1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,280 Hey, everyone, So what if we all got together and talked to Israel 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:12,599 Keys while I don't know, wine tasting in Argentina or luxuriating in my favorite 3 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:18,800 place, Bali, or eating our way across Keys destinations like Mexico or Belize. 4 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:24,719 Maybe we'll even talk Bravo. But rest assured, we'll relax, vacation 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,440 and work on crowd solving the Keys case in person somewhere incredible. If that 6 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:34,000 sounds like fun to you, let me know by filling out the very non 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:40,119 committal survey linked in the show notes. Because this is actually happening and I 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,159 want your input and to see you there wherever there ends up being. So 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,359 check out the show notes, fill out the survey, and let vacation somewhere 10 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:55,840 fantastic together. One last thing before we start the show tonight Thursday at nine 11 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,920 pm Eastern on YouTube, join me for a live stream discussion about the episode. 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,959 The link to the live stream is in the show notes. All right, 13 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:26,040 now to the show. This is a studio both and production. There's 14 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:32,719 an old Chinese parable that can loosely be translated to ride a cow while finding 15 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,640 a horse. It's a phrase I think about a lot. Use what you 16 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,159 have to get what you need, make the most of your limited resources. 17 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:49,400 Sometimes the most obvious tool or path is also the most easiest to overlooked. 18 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,920 You have more than you know. You just need to look closer and think 19 00:01:53,959 --> 00:02:02,879 outside the box. This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh 20 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:19,360 Hallmark, and this is a serialized story of Israel Keys. I was recently 21 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,280 going back through the search and seizure files and the photos we obtained of the 22 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:29,159 Constable House, and something seemingly innocuous stood out to me. A pile of 23 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:36,560 newspapers in the Constable kitchen, yellowed with time, but otherwise in pretty good 24 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:42,599 condition, was a local newspaper, the Malone Telegraph. Malone is the town 25 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,719 directly south of Constable. What stood out to me was the date on the 26 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:53,039 paper, because it was a newspaper from more than two decades ago, and 27 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,719 it would seem to indicate that Keys was likely at the Constable House when this 28 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:08,039 paper was published, which could be quite impactful. However, there are a 29 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:15,400 few hiccups in that presumption, the first of which are Kisas statements regarding hunters 30 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,919 and campers being on the Constable property. Have there been other people staying there 31 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,479 that you know, is that what all this stuff is from. This is 32 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:31,599 a close up of that we was that how it was when there last time 33 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,039 I was there, looked like there had been hundreds of the campers hanging out 34 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:45,960 there because there was there was a mattress. I'm wanted these forced too. 35 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,280 It's not all of these pictures. It might be just stopped as a side 36 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:55,840 here there's a mattress in the kitchen area. What this statement means, with 37 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,639 or without Kisa's intention, is that anything found on that property could feasibly be 38 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:09,960 connected to these trespassing hunters and campers and not necessarily connected to keys. It's 39 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:16,480 plausible deniability. But the thing is, his story about hunters and campers trespassing 40 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:23,040 on the property never really made a lot of sense to me, for one. 41 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,439 As far as I can tell, the items they're discussing in that particular 42 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:32,959 conversation are a mattress on the floor near the kitchen and likely, according to 43 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:39,079 the search and seizure documentation, a stained comforter and a bottle of draino, 44 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:44,839 which were found in the same area as the mattress. Now, I don't 45 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,279 know many hunters and am not an avid camper, but I don't know any 46 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:55,879 hunters nor campers who travel with mattresses or draino. Second to that, I 47 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,879 can't imagine campers or hunters squatting in someone's cabin going to move an existing mattress 48 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:08,560 into the most visible room in the cabin to sleep. Second, there's no 49 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:15,120 real reason for hunters or campers to squat at Keysa's cabin because the Trout River 50 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:21,279 State Forest is a quarter mile away, and they permit hunting in designated and 51 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:27,319 marked areas in that state forest. With ample signage and a parking lot, 52 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,439 there would be no need for people to park in front of someone's house and 53 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:39,879 then use their land to hunt, particularly when you consider Poplar Street is hardly 54 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:46,759 an inviting neighborhood. I will, however, hold space for the idea or 55 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,639 possibility that hunters or campers could have wandered from the state forest onto Keys's property, 56 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,240 but there were and remain many no trespassing signs along the property line, 57 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:03,839 which is adjacent to a small logging facility. You couldn't realistically accidentally end up 58 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:11,920 on Keysa's land from the state forest. And Third, as we discussed earlier 59 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,839 this season, it's clear that people have been on the property since Keys's arrest. 60 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:20,439 As I mentioned, it looks as though people have left items there, 61 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:27,439 whether by mistake or to make them look suspicious or like evidence. But all 62 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:33,439 that said, leaving this specific newspaper would require a significant level of foresight and 63 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:41,920 effort. Someone would have needed to buy that newspaper at publication before anyone knew 64 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Keys existed, hang on to it for at least one decade, and then 65 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:55,839 plant it inside a previously unknown serial killer's property. So unless time travel is 66 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,199 real, I'm not buying it. And at first, those seemed like the 67 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:08,560 only even slightly plausible non Keys explanations for how that newspaper got and stayed inside 68 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:13,720 Keyes's house. But while we were looking deeper into the Constable property, we 69 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,279 found something else, a lie by omission that could be impactful to both the 70 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:26,319 search of the property and the newspapers found on it. Earlier this year, 71 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Kim Kay and Jordan found evidence that could indicate Israel Keys with stealing people's identities. 72 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:36,360 They were pulling records on the Constable house and came across something odd. 73 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:42,199 A man by the name of David kept coming up as a resident of five 74 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,680 eleven Poplar Street. Constable New York, specifically during the year two thousand three, 75 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:54,600 years after Keys was given the property by his parents. After digging into 76 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:00,120 David, we found a fairly robust residential history for him for every year of 77 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,720 his adult life, including two thousand and three, we could place him living 78 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,600 somewhere else. In fact, that one blip was the only time Constable ever 79 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:16,199 came up in his records. And at this point we already had some compelling 80 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:22,360 evidence that Keys was likely stealing people's identities and very likely using fake IDs. 81 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:28,879 So it seemed clear that David was a victim of identity theft by Israel Keys, 82 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:37,480 and so I decided to give David a call and find out more about 83 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:48,559 when and how his identity was stolen. Welcome to another session of Green Chef 84 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,639 Recipe Minute. 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Did you guys have animals are at one point, not like 102 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,840 dogs and cats, but like animals in one of these pars, that's what 103 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:37,000 they said, like an or straw and stuff. Still getting a hold of 104 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:43,240 David wasn't particularly easy, even after Kim k was able to track down a 105 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:48,440 phone number that belonged to a business that might have been run by David or 106 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,919 someone in his family. I called multiple times with no answer and only an 107 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:01,200 outgoing message from a woman who didn't share David's first or lass name. So 108 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:07,759 I left a message and waited. About eight hours later, so I was 109 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:13,200 getting ready to leave for an out of country trip, the phone rang and 110 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:20,600 on the other end or sheep. I could only hear what sounded like two 111 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:28,639 dozen sheep bleeding into the phone. Hello. Finally a voice came through from 112 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:37,480 the other side. Is this Josh Yes? Is this David? Yes? 113 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:45,559 This is David. When I left my initial voice message for David, I 114 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,879 said that I was an investigative reporter looking into some unsolved murders and that David's 115 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,320 name had come up in my research that I hoped I could ask him some 116 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,799 questions. And when I finally got past the sheep to David, he wasn't 117 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:09,240 surprised by this at all. I told David that his name came up in 118 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,559 association with an address in a town called Constable, New York, and asked 119 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:20,720 if he knew anything about Constable. He told me quite casually that he and 120 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,679 his wife had lived in Constable for one month back in two thousand and three. 121 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:28,840 He went on to say that he heard from a friend that many years 122 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:33,320 back, the police were trying to get hold of him to ask him some 123 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,879 questions. Now, this is where it's important to tell you that David and 124 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,799 his wife are amish, that they only recently got a phone so they could 125 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,759 help sustain their business during the pandemic. So David only knew about the police 126 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:54,200 looking for him because his friend mailed him a letter along with some newspaper clippings 127 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,480 about Keys's arrest some years later. Yeah, I heard that guy killed some 128 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,799 people. I asked David if he could identify the house he lived in for 129 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:09,519 that month in two thousand three. He couldn't recall the address, but described 130 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,919 the house from memory. Two stories on quite a bit of land, reddish 131 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,559 brownish wood, sighting shake sighting, a mud room in the front of the 132 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,000 house, an old swing set on the property right by the Canadian border on 133 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:30,960 a dirt or gravel road. It was an accurate, albeit incomplete description of 134 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,759 Keyes's cabin. I asked if there was any way he could remember or find 135 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:41,919 the address, and he abruptly put me on hold. I sat there for 136 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:52,360 at least three minutes listening to the sheep. David returned with his wife, 137 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,240 who he told me had been chopping wood out back. He put me on 138 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:03,639 speaker phone and asked her if she could remember the address Poplar Street. She 139 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,440 said that the house was on Poplar Street, across the street from their friend 140 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:13,080 Will, the friend who sent them the letter in newspaper clippings. I asked 141 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,279 if they recalled there being any outbuildings on the property, and they said that 142 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,960 there were three, all to the west of the house, a woodshed, 143 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:28,600 a small barn, and a small garage. David said that the shed was 144 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,000 full of old blacksmithing tools, but the other buildings were empty when they moved 145 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,720 in, because that's where they eventually stored their buggy and their horse and cow. 146 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:45,519 And then he got a third building. Did you guys have animals there 147 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:50,240 at one point? Not like dogs and cats, but like animals and one 148 00:14:50,279 --> 00:15:05,320 of these straw and stuff. So I was completely confident at this point that 149 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,320 the house they lived in was keys. They had accurately described it, mentioned 150 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,639 the street by name, and could be linked to it in several background searches. 151 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,840 So I finally just asked, was it five eleven Poplar. David's wife 152 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:31,000 immediately confirmed that was it five eleven Poplar, and so instead of discussing how 153 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,600 and when David's identity was stolen, we began discussing how and when David and 154 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:48,919 his wife ended up living in a serial killer's cabin. David went on to 155 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,960 tell me that they rented the house for just the month of October in two 156 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,960 thousand and three. They found out about it from their Amish friend, the 157 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,320 one who lived across the street, who told them that the owner was looking 158 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,720 to rent the property or possibly even sell it, and that they initially looked 159 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,200 into buying it but never got a clear answer from the owner, so they 160 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:18,159 moved in on or round October first. He said, they never dealt directly 161 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,240 with Israel or any one really. Most of the logistics and specifics surrounding their 162 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:27,919 stay and move in were handled by their friend across the street. David could 163 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,639 only remember that they sent their rent check to a woman who lived somewhere in 164 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,399 New England, either Maine or Connecticut. His wife thought they moved out at 165 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,840 the end of October, after David couldn't find any local work, and that's 166 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:51,120 when David's wife chimed in. It was a very uneasy time, and then 167 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:56,600 they began to recount some of the unsettling experiences they had while living in the 168 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:03,960 house on Poplar Street. David's wife told me that she hated living in that 169 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,839 house. That in the month that they were there, there were multiple occasions 170 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,160 where their belongings would go missing, nothing big or valuable, small things like 171 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,839 an egg beater or a rolling pin, an apron, a pair of slippers. 172 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,799 There were also several occasions where it was clear that some one had used 173 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:29,640 a key to enter the house while they were away. They'd come back to 174 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,319 find empty beer bottles in the kitchen, but no sign of a break in. 175 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,960 Worst though, were the knights. Sometimes in the middle of the night, 176 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,720 they'd hear some one enter through the front door with a key and slowly 177 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:52,279 walk around the down stairs of the house, sometimes for minutes, sometimes for 178 00:17:52,400 --> 00:18:02,440 much longer, before eventully leaving and locking the door behind them. I asked 179 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,559 if they ever saw or confronted the person, and David said they were too 180 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:15,079 afraid. They just laid in their upstairs bed silent, listening to someone meander 181 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:23,359 about the house waiting for them to leap was part of the burglary, similar 182 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,319 to similar but different to what you talked about with the wood where you're sitting 183 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,440 there and you can watch people and they don't know you're watching them. Is 184 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,160 it similar in the burglar becase when you're in somebody's house you're going through their 185 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:40,240 stuff. Yeah, that same kind. So would it be would you would 186 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:41,519 you try to do it to where they would didn't even know what happened, 187 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,759 or make sure they knew it happened, like I mean breaking windows and breaking 188 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:49,799 doors to go in or get in somehow. And no, it depends. 189 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,480 It would depends on the situation. I guess more often than not there was 190 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:04,680 usually a lot of destruction, but sometimes I wouldn't. Sometimes it would just 191 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:12,960 right, you know. Sometimes I wouldn't take anything at all necessarily cause maybe 192 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,240 a few little things. So destruction like damage rather than destruction like looking for 193 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:22,759 cause a lot of burglars. You go into, all the drawers are open, 194 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,440 all those clothes are on the ground, everything's been destroyed, looking cause 195 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:38,640 I never did that, so destroy to destroy, Yeah, you'd like to 196 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,720 watch people did you ever wait in a house and watch people, or wait 197 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:49,920 and watch people come back to see what the reaction would be. I would 198 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 wait in the woods sometimes. I that was years and years ago, though, 199 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:02,240 not wait in the house to watch for him to come back. No, 200 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:11,319 not burglaries, that's getting onto other crimes. I'm guessing my that reaction. 201 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:18,039 That's Yeah Studio both and is sponsored by Betterhelp. 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That's Better Help h e lp dot com slash tcb. 218 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:44,519 David's departure from the house was complicated, and it complicates things for us 219 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:49,319 because while he and his wife moved out at the end of October, they 220 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:55,799 didn't immediately take their belongings. They waited until they found a more permanent residence 221 00:21:55,839 --> 00:22:00,920 before returning to the house and collecting all their stuff, and the couple could 222 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:08,480 not agree on when exactly that was. David was certain that they returned in 223 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,960 December of two thousand three, but his wife was sure it was the following 224 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:18,519 spring. She was pretty sure it was March. They bickered back and forth 225 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:26,680 about this for a while while the sheep continued bleating in the background, but 226 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,440 they did finally find one thing that they could agree on that might help. 227 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,440 When they returned to collect their stuff, there had been significant snowfall and the 228 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:44,480 driveway wasn't accessible. They had to hire someone to come plow that driveway so 229 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:48,440 they could pull in to load up all their stuff. And while all this 230 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:56,200 may seem relatively unimportant or pedantic, it's one of the most frustrating uncertainties so 231 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:03,119 far in my investigation. But more on that. David said that they took 232 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,000 all their belongings with them when they left, and that they left the house 233 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,839 clean and as they'd found it. His wife chimed in to tell me that 234 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,559 again more of their belongings had disappeared while they were away, and that again 235 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,839 someone had clearly spent some time inside the house. There were more beer bottles, 236 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,880 food wrappers, and other random paraphernalia, and this piqued my interest. 237 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:37,319 I asked if there were any newspapers there. Neither of them could recall, 238 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,440 but then David said that if there were, they likely would not have come 239 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,240 from them. He only remembered using the paper to look for work, and 240 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:49,680 that he was using the local Amish papers, and so I asked if he 241 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:56,200 ever used the local paper, the Malone Telegraph, and he again said he 242 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,720 pretty much only used the Amish papers. Then asked if there was any way 243 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,519 they would have stopped at a local newspaper stand to pick up newspapers to wrap 244 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:11,640 and pack items from their house for their move, and they both seemed genuinely 245 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:19,599 perplexed by this question, and that's when I finally relented. The reason I 246 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,400 ask, and this could be incredibly important, is that there were some newspapers 247 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,279 found in that house, an edition of the Malone Telegraph from early two thousand 248 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:36,160 and four that could place Israel Keys in New York State when the FBI timeline 249 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,480 has him somewhere else entirely. And in our research into Keys, we're quickly 250 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:47,240 learning that he would travel somewhere and then immediately travel significant distances, sometimes with 251 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,480 little to no detection whatsoever from that first destination. So while it seems unlikely, 252 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,119 it's becoming more and more possible that Keys could have been in New York 253 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:03,440 when the FBI thought he was new the West Coast. They were both silent 254 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:11,559 for what seemed like forever, and finally David just repeated, I don't think 255 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,880 I would have picked up any newspaper while we were out there, moving and 256 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,640 if I did, it would have been the Amish paper. David told me 257 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,079 to reach out any time I needed, and that they'd see if they could 258 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:32,000 find any more information about their time in Constable. I said I'd likely be 259 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:36,200 in touch in the next few weeks. I got together with the team and 260 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:41,640 compiled a list of follow up questions, and then I took a moment away 261 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,319 from the newspaper mystery to consider some other new mysteries. Was it Heidi who 262 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,319 was collecting rent on the house? Had the house been rented out since or 263 00:25:52,359 --> 00:26:00,759 before? And why would Keyes lie about having these tenants? Are people staying 264 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,200 there that you know? Is that what all this stuff is from? This? 265 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,799 Is it close up with that? But was that how it was when 266 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:14,599 you were Last time I was there, it looked like there had been hundreds 267 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:25,160 or campers hanging out there, cause there was there was a man person wanted 268 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,359 the sports too. It's not all of these pictures. It might be just 269 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,359 spot visit side here. There was a mattress in the kitchen area. You 270 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,839 know, while we were in the midst of our initial research into David, 271 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:44,839 we were simultaneously looking into this newspaper situation, which at the time, we 272 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,880 had no clue the two would, ever let alone so quickly converge. And 273 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:57,119 in that research I was making other calls, very different calls, very challenging 274 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,519 calls, calls about ethics and the lines that can often get blurry within the 275 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,440 close knit true crime community. And after talking with a few close friends, 276 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,079 including Haley Gray, who I consider one of the best resources in true crime 277 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,880 ethics, I knew what I had to do. I knew that I had 278 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:32,559 to make one more phone call because the date on those newspapers that aligned with 279 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:41,240 a missing person's case, and it impacted someone I know and care about. 280 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:51,039 Hi, Julie, Hey, Josh, Hey, how are you? I'm 281 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,039 good? Can you hear me? Okay, yeah, I can hear you? 282 00:27:52,119 --> 00:28:07,880 Great? God mees do write to Rideom. The savor odemons can't Gothy, 283 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:21,839 So got me some Moses to ridle to Radom. As long as you 284 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:45,319 own me, Keith's pufect pleased to. This episode was written, researched, 285 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:51,200 edited, and produced by me Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Kim Kay 286 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,240 and Jordan Taylor in consultation with Hailey Gray, Lady Hobbes, and Charlie Warrel. 287 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,359 It features Julie Murray. 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