WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.720 Hello how about very good afternoon, I am Karen Ramirez and we are in 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:08.039 a broadcast more than ten radio the design in your ears here in the first 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:12.119 season of the year that we are already closing, because we are coming all 4 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.160 autumn, because it is already here to turn. I' m sorry to 5 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:18.039 tell you we' re halfway through the year and what a scare. But, 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.000 well, I' m very happy because I' m closing with a 7 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:25.280 gold clasp, with a lot of amazing personalities, so you don' t 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.120 get any of the episodes this season, because it' s great. Remember 9 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:31.160 that we are in all the music studios and we are broadcasting right here in 10 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:35.759 Capo' s show room worked here on St Louis Potosí' s street in 11 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.880 the one hundred and thirteen, here in North Rome, so that you will 12 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.399 suddenly turn around and watch the show room, because it is beautiful and good. 13 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:46.200 Today I am very happy because very little ago I went to a book 14 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:51.759 presentation there in the Juarez, that the truth is that I was amazed by 15 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.439 such a writer that I went to meet and today he is here with me 16 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.479 and it is Chris Winters, how you are, Chris Hi, very happy 17 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.280 to be here. I love it. Thank you for the invitation, thanks 18 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:04.000 to you for taking your time and we come to visit. Thank you very 19 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:08.599 much and congratulations for your book. There' s a lot of real life 20 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.400 thanks, really. This was a great presentation and that' s when I 21 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:18.000 said I need to meet you and meet you and Radio, please, I 22 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:19.560 love meeting you. Let' s hope it' s the first of many 23 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.439 encounters. Of course it is. That' s a fact. Hey, 24 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.400 I want to start this amazing talk. You ask yourself who Chris Winters is. 25 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:33.200 I don' t need it, because right now, I come in 26 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:38.640 a writer' s mode. I guess, I' m a person who 27 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:45.120 loves to create, who loves to tell stories, who likes to explore his 28 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:52.280 inner world, his creativity, to generate as creative ties with other people to 29 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.519 collaborate. Be someone very curious who loves to walk the street aimlessly who loves 30 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.400 to talk about this mons in a show room. I am passionate about design 31 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:08.039 and art, cinema, obviously writing and, well, I think broadly that 32 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:15.840 I am very good, so I also dispassionate the design. Yes, it 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.039 fascinates me. In fact, I studied three semesters of industrial design Mira. 34 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.159 What a father wanted to be an interior designer. Then I changed course, 35 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.599 but I love what father and so and what you stayed with. In the 36 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:31.319 end I studied communication look and then I did a master' s degree in 37 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.319 cinematographic art as well as the theoretical part. And that' s my preparation. 38 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.439 Let' s say professional very well and how about professional preparation where you 39 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:43.240 studied. I studied communications. Well, first industrial design on the ibera. 40 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.560 I changed from career to communication. There I graduated, I made the cinema 41 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:53.039 subsystem that are like the micro specialties that has the Iberian after I did the 42 00:02:53.039 --> 00:03:00.520 master' s degree in cinema art in Kasalam and that' s worth what 43 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.159 father was amazing then, but I over there heard that day of the presentation 44 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.680 that was like a great promise that I wrote at the University, because I 45 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.199 didn' t know it. I discovered it that day that Felipe Sotto Viterbo 46 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.680 told it, who is a writer, who is a colleague and friend who 47 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.599 made me in favor of presenting the book and that I was not so clear 48 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:22.199 about that anecdote. But, yeah, I think I liked to write since 49 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.759 I was a kid and I had already sent a couple of texts to the 50 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:32.000 magazine as a college student and I was already collaborating in media like I was 51 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.000 back then I don' t know if you remember the boom like fanzine. 52 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.039 There I wrote in fashion and then one day, like I told them, 53 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:44.280 oh give me a chance to write something in another section and then I made 54 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:49.360 a text about it was a documentary by Molotop called Gimmyda Power and they uploaded 55 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.919 it to Twitter and there they saw it, fortunately Sergio Pastrana, who was 56 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.520 then the editor of a magazine called Indie Rock and he invited me to collaborate 57 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:02.000 ora writing music and well, there I started as my career. Let' 58 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:08.919 s say in the media that as an independent contributing journalist, oh, very 59 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:15.000 well, put promise how they weren' t going to mention it and how 60 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.439 it is that this skill was given to you since you were a child, 61 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:23.839 that is, you described your anecdotes your diary, how this love for writing 62 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:29.600 started, because that is, I think that naturally it was very easy for 63 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.800 me as from something as simple as intuitively knowing that I had to accentuate or 64 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:40.639 as the spelling part a little bit more, because I don' t already 65 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.600 know that in school they make you do as little essays speeches and it was 66 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.360 always like mine that was not left for graduation speech and they selected mine or 67 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.040 as if it was spelling By or won, I mean, like that language 68 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.199 has always been given to me naturally. I think just more intuitive, like 69 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.040 I hear later, so they say the rules. And for me it' 70 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.120 s like I have first in the information and then I explain the rule like 71 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.560 it' s not so learned. Let' s say, it' s 72 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:09.319 something more instinctive. And, well, I did have what I wouldn' 73 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.040 t call him every day because I didn' t write every day like that. 74 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.439 But yes, I' ve always been like having notebooks and writing down 75 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.839 there, not like this need to have a dialogue with myself. And, 76 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:25.920 well, then he went off as a specialist over time. No, okay, 77 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.279 that' s amazing. And that' s good, because a lot 78 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.240 of people say that you were born with the world, not that you were 79 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.240 developing it. I' m from school, which is both. I mean, 80 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.920 I think there are people, so it' s like I go into 81 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.439 singing, I' d probably learn to put the voice and put notes and 82 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:44.839 get to my top rank. I' m never gonna be Luis Miguel. 83 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.399 I also think that on the other side, no, if you are Luis 84 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.759 Miguel, but you don' t take care of your voice and you don 85 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:53.319 ' t learn to place it and so on, because it won' t 86 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.199 work. No, and there are a thousand just cases of people running out 87 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.279 of voice. Or of course, then I think it' s a mix 88 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:00.759 of both. There' s a phrase. I don' t know who 89 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:02.560 it' s attributed to. It' s like that on the Internet, 90 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.800 but I think so. It is very true that inspiration finds you working fully. 91 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.839 So there' s like this magic thing that you connect and that this 92 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:15.319 legendary music producer recruines like it explains it very well, that it' s 93 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.920 like it' s a dride that we connect to and you poop ideas and 94 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:23.360 if you don' t poop it, like the idea was already ready to 95 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.920 be born and another creator is going to screw it up if you don' 96 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.680 t listen to your instincts or if you' re not working, it' 97 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:30.240 s not going to work. But I also think there' s a part 98 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.560 of' cause that' s not that I' m training as much as 99 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.480 I am, for example, I' m agile zero in sports. Then 100 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:41.000 of course, you can train and do the best you can and become me 101 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.639 if it was a zero or the breme an eight. But, well, 102 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.120 I' m never gonna be an Olympic acleta. I don' t think 103 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.399 that applies to all disciplines. Right, very true. Hey, Chris, 104 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:53.920 then I know you had a lot of concerns in college and you were developing 105 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.560 them really well. Yeah, but what happened after that bubble from the university 106 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.480 that goes on is over, because I think I had a little idealized the 107 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:08.600 publishing world. In part I think I was touched by this new Hollywood moment, 108 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:16.120 where I was like Hugh Grant An Brange Jones is editor Juslow at The 109 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.120 Hollyday is the book editor. All the girls, like in romantic comedies, 110 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.759 worked in a magazine. I don' t think I touched that era and 111 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:30.439 maybe I used to consume a lot of magazines actually as a girl and kind 112 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.879 books like Francisco Hinojosa, that write for kids or already as Harry Potter' 113 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.839 s cliché. And then, when I left the university, I realized that 114 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:40.720 it was a little utopian, because it was just my turn to enter the 115 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.279 publishing world at a time when I was in crisis, because, that is, 116 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.680 yes, it is the moment when we consume editorial content in some way. 117 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.600 But we' re also all used to that everything is free, yes, 118 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.319 no, I mean, we' ve become like good. If he 119 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:57.879 does not know, the reform asks me to pay, because I see him 120 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.360 in the universal and I see him as a consumer myself. It' s 121 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.920 not like a new way of consuming that we have. So, it wasn 122 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.199 ' t necessarily the time of bonanza in magazines and so on, but, 123 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:16.920 well, I could still find spaces and I was editor at a picnic time 124 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.199 another time I was in an editorial that specialized in gastronomy and wines. Then 125 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.879 there I was as editorial coordinator of a magazine called gluttony, which is obviously 126 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:31.480 food, and another one called wine. So, like in the lifestyle world, 127 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:35.039 I found a little bit of my niche between lifestyle and culture. Ok 128 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:41.320 then there later I had collaborated in a project that I loved, culture that 129 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.519 was called front, that just there I wrote of interior design, and so 130 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.639 on, I continued collaborating at Indie Rocks, which was going to concerts. 131 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.159 There' s already a time when, I mean, it was amazing. 132 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.679 I had already seen band coming, band I was going to see Wow and 133 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.440 interview them. So that was also very rich, because, while maybe it 134 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.279 was from other disciplines, to say the music, I felt that every time 135 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.840 I interviewed someone it was like having my private top ted, where I could 136 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.320 learn all that creative process and how it did it, or even in an 137 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.720 industry like music, which also maybe if you' re emerging, it' 138 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:20.200 s difficult. Not then, like I got very rich about it, I 139 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.600 was editor after a couple of days in the city, as where to go 140 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.399 I started to collaborate in Chilango, avoiding a magazine called Destiny uber that, 141 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:35.080 since the car application, was first for passengers, then for driving partners. 142 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.399 And then, well, I think that' s where the most, because 143 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.240 I learned to develop my pen. Not because since I was at lunch, 144 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.679 I had a blog and there more was called riding the pastor and it was 145 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:58.399 like more just personal anecdotes like using food as a narrative. Another time I 146 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.320 had what was called Winterland as playing a game with my last name and there 147 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.720 I already pretended to just say, there' s no middle I want, 148 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.759 and then the middle I wanted. I had a couple of posts there that 149 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.399 went viral, but in the end I ended up concentrating more like in my 150 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.399 editor' s work ok and Ahorita, I appreciate it very much. I 151 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:24.159 think that whenever you start, you have this idea that you need such freedom 152 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.080 and you just want it. That which is very good is father to have 153 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:33.480 that rebellion. But in the end writing as per order gives you a lot 154 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:35.440 of foundation. I didn' t mean, for example, I used to 155 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.399 hate my time having to make copies, which we' ve all been through. 156 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.440 Yes, and not necessarily. When you think copis maybe, some were 157 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.480 from cool brands, but others were from brands that was how I had to 158 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.919 make the copi of the carriola. At that point in my life, I 159 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.919 didn' t care much, but the other way around, it served me 160 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:54.799 a lot. How to learn not ok tones here has to sound like moms. 161 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:58.679 And when I make the tapestry copies, it has to ring for people 162 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.399 who like interior design. But if I do this bar, it has to 163 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.679 sound relaxed. Then in the end, yes, it gives you a lot, 164 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.879 a lot of bases, even if it sounds boring. OK, it 165 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.440 ' s amazing, yeah, it' s really father, because you' 166 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.360 re going like you' re going according to the good one, you' 167 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.799 re going like you' re going according to the clear tone, so, 168 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:20.960 like, it looks like something, like it looks like a job. There 169 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.960 ' s already very, very glamorous zero, but fair. I feel that 170 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:30.519 sometimes those glamorous zero jobs give you as a trade, yes, honest, 171 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.759 yes, just, that is, it' s like it' s a 172 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:35.360 production and you learn by charging cables, because it' s okay, that 173 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.039 is, at that time give your ego, it hurts because it already wants 174 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.200 to be the great person. But in the end all that' s good 175 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.240 for you, I mean if you' re willing to learn, yes, 176 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:46.399 of course, that' s very good. Hey now, yeah, tell 177 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.320 me about this book because it was the way I met you. I met 178 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.840 you like this with this book and I thank Ahorita. To allow ourselves so 179 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.759 much Andradio we are aware of time because we become ill- bred. We 180 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.600 don' t love orbits. We salute the whole team, because I love 181 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.279 them so much. And well we went to this invitation to the presentation of 182 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.320 your book. And the truth is that I fell in love with how little 183 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.799 much they were talking about and, above all, about your personality. And 184 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.879 I' d like you to tell the audience what' s going on with 185 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.639 your book, how he started this idea. Talk me ok, because it 186 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.240 ' s a novel is called odd elements. I just published it independently and 187 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:33.720 at great good, broadly it is I used the structure of the periodic table 188 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.360 that we all lost in the prepa de dimi triment de reader to make the 189 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.720 book. While each chapter of the book corresponds to an element, then the 190 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.759 first one is a chapter called hydrogen, one lithium, one sodium and I 191 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.600 also started to use good as in subject matter, it' s kind of 192 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.240 a review of my biography. Start a little bit there' s a muddy 193 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.480 one. Let' s say my childhood and my adolescence. But most importantly, 194 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:07.679 what I call because I divided the book into suggested chapters and the periodic 195 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.279 table into the suggested chapters, and I say you have to read them, 196 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.639 but there will be who loosened up, as well as people who don' 197 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:18.240 t read the parentheses. I' m almost sure that even if they skip 198 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.720 it, then they' ll come back to them, because it' s 199 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.799 very joyful. But let' s say that what does make up the periodic 200 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:31.559 table is a little from my twenty- two years to the tremor of two 201 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:37.360 thousand seventeen. Not then are those years of me would be like the equivalent 202 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.120 of an entry- to- maturity history or what the gringos call coming of 203 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.440 page, but those before were like thirteen years or what this adolescence was like. 204 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.840 And I think that there is a large section of the population that now 205 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.320 lives a second adolescence. Yeah, I mean, it' s like people 206 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.360 who follow the path of dads who might have married 25 and have kids and 207 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:01.679 are still like normal temporality. And then there are those who don' t 208 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.080 and that at thirty- something, some are just finishing the master' s 209 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.480 degree, some are just being able to stop living with rumis that isn' 210 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.960 t like cliché. There are seas of articles of how our generation cannot necessarily 211 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.000 acquire a house. So, since these thousands of stones that used to exist, 212 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.600 that marked you as an adult, we already have them much later, 213 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.840 then I already show a second adolescence, of which there is no model. 214 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.960 Then clearly there is a crisis. And if you add to that, because 215 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.320 the technology factor doesn' t like that that we all complain about the dating 216 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.879 that it is now, because I put the allegory in the book, it 217 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:50.159 ' s like like sync the sync element that you' re all day, 218 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.600 that' s like you can use it a lot for the search for love, 219 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.279 like to evade reality, not the search for sex or the search to 220 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.480 close this void. Then you go a little bit from is the book. 221 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.879 More precisely are the ages in which I feel I built my voice as a 222 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:11.039 creator. So it' s someone who' s kind of looking for what 223 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.039 he has to say as an artist or how he' s going to say 224 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.440 it more this search for love that, because, at times, it' 225 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.919 s very painful, because there are a couple of couples who are like very 226 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.919 painful at times, it' s very funny at times it' s like 227 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:28.919 this self- deception no and I say that now it' s not. 228 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:33.080 But I can recognize that in other years I was looking for love, hoping 229 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.039 not to find it, not that you go out with pure people not available 230 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.240 and you are not available. It doesn' t ring a bell and that 231 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.399 at the same time we are this generation with so much information that everyone is 232 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.799 like I' ve already been to therapy, and you have vitative attachment and 233 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.399 you have anxious attachment. And so, but also that that' s both 234 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:54.200 a mask and overinformation to hide in it. Not maybe and then it covers 235 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.600 all of this. The book is a rather crude book, not in which 236 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.879 it is dra matrico, but it is counted very in a very morbid way. 237 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.159 The character is me, it' s called just like I' m 238 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.960 Chris Winters. He' s got my own biography. They' re true 239 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.639 stories. Let' s just say everything in the book happened, but not 240 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.200 everything that happened is. That' s a good way to measure it. 241 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.320 There are some characters that merge two people to be one, and well, 242 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.720 many of them have names of elements that equally follows the logic of the periodic 243 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.159 table. For example, there are those who owe their name to their place 244 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.960 of origin, such as California, Francio, just as it happens in the 245 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.279 periodic table. There are others who have their first name according to the last 246 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.559 name, which would be the equivalent that in the table is Kurio or Borium, 247 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.639 just as some of them left their real name because they asked for it. 248 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.840 And, well, it' s a book that' s not like 249 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.120 that I wanted. The feeling that whoever reads it is like my diary has 250 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.600 been stolen and you' re reading like in a super rich greedy way. 251 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.720 With things that sometimes we don' t necessarily dare say out loud. It 252 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.160 ' s a nice book with a great load of eroticism. There' s, 253 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.160 like, a lot of sex. The truth is there are many relationships 254 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.240 this person is almost using men as a mirror to understand who she is. 255 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.880 So, there are a lot of men, all very funny. Even villains 256 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:21.160 don' t have as their charm and good, I also used the part 257 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.039 of the periodic table that already as more for poetry. No. Then I 258 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:29.440 set the example that there is a chapter called Titanium that is from a painful 259 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:34.759 episode about an abortion. And then there I used to say like Titi when 260 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:38.599 something hurt me. And then there I made a whole poetic figure with the 261 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.160 repetition of the Titi, which is the other way around that at the same 262 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:48.240 time you are like the abbreviation of Titanium or, for example, maitnero became 263 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.920 an insult. It' s not like the book becomes an insult. Or 264 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.359 the Ganeson element I traded it for Organizon and it' s the allegory of 265 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.640 orgasm. The neon is like this idea of how this false light illuminates you 266 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.400 and that can sometimes be a guide, but it also sometimes loses us. 267 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:11.759 Through there and so each element has its meaning, whether it is its meaning 268 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.440 or its character or its poetic figure. I made up other elements because they 269 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.640 either didn' t reach me or there were some that already had some uncharismatic 270 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.160 names, not like a hecta, I don' t know what, and 271 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:22.200 it' s like, well, maybe I' d rather make up an 272 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:30.519 element. And well it also happens in Mexico City, it covers that period 273 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.279 of years I tell you up to two thousand seventeen and I think it is 274 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.839 a very rich reading that I tell you is very morbid in the good sense, 275 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.039 it is very honest, it is very I think that was the first 276 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:47.440 rule when talking about my personal life as well, being net as not wanting 277 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:48.240 to put me. I feel like then, when you write about yourself, 278 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.960 you want to make yourself look good. And here I think the other way 279 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.480 around is yes, sor very honest. Yes, and I hope that everyone 280 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.359 enjoys it, that as many people as possible read it. And another important 281 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.519 thing about the book is that, to me, to be just a lover 282 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.000 of design and art, I decided that, yes, I was going to 283 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.799 self- publish. There was a chance there to give the book another layer 284 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.960 like the part of the object. And then I invited an artist who I 285 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.720 ' m fascinated by his room of work called iváncras ojedich to make the cover 286 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.759 and he, along with his partner, in an office that has to be 287 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.599 called primate, made the interiors. And then, well the book, apart 288 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.279 from having a very nice cover on the inside, every element, every chapter 289 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:36.640 has its symbol. We stand out as some cenomatopeyas in larger typography. So 290 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.319 the result is like a very rich book in terms of its narrative and in 291 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.799 terms of how it is written, but it' s also like a beautiful 292 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.119 object, even if you wanted to have not like your living room. I 293 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:52.400 think there' s also my editor' s influence that now we have to 294 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.799 like get people' s attention and you have to put numerals and columns and 295 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:00.000 things so that in the three seconds you have your attention you get something cro 296 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.720 that also in that influence you notice in the way that is made book today 297 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.720 is very well. And besides, I think you chose the best creators to 298 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.000 give life to your book, because yes, I was fascinated by the truth. 299 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.920 I' m a big fan of his work and they understood perfectly. 300 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.359 I was a little afraid that, being a book a little so erotic and 301 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.640 putting it wrong I mean, I was afraid. There were two paths, 302 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:22.920 there were several graphic paths that scare me. No, first of all, 303 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.720 that they were going to do something obvious like a periodic table and that they 304 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.759 were going to be like the breaking Bad logo, not that it' s 305 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.759 the elements, like that it was okay in its time, but no longer 306 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:38.440 or that it was going to do like this kind of televised eroticism of the 307 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.480 nineties, like some legs in a red dress and some heels that is very 308 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:47.240 good, but it wasn' t like that of all that yes as the 309 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:48.720 equivalent of putting that little cliché yazze. I didn' t want that and 310 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.960 I think they understood it perfectly. They did something temporary, very fine, 311 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.440 very beautiful. Yeah, it' s just like a fair diary, yeah, 312 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.759 it' s got as a log to size, it' s very 313 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:06.440 comfortable and besides, it' s got like these colored watermarks as if they 314 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:07.720 were clippings from some newspaper. From there, my day was this and you 315 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.799 stick it just like almost scrap bucoso and also a little bit, the inspiration 316 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.680 of those stains that each element carries was that they were like fluids, because 317 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.039 I tell you, it is a book very much because with many sweats much 318 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.640 in saliva much a book full of fluids. We' re made of fluids 319 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.079 then exactly, something very normal. Yes Father, hey, what I liked 320 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.160 most is just the sincerity that you had of whether I' m going to 321 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.960 make a book of myself, but stripping as you are commented in the presentation 322 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.160 that already happened to me that now than before, like the few people who 323 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.559 read it before publishing told me how ay felt like a lot of modesty that 324 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.319 it is very intimate. And I mean, that' s like I stole 325 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:51.960 your diary and understood the feeling, but I didn' t share it because 326 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:52.720 it was my story. But now that it' s been a couple of 327 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.000 years and one evolves and gets away from who was a little bit just, 328 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.200 that happened to me that I was telling them I felt like ay Chris' 329 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.359 aunt because you wrote, I mean, what a need but I think it 330 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.359 ' s one of the values that' s like a vomit, that' 331 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:11.680 s how I feel that' s the matter, that' s like the 332 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.720 vomit of all these memories and pains and congratulations, which as if it' 333 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.119 s no selenum, as if it' s a stone, it' s 334 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.519 funny and I did literature, but yes, the matter is like I really 335 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:30.240 feel like the feeling of drinking very well hears what connection you had to the 336 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:30.240 periodic table, because they could be hercular, not time, smell or things 337 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.079 of stones or so not. But you listen to the afternoon embrica how relative 338 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.559 it is. It' s very funny, because I in Prepa the matter 339 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:41.440 I failed was chemistry. Then something must be hidden there. We wouldn' 340 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.279 t have to leave it to psychoanalysis by now. There is also something that 341 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.880 I realized just not, as I am a lot to believe, as in 342 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.200 constellations and in which you pass after generation, generation after generation, things, 343 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.720 and just recently I just realized that my maternal grandmother always wanted to be chemical 344 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.440 and did not leave it and I said look at the best. It' 345 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.599 s like my form of tribute. But well, beyond that which I already 346 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.880 discovered later, I think I was already having as a first draft of the 347 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.880 first part, which is the relationship that in the book corresponds to a character 348 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:12.319 that is called Javier, and that is his element, is hydrogen, which 349 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:18.720 was a very complicated relationship. I had like that first draft and from there 350 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:22.559 I applied to a residence for writers in France, like on the outskirts of 351 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:29.599 Paris, a very small town and being there like I was there in a 352 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.160 beautiful space, watching dinner with the very romantic level and already had the book. 353 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:34.880 But I kind of missed something and I don' t know why there. 354 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.799 It came to my mind just when I was in Prepa that they made 355 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.319 us learn a lot of things, including the bones of the body, with 356 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.519 a song, the elements, and that' s when I did the chapter 357 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.079 of Titanium, that is, that at the time it wasn' t Titanium, 358 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.160 it was for Titi, because that' s what I was saying to 359 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:52.920 my wounds as a child and in that I don' t know why. 360 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.240 I kind of lacked musicality. For me writing is like composing, and in 361 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:02.160 that I remembered when I got started they made me repeat hydrogen, lithium, 362 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:06.880 hate paws and like something in the rhythm I feel like I said there there 363 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.200 is something after, like I agreed as clear Titanio Titi and I liked this 364 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.000 as counterpoint that Titanio is super strong and Titi was the other way around like 365 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.279 being vulnerable to pain. And from there I started to investigate the periodic table, 366 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:23.319 there as the tentative title of that project. I knew it wasn' 367 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.440 t the final title, but it was an address that was Stockholm sixty- 368 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.200 nine, which doesn' t exist. It' s another address. Stockholm 369 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.720 is in the Rosa area and this real address was in San Miguel Chapultepec. 370 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.920 But it was like the title for work and it was funny because the character 371 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.319 this hydrogen that I tell you was very suffered. Part of the problem with 372 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.720 that relationship. They were problems with the sexual part and then it became very 373 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.799 ironic to me that we lived well where we spent the most time. It 374 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.680 was a number sixty- nine of a street that has a load, a 375 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.960 clearly sexual connotation, and I said how and is the most sterile relationship of 376 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.759 sex. Not like it seemed very funny to me, because I always find 377 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:02.799 these patterns and after writing the so- called relationship with Titanium and Titi, 378 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.839 I started to investigate the periodic table, I realized that I invented it where 379 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.400 I took it in a year, one thousand eight hundred sixty- nine. 380 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.519 I started to feel very guided, like this thing I tell you says recruling, 381 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.519 like I felt I was guided by something bigger than me. Yes, 382 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.720 of course everything starts to fit exactly and looking for how in the mande biography 383 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.960 it takes him there were some things that looked like this hydrogen character and then 384 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.200 I realized that his daughter had married a musician, like I started to find 385 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:32.799 patterns that were left with my story and from there to you already took home 386 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.200 very well, yes, yes, literally everything was lining up and fitting, 387 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.519 just like when you started to realize that if it' s the right way. 388 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.240 And you follow it and they started to happen as almost mystical coincidences that 389 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:52.000 I said as if I invented you a character and I say is I don 390 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.880 ' t know Tulio, without knowing the characteristics of yours, because today I 391 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.240 didn' t know so much at the time of research, it turns out 392 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.079 that it was like saying if you were volatile, and it turns out that 393 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.079 Tulio volatile, explosive. Then I tell you I started to feel for something 394 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.519 bigger than me and that inspired me so much to end. Oh, it 395 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.359 ' s so good to follow instincts and he' s a pain in the 396 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.440 ass. That' s why it took you to make your big, amazing 397 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.799 book. Yeah, he' s a pain in the ass. How good 398 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:19.200 it is that it caused me so much stir that your book was so forthright. 399 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.920 I mean, I haven' t read it, unfortunately, I' 400 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.319 ll soon learn it soon enough. Here we have a lot on TI Radio. 401 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.599 We read a lot of that, yes, but what they were telling 402 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.880 about and you were talking about. It made me very frank to talk about 403 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:38.160 those problems that sometimes it is not easy to say them, not even to 404 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.319 write them down. Not sure, then come to a book and say face 405 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.559 to face those situations that, perhaps already had passed and relive them because you 406 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.599 have to give life to the book, etcetera. It makes me something very 407 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:55.680 human, yes, and unusual, because often we face that self of the 408 00:26:55.680 --> 00:27:00.039 past and we keep having it there sometimes or suddenly forget it. No, 409 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.440 and you didn' t want to give him life in a book. And 410 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.799 what father, what caused me to stir here is like all those people who 411 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:11.599 are in the book. What they said to you, they loved you about 412 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.920 the lawsuit, they got angry or they said ah well, pulo, that 413 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.000 is because it is very valid, because it is with some I no longer 414 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.799 spoke, that is to say with some they do not answer the phone, 415 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.240 let' s say ok with others. They' re great friends who were 416 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.279 like different reactions. Not since I love that you wrote it. Zero I 417 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.920 want to read about your other lovers. I' m not even interested in 418 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.720 it I' m dying to read it It' s amazing. I respect 419 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.519 you very much as a creator. Nothing more. Please don' t name 420 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.240 me. Ok another specific that was if by my name, don' t 421 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:56.359 name my job project, someone who had a gallery. Out there greetings to 422 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.759 others that it was not or super loving of you and I did nothing wrong. 423 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.960 Of course, by my name of everything, the truth is that there 424 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:10.000 were all kinds until those who didn' t and didn' t answer me 425 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.680 go in general. Yeah, I tried to warn them all. I think 426 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.200 something that made it easier not for them to love the idea, but most 427 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.839 of them are people who are either musicians or cigney directors or actors or these. 428 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.680 I feel that somehow it can hit them, but at the same time, 429 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.319 they also use their experiences in their work at best in a less direct 430 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.359 way, but they have half the sensitivity so that, even if they hate 431 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.839 it, they understand it or not. And I also tried to be ethical 432 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.839 and like if there was something about them that was very much that I wouldn 433 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.480 ' t dare put on myself, not put on or disguise some things. 434 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.400 There are some who recognize themselves more than others, but go is not that 435 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.000 they are grat piet that in the street they will know how ah is d 436 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.359 PI. Yeah, so they' re people that someone from the description. 437 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.240 Maybe there' s ten people like that, not sure, so that also 438 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.400 helps. This may. Yes, I think it did cause me the or 439 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.279 good to balance the people that are there in the book, but I said 440 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.680 well, x already did and not even if it was one of my compares, 441 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.480 that is to say I think that what scared me most the weeks before 442 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:17.839 the presentation, I just told them that yes I entered as in a major 443 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.440 crisis they will know by if I get up I tell you at 4 in 444 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.160 the morning. There are and also not just with them, with my surroundings, 445 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.640 not because, for example, now there are things that it is one 446 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.039 thing to be very honest with your friends and another thing is to hold with 447 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:33.920 your uncles and with your hand. That even though you' re already a 448 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.559 certain age and you' re not a teenager and you don' t owe 449 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.000 them anything, because there are things you usually prefer not to say exactly yan 450 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.079 yes. That' s why it was when you said that and I said 451 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.640 good is that it' s very public. No yes, it' s 452 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.400 beyond putting it on social media. It' s a book that talks about 453 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.359 you and that a lot of people are going to find out things that I 454 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.920 didn' t know and between them your family. I totally do. I 455 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.480 think I' m just navigating that trauma, I' m barely settling in 456 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.160 to you, but you do know where I hooked up a lot with you 457 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.480 that I said ay is that this resonates far beyond the relationships that Datin does. 458 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.720 We already knew we' ve all been through, but we' re 459 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.920 going through that. When you said Titi' s how you tell your wounds, 460 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.119 that' s when it resonated with me, because I from Chiquita, 461 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.400 told my wounds coconut. So I was telling my mom I have a coconut. 462 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.160 Then he' d cure me. No. So, when you said 463 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.160 that, I said," I' m the one who put it in 464 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.559 the book" And that' s when I hooked up and when you started 465 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.599 talking about yourself that you were telling in the book about your relationships that you 466 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.759 ' ve had, and so on. Very much of you I also resounded 467 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.720 a lot a movie called someone has to know that comes out of Dyan Keton 468 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.119 to what So today is a beautiful and plays the role of a writer and 469 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.880 just for but she writes plays. So, in the new play that I 470 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:56.960 didn' t know what to do, write your love relationship or be failed 471 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.319 with Jack Nicholson and put it into play and put it in the liter really, 472 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.759 that is to say change the name and everything. But because the character 473 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.359 is literally him and when they watch him in scenes like me, why are 474 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.960 you telling that then he has related me to the eastern audio of Euphoria, 475 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.400 not the exact display Adown. I feel like that' ll be all the 476 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.880 men who' ve gone out with me. But yes, I don' 477 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.079 t know. If he was up to me a little bit because the end 478 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.200 isn' t like being this sell- out and it' s gonna be 479 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:23.480 you you made me. I mean, as I think, they' re 480 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:29.039 pure characters full of flaws and the one with the most flaws is me and 481 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.200 sometimes there are relationships that don' t work for moments of life and it 482 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.960 has nothing to do with the other person being bad. They' re just 483 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.920 not for you and I hope that at some point they can see it as 484 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.119 a great compliment, that they are my muses and that I even the most 485 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:51.799 villains adored them and to some extent I adore them and so adore them that 486 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.559 I spent not only the time I was with them, but the time is 487 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:59.160 a lot of time it takes you to write, plus the time it takes 488 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.799 you to edit and it was clearly very exhausting emotion. Again I imagine reliving 489 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.160 those things, but at the same time, there were moments that made me 490 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:12.119 remember all the beautiful or all the funny things about those people and that there 491 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.759 are even very nice moments. I mean, I think that in the most 492 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.960 intimate moments with each other they' re not, because part of this code 493 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:23.119 of self- imposed ethics was there are things that I want to keep being 494 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.240 just ours and maybe they' re not. Or there are even some characters 495 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.839 that I already saw in retrospect, that is if you read the book, 496 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.519 for example, the character of California, because it seems that it was just 497 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.920 we looked like a thing of friends with rights and I already wrote it. 498 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.599 It was like ay no and the day he made me dinner and the day 499 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.279 he invited me to do, I don' t know what to do on 500 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.960 a trip. And it was as clear, but it' s set from 501 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.480 that point of view, because at that point it' s what I saw. 502 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.599 I didn' t give myself to see. I was really stuck in 503 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.640 the way they rejected me. I didn' t realize how many people I 504 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.519 turned down. So, in that case, the narrator is kind of unreliable, 505 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.359 and I think that that that I did demand there was a claim to 506 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.680 that of hearing, but it wasn' t the dria. Of course not 507 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:01.960 fascilla. It was like I lived there at the time of being lost. 508 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.000 But of course I recognize all the amazing things that I wasn' t willing 509 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:13.359 to receive and surely they will also have theirs of reality, jumps that read 510 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.400 it not, because of course, what they don' t want to read 511 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.079 hear is that yes. So it' s something to face a lot of 512 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.279 things, not and if to put people up again and serve them again is 513 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.160 something very human and I really applaud you for having the courage to write and 514 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.240 publish it and say, for this is me, this is the real Chris, 515 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.880 not in some way, because you altered it some things and everything, 516 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.279 but it was ethical and smart. It' s not your story anymore, 517 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.480 and you caught it incredibly. I mean, the truth is, yeah, 518 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.240 when they were talking about the book, if I was hooking up because I 519 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.880 said it' s not gossip, it stays over your life. No, 520 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.200 but the way you talk about things and how you combine the elements of the 521 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.400 periodic table and how they change their names, and so on. It does 522 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.920 something to me, something very creative of you. Really. Yes, I 523 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.839 think he heard something super rich, not to throw flowers, but I think 524 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.440 that' s what beyond gossip, there' s a proposal as aesthetic or 525 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.599 exact how to use the elements to create this new universe and this new language. 526 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.400 Yeah, this is amazing and good. We' ve got to make 527 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.000 chrise now. What is there to eat book, what is Chrise doing now, 528 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.719 that is to say, trying to get as many people as possible to 529 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.000 read it. It is now on sale on my website, but the idea 530 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.039 is that it is for sale in many more places to make it more accessible. 531 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.920 And beyond that, I have a couple of projects, i e freelance, 532 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.199 that all of a sudden they ask me for editorial things. I' 533 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.000 ve got a project of events and experiences called a boxlist, so let' 534 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.320 s say that' s where my rent comes from and I' m looking 535 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:45.320 for what you' re going to do to the next one right now. 536 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.480 In the coming weeks I helped organize an art exhibition. There are always things 537 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.079 related to the same thing, writing, culture, events, that is how 538 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.400 that is the universe in which I move. And because sometimes it' s 539 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.239 more events, sometimes it' s more literate sometimes it' s more flirting 540 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:06.000 there than even public relations. But in the end everything has to do with 541 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.119 my passions, which I tell you are literature, design, cinema, events. 542 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.400 As long as I love eating well, drinking well, now I do 543 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.440 pleasure all his things, yes, all his versions. Oh, it' 544 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.440 s so cute. How good I am and how good that you continue to 545 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.519 relate to it, because it is very yours and it is good that it 546 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.559 is still you in the whole extension of the word. Hey and which one 547 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.400 I mean, I know you got your book out right now and it' 548 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.840 s amazing. I wish some of mine, so a book I' ll 549 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.800 tell you there. Yeah, please, yeah, better this one. I 550 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.599 know she' s a cousin opera right now and she' s super excited 551 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.760 and I' d be just like you. But what would be, as 552 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.840 your great goal to say I want to do this, or if it came 553 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.800 to me, it would be like the most outstanding thing of my entire career. 554 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.199 What would it be. Oh, boy. I have many dreams that 555 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.239 should embarrass me. I mean, I want to keep writing. I would 556 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.440 like this to be the first of many books. Now what I' m 557 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.039 most interested in is good fiction as a literature, because just this one, 558 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.519 because it takes so much from me and that I' d like to create 559 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:09.920 a character that is, that doesn' t take anything from me. That 560 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.360 would be my big dream, not to be able to write something about someone 561 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:21.760 who' s completely opposed to me. I' d like to go on 562 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.159 a tour writing more audiovisual materials, like in scripting, whether it' s 563 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.840 a series, a movie, that would be a great dream. Eventually I 564 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.760 would like to be a documentary, that is to create with everything I love 565 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.519 the theater, that is what I like, such as to be able to 566 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:40.000 explore writing in all its versions, from scripting or literature and so on, 567 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.119 and keep creating. I mean, could I tell you how amazing it would 568 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.039 be if we did odd elements in the series? How incredible would it be, 569 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.840 in thirty years, to revisit these characters and make even elements? How 570 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.840 exciting it would be what I told you to do a book that had nothing 571 00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.320 to do with me, how exciting it would be to write a script and 572 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.239 bring it to the screen and why not in a few years, that is, 573 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.559 how about I just don' t do the script if I don' 574 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:07.360 t run it, I think that' s it. You have to have 575 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.159 dreams that are so big that you feel sorry to say it' s like 576 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.679 you' re not going to be able to do that and it' s 577 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.320 like I' m going to be able to do it and maybe you' 578 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.599 re going to dream about doing the Lord of the Rings and you end up 579 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.880 doing an independent production. But in the end, you did direct if you 580 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.440 wrote and if what you wanted is not, yes, it is very or 581 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.559 that I am already an age where you know how to adjust dreams, because 582 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.079 you already know what it costs, not just work, but budget. Yes, 583 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.280 but at the same time I know that, well, it will take 584 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.960 many years, but I will fulfill all. All right, it' s 585 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.599 amazing what a tall father this dream. You never know, I mean, 586 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.920 and I don' t even laugh at people who say they' re a 587 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.079 disciplinary multi- discycle artist. Sounds like a pleonasm to me. I don 588 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.079 ' t think everyone if you see well, that is, a little bit 589 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.519 of people who do one thing, have a lot of passions and that, 590 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.400 because there' s no need to stay in one. But I think now 591 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.320 to land stories in every media, that' s what wow look at sleep. 592 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.639 All right, that one' s amazing. And it' s good 593 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.119 that you want all dreams, because good all means forgive, because there are 594 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.719 many who say no. No, I don' t want the book anymore. 595 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.880 No more I want pure architecture. No, you, not what my 596 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:21.400 dreams are. That' s a nice phrase. I' m gonna keep 597 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:27.039 this. I liked that hey. And who your favorite writers are, who 598 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.400 you say. Those can never be missed. Mention me five, five, 599 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.519 I don' t know I' m gonna sound like a big grandchild he 600 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.280 ' s gonna say. You don' t know how to say a favorite 601 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.519 hair, because look at this book, it' s particularly nourished. I 602 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.519 read a lot as I wrote it to the likes of Alejandra Pizarnick' s 603 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.960 correction of poems. She doesn' t like this Belgian writer, who is 604 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.519 called Melino hom who just puts herself inside her stories. The last one that 605 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.679 just blew my brains out is this one of Adriano' s Letters Memories, 606 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.400 Adriano' s Memories of Margaret jus an NSAIDs Belgian. I don' t 607 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.199 know if I changed his name, but that happened to me that I always 608 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:07.679 emphasized the phrases that I like about a book and in that book it happened 609 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.480 to me that it was no longer better all lightning the whole book, I 610 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:16.639 mean that years ago it didn' t happen to me to say, wow, 611 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.559 this level of writing and I think that there are other contents as, 612 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.440 for the same reason that I like cinema and so on, I mean as 613 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.119 well as I wanted to write as Charly of Man, it was no longer 614 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:36.360 an eternal resplendent. It would be amazing, that is, it would be 615 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.800 incredible or what else. This isn' t a writer either, but just 616 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.199 talking about looking, without wanting I' m saying pure women and I don 617 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.239 ' t swear it' s not about quota. I don' t think 618 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.159 so. But, for example, I, when I saw Flieback, it 619 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.199 happened to me that it was like doing like her when she was big and 620 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.360 how to write so wet and as much as so. I don' t 621 00:39:58.800 --> 00:39:59.519 know, I loved it and, uh, right now, I don' 622 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.639 t know. I' m seeing what my next reading is. If you 623 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.119 have something you recommend to me, right now, we look for you, 624 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:10.000 now, we have a book here yes and also, which is like I 625 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.800 like to see later articles that, that is, as science or as well 626 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.559 as more for like to clean the palate. No, as you pay, 627 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.199 so do learning. But, well, I' m a long way from 628 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.400 reading, and I' m now in a moment to see what I' 629 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.360 m doing. I think, right now, I have an interest in terror. 630 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.920 I just saw that movie that there' s an original mute of the 631 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.239 forties and then they made one that made David Bowe' s song. He 632 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.320 ' s from cat people and I loved the mood with the VI and now 633 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.119 I want to stick to it. But in literature, then we must now 634 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.039 read literature as terror, suspense and terror. I think that' s what 635 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:52.199 you' re calling me. And basically without Karen Stephen king, I could 636 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.159 see that I hurt to write as many books as Stevens, that everyone else 637 00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.840 would make a movie to us would seem like a dream no, but it 638 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:00.920 ' s not the tone I' m looking for. It was Ahorita, 639 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.719 although she has amazing masterpieces. Yes, I' m very interested right now 640 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.000 in the idea of the essay I just read had read just your essays, 641 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.719 but not your books and I read this one from Johan Dedeon' s Year 642 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.039 of Magical Thinking and, as it was clear, I was interested in the 643 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.519 essay. Now then I don' t know, as I think for the 644 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.119 moment, in what I find my next novel, I think I' m 645 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.480 going to explore other formats like the essay or maybe the story. I have 646 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.840 an unfinished script from when I did my master' s degree that' s 647 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.639 just scary. Nothing more than there, like then it happens to me than 648 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.760 what I want to write as John and I say ay no how boring. 649 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.559 I want to write literature, since I' m making it literature is like 650 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.280 no, it' s a script and then I' m fighting with that 651 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.320 project. But you wouldn' t regret a play. I respect the theater 652 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.440 so much. I have taken acting classes many times I have staged three different 653 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.039 plays in which I performed everything. It' s not my hobby to lose 654 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.800 money, it doesn' t need to fascinate me, but I just respect 655 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.280 it very much. I don' t feel ready for that format. Or 656 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.360 that the closest experience I had was just that a friend who wrote a book 657 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.679 more like self- help, wanted to turn it into a play And just 658 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.039 as I knew that I had done two plays, we got together to try 659 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:22.280 to write and ended up being a knockout we couldn' t do anything and 660 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.039 then we recruited a director and he, based on our experiences, made a 661 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.159 play and introduced it and so on. That doesn' t appear in the 662 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.880 book, but not for now. No. Eventually I do, but I 663 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.840 still don' t feel like maybe that nothing. I know how the cosquiites 664 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.719 like right now, you have the one to read horror books maybe suddenly it 665 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.159 ' s like ay my now, I have how I want to write a 666 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.239 play. Yeah, maybe he' ll lend himself. Yeah, like, 667 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.119 right now, I' m telling you, I' m interested in rehearsal, 668 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.079 I' d be interested in finishing that unfinished script and eventually making another 669 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:51.760 novel, which is the character more like that. Yeah, I' m 670 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.119 tall, I' m suckers and I' m a woman, I' 671 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:55.199 m a total man, I' m a Mexican who lives in Alaska. 672 00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.840 That is all wrong, it is a universe that has nothing to do with 673 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:06.280 Christ' s multiverse, it is already Chris' s I don' t 674 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.360 want anything until thirty years. All right, how uneasinessful of me hear this 675 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.039 talk is incredibly joyous, but I hope that well, I don' t 676 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.800 wait there anymore I' m going to put it as goals that I don 677 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.000 ' t know the last time you come here to follow me when what else 678 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.440 you' re writing, because look at ideas, you' ve got a 679 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:27.880 lot of things, so you' re sure to land. Yeah, I 680 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.679 want to know if I keep knowing about you what you' re doing, 681 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.159 what' s the next book, what' s next, your next step, 682 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:38.559 because your next step can be a book or I don' t even 683 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.000 know what. We hope it is a book, among all things whatever it 684 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.159 is, but I want to know what you' re being. I thought 685 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.360 then that it wasn' t the last time you came here to irradiate to 686 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.480 tell us, because the talk is very joyful and what a beautiful personality you 687 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.800 really have is amazing and it' s good that you put it in a 688 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.800 book, because it' s a bit of you It' s not a 689 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.239 bit that you' re showing the world and that you bear having it at 690 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.039 home. That' s really not just any base. But I really applaud 691 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:08.280 you. And I would like to finish this great talk. The first shot, 692 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.760 because there will be a lot of men. What would you say to 693 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.639 the new generations that yes like you, have like many concerns to do many 694 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:21.679 things, among them maybe write or because many times they write and keep it 695 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.519 and do not publish it. What would you tell those creative people that they 696 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.599 ' re hiding there and you' re out. What would you tell them, 697 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.199 then, on the one hand, that they have patience for themselves, 698 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:38.000 that is, no one very few people are lucky enough to be as such 699 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.599 a spontaneous generation. It' s not like I' m already Borges, 700 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.079 not because you' re not a little likely to be patient, that you 701 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:46.800 do take your discipline very seriously. I think when you' re young, 702 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.599 there' s this temptation to first have the pose of a cursed poet or 703 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.639 writer who smokes and has cats and an exact alcoholic, not to take as 704 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.639 and of all the phrases you can take, you' re going to grab 705 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.159 it from heming and from drunk writing and sober edicts, don' t mean, 706 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.360 get to work sit down and spend a lot of hours editing, but 707 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:10.559 that' s like discipline no matter how much talent you have. You have 708 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:15.199 to have discipline that you don' t sit down. I think there' 709 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.199 s also this question of, like, having a job that pays for your 710 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.320 stuff, it doesn' t take away from you being a creator, that 711 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.880 is, it' s amazing that you have your life and that from nine 712 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.679 to six maybe you work in an advertising agency and then you go out and 713 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.039 spend the time that gives you your energy to write, that' s like 714 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:37.719 they' re not afraid of that, it' s not like there' 715 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.800 s because no, I mean, not everyone is going to be the person 716 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.400 who writes or the baby nepo and that their parents pay him to write from 717 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.920 a small point of view. Not then like that that they have the discipline 718 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.840 of their finding the balance between themselves, dedicating the time as to their writing 719 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.440 work or the dream, that they have, that they are not afraid of 720 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:04.079 having anything else, that they give them to eat, that they do not 721 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.280 fall like in these false poses of the suffering artist, that is as good 722 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.559 if you have it and it is given to you like that, but of 723 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:14.920 what you serve poses and you are not getting to write, that is, 724 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.119 you become a clearer one. There are millions of people so don' t 725 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.239 be afraid to knock on doors, that is, if they want someone to 726 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.400 read them and it' s their friend who also writes or reads a lot, 727 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.440 or if they have a chance to go with someone who' s better, 728 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.280 with more trajectory, that is, that they' re not afraid to 729 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.400 knock on doors, not only to publish them and give them chamba, but 730 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.199 also to have feedback, that they try to be with people who are also 731 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.840 creating, that is, whether they come together on Tuesdays, three writers exchange 732 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.360 ideas. I think that' s super rich. Sometimes listen to it from 733 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.840 others, sometimes not to listen to them, but to defend your own idea 734 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:53.400 and say nothing. I follow my path well and so that they are persevering 735 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.159 and that they seek the way, that is, maybe not everyone will have 736 00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.639 the luck to publish a physical book, but what if they make photocopies and 737 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.440 distribute them in the street in guerrilla format. It' s and they do 738 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.320 a pdf, or I don' t know, and they kind of believe 739 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:07.440 a lot in them, I think it' s tempting to think. I 740 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.400 ' m not gonna eat what I' m doing the book I' d 741 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.639 like to read better do. They' re in fashion, like a few 742 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.920 years ago, vampires and I bet you that because or that you won a 743 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.280 squirt of money. There' ll be a couple of cynics that work. 744 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.360 But I think it' s the other way around when it' s a 745 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.760 super honest job and it speaks from a very specific point of view. That 746 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.800 ' s when you can become universal. But then, let them work, 747 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:36.000 that they feel to work because they are talented and they are incredible, credible, 748 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.920 But we must also give them that waste and have talent and not work 749 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.079 it. No yes, exactly, just having him there all of a sudden, 750 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.400 because I had him. But because I never devoted myself to that and 751 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.639 clearly and you could have been a thousand times more, you wouldn' t 752 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:50.920 have dedicated yourself a little bit every day. Yes, exactly. That' 753 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.519 s jus discipline and that they fill up with references, that is me, 754 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:58.760 Sometimes it seems that it' s not clear if you want to be a 755 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.199 writer, because it would be very step- by- step that you read 756 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:02.519 a lot, but also that they have other references. In other words, 757 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.639 go to a concert in the Alanese go to a museum that on Sundays is 758 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.559 free, go to exhibitions, see what other creators are doing to the best 759 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.719 visual or plastic. But in the end everything talks like the world we are 760 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.440 in and is always very inspiring. They say there are no original creators, 761 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.159 that we all plagiarize. But what are you feeding him, that is, 762 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.119 what are you plagiarizing? You decide that you' re going to plagiarize, 763 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.960 that is, eat good references, have a good mental and emotional diet. 764 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.199 Good. That' s very good, Christon. It was really a pleasure 765 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.480 to have you here with us to say radios, but I swear I' 766 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.039 m not going to take care of you last time I' m going to 767 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.880 look for you under the stones to keep telling them what people are, because 768 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.320 you do a lot of things. I hope I have more projects to present 769 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.000 and secure, and nothing safer if I have no doubt about that. Thank 770 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.000 you so much for being with us. Truly many congratulations on this book the 771 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.199 first of many. I' m sure and well, good for real. 772 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.719 Thank you very much, thank you very much to you, thank you all 773 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.679 for listening. Thank you very much and well, thanks also to the audience. 774 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.039 Thank you for listening to us this season. And we' re almost 775 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.960 nowhere near the closure. So wait for the next episodes because they' re 776 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.559 already the last ones along with Chris' s. So don' t miss 777 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.559 them. Remember we' re on all the music streaming, there' s 778 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.360 no loss. They find us like Irradius East and well, behind me he 779 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.079 doesn' t get alone from R Radio without broadcasting. Remember that the new 780 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:27.440 programs are coming Lorena and Emiliano Este is coming separately and that they are going 781 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.320 to be two new programs here in di radioas and that they do not miss 782 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.880 them because there will be a lot of design, a lot of architecture, 783 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.800 a lot of cinema also then they do not operate it because they will be 784 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.880 very entertaining. I' ll say goodbye. I know they' ve got 785 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:38.559 Ramirez and we' ll listen to the next one. Bye Bye.