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Now we're back to press your tim
bag with your host Chris Floodbeth. Thanks

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everybody, thank you so much.
Really excited. Here we are in the

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winner circle with Dan Vanderhanch. Dan, You've had an amazing evening. You

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have done a great job and you
have made it to the winner circle.

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Well, boy, I'm just glad
I could have made it this far.

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Never thought I would have made it
this far. Well, it is exciting.

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It's not easy. You are in
the elite circle and we have a

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loaded board for you. Let's take
a look at some of the prizes you'll

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be rolling for. Oka't white.
Well, We've got four different large money

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spots on the board and we know
that that is the golden ring we're all

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reaching for. We've also got smaller
cash prizes, vacation spots, and of

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course the explain the unexplored. There's
only one guy who can do it,

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and that's our announcer. He's the
only one that knows the prize and you're

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not gonna find that to you land
on it. Well, boys, your

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hope, I do. I know
everybody's wondering what's in that unexplored box.

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I think my family back home is
wondering themselves. I'd just like to take

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a minute to say hi to everybody
back home. I'd like to say hi

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to Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca,
Vanderhange, all the Vanderhanes. Yeah,

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that's right, Hi, Mom and
Dad, Hi everybody. All right,

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we've got so many prices on the
board. But of course, Danny,

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there's also that dug on demon up
there. Now. We've got him running

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him buck in the back of the
scenes. So I'm gonna need you to

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be extra nimble on that button.
All right, duck, dodge, dive,

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but avoid that demon. I think
I'll try. I think I'll try,

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Chris. I know all the Vanderhanges
back home or are pulling for me?

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Bet they are? Hi, Elijah, Hi, Mordecai, Hello,

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Ethel Hi. Are you sure they're
allowed to watch TVs? Because they Samnopoly

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off his TV? Huh? Oh
nothing, nothing, all right. We've

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got the board loaded, we got
those demons screaming, it's time to spin

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the wheel rolling on. Okay,
okay, here we go. No demons,

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no Damon's no damon stop seven hundred. That's gonna be fun. All

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right, Let's do it again.
Let's keep it going, keep it loose.

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Okay, no Damon's no damons,
no demons, no damon stop.

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Whoa. Let's say you've got one
of our prize package. What is it?

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It's a beautiful getaway spy weekend for
two at Alba's stores. Oh everyone

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comes out of that with a big
smile on their face. Boy, I

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can't wait to go in there with
just a talent on. Oh you'll be

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lucky if they let you keep that
tal on there. I've heard a lot

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of fun things about that place.
Huh, Okay, moving on, let's

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keep it rolling. It's time to
spend that leak all right. No demons,

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no damon's, no damon stop.
What it's time to explain? Oh,

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we finally find out what's behind that
pesky spat out of my way demon,

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because it's time to find out what
you want. Set ready, Danny,

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for we're gonna send you and two
loved ones on a trip a beautiful

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Comba where we're gonna roll you in
honey, dip you in gold, and

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run you through the streets of Bogatar, where you will end up at the

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beautiful five star resort and fool of
what a vino hotel? What hell that

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sounds amazing. What a crazy adventure
you're gonna have in plubdia me and two

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others. Huh, you'll be third
wheeling it in style. But boy,

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I'll tell you what the last I
heard, the streets of Bogata are not

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a place to be running and dipped
in gold. You should really hustle.

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You might want to train for that. Huh. All right, let's keep

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it going, Let's keep these prizes
flow and hit it again. All right.

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No damon, no damon, no, damon star Oh, this guy

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really knows how to live on the
weekends. He's got the e VP prize

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pack that comes to the PK E
meter, electromagnetic dissonance meter and pocket tape

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recorder. That's why you're gonna make
your own ghost stories, all right,

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it sounds great. Yeah, that's
gonna be exciting and terrifying. Places that

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you used to feel calm will now
fill you with a sense of dread.

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Well, that'll be fun for my
youngest Danny Vanderhans Junior. Oh, Danny

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Junior, I'd just like to take
a quick moment to say hello to my

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newest grandson, Boston Vanderhanes Hi,
Boston Henna Day I can't support a children

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named after cities. All Right,
the choice is yours. Now you've spun

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the wheel, You've made it through
your mandatory spins. Now here's the big

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call. Do you want to keep
going for the glory or give up like

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a baby? What happens if I
give up? Do I keep everything?

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You keep everything you've got, but
you don't have that feeling of accomplishment.

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And if I keep going, I
have a chance at the large monies.

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Of course you do. You also
have a chance to lose it all to

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that besky demon. I know he's
been eyeballing you. Well, I tell

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you what. I'm trying to save
up money from a kid's college education.

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So I think I'm just going to
go ahead and press my debick. All

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right, let's press that Davic.
Let's see what we can do. We

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gotta get some money for Tanner,
Wilhelm, Denver, San Mateo, and

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Seattle, your your other kids,
right kidding, Let's go ahead and spin

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it, all right. No,
Damon's no, Damon's no damon stuff.

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Oh it looks like you buck the
odds and that David always gets you in

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the end. Oh, look at
him. Oh there's a little animation of

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him chewing on your joy. Do
I get to keep any of that?

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Not a bit, not all,
not even a single thing, just your

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memories of a really fun day here
on press yo jube. Huh. We

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have pressed our tim We really did. Oh the poor fander hands plan.

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I think they'll be okay. Yeah, no one feels bad for the Dutch.

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Hello, oh everybody, I'm David
Flora. I am Dave's teco.

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I see how I created dramatic tension. You did? You did a pinter

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pause. Uh, this is glory
photos. Yeah, and uh and you

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have you have pressed your divic and
maybe a bit too far. Yeah.

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Yeah, because you've landed on the
uh twice, the annual par Sect Finalist

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podcast for speculative awesomeness. That's right, that's right. Uh got a good

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show for you. Oh yeah,
this is a great one. This is

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one. Uh. This is a
show that we have honestly been meaning to

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do since before we started doing the
podcast. It is on our initial list

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of ten things we wanted to cover, that's right. Uh, And then

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we got then we got like,
we found so many other things that we

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like to cover that we never got
around to it. And uh, and

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now we are making good on the
promise. That's right us to you.

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We are like hometown boys. Is
that how it goes? We're like steeltown

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girls on a Saturday night looking for
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that's how I've always felt. Well, um, oh, I see what

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you mean. Not not gonna be
on the same page this is you want

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to be local boy makes good?
Is it? Local boy? Hey?

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We're gonna be like insert idiom here
with this episode? That was real worth

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it you guys? Yeah, talking
about Edgar Casey's right, the Kentucky madman.

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Uh I carrot we have been dangling
for Yeah, So as we start

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here, we're gonna tell you who
Edgar Casey was, what did he do,

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what were some of his readings,
and what if he kicked you in

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the ding ding? And and then
we're we're just we're going to discuss his

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impact on the New Age movement and
some criticisms of his abilities. And yeah,

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this guy is a profoundly effective person. I mean like, this guy

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had a profound effect on a lot
of New Age philosophy. But he's not

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a person that the average person knows
about. If you're if you're into weird

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ship and you are. Then lots
of people have heard this guy's name one

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place or another. But to the
average rank and filer, I think.

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I think a lot of people are
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playlist. Yeah, and they'll be
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old vanderhand. Well, you totally
vanderhand that one guys. Um Flora stopped

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giving everybody the vanderhand. I can't
believe you put a GM or a J.

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It's a j. It's a solid
jal, a real solid j um.

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I think that if if you were
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have caught a sniff of this guy. So also may have cut dysentery.

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Sorry but yeah so uh. Edgar
Casey big D the German space Caraman,

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the space case Edgar Casey born eighteen
seventy seven died nineteen forty five in your

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home state of cam Entucky. That's
true. He was a canned Turkeean.

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Edgar Casey was an alleged American psychic
who claimed to have the ability to answer

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questions via channeling while in a self
induced trance. What makes him unique was

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his worldly knowledge which was displayed only
while in a trance, and his ability

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to seemingly diagnose health problems and prescribe
cures while himself never having any formal medical

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training. Yeah, that was That
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as we've already discussed the podcast,
the popularity the cult was, the

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occult was well established. There was
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This was This is a really well
who will who she'll come back up

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today. The concept of saying no, I'm not the person telling you this.

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I like, the separation of it
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really interesting because, um, it
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disarms people. It takes a little
bit of that showman out, like,

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oh no, I'm the one with
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had a much more a lot more
humility about his approach to it. She

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said, no, no, no, I don't know anything. You gotta

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knock me out. Get in there. That's where it is. But don't

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ask Edgar. Yeah, Edgar can't
help you. Edgar. Edgar left school

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in the ninth grade and really couldn't
hold a job, which is true.

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The evidence for his powers comes in
testimonials and anecdotes from his readings for people.

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Over his life lifetime, he performed
more than twenty thousand readings, consisting

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of everything from medical diagnoses to Atlantis
and Jesus and horse racing Yeah, stock

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tips. Oh. He was offered
money to give daily crop reports on cotton

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turn out some money, turned it
down. Actually, um, and well,

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I don't don't know what I'm gonna
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I don't want to get there yet. Sure, um, okay,

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now I want to get them.
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of how he would conduct his readings, he became known as the Sleeping Prophet.

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He would lie on a couch,
loosen his shoelaces, and if he

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had to tie on, he'd loosen
his tie. If he had pants on,

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which was rarely, he'd loosen those. He'd put his hands and his

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pants. He'd put his hands on
his face, he said, until he

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saw a white flash in I guess
his mind's eye, and then he would

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clasp his hands across his abdomen,
close his eyes, and when his eyes

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began to flicker, a question could
be asked and Casey would answer it.

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Eventually, he got a stenographer to
jot down each reading and preserve around fourteen

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thousand of them. Yeah, there
is an extraordinarily detailed record of his each

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and every reading. After the stenographer, Yeah, it's okay, give or

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takes six thousand, right, And
he would end every reading by saying we

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are through. More on that later, Yeah, he would. He would

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only speak in that third person plural
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plural. Yeah, we instead of
I think this, I think that we

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see this. They. He founded
the Association for Research and Enlightenment the ARE

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in nineteen thirty one, a nonprofit
center devoted to exploring spirituality to holistic health,

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intuition, dream interpretation, psychic development, reincarnation, and ancient mysteries.

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And had a big tieches is that
who they are? Yeah, that's that's

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what I just said. What are
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VANDOR its headquarters is located in Virginia
Beach, Virginia, with a regional headquarters

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in Houston, Texas. He died
in Virginia Beach. He had a stroke.

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Yeah. I contribute to this podcast
in material fashion with the real researched

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facts. You can find more on
the A R E. At Edgar Casey

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dot org or dot com or dot
net. There's like a thousand, bazillion

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trillion Edgar Casey web pages. You
can have them all. That's right,

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Pokemon, this is this is another
one of the subjects. There's a lot

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of him out there. Yeah,
a lot of a lot of research you

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can do on your own. We've
tried. We're gonna try to boil down

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in a lot of stuff into a
tiny, tiny podcast that's going to end

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up being too long, but uh, you can that. You cannot go

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wrong typing in Edgar Casey on the
interweb and looking at information. Yeah,

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that'll, like we said, a
lot of it was documented. Yeah,

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and that's that's the really nice thing
about this is that he his perspective was

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that he was almost just as mystified
as anybody else by it. You know,

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he was again given this this I
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it, which but that makes it
sound like some sort of psychological diagnosis.

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But because Edgar Casey was was separated
from this font of knowledge, he was

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just as curious as other people.
And there's plint there's all these really fun

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examples of him coming out of the
trance and the person being like, oh,

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you did this, and he's like
no, yeah, and they'd be

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like, could you read that back
please? Because I know he doesn't.

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There's no memory of those things.
And so there was a really kind of

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refreshing humility to it that I thought
was interesting that he brought throughout all the

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proceedings and his motivations and how he
perceived his use of his gift. Right,

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right, let's talk about his life
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into the readings themselves. I'm sorry
about it that I spoiled her. I

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spoiled her? Did it? That
he's dead? Spoiled her? Did it?

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Well? I gave the older,
I gave the death day spoiler?

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Did it? He's dead. He
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seven near Beverly Yawn heard it Welcome
to Blurry Photos Now with just David,

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Florida, which was seven miles south
of Hopkinsville. He was born to a

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family of farmers and was very close
to his grandfather, but when he was

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still a boy, his grandfather died
in a riding accident. You say,

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riding or rioting riding horse got him
less interesting? A horse riot horses were

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tired of pulling them browse, but
Edgar. Edgar claimed to still see him

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from time to time around the farm. He would also claim to see children

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playing in the trees and near the
creek on the farm, and he was

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able to converse with them for a
while, but then they went away,

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like they all do. He considered
the mangels because the family was very religious,

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Disciples of Christ, to be precise, how nice which is which is

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funny? I like, as I
was reading that, I expected him to

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maybe be brought up in one of
the more colorful dialects of the Christian tongue.

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But the Disciples of Christ are pretty
pretty middle of the road, button

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down Protestant folk. Yeah, pay
their taxes, do the thing. No

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one's handling snakes, no one's yeah, no one's doing laughs for Jesus.

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He was considered weird in school,
not a popular child, no wonder what

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that's like. Apparently not very intelligent
either, and his father scolded him for

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it, making him study at home
late into the nights. And it was

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around then he said that he heard
a voice in his head telling him to

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place the book he was studying under
his head and sleep on it to learn

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it, and so we did,
and next morning he could recite the book

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verbatim. And then school was no
trouble from then on, and he received

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a completed eighth grade education, a
little ninth grading grade grading. So he

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I read that he had completed the
ninth grade. Well maybe maybe maybe.

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I mean, they're all the same
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at the you know, like and
that's it's an important point that like ninth

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grade is the old twelfth grade.
I mean, I think I think at

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the time, a lot of people
finished junior high and we're like, well

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what am I? What am I
going to launch myself into space? Good

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enough? Yeah, it's time to
get to work. I'm I'm fifteen,

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I've already got two kids. Yeah, yeah, I mean his family were

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farmers and that's all you needed.
Like, yeah, any up to that

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point, like getting that far was
good, you know, so yeah,

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anything after that was overkill for what
for what they were doing. But and

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to add to that, I mean, like we said, disciple of Christ.

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He was a devout Christian decided it
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minister and spread Christianity to all,
and he decided to read the Bible once

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a year every year at this time, whole thing. That's I mean,

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if you give yourself a year to
do it, it's not that big a

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deal. But if you do it
every year every year. Yeah, not

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like that. That three hundred and
sixty five day Bible calendar, No doesn't

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count. That is an account that'll
get you up to psalms And then what

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are you gonna do? It's not
like a good ziggy where you want to

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look ahead. It's like two weeks
of of omanyah big at darren Ecles who

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we got Farnsworth who began the clan
banderage, who we got cash and prizes

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and then lost at all? Yeah? So so how did how did his

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ministerial endeavors pay? Did you do
all right with that? Well? Um?

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In eighteen ninety three, the Casey
family moved to Hopkinsville, to a

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berg city. M Casey got a
job at Richard's dry goods store. Richard's

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Dry for a store, Richard Dry
a store here? Do you need sorghum?

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How about Lennon's? Do you need
more cloth? Flower? Other dry

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goods? Here? Empty barrels,
tamfana h of course you're gonna want taffana.

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No, we don't have hats.
That's the milliner. It's springtime,

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so Gangham's half off. Make a
party dress or a tablecloth. I don't

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care, damn it. We have
licorice, Richard dry Fuss here, Richard's

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dry Goods store, then dry Fuss, then then Hopper's Bookstore, both both

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in town in the middle of town. He also eventually met his future wife

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at Gertrude Evans around this time.
Oh man, did you did you do

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the math on the dates there?
Did you? Yeah? What is it?

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It is that they are the most
glacial of couples. They got engaged

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and did not get married for over
six years. Yeah, and then then

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it was still like another three or
four years before child numero unoic has to

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show up on the scene. Yeah. I don't know. I know we're

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married. I just think we should
wait till our third anniversary. I don't

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want to rush anything. You do
a good Edgar case. No, No,

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I think I'm going to go down
to Richard's drafta store and get some

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licorice. I think I'll treat myself. I don't know. Hanky panky tonight,

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Gertrude. It's really, it's really
it's getting kind of late in the

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day. It's it might be close
to closing time. And you know how

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angry he gets if you're coming close
to close you. Oh, come on,

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I ten to Star customers. Richard's
Drive for Stars closing in ten minute.

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I'll let you in if you could
tell me what you want right now.

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Bring your purchases to the register already. Don't chop Jesus, we don't

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care who we hurt now. In
nineteen hundred, he and his father started

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an insurance business, but he took
ill with laryngitis. Yeah, were point

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selling Woodsman's insurance? Was that to
protect against Woodsman I hope? So you

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never know how many ins can come
at you. He can swarm you.

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You gotta be careful. Come out
of nowhere ins ants insurance. Oh nice.

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And he got laryngitis to the point
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And when I read that, it
was like, oh, okay,

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I mean that's like, that's like
laryngitis. What that's like? Oh he

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got a sprained ankle and couldn't go
door to door And you're like, oh,

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well, so what did he do
the next week when he was okay

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again. No, No, he
got a permanently sprained laryngitis yep. Unable

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to sell his ins insurance, he
uh started photography business. Yeah, so

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let I don't want to gloss over
this. He never got his voice back,

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No, it was gone. He
became I mean he could speak a

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little bit, I guess, but
functionally mute, got real depressed, stayed

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at his parents house all the time, and was like, well, I've

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got to do something about how about
that picture box? Yeah, let me

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work in a dark room. Yeah, Boma Sylph. In nineteen o one,

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he was contacted by a traveling hypnotist
to cure him. Did you see

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this to read about? I did? Indeed on stage Casey's voice returned when

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he was under hypnosis, but then
it went away when he came out of

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the hypnosis. So the hypnotist wanted
to help him, but he was a

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traveling him. Yeah, it's like, I'm sorry, Edgar, I've got

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to go. You knew what this
was and sleep, Yeah, but a

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local hypnotist, do you wake up? Your heart won't be broken. But

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a local hypnotist, because they were
a dime a dozen, that's the thing.

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Well, where's where's my hypnotist?
Then, where's there a fucking hypnotist

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these days? Even like you can't
even find a hypnotist now, and they're

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like, this is before TV,
man, we have a hypnotist and it

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is it's called Netflix. Oh my
god, you just broke the code.

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Arboritorialist for the month Netflix, Americans
hypnotist. Now, before you wake up

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from this podcast, buy my water
filter and awake. But yes, this

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local hypnotist named al Lane decided decided
to help, and while in a trance,

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he asked Casey. While while Edgar
Casey was in a trance, he

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asked Edgar to describe what was wrong, and Casey spoke about it, saying,

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we requ why are the blood of
the innocent and feed us we may

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grow strong and take leadership of this
mortal plane. That's basically it. He

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said he needed blood to flow to
his voice box. He was he did

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it. The hypnotist was just like, okay, make blood flow to your

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voice box, and apparently his body
just flushed with blood and then after about

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twenty minutes he woke up and his
voice was back, and after a few

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more sessions of that, he was
permanently cured. Yeah, I guess there

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was a couple of relapses here or
there. But working with Lane, he

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continued to read this way while under
trance and was persuaded to offer readings to

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the public. Casey insisted though,
that they these readings be free, as

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his goal was to help others.
Yeah. At no point had Casey given

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up on his plan to proselytize is. He had not abandoned anything Christian.

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He he was a very civic minded, nice guy who considered himself to be

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the servant of God. Around the
time that he met Gertrude, he started

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second second guessing himself. Well that's
because she was second guessing things for a

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long time too. Boy, I
don't I don't know, Gertrude. I

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just think I might still have a
chance to be a minister. I don't

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know. I better go down to
Richard's dry store and get more lacorician just

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thank on it. I'm very concerned
about the amount of time you're spending with

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him. Well, Well, what
are you talking about, Gertrude. He's

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the only You're the only one he
doesn't yell at. You're the only one

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he's excited to see me. Closing
time, rich Richard's Dreyfus and I just

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get along. We just we just
get along. I know how I know

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he Edgar. I just I can't
take this. I'm going, I'm going

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to town, Edgar, coming to
store. Lock the door behind you.

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You'll never guess what kind of day
I hear. Oh my gosh, Richard

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oh Man didn't expect him so Casey. Casey found that he could give apparently

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accurate readings with with just a person's
name and location and not even have him

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present. Don't eat him, don't
eat him cerebro U nineteen twelve. By

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this time, the dream of being
a minister all but gone. Yeah,

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he decidedly declared that he was his
own god and that the kingdom of man

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should serve only him. He decided
that this was his calling, to be

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able to help people. Yeah and
uh, and he was getting getting used

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to breaking these shoes. In sou
nineteen twelve, he left Kentucky and moved

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to Selma, Alabama, to work
as a photographer. Yeah, whenever,

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whenever you want to make the big
time, you had to kick off that

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Kentucky shiels and get yourself to Selma
where things are happening. A little in

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fact Western Kentucky University home of these
shilltoppers before they decided you know what we

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want to read mascot Nanna brown One
just kidding. After he moved down there,

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his fame grew, and soon he
began reading full time, asking only

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for donations to help his family live
on. His wife and eldest son took

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over for al Lane to guide the
readings, and he also created Apparently around

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this time, he created the card
game Pit to help get some money for

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the family. Yeah, that I've
seen that, I have it. Yeah,

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that had no idea. That thing
still exists, still exists, still

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still comes out. I mean people
own it. I don't don't know that

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I've ever seen abody to play it. No, I used to play a

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commodities trading. Well, it's it's
it's based on stock monardy stock stock market

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commodity trading. But it's like a
fast paced card game. I don't.

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I mean, I've seen cattle cattle
cornered the market. I don't know.

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Does anybody have any sorghum cards?
No, Richard, for the last time,

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I keep getting all the sorghum cards. Richard, you've cornered the market.

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You you're about to win. It
doesn't feel like it. He hired

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a stenographer, Gladys Davis, to
record the readings then, yeah, and

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that was her job until she exploded. That's true. Yeah. In nineteen

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twenty five, he was told in
a trance to move to Virginia Beach,

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Virginia. So we did, right. Sometimes he read himself sometimes, no

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judgment. It's got a lot of
stress on him. You gotta read yourself

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sometimes. He was considered a professional
psychic by then, and in nineteen twenty

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nine he established the Casey Hospital with
funding from a reading recipient named Morton Blumenthal

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because keeping keep in mind that he
had in addition to prognostication and people want

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to know what was gonna happen in
the future. He was also very dedicated

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to the idea that you could through
hypnosis heal people, that what worked for

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him can work for other people.
And he was very, very passionate about

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the idea of medical hypnosis, of
being able to help have people heal themselves

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the same way someone helped him.
And so this, uh, this this

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kind of medical bend to his his
I don't know ability, yeah, tiny

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empire his his you know, So
there's you know, there's Yeah, y'all,

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I'll tell you what's going to happen
in the future. But what's really

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important is the helping in the healing
of the sick helping, and the heat

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helping and the healing in the high
night. Even so, I think that's

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a cool thing that I think it's
lost in the wash a lot is that

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he really still had this this really
big push for oh yeah, for using

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it to help people. Yeah,
Uncle Ben would have been proud of him.

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I think yea and Morton Morton Blumenthal
made a lot of money with readings

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from Casey. Yeah, apparently he
cashed in on that. Yeah, it's

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a good thing. There's never any
giant looming stock market event for Casey to

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warn him about that may have made
any difference in his life. But then

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there was a giant looming stock market
event that ruined everything for oh Morton poops.

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After the crash, the funding was
was withdrawn and the hospital closed.

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So, I mean, according to
this it's was in existence for less than

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a year and his whole life,
that's all he wanted to do, was

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Yeah, Well, after he wanted
to be a minister, he wanted to

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build a hospital to help people for
my whole life, starting ten weeks ago.

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I've wanted this. In nineteen thirty
one, Casey founded the ARE,

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the Association for Research and Enlightenment,
and continued work there until he suffered a

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stroke and died on January third,
nineteen forty five, age sixty seven.

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Now he was doing coke. He
was doing Richard Driver. Richard Driver as

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his ass you're tackling me. Uh
no, he wait, wait, wait,

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no, I'm not done with this. Wait, don't you dare?

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What's a drive for snorts? Sound
like, oh god, that's a good

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Richard Driver as coke snort. He
was actually warned of his own impending death

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again. Yeah, it was nineteen
forty five, and he he had been

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famous as not only a psychic but
something of a medium for a very long

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time, and as the war progressed, he was asked by more and more

404
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:15.440
people just desperate foreclosure. Um,
but they're they're they're lost, you know,

405
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.559
family members, their children, their
you know, their husbands that had

406
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.000
died overseas in World War two.
And so he so he started doing up

407
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:27.119
to four readings a day, and
these readings that would always exhaust him.

408
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.759
But he was like, no,
I these people really need this, I'm

409
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:37.440
gonna do it. And in one
of his trances he was even told,

410
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.960
Okay, you have to stop doing
this. He's like you can't. He's

411
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.359
like, you can do two a
day. That's it. That's the limit.

412
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.720
And he was all like, shut
up, you I'm in charge of

413
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.920
this. And then he had a
stroke. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

414
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.920
it. Because, like we said, he the person didn't need to be

415
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.640
there. They just needed to give
the name in a location and then a

416
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.000
question for him to be asked.
And as his fame grew, so too

417
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.599
did the number of requests. So
he was getting thousands of requests and he

418
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.760
could not keep up with them.
And uh yeah, and and and yet

419
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.400
he still wanted to help them.
He still wanted to do, you know,

420
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.599
his best. So, which kind
of gets into an interesting question.

421
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.119
You know so and obviously we'll go
into depth on this, but Edgar Casey,

422
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:29.320
guy who believes he has a gift, guy who actually has a gift

423
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:36.400
shuckster. Yeah, that's that's that's
the ultimate question there, Chris um.

424
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.239
Oh, well, then we're at
the end of the podcast. Uh punch

425
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.719
puns, Pounds, Listener Mail,
listener mail, stumble Upon, good night

426
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.440
before before we continue, I just
I'd like to say, uh, he

427
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:52.119
was buried back in Hopkinsville. Oh, returned to his old Kentucky. Oh

428
00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:00.239
what back in that old spiel mud. I don't dislike Kentucky. Yeah,

429
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.719
I feel bad because it's your state. But I was just joking because he

430
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.440
went to Selma. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

431
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.159
let's get into the readings a little
bit. Let's get into some juice.

432
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.800
Yeah, I love the juice.
Casey was always concerned with helping people.

433
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.880
I think we've made that clear.
Ye. While he claimed to not remember

434
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.599
a word of what was said in
trance, he said those statements should be

435
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:28.239
taken into account only to the extent
that they led to a better life for

436
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.920
the recipient. And he also wanted
people to not blindly accept his suggestions,

437
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.519
but to test them. I know
that he also really struggled with this.

438
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.079
He really hated what he considered to
be kind of a squandering of the gift

439
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.960
or using it. People would ask
him about horse races, stock tips,

440
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.440
a lot of numbers, you know, like little location of oil wells.

441
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:57.039
Yeah, oil wells treasure anything for
their personal gain. And not only did

442
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.119
he dislike doing this, but occasionally
he'd be like fine, but he actually

443
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.440
was not good at it. Yeah, not good at it. But on

444
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:09.360
certain occasions he was to people's profit, to their personal gain. But I

445
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.679
mean on the statistical average, he
really didn't beat guessing right, right.

446
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.880
But the funny thing is it said
that after he gave those he would wake

447
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:25.599
up with a massive migraine and be
ill. And so his wife eventually helped

448
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.360
put a stop to it when when
she took over guiding the readings. So

449
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.719
knock at all, Yeah, because
people, I think people, the people

450
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.000
that did show up in person would
get there and then get to ask.

451
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.480
This is back in the early days
when they were still figuring out how how

452
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.440
to do it. But they'd get
there and then they'd be like, oh,

453
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:46.960
yeah, that question I was going
to ask. Yeah, forget that.

454
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.239
Who's gonna win the Kentucky Derby?
Right? Yeah? Yankees versus has

455
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.679
Red Sox White Sox in the world
series. Are they gonna throw it?

456
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.400
Yeah? No doubt, not a
chance. Bet on him, especially that

457
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:06.440
guy with no shoes. I'm gonna
go through a few of the readings,

458
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.760
and he gave uncertaining to read those
readings, just just some highlights. Will

459
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:21.679
this be a reading of readings,
This will be a poem on World War

460
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.000
One and World War Two, he
said. In the nineteen twenties he first

461
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.159
warned of coming racial strife in the
United States, and in nineteen thirty nine

462
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:35.400
he predicted the deaths of two presidents
in office. Now I'm quoting, ye

463
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.800
are to have turmoils, Ye are
to have strife between capital and labor.

464
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.800
Ye are to have a division in
thy own land before ye have the second

465
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:50.280
of the presidents that next will not
live through his office a mob rule end

466
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:55.519
quote. President Franklin D. Roosevelt
died in office. That these stands for

467
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:04.079
Della No. Ninety nineteen sixty three. JFK was assassinated when racial tensions in

468
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.679
the United States were at their height. Another quote from him. Unless there

469
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.960
is more give and take and consideration
for those who produce, with better division

470
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.079
of the excess profits from the labor, there must be greater turmoil in the

471
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:22.960
land. Sounds like obomb or quote, yeah, I mean you gotta be

472
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.440
psychic to say that. No,
I know, that's one of those things.

473
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:31.599
And then one more. Thus,
an unseen force gradually growing must result

474
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:37.679
in almost direct opposition to the Nazi
or Aryan theme, this will gradually produce

475
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.800
a growth of animosities. And unless
there's interference by what many call supernatural forces

476
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.920
and influences which are active in the
affairs of nations and peoples, the whole

477
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:51.480
world, as it were, will
be set on fire by militaristic groups and

478
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:57.519
people who are for power expansion.
That was him speaking of Austrians and Germans

479
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:02.159
and Japanese. So that was that
was what he said about the world wars

480
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:09.639
on general cures which he liked.
To his medical cures. His readings typically

481
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:17.679
prescribed poultices, often consisting of castor
oil, but there were osteopathic adjustments,

482
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:27.599
calonic irrigation, massage often with peanut
oil, prayer, folk remedies, various

483
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:35.440
forms of electric medicine, and patent
medicines such as automidine automidine full of the

484
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:42.199
hop he was developed by an Indian
doctor at the day of the day,

485
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:47.880
and specific recommendations concerning diet and exercise
were given. Casey is often seen as

486
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:55.920
a practitioner of holistic medicine and has
particularly strong philosophical ties with naturopathy and and

487
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.440
this is keep in mind a lot
of these things. The idea of like

488
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.679
holistic medicine and healing in that nature
really originates with him. This did not

489
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:12.519
exist prior to Edgar Casey. I
mean besides being like folk remedies or old

490
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.480
old wives tales, things like that, you know, chicken soup for the

491
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:23.679
soul kind of stuff on diet.
Moreover, major dietary recommendations include the avoidance

492
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:30.000
of red meat, alcohol, lame
except where red wine, lame, white

493
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:36.960
bread, and fried foods, a
preference for fruits and above ground leafy vegetables

494
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:43.559
over starches, and a high ratio
eighty percent more of alkaline foods over acidic.

495
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:51.199
One meal per day should consist entirely
of raw vegetables under strict circumstances.

496
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:57.000
Casey advocated both coffee and pure tobacco
cigarettes to be non harmful to health,

497
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:06.559
especially these Chester fields. Um,
so he was not an American at all.

498
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.360
He just he just said coffee and
cigarettes were good. Yeah. I

499
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:15.480
think he's also said no white bread, no red meat, no something else

500
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.480
that pissed me off. The other's
true, no alcohol, that's what it

501
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:24.480
was. Okay, I see your
point. Yeah, so he's a fringe.

502
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:31.280
Yeah. Food combining was also a
central idea in the Casey diet.

503
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:38.840
According to Casey, several food chocolate
butter. Several food combinations that are contradicted

504
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:46.800
are coffee with milk or sugar.
This guy citrus fruit with starchy foods and

505
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:53.199
high protein foods with starches steaking badatas, dude, I'm gonna this guy.

506
00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.400
Casey himself followed very few of the
dietary recommendations that were suggested by the readings.

507
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.800
Yeah good, and he's all like, shut up brain. Papa likes

508
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.880
a steak and a tater. Papa
wants a drink on now and later.

509
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:17.559
No, I'm putting citrus on a
starches. Yeah, lemonade, potatoes Mmmm.

510
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.679
According to Casey, two or three
almonds a day. Keep cancer away.

511
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:28.360
You're gonna need that because of your
chester Fields and not these pure tobacco

512
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:34.519
chester Fields. That's all right,
fresh from the storehouses of Kentucky Chesterfield.

513
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.639
Smoke them. You. You know. I don't want to digress too far

514
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:44.199
here, but I got stuck in
Kentucky for three days once. Did we

515
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.400
ever talk about this? Yeah?
Okay, do you know where Glasgow is?

516
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.880
Glasgow? Yeah? Yeah, I
got stuck there for three days.

517
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.159
It's near Bowling Green. Yes,
it is. I stopped in Bowling Green's

518
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.880
one of my favorite places when driving
through Kentucky, Bowling Green, home of

519
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:06.519
the Western Kentucky universe, the Heeltopeltoppers. Um, and uh. When I

520
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.199
was there, I mean, first
of all, I didn't realize that I

521
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.599
was in the middle of tobacco country. So there's tobacco countries curing sheds everywhere.

522
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:22.159
And how ludicrously cheap cigarettes are.
Pretty much a lot of stuff is

523
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.719
ludicrously cheap compared to where we are
now. Well, all I'm saying is

524
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.119
we need to become Um, I
mean, is it or is it?

525
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.800
What is it? When we just
buy a bunch of cigarettes there and sell

526
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.920
them here in a markup? It's
it's called illegal bootleggers. Yeah, because

527
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:45.000
they actually stamp cigarette packets with where
they're made. Yeah, so that you

528
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.320
can't cross the border and legally sell
them. So Kentucky has its own colored

529
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.039
stamp, Illinois has its own colored
stamp. We care about that. I

530
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.559
know, smokers don't care about that. No one cares about No one cares

531
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.320
about that. You can sell them
on the street and make you know,

532
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.679
five bucks a pop. Probably,
Wow, that's true. Yeah, I

533
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.199
quit my job. I am now
a cigarette bootlegger untill the feds good.

534
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:08.880
That's right, you know, that's
actually a thing. I've seen ads on

535
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.960
buses. They're like nice smokers.
Um, ignore the Surgeon General's warning,

536
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.519
but check the stamps on the bottom, because we're really good. We're really

537
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.199
concerned that we're losing out on tobacco
tax revenue. Is that is that,

538
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:29.159
spokesman Danny vander hand Fencer. Of
all the things that they could be spending

539
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:34.400
bus ad money for, it's making
sure that your tobacco is properly taxed.

540
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.960
Yeah, Glasgow Scottie's it's a it's
a funny area. It's it's very Scottish

541
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.920
down in there for some reason.
Are you serious? Oh yeah, Glasgow

542
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.719
Scottie's is the I used to have
a shirt that had like I think I

543
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.880
got it at a good will store. It was it was just a Glasgow

544
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.599
Scottie's had two two like Scottish children
holding hands on it and it was like

545
00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:00.639
Glasgow Scottie's Elementary school. What's the
name of the grocery store there? All

546
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.679
right? I don't know, you
don't because I remember it, but I

547
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.800
remember going in there. Krogers.
It wasn't. No, No, it

548
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:12.400
was liked Durlin Pickens or something like
it was. I was picked up on

549
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.440
the side of the road by a
guy named Elvis. That's the truth.

550
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.880
I'm sure it is. I'm sure
he sounded. It's just like him too.

551
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.280
He did not he was all ready
to pick up there. No,

552
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.119
he did not. He did And
you're like, oh yeah, here's here's

553
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.719
twenty bucks. Thanks, thanks for
your your hospitality. All thanks, stop

554
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:37.920
with this rostop. I gotta I
gotta take her some business tcby brother.

555
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.679
All right, let's get back on
trapped. You want to, But I

556
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:50.719
got a whole cooler minor gotter lock
all right. On Egypt, little little

557
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.039
nugget on Egypt. Next to Biblical
times, the most significant era for the

558
00:45:54.199 --> 00:46:01.400
Life Readings was a pre Dynastic Egyptian
civilization consisting of Atlantean refugees. Oh yeah,

559
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.519
this guy was all about Atlantis.
Casey purported to have been an other

560
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:14.280
otherwise unknown pharaoh named Rata who built
a spiritually based healing center called the Temple

561
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:22.320
of Sacrifice Jesus and educational institution called
Temple Beautiful Temple Beautiful Joe. Two blocks

562
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:37.039
down from the Temple sacrifice. Oh
damn it, guys, that really hurts

563
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.960
this. This civilization also built monuments
on the Giza Plateau, including the Great

564
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:53.519
Pyramid, and left records of Atlantis
in a hall of records located somewhere beneath

565
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:59.000
the sphinx. Oh, there's no
way to ever find that, not with

566
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:06.880
Zahi Hawash and oh yeah, oh
mama, look into it. That's right,

567
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.239
let's talk about Atlantis. He gave
some readings on Atlantis. The size

568
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.840
of Atlantis equaled to that of Europe, including Asia in Europe, the bands,

569
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:24.280
the bands Asia Europe, Toto just
to cover Africa and Mint at work.

570
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:37.440
Come on, what he made it
sound like? The guys that meant

571
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:47.039
at work, we're all deaf.
Yeah. Apparently many people living today,

572
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:55.000
I guess maybe maybe that's his today
are the reincarnations of Atlantean souls, Thetans

573
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.760
who must now face similar in temptations
as before. They got a little too

574
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.239
greedy, they dug too deep with
their crystals day they did, and you

575
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.639
know, and it's funny. He
actually yeah, he goes really goes to

576
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:10.519
town on the science and reasoning in
science with the biggest, fattest play school.

577
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:19.719
My first air quote set um um
that uh that there was the society

578
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:24.159
based on like crystals that would harness
solar energy and then they were cristalls.

579
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:31.960
They were, but they two weeks
we can order it. It'll take two

580
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:37.159
weeks. So I mean, you
don't have dapper Dan please in rooms.

581
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.320
Half the reason about it ain't this
just a geographic two weeks from airwhere two

582
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:47.360
weeks um that the uh that that
they they their overreliance on this crystal technology.

583
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:53.159
There was a problem with harmonic frequencies
and the whole thing just went to

584
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:59.559
shi. Although there's also references of
a death ray being used, um almost

585
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.920
there um. He predicted that a
blue stone of Atlantean origin was going to

586
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.880
be found on that on an island
in the Caribbean and used to heal,

587
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.320
which some people say might be uh
Laramar, which I looked up. It

588
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:22.039
is a very pretty turquoise blue stone
that's only found I think in the Dominican

589
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:28.000
Republic. I wonder, I mean
buy some. I mean, if if

590
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.880
there's already a king, I mean, would this would this stone be the

591
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.119
Caribbean Queen? Probably? I mean
she'd be wearing it once She's out of

592
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:43.679
my dreams. Oh Man in was
that also Billy Ocean? Yea, yes,

593
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:49.440
but that year podcast is over what
happened? I have to look that

594
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.159
up. But we didn't Why came
we didn't cover that stone in crystal healing.

595
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.360
I don't know. We're just the
worst. We're terrible at her jobs.

596
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:05.599
Damn it, Oh my god,
new sound effect, new sound It's

597
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:12.559
called the dry fuss. It's just
damn it. It's your dry fuss.

598
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:19.639
Um. Yes, the crystals,
there was a big thing. There was

599
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.239
a big crystal apparently, and they
they just overcharged it and it and it

600
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:32.239
sent you know, seizemic sob.
And then he said that Atlantis would rise

601
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:39.599
again in nineteen sixty eight or sixty
nine. Um, And that's apparently that's

602
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:44.199
a right right on the time they
discovered the Bimini road. Have you heard

603
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:50.360
this thing before? Yeah, the
underground the underwater underwater slab did not rise

604
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.000
above the surface of the ocean.
Yeah, I mean rising consciousness. Maybe,

605
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.800
oh look at me, look at
me go if he if he was

606
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:07.920
alive and the sunset on nineteen sixty
nine withoutout that discovery dry fuss apparently,

607
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.679
uhm, Atlantis falling into the ocean
or getting destroyed was the cause of the

608
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:22.239
great deal usual. Whoa really reaching
back there? The one that one can?

609
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.599
I get a dry fuss? What
what? Yeah? People are I

610
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.840
don't care. People loved mister Holland's
opus. No, they're gonna hate him

611
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.559
after this. They didn't. They
did not care for that. Really,

612
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.239
people didn't like that. No,
they thought it was about a Bloom County

613
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:46.840
cartoon character. Photo was about a
penguin? Was yeah, all right?

614
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.039
That that's Atlantist a Cashic records.
Oh yeah, I saw that. I

615
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.360
don't know anything about a Casha except
for the cereal. Oh yeah, sorry

616
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.400
me, that was terrible. I
should go to jail for that, but

617
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:07.159
not the penalty lots. I'd rather
actually go to jail. The Book of

618
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:13.559
Life, the Akashic Records, contain
the entire history of every soul since the

619
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.639
dawn of creation, quote upon time
and space is written the thoughts, the

620
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.440
deeds, the activities of an entity
as in relationship to its environments. Oh

621
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.920
one, am I talking about?
I totally know about this. We covered

622
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.000
this, We've talked over this.
Yeah, I read a little bit continuing

623
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:36.239
its hereditary influence as directed or judgment, drawn by or according to what the

624
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:42.280
entity's ideal is hints, as it
has been oft called, the record is

625
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:46.519
God's book of remembrance. And each
entity, each soul as the activities of

626
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:53.000
a single day of an entity in
the material world, either makes same good

627
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:58.000
or bad or indifferent. Oh my
god, I've gone cross syded. You're

628
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.280
like reading stereo instructions right now,
depending upon the entity's application of self towards

629
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:08.119
that which is the ideal manner for
the use of time opportunity and the expression

630
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:13.559
of that for which each soul enters
a material manifestation. Are these the rules

631
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.239
of pitt because that's why nobody plays
it. The interpretation, then, as

632
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.199
John here, is with the desire
and hope that in opening this for the

633
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:29.039
entity, the experience may be one
of helpfulness and hopefulness, and also to

634
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:35.639
corner the market, drive us or
dry fuss Right now? What thank all

635
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.719
that is? Boy, Everyone's gonna
hate how much I scream that because I

636
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:45.920
like it. Okay, So that's
what he said about the Akashic records.

637
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.599
Now this to put it in other
words, I don't know words that you

638
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.920
can understand, he said, because
that's what it is. What the d

639
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:58.000
average guy would have said this.
Wait, wait, wait, be well,

640
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.039
Lug said. All I was like, who's this, who's this wing

641
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:08.960
hippie? Like, oh, he's
like me, Floyd, He's all right,

642
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:22.599
he's all right, all right,
Hi, Kashik records are this is

643
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:28.320
where he would go to get his
information in his unconscious trance like state.

644
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.199
Is it is something of a mind
palace? Yeah? Um it was.

645
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.880
He would turn into ben a Ben
a snatch cumber cumber bitch. And his

646
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:51.320
name is bunder Flunk Maranderhand, bunder
Randerhand in his mind palace. Yeah,

647
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:57.199
it's it's it's a repository of all
knowledge ever right ever ever was is will

648
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.760
be. Yeah that you can anybody
he can, with with the proper training,

649
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:07.559
access through their unconscious mind and find
any anything, ever, any information.

650
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.639
You know. It's like a big
old library of the unconscious. No,

651
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.039
let me tell you how that why
that doesn't exist? Okay, there's

652
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.960
no floating heads. If you can't
do anything, first thing you do floating

653
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.760
heads? What just make like heads
and jars, you know, like science

654
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:30.000
heads. Like well, who's to
say, I am? Have you tried

655
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:37.039
to enter to enter the Hall of
records? Vendor Runk's blender snatches exactly that

656
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.840
one have you tried. Maybe that's
maybe you're like, Hey, which one

657
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.840
of you heads can tell me score
of the mets? So do I do

658
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.119
this when I go to sleep?
I don't want to get hypnotized. You

659
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.400
have no idea what i'd say.
No, here's the deal. I keep

660
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.800
a lot of other personalities locked into
the basement. I do not want any

661
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:59.599
of them even getting near the door, let alone out. Oh my god,

662
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.599
I don't want our brain is the
road. Yeah, I don't want

663
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.679
the guard on the other side of
the door, even hearing the guys in

664
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:13.119
the cell um. You self induced
the trans but then somebody else asks the

665
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.039
question and guides it, and then
you you know, they smack you and

666
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.480
you come out of it. I'm
taking a nap. Then I know I

667
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.639
want to try it. Not that
it's ever at all, but wouldn't it

668
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.599
be fun to try? Don't you
think naps are fun to try? I'd

669
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:29.840
just be pissed that right when I
was falling asleep, somebod be like,

670
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.639
oh, floating a heads, how
do you make him? Oh? Is

671
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.000
that what you were saying? Yeah, I had no idea what you were

672
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:44.880
talking about. No clue. Okay, scratch all that continuing, um Casey

673
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.599
was always conflicted over his ability,
uh to you know, you know,

674
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.639
to please the ladies. No,
No, never came to a question because

675
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:58.920
his his abilities that he had,
his his his readings, and his Christian

676
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:05.480
faith. Yeah, subjects such as
reincarnation and the Christ spirit came up frequently,

677
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.840
and that didn't really fit the teachings
of his church. Yeah he would.

678
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:16.199
He towed pretty close to the reincarnation
line. Yes, yeah, spiritualism

679
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.599
that didn't necessarily require Jeebus. But
the concept of Jesus, the Christ,

680
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:30.000
I think you meant Jesus, loss
of the Christ, Jesus t Christ,

681
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:37.079
the concept of there being one creator, a oneness that everyone is trying to

682
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:43.920
attain to get back to that everyone
has come from that, and and the

683
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.599
the you know, teachings to love
everyone and do do good to others.

684
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:58.679
That's when we cover the mythras,
the myth of Mithra. When when Mithra

685
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.599
fights Macca, John's and goth Zilla, they'll finally team up against Mithra,

686
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.280
right exactly when we when we cover
that, maybe we'll do that at Easter

687
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.639
or something. Then we'll talk about
some of some of this idea. But

688
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:19.840
this Christ figure I'm getting getting getting
spread across the agent. Start writing your

689
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.679
hate mail. Now, everybody.
The point is everybody love each other.

690
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:29.440
Everybody you know, treat each other
well, and yeah, do stuff neighbor.

691
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.199
M That's what he got into.
Uh, that was what he was

692
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.119
at odds with all the time.
He was personally conflicted. He wanted to

693
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.760
help people, but he also was
a very devout Christian. He was.

694
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:44.159
It was very into the faith.
He said, though, that the future

695
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:52.119
can change, which makes predictions unreliable. But a person can also change their

696
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.960
future even while being on another even
while being chained to it. Yeah,

697
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.519
well, but while being on an
otherwise preordained path. And here's a quote

698
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:06.039
for you. Each individual entity,
whether aware of same or not, sets

699
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:10.000
before self an ideal in the material
world, in the mental world, in

700
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:15.039
the spiritual world. Another individual was
told, we are spirits in the material

701
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.519
world. I think that was sting. I think it was Madonna. Uh,

702
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:25.599
we are spirit material wow, and
we are Edgar case for damn it.

703
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:36.320
Another another rich another individual was told
that the reason he had so many

704
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.239
problems and so much confusion in his
own life. Listen up, Dave,

705
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.199
was because he was batched crazy.
Was because he had never really established a

706
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.960
conscious ideal. He often felt that
he was in a state of confusion simply

707
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:57.280
because the ideal he had established unconsciously
was that of a wanderer. So he

708
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.400
was encouraged to make a conscious choice
and to begin to work with it.

709
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:08.760
Because what individuals dwell upon they become. Oh it's pretty pretty sexy advice.

710
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:12.920
See, if you can see it, you can be it positively or negatively.

711
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.960
Uh. Such famous persons as Woodrow
Wilson, Double Double, Thomas the

712
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:25.320
Incredible dick Bag Edison, Irving Berlin, and George Gershwin visited him. Nice.

713
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:29.920
Did you think that Thomas Edison went
there just to try to steal the

714
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.280
other side? Yes? I think
you did. I think he went there

715
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.119
to try and figure out why he
used to happen. That's really nice,

716
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:37.199
nap. He got that I need
to make more money. What do you

717
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.320
got for me? Can you put
heads and jaws? Heads and jaws floating

718
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.840
around? And this guy's fake I'm
gonna edison this shit out of us.

719
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.480
Yeah, there's another dog to elect
your cute. Many skeptics laugh at the

720
01:00:52.559 --> 01:01:00.199
thought of Edgar Casey were bastards.
There have been some good observations made by

721
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.360
those of a skeptical bent, and
there have been some cringe worthy opinions with

722
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:08.760
no facts to back them up.
Right, it's a psychic's having that.

723
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.559
He's talking about Atlantis. Of course, there's going to be people that are

724
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:15.800
skeptical of that. I myself am
skeptical of that right this whole podcast.

725
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.639
I mean it's I would like to
say at least fifty percent skeptical of the

726
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.599
stuff we throw out there. Let's
go through some of the stuff and see

727
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.519
what they say, see what we
think. First of all, they bring

728
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.599
up the evidence charge against him.
The only evidence that we have is from

729
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:37.199
articles and anecdotes and testimonials and the
like. I think that's a valid argument.

730
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:43.159
Yeah, and you get the difficult
is that you get this after the

731
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.960
fact. Oh, that's what he
meant by that, Like, prediction is

732
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:52.159
a useless unless it helps you predict
something, not wait till a bunch of

733
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.400
things happening, go Well, what
most closely fits it? Oh that yep,

734
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.719
yep, yep. That's a very
very good point. That's the same

735
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.880
thing with that's the Bible's game,
well, the Bible code, right,

736
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.079
Yeah, Yeah, I mean I
get sick of that that thing that watching

737
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.199
those shows, because it's like,
yeah, what what's the use of it

738
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.800
if you can't predict something with yeah? But it's commonly said, well,

739
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:17.719
you know, it's the only historical
document that has been true about all of

740
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.519
its predictions. I'm like, you
know, what, name one name of

741
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.719
prediction that's going to happen in the
next five years, and be very specific

742
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:30.519
about it. It doesn't work that
way, you can't. You know.

743
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.920
It's a fun aside on that I
want to say. It is Psalm ninety

744
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:42.920
one because ninety one first golf four
kicks off. I was in junior high

745
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:50.440
and reading my momble and as I
it blew my mind, Psalm ninety one

746
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:55.719
references that I can't do the exact
quote, but it's you shall not feel

747
01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:00.559
fear the arrow that flies at night, nor this the Lord will keep you.

748
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:06.440
And this is like right when,
yes, this is right when America

749
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.119
learned the phrase scud missiles, and
it was when they were like, no,

750
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:13.199
no, we've got Patriot batteries that
keeps you know, we've deployed them.

751
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:20.239
We're keeping Kuwait city safe and and
I was like, boom, this

752
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:24.199
fits exactly this moment right now,
and was made for nothing but this moment

753
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:30.239
right now. Yeah, I was
really on fuego about that little discovery.

754
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:37.840
Another thing that many skeptics bring up
his knowledge. I've got a quote from

755
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:44.639
the Skeptics Dictionary on Edgar Casey.
Quote. Even though Casey didn't have a

756
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:49.519
formal education much beyond grammar school,
he was a voracious reader, worked in

757
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:55.519
bookstores, and was especially fond of
occult and osteopathic literature. And then osteopathy

758
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.840
in his day was primitive and akin
to naturopathy in folk medicine. He was

759
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:06.400
in contact with and assisted by people
of various medical backgrounds, even so many

760
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:11.800
of his readings would probably only make
sense to an osteopath of his day.

761
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.400
Oh so he was deep on that
ass. Well, here's the deal.

762
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:20.159
What that boils down to is,
since he worked in a bookstore, not

763
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:29.840
bookstores, and was friends with doctors
of osteopathy and homeopathy doctor, he just

764
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:35.519
regurgitated bits from each of those,
including apparently an interest in occult practices.

765
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:43.039
Well, I mean he's claiming to
be psychic, so yeah, there's probably

766
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:48.400
some interest in the cult practices.
Well maybe, But like this I think

767
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:53.280
is an invalid argument because number one, how's this provable? At all,

768
01:04:53.920 --> 01:05:00.159
And isn't it a little complicated?
Skeptics like Alcam's razor, this is not

769
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.960
Akham's razor. Well, yeah,
but I mean that's that's an incorrect use

770
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.840
of that thing. I mean,
it's an incorrect use of Akham's razor.

771
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:13.639
Yeah. I mean, the simplest
explanation is the best, but the simplest

772
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:19.280
can still be very complex. The
simplest form of DNA replication still pretty complex.

773
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.599
That's that. That is not this
though. I don't know, but

774
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.679
I'm saying, if you want to
say, how does how does this guy

775
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.599
have this information? You know,
like you know, if you're like,

776
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:31.840
oh, I don't I don't believe
this. Oh he worked in a bookstore

777
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.559
where he could just peruse books all
day. He had friends that were osteopaths.

778
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:41.760
Yes, I think that's completely I
think that's believable. And you think

779
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.440
he he just retained every bit of
knowledge that he that he ever came across,

780
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.360
and was able to just spit it
out whenever he wanted. No,

781
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.880
I don't think he was what are
they called that an autodidact or he could

782
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:56.360
just read something and have it forever. No, But I also don't know

783
01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.639
the degree of detail he went into. I don't. I don't. I

784
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:01.280
don't know how readings. Yeah,
I don't. I mean, I you

785
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.679
know, I don't know how specific
he got with his uh you know,

786
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:11.400
the ones that I did read,
things were kind of vague, you know,

787
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.880
he's he didn't say, oh,
well, you're you're three sacrel and

788
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.519
vert fused vertebrae or not in alignment, you know, like you know,

789
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:19.880
I don't. I don't know he
did, though, even I don't know,

790
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:24.760
Like I didn't read any of those
medical ones. But I'm saying that

791
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.599
it's not implausible that that he could, you know, read books and at

792
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:33.039
least have I mean, a person
can teach themselves a fundamental knowledge of a

793
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.320
human anatomy. Sure, if your
friends are are osteopaths and you you talk

794
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.599
to them and you're like, oh, yeah, I read this book,

795
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.800
and I you know, I I
know the bones that make up the hand.

796
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.599
You know, these are things that
a guy in a bookstore could do.

797
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.639
I don't. I don't feel like
that's the most outlandish, unreasonable scenario.

798
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.400
But again, I don't know the
detail that he went into. I

799
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:59.440
don't know what he was describing,
but I don't I don't think that's unreasonable.

800
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:04.079
I think it's I think it's a
very unreasonable argument for to be made

801
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:10.840
to say that he was fake.
I don't think that's a very strong argument.

802
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.840
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be
made, or that skeptics are wrong

803
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.159
at all. I'm just saying,
in this case, I don't think that's

804
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.719
their strongest not to throw at the
batter. It's true, that's that's a

805
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:27.320
that's like trying to stop a tank
by shooting out its headlights. Like I

806
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.119
don't I don't think that's the place
you strike. If you need to stop

807
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:35.119
it, you put a stone in
the muzzle of the banana tailpipe. We've

808
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.760
we've got this figured out. But
yeah, no, I agree, I

809
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:43.280
agree with that that, like,
that's an odd place to attack his credibility

810
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.119
of of of the of all of
his things he's done. That seems very

811
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:53.000
specific and a little nitpicky. Also
hard to know in this day and age,

812
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:58.360
hard to know without having experienced him
as a person, being around them,

813
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.519
seeing how he talked, you know, to day if he was intelligent,

814
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.360
you know, you would think someone
who read that much would I don't

815
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.880
know. He seemed like a very
like you said, humble, simple,

816
01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:11.719
Yeah, I don't I don't know, And I wonder, you know,

817
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.800
how much of that, um,
you know, we talked about that,

818
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.039
people thought maybe he was a little
dull, right right and weird. Yeah,

819
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:21.800
and I wonder how much of that
is after the fact, you know,

820
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:29.479
his his readings become more impressive,
if he becomes less impressive, if

821
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.880
he's the duller Edgar is the more
mind blowing his reading has become. Yeah,

822
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.840
so I know, maybe there's a
piece of that, you know that

823
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:41.359
maybe maybe he wasn't that dumb a
kid. But as time goes on,

824
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:45.199
they're like, oh no, think
here's a fucking idiot. Put him to

825
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:51.600
sleep and he'll rewire your entire life. Yeah, add hawc hypotheses this is

826
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:59.760
excuses for his failures them. I
think it's it's called into question how many

827
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:03.399
time times he his his predictions hit
as opposed to how many times they miss.

828
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:09.079
It's a classic yeah, you know
profit thing that that people like to

829
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:13.920
throw out there. People forget missus
when you have a good hit, you

830
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.359
know you miss five times, you
hit the sixth time, when people are

831
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.359
like, oh yeah, that's sixth
time. Really that was right? That

832
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:21.840
was right, let's see what he
can do some more, you know,

833
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:27.159
and then yeah, and this miss
missmintonus hit right, and it's it's honestly,

834
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.000
that's the same thing that had with
gamblers. Gamblers their brains pave over

835
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:34.840
the losses and focus on the winds, and and and and even even in

836
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:36.920
the some of the readings you just
did, you know, for example,

837
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:42.359
the the race differences, the economic
differences, I mean, those those are

838
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.359
idioms that will that are true for
the entirety of history. There's nothing there's

839
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:54.000
nothing predictive in saying a high weather
pressure system might produce a north winds.

840
01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:57.760
I have just told you the future. It's not really you know, like

841
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:03.239
when when when there's a a disparity
between the what did he called management or

842
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:09.479
the you know, the economic disparity
breeds contempt. This has played out over

843
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.920
and over and over. It's going
on right now, somewhere right, it's

844
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:16.239
going on somewhere Yeah. And so
is that a prediction. No, that's

845
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:20.279
a statement of of of the way
the world is. And you don't even

846
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:24.840
need a thick history book to see
to see that play out over and over.

847
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:30.359
You know, those those kind of
like truths of human nature universal truth.

848
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.319
Yeah, that they don't. I
don't think they hold a lot of

849
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.960
predictive water. But even you know, he said, oh, there's there's

850
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:40.359
going to be racial tension, and
the mob will rule. The mob doesn't

851
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.079
rule. The mob didn't rule in
the sixties. The mob didn't rule at

852
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.520
Kent State, and the mob didn't
rule when the fire hoses and the dogs

853
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:51.079
come out. The mob never gets
to rule. The mob gets its ass

854
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:57.079
kicked and it makes a point and
society is forced to confront things that doesn't

855
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.880
like and things change, but the
mob never gets to rule. The mob

856
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:09.199
does get to rule when the mob
is zombies. Oh here comes zombie master

857
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:17.359
ue. One example is is somebody
said he predicted, uh, where buried

858
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:21.600
treasure would be, and he went
out looking for it, didn't find any

859
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.520
in the spot he said it was
going to be, and then was like,

860
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:28.800
oh, well, that probably means
that someone's already come and dug it

861
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:31.880
up, or someone will bury it
in the future at this spot. That

862
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:38.520
is one of these ad hoc hypotheses. You know, my grandmother had a

863
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:45.199
phrase for that. I think she
called that a new age bo shit.

864
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:56.479
My grandpad a filthy ballot, also
a lot of time. Yeah, yeah,

865
01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.199
Uh, isn't that stupid? I
mean that that is that's one of

866
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.239
the stronger points I think. And
I don't know if he said it or

867
01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:09.600
if his his believers eventually said it, but like it's it's the whole.

868
01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:14.079
If he knows the stuff, then
why can't he differentiate between past, present,

869
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.600
and future with it? And then
and then what comes out of that

870
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:21.119
is, well, he's he's reading
the grid of time and space, which

871
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:27.920
time actually doesn't exist in timey ymy, yeah, wibbly wobbly, so and

872
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:33.159
so. Then then then you extrapolate
that to all of his his predictions and

873
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:39.640
say so, oh, so was
he saying that in eighteenth century France the

874
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.920
differences between the rich and the poor? Is that what he was describing?

875
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.239
Was he describing the Boer War in
South Africa about racial strikes? Like what

876
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.399
what was he describing? Then?
If he doesn't know where in the timeline

877
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:57.720
he's describing, then then again useless. Hey, Flora, you want a

878
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.319
prediction? No, Uh, people
are going to fight where Yeah, they're

879
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:06.039
gonna they really are. I'm sorry
to ruin your night. Another um,

880
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.159
another point of attack from skeptics,
quack medicine that he would throw out there,

881
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:17.600
the osteopathy homeopathy. Um well,
I want to point out something very

882
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:25.479
important is that osteopathy is not quack
medicine. Osteopaths are extraordinarily highly trained and

883
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:31.279
completely legitimate practitioners of medicine without question. It's weird because I thought it was

884
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:36.319
bone medicine that that osteopaths practice.
No, well, I mean the name

885
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:43.079
osteopath it's got osteo when it's bone, right, But h osteopaths, it's

886
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:47.359
it's a different route. There's there's
mds medical doctors, and dios doctors of

887
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:53.079
osteopathy. Right. I've had both
in my life. My primary care physician

888
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:58.560
was an osteopath. Like, they
are all perfectly great and brilliantly trained doctors.

889
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:02.000
The difference is, I think it's
it's just two different approaches to medical

890
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:09.159
wellness. Well yeah, and osteopaths
have a more inside out method, right.

891
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:14.119
They think the body can heal itself
through different means as as part of

892
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:16.680
the medicine. Right. Well,
yeah, I think it's it's an approach

893
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:23.119
to I think, um uh,
skeletal balance and musculature and making sure that

894
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:28.920
every that all the subsystems are working
well. But I think, I honestly

895
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:31.840
think at this point, I think
the difference between ADO and an MD is

896
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:36.720
non existent. Now I don't think
that there is. I mean you could

897
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:42.840
see, like go to ten doctors
and get the same check up, and

898
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.239
you would never be able to tell
which one was an MD and which one

899
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:53.680
was adou. They are huge part
of the medical community. There's no stigma

900
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:59.439
attached to them whatsoever. They they
serve in hospitals without funny because all the

901
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:04.279
stuff I was reading makes it seem
like skeptics are real against osteopathy. Yeah,

902
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:09.880
and I think that's that's that's skeptics
attacking. I mean, granted that's

903
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:14.319
osteopathy in the year nineteen ten,
which I know very little about. Yeah.

904
01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.159
Um, and I don't I wonder
if they attack, if they're attacking

905
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:21.159
that as a means to get to
Casey, to to undermine him. I

906
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:26.680
kind of feel like, yes,
But but I can I just I have

907
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:34.039
to make this a higherssing clear that
that modern ostiopathydos are wonderful doctors, and

908
01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:41.279
they are obstetricians, they are radiologists, they are oncologists. It is just

909
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.720
a simply a different route of of
of medical training that is completely equivalent in

910
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.119
every way, And I'm glad you
bring that up. I think this is

911
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:54.760
not a very valid argument for them
to make, except for the slant of

912
01:15:54.920 --> 01:16:02.560
like folk medicine, um, what
naturopathy, the homeopathic stuff, which hasn't

913
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:08.199
necessarily been proven to be you know, one hundred percent good for people.

914
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.600
But then again, you need a
basis for for drugs and stuff. And

915
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.560
there there is science behind a bowl
of chicken noodle soup, you know,

916
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.920
for a cold. Yeah, And
there is that that that that you get

917
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:24.600
into that that kind of hard area
of folk wisdom that's actually effective over a

918
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.640
long time. But but I I
don't know what the overall statistics are,

919
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.199
like how many of those remedies really
do make sense, how many of them

920
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:33.840
don't. Yeah, I don't have
a clue. And also he used patent

921
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:38.359
medicines, he did. And you
know what the interesting thing was, he

922
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:45.279
tried to spread it around, so
the Johnson and Johnson company. He would

923
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:49.039
he would say, take take black
Johnson and Johnson's blah blah castor oil for

924
01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:54.800
this thing. Then the next reading
he would say, take DuPont's cast royal

925
01:16:54.880 --> 01:17:00.000
for this. So it's like he
oddly enough tried to not monopolize. So

926
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.760
I mean, to me, that's
a point in his favor, I mean

927
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:06.880
sort of. But I mean I
would say, and again, well,

928
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.439
he's not in the pocket of big
Johnson and Johnson No, but what if

929
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:16.920
he's in the pocket of over the
counter heroin and opiates and saying secure tuberculosis

930
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:20.960
that his wife had, I don't
he cure her of? Apparently, I

931
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:25.800
don't need to give you the same
brand. As long as I know that

932
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:30.359
all of these things have that sweet
milk of the poppy in them, I

933
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:32.039
can give you whatever the I want, and I know you're going to get

934
01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:34.439
it the same thing out of all
of these. Well, I think,

935
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:36.880
yeah, that's that's the point.
Yeah. So, I mean it's not

936
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:40.119
like he was in the pocket of
anybody. He was just like, Hey,

937
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.560
how about I just to me becking
high as ship and then you'll feel

938
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:47.319
fine. If I give you a
ton of opiates, you're gonna you're gonna

939
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:51.760
be really glad I did. Yeah, But I don't think he ever prescribed

940
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:57.239
something that people took for the rest
of their lives. People, I mean,

941
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.319
from the letters that they sent him, took it for you know.

942
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.399
An amount of time. I mean, but I'm not saying like he's trying

943
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.239
to make addicts. He's not.
He's not like a drug dealer on a

944
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:11.960
street corner. But you give someone
opiates and they're not they're not aware that

945
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.960
they're taking an opiate, They're going
to be so amazed at how much better

946
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:19.720
they feel. That's that's how coke
got started. But I mean, it's

947
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:25.960
I mean, when I drink it
these days, are they ah my god,

948
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:34.640
who refreshing? I don't know.
Um, I think there's there's validity

949
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:40.119
to some homeopathic stuff out there.
Yeah, sure, I would be willing

950
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:44.279
to learn more about it. But
anyway, one more thing things that he

951
01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:47.319
failed to predict or help with,
And let me let me read this from

952
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:55.279
the Straight Dope article. An article
from The Straight Dope called What's the Scoop

953
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:59.920
on Edgar Casey The Sleeping Prophet.
Casey supporters probably don't like to talk about

954
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:04.479
his failures and healing members of his
own family. According to Baerstein, Casey's

955
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:10.560
cousin Ike appealed to him for help
but died, and one of Casey's own

956
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:15.199
sons died as a baby in nineteen
eleven. As if they were three months

957
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:18.800
old. As if these weren't bad
enough, we have several documented cases of

958
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:26.239
Casey advising how to cure dead people
in connection with readings using letters they sent

959
01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:30.000
to him. In these cases,
the letters had been written while the person

960
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:33.520
was still alive, but by the
time he made his psychic quote diagnosis,

961
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:40.039
they were dead. Whoops. Of
course, his followers have excuses for this

962
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.920
type of thing, but it seems
to me, if he's getting his information

963
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:48.840
through magical means, he should know
this particular person is beyond help. That's

964
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:55.479
from that article. I think that's
a terribly worded argument for it, and

965
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.520
it is. It's extraordinarily specific,
But I don't think you have to jump

966
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:02.439
through that he hopes to call bullshit. I mean, right again, this

967
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:08.520
is another thing that I don't think
you want to go down this avenue for

968
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:14.239
an argument against against him. And
I want to point out again I'm not

969
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.920
saying that I think Edgar Casey was
the bee's knees and wearing the cat's pajamas

970
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:21.800
here, but like, if you're
going to argue against him, if you're

971
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:28.479
gonna argue skeptically, you can't argue
a hypothetical with that. The fact that

972
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.000
people sent him letters. He was
getting thousands of letters. Of course he's

973
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:35.239
not going to get to them in
time. And he's in his world,

974
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:39.840
in this world that we've set up. This Edgar Casey how he works,

975
01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:43.640
right, that's that's not playing by
those rules. Yeah, and you can

976
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.079
you can get around that again,
playing by Edgar Casey rules. However,

977
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.920
I don't hear here. Watch me. I'm I'm Edgar Casey's pr guy.

978
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:58.079
Okay um. The the the psychic
and spiritual information as the person imparted that

979
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.960
information to the letters still there alive
in that letter, and he's responding to

980
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:06.239
that energy. He's answering the person
writing that letter. He you know,

981
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:11.039
not the person as they are at
that exact moment. He's feeling that.

982
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.760
That's what he is, That's what
he needs that letter for to hold in

983
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.960
his hand. That's where he's getting
that and so that person is very alive

984
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.399
to him and that's what he's keying
on. That'll be fourteen thousand dollars,

985
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:24.680
mister Casey. Oh, thank you
very much. I appreciate your pr work.

986
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:30.159
Ye. And about the family members, he cured his wife of tuberculosis,

987
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:36.319
allegedly, his son Hugh Lynn was
burned horribly in a in a flash

988
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:42.600
powder accident when he was young,
and the doctor said he would never see

989
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:49.319
again. Well, Casey prescribed you
know, heroine for it. Uh and

990
01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:55.039
when they when they they followed it, and after the bandages came off a

991
01:21:55.119 --> 01:22:00.680
few week weeks later, he got
a sight back. And people are attribute

992
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:04.640
this healing to to Casey's instructions.
So it's they're they're kind of picking and

993
01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:08.920
choosing, right, But that's what
everybody does. I mean, both sides

994
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:13.720
do. That's that's true. That's
true. And again I just I don't

995
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.720
understand. I mean I understand,
I understand, and then personally don't believe

996
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:24.279
him to have been psychic. But
if if your job is to go,

997
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:27.760
not only do I not think he's
psychic, but I need you to not

998
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.640
think he's psychic. These are such
oddly specific places to like to plant your

999
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.800
flag, to make this the hill
you're going to die on. When when

1000
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:43.039
you just say he's wrong as much
as he's right, Mike drop good night.

1001
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.000
You know, like it's weird,
Like it's almost like when you get

1002
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:54.159
into such specific instances like like the
timing of letters and everything, it implies

1003
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.680
that you've accepted everything up to that
point, but I really had to get

1004
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.520
into the fine print to find something
wrong. It's a good point, and

1005
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:05.039
and and it I honestly that argument
against Casey does more help to him.

1006
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:10.199
I think so too. I think
you'd you'd be much better served point out

1007
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.239
the typo in the title of the
legal document. Don't go to page seventeen,

1008
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:18.560
subcat paragraph three for the bad grammar
that was used there. Yeah,

1009
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:26.479
I think you'd be much better served
arguing that there's no way to verify any

1010
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:30.039
of this stuff. You can't test
this. I mean, if if he

1011
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:35.159
were still alive and willing to undergo
tests, you could he is, but

1012
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:42.119
you you can't test the stuff or
back then, I read a book Michael

1013
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.920
Schermer has a has a book It's
around here somewhere U that had a very

1014
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:53.960
good chapter in it where he went
to the Association for Research and Enlightenment and

1015
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:58.319
they they now give tours of the
place and they do like, oh see,

1016
01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:01.319
if you're if you've got key potential, let's we're gonna do give you

1017
01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:06.439
ten then blanks, and and you're
gonna predict predict them. And anybody who

1018
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:12.680
scores a sixty percent or above is
psyche go and it's like like a circus

1019
01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.520
show. Yeah, and he like
tore them apart about it, and they

1020
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.760
just they didn't have an answer for
him because it's just like that's that's just

1021
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:24.680
statistical, you know, anomalies and
a tourist attraction at that. Yeah,

1022
01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:28.600
it's it's shizzle whizzle is all it
is. So watch out. I hope

1023
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:33.640
that you beeped out both of those
words. I am beeps a thug.

1024
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:40.560
And that is not to say that
these days the ARI, I mean,

1025
01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:46.880
who knows what they're doing cases they
are. It's not that I don't think

1026
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.760
these people are trying to help others
and stuff, but at the same time,

1027
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:55.199
they're selling a lot of books.
They're a nonprofit. But if they're

1028
01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:58.159
pulling stunts like that, it's it's
kind of weird. I don't know,

1029
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:02.439
it's it just it seems taint to
me now where I could believe that Edgar

1030
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:08.119
Casey wanted to help people and was
trying, you know, in some way

1031
01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.439
or another. I mean, everything
that I've read makes it seem like he

1032
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.239
was not not for profit of this
stuff. But then again, he got

1033
01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:23.199
enough money to build this association well, and that's the thing. I think

1034
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.720
that this is my personal belief,
this is what I think. This is

1035
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:31.199
how I think Edgar Casey boils down. I don't think that he was I

1036
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:34.319
think that he believed him to have
these himself, to have these abilities.

1037
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:39.000
I don't think that he was a
fraud fraudulent guy. I don't think he

1038
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.680
was a huckster. I don't think
he was deliberately bilking people. I believe

1039
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:49.039
that he genuinely thought he had these
abilities. I think that he would hypnotize

1040
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:57.000
himself or be hypnotized or learned to
do it, and and then just say

1041
01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:00.479
these things. And in his mind
he was able to divorce himself from the

1042
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:06.840
possibility that that that A and B
are both A and and so I think

1043
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:13.479
that he genuinely was interested in helping
people. And you see this kind of

1044
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:17.960
this reluctant like snowballing of his life. Um, you know. And and

1045
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.920
there are times when he tries to
reduce it when he has his own family,

1046
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:24.920
you know, put his son puts
him into the state, his wife

1047
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:29.479
handles a lot of it. But
that but then these these these people get

1048
01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.000
added into it. There's more and
more people. There's a now there's a

1049
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:35.600
stenographer. Now there's yeah, there's
a place he has to go. Volunteers

1050
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:39.680
too. Yeah, yeah, but
it but it snowballs nonetheless. And I

1051
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.920
don't think fame was his goal.
I think he really genuinely wanted to help

1052
01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:46.279
people. And I don't think that
he was entirely or at least not consciously

1053
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.680
aware that he what he was doing. I think that he thought that he

1054
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:56.079
was doing something remarkable and special,
and that these kind of half asleep,

1055
01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:01.319
semi cogent ramblings were helping people.
One of the things that led to his

1056
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:08.479
fame were articles that came out in
major publications of the day. The New

1057
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.960
York Times was one of the worst
ones for him because it, I mean,

1058
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:16.560
looking back at it, it said
illiterate man cures I forget the exact

1059
01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:21.560
title, but it calls him illiterate
in there, which he's not illiterate because

1060
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:26.439
he can he can read, read, write, But to them, he's

1061
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.960
just a you know, farmer hick
from Kentucky who is suddenly he goes to

1062
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:36.600
sleep and he can cure the dumber
he is. The more miraculous his events

1063
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:41.640
and so yeah, like people will
would always I can see that happening.

1064
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.119
I can see people undercutting his abilities
until they'd be like, no, the

1065
01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.920
guy can barely even keep his pants
on. This guy's it's just a hot

1066
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:55.560
mess of a human being. But
when he's asleep he will design an aircraft

1067
01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:58.479
carrier. And I don't even know
what I just said because it doesn't exist

1068
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:01.520
yet. Yes, so part of
it was word of mouth, but part

1069
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:05.720
of it was these major publications that
made him, you know, the famous

1070
01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:12.479
person they was, but anyways,
called the father of modern New Age movement.

1071
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:19.359
He was before the New Age movement
officially started. And again, you

1072
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:24.800
know, Christian all the way,
So he wasn't even it wasn't even a

1073
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.039
goal of his, you know,
to to start this whole new movement or

1074
01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:32.319
anything. But a lot of people, including the homeopathic stuff, the things

1075
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:36.359
on Atlantis, came out of out
of things that he said. He would

1076
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:41.479
even argue against his own readings.
Yeah, when people would interpret it,

1077
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.720
I was like, oh, well, so you think reincarnation. He's like,

1078
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:47.560
no, no, that couldn't have
said that's not. Yeah. Some

1079
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:54.479
people have argued that he got some
of his stuff from Egypt, from a

1080
01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:59.439
book by a guy at the time
who and I completely forget his name,

1081
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:02.640
but I it it shows up in
some of the reading if if you go

1082
01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:09.039
on to the links in the show
notes. But we could, we could

1083
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:11.239
talk about this dude for a long
time, but we're not gonna We're gonna

1084
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:18.319
stop now done. That is your
casey and abulging, bulging, sleeping nutshell.

1085
01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:21.880
Oh man, Flora, I'm gonna
count down. When I reach three,

1086
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:28.000
you will be in a completely hypnotized
nobody nobody does three. It doesn't

1087
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:33.279
work too, because I am I
speaking to you, Flora, no perfect

1088
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:38.960
tell me entity from the beyond ethereal? What do you see in the future.

1089
01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:45.199
The future is beholden too many and
owned by none. The future is

1090
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.359
full of certain things which one cannot
see but unseen. It really needs you

1091
01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:53.399
need to get to like the point, okay, entity like you're I don't,

1092
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:56.920
I don't need this fortune cookie bullshit. We are not to be rushed.

1093
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.239
I don't You want me to count
it back down because we can get

1094
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:01.399
Floria back here. He'll tell me. What I want to know? Is

1095
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:04.880
that what you want? What you
want Floria back? We do not appreciate

1096
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:09.840
your sass. Oh well, that's
great, because I'm going to count down

1097
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:13.319
again. From three to one and
when I hit one and get Flora,

1098
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:15.880
So you tell me what's in the
future or I shut off the radio?

1099
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:23.920
Are you threatening us? Three?
Two, two and a half? There

1100
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:27.920
are puns? It's what I thought. That's what I thought. Thank you,

1101
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:33.039
thank you, Ethereal golf. Oh
really, how about this one.

1102
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:36.880
I'm not doing this. I'm not
doing this hypnosis. You can't you mean

1103
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:43.000
to do it? Flora? What
I just insulted and then hung up on

1104
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:48.199
the great Ethereal? You were the
phone bro? No gonna wreck me?

1105
01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:59.479
Really? Are they've got your collar? I wait? Stars sixty No,

1106
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:04.640
who gets that? Nobody? Some
of us? Oh man start the enemy

1107
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:15.840
of the crank caller? Oh man, Star sixte handsome puns. Oh my

1108
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:19.720
god, we have transgressed into that
area where that is that is a thing

1109
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:26.279
that doesn't happen anymore. Wow,
maybe it does. Maybe there's some I

1110
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:29.199
us want to go for us Star
sixty seven to crank call My own work

1111
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:32.199
is does that mask? You?
Yea? And that works right now?

1112
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:38.399
Yep? Duly noted. Yeah,
put that in your lexicon. The first

1113
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.520
useful piece of information we've given out
tonight. Uh, Flora, you me

1114
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:45.600
me you you me, what do
you think? Well, since you better

1115
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:49.560
go first, because you're about to
get etherially fucking wrecked. Right. I

1116
01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:59.720
have a store that specializes in putting
famous psychic readings behind thick protective glass displays.

1117
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:05.680
Oh really yeah, it's called Edgar
in Casey? Nice? Did you

1118
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:12.960
know that? In Clips Tattle,
Kentucky where he was born? In Clips

1119
01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:17.760
Tattle, they have a a really
big event that it was such a big

1120
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:24.279
event it was actually stolen the event
by a department store in New York City

1121
01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:29.359
because for years, which one uh, in order to thank Edgar for his

1122
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:35.520
contributions, they would have the uh, the Casey's Day Parade, Casey's Thanksgiving

1123
01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:39.119
Day Parade. Oh I get it? Yeah, did you get it?

1124
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:45.439
How about a business that helps predict
dangerous storms that could fry your electronic equipment?

1125
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.920
Oh really yeah? And it also
explores electrical phenomenon. Really, what's

1126
01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:58.960
called It's called the Association for Research
and Enlighteningment. Wow? Nice, that

1127
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.560
was really good. It was really
good. Well do you know that there's

1128
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:06.239
that kind of gray area in his
life? After he left school the ninth

1129
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:14.760
grade and and before he um became
a failed insurance salesman. Um, you

1130
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.159
know, and like most guys in
their teens, dude, he got really

1131
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:21.960
into the music scene and so he
formed a band named Edge Casey in the

1132
01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:28.600
Electric Medicine. The phrase electric medicine
was my favorite part of this entire podcast.

1133
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:31.079
That's that's that's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. He was really

1134
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:35.239
it's really into that. He was
into two electric stimulations and he went by

1135
01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:40.159
the name Edge edge Casey, which
is funny. He was going to be

1136
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:45.199
Edgar, but um uh, someone
putting his name on the marquee was illiterate.

1137
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:56.479
Edgar. Yeah, huns, go
to iTunes please, Yeah, Dave,

1138
01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:03.199
did you know what? Right?
Fifty ratings. That's awesome, Thank

1139
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.920
you so much. I really do
love reading the ratings, reading ratings.

1140
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:16.479
I'm a ratings reader, readings rating, uh old podcast any day take out.

1141
01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:23.439
Look, we're on Facebook. Give
a like to oh Jesus, give

1142
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:31.439
like to all right? Sorry?
Uh stundlepon Twitter, Blurry underscore photos YouTube,

1143
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:35.439
Blurry Photos podcast. Yeah. Yeah, uh and we got a doty

1144
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:38.760
button. That's cool. Yeah,
punch it, very cool with you.

1145
01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:42.680
The more you punch it, the
quicker we'll get T shirts online. I'll

1146
01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:45.760
tell you that. Yeah, we're
working that out and very close. Yeah

1147
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.840
close, that's uh, that's all
we got. August has has been a

1148
01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:51.920
pretty good month. Yeah, I've
enjoyed it. It's not been hot,

1149
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.119
and oh my god, it summer
has been great. We haven't bitched at

1150
01:34:56.119 --> 01:35:00.039
all. No, uh, it's
it's been a wonderful summer. That's so

1151
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:04.359
we can ask them into it anyway. For this episode of Blurry Photos,

1152
01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:13.279
I have been David Vanderhange nice and
we have been the entity within david'steco od.

1153
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:15.920
Damn it, why did you think
that one? I can't believe you

1154
01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:20.439
talk Vale. I thought you were
gonna be David. Damn it. Sticko,

1155
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:56.119
what what bye? What? What? You drive fus here?