1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:13,279 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:18,320 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. The instruments here are going crazy. I think 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,839 what we've been suspecting all along may already be happening. Doctor, I'm almost 5 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:27,000 sure of it. Get into your choppers and head north immediately. Don't stop 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:01:07,159 for a thing. Hello. This is Michael Phely and you're listening to the 7 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,760 Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal network, and this is Paranormal 8 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:25,239 Dimensions with David Young. Hello and welcome to the show. I hope everyone's 9 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:27,120 he enjoyed the summer. I know it's too hot for some and not hot 10 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:30,400 enough for others here in the UK. It's just about the same as normal, 11 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,280 really, I have to say. Anyway, talking of summer, we 12 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,879 have an a normally that normally happens most of you in the summer, and 13 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,560 that's crop circles. And this brings beyond to my guest for this particular show. 14 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:44,239 His name is Gary King and he's a crop circle expert. He's been 15 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:48,120 on many shows and finally you've managed to get him on this show. We've 16 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,319 been waiting quite a while to do this, so I'm certainly looking forward to 17 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:56,239 it. So, without any further ado, i'd like to introduce mister Gary 18 00:01:56,359 --> 00:02:00,239 King. Oh, Gary, Welcome to the show. A real pleasure to 19 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,480 be here, David. I've been waiting to come on your show and talk 20 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:07,400 to you for quite some time. We've been friends on Facebook for a number 21 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,759 of years, and I see that we've got a lot of ideas and views 22 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,159 in common, so I thought this would always be an interesting chat. Yeah, 23 00:02:14,159 --> 00:02:16,680 we certainly have, but I know we've passed a few words better forwards. 24 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,319 Occasionally you're about different things. It's not really about crop circles, which 25 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,120 is what I hope to be talking a lot about on this particular show. 26 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,159 Because I know you're I could ask you use an expert. In fact, 27 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:32,360 you're the King, do you. Yeah. It's always a bit weird when 28 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,960 people say those things, but yeah, yeah, thank you. I mean 29 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,680 I've spent I suppose time served is the thing I've done. I've done a 30 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:43,080 fair bit of time around the crop circles, so I can say that, 31 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,719 yeah, I mean, it's something that's fascinated me, and I'm sure a 32 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:51,039 lot of people out there, and I'll just said, to your fear And 33 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:53,560 it's funny enough. As long as I've been doing this show, crop circles 34 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:59,520 haven't really cropped up, cropped up, cropped up that much on this particular 35 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,479 show. Sorry for a pun, I was also an unintended pun that was 36 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,319 but it hasn't sort of come up very much on this show, and it's 37 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,240 something that's sort of quite fascinated me. As I said, over the years, 38 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,120 I think one of the I think one of the earliest books I've ever 39 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:19,280 riddled it was The Circle Makers by Andrew Collins. I mean, I think 40 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,479 it goes back probably better Circular Evidence, Circular Evidence. I think there is 41 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,840 his first book, Circular Evidence. Yeah, yeah, because I know, 42 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:30,879 I think Andrew has kind of drifted away from I know, I know it's 43 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,120 still interesting him, I know, but he's gone on to more of the 44 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,520 ancient aliens type of stuff now. Um. Yeah, I think he was 45 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,840 one of the first person of people that I got sort of interested me in 46 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:49,319 the Corop's circle phenomenal accredited with bringing a lot of people into them, bringing 47 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,360 attention to it for sure. Yeah, I mean, we've got The funny 48 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,719 thing is we've got Andrew Collins and we've got college Andrews and Andrews, yeah, 49 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,400 which people do get confused about it sometimes. Are you talking about Colin 50 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:02,919 Andrews or Andrew Collins. I'm talking about Andrew Collins, Andrew Collins, right, 51 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:08,199 okay, but I'm also sort of about colored Andrews. Colin Andres wrote 52 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,280 the book Circular Evidence. But Andrew Collins, Yeah, he was involved for 53 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:14,759 a while and he's yeah, as you say, he's more now on sort 54 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:17,759 of. He runs tours with Hugh Newman to go back. Yeah, yeah, 55 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,439 those sorts of places. Yeah. I was in South Africa with a 56 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,079 pair of them back in twenty and fourteen. After Wow, yeah, yeah, 57 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,639 fantastic. You know, we had a great time. Went to Adams 58 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,319 Calendar and we went to we were Michael Tellinger and we went to went across 59 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:38,399 the boarder into the Zimbabway to see the so called giants footprint and wow, 60 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,879 it was a great confidence. Brian Forrester was there, John Martineau, you 61 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,079 know, really good, good vibe, really good. We stayed up late 62 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:49,120 till four in the morning, drinking single Morton talking and right. So you 63 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,079 would be a very good condition the next day that no, not really pretty 64 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,519 good. Well you're funny enough that Andrew Collins, you put Philly in me. 65 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,959 Yeah, there is about self twenty minutes away from me. Yeah, 66 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:12,199 so he's part of the South end Ufo paranormal group I'll go to as well. 67 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,759 Something that show up occasionally when he stop Brazil and ancient aliens and stuff 68 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,560 like that. Andrew is not calling and yeah, I know you are. 69 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:24,800 Yeah, that's a mean sly Gary. I mean, I mean, I've 70 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,800 got my beliefs in this, but there's a there's a lot. I think 71 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,199 there's a lot of controversy about cup circles, but a lot of people think 72 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,519 that they're all fake. I mean I don't think for one minute they're all 73 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,920 fake, but I do think that some of them are fake. Yeah, 74 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,399 I mean that's fair fair to say, isn't it. I think it's I 75 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:45,519 think it's silly to say that you think that they're all genuine and that people 76 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,800 haven't copied a kind of idea or gone out and how to go themselves or 77 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:56,639 try to trick people. I mean, there's been several several good examples along 78 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,199 the years where you can see people go out them. They've been well documented. 79 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,279 The competition that went on many years ago was well watched and publicized. 80 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,000 It of about ten hours with various groups making crop circles back in the about 81 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:16,319 ninety one ninety two something like that. And then obviously since then there's been 82 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,879 other examples where they've been made for television, they've been made for ancient aliens, 83 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:27,560 they've been made as sort of firm TV advertising campaigns. But they've hired 84 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:32,040 you know, the regular sort of guys who John Lundberg and Rob Irvin and 85 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:36,959 Matthew Williams and other people who've put themselves forward as circle makers, and they've 86 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:41,079 gone out and made things which which we can see, and then we can 87 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,160 cat we can compare those and on what those those demonstrations of shown us how 88 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:50,439 they do it, what working conditions they have worked under, etc. To 89 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,839 other examples of crop circles which which we know of appeared in just four or 90 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,000 five hours of darkness in midsummer, And we can compare the quality of the 91 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:08,879 lay of the crop and how damage to be. We can compare the size 92 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,680 of it compared to how long it takes a group of people to make another 93 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,079 one. We can we can add the difficulties of doing it in the dark 94 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,720 compared to doing it in daylight on a flat piece of ground compared. Yes, 95 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,759 something that always gets to me. You know, somebody's are so complicated, 96 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,279 and I can't imagine that people will make these so complicated patterns in the 97 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:32,920 dark. You know. Well, yeah, that's that's you know, that's 98 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,160 the thing. See, I like to consider myself to be quite a grounded 99 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:40,839 person. My dad was a bricklayer, and one of the things that attracted 100 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:46,040 me to Michael Glickman's work was that he was an architect and he understood about 101 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,600 building things and making things and designing and making things. You know, he's 102 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,920 an expert. He taught at university about it. He worked with Charles Eames, 103 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:58,560 the famous designer, So you know, you had you had a man 104 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,800 there who would say very grounded things like, look, you know, if 105 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:05,319 you do a building project, they never ever come in on time, and 106 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,040 they always go over budget. And yet we see thousands and thousands of examples 107 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:16,040 where people have allegedly gone into a field at in darkness and I'm under and 108 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:20,519 after about four or five hours have completely cleared the field, left no trace 109 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,920 whatsoever. And not made a mistake and brought the whole project that can be 110 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:30,519 hundreds of meters in in scale, and they brought it to fruition. And 111 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:35,799 he said to do that over and over and over again and and not not 112 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,240 make a mistake and not go over time or budget was in his view impossible. 113 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,960 And so I like those kind of grounded explanations, you know, they 114 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,200 make sense to me. Yeah, I mean also also I think to lectually 115 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,240 produce some of these very complicated ones. You can imagine being out and they've 116 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,240 got really bright lights and order to be able to see what they're doing overder 117 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,720 to shoot him anyway. Yeah, there's examples you can go on. If 118 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,120 you go on YouTube, you can watch a video of twelve students from the 119 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,360 University of Oregon, I think it was, who made a crop circle for 120 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:15,320 the Mozilla Firefox, and it's well documented. They took lots of photos. 121 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,759 They never made a crop circle before, so they had to work on what 122 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:22,480 everybody else did with boards and rope and think, right, okay, how 123 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,200 do we design this, how do we quadrant office circle? And how do 124 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,360 we work in day, night and nighttime? And you can watch the whole 125 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:33,240 thing and they had an aeroplane that flew over periodically and sort of come landed 126 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,440 and showed them the cameras so that they could see where they need to add 127 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,759 a bit or take a bit away or whatever. They had guys on ladders, 128 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,080 they worked all through the daylight. When nighttime came, they had torches 129 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,679 on their heads and radios that you could hear blasting that was, and forwards 130 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,080 to give instructions, and so you can see the whole process. That's fair 131 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,879 enough. And then there was another one recently with Ashe Beer, the Japanese 132 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,840 beer company. They spent a million bucks, million dollar campaign, well publicized, 133 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,879 hired a piece of land in Australia or New Zealand, lank got forty 134 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:11,639 professionals ground surveyors and land workers and drone operators and all these sorts of people, 135 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:18,600 and they worked for seven days from sunrise to sunset to make the replica 136 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:20,639 of the Ashaber label. And they didn't lay the crop down with boards and 137 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,759 rope. They cut it out with tractors and cutters and bushcutters. And they 138 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,840 use forty eight cans of spray paint. And these are professionals. And so 139 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,240 when you compare that too, you know, as I've said, the many 140 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,840 examples that we've seen that we know have shown up in the darkness of night 141 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:41,080 in about five hours, you have to ask yourself the question, how did 142 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,639 they do that? And whenever we've asked these people who go and make them 143 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:50,039 for public demonstrations to do a demonstration under the same conditions at darkness without being 144 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,480 detected with lights in the distance and so on, they never do. Yeah, 145 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,440 because also they're quite a well away from a lot of main roads and 146 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,039 things. Usually you don't like what often some times they are, yeah, 147 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,279 but quite often they're not. You know, the farm roads that you know 148 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:09,000 that run through at barns and various other places you know, there's there's usually 149 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,759 and there's usually you know, roads that are near enough that you would see 150 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,480 lights flashing around in the distance if in the middle of a field. You 151 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,960 know, these these areas are really really dark at night. They don't have 152 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,480 street lighting. The only street light the only lights you'll see it from car 153 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,360 headlights driving down lanes. And so if any one does switch a light on 154 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,360 torches or multiple people and you you were driving through that area at night, 155 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,679 you would see them. Yeah, sure, no problem. And of course 156 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:43,120 when you when you start out on a project like that, you really you're 157 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,919 committed to finishing it or you caught sort of just seeing all quit the farmers 158 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,039 covered all want to run away because that's right. Yeah, no one, 159 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,879 none of them ever have been caught by a farmer in mid Midia. I 160 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:56,200 mean, you know, there's been some there have been some questionable things where 161 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,759 some people have allegedly, you know, walked out of field where a crop 162 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,480 circle has appeared, and a farmer's happens to have caught them with a board 163 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,240 and they've got the smoking gun evidence. Oh he must have made because he's 164 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,559 got a board and he was just coming out of that field kind of deal. 165 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,360 It doesn't really prove you know that we you know, in order to 166 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,080 do that, we need to see video of or photosoraphicers and making it, 167 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,840 which which we don't often see. So um so that makes it, that 168 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,120 makes it more difficult. Yeah, yeah, I mean, can they actually 169 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:26,559 those very complicated bunds you know, you know the one I'll talk to. 170 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,639 Yeah, the really complicated on was can they really do that sort of thing 171 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,679 with boards and bits of rope and stop measures and got else. Michael used 172 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,919 to give some wonderful examples. Right, Like, so for let me let 173 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:41,759 me take I'll take two examples. Right. So if you if you're going 174 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:46,120 to make let's say you go on a flat piece of ground and you decide 175 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:52,639 that you're going to make ten circles that are ten feet wide in a straight 176 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,399 line. Um, and in between each circle there be about four or five 177 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,960 heads of wheat separating them, so you can see a clear separation of the 178 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,879 circles with a little bit of standing wheat. Right, You're gonna do it 179 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,639 a straight line to go. Okay, so we're gonna have a radius of 180 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,919 five feet each, right, So okay, let's the sticker steak in the 181 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,559 ground. Let's measure out five foot Let's make a circle. So now in 182 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,200 order to get to your next center, you need to go ten feet plus 183 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,159 a few inches for your center. Mark, mark out your center, and 184 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:31,320 then five foot radius and you make another circle. Right, So you do 185 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,200 that ten times, and you've got a line of circles that are ten feet 186 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,879 wide. You've got a little gap in between them. Okay, straightforward. 187 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:45,519 If you want to do that on undulating ground, on ground that isn't completely 188 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,320 flat, which most ground is it? Really? Which which most isn't ninety 189 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,960 I'd say over ninety percent of crop circles do not appear on flat ground. 190 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,799 Then you've got a little bit more of a challenge because you've got to compensate 191 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,000 for the topography, because when you look at a picture of a crop circle, 192 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,000 it looks like it's on the two dimensional postcard, but it actually isn't. 193 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,600 And so what's happened is that they're not really crop circles, they're crop 194 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:13,159 ovals, so that they look circular from the air to compensate for this topography 195 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,720 of the ground. So that makes it more difficult. Okay, so let's 196 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,240 add another level of complexity. On the eighth of August two thousand and eight, 197 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:22,799 as a result of something that happened to me on two thousand and seven, 198 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,279 seven seventy seven, there was a mass night watch that was organized on 199 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,399 the eighth of August two thousand and eight by me, and about two hundred 200 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,240 people turned up. We went to Napile, and we went to Milk Hill, 201 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,200 and some people went to Barbee cass and we staked out various fields to 202 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:43,559 do a night watch, and film crews were there and various other people were 203 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,519 there and at first light under Milk Hill, there was a huge formation of 204 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:54,600 an eighth, okay, and it was two big circles of circles, and 205 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,919 those circles are of varying sizes. So so the eight, like the circles 206 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:05,519 of the eight, the figure of an eight, were made up of individual 207 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,879 circles that all had gaps in between them, and those circles went from say 208 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:15,799 ten feet in diameter to sixty feet in diameter, and they progressed as they 209 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:22,480 went around. Okay, So in order to do that on flat ground, 210 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,840 you've got to find the center of the circle of circles, right, and 211 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,200 then you've got an arc out a line that goes that finds what the center 212 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,600 of the first circle is going to be. Let's say that's the one that's 213 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,039 ten feet diameter, and then you've got to stamp out that, and then 214 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,679 then you've got to work out the arc of degree to go out around the 215 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:43,320 next circle so that you can get to the center of the next circle. 216 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,960 It's really difficult to do is about a diagram, but the level of complexity 217 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,720 to just do that on a flat piece of ground will be a nightmare. 218 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,279 But this wasn't on a flat piece of ground it. It was on its 219 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,679 weird, undulating piece of ground and there it was everybody. There were two 220 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,320 hundred people there the night before and there was nothing in the field and at 221 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,039 first light just after four there. It was never appeared on any newspapers. 222 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,679 You search for it on YouTube, you're not going to find it. I've 223 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,600 got footage of it. I've got photographs of It's one of my favorite photographs. 224 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,480 I took them up in the helicops and took a photographs. Right, 225 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,039 it's amazing. Yeah, it sounds it. I'll go to SAT look up 226 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,000 some information you've got if you've got any photos Pactually, you can send them 227 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,679 to me. Sure, yeah, sure yeah, I'll put them on the 228 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:30,799 peril with the mensions plage so people can see what you're talking about. Yeah, 229 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:34,440 Michael Glickman did a blog about that, what we were talking about. 230 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,639 If you go to his website which is still running since he died, Michael 231 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:42,399 Glickman on Crop Circles. There is a blog on there which explains what I 232 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,679 was trying to explain there without diagrams, and it has diagrams. Can really 233 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:51,679 visually see what what that would take to make that formation you were going to 234 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,679 hazard to have a go at it yourself. Sort you didn't explain it quite 235 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,879 well, y'a could see what you were talking about. You mentioned you mentioned 236 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,519 Matthew Williams earlier on actually met him a couple of years ago because when he 237 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:06,759 came when I did a Colonel Holt conference in the Woodbridge, he was actually 238 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:11,960 coming. He actually helped me look with technical stuff. He's very very good 239 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,000 and I didn't actually realize that he was the men who I think he's one 240 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,359 been one of the only ones that have been um put in a courtroom over 241 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:30,200 the cups circles he has. Yeah, there there's a story to that which 242 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,039 is controversial, controversial, but not very many people know about the story. 243 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,400 Well, what happened was at the time there was there was there has obviously 244 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:42,240 been lots of feuds between researchers and circle makers. It's weird, it's been 245 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,519 this strange feud um, but there we are. We can talk about that 246 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:53,599 in length. And so at the time Matthew Williams was going around and claiming 247 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,599 or claiming that he knew people. He was sort of a spokesperson, he 248 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,000 said for various crop circle makers that wanted to remain anonymous, and but they 249 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,200 confided in him that oh yeah, they gave him the nod that we made 250 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:12,319 this one or whatever. And then sometimes he would own up and say, 251 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,960 you know, I made this one. I confessed it's me, And so 252 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,519 he confessed it is this sevenfold crop circle that came up. And Michael Glickman 253 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:23,559 had always said, oh, it's really difficult to make sevenfold crop circles. 254 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:27,960 If you divide a circle by seven, it's not a whole number of proportion 255 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,759 is fifty one point five once. It's actually quite difficult to divide a circle 256 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,079 in seven. So so Michael said, if sevenfold one appeared and anybody claims 257 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:41,880 it, you know they're lying. So of course Matthew Williams claimed it and 258 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,279 said, yeah, I'll make that. So matt Michael Glickman as a result 259 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:49,839 that went to the farmer and and harangued the farmer quite a lot, right, 260 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,759 and said, look, this guy's owned up to it, you've got 261 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,680 to prosecute him. And the farmer was like, oh god, you know, 262 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,640 but Michael sort of forced it quite a lot. So in the end, 263 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 you know, the farmer made a report, so the police were dutif 264 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,160 you've lanned down to to to investigate, because I suppose they put it down 265 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,799 as criminal damage or so, yeah, it's criminal damage. So so so 266 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,359 so as a result of the farmer ringing the police, the police went round 267 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,079 Matthew's house. He had a board with a rope. The rope attached to 268 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:25,880 it leaned against the door as they went in and they said, we've gotten 269 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,640 We were investigating a report that you made a crop circle. He put his 270 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,359 hands and said, yeah, I did, a governor, it was me 271 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,880 As as the story is, really there's no proof, like in terms of 272 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,119 him and his mates they're photographing him doing it, or no other corroborating evidence. 273 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:48,359 It's basically confession only. Yeah, because he's got I think is it 274 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,839 a black malt or something he's got on YouTube or I'm not sure if it 275 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,039 still runs anyway, but he does all these sorts of unusual paranormal stuff where 276 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:02,079 he goes to investigating different areas where you're not supposed to go and stuff like 277 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,640 that. That's well, all I can say is he helped me out an 278 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:10,799 awful lot for that conference and and I'm very very great will go for too. 279 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,440 So Matthew, if you're listening with your doubt think be well, I 280 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,039 haven't seen him, to be honest, I haven't been like two out in 281 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:19,240 the fields very much over the last year. I was living in Mexico for 282 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:25,119 a couple of years, and um, I live in Bristol. Now I 283 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,119 don't live. I don't live. It's a bit a bit different than it 284 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,519 makes you come on Bristol. Yeah, there is a bit of a massive 285 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,079 difference. Just so you're around in the sun Brea. Yeah, that's it. 286 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,319 Yeah, that's it. Yeah, people can see it from starshing and 287 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:47,079 Maria. You put up quite an argument for faking um cup circles, but 288 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,000 obviously you believe that a lot of them are real as well. I do, 289 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,319 Yes, I do, now do you please? They are aliens. 290 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,559 I always try and like, you know, say that I believe to be 291 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,680 the truthfully, and that is that I don't know and nobody knows. Um. 292 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:10,039 I believe there's historical evidence from some of the literature I've read, but 293 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:15,400 mostly by a man called Jeffrey Kreipol, who's who's written several books. He's 294 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,359 sort of he's an academic who studied sort of mysticism and away mysticisms. Paranormal 295 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,799 things have happened to people. Over the years, he's written some really good 296 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:29,359 books and he makes the case that you know, which isn't a new argument, 297 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,160 but it's it's one where it says, there is a let's say, 298 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:41,599 um um, a completely pliable intelligence, right that can manifest itself to us 299 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:48,200 in a way that you know, we we can we can relate to. 300 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,119 So back in the day, it would be fairies. And because people believe 301 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,200 there were fairies down the garden in Mexico, tuper carbre. You know, 302 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,400 this thing could manifest itself, is tuper carbure, and you know, mutulate 303 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,839 cattle and do other sorts of stuff. And then and then, you know, 304 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,880 technological things have been in our world for quite a while, over one 305 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,839 hundred odd years. It's Vic's or in sort of you know, sentence on 306 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:18,359 the road down to cite more scientific things and so and so science and aliens 307 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,799 and those sorts of things being in vogue and obviously now being admitted by the 308 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:29,519 US government fine around so that they're no longer the stigma that's long been attached 309 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:32,799 to even talking about these things is slowly falling off. It's still there, 310 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,880 but with official kind of acknowledgement those things are happening, So it's easier now 311 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,519 to say, well, yeah, i'll put my I'll put my flag post 312 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:41,720 in the alien thing, because look, you know, the government is saying 313 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:47,640 over there that they really exist, but we don't know, and I don't 314 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,680 know. And to be honest, I've always said, if if you, 315 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,160 if you had if you woke up in the morning, you went downstairs and 316 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,039 there was this mysterious sort of note put through your door and it had this 317 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,279 symbol on it and picked out for what the hell is that? And you 318 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,359 walked out in your street and all your neighbors came out and said, we've 319 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,920 got one of these things and you say, oh, I've got one of 320 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,400 them as well. Ye know, what is it? I don't know. 321 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,200 We'll put it for our door. I don't know. Let's put some cameras 322 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 up and let's see if we can catch the bugger. So so you do 323 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,119 that for forty years, and over forty years you can't catch anybody doing it. 324 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,960 There's a few people say, yeah, they won't kind of prove it. 325 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,880 And you you know, you've got cameras up, and you've got people 326 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 out watching, you've got set in the other and these crimes are being committed 327 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,839 in the same place every year forty years, no one can catch him. 328 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,759 And then and then eventually someone says, you know, rather than trying to 329 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,240 find out who the postman is, why don't we try and figure out what 330 00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:41,519 all these symbols mean, because obviously the postman wants to remain anonymous. Really 331 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:47,119 if you think it's aliens or God, actually you know what I mean. 332 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,839 So so so then I started payment paying more attention to what the geometry was 333 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:52,720 about, what the symbols were about, or what, you know, what 334 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,079 the context of it could be about, Like with regards to Wiltshire and farming. 335 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,759 Why Wiltshire, why is it? Why are they're close to Stoning? 336 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,440 And what's the connection there and so on? And so that's when the world 337 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,200 open up to me. Then that that there was so much more depth to 338 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,319 this subject as soon as you peel back that layer of who's making them? 339 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:18,839 Yeah, um yeah, I can guess that would that would? I mean, 340 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,720 I'm trying, you know, I'm just trying to picture a street with 341 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:26,799 everyone getting bits of paper with designs on them, and but I can see 342 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,279 what you where you're getting at. I mean, to be honest, A 343 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,519 lot of those designs as well. Do you think that they're they're kind of 344 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,799 the same designs that we as we often see on things like ancient aliens, 345 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,200 a lot of the planes of NASCAR and stuff like that. Somehow, Yeah, 346 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:47,400 I mean, I've I've kind of like I codified the crop circles sub 347 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,799 several years back into sort of roughly five categories. There's there's the geometry, 348 00:24:52,799 --> 00:25:00,519 obviously predominantly geometry geometrical formations, but then next to that is religious and philosophical 349 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:07,519 symbols. So we've seen multiple account multiple instances of a crosses like Christ's cross, 350 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,519 we've seen We've seen the Jewish Minora, the Tree of Life. We've 351 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,400 seen the Yin Yang, the wings of Horrors. We've seen a bunch of 352 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:22,480 stuff which you know, points to symbols that man has created, and they're 353 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:29,079 symbols that we've created in relation to trying to fathom out the mysteries of cosmology 354 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,119 or the universe or the meaning of life or stuff like that. You know, 355 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,880 religion, is there a creator, the symbols that we've made about that. 356 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,799 The third categories sort of animals and insects. We've had lots of snails 357 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:52,160 or birds and ants and spiders and butterflies and moths and dragonflies and various things 358 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:59,279 like that. Right, they're very clear they're insects and birds and fish. 359 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,079 So so that that category then the fourth categories astronomical symbols. So we've had, 360 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,799 like, you know, in two thousand and twelve, we had a 361 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,960 formation in Avery Trust Low Avery manner where all the rings of where the planets 362 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,079 were going to be in relation to each other were marked out in a field 363 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,680 on the twenty first of December two thousand and twelve. So it was like 364 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,519 showing us a reminded us that that date, you know that everybody had prophesized, 365 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,119 meant something in relation to where the planets are going to be in relation 366 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,400 to each other. There's been snapshots of where planets were in relation to each 367 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,440 other on Earth on a particular day. I think it was the twenty six 368 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,359 June ninety six or something like that, where it was a crop circle that 369 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,400 was then, and so Professor Nick Cholestrom commented that someone would have to have 370 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:49,240 quite a lot of knowledge about you know, Perry Helian and various other with 371 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:55,359 astronomy to have been able to do that. So that's the astronomical fourth category 372 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,160 and the fifth categories abstract, there were just these kind of crescents that are 373 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:06,200 connected to lines and dots and um. And then and then in addition to 374 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,440 those sort of five broad categories, there are and there was more of these 375 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,160 in the early days where you have, you know, something that looks like 376 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:19,160 five circles in the field, like to one circle in the middle that's slightly 377 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,960 bigger like twenty foot radius or diameter. And then and then there were four 378 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,519 satellite circles they're equal distant from that central circle that maybe are ten foot in 379 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,680 diameter or five foot in diameter on the outside of them, like five spots 380 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,400 on a dice. And then when you when you sort of like study those 381 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,240 and that was studied by some really clever people back in the day, John 382 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:48,000 Martineau and Michael Glipman, John Michelle, they found hidden fivefold and eightfold geometry 383 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,640 within that. And so there's plenty of diagrams that people can see. And 384 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,759 when you and when you studied that, you realize that that those those forms 385 00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:03,279 that are hidden with in those crop circles that are given you this this hidden 386 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,039 fivefold geometry eight folgeometry. For example, is also hidden within nature. So 387 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,720 you find that most flowers a fivefold and then that the central circle where the 388 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,880 pollen is is of a certain ratio to the circumference of where the ends of 389 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,680 the leaves or petals would be. And you you know, you cut into 390 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,640 an apple and you see this perfect pentagram with the five seeds and is everywhere, 391 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,000 you know, and so and so the crop circles have been sort of 392 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:33,039 showing us what's hidden in nature because they've been hiding them inside crop circles. 393 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,599 That's been really interesting, Yeah, because I mean also, I mean they've 394 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,200 been seen over hundreds of years as well, the crop circles as I as 395 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,519 I understand it, and also in every country in the world. Also, 396 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,519 yeah, there's certainly reports that go back to at least sixteen hundred with your 397 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:59,240 famous and the now famous copper plate engraving of the mowing devil. But there, 398 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,759 you know, I did. I wrote sixteen episodes of crop Circles, 399 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 a series of sixteen episodes for GUY and TV in Spanish when I was in 400 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,039 Mexico, and one of them was on the history and I took a lot 401 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:14,480 of information from Terry Wilson's book on the history of crop circles that was really 402 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,640 good that you can get on Amazon is really inexpensive and he's done some great 403 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,880 work. But there's a cave painting in Australia that goes back forty thousand years 404 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,440 that really does seem to have a crop circle depicted them on it. So 405 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,640 who knows. I mean, seventy five percent of cave paintings that go back 406 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,960 forty five thousand years, they're all seventy five percent of them contain circles, 407 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,039 squares, spirals, triangles. They're geometrical in nature, so it seems to 408 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:48,799 have been something that human beings have been preoccupied with geometry for quite some time. 409 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:53,160 Yeah, certainly, I'll tell you what cross one. When you were 410 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,640 talking about the people that do the fake ones, Yeah, we've got I've 411 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,839 got off to a subject a little bit of But they t want to prove 412 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,319 that there are a radius or they trying to disprove it, you know, 413 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,599 in your opinion, I mean I was asked, I was asked this question. 414 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,960 I did a podcast recently for some port Portuguese researchers. I did a 415 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:22,599 conference in Brazil last November and mount with his UFO researcher there called I've forgotten 416 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,319 his name. Sorry at the moment he has gone out of my mind and 417 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,240 he are inviting me onto his podcast. So I went on there and one 418 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:36,160 of the one of the posts asked me about the report that various people who 419 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,440 make crop circles have reported that they have paranormal experiences when they're doing it. 420 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,839 This is well documented of people saying this. They say that they sometimes get 421 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,200 mysteriously a cloud or come over and cover them up and hide them in a 422 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,160 field when people are on the hill so that they can't see them. They 423 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,640 say that they get possessed with kind of the inspiration and the desire I popping 424 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,720 in their head from some other intelligence that then drives them out into the field 425 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,160 and compulsively makes them doing it, sometimes eleven o'clock at night and they just 426 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,039 get dragged dragged down there. They say that they get possessed with super super 427 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,799 normal abilities that can make them work very fast, because I mean, you 428 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,799 know, if you're walking around and you're lifting, you're on one leg essentially 429 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,359 right. And often crop circles appear in the pouring rain and the fields you 430 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,480 know they're on clay, especially in barns. So when you walk into those 431 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,880 crop circles within within a couple of steps, you know your feet are sort 432 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,599 of wigh in two pounds five poundshoots, So yeah, you really have Yeah. 433 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,599 So so so if you know, if you're doing it under those conditions, 434 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,720 and as I say, the fields undulating, you're going up and down 435 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,039 hills to make the stamp out miss crop, you know, essentially you're on 436 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,720 one leg. So you know, if I was a butcher, i'd be 437 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,839 I'd be certainly going after the left leg of these guys. You'd go around 438 00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:59,759 doing these things for five or six hours and stomping down crop and moving forward 439 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:05,400 on leg all the time. Yeah. But so so you go, Okay, 440 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,359 then, so these guys that you know, they're having paranormal experiences and 441 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,519 they're getting possessed by other intelligences, possibly ailing intelligences to give them the inspiration 442 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,640 or to give them the power to go out and make them right. So 443 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,920 then so then if that's the case, if I go on there and say, 444 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,319 oh, I was sitting on a hill with my girlfriend and this other 445 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,359 guy who met We've had a bunch of cameras aimed at this field, and 446 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440 when we got there, when he got there at eleven o'clock at night, 447 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,319 there was nothing in the field. And then about three o'clock in the morning, 448 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,640 we just saw a flash of light and we didn't really know what it 449 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,799 was. And then we looked through the camp lens of the camera and there 450 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,759 was this thousand foot crop circle in front of us with one hundred and fifty 451 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,359 circles in it. Right, and it's still dark and we haven't seen any 452 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,000 torches, and we haven't heard anybody because we've been there all night, and 453 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,799 the cameras been aimed at the field today really light sensitive cameras haven't picked up 454 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,079 any lights in the field or whatever. So so we say, oh, 455 00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,799 something paranormal at Well, then then these same guys who claim they make attack 456 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,200 us or a tack me right and say that I'm a fraud and I had 457 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200 it made Andy go like, well, hang on them, and that's a 458 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,079 bit We're why can't I have a paranormal experience. It doesn't involve it be 459 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,240 possessing you to go out and make it. Yeah, what if the aliens 460 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,240 or is have to work through you? Can't they just flash a light and 461 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:21,319 they got the you know, the magic railway, So you'd think they would 462 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,960 say, yeah, well, less stuff, weird stuffs happened to us when 463 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,839 we've been out making them. God, they can do all sorts, whoever 464 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,400 it is who's doing that, but they don't. They really viciously and have 465 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,440 done for years of a campaign of attacking us and saying that they only go 466 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,000 out and do it to reveal to these other people that we're just fraudsters making 467 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,599 money on books and this and the other. But I've never written them. 468 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,480 I've never written a book in twenty five years or maybe all too. So 469 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,359 that confuses me, to be honest with you, David, that they sink 470 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240 to play on. I don't know what their motivation is. When Michael used 471 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,880 to ask them years ago, they used to say, I can't work exactly. 472 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,680 They quite know it's for the It was for the for the hell of 473 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,079 it, just to just to just to fool people, just to deceive people. 474 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,440 They've got a thrill out of it. Yeah, because that doesn't make 475 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,760 sense to me to go to go through all that work just to say, 476 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,440 yeah, just to prove one way or the other that to that they're existing, 477 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,079 but of course you've actually manufactured their existence. Yeah, you're going out 478 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:28,000 to prove that they don't exist because you manufactured the fact that they don't exist. 479 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,320 It don't make It's too much old work for me to get my head 480 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,480 rails. It is too much of hard work. And and and you know 481 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,679 when you when as I say, when you and the weird thing is is 482 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,119 that is that since the campaign of oh it's all man made, you can 483 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,119 all go back to what happened with Doug and Dave back in the early nineties. 484 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,400 It's amazing how much that campaign it's stuck in people's minds because when you 485 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,159 bring up the subjects of crops it to people. Now they still got ourselves 486 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,199 two old guys, isn't it. Yeah, they died long to logoes. 487 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,519 It's amazing. And you notice from what you know in other media things, 488 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,559 you know, people's heads getting planted with you know, if you take two 489 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,960 doses of the vaccine, let's say, let's be controversial, then then this 490 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:08,239 is going to happen. Then they go, well, it's not. You 491 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,800 know, it will stop your dying, but they won't really happen. And 492 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,320 see you say that, and so if you question that, then someone says 493 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,519 you can't question that. Or you know, if you bring up something about 494 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,559 Ukraine or whatever, and go, well, you know, we'll be in 495 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,239 there and you can't question anything. Can you question anything? Yes? So 496 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,519 when I questioned that you know that these guys are making these crops, they 497 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,119 go, well, look, you know when we see people making them, 498 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:31,440 let's had a lot longer. And when we go inside them, all the 499 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,800 crops smashed up and damage. But I've been in loads of others and there's 500 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,840 no damage. And and they go, you can't question that, you know, 501 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:44,679 if you say so, it's weird. I mean also, were sort 502 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,360 of about those two guys. I mean they got around the world quite often, 503 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,039 you know, because they're all over the world, not just in look 504 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,280 Whoopshire or whatever. Are they you know? Well they were, they were 505 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,039 enough I suppose to sort of. Yeah. I mean they were questioned and 506 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,000 when they were questioned by people, you know that people that have been around 507 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,800 for a few years when they questioned and quickly realized that these two old guys 508 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,519 didn't really know what they were talking about. I mean, there was a 509 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:14,760 there was a meeting once with Julian Richardson. I wasn't president, Michael and 510 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,920 several others were, and I know that he was questioned about you know, 511 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,119 pie are squared and things that you would need to know if you create to 512 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:28,079 ask me. Yeah, you know, it was the same for me when 513 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,519 I first got into this. You know, maths everyone, that's another reason 514 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:31,360 people run away from cross and it was like, oh, no, good 515 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,719 of maths. But luckily it's not that difficult. You know, as long 516 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,599 as you can count to about thirteen, you can really understand all the things 517 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,639 that going on with the Crossows. Is quite interesting that on that simplistic, 518 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,840 basic basis. But anyway, so yeah, some of these people, when 519 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,159 when held up to scrutiny, they really weren't able to describe or answer some 520 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,480 of the questions as to how they pulled it off. You know, yeah, 521 00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,360 you're very interesting. Their motives I just don't quite understand at all. 522 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,679 But there was a recent a podcast he was He's a YouTube show. I 523 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,320 posted it actually on my page. It's m CIA and crop circle cover Ups 524 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,679 or something it's called. It's got about about two and a half million views. 525 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,960 This guy pulled up ancient in old footage with Colin Andrews Days and all 526 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,280 the rest of it and went through this story and some of it's you know, 527 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,199 some of it's questionable for sure, but there's a lot of truth to 528 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,760 some of the stuff as well of of what he puts out. So it's 529 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,079 well worth people watching it and send you a link to it if you want 530 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:30,320 to put it, absolutely, because I'll put it on the on the page. 531 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,880 Yeah, definitely. That's something that I think has happening as well. 532 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,559 I think that there are powers above, you know, wherever you' all the 533 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,719 feet above is actually don't want the truth coming out, so they actually cover 534 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,639 it up. They cover up the real ones with fake buns. Yeah, 535 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,440 yeah, I mean this is this has been my view. I mean I 536 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,039 was lucky when I got into the crop circles. I was really there was 537 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,559 a bunch of things that were happening to me at the time in life changes 538 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,480 and stuff. And I met this guy who sort of brought me to the 539 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,639 concert, who was an American and and he was very controversial guy, you 540 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,519 know back in the back in America right through the Vietnam War and political and 541 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:14,519 stuff like this, and he knew a lot about how how you know, 542 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,840 the dark side of government work really with secret services and cover ups about various 543 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,559 things and false propaganda campaigns and psyops and various other things, things that really 544 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,280 weren't in my world at that time. And when he used to talk to 545 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,119 him and be about me in the early days, I was like, this 546 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,119 is all this is like a movie, you know. And then gradually as 547 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,280 you as you you know, spend the years and get to where we are 548 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,480 now, where a lot more people are realizing that the news that they watch 549 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:45,400 is really manufactured high no corporate interests, and the government really don't hold a 550 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,719 power anymore, and that corporate power and its agenda rules, and and and 551 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,039 then it makes a lot more sense then to keep things that would all distract 552 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,840 us away from, you know, the status quo that we're all in really, 553 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,840 which is on the rat race, and and not looking at bigger questions 554 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,519 as to you know, what is the what is the real purpose of human 555 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,199 life? And what are we supposed to be just making the stuff to sell 556 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,360 each other stuff so that we can borrow more money and buy more things. 557 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,239 You know. That's right. I think that's becoming more and more obvious as 558 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,760 well with the kids, with all the I mean, we used to hear 559 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,360 Donald Trump talking about fake news, but it's actually very right, isn't it. 560 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,239 Because a lot of his fake, A lot of the news I think 561 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,000 we get on the news is fake anyway. Well, yeah, I mean 562 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,760 there's so many examples. Also distract your way from something else. Yeah, 563 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,480 exactly. I mean, you know, I studied the news and have done 564 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:45,519 for a very long time, and watch trends and tune into people that are 565 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,960 leaving the mainstream now more and more because they just can't deal with being corporate 566 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:57,320 sort of script readers. Anyway. Yeah, basically pull you. So it's 567 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,800 in the line exactly. I mean Tucker Carlson's interview recently with Russell Brand, 568 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,079 and I find Russell Brand can be a bit testing, you know, with 569 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,000 with something you know, rather than rather than as I've always tried to do, 570 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:14,320 not talk about the person. It's about what they're saying. And listening 571 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,440 to what Tucker Carlson has said about how he was treated at Fox and how 572 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:23,159 Fox operates and how you know he was talking about January six, wasn't in 573 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,840 how and there were more agents in the crowd of the protesting people, and 574 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,400 that the shaman guy. You know, there's CCTV that the shaman guy was 575 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,440 being let in by the cops. They were trysolutely I mean, obviously plenty 576 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,599 of that for they would just be letting there. We've got they were being 577 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:43,800 guided. They're the corridors. So I'm working in I'm working in a news 578 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,480 studio in Mexico City, right for a famous journalist who used to be the 579 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:52,599 anchor man for sixty minutes in Mexico. Right for the biggest TV company in 580 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:54,800 Mexico, covers one hundred and thirty million people, TBS Techer. Right, 581 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,840 sorry, Televisa, we worked for them, but you know he was for 582 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,800 telling TBS Techer. So this was all going on when I lived in Mexico, 583 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,000 right, And as soon as that thing happened, I said to him, 584 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,400 there's something fish a year this is this is not right. There's no 585 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,880 police response, you know that. I said, this needs looking into, 586 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:21,559 and he immediately this season journalist jumped on me as this conspiracy theorist without a 587 00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:23,719 share of evidence, just you know, this knee jet reaction, which I 588 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,960 was so shocked by. And then not within forty eight hours, as things 589 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,440 started to underrave a little, he begrudgingly said, yeah, I think you 590 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,960 might be might be right there. It's strange, isn't it. Yeah, 591 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,639 I mean there was there was a lot of things that weren't right about all 592 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:45,079 that, and then they've tried to sort of basically I think that the criminals 593 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:50,639 are running the running the show. You know. Basically, No, we 594 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,159 can't really get its gains to too much politics on this show. That's not 595 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,519 what it's about. But but it is in terms of that, you see, 596 00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,679 my journey began with if it's see if if the crop circles are being 597 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,360 covered up, and that's the sort of subject that set us off here, 598 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,719 then that means there is there are agencies that that that through propaganda or are 599 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,480 useful used to running propaganda campaigns, which you know exist in you know the 600 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:21,639 psyops that was running Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland people were the most watched people 601 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,360 ever even if they brought an extra pint in milk, they was questioned, 602 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,719 right, you know, and that's that's the British Secret Service. So so 603 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,599 you know, we're not we're not unaccustomed to and nor the Americans going into 604 00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:37,480 other countries and running propaganda campaigns through NGOs and overthrowing leaders that aren't favorable to 605 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,320 them and these sorts of things. So running propaganda campaigns for their own agendas, 606 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,280 whether their corporate government or both is something that these people are experts set. 607 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,960 So when once you open that can of worms with the crop circles and 608 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,400 possibly UFOs, then it opens up with every everything else, doesn't it. 609 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,719 Yeah? Absolutely, Well have you have you seen any UFOs of your own? 610 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,639 Yeah? Once, me and my son. It was in the early 611 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,679 days. Actually there's world have been nineteen ninety eight or nine, nineteen ninety 612 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:12,320 nine. I think we were a very small festival, a rainbow festival in 613 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:19,440 a beltein in chapter Mellet and my son would have been Godly would have been 614 00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,920 ten then. And we walked across this field as in daylight, and both 615 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,440 of our both of us had our heads turned as if something made us look 616 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,239 up in the sky, and we saw this sort of orange light that beamed 617 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,079 out. I saw this black dot that's sort of against the blue sky that 618 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:42,880 projected out this orange light and then seemed to ride it away, and we 619 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,239 both me and my son looked at each other and went okay, walked on. 620 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,400 And then as it got dark that evening, we were standing at sort 621 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,679 of a tent there as a friend of mine, mark Beer as well, 622 00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,920 and three of us watched this huge light not very high above the trees that 623 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:07,400 were in front of us, pulsating bright light go past us slowly, and 624 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,679 we were just all transfixed on it, and we watched it go past us 625 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,719 from right to left, and as it started to go towards the left side 626 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,840 of us, we all three of us turned our heads over sort of almost 627 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,719 one hundred and eighty degrees in the other direction, and from the distance saw 628 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:35,239 this other white light shooting forward an incredible rate into and so it was off 629 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,679 to the left right, so it was coming from the left behind us, 630 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:44,840 and it was going off straight across off into the distance. So that as 631 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960 we turned our heads back towards the right and caught the other one that we've 632 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,239 just seen pulsating, that thing then took off and met the other one in 633 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,559 the sky and crossed at an enormous speed, like unbelievably. Yeah, and 634 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:05,800 so I'll never forget my friend Mark going I believe now, Well, don't 635 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,719 see it. You don't sort of just become actually, you don't just be 636 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,159 a believer. You become a knower, don't you. Yeah. We world 637 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,559 changes then, and it's and it's about them whether or not you can go, 638 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,440 you know, you go off and tell somebody, and then you know, 639 00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:21,760 you get that knee jet reaction of oh you're what drugs are you know? 640 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,559 Well we're all there. Yeah, yeah, you know. So that's 641 00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:28,400 that's that old chestnut. And then and if you can, if you can 642 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,840 go no, I don't care what you say, and I don't need to 643 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,360 prove it to you. I saw it, and I'm happy to accept that 644 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,400 there's something up there that I don't know what it was. It was a 645 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,320 bright light. It went so fast that it is no way it was one 646 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,719 of ours. Um. I don't know if there's an alien involved in it. 647 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,559 I don't know. If it was just a big bunch of light that 648 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,719 means something else. I don't know, but there Yeah, well I'm going 649 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,079 down to the interdimensional route as well with some of these things as well. 650 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,880 I think a little bit is interdimensional. Um. I mean, I can't 651 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,719 prove it any think it's just just a theory it so you know that's and 652 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,719 it's not just my theory. No. But that's one of the great things, 653 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719 isn't it. I Mean, when when you get to a point it's 654 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,760 like it's like this, right when when people say to me, you know, 655 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,199 talk about man made and and you say, yeah, yeah, they 656 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,599 know it's man made ones, of course, but there's also some ones that, 657 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,599 you know, we think that it would be very difficult, and there's 658 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,960 some real questions around to the quality of the lae and you know why, 659 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:27,719 witnesses at the time or whatever. And so let's lay out the seven thousand 660 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,880 plus photographs of crop circles on our hypothetical table in front of us, and 661 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,559 let's agree together which ones we think are clearly manmade and push those over to 662 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,719 the left, and let's look at the rest of them and say, Okay, 663 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239 what once are we not sure about? Could be this could be that 664 00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:44,239 you go right, let's put them in a minute. And these ones then 665 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,360 that we're left with, we're really sure that there's an absolute bloody mystery with 666 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,559 them. And it doesn't matter if that's ten percent or twenty percent or thirty 667 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:58,280 percent right, it doesn't matter if they exist. And we agree that they 668 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,039 exist, and we say, okay, we don't need to talk about the 669 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,480 man made ones anymore. We don't need to talk about the ones that we've 670 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:09,880 got sort of doubts about anymore. Let's talk about and speculate on what all 671 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,800 that's about and what could be making it. And once you do that, 672 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,719 and you say, you know, we can we can come up with into 673 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,719 ideas of interdimensionality, and we can come up with all these different things. 674 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,000 And it's there. Used to be a caffee. I don't know if you 675 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,000 know this right. There was a caffee that was opposite Oxford University in the 676 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480 early days, like sixteen hundreds, I can't in the name of it now's 677 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,599 famous. And all these people that are academics that were studying all these different 678 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,119 disciplines would go in this cafe and they all have all these crazy ideas. 679 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,639 And because there was this hotspots of all these ideas flying around and all these 680 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:47,599 theories, good ideas popped out, ones that change the world and so and 681 00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,880 so, you know, when we speculate about about the possibilities of life, 682 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,599 about the possibilities of the world we live in, about what could be there 683 00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:59,920 that someone else doesn't want us to believe might be there, we can come 684 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,880 up with things that we've never dreamed that we have come up with in collaboration 685 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,880 with other people who are also spitballing the ideas. Yeah, I mean, 686 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,639 actually that we're in my mind going to think that we're the other, we're 687 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,639 the only living human beings or whatever, or this planet, and there's nothing 688 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,760 else out there is to me, it's just ridiculous anyway. You know that 689 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,639 is ridiculous. But I tell you what else is ridiculous, right, it's 690 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:29,320 ridiculous. It's like when I first heard the example of the chances of us 691 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,360 here now, David having this conversation, right, of human life that could 692 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,639 that could be here, and it's got the intelligence and the ability to be 693 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,239 able to ask questions about life. That's the difference with human beings, isn't 694 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,639 it. We've got language and we can use these words to ask questions about 695 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:54,320 ourselves and reality and meaning of life. Right. When you go, right, 696 00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,360 what's the chances of that happening? And you hear examples like you need 697 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,039 a monkey to sit down at a typewriter and knock out the work for Shakespeare 698 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,880 by accident, or you need to put a bomb in a scrap metal yard 699 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,239 and blow it up, and when you clear away all the dust and the 700 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,079 rubble of bowing seven four seven, throwing itself together, and you're just getting 701 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,960 it pressed the button and fly off. When you look at the odds of 702 00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:24,280 that then that we're here having this conversation the biological life because like the Big 703 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,760 Bang, all the parameters for like the speed of light and the weak nuclear 704 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,239 force and a strong nuclear force, and all these things which which are constants 705 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,920 in the universe as far as we know them. It's like it's like having 706 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,880 an amplifier with thirty two dials on it. Right, They've got all these 707 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:51,159 little microadjustments, and all of those little dials were perfectly tuned at the point 708 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,480 of the Big Bang thirteen and a half billion years ago, so that biological 709 00:49:55,559 --> 00:50:00,920 life can exist here today. When you when physicists began to realize this back 710 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,400 in the nineteen seventies, that that that like that all the parameters for life 711 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,840 to exist are so finely tuned that it's that it's impossible as putting a bomb 712 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,239 in the scrap yard. Then you have to say, yeah, we're not 713 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:20,800 the only ones, but we are bloody special. Absolutely. Also, you 714 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,239 mentioned the Big Bang. There are arguments now that you know against the Big 715 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,519 Bang even, isn't there I mean when you think about the Big Bang, 716 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,679 I mean what was before the Big Bang? Yeah, I mean, you 717 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,360 know, it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't answer lots upon where do the energy 718 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,800 come from? How do you make something out of nothing? You know, 719 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:44,079 we've still got this huge paradox of a problem. But even though it's that, 720 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,440 it's it's a it's a properly flawed model when you actually look at you 721 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,079 know, the constants that we have got, for example, and the way 722 00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,760 that the planets are set up to you know, like we're the third rock 723 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,920 from the Sun and we're just just far enough away that you know, the 724 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:04,159 Moon just happens to be exactly the right size and exactly right distance to cover 725 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,840 up the Sun that's you know, so much further away in a perfect eclipse, 726 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,760 and all of the ratios and proportions of the planets and the way they 727 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,440 work around, and so that biological life can exist in the parameters for that, 728 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,960 that's incredible. That's that's miraculous in itself, and so you can you 729 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,880 can model that. Then back to this theoretical Big Bang, because we know 730 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,639 that the elements that exist of carbon and oxygen are actually how they formed in 731 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:35,119 clusters of stars as big explosions and suns go super and over, and we 732 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,239 know that's happening out there in space so you can model all that and say, 733 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,679 well, you know, the chances of life exist in then as best 734 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:49,159 as we know it in this flawed Big Bang theory are incredible. Yeah, 735 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,920 I mean, it's got to be civilizations that are probably a million years more 736 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,119 advanced than we are, you know, so there's no reason why they couldn't 737 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:00,079 be flying all around the universe and visiting us see things. I mean, 738 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,480 they used to say the problem is the Fermi paradox and that you know, 739 00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,679 if there are all these these propensities for life, then why aren't there UFOs 740 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,960 flying around everywhere? Well, recent news seems to be telling us that this. 741 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,599 Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of the evidence shows that 742 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:20,639 they've got some sort of cloakey mechanisms because from a lot of what I hear, 743 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,639 what I hear they're all all around the sort of time. You know, 744 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,400 whether that's true or because I haven't actually seen the physical disappeared and all 745 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,039 that myself, although I have seen UFOs years ago. Um, you know, 746 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:37,119 it seems that they can move so fast and they look like they disappear, 747 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,400 and some people do actually catch things, don't know, you look accidentally 748 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:45,039 sometimes And I think that's what happens, they get caught accidentally. But like 749 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,960 you say, like the the US, unless there's there's there's another piece of 750 00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,039 false information coming out. But the US government seems to think that there are 751 00:52:53,199 --> 00:53:00,159 UFOs that are now um being being admitted to basically, and but the media 752 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,440 still jokes about it, even though the governments are admitting to it. Yeah, 753 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,280 it's a funny. It's a funny. It's a funny whole world of 754 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,880 disclosure, isn't it. I mean, Nick Pope said years ago, I 755 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,599 was at a conference in Mexico City and two thousand and ten, it wasn't 756 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,239 like that. Nick Pope was one of the speakers, and we were chatting 757 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,159 in the bar afterwards, and and and I remember him saying, you know, 758 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,960 saying, like, you know, his disclosure coming, And he said 759 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:28,000 yeah, And he said this in TV interviews are he said, yeah, 760 00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,000 it's not the big disclosure with a capital D be with it, you know, 761 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:34,920 a low yeah, very slow, cruel cruel. Yeah. I've actually 762 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,599 settled a bowl with Nicko, had the same conversation. You know, he's 763 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:44,599 going to drinking chat. Yeah, that's it's funny. After a couple of 764 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,840 Yearsny, years and years, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. 765 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,639 It was funny because I was sitting outside. I basically spent the whole week 766 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,679 sitting outside very vun Danny and that's right, Eric and Nick Pope and myself 767 00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,519 and Mike Burrow. Well yeah, well that was the same company I was 768 00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:06,800 it, well, Mike Barrow, but Vandan and Nick Pope were at the 769 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,519 same conference. Yea and so and the and Eric Vandannic and hitting off. 770 00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:13,119 So I just sat outside of him and he was arguing with a couple of 771 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:17,199 mine archaeologists. It was very funny anyway, Yeah, so Nick Pope, 772 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,760 Nick Pope said that, and so you know, I watched, like, 773 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:27,599 do you know Chrissy Newton. She runs she runs a podcast on the debrief. 774 00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:31,760 She's she's um, she runs a PR agency in Toronto, and she's 775 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:37,360 been very active on sort of UFO stuff, no sales, familiar, well 776 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,880 don't actually know to what she So when this David Gross thing cain't got released, 777 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,000 didn't released, he disappeared in the Yeah, so this is where this 778 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,360 is where things are starting to get a bit weird in it because you've got 779 00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,079 you've got this all these counter narratives going on, You've got you've got Stephen 780 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,800 Greer who says, you know, the government are about to put a false 781 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,320 flag operation onto us and say that we're being invaded by alien, right, 782 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,880 but it's really their tech that they've back engineered from all these down craft. 783 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,599 And then you've got like Bobblazar that came out years before saying, you know, 784 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,440 I've worked in their fish one floats of people not believing him. He 785 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,599 passes a live detective test, nobody believes and nobody believes him, and then 786 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:16,599 all of a sudden, a lot of the things he said over the years 787 00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:22,000 a sort of starts coming out, like element one on five or um and 788 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,760 so and so. Now this David Gros comes forward and and it gets really 789 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,400 it's like, for example, right, they let me give you an example, 790 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,440 Right, I watched the podcast and it's announced, Right, why did 791 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,480 they Why did they release this well changing information through for for a podcast called 792 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,400 The Debrief that's got a couple of hundred thousand subscribers. Right, it's a 793 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,519 good podcast, but you know it's not these are Washington Post journalists. Yeah, 794 00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,559 it's not earth shattering sort of figure. I mean, if you've got 795 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:53,599 a guy who's coming out from the government and saying, look, I know, 796 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:58,000 we've got alien bodies, we've got down craft, we've got this at 797 00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,119 the other and he's Washington Post journalists who've worked on the release of the pens 798 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,280 Cone papers back in all of a sudden, Leslie King and that and say 799 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,760 what's it. Ralph Blumenthal will say, um, oh, you know, 800 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:14,360 we're going to release this massive piece of information through Chrissy Newton on the debrief. 801 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,400 Right, Okay, So I watch it and Chrissy announces it as this 802 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,840 highly classified information that this man's come forward with and he's going to testify to 803 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:30,239 Congress. Um. So then the interview proceeds and they say, you know, 804 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:36,519 she Chrissy asks why why they're releasing this information now, and they say, 805 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,039 well, they had to to protect him because since he filled out the 806 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:43,960 whistleblower forms, you know, he's he's been attacked and he's been threatened, 807 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,639 and you know he's in danger. And every good journalist knows that the best 808 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,599 way to protect the sources to get the information out there as quickly as possible. 809 00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:53,320 This is what both Leslie Keene and J. H. Blom was saying 810 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,000 an interview, right, So, okay, right, So so you had 811 00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:59,079 to get this info out, and now he's going to go to Congress and 812 00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,440 he's going to tell them star behind closed doors. But okay, it's told 813 00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:07,920 you know, Rosque Coulthard, all this information about what he's what he knows, 814 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,280 he's seen, and so of what you know, he knows people who've 815 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,360 seen it, and this on the other. So then so then the next 816 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,559 question is you know, so so well what about this information? Isn't he 817 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,239 going to get into trouble you know now because he's released this information and it's 818 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,840 highly classified. And Ralph bloom And said goes, well, no, no, 819 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,199 he's you know, everything he's released is unclassified. M m's classified. 820 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,039 Sego hanging a minute, I thought it was classified, and he's given us 821 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,400 this big revelation and he's going, no, no, no, he's classified. 822 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,239 So only well, why was he in danger? Then? Why was 823 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,800 he being threatened? Yeah? Yeah, Well it doesn't make sense, does 824 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,840 it? And it doesn't make sense to me, and and and my mind 825 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,960 works like that, I go, well, wait, how can you say 826 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:49,360 that? You know? Yeah? I mean also it makes you think, 827 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,480 I mean, we mentioned things about fake news a little while ago. Is 828 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:58,400 it trying to distract you away from something else, because we'll know that Biden 829 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,519 and he's um, yeah, presidency is in a lot of trouble with different 830 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:07,239 things, and you and certain things haven't come out on the mainstream media. 831 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,599 Well, so that you and I probably know about Well yeah, I think 832 00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:15,119 I think you know largely mainstream you know is calling it mainstream media is changing, 833 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:22,760 isn't it? I mean Tucker Carlson's viewing figures. Oh, have you 834 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,679 seen the data? I mean, like you know CNN. I mean, 835 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,519 I mean, just as an example, right, I watched I watched a 836 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,079 video clip yesterday. You know, this new film that that Mel Gibson's brought 837 00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:36,880 out, a Search for Freedom with Jim see that right, So so seeing 838 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:42,400 any attacking it right as woke and and and and Q and non conspiracy numbers 839 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,360 and all of this right people on qu and seeing and attacking it right, 840 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,440 And you go, right, what and so and so you look at their 841 00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:53,320 viewing figures and they've got like three hundred and seventy nine to five hundred thousand 842 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,039 people on a Friday night. M you look at Fox News one point four 843 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,960 is one point seven million they can best get on, you know. And 844 00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:06,440 then Tucker Carlson launches his show on Twitter and gets eighty two millions. Yeah, 845 00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,000 it tells you something, doesn't it. Well. Yeah, and so 846 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:14,599 Joe Rogan, you know, like CNN truck to attacking for taking horse medication. 847 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:19,679 I've met him, which is this Nobel Prize winning amazing drug that's helped 848 00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,800 so many people in Africa and stuff which they wouldn't let people have so they 849 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,320 didn't want people to cost pennies. And anybody said that, oh, you're 850 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,199 being a conspiracy fist, while they would quickly behind closed doors trying to create 851 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:32,639 another version of it with a dislightly different moleocle that they that's the same reason 852 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,519 they with true Hodge, the chloroquin should have been available for many yor for 853 00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:42,840 what twenty yards years to treat malaria. All of a sudden that they're with 854 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,199 trew it's saying how dangerous it was, and in actual facts it had been 855 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:49,679 proven to work. Yeah. And then you got the doctor that's this famous 856 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,920 guy, and the other guy that puts the white coat on with a bow 857 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,800 tie. What's his name, Hortez. Oh you've got Fouchi. Fouchi's the 858 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,960 band that so bouches. Yeah, well Fouchi was sort of like Hortez is 859 00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,239 guru, wouldn't he? Hortez would come on sitting in, you know, 860 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,079 and he was a tag. When Trump was in power, he was attacking 861 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,079 the vaccine, saying, oh no, there's no proven of being they're dangerous. 862 01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:09,639 I can't be having all that. And then as soon as Biden got 863 01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:12,000 in, he said, oh yeah, you've got you know, you've got 864 01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,559 to have the vaccine. It's um, it's going to be great. And 865 01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:17,960 there's this wonderful parody that someone's done on YouTube that shows him saying two vaccines 866 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,840 and you're clear, you're sorted. Then he goes three four five bilateral one 867 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,440 and you know, it's madness. And yeah, I mean, I've got 868 01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:29,639 to say, I'm sory's for anyone out there that sort of had the vaccines 869 01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:32,280 and things or you probably have been mentioned this before the show. Don't really 870 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,320 like to get too deeply into it, but I think you're probably all realizing 871 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480 now that you were probably lied to um, you know the fact that it 872 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,719 wasn't doing what it was supposed to be doing anyway, and apparently it's just 873 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:52,519 doing it's doing other things as well as some people GB News Neil Oliver on 874 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,239 gb News day before yesterday, they had a GP on there and they had 875 01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,239 Andrew Brigg and the MP that's you know been yeah, you know, yeah, 876 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:07,320 and and and they reported that it's now come out that the forty four 877 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,840 thousand people that they were supposed to attested the vaccine or and got a different 878 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:15,559 vaccine and the one that was actually rolled out so that it wasn't actually tested. 879 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,159 Yeah. Well that's important stuff, isn't it. That shouldn't be absolutely 880 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,280 yeah, I mean there's also I've heard that there were placebos which nobody were 881 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,480 told about either. Yeah. Really and when you when you think about it, 882 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,880 if there were placebos which nobody was talking was was told about, they're 883 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,599 supposed to be a deadly virus stone around. So if you were told you 884 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,320 we're going to get a vaccine that was going to help you or save your 885 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,239 life and give it a placebo, that's full, isn't it is? Of 886 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,880 course it is the whole things for it. And it seems to me that 887 01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:50,000 you know, with the with the party gate revelations, that these people knew 888 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,159 something we didn't. Of course, if you they knew, it wasn't dangerous, 889 01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:55,000 Yeah, exactly, it was. I mean i think you and I 890 01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,920 know it was just another It was a it was a bad flu, but 891 01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:01,639 the same as the same as we've always said. Different. I think. 892 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,800 No, I do think that there was a virus. I'm not saying it 893 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,000 wasn't. It did obviously did take out vulnerable people. You should have been 894 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:15,039 protected. Um, yeah, it's it's the whole thing. Really. I 895 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,679 think I think the only good thing that's come out of it, which is 896 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,320 you know, even really difficult to say, is that I think it's woke 897 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,760 people up. Yeah. I don't like to use that phrase because you know, 898 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,239 I think I think it's deeper than that. But it had to make 899 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,639 people are war aware that the people that are putting themselves forward as people that 900 01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:35,719 are there to help us aren't actually there to do that much. Yeah. 901 01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:37,760 Well, as far as oh no, never, I mean, I know, 902 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,360 we say there was one, but it would never have been proven to 903 01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:46,519 being isolated. Well, I'm not sure about that. I know that they're 904 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:51,519 you know, they've found they found different strains of it, and it seemed 905 01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:54,760 from day one it seemed crazy to me to be blaming a fish market when 906 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,239 there happened to be laboratory hundred meters down the road that happened to be testing 907 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,800 this virus exactly. Yeah, I'd like you say, I do know that 908 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,159 they were playing around with viruses and stuff. Yeah, and I think the 909 01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:07,840 CIA, we're involved in it, and fair to you, of course, 910 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:14,000 and I think Obama was involved as well. It seems to me that there 911 01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,360 were some very definitely some nefarious people. I mean, this is this is 912 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,199 the sort of stuff that you know governments do in secret, isn't it. 913 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,760 I Mean I've often said, you know, all right, we can we 914 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,400 can say we live in a democracy and there's certain things that need to be 915 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:30,599 kept secret from us. But as soon as practicable, those those secrets, 916 01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,280 because these people work for us in government allegedly, they should be telling what 917 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,000 they are. And when they don't, when you get like Biden sealing the 918 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,960 JFKA papers for another sixty five years, what could possibly all the people involved 919 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,760 are dead? What could possibly be in those papers now ye're using invisible ink 920 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,360 in those days, that sort of technology. What could possibly be that we 921 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,280 can't know but you sealed it. So it's not a democracy if you've got 922 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,960 thousands and thousands of secrets now and they're supposed to work for us all they 923 01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,840 I think they prove they don't. Actually they would. They work for themselves. 924 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,400 They've been worked for the corporations for a long time. Yeah, I've 925 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,800 got I've gotta put something. Oh, I don't be a big going off 926 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,960 the off the trailer a little bit here, but I've got did you ever 927 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:15,800 come across any flat earth us in your line up business? Well? I 928 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,599 had a friend who was trying to you know, he was he was shocked 929 01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:24,559 by the you know, the whole thesis of it, and he used to 930 01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:29,360 keep trying to engage me in what these people were saying, right, um, 931 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,800 and you know you get sucked in, don't you. So I got 932 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,719 sucked in slightly in thinking like, well, you know, how cannot be 933 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,079 possible for these reasons and those reasons. And I know that pilots, the 934 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,239 way they fly, and the you know, snipers have to they have to 935 01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,639 you know, adjust their sights if they're shooting over fifteen hundred meters for the 936 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,519 curvature of the earth and and so so you know, I just refused to 937 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,679 engage because I thought this is going to take my mental energy in a direction 938 01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,280 I don't really want to send it. I don't really so so I used 939 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,519 to try and resist it and have done as much as possible because there's so 940 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:06,400 many other things I could be thinking about really rather than that. No, 941 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,159 it's just because I think, well, the crop circles and you were talking 942 01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,639 about the layer of the landlord. I'll just bunder if you ever do come 943 01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:19,400 across people that's might you know one of these things. The other thing that's 944 01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:24,760 interesting about being a researcher in sort of paranormal let's say field for years is 945 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,719 that, you know, you you get exposed to all kinds of different theories 946 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,440 about all these sorts of things, don't you, And you've got to try 947 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:39,039 and um, keep your feet on the ground. Yeah. Well, the 948 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:44,400 funny thing is sort of again they are so convinced by it as well, 949 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,239 there is there is convinced by as much as we're convinced that the world is 950 01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:56,280 globular, you know, I know. Yeah, it's um, it just 951 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,880 goes to show you, doesn't it. That that that but you know, 952 01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:05,400 it's very difficult to be certain about anything. One thing that Michael, one 953 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,800 thing that Michael used to say was that the only reason people go to war 954 01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:15,239 with each other is because they're certain about something, and if and if you 955 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,480 suspend certainty and say, well, I think it's probably likely that that might 956 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:24,199 be like that, but I'm not one hundred people say that, then then 957 01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:26,280 you've got somewhere to have a chatter, a cup of tea in a cheese 958 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,719 roll. But if you have sense certain the knives come out. Yeah, 959 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,119 yeah, because I mean they say things like we can't prove that the wolves 960 01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:40,159 round, because I mean, obviously we can't. I can't actually sit there 961 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,639 and say to you that I can prove that the europe is an I know, 962 01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,320 I know, I know. I mean, you know, it's like 963 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,880 the moon landing, isn't it. And I know Mary Bennett and and and 964 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,840 Percy really well, and well you know, I've met them several times, 965 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,840 and I've read the book and I've looked at and you go like this is 966 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,360 nuts and happened. And then the more you read it and the more you 967 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,480 go, actually, you know this is there's something in this and it's I 968 01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:09,440 don't know, it's we have a propensity, don't we as human beings? 969 01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,760 But there is a there is a flaw I think in you know, you 970 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:20,079 know Uval Noah Hararian that sapiens. He says that our greatest strength is our 971 01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:27,719 ability to tell stories. Yeah, this is what brought us an advantage over 972 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,239 Neanderthal and all the other sort of species of hominids that were around, in 973 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,480 that we communicated through language and could tell stories to the other person and bring 974 01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:41,400 them into a collective where we all work together because we have a shared story 975 01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,320 like religion. Um. And then in the power of working together, we 976 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,000 became really strong. And so cooperatives seem to have been the way that we 977 01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,559 sort of advanced as early human beings. And I think a lot of the 978 01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:58,559 monuments that we see going back to the Wiltshire and Stone Hinge and Avebury and 979 01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:02,840 Silbury Hill and west End brown stuff bringing stones to the Purselles, and a 980 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,639 cooperation that seems to have gone on between people along the British Isles and other 981 01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:12,519 countries, other countries around the world. It seems to show that that that 982 01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:15,159 that's a really big thing that gave us a strength. But it's also our 983 01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:21,199 achilles heel because because we can deceive each other with stories, believe them, 984 01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:26,720 and when we really believe them, they become just as powerful like a placebo 985 01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:31,159 as the truth. Yeah. Absolutely, And also you mentioned about the model. 986 01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,039 If there's a lot of connections all over the world for that as well, 987 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,720 a lot of very similar ones, which is a that's a sort of 988 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,760 a conundrum in itself. It really is, isn't it. I mean, 989 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,479 I mean, there's some great films out there now. But the builders that 990 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,640 there were some French French researchers, engineers and archaeologists who've done a bit. 991 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,560 It's called the builders of ancient Monuments. They've they've done some excellent, excellent 992 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,600 work when going around the world and and and and looking at all these monuments 993 01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,600 and showing God how they're how they're related to each other with proportions and ratios 994 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:06,359 like the Golden Section and the Fibonaci sequence and pie around the world, and 995 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,479 they're connected to each other over vast distances. You know, it gets it 996 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,399 gets more and more mind boggling, really when you look into these ancient civilizations 997 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,439 and I think going back to the cropsher who was the reasons that you know, 998 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:29,199 Wiltshire is the hub as you said earlier, they are they are our 999 01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:34,520 worldwide phenomenon. But the County of Wiltshire, the Veil of Pewsy, this 1000 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:42,680 this area, the souls be playing is the most prominent hub for the crop 1001 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,039 circle phenomenon. And and then when you look into the context, and that's 1002 01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:50,399 where farming first began, you know, it's where the magna carta was drawn 1003 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:56,239 up on a sort of a plane. There's so much of our history as 1004 01:09:56,399 --> 01:10:00,319 human being is changing from hunter gatherers to farmers to husbandry and animal husbandry in 1005 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:05,840 that area and building from there. And you know, the ancient monuments that 1006 01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:14,760 existed prior to that, and that and that seemed to have involved this cooperation 1007 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,119 that all incorporate this same geometry that we've found in crop circles. For example, 1008 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:25,279 Stone Hinge contains hidden squaring squared circle, just like we've found in lots 1009 01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:29,760 of other crop circles. That seems windedness of certain things that these ancient people 1010 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,039 really took seriously in some kind of belief system or philosophy. That because the 1011 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:40,600 one thing about I want to bring this up right. One thing about geometry, 1012 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,159 and that Plato said was that geometry is number made visible. It's number 1013 01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:49,760 in space. When you see a triangle, you're really seeing them, that 1014 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:57,720 the number three, you're seeing it visually rather than just a symbol that represents 1015 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,439 it. You actually see what threeness is about. It encloses a space with 1016 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,520 three lines like squares four and so on. So you're looking at number in 1017 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:15,680 space like music is number in time, number in space. And and if 1018 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,520 you, for example, if you draw a triangle and then it doesn't matter 1019 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,279 what size, and you draw a circle inside that triangle that touches all three 1020 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,720 the three lines, and it's perfectly inscribed in the center. And then you 1021 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,640 draw a circle on the outside of that triangle that touches all the three points. 1022 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,239 Then that circle on the inside will be exactly half the size of the 1023 01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:43,079 circle on the outside two to one ratio, okay. And Plato called that 1024 01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:48,000 an ever truth. He said that we can anchor the pursuit of truth in 1025 01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:53,800 our philosophy and our philosophical musings. Here. We can anchor ourselves in truth 1026 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:59,520 in reality here, because that circle that's two to one ratio with another circle 1027 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:03,239 will always be true. It's always been true, and it's true now. 1028 01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:11,479 And so they use geometry as a part of their philosophical attempts to understand human 1029 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,560 nature and reality as an anchor for what we find in material reality, like 1030 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,840 the geometry of nature, like Fibonaci curves and ramswans and so on and so 1031 01:12:23,279 --> 01:12:27,079 so when I when I first discovered that, I realized that, you know, 1032 01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:30,359 it's not just geometry, it's not just mathematics. There's there's a lot 1033 01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:34,880 more to this geometry stuff that goes into philosophy and cosmology. And it seems 1034 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,920 that the people that built Stonehenge and av Brey and all these things in our 1035 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,720 ancestors knew that. And we're being reminded of it right next to them with 1036 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,079 these crop circles. This this mystery of the modern times is mixing and reminding 1037 01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:54,079 us with the mystery of our ancestors. And there they're what they worked to 1038 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:58,159 do in the old times. Sure. Yeah, And when you start looking 1039 01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:00,119 at lay lines and things that's lying up all over the world, it's so 1040 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,680 crazy. It's like it's like the cham Chinese acupuntry system, isn't it you 1041 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,800 know, tell us it doesn't exist, but it's been around for eight thousand 1042 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,119 years. Yeah, yeah, it's mad. Well, it's not mad. 1043 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:15,520 This is just I think it's a parcel we're never going to work out. 1044 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,920 Just you know, I know a lot of people are working on these things, 1045 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,439 but they don't really come up with any answers, do they It's true, 1046 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,840 It's true. I mean there's there's lots of there's. What the crop 1047 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,760 circles seem to do is I mean they raise topics that then once you start 1048 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,600 investigating those topics, you find yourself going down a rabbit hole. Yeah. 1049 01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:42,199 That then leads you back to this central topic, which is, um, 1050 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,159 what is the role of humanity? Yeah? What is it all about? 1051 01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:53,000 Yeah? Where all we? Who are we? Yeah? Yeah, I 1052 01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:55,479 mean I mean when? And the square, the symbol of the squared circle 1053 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,760 you see, is the symbol like the Vitruvian man that da Vinci did. 1054 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,920 It's it's the symbol of heaven and Earth. A square is the rational thing 1055 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,079 that represents Earth for his fourness, like the four directions card on points and 1056 01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,880 so one's fourness is. There's lots of reasons why four is the symbol for 1057 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,239 Earth. And the circle like the circle of the heavens, watching the planets 1058 01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,319 go around as in a circle in the sky. Circle was always the symbol 1059 01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:20,000 for heaven and so unite in a square and circle, making them the same 1060 01:14:20,279 --> 01:14:27,239 size. I was saying, the same had the same area was always a 1061 01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:30,920 symbol. Going back into antiquity of uniting heaven and Earth, and this theme 1062 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:38,399 has run through the crop circles for forty years, this notion of hiding these 1063 01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,159 solutions to square in a circle and the concept of heaven and Earth. I 1064 01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:45,840 watched Joe Rogan talking to that sad guru bloke I'm not sure about, but 1065 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,399 I watched him talking to him about heaven and Earth the other day, and 1066 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:53,159 this sadgu said, one of the problems with the modern society is that is 1067 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:58,199 that the notion of heaven, that if it is possible, has just gone 1068 01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:01,720 from people's minds. It's like this fantasy place like Father Christmas at once we 1069 01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,439 were told, you know, you'll go if you're a good boy. But 1070 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,600 he says, what if this is heaven? And we're just making a mess 1071 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:14,119 out of him. I think it's I think it's the other place yourself. 1072 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:15,960 Yeah, well that's what Joe Rogan said back to him. He said, 1073 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,239 what if it's hell? And and you know, we can see that it 1074 01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:23,720 could be heaven, but we're in hell really because it's always like like a 1075 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,720 carrot dangling in front of us that we can never get to because someone comes 1076 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,960 up and bugs it up. Yeah. So I can be true, can't 1077 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,720 they? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean we could actually go to a lot 1078 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,239 of the holographic universe. But I does think we've got time for all that 1079 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,479 that's got married as well, isn't it. Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, 1080 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,960 when when you start, I mean, there was something I couldn't get my 1081 01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:46,880 head around a little while a little while back. But I read David nix 1082 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,039 late this book and it's it's absolutely brilliant. It lays it all out for 1083 01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:56,079 you. It may actually it makes sense, you know, it's um, 1084 01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,079 I'll really recommend it. So you want that doesn't sort of understand anything about 1085 01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:02,960 the holographic universe, because it does actually makes a lot of sense. And 1086 01:16:03,039 --> 01:16:04,920 then it does make lots of sense. I mean, you know, when 1087 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,960 you look at a part, you're looking at the whole. And that's a 1088 01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:12,079 game in crop circles because when you look at fract tools, that's exactly what 1089 01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:15,439 a fractor is. Yes, exactly, it's a part that is actually the 1090 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,680 whole. And when you get when you get your head around that, there's 1091 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:25,520 nothing solid yea, And yeah, it takes you. It's all sorts of 1092 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:31,079 areas where UFOs and other sorts of paranormal all sort of blend together. It 1093 01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:36,720 does. But then you come back to, for example, the let's say, 1094 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,720 the preachings of Daoism, the philosophy of Taoism, and what they will 1095 01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:46,640 tell you is that is that is the enlightenment comes from constantly refocusing on the 1096 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,039 body. So we've got this meat, you know, pile of meat that 1097 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:54,760 we that we occupy, our consciousness occupies that we that we walk around in. 1098 01:16:56,119 --> 01:17:00,119 But but by bringing our awareness back inside the body and not off in 1099 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:04,239 the imaginary realms, they say that we we you know, we then get 1100 01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:08,800 into contact with the whole because we are part of it, right, And 1101 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,199 that makes some sense. And then you see they say, like, oh, 1102 01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:15,159 the reason that people you know take a chemical for this or want to 1103 01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:18,239 get out of their heads is because coming back in the body is a painful 1104 01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:25,039 place. There's too much pain inside with memories or regrets or guilt or so 1105 01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:26,920 we want to get out of our body. We want to get out of 1106 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,520 our minds. We want and so that's why bad food and bad health and 1107 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,039 addictions and all these other things are in the modern society because we can't we 1108 01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:38,119 can't get back in eybody. So we've got this kind of duality of it. 1109 01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:43,119 That's the point. Is this outside reality that could be this massive thing 1110 01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:47,039 of interdimensionality, but all of that could exist inside our body as well, 1111 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:53,039 and probably does if these microcosomat cousin holographic theories are right. Yeah, Therefore, 1112 01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:55,319 to get in touch with all of that which is out there, which 1113 01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,439 is so big we can't even fathom it, you just have to get in 1114 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,159 touch with ourselves and so make gazing and getting back to that when they said 1115 01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:05,159 back in the sixties has got some merrit And also it's not just mean I 1116 01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:08,880 must say, it's not just David like with these series now. It's been 1117 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,880 the theory that's been around other scientists for quite a while, and I think 1118 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,680 David like sort of has gone on on with you know, that research and 1119 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,199 sort of agrees with it. Basically, that's where it comes down. I 1120 01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:21,880 remember reading it back in that I can't remember who it was, but when 1121 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,319 when I first read it, I think it might have been like Watson's SuperNature 1122 01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:28,840 or something like that, one of those books that said it, and I 1123 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,039 was like, oh, wow, that makes sense. Yeah. There's a 1124 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:38,840 book, The Holographic Universe by Michael Michael Talbot is one of the I think 1125 01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:46,800 is the the pioneer book in that area. Yeah, I say things get 1126 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,720 look like you say, down the rabbit hole, down a rabbit hole exactly. 1127 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:55,119 That's it. That's it. It's been fantastic every on the show. 1128 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:59,159 Gary. Do you do you actually go to any conferences and things or yeah, 1129 01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:04,680 I'm speaking at Glastonby Symposium on the twenty Oh, yes I know you 1130 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,079 are. Yeah, I'll Unfortunately I don't think I can get to that. 1131 01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:14,159 Unfortunate because Marie Maria Weekly's theories well doesn't. I'm not sure she's there this 1132 01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:16,600 year. She I know, she speaks at megalith She spoke at megalithan Mania. 1133 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,079 You know, Hugh, I'm going to that in November. She'll be 1134 01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:23,840 there. Oh that one in PUSI yeah, oh yeah, that's what he's 1135 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,840 doing, because he used to do that one in November in London. But 1136 01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:29,359 I was around Hugh's. Hugh's just done a voice over from me for a 1137 01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:32,319 documentary. She really all right, very very interesting to be the voice. 1138 01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:38,920 So so yeah, i'll tell you what your pressure could actually might one enough 1139 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,880 to get him on the show. I don't know if he have told him 1140 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,560 when he was a very busy man. But he's actually difficult to tie down. 1141 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,399 And I know there's there's quite a few people though that he's Yeah, 1142 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,239 he's all over the place. Fair play to him, he is, you 1143 01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:53,079 know what he's built over there. I've known you quite a long time over 1144 01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:57,000 twenty years, liken't you know. We're good friends and fair places with him. 1145 01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:00,279 What he's built with megalith and mania and taking people to Yes, it's 1146 01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,720 incredible, you know, and he's done a really good job. Yeah. 1147 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:08,279 JJ's probably nice as well. She's very Yeah, they actually went when they 1148 01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,960 actually came to visit me. When when during the pandemic they came to visit 1149 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,399 me in Mexico City. Oh yeah, because they wanted to get away from 1150 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,000 the UK. Yeah, so I know Hugh came and stayed in Mexico for 1151 01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:20,640 about six months, and he came to Mexico City and hung out with me 1152 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,279 for a while, and then he went down south to Merida somewhere and stayed 1153 01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:28,880 down there. Oh, noice anyway, Oh ess put anyway, will be 1154 01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:32,079 we'll be there in November. But so you'll be at that conference there. 1155 01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,399 Have you got a website or do you think that people know? I just 1156 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:41,640 all I do is run the Facebook page for anybody's it's a group called against 1157 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,640 the Grain. It's the Grain. Yeah, and I got a YouTube channel 1158 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,479 called against the Grain as well. I published sort of light little things I 1159 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,520 made over the years. There's stuff on there of drowning footage of crop circles, 1160 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:58,800 there's interviews, there's excerpts from documentaries I've done. I've done a load 1161 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,600 of stuff over the years. I've done you'll know you. So that's all 1162 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,359 out there history channel, with various other bits and pieces. Well will I 1163 01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:09,119 mean, I will put so, I'll find some links and things to put 1164 01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:13,720 on the parallel that mensions page and hopefully you'll get a few real visisters coming 1165 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,840 your way. Brilliant, all right, lovely, I'll send you those. 1166 01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:21,039 Yeah, the photograph of the crop circle, the eight crop circle, wasn't 1167 01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:25,520 it? And yeah, yeah, anything anything you think might be interesting, 1168 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,000 I'll put it all on the page. You know. As I say, 1169 01:21:29,079 --> 01:21:32,399 Gary's been great talking to you at last. I've all this time too. 1170 01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:35,760 You can do it again, and hopefully i'll bump into you at some point 1171 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,319 somehow. We lovely, I'll be lovely, yeah, all right, really 1172 01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,880 great to speak to you. David, thank you all right, Gary, 1173 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,119 thank you very much and farewell to you. Good night, all right, 1174 01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:50,479 take care of yourself. Tears Barry, bye bye we are That was Gary 1175 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,319 King. Thank you, Gary, excellent, really enjoyed that I came. 1176 01:21:55,399 --> 01:21:58,159 My next guest. There's somebody else who's coming back to the show. He 1177 01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:01,399 was on the show not too long ago talking about King, Arthur and Merlin. 1178 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,159 And his name's Mark Oi. As I said, he was on the 1179 01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:09,000 show a little while ago, but he's back now on the seventh of August, 1180 01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:12,359 Monday, the seventh of August, and we're going to be talking about 1181 01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,640 everything alien. That's one to look forward to. That's Mark Oli. That's 1182 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:20,319 Monday, seventh of August. Now on the theme of aliens. If you 1183 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:25,920 remember the alien Autopsy from many years ago, and the man who produced it 1184 01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:29,199 was a good friend of mine named Spirius Malaris, who's been on a show 1185 01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:31,920 several times before. But he's having back again on the fourth of September. 1186 01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:38,359 But before that visit, you might like to visit Spirosy's website, which is 1187 01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:45,920 www dot alien dot gifts, and he's got all sorts of things alien related 1188 01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:50,760 and particularly alien autopsy related. I've just ordered a T shirt which some looking 1189 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:56,199 forward to getting. So you can look forward to also having Spiros back on 1190 01:22:56,279 --> 01:23:00,039 the show on Monday, the fourth of September, unless things change, of 1191 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,119 course, but that's the plan. So until the next time obviously, as 1192 01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,680 always, if you'd like to get in touch with me at any time, 1193 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,640 maybe you've got some questions for Spirous, but he's get in touch. My 1194 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,279 email address is David Young two q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. 1195 01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:20,800 That's David Young two q N at Yahoo dot co dot uk. So until 1196 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,479 the next show, seventh of August with Mark Ali. I shall leave you 1197 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,840 now and we'll look forward to speaking to you next time. Take care of 1198 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:39,680 yourselves, bye bye this time. Paranormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as 1199 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:45,199 our celestial star us up and although it's expending thousands of pounds of energy every 1200 01:23:45,279 --> 01:24:48,279 minute of the day, have no here, There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions 1201 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,560 is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.