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You don't be bad. It's the
Internet. You're busy. Let's do this

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for February sixteenth, twenty twenty four. For the next hour or so,

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let me help you sort through the
world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live

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with me Jeff Grubb today that Nintendo
Direct is probably still happening in the middle

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of February, and it's apparently already
time to start talking about next gen consoles.

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But first please join me and welcoming
today's co host the Game Mess Mornings.

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It's Jason Fanelli. Everybody. Jason, how are you doing. I'm

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great. Since the last time we've
spoken, I've gone through the largest generational

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change in history, just like Xboxville. Not really, I'm not really that

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interesting now. Things are good.
Just still trying to digest the potential something

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burger that that was yesterday. You've
got people saying it was nothing, got

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people saying it was something. It's
somewhere in between. Yeah, and we'll

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certainly just based on the rundown you
set me dissect a lot of it.

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Yeah. I mean, I have
a certain opinion that I think if I'm

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allowed to say, it's going to
get me in trouble. Oh, that's

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what I like to hear. We'll
say about that make some waves. Yeah,

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all that was definitely I think it
was a confirmation for whatever you wanted

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to hear. A lot of people
wanted to hear something they had it in

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their heads they're mad or they weren't
mad, or they want to say Xbox

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is dead or not dead. And
I think people could roar shark test that

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in any way that they wanted to. And yeah, there's definitely a lot

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of that going around. All right, let's see. You know, I'm

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supposed to I'm supposed to do this. I'm supposed to start moving this up

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for reasons. So let's do this
first and then we can have some more

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bands. Let's explain what we do
here most weekdays. I Jeff grubbelp piece

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You're gaming life back together. That
includes breaking news and maybe even some of

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our own original reporting. For all
these topics, I'll get the input of

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a bona fide expert who will make
me look smart. If you were watching

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You can also catch the show later
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Hello YouTube, Hello, there we
go. So, yes, what I'll

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probably do is I'm figuring this out
live in front of everybody. But that's

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the kind of show this is.
I'll probably move that up a little bit

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and I'll be like, Hey,
the aforementioned expert is Jason Faneli, Jason's

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joining me today, blah blah blah, and then we'll be like and then

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I can go, hey, Jason, looking good today. How are you

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feeling about that? Wrestling? I
think wrestling's pretty interesting right now. I

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am so excited that one of the
most interesting lead ups to WrestleMania in recent

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history is going to culminate right here
in Philadelphia. I cannot The closer we

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get, the more excited I get. Mania is going to be nuts.

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Only going to Night two right now, still trying to sneak my way into

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Night one somehow. But man,
man, the Rock is a heel.

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Is something I didn't know I wanted
until I had it. That's going to

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be so good tonight he comes back
on TV. He's going to cut a

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promo, a heel promo for the
first time, and gee, he tried

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to be heel when he was fighting
seeing it, but nobody was having that.

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So we're talking like twenty one years
maybe then since he's been an actual

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bona fide heel, yo, let's
go. It's gonna be a good time,

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all right. You know what,
we do have a lot to get

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into, so let's start the morning
mess with that Nintendo Direct is probably happening

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next week. It's still a partner
showcase, you know. I'll start by

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saying what I've always heard is,
and I've always said repeatedly, is I

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heard it's happening by the middle of
February. It might have been like around

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the middle of February. I think
when the other rumors started coming out and

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saying this week. I was definitely
like, yeah, maybe that. I

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don't know, but maybe, and
I definitely bought into them as well.

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And then it sounds like it probably
was supposed to happen this week because I

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did hear that it got delayed because
of the Xbox thing or you know what.

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I heard that they had that conversation. What they actually ended up deciding,

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I'm not privy to that. I
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they definitely had a conversation about moving
it because of the Xbox thing, and

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the only way they could have moved
it is if it was going to happen

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yesterday. Now it does seem like
it's happening next week. Pyoro is out

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on Twitter teasing it. I did
notice that Pioro, who's a really reliable

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leaker for Nintendo stuff, has,
as far as I could tell, never

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really got anything wrong when they do
decide to speak on something. He was

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like liking the tweet where I explained, Hey, that this thing was delayed,

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things like that. So and now
has confirmed separately that there's going to

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be a Partner Showcase next week.
Partner Showcase. Are you excited about that?

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Or do you think that implies that
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relatively soon, that they're saving for
that instead of like trying to force a

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direct to happen right now. It's
exactly where my thought process is. You

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don't put a Partner Showcase in your
normal February Nintendo direct slot unless you're going

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to follow it up with something a
little bit bigger, which tells me that

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maybe March or April, and this
is just prognosticating. Don't blame me for

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when this doesn't happen only only Jeff
Grubb has the ability to take away antendo

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directs gus only blame me only.
But I could see like a March or

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April if they're going to reveal the
next cont as seems to be the way

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they're going, if that would be
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when the Switch first came out.
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January blowout, and then it came
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that sounds about right. So I
would expect something like that now and a

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partner showcase is a good way to
appease the masses for lack of a better

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term, who are expecting the annual
February Nintendo direct to happen? Also too?

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What could Nintendo possibly have first party
that they wouldn't now be saving four

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switch to anyway? Right? So
if that if that, well that I

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mean, if that's a Switch to
launch title, Yeah, it probably is.

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Yeah, sorry, I'm just yes, I just want it. I

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just wanted it right now. Me
too, Me me too? That was

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what eighteen they first announced that.
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last like last week or the week
before that was the five year anniversary of

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them rebooting the development. Jees,
yeah, bitches messed up. Sean doesn't

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want me to give in and doesn't
want what doesn't want me to stop a

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leaving about Metroid Prime four coming primarily
to the switch. I'm just I'm losing

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hope because it's hard not to like
read things the way that you're laying it

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down, where it's like, we
get this partner showcase, because what games

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wouldn't Nintendo have to put in a
direct right now for the Switch one?

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They would of course be saving so
much for a switch to that we all

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primarily believe is coming out later this
year. I know there's some rumors out

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there about it's not co mental twenty
twenty five. I guess who the fuck

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knows. We'll see, but for
now, it's like, we assume it's

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coming probably later this holiday, and
if that's the case, well they're probably

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going to start rolling things up into
the marketing scheme for that, and a

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direct in February to kind of distract
from that when you're about to start having

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out those conversations would be in fact
a distraction. So yeah, it's hard

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for me not to lose faith that
Metroid Prime four is going to show pop

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up between now and when they our
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To, which could begin at any
moment. Now it feels like yes.

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And now that's not to say that
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be exclusive to switch To. Metroid
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Do I think that's going to happen? No? But is it possible just

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to keep your hopes up? Yeah, sure, I'll I'll patch your head

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for that, no problem. H
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like if you if we're gonna look
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couple of years from now, does
have the sort of impact that a normal

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Nintendo Direct would because this is the
one supposedly where Xbox is going to announce

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first party games for Nintendo. Yeah, I mean that historically will be a

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water could be at least a watershed
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and just to it started with you
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they tested the waters a little bit
and now we're coming to this and then

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who knows, maybe Metroid Prime five
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That sky's the limit, people,
and I think, I think putting

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a partner showcase with this sort of
announcement in it is a good it's a

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it's a good whistle wetter, which
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it's a good term, good term, good whistle wetter. So I'm hoping,

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I'm hoping that we're right about this
and we'll see some switch to action

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March April, especially if they're leading
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I would hate to see that wait
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like something they would do too,
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June for a couple of reasons.
I mean, the big, big,

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big thing is GDC is in March, and they're gonna they're gonna be at

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GDC and they're gonna be talking to
developers, and developers are gonna be talking

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to each other, and the ones
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development kits right now we'll begin talking
about. I mean, it does have

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this. Now's that I mean,
do you guys have one? Well,

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I mean if you don't, let
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about it. That shit's going to
start leaking a lot in March, So

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if you're Nintendo, that it's not
like that would be some crazy thing to

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begin the marketing in March, even
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and initial like here's what it is, here's a spec sheet, and the

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spec sheet's like pretty vague, but
it lines up with the leaks that would

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be coming out at GDC anyhow.
It lines up for those reasons in a

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lot of ways, and then you're
right, you're like this, this,

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this the partner showcase could still be
pretty interesting. I mean, I've heard

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from a couple people now there's at
least one Microsoft game in there, and

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I think we all can kind of
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we just saw from them yesterday.
And we'll get into the Xbox those here

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pretty soon. But you know,
it's it's probably it's probably Pentiment, maybe

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High Fi Rush, And it's like, okay, well, yeah, that's

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that is pretty exciting that that that's
happening. And there's plenty of game still

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to play on the Switch if you
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next month things really kick off.
Next month or maybe April, we'll see.

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Maybe they don't want to Overshadow Princess
Peach Showtime, which in this house

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is the biggest game release in a
decade if you ask my younger children.

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March March third would be an interesting
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it's the seven year anniversary of the
first Switch. The only problem is the

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Sunday. Is that something you do
on a Sunday? Yeah? Probably not.

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Yeah, so they don't like doing
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I don't blame them. So maybe
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week four, I mean they'll do
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yeah, maybe, or maybe they
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bit later when in the month when
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Switch and it's completely unrelated. Oh, it's all possible. We'll see at

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the very least, you know,
Nintendo Directions Partner showcase next week. We'll

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see if there's anything interesting in there. Could be some you know, beyond

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the things that we have had leak. Sounds like it could be just a

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pretty decent showcase and we'll be playing
some games out of there relatively soon,

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so that's nice. It would be
nice if it was if like Pentiment,

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it was like the Shadow Drop if
like that day, we claimed that that'd

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be great, and then you know
sparathought for the holiday folks. Let's see

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listen, they don't deserve rights.
What are you talking about? Xbox confirms

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it's bringing four games to rival platforms. Let's get into it. There's a

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lot of headlines from this, a
lot to talk about, and it's like

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you alluded to earlier, maybe in
some ways kind of something of a nothing

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burger and maybe a something burger.
Let's start here with Andy Robinson at VGC.

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Microsoft is confirmed that four unnamed Xbox
exclusives will be released on other platforms

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such as PlayStation five or Nintendo Switch. According to the Verge sources corroberated by

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VGC, those four games will be
Pentiment, Hi Fi, Rush, Sea

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of Thieves, and Grounded. The
news was announced as part of a new

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podcast designed to give an update on
plans for the Xbox business going forward,

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in which Gave Me Boss. Phil
Spencer claimed that the decision had been made

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to ensure quote the long term health
of Xbox. In the podcast, Spencer

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said that Starfield and Indiana Jones,
titles previously reported to be in consideration for

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PlayStation five would not be going to
a multi platform. In a separate interview

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with The Verge, the executive said
he wouldn't rule out the possibility for these

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titles to arrive on PS five in
the future. I don't think we should

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as an industry ever rule out a
game going to any other platform, he

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said in a quote. He also
claimed the four unnamed releases did not represent

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a change to our fundamental exclusivity strategy, and there was no promise beyond those

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titles coming to rival platforms. To
ensure long term success for both Xbox in

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the industry as a whole, we
must continue to evolve Xbox set. In

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a statement today, we announce that
we will expand the communities we reach.

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We are currently in the process of
bringing four Xbox games to other platforms.

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These are titles which have been available
to Xbox players for at least a year,

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including hidden gyms that deserve to be
experienced more widely, and live service

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games whose communities will benefit from welcoming
even more players. Let's start here.

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Yeah, Okay, this feels like
a step forward, as that is a

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further manifestation of the strategy that Xbox
was already pursuing in many ways. Is

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that accurate in your estimation? Yeah, this is just I guess I was

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saying in the last story. This
is just a continuation of things that they

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had already been slowly throwing things that
throwing darts at the board to see what

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sticks and what does it learning the
different the ecosystems at least of the switch

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PlayStation. Racking my brain to see
if there was any Microsoft publications there.

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I can't think of any off the
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like Ori on the Switch and Minecraft, Steve and Banjo and Smash Brothers.

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So maybe they started with the Smitch
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But yes, this is just the
next step in that plan. Is

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it the death of the brand as
the social media is told us it was

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leading up to this. No,
but it makes sense, like live service

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games being on more platforms just makes
sense. I understand the logic in all

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of this, two smaller games over
a year old, just to expose them

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to a new audience. I understand
the logic with these four games, and

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if these serve as the stepping stone
to other things later on, so be

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it. Do I think we're going
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on PlayStation. No, not at
the moment. But if that were to

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happen, would I be completely,
you know, falling on the floor shocked

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by it. No, because they're
laying the groundwork right here, so I'm

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not. I mean, honestly,
more players, as they've said, is

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a good thing. More players playing
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only real controversy will be the ones
who have, you know, dug their

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flags in the sand for their respective
consoles and are fighting a non existent console

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war. All right, now,
I'm gonna get in trouble. I got

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to back off. Yeah, I
mean, I have no problem with this,

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but but then again, I'm also
a guy who owns all the consoles

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by work I have to, so
it doesn't really affect me all that much.

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Xbox to begin with, so it's
not well, I know, understand,

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it doesn't affect me personally. For
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and went PlayStation, they can try
High Fire Rush. Now that's pretty cool.

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If they like pirates, they're gonna
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thing rare being back on Switch.
If c A Thieves goes there, that's

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just nice. That's nice. It's
neat. Yeah, get some more of

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those games on nso for real.
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you're right to talk about like laying
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hey, these are the four games, these are the only four games

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were promising, and beyond that Starfield
in Indiana Jones, we're saying right now

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that those aren't going multiplatform. And
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and we will never rule out anything. He also said something along the

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lines of not everything is coming,
but everything is on the table basically,

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So it's like both things are true. Everything's on the table, but not

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every single game will be coming.
So it's like the strategy is still the

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same in that not like all these
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as exclusives in one way or the
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same time while remaining the same in
that they are maybe more widely considering more

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of them for other platforms once they
get to the extent of what they can

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accomplish on Xbox MPC, which is
how they describe the state of all four

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of these games is like they've kind
of reached their potential on Xbox and PC,

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and we can all kind of glance
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and Pentiment and assume that's almost certainly
the case. And for the live service

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games, it's probably like, yeah, I mean, having more players in

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there is only going to be a
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I think that we can expect that
this is probably going to mostly work

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out pretty well and not have much
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and they will probably decide to start
doing this more frequently in the future,

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and I of course I think that's
just fine. They you know,

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there's a lot of ins and outs
in terms of them trying to insist on

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the maintaining value of the Xbox console
as a platform onto itself. They do

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talk about that in some ways.
One of the things they say is that

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game pass is still a big thing. It will continue to be only available

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on Xbox platform, so that doesn't
mean PC, but it's only going to

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be available on consoles on Xbox because
mostly it seems like a Nintendo in PlayStation

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won't let it on there. But
if you want to find a separating factor

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between those other consoles and the Xbox. A reason to get an Xbox,

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they point to game pass. Yeah. So the statement also appears to dismiss

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concerns that players at Xbox libraries will
be shut down in the future, saying

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the company's commitment to game preservation is
unwavering, and that's their way of putting

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that Xbox players should have confidence in
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A statement says we will continue to
reward that with the most robust player

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friendly experiences, including backward compatibility,
cross play, cross safe progression, convenient

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cloud gaming, and more. And
this seems to be like one of the

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big reasons that they had this podcast
and these explanations where it's like, hey,

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they can say the four games are
coming to these other platforms and we're

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like, oh, yeah, okay, we get it. That's a press

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release. The follow up concern from
a lot of people is, well,

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we are worried about the slippery slope. Eventually people don't want buy an Xbox

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anymore, so you stop making Xboxes, and that means there's no longer much

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of a reason for you to have
an Xbox ecosystem where you sell us games,

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and then what happens to all these
games that we purchased, And they're

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like, right now today, we've
envisioned it as we are going to keep

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selling you games, and we're going
to keep selling you other people's games,

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and that's not going away in any
way as far as we're concerned. Do

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you think that they were able to
get that across if you combine the blog,

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the podcast, and the YouTube airing
of said podcast, Yes, but

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I feel like each of them sort
of missed things that the other one added

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untext for, and if you weren't
looking for, if you weren't trying to

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get the entire picture, you might
have missed something. Because, like I

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said, there was a lot of
people in reaction to this that were saying

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that this was really nothing. They
were just kind of putting a smoke screen

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up or whatever. So there may
I don't think they've reached everyone, but

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I think they've convinced enough people that
they're not going away and it's not the

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death of the brand. It was
always wild to me that the people were

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saying were worried about their digital libraries
being taken away by the company who If

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you go back the years of e
three press conferences. One of the most

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famous ones is them announcing backwards compatibility. They clearly care about preservation to an

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extent. They were not taking your
library away, whether it just translated to

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PC if the consoles were going away. Remember that rumor they weren't making consoles

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anymore. What a weird week.
This was just a weird average week.

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It was, I mean, and
it's like a little bit frustrating because you're

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like, okay, you know,
hey, they were considering Gears of War

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for this, and it's like,
yeah, they were having a conversation,

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and I'm like trying to report that, and it's like that very quickly because

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of social media and you know,
things going through the telephone from one person

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to the next to the next,
that does turn into stuff like they're not

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making consoles anymore and all this stuff, and it's like, no, that's

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the rumor. It's like those There
was never actually a leak saying Xbox was

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done making consoles, or even that
they were putting Gears of War on PlayStation.

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But I was like, no,
they just had a conversation. And

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it's like so we come out and
they're like they look in this thing.

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They never said that they didn't consider
They didn't say they didn't consider any Anyana

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Jones. They just said it's not
happening. They didn't say there was no

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conversation, because there was. There
was a conversation about all these things there.

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The reality is these companies probably always
talk about this all the time.

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The conversations that I'm referencing are more
serious than that, like where it's like

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these companies always like are looking at
there's always someone at a company doing math

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about this stuff. It's like,
no, this was like phil kind of

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having conversations with people about like what
could this look like? Now. I

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think the reaction informed what we got
in this podcast, I think to a

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certain extent. But I think that
does not mean that they find ways to

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continue to make bigger and bigger steps
going forward. One of the you know,

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rumors to come out of this now
that things have shake shooken loose,

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is that, you know, Gears
of War I mentioned before, but also

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Doom and Flight Simulator Simulator are also
being considered for other platforms. It's like,

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yeah, all those kind of a
certain point makes Gears of Wars maybe

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the biggest one because it's like that's
such an Xbox thing. But it's like

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it's been years and if they put
like the xpot or the Gears of War

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original trilogy out as a collection on
PS five at like the year before they're

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going to pout year six, it's
like that just makes a ton of sense

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at a certain point. Yeah,
and the other two Doom, which has

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been on PlayStation already, and Flight
Simulator, which has universal appeal. Right

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again, they all make perfect sense. It sounds this whole situation sounds to

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me like Phil and whoever negotiates the
contracts with the third party publishers left a

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meeting where they were getting console console
exclusivity on Xbox for six months or a

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year. They looked at each other
and they said, why don't we start

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doing that? You released something,
and then a year later we start talking

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about maybe bringing it to Switch at
PS five, and then this is where

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we've come from that. Yeah,
it sounds like the same thing. It's

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just they don't they don't have to
say their console exclusive in the beginning because

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everyone assumes it their first party games. It's the same sort of mindset for

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me. So seeing again, Gears
of War is the one that sticks out

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to me the most because it's been
Xbox exclusive day one hasn't changed. Uh

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So seeing that on PlayStation would be
wild. It would be but doom and

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Microsoft flights him and even the four
that are, you know, heavily rumored

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to be coming, not as eyebrow
raising, not quite as eyebrow. And

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it's also an acknowledgement that we are
in a different world than we had been

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with consoles for our entire lives.
And this is something that you know,

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if you go listen to that podcast, Sarah Bond brings this up. I

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think Phil Spencer and Matt Booty bring
it up and so many way, but

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Sarah Bond explicitly said, like four
years from the beginning of consoles up until

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recently, it was the big thing, the big boy in the room was

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the console. And then all the
games came out and served the console.

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It's like it's about selling the console. And then about tennis years ago that

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started to flip and now they're like, we're looking at numbers and we look

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at roadblocks, and roadblocks is significantly
bigger than the console business in many ways,

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and it's like at a certain point
it flipped and now the consoles serve

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these MegaGames that are the platforms onto
themselves, Fortnite in Call of Duty and

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Roadblocks and the like, and it's
like we for us to keep pretending that

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these games are serving the console is
at a certain point, it's a dereliction

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of understanding our business and it would
be negligent. We can't keep behaving that

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way because it's not true anymore,
and so we need to recognize what we

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need to do to kind of maybe
begin making games that are like, oh,

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and that means not just focusing on
keeping games on the Xbox that is,

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it will be self defeating at a
certain point. It's like, oh,

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yeah, that makes a ton of
sense. Yeah, it would be

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a fallacy to think that a game
like Fortnite is not is inferior to the

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x that is the platform now not. Yes, yeah, that is the

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plan and that and they're releasing their
own games for it, and like Lego

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Fortnite, Lego Fortnite should have been
its own separate console release ten fifteen years

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ago. Yeah, isn't Lego World's
a thing? Didn't they try this and

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that didn't work, So then they
went into Fortnite and now it's the second

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most popular thing on the platform,
if not the most popular thing. I

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haven't looked at a user numbers recently
active use numbers, but like, that's

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where this is going. You're going
to have your consoles, and you're gonna

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have your smaller games, and then
you're going to have these major platforms that

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people are going to flock to simply
because of universal access mobile console PC.

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Uh, you know, pretty soon
we'll be playing in AR on Apple Vision

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pros. Who knows, but I
just see I think this this all made

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a lot of logical sense. How
much of it was screened to make sure

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it made logical sense. I'm sure
it was heavily edited. I'm sure those

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questions were not random. Much as
I love Tina Ameni at Xbox, it's

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always done a great always done a
great job, I don't think those questions

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were random. I think it was
definitely a bit of damage control. After

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the rumors came flying and the course
influencers started laying down their swords and crying

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over their Xboxes and causing all of
this, that's what's going to get me

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in trouble. So yeah, I
mean it's it. Is it the one

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console inevitability that people were afraid of
for decades. No, But is it

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them realizing that we can't stay in
our own little box anymore. We have

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to go out and explore the rest
of the world. Open the vault.

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Let's say, I yeah, and
that makes sense. I don't see why

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you wouldn't support that. A ton
more headlines out of this conversation, including

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this next one. Microsoft promises the
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for its next hardware generation. This
is from Jonas Macky at gamer Actor.

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During Thursday night's special episode of the
Official Xbox Podcast, there was plenty of

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news about the future strategy for Xbox. This included debunking of the rumors that

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Microsoft was about to ban in the
concept of exclusive games, an announcement of

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a summer event in June, the
confirmation of Activision Blister games in game Pass

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and starting in March. That's starting
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thirty four million subscribers. However,
there was also another highlight, namely talk

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of the future hardware. Anyone who
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Xbox as a console can now put
their fears aside. Not only was it

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confirmed that there will be new Xbox
hardware announced this year, and people are

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assuming that's either an update to the
Xbox Series X or maybe a handheld,

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but also the next generation was confirmed
to be on the way, and it

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seems that Microsoft is going to go
all out. Xbox President Sarah Bond said

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that we can look forward to the
biggest generation jump we have ever seen,

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which may indicate Microsoft now wants to
release the console that can compete with respectable

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PCs. Jason, I'll say I
was talking to Mike Minaughty about this last

408
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.079
night, and he pointed out a
possibility of what this might mean that when

409
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:21.720
Microsoft launches the next gen their console, the third top tier console might be

410
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.640
quite a bit more expensive than what
PS five puts out, and that could

411
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:29.160
be the differentiating factor, and that
it is significantly more powerful than what anyone

412
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.480
else has and the price will reflect
that because at a certain point, why

413
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.079
go head to head with the PlayStation
and try to have an alternative when you

414
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.279
could just like separate yourself in other
ways. And I thought, I think

415
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.079
that makes kind of a lot of
sense at this point. What do you

416
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.920
think. I think they tested it
in this current cycle, having the X

417
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:51.000
and the S. They conditioned us
to have two separate consoles, one slightly

418
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.480
less powerful than the other but still
capable of running all the different things.

419
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.440
And then in this next hardware generation
do the same thing, but move everything

420
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:02.160
up. Instead of having one being
two fifty and one five hundred, you

421
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:07.799
have the one five hundred and then
one seven eight the price of building your

422
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.519
own, you know, moderately successful
PC. Yeah, that makes a lot

423
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.480
of sense to me that Mike Banandi
knows what he's talking about. Uh now,

424
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:21.799
how will that be responded to?
I don't know. I think you'll

425
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.079
have your your your people who buy
every piece of new tech because it's shiny

426
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.480
and nice, and I am definitely
one of those people. But I also

427
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.240
think you'll have people who may feel
priced out and that just you know,

428
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:37.160
takes them to PlayStation even more because
their top console is less expensive the next

429
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.920
boxes top console. And then maybe
they're just not worried about that anymore.

430
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.599
I have. I imagined that was
a concern coming into this generation, but

431
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.200
maybe next generation they're just like,
look, balls of the wall, we

432
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:51.400
don't we gotta we gotta try this, we gotta do something. How big

433
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.759
that generalation generational leap will be remains
to be seen. Well, they said

434
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.839
the biggest one ever. Why don't
you believe them? Chason, the one

435
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:02.480
more and now it was the biggest
one ever. It just keeps getting biggest

436
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:07.480
one ever. We'll see. And
I think now if they call it,

437
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.279
if they call the top one a
console PC hybrid or something like that,

438
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.960
like they make up a new word
to say that, it's you know,

439
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.119
PC capable or PC powerful sture.
I don't know what that word will be,

440
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.039
but I just I don't know.
I'm not I'm not enthused about talking

441
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.359
about brand new consoles. I mean, that's obviously the other side of it

442
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.640
here. Yeah, right, Like, well, okay, they've obviously I

443
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.200
don't think they were going to come
out and talk about it in these terms,

444
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.680
went with the original plan for this
conversation where they were going to come

445
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.559
out and talk about their news,
their their evolving strategy or whatever. But

446
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.759
you know, they did talk about
it because I think they wanted to reassure

447
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.640
people that they're in the hardware game
for the for the long haul. So

448
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.359
that's why we're talking about it.
But it is a little bit frustrating just

449
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:57.839
from a standpoint of this generation has
had has had its UH stops and starts,

450
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.319
and it feels like we are just
getting started in a lot of ways,

451
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.960
even though we are about to enter
you know, your We're like year

452
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.640
four right now, it's gonna be
year five later. It's like, okay,

453
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.759
yeah, that's that really is like
the second half of the life cycle,

454
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.599
as Sony said in its earnings report
about the PlayStation five, and yet

455
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.240
it's also like, hmmm, uh, we would kind of like to feel

456
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.240
like we got a little bit of
the fruit off that tree after letting it

457
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.759
grow for a few years, and
it doesn't feel like we got there.

458
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.119
I think a big part about that
is on the Xbox side of things,

459
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:30.880
where it's, hey, you have
talked about a lot of games that you

460
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.519
have promised, and most of those
still have not come out, even though

461
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:40.319
we are past Starfield avowed Perfect Dark
Fable, those like three maybe that being

462
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:41.519
the big ones, but there's a
lot of other ones as well. There's

463
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.559
that, uh god, the Avalanche
game. I can never remember the name

464
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.200
of contraband there's a Ultra band.
The whole list of games that they have

465
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.000
announced years ago have barely given us
updates on and feel like they're still pretty

466
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.119
far away. And like hel Ba
two is only going to start coming out

467
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.000
this year, so it's like okay, kind of like release some of these

468
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.599
games make us feel good about the
investment we made before we have to start

469
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.279
talking about the next one. But
at the same time, this thing is

470
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.440
years away, so they will have
time to like smooth over that conversations.

471
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.039
Conversation I think. But I don't
blame anyone today for being very annoyed that

472
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:17.640
we're talking about next gen hardware,
right yeah, I mean that, especially

473
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.319
with the stock issues that they have
when they first came out, particularly on

474
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.119
the PS five side, but even
on the Xbox side. I remember people,

475
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.880
you know, the rush to get
the Best Buy or Walmart dot Com

476
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.839
to buy these consoles. I remember
that very vividly. I was able to

477
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.759
pre order an Xbox I was not
able to pre order a PlayStation five,

478
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.640
like I was like three or three
months late on the PS five train or

479
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.359
something like that didn't get until February. I remember that frustration, and I

480
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.319
don't look forward to doing it again
because I don't want to see eBay listings

481
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.839
of people who have thirty five consoles
and selling them for double the price.

482
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.799
Not looking forward to that that they're
going to do this, they better start

483
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:59.200
making them now, stocking, backfilling, and stocking so that everybody who wants

484
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.240
one on day one can get one. That's the part I'm like, I

485
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.720
really don't want to deal with this
shit again. I want to just play

486
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.079
what I have. The game's not
coming out, is true, but I

487
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:15.319
feel like for me personally, there's
enough third party stuff going on that I'm

488
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.759
fine to an extent with them.
You know, I will. I want

489
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.599
to see these games. Hell Blay
two is one of my most anticipated of

490
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.319
the year, obviously, but you
know, if they come out in the

491
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.559
next year or two, Like Sony
said, they're not coming out with any

492
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.880
first party this whole fiscal year from
known franchises is what they meant, thank

493
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:38.759
you. So if if Xbox sees
that as a green light and maybe they

494
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.839
have the ability to backfill the year, cool, all right, You've started

495
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.960
releasing these games. To your point, though they're not out yet, people

496
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:51.119
might be frustrated. I completely understand
that, but I feel like third parties

497
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.480
have been doing their job, at
least last year, doing their job in

498
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.799
keeping the ship afloat. Yeah,
I think what we're doing right now,

499
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.079
it's like we're getting a game every
year, at least one game, maybe

500
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.039
two games that feel like, ooh, this feels like a game that is

501
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.440
taking advantage of the possibilities of what
new hardware could do, and not just

502
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:14.960
in terms of visuals, but in
terms of enabling simulations. I think balder

503
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.480
Skate three obviously last year was a
huge thing there, and this is all

504
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.880
the games the Tiers of the Kingdom
being pretty huge on that as well.

505
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.319
But it's like that's you know,
run on a frigging switch. But I

506
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.720
think that saysn't that actually is not
the point. I think the point is

507
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.000
like, we want games to feel
like they are enabling and empowering new experiences.

508
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.880
That's what's actually going to make it
feel like different than the PS four

509
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.160
generation, because right now a lot
of the games we're looking around and playing

510
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.920
still feel like these are the games
that we're playing on PS four, but

511
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.079
now maybe they run at sixty francs
per second instead, and so you know,

512
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:50.160
it takes longer and longer to make
games than ever before. So it

513
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.200
feels like, yeah, those might
still be coming, Those those real genre

514
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:59.359
defining and industry changing games are probably
still coming for the most part, but

515
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.759
there's there's a lot of reasons to
assume maybe it's not because those investments are

516
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:06.400
so massive and the risks are so
unknown that a lot of those companies are

517
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.599
probably shying away from that and doing
what they know works, And so we

518
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.519
might just be stuck in this rut
when it comes to these big Triple A

519
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.880
games for quite some time, and
going forward, the generations are going to

520
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.639
feel more mushed together and in all
like sort of messy of like, yeah,

521
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.360
this is basically still PS four,
even once we get the PS six.

522
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.639
So yeah, again, I don't
blame people like getting frustrated talking about

523
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.960
new hardware. At the same time, Hey, if the Microsoft also puts

524
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.480
out a handheld Xbox along with all
this other stuff, I'll be very excited.

525
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.239
I like new hardware, and I
think a handheld from a company like

526
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:42.920
that that is essentially a Steam Deck
or a rog ally, I'm more than

527
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.360
welcome that. Yeah, for sure, I absolutely agree. I have been

528
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.000
converted. This Legion Go that I
reviewed for MMORPG dot com is a beautiful

529
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.920
thing. So if they want to
take a shot at a portable PC like

530
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.800
that, I'm all for it.
All right, we have more Xbox headlines

531
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.760
there's also we're going to take a
quick detour over to what respawn is working

532
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.079
on. But we're gonna get all
of that, all of that after this

533
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:13.239
quick break. Okay, we are
back and like I said, let's take

534
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:20.880
it. What the hell did you
sneak it in there? I was all

535
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.039
right. Over at Insider Gaming,
there's a headline respond is developing a first

536
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:30.639
person Star Wars Mandalorian game. This
is from Tom Henderson Uh Insider Game and

537
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.760
sources have revealed that Respund Entertainment is
developing a first person Star Wars Mandalorian game

538
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.079
that is in its early stages of
development. According to sources, the game

539
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.599
we'll see players take control of Mandalorian
bounty hunter unclear who set during the time

540
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.199
when the Galactic Empire is dominating across
the galaxy. It's your job as a

541
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:50.360
bounty hunter to capture bounties dead or
alive for cash rewards. As first reported

542
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.280
by Venture Beats Jeff Grubb, Huh. At that time, the game was

543
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.800
being led by respawnd creative director Mohammad
Olavi, who left the studio to pursue

544
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.480
his next adventure. According to Grub, who didn't just closed it was a

545
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.679
star Wars game at the time,
but has recently. The game will be

546
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.039
focused on mobility and style as guiding
principles. The game's high mobility has been

547
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:13.559
made possible storytelling wise thanks to Mandalorian's
jet pack. Again shout outs to Mike

548
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.679
Manaty, who likes any character with
a jetpack, which allows the players to

549
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.719
perform horizontal dashing, vertical jumping,
boost sliding somewhat similar to sliding down hills

550
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.320
in Apex Legends, and more.
Sources describe the game as very fast paced,

551
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.880
and as such will reward players who
play in this style. For example,

552
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.079
the player's health will mainly regenerate based
on successive kills, as to be

553
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.480
expected. Playing as a Mandalorian boundy
hunter gives players a wide variety of weapons

554
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.800
and gadgets, including a wrist rocket, grappling hook, advisor for tagging enemies

555
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.039
and bounties, and more. It's
understand that the game will not be an

556
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.519
open world and have linear levels taking
place on a variety of different planets in

557
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.559
the Star Wars universe. While it's
unclear when the game will release, it's

558
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.920
said we're still a year or two
away at the very least. It's currently

559
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.000
unclear if the game will have a
multiplayer experience or not. I was going

560
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.679
to check in on that. Been
kind of poking around on this since Tom

561
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.559
started talking about this yesterday on Twitter. I'm like, oh, yeah,

562
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.480
that thing. Let's let's see what's
going on there. And I'm like,

563
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.719
I haven't asked to all my sources
yet, but we'll see. What what

564
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.559
do you think of a Mandalorian Star
Wars game by Respawn Entertainment. Let me

565
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:19.440
start here, Jason and say that
titan Fall three was once a real thing.

566
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.000
Well, and some of the stuff
I heard about it was so exciting,

567
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.920
Like they basically what happened was the
people who made titan Fall played Hades

568
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.719
and they're like, what if all
of our powers worked similar similar to that?

569
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.239
So it's like you had a dash, but then you could upgrade it

570
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.199
so that dash like reflected enemies bullets, And then what if you could up

571
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.480
to upgrade it again so that reflected
it back at them, So you were

572
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.239
rewarded for running right at the enemy
and it felt like really good. I'm

573
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:46.280
like, well, okay, yeah, tell me more. Like I'm scratching

574
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.119
my arm, like, holy shit, that sounds fucking awesome. That game

575
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.840
was canceled. It sounds to me
like some of those ideas, if not

576
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.599
all of them, but some of
those ideas could easily translate over to this

577
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.519
game and this this is one.
Like from the beginning, they were like

578
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.519
stylized mobility, just cool action.
And then yeah, it was like when

579
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.559
when Response started talking about like their
other Star Wars project that they're making with

580
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.920
that partner, the strategy game.
So hey, we're working at with that

581
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.760
partner. We're gonna help them make
a Star Wars strategy game. At that

582
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.840
time, it was confirmed to me
that this other first person shooter was a

583
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.039
Star Wars game. I did not
know what was Mandalorian game until very recently,

584
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.320
So that's I think that's pretty exciting. I hope that it is.

585
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.960
I just kind of hope it is
just balls to the wall action and is

586
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.280
the spiritual successor to titan Fall.
What do you think of this, Jason

587
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:40.159
Fanelli, Titan Falls gameplay in a
Mandalorian setting, Sign me the hell up.

588
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:46.679
That sounds awesome. Now. I
hope they come out with this soon.

589
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.800
The report said it's about a year
or two away, because yeah,

590
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.840
I don't know that it will completely
satisfy the people who were just looking for

591
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:58.880
a flat titan Fall three. But
if they can deliver that sort of Apex

592
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:04.639
legend style or even Titan Fall two
style, first person fast action with those

593
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.360
rogue light elements like hades that you
just mentioned, oh it'll it'll fly fly

594
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:14.320
off show. I'm curious though the
report says it doesn't say who the Mandalorian

595
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.719
will be. Now thinking about the
Star Wars Lord, do they create a

596
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.679
new one? Do they maybe try
to flesh out the backstory of someone who

597
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.119
already exists? Do they give you
a choice between two male and female?

598
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.480
It's at that part is what I
find is what is where my brain goes

599
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.559
first ye as to how they can
how they can elaborate on the story.

600
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:36.159
It doesn't sound like it's going to
be the Mandalorian, like like a game

601
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.000
version of the Disney Plus show.
Right, he would be somebody else.

602
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.440
I guess you wouldn't necessarily be too
young. Well, what does the Mandalorian

603
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.079
show take place? That is like
fifteen years after Return of the Jedi?

604
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:52.400
Right, I can't remember exactly.
I believe it's between original trilogy and new

605
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.920
trilogy. Right, So depending on
how long it is, it's like that

606
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.840
is that character possibly old enough to
have been doing Bountie hunters? Uh uh?

607
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.960
In one when the Galactic Empire is
at its power, which is when

608
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:08.920
this game takes place, so original
trilogy time or before, maybe I I

609
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.719
bet they do some new character.
I bet that gives them a little bit

610
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:17.400
more leeway. Or maybe maybe they
use one of the Mandalorian characters, the

611
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.320
other Man, other Mandalorians in the
Mandalorian Right, there's a lot in that

612
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.320
show, right, Yeah, the
one, the one played by Mercedes Ornada,

613
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.159
Sasha Banks. That would be interesting
have them voice it. That would

614
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.360
be bring some star power to the
game. That could be an interesting uh

615
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.599
idea too. I I just need
them to tell us now we know this

616
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:42.360
it's out. Just reveal it tomorrow. Please Monday, you can wait till

617
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.239
the Tuesday. We're all present day. Yeah, give us give us a

618
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.320
second Tuesday, let's go. Yeah, very cool stuff. It's very cool.

619
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.360
The when when I was hearing about
that Titan Fall three stuff, one

620
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.239
of the things that the developers were
kind of frustrated by is they would watch

621
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.440
people play and then they would see
that a lot of times, especially when

622
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.320
stuff started getting like intense, gamers
would default to play in it like Call

623
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.440
of Duty, and they would just
be like, I'm just running in the

624
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:08.840
room and I'm firing my gun and
then I'm running to the next person.

625
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.920
I'm firing my gun, and they're
just like, do they not know that

626
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.199
they can wall run? Do they
not know they can double jump? Do

627
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.280
they not know they can get in
that ass and take these guys out in

628
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.000
such cool cool ways? And it's
like players kind of know, but they

629
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.639
didn't feel like necessarily hooked into having
to do that, So a lot of

630
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.039
people would abandoned. I had a
great time, Like I was always on

631
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.400
the wall, running back and forth, but even I was like, there's

632
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.639
different things like oh yeah, I
could do I could be doing this cool

633
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.719
thing. I just forgot about that. I think what it sounds like they

634
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.360
are they have here is we have
all this cool stuff and we are going

635
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:46.639
like the HP replenishing by successive kills
sounds like they're like, we have played

636
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.159
we played Doom and Doom Maternal,
and we played Hades, and we are

637
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.320
looking for gameplay mechanics that will keep
people moving forward and doing all the cool

638
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.119
stuff they have in that game.
And I'm very excited to play the you

639
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.400
know, Respawn first person shooter that
is informed by learning all those lessons.

640
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.320
So I think they had all,
like all the best action in titan Fall

641
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.360
two just then get giving players a
reason to have to use that stuff and

642
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.559
really saying to every player like,
no, we know that you're happier when

643
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.639
your boots are on the ground,
but let's prove to you that actually you're

644
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.480
gonna feel even cooler once you're doing
all this cool aerial stuff. I think

645
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.199
that that is a I think RESPOND
can do that, and I think they

646
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.159
could do it, and again it's
going to be very very good. So

647
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.320
yeah, and being an EA,
being an EA Studio, they also have

648
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:36.159
access I would think to sister studios
assets and ideas. Maybe there's some mirrors

649
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.400
Edge in here too. I'm getting
some mirrors Edge vibes from the running,

650
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.159
yes see, and look like that. That'll be awesome. Yes, again,

651
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.679
I think it's gonna be informed by
all these things. So yeah,

652
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.079
shout outs to Tom for that story. All right, let's get back to

653
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.239
some of the Xbox headlines. Xbox
Game Pass now has thirty four million fully

654
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.400
paid subscribers. This from Chris Scullion
at VGC. They dropped this when they

655
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.000
were talking about some of the things
that will be coming to game Pass pretty

656
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.800
soon. They said thirty four million
paid subscribers. That does include the Xbox

657
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:09.239
Game Past Core members who were previously
Xbox Live Gold subscribers. Jason, I

658
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.320
read this number in two ways.
One, it's like, man, you

659
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.039
look at that like some of the
movies, subscriptions and services, and they

660
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.599
have like one hundred million, two
hundred million. So this is a far

661
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.280
cry from that, a far cry
from where I think they want game Pass

662
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.280
to eventually get to. And yet
we know that the game the Xbox Series

663
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.599
X and S are at about twenty
five to twenty seven million consoles sold,

664
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:36.920
so this is significantly more than all
of the Xbox Series x's and s's in

665
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.039
the world, and in that frame, it's actually a pretty good number.

666
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.119
So it's like, I could see
the negative, I could see the positive

667
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.880
here. I think the reality is
it's at thirty four million, and it's

668
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.840
probably not growing super fast for them, which is why they are looking to

669
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.519
all these other ways to increase their
revenue. What does that sound like to

670
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.039
you? Yeah, they I think
they have started to see enough of a

671
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.880
slowdown and subscriber base that they now
feel they have to try the multi platform

672
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:07.000
thing that we try. We spoke
about above, because people will only buy

673
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.280
new consoles so fast, and those
are the people that you're really going to

674
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:16.920
be selling new subscriptions to all of
the I would imagine that the vast majority

675
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.239
of Xbox owners, I don't want
to say all, but the vast majority

676
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.280
of Xbox owners have this. That's
what it seems like subscription because it just

677
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.119
makes sense. You're getting the online
included, you're getting the games that are

678
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.360
added to the service all the time
that you can download for no extra charge.

679
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:42.320
I think that this number should be
viewed as a success because does this

680
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.400
also include PC? Yes, and
includes Yes, includes everything else. So

681
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.280
that's a pretty good if you're taking
out. If you just do the math,

682
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.679
you said like twenty five million,
twenty five to twenty seven, and

683
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.440
you make that seven to nine million
on PC, that's a pretty decent number,

684
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.559
I would say of people who are
subscribed that use PC, because PC

685
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.679
are going up against Steam, you're
going up against egs, you're going up

686
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.920
against other things that you might not
I mean, sure, you're getting free

687
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.320
games, but Steam gives you free
games too. Every once in a while

688
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:16.320
it's I think this is ultimately a
good thing. People may hear thirty four

689
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:22.159
million and immediately think it's low because
of they think subscriptions and they go to

690
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.599
the apps that you just mentioned,
your Netflix as your Disney Bluses, stuff

691
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:29.239
like that. But in the context
of what this is and how unique it

692
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.760
is to the video game market,
I don't think they have anything to worry

693
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.719
about at all. Yeah, and
I don't think that this is this number

694
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:39.239
includes that many Xbox Live Core members
because Gold, Like, who is subscribing

695
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.480
to Gold when it's like, well, for a few bucks more, I

696
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.599
just get game Pass as well.
Why wouldn't I just do that? Because

697
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.199
Gold was like ten bucks and it's
well, for fifteen you get Gold and

698
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.760
x Xbox game Pass. I think
of many people and if you for many

699
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.039
years there, if you give us
a dollar, well transfer all your gold

700
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.599
into Xbox game for however many years
you already have gold. So a lot

701
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.320
of people took advantage of that deal
a long time ago. I think.

702
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.400
In an interview, Phil Spencer even
said that the Xbox Live Gold like was

703
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.800
transferring into Xbox Live Core. It's
just not a very significant part of that

704
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.320
number, and either way, the
money's all green. At the end of

705
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.559
the day. Microsoft's looking at this
as here's the people giving us money on

706
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.760
a monthly basis for whatever reason,
whether it's to get access to Game Pass

707
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.119
or to Xbox Live Gold, that
doesn't matter so much as the money they're

708
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.280
giving us is green and it spends. That's that's what they're trying to talk

709
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.639
about here. Now. Yeah,
I think I'm with you. This is

710
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.719
that. It's it's like, when
I first saw the number, I'm like,

711
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:38.960
that seems pretty locaus. I think
I remember back in the day they

712
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:45.360
had like something like forty five million
Xbox Live Gold subscribers, but maybe that

713
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.880
number was inflated by like man,
that could be that number could be back

714
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.800
from when they had like Xbox Like
Silver or something. So it's I think

715
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.960
I was remembering that and being like, Okay, this number is like down,

716
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.119
but they are these the services now
cost more than there isn't like a

717
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.119
lot of people would get Xbox Like
Gold annually on sale for like thirty bucks,

718
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.480
and it's like no, now everyone's
paying like fifteen dollars, ten to

719
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.960
fifteen dollars per month for all this
stuff. So they're probably making a lot

720
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.519
more money from these thirty five million
than they were making before thirty four million.

721
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.480
Excuse me, but yeah, I
think that you said it. Everyone

722
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.639
who seems to get an Xbox,
like based on this number, seems like

723
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.079
they just get game Pass as a
matter of habit. And at a certain

724
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.360
point, why are you getting an
Xbox if you're not going to get game

725
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.800
Pass? And so them looking around
being like, hey, can we sell

726
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.440
more Xboxes to increase the sales of
game Pass? They were trying that.

727
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.920
I think they're looking around like that's
not necessarily the path to getting from thirty

728
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.679
four million up to one hundred million. We're going to have to actually take

729
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.079
game Pass to every screen. And
that was a big thing that they talked

730
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.119
about in their their their statements and
internally the memos. They're like, Xbox

731
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.800
is going to be on every screen. Game Pass is going to be on

732
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.519
every screen. That's what we're going
for, and that's the real solution if

733
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.280
they're able to make that work.
There's a lot of challenges involved with that

734
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.400
though, of course, for sure, And as far as is like selling

735
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.800
the new consoles, like you said, I really the only opportunity that I

736
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.880
could think of off the top of
my head was back around Christmas time,

737
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.320
I had some parents of kids who
were playing games that knew nothing about it.

738
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.239
I would recommend them an Xbox based
on game Pass just because that that

739
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.280
I think is the only real AVU
for growth is like the new parents who

740
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.719
have no idea what's going on with
kids who are gamers, that this is

741
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.400
an easy and cheap way to get
in the games they want, and that

742
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.000
has a cap, like a very
hard cap because some parents just don't even

743
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.000
understand how to turn the console on, let it learne the subscription stuff and

744
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.159
stuff like that. So I'm definitely
with you. I'm with you that that

745
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.400
they should there's nothing that they should
be really worried about in this regard.

746
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:42.519
Yeah, I mean worried beyond the
fact that it does seem like it's stagnating

747
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.159
at the very least in terms of
because you can only sell it to so

748
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.840
many people who have Xboxes and that's
a tough road to hoe. But beyond

749
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.039
that, it's like, yeah,
if you want to get to that next

750
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.880
tier, regardless of the ups and
downs of how game Pass is doing in

751
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.360
the moment, which is it's definitely
gonna have ups and down. It's based

752
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.280
on people getting excited for Starfield versus
like, well, now I'm gonna wait

753
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.000
for the next thing, so I'm
going to cancel. I bet those fluctuations

754
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.800
do a number in the millions where
it's like people are going to take a

755
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.000
break for a while and then they'll
come back when the next big game is

756
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:16.239
here. That being in that zone, that's just not what they are concerned

757
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.079
about, like, oh, we're
up three million or down three million,

758
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.199
whatever. They are worried about getting
to fifty then one hundred million, and

759
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.199
that's just not going to happen with
it when they're just focused on the console.

760
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.880
So they do talk about a PC
game Pass and Cloud is growing double

761
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.079
digit percentages, it's like, well, yeah, though, I'm sure those

762
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.360
are relatively small portions overall, so
growing that should be easier, and that

763
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:43.480
is reflected in that double percentage growth, double digit percentage growth. Activision Blizzard

764
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.599
games are coming to game Pass starting
with Diabolo for This is from Eric Van

765
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.719
Allen at Destructoid. After finally securing
its acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Microsoft is

766
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.159
now bringing the companies games under the
game Pass umbrella. Activision blizter titles will

767
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.480
be heading to the Xbox Game Pass. Xbox President Sarah Bahn announced the news

768
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.400
in an official Xbox podcast. Hey
remember last year when the like we were

769
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.000
talking about the album four and the
developers were like, that's not coming to

770
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.159
game pass, And now that's the
first active Activision Blister game coming to game

771
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.119
Pass. I thought that was pretty
funny, but not too surprising either.

772
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:15.880
It makes a lot of sense for
that service, right, It's a safe

773
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.519
bet if it's gonna be the first
one from Activision Blizzard, it is the

774
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.719
safest bet multiplayer game. Bunch of
people can download it for no extra charge,

775
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:25.599
and I keep want to say free. It's not free. You're paying

776
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.880
for the subscription and then you know, join in and build their characters.

777
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.079
It makes it makes the most sense. If they had started with Coal of

778
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.239
Duty, the internet would have burned. If they had started with, you

779
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.000
know, something smaller like StarCraft two
on PC game Pass, people wouldn't have

780
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.559
cared. So you got to find
something right in the middle. And I

781
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.840
like StarCraft two. Don't don't make
me think that I'm disparaging StarCraft two,

782
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.559
which doesn't have the relevance it used
to. Uh, but the album form

783
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.000
makes perfect sense. It's still relatively
new, not even a year old yet

784
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.800
has a healthy player base. This
will add more players to it. It's

785
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.440
the safest bet for the first one. Yep. Absolutely. I do wonder

786
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:02.719
like how quickly all these other game
start popping in there, and like they

787
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.559
said, every every first party game
is going to be in game pass,

788
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.159
and now World of Warcraft is a
first party game, is that going to

789
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.760
be in game pass? I really
want to see what that ends up looking

790
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.039
like if they because it's a certain
point, was combining those subscriptions, that's

791
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.639
actually how you get to fifty million, probably pretty quickly eventually, yes,

792
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.280
or much closer to fifty million.
I guess Wow does not have twenty or

793
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:28.079
fifteen million subscribers these days, but
they would add a couple couple of million

794
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:34.559
to their potentially when they're at high
tide. Microsoft says Windows is the weak

795
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.360
point of the Asus Rog and Lenovo
Legion Go. This is from Jonas Machia

796
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.760
Game Reactor, who like who said
this, was it Phil Spitzer or Jeff

797
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.519
Grubb. One of the weak points
in the experiences of a Rog or the

798
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.400
Lenovo Legion Go is Windows? Answer
both of us because he's right, and

799
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.679
I'm right, it sucks ass.
He admits this. Phil Spitzer emits Windows

800
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.119
sucks ass. How Windows works on
controller input only on that kind of DPI

801
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.679
on a smaller eight or seven inch
screen, that's a real design point that

802
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.000
our platform team is working with Windows
to make sure that the experience is even

803
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.800
better. To me, this reads
as we're going to have an update to

804
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.840
Windows that is going to make Windows
make sense on these platforms some at some

805
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.199
point, relatively soon, probably by
the end of this year. I think

806
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.880
we get to that hardware we were
talking about, that hardware update that's happed

807
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.000
around the holidays. I think they
probably do have some updated hardware for the

808
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.000
Xbox Console, I bet as part
of that. And they're like, and

809
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:36.280
here is a new version of Windows
built for handheld PCs that actually makes sense

810
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.840
for when you don't have a mouse
and a keyboard and the touchscreen is small

811
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.239
so that it can actually function in
a way. That is because like right

812
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.679
now, Jason, like, I
use my rog ally and I'll be like,

813
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.440
I like this, and then I'll
try to log into Epic and the

814
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.119
keyboard will cover up the password key
the power field, so I like try

815
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:53.880
to and like I'm like trying to
get in there, and the fucking tab

816
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.679
won't tab me into there, and
I have to like close the whole thing

817
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.360
down and sort of like fake it
and make the screens that make the windows

818
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.440
smaller so I can move it up
in the corner and get to the password.

819
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:08.960
It's like that stuff is infuriating.
Passwords shouldn't suck that bad. Yeah,

820
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.559
the same thing with the Lenovo.
It is uh that, Oh god,

821
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.679
that sucks. I'm like, oh
god, I gotta type something here.

822
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.119
Here comes the keyboard and it's a
by screen. Yes, And then

823
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.000
I try to move it around.
It doesn't move, and I have you

824
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.440
know, the term fat fingering.
Something was created because of me. I'll

825
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.519
type, I'll go for one letter
and hit three, and then my password

826
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.719
will be triple the length that it
should be. Oh god, you're giving

827
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:37.519
me PTSD here. But yeah,
so I as soon as I saw this

828
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.079
headline, I'm like, this is
what Jeff warned me about when I first

829
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.320
got the Lenovo. I kept saying
I was. I was talking about the

830
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.800
sleep function, like coming back on
and the Candian black, and you were

831
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.320
like, I know what that's called. It's cold with yeah, but yeah,

832
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.440
so I'm glad that he recognizes that. Don't be surprised though if this

833
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:01.920
heart if this software update comes day
and date with the potential handheld, yeah,

834
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.599
I mean listen, if we have
to wait that long, whatever,

835
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.360
But I hope that they because it's
it's to their benefit that this software is

836
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.119
on all these devices, right.
They they looked over what steam Os was

837
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.199
doing and be like, hey,
some of those handhelds might end up using

838
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.239
steam Os instead. Now most haven't, some are, though, some are

839
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.039
starting to be like, we're gonna
use steam as instead of Windows. They

840
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.719
don't want that. That's Lenux that
completely bypasses Windows. They want to avoid

841
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.960
that at all costs. And the
way to do that is to make it

842
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.519
makes sense on all these devices and
to put it out as an update to

843
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:36.559
the software that it's just going to
work and doesn't wait for the Microsoft hardware,

844
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.519
which they might do only because it
might take them that long to actually

845
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:45.239
get Windows to fucking work on these
things, all right, And then see

846
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.639
the final Xbox hot headline Real Quick
Summer Showcase announced. They will show off

847
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.360
more from Helba to Avowed and a
bunch of other games, not some big

848
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.400
reveal. But it's nice to hear
the be like, yeah, we are

849
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.639
to have something in our June showcase
at around the time the E three showcases

850
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.159
previously happened, so we have we
all have a reason to get together in

851
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.320
Los Angeles again and probably for at
least one big showcase and probably a handful.

852
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.880
That's good news. I'm glad to
hear that. I'm excited by these

853
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.400
shows, how about you. Yeah. I think last year when they kind

854
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.239
of bookended Summer Games Fest with it. Summer Games Fest was Thursday, and

855
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.559
then the playdays were Friday Saturday,
and then this was Sun or was it

856
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.960
Monday because Final Fantasy was Sunday.
I don't know. I think Sunday or

857
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.559
Monday. It was in there.
That makes sense, Like put it all

858
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.559
on one week, make it as
E three as E three adjacent could be.

859
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.920
It seems to be something that the
entire industry, players and companies alike

860
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:46.000
have started to expect June being a
sort of very big announcement time. So

861
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:51.400
I get it. I do appreciate
them telling me now so I cannot so

862
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.760
I could stay for it and not
leave on Saturday night and just completely miss

863
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.000
it, like I did last year. It would be nice to actually go

864
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.360
to the Xbox thing this year,
assuming it's after Summer Games Fest again.

865
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.199
But you know, this is very
very cool, and I think that they

866
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.880
could also start maybe to update us
on not just what they're talking about here,

867
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.360
but treat it like their old X
Foxy three presentation, have some third

868
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:16.920
party stuff, have some of the
other games that we spoke about that we

869
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.480
haven't heard about yet, Contraband,
Fable and the like, and really start

870
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:28.400
to build that excitement up again.
I personally love showcases like this. I'm

871
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.480
one of the people who mourns E
three a lot. It's just very very

872
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:36.239
cool to be in those rooms and
see those things. And I'm hoping that

873
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:40.440
between this and what IGN's doing and
maybe we'll get some sort of semblance of

874
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.960
that back. Yeah, it's I'm
looking forward to it. I did mention

875
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:45.880
like, oh, they'll talk about
hellway too, and avowt I think they

876
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.599
meant that they will talk about that
leading up to those games coming out.

877
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.960
They're basically saying we're gonna keep talk
about all our stuff in many places,

878
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.480
including our June showcase, but not
exclusively so, which is why they brought

879
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.920
up help way too Uh, all
right, let's just hit these last two

880
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.760
pretty quickly. Band Dynamco reveals it
recently canceled five games. This is on

881
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:09.679
the heels Jason of Embracers Sailing that
had canceled around twenty nine to thirty games.

882
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.719
These both these stories come from the
last week. That's about about thirty

883
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:20.599
five games from just two publishers that
have been canceled that we know about in

884
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.639
the last well, they canceled over
the last several months, but we learned

885
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.840
about it in the last week.
That is very ominous to me. That

886
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.480
is what people are talking about when
they say they are worried about people being

887
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.639
able to find jobs in this industry. If a huge number of swaths of

888
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.519
games are being canceled midway through development, that what does that mean for like

889
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.440
the kinds of games that are getting
green lighted. Almost certainly not many of

890
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.280
those actually are getting the green light
at the moment, So scary stuff.

891
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.800
I think this is a tale of
two stories. The band Dynamico cancelation of

892
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.920
five games is interesting. I wonder
what part of band Dynamico that is where

893
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.400
these anime games where they're you know, maybe they have two or three games

894
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.440
coming out from the same franchise as
a couple of dragon Ball games, and

895
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.639
they thought, well, maybe we
could update this one instead or something like

896
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.599
that. Uh. Embracer though,
canceling that many games in six months just

897
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:15.039
is just another underlining of how over
their heads they were. They had no

898
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.960
idea what they were getting into all
this stuff, and they are just reaping

899
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.400
what they are sewing. And this
is just the next example on the pile.

900
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:31.960
I really they I think history will
paint them eventually as one of the

901
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:40.320
biggest detractors from this industry in in
ever net negative will be measured in human

902
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:47.639
lives by what they've done jobs hopefully
yes, well yes, the livelihoods,

903
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:51.199
I should say, yes, livelihoods
there It is cool. Uh yeah,

904
00:58:51.239 --> 00:59:00.639
they're they're they're the The The level
of incompetence and overconfidence that is now being

905
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:08.199
revealed is just absolutely mind boggling.
That press conference or that thing that he

906
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:14.719
that the one CEO had to do
right after the deal fell through should be

907
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.760
shown in every gaming marketing, gaming
business one oh one, just say this

908
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.760
is what happens if you think you
know more than what this industry can do,

909
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:29.559
and don't be this, don't be
it's just unbelievable. Meanwhile, over

910
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.000
at Namcoe Bendy, Oh, I'm
gonna say the name different every time I

911
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.800
was this morning, I was like
just kind of singing to myself because I

912
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.760
keep saying Namco Bandai and everyone else
because that's not the name, even though

913
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.880
it was the name quite some time. They yell at me and then so

914
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.320
I was just like, Namkai Banda
is what I was saying that all morning,

915
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:50.960
and then I think I accidentally said
it here when I was talking about

916
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.639
the show. Tech and eight has
sold two million copies after about three weeks.

917
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.559
So, hey, very good game, selling very well. Big shocker.

918
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.840
I think that one of the things
that happened. And we're not we're

919
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.079
not gonna have time to talk about
the DICE Awards too much, but Spider

920
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.079
Man, Big Runner and a Balder
Skate three obviously Game of the Year winner.

921
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:10.719
When the team came out to talk
about ball Skate three, they're like,

922
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.679
hey, this industry looks pretty fucked
right now, and hey, if

923
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:17.400
you make fun games, those will
sell better. And it's just like,

924
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.480
yeah, you look at Tech and
eight. It's a really fun game and

925
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.599
it's selling great, So I take
it. Yeah, if if you go

926
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.239
to the game spot news article and
the Dice Awards, if if you want

927
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.800
to see that speech, I happen
to write that, and the speech is

928
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:31.559
right there linked in the first tweets, two tweets. Great speech. You

929
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:36.320
should go check that out. I'll
see it real fast. You see Christians

930
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.079
yelling me they literally changed in ten
years ago. Ten years ago is nothing

931
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:44.199
when you've been along as I as
long as I have Christian post Malone is

932
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.199
curating WW two K twenty four is
a soundtrack, and we'll be a DLC

933
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:53.840
character. Jordan Midler on Twitter said, talk about post launch content and I

934
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.559
want to I want to hit them, but I can't because it's a really

935
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.920
good Yes, that's fantastic, that's
good stuff. He's going to have his

936
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.079
opponents running in circles. Uh,
this is this is fun whatever, let's

937
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.360
go. Yeah, he's like producing
this soundtrack. He's got a couple of

938
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:14.400
tracks on there himself, and there's
some pretty good Uh there's Culture Wall and

939
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.920
Grimes. It's like eclectic the way
I would expect post malones a mixed CDs

940
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.480
to be eclectic. But yeah,
him being a DLC character, I was

941
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.000
not expecting that that's really fun.
No, I mean they're just building on

942
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.920
Bad Bunny. Last year they were
the same thing. The only difference was

943
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.000
Bad Bunny has actually been in a
restaurant, ya, so he can.

944
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.519
He's a worker, brother, he
is great. So is this possibly a

945
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.719
hint the post He's gonna jump in
there too and slap Grayson Waller around.

946
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:44.760
Uh that that remains to be seen. But this is cool. Admittedly,

947
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.360
of the artists on this list,
I have only heard of three, possibly

948
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:51.719
four of them before I read it. But that's just me being an old

949
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.639
dad. So I'm excited to hear
them as I peruse the menus and then

950
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:58.400
eventually replace them with the theme songs
of the wrestlers, because that's how I

951
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.079
work. But hey, cool,
You mean you've not heard of the band

952
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.360
Pigs Pigs, Pigs, Pigs,
Pigs, Pigs Pigs. If not,

953
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:10.639
I mean either is that seven pigs, so many pigs? Jason, and

954
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:15.639
the song's name is big rig They
got something for the letters ig Oh boy

955
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:21.920
oh Man. Music Huh that's weird. Music. Music is weird. That's

956
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.159
my opinion on the matter. All
Right, I got a pull question I'm

957
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:25.400
gonna get too in a second.
While I get that set up, Jason,

958
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.559
make sure you tell people where they
can find you. People love you,

959
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.239
make sure they can follow you somewhere. Tell them about it. They

960
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:37.000
follow me at big Man Finelle on
Twitter and Instagram for random perusings about wrestling,

961
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.400
video games, things that I'm working
on. Every once in a while

962
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.360
you'll get a picture of my lovely
children and uh yeah, we have fun

963
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:51.239
there writing news for game Spot,
still reviews at MMORPG, recently reviewed tech

964
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.440
and eight and Grand Blue Fantasy Relink, which somebody in the chat yesterday while

965
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.280
you were doing this with Jan was
giving me crap for my Relink reviews.

966
01:02:58.280 --> 01:02:59.960
So if you want to go make
fun of me, go ahead over there.

967
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.639
Have a couple of things in the
pipeline. If you are playing like

968
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.000
a Dragon Infinite Wealth and you want
to explore all of the sub stories,

969
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.679
all fifty two of them. Your
boy wrote the guides at IGN so you

970
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.920
can go check those out. And
then a couple and also I started a

971
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.719
little side thing. I'm into tabletop
card games, magic, Pokemon, little

972
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.440
kind of stuff like that. Started
a little project called TCG. John John

973
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.840
being Philly slang for basically anything like
this. John was fun today, Oh

974
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.960
incredible on YouTube and TikTok, mostly
opening packs. I'm gonna start doing deck

975
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.800
text for Magic and stuff like that. So if you like tcg's and you

976
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:37.880
want something else to look at,
that's where you can do that. Also,

977
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.360
I wanted to talk about this one
real quick. From Software acquired the

978
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:45.599
Elder Ring trademark from Bandai Namco.
We'll talk about that on Tuesday on the

979
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.760
BombCast. Everybody excuse me, I'm
interested in what that might mean because they

980
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.960
wouldn't They didn't acquire the copyright,
but the trademark might still have a lot

981
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:58.000
to happen there. We'll talk about
that. Definitely, give Jason follow get

982
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.079
all the gens from him. He's
got the Johns for you, those Johns.

983
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.480
Get the Johns. All right,
let's see here. Poll question,

984
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:09.119
let's bring it up here. Are
you picking up Mario Versus Donkey Kong?

985
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.360
Thirteen percent say yes, eighty seven
percent say no. Does feel like one

986
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.079
of those games that many people are
going to feel just fine skipping over the

987
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.920
reviews were like, Hey, this
is pretty okay and I am pretty excited

988
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.079
to play it, but I'm not
going to have time this week and I

989
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:28.519
don't think we'll see all right,
a new poll question that we'll get to

990
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.000
on Wednesday because we are off for
President's Day on Monday, so we'll see

991
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.719
you all on the game this mornings
on Wednesday. The BombCast will be on

992
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:38.280
Tuesday. New pole question. Are
you going to try at least one of

993
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.599
High five Rush Pentiment Grounded or see
of Thieves on PS five Slash Slash Switch

994
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.280
Yes, no? Or I already
played those games on Xbox Slash PC.

995
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.000
That poll is up now on YouTube
dot com slash at Giant Bomb under the

996
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.440
community tab you can find it there. Be sure to follow us on YouTube

997
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.559
for whenever we post polls in the
future. Beyond that, what do we

998
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.639
have happening on games? Games,
games Beat almost called Giant Bomb, Games

999
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:09.440
Beat on Giant Bomb. Today we
are gonna do UPF It does say here

1000
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:12.639
moved UPF? Up do we do? And then Jen said, do we

1001
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.320
do this for this week? I
don't know, Jan you told me.

1002
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:16.599
I think we listen, we will
have a UPF and I think we're starting

1003
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.039
it a little bit earlier, maybe
going a little bit longer or something like

1004
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.960
that. But look out for that
today and then we'll have BombCast Revengeance as

1005
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.000
well. We're gonna do just some
fun stuff and maybe talking about a handful

1006
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.800
of games. It should be a
good episode, all right, Jason,

1007
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.239
thank you so much for spending today
talking with me about video games. Man,

1008
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.519
I really appreciate it. Always happy
to do it. Jeff, whenever

1009
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.079
you need be I'm here. I
will definitely take advantage of that in the

1010
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.840
future. Thank you all for listening. You're the best audience in gaming.

1011
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.239
Until next time, have a good
one, take care of yourself and goodbye.