And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It
doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over
our heads. Classic vice also really standing into clearing. He turned over to
my father, held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and said,
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on with Alajandro. How are you. I'm doing well, my friend.
Good good. So you're gonna be on the beach coming up here again?
Yeah, of the beach. I'm addicted to the beach. Can you live
in the dos of it? Yeah? And I'm in the desert, but
luckily I'm not far from the beach. So San Diego is a short ride
from Phoenix, about four or so hours. So I love to ski daddle
it on out to the beach as much as possible. So we're actually going
to Del Mar. Got a condo out there for a few days, and
it's just delightful. Now, isn't there some type of road issue? Didn't
I hear something about there's some type of road closure in between? Am?
I think in Las Vegas? That's what I'm thinking of. I guess,
well, there was a road closure not too long ago. I forgot what
happened. I think part of the road washed out, or giant giant scorpion
ate it or something like that. I can't remember. But the path that
I'm taking skirts along the border with Mexico, and it is all free and
clear. It's kind of funny. Actually. A few years ago, the
sheriff out in Panell County and everybody knows Joe R. Pio, the sheriff
out here. They were saying that it was this area was overran by Mexican
cartels and stuff, and it completely untrue. They were totally lying for a
political and so it's actually a very safe and clear and quick route. Wow,
worries look for Donald Trump while you're driving through there. You never know,
never seen a giant scorpion. If I see Trump, that would be
horrifying. All right, So what's going on from the news this week?
The news? So, I want to talk UFO triangles, so triangular UFOs,
because we've got a lot of stories on those lately. In fact,
our UFO report that's going to be coming out on our YouTube page on Friday.
We're gonna show you some of these pictures and videos because I think they're
pretty cool. But yeah, I'm gonna go over some of the stories that
we've had. I think we covered one of those last week, but we've
gotten some more since so, and there's a progression to these stories. So
the first story is kind of an the second story is like a m The
third story, though, it's more of a whoam okay? Exciting? Huh?
You're ready for it. Yeah, so let's do the So okay.
This took place on August twenty second. It was about nine to fifty pm,
and there's this family that had some friends over in Pennsylvania and they were
having dinner. After they finished dinner, they went and hugged their friends goodbye.
But as they went outside they were leaving, you know, one of
them said, hey, what's that. So they looked over and they saw
these three lights in a triangular formation over the trees. They kept staring at
it, and they felt like it got larger and was coming towards them.
They said that the triangular lights were orange reddish, and they kept getting appeared
to get closer and closer, so they were getting real excited. They were
scrambling to try to take a video or a picture, but as you know
we've talked about before, it's difficult to get points of light at the night,
and their phones weren't really picked it up. So they watched it.
Then one of the lights on the bottom slowly faded out. A few seconds
later, another one faded out, and then a few seconds later the third
one faded out, and they said they stood there stunned in silence, kind
of staring at each other. Then they all said their goodbyes and went their
merry ways. Why has it that, eh, well, first being reddish
or orangish red flag there, that's what Chinese lanterns are like. And then
the fading out, because that's exactly what happens is you know, they all
fade out in the order that they were floated in the air. They just
kind of fade out one at a time. So it's a perfect description of
what Chinese lanterns would do. So that's why I'm a little bit skeptical of
this one. And you know, it's it's hard because lights at night,
you know, I've seen these things, maybe some of the listeners have as
well. I've got video. They look really weird, you know, they
look strange when you have these points of lights in the sky that aren't too
far and they can look like part of a solid object when they're moving together.
But I think this is a case of Chinese lanterns could be but sort
of triangular. But just also keep in mind that that's what the Phoenix lights
did. They flickered out and back on again. But these didn't flicker back
on obviously. Well, and I'm you know, for a firm belief that
at least the later lights, not all of them, but the later lights
of the Phoenix Lights were not lanterns but flares. Yeah, I've got videos
of those from the same place. I think they were at Goldwater from my
house here in Phoenix. Over the air you see them often. But anyway,
here's the one that's a little more interesting. Are you ready for this
one? Yeah, So this is January seventh, twenty fifteenth, but it
was just submitted recently. This was a guy driving home towards Phoenixville in Pennsylvania
and he saw a strange light. She saw, actually a strange light.
She thought maybe it was plane. She saw three of them. It looked
like a triangular well, she couldn't tell what it was actually, she said
it they were just really bright. As she got closer to the lights,
she decided, Wow, those are way too bright to be a helicopter or
a plane. And she says that there was no noise. She wanted to
pull over, but she was on the highway and there was traffic, so
she didn't think it would be safe at the time. Once she passed.
But during this time she's taking pictures with her phone. She took a bunch
of them, and you do see these triangular, you know, three or
four lights together in a pattern. And once she got past the light,
she said, she was able to look back and see that it was a
triangular shaped craft with these bright lights on each corner. So and she took
up a chip pictures. This one's kind of m because it could be an
aircraft, I think in one of the pictures, though, it looks like
four lights, so it could be two headlights, two lights on each side
of the wings. But all of the lights are white, and they are
kind of interesting pictures. So I look for people to kind of take a
look at that and let us know what you think. So that one's a
little more interesting, not so easy to figure out what the heck that was.
Yeah, So all these stories will be in our show notes links to
them that will bounce over to open mind stock TV directly to the stories.
They better, they better they will that is, if you send me the
links and we'll do all right. So what's the fantastical these? Yeah,
this is the cool one because you know, as we talk about on this
show so often, you know, like that last one, it could be
something, but it's probably this kind of things. This is one where I
don't know what the heck this is, you know, this one's This was
another one that was videotaped. This is in Mississippi. This one took place
in February of twenty fifteen. This was a lady who says she's a fifteen
year uphologist in Memphis, in the Memphis area. So she said that she
had been seeing for like a week these bright lights in this one area.
So finally one day, at it was nearly one am, she was able
to see them. So she runs outside to go videotape them, and she
did videotape them, and it's a very interesting video of this cluster of lights.
It's really weird. She only got twenty seconds because it had just snowed,
and she didn't even put on her shoes because she wanted to capture it.
So she was walking in the snow and she just couldn't take it anymore.
She had to run back inside. But she watched these bright lights.
She says, we're in a triangular formation over the corn fields for about twenty
minutes before they just vanished. She said that it appeared that there were smaller
orbs being ejected from this larger object and that it was maybe only one hundred
feet off the ground. So this is a really weird one. It was
investigated by Mark Bort, a move On field investigator, and he closed it
as an unknown just saying that he couldn't figure out what it was either.
It's interesting that she claims that the lights were in a triangular formation because they
don't look like that at all in the video. However, in the video,
you have a cluster of lights, is what you see, and they're
all different shape. They seem to almost be in different directions. It's just
very strange these lights. I can't figure out what this might be. I'd
love for people to go take a look and maybe make some comments if they
can figure out what this is. But yeah, this is the story Hovering
Triangle UFO video taped by Mississippi witness. All of these, by the way,
we're contributed. These are articles written by Roger Mars who's a moof ON
director of Communications and he keeps an eye on this and what he's been doing
is going and look atting a picture and video cases that have been investigated and
determined to be unknown by the investigator and then posting some stories on this.
So this is a Trevor treasure trove. I think of some of the best
UFO stuff and this is one of This is a really good video. This
one's got me scratching my head, it is, and we talked about it
a little bit on your show, and yeah, check out that video.
It is really strange the way I think I said, they're like omnidirectional.
In other words, they're the clusters of lights seemed to be facing out,
pointing out in different directions. And it's really bizarre footage. So check that
out again. You can go through the show notes and it's right on Open
Minds dot TV. Alejandro, will you have yourself a great time at the
beach? Yeah? What are you going to do anything special? No?
You know, I'm in what they call vacation land. It's right on our
license plate in Maine, and people sit for hours and hours on the turnpike.
So I am not going anywhere. I don't think. I live right
by a lake. I live where everybody wants to go, so I might
as well stay. Yeah, yeah, might as well. That's great.
I want to move by the beach one day. Yeah, I can tell.
I can tell all right, Well, we'll be talking to you next
week. Aleandre, have a good one, all right, you two Talcu
Lator Betty, talk to you later. So hang in there everyone for the
quick little music break, and we'll be right back with Ray Hernandez. That
clip was provided by one of the fans of the show, Bruce Renier.
I believe he's up in Canada. Thank you, Bruce. And on the
line we have Ray Hernerandez. How are you, Ray, How are you,
Sartain. I'm doing it great, doing well, and we're going to
talk about all different types of things. We get you an hour and forty
five minutes or so. We're going to take a break at the top of
the hour. But before we get into the nuts in the bolts of what
Free is doing and all that, I wanted to find out who is Ray
Hernandez. And I understand you're an IRS tax attorney or you currently are you
were correct a state tax A state tax. I've been an IRS A state
tax attorney, which is an inheritance tax for the multimillionaires. And we won't
go after you want unless you die with more than five million dollars of net
assets. Well, you know, I wonder if our paths across. I
praised to MERV. Griffin's entire estate, all his properties and after he passed
away, and certainly was you know, well above that. But it's kind
of funny. I'm an a state appraiser, That's what I do, so
it's kind of funny how you never know look at look at that, you
never know. And I mainly deal with accountants, CPAs and attorneys. But
previous to that my experience there, I was an academic at the City University
of New York and I also taught at other universities, and I was a
director of two major programs. One was as a director of the City University
of New York for an environmental study sub project, and the other one was
with the City of New York. I was a director of the Office of
an Environmental Quality where I supervised a very large staff doing innovative environmental work.
And previous to that, I went to Universe of California, Berkeley, where
I was a PhD student in City and Regional planning and I had finished all
of my coursework and when I was writing my dissertation, my ex wife got
a brain aneurysm, which I was never able to complete my dissertation because I
hadn't undertake two full time jobs because two little babies to take care of a
wife that was not very well. And previously that I went to Cornell University
for a master's degree and again pretty much all straight a's in all these studies.
So if it wasn't for my ex wife having a brain aneurysm, I
would be an academic faculty at a major university somewhere in the United States now.
And presently, what you're doing for a job, it would seem like
it would take a lot of time. In other words, up seems like
a job like that is at least a you know, forty hour a week
plus commute type of position or more so, how do you find time to
do this other work that we're doing. It's it's extremely difficult. I basically
have no life after my irs work. I don't have personal time, to
tell you the truth, I do have a thirteen year old daughter and a
wife, and so they're always demanding my time, and it is very difficult
trying to to meet the needs of a job of a family. UH and
UH to do this work with free because as you know, we have eleven
elite members as part of our group. The most well known is doctor Edger
Mitchell is one of the co founders of Free and UM and doctor Rudy Shields.
So it's a it takes a lot, a lot out of their time
as well with the work of Free, but slowly but slowly, we're making
progress, right right, UM. I just want to tell the live listener
out there we are. If you're listening live on the Dark Matter Digital Network
or the I forget the radio station wherever this goes out on UM, you
can jump over to podcast ufo dot com. We have a chat room that
you're welcome to engage in. We have a question up there now. I'll
get to that in just a minute. And you can also call on the
show. We have a live line here at six O three nine six seven
four h three zero And if you do call in, you're going to be
taken in live, so watch your language if that happens. So so,
and let's go back now if I remember right, and pardon me if I
get this wrong. But are you an experiencer yourself? Oh? Yes,
yes, And my entire family is my wife, my daughter, and myself.
I've had numerous experiences. Let me just highlight up just a couple of
them. There was a a a metallic little craft of my wife's inside our
living room. And and let me give you a little background for that.
Are we had a sixteen year old dog at Jack Russell Terrier that was very
very ill before she had her stroke. So she was walking around like an
old lady on crutches, you know, limping around. She had been taking
tons of medications and we just you know, did not want to put her
to sleep. And saw what happened on a Saturday night at about seven or
eight o'clock in the evening a stroke. Our dog got a stroke and basically
became totally paralyzed from the neck down. And we described the symptoms to our
vet. It was a good friend of ours, and he said, look
what you're telling me appears like h Nana, which means a little girl in
Spanish. That Nana had a stroke, and that he says, look,
I'll open up my office tomorrow Sunday and we could put her to sleep,
you know, and my wife wanted a little ceremony for her. Uh he
says, fine, you know, whatever you want. So my wife at
that point was very very Catholic. She grew up in Mexico, you how
to be at church like two to three times a week, definitely Sunday Mass.
So she started praying all night for I'm iraculous cure, basically for our
dog. So that Sunday morning at six o'clock, the dog was barking because
that's what she could do. She couldn't move anything else, but she couldn't
move her head. She can't. She couldn't move her head. So my
wife picked her up, we saw her, he moved around, and she
was still paralyzed. So my wife then carried her down the stairs to bring
her to the bathroom outside to see if she could do you know, her
necessities because we didn't know what was you know, that condition. So then
I went back to sleep. So then about fifteen minutes later my wife,
not fifteen minute, maybe ten to fifteen minutes later, my wife was yelling
at me, and it was like right, right, right, and I
totally ignored it because it's Sunday morning at six o'clock in the morning. So
after all all her yelling, I totally ignored her. She went up there
and basically hauled me out of bed, and then she wouldn't tell me what
it was. But she says, I need to go downstairs. I need
to go downstairs, and let me describe what she saw. Okay, but
that was as I said. I didn't see what she saw. I saw
something totally different. What she described was like a little craft that looked like
an upside down you. It was roughly two feet wide by three feet in
height, metallic shape, silverish polished, and it had two green lights in
the middle. Did you say, this is actually in the house itself,
in our living room, in our living room, And again I did not
see that. She saw that and saw. My wife never had anything UFFO
related or et or paranormal related in our lives, neither one of us.
She knelt down and started praying, and she basically said, if you're a
bad spirit, get the hell out. If you're a good spirit, stay
and so. And then all of a sudden, these lights slot of flickering
inside and it shot out from the side, these white fluorescent lights. And
then that's when she started yelling at me too, to go downstairs. So
she holed me out of bed, and so she went in front of me,
and I was right behind her. As soon as she got to the
bottom of the stairs and I was like one or two flights up, she
totally disappeared in front of me. Okay, now again, what I'm telling
you is not rational the way you act with these types of encounters, because
you've probably heard from other experiences that these entities totally controlled your consciousness and your
behavior. So what happened immediately, Like, I didn't even pay attention to
my wife having disappeared. I just looked in the corner of the room and
I saw something totally different. What I saw was a floating plasma being.
And I called it a being because it for what I'm about to tell you,
let me describe it. It was basically two and a half to three
feet wide, about a foot and a half in height, looked like pure
energy, pure plasma, rectangular in shape, but it didn't have any external
edges to it because it was pure energy. SETI translucent, multicolored, not
like a rainbow we have one color touched to another, but like all these
colors, mixing and matching and flowing all inside. And what I did is
basically waved my hand at it and I said, ah bs, you know.
Then I turned around, I walked up the stairs. I went to
bed, put my hands on the chest, it look straight up at the
ceiling, and within a minute I was knocked out. Okay, I must
have been knocked out. I didn't. We didn't check the time. Anywhere
from fifteen minutes to half an hour, I'm not sure. Then I woke
up, but then I was fully conscious, and I said to myself,
holy cow, you know what the hell has happened, you know? And
I ran downstairs and there in the living room, my wife is dancing around
the floor saying, the angels cured to the angels, carried to the angels,
carreter and I was like, one, angels, you know, well
you saw them, you saw them. I said, well, I didn't
see an angel what I saw with this plasma thing, you know. And
I went upstairs and put me to sleep for half an hour, fifteen minutes
whatever it was, and says and then she then described what she saw.
Now for the rest of the day was pure pandemonium and pure confusion. We
were never scared at all. It was just because my wife always saw it
as angel. To me, I saw that plasma thing, you know,
And I didn't know that she was praying. She didn't tell me that until
much later on. So what I realized many many months later was this concept
of missing time because to her, I was right behind her going down the
stairs when she looked down, and then she saw her dog was totally cured.
The dog when I got downstairs, was like running around like a little
puppy, jumping up and down, you know, like a foot foot and
a half like Jack Russell does. And she was like a like a teenager,
you know. And it wasn't even the old dog before the stroke,
you know, walking like gingerly with the authritis and everything. No, you
know, and and so for a long time it was just bewilderment. And
immediately I went to the Internet and I typed in you know UFOs ets,
you know, aliens, paranormal, you know, because I had no concept
of what this was. Now, pardon me? Was this the first the
first incident? Yes, this was the very first incident. It was March
of twenty twelve, March fourth of twenty twelve. And then what happened.
I won't go into the details, but there was three incidences where my wife
saw a craft. Two times she called it down and twice they were witnesses,
mainly her family members that had witnessed this craft with her with her and
then one time I called on a craft, but it was playfully because the
night before I had seen this guy on YouTube calling down a craft in the
middle of the day, and this little speck appeared. And so it was
already at nine o'clock at night, it was totally cloudy night, and I
was waiting for this friend of mine to give me some papers, and I
said, what the hell, you know, let me experiment do what I
saw on YouTube last night. But it was, you know, it was
just I really wasn't goofing off. I wasn't here about it, but not
like someone that goes on these retreats for three or four days and praise and
meditates for three or four days. Now, it's just like, okay,
when I'm wait for your friend, let me try it. What happened was
there was a huge agend a craft that appeared the bottom of the size of
a football stadium. The bottom of the craft was five feet from the roof,
okay, five feet from the roof, less than thirty feet away from
us. It was huge. It went back six hundred meters. It looked
like in a hundred meters tall and then I heard a voice saying, Daddy,
you and Miami have seen a UFO. Next time you guys see a
UFO, you call me, all right, daddy. And again they controlly
control your mind. So immediately I went to the window and I called my
just recently twelve year old daughter to come outside and see this craft. Okay,
because I was outside and we live in a cul de sac, a
very wide and long col Desac. Now, if you're a rashly thinking person,
that would be the last thing you would do, you know, called
down a twelve year old daughter to come and see this thing, you know,
because you don't know what the hell's gonna happen. So then for fifteen
minutes, she and I saw this craft. Then my friend comes not by
himself, but with his wife and their seventeen year old daughter. Now,
both of these folks, she's from Mexico, she's from Colombia. Both of
them are professionals, college educated, big time Catholics that every Sunday they got
to be at church, okay, and it was total bewilderment, you know,
on their part. And then I've had numerous paranormal experiences. My wife
had them as well, So it's basically my entire family has had these experiences,
myself and my wife seeing this entity that controlled our minds. It basically
took my wife and returned our door completely cured from a total paralysis of miraculous
healing. And then my daughter and I saw that huge craft with three other
adults, and then my wife in Mexico. And when once in the US,
I had saw sightings of these huge craps. Wow, this is really
interesting. Now, So Monday, you go back to work, you're hanging
around the water cooler. You didn't really bring this up, did you?
Oh? I didn't talk about this for many many months. But did you
talk to colleagues about it? No? No, not in the beginning.
No, No, It wasn't until later on when I started having a lot
more of these experiences. I guess it all started. I started talking about
it really heavy duty about a year and three or four months later when I
had a download of of instructions and and then I was inside a wheel floating
in the middle of like a matrix type of reality, where inside this wheel
it had all these various paranormal components in each side, each spoke of a
wheel like for example, UM eat contact was one. Spoke. Near death
experiences was another. Spoke. Out of body experiences was another area of the
spoke of the wheel, remote viewing, you know, ghosts and spirits,
the spirit world, etc. How about cryptoid's bigfoot anything? Oh no,
no, that I don't recall that. I remember. It was like eight
different topic areas. And then what was in my head, what was put
into my head, what was holding everything together was consciousness and quantum physics.
Okay, and that all of them are all into related, it's all one,
and it's all controlled by consciousness and quantum physics. Okay. Now that
same day. I don't know if you've ever had Mary Rodwell on your show.
Okay. Mary Rodwell is one of the top researchers of individuals that have
had UFO related contact. She's been research research, she has researched over three
thousand cases. Okay. She's not that well known in the United States because
of the travel expenses to the US. Most people get you know, Yvonne
Smith, Barbara Land, Kathleen Martin. But in Europe, Mary Rodwell is
all three of these eighties all put together. Just to let you know,
you know her background and so what happened was seven months before. I had
sent an email to you know, Grant Caramon, Joe Montaldo, David Jacobs,
you name it, you know, uh, someone people that dealt with
this area, you know, Barbara Lamb whatever, top upologists, telling them
about my story and wanting to find answers because the Internet was just full of
junk, you know. It was like their angels there, their devils and
if Affilians they're in the knakis. And then you had a million people.
You know, I've got all the answers. I've got all the answers,
you know, and they're all contradicting each other. So I sent an email
to these top people, just like any experiencer, you want someone to talk
to, you know. And so um, I got responses from a few
folks. I think Whitley Streeber was one of them. Grant Cameron was another
one. I forgot who. Joe Montaldo was another one. Um. And
so anyway, Mary, that day that I got that download sends me an
email. He says, Darray, I'm sorry Tom respond into your email that
you had sent seven months ago, but it just popped up on my screen.
Okay. So then I immediately went on email, and I sent her
an email, well, you don't know what the hell has happened since in
these last seven months, and just today this happened. So then she showed
me how to use Skype. I had never used Skype before, and we
talked about her work. We talked about catching up with all my additional experiences
that I had since that day of the sighting of the craft with my daughter
and my three friends. And so she also told me about this professor at
Harvard who worked very closely with doctor John Mack for many years before doctor John
Mack died, and then after he died. He's one of the founders of
the John Mac Institute to carry on the legacy of doctor Mac and that he
had worked with has been working with experiences for over thirty years, and that
Rudy in fact is one of the world's leading experts on quantum physics and consciousness.
And so I didn't really pay a lot of attention to that, you
know, until the very next day Mary and I hung up and we'll say,
okay, we'll continue to chat. Oh, by the way, I
did ask Mary about that, you know, does she ever go back seven
months to check her emails and She started laughing. She says, Ray,
I can barely keep with one day's emails. How in the world am I
going to go back seven months? So I said, well, Mary,
how do you explain that? And she laughed out loud, you know,
almost hysterically, She said, Ray, by now you ought to know what
happened. You know that the ETS basically waited to put it there in front
of me this day that I got that download. Now here's another quote unquote
synchronicity that very next day, after I had my download and I spoke with
Mary, I got a phone call at ninth thirty in the morning from doctor
Rudy Shields. Okay, I didn't even know this fellow and never even met
him, never you spoke to him. He calls me. Remember, this
guy's a seventy five year old professor who's one of the directors of the Harvard
Smithsonian Center for Astral Physics. He had a battle with Stephen Hawking, which
I found out later on, for over twenty five years as to what is
the true nature of black holes. Okay, Rudy won the war, not
Stephen Hawking. Hawking publicly admitted two years ago. For the last thirty years
he had been completely wrong on black holes, and now most astrophysicists accept the
model that was put forward by doctor Richiels. Just to let you know the
mind of this guy. This guy's a genius among geniuses. So he calls
me up at nine thirty and he starts spoon feeding me advanced quantum physics.
And he said, Ray, I advanced quantum physics, and doctor Egor Mitchell's
quantum hologram theory of consciousness and physics can't explain all of the paranormal phenomenon.
So the vision that you had and the instructions that you had were actually correct.
But yet the rest of the majority of humanity doesn't understand that. Okay.
And so at the end of it, he says, Ray, look,
you know, these ets gave you a mission because what I didn't tell
you, what they had told me, was that when I was in this
mystical state, this matrix type of stateward, this wheel was floating around me,
I was given a download. Okay. I didn't physically see these ets,
okay. And again I was in the middle of a traffic jam going
to work on Monday morning at eight thirty in the morning, okay, and
it was the middle of this traffic jam that this occurred, and basically what
I got the message was that I need to inform humanity of the relationship between
these entities that I've been working with me, these entities, the spirit world
and consciousness. Well, okay, in this traffic jam, in the middle
of a traffic jam at eight thirty in the morning, and I called an
experience of the only experience that I've been talking up to that time, and
it was only for two months. And she was someone that Joe Montaldo had
sent to communicate with me, because Joe is doing some studies on abductions,
you know, and experiencers. So that's how you know, I came ahold
of this individual. So I called her up at eight thirty in the morning
and I said, you won't freak and believe what has happened. And so
you know, we had that brief conversation and it was that night that I
got Mary Rodwell to send me that email. Now towards the end, Rudy
said, look, Ray, they gave you and instructions of what you need
to what you need to do, okay, And I said, but look,
Rudy, I have no idea what the hell, I'm going to do.
It wasn't like, you know, do step A step B steps,
you know, It's just like some nebulous thing, you know. And he
says, don't worry. It always comes to experiencers, you know. Clarification
always comes later, you know. And Rudy said, well, if you
do something, I recommend an organization, and if you do for this organization,
I will be there to help support you and to back you up.
Initially we thought it was like a documentary or something like that to do,
you know, because we u but let me continue the story. I'm jumping
the gun a little bit. So Rudy said he he'll back us up.
He'll be a scientific advisor. And then he says, jot down this telephone
birth. So I started writing down the telephone number. He said, this
is the telephone number of my mentor. So this is the mentor of the
smartest man in the world, the person that bested Stephen Hawking, okay,
one of the directors of the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Rostrophysics. He said,
call him up. I said, well, who's this? He says,
doctor edgar Mitchell. And at that point I was like, you know,
I already knew who he was, so like Rudy and I agreed to converse
and it took me like four hours before I called Edgar up. And when
I did call him up, he said that Rudy had already sent him an
email and I had chatted with him briefly on the telephone and said, I'm
someone to be taken seriously and to pay attention to me. You know.
So what Edgar did he invited me to his house, okay, for the
next day. So now we're at the third day, okay, because the
first day was my download and me being inside the wheel that night, Mary
Rodwell said be an email that I sent seven months late. The next day,
at nine thirty, doctor Rudy Shields calls me. I didn't call him.
He calls me at nine thirty in the morning. And then doctor Egan
Mitchell that afternoon invited me to his house. So the next day I was
at his house and oh my god, I didn't even know this man.
And he's going on into all these intimate stories about his life. And I
won't go into a lot of these details because it's not very relevant, but
basically he told me all about Roswell, you know, the whole everything astronauts,
you know, some stories of astronauts. So at the end of it
all, he repeats the same thing that Rudy told me, and he says,
look right, you know, I will back you up. With Rudy,
we will be your scientific advisors. And as a matter of fact,
I have a group called Quantract, which he explained to me. We were
a group of advanced physicists and we've been working on various physics related projects,
including the physics of zero point energy and the physics of consciousness. We've been
doing this for many years, and we can invite them in to help us
out. Okay. So then when I we you know, we agreed to
continue chatting, and you know, I told him I have no idea what
the hell I'm going to do, and safety with Rudy, It'll come to
you. It always comes to you, you know. So then I then
sent an email to Mary Rodwell and I said, Mary, look, we
need to do something. You know, we need to form an organization.
And then I said, Edgar and Rudy are not going to be you know,
moving forward with this because these are two, you know, two men
that it is extremely busy. Why don't you and I, you know,
start this. I have no idea what we're doing. And we thought it
was going to be a documentary or something like that, a little movie or
something. You know, we really had no idea. So um, like
two weeks later, you know, Mary says, ray, I got the
perfect name for it, Free, the Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters.
Now, mind you, we had no idea what we're going to be doing
anyway, Okay, So then one day I was on the computer, was
a Saturday morning, nobody was here, and all of a sudden I just
started typing. I just started banging away, you know, for an hour
and a half or two hours. And what it was was a whole mission
of what FREE would be doing this new organization. And within a month we
had a who's who joining doctor Mitchell, doctor Rudy Shields, and Mary Rodwell.
Now we have a whole bunch of retired academics. One of the academics
is the chair of our research study, doctor John Klimo, and he's a
recently retired tenured professor of psychology. He's one of the world's most famous academics
on the paranormal and he's taught research methodology for over forty years. He's chaired
two hundred and fifty PhD dissertations. We also have in our group a neuroscientist,
again, a retired professor of the brain of neuroscience. His name is
doctor Bob Davis, and he just recently wrote a book and has been on
several radio programs talking about his book, which is a book titled UFOs Should
We Believe? And yeah, he was on this show a little while ago.
Okay, yeah, so you so you know his background. Then only
recently he and his wife, I think it was maybe three years ago.
He and his wife were out in Sedona, and again, this guy was
a scientists, a brain, you know, a specialist, totally skeptical all
of this material. So he and his wife saw a UFO in the middle
out of Sedona and then he just freaked out. He got hitten a head
by a two by four, you know, and began researching this phenomenon.
And what he discovered doing you know, heavy duty scientific academic research on this
basically through government publishing his government reports, was that there is more than credible
evidence for a scientist to reasonably conclude that, yes, the UFO phenomenon is
very much real. And so I then brought him in to Free again with
the approval of doctor edgra Mitchell and UH and UH and doctor Rudy Shields to
be like the skeptic of our group, you know, the raschalista scientist type,
and he wound up being, you know, like the co chair with
doctor Klemo of our research study. UM. Other people we have on board,
um doctor Lego Sprinkle, who was the first academic to actually publish articles
on individuals that I've had you a full related contact. But back then almost
all the start studies were done on abductees. But Leo was on a little
while ago and he did he did mention this. Um, I just I
just have a we're moving further away from something I want to ask you about
actually, and one of the things that you I hadn't heard it until I'm
going to say maybe I started hearing it about eight months ago. The word
download over and everybody's talking about download. I was at the Experiencer's speak this
last week in in Portland Lane saw Grant Cameron can Feeling, Martin Stanton Freedman,
Travis Walden, etc. Etc. And Kening is on our board of
directors Okay, So I do have some things to talk about as far as
that term and everything, but I want to talk about the wheel. The
wheel, to me is fascinating. And by the way, if you're listening
live, you can call in the show at six O three nine six seven
four h three zero or jump in the chat room at podcast UFO and ask
a questions. So there's someone on the message board who has I'm just going
to basically read his question. It's similar to one I had in mind.
But he's saying I have heard others mentioned this similar image of a wheel.
Have you talked with others who had the similar image and if so, what
were the differences or similarities. Well, interesting enough, the person that put
that conference that you attended to that you attended the Experience to Speak conference,
this is miss Huans, Audrey Hwans. She had a similar experience of the
wheel. I see, uh huh. Anyone else that you're aware was another
experiencer that had a very similar experience of the wheel that they were in the
type of like a matrix reality that you're like floating somewhere and you know somewhere
you know, and you're inside a wheel and it's floating around you. So
there's three people that I know of, But again I have not publicized or
I don't have a book published or anything like that. A lot of people
don't really know a lot of my story. You know, have you ever
seen this? Uh? Have you ever seen this? After that, we
have someone calling and hang on just say yeah, surely, Hello caller,
you're on the line. Please say your first name and go ahead and ask
a question. Yes, my name is Bobby. I'm calling from Jasper,
Alabama. And my question is this, do you believe that there is any
way that we can, for lack of a better word, call in if
you will, kind of Sunday a middle telepathy kind of message to some of
these visitors to come and visit us. And do you believe that that would
be a positive experience or or could there possibly be some that you don't want
to come visit you? Okay, let me answer that question. We did
ask that question in our survey. I haven't got into the research study yet,
but it's a survey that we've gotten two thousand, five hundred responses from
individuals that have had UFO related ET contact, and we did ask that question
and we have gotten positive responses in the very high hundreds of individuals that have
called down a craft. We cannot publish our findings with actual numbers and percentages
and things of that sort, but yes, that's a very very high number
of people that have done that, just like I did it, my wife
did it. Also, there's this concept UM which is totally changed. But
in Latin America, UM six O pass in nineteen seventy four formed a group
called Group or RAMA, which is a group too basically called down these crists
and begin communications with these beings. And then now, yes, I'm sorry,
I did we need to erupt you. And you're saying that that that
brings to light something and I hope I'm not stepping on evy toes of what
I'm about to say, because that's not my intention. But there's one person
that that kind of uh he gets groups together, uh, and that is
doctor Stephen Greer, and he, uh, he will get groups together.
But now he advocates that, uh that you know, you need to be
experienced with this. With that in mind, and you mentioned that in this
individual he's you know, he does this and encourages this. Yeah, if
he ever had any personal interaction with doctor Greer, and if so, what's
your opinion on some of his UH theories and and whatnot the heat proponing.
Okay, well, let me just ask answer the last question very briefly.
There have been many individuals all over the world that have been formed forming these
contact groups even before Stephen Greer's name was even a public household, Okay,
especially in Latin America. And these individuals that I know have conducted these sessions
all throughout the world, and many participants have, yes, have had contact
of both the crafts and these beings. Now doctor Stephen Greer, I personally
have not had any relationships with him, in formal or formal relationships with him.
Now. In terms of positions, free takes the position a neutral position
of whether these experiences are positive, negative, neutral, whatever. You know.
Our publishings are our surveys, I should say. Our surveys will be
revealed on December first, and we do ask those questions of experiencers. We
asked it many many different ways. And again we've got two thousand, five
hundred people that answered this. So it's not just a little tiny study that
someone did with you know, twenty or thirty people. This is a huge,
gigantic study and we did ask that question that you just asked about whether
they're positive or negative, or neutral or whatever in many different ways. Now,
the final I asked, I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry to
was going to say, is that the findings, the way these experiencers are
answering them, uh, most of the public will find it much more different
perception than what they see on the internet, right, And I look forward
to that. The only reason that I asked about doctor Greece because just just
as you said, his name has been one that's kind of uh become a
household talk if you will. He's got a little bit more probility. I
very much look forward to your release, and I'm thoroughly enjoying your interview this
evening, and thank you for ask you my questions. And I'll go think
you to listen to the program. Thank thank you, Bobby, appreciate the
call in. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bobby. So okay,
and if anyone else also, I wish we had to say this,
if you'd rather skype in, my user name is Marty Willis. I don't
like to be called Marty, but that was the only one that was available,
So Marty Willis. If you want to skype in and again the phone
number six h three nine six seven four h three zero. Now, I
can't remember exactly the topic that we were on, but it seems to me
we did have another question. Yeah, you want me to take the other
question or to talk a little bit about some of the other board of directors.
We have eleven individuals, Yeah, okay, we have about We have
about ten minutes or so to the top of the hour. So let's just
devise what we're going to be talking about, mostly in the second hour before
we move on. Right now, we can talk about the board members,
who's involved. We can do that now in the second hour week and go
in depth in terms of the study, because so far we haven't, you
know, mentioned anything about the methodology. Okay, sure, let's go ahead
and go ahead. And who's on board? And how did you get them
on board? You mentioned how the first two obviously did it all just kind
of fall together? Yes? Like for example, doctor John Klimo, someone
recommended that I give him a call. I didn't even know his background.
He himself as an experiencer and he's public about it now, and so when
I told them what I had in mind, he told me that he taught
research methodology for forty years and he told me all the books and the PC
dissertations and stuff, and I said, oh my god. You know it's
like, um he was put right in front of me to be the chairperson
for this research study because I said earlier, you know, this is one
of the world's leading academic in this area. And then Bob Davis was He
called me up and asked and sent me an email wanting to talk to me.
So the other members, the non academic members, I should say,
are Kathleen Martin who who you know, Rosemary Ellen Guiley. I don't know
if you ever had her on your show. She's published seventy two books on
the paranormal. And Mary Rodwell, who I mentioned before, who's one of
the world's leading researchers in this field. We also have Georgio Piacenza who's one
of Latin America's leading uphologists and he himself is an experiencer. And Kathleen Martin
did come out publicly last September that she's also an experiencer. And there's you
know, some other individuals on our board who are experiencers. I don't know
whether they've publicly come out or not. But basically eighty percent of our board,
our experiencers, more than half our retired academics, actually five of them.
We also have doctor Michael Melton, who you probably met at the Experiencer's
Speak conference. Uh. He U is um a PhD clinical psychologist who is
a member of Starborn Support and uh works with many of the experiencers associated with
that organization. I'm sorry, I just I just missed the name. Who
that was? Oh, the last one was doctor Michael Melton. No,
I didn't, I didn't meet him. He was that that fat, chubby
guy that was taking probably the video of the conference. Okay, I know
exactly who he is. Yeah, well, he's a PhD clinical psychologist and
he's also a member of our board of directors, and he and Kathleen Martin
are member members of move On's Experiencer Research team. So we do have members
of move On that are doing research on on on experiencers, not experiences.
I should say I'm abductees, because that's the focus of their study. So,
as you could tell, we have an elite group working on this.
It is an academically driven, academically guided research study. Now Besides credibility,
what has doctor Edgar Mitchell brought to the table for free. Oh, he's
reviewed every document. He's reviewed the people that we were thinking of bringing in.
He's giving us the thumbs up of the thumbs down. On a few
people, he's given us the thumbs down. He's made contacts with other individuals
opening up doors for example. Each is. Recently, on Saturday, I
was in his house again and he signed the letter off for us to give
to various conference organizers requesting that free one of our academics, one of our
professors in free be able to give a lecture at the major conferences around the
world, not just on upology, but in other areas to talk about our
free research study after December first. So we're targeting conferences in twenty sixteen,
hoping for them to invite one of our academics to give a formal speech about
our findings. Hmm okay, and I can send you that letter that doctor
Mitchell uh uh signed off on. He just did it this Saturday. Uh
So he's um, he's he's doing Okay, I've a couple of things five
years old, right, Yeah, he's um, he's his health is not
you know, the best of health. I'm not at liberty to go into
all the details of his health, but um, you know he's not there,
Mitchell that I met three h three years ago or no, excuse me,
two and a half years ago, Uh, the first time at his
house because you know, age takes a toll on individuals. But he's still
very sharp, very witty. Yeah, you know he's still If you get
into a debate with him, I wish you the best of luck. Okay.
Um. So, one of the questions I had here is what type
of publicity was undertaken to publicize um, the research study, just to get
the word out there, to get these what did you say, two thousand
plus people individuals? Yeah, into the specifics, um. We uh sent
out every month a posting on over five hundred Facebook sites Facebook. No,
no, that's not the only one. That's just one out of like ten
different strategies. Okay. Now, the Facebook sites that we posted on was
English, Spanish and French okay. And it dealt with uphology groups with moufan
groups, abductions, paranormal parapsychology, extra politics, consciousness, et aliens,
hybrids, achien aliens, new age groups, CE five groups with that person
I just mentioned in the last caller a short while ago and um. And
we send that out every month our postings about our free research study. We
also sent over two thousand and five hundred emails to a mailing list that we
got from many of the people in our organization like for example, doctor Egan
Mitchell, uh Mary Rodwell, doctor Rudy Shields, you know, etc.
Etc. That are participating with Free. We also sent an email to all
of the Mouffon directors, state directors, assistant directors, international directors. It
was a list of over one hundred names. We also sent emails to the
top authors of uphology, of the paranormal, of abduction, or authors or
researchers all over the world. So almost every people that you've interviewed, most
of them have received an email from Free announcing our experience or research study and
if they had any questions to to to send us an email to Free.
We also sent the emation on Free to almost all of the major uphology and
paranormal radio stations, and we were also interviewed by two move on radio stations
as well, and to the websites of all of these individuals and organizations so
no one has ever done this type of publicity before for any type of research
study associated to this phenomenon. So that's to respond of our public outreach,
which is extensive. It really sounds it and I know, you know,
just from my own experience, how much time you know something like that takes.
And then if you want to boost posts, you know you can spend
some money too. I don't know if you do any of that type of
thing, but you know, just to get the word out there. It
helps when you have other people helping. And it sounds like you have a
team. I don't know how much of the work you have a huge support
team backing us up. Uh huh. And before we hit the top of
the hour here in just a couple minutes, if you can just say,
um, it's Experiencers dot c no dot org. It's experiencer singular. It's
e x P E R I E n C e R dot rgy dot org.
Okay, And before we move on at the top of the hour,
I just wanted to ask you one question for the first hour here, and
that is to finish up. For a couple of minutes, um, have
you talked? I keep going back to this IRS thing, and I just
wondered if you are if you are out of the closet as far as this
goes, you know, at work or is it now? Yes, the
way you had asked a question was initially after my experiences, I have indeed
spoken with almost every attorney in my group. Wow, and my supervisor.
Okay, Three of them have had experiences okay. One was a direct vision
of a craft and an ET contact experience. Okay. Two of them have
had paranormal experiences. I also asked a question, have they spoken to anyone?
And they said, Ray, please don't tell anybody else. Don't tell
me about just in confidence. Okay. So this is a group of about
twelve attorneys, including with my supervisor, and three of them have had well,
one has had, as I said before, the actual sighting of a
craft and an ET contact experience, and the other two have had paranormal experiences.
Wow. You know how it's very common that people don't talk about it.
Yeah, Well, you know how the IRS can target someone, Well,
it sounds like the IRS is being targeted to me. I don't know
the reason I'm stating this because another project that we're going to be pushing,
we're going to be starting in a couple of weeks is to begin a program
called the Experiencer Liberation Day. I saw that, Yes, yeah, go
ahead and talk about Okay. So you have been getting a lot of my
emails. Okay, So with the experience of Liberation Day, we can talk
about it in the next hour. But it's basically all these movements, you
know, gays, lesbians, civil rights movement, the woman's movement. You
know, they're all out of the closet. Okay, the closetedde yes.
But for us, we want to get experiencers out of the closet. Why
is it that these three attorneys that work with me can't talk about these things
publicly? You know why myself, given my experiences, I cannot talk about
it publicly? You know, Um, eight out of the eleven people in
our our our our group here and our board of directors, board of directors,
our experiencers, yet only half of them are open the open about their
experiences. Okay. Why is that it should not be? Okay, this
is a phenomenon which is taking place all over the world. It's uh,
why can't we discuss it openly? Once we begin to discuss it openly,
then we're be able to deal with this in a scientific, academic, rational
way and not just some taboo that's on the Internet of people speeling bullshit because
the friend you know, of people speeling information without any credibility. So what
we're trying to do with free is do the first ever academic comprehensive research study
on experiencers and with these with these academics, and actually bring credibility to this
field for the first time, so experiencers can indeed come out of the closet.
Right, Okay, So hang in there if you're listening live, we're
going to be right back. All right. We're on the line here with
Ray Hernandez. He is going to be talking this hour more about the research
that the study that it's being done with all these two thousand some odd people.
You can call in this show at six O three nine six seven four
h three zero. You can skype in at Marty Willis at the user name
Skype user name Marty Willis, M A R T Y W I L L
I S. And all right, so we sort of left off about people
being able to talk about this openly freely, and I understand you know,
this has so many parallels to you hear about other like support groups of whatever
kind. It is where people you know in numbers feel safe and talk about
their own experiences and whatever they are in any given group. And how say
even AA or all that. How it seems to work. It seems to
comfort people to be able to talk about it. Is that part of what
free is doing. Yes, yes, we also have another program which I
haven't discussed yet. We've actually been running it for a year and a half.
It used to be called the Experiencer Buddy Program and now it's called the
Experiencer Peer Support Program and its individual it's what it is is that we announce
it to individuals that have had any type of contact experience with I don't like
to use the word ET because it signifies extraterrestrial, but basically any UFO related
non human intelligent being and you need someone to talk to, we hook you
up with an individual that has had many years of having these experience. Most
of the individuals that have volunteered for this, we have over thirty of them.
Most of them are in their late fifties, sixties, and even seventies.
And these individuals that are not traumatized by this, they might have had
early trauma, you know, when they first began these experiences, but over
the years it's like, you know, been there, done that, you
know. So we hooked these people up with these rookies. People have never
talked with anybody, and even a lot of older folks we talked to that
I've never spoke to anyone except their spouse. But because we're doing this work
with free and we're publicizing all this work, people coming out of the woodworks,
you know, so then they emails if they found out about this program.
The Buddy program are called the Peer Support program, and we hooked them
up with someone to talk to, and in a year and a half,
we have helped almost three hundred and fifty people. Okay, Now let me
give an example of myself. Okay, I did not have a traumatic experience.
It was my wife sees them as angels, you know, and they
did have a miraculous healing of our dog. And I never had anything negative.
Okay, But yet I was extremely traumatized by this. Why because my
whole mindset was totally blown up here. I was an atheist, Okay.
My wife would force me to go to church on Sundays and it would be
like once a month I would go you know, um the other times she
would go without me, you know. And I was trained at Berkeley in
the PSD candidate at Berkeley, you know, a rational materialist, and all
of a sudden, this thing you know, pops in my living room,
and then all these other experiences, so your your mind gets blown to little
pieces and you have to put them together again to make some semblance of your
life. Um, you know, you don't work, you become depressed.
You're like totally anxious to be able to talk with someone someone, And it
was about nine months that I was alone. I had no one to talk
to, so, you know, even and that's even though my experiences were
positive. So there's a tremendous need to talk to other people, right right,
Um, there's a question up on the message board. UM, I
thought you addressed it in your first account, but perhaps not. Have you
seen an ET in person? And if so, can you describe the features?
Oh? Yeah, I did describe it. It was this floating,
uh plasma being. But was there any other um any have you ever had
another experience where you've actually physically saw No, not physically that's the only one,
but basically this et whatever you want to call it. You know,
uh did take my wife and the dog and returned them back later. You
know, the dog totally cured. It did act forced me to act totally
irrationally. You just don't look at something like that in the military river room,
wave your hand at it. Just said bs. Then go upstairs and
you get knocked out, like you know, in seconds, you know,
and then all of a sudden wake up and realize that you know, your
your back, your your consciousness, your real mind, you're real thinking,
you know it's back, and you run down the stairs and then you know,
craziness develops after your wife tells tells you what she had. You know,
so it definitely was a being. It was not a plasma ball like
an energy ball or something like that. No, it was so huge,
you know, you just can't make the stuff up. It was a being.
Now, how long lasting was the effects on the dog? Oh?
The dog? Mind you? She was sixteen years old. Okay, again
that's the equivalent. I guess you know someone that's ninety five or something like
that. Um, she lived for another eleven months like a teenager. Wow,
eleven and a half months, I would say, like a teenager running
back and forth, jumping up and down like whatever. And then the last
two weeks of her life, she just shoot went down super fast, to
the point where you know, she was like barely able to walk at that
point. But that it was real quick. It was like in two weeks.
So we brought it to the vet. As a matter of fact,
the first time soon after this happened, because she was taking all this medication.
She was taken viagrass, she was taken deretics, and we were saying,
you know, wow, now that she's healthy, you know, we
don't know whether to give this medicine. So we brought it to the vet
and we told to check her out, you know, and he checked her
out, and he says, what the hell happened, you know, and
we said, well, we don't know. She just woke up like that
way. You know. I never heard of giving a dog viagra. Oh,
you ask a vet and they will tell you that they do prescribe viagra
for dogs that their heart is not functioning properly. Well, I think that
was the original genesis of viagra, was for heart medicine or something. I
believe. Yeah, But my understanding is that it stimulates blood flow movement throughout
your body and the heart. It gets the heart working, you know.
And she had a very very bad heart and she was taking the diretics to
flush the water in her heart and I think in her lungs as well.
So you know, she was very, very sick dog. But he checked
her out, did a blood test on her and says she's completely healthy.
As a matter of fact, she's like, you know, when she was
many many years ago. You know, what the hell happened? You know,
that is bizarre. And so we did tell him the truth like a
year later. Okay, we did tell him the truth because he was a
friend of ours, and it was only like a year and a half later
that we started talking about this, you know, publicly. Um, and
he and we did tell him, and he basically thought that, you know,
we were nuts. You know, he'd like changed the subject and things
of that sort. But my daughter was in there because his daughter and my
daughter attended same elementary school and they were in the same class, you know.
So um, you know, he did verify from my wife, all
the facts. He did verify from my daughter. Um. So it's it's
like, you know, he just didn't know how to handle it. You
know, when you hear about this for the first time, you know,
is the entire family crazy? Yeah, you know, I understand that.
I mean, that's that's pretty typical. Can you provide will shift gears a
little bit? Can you provide an overview of the free experience or research project
in general? Okay? Based basically what happened was that, um as you
know, I have this academic background. Okay, when I had this experience,
I did what it's called an academic literature review, So I looked at
the publishings of professors of academics. I totally ignored, you know, the
works of non academic or information that was recovered through hypnotic regression, because hypnotic
aggression is very controversial and it's not fully recognized and it's not something that academics
rely upon. And so what I found out was that almost nothing was published
about this quantitatively, Okay, through quantitative data. I mean you could go
on thousand, you know, one hundred people going to your office and for
you to write a book about those hundred people, but that's not a scientific,
quantitative study that can really tell you what's going on throughout you know,
society, and so I did a literature review and what I found out was
that the very last study in this field was the study that was done by
our very own Kathleen Martin and deniset Owner and deniset Owner yeah, who's also
a member of Free and has been working with us for two and a half
years. And basically that study only had fifty individuals that I've had abductions,
okay, and there was only forty five questions. Now, this is not
going to cut the cake. You know, you need to focus not only
on abductions. You need to focus on the individuals that are having all types
of UFO related contact experiences. Because all of our researchers fully understand that abduction
is just a small abductees, it's just a small component of individuals that are
seeing UFOs and that have had ET contact. And as a matter of fact,
our research study, I can't not give you the actual percentages and the
numbers, but our research study confirms that hypothesis that every member of our group
said that abduction is just one smaller component of the overall people that are that
are having that are seeing UFOs and are having contact. So anyway, I
said, well, we almost know nothing about this because all the studies have
been on abductees. So what what differentiates our study with the previous studies that
I've been done in the past. One is the sample pool. As I
said earlier, you know, Kathleen's study had fifty abductees LEO sample pool,
and his studies were very small. There was another professor, professor u as
a French name, Robert le Lourev who published this study back in twenty ten
titled the OMEGA three Participants Summary Project, and it only had seventy one individuals
and it was a very few number of questions in a very very limited area
and um. And then there was a report that was done by Robert Bullard,
but again he took his data not on quantitative surveys that he undertook.
He took quantitative surveys that were done by Koufos of UFO reports and some of
the experiences that people had mainly abduction type of experiences. So basically, I'm
fair to say that we almost know nothing about the overall UFO related each contact
phenomenon. Can I interrupt you just for a second. I do want to
ask for a couple of sample questions in that one of them I just want
to know is because it's a topic that comes up quite often, and we
had Nick Redford on recently, and that is do you ask about their blood
type? Yes, we asked it, and have you can you reveal anything
about this study or do we have to wait till December first? Well you
have to wait till December first. But the blood typ is not what what
most of the people think it is, okay, because there's that's there's a
lot of talk about RH negative. Well, what it is is that Joe
Montaldo did a study uh of individuals that um that we're targeted with RH negative.
Okay, we still need to do a full statistical analysis, like for
example, there might be a difference between the people that are actually abducted okay,
and what is there are RH negative factor and the people that I've had
you know, ET's visit them, but have no idea that they've ever been
abducted, Okay, and you know and obviously they've had you experiences, So
it might be a difference between those two groups. But that only comes later
on after December first, when we start doing statistical analysis and come and comparing
different groups. You know, how did this group answer that question, how
did this other group answer that question? So that's why I'm saying what we're
doing is a very, very sophisticated a study. The preliminary findings, you
know, not the statistical cross comparisons, but the preliminary findings will be publicly
reviewed, but individuals each to understand that the actual, the real juicy stuff,
the cross comparions and stuff, will not be done until several months later.
I thought that was really interesting with Denise and Kathleen Martin did their study
just to hear the commonalities between you abductees, no matter where they are from.
But one of the questions I have for you, you know, you
reached out and all these different venues to all these people to take the survey.
Does anyone vet any of these people? Or is it just is it
like free flowing. What we're going to be doing is we're going to be
doing hundreds of interviews. I see, We're going to be getting these individuals.
And again, another difference between our study and the previous studies was that
the previous studies took abductees. Again, because all the previous studies were on
abductees that had experiences through hypnotic regression. We did not scept that. We
only asked for experiences based upon conscious explicit memory. That's it. No lucid
dreams, no mystical meditation, journeys and things like that. Even though lucid
dreams and mystical meditation and hypnotic regressions is valuable information to be able to study
this phenomenon. That component we're going to be asking when we do the interviews.
But the surveys were just based on consciousness explicit memory. Well, now
that we're talking about this, I'm thinking of someone like say the Alagash experiencers
on everyone remembered it ten years later. They only remembered through well, tidbits
were coming back to them, but they were having all this through regression,
all of them separately, and they all came up with, you know,
the same story separately. But you're you're not interested so much and as far
as people taking a survey in that type of situation, but you are interested
as far as interviewing them. Is that what I'm getting? Well, the
surveys again, there's two different focuses here for the survey. If you just
ask any which way question about hypnotic regression, or lucid dreams or mystical meditation.
You could have your next door neighbor who took a Dolorer's cannon class for
three hours that does pass life regressions to do a hypnotic regression session on them,
okay. Or you could have someone who totally sees these entities as pure
angelic, will not even touch anything, anyone that has had any type of
negative experiences, and someone who has no idea what the hell they're doing coaching
and guiding the questions, right, That's always been a concern. You know,
most we have a sort of a mutual friend. I don't know how
well you know her, but she is just getting into the field, and
you know that. Um as far as leading, they're very careful to make
sure that they're not leading people. But I can definitely see how that would
Yeah, that could be a factor. So what's going to happen to answer
your question, is that for the surveys, knowing that we would be fully
attacked if we allowed hypnotic regression in the quantitative survey, okay, But for
the interviews, we're going to be you know, one on one, we're
gonna be recording these mts and we're going to be going experienced by experience.
By experience, they're gonna be asking was that hypnotic regression? Was it conscious
explicit memory? Was it illusion? You know, to clarify each detailed experience,
and again to have that as part of the interview, which is part
of the experience or phenomenon. For example, if if doctor John mac you
know, did or Kathleen Martin did a regression, you know, we know
it's going to be done properly, incorrectly because they've had years of training,
they went to professional schools for all of this, that sort of thing.
They're trained not to be biased, that sort of thing. But we cannot
control for every you know, Mickey mouse person out in the streets that's doing
these hypnotic regressions. Like I said, someone that's had a three hour Dolores
Canon course. And I'm not knocking her, because I took that course myself
and I found it, you know, very interesting and very helpful for me.
But I'm not I can't go out now and do hypnotic regressions, you
know what I'm saying. Sure so, but we are going to be incorporating
that for the interviews. I say, yeah, Okay, well, I
understand that certainly. And just again, if you're listening live, you can
either skype at Marty Willis or you can call in at six oh three nine
sixty seven four h three. Oh And when I was going to say,
Marty Is that I still have a couple of basic differences between our study and
other studies. But we could continue after you ask a question. Okay,
well, I think I kind of lost my place here, and what I
was going to ask you was related to what you were just talking about.
So we were talking about hypnotic regression. Was that it? Yeah, yeah,
but go ahead and go ahead and continue. I apologize now, it's
me. It's me. I'm trying to look at the chat room and all
kinds of things all the same time, so I can easily mix aspect that
differentiates our study with other studies. Like I told you, we already have
two thousand and five hundred individuals. Now these are in three different languages,
Okay, in English, we have had for Phase one one over one thousand
and eight. Well, or now it's almost one thousand, nine hundred,
one thousand, nine hundred individuals that have taken our Phase one study and Phase
one is about one hundred and fifty questions. Okay, We've had more now
more than one thousand, one hundred individuals that I've taken our phase to study.
Now the Phase two studies or you know, the bigger experiences people that
I've had, lots of diversity of types of experiences. So again it's one
thousand, two hundred people just in English, okay, and Phase two is
comprised of four hundred and fifty questions. So the difference in terms of the
number of questions, We've got six hundred questions. And you know, the
last major study that was done on this, and again it was just on
abductees, was forty five questions. So again there's a huge difference in terms
of the type of questions that we're asked. And then we are expecting to
do later on Phase three and Phase four survey down the road, so it's
going to be tons of questions down the road. So the other aspect that
I talked about is the languages in we have Spanish and in French in Spanish.
So far, we've had Phase one and we've had over three hundred and
fifty individuals that have answered Phase one. Phase two is going to be launched
this week Okay, by the end of this weekend it should be launched Phase
two, so we should be able to get a very large sample pool for
for Spanish individuals and for French. I don't know what's going on with the
French individuals, but we've only had twenty five individuals now, no close to
thirty individuals that have responded to our Phase one French survey. You know,
I'm going to be talking in two weeks, there's going to be a prerecorded
I'm gonna be speaking with Klass Vaughan from Sweden and Sweden and he was telling
me, he, you know, he's really involved. That's his everyday job
is UFOs and he only knows of like two abductions, so it is kind
of strange. It's almost spotty around the world. And the question I had
for you that I couldn't remember was that not a question, it was a
statement, and that is This weekend, Kathleen Martin was giving a few sample
commonalities of their research that they did, and she said that sixty six percent
of the abductions were conscious conscious recall, yes, which I think is absolutely
fascinating because you think of people being abducted in their sleep, and you think
of people talking about sleep paralysis and all that. You know, the common
ways that you hear people trying to explain to the vast majority not only of
abductees, but of individuals that have had quote unquote ET contact experiences. And
again we're talking about UFO related ET CONTA experiences. People that have seen UFOs
and have had ET contact. I won't give a number, but the vast
majority have been conscious. Can I go back to when you were saying you're
in a traffic jam. Yeah, you're in a traffic jam, and then
you had this experience. Did you just wake up in the middle of the
traffic jam? I mean, what happened? Well, again, one of
the issues that we ask in our questions is this topic of missing time,
which is we're just experiencers and researchers are just starting to understand this. And
I know that Joe Montaldo has spoken on his radio show about that extensively,
But every researcher in our group knows about missing time because they've spoken with so
many experiencers. Like in my case, my wife thought that I never left
to go upstairs, like I was directly behind her the entire time. But
yet indeed, I was gone anywhere from fifteen minutes to fifteen minutes to a
half an hour, maybe more, because we really didn't ye look at our
clock. It was Sunday morning at six o'clock, you know, and it
was such a crazy day. I don't think we looked at our clocks.
Okay, but missing time is very, very common now, Rudy explained to
me physicists, most physicists, first of all, they understand this concept of
a multidimensional reality. Twenty years ago, most physicists did not accept it.
Okay, but now you know Mitchukaku, doctor Green from Colombia. Most so,
the major physicists that are out there that are talking to the public acknowledge
that they have a hard time believing in the multidimensional world reality of our universe
of universes. But now they're begrudgingly forcing to accept it. So Rudy said
that in fact, we live in a multiverse, that he's an adherence to
Edgar's quantum hologram theory of consciousness and physics, which deals with a multiverse reality,
and that in fact time does not exist, just like most physicists,
except that the concept of what we understand as time does not exist. Most
of the people in our group also hypothesize that these entities are actually multidimensional entities
for many, many different reasons. I will go into those details now with
the hypothesis that are multidimensional entities. And now that most physics accept the fact
that we do live in a multiverse, okay, is it? And that
most physicists do not accept the concept of time as we know what it is.
And that's starting with Einstein in in terms of his concept of relativity and
time. Isn't it not too much of a stretch to think that these ets
can take you and put you back in time or maybe in the future in
time. So in other words, when you're in your car, you do
you think you came back about the same time you're taking that That's exactly what
I'm getting at, Okay, that that you could be put back and you
don't even realize what went on. Um some experiencers have I think was Betty
Andreasen in one of her books, mentioned that she was actually put back,
like a minute before before these ets came on. She actually saw in the
living room her husband and her and her daughter something along those lines that she
was sort of like an ethereal type of person that hadn't fully materialized, materialized
back into reality and she was seeing what was taking place back in time before
the et came like a couple of minutes before. And numerous experiencers have stated
that, you know, it's funny, this has a parallel a little bit,
and you were talking about it in this wheel experience you had. It
has a little bit of a parallel to some of the near depth experiences.
I want to go way off topic here about it's not off topic, is
right on topic. We have again we asked that question about near death experiences.
We also ask a whole series of questions whether these ets are associated with
the afterlife, you know, with the spirit world. And we asked that
question many many different ways. Let me just tell you that based upon our
findings, Free formed a separate subcommittee to further explore this silly issue that you
brought forth and near death experiences verily, very prominently fictured. Wow. And
again I can't go into the details of the percentages, but remember I told
you in one of that is I said that the results of our study is
going to rock the field of upology and the field of the paranormal. Yes,
I remember that. And also there is one little I do want to
bring something up now that you just said. That is that there's a little
bit of conflicting dates. I believe on your website it says January first,
twenty sixteen. You're coming out with this. You mentioned on the show just
a few minutes ago that it was December first, and it was eventually originally
going to be launched in September. Yeah, let me let me clarify that.
Okay, there's nothing there about January first, but let me clarify the
dates. Our research committee several weeks ago had made a decision. Now,
everyone, our research committee is every one of our board of directors that I
previously mentioned to you, except doctor Rishields and doctor Ricor Mitch because they are
not researchers in this field. Everyone else's okay, so, but they do,
you know, help to run this show and free and give advice on
everything else, including our research study. But these are not people like like
Kathleen Martin and Marry Rodwell, Leo Sprinkle, John Klemo, etc. Etc.
That I've been doing this for, you know, working with experiences for
thirty forty years in a research capacity. So anyway, they decided at that
meeting that as of December first, that we would close the English language surveys
and to release the English data to the public at that time. And so
subsequently, we had our first Board of directors meeting last Thursday, a week
ago, you know whatever, six days ago, and at that time we
discussed the fact that it might taint the Spanish surveys and the French surveys that
they still have to do their Phase two surveys. So it was decided at
that meeting UH to not release the data, UH any data on September first,
but to release the data December first, So we would keep all the
surveys open for another three months and at that point we would go, you
know, on radio shows publicly discuss our preliminary data, that sort of thing.
Now the interviews most probably are going to start after December first, um
um, So December first is really the date for releasing everything. Okay,
because see I was on a website which was very similar, it's experiencer dot
ceo, and that that I don't that that no one posts on that website
for um goodness, for over a year and a half, Okay, that's
why the dates are off. Okay, no, no, it's a non
functional website everyone. We're building our website right now as we speak. We
have like a one page temporary site that list a lot of links, but
that site is experience or dot org. I see. Huh. Now,
we talked earlier, and you gave me a couple of ideas of some questions
that would be helpful, and so I don't want to ask any that you
can't answer. And one of them was how many individuals in your survey have
actually seen a UFO? Can you touch any of it? So you put
it to you this way, Okay, it's the vast majority of people have
answered our survey. Sure, our phase one survey. Now, had you
seen before your experience in your living room where you saw the plasma and all
that, had you seen a UFO or did you know nothing? Nothing?
I had no conception at all about UFOs, about et s, the paranormal.
The only thing I could think of is on on these cable shows,
you know, late at night, you know there might be an Asian alien
show or something like that. You watch it for fifteen minutes and then you
turn it off because you said yourself as bullshit, you know, and you
go on to the next program. So that that was my only understanding of
this reality. Yeah, now you said the word bullshit twice. I'm not
sure that's okay. Wait did I just say it? Whoops? I just
said it too. That's okay, it's not big it's not a big deal.
Really apologize sensitive to that term. That's all right. Anyone want to
call in, you can call six h three nine six seven four h three
zero. You can ask a question in the chat room. M Now,
you talked about your dog and this healing, this miraculous healing. The dog
was like a teenager. Are there people that I have heard this? And
when it comes to people claiming after an abduction experience, now are you seeing
any of that? Oh goodness, you're asking all the relevant questions here.
Let's put let's let's put it to you this way. Once our researchers saw
how people responded to that question, then they decided to pursue it more extensively.
Uh huh, Oh, that's all you're gonna say. I cannot give
you data percentages, you know. All I'm just saying is that the people
on our research team knew that that has been happening. We actually have two
members of our Board of directors that can elaborate on that, but that's very
specific to them, and no one will as long as they publicly talk about
it, no one will ever know about that. But there are two members
of our board that have had that experience, okay, and plus people have
heard about it. The researchers have heard about it over and over again through
the work that they do. But it's just not something that's studied, something
that's not mentioned. There's no data on it. No one has ever asked
any questions on it because they're most of the studies have been on abductees,
you know, and that question has never been asked. Okay, So we
did ask that question our study. So for the first time we actually got
real data. Wow. And let me just tell you the responses that we
got. Everybody, these eyeballs popped out. Now. I want to get
back to a question I asked you in the last hour, and that is
the word that I'm hearing all the time, and I heard it many times
this weekend at the conference, and that is the word download. I got
a download. Grant Cameron had a download. He was on recently everyone's talking
about downloads, And am I wrong to say that? I haven't heard people
talk about this like a year ago, and all of a sudden, everybody's
talking about it. Well, let me tell you, you know, my
own experience. When I started talking about it, I called it an ET
telegram. I had no idea what a download was, you know, because
to me, it was a telegram because it was super fast, it was
instantaneous in my head. It's difficult to describe, you know, because you're
you're having this wheel here, but the information is instantaneous. It's not like
a voice. It's not like hey, Ray, you know, wake the
hell up, let me tell you something. Not pay attention, you know,
number one, blah blah blah, number two. No, it wasn't
like that. It's like an instant information going into your head. Okay,
and um and and again. You know, I'm not familiar with this terminology,
at least I wasn't terminology. So for the longest time, for a
year and a half, maybe two years, I called it an ET telegram.
Then I heard other people mentioning the word download, and I'm the only
one that's mentioning ET telegram. They don't know what the hell I'm talking about,
you know, so then I changed to download. Um, you know
that's what a lot of experiencers h and abductees, you know, because what
they talk about it. And again I don't want to give out statistics of
numbers, uh percentages of people that have had these quote unquote downloads. But
um, if I told you that it was a huge number, it's not
something that's that's not known publicly known. You know, if you go to
that conference, if you talk to Kathleen, if you talk to the nice,
if you talk to you know, all the individuals in our group,
they will tell you that it's a it goes hand in hand with the ET
contact phenomenon, and you a full related ET contact phenomena. You know,
you go to one of the cases, which I think is one of the
most outstanding cases ever, and it's those sixty two school children in Zimbabwe.
Oh, I need to tell you a story about that. Yeah, I'd
like to. I'd like to talk because talk about downloads. You know,
they all talk afterwards about you know, seeing visions of you know, we
better take care of the earth. Yeah, go ahead, what do you
have on that? Oh? Yeah, yeah, No, nobody knows about
this, Okay. My wife has a friend of hers. Her son was
a year ahead of my daughter in school, and because she lived at a
distance, she always hang out with my wife before it was time to pick
up her son. And then they became very good friends. And then you
know, they get together a lot, you know, for many social occasions.
So one day she was in the house and she overheard me speaking with
an experiencer, and she heard this word ufo, ufo, you know,
all over again. And there was someone in Spanish that we were talking,
okay, a Spanish speaking experiencer. So then after I hung up, she
goes, ray, I overheard you, you know, talking on your cell
phone, and you were talking about UFOs okay, and I think you even
mentioned someone that I've seen a ufo? What do you know about UFOs?
So then you know, I told her, okay, Now, we've never
spoken about this my wife. You know, my wife never speaks about this
to anyone. You know, a lot of our friends know about it,
but just out to you know, someone that's not an intimate, close friend.
We don't talk about this. So anyway, I started telling her about
our experiences, which you never heard of. My wife's and my daughter and
my experience. Then I started telling her about my group that we're doing the
free group, all the members in our group, and then she says,
oh my god, I've never mentioned this to anyone else. She was a
school teacher in rural Columbia, and she said it was like, um,
similar to Zimbabwe, which is rural, and it had little kids, you
know, like pre kindergarten kids all the way up to I think the eighth
grade. The kids were all of a sudden a ship landed on their property
at a distance, and these beings came out, three beings wow, tall,
small beings. And then she even described it what it looked like.
And I said, well, how do you know what they look like?
She said, well, the principle of the school and some of the other
teachers and I in my own class had my kids to do the drawings.
Okay, And this case is not you don't hear about this case. Probably
no one talks about it. Joe Hell's going to talk about it, you
know, if you're this lady, you're going to talk about it. If
you one of the teachers there, you're going to talk about it. Of
course not you know, well, it seems. It seems like if there's
enough people that witnessed something like this. She came to my house today,
Martin, and I told her, I'm going to get you on video,
even if you have to turn your back, you know, for you to
say in Spanish, which is her native language, and for us to translate
it later. And she said, yes, I'll do it, you know,
and then we could get the full story. And she even mentioned,
you know, more or less the date, and it was like either a
year or before after the John Mac incident. I forgot exactly, but in
the video she could tell it. She knows the city. I said,
do you have any contact with any of those teatures? She said, well,
maybe one that I've I kept in contact with over the years, but
I haven't spoken with this person in many many years. And I said,
do you know any of the children, and she says, no, you
know, because I haven't lived in that city in many many years. So
then you know what I did. I went straight to the YouTube and I
showed her John Mac and this woman's eyeballs popped out. Okay, she saw
the drawings that the kid did. She says, oh my god, it's
almost the exact drawings that these kids drew. And that's that was when I
answered about the drawings, you know, because she said that they actually invited
the parents of the kids to come in and that's when they had these discussions.
Wow, you know. Um uh, she discussed it in her room,
you know. But she described it that her kids in her class were
the toddlers, the kids that were you know, four years old, five
years old, and the kid the kindergarten kids, you know, but that
almost all the kids were out in recess, so even the older kids saw
it. It's almost identical. Now here's another thing in Australia. I asked
Mary Rodwell and some of our folks in Australia. They said that the same
incident happened in Australia where our craft landed. These Grays came out. I
think it was Grays. I don't want to misspeak here, but goodness,
I think it was in the mid seventies two. Maybe that's what it was.
You probably know more about it than I do. Huh. Well,
we had we had Shane I'm trying to think of his last name. That
it's the main lead researcher on that. Oh yeah, that it was very
similar. There's a lot of similarities to that, except I don't believe they
saw beings, but I'm not positive. I can't say that for sure.
You know. All I know is that I spoke with a couple of folks.
They said that that a craft did appear. I think it actually landed,
yes, and that it was seen by the school kids. In terms
of details, I don't remember. But this lady, um, you know,
she was here for like maybe you know, an hour and a half
speaking with my wife, and we had a quick chat, and I like,
you know, um, you know, told her, like, you
know, jokingly, I said, look, we got to schedule this day,
you know, and even if you got to turn your back, you
know, we'll do it. It just says sure, you know. Um,
so I just I've just been so busy, but definitely it's I need
to do that. Yeah. Does she speak English as well? Very broken
in English. That's too bad. I would love to have someone like that,
But again, you know, she's the type that she doesn't, you
know, want to come out publicly and open you know. Yeah, right,
But I've had one person on here so far in one hundred and sixty
six shows. That was anonymous one else. You know, I mean,
I'm open to doing something like that because I think I had story needs to
come out. I really like, I'm definitely gonna do it. She's let
me describe her. I would say she's in her early fifties. Um,
she's a single parent that lives with her mother. Has her son is I
think he's like fourteen years old now, you know, and they're they're friends
of the family now. And it's like out of the blue. And I
said, you know, have you ever had any interest in you have always
any teas and stuff like that, And she says, no, But I
am, you know, a spiritual person. You know. She was asking
me questions about the Cabala and stuff like that because I believe she is Jewish,
and she was asking me, you know, some questions about it.
I told her, you know, I had read Stump some stuff about it,
but I don't know too much. And she says, she's just starting
to get into it to try to learn it. But you know, she
is a you know, a spiritual person, believes in God. But she's
someone that doesn't want any of this, you know publicized. M to skip
around a little bit because we have a question up on the message board,
and that's going all the way back to where your wife and the dog were
taken. You know the first did you think to look for any type of
trace evidence? I mean, did that even cross your mind? Well,
we looked at the wall and I did call Moufon. Moufon came after we
had our third major experience up a series of experiences. The first series was
inside our house. The second one was my wife having you know, the
experiences outside the house with that craft and in Mexico. So outside the house
it was a huge gigantic craft that she saw. And so after the experience
that I had with my daughter and these three witnesses, I said, man,
I gotta call Moufon because I was already was a Moufon member at that
time, because I could have sworn that thousands of people had seen this thing,
because it to me, it seemed like it went straight back. We
have a highway like two or three blocks away, Okay, So I could
have put my last dollar that the end of that craft was above that highway.
So I called Moufan. They had this lady Mary Margaret zimmer Uh that
that came on board. She used to be the assistant director for Florida Moufon
and she had worked with experiences for many, many years, I learned later
on. So she came and she did a report. Um. I don't
believe she talked with my daughter. I'm not quite sure. UM. And
she didn't even interview the other three witnesses UM to the event, She says,
I think mainly spoke with my wife and I, UM and UM.
And then what happened was a Hanger One did a show on my Moufon report
and it was totally fabrications. Oh, you know, I have to I
have to say. I hope, I don't. I don't hope. I
don't upset anyone out there. I've actually been watching Hanger One on YouTube.
There's some shows and I like it. But I also want to say something
about that show, and that is they present things as if they're fact.
Uh it was it was. It was. It was lies that they stated.
For example, they had my wife quoting like it was that she was
scared that we were uh this foreign you know, evil or nasty entity entered
into a house and stuff. No, my wife sees them and angels.
They had this craft going through the wall and my wife seeing it. My
wife never saw that first craft that she saw going through the wall because she
was gone, she was taken. Okay, they had me down there with
her seeing the craft going through the wall. That's a complete fabrication. Um.
They didn't even uh write down what I saw that plasma being. They
had nothing about the dog being returned miraculously healed. They had nothing about seems
like that would be an exciting part of the story. Oh no, No,
they didn't even have the proper craft that my wife saw. They had
the picture that I drew that my wife drew, and I drew about the
craft that I saw the plasma being. They had it all on the Hangar
one, but they didn't even discuss it. And then they had it as
a triangle craft. They had They must have paid a good money of this
graphic artist doing a triangle craft. My wife never described the triangle craft.
She described a very very three hundred foot long cylinder type of craft with colors
at the edges. You know, that was not what was drawn in this
move on Hangar one. They didn't even include the drawings that we had done
with five witnesses of that huge craft that we saw outside our house. They
didn't even discussed that he mentioned it. Um, so it was a total
fabrication and distortion. Did I just hear the ghost of the Jack Russell barking?
Oh no, that's how we have a poodle? Now Jack Russell died?
That was that was mean of me. I'm sorry, but she had
a good quality of life for that last year that she lived. No,
that's that is really an amazing story. UM. Can you throw out we
have all I don't know, maybe about ten minutes or so, and can
you throw out a couple of sample questions? Is that something you can find
quickly? Short? Let me go M to phase one? Just a couple
of sample questions. I won't give you the answers to the details, but
it's basically, well, while you're looking right now, okay, go ahead?
Then okay, have you seen an intelligence and an intelligently control craft in
the sky or on the ground that was not man made? Another question?
Did other witnesses also see the craft? M? Now, let me just
tell you if you see your craft, the majority have had witnesses. Okay,
Now another question? Have you heard telepathic messages? An internal voice in
your head speaking to you? Um? And again we associate this with the
contact experience. Another question, Grant, This is a Grant Cameron's favorite question.
Do you believe that you possess information about advanced technology, advanced physics,
or other scientific information that you've never received? M Okay, now here's the
link. Besides that, if you talk to all these richer researchers, all
of them will state that they have had a good many of them. Again,
I can't give you numbers that have actually gotten physics downloads, science downloads,
things that these are non physicists, people have no idea. These are
the hillbillies, you know, uneducated folks that all of a sudden they're talking
about, you know, gravity and this time exists and things like that sort
of you know, this is really something you know. And I mentioned earlier
about the al Gash abductions. Yeah, and I'm trying to get and hopefully
I'm going to get Jack Weener on. I had his brother, Jim,
and Charlie faults on, which as you know, would be three out of
the four of them. But Jack Weener had no math background at all.
And the reason one of the reasons I want to get him on is because
he came so mathematically. Yeah, deficients. Yeah, you know what,
I'm trying to say that he I think he actually did some work for NASA
on stuff. Let me give you a response to that question. That's another
question that our researchers eyeballs pop out. Okay, how people answer to that
question? And after December first I can give you the results of that.
But it's you know, it's seldomly talked about, but yet we address it
in our free questionnaire. Again, these all questions. The first questionnaire another
question, have you experienced out of body experiences? Okay? Again eyeball popping
questions? Can you see energy or aoras around people? Okay? Have you
had some kind of healing done on you by these non human intelligent beings?
Do you believe that you have observed a non human intelligent entity? And then
we go into the descriptions of the various entities that people have seen. We
have categories for short, gray, tall grade, hybrid, insectoid, reptilian,
human looking spirit form, small animal type, large animal type, energy
being. Then we even describe how can you describe your interactions with this being?
And we go into you know, positive negative neutral, both positive negative,
you know, et cetera, et cetera. So, um, those
is just a sample of some of the questions. For example, how many
times did they interact with this non human intelligent being? And again it was
eye popping hunt. How many times people have had these interactions? The vast
majority have been more than twenty, you know, percent wise in terms of
the grouping categories that we had. Let me go into phase two. Some
of the questions that phase two okay, um uh, do you ever recall
being on an ET craft or a ship? Have you ever been relocated to
another location? And that includes you know, perceived abductions and being relocated but
not perceiving to be abductions. So we asked it in a much more broader
way, Uh, did you ever have an ET contact experience in a three
D reality like here on Earth? Have you ever had an near death experience?
Okay, have you ever seen have you ever seen small and less than
one foot in diameter colored orbs? And if so, where did you see
them? And we had different categories of where people might see them. We
also had a question about orbs going through through doors, through windows, through
physical objects, you know. We talked about the alien breeding program, We
talked about implants, We talked about, how do you believe ets in general
or Battom or eleven are evil? Do the ets have a personality? Have
any of these ET's been playful with you? Okay? Do you believe that
you have formed some type of an agreement with these ets? Have you ever
had a my lab? We had We have like maybe ten my lab related
questions. We have like maybe twenty abduction related questions. We have various questions
about, you know, breeding programs, about implants, a lot of questions
about implants. We asked questions. For example, let me give you a
question here. Do you believe that there is a connection between the ets and
the paranormal? Do you believe that there is a connection between the ets and
the spirit world after death or heaven? Okay, let me see. Let
me go into the last question here because that's very very important here. How
would you categorize your last few eat extraterrestrial encounter experiences? Okay? And then
we had this choice, Okay, this is the last few. We're not
talking about the initial because we also had a question about the initial initial and
it was highly negative, slightly negative, neutral, slightly positive, and highly
positive. Again, we've had a total of seven hundred and fourteen individuals that
answered that question. Wow, Hey, just to let you know, we
have someone in the chat room that is lives right by Westfall. We were
talking earlier about the Australia incident. Yes, and he just clarified that the
most factual part of it is that the craft landed in a wooden area near
the school and a few, very few kids followed it. There were no
beings seen at that time. But it's still it's still a really great case.
And I believe they put a monument up for Yeah, I think there
was a monument. They gave me a photo of money, but in my
case, there was a craft. It was seen by tons of children.
The children were asked to make drawings and independently speak to the individual school teachers
and then as a group about their experiences. Their parents were called in and
they spoke with their parents about these experiences in front of them, right and
um, so um, now we only have we only have just a little
bit over a minute here, yes, so um uh you're how are you
going to get the word out? That's what I want to know. How
are you going to get the word out about this? The report once December
first rolls rolls along. Well, we have again everyone, it's experiencer dot
org, which is our website org and we're going to be publicly releasing it
to our website. UH that's soon to be developed. We're going to be
going on tons of radio shows to give discussions like we've been having. You
will get the data beforehand in pedia files. And we have requested to speak
at the International UFO Conference. We have requested to speak at Contact in the
Desert and doctor edgar Mitchell did send those formal requests to Alejandro Rojas and to
UM mister Andrew who coordinates Contact in the Desert UM. And we would like
to be able to be in divide to be invited uh, not only to
UFO and paranormal related type of conferences, but also you know, to universities,
uh, to psychological associations UM, to NASA engineering you know associations,
Uh you name it. Because uh, this is way beyond ufology. UH.
Ufology is one little tiny uh you know grouping here. What we're doing
in our study goes way beyond ufology. It deals with the total reality of
what's going on. And uh uh with with this uh UFOs and and Contact
experience, so it deals with the whole world. All right, Well,
thanks so much. I really appreciate it. There's a lot of fun.
Thank you so much, Martin once again, Experiencer dot Org. Very good.
Okay, everyone, So I'd like to thank a few people for helping
out with the show. We have Keith Roland, he's the chief bottle washer
of the network here, I think that's what he said he was for producing
the audio part of it. Alejandro Rojas for the news early on. I
also want to thank our guests, of course, Ray Hernandez and Peggy Shunning
for managing the Facebook page. She's been under the weather. Hopefully she'll be
back soon. And music carry Lloyd Whitehouse, Bruce, We're near. We'll
be back next week, same time with Mark o'cononell. Remember don't play any
games or trying to support the show for anymore because I have to figure all
that out. So we'll be back next week right here on the Dark Matter
Digital Network. Thanks a lot, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.