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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, this

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is Cliff. How you doing.
I hope you're doing well today. This

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is the beginning of a three part
series called an Alien Experience, and we've

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been talking a lot about off world
types. We've had doctor av Lobe here

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looking for probes. We've had evidence
of civilizations on Mars. We've even had

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discussions on some of the latest images
from Air Force fighters taking pictures of UAPs

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UFOs. We've had some information from
former intelligence officers working for the Department of

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Defense discussing alien craft in the possession
of our government of the United States,

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and evidence of the bodies of the
pilots of these vehicles. A while ago,

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we had a NASA astronomer talking about
his experience taking images of UAPs UFOs

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in his area of southern California.
And up until now, we've talked about

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disclosure first contact, what that means
in a hypothetical setting. Today we're talking

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about something entirely different. We're talking
about Earth humans who have had face to

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face contact with civilizations from other planets. In the late nineteen eighties, there

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was a group of people who were
experiencing contact with ets extraterrestrials. We didn't

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know about it until authors like Bud
Hopkins, who wrote a book called Intruders,

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doctor John Mack who wrote a book
called Abductions Human Encounters with Aliens,

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and also another author named David Jacobs
who wrote a book called Secret Life.

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These three authors were among the leaders
in the movement of alien abductions that seemed

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to be prevalent in the late nineteen
eighties into the nineteen nineties, and by

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what they described were people who had
been contacted by aliens and put into a

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trance or sedated and brought into UFOs
or UAPs. Today, what's unique about

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these individuals is that they were in
some cases given complete physicals, and within

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those physicals, skin was removed,
hair follicles, semen, blood saliva.

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At first, it seemed like these
were just simple tests to determine the type

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of human they were dealing with.
But as time went on and these people

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were interviewed, many of the women
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they were impregnated, and here we
get into a whole different type of interaction

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where the people who are experiencing this
phenomenon are being subjected to experiments without their

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consent, and many times these events
were traumatizing, and most of the cases

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that are featured in the books that
I've mentioned, the individuals were sedated to

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the point where they didn't remember what
had happened, and the only evidence of

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their events was the fact that they
had scoop marked in their skin from the

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devices that took skin samples. They
had pain, and in the case of

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many of the women, they became
pregnant and had all the signs of a

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pregnancy, menstreul cycles, ending morning
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a pregnancy. A number of people
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It doesn't seem likely, but there
are speculations. There's a lot of theories

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that there is an agreement with the
government and these aliens to choose certain people

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to abduct and to run experiments on. Now, this doesn't sound very positive

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at all, And today we're going
to hear from one of these abductees who

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actually had a number of visits and
interactions with what are known as grays.

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These are small beings with large heads
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tall. This is the typical gray
alien. We'll get into more about where

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they come from their vehicles later in
the program, but the important aspect of

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these contacts is that they are directed
at specific individuals, and apparently it's been

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going on for decades or if not
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don't know why. Sometimes these people
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these tests and impregnated what can only
be considered hybrid children. These are children

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that are part alien and part human. Today we're going to hear from an

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abductee whose life has been altered because
of these contacts. I haven't mentioned this

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abduction phenomenon until now, but in
the late nineteen nineties I was the program

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director for a national conference called Whole
Life Expo I featured by Hopkins, doctor

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John Mack, and later David Jacobs. This was years ago. This was

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almost twenty five years ago that these
authors were around. Now David Jacob is

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the only one who's still alive.
Doctor John Mack passed away as well as

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as well as Bud Hopkins. But
this phenomenon is still happening. We don't

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hear about it because it's not being
reported in the same manner that these three

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authors reported this phenomenon. So I
want you to listen closely to my guest

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today, and in the coming weeks
we'll have two additional guests that make up

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the series an Alien Experience. So
this is happening. We are experiencing contact

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with off world beings, and it's
important to be open to this information,

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to listen careful to the experience that
these people have and determine if this is

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a evolutionary process that's going on,
or determine whatever you feel is the end

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result of these contacts. So my
guest today is Deborah Jordan Cobbole and the

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program is Extraordinary Contact. I discovered
the whole alien abduction UFO et visitation phenomenon

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as a program director for Whole Life
Expo in the nineteen nineties. I don't

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want to say ninety six is when
I started. Ninety seven, and at

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that time the only way we knew
about this phenomenon was through people like Bud

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Hopkins, David Jacobs, and the
brilliant doctor John Mack. I was fortunate

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enough to have all three of them
on a number of different shows here in

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San Francisco, but of the three, Bud Hopkins became my favorite, and

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Bud would join me when we would
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Seattle, in Chicago, and then
he would come back to San Francisco quite

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regularly. And he was noted for
a number of books, but the most

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noted for me was Intruders. And
this book outlined a series of individuals who

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he actually keyed on, and he
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and really I think was the figurehead
of the phenomenon of alien abductions. Now,

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my guest today is featured in his
book Intruders, but he protect her.

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He called her Kathy Davis and gave
her this name because he didn't want

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her to be overwhelmed. And also
I don't think at the time she was

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prepared for what he was unveiling on
her. On her, But I'm honored

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to have Deborah Jordan Cabal, otherwise
known as Kathy Davis as my guest today.

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And she has written a new book
called Extraordinary Contact Life Beyond Intruders,

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where she actually goes through specifics of
not only the contact phenomenon, but you're

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going to get an earfull today.
She has been going through what can only

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be considered normal phenomenon for a number
of years, and it's hard to know

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if this is all connected or not, but I have really wanted to have

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her on the program, and it
so happens that I met her at a

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local UFO con conference here last year, and I said, Deborah, we

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got to get you on the podcast
because we want to hear more about it.

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So, Hey, deb welcome to
Destiny. Great to see you,

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Great to see you again, clip
thanks for inviting me. I want to

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ask you, Roff, off the
top of your head, though, do

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you do these conferences like on a
regular basis because you're in where are you,

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by the way, where you located. I'm in Indiana. You're in

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Indiana. So to come out in
San Francisco, that's not that's like five

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four or five hours and then sit
behind your you know, do your talk

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and then sit down and citing some
books. You have to have a passion

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to want to do that. Well
I do. I don't do it very

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often. You know. I've been
involved in this whole phenomenon, you know,

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in public for about forty years now, believe it or not. I

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can't believe it's been forty years since
the incident that sparked intruders. But and

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I've never really been one to like
to be I don't know, I'm like

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one of those people that likes to
sit in the back and listen and watch,

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you know. But I do feel
compelled every now and then I get

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asked. In the past, I
got asked more than I do now because

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but it's been forty years. There's
a lot of people that have no idea

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who I am, don't even know
who Bud is. There's a whole new

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generation in this field now. So
I'd get asked in about fifty percent of

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time or more. I say no, thank you. I just don't feel

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comfortable, you know, whatever happens
to be going on in life. But

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every now and then I feel kald, like something tells me I need to

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go do this because there's somebody there
I either need to meet or needs to

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hear something that I'm going to say
that's going to help them, you know.

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So I follow that instinct. This
year, actually I did two things.

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I did the thing in San Francisco, and then I went to Michigan

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and I spoke at the Michigan UFO
con up there. So I mean two

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things in one year that's unheard of
for me. I worked in automotive factory

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for fifteen years and I had,
like, you know, I had two

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weeks vacation every year, but one
of them I had to hope for the

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July shutdown. So technically I literally
had one week a year I could do

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something with, So, you know, was that limited me? Also?

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You know, I wanted to It
was funny because I had followed Bud and

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Jacobs and we had mac on and
then his untimely death years ago, of

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course, but at the time,
it was like, was this alien abduction

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in virtual fertilization program a one stop
or is it still going on? And

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it seems to me and this conference
helped me, and you helped me understand

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this is not stop. This phenomenon
is still going on. And the curious

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thing about it is and you write
about a little bit about this in your

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book. Government seems to know something, but we just don't know what because

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they don't want to say we don't
know. I mean, there's so much

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that is happening. What do you
say about the phenomenon now? Well,

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I think there's a lot of things
going on all around this, and you

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know, life has a way of
distracting you from the obvious. A lot

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of times you get caught up in
life and things happen around you you don't

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notice, and then then there's things
like the June thirty eighty three thing that

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happened that you can't help but notice. And obviously I believe that the governments

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of the world have noticed, and
I think they know a lot more than

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they speak of. I mean,
but I can say, you know,

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here in the last few years,
I've heard more come from our government than

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I've heard in all the years before
that that at least they acknowledge there's something

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they don't They say they don't know
what it is. I kind of feel

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like they might. They're still not
talking about the abduction acts aspect of it

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all. That still seems to be
kind of taboo. But I do believe

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they are full aware of it.
And you know, I think there's a

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lot of different agendas, a lot
of different things going on, and there's

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a lot of different agendas going on. And because I've heard a lot of

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different things from different people over the
years, I can only speak about my

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own personal experience. But I did
have one experience where I I had memories

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of being taken to a place which
I was taken to this place by a

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guy I was newly dating, and
it ended up being a kind of a

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weird nightmare about going to some kind
of hospital, being taken by people,

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not aliens, but people to some
weird hospital that I felt was like under

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the ground, because I felt like
I was going down when I couldn't see.

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I was blindfolded. And I remember
the man. I remember his face,

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and I remember his accent that he
had, and I will never forget

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it. He was an older man, probably in the sixties. He had

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a ruddy face, he had white
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he had a very deep southern draw
and he told me that he didn't know

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why he was bothering to even to
tell me any of this because I wouldn't

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remember it anyway. And I said, I will always remember this, and

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then I was out, and the
next thing I remember is I'm waking up

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in my friend's cottage at the lake. So I mean, but these were

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people, and that was a that
was a one time thing. I've never

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had that before. I've never had
that since. But and I've had some

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strange people knock on my door.
One time, I had a man nice

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dress suit, knock on my door
in the middle of the day and he

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told me that he'd gotten my address
from Bud, which I immediately knew that

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was not true. Oh you're right
about this. No, yeah, And

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you know, he just had one
question to ask me, and then I

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answered him because I don't I don't
care. But I've always been you know,

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if you want to know, ask
me if I know, I'll tell

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you. If I don't, I'll
tell you I don't know, But don't

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sneak around behind me and try to
be y all spooky and I don't mind

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that. Yeah, So you know, I've had a couple of weird experiences

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with people. But I want to
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the books based on an event June
thirtieth, nineteen eighty three. But before

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we talk about that, I want
to go back because you outline a number

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of encounters with off world types,
and you specifically talk about an encounter in

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April of nineteen seventy eight when two
grays came into your bedroom. Talk a

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little bit about that you were,
how old at that time and what was

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the circumstance I was. I believe
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believe I was eighteen or nineteen.
I think eighteen. A new just got

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married that April. I had just
gotten married, and my husband and I

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were living in an attic apartment in
the downtown Indianapolis. And it was not

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a dream, I insisted to you. And I woke my husband up the

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next day and told him, you
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bed. He was asleep next to
me and had his back to me,

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and I was awakened by these two
things that were kind of appearing in my

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bedroom at the foot of my bed, and they came toward the foot of

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my bed, and I remember sitting
up and thinking, oh my god,

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don't touch me like that. Just
terrified instinct that you immediately want to think,

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you know. And I and again
husband lay next to me, never

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never moved, and at some point
in this encounter, one of them had

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a black box in his hands,
about the size of a shoe box,

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I think, and I either had
a red light in it on top of

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it, you know, where I
could see the red light or inside it

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coming out, but there was a
red light on top and it just kind

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of floated over towards me. Because
once I had that panic, and I

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was sitting up. Then I suddenly
I was not afraid anymore, and I

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don't know why. I just this
calmness came over me. And I remember

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saying to this thing, what is
you know? What is this? Can

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I have this? Can I keep
this? And he said no, but

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you'll remember what it is and how
do you use it, you know,

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when you see it again. And
then he took it back and then they

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kind of just backed away and dissolved
out of the room. These are classic

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gray descriptions, So give us a
sense of what that is. About three

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feet high, a little bit maybe
a little bit taller than that. I'm

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five foot two, okay, so
I mean they weren't terribly much. I'm

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going to say maybe four feet tall
or something like that. The bulbous head,

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big black eyes. They had black
whatever they were wearing was black from

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head to toe, from neck to
you know, foot. Well, as

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far as I know, all I
could see was black. I don't even

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remember seeing feet actually, But they
and they both moved in unison toward me

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like they were one unit, but
only one of them spoke, the one

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closer to me. Okay. They
had kind of a pale color, skin,

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a small chin, big black eyes
that were real, like I always

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said, they were like liquidity,
and they they would like catch all the

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light in the room and throw it
back at you, kind of mesmerizing in

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that way. Yeah. But and
I don't remember speaking words. I don't

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remember using my mouth. I don't
remember seeing them use the mouth. But

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I knew what they were saying.
I knew they were talking to me,

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and I was speaking to them in
the same way. I don't really telepathically

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thinking. I was thinking that at
them. Yeah, and they but it

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was like speaking, it was speaking. Yes, it was weird. But

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so they took their box back,
they slid back away from my bed,

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and they just kind of dissolved.
They got skinny, and just poof,

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they were gone. So what would
you say the full time? Was it

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like ten minutes? Was it five
minutes? Or hard to say because they

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kind of been time, So it's
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no idea how long they were there. I can't really even guess the whole

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scenario. As I tell it,
that doesn't seem like more than a few

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minutes, but I'm not sure.
Anyway, as soon as they're gone,

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I'm moving, and I remember rolling
over and shoving Charlie and saying, wake

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up, wake up, you gotta
get up. You got to hear this.

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And he would not wake up no
matter what I did, and I

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got frustrated. And then I got
very tired, and I thought, oh

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well, and I slid down in
the bed and I went to sleep,

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which I also I also realized,
sounds bizarre, but I did. I

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just laid down and fell asleep.
But when I woke up the next morning,

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I remembered all of it. I
mean, it was so. I

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was so, I was amped up. So when Charlie was up, I

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was telling him, you're not going
to believe what happened in our room last

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night. I tried to wake you
and you wouldn't wake up. And I

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was telling him, and I remember
him laughing at me. He's like,

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what what did He says, what
did you eat for dinner last night?

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Because you might not want to eat
that anymore? Yeah, And I'm like

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whatever he thought. He you know, he's like, you said a dream,

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and I'm like, it was not
a dream, dude, I'm telling

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you, it was not a dream. So I called my mother because she

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always was more uh, supportive,
you know, of all of us kids.

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I called my mom and I told
her about it, and she's like,

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yeah, that's weird, you know. She didn't really say, oh,

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come on, that's that can't be
real or anything. But years and

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years later, when Bud came to
the house for the first time and to

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start the investigation after he answered my
letter, one of the things he asked

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my mom and dad and other family
members is can you remember other weird things?

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And my mom told him, oh, yeah. When she called me

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the next morning, she was adamant
that it was not a dream. She

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was wide awake and it, you
know, so she remembered it. She

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remembered it when I called and everything. Okay, I still don't know what

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the black box was for. I
don't know if I saw it again or

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not. So, you know,
even though this being is saying you'll be

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able to use it, you never
fought he never followed up and gave it

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to you on any of the subsequent
encounters. No, that's strange that maybe

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it's going to come it's coming up. I don't know. I'm still here,

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you know, hopefully I'll be around
a little while longer, so I

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want to talk before we get into
this eighty three incident. I want to

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talk about the strange life that you
have, the paranormal activities. One of

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the things that John Mack chronicles in
his early book Abduction is the fact that

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it seems like this is a generational
phenomenon that the parents, the grandparents,

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and the people before that may have
had contact in some way or another.

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Is that something that your mother has
talked about. Has she seen anything to

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the level that you have. Has
your grandmother and previous relatives had any kind

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of phenomenon that's similar to what you've
dealt with. Well, I did not

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know it at the time, but
then when Bud came and was talking to

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everybody, my mom mentioned, Now, my mother was adopted when she was

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two, so we don't really know
anything about her, you know, her

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blood family, we don't know much
about them, and of course my parents

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are both gone now. But she
did tell Bud that what she remembered once

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when she was very young, playing
in the woods and being chased by a

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little boy with big brown eyes,
and for some reason she was afraid of

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him, and she didn't know why, and she remembered chase being chased by

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him and yeah, I think Bud
might have asked her, did you want

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to explore that in hypnotherapy, and
she was perhaps, no, thank you,

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so, but I didn't even Yeah, I didn't even know that.

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I didn't even know anything about that. Mom hadn't mentioned that. Of course,

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my older sister, she's eleven years
older than me, she had an

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experience in sixty five where she was
actually fully conscious and picked up. She

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took Mom to bingo one night one
afternoon, dropped Mom off at the bingo

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game, and then felt compelled to
pull into the church parking lot down the

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road from where she'd dropped Mom off, and she pulled in, went to

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the back of the This was in
the daylight too, in Indianapolis again,

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and she said, when she got
back to the parking lot in the back,

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she looked up and there was this
giant ufo over her car, right

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over her car, and it literally
picked her whole car up with her in

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it. And then the next thing
she remembers is being waking up in her

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car in the parking lot. That
thing is gone, but it's dark,

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and not only is it dark,
but several hours had passed and it's time

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to pick Mom up. From the
bingo game. So she goes, yeah,

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this was in nineteen sixty five,
and she talked about this. When

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you know, me and my brother
and sister, my little brother and sister,

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we heard her and we just assumed
that that, you know, was

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something that happened to people. We
didn't know how, you know, extraordinary

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and unusual it was. And then
my dad always claimed that he was psychic,

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you know, my my grandma always
said that my dad was psychic.

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But and then of course my two
kids had some strange things happened to them

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when they were little at the house
that the June thirty, eighty three incident

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happened. And just recently, after
all these years, I got a text

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message or an email from my cousin, my first cousin that I hadn't spoken

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to in years, who said that
he had seen me on a television show

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or something, or on a podcast
telling the story about the Mark of the

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art, and he just wanted to
tell me that I wasn't the only one

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in the family who had seen strange
things, and that he was proud of

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me for speaking up, and he
was proud that I was his cousin and

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carry on, Oh my god,
and I was like, what you never

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told me? What are you doing? Yeah? I apparently had conversations with

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my father about the mark in the
art and about other things you know that

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I wasn't aware of. He's a
few years older than me, so and

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our families kind of spread out,
so we're not super close, you know.

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But that was shocking. I was
surprised. Okay, so that's interesting.

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So there is some connection. Mom
doesn't want to go under hypnosis to

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really find out what's going on.
I don't blame her. I don't know.

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I mean, it's kind of nerve
wracking. If you can avoid it,

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you probably should. We need to
let people know that what we're about

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to describe and your physical encounters are
not sanctioned by you. In other words,

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you're not signing a piece of paper
or agreeing to this. You're being

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forced into these encounters. And this
is why the term abduction is used unless

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you have another description for it.
I think that's the term abduction and unsanctioned.

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No, I was not looking for
it, no way. One question

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before we get into this June event, is there one being that you see

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over and over again, kind of
somebody who maybe as a young person came

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into your reality and said, hi, you know, I'll be back,

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or was always there to kind of
comfort you even though you're going through these

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horrific procedures. Every time I had
a contact with these grays, there was

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one who seemed familiar to me,
whom I could feel something from, you

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know, like an energy or a
vibe, like when you're with a person.

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And then there were a bunch that
just were like blanks, like I

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never I got I never got any
you know, feelings of anything from any

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of the other ones. But there
was always this one, and he always

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felt like the same one. I
wouldn't be able to tell any of them

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part truthfully, And I also wouldn't
even be able to tell whether they were

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male or female. I mean,
they were all the same, but kind

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of asexual. Perhaps we know no, but this there was always that one

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that felt familiar, and I don't
know. Maybe it was to make me

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feel more comfortable and allow things to
happen. I don't know. Okay,

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So what we know of grays from
the various land I don't think anyone has.

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I mean, we've seen pictures of
them. We don't know if they're

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cgi or whatever. These are beings
from another planetary system. Obviously they're gray.

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Do they seem intelligent? I mean, obviously they're intelligent. Do they

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seem like they are biological? Do
you do you think that they are robots?

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What do you describe them as best
you can from your memory, because

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there's a lot of talk that grays
are manufactured beings and that they're they're not

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actual, you know self, They're
not born, they're created, is what

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I hear. So, you know
what, I don't know your impression.

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My impression was I thought they were
alive because they were moving around and doing

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stuff like a live body, you
know. But I don't even know if

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they're from another planet. Uh,
there are the things I've seen, and

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once I have think about it,
it's like that, you know, they

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might be from another dimension, you
know, or time travelers, or live

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right here on this planet in some
other place we don't see, like the

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bottom of the ocean or something.
I don't, you know, I don't

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know where they come from. Uh, they look like they're alive to me,

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but I don't know for sure.
Uh there's we build androids now that

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look pretty dang real, you know. I mean, you can still tell

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their robots, but they look pretty
close and we're not going to get anywhere,

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but better doing that as time passes. So I mean, who's to

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say that that they, you know, didn't make some helpers and their own

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image, you know, like we
are doing. I don't know. I

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mean that's just my opinion or my
observation. But I mean they seem to

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be able to ben our physics and
science and pass through walls and materialize and

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deed materialize, and we don't have
anything close to that. So obviously they

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are from some reality or world that
has very advanced science. When you say,

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yeah, I would think they maybe
it's their science is just different.

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Maybe our our physics, our science
doesn't work where they live, you know,

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so you feel they could be earthbound
in some capacity, maybe some of

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them. I don't think it's out
of the realm of possability that there's stuff

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living on this planet we haven't encountered
yet. And if they're anywhere smart and

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they've observed us and how we treat
each other, they're very smart to day,

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oh right, wherever they're at and
not interact, I wouldn't good.

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God, But you know that's a
different show. Okay, let's set the

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stage for this encounter. June thirtieth, nineteen eighty three. Why don't you

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give us the background and let us
give us the facts. I was living

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with my parents at the time.
I was a single mom and I had

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two little boys. I was preparing
to go and cut some patterns out for

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a friend of mine who's the seemstress
to live the street behind us. I

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was standing at the kitchen sink looking
out the window, washing my hands,

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ready to leave, and I noticed
the light in the pump house at the

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swimming pool. Mom and dad had
a big swimming pool in the backyard.

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We called it the cement pond,
like the Beverly Hill billyge you know esther

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William Pool. And I had a
pretty good sized pumphouse next to it.

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And the light was on inside the
door was open, and I thought,

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that's wrong. Something isn't right here. And I mentioned it to my mom

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and she didn't seem to be concerned
about it. Dad was working second shift

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at the ford plant there, and
she said he'll get it when he gets

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home, so I didn't. I
went ahead and got in my car,

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and right before I left, I
decided to go down the side drive to

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the back behind the swimming pool was
a turnaround and that's where my dad's workshop

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was. It was full of Indian
motorcycles and little British race cars that he

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restored. So there's a lot of
money back there. And I was thinking

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about burglars and prowlers and things like
that, not aliens. But I was

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concerned that I was going to leave
Mom and the kids there, so I

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thought i'd drive back through there and
just have a look real quick before I

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went. And I noticed at that
point the pedestrian door to the garage was

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open. This was garage attached to
the house and the house was a sandstone

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tri level. But instead of stopping, I just went ahead to dans.

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It took like two minutes and I
called her, called my mom, and

409
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.639
I said, hey, I noticed
the pedestrian door the garage was open.

410
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.960
I don't you know, I don't
know if you opened it or what.

411
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:30.920
She said, don't worry about it. Your dad will get it when he

412
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.960
gets home. And I'm like,
okay. So I hung up the phone

413
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.639
and she called right back right away. She called back and she said,

414
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.239
I need you to come home right
now, and she sounded scared, which

415
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:47.679
was not like my mom, because
my mom was not easily scared, and

416
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.360
I was a little upset by that. I'm like, why, what's going

417
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.480
on? And I know my friend's
husband heard me because he leaned over my

418
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.480
shoulder and he said, tell her
to call the police. That's what we

419
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.320
pay him for. And she heard
him and she said, no, I

420
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.400
don't want anyone here but you.
And I'm like, okay, I'll be

421
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.920
there in a minute. So I
told my friends, I'm gonna go check

422
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.760
it out and I'll be right back. So I went home and I pulled

423
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.679
that side drive again. At this
time, I parked and I got out,

424
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.440
and my mom met me at the
Florida door, the door of the

425
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.039
Florida and my dad built, and
I went in there and I grabbed the

426
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.880
shotgun that dad had next to the
trash compactor, and my mom says,

427
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.400
you know that's not loaded, right, And of course, when I moved

428
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.559
in there with the kids, I
had specifically asked please don't leave your loaded

429
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.800
shotguns around them, so I knew
it wasn't loaded. And I told her,

430
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.440
I said, I know it,
but they don't. Whoever's out there,

431
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.440
I can get close enough to them
to hit him. With them before

432
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.639
they figure it out. So you
know, to me, it was a

433
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.239
stick. But I went out there, and this is all out of character

434
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.159
for me as well, because I
was a young kid, you know,

435
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:58.480
twenty three, twenty four years old, not brave at all. I would

436
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.199
have never done that under any other
circumstances. Now I would, but back

437
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:07.960
then no. So I went out
looking around. I went back by the

438
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.519
workshop to make sure it was secure
and it was. I found my dog,

439
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:17.119
who had been in the garage under
dad's ladder truck and she would not

440
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.800
come out. I checked around the
pool, the pump house. Everything looked

441
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.480
normal. I walked across the yard
and I went to the pedestrian door of

442
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.760
the garage, and while I was
in there looking for someone, I suddenly

443
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.719
felt like I was My body was
on fire. It was like a hot

444
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.760
flash to the nth degree, and
my skins felt like I was burning.

445
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.559
And I remembered thinking, oh my
god, I got to get out of

446
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.960
here, and I turned to run
through the open pedestrian door, and when

447
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:52.800
I did, something hit me in
the chest like I guess solar plexus area,

448
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.719
you know, chest belly, and
it was like an intense ball of

449
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.199
light and it spread through my whole
body, and all I could see was

450
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.400
this intense white light, and I
could feel everything on me start to shake.

451
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.320
I could feel it was like a
it went from a shaking to a

452
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.760
vibrating to it felt like I was
actually coming apart, molecule by molecule,

453
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:20.039
like I could feel every molecule my
body vibrate, and I saw all I

454
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.599
could see was this intense whiteness everywhere, and I thought to myself, oh

455
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.360
my god, I'm dead. And
as soon as I thought that, it

456
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:37.360
stopped. And I have no idea
how long that went on or what condition,

457
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.719
you know, how long that condition
was. But when it finally stopped

458
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.119
and I could open my eyes,
I still couldn't move. But I realized

459
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:52.079
I was now outside the door,
on the cement patio, maybe twenty feet

460
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:58.480
or so, and or ten feet
when that big but I was outside.

461
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.559
I don't even I don't remember walking
from the doorway to the patio that I

462
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:09.199
could see movement in front of me
out in the yard, people walking around.

463
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.360
Then it was children. It looked
like little kids in the backyard,

464
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:19.079
coming from all different directions, and
they all kind of lined up over by

465
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.920
the driveway, to my left by
the swimming pool where the gate was,

466
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.400
and then they all just kind of
slid forward towards me, not at me,

467
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:36.000
but like in my direction, and
I still couldn't move. At one

468
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.840
point, I felt someone pulled down
on my shoulder from behind, but I

469
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:46.119
didn't see anybody, and I felt
this burning sensation in my ear, and

470
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.000
then I heard somebody say it was
unfortunate for me that I had felt pain,

471
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.920
but I couldn't see who said that. And I'm watching these little kids,

472
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.960
and I'm thinking, what are these
little kids doing in my mom and

473
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.320
dad's backyard, you know, what
the hell is going on? And as

474
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.400
I'm watching them, then I see
this ball of light about the size of

475
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.920
a basketball. It's about as high
up off the ground as I am I'm

476
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.679
five two, and it went down
real slow and then came back up,

477
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.360
and I felt like it was looking
at me, but I don't know why.

478
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.719
And that's when I noticed this egg
shaped craft for lack of a better

479
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.440
term, I don't know what it
was, and I don't even remember seeing

480
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.719
the kids go into it. I
don't even remember what happened to them.

481
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.480
I just as soon as I saw
that thing, it was like, you

482
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.480
know, you know, and I'm
like, I didn't want to look at

483
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.199
it, but I didn't not want
to look at it because I need to

484
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:46.599
know where it was and if it
was coming near me, you know,

485
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.599
and I don't It wasn't. It
was small. It wasn't much bigger than

486
00:41:53.599 --> 00:42:00.840
the pump house, and I estimated
maybe it was ten feet tall. Maybe

487
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.960
it was egg shaped. It was
egg shaped, and it had four long,

488
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.800
skinny things coming out the sides of
it, but I wouldn't say they

489
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.079
were legs because they didn't look strong
enough to support it any anyway. But

490
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:20.719
maybe I kind of thought maybe at
one point it wasn't completely on the ground,

491
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.960
because it kind of bobbled a little, wavered a little bit, but

492
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.559
it could, you know. So
I don't know if those things were supposed

493
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.079
to stabilize it or what. I
don't know. I'm just guessing in my

494
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.199
head because I don't know what any
of this is. But when I see

495
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.440
the little kids, I thought,
oh my god, my kids reminded me

496
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.159
that my kids were in the house
with my mother, and what the hell

497
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.400
is going to happen to them?
You know? And then I hear that

498
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:52.519
voice again that says your children are
fine. Well. The next thing I

499
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.320
remember, I hear my name being
called. And as soon as I heard

500
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.039
my name being called, it was
like somebody snapped their fingers and I woke

501
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.039
up and all this went away and
I could turn. I moved. I

502
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:07.360
remember turning towards the voice and walking
towards the steps up to the higher patio,

503
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.480
and there was my mother and she
kind of had her head hanging halfway

504
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:14.599
out the kitchen door, and she's
like, is everything okay? And I

505
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:19.000
said, yes, everything's cool.
But at that point no longer wanted to

506
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.400
go and cut out patterns. So
I called my friend and I'm like,

507
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.360
want to come over and go swimming
instead, and she's like sure. I

508
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.480
can't remember whether I went back and
got them where they I think they just

509
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:32.920
came over her and her daughter.
It was like thirteen or fourteen at the

510
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.800
time. So we all walked across
the yard got in the pool. I

511
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:42.800
forget everything I just told you.
All that was wiped away from my mind.

512
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.320
But I felt weird. I didn't
feel good, and by the time

513
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.639
we were all out in the pool
for ten minutes, we were all real

514
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.840
nauseated and my eyes started burning really
bad, and I started seeing halos around

515
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:59.280
all the lights outside. So they
went home and the next day I woke

516
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.840
up my eyes or swelled completely shut. So Mom took me to the emergency

517
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.280
room, and I don't know why, but for some reason, there was

518
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.599
actually an ophthalmologist in there, and
he says, I have an office across

519
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.400
the street. Can you take her
over there? I can examine her better

520
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.119
there I have the equipment. So
Mom took me over there, and the

521
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.800
first thing he says that have you
looked into the arc of a welder's torch?

522
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:22.719
And I'm like, no, why
would I do that? You know,

523
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.880
not telling him about this intense white
light and everything, because at that

524
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:35.320
point I didn't remember it. But
a few days later, the family came

525
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.840
over for a Fourth of July cookout. Everybody was outside. The kids ran

526
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.719
outside, and my oldest nephew came
back in and said, Grandma, there's

527
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.880
something wrong with your yard. What's
wrong with your yard? So we went

528
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.159
outside and my mom says, oh, that's where our UFO landed the other

529
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.280
night, and they were laughing.
She kind of giggled, and I remember

530
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.840
looking at her saying, thinking,
what is wrong with you? Why would

531
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:02.119
you say that. We're gonna take
a s commercial break to allow our sponsors

532
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.800
to identify themselves, and we will
be right back with my guest today,

533
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:17.320
Deborah Jordan Cobble, discussing her new
book, Extraordinary Contact. Be right back.

534
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.719
My guest today is Deborah Jordan Cobble, who has written a new book

535
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:07.079
called Extraordinary Contact Life Beyond Intruders.
This is the story of her interaction with

536
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:15.800
aliens and the subsequent birth of her
daughter through a in vitro fertilization process that

537
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.400
she endured. Wait a minute,
your mom said that. My mother,

538
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.719
so she must have seen it without
the kitchen window. My mother, she

539
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.679
didn't tell me why she called me
home for like a week. Then she

540
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.159
tells me. She tells me a
week later. She's like, you know,

541
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.800
I just remembered why I called you
to come home that night. And

542
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.400
I'm like why, And she said, well, I was standing here at

543
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.320
the window and I saw this ball
of light around the bird feeder, about

544
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.840
the size of a basketball, but
it was real soft, and I thought

545
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.840
it was a flashlight beam or a
car headlight that was doing it. And

546
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.920
I was looking and she goes,
it got smaller and smaller and smaller,

547
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.360
and then when it disappeared, poop, That's what I got in my head

548
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.840
that you needed to come home right
now. And I'm like, well,

549
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.159
hell, if i'd have known that, I don't know, that might have

550
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.599
changed things, you know, But
she didn't even remember that for like a

551
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.039
week. Yeah, my mother's the
one who said that. So I'm thinking,

552
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.599
what the heck's wrong with her?
And then as I'm looking at the

553
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:20.719
mark, it's like someone slapped me
in my face, and it's like I

554
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.000
woke up. It was like I
remember I started. I remembered the light,

555
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.800
I remember being hit in the chest, I remember the pain, I

556
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.760
remember the kids, I remember the
egg thing. I mean, all of

557
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.880
the memories started flooding back. And
then, you know, for days and

558
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.880
days after that, other memories started
coming back of weird things that happened in

559
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.360
my life that I just had chalked
away, and you know, one of

560
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:50.320
them being the incident we talked about
earlier when I was first married, and

561
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.320
then another time as a teenager.
And then I had picked up a book

562
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.960
called Missing Time. Several months prior
to June third, eighty three, I

563
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.840
got in the library. I used
to go to the library all the time,

564
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.599
because it was free and I like
to read, and I like to

565
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.440
read books to my kids, and
I'd picked up this book not fully understanding

566
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:14.519
what it was about, but quickly
enough did. I tried to read that

567
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:19.320
book several times, and I to
this day have never finished it because I

568
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:23.360
was too much too I would have
a panic attack, and I a couple

569
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.920
of times I ended up at the
emergency room because I thought I was having

570
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.039
a heart attack. Oh, it
was really upsetting for you to really freaking

571
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.360
me out. Yes, okay,
you know finding My mom's like, you

572
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.920
don't take that book back library.
We can't keep doing that. I'm like,

573
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:43.199
I know, how do you think
I feel? So? But I

574
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.079
did remember that in the back of
that book there was an address where you

575
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.880
could write to the guy who wrote
this book if you felt you had this

576
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.760
kind of experience and you wanted to
talk to somebody about it. And I'm

577
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.880
like, I definitely want to talk
to somebody about it. I want this

578
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.159
to go away. I want you
to tell me there's explanations for this,

579
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.760
you know. So I wrote him
this like fourteen page letter and a bunch

580
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.039
of polaroids, and my mom eventually
mailed the letter and then he called and

581
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.519
from that point on it was like
a three year long investigation. I sold

582
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:16.000
my I sold my washing and dryer
that I'd put in storage to get a

583
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:21.079
bus ticket to go to New York
and then he came to People have to

584
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.320
realize back then there wasn't the internet. There wasn't even cell phones. The

585
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:31.719
way was eighty three. Well it
was the end of eighty three. We

586
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.519
had snail mail and well timed brief
after six pm long distance phone calls.

587
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.639
It only last five minutes because we
couldn't afford anything else, you know,

588
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.840
so I did. I sold my
washing drier for a bus ticket. I

589
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:52.480
was desperate for help, and this
halfway there on the bus, I almost

590
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.960
jumped off the bus because I thought
to myself and I am about having a

591
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.559
panic attack. What in the hell
is wrong with you? You're going all

592
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.679
the way to New York City to
meet some guy who wrote about aliens.

593
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.599
He could be an axe murderer.
You're a mother. What is wrong with

594
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.199
you? This is stupid. Get
off the bus. Don't do this,

595
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.719
you know, Yeah, but I
didn't. And as soon as I got

596
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.400
off the bus, but immediately takes
me to doctor Kolmar's office in the city.

597
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.119
That's the psychiatrist, so he probably
had thoughts about that about me too,

598
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.840
you know. And I met with
doctor Komar, the psychiatrist, and

599
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.280
we talked, and she actually even
hypnotized me a little bit just to relax

600
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.440
me. It was nothing. Nothing
came out of it. But you think

601
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.800
he took you there because he wanted
to evaluate if you were crazy or not.

602
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.119
I think, yeah, schizophrenic or
something. Well, I think he

603
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.960
wanted he never said this, this
is my I feel like he just wanted

604
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.880
to make sure he was about to
invite me into his home with his wife

605
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.480
and kid. Okay, you know, I wouldn't hold it against the man

606
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.400
if he didn't want to make sure
I wasn't some kind of nutjob, you

607
00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:01.920
know, which I was already feeling
crazy eventually, I want to say real

608
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.960
quickly. You know, my eyes
were wrecked and I couldn't see a lot

609
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.400
of detail that night, and it
took weeks for them to heal. I

610
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:13.639
went far sighted immediately, which I
had never worn glasses before, and by

611
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.840
the time I was in my thirties, I was diagnosed with cataracts and macular

612
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:24.079
degeneration. I have acrylic lenses replaced
from the cataracts were so bad now in

613
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:29.239
my eyes, and I'm you know, I have to be monitored very closely

614
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.400
every six months now because of this
macular degeneration that started in my thirties.

615
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.719
And I blame that night, even
though I can't prove it. I will

616
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.519
always say that wrecked my eyes.
But I don't think it was an intentional

617
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.360
injury. I think it was something
that I want to ask you a real

618
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.400
quick question. Do you think they
were shooting some kind of a paralyzing beam

619
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.039
at you? Or was this the
radiation from the ship. Do you believe

620
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.480
it was the cause of your eye
damage. Whatever that light was, I

621
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.320
feel is what damaged my eye,
but I don't know what it was.

622
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.440
So I mean, I don't know
if it was radiation or a light beam

623
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.199
or they did something, and I
don't know. Okay, I have no

624
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.400
idea, all right, So I
go to back to Bud. So,

625
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:17.039
okay, you get cleared by the
psychiatrist. So then ensues this this three

626
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.039
year investigation. He comes out to
our house several times on his own dime,

627
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.360
and he interviews neighbors. He finds
two independent witnesses from that night who

628
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:34.280
you know. He took soil samples
to have them checked. And incidentally,

629
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.639
I still have soil samples from that
mark in the yard. But I can't

630
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.880
get anybody to look at him.
No one cares anymore, and of course

631
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:44.119
they're years old. So yeah,
I've done I want to check for radiation

632
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:49.880
of something. Well, I don't
know, but I still have them that.

633
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.840
You know, he did all that. He interviewed people. He interviewed

634
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:58.079
my friends. Uh, he interviewed
other family members, other family friends,

635
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:05.960
neighbors, my boss at the time. Yeah, my mom, Mamy's going

636
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.719
around knocking on doors at the neighbors. My Mom's like, oh my god,

637
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:14.000
the neighbors are going to think we're
crazy. But you know, it

638
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.360
is what it is. And then
I remember going to New York. He

639
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:22.480
had made arrangements. I don't know
if somebody paid for it or he got

640
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.679
them to do it for free,
donations paid for it or what. Uh.

641
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:30.559
But I had a brain one of
those things where they put wires on

642
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.280
your head in the EEG right at
the hospital there in New York. I

643
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.239
had I think a cat scan with
a diet contrast in my of my brain.

644
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.519
They were looking for brain tumors,
epilepsy, any other physical reasons why

645
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:50.840
I might had have had this episode. I took. I had six hours

646
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:55.199
of psychological testing, verbal and written, and I remember telling the psychiatrists it's

647
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.840
okay if you tell me then I'm
crazy, because they make pills for that

648
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.840
and I am more than happy to
take a pill that that means that this

649
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:07.920
isn't going to happen again, my
friend. I mean so that I was

650
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:13.119
there seeking help. I wanted to
be normal. I wanted to have a

651
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.199
normal life. I wanted my kids
to have a normal life. I had

652
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.840
little kids, okay, and I
was looking for help and I thought this

653
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.679
guy could give it to and he
did. He hooked me up with a

654
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:28.039
buddy like right away buddy system that
I could call anytime something was feeling weird.

655
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.079
And I mean he did a lot
of things. He wasn't only an

656
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:38.400
artist, but he knew to reach
out to the professionals in different fields to

657
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:44.360
help him through guide the way.
You know. Okay, so can we

658
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:52.239
let's talk about what came up in
these hypno therapy sessions specifically about Emily.

659
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.559
But if you could go back as
early as you can remember leading up to

660
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:07.920
this procedure, impregnation and so forth. Well that I didn't recall a lot

661
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.960
of details through any of the hypnotherapy
that I did with Bud, And I

662
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.280
think I only maybe did five sessions
because, like I said, I lived

663
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:20.079
a thousand miles away in Indiana and
he was in New York, and it

664
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:27.000
just wasn't you know, we just
couldn't do that many. But the when

665
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.880
I you know, when I found
out I was pregnant, Back before all

666
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.800
this happened, I didn't think of
this at all, any any of this,

667
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.719
you know, uffo or aliens or
any of that stuff. I didn't

668
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.960
want to be pregnant. I was
engaged to Charles and we were eight.

669
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:49.559
Yeah I wasn't, Yeah I was. I was engaged. We had just

670
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.360
gotten engaged and we're going to get
married in June. And when I found

671
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.360
out I was pregnant, we moved
the date to April so I wouldn't be

672
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:58.199
big because you didn't do that back
then, you know, it was a

673
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:05.599
different time. So I went to
the doctor, got confirmed that I was,

674
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.559
you know, pregnant, and we
tried to figure out when I had

675
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.119
gotten pregnant. I thought I got
pregnant Christmas time, he thought it was

676
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.239
sooner than that. I mean,
you know, I'd gotten pregnant earlier than

677
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:22.079
that, which we fell into a
November experience that I had that year with

678
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:29.559
two girlfriends out driving around in the
country spying on her. We were spying

679
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:30.960
on her boyfriend and make sure he
was where he said he was going to

680
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.559
be. And I saw a light
in the sky and I pointed out to

681
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:39.440
the two girls, the driver and
the girl on the back. You know,

682
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.119
I'm like, look at that.
There was a UFO And I kind

683
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.320
of laughed because I didn't think it
was the UFO at the time when I

684
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.239
first saw it. Then I started
doing weird stuff, and the little girl

685
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:55.880
in the back seat started freaking out, and it got closer and closer and

686
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.760
was really doing weird stuff. And
then the next thing I remembered was UH

687
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.719
being pulled out of the car,
but the car was like enveloped in this

688
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:09.280
black smoke, so I couldn't see
anything. The strange thing is, years

689
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:14.960
later, when Bud came back to
UH do the investigation, the driver of

690
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.960
the car, who was a friend
of mine at the time, we found

691
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.599
her and he was able to interview
her. And when we got to the

692
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.159
house. He goes, well,
I want to ask you about this night

693
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:28.840
that you and Debbie and this other
girl were out driving around spying on Kenny.

694
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:30.480
I want to talk to you about
the light and the sky And she

695
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.920
said, you mean the light and
the sky are the one on the ground.

696
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.079
And I looked over at her,
and Bud looked at me because I

697
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.639
didn't even remember that the light had
come to the ground. She goes,

698
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.559
oh, yeah, I pulled over
and got out of the car and I'm

699
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.400
like, what you know, and
she goes, yeah. The next thing

700
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:51.199
I remember is we're driving driving home
and the son is about to come up,

701
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.159
and she is I'm thinking to myself, Oh my god, my mom

702
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:57.039
and dad are going to be awake, and we're gonna get caught being out

703
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.639
in this late. We had to
and we did literally climbed in the back

704
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.639
bedroom window to get in the house
so they wouldn't know that we had been

705
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:07.000
out all night. And he asked
her at that point, would you like

706
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.760
to do some hypnotherapy and see if
you can remember more. She's like,

707
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:15.079
uh no, She goes, I
haven't remembered this for fifteen years, and

708
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.440
I think I'm going to be just
fine, not remembering it, so no,

709
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.440
thank you, but it just shows
she remembered more that night than I

710
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.679
did, but in hypnotherapy. In
the hypnotherapy, in one of the sessions

711
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:37.840
that night is when I remembered being
subjected to some kind of a gynecological examination

712
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:45.920
that was painful and traumatic, and
I could see those big black eyes part

713
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:51.280
of that were was already already remembered
in what I called, you know,

714
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:54.599
when I had dreamed of it,
and then I always called it dreams because

715
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.880
this doesn't fit in my work.
I mean, if you think this happens,

716
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:00.960
you crazy. It had to be
a dream. It couldn't be real.

717
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:04.960
This can't be real. It's one
of the things I told the psychiatrists

718
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.360
and at that hospital. You know, it's okay if you tell me I'm

719
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:13.679
crazy. But I didn't mention any
of that to Bud at the time when

720
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.639
he was doing the investigation until one
night he and I were sitting in the

721
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.239
driveway at my house, at my
mom and dad's house we had gone to.

722
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.840
Actually he was meeting somebody else that
had a siting, you know,

723
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.800
I think it was in Greenfield,
Indiana, a few years prior to that,

724
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.639
and I took him out there to
meet her and she anyway, we

725
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:38.480
were sitting in the I kept thinking
about this pregnancy because when I went back

726
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:45.280
to the doctor after I realized that
something was wrong and I was no longer

727
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.679
pregnant, and the doctor had told
me and my mother, we see this

728
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:54.320
all the time. You're young,
you'll have other kids. My advice to

729
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.440
you is to just forget this ever
happened. What was a time frame from

730
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:08.599
this procedure, having the doctor acknowledge
your pregnancy and then losing the pregnancy that

731
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:15.119
that happened in November? In late
November, the event with the two girls

732
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.679
and the procedure I found out.
I think it was in February that I

733
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:25.199
had a positive pregnancy test and the
doctor thought I was farther along than I

734
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.559
thought I was, or January or
February, and then March is when I

735
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.679
think it's March when I was no
longer pregnant, just a few months.

736
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.360
It wasn't very long, no,
but it was long enough that, you

737
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.280
know, Charlie and I both had
didn't want it. We weren't trying to

738
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.039
get pregnant, but we're like,
we accepted it, and I was starting

739
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:50.519
to you know, I got my
baby, and you know how women have

740
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.360
a value. You're nurturing, hoping
that you know, you're looking forward to

741
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:58.599
it and everything. Yeah, And
then to wake up one morning after this

742
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:04.599
nightmare and no, there's something wrong
with my baby, but not being able

743
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:10.000
to put my finger on it,
and finally going to Planned Parenthood and getting

744
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.960
a pregnancy test, and then going
back to the family doctor and having a

745
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:19.199
pelvic exam, and then having him
tell my mother that My first thing my

746
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.639
mom said when he said she's not
pregnant, and my Mom's like, well,

747
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:29.800
does she need a DNC? Yeah, yeah, miscarriage yeah, And

748
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.519
he said, no, she doesn't. Everything looks normal. And that's when

749
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.880
he said to me, you're everything
looks fine. You're young, I've seen

750
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.639
this before, this happens. My
best advice to you, just forget this

751
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.119
ever happened. And of course the
first thing in my head is I ain't

752
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:47.599
never forritten this. But we never
spoke of it again, and I didn't

753
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:52.480
think of it until June thirty eighty
three. That's one of the things that

754
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:55.679
kept coming back in my mind when
I saw that mark, and all these

755
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:00.159
memories started coming back. So when
I got bud corner in the car one

756
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:05.360
night. I don't know why I
felt compelled to blurt this out. I

757
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.360
had a baby and it disappeared.
I mean, I was pregnant and it

758
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:13.079
disappeared. And he and I could
tell as soon as I saw face,

759
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:15.400
I regretted it. I'm like,
oh Jesus Christ, now you're going to

760
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.079
think I'm insane. And I start
crying, you know, and he's like,

761
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.119
well, he felt bad and he
was trying to comfort me, and

762
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.079
he's like, I'm so sorry,
and I'm like, I don't know why

763
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.559
I'm telling you. He says,
what, you know, you could tell

764
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.000
A look on his face was like, what does this have to do with

765
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:35.480
me, you know, and this
whole investigation. And I told him,

766
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.000
I don't know why I feel compelled
to tell you this, but I just

767
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:44.320
do. And he I guess he
got like he had gotten letters from women

768
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.239
in the same boat that I had
been in. Some were even farther along

769
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:54.559
than me, And as far as
I know, was just that one time.

770
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:59.840
But you know, I was wrestling
with I don't understand why I'm feeling

771
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.920
this connection to this whole thing,
and I'm also wrestling with the fact that

772
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:10.440
I lost a baby that I ended
up wanting, you know, but it

773
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:17.679
had That's the way it happened.
And then I had dreams later where I

774
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:22.679
actually saw her, as you know, a few years later, when she's

775
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:28.639
like able to stand up and walk. And I had a dream that I

776
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:35.880
was picked up by these gray things
again, was in some strange cavernous room,

777
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:43.760
and they walk her in, two
of these gray things on either side

778
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.119
of her, holding her hand.
And when this little, tiny little thing

779
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.760
walks in and I see her,
my immediate instinct is, oh my god,

780
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:54.719
that's mine. And I wanted to
jump up and grab her. And

781
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.719
as soon as I thought that,
she darted behind one of them, like

782
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.679
she was scared of me, like
she heard what I thought. Wow it

783
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.199
and it made me cry, and
I thought, oh my god, she's

784
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:14.320
afraid of me, you know,
in retrospect, you know, if that's

785
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.760
all you'd ever been used to in
your life. And then you see this

786
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.480
big horse like me and it wants
to grab you. You know, I'm

787
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:24.320
gonna be scared too. But and
think about that, you know, till

788
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:30.960
later. So when did you I
mean, you must have seen this child

789
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.400
a number of times. When did
you feel that you wanted to name her

790
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:46.239
Emily. I we had it in
our heads what we were gonna me and

791
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.719
Charlie what we were going to name
our baby, if it was a boy

792
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.679
or a girl. Oh so you
and your husband at the time had thought

793
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:56.119
about this. Yeah, but it
wasn't Actually it wasn't even Emily. That

794
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.760
was a pseudonym as well. The
actual name was Elizabeth. But I mean

795
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:06.519
it doesn't matter anymore. But okay, yeah, uh hey, pseudonymed everything,

796
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:11.599
even the place that it he was
protecting you. He is not a

797
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.679
real place. That's he didn't want
anybody to come out down and harass you,

798
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.400
and god knows what would have happened
back then, it was pretty unusual.

799
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:29.000
So so you have these what you
call dreams, which now sound like

800
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:34.840
some form of anistism, ansticizing you
and taking you on board. Do you

801
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.920
remember ever being awake enough to pass
through walls or anything to get into these

802
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.440
ships or is it like they just
knocked you out and all of a sudden

803
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:51.400
they wake you up again to see
this this little baby. I don't remember.

804
01:05:54.719 --> 01:06:00.880
I don't ever have any memories of
going into a ship or walking out

805
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:06.960
of one. I have one time
where I remembered standing somewhere and being told

806
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:12.320
that I have to leave now,
because if I stay much longer, I'm

807
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:17.440
going to be I'm gonna get sick. But I don't actually, like,

808
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.920
I don't remember seeing a ship and
walking into it, or being taken into

809
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.639
it or carried into it, or
going through walls or being pulled out of

810
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.920
you know. I just I don't
know. I just maybe I just pass

811
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.320
out because I was so scared.
I don't know. Yeah, I can,

812
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:38.639
I can imagine at any time.
Oh, let me ask you this

813
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:43.360
first. When was the last time
you saw this child? And at what

814
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:46.039
age would you predict that she might
have been at? I mean she have

815
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.199
you seen her since she's grown into
a teenager a young adult, or have

816
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:56.400
you only seen her as a small
child. I had something happened at the

817
01:06:56.440 --> 01:07:00.159
apartment complex I lived in in Indianapolis
on the East Side. And I'm trying

818
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.960
to think of the year. It
was in the nineties, so of course

819
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:12.280
she would have been born in eighty
two, so but I was it was

820
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.960
during the day. I was sitting
in my kitchen drinking a cup of coffee,

821
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:20.599
have a cigarette, looking out the
patio door, and I had a

822
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:25.159
privacy fence, you know, but
slats were kind of wide, cheap,

823
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.000
you know, you could see through
the slats. And I looked up and

824
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:33.679
I saw someone looking at me.
I could see this eye and all this

825
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:41.960
dark clothing and this white hair.
And as I looked at the eye,

826
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:46.639
I remember thinking, who are you? And then I thought what kind of

827
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.800
parent dresses a kid in all black
all the way down the shoes in the

828
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:55.840
middle summer. And it something in
me clicked and I'm like, oh my

829
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.280
god, it's her. And I
jumped up. And as I jumped up

830
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:01.599
to run through the door, she
took off. So I jumped up,

831
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:05.559
went through the patio door, opened
up the gate, and I looked both

832
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:10.519
ways behind the apartment buildings and there
was no wady there. And I ran

833
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:15.039
down to the edge and I ran
down along the side where I could look

834
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.720
through each row of buildings and to
see if I could see her. And

835
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:24.039
I never saw her again. I
don't know where she went, but she

836
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.960
was there looking at me, and
I feel like it was her. I

837
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.880
can't prove that, obviously, but
I just felt like that was her.

838
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:35.319
And that was the last time.
And I'll be honest with you, there

839
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:39.880
still was times for years after that, Like if I'd go to the grocery

840
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.039
store, you know, or somewhere
where there's a lot of people, and

841
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:47.720
I happened to see somebody that had
super white hair, which wasn't as popular

842
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:54.560
then as it is now, you
know, like like white headed, blonde

843
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:58.399
blonde hair and blue eyes, and
would I would look at them and I

844
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.399
would think, is that her?
And you know, I've talked to other

845
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:06.640
people that gave up babies for adoption. Ye And I've talked to other women

846
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:12.359
who've done that, and they do
the same thing. They think they see

847
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.720
somebody and they wonder is that her, you know? Or is that him?

848
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:23.359
But I do I did that for
years. Amazing. We're going to

849
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:28.600
take a short commercial break to allow
our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll

850
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:34.000
be right back with my guest today, Debra Jordan Cobble discussing her new book,

851
01:09:34.279 --> 01:10:18.920
Extraordinary Contact. We'll be right back. My guest today is Deborah Jordan

852
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:26.600
Cabal, who has written a new
book called Extraordinary Contact. Life Beyond Intruders,

853
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:33.199
and this is her story of an
abduction and her subsequent interaction with aliens.

854
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:45.880
Did you ever get any advice or
a defining period where they told you

855
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:55.399
why this was happening to you,
why they were taking the et sperm and

856
01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:00.239
your ovum to create this child.
Well, they never told me they were

857
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:04.159
doing any of that. But when
I was upset about it because I wanted

858
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:08.399
to take her home with me because
it was she was mine, and he

859
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:12.720
said, you can't take her home. You couldn't. She wouldn't survive here.

860
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.119
And I was upset, you know, and I was angry, and

861
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:24.560
he looked at me, and I
felt like he was saying, and I

862
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:29.079
don't know why you're angry. This
is a good thing. You should be

863
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:34.640
happy. And then I remember feeling
like this blast of emotion that came from

864
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:39.600
him, and I thought it was
me At first. I started feeling all

865
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.520
kinds of crazy emotions, all mixed
up that didn't make any sense. And

866
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:48.279
then I thought, wait a minute, this isn't even mine. It was

867
01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:55.840
coming from him to direct it towards
me. So I don't, you know,

868
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:59.039
and I don't know what that means. But but you do write a

869
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:06.720
little bit about, uh, these
hybrid children are being created for a specific

870
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:14.600
reason. Isn't there a potential either? Their planet is having problems or perhaps

871
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.960
it's something that's going to happen in
the future and these children are kind of

872
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:24.800
like the byproducts of a new race
that will repopulate a planet or something.

873
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:28.760
What what what do you what's the
general consensus that was passed down to you

874
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:41.960
that they're like the next generation of
us of humans? You know, like

875
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:51.960
a like A I don't know,
like we're it's an improvement on humanity.

876
01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.680
Okay, So what does that say
to you? Did they give you a

877
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.039
hint that Earth is in trouble and
there's going to be a cataclysm of some

878
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:05.560
kind. No race is going to
be wiped out. No, I don't.

879
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:13.159
I don't remember anybody telling me that
there was. It doesn't take a

880
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.520
being abducted by an alien or a
psychic to see that, you know,

881
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.279
the planet is in trouble and this
is the only one we have. So

882
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:25.760
I'm pretty I don't know if that's
something that was planted in me by that,

883
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.159
by the whole experience, or if
it's just something that I've observed as

884
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.800
I've watched and gotten older. But
I feel very important. I feel it's

885
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:42.319
very important to take care of the
planet because it's only when we have and

886
01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:48.960
that we're as stewards of it,
that it's our responsibility to make sure all

887
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:58.760
life has an opportunity to live here. And I think, if I remember

888
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:02.439
correctly, it's been so long ago, but I do believe that when I

889
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:09.279
was working with Forrest Crawford and John
Carpenter and Jean Robinson as another gal who

890
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:15.359
I she was another person who was
an experiencer like me, we kind of

891
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:27.239
felt like the the hybrids that were
being created, at least that's what are

892
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:38.760
thinking of of them, was that
they were going to be populating not just

893
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:45.399
this planet, but that their race
they're lacking in something and they're getting something

894
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:50.920
from us, So it's improvement for
it's an improvement for them. And at

895
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:58.840
one point I even think I remember
having the the hypothesis or the theory that

896
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:04.560
they were from our few mature and
that they were coming back to create fix

897
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:12.119
something that got messed up or that
got lost. So that's fascinating. Yeah.

898
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:17.680
What's what's curious, though, is
here they are and they're telling you,

899
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:23.520
you know that this Emily could not
live on Earth's environment, she would

900
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:29.039
not survive, and the fact that
you were interacting with this ship and it

901
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:33.399
was causing you physical and actually damaged
you physical pain, you know. So

902
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:41.760
it's like, what system or what
type of science are they within that would

903
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:46.079
cause that? And it seems toxic
to you or humans as we stand now.

904
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:51.319
So if this child were to be
planted on earth now, she wouldn't

905
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:57.840
survive. So it's kind of strange
to wonder what is she some kind of

906
01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.399
an experiment? Is she be created? Because Bud writ's a great deal about

907
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:08.600
this. John Mack went literally around
the world studying different cultures in the same

908
01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:15.279
phenomenon in Africa and Europe and China
and so forth. So it's very odd

909
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.960
what is happening and what the purpose
is, don't you think? Well?

910
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:21.399
Yeah, I mean and at the
end of the day, I don't know

911
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:30.640
what the purpose is the big picture
that nobody told me I've been. I

912
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:34.399
participated in it unwillingly, you know, as far as I at least as

913
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:42.520
far as I know. But anything
that I think is really an opinion.

914
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:46.239
It's not I don't have any facts
because I don't know for sure other than

915
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:50.720
the things I know for sure,
like the market, the yard and the

916
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:55.039
things, the dreams that I had
and that I was pregnant and then I

917
01:16:55.079 --> 01:17:01.239
saw this girl later, but everything
else, I don't, you know,

918
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:04.199
it could be a whole bunch of
different things. I have no idea.

919
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:09.039
Yeah, one thing that's unique that
I'll go ahead. I was just going

920
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.479
to say, she might not have
been able to live on the planet like

921
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.239
it was, you know, forty
five years ago, but maybe she can

922
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:20.560
now they've changed things. I don't
know. Yeah, talk a little bit

923
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:28.239
about some of the advanced attributes you've
you've gained from your experience. I think

924
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.600
it's fast crazy. Well, no, this is really good, Deb,

925
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:38.439
not only because you write about this, but it's hard to say if they

926
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:45.119
brought out what's already there or that
interacting with them enhance these abilities. Talk

927
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:50.680
a little bit about them. Well, I always feel like I always said

928
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:57.039
June thirty eighty three, Deb died
in Deb two point zero was born.

929
01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:00.880
And I know that sounds silly,
but and it was. In the beginning,

930
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:02.560
I thought I was having an ever's
breakdown. I couldn't sleep at night

931
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:08.600
for months. It was weird.
I would be awakened by these visions and

932
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:12.760
words and stuff that I would have
to write down before they would leave me

933
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.159
alone. Once I got it out
of my head and where it wouldn't get

934
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.680
lost and I could function. You
know, I was really thought I was

935
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:26.359
losing my mind. But in high
school, I had my high school transcripts.

936
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.039
I pulled them and my IQ was
one hundred and ten, which is

937
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.680
nothing. It's not shaggy, not
shaggy at all, but you know,

938
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:38.079
nothing to write home about. My
late husband convinced me to try and take

939
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:44.359
the test for MENZA years later,
several years later, and I'm like,

940
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.279
I can't even bounce my checkbook.
Dude, there's no way I'm going to

941
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.840
be in MENSA. He said that, just because you don't have any money.

942
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:54.479
But I went ahead and did it, and I got accepted into MENSA.

943
01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:58.920
And my few scores one was one
hundred and one was one hundred and

944
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:02.239
thirty five. One was on a
hundred forty one different tests, and I

945
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:06.359
scored in the top one half percent
in spatial relations. And that's when that's

946
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:11.279
about the time that I started dreaming
in three D and color. And then

947
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:15.439
I started the lucid dreaming stuff and
would always come right at the end before

948
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.319
I woke up. And those are
different because they were like I'm in them

949
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:24.479
and I'm participating in this dream.
I'm not just watching, are very real,

950
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.439
and they stay with you when you
wake up. The difference between a

951
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.359
lucid dream and a regular dream is
an hour after a year awake. With

952
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:32.239
a regular dream, you don't even
remember you dreamt. But when you have

953
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:36.359
a lucid dream and you wake up, the longer you're awake, the more

954
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:44.479
of it you remember, and it
stays with you forever. And that was

955
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.239
about the same time I started to
get interested in paranormal stuff, when I

956
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:51.520
had learned about something called electronic voice
phenomenon, and so I started trying to

957
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:59.920
record these voices because one of these
my brain, it's like I got rewired,

958
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:02.720
or it's like I got extra wires
attached. That was like, I

959
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:08.239
don't think I'm different than anybody else
on this planet, but something happened to

960
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:13.840
me that changed something. I don't
know whether I was that way or susceptible

961
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:18.520
to that prior to the contact,
or if the contact itself created this intentionally

962
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:25.359
or unintentionally. I don't know,
but I started read. I read book

963
01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:30.920
books about string theory and quantum physics. Even though I had absolutely no idea

964
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.800
what I was reading, I felt
it was important to have those words in

965
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:40.399
my head, the thoughts and the
ideas. Eventually I was going to need

966
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:46.079
them. I don't know why I
started being I had the vision once,

967
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:53.560
a lucid vision about a soap bubbles
that were and somebody was telling me that

968
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:58.439
these soap bubbles, these bubbles were
universus and everywhere they touched that was a

969
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:02.600
point of entry that where you could
you could contact between these universes, but

970
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:06.920
you had to be quick because it
was like a soap bubble glob and it

971
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:12.600
undulated and it moved, so it
was, you know, moments, we're

972
01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.000
fleeting, and all kinds of stuff
like that started coming in my head.

973
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:21.399
I started to be able to feel
people's energy, like everybody's energy is different,

974
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:26.680
like a fingerprint. And if somebody
that I know walks up behind me,

975
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.600
if I feel them, if they
get close enough and I feel them,

976
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:31.720
I know who they are. I
don't even have to see them.

977
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.439
But if they I don't know them, I just know that I don't know

978
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:42.079
who you are. You know,
And I've had some strange experiences with people

979
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.520
that I've met that it seemed like
they were testing me to see how far

980
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:48.680
I could go or what I was
able to do. Or if I could

981
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:54.800
hear them, you know, just
strange things like that. I had this

982
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:58.800
episode one time where I lost a
ring. For three days, we couldn't

983
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:00.399
find it, and then something told
me where I needed to find it.

984
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:05.560
So I ended up tearing up the
carpeting and the padding in my kid's bedroom,

985
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.840
and there was under the carpet and
the pad in the middle of the

986
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:15.239
bedroom. Yeah, you pulled up
the nails. Yeah I heard. I

987
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.880
read that, and I was like, who put it underneath the hammer?

988
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:25.000
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know
a lot of weirds. I collected seeds

989
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:28.520
for a long time and then woke
up one morning and they were all gone.

990
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:34.199
I would take apart radios and other
mechanical things to see how they worked

991
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.560
and how they went together. I
mean, I just did all kinds of

992
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:45.119
weird stuff. Soa and I started
being able to draw certain things that I

993
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:48.880
was I'm not artistic at all.
And the first book I wrote with my

994
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:53.000
sister I just kind of poured out
of my head in the middle of the

995
01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:57.680
night. After it took like a
couple of weeks, and uh, you

996
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:01.800
know, it was almost like I
was just a vessel that it wasn't profound

997
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:08.159
or anything like that. But still
I was doing things that I never did

998
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:14.279
before. Yeah, if you were
to kind of close your eyes and think

999
01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:19.960
about how my mind has expanded,
how how I have turned into Debora two

1000
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:27.560
point zero. Would you say that
they maybe expanded the brain's capacity to its

1001
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:34.079
fullest or would you say that something
happened in your experience that shifted you to

1002
01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:41.600
a higher vibration or higher octave of
being human? Well, in your own

1003
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.960
words, I'm putting. I don't
want you to I don't want you to

1004
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:46.199
use cliffs words. I just want
you to go, this is what I

1005
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:53.720
feel happened. I took a drug, and this is what I feel.

1006
01:23:55.439 --> 01:24:02.119
I am more aware, uh of
everything around me, the energies around me.

1007
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:09.920
The sound is very important to me
right now, the vibration of sound.

1008
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:16.119
And I don't know why, but
uh, I feel I feel like

1009
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:24.199
I've been expanded my awareness of the
life around me. I feel like most

1010
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:28.600
people are. I always say this
tube type radio is in Adobe Digital surround

1011
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:34.600
sound world. But I've upgraded to
the circuitry a little bit. I'm not

1012
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:41.920
a tube type anymore. You know, like TV signals and Wi Fi signals

1013
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.439
and all kinds of signals are going
right through you right now, but you're

1014
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.279
you're not aware of it, right
because you're not wired for that. You're

1015
01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:57.079
you're not you're not ready to receive
it, so you don't perceive it.

1016
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:02.800
But like my, my, my
TV can it can pick up the televisions

1017
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.960
that will broadcast the picture, because
that's how it's what it's made to do

1018
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:13.359
well. I think human brains are
the same way. And it's not that

1019
01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.239
we don't use, you know,
a lot of our brain. It's that

1020
01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:20.640
we don't know what a lot of
our brain is capable of doing. And

1021
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:30.319
I think that in my case anyway, something some extra circuitry got grown in

1022
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:36.239
or rewired or something, because I
can perceive these energies around me that I

1023
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:41.039
didn't I couldn't before, and I
know that they're there, and I've even

1024
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:45.119
been able to pick them up on
some of my EVP on my electronic equipment.

1025
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:47.000
You know, I've heard voices.
I got a voice one time that

1026
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.760
said, are the spirits listening?
I mean, clear as a bell,

1027
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.199
And another voice behind it said,
can I listen too? And I had

1028
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:59.520
this little epiphany, Oh my god, somebody somewhere else is listening for me,

1029
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.720
I'm I'm a spirit somewhere else.
And then it was like a door

1030
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:06.880
opened up in my head and I
realized, we're not alone right here in

1031
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:15.600
this room. They're here, and
sometimes I can perceive them, and I

1032
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:18.479
don't know how I do that.
I don't know when that started, other

1033
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:21.199
than I know it started after June
thirty, nineteen eighty three. And it

1034
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:27.479
increases as I get older and I
acknowledge it, it increases, it gets

1035
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:31.199
allowed to happen, and I'm not
afraid. The thing of it was,

1036
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.560
when I was younger, I kept
hearing. I would wake up and hear,

1037
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:39.119
don't be afraid, because being afraid
just slows it down. Don't be

1038
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:44.199
afraid because it just slows the process. And I lost the fear that I

1039
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.119
had. Everything I had happened to
me when I was young was so traumatic

1040
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:51.119
and scary and weird and didn't fit
in life, and I just wanted it

1041
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:56.880
to go away. And you know, I just want to have a normal

1042
01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.600
life for me and my kids.
And now I'm sixty five years old,

1043
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:04.159
and I look back and I realized
I couldn't have done I couldn't be me

1044
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:12.760
without that, so and that was
important. I don't fully understand why,

1045
01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:16.279
but I know it was important,
and I know it's put me on this

1046
01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:23.880
path where I'm where I'm going,
And I mean all kinds I'm just my

1047
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:28.039
brain just went. You know,
I'm open to all kinds of stuff.

1048
01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:32.159
Now. The books called Extraordinary Contact
Life Beyond Intruders. My guest today has

1049
01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:39.439
been Deborah Jordan Cobble, and I
have one last a couple questions as we

1050
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:48.079
conclude. You're retired now, congratulations, Thanks. What do you say when

1051
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.880
you and I don't know if you
know this or not. There's been intelligence

1052
01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.760
operatives coming to Congress and saying one
gentleman in particular is saying that there is

1053
01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:04.239
going to be a major disclosure twenty
twenty seven where apparently the aliens or the

1054
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:09.159
ets or what a group's going to
come down and say we're here, we've

1055
01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:14.039
been here and welcome to the planetary
system or something. I don't know what.

1056
01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:18.319
But when you hear that kind of
thing, and with your experience,

1057
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:25.479
what do you feel is that a
possibility if they're around you all the time,

1058
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.520
is it what do you I mean? Was it Phil like, well,

1059
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:34.399
you know I've been hearing that for
forty years. I've had a million

1060
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:38.239
dates. I've heard a million dates
over forty years, you know, and

1061
01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:44.439
nothing happens. Honestly, I don't
know, We'll see. I don't think

1062
01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:49.079
disclosure is going to come from any
government anywhere, on any in any country.

1063
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:58.439
I think disclosure is happening right now, and it's happening because of people

1064
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:03.399
like me that are talking about what's
happening to them, and it's gonna there.

1065
01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:09.640
The more stigma is removed, the
more you're gonna hear. I'm happy

1066
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:15.000
about the government like trying to make
it easier for pilots and military people to

1067
01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:18.239
make these reports without having to worry
about losing their pensions and stuff, because

1068
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:23.680
those guys have seen some stuff and
ain't nobody gonna tell nobody nothing. And

1069
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:27.960
for every one person like me that's
out there talking about what they saw,

1070
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:31.479
there's probably fifty thousand people that has
crazier stories than me that you're not gonna

1071
01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:35.640
hear about for a while. But
so in one way, I'm like,

1072
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:40.960
whatever, dude, I've heard a
plenty of plenty of that before. We'll

1073
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.760
see. Time will tell. I'm
not gonna get overly excited, but I

1074
01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:51.159
do feel a shift in the consciousness
and the awareness of the next generation,

1075
01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:56.760
and that makes me feel hopeful.
So you're thinking maybe the next generation won't

1076
01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:00.840
have the great fear that our generation
has, that maybe we'll be more prepared

1077
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:09.600
for the eventual contact. Oh,
they already don't. It's already different than

1078
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:15.039
even forty years ago. They're already
not as afraid, you know. I

1079
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:18.640
mean, I've seen a big shift
slowly. But like I said, it's

1080
01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:23.800
not going to disclosure. It's my
opinion. Then that's just my opinion.

1081
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:28.359
I could be so wrong, because
I have been wrong about things. But

1082
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:30.479
my opinion, disclosure is not going
to come from a government. It's going

1083
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:38.520
to come from the people who've had
the experiences. And it's them, those

1084
01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:46.079
who are doing this when they are
ready to make themselves known widely. You

1085
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:53.319
know, they're the ones driving the
bus. If you met the group that

1086
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:57.560
the off world types, the ets, whatever you want to call them,

1087
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:02.159
that I've initially met with you and
uh put you through all this, what

1088
01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:08.319
would you say to them or what
would you ask them? I'd ask them

1089
01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:13.079
why why was? Why? Why
me? First? First of all,

1090
01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:17.000
why me? And then I would
say, well, I got some stuff

1091
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.239
that's messed up. If you want
to come and if you can fix my

1092
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:30.600
back and things like that mostly be
why why me? Why why did this

1093
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:36.960
happen to me? And and have
I, uh, have I been what

1094
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.800
you thought I would be? Am? I am I on the right path?

1095
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:46.239
Mm hmm. You do occasionally hear
what you think could be them in

1096
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:51.039
your head? Do you think they're
kind of following you your life and and

1097
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:58.159
maybe perhaps not necessarily looking out for
you, but you know you're part of

1098
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:05.000
a family in a way that sounds
so paranoid as it's not like that at

1099
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:13.479
all. But I do feel sometimes
protected, Like you know, I keep

1100
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:19.279
my mind and my feelings pure,
you know what I mean, and intentions

1101
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:27.319
good intentions, and I feel,
you know, some somewhat protected, you

1102
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:30.479
know. I don't know, maybe
maybe that's coming from me. I don't

1103
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:34.640
know my higher self or whatever,
but yeah, I do some sometimes feel

1104
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:39.680
as if I got a big brother
somewhere. They've got an eye on me.

1105
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:45.800
Fascinating. That's fascinating. Now,
are there support groups that you're affiliated

1106
01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:51.319
with for people that are experiencing what
you've gone through? I'm I'm involved in

1107
01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:58.600
zero C E r O and they're
based in California. That's Vonne Smith's group

1108
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:05.239
and I worked with actually interviewed Yvonne
earlier this year in lah Yeah, and

1109
01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:12.600
so is. That's her website ce
r N c r O c r O

1110
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:17.000
and just look that up and she
I guess what that is is an organization

1111
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.960
that you can look into and they
will find somebody in your area. I

1112
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:27.079
guess, right. Yeah, it's
just support for people who had these experiences.

1113
01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:30.800
It's a safe place to speak about
them and not be judged. And

1114
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:35.399
Yvonne has resources if people actually want
some kind of help. She knows people

1115
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:41.640
and she also does she's a regressionist
the therapy all right, hypnotherapist. Yeah.

1116
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:49.960
But and I moderate admin with Beverly
Moore. The CERO Midwest Facebook Experiences

1117
01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:54.880
page. It's a private page on
Facebook and it's a place where again,

1118
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:59.319
people who've had these weird experiences can
come and share what the you know,

1119
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:04.880
their experience are and feel comfortable and
feel like they're not alone. And sometimes

1120
01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:09.359
when you get other eyes on your
experiences, you know, and sometimes you

1121
01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:15.760
can almost help figure out some things
that maybe aren't you know, paranormal that

1122
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:19.760
you thought might be, you know, getting different viewpoints and stuff. But

1123
01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:24.840
also just to be there and be
able to be yourself. You know,

1124
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.279
it's it's a good thing because forty
years ago I didn't have that. I

1125
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:32.880
was in Indiana by myself for years
and years. So we you know,

1126
01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:38.279
I'm so I'm involved in those two
groups. And of course I have my

1127
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:42.560
website. Yeah, give us your
website. It's what's on your website.

1128
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:47.520
It's Dev's home dot com, you
know, d eb s H O M

1129
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:53.079
E dot com. And it's been
my husband's been doing this website for me

1130
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:58.600
for twenty some years. There's there's
a story about there's you know, more

1131
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:03.319
in depth information about me in my
life and things I've experienced, other things

1132
01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:12.119
I've done. There's a lot of
news stories about the latest happenings going on

1133
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:20.840
in mainstream media about ufology and also
all kinds of other interesting little science news

1134
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:26.479
bits, you know, because I'm
interested in that kind of thing too.

1135
01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:30.600
And you can also write to me. There's a place where you can actually

1136
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:32.520
write to me through that website.
So if you want to share your story

1137
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.800
with me, it doesn't go anywhere
else. It's just between me and you.

1138
01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:41.000
But if you want somebody to have
a sympathetic ear to listen, I

1139
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:45.720
try to answer every email I get. You know, we've been doing that

1140
01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:49.279
page for years. So and then
I've got the podcast now me and Greg

1141
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.479
resurrectly. Oh yeah, what's the
name of the podcast again, I forget.

1142
01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:58.520
It's called Midwest Para Talk Radio.
And you can listen to us live

1143
01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:04.439
on you Tube at Midwest Para Talk
Radio on YouTube and uh. Then it

1144
01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:13.439
gets posted to Potomatic and Midwest Para
Talk Radio's website and places like that the

1145
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:19.319
next day and Greg and I talk
about everything under the Sun, paranormal and

1146
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:26.640
UFO related. We have guests sometimes, sometimes it's just us shooting a back

1147
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:30.000
and forth with each other over a
topic. We did this years ago when

1148
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:35.079
there was hardly any there wasn't.
I mean, there's so many podcasts and

1149
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:39.279
stuff now it's close. Well,
I can't keep up with all of them,

1150
01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:44.199
but back when we first started,
it wasn't that many. So but

1151
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.199
it's it's a lot of fun.
And we take questions from the Peanut Gallery

1152
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:50.520
if anybody has a subject they want
to talk about or a question they have.

1153
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:58.079
You know, we interact with our
listeners. So so Extraordinary Contact is

1154
01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:01.720
available on Amazon, but it's also
available on your website, right you can

1155
01:37:01.720 --> 01:37:04.159
get it through there. Yes,
you can also get it at Barnes and

1156
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:10.760
Nobles or Books a Million, any
of the online booksellers, the bigger ones.

1157
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:13.640
You can get it thro that too. And is there another book coming

1158
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:16.960
out of the Out of You anytime
soon? Or what's the story on that?

1159
01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:24.279
Are you done with writing? Well? Yeah, I feel like there's

1160
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:29.119
another one in there. I haven't. I haven't gotten around to doing it

1161
01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.640
yet. Hopefully I'll be able to
still see well enough. I'd love to

1162
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:38.720
get a hear from you on these
extraordinary abilities that you've have grown into you

1163
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:40.880
and you keep. I mean,
what you said to me a little while

1164
01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:44.840
ago was interesting. As I get
older, they get stronger or they're more

1165
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:48.600
present, and I think that's fascinating, Like you're kind of evolving into a

1166
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:55.960
new human because perhaps, as you
call it, you were rewired. I

1167
01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:01.239
feel you know, every day I
feel different, and I feel like people

1168
01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:08.039
are people don't realize how powerful they
are, everybody, every human being on

1169
01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:13.000
this planet. I feel like they
have to be reminded of what powerful,

1170
01:38:13.319 --> 01:38:17.920
magnificent beings they are and the things
they can accomplish just by the mind the

1171
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:21.760
thought of it, that everything wonderful
in the world began with the thought.

1172
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:28.840
All things that you see started with
the thought. And you've got to control

1173
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:33.119
those thoughts. You can't just you
know, I mean they I want them

1174
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:41.239
to be power positive, not negative, because negative can be bad exactly.

1175
01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:45.359
Hey, yeah, it's been a
real pleasure. I want to thank you

1176
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:51.039
for telling us your story and being
so forthright about it. It's like it's

1177
01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:59.039
wonderful to hear, and it is. Uh, it still amazes me even

1178
01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:01.760
after all these years of understanding it
to a degree. But obviously I'm not

1179
01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:06.560
an experiencer you are, so thank
you for sharing. Well, thanks for

1180
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:15.359
listening. I appreciate it. So
we got to think about how to consider

1181
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:25.880
what Deborah went through and think of
it in context of obviously first contact.

1182
01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:33.359
But remember I've always said that when
we meet with a being that is five

1183
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:39.760
hundred one thousand, ten thousand,
a million years advance of us, they

1184
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:43.680
are going to be They're going to
be vibrating at a very different rate.

1185
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:50.199
And when I say vibrating, I'm
meaning that their internal energetics, the cellular

1186
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:59.760
life what the Hindus and Eastern philosophies
called the aura, the chakra system.

1187
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:05.960
You can't you have to be careful
about interacting with people or beings of that

1188
01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:14.479
age. Their physiology, their internal
makeup, their body structure is different than

1189
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:23.119
ours. And I believe that when
she was talking about being burned by the

1190
01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:29.000
light, having her eyes damaged,
her face flush, her body felt like

1191
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:34.680
it was burning, that was their
environment. And remember they told her that

1192
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:40.560
Emily, her daughter, her hybrid
daughter, would not be able to exist

1193
01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:45.279
on Earth as it is now.
So what that likely means is that their

1194
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:57.359
environment is affixed to their physicality,
their physiology, and so they exist in

1195
01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:03.520
a different vibrational rate or different environment
than what she lives in. And I

1196
01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:13.239
think that goes to their how they
exist in an environment. And so I

1197
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:18.920
have heard this, and I believe
it's true that when you're connecting with somebody

1198
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:27.960
at that level who's a thousand years
advance of you, they're vibrating, they're

1199
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:33.439
different, their cellular matter is different, and so they're not hugging you,

1200
01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:42.000
and they're rarely touching you because it
could it could be damaging. And so

1201
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:46.560
that's what I got from from her
interaction. And I just finished her book,

1202
01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:53.159
by the way, it's a good
read, Extraordinary Contact. But John

1203
01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:58.039
Max's book also talks about the age
of some of these beings, and it's

1204
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:04.319
all guesstimate. We don't know if
our government is interacting with these different races.

1205
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:10.760
There's a long running rumor, and
I don't know if it's true or

1206
01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:19.279
not, that President Eisenhower met with
an alien race in California. I think

1207
01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:24.119
it was in there either the late
fifties or early sixties, and there was

1208
01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:30.600
an agreement made, and the agreement
was that they would select certain people for

1209
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:39.840
these abductions and in exchange there would
be some technology that would be exchanged.

1210
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:46.000
I don't know. This is the
problem with ufology alien interaction to ets.

1211
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:51.319
We don't get a straight answer our
government if they do know, if this

1212
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:58.680
is something they've known about, we'll
never know from the current crop. This

1213
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:04.000
could be a black option that even
the government that we know, Congress,

1214
01:43:04.039 --> 01:43:09.399
Senate, President, Joint Chiefs of
Staff, Army, Navy, whatever,

1215
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:16.520
they don't perhaps know. But it
would be a real positive for them to

1216
01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:23.880
let us know about this. And
I think that they need to apologize to

1217
01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:30.800
these people that are being subjected to
this, because I don't know why a

1218
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.560
thousand year old, a five thousand
year old, a million year old race

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of beings can't be more cordial in
their meetings with these with these abductees,

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these experiencers. Now, if you
read John Max's book, he doesn't stay

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within the United States. He goes
to Europe, he goes to Africa,

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and in a number of cases people
have a very positive experience. They leave

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the interactions feeling uplifted, feeling like
they gain something, and so it's not

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all as traumatic as what Debra has
presented to us and others. The problem

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is that it's not widely thought of
as a positive experience because you're being taken

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from your room. They're afraid that
you're gonna you can we can hurt them

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physically, so you're always mobilized through
through paralyzing rays, through injections or things

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that immobilize us or the abductees,
and then they can, you know,

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interact experiment. I have a lot
of thought about this, and again I

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mentioned this at the very beginning of
program. This is not widy discussed anymore.

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There are support groups that will help
men and women who have gone through

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this stuff, these experiences, but
that's about all I know about. I

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don't know. David Jacobs is in
his nineties. He doesn't write anymore,

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and of course Hopkins and Mack are
not with us any longer, so I

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don't know, I don't follow you
apology anymore, but I do want you

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to get a sense of these face
to face interactions. And so next week

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we'll have another guest talking about his
experience, and then we follow up with

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the final part three, which is
with Willy Streeper who's written a new book

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called Them thhe M and that book
is amazing. So this is something I

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want you to be aware of.
And if you have any questions or you'd

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like to ask, you know,
you want more information, send me an

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email at Earth Ancients for you at
gmail dot com and I'll get back to

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you. Hey, we do tours
Destiny Earth Ancients. We do tours every

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year. We have a big one
coming up in April of twenty twenty four.

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It's our Grand Egyptian Tour number six, you know, and I'm telling

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people, consider this a Christmas gift
to yourself. This means that everybody gets

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a gift. You get one too, one that you give yourself. It's

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It is twelve days of amazing sites
cruises on the Nile, some of the

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most amazing temples, pyramids and ancient
pre dynastic buildings that you'll ever Plus we

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go to a number of museums.
For the full itinerary, go to Earth

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and you'll see the full itinerary.
Register as soon as you can. We're

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about halfway full and join us.
I'm also gonna give for the next couple

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of months a discount. Use the
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you are treated like a diplomat from
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wherever you're from. And it is
it is a gorgeous tour. It's

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a relaxing tour and all the food, beverages, travel and everything is covered

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and it is vp and including this
wonderful bus that we travel in. It

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has a refrigerator in front with water, juice and goodies and a refrigerator in

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the back. So come out and
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All right, I want to mention
this real quickly, even though we're almost

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full. We're also doing Turkey in
August of twenty twenty four. That itinerary

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is still in flux. We're trying
to confirm a couple of places that we

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wanted to add. If you would
like to join us, if that's August

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01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:45.159
of twenty twenty four, send me
an email, send it to Earth Ancients

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01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:50.359
for you at gmail dot com,
and I'll get right back to you and

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01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:56.439
get you on the list. That
is going to be amazing. That's Darren

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01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:00.199
Kuru, the Underground City, Go
Beckley, Tepi, the Old this Temple

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01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:06.159
in the World, Cappadocia, and
on and on and on a lot of

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01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:11.119
really great places to see. Send
me an email and I'll get you on

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01:49:11.119 --> 01:49:13.720
the Listen. Then we'll send you
the itinerary as soon as I get it.

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So lots to consider, lots to
experience. All right, that's it

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for today's program. I want to
thank my guest today, Deborah Jordan,

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01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:30.880
Cobble coming to us from Midwest.
As always the team of Ruth, Thomas,

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01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:36.359
Mark Foster, and everyone who makes
this thing happen. Thank you you

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01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:40.720
guys, rock I really appreciate it. All right, take care of be

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well, and we will talk to
you next time. SA