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And it hits me, Oh my
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know, there's explanation for everything that
occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It

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doesn't involve aliens at all. It
was completely silent. It comes right over

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our heads. Classic vice also really
standing into clearing. He turned over to

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my father, held his hand,
and he looked in his eyes and said,

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your host, and we have Ray
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Alejandro is waiting in the wings for
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on with Alajandro. How are you. I'm doing well, my friend.

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Good good. So you're gonna be
on the beach coming up here again?

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Yeah, of the beach. I'm
addicted to the beach. Can you live

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in the dos of it? Yeah? And I'm in the desert, but

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luckily I'm not far from the beach. So San Diego is a short ride

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from Phoenix, about four or so
hours. So I love to ski daddle

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it on out to the beach as
much as possible. So we're actually going

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to Del Mar. Got a condo
out there for a few days, and

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it's just delightful. Now, isn't
there some type of road issue? Didn't

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I hear something about there's some type
of road closure in between? Am?

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I think in Las Vegas? That's
what I'm thinking of. I guess,

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well, there was a road closure
not too long ago. I forgot what

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happened. I think part of the
road washed out, or giant giant scorpion

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ate it or something like that.
I can't remember. But the path that

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I'm taking skirts along the border with
Mexico, and it is all free and

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clear. It's kind of funny.
Actually. A few years ago, the

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sheriff out in Panell County and everybody
knows Joe R. Pio, the sheriff

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out here. They were saying that
it was this area was overran by Mexican

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cartels and stuff, and it completely
untrue. They were totally lying for a

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political and so it's actually a very
safe and clear and quick route. Wow,

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worries look for Donald Trump while you're
driving through there. You never know,

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never seen a giant scorpion. If
I see Trump, that would be

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horrifying. All right, So what's
going on from the news this week?

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The news? So, I want
to talk UFO triangles, so triangular UFOs,

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because we've got a lot of stories
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our UFO report that's going to be
coming out on our YouTube page on Friday.

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We're gonna show you some of these
pictures and videos because I think they're

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pretty cool. But yeah, I'm
gonna go over some of the stories that

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we've had. I think we covered
one of those last week, but we've

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gotten some more since so, and
there's a progression to these stories. So

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the first story is kind of an
the second story is like a m The

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third story, though, it's more
of a whoam okay? Exciting? Huh?

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You're ready for it. Yeah,
so let's do the So okay.

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This took place on August twenty second. It was about nine to fifty pm,

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and there's this family that had some
friends over in Pennsylvania and they were

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having dinner. After they finished dinner, they went and hugged their friends goodbye.

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But as they went outside they were
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them said, hey, what's that. So they looked over and they saw

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these three lights in a triangular formation
over the trees. They kept staring at

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it, and they felt like it
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They said that the triangular lights were
orange reddish, and they kept getting appeared

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to get closer and closer, so
they were getting real excited. They were

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scrambling to try to take a video
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we've talked about before, it's difficult
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and their phones weren't really picked it
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Then one of the lights on the
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later, another one faded out,
and then a few seconds later the third

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one faded out, and they said
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of staring at each other. Then
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merry ways. Why has it that, eh, well, first being reddish

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or orangish red flag there, that's
what Chinese lanterns are like. And then

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the fading out, because that's exactly
what happens is you know, they all

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fade out in the order that they
were floated in the air. They just

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kind of fade out one at a
time. So it's a perfect description of

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what Chinese lanterns would do. So
that's why I'm a little bit skeptical of

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this one. And you know,
it's it's hard because lights at night,

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you know, I've seen these things, maybe some of the listeners have as

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well. I've got video. They
look really weird, you know, they

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look strange when you have these points
of lights in the sky that aren't too

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far and they can look like part
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But I think this is a case
of Chinese lanterns could be but sort

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of triangular. But just also keep
in mind that that's what the Phoenix lights

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did. They flickered out and back
on again. But these didn't flicker back

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on obviously. Well, and I'm
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at least the later lights, not
all of them, but the later lights

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of the Phoenix Lights were not lanterns
but flares. Yeah, I've got videos

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of those from the same place.
I think they were at Goldwater from my

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house here in Phoenix. Over the
air you see them often. But anyway,

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here's the one that's a little more
interesting. Are you ready for this

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one? Yeah, So this is
January seventh, twenty fifteenth, but it

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was just submitted recently. This was
a guy driving home towards Phoenixville in Pennsylvania

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and he saw a strange light.
She saw, actually a strange light.

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She thought maybe it was plane.
She saw three of them. It looked

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like a triangular well, she couldn't
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it they were just really bright.
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she decided, Wow, those are
way too bright to be a helicopter or

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a plane. And she says that
there was no noise. She wanted to

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pull over, but she was on
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she didn't think it would be safe
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But during this time she's taking pictures
with her phone. She took a bunch

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of them, and you do see
these triangular, you know, three or

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four lights together in a pattern.
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she said, she was able to
look back and see that it was a

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triangular shaped craft with these bright lights
on each corner. So and she took

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up a chip pictures. This one's
kind of m because it could be an

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aircraft, I think in one of
the pictures, though, it looks like

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four lights, so it could be
two headlights, two lights on each side

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of the wings. But all of
the lights are white, and they are

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kind of interesting pictures. So I
look for people to kind of take a

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look at that and let us know
what you think. So that one's a

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little more interesting, not so easy
to figure out what the heck that was.

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Yeah, So all these stories will
be in our show notes links to

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them that will bounce over to open
mind stock TV directly to the stories.

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They better, they better they will
that is, if you send me the

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links and we'll do all right.
So what's the fantastical these? Yeah,

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this is the cool one because you
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show so often, you know,
like that last one, it could be

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something, but it's probably this kind
of things. This is one where I

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don't know what the heck this is, you know, this one's This was

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another one that was videotaped. This
is in Mississippi. This one took place

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in February of twenty fifteen. This
was a lady who says she's a fifteen

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year uphologist in Memphis, in the
Memphis area. So she said that she

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had been seeing for like a week
these bright lights in this one area.

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So finally one day, at it
was nearly one am, she was able

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to see them. So she runs
outside to go videotape them, and she

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did videotape them, and it's a
very interesting video of this cluster of lights.

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It's really weird. She only got
twenty seconds because it had just snowed,

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and she didn't even put on her
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So she was walking in the snow
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She had to run back inside.
But she watched these bright lights.

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She says, we're in a triangular
formation over the corn fields for about twenty

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minutes before they just vanished. She
said that it appeared that there were smaller

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orbs being ejected from this larger object
and that it was maybe only one hundred

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feet off the ground. So this
is a really weird one. It was

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investigated by Mark Bort, a move
On field investigator, and he closed it

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as an unknown just saying that he
couldn't figure out what it was either.

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It's interesting that she claims that the
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don't look like that at all in
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you have a cluster of lights,
is what you see, and they're

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all different shape. They seem to
almost be in different directions. It's just

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very strange these lights. I can't
figure out what this might be. I'd

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love for people to go take a
look and maybe make some comments if they

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can figure out what this is.
But yeah, this is the story Hovering

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Triangle UFO video taped by Mississippi witness. All of these, by the way,

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we're contributed. These are articles written
by Roger Mars who's a moof ON

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director of Communications and he keeps an
eye on this and what he's been doing

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is going and look atting a picture
and video cases that have been investigated and

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determined to be unknown by the investigator
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So this is a Trevor treasure trove. I think of some of the best

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UFO stuff and this is one of
This is a really good video. This

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one's got me scratching my head,
it is, and we talked about it

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a little bit on your show,
and yeah, check out that video.

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It is really strange the way I
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In other words, they're the clusters
of lights seemed to be facing out,

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pointing out in different directions. And
it's really bizarre footage. So check that

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out again. You can go through
the show notes and it's right on Open

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Minds dot TV. Alejandro, will
you have yourself a great time at the

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beach? Yeah? What are you
going to do anything special? No?

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You know, I'm in what they
call vacation land. It's right on our

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license plate in Maine, and people
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So I am not going anywhere.
I don't think. I live right

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by a lake. I live where
everybody wants to go, so I might

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as well stay. Yeah, yeah, might as well. That's great.

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I want to move by the beach
one day. Yeah, I can tell.

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I can tell all right, Well, we'll be talking to you next

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week. Aleandre, have a good
one, all right, you two Talcu

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Lator Betty, talk to you later. So hang in there everyone for the

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quick little music break, and we'll
be right back with Ray Hernandez. That

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clip was provided by one of the
fans of the show, Bruce Renier.

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I believe he's up in Canada.
Thank you, Bruce. And on the

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line we have Ray Hernerandez. How
are you, Ray, How are you,

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Sartain. I'm doing it great,
doing well, and we're going to

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talk about all different types of things. We get you an hour and forty

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five minutes or so. We're going
to take a break at the top of

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the hour. But before we get
into the nuts in the bolts of what

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Free is doing and all that,
I wanted to find out who is Ray

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Hernandez. And I understand you're an
IRS tax attorney or you currently are you

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were correct a state tax A state
tax. I've been an IRS A state

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tax attorney, which is an inheritance
tax for the multimillionaires. And we won't

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go after you want unless you die
with more than five million dollars of net

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assets. Well, you know,
I wonder if our paths across. I

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praised to MERV. Griffin's entire estate, all his properties and after he passed

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away, and certainly was you know, well above that. But it's kind

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of funny. I'm an a state
appraiser, That's what I do, so

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it's kind of funny how you never
know look at look at that, you

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never know. And I mainly deal
with accountants, CPAs and attorneys. But

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previous to that my experience there,
I was an academic at the City University

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of New York and I also taught
at other universities, and I was a

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director of two major programs. One
was as a director of the City University

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of New York for an environmental study
sub project, and the other one was

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with the City of New York.
I was a director of the Office of

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an Environmental Quality where I supervised a
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And previous to that, I went
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I was a PhD student in City
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of my coursework and when I was
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a brain aneurysm, which I was
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hadn't undertake two full time jobs because
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wife that was not very well.
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for a master's degree and again pretty
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would be an academic faculty at a
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it would take a lot of time. In other words, up seems like

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a job like that is at least
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plus commute type of position or more
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do this other work that we're doing. It's it's extremely difficult. I basically

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have no life after my irs work. I don't have personal time, to

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tell you the truth, I do
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wife, and so they're always demanding
my time, and it is very difficult

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trying to to meet the needs of
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UH to do this work with free
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elite members as part of our group. The most well known is doctor Edger

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Mitchell is one of the co founders
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as well with the work of Free, but slowly but slowly, we're making

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and let's go back now if I
remember right, and pardon me if I

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get this wrong. But are you
an experiencer yourself? Oh? Yes,

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yes, And my entire family is
my wife, my daughter, and myself.

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I've had numerous experiences. Let me
just highlight up just a couple of

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them. There was a a a
metallic little craft of my wife's inside our

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living room. And and let me
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Are we had a sixteen year old
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very ill before she had her stroke. So she was walking around like an

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old lady on crutches, you know, limping around. She had been taking

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tons of medications and we just you
know, did not want to put her

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to sleep. And saw what happened
on a Saturday night at about seven or

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eight o'clock in the evening a stroke. Our dog got a stroke and basically

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became totally paralyzed from the neck down. And we described the symptoms to our

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vet. It was a good friend
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what you're telling me appears like h
Nana, which means a little girl in

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Spanish. That Nana had a stroke, and that he says, look,

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I'll open up my office tomorrow Sunday
and we could put her to sleep,

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you know, and my wife wanted
a little ceremony for her. Uh he

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says, fine, you know,
whatever you want. So my wife at

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that point was very very Catholic.
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to be at church like two to
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So she started praying all night for
I'm iraculous cure, basically for our

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dog. So that Sunday morning at
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that's what she could do. She
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move her head. She can't.
She couldn't move her head. So my

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wife picked her up, we saw
her, he moved around, and she

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was still paralyzed. So my wife
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her to the bathroom outside to see
if she could do you know, her

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necessities because we didn't know what was
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I went back to sleep. So
then about fifteen minutes later my wife,

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not fifteen minute, maybe ten to
fifteen minutes later, my wife was yelling

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at me, and it was like
right, right, right, and I

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totally ignored it because it's Sunday morning
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after all all her yelling, I
totally ignored her. She went up there

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and basically hauled me out of bed, and then she wouldn't tell me what

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it was. But she says,
I need to go downstairs. I need

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to go downstairs, and let me
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that was as I said. I
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something totally different. What she described
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an upside down you. It was
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height, metallic shape, silverish polished, and it had two green lights in

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the middle. Did you say,
this is actually in the house itself,

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in our living room, in our
living room, And again I did not

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see that. She saw that and
saw. My wife never had anything UFFO

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related or et or paranormal related in
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She knelt down and started praying,
and she basically said, if you're a

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bad spirit, get the hell out. If you're a good spirit, stay

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and so. And then all of
a sudden, these lights slot of flickering

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inside and it shot out from the
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then that's when she started yelling at
me too, to go downstairs. So

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she holed me out of bed,
and so she went in front of me,

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and I was right behind her.
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bottom of the stairs and I was
like one or two flights up, she

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totally disappeared in front of me.
Okay, now again, what I'm telling

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you is not rational the way you
act with these types of encounters, because

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you've probably heard from other experiences that
these entities totally controlled your consciousness and your

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behavior. So what happened immediately,
Like, I didn't even pay attention to

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my wife having disappeared. I just
looked in the corner of the room and

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I saw something totally different. What
I saw was a floating plasma being.

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And I called it a being because
it for what I'm about to tell you,

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let me describe it. It was
basically two and a half to three

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feet wide, about a foot and
a half in height, looked like pure

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energy, pure plasma, rectangular in
shape, but it didn't have any external

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edges to it because it was pure
energy. SETI translucent, multicolored, not

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like a rainbow we have one color
touched to another, but like all these

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colors, mixing and matching and flowing
all inside. And what I did is

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basically waved my hand at it and
I said, ah bs, you know.

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Then I turned around, I walked
up the stairs. I went to

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bed, put my hands on the
chest, it look straight up at the

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ceiling, and within a minute I
was knocked out. Okay, I must

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have been knocked out. I didn't. We didn't check the time. Anywhere

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from fifteen minutes to half an hour, I'm not sure. Then I woke

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up, but then I was fully
conscious, and I said to myself,

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holy cow, you know what the
hell has happened, you know? And

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I ran downstairs and there in the
living room, my wife is dancing around

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the floor saying, the angels cured
to the angels, carried to the angels,

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carreter and I was like, one, angels, you know, well

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you saw them, you saw them. I said, well, I didn't

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see an angel what I saw with
this plasma thing, you know. And

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I went upstairs and put me to
sleep for half an hour, fifteen minutes

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whatever it was, and says and
then she then described what she saw.

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Now for the rest of the day
was pure pandemonium and pure confusion. We

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were never scared at all. It
was just because my wife always saw it

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as angel. To me, I
saw that plasma thing, you know,

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And I didn't know that she was
praying. She didn't tell me that until

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much later on. So what I
realized many many months later was this concept

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of missing time because to her,
I was right behind her going down the

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stairs when she looked down, and
then she saw her dog was totally cured.

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The dog when I got downstairs,
was like running around like a little

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puppy, jumping up and down,
you know, like a foot foot and

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a half like Jack Russell does.
And she was like a like a teenager,

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you know. And it wasn't even
the old dog before the stroke,

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you know, walking like gingerly with
the authritis and everything. No, you

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know, and and so for a
long time it was just bewilderment. And

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immediately I went to the Internet and
I typed in you know UFOs ets,

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you know, aliens, paranormal,
you know, because I had no concept

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of what this was. Now,
pardon me? Was this the first the

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first incident? Yes, this was
the very first incident. It was March

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of twenty twelve, March fourth of
twenty twelve. And then what happened.

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I won't go into the details,
but there was three incidences where my wife

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saw a craft. Two times she
called it down and twice they were witnesses,

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mainly her family members that had witnessed
this craft with her with her and

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then one time I called on a
craft, but it was playfully because the

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night before I had seen this guy
on YouTube calling down a craft in the

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middle of the day, and this
little speck appeared. And so it was

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already at nine o'clock at night,
it was totally cloudy night, and I

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was waiting for this friend of mine
to give me some papers, and I

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said, what the hell, you
know, let me experiment do what I

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saw on YouTube last night. But
it was, you know, it was

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just I really wasn't goofing off.
I wasn't here about it, but not

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like someone that goes on these retreats
for three or four days and praise and

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meditates for three or four days.
Now, it's just like, okay,

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when I'm wait for your friend,
let me try it. What happened was

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there was a huge agend a craft
that appeared the bottom of the size of

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a football stadium. The bottom of
the craft was five feet from the roof,

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okay, five feet from the roof, less than thirty feet away from

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us. It was huge. It
went back six hundred meters. It looked

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like in a hundred meters tall and
then I heard a voice saying, Daddy,

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you and Miami have seen a UFO. Next time you guys see a

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UFO, you call me, all
right, daddy. And again they controlly

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control your mind. So immediately I
went to the window and I called my

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just recently twelve year old daughter to
come outside and see this craft. Okay,

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because I was outside and we live
in a cul de sac, a

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very wide and long col Desac.
Now, if you're a rashly thinking person,

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that would be the last thing you
would do, you know, called

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down a twelve year old daughter to
come and see this thing, you know,

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because you don't know what the hell's
gonna happen. So then for fifteen

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minutes, she and I saw this
craft. Then my friend comes not by

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himself, but with his wife and
their seventeen year old daughter. Now,

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both of these folks, she's from
Mexico, she's from Colombia. Both of

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them are professionals, college educated,
big time Catholics that every Sunday they got

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to be at church, okay,
and it was total bewilderment, you know,

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on their part. And then I've
had numerous paranormal experiences. My wife

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had them as well, So it's
basically my entire family has had these experiences,

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myself and my wife seeing this entity
that controlled our minds. It basically

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took my wife and returned our door
completely cured from a total paralysis of miraculous

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healing. And then my daughter and
I saw that huge craft with three other

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adults, and then my wife in
Mexico. And when once in the US,

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I had saw sightings of these huge
craps. Wow, this is really

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interesting. Now, So Monday,
you go back to work, you're hanging

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around the water cooler. You didn't
really bring this up, did you?

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Oh? I didn't talk about this
for many many months. But did you

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talk to colleagues about it? No? No, not in the beginning.

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No, No, It wasn't until
later on when I started having a lot

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more of these experiences. I guess
it all started. I started talking about

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it really heavy duty about a year
and three or four months later when I

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had a download of of instructions and
and then I was inside a wheel floating

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in the middle of like a matrix
type of reality, where inside this wheel

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it had all these various paranormal components
in each side, each spoke of a

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wheel like for example, UM eat
contact was one. Spoke. Near death

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experiences was another. Spoke. Out
of body experiences was another area of the

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spoke of the wheel, remote viewing, you know, ghosts and spirits,

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the spirit world, etc. How
about cryptoid's bigfoot anything? Oh no,

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no, that I don't recall that. I remember. It was like eight

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different topic areas. And then what
was in my head, what was put

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into my head, what was holding
everything together was consciousness and quantum physics.

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Okay, and that all of them
are all into related, it's all one,

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and it's all controlled by consciousness and
quantum physics. Okay. Now that

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same day. I don't know if
you've ever had Mary Rodwell on your show.

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Okay. Mary Rodwell is one of
the top researchers of individuals that have

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had UFO related contact. She's been
research research, she has researched over three

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thousand cases. Okay. She's not
that well known in the United States because

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of the travel expenses to the US. Most people get you know, Yvonne

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Smith, Barbara Land, Kathleen Martin. But in Europe, Mary Rodwell is

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all three of these eighties all put
together. Just to let you know,

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you know her background and so what
happened was seven months before. I had

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sent an email to you know,
Grant Caramon, Joe Montaldo, David Jacobs,

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you name it, you know,
uh, someone people that dealt with

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this area, you know, Barbara
Lamb whatever, top upologists, telling them

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about my story and wanting to find
answers because the Internet was just full of

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junk, you know. It was
like their angels there, their devils and

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if Affilians they're in the knakis.
And then you had a million people.

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You know, I've got all the
answers. I've got all the answers,

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00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,119
you know, and they're all contradicting
each other. So I sent an email

410
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,519
to these top people, just like
any experiencer, you want someone to talk

411
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,279
to, you know. And so
um, I got responses from a few

412
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,680
folks. I think Whitley Streeber was
one of them. Grant Cameron was another

413
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,920
one. I forgot who. Joe
Montaldo was another one. Um. And

414
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,200
so anyway, Mary, that day
that I got that download sends me an

415
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,400
email. He says, Darray,
I'm sorry Tom respond into your email that

416
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,519
you had sent seven months ago,
but it just popped up on my screen.

417
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,759
Okay. So then I immediately went
on email, and I sent her

418
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,319
an email, well, you don't
know what the hell has happened since in

419
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,680
these last seven months, and just
today this happened. So then she showed

420
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680
me how to use Skype. I
had never used Skype before, and we

421
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,680
talked about her work. We talked
about catching up with all my additional experiences

422
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,680
that I had since that day of
the sighting of the craft with my daughter

423
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,279
and my three friends. And so
she also told me about this professor at

424
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:39,880
Harvard who worked very closely with doctor
John Mack for many years before doctor John

425
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Mack died, and then after he
died. He's one of the founders of

426
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,279
the John Mac Institute to carry on
the legacy of doctor Mac and that he

427
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,079
had worked with has been working with
experiences for over thirty years, and that

428
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Rudy in fact is one of the
world's leading experts on quantum physics and consciousness.

429
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,759
And so I didn't really pay a
lot of attention to that, you

430
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:05,240
know, until the very next day
Mary and I hung up and we'll say,

431
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,119
okay, we'll continue to chat.
Oh, by the way, I

432
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,519
did ask Mary about that, you
know, does she ever go back seven

433
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,680
months to check her emails and She
started laughing. She says, Ray,

434
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,200
I can barely keep with one day's
emails. How in the world am I

435
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,279
going to go back seven months?
So I said, well, Mary,

436
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,960
how do you explain that? And
she laughed out loud, you know,

437
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,440
almost hysterically, She said, Ray, by now you ought to know what

438
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,119
happened. You know that the ETS
basically waited to put it there in front

439
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:34,200
of me this day that I got
that download. Now here's another quote unquote

440
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,000
synchronicity that very next day, after
I had my download and I spoke with

441
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:43,440
Mary, I got a phone call
at ninth thirty in the morning from doctor

442
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,759
Rudy Shields. Okay, I didn't
even know this fellow and never even met

443
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,240
him, never you spoke to him. He calls me. Remember, this

444
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,720
guy's a seventy five year old professor
who's one of the directors of the Harvard

445
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:59,079
Smithsonian Center for Astral Physics. He
had a battle with Stephen Hawking, which

446
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,079
I found out later on, for
over twenty five years as to what is

447
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,400
the true nature of black holes.
Okay, Rudy won the war, not

448
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,400
Stephen Hawking. Hawking publicly admitted two
years ago. For the last thirty years

449
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,679
he had been completely wrong on black
holes, and now most astrophysicists accept the

450
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,400
model that was put forward by doctor
Richiels. Just to let you know the

451
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,119
mind of this guy. This guy's
a genius among geniuses. So he calls

452
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,480
me up at nine thirty and he
starts spoon feeding me advanced quantum physics.

453
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:32,599
And he said, Ray, I
advanced quantum physics, and doctor Egor Mitchell's

454
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,480
quantum hologram theory of consciousness and physics
can't explain all of the paranormal phenomenon.

455
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:45,119
So the vision that you had and
the instructions that you had were actually correct.

456
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,840
But yet the rest of the majority
of humanity doesn't understand that. Okay.

457
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
And so at the end of it, he says, Ray, look,

458
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,599
you know, these ets gave you
a mission because what I didn't tell

459
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,360
you, what they had told me, was that when I was in this

460
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:07,960
mystical state, this matrix type of
stateward, this wheel was floating around me,

461
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,960
I was given a download. Okay. I didn't physically see these ets,

462
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,960
okay. And again I was in
the middle of a traffic jam going

463
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,199
to work on Monday morning at eight
thirty in the morning, okay, and

464
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,719
it was the middle of this traffic
jam that this occurred, and basically what

465
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:29,280
I got the message was that I
need to inform humanity of the relationship between

466
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:35,400
these entities that I've been working with
me, these entities, the spirit world

467
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,800
and consciousness. Well, okay,
in this traffic jam, in the middle

468
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,000
of a traffic jam at eight thirty
in the morning, and I called an

469
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,199
experience of the only experience that I've
been talking up to that time, and

470
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,920
it was only for two months.
And she was someone that Joe Montaldo had

471
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,320
sent to communicate with me, because
Joe is doing some studies on abductions,

472
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,920
you know, and experiencers. So
that's how you know, I came ahold

473
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,880
of this individual. So I called
her up at eight thirty in the morning

474
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,719
and I said, you won't freak
and believe what has happened. And so

475
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000
you know, we had that brief
conversation and it was that night that I

476
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,119
got Mary Rodwell to send me that
email. Now towards the end, Rudy

477
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,199
said, look, Ray, they
gave you and instructions of what you need

478
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,440
to what you need to do,
okay, And I said, but look,

479
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:23,719
Rudy, I have no idea what
the hell, I'm going to do.

480
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,079
It wasn't like, you know,
do step A step B steps,

481
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,719
you know, It's just like some
nebulous thing, you know. And he

482
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,280
says, don't worry. It always
comes to experiencers, you know. Clarification

483
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,079
always comes later, you know.
And Rudy said, well, if you

484
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:42,719
do something, I recommend an organization, and if you do for this organization,

485
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,199
I will be there to help support
you and to back you up.

486
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:50,280
Initially we thought it was like a
documentary or something like that to do,

487
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,840
you know, because we u but
let me continue the story. I'm jumping

488
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,280
the gun a little bit. So
Rudy said he he'll back us up.

489
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,880
He'll be a scientific advisor. And
then he says, jot down this telephone

490
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,159
birth. So I started writing down
the telephone number. He said, this

491
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,679
is the telephone number of my mentor. So this is the mentor of the

492
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,800
smartest man in the world, the
person that bested Stephen Hawking, okay,

493
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,800
one of the directors of the Harvard
Smithsonian Center for Rostrophysics. He said,

494
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
call him up. I said,
well, who's this? He says,

495
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,119
doctor edgar Mitchell. And at that
point I was like, you know,

496
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:28,920
I already knew who he was,
so like Rudy and I agreed to converse

497
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,000
and it took me like four hours
before I called Edgar up. And when

498
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,199
I did call him up, he
said that Rudy had already sent him an

499
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,840
email and I had chatted with him
briefly on the telephone and said, I'm

500
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,559
someone to be taken seriously and to
pay attention to me. You know.

501
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,920
So what Edgar did he invited me
to his house, okay, for the

502
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,119
next day. So now we're at
the third day, okay, because the

503
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:59,360
first day was my download and me
being inside the wheel that night, Mary

504
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Rodwell said be an email that I
sent seven months late. The next day,

505
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,519
at nine thirty, doctor Rudy Shields
calls me. I didn't call him.

506
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,760
He calls me at nine thirty in
the morning. And then doctor Egan

507
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,760
Mitchell that afternoon invited me to his
house. So the next day I was

508
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,280
at his house and oh my god, I didn't even know this man.

509
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,559
And he's going on into all these
intimate stories about his life. And I

510
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,199
won't go into a lot of these
details because it's not very relevant, but

511
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,679
basically he told me all about Roswell, you know, the whole everything astronauts,

512
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,840
you know, some stories of astronauts. So at the end of it

513
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,039
all, he repeats the same thing
that Rudy told me, and he says,

514
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,440
look right, you know, I
will back you up. With Rudy,

515
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,360
we will be your scientific advisors.
And as a matter of fact,

516
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,119
I have a group called Quantract,
which he explained to me. We were

517
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:52,199
a group of advanced physicists and we've
been working on various physics related projects,

518
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:59,519
including the physics of zero point energy
and the physics of consciousness. We've been

519
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,719
doing this for many years, and
we can invite them in to help us

520
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,719
out. Okay. So then when
I we you know, we agreed to

521
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,199
continue chatting, and you know,
I told him I have no idea what

522
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,639
the hell I'm going to do,
and safety with Rudy, It'll come to

523
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,239
you. It always comes to you, you know. So then I then

524
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,639
sent an email to Mary Rodwell and
I said, Mary, look, we

525
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,280
need to do something. You know, we need to form an organization.

526
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,079
And then I said, Edgar and
Rudy are not going to be you know,

527
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,599
moving forward with this because these are
two, you know, two men

528
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:34,360
that it is extremely busy. Why
don't you and I, you know,

529
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,199
start this. I have no idea
what we're doing. And we thought it

530
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,119
was going to be a documentary or
something like that, a little movie or

531
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:44,719
something. You know, we really
had no idea. So um, like

532
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,280
two weeks later, you know,
Mary says, ray, I got the

533
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,119
perfect name for it, Free,
the Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters.

534
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,320
Now, mind you, we had
no idea what we're going to be doing

535
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,960
anyway, Okay, So then one
day I was on the computer, was

536
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:01,840
a Saturday morning, nobody was here, and all of a sudden I just

537
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,360
started typing. I just started banging
away, you know, for an hour

538
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,440
and a half or two hours.
And what it was was a whole mission

539
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:15,079
of what FREE would be doing this
new organization. And within a month we

540
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:22,719
had a who's who joining doctor Mitchell, doctor Rudy Shields, and Mary Rodwell.

541
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,480
Now we have a whole bunch of
retired academics. One of the academics

542
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,639
is the chair of our research study, doctor John Klimo, and he's a

543
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:40,400
recently retired tenured professor of psychology.
He's one of the world's most famous academics

544
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,519
on the paranormal and he's taught research
methodology for over forty years. He's chaired

545
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:51,880
two hundred and fifty PhD dissertations.
We also have in our group a neuroscientist,

546
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,719
again, a retired professor of the
brain of neuroscience. His name is

547
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,760
doctor Bob Davis, and he just
recently wrote a book and has been on

548
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:08,239
several radio programs talking about his book, which is a book titled UFOs Should

549
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,360
We Believe? And yeah, he
was on this show a little while ago.

550
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,320
Okay, yeah, so you so
you know his background. Then only

551
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
recently he and his wife, I
think it was maybe three years ago.

552
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,239
He and his wife were out in
Sedona, and again, this guy was

553
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,599
a scientists, a brain, you
know, a specialist, totally skeptical all

554
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:30,920
of this material. So he and
his wife saw a UFO in the middle

555
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,039
out of Sedona and then he just
freaked out. He got hitten a head

556
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,480
by a two by four, you
know, and began researching this phenomenon.

557
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:44,599
And what he discovered doing you know, heavy duty scientific academic research on this

558
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,320
basically through government publishing his government reports, was that there is more than credible

559
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,880
evidence for a scientist to reasonably conclude
that, yes, the UFO phenomenon is

560
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:01,480
very much real. And so I
then brought him in to Free again with

561
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,920
the approval of doctor edgra Mitchell and
UH and UH and doctor Rudy Shields to

562
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,880
be like the skeptic of our group, you know, the raschalista scientist type,

563
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,719
and he wound up being, you
know, like the co chair with

564
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,360
doctor Klemo of our research study.
UM. Other people we have on board,

565
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,400
um doctor Lego Sprinkle, who was
the first academic to actually publish articles

566
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:30,360
on individuals that I've had you a
full related contact. But back then almost

567
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,480
all the start studies were done on
abductees. But Leo was on a little

568
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,719
while ago and he did he did
mention this. Um, I just I

569
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,920
just have a we're moving further away
from something I want to ask you about

570
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,719
actually, and one of the things
that you I hadn't heard it until I'm

571
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,280
going to say maybe I started hearing
it about eight months ago. The word

572
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,119
download over and everybody's talking about download. I was at the Experiencer's speak this

573
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,880
last week in in Portland Lane saw
Grant Cameron can Feeling, Martin Stanton Freedman,

574
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:05,599
Travis Walden, etc. Etc.
And Kening is on our board of

575
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,960
directors Okay, So I do have
some things to talk about as far as

576
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,679
that term and everything, but I
want to talk about the wheel. The

577
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,480
wheel, to me is fascinating.
And by the way, if you're listening

578
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,920
live, you can call in the
show at six O three nine six seven

579
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,400
four h three zero or jump in
the chat room at podcast UFO and ask

580
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,079
a questions. So there's someone on
the message board who has I'm just going

581
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,199
to basically read his question. It's
similar to one I had in mind.

582
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:37,199
But he's saying I have heard others
mentioned this similar image of a wheel.

583
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,679
Have you talked with others who had
the similar image and if so, what

584
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:50,159
were the differences or similarities. Well, interesting enough, the person that put

585
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,800
that conference that you attended to that
you attended the Experience to Speak conference,

586
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,639
this is miss Huans, Audrey Hwans. She had a similar experience of the

587
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:04,440
wheel. I see, uh huh. Anyone else that you're aware was another

588
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,599
experiencer that had a very similar experience
of the wheel that they were in the

589
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:14,920
type of like a matrix reality that
you're like floating somewhere and you know somewhere

590
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,199
you know, and you're inside a
wheel and it's floating around you. So

591
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,360
there's three people that I know of, But again I have not publicized or

592
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,639
I don't have a book published or
anything like that. A lot of people

593
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,559
don't really know a lot of my
story. You know, have you ever

594
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,000
seen this? Uh? Have you
ever seen this? After that, we

595
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,960
have someone calling and hang on just
say yeah, surely, Hello caller,

596
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,000
you're on the line. Please say
your first name and go ahead and ask

597
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:45,239
a question. Yes, my name
is Bobby. I'm calling from Jasper,

598
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Alabama. And my question is this, do you believe that there is any

599
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:55,800
way that we can, for lack
of a better word, call in if

600
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,239
you will, kind of Sunday a
middle telepathy kind of message to some of

601
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:08,480
these visitors to come and visit us. And do you believe that that would

602
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,960
be a positive experience or or could
there possibly be some that you don't want

603
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,679
to come visit you? Okay,
let me answer that question. We did

604
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,920
ask that question in our survey.
I haven't got into the research study yet,

605
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,280
but it's a survey that we've gotten
two thousand, five hundred responses from

606
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,679
individuals that have had UFO related ET
contact, and we did ask that question

607
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:40,840
and we have gotten positive responses in
the very high hundreds of individuals that have

608
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:50,880
called down a craft. We cannot
publish our findings with actual numbers and percentages

609
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,320
and things of that sort, but
yes, that's a very very high number

610
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,519
of people that have done that,
just like I did it, my wife

611
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,920
did it. Also, there's this
concept UM which is totally changed. But

612
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:07,440
in Latin America, UM six O
pass in nineteen seventy four formed a group

613
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,760
called Group or RAMA, which is
a group too basically called down these crists

614
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,840
and begin communications with these beings.
And then now, yes, I'm sorry,

615
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,639
I did we need to erupt you. And you're saying that that that

616
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,719
brings to light something and I hope
I'm not stepping on evy toes of what

617
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,320
I'm about to say, because that's
not my intention. But there's one person

618
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:34,800
that that kind of uh he gets
groups together, uh, and that is

619
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,039
doctor Stephen Greer, and he,
uh, he will get groups together.

620
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,119
But now he advocates that, uh
that you know, you need to be

621
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,039
experienced with this. With that in
mind, and you mentioned that in this

622
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:52,599
individual he's you know, he does
this and encourages this. Yeah, if

623
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,199
he ever had any personal interaction with
doctor Greer, and if so, what's

624
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,519
your opinion on some of his UH
theories and and whatnot the heat proponing.

625
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:05,440
Okay, well, let me just
ask answer the last question very briefly.

626
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,800
There have been many individuals all over
the world that have been formed forming these

627
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,840
contact groups even before Stephen Greer's name
was even a public household, Okay,

628
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,199
especially in Latin America. And these
individuals that I know have conducted these sessions

629
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:28,199
all throughout the world, and many
participants have, yes, have had contact

630
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:34,519
of both the crafts and these beings. Now doctor Stephen Greer, I personally

631
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:40,000
have not had any relationships with him, in formal or formal relationships with him.

632
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:45,440
Now. In terms of positions,
free takes the position a neutral position

633
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,960
of whether these experiences are positive,
negative, neutral, whatever. You know.

634
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,519
Our publishings are our surveys, I
should say. Our surveys will be

635
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,199
revealed on December first, and we
do ask those questions of experiencers. We

636
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,599
asked it many many different ways.
And again we've got two thousand, five

637
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,840
hundred people that answered this. So
it's not just a little tiny study that

638
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,880
someone did with you know, twenty
or thirty people. This is a huge,

639
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,719
gigantic study and we did ask that
question that you just asked about whether

640
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,519
they're positive or negative, or neutral
or whatever in many different ways. Now,

641
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,239
the final I asked, I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry to

642
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,800
was going to say, is that
the findings, the way these experiencers are

643
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,039
answering them, uh, most of
the public will find it much more different

644
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:39,199
perception than what they see on the
internet, right, And I look forward

645
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,239
to that. The only reason that
I asked about doctor Greece because just just

646
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,119
as you said, his name has
been one that's kind of uh become a

647
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,199
household talk if you will. He's
got a little bit more probility. I

648
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,480
very much look forward to your release, and I'm thoroughly enjoying your interview this

649
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,920
evening, and thank you for ask
you my questions. And I'll go think

650
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,599
you to listen to the program.
Thank thank you, Bobby, appreciate the

651
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:10,639
call in. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bobby. So okay,

652
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,320
and if anyone else also, I
wish we had to say this,

653
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,960
if you'd rather skype in, my
user name is Marty Willis. I don't

654
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,280
like to be called Marty, but
that was the only one that was available,

655
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,000
So Marty Willis. If you want
to skype in and again the phone

656
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,960
number six h three nine six seven
four h three zero. Now, I

657
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,840
can't remember exactly the topic that we
were on, but it seems to me

658
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,719
we did have another question. Yeah, you want me to take the other

659
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,760
question or to talk a little bit
about some of the other board of directors.

660
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,519
We have eleven individuals, Yeah,
okay, we have about We have

661
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,639
about ten minutes or so to the
top of the hour. So let's just

662
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,880
devise what we're going to be talking
about, mostly in the second hour before

663
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,360
we move on. Right now,
we can talk about the board members,

664
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,239
who's involved. We can do that
now in the second hour week and go

665
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,960
in depth in terms of the study, because so far we haven't, you

666
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,519
know, mentioned anything about the methodology. Okay, sure, let's go ahead

667
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:09,559
and go ahead. And who's on
board? And how did you get them

668
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:15,079
on board? You mentioned how the
first two obviously did it all just kind

669
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:20,519
of fall together? Yes? Like
for example, doctor John Klimo, someone

670
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,840
recommended that I give him a call. I didn't even know his background.

671
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:31,760
He himself as an experiencer and he's
public about it now, and so when

672
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,119
I told them what I had in
mind, he told me that he taught

673
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,199
research methodology for forty years and he
told me all the books and the PC

674
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,199
dissertations and stuff, and I said, oh my god. You know it's

675
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,119
like, um he was put right
in front of me to be the chairperson

676
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,199
for this research study because I said
earlier, you know, this is one

677
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:57,639
of the world's leading academic in this
area. And then Bob Davis was He

678
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,000
called me up and asked and sent
me an email wanting to talk to me.

679
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,360
So the other members, the non
academic members, I should say,

680
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:12,000
are Kathleen Martin who who you know, Rosemary Ellen Guiley. I don't know

681
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
if you ever had her on your
show. She's published seventy two books on

682
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,320
the paranormal. And Mary Rodwell,
who I mentioned before, who's one of

683
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,880
the world's leading researchers in this field. We also have Georgio Piacenza who's one

684
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:32,000
of Latin America's leading uphologists and he
himself is an experiencer. And Kathleen Martin

685
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:38,280
did come out publicly last September that
she's also an experiencer. And there's you

686
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:44,000
know, some other individuals on our
board who are experiencers. I don't know

687
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,119
whether they've publicly come out or not. But basically eighty percent of our board,

688
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:53,039
our experiencers, more than half our
retired academics, actually five of them.

689
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,199
We also have doctor Michael Melton,
who you probably met at the Experiencer's

690
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:05,800
Speak conference. Uh. He U
is um a PhD clinical psychologist who is

691
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,599
a member of Starborn Support and uh
works with many of the experiencers associated with

692
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,159
that organization. I'm sorry, I
just I just missed the name. Who

693
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,599
that was? Oh, the last
one was doctor Michael Melton. No,

694
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,559
I didn't, I didn't meet him. He was that that fat, chubby

695
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,280
guy that was taking probably the video
of the conference. Okay, I know

696
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,719
exactly who he is. Yeah,
well, he's a PhD clinical psychologist and

697
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,960
he's also a member of our board
of directors, and he and Kathleen Martin

698
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:43,000
are member members of move On's Experiencer
Research team. So we do have members

699
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:49,079
of move On that are doing research
on on on experiencers, not experiences.

700
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,719
I should say I'm abductees, because
that's the focus of their study. So,

701
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,840
as you could tell, we have
an elite group working on this.

702
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,880
It is an academically driven, academically
guided research study. Now Besides credibility,

703
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,480
what has doctor Edgar Mitchell brought to
the table for free. Oh, he's

704
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,239
reviewed every document. He's reviewed the
people that we were thinking of bringing in.

705
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,440
He's giving us the thumbs up of
the thumbs down. On a few

706
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,280
people, he's given us the thumbs
down. He's made contacts with other individuals

707
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,559
opening up doors for example. Each
is. Recently, on Saturday, I

708
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:34,039
was in his house again and he
signed the letter off for us to give

709
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:39,239
to various conference organizers requesting that free
one of our academics, one of our

710
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,679
professors in free be able to give
a lecture at the major conferences around the

711
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,079
world, not just on upology,
but in other areas to talk about our

712
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:57,760
free research study after December first.
So we're targeting conferences in twenty sixteen,

713
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,960
hoping for them to invite one of
our academics to give a formal speech about

714
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,400
our findings. Hmm okay, and
I can send you that letter that doctor

715
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Mitchell uh uh signed off on.
He just did it this Saturday. Uh

716
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,639
So he's um, he's he's doing
Okay, I've a couple of things five

717
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,199
years old, right, Yeah,
he's um, he's his health is not

718
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,639
you know, the best of health. I'm not at liberty to go into

719
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:30,360
all the details of his health,
but um, you know he's not there,

720
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,320
Mitchell that I met three h three
years ago or no, excuse me,

721
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,360
two and a half years ago,
Uh, the first time at his

722
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,679
house because you know, age takes
a toll on individuals. But he's still

723
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,559
very sharp, very witty. Yeah, you know he's still If you get

724
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,920
into a debate with him, I
wish you the best of luck. Okay.

725
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,519
Um. So, one of the
questions I had here is what type

726
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:59,079
of publicity was undertaken to publicize um, the research study, just to get

727
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,719
the word out there, to get
these what did you say, two thousand

728
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:09,599
plus people individuals? Yeah, into
the specifics, um. We uh sent

729
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:17,039
out every month a posting on over
five hundred Facebook sites Facebook. No,

730
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,480
no, that's not the only one. That's just one out of like ten

731
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,000
different strategies. Okay. Now,
the Facebook sites that we posted on was

732
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:31,159
English, Spanish and French okay.
And it dealt with uphology groups with moufan

733
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:42,639
groups, abductions, paranormal parapsychology,
extra politics, consciousness, et aliens,

734
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,519
hybrids, achien aliens, new age
groups, CE five groups with that person

735
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:52,119
I just mentioned in the last caller
a short while ago and um. And

736
00:55:52,760 --> 00:56:00,039
we send that out every month our
postings about our free research study. We

737
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:05,320
also sent over two thousand and five
hundred emails to a mailing list that we

738
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,920
got from many of the people in
our organization like for example, doctor Egan

739
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,920
Mitchell, uh Mary Rodwell, doctor
Rudy Shields, you know, etc.

740
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:21,239
Etc. That are participating with Free. We also sent an email to all

741
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,199
of the Mouffon directors, state directors, assistant directors, international directors. It

742
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,480
was a list of over one hundred
names. We also sent emails to the

743
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:39,000
top authors of uphology, of the
paranormal, of abduction, or authors or

744
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:45,199
researchers all over the world. So
almost every people that you've interviewed, most

745
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:52,679
of them have received an email from
Free announcing our experience or research study and

746
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,199
if they had any questions to to
to send us an email to Free.

747
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:04,480
We also sent the emation on Free
to almost all of the major uphology and

748
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:09,800
paranormal radio stations, and we were
also interviewed by two move on radio stations

749
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,159
as well, and to the websites
of all of these individuals and organizations so

750
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,360
no one has ever done this type
of publicity before for any type of research

751
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:29,400
study associated to this phenomenon. So
that's to respond of our public outreach,

752
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,199
which is extensive. It really sounds
it and I know, you know,

753
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:37,440
just from my own experience, how
much time you know something like that takes.

754
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,480
And then if you want to boost
posts, you know you can spend

755
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,679
some money too. I don't know
if you do any of that type of

756
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,519
thing, but you know, just
to get the word out there. It

757
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:50,840
helps when you have other people helping. And it sounds like you have a

758
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,559
team. I don't know how much
of the work you have a huge support

759
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,920
team backing us up. Uh huh. And before we hit the top of

760
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,639
the hour here in just a couple
minutes, if you can just say,

761
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:08,519
um, it's Experiencers dot c no
dot org. It's experiencer singular. It's

762
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:20,480
e x P E R I E
n C e R dot rgy dot org.

763
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,639
Okay, And before we move on
at the top of the hour,

764
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,800
I just wanted to ask you one
question for the first hour here, and

765
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,239
that is to finish up. For
a couple of minutes, um, have

766
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,280
you talked? I keep going back
to this IRS thing, and I just

767
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,320
wondered if you are if you are
out of the closet as far as this

768
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,159
goes, you know, at work
or is it now? Yes, the

769
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:49,159
way you had asked a question was
initially after my experiences, I have indeed

770
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,440
spoken with almost every attorney in my
group. Wow, and my supervisor.

771
00:58:52,840 --> 00:59:00,000
Okay, Three of them have had
experiences okay. One was a direct vision

772
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,000
of a craft and an ET contact
experience. Okay. Two of them have

773
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:08,840
had paranormal experiences. I also asked
a question, have they spoken to anyone?

774
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,119
And they said, Ray, please
don't tell anybody else. Don't tell

775
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:16,000
me about just in confidence. Okay. So this is a group of about

776
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,320
twelve attorneys, including with my supervisor, and three of them have had well,

777
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,679
one has had, as I said
before, the actual sighting of a

778
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:31,320
craft and an ET contact experience,
and the other two have had paranormal experiences.

779
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:36,119
Wow. You know how it's very
common that people don't talk about it.

780
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,639
Yeah, Well, you know how
the IRS can target someone, Well,

781
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:44,480
it sounds like the IRS is being
targeted to me. I don't know

782
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:50,239
the reason I'm stating this because another
project that we're going to be pushing,

783
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,159
we're going to be starting in a
couple of weeks is to begin a program

784
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,280
called the Experiencer Liberation Day. I
saw that, Yes, yeah, go

785
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,079
ahead and talk about Okay. So
you have been getting a lot of my

786
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,559
emails. Okay, So with the
experience of Liberation Day, we can talk

787
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,840
about it in the next hour.
But it's basically all these movements, you

788
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:14,599
know, gays, lesbians, civil
rights movement, the woman's movement. You

789
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:20,079
know, they're all out of the
closet. Okay, the closetedde yes.

790
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,719
But for us, we want to
get experiencers out of the closet. Why

791
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,079
is it that these three attorneys that
work with me can't talk about these things

792
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,159
publicly? You know why myself,
given my experiences, I cannot talk about

793
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,119
it publicly? You know, Um, eight out of the eleven people in

794
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,800
our our our our group here and
our board of directors, board of directors,

795
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:45,440
our experiencers, yet only half of
them are open the open about their

796
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,119
experiences. Okay. Why is that
it should not be? Okay, this

797
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:53,480
is a phenomenon which is taking place
all over the world. It's uh,

798
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:59,159
why can't we discuss it openly?
Once we begin to discuss it openly,

799
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,480
then we're be able to deal with
this in a scientific, academic, rational

800
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,480
way and not just some taboo that's
on the Internet of people speeling bullshit because

801
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:13,599
the friend you know, of people
speeling information without any credibility. So what

802
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:19,199
we're trying to do with free is
do the first ever academic comprehensive research study

803
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:25,199
on experiencers and with these with these
academics, and actually bring credibility to this

804
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,679
field for the first time, so
experiencers can indeed come out of the closet.

805
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:34,480
Right, Okay, So hang in
there if you're listening live, we're

806
01:01:34,519 --> 01:02:12,760
going to be right back. All
right. We're on the line here with

807
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:19,199
Ray Hernandez. He is going to
be talking this hour more about the research

808
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,079
that the study that it's being done
with all these two thousand some odd people.

809
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,840
You can call in this show at
six O three nine six seven four

810
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,760
h three zero. You can skype
in at Marty Willis at the user name

811
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,199
Skype user name Marty Willis, M
A R T Y W I L L

812
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:44,280
I S. And all right,
so we sort of left off about people

813
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:50,159
being able to talk about this openly
freely, and I understand you know,

814
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:57,880
this has so many parallels to you
hear about other like support groups of whatever

815
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,440
kind. It is where people you
know in numbers feel safe and talk about

816
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:08,960
their own experiences and whatever they are
in any given group. And how say

817
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,920
even AA or all that. How
it seems to work. It seems to

818
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,840
comfort people to be able to talk
about it. Is that part of what

819
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,159
free is doing. Yes, yes, we also have another program which I

820
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:23,760
haven't discussed yet. We've actually been
running it for a year and a half.

821
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,280
It used to be called the Experiencer
Buddy Program and now it's called the

822
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:37,159
Experiencer Peer Support Program and its individual
it's what it is is that we announce

823
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:44,440
it to individuals that have had any
type of contact experience with I don't like

824
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,400
to use the word ET because it
signifies extraterrestrial, but basically any UFO related

825
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,199
non human intelligent being and you need
someone to talk to, we hook you

826
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:00,000
up with an individual that has had
many years of having these experience. Most

827
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,760
of the individuals that have volunteered for
this, we have over thirty of them.

828
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,079
Most of them are in their late
fifties, sixties, and even seventies.

829
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,199
And these individuals that are not traumatized
by this, they might have had

830
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,119
early trauma, you know, when
they first began these experiences, but over

831
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:19,840
the years it's like, you know, been there, done that, you

832
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,599
know. So we hooked these people
up with these rookies. People have never

833
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:28,760
talked with anybody, and even a
lot of older folks we talked to that

834
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,840
I've never spoke to anyone except their
spouse. But because we're doing this work

835
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,760
with free and we're publicizing all this
work, people coming out of the woodworks,

836
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,480
you know, so then they emails
if they found out about this program.

837
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,480
The Buddy program are called the Peer
Support program, and we hooked them

838
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,400
up with someone to talk to,
and in a year and a half,

839
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,119
we have helped almost three hundred and
fifty people. Okay, Now let me

840
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:57,280
give an example of myself. Okay, I did not have a traumatic experience.

841
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,239
It was my wife sees them as
angels, you know, and they

842
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,000
did have a miraculous healing of our
dog. And I never had anything negative.

843
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:11,079
Okay, But yet I was extremely
traumatized by this. Why because my

844
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:15,920
whole mindset was totally blown up here. I was an atheist, Okay.

845
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:19,920
My wife would force me to go
to church on Sundays and it would be

846
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,519
like once a month I would go
you know, um the other times she

847
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,880
would go without me, you know. And I was trained at Berkeley in

848
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,599
the PSD candidate at Berkeley, you
know, a rational materialist, and all

849
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,519
of a sudden, this thing you
know, pops in my living room,

850
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:42,000
and then all these other experiences,
so your your mind gets blown to little

851
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,880
pieces and you have to put them
together again to make some semblance of your

852
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,079
life. Um, you know,
you don't work, you become depressed.

853
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:54,400
You're like totally anxious to be able
to talk with someone someone, And it

854
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,719
was about nine months that I was
alone. I had no one to talk

855
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:01,039
to, so, you know,
even and that's even though my experiences were

856
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:05,239
positive. So there's a tremendous need
to talk to other people, right right,

857
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,480
Um, there's a question up on
the message board. UM, I

858
01:06:09,559 --> 01:06:13,480
thought you addressed it in your first
account, but perhaps not. Have you

859
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:16,519
seen an ET in person? And
if so, can you describe the features?

860
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,360
Oh? Yeah, I did describe
it. It was this floating,

861
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:25,760
uh plasma being. But was there
any other um any have you ever had

862
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,440
another experience where you've actually physically saw
No, not physically that's the only one,

863
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,280
but basically this et whatever you want
to call it. You know,

864
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,679
uh did take my wife and the
dog and returned them back later. You

865
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,760
know, the dog totally cured.
It did act forced me to act totally

866
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,280
irrationally. You just don't look at
something like that in the military river room,

867
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:53,960
wave your hand at it. Just
said bs. Then go upstairs and

868
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000
you get knocked out, like you
know, in seconds, you know,

869
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,559
and then all of a sudden wake
up and realize that you know, your

870
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,760
your back, your your consciousness,
your real mind, you're real thinking,

871
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,039
you know it's back, and you
run down the stairs and then you know,

872
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:12,599
craziness develops after your wife tells tells
you what she had. You know,

873
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,840
so it definitely was a being.
It was not a plasma ball like

874
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,880
an energy ball or something like that. No, it was so huge,

875
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,199
you know, you just can't make
the stuff up. It was a being.

876
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,360
Now, how long lasting was the
effects on the dog? Oh?

877
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,440
The dog? Mind you? She
was sixteen years old. Okay, again

878
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,880
that's the equivalent. I guess you
know someone that's ninety five or something like

879
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,519
that. Um, she lived for
another eleven months like a teenager. Wow,

880
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,440
eleven and a half months, I
would say, like a teenager running

881
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,039
back and forth, jumping up and
down like whatever. And then the last

882
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:54,960
two weeks of her life, she
just shoot went down super fast, to

883
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,159
the point where you know, she
was like barely able to walk at that

884
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:00,280
point. But that it was real
quick. It was like in two weeks.

885
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:03,800
So we brought it to the vet. As a matter of fact,

886
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:09,679
the first time soon after this happened, because she was taking all this medication.

887
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,239
She was taken viagrass, she was
taken deretics, and we were saying,

888
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,639
you know, wow, now that
she's healthy, you know, we

889
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:17,279
don't know whether to give this medicine. So we brought it to the vet

890
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,800
and we told to check her out, you know, and he checked her

891
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,680
out, and he says, what
the hell happened, you know, and

892
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,800
we said, well, we don't
know. She just woke up like that

893
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,520
way. You know. I never
heard of giving a dog viagra. Oh,

894
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,640
you ask a vet and they will
tell you that they do prescribe viagra

895
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,359
for dogs that their heart is not
functioning properly. Well, I think that

896
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:44,439
was the original genesis of viagra,
was for heart medicine or something. I

897
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,520
believe. Yeah, But my understanding
is that it stimulates blood flow movement throughout

898
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,600
your body and the heart. It
gets the heart working, you know.

899
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:57,039
And she had a very very bad
heart and she was taking the diretics to

900
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,920
flush the water in her heart and
I think in her lungs as well.

901
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,680
So you know, she was very, very sick dog. But he checked

902
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,000
her out, did a blood test
on her and says she's completely healthy.

903
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:12,119
As a matter of fact, she's
like, you know, when she was

904
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:14,960
many many years ago. You know, what the hell happened? You know,

905
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,760
that is bizarre. And so we
did tell him the truth like a

906
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,119
year later. Okay, we did
tell him the truth because he was a

907
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:24,640
friend of ours, and it was
only like a year and a half later

908
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,079
that we started talking about this,
you know, publicly. Um, and

909
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,000
he and we did tell him,
and he basically thought that, you know,

910
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,279
we were nuts. You know,
he'd like changed the subject and things

911
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,279
of that sort. But my daughter
was in there because his daughter and my

912
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:40,039
daughter attended same elementary school and they
were in the same class, you know.

913
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,399
So um, you know, he
did verify from my wife, all

914
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,600
the facts. He did verify from
my daughter. Um. So it's it's

915
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,279
like, you know, he just
didn't know how to handle it. You

916
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:53,079
know, when you hear about this
for the first time, you know,

917
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,920
is the entire family crazy? Yeah, you know, I understand that.

918
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,720
I mean, that's that's pretty typical. Can you provide will shift gears a

919
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,520
little bit? Can you provide an
overview of the free experience or research project

920
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:12,119
in general? Okay? Based basically
what happened was that, um as you

921
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:15,880
know, I have this academic background. Okay, when I had this experience,

922
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,680
I did what it's called an academic
literature review, So I looked at

923
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:24,760
the publishings of professors of academics.
I totally ignored, you know, the

924
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:30,479
works of non academic or information that
was recovered through hypnotic regression, because hypnotic

925
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:36,239
aggression is very controversial and it's not
fully recognized and it's not something that academics

926
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:41,760
rely upon. And so what I
found out was that almost nothing was published

927
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,279
about this quantitatively, Okay, through
quantitative data. I mean you could go

928
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:48,399
on thousand, you know, one
hundred people going to your office and for

929
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,800
you to write a book about those
hundred people, but that's not a scientific,

930
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:57,239
quantitative study that can really tell you
what's going on throughout you know,

931
01:10:57,359 --> 01:11:01,520
society, and so I did a
literature review and what I found out was

932
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,439
that the very last study in this
field was the study that was done by

933
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:11,720
our very own Kathleen Martin and deniset
Owner and deniset Owner yeah, who's also

934
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,560
a member of Free and has been
working with us for two and a half

935
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:21,039
years. And basically that study only
had fifty individuals that I've had abductions,

936
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:26,960
okay, and there was only forty
five questions. Now, this is not

937
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,760
going to cut the cake. You
know, you need to focus not only

938
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,399
on abductions. You need to focus
on the individuals that are having all types

939
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:43,000
of UFO related contact experiences. Because
all of our researchers fully understand that abduction

940
01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:47,039
is just a small abductees, it's
just a small component of individuals that are

941
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:51,479
seeing UFOs and that have had ET
contact. And as a matter of fact,

942
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,399
our research study, I can't not
give you the actual percentages and the

943
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:02,319
numbers, but our research study confirms
that hypothesis that every member of our group

944
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:08,920
said that abduction is just one smaller
component of the overall people that are that

945
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,279
are having that are seeing UFOs and
are having contact. So anyway, I

946
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:15,319
said, well, we almost know
nothing about this because all the studies have

947
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:25,720
been on abductees. So what what
differentiates our study with the previous studies that

948
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,560
I've been done in the past.
One is the sample pool. As I

949
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,920
said earlier, you know, Kathleen's
study had fifty abductees LEO sample pool,

950
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:41,319
and his studies were very small.
There was another professor, professor u as

951
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:46,359
a French name, Robert le Lourev
who published this study back in twenty ten

952
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:54,039
titled the OMEGA three Participants Summary Project, and it only had seventy one individuals

953
01:12:54,079 --> 01:12:58,560
and it was a very few number
of questions in a very very limited area

954
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,479
and um. And then there was
a report that was done by Robert Bullard,

955
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,960
but again he took his data not
on quantitative surveys that he undertook.

956
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,039
He took quantitative surveys that were done
by Koufos of UFO reports and some of

957
01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:19,960
the experiences that people had mainly abduction
type of experiences. So basically, I'm

958
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:28,800
fair to say that we almost know
nothing about the overall UFO related each contact

959
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,600
phenomenon. Can I interrupt you just
for a second. I do want to

960
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,760
ask for a couple of sample questions
in that one of them I just want

961
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,520
to know is because it's a topic
that comes up quite often, and we

962
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:44,880
had Nick Redford on recently, and
that is do you ask about their blood

963
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,720
type? Yes, we asked it, and have you can you reveal anything

964
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,079
about this study or do we have
to wait till December first? Well you

965
01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:58,000
have to wait till December first.
But the blood typ is not what what

966
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,119
most of the people think it is, okay, because there's that's there's a

967
01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:04,640
lot of talk about RH negative.
Well, what it is is that Joe

968
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:11,399
Montaldo did a study uh of individuals
that um that we're targeted with RH negative.

969
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,680
Okay, we still need to do
a full statistical analysis, like for

970
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,399
example, there might be a difference
between the people that are actually abducted okay,

971
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:25,920
and what is there are RH negative
factor and the people that I've had

972
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:29,600
you know, ET's visit them,
but have no idea that they've ever been

973
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:35,199
abducted, Okay, and you know
and obviously they've had you experiences, So

974
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:39,880
it might be a difference between those
two groups. But that only comes later

975
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:45,840
on after December first, when we
start doing statistical analysis and come and comparing

976
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,600
different groups. You know, how
did this group answer that question, how

977
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,680
did this other group answer that question? So that's why I'm saying what we're

978
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:57,680
doing is a very, very sophisticated
a study. The preliminary findings, you

979
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,359
know, not the statistical cross comparisons, but the preliminary findings will be publicly

980
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:05,840
reviewed, but individuals each to understand
that the actual, the real juicy stuff,

981
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:12,159
the cross comparions and stuff, will
not be done until several months later.

982
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,680
I thought that was really interesting with
Denise and Kathleen Martin did their study

983
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:23,840
just to hear the commonalities between you
abductees, no matter where they are from.

984
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:27,039
But one of the questions I have
for you, you know, you

985
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:31,159
reached out and all these different venues
to all these people to take the survey.

986
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,640
Does anyone vet any of these people? Or is it just is it

987
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,840
like free flowing. What we're going
to be doing is we're going to be

988
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,119
doing hundreds of interviews. I see, We're going to be getting these individuals.

989
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:48,960
And again, another difference between our
study and the previous studies was that

990
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,439
the previous studies took abductees. Again, because all the previous studies were on

991
01:15:54,479 --> 01:16:00,279
abductees that had experiences through hypnotic regression. We did not scept that. We

992
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:08,680
only asked for experiences based upon conscious
explicit memory. That's it. No lucid

993
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,880
dreams, no mystical meditation, journeys
and things like that. Even though lucid

994
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:19,600
dreams and mystical meditation and hypnotic regressions
is valuable information to be able to study

995
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:25,159
this phenomenon. That component we're going
to be asking when we do the interviews.

996
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:33,760
But the surveys were just based on
consciousness explicit memory. Well, now

997
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:42,960
that we're talking about this, I'm
thinking of someone like say the Alagash experiencers

998
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,920
on everyone remembered it ten years later. They only remembered through well, tidbits

999
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:53,439
were coming back to them, but
they were having all this through regression,

1000
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,720
all of them separately, and they
all came up with, you know,

1001
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,520
the same story separately. But you're
you're not interested so much and as far

1002
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:10,079
as people taking a survey in that
type of situation, but you are interested

1003
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:13,159
as far as interviewing them. Is
that what I'm getting? Well, the

1004
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:17,840
surveys again, there's two different focuses
here for the survey. If you just

1005
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:25,239
ask any which way question about hypnotic
regression, or lucid dreams or mystical meditation.

1006
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,840
You could have your next door neighbor
who took a Dolorer's cannon class for

1007
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:34,880
three hours that does pass life regressions
to do a hypnotic regression session on them,

1008
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:41,600
okay. Or you could have someone
who totally sees these entities as pure

1009
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,920
angelic, will not even touch anything, anyone that has had any type of

1010
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,119
negative experiences, and someone who has
no idea what the hell they're doing coaching

1011
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:56,000
and guiding the questions, right,
That's always been a concern. You know,

1012
01:17:56,119 --> 01:18:00,800
most we have a sort of a
mutual friend. I don't know how

1013
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,640
well you know her, but she
is just getting into the field, and

1014
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,119
you know that. Um as far
as leading, they're very careful to make

1015
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,079
sure that they're not leading people.
But I can definitely see how that would

1016
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:16,119
Yeah, that could be a factor. So what's going to happen to answer

1017
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,640
your question, is that for the
surveys, knowing that we would be fully

1018
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:26,800
attacked if we allowed hypnotic regression in
the quantitative survey, okay, But for

1019
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,520
the interviews, we're going to be
you know, one on one, we're

1020
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,439
gonna be recording these mts and we're
going to be going experienced by experience.

1021
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:40,359
By experience, they're gonna be asking
was that hypnotic regression? Was it conscious

1022
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:44,680
explicit memory? Was it illusion?
You know, to clarify each detailed experience,

1023
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,359
and again to have that as part
of the interview, which is part

1024
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:54,760
of the experience or phenomenon. For
example, if if doctor John mac you

1025
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:59,920
know, did or Kathleen Martin did
a regression, you know, we know

1026
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:02,239
it's going to be done properly,
incorrectly because they've had years of training,

1027
01:19:02,359 --> 01:19:05,239
they went to professional schools for all
of this, that sort of thing.

1028
01:19:05,239 --> 01:19:09,359
They're trained not to be biased,
that sort of thing. But we cannot

1029
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:13,399
control for every you know, Mickey
mouse person out in the streets that's doing

1030
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,199
these hypnotic regressions. Like I said, someone that's had a three hour Dolores

1031
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:19,199
Canon course. And I'm not knocking
her, because I took that course myself

1032
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,199
and I found it, you know, very interesting and very helpful for me.

1033
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,199
But I'm not I can't go out
now and do hypnotic regressions, you

1034
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:30,920
know what I'm saying. Sure so, but we are going to be incorporating

1035
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,000
that for the interviews. I say, yeah, Okay, well, I

1036
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:41,359
understand that certainly. And just again, if you're listening live, you can

1037
01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:45,880
either skype at Marty Willis or you
can call in at six oh three nine

1038
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:53,279
sixty seven four h three. Oh
And when I was going to say,

1039
01:19:53,279 --> 01:19:57,560
Marty Is that I still have a
couple of basic differences between our study and

1040
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,560
other studies. But we could continue
after you ask a question. Okay,

1041
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,159
well, I think I kind of
lost my place here, and what I

1042
01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:08,600
was going to ask you was related
to what you were just talking about.

1043
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:15,079
So we were talking about hypnotic regression. Was that it? Yeah, yeah,

1044
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:18,640
but go ahead and go ahead and
continue. I apologize now, it's

1045
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,399
me. It's me. I'm trying
to look at the chat room and all

1046
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,640
kinds of things all the same time, so I can easily mix aspect that

1047
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,319
differentiates our study with other studies.
Like I told you, we already have

1048
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:34,119
two thousand and five hundred individuals.
Now these are in three different languages,

1049
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:40,800
Okay, in English, we have
had for Phase one one over one thousand

1050
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,159
and eight. Well, or now
it's almost one thousand, nine hundred,

1051
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:47,840
one thousand, nine hundred individuals that
have taken our Phase one study and Phase

1052
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,800
one is about one hundred and fifty
questions. Okay, We've had more now

1053
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,319
more than one thousand, one hundred
individuals that I've taken our phase to study.

1054
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,439
Now the Phase two studies or you
know, the bigger experiences people that

1055
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,439
I've had, lots of diversity of
types of experiences. So again it's one

1056
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,680
thousand, two hundred people just in
English, okay, and Phase two is

1057
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:15,560
comprised of four hundred and fifty questions. So the difference in terms of the

1058
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,720
number of questions, We've got six
hundred questions. And you know, the

1059
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,359
last major study that was done on
this, and again it was just on

1060
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:27,800
abductees, was forty five questions.
So again there's a huge difference in terms

1061
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,399
of the type of questions that we're
asked. And then we are expecting to

1062
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,520
do later on Phase three and Phase
four survey down the road, so it's

1063
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:41,840
going to be tons of questions down
the road. So the other aspect that

1064
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,439
I talked about is the languages in
we have Spanish and in French in Spanish.

1065
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,920
So far, we've had Phase one
and we've had over three hundred and

1066
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:54,560
fifty individuals that have answered Phase one. Phase two is going to be launched

1067
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,439
this week Okay, by the end
of this weekend it should be launched Phase

1068
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,880
two, so we should be able
to get a very large sample pool for

1069
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:08,680
for Spanish individuals and for French.
I don't know what's going on with the

1070
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,920
French individuals, but we've only had
twenty five individuals now, no close to

1071
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,880
thirty individuals that have responded to our
Phase one French survey. You know,

1072
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,680
I'm going to be talking in two
weeks, there's going to be a prerecorded

1073
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:28,920
I'm gonna be speaking with Klass Vaughan
from Sweden and Sweden and he was telling

1074
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,640
me, he, you know,
he's really involved. That's his everyday job

1075
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:39,239
is UFOs and he only knows of
like two abductions, so it is kind

1076
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:43,359
of strange. It's almost spotty around
the world. And the question I had

1077
01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:45,840
for you that I couldn't remember was
that not a question, it was a

1078
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,960
statement, and that is This weekend, Kathleen Martin was giving a few sample

1079
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:58,520
commonalities of their research that they did, and she said that sixty six percent

1080
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:06,039
of the abductions were conscious conscious recall, yes, which I think is absolutely

1081
01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:11,840
fascinating because you think of people being
abducted in their sleep, and you think

1082
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,039
of people talking about sleep paralysis and
all that. You know, the common

1083
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:19,239
ways that you hear people trying to
explain to the vast majority not only of

1084
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:26,640
abductees, but of individuals that have
had quote unquote ET contact experiences. And

1085
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,079
again we're talking about UFO related ET
CONTA experiences. People that have seen UFOs

1086
01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:33,000
and have had ET contact. I
won't give a number, but the vast

1087
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,079
majority have been conscious. Can I
go back to when you were saying you're

1088
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:40,359
in a traffic jam. Yeah,
you're in a traffic jam, and then

1089
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:44,600
you had this experience. Did you
just wake up in the middle of the

1090
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,239
traffic jam? I mean, what
happened? Well, again, one of

1091
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:51,720
the issues that we ask in our
questions is this topic of missing time,

1092
01:23:53,439 --> 01:24:01,439
which is we're just experiencers and researchers
are just starting to understand this. And

1093
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,159
I know that Joe Montaldo has spoken
on his radio show about that extensively,

1094
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:13,079
But every researcher in our group knows
about missing time because they've spoken with so

1095
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:17,640
many experiencers. Like in my case, my wife thought that I never left

1096
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,920
to go upstairs, like I was
directly behind her the entire time. But

1097
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:27,920
yet indeed, I was gone anywhere
from fifteen minutes to fifteen minutes to a

1098
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,359
half an hour, maybe more,
because we really didn't ye look at our

1099
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:35,439
clock. It was Sunday morning at
six o'clock, you know, and it

1100
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,960
was such a crazy day. I
don't think we looked at our clocks.

1101
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:45,399
Okay, but missing time is very, very common now, Rudy explained to

1102
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,760
me physicists, most physicists, first
of all, they understand this concept of

1103
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:54,880
a multidimensional reality. Twenty years ago, most physicists did not accept it.

1104
01:24:55,239 --> 01:25:00,079
Okay, but now you know Mitchukaku, doctor Green from Colombia. Most so,

1105
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:05,119
the major physicists that are out there
that are talking to the public acknowledge

1106
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:11,560
that they have a hard time believing
in the multidimensional world reality of our universe

1107
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:17,199
of universes. But now they're begrudgingly
forcing to accept it. So Rudy said

1108
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:23,960
that in fact, we live in
a multiverse, that he's an adherence to

1109
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,560
Edgar's quantum hologram theory of consciousness and
physics, which deals with a multiverse reality,

1110
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,720
and that in fact time does not
exist, just like most physicists,

1111
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:42,239
except that the concept of what we
understand as time does not exist. Most

1112
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:49,000
of the people in our group also
hypothesize that these entities are actually multidimensional entities

1113
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:55,920
for many, many different reasons.
I will go into those details now with

1114
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:00,119
the hypothesis that are multidimensional entities.
And now that most physics accept the fact

1115
01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:05,479
that we do live in a multiverse, okay, is it? And that

1116
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:11,000
most physicists do not accept the concept
of time as we know what it is.

1117
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:15,279
And that's starting with Einstein in in
terms of his concept of relativity and

1118
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,479
time. Isn't it not too much
of a stretch to think that these ets

1119
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:26,439
can take you and put you back
in time or maybe in the future in

1120
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,279
time. So in other words,
when you're in your car, you do

1121
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:33,079
you think you came back about the
same time you're taking that That's exactly what

1122
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:38,079
I'm getting at, Okay, that
that you could be put back and you

1123
01:26:38,119 --> 01:26:43,479
don't even realize what went on.
Um some experiencers have I think was Betty

1124
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,880
Andreasen in one of her books,
mentioned that she was actually put back,

1125
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:53,720
like a minute before before these ets
came on. She actually saw in the

1126
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,680
living room her husband and her and
her daughter something along those lines that she

1127
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,079
was sort of like an ethereal type
of person that hadn't fully materialized, materialized

1128
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:08,479
back into reality and she was seeing
what was taking place back in time before

1129
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:13,199
the et came like a couple of
minutes before. And numerous experiencers have stated

1130
01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:15,720
that, you know, it's funny, this has a parallel a little bit,

1131
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,920
and you were talking about it in
this wheel experience you had. It

1132
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:24,560
has a little bit of a parallel
to some of the near depth experiences.

1133
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,800
I want to go way off topic
here about it's not off topic, is

1134
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,600
right on topic. We have again
we asked that question about near death experiences.

1135
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:40,399
We also ask a whole series of
questions whether these ets are associated with

1136
01:27:41,319 --> 01:27:44,600
the afterlife, you know, with
the spirit world. And we asked that

1137
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,960
question many many different ways. Let
me just tell you that based upon our

1138
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:56,039
findings, Free formed a separate subcommittee
to further explore this silly issue that you

1139
01:27:56,119 --> 01:28:02,039
brought forth and near death experiences verily, very prominently fictured. Wow. And

1140
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:05,680
again I can't go into the details
of the percentages, but remember I told

1141
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,039
you in one of that is I
said that the results of our study is

1142
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:14,680
going to rock the field of upology
and the field of the paranormal. Yes,

1143
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,560
I remember that. And also there
is one little I do want to

1144
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,399
bring something up now that you just
said. That is that there's a little

1145
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:26,800
bit of conflicting dates. I believe
on your website it says January first,

1146
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,399
twenty sixteen. You're coming out with
this. You mentioned on the show just

1147
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:36,359
a few minutes ago that it was
December first, and it was eventually originally

1148
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:42,439
going to be launched in September.
Yeah, let me let me clarify that.

1149
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,159
Okay, there's nothing there about January
first, but let me clarify the

1150
01:28:47,239 --> 01:28:51,479
dates. Our research committee several weeks
ago had made a decision. Now,

1151
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:56,359
everyone, our research committee is every
one of our board of directors that I

1152
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,199
previously mentioned to you, except doctor
Rishields and doctor Ricor Mitch because they are

1153
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:05,560
not researchers in this field. Everyone
else's okay, so, but they do,

1154
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,880
you know, help to run this
show and free and give advice on

1155
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,479
everything else, including our research study. But these are not people like like

1156
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,359
Kathleen Martin and Marry Rodwell, Leo
Sprinkle, John Klemo, etc. Etc.

1157
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,960
That I've been doing this for,
you know, working with experiences for

1158
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,159
thirty forty years in a research capacity. So anyway, they decided at that

1159
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:33,239
meeting that as of December first,
that we would close the English language surveys

1160
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:41,920
and to release the English data to
the public at that time. And so

1161
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:45,079
subsequently, we had our first Board
of directors meeting last Thursday, a week

1162
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:51,960
ago, you know whatever, six
days ago, and at that time we

1163
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:59,520
discussed the fact that it might taint
the Spanish surveys and the French surveys that

1164
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,039
they still have to do their Phase
two surveys. So it was decided at

1165
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:11,199
that meeting UH to not release the
data, UH any data on September first,

1166
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:15,439
but to release the data December first, So we would keep all the

1167
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,920
surveys open for another three months and
at that point we would go, you

1168
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:24,960
know, on radio shows publicly discuss
our preliminary data, that sort of thing.

1169
01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:30,640
Now the interviews most probably are going
to start after December first, um

1170
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,239
um, So December first is really
the date for releasing everything. Okay,

1171
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:42,800
because see I was on a website
which was very similar, it's experiencer dot

1172
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,880
ceo, and that that I don't
that that no one posts on that website

1173
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,800
for um goodness, for over a
year and a half, Okay, that's

1174
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,840
why the dates are off. Okay, no, no, it's a non

1175
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,880
functional website everyone. We're building our
website right now as we speak. We

1176
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,960
have like a one page temporary site
that list a lot of links, but

1177
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:08,479
that site is experience or dot org. I see. Huh. Now,

1178
01:31:09,319 --> 01:31:13,079
we talked earlier, and you gave
me a couple of ideas of some questions

1179
01:31:13,079 --> 01:31:15,439
that would be helpful, and so
I don't want to ask any that you

1180
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:20,000
can't answer. And one of them
was how many individuals in your survey have

1181
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:24,199
actually seen a UFO? Can you
touch any of it? So you put

1182
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:28,159
it to you this way, Okay, it's the vast majority of people have

1183
01:31:28,279 --> 01:31:31,239
answered our survey. Sure, our
phase one survey. Now, had you

1184
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:35,479
seen before your experience in your living
room where you saw the plasma and all

1185
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,840
that, had you seen a UFO
or did you know nothing? Nothing?

1186
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:45,880
I had no conception at all about
UFOs, about et s, the paranormal.

1187
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,720
The only thing I could think of
is on on these cable shows,

1188
01:31:49,279 --> 01:31:53,239
you know, late at night,
you know there might be an Asian alien

1189
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:56,199
show or something like that. You
watch it for fifteen minutes and then you

1190
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:59,279
turn it off because you said yourself
as bullshit, you know, and you

1191
01:31:59,319 --> 01:32:02,960
go on to the next program.
So that that was my only understanding of

1192
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:06,359
this reality. Yeah, now you
said the word bullshit twice. I'm not

1193
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,279
sure that's okay. Wait did I
just say it? Whoops? I just

1194
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:13,960
said it too. That's okay,
it's not big it's not a big deal.

1195
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:19,159
Really apologize sensitive to that term.
That's all right. Anyone want to

1196
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:23,680
call in, you can call six
h three nine six seven four h three

1197
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:28,000
zero. You can ask a question
in the chat room. M Now,

1198
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,359
you talked about your dog and this
healing, this miraculous healing. The dog

1199
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:35,039
was like a teenager. Are there
people that I have heard this? And

1200
01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:41,760
when it comes to people claiming after
an abduction experience, now are you seeing

1201
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,159
any of that? Oh goodness,
you're asking all the relevant questions here.

1202
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:49,239
Let's put let's let's put it to
you this way. Once our researchers saw

1203
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:56,439
how people responded to that question,
then they decided to pursue it more extensively.

1204
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,199
Uh huh, Oh, that's all
you're gonna say. I cannot give

1205
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:04,720
you data percentages, you know.
All I'm just saying is that the people

1206
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:10,279
on our research team knew that that
has been happening. We actually have two

1207
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:16,640
members of our Board of directors that
can elaborate on that, but that's very

1208
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:21,239
specific to them, and no one
will as long as they publicly talk about

1209
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:24,840
it, no one will ever know
about that. But there are two members

1210
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:31,279
of our board that have had that
experience, okay, and plus people have

1211
01:33:31,359 --> 01:33:35,680
heard about it. The researchers have
heard about it over and over again through

1212
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:40,319
the work that they do. But
it's just not something that's studied, something

1213
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:43,760
that's not mentioned. There's no data
on it. No one has ever asked

1214
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,399
any questions on it because they're most
of the studies have been on abductees,

1215
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,279
you know, and that question has
never been asked. Okay, So we

1216
01:33:51,359 --> 01:33:55,800
did ask that question our study.
So for the first time we actually got

1217
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,039
real data. Wow. And let
me just tell you the responses that we

1218
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:03,880
got. Everybody, these eyeballs popped
out. Now. I want to get

1219
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,159
back to a question I asked you
in the last hour, and that is

1220
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,000
the word that I'm hearing all the
time, and I heard it many times

1221
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,119
this weekend at the conference, and
that is the word download. I got

1222
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:18,039
a download. Grant Cameron had a
download. He was on recently everyone's talking

1223
01:34:18,039 --> 01:34:23,760
about downloads, And am I wrong
to say that? I haven't heard people

1224
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,199
talk about this like a year ago, and all of a sudden, everybody's

1225
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:29,920
talking about it. Well, let
me tell you, you know, my

1226
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,199
own experience. When I started talking
about it, I called it an ET

1227
01:34:33,359 --> 01:34:38,039
telegram. I had no idea what
a download was, you know, because

1228
01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,039
to me, it was a telegram
because it was super fast, it was

1229
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,840
instantaneous in my head. It's difficult
to describe, you know, because you're

1230
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:50,560
you're having this wheel here, but
the information is instantaneous. It's not like

1231
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,920
a voice. It's not like hey, Ray, you know, wake the

1232
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,199
hell up, let me tell you
something. Not pay attention, you know,

1233
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,640
number one, blah blah blah,
number two. No, it wasn't

1234
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,479
like that. It's like an instant
information going into your head. Okay,

1235
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:08,119
and um and and again. You
know, I'm not familiar with this terminology,

1236
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:12,159
at least I wasn't terminology. So
for the longest time, for a

1237
01:35:12,199 --> 01:35:15,159
year and a half, maybe two
years, I called it an ET telegram.

1238
01:35:15,119 --> 01:35:18,720
Then I heard other people mentioning the
word download, and I'm the only

1239
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,880
one that's mentioning ET telegram. They
don't know what the hell I'm talking about,

1240
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:27,079
you know, so then I changed
to download. Um, you know

1241
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:32,600
that's what a lot of experiencers h
and abductees, you know, because what

1242
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:39,520
they talk about it. And again
I don't want to give out statistics of

1243
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,239
numbers, uh percentages of people that
have had these quote unquote downloads. But

1244
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,119
um, if I told you that
it was a huge number, it's not

1245
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:53,920
something that's that's not known publicly known. You know, if you go to

1246
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,479
that conference, if you talk to
Kathleen, if you talk to the nice,

1247
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,479
if you talk to you know,
all the individuals in our group,

1248
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:04,079
they will tell you that it's a
it goes hand in hand with the ET

1249
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:09,279
contact phenomenon, and you a full
related ET contact phenomena. You know,

1250
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:12,560
you go to one of the cases, which I think is one of the

1251
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:17,840
most outstanding cases ever, and it's
those sixty two school children in Zimbabwe.

1252
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,960
Oh, I need to tell you
a story about that. Yeah, I'd

1253
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,640
like to. I'd like to talk
because talk about downloads. You know,

1254
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:28,720
they all talk afterwards about you know, seeing visions of you know, we

1255
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,279
better take care of the earth.
Yeah, go ahead, what do you

1256
01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:33,479
have on that? Oh? Yeah, yeah, No, nobody knows about

1257
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,680
this, Okay. My wife has
a friend of hers. Her son was

1258
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,880
a year ahead of my daughter in
school, and because she lived at a

1259
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,039
distance, she always hang out with
my wife before it was time to pick

1260
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:49,840
up her son. And then they
became very good friends. And then you

1261
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:56,239
know, they get together a lot, you know, for many social occasions.

1262
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,159
So one day she was in the
house and she overheard me speaking with

1263
01:37:00,199 --> 01:37:03,319
an experiencer, and she heard this
word ufo, ufo, you know,

1264
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,399
all over again. And there was
someone in Spanish that we were talking,

1265
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:11,960
okay, a Spanish speaking experiencer.
So then after I hung up, she

1266
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,920
goes, ray, I overheard you, you know, talking on your cell

1267
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,199
phone, and you were talking about
UFOs okay, and I think you even

1268
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:24,560
mentioned someone that I've seen a ufo? What do you know about UFOs?

1269
01:37:25,359 --> 01:37:28,479
So then you know, I told
her, okay, Now, we've never

1270
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,319
spoken about this my wife. You
know, my wife never speaks about this

1271
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:35,000
to anyone. You know, a
lot of our friends know about it,

1272
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,600
but just out to you know,
someone that's not an intimate, close friend.

1273
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:44,000
We don't talk about this. So
anyway, I started telling her about

1274
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,279
our experiences, which you never heard
of. My wife's and my daughter and

1275
01:37:46,359 --> 01:37:49,560
my experience. Then I started telling
her about my group that we're doing the

1276
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,840
free group, all the members in
our group, and then she says,

1277
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,359
oh my god, I've never mentioned
this to anyone else. She was a

1278
01:37:57,399 --> 01:38:01,239
school teacher in rural Columbia, and
she said it was like, um,

1279
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,880
similar to Zimbabwe, which is rural, and it had little kids, you

1280
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:11,319
know, like pre kindergarten kids all
the way up to I think the eighth

1281
01:38:11,319 --> 01:38:15,560
grade. The kids were all of
a sudden a ship landed on their property

1282
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:21,000
at a distance, and these beings
came out, three beings wow, tall,

1283
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:26,880
small beings. And then she even
described it what it looked like.

1284
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,279
And I said, well, how
do you know what they look like?

1285
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:30,159
She said, well, the principle
of the school and some of the other

1286
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:34,560
teachers and I in my own class
had my kids to do the drawings.

1287
01:38:35,239 --> 01:38:41,039
Okay, And this case is not
you don't hear about this case. Probably

1288
01:38:41,079 --> 01:38:44,359
no one talks about it. Joe
Hell's going to talk about it, you

1289
01:38:44,399 --> 01:38:46,159
know, if you're this lady,
you're going to talk about it. If

1290
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,039
you one of the teachers there,
you're going to talk about it. Of

1291
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:53,680
course not you know, well,
it seems. It seems like if there's

1292
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,840
enough people that witnessed something like this. She came to my house today,

1293
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,359
Martin, and I told her,
I'm going to get you on video,

1294
01:39:01,399 --> 01:39:05,119
even if you have to turn your
back, you know, for you to

1295
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:10,079
say in Spanish, which is her
native language, and for us to translate

1296
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,319
it later. And she said,
yes, I'll do it, you know,

1297
01:39:13,239 --> 01:39:15,520
and then we could get the full
story. And she even mentioned,

1298
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,720
you know, more or less the
date, and it was like either a

1299
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:25,520
year or before after the John Mac
incident. I forgot exactly, but in

1300
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,680
the video she could tell it.
She knows the city. I said,

1301
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:30,079
do you have any contact with any
of those teatures? She said, well,

1302
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:34,239
maybe one that I've I kept in
contact with over the years, but

1303
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:38,520
I haven't spoken with this person in
many many years. And I said,

1304
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,279
do you know any of the children, and she says, no, you

1305
01:39:41,319 --> 01:39:45,119
know, because I haven't lived in
that city in many many years. So

1306
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:46,800
then you know what I did.
I went straight to the YouTube and I

1307
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:53,319
showed her John Mac and this woman's
eyeballs popped out. Okay, she saw

1308
01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:56,159
the drawings that the kid did.
She says, oh my god, it's

1309
01:39:56,199 --> 01:39:59,680
almost the exact drawings that these kids
drew. And that's that was when I

1310
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,359
answered about the drawings, you know, because she said that they actually invited

1311
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,960
the parents of the kids to come
in and that's when they had these discussions.

1312
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,880
Wow, you know. Um uh, she discussed it in her room,

1313
01:40:12,039 --> 01:40:15,920
you know. But she described it
that her kids in her class were

1314
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,840
the toddlers, the kids that were
you know, four years old, five

1315
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:24,239
years old, and the kid the
kindergarten kids, you know, but that

1316
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:28,439
almost all the kids were out in
recess, so even the older kids saw

1317
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,560
it. It's almost identical. Now
here's another thing in Australia. I asked

1318
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,439
Mary Rodwell and some of our folks
in Australia. They said that the same

1319
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:42,119
incident happened in Australia where our craft
landed. These Grays came out. I

1320
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:45,520
think it was Grays. I don't
want to misspeak here, but goodness,

1321
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,920
I think it was in the mid
seventies two. Maybe that's what it was.

1322
01:40:50,079 --> 01:40:53,199
You probably know more about it than
I do. Huh. Well,

1323
01:40:53,239 --> 01:40:56,279
we had we had Shane I'm trying
to think of his last name. That

1324
01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:59,800
it's the main lead researcher on that. Oh yeah, that it was very

1325
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,279
similar. There's a lot of similarities
to that, except I don't believe they

1326
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:06,359
saw beings, but I'm not positive. I can't say that for sure.

1327
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,279
You know. All I know is
that I spoke with a couple of folks.

1328
01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:14,199
They said that that a craft did
appear. I think it actually landed,

1329
01:41:14,399 --> 01:41:15,760
yes, and that it was seen
by the school kids. In terms

1330
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:19,680
of details, I don't remember.
But this lady, um, you know,

1331
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,840
she was here for like maybe you
know, an hour and a half

1332
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:26,119
speaking with my wife, and we
had a quick chat, and I like,

1333
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:29,479
you know, um, you know, told her, like, you

1334
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,079
know, jokingly, I said,
look, we got to schedule this day,

1335
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,600
you know, and even if you
got to turn your back, you

1336
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,079
know, we'll do it. It
just says sure, you know. Um,

1337
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:40,680
so I just I've just been so
busy, but definitely it's I need

1338
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,840
to do that. Yeah. Does
she speak English as well? Very broken

1339
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,800
in English. That's too bad.
I would love to have someone like that,

1340
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,359
But again, you know, she's
the type that she doesn't, you

1341
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:53,800
know, want to come out publicly
and open you know. Yeah, right,

1342
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,880
But I've had one person on here
so far in one hundred and sixty

1343
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,920
six shows. That was anonymous one
else. You know, I mean,

1344
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,199
I'm open to doing something like that
because I think I had story needs to

1345
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:08,199
come out. I really like,
I'm definitely gonna do it. She's let

1346
01:42:08,279 --> 01:42:12,560
me describe her. I would say
she's in her early fifties. Um,

1347
01:42:13,079 --> 01:42:17,560
she's a single parent that lives with
her mother. Has her son is I

1348
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,640
think he's like fourteen years old now, you know, and they're they're friends

1349
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:25,760
of the family now. And it's
like out of the blue. And I

1350
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:27,920
said, you know, have you
ever had any interest in you have always

1351
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,479
any teas and stuff like that,
And she says, no, But I

1352
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,319
am, you know, a spiritual
person. You know. She was asking

1353
01:42:34,359 --> 01:42:39,840
me questions about the Cabala and stuff
like that because I believe she is Jewish,

1354
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,479
and she was asking me, you
know, some questions about it.

1355
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,279
I told her, you know,
I had read Stump some stuff about it,

1356
01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:47,279
but I don't know too much.
And she says, she's just starting

1357
01:42:47,319 --> 01:42:50,880
to get into it to try to
learn it. But you know, she

1358
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:55,079
is a you know, a spiritual
person, believes in God. But she's

1359
01:42:55,119 --> 01:43:00,359
someone that doesn't want any of this, you know publicized. M to skip

1360
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:01,840
around a little bit because we have
a question up on the message board,

1361
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:06,239
and that's going all the way back
to where your wife and the dog were

1362
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:12,640
taken. You know the first did
you think to look for any type of

1363
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,920
trace evidence? I mean, did
that even cross your mind? Well,

1364
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:21,239
we looked at the wall and I
did call Moufon. Moufon came after we

1365
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:27,720
had our third major experience up a
series of experiences. The first series was

1366
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,880
inside our house. The second one
was my wife having you know, the

1367
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:36,000
experiences outside the house with that craft
and in Mexico. So outside the house

1368
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,680
it was a huge gigantic craft that
she saw. And so after the experience

1369
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,199
that I had with my daughter and
these three witnesses, I said, man,

1370
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:47,600
I gotta call Moufon because I was
already was a Moufon member at that

1371
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:53,920
time, because I could have sworn
that thousands of people had seen this thing,

1372
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,319
because it to me, it seemed
like it went straight back. We

1373
01:43:57,399 --> 01:44:00,039
have a highway like two or three
blocks away, Okay, So I could

1374
01:44:00,039 --> 01:44:04,319
have put my last dollar that the
end of that craft was above that highway.

1375
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:10,560
So I called Moufan. They had
this lady Mary Margaret zimmer Uh that

1376
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,760
that came on board. She used
to be the assistant director for Florida Moufon

1377
01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:17,239
and she had worked with experiences for
many, many years, I learned later

1378
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:21,479
on. So she came and she
did a report. Um. I don't

1379
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:27,239
believe she talked with my daughter.
I'm not quite sure. UM. And

1380
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:30,640
she didn't even interview the other three
witnesses UM to the event, She says,

1381
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,640
I think mainly spoke with my wife
and I, UM and UM.

1382
01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:41,319
And then what happened was a Hanger
One did a show on my Moufon report

1383
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,479
and it was totally fabrications. Oh, you know, I have to I

1384
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,680
have to say. I hope,
I don't. I don't hope. I

1385
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:54,279
don't upset anyone out there. I've
actually been watching Hanger One on YouTube.

1386
01:44:54,279 --> 01:44:59,680
There's some shows and I like it. But I also want to say something

1387
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,920
about that show, and that is
they present things as if they're fact.

1388
01:45:03,399 --> 01:45:08,880
Uh it was it was. It
was. It was lies that they stated.

1389
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:12,640
For example, they had my wife
quoting like it was that she was

1390
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:18,119
scared that we were uh this foreign
you know, evil or nasty entity entered

1391
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:20,600
into a house and stuff. No, my wife sees them and angels.

1392
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:25,960
They had this craft going through the
wall and my wife seeing it. My

1393
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,359
wife never saw that first craft that
she saw going through the wall because she

1394
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,840
was gone, she was taken.
Okay, they had me down there with

1395
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,319
her seeing the craft going through the
wall. That's a complete fabrication. Um.

1396
01:45:36,399 --> 01:45:41,880
They didn't even uh write down what
I saw that plasma being. They

1397
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,720
had nothing about the dog being returned
miraculously healed. They had nothing about seems

1398
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,359
like that would be an exciting part
of the story. Oh no, No,

1399
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:53,960
they didn't even have the proper craft
that my wife saw. They had

1400
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:57,399
the picture that I drew that my
wife drew, and I drew about the

1401
01:45:57,399 --> 01:46:00,640
craft that I saw the plasma being. They had it all on the Hangar

1402
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,000
one, but they didn't even discuss
it. And then they had it as

1403
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,359
a triangle craft. They had They
must have paid a good money of this

1404
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:12,359
graphic artist doing a triangle craft.
My wife never described the triangle craft.

1405
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:17,119
She described a very very three hundred
foot long cylinder type of craft with colors

1406
01:46:17,159 --> 01:46:20,000
at the edges. You know,
that was not what was drawn in this

1407
01:46:20,359 --> 01:46:26,159
move on Hangar one. They didn't
even include the drawings that we had done

1408
01:46:26,399 --> 01:46:30,119
with five witnesses of that huge craft
that we saw outside our house. They

1409
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:33,039
didn't even discussed that he mentioned it. Um, so it was a total

1410
01:46:33,079 --> 01:46:38,239
fabrication and distortion. Did I just
hear the ghost of the Jack Russell barking?

1411
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:42,880
Oh no, that's how we have
a poodle? Now Jack Russell died?

1412
01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:48,279
That was that was mean of me. I'm sorry, but she had

1413
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:50,399
a good quality of life for that
last year that she lived. No,

1414
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:55,439
that's that is really an amazing story. UM. Can you throw out we

1415
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:59,479
have all I don't know, maybe
about ten minutes or so, and can

1416
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,760
you throw out a couple of sample
questions? Is that something you can find

1417
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:06,039
quickly? Short? Let me go
M to phase one? Just a couple

1418
01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:10,079
of sample questions. I won't give
you the answers to the details, but

1419
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it's basically, well, while you're
looking right now, okay, go ahead?

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01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:19,039
Then okay, have you seen an
intelligence and an intelligently control craft in

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01:47:19,079 --> 01:47:26,119
the sky or on the ground that
was not man made? Another question?

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01:47:26,199 --> 01:47:30,520
Did other witnesses also see the craft? M? Now, let me just

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01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,159
tell you if you see your craft, the majority have had witnesses. Okay,

1424
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:42,119
Now another question? Have you heard
telepathic messages? An internal voice in

1425
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:45,199
your head speaking to you? Um? And again we associate this with the

1426
01:47:45,239 --> 01:47:49,279
contact experience. Another question, Grant, This is a Grant Cameron's favorite question.

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01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:56,399
Do you believe that you possess information
about advanced technology, advanced physics,

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:03,239
or other scientific information that you've never
received? M Okay, now here's the

1429
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:08,600
link. Besides that, if you
talk to all these richer researchers, all

1430
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:15,039
of them will state that they have
had a good many of them. Again,

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01:48:15,079 --> 01:48:19,000
I can't give you numbers that have
actually gotten physics downloads, science downloads,

1432
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:24,119
things that these are non physicists,
people have no idea. These are

1433
01:48:24,119 --> 01:48:28,359
the hillbillies, you know, uneducated
folks that all of a sudden they're talking

1434
01:48:28,399 --> 01:48:31,880
about, you know, gravity and
this time exists and things like that sort

1435
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,800
of you know, this is really
something you know. And I mentioned earlier

1436
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:39,720
about the al Gash abductions. Yeah, and I'm trying to get and hopefully

1437
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,720
I'm going to get Jack Weener on. I had his brother, Jim,

1438
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:47,800
and Charlie faults on, which as
you know, would be three out of

1439
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:56,399
the four of them. But Jack
Weener had no math background at all.

1440
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,760
And the reason one of the reasons
I want to get him on is because

1441
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:05,800
he came so mathematically. Yeah,
deficients. Yeah, you know what,

1442
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:10,840
I'm trying to say that he I
think he actually did some work for NASA

1443
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,159
on stuff. Let me give you
a response to that question. That's another

1444
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:18,720
question that our researchers eyeballs pop out. Okay, how people answer to that

1445
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:23,319
question? And after December first I
can give you the results of that.

1446
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:27,560
But it's you know, it's seldomly
talked about, but yet we address it

1447
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,119
in our free questionnaire. Again,
these all questions. The first questionnaire another

1448
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:38,319
question, have you experienced out of
body experiences? Okay? Again eyeball popping

1449
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:45,359
questions? Can you see energy or
aoras around people? Okay? Have you

1450
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:49,319
had some kind of healing done on
you by these non human intelligent beings?

1451
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:56,039
Do you believe that you have observed
a non human intelligent entity? And then

1452
01:49:56,119 --> 01:50:00,119
we go into the descriptions of the
various entities that people have seen. We

1453
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:04,119
have categories for short, gray,
tall grade, hybrid, insectoid, reptilian,

1454
01:50:04,399 --> 01:50:10,359
human looking spirit form, small animal
type, large animal type, energy

1455
01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:14,840
being. Then we even describe how
can you describe your interactions with this being?

1456
01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:18,239
And we go into you know,
positive negative neutral, both positive negative,

1457
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:21,479
you know, et cetera, et
cetera. So, um, those

1458
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:27,439
is just a sample of some of
the questions. For example, how many

1459
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:31,520
times did they interact with this non
human intelligent being? And again it was

1460
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:35,560
eye popping hunt. How many times
people have had these interactions? The vast

1461
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:40,439
majority have been more than twenty,
you know, percent wise in terms of

1462
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:44,479
the grouping categories that we had.
Let me go into phase two. Some

1463
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,800
of the questions that phase two okay, um uh, do you ever recall

1464
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:54,399
being on an ET craft or a
ship? Have you ever been relocated to

1465
01:50:54,520 --> 01:51:00,840
another location? And that includes you
know, perceived abductions and being relocated but

1466
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,119
not perceiving to be abductions. So
we asked it in a much more broader

1467
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:10,600
way, Uh, did you ever
have an ET contact experience in a three

1468
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:15,960
D reality like here on Earth?
Have you ever had an near death experience?

1469
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:21,239
Okay, have you ever seen have
you ever seen small and less than

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01:51:21,319 --> 01:51:26,680
one foot in diameter colored orbs?
And if so, where did you see

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01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:30,399
them? And we had different categories
of where people might see them. We

1472
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:34,479
also had a question about orbs going
through through doors, through windows, through

1473
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:40,600
physical objects, you know. We
talked about the alien breeding program, We

1474
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:45,359
talked about implants, We talked about, how do you believe ets in general

1475
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:53,600
or Battom or eleven are evil?
Do the ets have a personality? Have

1476
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:58,760
any of these ET's been playful with
you? Okay? Do you believe that

1477
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,800
you have formed some type of an
agreement with these ets? Have you ever

1478
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,920
had a my lab? We had
We have like maybe ten my lab related

1479
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:13,479
questions. We have like maybe twenty
abduction related questions. We have various questions

1480
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,159
about, you know, breeding programs, about implants, a lot of questions

1481
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:21,399
about implants. We asked questions.
For example, let me give you a

1482
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:25,680
question here. Do you believe that
there is a connection between the ets and

1483
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:30,479
the paranormal? Do you believe that
there is a connection between the ets and

1484
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:35,840
the spirit world after death or heaven? Okay, let me see. Let

1485
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:41,199
me go into the last question here
because that's very very important here. How

1486
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:50,159
would you categorize your last few eat
extraterrestrial encounter experiences? Okay? And then

1487
01:52:50,199 --> 01:52:54,439
we had this choice, Okay,
this is the last few. We're not

1488
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:58,000
talking about the initial because we also
had a question about the initial initial and

1489
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:09,319
it was highly negative, slightly negative, neutral, slightly positive, and highly

1490
01:53:09,359 --> 01:53:16,119
positive. Again, we've had a
total of seven hundred and fourteen individuals that

1491
01:53:16,279 --> 01:53:20,319
answered that question. Wow, Hey, just to let you know, we

1492
01:53:20,399 --> 01:53:26,119
have someone in the chat room that
is lives right by Westfall. We were

1493
01:53:26,119 --> 01:53:31,800
talking earlier about the Australia incident.
Yes, and he just clarified that the

1494
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:35,479
most factual part of it is that
the craft landed in a wooden area near

1495
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:40,760
the school and a few, very
few kids followed it. There were no

1496
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:45,359
beings seen at that time. But
it's still it's still a really great case.

1497
01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:47,199
And I believe they put a monument
up for Yeah, I think there

1498
01:53:47,239 --> 01:53:49,239
was a monument. They gave me
a photo of money, but in my

1499
01:53:49,359 --> 01:53:54,279
case, there was a craft.
It was seen by tons of children.

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01:53:55,520 --> 01:54:00,039
The children were asked to make drawings
and independently speak to the individual school teachers

1501
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:04,000
and then as a group about their
experiences. Their parents were called in and

1502
01:54:04,039 --> 01:54:08,399
they spoke with their parents about these
experiences in front of them, right and

1503
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,600
um, so um, now we
only have we only have just a little

1504
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:16,159
bit over a minute here, yes, so um uh you're how are you

1505
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:17,920
going to get the word out?
That's what I want to know. How

1506
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:23,159
are you going to get the word
out about this? The report once December

1507
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:28,600
first rolls rolls along. Well,
we have again everyone, it's experiencer dot

1508
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,439
org, which is our website org
and we're going to be publicly releasing it

1509
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:36,760
to our website. UH that's soon
to be developed. We're going to be

1510
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:41,920
going on tons of radio shows to
give discussions like we've been having. You

1511
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,760
will get the data beforehand in pedia
files. And we have requested to speak

1512
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:50,399
at the International UFO Conference. We
have requested to speak at Contact in the

1513
01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:57,680
Desert and doctor edgar Mitchell did send
those formal requests to Alejandro Rojas and to

1514
01:54:58,359 --> 01:55:02,560
UM mister Andrew who coordinates Contact in
the Desert UM. And we would like

1515
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,159
to be able to be in divide
to be invited uh, not only to

1516
01:55:06,359 --> 01:55:13,119
UFO and paranormal related type of conferences, but also you know, to universities,

1517
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:19,520
uh, to psychological associations UM,
to NASA engineering you know associations,

1518
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:25,600
Uh you name it. Because uh, this is way beyond ufology. UH.

1519
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:30,279
Ufology is one little tiny uh you
know grouping here. What we're doing

1520
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:35,960
in our study goes way beyond ufology. It deals with the total reality of

1521
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:43,039
what's going on. And uh uh
with with this uh UFOs and and Contact

1522
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:45,079
experience, so it deals with the
whole world. All right, Well,

1523
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:47,560
thanks so much. I really appreciate
it. There's a lot of fun.

1524
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:51,399
Thank you so much, Martin once
again, Experiencer dot Org. Very good.

1525
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:55,600
Okay, everyone, So I'd like
to thank a few people for helping

1526
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:59,239
out with the show. We have
Keith Roland, he's the chief bottle washer

1527
01:55:59,359 --> 01:56:02,560
of the network here, I think
that's what he said he was for producing

1528
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:08,800
the audio part of it. Alejandro
Rojas for the news early on. I

1529
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:13,960
also want to thank our guests,
of course, Ray Hernandez and Peggy Shunning

1530
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:15,800
for managing the Facebook page. She's
been under the weather. Hopefully she'll be

1531
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:20,840
back soon. And music carry Lloyd
Whitehouse, Bruce, We're near. We'll

1532
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:28,560
be back next week, same time
with Mark o'cononell. Remember don't play any

1533
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,600
games or trying to support the show
for anymore because I have to figure all

1534
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:35,159
that out. So we'll be back
next week right here on the Dark Matter

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01:56:35,279 --> 01:57:04,960
Digital Network. Thanks a lot,
and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.