1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,000 We welcome you across the microphone. On the other side of the microphone, 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,800 a project by Jorge Marín Nieto in which you will find your daily ration of 3 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:14,800 metapodcasting Hastin, with news, events, tools or episodes of opinion, not 4 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:21,519 in just ten minutes. Ten minutes, ten minutes, very good to everyone 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,199 on the other side of the microphone. Friends, friends, I hope you 6 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:28,800 ' re enjoying this summer, as I' m doing on this summer break, 7 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:33,079 gathering strength for next season. Today I bring you a special chapter, 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,479 not from the other side of the microphone, but from the podcast. Seyoná 9 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:40,439 de lux Now I' ll tell you straight away, but first I want 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,960 to thank all the cofiteros you follow month after month on the other side of 11 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:49,039 the microphone, supporting this podcast with your subscriptions. I want to thank Soda 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,479 Pop of Planet, Bob to Alam of Chipchiatric, Joseph of Podcast in front 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,200 of the client, Raymon tailor Aya and or Friki of the old Frikis. 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,240 They never die. To David Castaño, to Gil, to Santi to Chavy 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,239 of the CCU podcast in frequency, to Nicolás carbon of the platform Fifcast, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,840 to David Bernat of gamelch to aliy Blue Box of the podcast and YouTube channel 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,959 of the same name, to David Teia of Fmris Podcast and Tony of Sayunara 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,400 Baby And precisely to breakfast Baby. I have to talk to you today and 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,840 it' s that friend Tony invited me to participate in his new format. 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,319 Mrs de lux, a programme not so much from Tertulia, but above all 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,799 from three very important blocks of debate. In this case three sections, One 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,959 dedicated to plugging Lebron James and his son in Los Angeles Lakes, another regarding 23 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,719 the disappearance of some podcasts on the Podcast platform. This was the debate I 24 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:52,079 brought on the table and another section brought by friend Ivan of Sinpelos in the 25 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,959 Beats, centered on the prostitution of podcasting and well, a debate I already 26 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,680 say two of the three, two of the three senso focused on podcasting that 27 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,840 it is sure that you will enjoy as much as I did by recording and 28 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:08,479 participating in this podcast. Notice that it will not be the last podcast of 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,039 these specials that I bring you, because I have been invited to another podcast 30 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,599 that I will then record as soon as I finish recording and editing this delivery 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,039 that I bring you today. But, well, I' ll bring it 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,680 to you in a few days that you continue to enjoy the summer and that 33 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,039 you continue downloading, listening and producing podcasts. We keep seeing each other on 34 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,400 the other side of the microphone. Very good people, how are we today 35 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:38,240 in another chapter of that Luxe fleece. We have new guests walking around here 36 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,039 who have come to tell us some very interesting topics first of all and I 37 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,759 will try to throw away a little education and welcome. I' m going 38 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:52,759 to give the honor first to my exquisite companion and they fartlessly go into the 39 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:53,960 beats. I' ve had a hard time convincing you, but in the 40 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,319 end we' ve got you here for nothing. Toni you told me to 41 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:02,719 come and here I am fulfilling my word. Looks like I' m convinced 42 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:06,039 of the first one and everything that looks good when we say it like that, 43 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:09,719 uh, yeah, yeah. And another one who will surely say that 44 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:14,080 he accepted the first one is going to be Jorge, because he also knows 45 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,919 how to look good with me and it seems perfect to me. Welcome, 46 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Jorge, how are we? Thank you very much. I think it took 47 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,439 me less than three seconds to get the message. I said okay, it 48 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:24,960 was kind of something like that. Yeah, you know, I' m 49 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,319 gonna ask, or what, or anything, or anything to see. I 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,280 ' m on holiday podcast tiles. Now I already have a monkey used to 51 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,000 recording daily. Now it' s been a week for a man. It 52 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,240 took me to introduce you. It is that I never know if you presented 53 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,800 as the other side of the microphone, as ehwey as everything is worth everything, 54 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,280 because come on, well good, then ta fomba if you want or 55 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,680 sell as you want you can refer to your podcasts when you want to spin 56 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,719 the topics that you are going to treat, that is to say, take 57 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:53,919 it to the dog what you want and as you want only you. I 58 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:58,319 ' m going to ask for three things in combat. I don' t 59 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,240 want low blows under the waist, but to subjects we' ve dealt with 60 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,840 before and I don' t want you to have a bad time. Then 61 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:11,080 we' ve come to have fun and have fun. I have to say 62 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,639 that it' s been a long time, just like we haven' t 63 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,479 recorded together since you didn' t invite me to always do the beats. 64 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:20,639 There' s no promotion or it' s like I don' t remember, 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,879 man, what we were talking about about Goku and these little things. 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,160 No, no, no, no, no. I just sent you an 67 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,079 audio, I don' t remember, but I' ll talk to you 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,959 about saying I now shield not with the like actions and something like that we 69 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:39,920 were ah that, yeah, yeah, the right thing, something had the 70 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,279 audio was Jorge in this case with googes that, that, yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:46,000 we did the live action that even we didn' t agree on what 72 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,240 was blife faction. But, well, I' m glad to know that 73 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,680 there are people in the comments that are right about me. So all right 74 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:57,240 of the whole order. I love when I play or hist and fif You 75 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:00,480 well, once we know who it is they will participate, without having any 76 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:08,879 idea what we are going to talk about, it just remains for me to 77 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:14,680 say we start here. Sayonara starts from lux the variety podcast is where four 78 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,959 very different topics will be exhibited and each of them will be debated with very 79 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:29,720 different views. Sixty extreme minutes of opinion, fun and entertainment. Sayonara de 80 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:40,879 lux and we have Jorge in the first instance. Jorge' s not gonna 81 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:44,600 bring a little controversy. Looks to me like he' s coming looking forward 82 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,839 to how we got him on a podcastile vacation. Come on, I' 83 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,279 m going into a little bit of controversy, or at least I imagined it 84 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,279 without my head and it sounded great to me. What are you introducing us 85 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,279 to today? Well, let' s see, polemic, polemic, no 86 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:58,319 yes, that it' s true that you can set a precedent, a 87 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,120 before and a after in podcasting, as we know it to see. You 88 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,439 have to grab it with tweezers more than anything, because we don' t 89 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,160 know anything exactly what you' ve actually paid for. There are rumors. 90 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:11,040 There are rumors. I am referring to a fact that took place in the 91 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,720 past between last Thursday and last Friday 27th 28th June, and that is that 92 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:17,800 there have been four podcasts, of the most important, or at least of 93 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,120 the most media of the podcast producer, Podio, a podcast of the Prisa 94 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:27,360 group. And the first thing I want to say is that I don' 95 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,519 t work with Podium Podcast or any of his podcasts or have anything to do 96 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:32,560 with it. Nor am I just a mere spectator, in this case, 97 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,879 a mere listener and a social media viewer who is seeing this a little bit 98 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,480 from the barrier, because and this is something that needs to be clarified, 99 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,759 all I am going to comment on today are rumors. You don' t 100 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:46,079 know anything. Officially, nothing has been confirmed. All there are are suspicions 101 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,000 and these are conjectures that I have pulled out and that have brought out several 102 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:56,519 more companions. What happened between Thursday and Friday. There were four podcasts that 103 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,560 were suddenly uploading their episodes to me and they are even one of the four 104 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:05,399 affected, which are the field to which there are Dragons, cabinet of curiosities 105 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,920 and my favorite year disappeared. It appeared on the face of the Earth as 106 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,079 if thnos had come and snapped his fingers and made these four podcasts disappear Even 107 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,399 one of these four podcasts, specifically here Dragons had uploaded one of those episodes. 108 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:23,120 There have been people who have heard one of those, that particular episode, 109 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:28,720 but the vast majority of listeners have not even been able to download it. 110 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:30,680 Well, then, ah, it must have been a mistake or a 111 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,279 shame not. Well, they' ll be back. Well, the fact 112 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:39,079 is, they' ve disappeared from podcast platforms They' ve disappeared from their 113 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,920 good poding podcast website. There are even some of them who had their own 114 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,560 website that I won' t say deleted, but hidden, so that you 115 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:50,600 can' t listen to their podcast or know anything about their podcast. Okay. 116 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,079 The fact is that several messages from the creators of one of these podcasts 117 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:57,920 began to appear. For example, Nuria Pérez, the curious cabinet maker, 118 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,600 said yes, Cabinet Curiosities. The platforms have disappeared and so far what I 119 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:05,639 can tell without crying. Thank you all for your input. Here are dragons. 120 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,959 With a couple of pictures to put a message, a little longer. 121 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:13,240 All this on Twitter for other people' s reasons. Here are dragons. 122 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,319 Today we upload the episode two hundred and sixty- six, which is that 123 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:18,639 famous one who appeared and disappeared. We regret the inconvenience caused. We are 124 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,360 the first affected and we ourselves are trying to clarify the situation. We' 125 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:24,600 ll give you more information as soon as we have it. Thank you for 126 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:30,079 your support and Sergio del descampo said two important points. You may be having 127 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:33,320 trouble listening to the latest episodes. In some cases, even when looking for 128 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,399 a platform, there are problems that I hope will be solved in the near 129 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:45,000 future. Thanks to seeing many of you surely happened to you and that you 130 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,039 have deleted an episode or that has crashed or that even your podcast, because 131 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,600 you have had to move it or good things that happen with podcasts. But 132 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,080 here we are talking about one of the largest podcast producers in Spain, even 133 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:03,279 one of the largest Spanish podcast producers worldwide. Four of his podcasts, I 134 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,559 ' m not going to say bigger, because there are very big ones, 135 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,279 but more media, with more followers, with better ones. Anyway, and 136 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,360 the most surprising thing about all of this is the null communication by power a 137 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,840 podcast. You would say good to see does not have to give explanations to 138 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,360 anyone and, indeed, does not have to give explanations to anyone. But 139 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:26,399 it' s a little ugly for listeners, even the creators themselves, they 140 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:28,519 ' re supposed to have been informed by these messages, which count as good 141 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,159 is being solved. They are causes alien to us, but of course they 142 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,039 disappear overnight. I' m not going to say that they stop publishing, 143 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,200 that they disappear completely as if they didn' t. I' ve worked 144 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,440 there never or ever aired there. Wow a little bit, I' d 145 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,840 swear that in the fifteen years I' ve been ecusing podcasts, I' 146 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:50,919 ve never seen anything like it and then, on the other hand, why 147 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:54,320 all this. Rumors say, all guesses point to what is the problem with 148 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,559 the music and copyright of some of the songs they have used and that, 149 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,559 well, or a podcast has decided to heal itself in health and remove all 150 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,960 the content of these podcasts, which I can get to understand. But to 151 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,759 a certain extent, could you cut those chapters? You may even leave the 152 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:16,279 podcast without chapters, but as much as erasing all traces of these podcasts is 153 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:22,480 a bit serious. I don' t know, I say I haven' 154 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,000 t heard, I don' t know about anything like that, not even 155 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:26,679 on a global level. I don' t know. Yes, for example, 156 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,679 there is another similar case more or less, with some chapters of Joe 157 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,840 Rogan' s podcast, which Spotify started deleting because, well, there was 158 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,679 talk of vaccination issues, well things that about covid Spotify didn' t want 159 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:45,399 to pronounce if he decided to delete it, but not something as serious as 160 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:50,080 this. So of course, as a podcast creator and as a good podcast 161 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,320 producer, even as I see that this is a possible precedent for something that 162 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,840 is going to start taking matters into account. Whether it is true what is 163 00:10:56,919 --> 00:11:03,600 confirmed by rumors that it is due to the use of music without rights or 164 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,000 at least without defined rights or we do not know. These are assumptions, 165 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,120 but without group haste and I could a podcast, they are not able to 166 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:16,279 get the commercial rights when it comes to one of the oldest radios in Spain, 167 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:22,639 of one of the largest producers in Spain, bar world in Spanish and 168 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,519 they have had to cut these podcasts in root. For me and for many 169 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,279 people we believe that we are already putting a little limit to this freedom that 170 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,320 we had so far to use all kinds of content without giving explanations to anyone 171 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,200 and that we do not know what will happen. Then. Well, this 172 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,440 is the debate I' m raising not so much for these four podcasts you 173 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,799 hear. If you want to talk about the personal issue, but I think 174 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,879 that many of them will be quite affected, because there is a lot of 175 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:48,480 praise, for example, for the field, because it is an important part 176 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,440 of their work. Or at least that' s what I think, perhaps 177 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,600 for Arturo González Campos, who is affected by two of these podcasts. But, 178 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,399 well, he' s a writer, an actor, a presenter, 179 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:00,600 etcetera, etcetera. It has many more open fronts. It' s not 180 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,919 that bad, though it has to hurt or in the case of Nuria Pérez. 181 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Maybe it' s not that bad because the podcast is over a long 182 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,759 time ago. But the truth is that it is a work of art and 183 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,879 a work of art that, moreover, was financed by crowd Funding in several 184 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,600 seasons And to me personally, if they do it with my podcast, which 185 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,759 is a podcast very much to walk by home, with many chapters worth, 186 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,240 but very much to walk by home. If they did it to me, 187 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,799 they' d hurt me tremendously. I don' t even want to imagine 188 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,080 these podcast creators that many of them are wave winners in the end, that 189 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,840 they are works that have been going on for many years, that have many 190 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,240 listeners behind them and that have disappeared overnight. And so far my diguación, 191 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:39,399 I don' t know how many minutes I' ve been. Come on, 192 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,080 I was controlling you, you were on time so you wouldn' t 193 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,440 overdo it or equip me quickly with Ivan' s world. What do you 194 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,039 think about it, as a podcast creator or podcast that has been apart for 195 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,559 many years, you' re on a platform where there' s an agreement 196 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,399 with les Gue, you' re always in the Beats and you' re 197 00:12:54,399 --> 00:13:01,200 on eBox. What an opinion you deserve to see. I have also researched 198 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:03,679 this subject because, as a content creator, in a way, because it 199 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,399 also harms me. And then, of course, I wanted to nourish myself 200 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,240 and find out a little bit what happened. Then, as Comrade Jorge says, 201 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,559 it is in the end rumors. But, you know, when the 202 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,120 river sounds water carries, then. I think there are two main culprits here. 203 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,399 I don' t think so, I didn' t blame one exclusively. 204 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,279 I think there are two main culprits here. First of all, Prisa, 205 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:33,080 the group of Prisa, which is in the end the company behind Podium, 206 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:41,519 that has not even released an official statement saying I am explaining no because 207 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:46,720 you think we are not talking about four content creators or four podcasts. We 208 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,440 ' re talking about thousands of people. That' s how we' re 209 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,720 talking. It is not that it has obviously harmed, the main victims are 210 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,960 the four people behind or the people behind those projects. But not just that 211 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,519 anymore. These are thousands of people who read weekly. So to me, 212 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,799 in my personal opinion, it seems a lack of respect and very important that 213 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,679 questions the professionalism of this company, which in the future, because it is 214 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:16,679 clear that it is to think very well about what type of platform you are 215 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:20,600 going to publish your content, because, of course, Prisa is not being 216 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,639 a serious company. We are talking about the fact that already at the time 217 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,159 of recording this podcast, this same podcast that we are having right now, 218 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,279 it has already happened that about a week ago, then that in a week 219 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,639 a company supposedly serial, I say supposedly serious, has not given a single 220 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,480 explanation or a single communiqué or even to the creators themselves to explain what has 221 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,320 happened, that is, an absolute vacuum, an absolute nothing. So how, 222 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,519 as a content creator, you can trust these people. I mean, 223 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,519 it' s totally and absolutely impossible. So, I repeat, it is 224 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,360 not a lack of respect for the creators themselves, but also for the thousands 225 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,720 of people who listen to their platform on a daily basis, not to mention 226 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,519 that there are thousands of people who also leave the money. That must also 227 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,039 be taken into account. And then another thing that I think is also necessary 228 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,399 to mention. I believe that the content creators of these podcasts themselves are also 229 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,279 partly to blame. We are talking about the fact that every day, the 230 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,200 GAE itself knows that the gae itself is an eye for alarm is lurking. 231 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:22,039 You know that a few years ago there was a fairly important policy in Spain, 232 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,200 that is to say, as to not be prevented or not know what 233 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:30,320 will happen then, as creators of content and more and with more reason living 234 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,879 from it, it is your duty and responsibility to inform you of what can 235 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,440 and cannot be done. So, for me to come up with a content 236 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,120 creator and tell me this is that I didn' t know that this music 237 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:46,240 could be used, because it' s your job, that is to say, 238 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,840 at least to inform you of what can be done or what can' 239 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,039 t be done, then. One thing that has very positive Evox with respect 240 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,480 to other platforms is that it has an agreement with the GAE that in principle 241 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:03,720 supposedly covers you from all those songs protected with the right to copy. Likewise, 242 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,440 no one guarantees you that there may be some song, something that will 243 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,200 knock you down, because, maybe it doesn' t fit into that list 244 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,600 there is. But I insist that you, as a content creator, have 245 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,840 to know what you can or cannot do. What can' t be is 246 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:22,879 that I freely use protected content when I' m right- handed and then 247 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,600 my podcast is knocked over. Tell me my mom, they knocked my podcast 248 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,279 down. Well, no, I' m really sorry. It is also 249 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,440 important guilt, for an important part of these own creators, I myself, 250 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:40,600 for example, confess and recognize that I use songs of content the same in 251 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:44,559 my own podcast. But I know the rules of the game. I mean, 252 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,639 I take the risk and I play and I play with it. Then 253 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,440 it is also true that if you have a button, if you see what 254 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,039 happened to me, you cut me at any time, if you continue to 255 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:02,559 have the gesture, okay, you will make the perfect gesture, because to 256 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,559 see there are ways to mock the copyright. I myself these days as a 257 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:11,559 result of this controversy, because I have informed myself and there are methods to 258 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,920 mock the copying system, because changing the tone of the song, the rhythm 259 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,000 and a long, etcetera, so that you do not detect it by copyright. 260 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,720 So, well, there are measures, there are measures. So, 261 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,279 that' s what everyone wants to get involved and each one the job they 262 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,799 want to do. But well, in short, to end very badly on 263 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:33,640 the part of Podium, very bad also on the part of the creators themselves. 264 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Now I also say that the fact that you violated some other song doesn 265 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:45,720 ' t seem to me sufficient reason to share a whole year' s work 266 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,359 and have laid down hundreds of programs, because that in the end is not 267 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,039 a hundred thousand hours, not even I in my own podcast confess it. 268 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:56,440 I' ve thrown not a hundred thousand hours of sleepless night into this project 269 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:02,160 of mine. Be depriving me of doing many other things, because I' 270 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,240 m working on this. So it doesn' t seem to me as a 271 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:11,319 matter of receipt that all the work of your whole life was totally and absolutely 272 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,640 lying down for having inflicted such a minimum that they could have done. A 273 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,559 warning is sent. Hey, heads- up. You are making this careful 274 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:22,359 that next time we will take the measure but not at least as I do, 275 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,200 at least as I know or at least as I understand it, has 276 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,039 not reached them with any warning or warning. To say, it has come 277 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,920 to absolutely nothing, for which or good, because also by Prisa, because 278 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,680 if Prisa is the one that distributes his poks and the producer of those podcasts 279 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,480 has to know, then, what he takes care of and what he cannot 280 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:42,039 do, then if the warning reaches the Prisa itself, I say to him 281 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,440 listen, boys, be careful that we have reached this notice to the next 282 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:49,680 one, because they can knock down the program. But, in my opinion, 283 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:52,839 as for example with Spotify and Spotify, what it does if it detects 284 00:18:52,880 --> 00:19:00,200 a song with copyri, which makes you delete that program. But it doesn 285 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,799 ' t completely eliminate you. This is the whole podcast, which I find 286 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:08,799 a fool. But here there are two factors. First, one is Odium, 287 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:12,680 as a producer of other podcasts that we don' t know in the 288 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:15,759 end what agreement he has with each of the creators, as Jorge commented well 289 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:19,359 before. And then if Podium belongs to Prisa, Risa has some specific agreements 290 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:25,279 with the Gae, which has to be renewed every x time. And it 291 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:27,480 ' s not the same, or I guess the gae we all know likes 292 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:32,319 to scratch a lot when it' s for radio. Or now that you 293 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,640 ' ve seen that there' s a row here, there' s a 294 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:42,119 kind of bubble with the podcast issue and there' s companies asking for capitalizations. 295 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,759 How can it be possible where it is getting millions and millions of euros 296 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,039 and so and they if they want to carry a percentage. In fact, 297 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:52,480 I already had an experience in a communication group that I worked with the EPAs. 298 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,519 They came at first to ask us for a percentage of the billing, 299 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,680 not of the billing benefits, and they didn' t care what activity you 300 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,279 did if you had some music, if they wanted to bring a total of 301 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,640 the billing percentage. Time wasn' t going to tell you I think for 302 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,200 Podium, Apodium, they don' t care, I mean, you think 303 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,680 that we podcasts, we' re numbers, I mean I think these people, 304 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,039 the Podium, don' t have any love for podcasts, because now 305 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,640 podcasts, now all many, ever more platform and ever more people are betting 306 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,880 on podcasts, because podcasts, everything has been said, are fashionable. So 307 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,880 of course, there are platforms like Podio and so they' re betting on 308 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,480 podcats. But I don' t think because I' ve talked to other 309 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,400 people about issues. I don' t think they feel love for the podcast. 310 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,119 I want it to last and last a pure and hard business. And 311 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:51,720 if the moment someone' s a bit of a nuisance to you or I 312 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,240 get in the way of a lame boom and take it out of a feather, 313 00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:57,519 because to me you' re just a number to make money, then 314 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:02,039 what I think these people, because they have no respect for their own podcast, 315 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,160 they don' t have any kind of affection and it' s more 316 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,799 of a business than anything else. Then, because very bad on the part 317 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,279 of Prisa I insist a company supposedly serious, but it would be little. 318 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:17,880 Here. The thing is, we' re missing data. And I' 319 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,240 m going to point out one thing you said to yourself. You said the 320 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:25,039 creator must know the rules of the game. I do, I have to 321 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,359 say that if he gets in the way, he changes the rules when he 322 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,759 wants to, and we' ve seen him with the bars where I charge 323 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:34,880 you for having TV, but then if you' re going to play football, 324 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,119 I charge you aside. I' m paying for the plus bar whatever 325 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,920 it' s called, but then the SGA is if you' re going 326 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,119 to get more of the stories out of it you have to pay more off. 327 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,759 Sure, but that' s as long as it' s corrected in 328 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,240 updates to the Gadel itself in terms of contractual, that is, if you 329 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,279 violate a rule before you' ve come up with that legislation, that regulation 330 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,400 you couldn' t have done it for, because then they can' t 331 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,240 tell you absolutely anything. Now, if they publish that content publicly, say 332 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,000 as public content, it is your obligation to inform you. It' s 333 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,920 like, for example, every day you publish information the boy no one reads 334 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,680 the boeh but has nothing that doesn' t exist. It is not the 335 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:21,240 same, because this, in the end, is a private entity that has 336 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:22,400 rights granted to make an exploitation. In fact, there are more entities that 337 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,680 happen here, the larger and the more associated there are. There is no 338 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,119 transparency with the artists who are subscribed. There is no transparency with the music 339 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,599 listings through which these artists are paid. We' re in interest. But 340 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,200 if you get knocked over the content for something that doesn' t reflect the 341 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,079 contractual conditions on your own website, web, etc, you can lie down 342 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,279 perfectly, it' s even reportable. They can' t knock something down 343 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,480 if it' s not publicly published It' s you. In fact, 344 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:56,480 Jorge is one of those who has always recommended not to use content with rights. 345 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,720 It' s just to see him turning back a po. I doubt 346 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,279 it very much. I doubt much more than anything, because, especially because 347 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,240 what there are dragons has been recorded live on the SED sites. I mean, 348 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,160 it doesn' t surprise me very much that they put music themselves knowing 349 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,559 they couldn' t do it. Me. What I think has happened is 350 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,799 that either I pruned a podcast, or a pris group or then whatever it 351 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,440 was they thought I had a series of rights to broadcast songs in podcast format 352 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,359 and then it turned out that no, which they might lead. We don 353 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,359 ' t know, because they' re all guesses maybe they' ve been 354 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400 on trial for three years and that' s when the sentence has come out 355 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,519 and that sentence has forced them to do it. I don' t know 356 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,839 about this, but I doubt very much that these four creators would use music 357 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,160 by mistake. Yours saying good. I sane it because, since I' 358 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,680 m in podium here, this is okay. I doubt it very much, 359 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,960 so I' m responsible for podium and the first day I get hung up 360 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000 by a song that can' t be used, I say watch chat. 361 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:53,720 I' m really sorry about this, but it can' t be done 362 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:57,599 here because we don' t play the legal department of Grupo Prisa. I 363 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,559 say there won' t be any. I' m already new, if 364 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,440 that' s really the case, we don' t know. I' 365 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960 m saying all this is conjecture, imagination. And I' m also telling 366 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,519 you, Jorge, if they want to go for the podcasters, I' 367 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,440 m telling you, eighty- ninety percent of all the few would fall, 368 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:17,319 that is, of course, eighty ninety percent. What happens is that I 369 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,839 believe that these four are not used because they are very mens as a Turk 370 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119 ' s head. But if you want to go for the copy ray rights 371 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,720 of the songs, you would be charged with a plumb quietly and without problem 372 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:36,240 any eighty ninety percent of the entire podcast content. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 373 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,440 yeah. I believe that they are indeed heads of scapegoats. If it 374 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,519 remains that they have a collection effort and if I want to raise, I 375 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,559 have to go for people who bill if maybe even when they have gone for 376 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,960 them, then they have noticed that the group hasten and then it is up 377 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,400 to them to regulate. But I think these I think this is going to 378 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,359 work out. I think this is gonna work out? No, no, 379 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 380 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 381 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 382 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 383 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 384 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 385 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 386 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 387 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 388 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:52,359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 389 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,680 no, no, no, no. No, no? No, I 390 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,359 think they' re going to eliminate these few, that is, they' 391 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,720 re going to come to some agreement, something now, but that' s 392 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,440 settled. It' s gonna work out. But I' m telling you, 393 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,240 if we put ourselves on, so it' s chellosos that the eighty 394 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,319 ninety percent train falls, but calmly, that is, my time and in 395 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,720 the gym, I' ve been listening to a very mainstream podcas. I 396 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,039 ' m not advertising it. And this is that listening to songs with copy 397 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,119 rights. Ra I say it sounds like come on it' s not even 398 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,720 retouched to say, they haven' t even changed what I said to the 399 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,079 rhythm, the tone. It' s this one of these guys, these 400 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,000 people who are among Vox' s top ten. If you want to go 401 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,799 get them, you can carry it perfectly. But that' s why I 402 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880 say it' s that no one is saved here, including me that if 403 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,680 we don' t put that quelloso here nobody is saved. I' m 404 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,440 going to tell you as an anecdote that for harmony I created techno by taking 405 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:48,519 from a bookstore without being free of rights to compose music. And I already 406 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,519 got a YouTube ad that' s using content and it was my turn to 407 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,799 claim it and I' ve been months, but months to show that that 408 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,039 ' s mine feeling that sending the creation project to the library base, showing 409 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,839 them that it doesn' t have rights and everything and yet they put it 410 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:15,119 in quarantine, so they imagined the scripts. And on one occasion we were 411 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,319 at a festival where I was like a disjooque and they came to ask us 412 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,640 for the list of songs we had used to see what fees we have to 413 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,160 pay. I said no. Don' t make sure you' re here 414 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,839 to watch whether we' re using songs or not. I mean, imagine 415 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,720 what level it is is that there comes a time when you say you have 416 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,799 to do the job to pay them. I really think it' s a 417 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,559 little disquieting. In fact, I think we' re going to leave this 418 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,880 subject here in quarantine and bring it in and it' s over. But 419 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,319 we agree that gra is a magic, not at least here in Spain. 420 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,119 It' s a mob. No, because we' re talking about an 421 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,960 abusive company, because you remember. There was even a bakery that put the 422 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,799 radio to cheer in the morning while doing on the bread because there was presented 423 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,640 an Ispeto of the gays and almost did not take the bakery. So we 424 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:06,359 ' re already talking about a mob. The greatest example is how many devices 425 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,599 George has right now behind which he has paid a canon that takes him to 426 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,160 the gaez or now little, that is, appearing what was before few. 427 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,839 Yes, yes, but any one of you will have, any hard drive, 428 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:19,559 any multima idea device that we pay for digital caron that you pay for. 429 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:25,039 That' s why and it goes directly for those that are directly clear, 430 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:27,359 of course, because the gays already assume that you' re going to 431 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,440 hack, that you' re a criminal, that is, you' re 432 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,319 going to buy a pendriver now. The EPAs and the government assume that you 433 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,720 ' re going to use it to hack and that' s it. Yeah. 434 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,640 You' re paying more for that for the possible copy or no pirate 435 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,559 you make. So, it' s a mafia already. Well, here 436 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,200 ' s what the people who are listening to this thing who' s seeing 437 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,079 it are saying. We offer your comments and invite you to enter into the 438 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:56,960 debate. You' re listening to Joonara Deux of light. Well, comrades, 439 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,680 you will ask yourselves why I have gathered you here, for I have 440 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,519 gathered you together to bring you a subject that has nothing to do with what 441 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,079 I put you in the message with which I called you and it doesn' 442 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,160 t matter, because that message is not that it will explain much either, 443 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,519 but it has happened recently that I would like to bring up here and even 444 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,960 if I catch you by surprise, I think you are going to be able 445 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:21,960 to express your opinion and, moreover, with great words I put you on 446 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,599 record. There is an NBA player named Lebron James, who is everyone called 447 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:33,319 the new Mickel Jordan Tira currently thirty- nine years. We' re talking 448 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:40,400 that not in any young man is playing in Los Angeles Lakers, it' 449 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:45,039 s at a peak with bestial yields. We' re talking about he' 450 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,960 s matching numbers from when he started his career in two thousand three. Hey, 451 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,519 Tony, since I see you' re a very close colleague of Lebron 452 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:53,559 James. Tell him for my part that space jauf two is a garbage okay. 453 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:59,920 That' s what he buys. Mandalo wa levar a trash of movies 454 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,839 and I' ll say we have one person who was the youngest to win 455 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,400 the MVP. From the twenty- one- year- old All Star, 456 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,559 he is the only player in history to be among the top ten in points, 457 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,920 rebounds and assists in his career, that is, keeping all the statistics, 458 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,880 he has played the NBA finals ten times, he has been selected in 459 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,720 the All Star nineteen times, four rings, in two thousand twelve, in 460 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,240 two thousand thirteen, in two thousand sixteen and in two thousand twenty. And 461 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,519 in addition, he has two Olympic gold medals, an Olympic bronze medal and 462 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:36,200 is considered already to be one of the best rivals and it is the eternal 463 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,319 debate of whether it is better he or Michael Jordan, what has happened, 464 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,880 what the news is and this is where I wanted to raise your opinion now, 465 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,839 that it turns out that he has a young son and that he has 466 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,079 been selected by the draft in fifty- five place by the Lakers. So, 467 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,599 it' s going to be the first time in history that they' 468 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,400 re going to play father and son in the same team. But of course, 469 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,839 father who is at high levels, son who has quite basic numbers for 470 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,599 what is the NBA. Come on, for example here in Europe. It 471 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,000 would be a good reference, but the NBA remains a very imitated thing. 472 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,960 I' m sure this is a brutal marketing move. So, what I 473 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:23,160 ' m going to ask you is to give me your opinion on what you 474 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:30,759 think of the level of marketing and product so that it is sold at a 475 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,519 sports level, where not only does what is done, as Jorge achieves, 476 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:38,960 what do you think about everything about seeing as a marketing play can be as 477 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,559 good as bad. I' ll explain something like that. I don' 478 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,200 t know what. It has nothing to do with the sport, though a 479 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,400 little, but little happened to Will Smith with jaden Smith was trying to get 480 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,839 his son into footwear and hunter and hunter not only the movies, not just 481 00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:00,559 the rap but the anthill. Well, anyway, and the truth is they 482 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,759 ' ve only won, but the son' s reputation has always been rather 483 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,960 good. Well, movie, well, wow, and this even dragged a 484 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:15,079 little bit the big one, the great vision we all had of Will Smt, 485 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,119 regardless of what then happened to the Oscars and his wife and Chris Rock. 486 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,319 It' s got nothing to do with it And this same thing that 487 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,680 I was also commenting on in Space Jam Two that if I' m not 488 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:26,799 mistaken, he was dating his son. Also if I' m not mistaken, 489 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,079 I don' t know if he was a son, that was another 490 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,240 actor. It' s good, he was making his son, but he 491 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,400 was in a similar situation. I was trying to train him because he wanted 492 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,799 me to be the basketball player and he has to train. Well, it 493 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,440 ' s got nothing to do with it. I just thought it was his 494 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640 son. That' s why I wanted to link him to Will Smith. 495 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:52,680 But, what I' m going to do can be a master move if 496 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,359 the son looks a little like what his father has achieved, which I find 497 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,640 very, very difficult, because of course, we' re talking about one 498 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,480 of the biggest stars in the NBA, which even at forty years old is 499 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,279 still one of the biggest stars in the NBA. Then clear to get close 500 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:12,160 to this, because you have it frankly difficult. Now, as the first 501 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,279 time in history that a father son plays on the same football team and that 502 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,680 they look and fill all the social networks with tictok cut and photos and marketing 503 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,160 play, because I hope and it will work out well, but it is 504 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,079 a double edged weapon and earn a position being the son of within the world 505 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,599 of sport, you have to be very good for people to take that san 506 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,279 bento away from you. We have the case, for example, of Jordi 507 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,000 Crifft, the son of Johan Criff. We have the case of Carlos Saint 508 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,480 Jur If I am not mistaken that he also does very little in a podcast, 509 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,640 in the podcast of Nuteh Project, he commented that he has had many 510 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,319 advantages thanks to the contacts that his father has within the world of the engine 511 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:54,680 and that he was very grateful. But that' s how he had to 512 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,319 win the job and he' s getting it. We' ll see if 513 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,240 he gets over his father or not, but you suck at competing in the 514 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,759 same space as your father or with your father. In this case, I 515 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,160 see it very, very risky, because the chances of something coming up. 516 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,480 Well, it may be a nice tribute to your father, but you might 517 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,559 as well end it. Let' s say not overshadowing, but bittering the 518 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,519 last years of his career, which I don' t think is the case, 519 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,799 but which gives him a greater joy than a disappointment. It' s 520 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,160 pretty hard. What do you think of your friend, Lebrón, already sends 521 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,359 him the whatsapp. By the way, ask him if he' s also 522 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,880 booked Box Bonny for the team to see. Let' s see. Lebrón 523 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,480 is a business name. Okay, he' s an entrepreneur. So in 524 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:45,359 addition to sportsmen entrepreneurs, this guy has companies of all kinds even tacos. 525 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,000 I mean, this is a phenomenon. Besides, you think that a person 526 00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,960 has been 40 years, practically his sports career is already in the last ones, 527 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,319 not to say he is already a person Nadal himself. Nadal has thirty 528 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,559 - seven for thirty- eight and is already thinking of retiring. We' 529 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:13,480 re not talking about him, therefore, being a high- ranking athlete in 530 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,679 this case, for example, the Vasquez, whether it' s the football 531 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,400 basketball game, the one that' s already forty years old, and your 532 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,159 life as a player and your life as a sportsman is over. Then. 533 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,440 I think this dumb guy doesn' t have a hair because, in fact, 534 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,239 in the movies themselves, because I was already produced by himself. That 535 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,400 is, she was starring and produced by it, saying that he himself put 536 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,960 pasta in his own pocket. And I think this, in the end, 537 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,360 is still another business on Lebron' s side, in this case, to 538 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,199 get his son in, because, after all, Lebron is that he has 539 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,239 money to say he already earns money for punishment, that is, this guy 540 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:52,039 doesn' t need to keep playing basketball or making any more money. This 541 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,840 guy can already be buried in bills like ten times his life. Then you 542 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,599 don' t need that money. Then that he would have wanted to bring 543 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,039 the son in, for he will have to see, He will have to 544 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:02,880 see how good the son is. No, because, for example, I 545 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,239 am remembering now, as Comrade George de Este says, of Wiim Majaidin Smith 546 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,199 ' s son, that this boy has the charisma of a potato, because 547 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,960 he made the film of Karate Kid, which is very bad as the film 548 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,159 of the Planet' s Star. He' s lost to the father, 549 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,559 who doesn' t remember the name, but the movie is a truñaco, 550 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:30,519 I mean. But because the father was also stubborn that he had to be 551 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,000 there. The son tried to put him in several places stop Davy will It 552 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,400 is that you have not yet heard that your son has, has the charisma 553 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,119 of a brick, that is, that your son is not suitable for actor 554 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,880 or singers. Your son' s not worth it at all, not for 555 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,639 not the father and mother, that the mother is also a producer, I 556 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,800 guess he' d be in the garlic because we' re going it' 557 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,400 s fine that he' s, of course, but good, but that 558 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,199 the mother who put the daughter I don' t know if in any of 559 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,360 this good model singing stuff. I' m going to set you up with 560 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,320 two facts. One that Lebronja' s business I don' t tell you 561 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,599 no, but the team, the Lakers, isn' t lebron Jane' 562 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,000 s. In fact, he' s a gambler, collects a salary. 563 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,719 He' s very involved there. In fact, it was going down that 564 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,840 in this coming season and the next, that is, that he was about 565 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,079 to leave the Lakers team and he could have gone to another team winning even 566 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,960 more money this, in the end, are projects and clearly it is said 567 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:29,320 that this can be a loyalty option for lebron to stay there in the last 568 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,519 years of his career, that must be two three at most, and then 569 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,559 the other thing we have to take into account is that the team signs it, 570 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,599 but that it is done through the draft. I mean, it' 571 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,119 s not that I get it, I get it, and that' s 572 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,239 it, I mean, I could have taken it from another team. It 573 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,159 ' s true that when you say fifty- five, it seems to be 574 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,199 one of the last elections. But what the draft has is a lot of 575 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,000 weaves and deals. There are records that have been agreed for years and that 576 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,440 is said those positions are already agreed and that you can not choose up to 577 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:07,960 position forty and things like that take a lot of Lio that this has been 578 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 the fruit of many things. I don' t mean to choose you as 579 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,760 a Pokémon, but you' re telling Ton yourself and it' s a 580 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,679 business in the end. If you say so, this guy will have agreed 581 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,800 with the law that, since a deal, a business and that' s 582 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,239 already saying all the money, after all, in the end, all the 583 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,000 money and you yourself just said it, as I also said a moment ago 584 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:29,880 to this man that he can stay one or two more years in the top 585 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,679 of playing as a player everything, that is, this man is already thinking 586 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,559 about retiring And then, of course, that' s why I say among 587 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,360 the businesses that have the companies that he has, well and you say well, 588 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,480 because I' m going to help my son get in and put in 589 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,159 the hand what I said. We' ll have to see if the son 590 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,639 has player wood, because maybe the son is a dizzy duck playing on the 591 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,920 court. Nobody knows. Then it will no longer depend on the father, 592 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,719 it will depend on the son whether or not he gives the size. The 593 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,079 thing is, his college career, his numbers are good. He' s 594 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,800 always gonna have the problem that they' re gonna compare it to the father 595 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,840 ' s then. Of course it' s not done to her. But 596 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,760 people are comparing Lebron to Michael, but to Michael Jorda. But this is 597 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,840 all in the end to sell newspapers and to sell exclusive. This but you 598 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,519 don' t know the press, because in the end everyone is a child 599 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:22,840 of their time. I still think Michael is far superior to the Lebrón, 600 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,800 but you remember when the Spanish expresa just made Messi compare to Cristiano and sold 601 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:35,119 it. I don' t know how many copies of the brand, just 602 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,320 to see each player' s stats. That in the end is to sell 603 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,480 no more or less that compare. That' s what pink press is for. 604 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,480 That' s pink sauce,' cause you got it. Yeah, 605 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,079 you' d do it or one of your daughters would put it at that 606 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,960 crossroads. Well, my daughter' s already doing her pyrites with the few, 607 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,119 but I wanted to add one thing, and it' s just to 608 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,360 look bad. I don' t think it' s because, logically, 609 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,079 his parents who he is and this son will have had to suck basketball from 610 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960 Pamon, from Coqui, even if it' s half as strict as it 611 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:13,159 was in the film, this kid has to be clear and then, besides, 612 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,519 in this boy there will be no lack of training space, no coaches, 613 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,239 no physical form. I' m not saying it' s bad or 614 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,440 anything. If on top of that, you put all the reinforcement that it 615 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,320 is to work in a team like the Lakers, which will have, then, 616 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,480 just as it can be here Madrid or Barcelona coaches, nutritionists, a 617 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,760 team compañeros that is, it has to be very bad to be very vocal 618 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,000 and to be told not even as much as it is to be the son 619 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,039 of who you were, because you can not play in the Lakers. You 620 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,920 have to be really bad. Another thing is to give him the minutes he 621 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,440 deserves, because he really deserves it, to do the minimum numbers that more 622 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,760 or less expect from a I don' t know if it will be a 623 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,519 rookie, but good someone who has just arrived, so to speak, to 624 00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,800 the NBA and that no one compares him with his father, which is going 625 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,199 to be very difficult, with his father, with the age that the son 626 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:06,519 is now or. But I personally would not like to be in that part 627 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,119 to see I professionally have coincided not with my father, but with my uncles 628 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,440 and comparisons were odious. And the typical one you' re working here because 629 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,760 your uncles are the bosses, so look at the best. Yeah, I 630 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,079 ' m in. But if something doesn' t go for this job, 631 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,719 I' m the first to get fired, because they have the confidence to 632 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,119 kick me out, so, personally, I wouldn' t want to be 633 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:27,719 in the child' s situation to collect what you charge. Yeah, but 634 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440 he' s in his situation. It has to be very hard and we 635 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,760 know a thousand cases of children or nephews who have taken their surnames off so 636 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,239 that no one knew that such a giver and in the end the result would 637 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,760 be better than their predecessors. But of course, that' s what time 638 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,800 says. Okay, here we go. To finish, I' m going 639 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,000 to say that Lebron took almost ten years to win his first Ring was that 640 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,880 eternal promise of It' s going to be the best? Is he gonna 641 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,360 be the best? Is he gonna be the best? It took you ten 642 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,559 years and then he also carried the san bento that they were always comparing him 643 00:40:57,679 --> 00:41:00,920 to Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, Michael Jorda and Look. He' s 644 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,119 retiring. And even when he retires. I think that when it' s 645 00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,800 already in both of us we can pull one day against one and see how 646 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,119 it gives the thing and there it will look. You' re listening, 647 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:19,639 I mean, Luxe Ivan' s lux Joonara, what you' ve prepared 648 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,920 for them, because Mira Tony didn' t know Jorge was coming, so 649 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,880 I' m gonna be honest and I' m gonna be honest. I 650 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,679 was thinking of talking about the digital certificate. But in view of the fact 651 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,559 that Jorge has come, I' m going to if you don' t 652 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,840 mind, I' m going to go back to the topic that I had 653 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,840 originally thought about, because I would like to know his opinion, because Jorge 654 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,039 is a guy that I have considered professional that besides, he is dedicated to 655 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:45,280 the world of podcast and I would like to know his opinion. So, 656 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000 if you don' t mind, I' d like to. You have 657 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,920 all the freedom, that is, you have five minutes to expose what you 658 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,840 want, as if you talk to me about the bad exits that you just 659 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,480 bought perfect, because nothing, because then I take advantage that Jorge is there 660 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,360 to launch this topic that I insist was the first that I had thought, 661 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,360 as I didn' t know he was coming, because I was going to 662 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,800 talk about the digital certification. But, well, I' m going to 663 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,400 talk about what I consider podcastle prostitution and that' s why I want Jorge 664 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480 to help me with this, because I' d like to know your opinion. 665 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,079 Let' s see the podcast prostitution. Why do I say that podcast 666 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,679 is prostituted? He is prostituted because he is mainly for two reasons. The 667 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,679 first, because the word podcast is already being used too light to say everything 668 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:38,679 already, absolutely everything is podcast. Not then, let' s say podcasts 669 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:47,519 are cool. It is becoming a very stream term or very mainstream and of 670 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,840 course, we are now seeing as YouTube channels where, for example, they 671 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,719 do interviews, because now that they call it a podcast. And just the 672 00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,440 other day I was with my partner, she was watching an interview, but 673 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,519 a guy with a girl or a guy not better, no, I don 674 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,719 ' t remember and asked him well what you' re watching and he says 675 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:07,519 I' m watching a podcast, but how are you watching a podcast? 676 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,039 Says yes, yes, I' m watching an interview podcast and I' 677 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,119 m not a podcast, that' s an interview, that' s a 678 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,320 video interview. Call it whatever you want, but that' s not a 679 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,360 podcast. It' s not gonna be a podcast. And they put it 680 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,360 in the title. I mean, it' s like it' s like 681 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,840 Mercedes B or BMW, that is, a renold clio. Even if you 682 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,320 put the stage in the BMW, it will remain a clio, i e, 683 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,239 I believe that here, as far as the podcast world is concerned, 684 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,239 there is an imposter syndrome, in the sense that they are posing as podcast 685 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,440 for the typical interview that I said, the typical interview. Any audio that 686 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,800 goes up, that is, is that, for example, it would never 687 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,440 occur to me to say that Jesus Quintero was Podcaster. I' d never 688 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,880 think of saying that Tingos terminale a podcast. Der I have Borne does interviews 689 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,639 at home, interviews a person and is a lifelong interview. Jesus Quintero sat 690 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:05,880 in front of a famous uncle, did the interview and then each for his 691 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:13,239 home. So I say that now the term definition of podcast is used for 692 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,679 absolutely everything, which seems a little dangerous to me, because, in a 693 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,719 way, what it does is divert attention and confuse people. Do not confuse 694 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,800 people, because already people, when you talk about podcast, we are talking 695 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,920 that, at least in Spain, the term little does not stop being a 696 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,119 recently very new term re. So of course, if you give a person 697 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:36,840 a YouTube video, you tell them that' s a podcast. If you 698 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,360 open the iba Us app, it' s a podcast. In short, 699 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,960 it' s all a podcast, because then you confuse people. And then, 700 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,559 with the second aspect that I was going to mention is that why I 701 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,199 think the podcast is being prostituted is because anyone can create podcast, unfortunately, 702 00:44:54,599 --> 00:45:00,760 with greater or less luck, because, depending on how it is now, 703 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:07,519 anyone can create a podcast. And that means lack of professionalism, lack of 704 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:14,159 resources, lack of preparation. I mean, anybody here gets caught and recorded 705 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,119 from a cell phone, from the weirdest cell phone he' s got. 706 00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,800 It makes a recording of five or ten minutes. He puts it up to 707 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,039 Evox and that' s his pod There' s no quality. Then of 708 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,360 course, the problem is that for those who take it seriously, because of 709 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,119 course they compare those people who take it seriously to four crazy people that what 710 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,280 they do is record themselves any nonsense and upload it and say that that is 711 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,159 a podcast. Well, man, that' s for sure luckily, because 712 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,119 obviously the medium allows the free market to allow everyone to create a postt to 713 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:52,960 create its content. Now, that own free market is also polluting the media 714 00:45:52,079 --> 00:46:00,599 itself by dirtying all the good work that the rest of the colleagues do themselves, 715 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,960 for example, I have always said, I always do the content that 716 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,119 I like to do. But one thing that I' m very clear on 717 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,840 without hair is that I don' t take the listener for an idiot. 718 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,559 I don' t take the listener for a fool. I try to give 719 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:20,360 a minimum of quality, I try to make the content good, that the 720 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,400 theme is interesting, that the songs and the editing is taken care of, 721 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,800 that is, I have pampered by the product and I take care of it, 722 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:35,039 which I cannot say the same thing about many other people, because of 723 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,559 course, like anyone you can do a podcast, because now, like everything 724 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,480 is allowed, not then. Well. To sum up, I think that 725 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,679 the definition of podcast, that' s why it' s being prostituted by 726 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,199 that way, by the misuse that is being given to it and by that 727 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,599 imposter syndrome that now everything is podcast up to a video interview on YouTube. 728 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:59,840 It' s already a podcast because, for example, there are colleagues who 729 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,639 make a program through Twitch and they say and then they take extract that audio, 730 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,719 they upload it there Box and ah it' s a podcast. It 731 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,199 ' s not a podcast. It' s a Twitch stream that you' 732 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,239 ve then extracted the audio, uploaded it to eBox, and put it through 733 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,719 a podcast. But it' s not a podcast, because let' s 734 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,519 remember and this, Jorge, may or may not correct me. The podcast 735 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,760 is a radio format. He was born on the radio. Then a podcast 736 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,639 or YouTube video will never be a podcast, no matter how much you say 737 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,639 it is. He was born on the radio, because, in fact, 738 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,239 word, the very word podcast is the union between iPod and broadcast. No. 739 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,719 No, no, no, it' s not. That' s 740 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,519 why we have to blame Steve Jos, who tried to get in, but 741 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,800 no, it' s not no, it' s good, but it 742 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,559 ' s the good Union. Coloquially it is known as the Union of both 743 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:52,719 words, not iPod and Broads. Almost good, but the medium where the 744 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,920 podcast was born is the radio. It' s like I wouldn' t 745 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,840 think of saying that if I' m playing a basketball, a football field, 746 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,760 saying I' m playing fut, I' m not playing basketball. 747 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,519 It was a football field, but I' m not playing football. So, 748 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:14,159 well, there my reflection by allusions looks. I' m also going 749 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:17,800 to use this, this, this simile I heard from a colleague who was 750 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,679 also a well- known podcast creator in Colombia, Happy Reaño, who is 751 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,039 an announcer and precisely liked the question of what a podcast is for you. 752 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,400 And I used a fable of the four blind and the elephant that I really 753 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,960 liked and I told her I' ll use it as soon as I get 754 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,039 the chance. Well, it' s been four days and I' ve 755 00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,960 got the chance. It turns out that four blind men meet an elephant and 756 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,079 the first, the blind man, says an elephant is kind of elongated like 757 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,960 a tube and another says no. An elephant is like a snake with hairs 758 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:52,119 at the end, another says not an elephant is something like very thick, 759 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:55,679 as well as with many wrinkles and very elongated, like an anaconda, a 760 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,599 very very fat snake, and there is another that says no before something very 761 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,719 big, so very flat, like a barrel. Of course, every blind 762 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,960 man was playing a different part of an elephant. And yet, to someone 763 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,840 who can see that it has one more meaning and that especially moves away from 764 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,599 the elephant, they tell an elephant, because it is a four- legged 765 00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,679 animal, with a trunk, with a robbery, with tail, with ears. 766 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,079 Well, anyway, what an elephant is. Sure. A person who 767 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,960 only watches podcast via YouTube will say no. Podcasts are interviews via YouTube. 768 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,320 A person who listens to narrative podcast will tell you no. A podcast is 769 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,719 something of a narrative with an investigation, with a lot of things, the 770 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000 one who listens to audio books, will tell you no podcasts or no audio 771 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,960 books. Whoever listens to all sorts of podcasts will tell you all kinds of 772 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,199 podcasts. They' re good as podcast and I really liked how an announcer 773 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,800 ended it in this case who said podcast is anything you can find in a 774 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:52,400 podcast app. And this is where I want to add a little bit more, 775 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,679 and it' s just that we have to start naming podcasts. I 776 00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,840 explain if a podcast your main or a broadcast media, is a video platform 777 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:07,159 you will have to call video podcast. If a podcast is a sound fiction, 778 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,920 then it is a sound fiction podcast, if it is a humor podcast, 779 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,360 if it is a live podcast, if it is a podcast event and 780 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,119 it is necessary to continue to expand the word, because, fortunately, unfortunately, 781 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,239 the podcast phenomenon is already so wide that it is that you have to 782 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,480 call it that. My podcast, for example, is a metapodcast podcast that 783 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:28,400 talks about other podcasts, but it is also a daily podcast, because it 784 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,880 is a daily podcast. Then you have to start putting names because, as 785 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,760 you say, it' s all podcast, but there are things that aren 786 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,880 ' t podcasts. As for what was born of the radio, yes no, 787 00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,119 at first and the definition itself is said by the podcast format, all 788 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,480 it has to have is a syndication system, that is, an RSS that 789 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:50,840 you can subscribe to. But inside that RSS may be audios or videos. 790 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,239 The first videos here in Spain, sorry. The first podcasts here in Spain, 791 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:57,599 not because the platforms still did not allow it. But in the United 792 00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,199 States the first podcasts already carried videos, not via YouTube, but via the 793 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:05,960 fiat RSS. So, of course, this has always caused controversy. I 794 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,360 admit I don' t like video podcasts. I am a consumer of audio 795 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,159 podcast, but you have to fit that definition that is allowed videos inside the 796 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,880 RSS fit. And then, on the other hand, the word i poz. 797 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,800 Actually the podcast comes not by the iPod, but by the word poz 798 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,280 itself, the word pill that were audio pills or video broadcast on broadcast. 799 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,960 So the pills issued, which is the cast, are pills issued in an 800 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,840 RSS A syndication format. All this about prostitution and already closing the issue a 801 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,599 little bit. Luckily, unfortunately, I' ve lived many years listening to 802 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,360 podcast when we were a little bit short, I' m not going to 803 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,679 say podcasting, but listening to podcast. Few podcast listeners and now this has 804 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,719 been a brutal expansion since the two thousand and fourteen with the launch of Syrial 805 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,639 in Spain of the two thousand and sixteen with Podio a podcast, the two 806 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:04,960 thousand and twenty with Pandemia, and we are in two thousand and twenty that 807 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,519 we are already so hung from that bong dubo of podcast of the pandemic that 808 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,159 already everyone podcasts and is the most common thing in the world. This is 809 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,239 good and bad. Antonio Runa said it almost ten years ago that the best 810 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,000 and worst thing in the podcast world is that everyone can have theirs. You 811 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,239 can make very good podcasts and very bad podcasts. I am the first to 812 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,519 encourage anyone to start their podcast, because the sooner they start it, the 813 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,440 sooner they start learning and the sooner they start to improve. It is good 814 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,639 that anyone can have a podcast, because yes, because that means that there 815 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,280 will be very bad people doing podcasts, that will end up becoming very good 816 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,480 people doing podcasts, and vice versa people who think they are very good and 817 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,559 that because of what it costs to make a podcast, because that you have 818 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,920 to keep in mind that a podcast not only to stand in front of a 819 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:53,119 microphone, it is to edit the audio, it is to prepare a script 820 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,639 to upload them, to promote, if we add video to it is even 821 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:58,760 more expensive and even more laborious. You have to endure plus three, ten, 822 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,920 fifty hundred ros first chapters and when you already have a tour, I 823 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,440 have a community behind and you have an audience, you can say that you 824 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:08,559 have a podcast to broadcast a chapter. You have a podcast active, but 825 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,519 you don' t have a podcast. And I think everyone here knows what 826 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:15,599 it takes to do it. And that' s what I' d like 827 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,400 people to learn that doing a podcast isn' t recording a YouTube video and 828 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,360 then hanging it on a podcast platform, if legally. But what it costs 829 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,000 and it seems to me that it is the ninety or seventy percent of podcas 830 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,159 do not pass from the third episode and only the eighty to ninety percent that 831 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,719 wins the chapter number ten. When a podca arrives at chapter one hundred, 832 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,280 it is more likely that it will arrive at chapter two hundred, that it 833 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,000 will stop recording before it reaches two hundred. But we have to get to 834 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,599 chapter one hundred. Then it' s one thing to do a podcast. 835 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,480 For letting you g to try and another thing already entreat to have an audience 836 00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,880 to get something a little more serious. It is an industry that, luckily, 837 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,079 for me, because I now dedicate myself to this that comes to me 838 00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:59,079 phenomenal, that I would not want anyone to stop trying to make his podcast 839 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,800 the same as I started and sounded fatal and gradually improved, either with a 840 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,960 microphone of ten six hundred euros or with his own mobile phone. The important 841 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,599 thing is that, as you say well, take care of your audience, 842 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:16,880 have respect for the audience, have no respect and do not be respectful of 843 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,960 your fellow podcasters, so do the rest of the podcast competition and try, 844 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,320 for my part, to try to join the Community from where Evos, Spotify, 845 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:29,639 we can even from wherever it is, but look for more fellow microphones 846 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:34,360 because they surely learn much more than they can teach you or who can learn 847 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,559 for themselves. But one question. Jorge you really believe that at the moment 848 00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:44,280 we are now two thousand twenty- four June of two thousand twenty- four, 849 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,159 we are at that moment when there are more and more podcasts. Or 850 00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:52,159 we just touched that point where we' re probably going down. It was 851 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,559 touched in two thousand twenty- two, in two thousand twenty- two the 852 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,599 peak of the pandemic. In two thousand twenty there was a peak peak that 853 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,360 began to rise and in two thousand twenty- two had already been. And 854 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,880 we' ve been going down for two years in terms of creating new podcasts 855 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,280 in front of dying podcasts. Why it' s because of this because people 856 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,039 realized after two years doing podcasting in the pandemic. Everyone made twitch and podcast 857 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,840 channels and a lot of things, but what it costs to make a podcast 858 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,119 is constancy and the return that a podcast brings to you is not the same 859 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,760 as the one that can bring you a Twitch channel, an Instagram account, 860 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,159 especially the exhibition. It' s not the same as a more visual or 861 00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:29,360 live channel, more streaming than something that' s mostly sound, that' 862 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,239 s not just sound, but above all it' s sound and that' 863 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,320 s loyalty. Yes, but, Jorge, but I point out to you, 864 00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:39,079 is that with the sound gets sensations, with the video you don' 865 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,920 t get, because I' m the first one to say it, because, 866 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,599 to give an example, I am a consumer of podcast. I consume 867 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,320 all kinds of podcasts and, perhaps I put on an audio book or an 868 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,920 audio story or a sound fiction and listen to the treatment they make of sound 869 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,719 to the creator himself. And besides putting it this capable of effects, sounds, 870 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,599 effects of all kinds of virguerías and is that you hallucinate, because it 871 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:14,559 makes you travel in a way that otherwise you would not get. Then it 872 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:15,960 ' s the power of the word. Not to say, anyone can be 873 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,599 filmed playing the fool on the Internet, but very few really get to convey 874 00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:23,400 a feeling to you through the word. So I think there' s the 875 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,760 magic of what podcast is. I, for example, in my personal case, 876 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,199 I totally and absolutely bet on the podcast, because I, for example, 877 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,360 there are a lot of people who have encouraged me to do it by 878 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,400 video agreement, by video has already been taken advantage of by YouTube or by 879 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,239 other means. And yet, I tell you all right, show me, 880 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,119 show me with numbers that work. And I know people who have been broadcasting 881 00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:53,360 on video for two or three years and still have the same numbers as two 882 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,840 or three years ago. So I' m really saying, if you' 883 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,239 re really convinced that it works, introduce me, I mean, no, 884 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:02,440 you talk to me about mouthpiece. Present me with data at the table, 885 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,760 how many subscribers you have won in a year, how many average viewers you 886 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,679 have per program. I mean, presenting me with data isn' t that 887 00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:17,039 no, no, it' s just that you don' t have the 888 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,000 same ones as you did a year or two ago. So, it doesn 889 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,079 ' t work, so I think, in my opinion, that the podcast 890 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:28,840 listener is a total audience and absolutely different than the one that consumes a YouTube 891 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,119 video? Why isn' t the one who consumes a YouTube video going to 892 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,400 listen to a podcast? The one who listens to the podcast listening isn' 893 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,199 t there going to be a YouTube video? I mean, they' re 894 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,440 totally public and absolutely different from me. I, in my opinion, don 895 00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:49,400 ' t really like consuming YouTube interviews because it forces me to watch a screen 896 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,119 and stand in front of a screen. Instead, I really like to listen 897 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:57,800 to podcast, because I can hear it while driving, while I go to 898 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,719 the gym, while I go for a walk, even as I go to 899 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:07,559 the money Then of course, I think they' re totally different audiences in 900 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:13,199 the end and you have to look for your target audience niche on that platform 901 00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:16,199 and as much as you insist and say it' s not that the video 902 00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:17,800 will open the windows for you. Then it turns out it' s not 903 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,280 true. Then I say more than talk. Give me data and when we 904 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,880 already have data, we can talk about it. Then. To go, 905 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,800 finishing with this topic of podcast prostitution, then I feel sorry that when there 906 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,559 are people who tell me it' s not that I' m watching a 907 00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:38,079 podcast on YouTube, because come on. Yes, let' s accept video 908 00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:40,320 podcast as a companion animal, as an octopus, as a companion animal. 909 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,880 But I think it' s a bad word in the end. I mean, 910 00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:50,119 I think now what happens is that the term podcast is very fashionable. 911 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,360 Now everyone talks about podcasts, even on the zero wave itself when alcina makes 912 00:58:53,960 --> 00:59:00,159 a chapter of her radio program and then misses that audio and uploads it there 913 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:06,760 you say Arsina' s podcast. I watch the Alsina podcast is the SINA 914 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,760 program that has aired at nine o' clock in the morning, but then 915 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,599 you publish it on Evox and now you put it through podcast, because it 916 00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,480 will continue to do the Arxina program. But there are even fake ads posing 917 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:25,599 as podcasts and cuts on YouTube impersonating pot poe. I' ve seen dentist 918 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:30,079 ads saying it was a podcast, a dentist ad. And I say, 919 00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,920 but how is it going to be a dentist' s ad. The thing 920 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,079 is, it' s an ad you get the audio from. You put 921 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:43,000 it up there box nicknamed you like it and you say it' s the 922 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,360 podcast from the dental clinic. That' s right. I was commenting Jorge 923 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,679 you sent, you sent it to me, you put it in your group. 924 00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:52,199 I don' t remember. People who are filmed with a wireless microphone, 925 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,320 a magic microphone to look like they' re doing a podcast. The 926 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,599 video is recorded. That' s why I' m saying it' s 927 01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:05,800 that the term podcast has been prostituted, because now, miraculously and magically, 928 01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:09,039 all a podcast, an advertisement, is a podcast, an interview, it 929 01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:10,960 ' s a podcast, a stream of Twitch. That' s it, 930 01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,599 but be the bad thing, or something mainstream. It' s just that 931 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:20,559 when it wasn' t the ones who loved the format, we were looking 932 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,000 forward to it becoming famous, for everyone to know what a podcast was so 933 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,320 we wouldn' t have to explain it. And now that it is, 934 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,920 we' re screwed that people are using it for all kinds of things, 935 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,760 but it doesn' t bother me if I had this subject with my partner 936 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,480 that she told me is that it hurts you, because it' s that 937 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,079 you touch this subject because it hurts you because I' m going to see 938 01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,119 creatures that I' ve been doing a podcast for seven years, that is, 939 01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:45,760 you' re not going to come to me to tell me what it 940 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,119 is or not a podcast that I' ve been out there for seven years 941 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,840 now and you' ve discovered them. About a year ago. Then. 942 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:58,039 That is why I say that, in short, I think we should be 943 01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:07,840 more responsible for creating content and not contaminating it in this way. In the 944 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,719 end, this is business and we go back to the same thing. It 945 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:15,000 ' s Tecnia market. The example you' ve set the Sina seems wonderful 946 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,480 to me. Alsina, which is a television program, there is radio forgiveness, 947 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,079 it is zero wave and in the end they turn it into audio, 948 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:29,079 into podcast, which allows many people to enjoy it asynchronously you can listen to 949 01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,719 it later and then turn it into video, that is, Alsina already goes 950 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,440 out with Americana with her shirt well combed. Of course, of course, 951 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,360 of course, I could be the host of any newscaster and that' s 952 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,199 what he' s doing. In fact, it interacts radio with television, 953 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,760 because then it heals you gray on antenna three. It' s true they 954 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:51,360 ' re from the same group, and it' s that if you get 955 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,159 extra. Imagine that you at your house record the three o' clock TV 956 01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:57,280 on the three o' clock afternoon of antenna three, take out the audio 957 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,960 for an hour, upload it to eBox and say it' s the podcast 958 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:01,880 of the one before was three news. The anthill does so, he' 959 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,360 s losing money to three before he doesn' t get the teledioo out, 960 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,360 yes, really if in the end it' s a sum and it goes 961 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,119 on and he follows me if you' re already doing it and it' 962 01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:13,039 s an effort. In fact, I told you in his day and not 963 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:15,519 another. I can show it with numbers. But I told you if what 964 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,320 you' re doing with your program, with no beats hairs, would be 965 01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,039 recorded on video and you' d start uploading it, because at first it 966 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,599 would be better without repercussion, but you' d have a chance to hit 967 01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,159 a minimum weekly program that goes on video and you' re adding up on 968 01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,760 one side of the other, and I' m telling you that I tell 969 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,239 you more iván with the numbers that you have. If you replicate those numbers 970 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,440 on YouTube, the monetization you would have would be bestish. Look, look, 971 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:38,800 Tony, look, look, look, look, look, look, 972 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 973 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 974 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 975 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 976 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 977 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 978 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 979 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 980 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, 981 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:38,800 look, look, look, look, look, look, look. 982 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,199 I like that I took that example because I set myself to find out what 983 01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:49,000 other much bigger postcards had done. Look, for example, the hug of 984 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,800 the insurance that sounds to you not the hug of the bear or this or 985 01:02:52,920 --> 01:03:00,400 the contra c I don' t remember well the orbit of endor not these 986 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,840 people three months ago they left their YouTube channel. These people have on average 987 01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,960 n eBox about 50, 000 visits per program. You know how many plays 988 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,440 there were on YouTube six hundred. I mean, taking the jump to YouTube 989 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,280 doesn' t guarantee you absolutely anything for a lot of numbers you have on 990 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,880 Evox. That' s why I say that Evox' s audience is totally 991 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,880 different from Yotube' s audience. I' m clear and I can' 992 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,079 t talk to you about guarantees. I wish, if I had the formula 993 01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:29,239 of success, I would be lined up and I would be advising on going 994 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,320 and how things are done, I am clear, but what possibilities to always 995 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,280 add in fact, you have missed a very good example that I had not 996 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,840 thought and you have given in the nail the contra Crónica Fernández What is called 997 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,320 Fernández Díaz de Villanueva. I' m now Fernández. I' ve lost 998 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,280 myself to Chronicle. He does it on YouTube and he does it on eBox. 999 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,599 Above Nibox, it has it in original and it is the same product 1000 01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:52,360 and it is getting good audience on one side and on the other, and 1001 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,599 monetizes on the one hand and on the other. It' s already adding 1002 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,840 and adding, and year after year it' s growing. Take a good 1003 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,960 look, look at the hug. I' m looking for him, the 1004 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:05,840 hug has one hundred and forty- five zero subscribers at Evox Vale uploaded at 1005 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,519 the time of recording this worth uploading a program. Speaking of the Nobel Prizes 1006 01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:14,920 in Spanish have or speaking of Atlantity, do you see speaking of Atlantis have 1007 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,519 eighteen zero listeners? You remember, 18 zero you listen? We have said 1008 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:25,440 one hundred and forty- five zero subscribers, as these people also bet on 1009 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:30,079 their own YouTube channel and have abandoned it. For if the results supposedly would 1010 01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:34,760 not abandon him, they have abandoned him. And I tell you six hundred 1011 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,639 average visits. Then there are other colleagues I' m going to mention to 1012 01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:45,119 us what they do, because the Twitch and streaming video have an average of 1013 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:54,639 twenty, twenty viewers by twenty viewers per program twenty. I just don' 1014 01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,039 t know, it' s just that then, I mean, the numbers 1015 01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,280 give me the reason. It doesn' t feed one platform from another, 1016 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,719 because they' re totally different audiences. So, the one who' s 1017 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,159 going to look for YouTube video is going to look for the one who' 1018 01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:08,119 s going to look for the podcast is going to look for the podcasts. 1019 01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:12,159 If you prove it to me with numbers, I might agree with you, 1020 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,880 but in this case it is clear that in the end it is only a 1021 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,159 few who succeed in all segments. But I say you can also set the 1022 01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:24,280 example I told you Fernando Díaz Villanueva. But it' s a case Look 1023 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,079 at me I can tell you a lot more case looked at the orbit of 1024 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:31,119 the endor orbit they completely left YouTube and Twitch. I can talk to you, 1025 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:39,320 look, I' m just looking. I can talk to you about 1026 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,440 night terrors, I can talk to you about stopping. It' s just 1027 01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,280 not what you said before. You can play with a ball on a basketball 1028 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,360 court or on an east football, but they' re not the same rules. 1029 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,079 It' s not the same audience, as you well say, it 1030 01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:56,039 ' s not the same format they haven' t been investing in at the 1031 01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:56,760 same time, of course it can' t be measured. No. But 1032 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,519 supposedly if you take the video leap you fit more audience or you catch new 1033 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,599 audience through that platform to call it you have chances to capture, which is 1034 01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:08,880 not the same as if you don' t. That' s what I 1035 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,199 ' m talking about. If you don' t, I' m sure 1036 01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:13,000 you won' t catch anything else. If you do, you have a 1037 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,360 chance. I don' t know anyone who' s there if you give 1038 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,800 me any welcome examples. I don' t know anyone. I don' 1039 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,760 t know anyone who says YouTube or Twitch or what I am has worked for 1040 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,920 me because it has increased my visits on eBox. I don' t know 1041 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,159 anyone. I' m gonna tell you, I' m not gonna introduce 1042 01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,239 you to anyone? I' ll tell you, a person who advised me 1043 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,440 to go on YouTube if I wanted to, and that was Jordi Jther and 1044 01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:39,360 he has several programs. Live on this. He' s a person who 1045 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,360 lives off this and I eat. What Jordi Jatser' s name is on 1046 01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:47,039 YouTube, on yousbeor d Jacher it' s called Jordi Yarson no urn if 1047 01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,480 you use it as spurnas, that' s for nothing. And he' 1048 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:53,480 s got Twitch, he' s got YouTube and he' s got several 1049 01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:58,000 podcasts and in the end it' s what he says it' s a 1050 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,320 sum and goes on and his master if it was for money, he told 1051 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,079 me he' d only focus on YouTube and Twitch, which is what gives 1052 01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,119 money. Why they keep podcasts, because from there they also use them to 1053 01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:11,079 catch people and then come to another side followers in patrons. And all that 1054 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,119 says And in the end is the sum of everything you have to look for 1055 01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:15,400 I already tell you and he' s a person who lives right now from 1056 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,679 this, he' s been living from himself for several years. But Jordi, 1057 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:23,280 if I remember correctly he was a journalist or something of this was no. 1058 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,559 No, as he says, he' s a graphic designer and besides, 1059 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,039 I' ve had a chance to talk to him several times. Yeah, 1060 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,039 but okay, yeah, but a case doesn' t give me the 1061 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:36,519 general rule of what I can. I just say it and I sell it 1062 01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:41,880 as that opportunity to go to more, because televisions are already uploading their content 1063 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,880 to YouTube, to Telecinco programs you can no longer see on YouTube why, 1064 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,440 because they are because nobody watches TV I myself, I never watch TV I 1065 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:54,599 watch. In fact, I don' t even have the television channel tuned 1066 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,960 in on TV, because when I understand the telesion is to connect or the 1067 01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,400 console or on Netflix, of course and there will be people who will tell 1068 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,639 you. If I see it through YouTube, a Telecinco program before three, 1069 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,960 I don' t care what chain it is that will tell you. That 1070 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,840 ' s no longer television so you' re watching it, because yes, 1071 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,760 but it' s that many of the TV shows were recorded and invited to 1072 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,679 you in concrete honor and that' s it and it doesn' t make 1073 01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:14,280 any more sense. There' s no turning it around, either. For 1074 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,600 me a sum and go on and I don' t want to entertain you 1075 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,560 any more with this subject. I find very good the option that you have, 1076 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:30,039 that you have proposed, you are listening to, or as a joonara 1077 01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:31,319 of light I want to ask you a question before you leave and not you. 1078 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,720 I entertain more really how you' ve spent it. Jorge, Well, 1079 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:39,760 well, I already do when as a recording ring every day, because 1080 01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:45,000 luxury hair, bad batillo. So vipammon different themes, different. All right, 1081 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,079 all right, all right, all right, but I' m glad 1082 01:08:46,119 --> 01:08:48,560 you borrowed it and I' m glad it brings everything and it' s 1083 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,399 going how you spent it. All right, you taste good. I know 1084 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:55,560 you' re afraid to invite me, but you haven' t seen anything 1085 01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:00,880 that I' ve been good at, so nothing. Well, whenever you 1086 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,560 like I keep posting content I don' t take vacations until August, so 1087 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,039 nothing gets in, but you ask for it throughout the month of July and 1088 01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,720 it' s only in August. We' re not going on vacation, 1089 01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:15,319 but it' s coming back in September, so nothing. We do keep 1090 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,479 inviting in the summer. I said, guys, thank you so much for 1091 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,399 participating and even the next show.