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' re enjoying this summer, as I' m doing on this summer break,
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de lux Now I' ll tell you straight away, but first I want
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Baby And precisely to breakfast Baby. I have to talk to you today and
it' s that friend Tony invited me to participate in his new format.
Mrs de lux, a programme not so much from Tertulia, but above all
from three very important blocks of debate. In this case three sections, One
dedicated to plugging Lebron James and his son in Los Angeles Lakes, another regarding
the disappearance of some podcasts on the Podcast platform. This was the debate I
brought on the table and another section brought by friend Ivan of Sinpelos in the
Beats, centered on the prostitution of podcasting and well, a debate I already
say two of the three, two of the three senso focused on podcasting that
it is sure that you will enjoy as much as I did by recording and
participating in this podcast. Notice that it will not be the last podcast of
these specials that I bring you, because I have been invited to another podcast
that I will then record as soon as I finish recording and editing this delivery
that I bring you today. But, well, I' ll bring it
to you in a few days that you continue to enjoy the summer and that
you continue downloading, listening and producing podcasts. We keep seeing each other on
the other side of the microphone. Very good people, how are we today
in another chapter of that Luxe fleece. We have new guests walking around here
who have come to tell us some very interesting topics first of all and I
will try to throw away a little education and welcome. I' m going
to give the honor first to my exquisite companion and they fartlessly go into the
beats. I' ve had a hard time convincing you, but in the
end we' ve got you here for nothing. Toni you told me to
come and here I am fulfilling my word. Looks like I' m convinced
of the first one and everything that looks good when we say it like that,
uh, yeah, yeah. And another one who will surely say that
he accepted the first one is going to be Jorge, because he also knows
how to look good with me and it seems perfect to me. Welcome,
Jorge, how are we? Thank you very much. I think it took
me less than three seconds to get the message. I said okay, it
was kind of something like that. Yeah, you know, I' m
gonna ask, or what, or anything, or anything to see. I
' m on holiday podcast tiles. Now I already have a monkey used to
recording daily. Now it' s been a week for a man. It
took me to introduce you. It is that I never know if you presented
as the other side of the microphone, as ehwey as everything is worth everything,
because come on, well good, then ta fomba if you want or
sell as you want you can refer to your podcasts when you want to spin
the topics that you are going to treat, that is to say, take
it to the dog what you want and as you want only you. I
' m going to ask for three things in combat. I don' t
want low blows under the waist, but to subjects we' ve dealt with
before and I don' t want you to have a bad time. Then
we' ve come to have fun and have fun. I have to say
that it' s been a long time, just like we haven' t
recorded together since you didn' t invite me to always do the beats.
There' s no promotion or it' s like I don' t remember,
man, what we were talking about about Goku and these little things.
No, no, no, no, no. I just sent you an
audio, I don' t remember, but I' ll talk to you
about saying I now shield not with the like actions and something like that we
were ah that, yeah, yeah, the right thing, something had the
audio was Jorge in this case with googes that, that, yeah, yeah,
we did the live action that even we didn' t agree on what
was blife faction. But, well, I' m glad to know that
there are people in the comments that are right about me. So all right
of the whole order. I love when I play or hist and fif You
well, once we know who it is they will participate, without having any
idea what we are going to talk about, it just remains for me to
say we start here. Sayonara starts from lux the variety podcast is where four
very different topics will be exhibited and each of them will be debated with very
different views. Sixty extreme minutes of opinion, fun and entertainment. Sayonara de
lux and we have Jorge in the first instance. Jorge' s not gonna
bring a little controversy. Looks to me like he' s coming looking forward
to how we got him on a podcastile vacation. Come on, I'
m going into a little bit of controversy, or at least I imagined it
without my head and it sounded great to me. What are you introducing us
to today? Well, let' s see, polemic, polemic, no
yes, that it' s true that you can set a precedent, a
before and a after in podcasting, as we know it to see. You
have to grab it with tweezers more than anything, because we don' t
know anything exactly what you' ve actually paid for. There are rumors.
There are rumors. I am referring to a fact that took place in the
past between last Thursday and last Friday 27th 28th June, and that is that
there have been four podcasts, of the most important, or at least of
the most media of the podcast producer, Podio, a podcast of the Prisa
group. And the first thing I want to say is that I don'
t work with Podium Podcast or any of his podcasts or have anything to do
with it. Nor am I just a mere spectator, in this case,
a mere listener and a social media viewer who is seeing this a little bit
from the barrier, because and this is something that needs to be clarified,
all I am going to comment on today are rumors. You don' t
know anything. Officially, nothing has been confirmed. All there are are suspicions
and these are conjectures that I have pulled out and that have brought out several
more companions. What happened between Thursday and Friday. There were four podcasts that
were suddenly uploading their episodes to me and they are even one of the four
affected, which are the field to which there are Dragons, cabinet of curiosities
and my favorite year disappeared. It appeared on the face of the Earth as
if thnos had come and snapped his fingers and made these four podcasts disappear Even
one of these four podcasts, specifically here Dragons had uploaded one of those episodes.
There have been people who have heard one of those, that particular episode,
but the vast majority of listeners have not even been able to download it.
Well, then, ah, it must have been a mistake or a
shame not. Well, they' ll be back. Well, the fact
is, they' ve disappeared from podcast platforms They' ve disappeared from their
good poding podcast website. There are even some of them who had their own
website that I won' t say deleted, but hidden, so that you
can' t listen to their podcast or know anything about their podcast. Okay.
The fact is that several messages from the creators of one of these podcasts
began to appear. For example, Nuria Pérez, the curious cabinet maker,
said yes, Cabinet Curiosities. The platforms have disappeared and so far what I
can tell without crying. Thank you all for your input. Here are dragons.
With a couple of pictures to put a message, a little longer.
All this on Twitter for other people' s reasons. Here are dragons.
Today we upload the episode two hundred and sixty- six, which is that
famous one who appeared and disappeared. We regret the inconvenience caused. We are
the first affected and we ourselves are trying to clarify the situation. We'
ll give you more information as soon as we have it. Thank you for
your support and Sergio del descampo said two important points. You may be having
trouble listening to the latest episodes. In some cases, even when looking for
a platform, there are problems that I hope will be solved in the near
future. Thanks to seeing many of you surely happened to you and that you
have deleted an episode or that has crashed or that even your podcast, because
you have had to move it or good things that happen with podcasts. But
here we are talking about one of the largest podcast producers in Spain, even
one of the largest Spanish podcast producers worldwide. Four of his podcasts, I
' m not going to say bigger, because there are very big ones,
but more media, with more followers, with better ones. Anyway, and
the most surprising thing about all of this is the null communication by power a
podcast. You would say good to see does not have to give explanations to
anyone and, indeed, does not have to give explanations to anyone. But
it' s a little ugly for listeners, even the creators themselves, they
' re supposed to have been informed by these messages, which count as good
is being solved. They are causes alien to us, but of course they
disappear overnight. I' m not going to say that they stop publishing,
that they disappear completely as if they didn' t. I' ve worked
there never or ever aired there. Wow a little bit, I' d
swear that in the fifteen years I' ve been ecusing podcasts, I'
ve never seen anything like it and then, on the other hand, why
all this. Rumors say, all guesses point to what is the problem with
the music and copyright of some of the songs they have used and that,
well, or a podcast has decided to heal itself in health and remove all
the content of these podcasts, which I can get to understand. But to
a certain extent, could you cut those chapters? You may even leave the
podcast without chapters, but as much as erasing all traces of these podcasts is
a bit serious. I don' t know, I say I haven'
t heard, I don' t know about anything like that, not even
on a global level. I don' t know. Yes, for example,
there is another similar case more or less, with some chapters of Joe
Rogan' s podcast, which Spotify started deleting because, well, there was
talk of vaccination issues, well things that about covid Spotify didn' t want
to pronounce if he decided to delete it, but not something as serious as
this. So of course, as a podcast creator and as a good podcast
producer, even as I see that this is a possible precedent for something that
is going to start taking matters into account. Whether it is true what is
confirmed by rumors that it is due to the use of music without rights or
at least without defined rights or we do not know. These are assumptions,
but without group haste and I could a podcast, they are not able to
get the commercial rights when it comes to one of the oldest radios in Spain,
of one of the largest producers in Spain, bar world in Spanish and
they have had to cut these podcasts in root. For me and for many
people we believe that we are already putting a little limit to this freedom that
we had so far to use all kinds of content without giving explanations to anyone
and that we do not know what will happen. Then. Well, this
is the debate I' m raising not so much for these four podcasts you
hear. If you want to talk about the personal issue, but I think
that many of them will be quite affected, because there is a lot of
praise, for example, for the field, because it is an important part
of their work. Or at least that' s what I think, perhaps
for Arturo González Campos, who is affected by two of these podcasts. But,
well, he' s a writer, an actor, a presenter,
etcetera, etcetera. It has many more open fronts. It' s not
that bad, though it has to hurt or in the case of Nuria Pérez.
Maybe it' s not that bad because the podcast is over a long
time ago. But the truth is that it is a work of art and
a work of art that, moreover, was financed by crowd Funding in several
seasons And to me personally, if they do it with my podcast, which
is a podcast very much to walk by home, with many chapters worth,
but very much to walk by home. If they did it to me,
they' d hurt me tremendously. I don' t even want to imagine
these podcast creators that many of them are wave winners in the end, that
they are works that have been going on for many years, that have many
listeners behind them and that have disappeared overnight. And so far my diguación,
I don' t know how many minutes I' ve been. Come on,
I was controlling you, you were on time so you wouldn' t
overdo it or equip me quickly with Ivan' s world. What do you
think about it, as a podcast creator or podcast that has been apart for
many years, you' re on a platform where there' s an agreement
with les Gue, you' re always in the Beats and you' re
on eBox. What an opinion you deserve to see. I have also researched
this subject because, as a content creator, in a way, because it
also harms me. And then, of course, I wanted to nourish myself
and find out a little bit what happened. Then, as Comrade Jorge says,
it is in the end rumors. But, you know, when the
river sounds water carries, then. I think there are two main culprits here.
I don' t think so, I didn' t blame one exclusively.
I think there are two main culprits here. First of all, Prisa,
the group of Prisa, which is in the end the company behind Podium,
that has not even released an official statement saying I am explaining no because
you think we are not talking about four content creators or four podcasts. We
' re talking about thousands of people. That' s how we' re
talking. It is not that it has obviously harmed, the main victims are
the four people behind or the people behind those projects. But not just that
anymore. These are thousands of people who read weekly. So to me,
in my personal opinion, it seems a lack of respect and very important that
questions the professionalism of this company, which in the future, because it is
clear that it is to think very well about what type of platform you are
going to publish your content, because, of course, Prisa is not being
a serious company. We are talking about the fact that already at the time
of recording this podcast, this same podcast that we are having right now,
it has already happened that about a week ago, then that in a week
a company supposedly serial, I say supposedly serious, has not given a single
explanation or a single communiqué or even to the creators themselves to explain what has
happened, that is, an absolute vacuum, an absolute nothing. So how,
as a content creator, you can trust these people. I mean,
it' s totally and absolutely impossible. So, I repeat, it is
not a lack of respect for the creators themselves, but also for the thousands
of people who listen to their platform on a daily basis, not to mention
that there are thousands of people who also leave the money. That must also
be taken into account. And then another thing that I think is also necessary
to mention. I believe that the content creators of these podcasts themselves are also
partly to blame. We are talking about the fact that every day, the
GAE itself knows that the gae itself is an eye for alarm is lurking.
You know that a few years ago there was a fairly important policy in Spain,
that is to say, as to not be prevented or not know what
will happen then, as creators of content and more and with more reason living
from it, it is your duty and responsibility to inform you of what can
and cannot be done. So, for me to come up with a content
creator and tell me this is that I didn' t know that this music
could be used, because it' s your job, that is to say,
at least to inform you of what can be done or what can'
t be done, then. One thing that has very positive Evox with respect
to other platforms is that it has an agreement with the GAE that in principle
supposedly covers you from all those songs protected with the right to copy. Likewise,
no one guarantees you that there may be some song, something that will
knock you down, because, maybe it doesn' t fit into that list
there is. But I insist that you, as a content creator, have
to know what you can or cannot do. What can' t be is
that I freely use protected content when I' m right- handed and then
my podcast is knocked over. Tell me my mom, they knocked my podcast
down. Well, no, I' m really sorry. It is also
important guilt, for an important part of these own creators, I myself,
for example, confess and recognize that I use songs of content the same in
my own podcast. But I know the rules of the game. I mean,
I take the risk and I play and I play with it. Then
it is also true that if you have a button, if you see what
happened to me, you cut me at any time, if you continue to
have the gesture, okay, you will make the perfect gesture, because to
see there are ways to mock the copyright. I myself these days as a
result of this controversy, because I have informed myself and there are methods to
mock the copying system, because changing the tone of the song, the rhythm
and a long, etcetera, so that you do not detect it by copyright.
So, well, there are measures, there are measures. So,
that' s what everyone wants to get involved and each one the job they
want to do. But well, in short, to end very badly on
the part of Podium, very bad also on the part of the creators themselves.
Now I also say that the fact that you violated some other song doesn
' t seem to me sufficient reason to share a whole year' s work
and have laid down hundreds of programs, because that in the end is not
a hundred thousand hours, not even I in my own podcast confess it.
I' ve thrown not a hundred thousand hours of sleepless night into this project
of mine. Be depriving me of doing many other things, because I'
m working on this. So it doesn' t seem to me as a
matter of receipt that all the work of your whole life was totally and absolutely
lying down for having inflicted such a minimum that they could have done. A
warning is sent. Hey, heads- up. You are making this careful
that next time we will take the measure but not at least as I do,
at least as I know or at least as I understand it, has
not reached them with any warning or warning. To say, it has come
to absolutely nothing, for which or good, because also by Prisa, because
if Prisa is the one that distributes his poks and the producer of those podcasts
has to know, then, what he takes care of and what he cannot
do, then if the warning reaches the Prisa itself, I say to him
listen, boys, be careful that we have reached this notice to the next
one, because they can knock down the program. But, in my opinion,
as for example with Spotify and Spotify, what it does if it detects
a song with copyri, which makes you delete that program. But it doesn
' t completely eliminate you. This is the whole podcast, which I find
a fool. But here there are two factors. First, one is Odium,
as a producer of other podcasts that we don' t know in the
end what agreement he has with each of the creators, as Jorge commented well
before. And then if Podium belongs to Prisa, Risa has some specific agreements
with the Gae, which has to be renewed every x time. And it
' s not the same, or I guess the gae we all know likes
to scratch a lot when it' s for radio. Or now that you
' ve seen that there' s a row here, there' s a
kind of bubble with the podcast issue and there' s companies asking for capitalizations.
How can it be possible where it is getting millions and millions of euros
and so and they if they want to carry a percentage. In fact,
I already had an experience in a communication group that I worked with the EPAs.
They came at first to ask us for a percentage of the billing,
not of the billing benefits, and they didn' t care what activity you
did if you had some music, if they wanted to bring a total of
the billing percentage. Time wasn' t going to tell you I think for
Podium, Apodium, they don' t care, I mean, you think
that we podcasts, we' re numbers, I mean I think these people,
the Podium, don' t have any love for podcasts, because now
podcasts, now all many, ever more platform and ever more people are betting
on podcasts, because podcasts, everything has been said, are fashionable. So
of course, there are platforms like Podio and so they' re betting on
podcats. But I don' t think because I' ve talked to other
people about issues. I don' t think they feel love for the podcast.
I want it to last and last a pure and hard business. And
if the moment someone' s a bit of a nuisance to you or I
get in the way of a lame boom and take it out of a feather,
because to me you' re just a number to make money, then
what I think these people, because they have no respect for their own podcast,
they don' t have any kind of affection and it' s more
of a business than anything else. Then, because very bad on the part
of Prisa I insist a company supposedly serious, but it would be little.
Here. The thing is, we' re missing data. And I'
m going to point out one thing you said to yourself. You said the
creator must know the rules of the game. I do, I have to
say that if he gets in the way, he changes the rules when he
wants to, and we' ve seen him with the bars where I charge
you for having TV, but then if you' re going to play football,
I charge you aside. I' m paying for the plus bar whatever
it' s called, but then the SGA is if you' re going
to get more of the stories out of it you have to pay more off.
Sure, but that' s as long as it' s corrected in
updates to the Gadel itself in terms of contractual, that is, if you
violate a rule before you' ve come up with that legislation, that regulation
you couldn' t have done it for, because then they can' t
tell you absolutely anything. Now, if they publish that content publicly, say
as public content, it is your obligation to inform you. It' s
like, for example, every day you publish information the boy no one reads
the boeh but has nothing that doesn' t exist. It is not the
same, because this, in the end, is a private entity that has
rights granted to make an exploitation. In fact, there are more entities that
happen here, the larger and the more associated there are. There is no
transparency with the artists who are subscribed. There is no transparency with the music
listings through which these artists are paid. We' re in interest. But
if you get knocked over the content for something that doesn' t reflect the
contractual conditions on your own website, web, etc, you can lie down
perfectly, it' s even reportable. They can' t knock something down
if it' s not publicly published It' s you. In fact,
Jorge is one of those who has always recommended not to use content with rights.
It' s just to see him turning back a po. I doubt
it very much. I doubt much more than anything, because, especially because
what there are dragons has been recorded live on the SED sites. I mean,
it doesn' t surprise me very much that they put music themselves knowing
they couldn' t do it. Me. What I think has happened is
that either I pruned a podcast, or a pris group or then whatever it
was they thought I had a series of rights to broadcast songs in podcast format
and then it turned out that no, which they might lead. We don
' t know, because they' re all guesses maybe they' ve been
on trial for three years and that' s when the sentence has come out
and that sentence has forced them to do it. I don' t know
about this, but I doubt very much that these four creators would use music
by mistake. Yours saying good. I sane it because, since I'
m in podium here, this is okay. I doubt it very much,
so I' m responsible for podium and the first day I get hung up
by a song that can' t be used, I say watch chat.
I' m really sorry about this, but it can' t be done
here because we don' t play the legal department of Grupo Prisa. I
say there won' t be any. I' m already new, if
that' s really the case, we don' t know. I'
m saying all this is conjecture, imagination. And I' m also telling
you, Jorge, if they want to go for the podcasters, I'
m telling you, eighty- ninety percent of all the few would fall,
that is, of course, eighty ninety percent. What happens is that I
believe that these four are not used because they are very mens as a Turk
' s head. But if you want to go for the copy ray rights
of the songs, you would be charged with a plumb quietly and without problem
any eighty ninety percent of the entire podcast content. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I believe that they are indeed heads of scapegoats. If it
remains that they have a collection effort and if I want to raise, I
have to go for people who bill if maybe even when they have gone for
them, then they have noticed that the group hasten and then it is up
to them to regulate. But I think these I think this is going to
work out. I think this is gonna work out? No, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. No, no? No, I
think they' re going to eliminate these few, that is, they'
re going to come to some agreement, something now, but that' s
settled. It' s gonna work out. But I' m telling you,
if we put ourselves on, so it' s chellosos that the eighty
ninety percent train falls, but calmly, that is, my time and in
the gym, I' ve been listening to a very mainstream podcas. I
' m not advertising it. And this is that listening to songs with copy
rights. Ra I say it sounds like come on it' s not even
retouched to say, they haven' t even changed what I said to the
rhythm, the tone. It' s this one of these guys, these
people who are among Vox' s top ten. If you want to go
get them, you can carry it perfectly. But that' s why I
say it' s that no one is saved here, including me that if
we don' t put that quelloso here nobody is saved. I' m
going to tell you as an anecdote that for harmony I created techno by taking
from a bookstore without being free of rights to compose music. And I already
got a YouTube ad that' s using content and it was my turn to
claim it and I' ve been months, but months to show that that
' s mine feeling that sending the creation project to the library base, showing
them that it doesn' t have rights and everything and yet they put it
in quarantine, so they imagined the scripts. And on one occasion we were
at a festival where I was like a disjooque and they came to ask us
for the list of songs we had used to see what fees we have to
pay. I said no. Don' t make sure you' re here
to watch whether we' re using songs or not. I mean, imagine
what level it is is that there comes a time when you say you have
to do the job to pay them. I really think it' s a
little disquieting. In fact, I think we' re going to leave this
subject here in quarantine and bring it in and it' s over. But
we agree that gra is a magic, not at least here in Spain.
It' s a mob. No, because we' re talking about an
abusive company, because you remember. There was even a bakery that put the
radio to cheer in the morning while doing on the bread because there was presented
an Ispeto of the gays and almost did not take the bakery. So we
' re already talking about a mob. The greatest example is how many devices
George has right now behind which he has paid a canon that takes him to
the gaez or now little, that is, appearing what was before few.
Yes, yes, but any one of you will have, any hard drive,
any multima idea device that we pay for digital caron that you pay for.
That' s why and it goes directly for those that are directly clear,
of course, because the gays already assume that you' re going to
hack, that you' re a criminal, that is, you' re
going to buy a pendriver now. The EPAs and the government assume that you
' re going to use it to hack and that' s it. Yeah.
You' re paying more for that for the possible copy or no pirate
you make. So, it' s a mafia already. Well, here
' s what the people who are listening to this thing who' s seeing
it are saying. We offer your comments and invite you to enter into the
debate. You' re listening to Joonara Deux of light. Well, comrades,
you will ask yourselves why I have gathered you here, for I have
gathered you together to bring you a subject that has nothing to do with what
I put you in the message with which I called you and it doesn'
t matter, because that message is not that it will explain much either,
but it has happened recently that I would like to bring up here and even
if I catch you by surprise, I think you are going to be able
to express your opinion and, moreover, with great words I put you on
record. There is an NBA player named Lebron James, who is everyone called
the new Mickel Jordan Tira currently thirty- nine years. We' re talking
that not in any young man is playing in Los Angeles Lakers, it'
s at a peak with bestial yields. We' re talking about he'
s matching numbers from when he started his career in two thousand three. Hey,
Tony, since I see you' re a very close colleague of Lebron
James. Tell him for my part that space jauf two is a garbage okay.
That' s what he buys. Mandalo wa levar a trash of movies
and I' ll say we have one person who was the youngest to win
the MVP. From the twenty- one- year- old All Star,
he is the only player in history to be among the top ten in points,
rebounds and assists in his career, that is, keeping all the statistics,
he has played the NBA finals ten times, he has been selected in
the All Star nineteen times, four rings, in two thousand twelve, in
two thousand thirteen, in two thousand sixteen and in two thousand twenty. And
in addition, he has two Olympic gold medals, an Olympic bronze medal and
is considered already to be one of the best rivals and it is the eternal
debate of whether it is better he or Michael Jordan, what has happened,
what the news is and this is where I wanted to raise your opinion now,
that it turns out that he has a young son and that he has
been selected by the draft in fifty- five place by the Lakers. So,
it' s going to be the first time in history that they'
re going to play father and son in the same team. But of course,
father who is at high levels, son who has quite basic numbers for
what is the NBA. Come on, for example here in Europe. It
would be a good reference, but the NBA remains a very imitated thing.
I' m sure this is a brutal marketing move. So, what I
' m going to ask you is to give me your opinion on what you
think of the level of marketing and product so that it is sold at a
sports level, where not only does what is done, as Jorge achieves,
what do you think about everything about seeing as a marketing play can be as
good as bad. I' ll explain something like that. I don'
t know what. It has nothing to do with the sport, though a
little, but little happened to Will Smith with jaden Smith was trying to get
his son into footwear and hunter and hunter not only the movies, not just
the rap but the anthill. Well, anyway, and the truth is they
' ve only won, but the son' s reputation has always been rather
good. Well, movie, well, wow, and this even dragged a
little bit the big one, the great vision we all had of Will Smt,
regardless of what then happened to the Oscars and his wife and Chris Rock.
It' s got nothing to do with it And this same thing that
I was also commenting on in Space Jam Two that if I' m not
mistaken, he was dating his son. Also if I' m not mistaken,
I don' t know if he was a son, that was another
actor. It' s good, he was making his son, but he
was in a similar situation. I was trying to train him because he wanted
me to be the basketball player and he has to train. Well, it
' s got nothing to do with it. I just thought it was his
son. That' s why I wanted to link him to Will Smith.
But, what I' m going to do can be a master move if
the son looks a little like what his father has achieved, which I find
very, very difficult, because of course, we' re talking about one
of the biggest stars in the NBA, which even at forty years old is
still one of the biggest stars in the NBA. Then clear to get close
to this, because you have it frankly difficult. Now, as the first
time in history that a father son plays on the same football team and that
they look and fill all the social networks with tictok cut and photos and marketing
play, because I hope and it will work out well, but it is
a double edged weapon and earn a position being the son of within the world
of sport, you have to be very good for people to take that san
bento away from you. We have the case, for example, of Jordi
Crifft, the son of Johan Criff. We have the case of Carlos Saint
Jur If I am not mistaken that he also does very little in a podcast,
in the podcast of Nuteh Project, he commented that he has had many
advantages thanks to the contacts that his father has within the world of the engine
and that he was very grateful. But that' s how he had to
win the job and he' s getting it. We' ll see if
he gets over his father or not, but you suck at competing in the
same space as your father or with your father. In this case, I
see it very, very risky, because the chances of something coming up.
Well, it may be a nice tribute to your father, but you might
as well end it. Let' s say not overshadowing, but bittering the
last years of his career, which I don' t think is the case,
but which gives him a greater joy than a disappointment. It' s
pretty hard. What do you think of your friend, Lebrón, already sends
him the whatsapp. By the way, ask him if he' s also
booked Box Bonny for the team to see. Let' s see. Lebrón
is a business name. Okay, he' s an entrepreneur. So in
addition to sportsmen entrepreneurs, this guy has companies of all kinds even tacos.
I mean, this is a phenomenon. Besides, you think that a person
has been 40 years, practically his sports career is already in the last ones,
not to say he is already a person Nadal himself. Nadal has thirty
- seven for thirty- eight and is already thinking of retiring. We'
re not talking about him, therefore, being a high- ranking athlete in
this case, for example, the Vasquez, whether it' s the football
basketball game, the one that' s already forty years old, and your
life as a player and your life as a sportsman is over. Then.
I think this dumb guy doesn' t have a hair because, in fact,
in the movies themselves, because I was already produced by himself. That
is, she was starring and produced by it, saying that he himself put
pasta in his own pocket. And I think this, in the end,
is still another business on Lebron' s side, in this case, to
get his son in, because, after all, Lebron is that he has
money to say he already earns money for punishment, that is, this guy
doesn' t need to keep playing basketball or making any more money. This
guy can already be buried in bills like ten times his life. Then you
don' t need that money. Then that he would have wanted to bring
the son in, for he will have to see, He will have to
see how good the son is. No, because, for example, I
am remembering now, as Comrade George de Este says, of Wiim Majaidin Smith
' s son, that this boy has the charisma of a potato, because
he made the film of Karate Kid, which is very bad as the film
of the Planet' s Star. He' s lost to the father,
who doesn' t remember the name, but the movie is a truñaco,
I mean. But because the father was also stubborn that he had to be
there. The son tried to put him in several places stop Davy will It
is that you have not yet heard that your son has, has the charisma
of a brick, that is, that your son is not suitable for actor
or singers. Your son' s not worth it at all, not for
not the father and mother, that the mother is also a producer, I
guess he' d be in the garlic because we' re going it'
s fine that he' s, of course, but good, but that
the mother who put the daughter I don' t know if in any of
this good model singing stuff. I' m going to set you up with
two facts. One that Lebronja' s business I don' t tell you
no, but the team, the Lakers, isn' t lebron Jane'
s. In fact, he' s a gambler, collects a salary.
He' s very involved there. In fact, it was going down that
in this coming season and the next, that is, that he was about
to leave the Lakers team and he could have gone to another team winning even
more money this, in the end, are projects and clearly it is said
that this can be a loyalty option for lebron to stay there in the last
years of his career, that must be two three at most, and then
the other thing we have to take into account is that the team signs it,
but that it is done through the draft. I mean, it'
s not that I get it, I get it, and that' s
it, I mean, I could have taken it from another team. It
' s true that when you say fifty- five, it seems to be
one of the last elections. But what the draft has is a lot of
weaves and deals. There are records that have been agreed for years and that
is said those positions are already agreed and that you can not choose up to
position forty and things like that take a lot of Lio that this has been
the fruit of many things. I don' t mean to choose you as
a Pokémon, but you' re telling Ton yourself and it' s a
business in the end. If you say so, this guy will have agreed
with the law that, since a deal, a business and that' s
already saying all the money, after all, in the end, all the
money and you yourself just said it, as I also said a moment ago
to this man that he can stay one or two more years in the top
of playing as a player everything, that is, this man is already thinking
about retiring And then, of course, that' s why I say among
the businesses that have the companies that he has, well and you say well,
because I' m going to help my son get in and put in
the hand what I said. We' ll have to see if the son
has player wood, because maybe the son is a dizzy duck playing on the
court. Nobody knows. Then it will no longer depend on the father,
it will depend on the son whether or not he gives the size. The
thing is, his college career, his numbers are good. He' s
always gonna have the problem that they' re gonna compare it to the father
' s then. Of course it' s not done to her. But
people are comparing Lebron to Michael, but to Michael Jorda. But this is
all in the end to sell newspapers and to sell exclusive. This but you
don' t know the press, because in the end everyone is a child
of their time. I still think Michael is far superior to the Lebrón,
but you remember when the Spanish expresa just made Messi compare to Cristiano and sold
it. I don' t know how many copies of the brand, just
to see each player' s stats. That in the end is to sell
no more or less that compare. That' s what pink press is for.
That' s pink sauce,' cause you got it. Yeah,
you' d do it or one of your daughters would put it at that
crossroads. Well, my daughter' s already doing her pyrites with the few,
but I wanted to add one thing, and it' s just to
look bad. I don' t think it' s because, logically,
his parents who he is and this son will have had to suck basketball from
Pamon, from Coqui, even if it' s half as strict as it
was in the film, this kid has to be clear and then, besides,
in this boy there will be no lack of training space, no coaches,
no physical form. I' m not saying it' s bad or
anything. If on top of that, you put all the reinforcement that it
is to work in a team like the Lakers, which will have, then,
just as it can be here Madrid or Barcelona coaches, nutritionists, a
team compañeros that is, it has to be very bad to be very vocal
and to be told not even as much as it is to be the son
of who you were, because you can not play in the Lakers. You
have to be really bad. Another thing is to give him the minutes he
deserves, because he really deserves it, to do the minimum numbers that more
or less expect from a I don' t know if it will be a
rookie, but good someone who has just arrived, so to speak, to
the NBA and that no one compares him with his father, which is going
to be very difficult, with his father, with the age that the son
is now or. But I personally would not like to be in that part
to see I professionally have coincided not with my father, but with my uncles
and comparisons were odious. And the typical one you' re working here because
your uncles are the bosses, so look at the best. Yeah, I
' m in. But if something doesn' t go for this job,
I' m the first to get fired, because they have the confidence to
kick me out, so, personally, I wouldn' t want to be
in the child' s situation to collect what you charge. Yeah, but
he' s in his situation. It has to be very hard and we
know a thousand cases of children or nephews who have taken their surnames off so
that no one knew that such a giver and in the end the result would
be better than their predecessors. But of course, that' s what time
says. Okay, here we go. To finish, I' m going
to say that Lebron took almost ten years to win his first Ring was that
eternal promise of It' s going to be the best? Is he gonna
be the best? Is he gonna be the best? It took you ten
years and then he also carried the san bento that they were always comparing him
to Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, Michael Jorda and Look. He' s
retiring. And even when he retires. I think that when it' s
already in both of us we can pull one day against one and see how
it gives the thing and there it will look. You' re listening,
I mean, Luxe Ivan' s lux Joonara, what you' ve prepared
for them, because Mira Tony didn' t know Jorge was coming, so
I' m gonna be honest and I' m gonna be honest. I
was thinking of talking about the digital certificate. But in view of the fact
that Jorge has come, I' m going to if you don' t
mind, I' m going to go back to the topic that I had
originally thought about, because I would like to know his opinion, because Jorge
is a guy that I have considered professional that besides, he is dedicated to
the world of podcast and I would like to know his opinion. So,
if you don' t mind, I' d like to. You have
all the freedom, that is, you have five minutes to expose what you
want, as if you talk to me about the bad exits that you just
bought perfect, because nothing, because then I take advantage that Jorge is there
to launch this topic that I insist was the first that I had thought,
as I didn' t know he was coming, because I was going to
talk about the digital certification. But, well, I' m going to
talk about what I consider podcastle prostitution and that' s why I want Jorge
to help me with this, because I' d like to know your opinion.
Let' s see the podcast prostitution. Why do I say that podcast
is prostituted? He is prostituted because he is mainly for two reasons. The
first, because the word podcast is already being used too light to say everything
already, absolutely everything is podcast. Not then, let' s say podcasts
are cool. It is becoming a very stream term or very mainstream and of
course, we are now seeing as YouTube channels where, for example, they
do interviews, because now that they call it a podcast. And just the
other day I was with my partner, she was watching an interview, but
a guy with a girl or a guy not better, no, I don
' t remember and asked him well what you' re watching and he says
I' m watching a podcast, but how are you watching a podcast?
Says yes, yes, I' m watching an interview podcast and I'
m not a podcast, that' s an interview, that' s a
video interview. Call it whatever you want, but that' s not a
podcast. It' s not gonna be a podcast. And they put it
in the title. I mean, it' s like it' s like
Mercedes B or BMW, that is, a renold clio. Even if you
put the stage in the BMW, it will remain a clio, i e,
I believe that here, as far as the podcast world is concerned,
there is an imposter syndrome, in the sense that they are posing as podcast
for the typical interview that I said, the typical interview. Any audio that
goes up, that is, is that, for example, it would never
occur to me to say that Jesus Quintero was Podcaster. I' d never
think of saying that Tingos terminale a podcast. Der I have Borne does interviews
at home, interviews a person and is a lifelong interview. Jesus Quintero sat
in front of a famous uncle, did the interview and then each for his
home. So I say that now the term definition of podcast is used for
absolutely everything, which seems a little dangerous to me, because, in a
way, what it does is divert attention and confuse people. Do not confuse
people, because already people, when you talk about podcast, we are talking
that, at least in Spain, the term little does not stop being a
recently very new term re. So of course, if you give a person
a YouTube video, you tell them that' s a podcast. If you
open the iba Us app, it' s a podcast. In short,
it' s all a podcast, because then you confuse people. And then,
with the second aspect that I was going to mention is that why I
think the podcast is being prostituted is because anyone can create podcast, unfortunately,
with greater or less luck, because, depending on how it is now,
anyone can create a podcast. And that means lack of professionalism, lack of
resources, lack of preparation. I mean, anybody here gets caught and recorded
from a cell phone, from the weirdest cell phone he' s got.
It makes a recording of five or ten minutes. He puts it up to
Evox and that' s his pod There' s no quality. Then of
course, the problem is that for those who take it seriously, because of
course they compare those people who take it seriously to four crazy people that what
they do is record themselves any nonsense and upload it and say that that is
a podcast. Well, man, that' s for sure luckily, because
obviously the medium allows the free market to allow everyone to create a postt to
create its content. Now, that own free market is also polluting the media
itself by dirtying all the good work that the rest of the colleagues do themselves,
for example, I have always said, I always do the content that
I like to do. But one thing that I' m very clear on
without hair is that I don' t take the listener for an idiot.
I don' t take the listener for a fool. I try to give
a minimum of quality, I try to make the content good, that the
theme is interesting, that the songs and the editing is taken care of,
that is, I have pampered by the product and I take care of it,
which I cannot say the same thing about many other people, because of
course, like anyone you can do a podcast, because now, like everything
is allowed, not then. Well. To sum up, I think that
the definition of podcast, that' s why it' s being prostituted by
that way, by the misuse that is being given to it and by that
imposter syndrome that now everything is podcast up to a video interview on YouTube.
It' s already a podcast because, for example, there are colleagues who
make a program through Twitch and they say and then they take extract that audio,
they upload it there Box and ah it' s a podcast. It
' s not a podcast. It' s a Twitch stream that you'
ve then extracted the audio, uploaded it to eBox, and put it through
a podcast. But it' s not a podcast, because let' s
remember and this, Jorge, may or may not correct me. The podcast
is a radio format. He was born on the radio. Then a podcast
or YouTube video will never be a podcast, no matter how much you say
it is. He was born on the radio, because, in fact,
word, the very word podcast is the union between iPod and broadcast. No.
No, no, no, it' s not. That' s
why we have to blame Steve Jos, who tried to get in, but
no, it' s not no, it' s good, but it
' s the good Union. Coloquially it is known as the Union of both
words, not iPod and Broads. Almost good, but the medium where the
podcast was born is the radio. It' s like I wouldn' t
think of saying that if I' m playing a basketball, a football field,
saying I' m playing fut, I' m not playing basketball.
It was a football field, but I' m not playing football. So,
well, there my reflection by allusions looks. I' m also going
to use this, this, this simile I heard from a colleague who was
also a well- known podcast creator in Colombia, Happy Reaño, who is
an announcer and precisely liked the question of what a podcast is for you.
And I used a fable of the four blind and the elephant that I really
liked and I told her I' ll use it as soon as I get
the chance. Well, it' s been four days and I' ve
got the chance. It turns out that four blind men meet an elephant and
the first, the blind man, says an elephant is kind of elongated like
a tube and another says no. An elephant is like a snake with hairs
at the end, another says not an elephant is something like very thick,
as well as with many wrinkles and very elongated, like an anaconda, a
very very fat snake, and there is another that says no before something very
big, so very flat, like a barrel. Of course, every blind
man was playing a different part of an elephant. And yet, to someone
who can see that it has one more meaning and that especially moves away from
the elephant, they tell an elephant, because it is a four- legged
animal, with a trunk, with a robbery, with tail, with ears.
Well, anyway, what an elephant is. Sure. A person who
only watches podcast via YouTube will say no. Podcasts are interviews via YouTube.
A person who listens to narrative podcast will tell you no. A podcast is
something of a narrative with an investigation, with a lot of things, the
one who listens to audio books, will tell you no podcasts or no audio
books. Whoever listens to all sorts of podcasts will tell you all kinds of
podcasts. They' re good as podcast and I really liked how an announcer
ended it in this case who said podcast is anything you can find in a
podcast app. And this is where I want to add a little bit more,
and it' s just that we have to start naming podcasts. I
explain if a podcast your main or a broadcast media, is a video platform
you will have to call video podcast. If a podcast is a sound fiction,
then it is a sound fiction podcast, if it is a humor podcast,
if it is a live podcast, if it is a podcast event and
it is necessary to continue to expand the word, because, fortunately, unfortunately,
the podcast phenomenon is already so wide that it is that you have to
call it that. My podcast, for example, is a metapodcast podcast that
talks about other podcasts, but it is also a daily podcast, because it
is a daily podcast. Then you have to start putting names because, as
you say, it' s all podcast, but there are things that aren
' t podcasts. As for what was born of the radio, yes no,
at first and the definition itself is said by the podcast format, all
it has to have is a syndication system, that is, an RSS that
you can subscribe to. But inside that RSS may be audios or videos.
The first videos here in Spain, sorry. The first podcasts here in Spain,
not because the platforms still did not allow it. But in the United
States the first podcasts already carried videos, not via YouTube, but via the
fiat RSS. So, of course, this has always caused controversy. I
admit I don' t like video podcasts. I am a consumer of audio
podcast, but you have to fit that definition that is allowed videos inside the
RSS fit. And then, on the other hand, the word i poz.
Actually the podcast comes not by the iPod, but by the word poz
itself, the word pill that were audio pills or video broadcast on broadcast.
So the pills issued, which is the cast, are pills issued in an
RSS A syndication format. All this about prostitution and already closing the issue a
little bit. Luckily, unfortunately, I' ve lived many years listening to
podcast when we were a little bit short, I' m not going to
say podcasting, but listening to podcast. Few podcast listeners and now this has
been a brutal expansion since the two thousand and fourteen with the launch of Syrial
in Spain of the two thousand and sixteen with Podio a podcast, the two
thousand and twenty with Pandemia, and we are in two thousand and twenty that
we are already so hung from that bong dubo of podcast of the pandemic that
already everyone podcasts and is the most common thing in the world. This is
good and bad. Antonio Runa said it almost ten years ago that the best
and worst thing in the podcast world is that everyone can have theirs. You
can make very good podcasts and very bad podcasts. I am the first to
encourage anyone to start their podcast, because the sooner they start it, the
sooner they start learning and the sooner they start to improve. It is good
that anyone can have a podcast, because yes, because that means that there
will be very bad people doing podcasts, that will end up becoming very good
people doing podcasts, and vice versa people who think they are very good and
that because of what it costs to make a podcast, because that you have
to keep in mind that a podcast not only to stand in front of a
microphone, it is to edit the audio, it is to prepare a script
to upload them, to promote, if we add video to it is even
more expensive and even more laborious. You have to endure plus three, ten,
fifty hundred ros first chapters and when you already have a tour, I
have a community behind and you have an audience, you can say that you
have a podcast to broadcast a chapter. You have a podcast active, but
you don' t have a podcast. And I think everyone here knows what
it takes to do it. And that' s what I' d like
people to learn that doing a podcast isn' t recording a YouTube video and
then hanging it on a podcast platform, if legally. But what it costs
and it seems to me that it is the ninety or seventy percent of podcas
do not pass from the third episode and only the eighty to ninety percent that
wins the chapter number ten. When a podca arrives at chapter one hundred,
it is more likely that it will arrive at chapter two hundred, that it
will stop recording before it reaches two hundred. But we have to get to
chapter one hundred. Then it' s one thing to do a podcast.
For letting you g to try and another thing already entreat to have an audience
to get something a little more serious. It is an industry that, luckily,
for me, because I now dedicate myself to this that comes to me
phenomenal, that I would not want anyone to stop trying to make his podcast
the same as I started and sounded fatal and gradually improved, either with a
microphone of ten six hundred euros or with his own mobile phone. The important
thing is that, as you say well, take care of your audience,
have respect for the audience, have no respect and do not be respectful of
your fellow podcasters, so do the rest of the podcast competition and try,
for my part, to try to join the Community from where Evos, Spotify,
we can even from wherever it is, but look for more fellow microphones
because they surely learn much more than they can teach you or who can learn
for themselves. But one question. Jorge you really believe that at the moment
we are now two thousand twenty- four June of two thousand twenty- four,
we are at that moment when there are more and more podcasts. Or
we just touched that point where we' re probably going down. It was
touched in two thousand twenty- two, in two thousand twenty- two the
peak of the pandemic. In two thousand twenty there was a peak peak that
began to rise and in two thousand twenty- two had already been. And
we' ve been going down for two years in terms of creating new podcasts
in front of dying podcasts. Why it' s because of this because people
realized after two years doing podcasting in the pandemic. Everyone made twitch and podcast
channels and a lot of things, but what it costs to make a podcast
is constancy and the return that a podcast brings to you is not the same
as the one that can bring you a Twitch channel, an Instagram account,
especially the exhibition. It' s not the same as a more visual or
live channel, more streaming than something that' s mostly sound, that'
s not just sound, but above all it' s sound and that'
s loyalty. Yes, but, Jorge, but I point out to you,
is that with the sound gets sensations, with the video you don'
t get, because I' m the first one to say it, because,
to give an example, I am a consumer of podcast. I consume
all kinds of podcasts and, perhaps I put on an audio book or an
audio story or a sound fiction and listen to the treatment they make of sound
to the creator himself. And besides putting it this capable of effects, sounds,
effects of all kinds of virguerías and is that you hallucinate, because it
makes you travel in a way that otherwise you would not get. Then it
' s the power of the word. Not to say, anyone can be
filmed playing the fool on the Internet, but very few really get to convey
a feeling to you through the word. So I think there' s the
magic of what podcast is. I, for example, in my personal case,
I totally and absolutely bet on the podcast, because I, for example,
there are a lot of people who have encouraged me to do it by
video agreement, by video has already been taken advantage of by YouTube or by
other means. And yet, I tell you all right, show me,
show me with numbers that work. And I know people who have been broadcasting
on video for two or three years and still have the same numbers as two
or three years ago. So I' m really saying, if you'
re really convinced that it works, introduce me, I mean, no,
you talk to me about mouthpiece. Present me with data at the table,
how many subscribers you have won in a year, how many average viewers you
have per program. I mean, presenting me with data isn' t that
no, no, it' s just that you don' t have the
same ones as you did a year or two ago. So, it doesn
' t work, so I think, in my opinion, that the podcast
listener is a total audience and absolutely different than the one that consumes a YouTube
video? Why isn' t the one who consumes a YouTube video going to
listen to a podcast? The one who listens to the podcast listening isn'
t there going to be a YouTube video? I mean, they' re
totally public and absolutely different from me. I, in my opinion, don
' t really like consuming YouTube interviews because it forces me to watch a screen
and stand in front of a screen. Instead, I really like to listen
to podcast, because I can hear it while driving, while I go to
the gym, while I go for a walk, even as I go to
the money Then of course, I think they' re totally different audiences in
the end and you have to look for your target audience niche on that platform
and as much as you insist and say it' s not that the video
will open the windows for you. Then it turns out it' s not
true. Then I say more than talk. Give me data and when we
already have data, we can talk about it. Then. To go,
finishing with this topic of podcast prostitution, then I feel sorry that when there
are people who tell me it' s not that I' m watching a
podcast on YouTube, because come on. Yes, let' s accept video
podcast as a companion animal, as an octopus, as a companion animal.
But I think it' s a bad word in the end. I mean,
I think now what happens is that the term podcast is very fashionable.
Now everyone talks about podcasts, even on the zero wave itself when alcina makes
a chapter of her radio program and then misses that audio and uploads it there
you say Arsina' s podcast. I watch the Alsina podcast is the SINA
program that has aired at nine o' clock in the morning, but then
you publish it on Evox and now you put it through podcast, because it
will continue to do the Arxina program. But there are even fake ads posing
as podcasts and cuts on YouTube impersonating pot poe. I' ve seen dentist
ads saying it was a podcast, a dentist ad. And I say,
but how is it going to be a dentist' s ad. The thing
is, it' s an ad you get the audio from. You put
it up there box nicknamed you like it and you say it' s the
podcast from the dental clinic. That' s right. I was commenting Jorge
you sent, you sent it to me, you put it in your group.
I don' t remember. People who are filmed with a wireless microphone,
a magic microphone to look like they' re doing a podcast. The
video is recorded. That' s why I' m saying it' s
that the term podcast has been prostituted, because now, miraculously and magically,
all a podcast, an advertisement, is a podcast, an interview, it
' s a podcast, a stream of Twitch. That' s it,
but be the bad thing, or something mainstream. It' s just that
when it wasn' t the ones who loved the format, we were looking
forward to it becoming famous, for everyone to know what a podcast was so
we wouldn' t have to explain it. And now that it is,
we' re screwed that people are using it for all kinds of things,
but it doesn' t bother me if I had this subject with my partner
that she told me is that it hurts you, because it' s that
you touch this subject because it hurts you because I' m going to see
creatures that I' ve been doing a podcast for seven years, that is,
you' re not going to come to me to tell me what it
is or not a podcast that I' ve been out there for seven years
now and you' ve discovered them. About a year ago. Then.
That is why I say that, in short, I think we should be
more responsible for creating content and not contaminating it in this way. In the
end, this is business and we go back to the same thing. It
' s Tecnia market. The example you' ve set the Sina seems wonderful
to me. Alsina, which is a television program, there is radio forgiveness,
it is zero wave and in the end they turn it into audio,
into podcast, which allows many people to enjoy it asynchronously you can listen to
it later and then turn it into video, that is, Alsina already goes
out with Americana with her shirt well combed. Of course, of course,
of course, I could be the host of any newscaster and that' s
what he' s doing. In fact, it interacts radio with television,
because then it heals you gray on antenna three. It' s true they
' re from the same group, and it' s that if you get
extra. Imagine that you at your house record the three o' clock TV
on the three o' clock afternoon of antenna three, take out the audio
for an hour, upload it to eBox and say it' s the podcast
of the one before was three news. The anthill does so, he'
s losing money to three before he doesn' t get the teledioo out,
yes, really if in the end it' s a sum and it goes
on and he follows me if you' re already doing it and it'
s an effort. In fact, I told you in his day and not
another. I can show it with numbers. But I told you if what
you' re doing with your program, with no beats hairs, would be
recorded on video and you' d start uploading it, because at first it
would be better without repercussion, but you' d have a chance to hit
a minimum weekly program that goes on video and you' re adding up on
one side of the other, and I' m telling you that I tell
you more iván with the numbers that you have. If you replicate those numbers
on YouTube, the monetization you would have would be bestish. Look, look,
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I like that I took that example because I set myself to find out what
other much bigger postcards had done. Look, for example, the hug of
the insurance that sounds to you not the hug of the bear or this or
the contra c I don' t remember well the orbit of endor not these
people three months ago they left their YouTube channel. These people have on average
n eBox about 50, 000 visits per program. You know how many plays
there were on YouTube six hundred. I mean, taking the jump to YouTube
doesn' t guarantee you absolutely anything for a lot of numbers you have on
Evox. That' s why I say that Evox' s audience is totally
different from Yotube' s audience. I' m clear and I can'
t talk to you about guarantees. I wish, if I had the formula
of success, I would be lined up and I would be advising on going
and how things are done, I am clear, but what possibilities to always
add in fact, you have missed a very good example that I had not
thought and you have given in the nail the contra Crónica Fernández What is called
Fernández Díaz de Villanueva. I' m now Fernández. I' ve lost
myself to Chronicle. He does it on YouTube and he does it on eBox.
Above Nibox, it has it in original and it is the same product
and it is getting good audience on one side and on the other, and
monetizes on the one hand and on the other. It' s already adding
and adding, and year after year it' s growing. Take a good
look, look at the hug. I' m looking for him, the
hug has one hundred and forty- five zero subscribers at Evox Vale uploaded at
the time of recording this worth uploading a program. Speaking of the Nobel Prizes
in Spanish have or speaking of Atlantity, do you see speaking of Atlantis have
eighteen zero listeners? You remember, 18 zero you listen? We have said
one hundred and forty- five zero subscribers, as these people also bet on
their own YouTube channel and have abandoned it. For if the results supposedly would
not abandon him, they have abandoned him. And I tell you six hundred
average visits. Then there are other colleagues I' m going to mention to
us what they do, because the Twitch and streaming video have an average of
twenty, twenty viewers by twenty viewers per program twenty. I just don'
t know, it' s just that then, I mean, the numbers
give me the reason. It doesn' t feed one platform from another,
because they' re totally different audiences. So, the one who' s
going to look for YouTube video is going to look for the one who'
s going to look for the podcast is going to look for the podcasts.
If you prove it to me with numbers, I might agree with you,
but in this case it is clear that in the end it is only a
few who succeed in all segments. But I say you can also set the
example I told you Fernando Díaz Villanueva. But it' s a case Look
at me I can tell you a lot more case looked at the orbit of
the endor orbit they completely left YouTube and Twitch. I can talk to you,
look, I' m just looking. I can talk to you about
night terrors, I can talk to you about stopping. It' s just
not what you said before. You can play with a ball on a basketball
court or on an east football, but they' re not the same rules.
It' s not the same audience, as you well say, it
' s not the same format they haven' t been investing in at the
same time, of course it can' t be measured. No. But
supposedly if you take the video leap you fit more audience or you catch new
audience through that platform to call it you have chances to capture, which is
not the same as if you don' t. That' s what I
' m talking about. If you don' t, I' m sure
you won' t catch anything else. If you do, you have a
chance. I don' t know anyone who' s there if you give
me any welcome examples. I don' t know anyone. I don'
t know anyone who says YouTube or Twitch or what I am has worked for
me because it has increased my visits on eBox. I don' t know
anyone. I' m gonna tell you, I' m not gonna introduce
you to anyone? I' ll tell you, a person who advised me
to go on YouTube if I wanted to, and that was Jordi Jther and
he has several programs. Live on this. He' s a person who
lives off this and I eat. What Jordi Jatser' s name is on
YouTube, on yousbeor d Jacher it' s called Jordi Yarson no urn if
you use it as spurnas, that' s for nothing. And he'
s got Twitch, he' s got YouTube and he' s got several
podcasts and in the end it' s what he says it' s a
sum and goes on and his master if it was for money, he told
me he' d only focus on YouTube and Twitch, which is what gives
money. Why they keep podcasts, because from there they also use them to
catch people and then come to another side followers in patrons. And all that
says And in the end is the sum of everything you have to look for
I already tell you and he' s a person who lives right now from
this, he' s been living from himself for several years. But Jordi,
if I remember correctly he was a journalist or something of this was no.
No, as he says, he' s a graphic designer and besides,
I' ve had a chance to talk to him several times. Yeah,
but okay, yeah, but a case doesn' t give me the
general rule of what I can. I just say it and I sell it
as that opportunity to go to more, because televisions are already uploading their content
to YouTube, to Telecinco programs you can no longer see on YouTube why,
because they are because nobody watches TV I myself, I never watch TV I
watch. In fact, I don' t even have the television channel tuned
in on TV, because when I understand the telesion is to connect or the
console or on Netflix, of course and there will be people who will tell
you. If I see it through YouTube, a Telecinco program before three,
I don' t care what chain it is that will tell you. That
' s no longer television so you' re watching it, because yes,
but it' s that many of the TV shows were recorded and invited to
you in concrete honor and that' s it and it doesn' t make
any more sense. There' s no turning it around, either. For
me a sum and go on and I don' t want to entertain you
any more with this subject. I find very good the option that you have,
that you have proposed, you are listening to, or as a joonara
of light I want to ask you a question before you leave and not you.
I entertain more really how you' ve spent it. Jorge, Well,
well, I already do when as a recording ring every day, because
luxury hair, bad batillo. So vipammon different themes, different. All right,
all right, all right, all right, but I' m glad
you borrowed it and I' m glad it brings everything and it' s
going how you spent it. All right, you taste good. I know
you' re afraid to invite me, but you haven' t seen anything
that I' ve been good at, so nothing. Well, whenever you
like I keep posting content I don' t take vacations until August, so
nothing gets in, but you ask for it throughout the month of July and
it' s only in August. We' re not going on vacation,
but it' s coming back in September, so nothing. We do keep
inviting in the summer. I said, guys, thank you so much for
participating and even the next show.