1 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:13,000 Good afternoon. You're listening to Gambling with an Edge. Now here are your 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,719 host Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin. Good afternoon, welcome to Gambling with an 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,679 Edge. I'm Bob Danswer and I'm Richard Munchkin. And today is our last 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,199 day as far as we own now, we're not. This is our last 5 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:36,560 show, and it's possible we'll have sessions in the future. Kind of spurred 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,799 at random. Um, there's no plans to do that now, and who 7 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,920 knows what the future will bring. It's been a nice run, we've enjoyed 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,159 it, and we're gonna get down to your questions. Um. First ones 9 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,960 were we just got the day we're keeping this show, And it came from 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,159 Colin Jones, who is a Black Tank apprenticeship good friend of the good friend 11 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:04,239 of Richard. To me, what is something you have learned from a guest 12 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:14,400 while hosting Gambling with an itche for me, I think it would be Captain 13 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:21,159 Jack telling us about the sign up bonuses that were happening in Arizona and other 14 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:26,599 places for in the sports book. And when you live in Las Vegas, 15 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:34,200 the border Arizona border is not that far away, and so I was able 16 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:40,280 to travel to Arizona and get down all kinds of bets. It was a 17 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:45,519 lot harder than I thought it was it would be. It's not there's there's 18 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:49,439 a learning curve to dealing with the fine casinos and funding them and stuff like 19 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,239 that, and so it was not falling off a log that I thought it 20 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,400 would be in. It took several trips. It's just never easy. And 21 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:07,280 later I did it flying to Denver to take advantage of the Colorado bonuses and 22 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:15,199 with a different set of beginner problems that I had to deal with and got 23 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,800 some of them solved and not solved. Overall, it was a highly profitable 24 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:27,280 play. But that's one example of something I learned a while hosting Gambling with 25 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,039 an Edge. Richard, did you learn something that you implemented, Well, 26 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:37,520 it didn't come really from one guest. It just came from our guests in 27 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:45,039 general, which was the idea that every single game can be beat under the 28 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,240 right conditions. And one of the things I'm proudest of is that we have 29 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,879 had people on this show talking about beating every game you can imagine. And 30 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:06,080 the person that really drove that home for me was Mohan Sevastova, who we 31 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:10,000 had on twice, who was a guy who figured out a way to beat 32 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,879 scratch off lottery tickets, and just a month ago we had mister Dapion, 33 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:23,520 who you know, years later made enormous amounts of money playing the lottery. 34 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,800 And so when Mohan was on, I was like, if you can beat 35 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,639 the lottery, you can beat anything. And that is true. You can 36 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:37,599 beat anything. Now, not all the time and not every casino, but 37 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,919 under the right conditions, everything can be beat. And so that that's what 38 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:49,319 was really driven home. Yeah, I agree with that. And if if 39 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:57,560 you haven't read it yet, Mohan wrote a short story about scrabble that won 40 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 some awards. He's Canadian and won someone words. So his last name is 41 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:12,199 impossible, it's shrivastavas r Iva Stava. But if you look at Shrivastava scrabble 42 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,840 you'll find it. It is well worth spending the five minutes to read this 43 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,480 short story. It is delightful. Or you could actually if you just search 44 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:26,079 for the episode wherever you get Gambling with an Edge. I'm pretty sure that 45 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,519 the link to the article is in the show notes for the episode. He's 46 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,959 on one of the two episodes he's on, all right, So we weren't 47 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:40,480 planning to have it recommended for today. But that's the one I wasn't planning 48 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,959 on giving, all right. So how about an ap play that you missed 49 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,839 out on that you wish could have executed. Why don't you go first? 50 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:54,600 Because you asked me this just before we went on the air, and I 51 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:58,279 came up with one, and then now I've already forgotten what it was. 52 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:06,240 All I have several. One was from a period of time Caesar's Palace in 53 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:15,240 Las Vega installed one hundred dollars three coin full Pay Duce is Wild. Now 54 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:21,319 full Pay Duce is Wild is a one hundred points seven six percent game plus 55 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:26,319 the normal slot club benefits, and in this would be three hundred dollars a 56 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:34,519 hand. And so it was gone before I ever heard about it. People 57 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:41,000 shared the machine amongst themselves, like you can have it for four hours and 58 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,800 then I get it back, or whatever they did, and it was long 59 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:51,959 gone. Somebody had the nerve to be dealt in royal and for I guess 60 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,160 I'd be two hundred and forty thousand dollars. And that was the straw that 61 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:03,560 broke the camel's back. So so I just one. I actually I actually 62 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:11,399 have two. So the first one is back in the early eighties when when 63 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:18,759 I retired the first time. It was the heyday of computer blackjack, and 64 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:23,720 I had moved to LA and was busy trying to break into the film business. 65 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:31,360 And my teammates two different teams started playing with blackjack computer and made seven 66 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:36,720 figures. And I was, you know, busy trying to be an actor. 67 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,519 So that that's one, and another one is in the late nineties. 68 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:54,279 It was the heyday of banking the games in California, and I got involved 69 00:06:54,399 --> 00:07:00,199 just a little bit, but again I was doing other things, and you 70 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,680 know, my friends who got all the way into banking in California again, 71 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:10,399 you know, made seven figures. And so those are those are two of 72 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,439 the ones that I wish I hadn't missed out on. And I have another 73 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:18,680 one that I hadn't missed out on. Ticket in ticket out is relatively new 74 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,959 phenomenon from the mid nineties on, I guess. But it used to be 75 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,519 when you would get a jackpot, which would be and when the machine locks 76 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:38,040 up, the casino will give you will put five coins in to start your 77 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,439 next hand. Now, if you're playing dollar video poker on a four thousand 78 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:47,360 dollars jackpot chappens every forty thousand hands you get an extra five dollars, or 79 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:53,279 in some games aces with a kicker you get an extra five dollars. That 80 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:58,120 is no big deal. But then Sunset Station installed one hundred dollars machines. 81 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:03,120 This requires five hundred dollars to play. And every time you get three of 82 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:09,399 a kind or hire it's a w TWD. And so instead of getting fifteen 83 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:15,839 hundred dollars for the WTG WTG, they would give you the fifteen hundred and 84 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:20,160 then give you five coins for the next one to make to turn it into 85 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:24,920 a two thousand dollars jackpot. Wow, the pay schedule was dreadful, but 86 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,840 it doesn't matter. This was a I don't know about one hundred eighty percent 87 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,840 game on a five hundred dollars a hand game. So the players who just 88 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,679 figured this out, none of them could afford five hundred dollars. They just 89 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,679 uh, but they been when it's a partnership, it's impossible to lose. 90 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:00,600 But of course they the casino only put up with that for an nine hands 91 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,159 and hold the plug on it, and and during those nine hands they did 92 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:15,320 lose, So I wouldn't feel bad about missing that one just because you know 93 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,840 that's not gonna last. I mean, no matter how dumb the casino is, 94 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,200 they're going to figure that one out pretty quick. Yep. So did 95 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,120 you have another one that you were going to mention? You said you had 96 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:35,320 two. I mentioned of both the banking in California and the computer play in 97 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,840 that case, Collins. Third question is what is our favorite? Wow, 98 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,559 I can't believe I'm doing this moment as an ap. And for me, 99 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:50,919 that was in the late nineties playing video poker. There were huge promotions. 100 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Every weekend. They had ninety six Jacks, which is ninety nine and a 101 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,919 half percent with a six seventh slot club, generous comps, big promotions, 102 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,519 and so just going and playing ninety six Jacks are better, which is probably 103 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:16,679 the easiest video poker game ever to play perfectly. This was like several years 104 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,360 in a row for three or four hundred thousand dollars per person if you're playing 105 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:28,720 this full time, and it's just it would beat us well and give us 106 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,960 comp tickets, and it's just like, you know, I just think we 107 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,240 could be working and this was just a moment that we knew it wouldn't last, 108 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,360 and of course it didn't, but that was my wow, I can't 109 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,480 believe I'm getting to do this moment. Well, I have two again. 110 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:56,320 One of them was initially meeting Ed Thorpe at the Blackjack ball and having him 111 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:03,320 tell me he enjoyed my book and and and having him show up year after 112 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,080 year. You know, that was just really cool for me. Um. 113 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,799 But the other, the other one was a play that I really can't go 114 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:18,399 into the details of the play, but it was a play that involved there 115 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:26,559 were three other Hall of Fame members on the table with me on a play 116 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:35,519 that lasted twenty four hours and um was the largest table win of my career, 117 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:43,360 so um and and it was a play where a guy betting most of 118 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,039 the money was about as famous as you could get in the blackjack world, 119 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:56,559 and and the casino had absolutely no clue what was going on, none at 120 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:05,919 all. And and four months later invited him back, even after he we 121 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,159 decided he had to give up, he had to cash out the money because 122 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,120 we just thought it would be too weird for a guy to walk out the 123 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:20,960 door with that much in chips. Um and so he gave up id CTRD, 124 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,440 gave his real name, and four months later we were like, you 125 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,559 know, they never barn you, maybe we can go back. And he's 126 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:35,480 like it's not possible, like there's just no way, and but we said, 127 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,320 well, hey, call him on the phone and say you're thinking about 128 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,879 coming back, and see what they say. And they said, yeah, 129 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,759 come on, you know, we'll get your room and blah blah blah. 130 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,200 And we're like, oh my god. And we went back and within the 131 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,159 within the first hour, they came and shut the play down and said, 132 00:12:52,320 --> 00:13:00,919 uh, look, we googled you and again had no idea what was going 133 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,080 on, and because the game Wilson Blackjack that I think had a lot to 134 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,559 do with it, but yeah, it was maybe my favorite play of all 135 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:15,200 time. Yeah. Actually I haven't heard that story even offline, so I 136 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,399 would. I know, maybe the rest of you want more details on and 137 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,240 I know I certainly do, but it sounds like we're not going to get 138 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:28,000 him. All right. That's fun, Richard. I know you've mentioned enjoying 139 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:33,559 Ken Euston's million dollar Blackjack, something he said I take issue with as well 140 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,720 as I blew Colin Jones. Colin haven't mentioned playing early on with the seventy 141 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:43,360 percent risk of ruin? What can Euston said in the chapter on determination of 142 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,279 betting strategy, if we are winning players, chances of tapping out are never 143 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,480 more than one opportunity. I've often skeptically thought of that comment. Sitting short 144 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:00,840 stacked at the table, Richard, Well, I don't quite understand that one 145 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,559 out of two, I mean, fifty percent chance of tapping out. That 146 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,080 sounds absurd, Like, uh, you're of course you're going to tap out 147 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,440 if you do that. So I'm not sure what Ken meant. I remember 148 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:20,919 back in the eighties Ken calling my partner Daryl and saying, Hey, I 149 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,919 got these guys to put up some money from bankroll. How should I bet 150 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:31,120 it? And Daryl was like should I say to him? Like, why 151 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,200 don't you look in one of your books? Ken? So Ken Houston was 152 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:41,120 not the best guy to talk about bankroll management. But I don't know what 153 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:48,759 he's referring to, but yeah, so yeah, and it seems oh oh. 154 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:54,279 And as to Colin, Colin says like he didn't know what he was 155 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,320 doing. He obviously was playing with way too high a risk of ruin and 156 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,399 he didn't learn about that. Until much later in his career. So that's 157 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:07,039 that's what that's about. Yeah, and that's certainly true for me in video 158 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:13,159 poker on I didn't how to calculate risk of ruin early on. But there's 159 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:18,879 also seems to be a difference between a tapping up session wise and bank roll 160 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,080 wise. And so I'm thinking you never are going to bring your entire bank 161 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,480 roll to the table and risking that, although tapping out for individual session that 162 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:37,559 happens all the time where you have you know, four hundred or five hundred 163 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,279 bets with you out of whatever your bank roll is and lose that in an 164 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:46,279 individual session. All right. Next question, Bob, I met you many 165 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,159 years ago Bargota for a class and a copy of your books. Will you 166 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,879 be continuing with your Tuesday blog on Las Vegas Advisor? Answers Yes, I 167 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:03,200 continued. I planned to continue that blog indefinitely. Stopping the podcast has nothing 168 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,080 to do with changing my whole life for getting out of gambling completely or getting 169 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,879 out of writing. I'd like to find a way to I teach again. 170 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:18,320 I can find a casino that is interested in having me and has games that 171 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,919 are teachable. Next question, what is a penalty? For using ninety six 172 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,879 backs or better to play ten seven double bonus. And I haven't calculated this 173 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,000 recently, but I think it's about a half percent, taking the game from 174 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:41,480 one hundred point one seven to ninety nine point six approximately, probably more because 175 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,559 if somebody isn't talent enough or dedicated enough to learn ten seven double bonus, 176 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,759 that person probably doesn't know ninety six jacks or better perfectly anyway, all right, 177 00:16:52,840 --> 00:17:00,519 Next question is a sports betting about odds boosters that is promotional that some 178 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:06,079 sports book may offer. These bets mostly have plus EV. What do you 179 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,680 think about them? They could be a marketing tactic by the sports book to 180 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,960 get you to take on more variants. And a lot of sports books offer 181 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:22,440 small bonus bets every day they want to keep you coming back to their site. 182 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,720 Most of these are plus EV, so if you want to go to 183 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,319 their site, there are players who will go to all the sites in their 184 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:38,160 jurisdiction every day and make these small bets. And that is definitely positive EV. 185 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:45,400 And you can start out your day with fifty or one hundred, two 186 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 hundred dollars EV and then go on and do what you normally do. So, 187 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,720 yeah, if if I can recognize a good bet. I would. 188 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:59,880 I would definitely take this unless starting your day with a couple hundred dollars ev 189 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,640 isn't enough to be worth your time, which could be if if you're Richard 190 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,640 and talking about this game with four Hall of Famers on the table, stopping 191 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:18,960 to pick up two hundred dollars, it was way way too much so for 192 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,759 Richard, if you talk about it. How much whole carding did you do 193 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,240 in your career as a blackjack or other games? If you did hole carding, 194 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,799 did someone training what to look forward? You figure out and scout games 195 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:36,000 for yourself? Where'd you learn the correct strategy for playing against a known hole 196 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:41,960 part? So yes, I played quite a bit of hold cards in the 197 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:52,279 beginning. No nobody trained me in the beginning. It was finding dealers where 198 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:56,759 it was obvious, which there were so many hand dealt games in Las Vegas 199 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:02,440 back then that you know, there were just hundreds and hundreds of games to 200 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:07,640 look at, and the majority of the games were not what we used to 201 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:14,160 call front loaders or third basers with a handout game, but first basers because 202 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,920 the dealers used to peak under tens, so someone at first base could see 203 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,480 what the whole card was onto the ten. So I played much more of 204 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:30,640 that than I did. You know, Flashers, Yes, Blackjack and other 205 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,359 games. When other games got invented, that was a big boom for a 206 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,480 lot of people because many of the new games there were edges to be had. 207 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:44,720 So what was the rest of the question, I think? Or did 208 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,839 I answer all of it? Yes? I played it. Yes, I 209 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,079 played multiple games. No one taught me. Oh, where did I get 210 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:56,200 the strategy? Originally there was a strategy in Ken Euston's book. I think 211 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,400 it was million dollar Blackjack. There was a whole card strategy chart. You 212 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,920 know now the you know, the gold standard is Exhibit CIA by James grow 213 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:08,960 All. Right, now, question for me, says Bob. You've stated 214 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,920 on the show that card pulling, at least the type where you pull the 215 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,640 card between the deal and the drawing video poker isn't a thing anymore since machines 216 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,240 will retain the card's information through the draw. But do you ever or did 217 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:26,279 you ever employ other types of card pulling, such as removing the card before 218 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:32,720 the deal when you have a lot of multiplayers in ultimate act? And my 219 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:38,039 answer is I card pulled very rarely, simply because I'm a well known player 220 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,799 and at least in video poker, in every casino that allows me to play, 221 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,599 I assume there are some management people who think it's a bad idea for 222 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,880 them to let me play, so I try very hard not to give them 223 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,839 a reason to kick me out. I can never know when a camera is 224 00:20:52,880 --> 00:21:00,000 looking at me or being reviewed even after I leave, so I always act 225 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,480 as I'm being watched. I have ever done it? Yes? Do I 226 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:11,839 do it very often? No, in in slots. There's a lot of 227 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:21,119 really easy ways to do this on some games that you can generate huge losses 228 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:32,759 basically almost invisibly. But Dicky Krim mentioned a few of these uh month or 229 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,000 so ago. But um, but video poker, no, I'm not. 230 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:41,079 I'm not a card poler. Okay. I've been a regular listener for Gambling 231 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,480 with an Edge podcast last few years and I really appreciate all the time and 232 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,559 effort. Thank you very much. As you wrap up the show, could 233 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:52,160 you please recommend any other podcasts, blogs, forums, or other media resources 234 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,400 that come closest to providing the type of high quality current information and news about 235 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,519 advantaged place for which Gambling With and edges. No, this can include both 236 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,160 freed or paid resources. I don't mind paying for access to information. I 237 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,200 also listened to Risk of Ruins, Tens and Aces, the black Jack Apprentship 238 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,200 podcasts all are great, but they all release episodes much less frequently in gambling 239 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,799 with an edge. Okay, so what are the best podcasts? It depends 240 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,240 on your game. Sports betting has a number of good podcasts. I think 241 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:33,400 you know Captain Jack. I think Spanky Rufus has some of his own in 242 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:40,559 addition to the ones he does with Captain Jack. There are poker podcasts, 243 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,599 a number of them. I'm not up to date on the best ones. 244 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:51,240 Is that's not my game? The Richard, do you have anything to recommend 245 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:55,559 in that area? Well, if you covered, you covered the bulk of 246 00:22:55,559 --> 00:23:00,799 it. I would also add m guy Rob Pizzole, who we had on 247 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:04,599 the show, has a podcast called Circles Off, which he's a really good 248 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:12,039 interviewer. It's a it's a sports betting podcast, but I found it engaging, 249 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,160 even though I'm not a sports better. And the other one that I 250 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:22,079 would recommend, which isn't really a how to show but a very entertaining show, 251 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,000 is called Gamblers and it's on The Ringer, which is, you know, 252 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,519 an offshoot of ESPN of some sort, so he doesn't do that many 253 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,039 episodes. He has like a season. It's run by David Hill, who's 254 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:40,359 been on the show, and he'll do like eight episodes and then you know 255 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,960 it'll be gone for a few months or whatever. So um, I would 256 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,960 add those those two to the mix. Yeah, and Richards also recommended like 257 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:56,759 the Freakonomics podcast and a few other podcasts which are not directly related to gambling 258 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,759 usually, but he's commanded them, and I assume he's still does. Oh 259 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:06,079 yeah, absolutely, yeah. I have lots of other podcasts I could recommend, 260 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,839 but that aren't gambling related. Okay, what is the biggest life lesson 261 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,480 that you've learned while gambling? Not so much gambling, but life lessons. 262 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,359 So my advice on that is to take care of yourself healthwise and LifeWise. 263 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:29,680 Stop smoking, manage your weight, exercise lots of water. Being vaccinated is 264 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,160 a smart thing to do, whatever your politics. Maintain relationships with other humans, 265 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:41,559 even if you're a solo road warrior. Findet zoomed that interests you. 266 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:48,119 I participate in a Toastsbaster group out of Iowa. They still have it on 267 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,759 Zoom. They started. They've been around forever, but they started Zoom podcasts 268 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:59,279 they're still doing them. So I've never met any of the people personally, 269 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:07,119 although I know one from another podcast. But I now I'm kind of in 270 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,519 relationship with fifteen people who are interesting who I've ever met, but I certainly 271 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,880 know what they look like and what their life's all about. Having an interest 272 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:23,200 in other people, it's probably important consider volunteering. Branch out. Don't be 273 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:32,599 the one trick pony, either in gambling or in life Richard. So life 274 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:38,200 lessons from the show or from gambling, The two that stick out or three 275 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:45,200 that stick out to me are learned to look at life in terms of expected 276 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:52,480 value, like really understand what expected value is and apply that to other things 277 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,640 in your life. Another one is, man, I cannot say this enough 278 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,599 time, sort of stressed enough. Your success is going to be determined by 279 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:11,799 your network and how hard you work. It's just then your network is so 280 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:17,960 incredibly important. And as I mentioned on the last Mailbag show, one of 281 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,279 the greatest benefits of this show to me was it expanded my network so much 282 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:30,160 by meeting people I never would have met otherwise, so and it just makes 283 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,480 me anyway happier because I have more people that I interact with in interesting, 284 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,680 in creative ways. So those are the two to jump out at me. 285 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Now, Richard likes people more than 286 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,799 I like people, and so it is easier for he has been so much 287 00:26:53,839 --> 00:27:00,440 more successful at networking than I ever have. But I do believe believe that 288 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:07,480 my life works better when there's at least some other human interaction, and both 289 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:15,119 on a professional and a personal level or another Yeah, I'm sorry, go 290 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:22,880 ahead, finish your thought. No, go ahead. I also would add 291 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,599 I'm a big fan of quitting, So when things are not working, quit 292 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,119 So I think people get stuck in ruts where they feel like I can't quit. 293 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,119 I've got a mortgage or I I for whatever reason. But if you're 294 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,240 not happy doing what you're doing, then just stop and do something else. 295 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,960 You won't starve, You'll find another job or whatever it is. But life 296 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,759 is too short to hate. I really like the Anti Duke book on called 297 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:59,200 Quitting or Quit about some guidelines of when it does make sense to quit and 298 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,200 when it doesn't, and having a good quitting strategy makes a lot of sense, 299 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,880 all right. Next question. About a year ago, I met some 300 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,599 fellowayps who used to play black deck, but they told me they started building 301 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,359 players cards for free play. They started getting me into it, but it 302 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,480 soon turned me into working for them, where I would gather all their free 303 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,559 play for them off of multiple cards. They assured me it wasn't illegal, 304 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,519 but after seeing all the money it was producing and made me feel pretty uncomfortable, 305 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,920 I recently told him I wasn't going to be doing this anymore, but 306 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,519 I kind of figured that activity. A lot of people are doing this and 307 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,839 wanted to know from you guys if this kind of activity was legal or not, 308 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:47,079 or had any sage advice as to how to proceed would leave my conscious 309 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,160 feeling better. Now. I do play on my wife's card where it's allowed 310 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,039 or where I have not typically been told not to do it, which has 311 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:02,680 happened in a few places, But in general playing on somebody else's card, 312 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,640 especially several other person's cards, I believe it's fraud. There are a lot 313 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,039 of listeners to this podcast who do it. I'm not a fan. This 314 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,680 is an AP move, but it is also, in my opinion, cheating. 315 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:23,000 I would just add that it may be illegal in some places and not 316 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:30,599 others. But even if it is not illegal, I know quite a number 317 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,240 of people who have been arrested for it, and some charged for it, 318 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:38,559 and some who had to plead guilty to some charges for it. So it 319 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:45,319 is it is something you have to realize there is risk involved, and they're 320 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,480 giving you the risky part, right, You're the one going in with the 321 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:56,400 multiple cards to pick up the money. So yeah, I would definitely not 322 00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:02,759 be doing it for somebody else unless they're I mean, even if they were 323 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,240 paying me a lot a big chunk of the of the money. Often you 324 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:10,759 know they're paying people ten percent or twenty percent to go pick up the free 325 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:15,319 play. You know. I think it's I think it's crazy. All right. 326 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,599 What do you both predict for the future of AP Richard, Well, 327 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:26,559 I've said this on the air a number of times. I predict that ten 328 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:33,480 years from now there may be no live casino games anymore. That it'll all 329 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:44,400 be machines, and it will be impossible to play anonymously because places they're already 330 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,839 restaurants and things like that that will not accept cash. It's eventually it'll be 331 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,799 casinos that won't accept cash. It'll be some something on your phone or some 332 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,400 device that hasn't been invented yet where you will get your money into play through 333 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,839 that device, and because of that, they will have all your information. 334 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:14,319 So for the vast majority of people, AP will be dead. But sharp 335 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,039 aps are always going to find ways to beat games. I at least I 336 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:26,200 believe that even if you can't be anonymous, and even if there's no cash, 337 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,880 sharp players are going to find a way to beat games. Yeah, 338 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:37,039 it's a mindset. I mean it's yeah. It might not be card counting, 339 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,000 it might not be video poker. Who knows what it'll be. I 340 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:47,599 mean, nobody thought they'd be out playing slots full time twenty years ago. 341 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:55,440 But that's a thing, right, So things change and you adapt or die, 342 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,880 all right, Does anyone still earning in black jack with automatic shuffle machines 343 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:07,720 Richard, Well, most of the people making money in blackjack aren't playing. 344 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:15,160 I think you mean continuous shuffling machines. Automatic shuffling machines are just machines that 345 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,079 shuffle the cards for you, but they still deal them out of a shoe 346 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640 with a cut card and deal, you know, four decks out of six 347 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:30,400 or whatever are but continuous shuffling machines, then card counting is mostly dead in 348 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,119 that situation. That doesn't mean that the game of blackjack can't be beat, 349 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,519 but it is mostly dead for card counters if all they have is continuous shuffling 350 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:45,119 machines, like some of the countries in Europe. But they still might have 351 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:51,079 whole carding possibilities on these games or promotions or something. Well yeah, but 352 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,240 not in Europe because they don't take a whole card. But there might be 353 00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:00,480 other ways to beat the game. Yeah, all right, what is your 354 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,839 favorite casino game of all time? Well, I mean, I'm I'm just 355 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,319 tempted to say blackjack, just because that's where I spent the most amount of 356 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,759 my time. Yeah, well, you're still debated. Yeah, let me 357 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,839 let me try my answer. For me, even though I play a lot 358 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,079 of slots these days, video poker has been the my meat potatoes for almost 359 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:34,799 thirty years, and for me, in video poker my favorite. I enjoy 360 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,599 induces while and quick quads more than other video poker games, but I always 361 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:47,640 ranked favorite in terms of expected dollars per hour, and for me for an 362 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,440 extended period of time, that was always at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas 363 00:33:53,519 --> 00:34:01,359 during my Million Dollars run twenty some years ago, where they were given away 364 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,599 the store and didn't realize that. I just kept playing and playing and playing, 365 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:13,920 and that was definitely something that was really favorite for me. Yeah, 366 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,800 what's your largest failure in a casino? Did we have this question before? 367 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,239 I thought we answered it? Maybe not, maybe I just read it. 368 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,599 But anyway, if I've told the story before, forgive me. But in 369 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:36,079 nineteen eighty five, there used to be a magazine called Gambling Times. It 370 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:45,480 was a monthly magazine and I would read it religiously. And I saw a 371 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,559 little ad in the back of the magazine that said they were opening a new 372 00:34:51,639 --> 00:35:00,480 casino in Aruba and they were going to have single deck. And I immediately 373 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,360 called my friend Daryl, and I said, Hey, we need to go 374 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,360 to a Ruba. And so I had found two games. One was in 375 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,119 Through a Sow where they had an early surrender, and then there was this 376 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,960 game. So we went to Curius Out first. We got stuck right away 377 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:22,280 with the early surrender, and so we ended up there extending our trip and 378 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,000 we didn't have a lot of time left, so we finally flew over to 379 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:30,480 a Ruba and we get to a Ruba and we asked them where's the new 380 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,079 casino, and they send us to a place and we go there and there's 381 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,400 no single deck, and so we go scout all the other casinos on the 382 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:45,360 island and it's not there. It was all a false alarm. So we 383 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,880 lost this money and we head back to Vegas and I later found out that 384 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,440 there was a casino that we missed somehow. It was not right on the 385 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,920 beach and we did not find it. And the guy who did find it 386 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,239 was able to win three hundred thousand dollars on that game before they kicked him 387 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,880 out, and those are nineteen eighty five dollars. And so that was my 388 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,920 biggest failure, the fact that we did not find that game, knowing that 389 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:22,159 we were going there specifically to look for that game. All Right, what 390 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,519 is the single best piece of gambling advice you could give to an up and 391 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:30,599 coming gambler. Well, I think we just kind of covered that a couple 392 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,840 of questions ago. But the best piece of advice is think about things in 393 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:44,559 terms of expected value, and your success will be determined by your network and 394 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:50,239 how hard you were. Yeah, I'm thinking the person who sent this question 395 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,320 is wants to know how to get rich without doing any work, and I 396 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,320 don't know how to do that. Yeah, good luck with that, all 397 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,239 right, Where you're going to have our last commercial break and we have poor 398 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,519 questions before we wait, you know what, wait just a second, I 399 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:16,840 have one more piece of advice. Conventional wisdom is maybe conventional, but it's 400 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,320 not wisdom. I think there is money to be made in areas where people 401 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,719 say, oh, well, you can't do this, and and sometimes those 402 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,280 are the areas you need to go really investigate because you won't have competition if 403 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,239 you find a way to do what everybody tells you you can't do. So 404 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:45,119 just you know a couple examples or one example of that is it used to 405 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,440 be, you know, when six to five came out, people were just 406 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,239 like, oh, this is horrible, the death of blackjack, and you 407 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,360 know, nobody should ever play six to five. And there were a lot 408 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,800 of players who made lots of money playing six to five because they didn't listen 409 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,039 to the conventional wisdom. Another example was every time somebody brought up computers on 410 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:14,960 the old BJ twenty one, Stanford Wong and a whole list of guys would 411 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:21,079 immediately say that's illegal, you'll go to jail. Well, it was illegal 412 00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:27,400 in Nevada, that didn't mean it was illegal everywhere. And so again, 413 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,480 you know, people who did not listen to the conventional wisdom were able to 414 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,679 play with computers and places where it was still legal. So just one more 415 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,000 piece of advice, and ploppies, those options are not available to ploppies. 416 00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:50,639 I'm assuming ploppies mean you know nothing about advantage gambling, and what Richard's talking 417 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:57,320 about is pretty sharp players looking for new ways on top of the old ways. 418 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,239 But they're really well versed in the old ways, so it may not 419 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:07,760 be thing. 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I probably was eighteen 458 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:31,880 or nineteen years old and with my first real girlfriend, and we both were 459 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,760 Sunday school teachers at the local Methodist church, and so they took all so 460 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,079 we kind of chap broke a group of kids who went to a carnival and 461 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,679 they had a fire a gun and hit a target and if you can knock 462 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:52,559 go the target, you get a free teddy bear. So Gretchen Toby she'd 463 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:58,639 like a teddy bear. So it didn't look that hard. So I went 464 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,360 and went up there, and they showed me how easy it was, and 465 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,400 they just like tipped it with a long stick and fell right over, And 466 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,559 then they put it back up there again and had me shoot, and even 467 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,079 if I bet again, they would let me use the stick to push it 468 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:23,079 over. And of course it didn't work because but I noticed the thing I 469 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:31,639 had to tip over had it it was lopsided, and if the the fat 470 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:37,920 side, then when you tip the top it just falls over and but doesn't 471 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,079 fall off the shelf. And if you if the fat side is behind, 472 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,800 then when you tip the top it actually falls into the hole. So um, 473 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,159 but I noticed that it had a I noticed the spot, and when 474 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,000 they did it to show me how easy it was, the spot wasn't there. 475 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,400 And when I had to do what the spot was there. So after 476 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,639 I had the stick to they just allowed me to push it over if I 477 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,199 paid for the bet. Then I said, you need to turn it around 478 00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:15,440 because you're cheating, and if you turn it around, I'll tell everybody how 479 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,119 are you cheating them? So they turned it around and let me push it 480 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,639 over with the thing and I got Gretchen a Teddy Bear. So um, 481 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,760 I have no idea where that teddy Bear is today. I suspect it is 482 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,400 long gone, but I have not seen Gretchen for sixty years and Teddy Bear 483 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,199 either. All Right, you said that the worst thing you can do with 484 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,800 the promotional match wager is to get on Roulette and have one person place their 485 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,400 match bet on red and the other place at the same wager on black, 486 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,679 and then split the wind if the wind happens. It took I took my 487 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,159 friends to be acclaim and using Southwest promotion that has been mentioned on the show. 488 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,960 Thank you very much, and my buddy who rare. Hambles took the 489 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,800 advice from the group DGEN to use the strategy attempt to talk both out of 490 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,280 it, and alluded to the show saying they're better off placing it on number 491 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,480 or numbers. The DGEN said, but this is a sure thing. Um 492 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,000 well it hit green, so I felt validated. Can you explain this again 493 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,559 so I can share with them? Or in what episode can I find this 494 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:32,159 information? Oh, we don't want to spend their last episode talking about math. 495 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:39,320 Uh yeah, I don't. I don't remember what episode it was in. 496 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,599 But you know, people like that, I think you're better off not 497 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:50,519 even trying to or or you know, a better thing is whatever they think 498 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:54,719 they're guaranteed to win, offer them that amount of money to buy the coupon 499 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,519 from them, and then better the right way and earn the extra EV. 500 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:06,199 Yeah, and you know, one one thing about EV is you can lose 501 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:13,199 on this particular If you're really concerned about winning this particular time, then yeah, 502 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,840 taking the guarantee is worth something. But if you're in this game for 503 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,159 a length of time, winning this particular time is not so important. It's 504 00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:29,760 how you do over over the year, over your lifetime that matters. Also, 505 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,760 by the way, most places will not allow you to bet those coupons 506 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,480 on a single number, so it may not have even been an option. 507 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:44,559 Yeah, And when when I play at the d with my those coupons, 508 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:50,159 I use it on the it's the gambling pass line, just the craps pass 509 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:58,159 line, and it's resolved fairly quickly. I win my forty nine percent of 510 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:04,480 the time that are supposed to and it works out fine. And so they 511 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,360 can you can have a lot of these coupons all at once. You get 512 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,320 two every two every time you show your pet. In addition to Southwest, 513 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:20,519 they also will accept boarding passes from Spirit Airlines, and so you can do 514 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,960 it every time you come to Vegas. As long as you flew on one 515 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,519 of those airlines, you get two of these twenty five dollars match play cupons. 516 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,719 So if there's two of you, that's four coupons for all right. 517 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,760 And when I play, I'm also playing someone slots at the same time. 518 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:44,360 I'm not going in there just to collect the bonus. If I'm in there 519 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,920 and they and I have to go to booth to collect it, I make 520 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,519 sure they have play on my card on day, all right. Next question 521 00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,920 I'm a new listener and very much enjoy your podcast. I played Black Teck 522 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,079 for years and have recently tried high local hard counting system and, being honest 523 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,519 with myself with my attention deficit disorder, I found the hours on end concentration 524 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,159 remark successfully implement the system is just too much for me. Instead, I'm 525 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:15,239 playing perfect basic strategy at the most busy table I can find while playing rated 526 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,199 with casino comps. I'm actually playing very close to break even and having fun 527 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,119 doing so. My question is is there any advice for lowering the house edge 528 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:30,239 further than what I'm already doing without using a professional card counting system. My 529 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,639 interested is being the smartest gambler I possibly can, given that card counting is 530 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,800 too tough for me. Well, I would say probably there were There are 531 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,800 things you could do. I assume you're playing double deck, which is going 532 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,239 to give you the lower house edge than the shoe games, and there are 533 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,599 some kind of combinations of cards that would give you a tiny amount, but 534 00:48:54,119 --> 00:49:01,800 better would be to try to fool them on your size of your bet and 535 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,639 the amount you're playing. So Comps City is a book we've talked about a 536 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,239 lot by Max Rubin, And the idea is your comps are based on your 537 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:19,239 average bet and the amount of time you're playing. So if you can convince 538 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,559 them that you're betting more than you really are and that you're playing more longer 539 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:30,400 than you really are, that will lower the amount that you're giving to the 540 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:37,320 casino and EV but get you more in comps. So the ways to do 541 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,760 that are to bet more when the pit boss is over there filling out the 542 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:47,239 rating card and then lower your bets when he walks away, and taking frequent 543 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:54,320 bathroom breaks, doing things like getting to the table before they're going to change 544 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,639 the cards, because it always takes time for them to go through all the 545 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,159 decks and change the cards, and you're on the clock while that's happening. 546 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:09,119 So yeah, those are the things that can increase your comps and lower the 547 00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:16,760 amount of EV you're giving the casino. Right, last question about video poker, 548 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,440 I've recently started practicing on my phone, and when trying to play quickly, 549 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,639 I occasionally hold a face car to throw away a low pair just by 550 00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:29,039 accident, but it will make me feel better if they don't see an additional 551 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,719 low card of the same value on the draw because I figured it wouldn't have 552 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,440 hit a three or four of a kind with that car. Is this the 553 00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,199 correct mentality or would the draw be different had I kept the pair? I 554 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,039 figure out I'm wrong, But it does make me feel better about making a 555 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:51,719 mistake. Well, I'm glad it makes you feel better whatever. Whenever that 556 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,320 happens to me, I slow down. Usually such mistakes are made by playing 557 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,280 too fast. These airs add up, which can mean the game you thought 558 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:08,320 you were playing with advantage you aren't. So whatever card you actually hit on 559 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:14,039 this practice on your phone, you have no bearing on anything. That's not 560 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,920 really a payoff window. And when you're playing, if you make this mistake 561 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,480 in a casino, it's the cards are still shuffling, and so the actual 562 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,840 cards that you get after holding the single high card are going to be different 563 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,400 than the ones you you got if you if you held it a tick slower. 564 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,519 So basically, slow down and you'll be And so we're at the end. 565 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:43,400 Do you have any last words for our listeners, Richard, Just that 566 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:52,440 it's been a pleasure. I started August of twenty eleven, so twelve years 567 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,119 ago, almost twelve years, and it's just it's been great. I've learned 568 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:01,599 a lot, met a lot of great people. So yeah, I've really 569 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,559 really enjoyed my time doing this. Yeah, and I started six months before 570 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:14,559 that where Frank Niela was my co host for a while. And I've learned 571 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:21,719 a lot and I appreciate the I've become. I become less of a pariah. 572 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:29,039 Since I started this, I have historically had lots of bad um things 573 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:35,719 written about me in various blogs, various Internet forums. And since I started 574 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,079 the show and people have gotten to know me more. Um, a lot 575 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:47,599 of the questions still have gone away. The still on I'm not the I 576 00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:52,159 don't have a lot of fans on blackjack discord. I understand that, and 577 00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,800 they still trash me regularly, but um wait, they love you. They 578 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:04,400 love sexualizes and video poker. Okay, shall we say that opinion is not 579 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,880 unanimous over there. But uh, but I've enjoyed it. I've grown a 580 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:19,119 lot as a knowledge wise UM have now accepted as a wise senior citizen of 581 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,559 in the gambling world, which is um not a bad position to be in. 582 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,400 I continue to get invited to the Blackjack ball, for which I'm grateful. 583 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,840 I enjoy that, even though blackjack is not my game and getting to 584 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:45,880 know Richard better has been a plus, and I'm one of my goals is 585 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,679 to stay in touch with him even after we end this the good part of 586 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:54,119 my network, well, thank you all our listeners for this. Thank you 587 00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:00,079 Richard. Go out and hit a royal flush everybody. Good day to