, you 202 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.960 are devaluing that aspect of the game, and thankfully, like you do have 203 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.279 to put in some work to unlock that stuff. So in the early part 204 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.600 it's fine, but yeah, by the end, I was like, yeah, 205 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.480 I'm just gonna fast travel to everything because I just kinda I'm just ready 206 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.879 to see the next story. Deep. Yeah. I also liked in was 207 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.759 it the Spider Man one? How he would when fast trout? Will he 208 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.840 take the subway? You just get like a cut scene miss that. I 209 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.759 thought that was pretty cheap. I get why they're not doing it this time 210 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.679 because they've got the super Fast SSD. Like you said, they were definitely 211 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:15.159 flexing a little or a lot, but I thought that was kind of cheeky. 212 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.919 Yeah. It's one of those things where even like in m m os 213 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.759 where fresh fast travels like for the sake of convenience, you sort of miss 214 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.039 out on that that element that kind of brings you into the world. Uh 215 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.279 Hegi Huga asked if you can just go straight, straight up go to Queens 216 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.360 without flying? Is that is that's something you do? I mean once you 217 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:41.080 unlock it. Yeah, the bridge, what are the streets they got, 218 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.039 They got Jamaica Queen's out there. Shouts out to all my all my homies 219 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:50.840 from Jamaica Queens. They got Kevin James is out there. That's Queens. 220 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.639 Yeah, that had been that had been a good easter egg to throw on 221 00:15:54.679 --> 00:16:02.559 the would it have been? I know, like in Greg and Blessing. 222 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.799 Okay, so my roommate Blessing Jr. Is never heard I haven't heard him. 223 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.320 You should follow. It makes really good content. They still reviewed it. 224 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.240 Wow, I know, no fucking five out of five, bro, 225 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.759 they put me in this game, now, just kidding. Did not see 226 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.080 to be very blessed was was not as not as himself. But it's it's 227 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.440 an easter egg if if you follow kind of funny, you know, Greg. 228 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.600 Greg was basically shirtless Spider Man when he was in the first one, 229 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.360 and then this time around they put Blessed in there too with shirts, so 230 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.399 you have two shirtless Spider Man and it's Blessed driven better. He did, 231 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.559 he did true, So you can go peep that. I think the side 232 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.799 quest for it is like kind of it's it's called the kind of fan boy 233 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.600 or something like that. Kind of fan boy, Yeah, kind of fan 234 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.679 Boys or something. It's, uh, you do like a collection of quest 235 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.480 where you take a bunch of photos, Yeah, Robbie from the Daily Bugle, 236 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:02.080 and one of them is like, yeah, the guys, I see 237 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.720 what you're doing. Yeah, sick. How does uh how does the symbiote 238 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:08.839 stuff affect the gameplay? Why is does it? Does it change much at 239 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.519 all? Because I know some of those abilities look fucking sick. I mean 240 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.759 they look sick, But it's mostly just like a different, uh, like 241 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.200 ability move Like it doesn't fundamentally change the way, like yeah, the combat 242 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:27.240 flows or anything like that. But you Jordan and exactly what John Luke said, 243 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:33.319 It's just one of those things where they even kind of like pair the 244 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.720 abilities in certain ways where it's like, oh, only these types of abilities 245 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.799 can be put into this ability slot. Only these abilities can be put into 246 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:45.799 this ability slot. And so the symbiotabilities kind of line up with Peter's non 247 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:52.119 symbiodabilities that kind of accomplish the same task but in like a slightly different way. 248 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:56.799 It's like, oh, Peter can do this to like fling a bunch 249 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.880 of enemies up in the air and then slam them down with the symbiot suit, 250 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.200 or he can do this thing where he brings out like the doc awk 251 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.799 legs and like launches a bunch of people up into the air, and it's 252 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:14.680 like accomplishing the same same thing, like slight variations on is essentially the same 253 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.200 type of move. Like it's really just about like which kind of you're feeling 254 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.279 flash wise, which I think is maybe like Jordan, you hit on this 255 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:23.920 in the review, and it was something I definitely felt where like I was 256 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:32.000 disappointed in how familiar or like the same both Peter and Miles feel like it 257 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.640 does feel like a missed opportunity to have like two Spider Man who feel like 258 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:40.799 drastically different to play, but like they're kind of pretty much the exact same 259 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:42.279 except like a couple of their movies are different and some of the animation. 260 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:47.119 He feels us so well. In the beginning with Sandman, when they're like, 261 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:52.160 oh, Miles's venom powers can turn parts of Sandman into glass, so 262 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.279 you can handle Sandman differently than Peter can, I'm like, oh, this 263 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.240 is really cool. They're probably gonna do this with all the enemy type that 264 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.799 each one can handle the enemies in different ways. No, it's just something 265 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.480 that happens in the first fifteen to twenty minutes and it just is never really 266 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:12.960 no pretty much. Yeah, I kind of thought that was a missed opportunity, 267 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.559 Like I guess I sort of get it from maybe like that could maybe 268 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.599 be too much where especially because the game has he's swapping between them, Like 269 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.119 I could see that almost getting like overwhelming or confusing for a player. But 270 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.799 it did feel like a missed opportunity of to have these like these characters like 271 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:36.880 feel more different and distinct. Is the character swapping like GTA where it's like, 272 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.960 no, it doesn't do that, it doesn't, it doesn't sound effects. 273 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:48.160 Yeah, it does a fade to black, but they do do the 274 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.480 thing where sometimes they'll be like doing a little animation when you get in there, 275 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:53.039 So it kind of like Peter will be like given a high five, 276 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.039 or he'll be like eating slice of pizza and be like, oh shit, 277 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.799 I gotta to go and take out a suit like yeah, alleyway and run 278 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.319 back out of Spider And that's kind of yeah, something like little touches like 279 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:08.039 that that are like kind of nice. Yeah, how does flowing between them 280 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:12.599 two work? Like for quests stuff, it's just like this quest is for 281 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.960 Peter, this quest is for Yeah, there's like an app that basically will 282 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.000 like say, hey, this quest is for that. For like story quests, 283 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:23.440 it just determines it, like which one it is, like that's locked 284 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.759 in. Uh. Some of the side quests you can pick, and then 285 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:30.240 some of them are also specific. The ones where you can pick are kind 286 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:34.400 of neat because I guess you do get different dialogue presumably depending on which one 287 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:41.160 you pick. Yeah, but they're also kind of inherently like slightly less interesting 288 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.480 because it's almost like the ones that are more bespoke for that character are like 289 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:49.799 about that character. Like there's a couple like the one that surprised me was 290 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.920 the the the Miles one where you're like trying to get back the instruments for 291 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.880 the Cultural Center. Like that was a I really liked that quest a lot. 292 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.839 Yeah, and it was like it was really cool. It has a 293 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:08.759 great ending basically like someone steals a bunch of instruments from the like Harlem like 294 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.519 cultural Center and you're trying to get them back, and you actually like at 295 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.319 the end you get to like explore like the opening of the museum and you 296 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.079 can like walk around essentially this like interactive exhibit and like see all of these 297 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:26.440 like like pieces of of like like jazz history and stuff, and they actually 298 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.839 they'll show like real photos of like the people. You're like, I'm like, 299 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.640 oh, I'm actually like learning shit, like for real about like the 300 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.480 real people. I'm like, this is cool. Like that's a cool quest. 301 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.880 It was like yeah, you know, uh, it's got a poignant 302 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.839 message as well. I guess I won't spoil, but okay, yeah, 303 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:45.440 I'm like, damn spider Man, yeah say it, like all right, 304 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.559 quest Like that was cool, or like there's one where like, yeah, 305 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.440 there's like one where Peter's like giving someone advice about like the first photo he 306 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:59.039 took, and you get like a little like gosh, that thing Yeah. 307 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.119 Yeah, that's that's the one too, Like I'm trying to avoid like that. 308 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:06.599 Yeah, there's cool little touches like that that you're like, okay, 309 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:08.440 like, yeah, that's great, that's what's up. Care about it? 310 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.720 So it's not I mean, it seems like this. I've seen other people 311 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.920 playing it too. Seems like this is a game worth like seeing everything you 312 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.240 do, all the sad quests. That's what I felt about Fantom Liberty, 313 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.559 where it's like, you know, it's it's a short, it's a concise 314 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.720 experience that doesn't really waste your time, so it's worth seeing every little thing 315 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.759 that is available to use since it is not. Yeah, I would say 316 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.920 like if you really were bored, like you could skip like the spiderbot stuff 317 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:40.119 maybe or like some of those oh the emf uh oh yeah those ones. 318 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.240 Okay, So that's a weird aspect to talk about. This game is like 319 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.960 has like Yakuza level mini games that they just throw in it. It's cool, 320 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.960 Michael, No, hell yeah. I was into it more than most 321 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.839 people, but I did hit a point where I was like, okay, 322 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.160 but these are like kind of not that good though. They should add the 323 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:07.960 Hostess club and the damn r GG Spider Man three, but like he's just 324 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.599 wearing He's just wearing like a like a sick like a nice like suit over 325 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:18.039 his Oh man. I mean it's like you have to hear you and Maduma, 326 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.440 you know, swap between Miles and Peter. Oh man, that would 327 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:26.240 be this idea. I'm sure like j Jo mc jamison shows it and he's 328 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.400 like a real hard client and you're like, oh, we gotta throw bisk 329 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:34.400 girls at him. Oh that would be good. But no, like they 330 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:41.480 do. They have like all these side activities, like not just like so 331 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.599 the em F stuff is the worst, where it's like, uh, fly 332 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.799 this drone around and shoot virtual bees and you're like, oh, got into 333 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.880 that and you're like or there's like a biking mini game, which we're like, 334 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.559 this is weird, and then you're like, also, this control is 335 00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.920 terribly It's not very fun and it's not like collecting cans as all. That's 336 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.039 riding a bike through the park and doing it fast enough before the bike explodes, 337 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:11.319 And I'm like, why are we doing this? That's real? It 338 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:18.519 really is. It's like so weird if I was like, but also throughout 339 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.440 the game they do just throw in like these very random mini games. Like 340 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.799 there's one part where you know, all of a sudden, it's just like 341 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.160 use the dual shock motion thing to like shoot some hoops in the middle of 342 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.640 the scene, and you're like, oh, okay, on my dual sense. 343 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:37.319 Yea. There's there's a part where you go to like the Coney Island 344 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.720 Fair and you're like walk around and you can if you want, like go 345 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.799 and do like a bunch of different like fair mini games. So it's like, 346 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.240 oh, Google, do the wacka Moles segment. It's only in that 347 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.720 segment, so you're like you have to do it then. But it's like 348 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.839 I was like, man, they didn't have to go this hard, Like 349 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:57.039 this is like a weird, weird thing to put in like a lot of 350 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.559 effort for for like this one scene where I'm just like doing this like bespoke 351 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.559 like Whack a Mole mini game, or I'm like going on like a little 352 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.160 Ferris wheel or something like it's really weird. But I'm also like I'm into 353 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:11.240 it. Like I'm into it because I'm just like, yeah, like I 354 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:17.279 like that they're doing weird, interesting stuff. But then also I'm like, 355 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:18.839 yeah, but they could be a little more fun. Yeah, I assume 356 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:25.680 those scenes are there in the game specifically because the game has to establish as 357 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:30.759 quickly as possible that Peter and Harry are like the bestest of best friends and 358 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:37.160 you as the player should care about what happens to Harry despite him not being 359 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.759 in either of the first two Spider Man games, because like a lot of 360 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:48.640 those minigame moments are Peter doing the activity with Harry and like bonding as having 361 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.119 like moments where it's like, hey, I love you and like another dude 362 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:53.400 being like I love you too, and it's like, oh yes, the 363 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.799 building of this like best friend bromance. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, 364 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.480 you know, boys shooting they love each other and you're like, all right, 365 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:03.440 I'm going to do that ship all the time. I love it. 366 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.039 Yeah. They have to like accelerate the character development in a way to the 367 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.680 place Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, so it's like it's cool, Like 368 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.160 I'm into I I don't want them to stop. I'm like keep trying that. 369 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.680 Think I'm a little more fun next. Yeah, that's like that's my 370 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:19.720 feelings. I don't want to I want to be out there in the post 371 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.599 with my homie. You fucking boxing them out for a rebound and ship and 372 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.480 be like, I love you, bro. Are they going to why are 373 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:30.599 they going to finally just put in the pizza mini game like from like the 374 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.079 Old Spider Man. Yeah, Like, I don't care if it's like a 375 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:40.599 meme that that's just that was fun those old Spider Man games. Fucking bang. 376 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.559 Still there someone tweeting that, like or xing, I don't know, 377 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:53.200 tweeting tweeting, don't say I'm gonna say it, saying that Microsoft should add 378 00:26:53.279 --> 00:27:00.000 now that they've purchased activisiony should put Spider Man two on Game Pass on Friday. 379 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:07.680 Fucking down. You could plush Spider Man two on Xbox I'd be down. 380 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:14.480 That game is rare? Is still uh ship? Well? Any closing 381 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.680 thoughts on Spider Man two. I know, like you y'all said, some 382 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.440 of the best moments are tough to talk about because though they're inherently tied to 383 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.680 spoilersh things. There's one moment in particular that they do that I was like, 384 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.119 Ah, they did the thing that I was Yeah, A lot of 385 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.319 that is exactly what I'm talking about, because I'm just like, are they 386 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.759 going to do that? That'd be really cool and they do it and you're 387 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.680 like, is it just a bunch of Spider Man pointing at each other? 388 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.680 Because if that happens, The're gonna blow my brain. They do also do 389 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.720 that. Actually, yes, that was funny, like the first three times, 390 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.720 and now I feel like every Spider Man things like well yeah, yeah, 391 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.720 I mean okay, yeah, but you get it. They do a 392 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.240 little cute thing where I'm in the like side activities when you're just like fighting 393 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.759 random crimes, sometimes like the other Spider Man will show up and help you, 394 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.119 and I'm like, oh, that's cute. And then like sometimes they'll 395 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.880 like sit there and be like, hey, good job, and they'll like 396 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.640 do the thing where they point at each other. And then the other one 397 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.640 was like, is it away? That's cute? Anything else? Jordan? 398 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.240 Uh, I don't know how you do it, Insomniac. The fact that 399 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.200 you've put out so many bangers in like the past five years. I hope 400 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:23.799 everyone there is okay, uh, please talk to please talk to PlayStation and 401 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:30.960 convince them that you should uh reboot Infamous because you do a really good job 402 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.440 at it. Yeah. Uh. There were the few people that I feel 403 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.960 like are almost like still keeping up that like old school video game cadence of 404 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.480 like just putting out games constantly in a way that I don't know how they 405 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.119 do it. Like yeah, I'm like, like I'm happy about it because 406 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:45.880 like I I like miss those days where it's just like, oh man, 407 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.519 you get like a new get, like a new Alese game every like one 408 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.680 or two years. Like, but I'm also just like you guys, all 409 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.960 right, because like game development is like there's a reason why that doesn't happen 410 00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.359 anymore. Yeah, still coming. I'm excited. Did have a little there's 411 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.480 a Wolverine skin in the game. It was a little Easter eggs skins are 412 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.119 cool. The different suits, oh yeah, I've seen I've seen various suits 413 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.440 you can get. Yeah, there's some cool suits. Oh. Also, 414 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:12.920 I didn't really talk about it. I don't need to go in depth because 415 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.039 spoilers, but like the set pieces are genuinely like yeah crazy anyway, Like 416 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.240 yeah, like they're really impressive. Like there's some stuff on this like wow, 417 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.799 there's one bit that they just straight up ripped off from another game they 418 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.759 did, but in a way that I was like, yeah, I was 419 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.400 like that's cool. You should do that, Like you should do that more. 420 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.640 You should do that more in its players in the cut scene so often 421 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.319 should be convicted. I wish more developers did what in Sonic did. I 422 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.359 assume it's really fucking hard, which is why more developed probably don't do it. 423 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.559 But it's yeah, but like it's really cool, like the amount of 424 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.759 like I'm actually playing this moment. And then also like they do use the 425 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.039 the like fast loading, like you can zip around like they do it in 426 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.960 the gameplay as well, like not just like a flex with the loading like 427 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.160 some there are some scenes where it's like they were able to do cool things 428 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.400 in gameplay because they were able to like zip around the city. And I 429 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.480 was like, that's right. I like to hear that that's cool, like 430 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.720 you know, so yeah cool. I'ms up Insomniac. You did a good 431 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.920 job. Yeah, good game. Marvel spider Man two PS five exclusive eight 432 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:25.079 out of ten Great games dot Com. Like I said earlier, Jordan Ramay's 433 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.720 review is up on the site. You can read all that if you want 434 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.319 all the details, or it can rewind what you were just listening to and 435 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.559 listen to us talk about it all over again. Get us more, more, 436 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.240 more views, more listens, you know what I'm saying. But uh, 437 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.440 yeah, that's coming out soon. That's what next week. From the 438 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:47.359 recording of this. By the time you're listening to this, you can you 439 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.480 can buy my Marvel Spider Man two. You can get your favorite Yankee fitted 440 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.279 on your north face and your tims stomp on the streets of New York and 441 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:11.079 hop on that game. But that's not the only game that has has been 442 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.240 a banger in the recent weeks of reviews. The same day, oh ship, 443 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.319 Yeah, it's coming out the same day is as I mentioned earlier, 444 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:26.519 Super Mario. I was gonna say, Marvel Super Mario Bros. Yeah, 445 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:33.039 speaking of ips that the owner is very very hands on with is Mario and 446 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.119 Mario Wonder the new two D Mario Nintendo Switch exclusive is going to be out 447 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.599 by the time you're listening to this. And there is also a review on 448 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:45.279 site from the lovely Steve Watts nine out of ten, which I mean was 449 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:52.559 what what was? It was? Superb the superb game and superb Mario Brothers 450 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.519 Wonder the fuck ad Man. But yeah, for everything from my I've seen 451 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.279 of that game has been lovely. I've been keeping up with the previews and 452 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.519 yeah, Steve reviewed it, but on this panel of guests or panel of 453 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.440 people we have on the podcast, Jacob Decker's had hands on with it, 454 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.839 did you play it all? No? No, no, I got preloaded 455 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.680 though, I like last night, I got myself ready nice. Oh yeah 456 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.200 nine o'clock tonight. Yeah, beyond that, but yeah, So give us 457 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.799 your top level thoughts. Jake on Super Mario Bros. Wonder Uh. It 458 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.279 it's very good. I mean that's top level thoughts. It is a very 459 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.319 good Mario platformer. It is the first two D platformer in a very long 460 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:39.160 time for Mario, not including like Mario Maker. Yeah. Uh, and 461 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.480 I think it it's kind of weird coming after Mario Maker because Mario Maker was 462 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.759 like infinite Mario stages and some were really good, some were bad, some 463 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.240 were meme, some were bullshit. It's a lot of bulls, but it's 464 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.519 kind of nice to go back to like focused Nintendo level design. And then 465 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.079 you factor in the whole Wonder effect, which is optional in any of the 466 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.279 stages. You don't have to get it, but you can get it, 467 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.440 and it'll dramatically shake things up in very unpredictable ways. I think Steve mentioned 468 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.400 his review there are a couple wonder effects that do repeat, but usually they're 469 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.559 the ones that have enough juice there to squeeze more levels out of. But 470 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.319 yeah, just the wildest shit happens. You just get it, and the 471 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.119 whole course changes, the music changes, the vibe changes. It's really cool. 472 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.759 It definitely makes each stage feel super interesting because, like I think it 473 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.880 in Steve Steve's review, I'll set of like every four minutes there is something 474 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:40.359 crazy that happens, and it makes it hard to stop playing. One thing 475 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.720 that I didn't get to experience a lot of those is the multiplayer, which 476 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.799 in Steve's he said was really cool because I just didn't think it worked, 477 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.160 but apparently because early play, I was like, oh, it's probably just 478 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.559 not the service probably aren't enough yet. Sure, but apparently they were. 479 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.720 And then when I finally figured that out, the servers are down for maintenance, 480 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.799 so I didn't really get to try. Yeah it at least online. 481 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:07.839 I did local multiplayer, but yeah, I'm super impressed by it. I'm 482 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:13.679 having a good time. I I feel like I'm not like super nostalgic for 483 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.039 two D Mario in particular, I feel like most the first Mario game I 484 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.480 played was sixty four, and then I played Sunshine, and then I played 485 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.920 like it was a while before I actually sat down and played at two D 486 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.679 Mario games. I don't think I have the same reverence or appreciation for two 487 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:34.400 D Mario. So I don't know if it spoke to me quite as much 488 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.079 as Steve. I know Steve really liked it, and I imagine a lot 489 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.280 of people are really gonna like it, but for me, I definitely prefer 490 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:49.079 the three D side That said, still very good. It is, it 491 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.440 is very colorful, it is all the power ups are great, they all 492 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.280 they all feel very interesting and useful and just change up the course enough. 493 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.960 And then they've added badges as we well, which can also mix things up, 494 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:08.519 and basically badges are sometimes passive, sometimes more active buffs to your character 495 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.320 that you can equip at the beginning of a stage and you can get like 496 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.440 a higher jump, or you can get an easier wall jump, or you 497 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.360 can swim faster, things like that, which add a nice twist on a 498 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.679 lot of stages. Yeah, it seems like that's the route that they would 499 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.840 have to go for two D Mario. I mean, yeah, for a 500 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.199 first glance, you I think they will make another two D Mario. How 501 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.199 much more can they possibly do to the formula? But combined with just like 502 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.079 the precision of Nintendo's level design, with a bunch of these little little tweaks 503 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:43.599 and twists along the way, it seems like it's very much a worthy endeavor. 504 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.239 I have some reverence for the old two D Marios. I think the 505 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.719 first one I played like. It's one of those things where Super Mario World 506 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.079 was one of the few games I had as a kid. So I just 507 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.280 like beat that game five times through. Oh sure you will really like this 508 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.760 than I bet? Okay, Sure, all right. Steven his review pointed 509 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.199 out that it is it feels like a success for to World, just in 510 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.159 how it sort of like wacky different. It kind of feels compared to everything 511 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.079 that led up to So I I think you'll really like it. Oh hell 512 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:17.280 yeah yeah. Because since since World, though, I played many many Mario 513 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:21.079 games two D Marios, three D Marios, and I was always like, 514 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:25.039 ah, but World is still World is still that game for me. Like 515 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.639 the three D Land stuff I thought was cool, but I wasn't super into 516 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.639 it. A lot of stuff that came out on DS and three DS three 517 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.960 Marios kind of. I've I mean, I like Odyssey, Sunshine is still 518 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.840 my favorite. Hell, yah, Sunshine is your favorite. I don't think 519 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.400 i've ever heard someone say Sunshine. I've heard too many people say that and 520 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.119 we out. So I didn't know that Sunshine was supposed to like supposedly needed. 521 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.320 And then then I came when I came to game Spot like years ago, 522 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.639 I'm like, oh, people don't like Sunshine. Yeah, I'm like 523 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.719 legitimately like that game. The game is Janki's fuck. But that game is 524 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:07.079 all vibes bro del pinal Plas. Yeah, that music, that man that 525 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.440 shits stuck in my head all throughout middles. I love that shit so much. 526 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.679 But yeah, it's it's been a while since we've had a bespoke Mario 527 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.960 game. Uh, thinking back now, odyssely, it's been six years since 528 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.920 Odyssey. It's been six years since Odyssey, and then I think the last 529 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:30.079 two D Mario was like one of the new Super Mario games ONU. Obviously 530 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.880 they re released him on Switch and then they released three D Land on Switch 531 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.320 as well, but but still I didn't realize it had been that long. 532 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.039 Yeah, so it was definitely time and you know, it seems like a 533 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.559 long time, but I feel like the leap from those games to this game 534 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.719 makes sense, not in terms of like graphics, but like just in terms 535 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.760 of design and like the the the I don't want to say gimmis because it 536 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:58.960 sounds bad, but all the gimmicks that they came up with, I feel 537 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.880 like they couldn't have done that in like a couple of years. You know, 538 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.079 like a lot of that was probably a lot of new blood, new 539 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.079 talent, a lot of like evaluating old game, what worked, what didn't, 540 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.039 how can we approve change things up? So all that shows. I 541 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.519 mean it is like it is a beautiful package. I mean like it's just 542 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.840 firing on all cylinders, I feel like. But yeah, for me, 543 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.599 it's just like I don't have the same reverence for this two D Mario game. 544 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.480 So like I'm not like, like I imagine a lot of people are 545 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.880 gonna sit down and play through this game in like two sittings, But for 546 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.000 me, I was like very bite size, like I do a couple of 547 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.840 stages, stop, do a couple of stages stop. Also part of it 548 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.679 is because I have to collect everything in each stage, so yeah, I'll 549 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.119 replay stages a bunch, then I'll wear myself out and have to step away. 550 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.719 Yeah, well that's I'm happy for for y'all who are who've been looking 551 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.800 forward to this game. Uh Tam also did were Tam and Lucy. I 552 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.880 think they did an interview with one of the designers or a couple of the 553 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:58.000 designers for Wonder and so you mentioned like new blood with new ideas who aren't 554 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.159 necessarily tied to the old ways. Whatever kind of highlights that as well, 555 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.800 So that shines some light on like how you end up with a game like 556 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.239 Wonder that does seem like Mario. Mario's doing shrooms now, oh yeah, 557 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.800 here's the game. Yeah. Some of the Wonder effects are so crazy too. 558 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.280 I don't want to spoil them in the video. In the video review, 559 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.000 we definitely showed some and obviously there's some trailers, but like that barely 560 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.679 scratched the surface, and we are so weird, like like just so bizarre, 561 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.440 and I'm like okay, like and a lot of them, like some 562 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.880 of them are hard, but a lot of them are just like, Okay, 563 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.000 I guess this is what I'm doing for the next thirty seconds, just 564 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.320 like a visual feast it's cool, it's cool, it's very good. Oh 565 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.760 that that has to be even more intrigued to give this a shot. So 566 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.960 but yeah, any other final thoughts you want to share, Jordan, John 567 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.039 Luke, anything you want to bring up about Super Mario before we talk about 568 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.119 Actually you know what now that were Tom Momorrio. I'm just reminded of another 569 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.719 A two D legend who just came out with a game this month as well. 570 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.280 Yeah, Sonic. You heard me talking about last week. Oh oh 571 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.159 that's right, Yeah, you're already talking about Sonic. Yeah, I don't 572 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.920 like that game. Probably I'm the crazy one that I think I'm the hater 573 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:12.239 because everyone else on everyone else's Sonic fans they were all like, yeah, 574 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.840 it's pretty good, and I was like, you people are crazy, this 575 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.719 game is terrible. Kind of right. No, I'm not a Sonic, 576 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.000 but I don't hate Sonic, and I always come in. I come in 577 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:27.079 a Sonic with an open heart and an open mind. I'll be like, 578 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:32.239 I will let Sonic into my life. Lets me down. John Luketier defense. 579 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.400 A lot of people are like, oh, it's great, I love 580 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.880 this game, it's so good. But and then they list like a bunch 581 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.800 of issues that they have with it, and I'm like, so did you 582 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.039 actually like and there like, oh yeah, I totally liked it. I'm 583 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:52.880 like, man, Sonic fans are just different. Even our reviewer, longtime 584 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.760 reviewer on games, but she liked that game. But she was definitely like 585 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.519 she straight up says I think she's straight says like listen, I'm Sonicic. 586 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.559 Yeah, and maybe my my, you know, I might enjoy it despite 587 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:10.400 itself. Yeah. And also my opinion of that game was very colored with 588 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:17.400 the co ops specifically where I was just like, I think it's bad Sonic 589 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.840 game doesn't seem fun. Yeah, just logistically doesn't seem like not fun. 590 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.280 I did not think you'd be right. Jacob, Well, I uh, 591 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.159 we did the preview, and I'm over the years of working here at GameSpot, 592 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:39.639 I have seen uh firsthand, like Sonic fans. It's it's it's it's 593 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.239 really weird. Even Game Awards was two years ago when they're doing the fan 594 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.400 voting, it was like between that was two years ago. I think that 595 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:53.159 was like versus like Sonic Frontiers for like the fan vote or whatever, and 596 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.119 that was that was like one of the moments where I saw what the Sonic 597 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:05.239 fans were saying, and they are a different different Oh my god, Like 598 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:10.480 they are so ingrained in the like the culture of so it feels like a 599 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:19.880 cult if you're in the Sonic cult. I'm not hating. I'm just yeah, 600 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.000 yeah, it just you know, good or bad, it just is. 601 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.199 But and I like read what the people are the discourses around these Sonic 602 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.719 games, and they're just like, I want to know y'all are different. 603 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.760 I want to know the pathway to become a Sonic sic of like what is 604 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.400 it? Because I loved Sonic Adventure. To me on GameCube, I played 605 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.440 that game so much. I mostly just to take care of the chows, 606 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.800 but I remember redoing. I thought Shadow was so dope, and I'm like, 607 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.800 this game is different and you were on that path exactly. And then 608 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.880 I think what it was was I love that game so much, and Sonic 609 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.159 Heroes came out and I was like, I cannot wait for this game. 610 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.360 Most anticipated game, went to games stop, got it, came back, 611 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:06.760 played like three stages like is this game bad? And then like two thousand 612 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.320 and six, because for a lot of people that that was mine. That 613 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.400 was the breaking point, like I can't do this don't Shadow of the Hedgehog. 614 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:19.199 That was just that Shadow because I was that just weird angsty team that's 615 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.159 like, yeah, this is fucking cool, Shadows shooting people with guns the 616 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.360 coolest thing ever. And then yeah, yeah, it turns out the game 617 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.840 is bad. I do have a distinct memory of like being at the best 618 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.559 mind seeing like the Kiosk and they had like Shadow of the Hedgehog. Yeah 619 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.280 that was just like baffled, but also intrigued because I was like getting a 620 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.280 gun and a motorcycle because I'm like twelve or whatever, and I'm just going 621 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.440 to run faster the motorcycle. Oh well, he's got a girlfriend too, 622 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.440 right? Does he have a girlfriend? In Shadow the Head was out there 623 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:54.239 slaying Puss. That's the title. But yeah, I snapped out of it. 624 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.880 I feel like, but imagine if like I'm glad you I forced myself 625 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.239 through Heroes and I was like this is good actually, and then but I 626 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.559 feel like they just compound. Like what Jordan's saying. I feel like, 627 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.599 even if I did play through Heroes and enjoy it and make it to six 628 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:08.719 and play it, I feel like there's no way I would have been like 629 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:14.440 like die hard, like I'll ride or die for Sonic and anything. If 630 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.119 you say one thing bad about Sonic, the Internet's coming for us. We 631 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.760 are We're cooked. Remember those like five years where Sega was just trying everything 632 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.880 they could with Sonic, Like there was the one where Sonic had like a 633 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.480 magic ring and he was connected to genies. Then that was followed up by 634 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.199 the Dark so like King Arthur with like a sword. Yeah, it was 635 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.639 like Sonic like the Black Night or whatever it was called. Fuck. Yeah, 636 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.320 there was the one where they gave you your own oc you could make 637 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:47.719 yo. Oh yeah that one came out. Yeah, I played that at 638 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.320 games Spot because I remember Peter asked me to capture it and I played like 639 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.679 twenty minutes the whole night. I was like I can't, I can't do 640 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:58.920 it. That one also had like a persona five DLC skin package. Yes 641 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.880 maybe they got Yeah. Yeah, Sonic Mania is like the only thing that 642 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.000 I've heard about in recent memory that has like which is yeah, yeah, 643 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.239 Sonic Mania is genuinely good, which is why I came into Superstars with a 644 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.000 with an open mind, because I was like, I love Mania and like 645 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.320 maybe two D Sonic's just the one for me. But like as I was 646 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.239 like, this just not really hitting the same way. I hate to see 647 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.639 it. Yeah, because we played at SGF and we did that preview video 648 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.199 and also yeah, I was trying to be I was. I was very 649 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.360 much like youlls for that one to d Sonic, which you know, it's 650 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.840 there's merit to it, there's just sure, right. I don't want to 651 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.719 I don't want to be judgmental of well off of like a like a thirty 652 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.039 minute play session. But I was watching a friend play it. Uh they 653 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.800 I will not snitch who they are, where they got it from, but 654 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.679 they were playing a copy of Sonic Superstars before the street date. Wow, 655 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.599 detailers out there wild. But I was watching, and you know, I 656 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:00.800 played for preview and then I'm watching this. I'm watching some of the boss 657 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.599 fights. I'm like, oh, the boss fights are ah, ain't it? 658 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.199 Man? At least the ones that I saw, No, they're not 659 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:14.079 very good. The did they encounter any bugs? Because I encountered like a 660 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.440 fair amount of game brands I watched. I watched them play for like two 661 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.440 hours straight, and I was like, oh, mesmerized. No, we 662 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:24.840 we had like a I mean I talked about the podult but we were having 663 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:29.599 bugs. Were like it would just like warp us to like a different area 664 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:35.239 and then like we'd fall through the floor or like the in the water, 665 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:38.920 it would it would keep thinking we would like leave a water level, or 666 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.199 we'd be in a water level and you'd like leave the water, and then 667 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.920 it would still think you're underwater, so you'd still be moving super slow, 668 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.880 and then a timer would count down and then you would fucking die even though 669 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.079 you were in the water. And that would happen multiple times. And there's 670 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.639 this hilarious clip where like we beat the boss, Georgia died and then like 671 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.719 in the cut scene, sponsor back in and while the cut scene is playing, 672 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.039 the like, hey you beat the level like it starts doing and then 673 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:14.719 your character dies, Like like I have all that recorded too, but I 674 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.239 was like stuff like that. I was just like, come on, come 675 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.159 on, Sonic damn Sonic Superstars. Man, Hey, if you love it, 676 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.199 good for you. I'm happy for you. Genuinely, Sonic. The 677 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.960 quality of Sonic Superstars depends on who you ask, depends on how you ask, 678 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.599 depends on what you ask. True for every game, though, you 679 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:39.079 know, if you really thinking about Sonic so different Yeah, that review is 680 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:42.400 up on site seven out of ten from Heidi kemps. So if you want 681 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.920 to learn more about if you if you're into Sonic, you know, maybe 682 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.280 maybe it'll be up your alley. But from what I've seen, it is 683 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.719 not in mine, and it is not in Jean Luke's. Apparently, maybe 684 00:47:52.760 --> 00:48:00.039 it'll be in Jordan's. So stay tuned for Jordan's thoughts. Briefly, Uh 685 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.280 surprise, hit that is up my alley. That might end up in my 686 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.559 top ten. I'm almost done with it. Fucking lies of P, dude, 687 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:09.199 lies of P. I talked about it, Yeah, we talked about 688 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.760 it. Yeah, yeah. How much more deeper are you in it? 689 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.480 I'm I think I'm in the last two areas. I just beat the baron 690 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.199 Swamp. I don't know what that is than you. Oh damn, all 691 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.400 right, yeah I went hard. Do you are you paying attention to, 692 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.079 like when you're at the Star Gazer and your fast fast traveling, are you 693 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.119 paying attention to what the the number is the act numbers are? Oh yeah, 694 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.559 I think it's like what's yours at Let's see if the last one was 695 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.880 it might be like eight or nine. Okay, I'm on five so oh 696 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.920 okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, no, I don't 697 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.119 think I'm halfway through because I know that that game is very long. I 698 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:47.639 think it's got like eleven total, okay, Jesus. The like halfway point 699 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.840 is probably the opera house. That's probably like the halfway or over the halfway 700 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:57.159 point. It's kind of like the halfway point in the story where it's sort 701 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:01.880 of like then it like pivot to like you like complete like the first I 702 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.440 guess, like initial task, and then it's like all right, and then 703 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:07.880 here's like the here's who the real villain is and okay, I'm almost It 704 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.480 kind of pulls a blood born ish okay in that sense, I saw, 705 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.039 I saw a thing happen. I just got done with the cathedral. Cathedral 706 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.519 all that part's sick. That part is sick. So give you a wild 707 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.679 cut scene. I'm like, oh shit, I was fucking that. That 708 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.039 has some like that's where like the blood borniness like comes in where you're just 709 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.519 like, oh, like you think it's one thing, but then like really 710 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.760 it's like this other shit happened. I was fucking high at ship though, 711 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.039 so I don't remember what happened to that, and I should watch that I 712 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.079 fucking one shot at the Cathedral boss and that Oh it was crazy, Like 713 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.880 I fucking downloaded this game, dog, But it was super fun to figure 714 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:44.320 that out. It's like really satisfying still, even though it wasn't the hardest 715 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.199 boss. Yeah, because well, like before I was talking about how you 716 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.800 combine multiple powers, and then now that I'm deeper in it, now, 717 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.800 I'm now I have like a build or I have like go to strategies that 718 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.000 I can use. It's like using my fable arts. Then I could do 719 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.800 like a charge attack and then I stagger them and then I get like the 720 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.000 fatal fatal attack and then they just fucking wail on them as they're trying to 721 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.840 Yeah, I already got this boss down to like twenty five percent health in 722 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.800 one shot. No, dude, I got this. Uh have you gotten 723 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.719 the the guy who sells you like the special weapons yet? Oh? Yeah, 724 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.039 yeah, the the Fox, the fox he sells you. Yeah. 725 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.079 So I got like one of those, and it's like a scythe and has 726 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.760 this like heavy move where like the sythe, the like the top disattaches like 727 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.000 a little like hook and so you can like swing it at people with a 728 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.800 heavy attack and then yeah, like I boosted my like stat my p organs, 729 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:36.119 but I can do like heavy attack stacker, so I'll just like swing 730 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.000 that ship and like hit him in the head and stagger him and then I 731 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.280 can run it. And oh man, that is satisfying, very satisfied. 732 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.639 Fuck yeah, I love swinging around my p organs. Very satisfy. Yeah, 733 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.800 I doesn't I need to play. I feel obligated to try Lords of 734 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.320 the fall in to compare the two, but just I feel like I can 735 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.760 already tell just by looking at Lords of the Fallen I'm not gonna like it. 736 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:06.880 The reviews were on Lords of the Fallen, so Phil who it for 737 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.760 us? Phil like it? Philip Hornshaw, he is back on the case. 738 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.280 Five out of ten, five out of ten. Yeah, but I 739 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:19.039 saw other reviews like eight like and gave it an eight. I don't know. 740 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.639 I played a little bit of Eliza p and I thought it was good. 741 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.079 But I feel like I've only got space for from software games. I 742 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.320 don't think I can do. I think that was my realization where everyone's like, 743 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:30.960 yeah, Lisip is so good, like this might be the thing, 744 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.519 and then I play it and I was like, I just want to play 745 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.320 blood Worm though, and then I yeah, I feel stopped. Yeah, 746 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:37.599 I feel like that's where a lot of people land. What you either, 747 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.320 this is like, oh my god, this is the first thing I've been 748 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.320 playing. I want to have been playing since uh since blood Boar coment came 749 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:45.320 out that hits the right same notes, and other people are like, well, 750 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.519 it hits the same melts, and I'm yeah, totally, oh yeah, 751 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:51.400 I'm definitely in that first camp where it's like there's just something about them. 752 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.239 Yeah, this is like it's scratching that itch that I've been wanting. 753 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:59.159 Yeah, full time. Yeah, I really like I'm going to stick with 754 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:00.760 it because I know that you know, came in a while ago, so 755 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.320 you know, like that it drags on on and on and on for a 756 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.440 very long time. Yeah, I'm at the point where I'm like, Okay, 757 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:12.920 it's game is starting to outstates welcome a little bit. But I like 758 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.800 it's like I'm five hours. Yeah, I'm like twenty six hours. And 759 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:17.519 like I said, I think I have two more areas. I don't know 760 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.480 how long they are. I've heard that the I heard some people say the 761 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.840 last couple of areas are like a little longer than the others, so maybe 762 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.880 it'll really start to drag for me. But despite that, I'm still like 763 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.480 the should still like it's still good. Yeah, it's still good now. 764 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.440 But yeah, I'm I played more last night, like I said, and 765 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.960 I was just like, yeah, I'm super into this, so yeah, 766 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.880 that's cool. Li's p I'm surprised too, like it's gonna be in my 767 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.199 top ten. Yeah, I was not expecting. I didn't. Yeah, 768 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.280 I didn't expect either. So Lords of the Fall and now that Jordan brought 769 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.480 it up, or that Jake brought off got fuck. I can't remember what 770 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.599 happened five minutes ago but actually brought but yeah, I think I brought it 771 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.880 up. I previewed that game actually sows on site. You can see what 772 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.639 Phil says about it five a time, like y'all mentioned. But I did 773 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.320 play a little bit of that game, and that was before I got into 774 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:13.000 ISIP. So I think the main thing for Lords of the Fall, at 775 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.400 least in my experience, is that you need a lot of patience for that 776 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.480 game because it is it's uh. Phil speaks to this in his review, 777 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.119 and I think it's the thing that he latched onto is that that game is 778 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.840 extremely tedious with its enemy design because enemies just have so much health, so 779 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.039 it's just really a slog to get through one place or the other. Like 780 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.760 there's a thing about these kinds of games where you feel vulnerable and enemies are 781 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.599 dangerous, and there's another thing when it's another thing when enemies just don't fucking 782 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:46.639 die. Yeah, You're like, no, I've downloaded the strat, I 783 00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:51.559 know how to do this, but it just becomes like an endurance test and 784 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.199 it's just like that's not what this yeah, and it's like that's not fun, 785 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.679 that's not rewarding. You're like, no, no, no, I 786 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:59.199 can do it. I just can't do it for like thirty fucking minutes straight 787 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.400 because it's like, especially like when you lead with that sort of design, 788 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:07.199 it's super frustrating, you know, Like like there are examples in like Bloodborne, 789 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.719 Elder Ring, Dark Souls where it's like there are bosses that feel like 790 00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.000 endurance runs. Sure, but I feel like at that point, yeah, 791 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.079 I feel like at that point it's like, all right, I've already bought 792 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.920 into this, like I've figured it out, like I'm gonna make this work, 793 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.639 but I feel like it's really tough to make that balance and that pacing 794 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:29.119 payoff in a way that doesn't feel frustrating or doesn't, you know, cause 795 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.320 you to stop playing. Like That's kind of why I haven't checked out Lords 796 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.639 of the Fallen either, just because I was like, I'll probably play this 797 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.760 game for like a couple hours and get to a boss that I'm like, 798 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.400 I don't want to do this, Yea. The feeling I feel that way 799 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.519 because like that is something that I think LIESIP does extremely well. Is like 800 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.519 every you know, the bosses are tough, they hit hard, but you 801 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.079 can get them, but you hit hard back, and so yeah, it 802 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.199 feels it doesn't feel insurmountable, you know. You're just like it's like, 803 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.159 oh no, no, I just got to get good at like the patterns 804 00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.360 and the dodging and there, and then i' I was I was getting really 805 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.719 frustrated with the with the fire robot, but I think that was actually one 806 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.679 of the more interesting boss fights that I've experienced so far. Is just like 807 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.840 the I mean, there's some seeing things that are very frustrating about it, 808 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.599 but like the design of that move set is actually like pretty creative, and 809 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.480 I was like, oh yeah, yeah, this is like reading the patterns 810 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.840 in the subtleties between when they swing horizontally or when they do it like a 811 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.159 smash whatever. Like those things are really fun to decipher in the moment. 812 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.360 And like you said, the reason why lies P works is because you are 813 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.000 as dangerous as they are too. So it's kind of like it's not like 814 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.880 this David and Goliath type thing. It's like, no, we're both like 815 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.400 matched up in a way because like I said, I got fable arts, 816 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.800 I got my arm I got my pee organs. You know what I'm saying, 817 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.079 I got my charge attacks. That The thing about lies P is that 818 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.719 there's so many tools that you can use, and when you figure out how 819 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.360 to use them, it's like, oh no, no, as long as 820 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.440 I'm it's all that I'm paying attention, Yeah, I can get through this. 821 00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.800 Also, I think you're at the point where they're going to give you 822 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:07.000 a uh option. Yes, actually like very painless to do, like it 823 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.599 like the requirement for it's not bad at all, and so like I totally 824 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:13.679 like respect and I was like, oh now I'm cooking, Like, uh 825 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.159 yeah, I'm actually curious. Well, next time you play, I want 826 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.239 to hear what you think of the next boss you're gonna do because that was 827 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.119 probably my least favorite of all the bosses in the game, but still it's 828 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:28.599 still a good boss. It's just like it's that and it's it's my least 829 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.119 favorite boss in like from software games in general, like I just don't like 830 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.840 that type of boss encounter. Well, I will see you very soon. 831 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.000 But yeah, those are the video games of the week. I do want 832 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:44.079 a shot why I mentioned the earlier World of Horror is now out out of 833 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.400 early access, and I played that early access of that. It's like a 834 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:53.039 it's a one bit juji Eto style RPG, some real deranged ship and one 835 00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:58.760 bit one bit yeah, because that's it's all. It's monochrome. Oh is 836 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:04.800 that is that? Actually? What? One bit? Not one? Yeah? 837 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:08.400 Pixel two bit because it's all black and white. That game was made 838 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:13.119 with MS paint, like all the artwork was made. I didn't know that, 839 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.159 so that is It's really cool. It's an RPG, it's a horror 840 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.800 RPG, and there's some real fun up ship that happens in that. That 841 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.719 is now available on PC now and I think next week it's coming out on 842 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:28.320 Switch, Xbox and PlayStation. So if you want to play a spooky game 843 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.679 for Halloween season. I highly yeah, I highly recommend a World of Horror. 844 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.679 So so the video games this week? Anything else you want to share, 845 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:43.599 Jordan? Before we peace out? Uh No, that's I about to 846 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.400 say. I've just been busy with the Assassin's screen and Spider Man's I'm just 847 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.440 now looking forward to catching up on games and everything else and things like that. 848 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.480 Yeah, Jordan, Jordan has been on the grind. Yeah, I 849 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.599 know you had a break. Yeah, you had Assaddin Street and uh and 850 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.840 Spider Man at the same time. So let's let this boy play some play 851 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.639 some other video games in the meantime. So yeah, but anyway, that 852 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.480 is this week's episode, Jordan, anything else you want to shout out? 853 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:16.840 Where can people find you? Folks can find me on Twitter and the Blue 854 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:23.559 Skys all the social not calling it x Jake, I'll be long dead in 855 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:29.199 the ground before I call it x J M M. That's our A M 856 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:37.079 E E coming up from me. Uh. It is almost new Apex Legend 857 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:42.239 season. They just tease the new legend that's coming in the new season today. 858 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:49.480 We're finally getting a Filipino added to the roster. What the no way? 859 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:54.840 I was like I was thinking, balal, wait, hold on Apex 860 00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:00.000 legend, bro, you gotta put me on dog. She's so cute. 861 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.599 She has this like cute, little like round face. She's described as like 862 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:08.440 this tiny little Titan of the Warrior. But yeah, they released her first 863 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:14.440 trailer today and it's clear that they put like a lot of research into making 864 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.519 sure to represent her culture and like her design and her family life and things 865 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.280 like that. So excited to like jump into that. You can expect to 866 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:29.159 see articles, videos. I don't know APEX coverage from me in the coming 867 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:34.719 weeks. Damn what if? What if it is she she dropping this month? 868 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.559 Uh, they haven't announced the official start date for it. I think 869 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:44.079 it's either gonna be like the end of this month or like the first week 870 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:49.719 of November, so like around Halloween ish okay, because it's it's Filipino American 871 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.559 History Month this month, So if, if, if they should drop it 872 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.480 this month, So they drop it, like listen, Apex Lesghones became year. 873 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.559 You know what I'm saying. We're running back. Hell yeah, I'm 874 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:05.119 glad that you told me that, Jordan. So everyone pay attention to Apex 875 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.360 coverage on GameSpot dot com from Jordan. That's what's up, man, Jean 876 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:15.199 Luke. You can find men John Sepke if you want, uh well, 877 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.800 no, go go check out that Spider Man video review. Jordan did a 878 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.719 great review and I cut it. Also got tips for that. If that's 879 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:30.039 your thing, I'm interested. Nine things you wish you knew, And yeah, 880 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.519 I got a couple other games I've been playing that I can't talk about. 881 01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.519 Well, we'll talk about next week. Sure it'd be cool. And 882 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:45.440 Jacob Decker go check out my Bald Skate three review. Yes, right that 883 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.719 it took a lot of hours, a lot of time, two hundred hours 884 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.480 still even playing the game. To be fair, I didn't play two hundred 885 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.199 hours for review, all right. I like had started playing a bunch of 886 01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.400 it, and then late in the game I figured out I was doing a 887 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.960 review. And then the video review goes up very soon, So if you 888 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.280 don't like to read, the video review should be up, like very very 889 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.360 soon. Max just put in the final or version two cut and it's very 890 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.800 good. It got me all hyped. Oh hell yeah, so yeah, 891 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:20.519 check that out and then I won't say too much, but John Luke and 892 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.079 I are working on one of the coolest projects I've ever worked on that GameSpot. 893 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:28.360 Yeah, and it's coming along. I don't want to say what it 894 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.480 is or when it's coming because I don't know. We have a lot of 895 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:36.239 footage to go through, so much footage. Yeah, but it'll definitely be 896 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.639 done before the year. Two hours of footage, yeah, twenty two hours 897 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:43.280 until you said eleven hours of well, no, eleven hours of interviews in 898 01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.880 twenty two hours of footage, right, Well, it's like twenty two hours 899 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:50.519 of footage, but consider two cameras, so probably like more like sure, 900 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.800 okay too, Yeah that's great. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, very 901 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:58.760 very excited for that. It's kind of been mot like I had we got 902 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.880 back from the trip, I had to do bove these Gate three review, 903 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.519 but it's kind of just been like in my head all the time. That's 904 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.880 all I've been thinking about. So I'm really excited to hell ya to share 905 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:14.320 that when the time comes. 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