Now we're back to press your tim bag with your host Chris Floodbeth. Thanks
everybody, thank you so much. Really excited. Here we are in the
winner circle with Dan Vanderhanch. Dan, You've had an amazing evening. You
have done a great job and you have made it to the winner circle.
Well, boy, I'm just glad I could have made it this far.
Never thought I would have made it this far. Well, it is exciting.
It's not easy. You are in the elite circle and we have a
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be rolling for. Oka't white. Well, We've got four different large money
spots on the board and we know that that is the golden ring we're all
reaching for. We've also got smaller cash prizes, vacation spots, and of
course the explain the unexplored. There's only one guy who can do it,
and that's our announcer. He's the only one that knows the prize and you're
not gonna find that to you land on it. Well, boys, your
hope, I do. I know everybody's wondering what's in that unexplored box.
I think my family back home is wondering themselves. I'd just like to take
a minute to say hi to everybody back home. I'd like to say hi
to Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca, Vanderhange, all the Vanderhanes. Yeah,
that's right, Hi, Mom and Dad, Hi everybody. All right,
we've got so many prices on the board. But of course, Danny,
there's also that dug on demon up there. Now. We've got him running
him buck in the back of the scenes. So I'm gonna need you to
be extra nimble on that button. All right, duck, dodge, dive,
but avoid that demon. I think I'll try. I think I'll try,
Chris. I know all the Vanderhanges back home or are pulling for me?
Bet they are? Hi, Elijah, Hi, Mordecai, Hello,
Ethel Hi. Are you sure they're allowed to watch TVs? Because they Samnopoly
off his TV? Huh? Oh nothing, nothing, all right. We've
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the wheel rolling on. Okay, okay, here we go. No demons,
no Damon's no damon stop seven hundred. That's gonna be fun. All
right, Let's do it again. Let's keep it going, keep it loose.
Okay, no Damon's no damons, no demons, no damon stop.
Whoa. Let's say you've got one of our prize package. What is it?
It's a beautiful getaway spy weekend for two at Alba's stores. Oh everyone
comes out of that with a big smile on their face. Boy, I
can't wait to go in there with just a talent on. Oh you'll be
lucky if they let you keep that tal on there. I've heard a lot
of fun things about that place. Huh, Okay, moving on, let's
keep it rolling. It's time to spend that leak all right. No demons,
no damon's, no damon stop. What it's time to explain? Oh,
we finally find out what's behind that pesky spat out of my way demon,
because it's time to find out what you want. Set ready, Danny,
for we're gonna send you and two loved ones on a trip a beautiful
Comba where we're gonna roll you in honey, dip you in gold, and
run you through the streets of Bogatar, where you will end up at the
beautiful five star resort and fool of what a vino hotel? What hell that
sounds amazing. What a crazy adventure you're gonna have in plubdia me and two
others. Huh, you'll be third wheeling it in style. But boy,
I'll tell you what the last I heard, the streets of Bogata are not
a place to be running and dipped in gold. You should really hustle.
You might want to train for that. Huh. All right, let's keep
it going, Let's keep these prizes flow and hit it again. All right.
No damon, no damon, no, damon star Oh, this guy
really knows how to live on the weekends. He's got the e VP prize
pack that comes to the PK E meter, electromagnetic dissonance meter and pocket tape
recorder. That's why you're gonna make your own ghost stories, all right,
it sounds great. Yeah, that's gonna be exciting and terrifying. Places that
you used to feel calm will now fill you with a sense of dread.
Well, that'll be fun for my youngest Danny Vanderhans Junior. Oh, Danny
Junior, I'd just like to take a quick moment to say hello to my
newest grandson, Boston Vanderhanes Hi, Boston Henna Day I can't support a children
named after cities. All Right, the choice is yours. Now you've spun
the wheel, You've made it through your mandatory spins. Now here's the big
call. Do you want to keep going for the glory or give up like
a baby? What happens if I give up? Do I keep everything?
You keep everything you've got, but you don't have that feeling of accomplishment.
And if I keep going, I have a chance at the large monies.
Of course you do. You also have a chance to lose it all to
that besky demon. I know he's been eyeballing you. Well, I tell
you what. I'm trying to save up money from a kid's college education.
So I think I'm just going to go ahead and press my debick. All
right, let's press that Davic. Let's see what we can do. We
gotta get some money for Tanner, Wilhelm, Denver, San Mateo, and
Seattle, your your other kids, right kidding, Let's go ahead and spin
it, all right. No, Damon's no, Damon's no damon stuff.
Oh it looks like you buck the odds and that David always gets you in
the end. Oh, look at him. Oh there's a little animation of
him chewing on your joy. Do I get to keep any of that?
Not a bit, not all, not even a single thing, just your
memories of a really fun day here on press yo jube. Huh. We
have pressed our tim We really did. Oh the poor fander hands plan.
I think they'll be okay. Yeah, no one feels bad for the Dutch.
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like to cover that we never got around to it. And uh, and
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We are like hometown boys. Is that how it goes? We're like steeltown
girls on a Saturday night looking for the fights of our lives. At least
that's how I've always felt. Well, um, oh, I see what
you mean. Not not gonna be on the same page this is you want
to be local boy makes good? Is it? Local boy? Hey?
We're gonna be like insert idiom here with this episode? That was real worth
it you guys? Yeah, talking about Edgar Casey's right, the Kentucky madman.
Uh I carrot we have been dangling for Yeah, So as we start
here, we're gonna tell you who Edgar Casey was, what did he do,
what were some of his readings, and what if he kicked you in
the ding ding? And and then we're we're just we're going to discuss his
impact on the New Age movement and some criticisms of his abilities. And yeah,
this guy is a profoundly effective person. I mean like, this guy
had a profound effect on a lot of New Age philosophy. But he's not
a person that the average person knows about. If you're if you're into weird
ship and you are. Then lots of people have heard this guy's name one
place or another. But to the average rank and filer, I think.
I think a lot of people are gonna see this pop up on their their
playlist. Yeah, and they'll be like feboliable. They're gonna give it the
old vanderhand. Well, you totally vanderhand that one guys. Um Flora stopped
giving everybody the vanderhand. I can't believe you put a GM or a J.
It's a j. It's a solid jal, a real solid j um.
I think that if if you were alive early twentieth century, you may
have caught a sniff of this guy. So also may have cut dysentery.
Sorry but yeah so uh. Edgar Casey big D the German space Caraman,
the space case Edgar Casey born eighteen seventy seven died nineteen forty five in your
home state of cam Entucky. That's true. He was a canned Turkeean.
Edgar Casey was an alleged American psychic who claimed to have the ability to answer
questions via channeling while in a self induced trance. What makes him unique was
his worldly knowledge which was displayed only while in a trance, and his ability
to seemingly diagnose health problems and prescribe cures while himself never having any formal medical
training. Yeah, that was That was a really interesting twist. I mean,
as we've already discussed the podcast, the popularity the cult was, the
occult was well established. There was already people doing seances, there were mediums.
This was This is a really well who will who she'll come back up
today. The concept of saying no, I'm not the person telling you this.
I like, the separation of it into this other entity within yourself is
really interesting because, um, it takes it. First of all, it
disarms people. It takes a little bit of that showman out, like,
oh no, I'm the one with the gift. I'm the one. He
had a much more a lot more humility about his approach to it. She
said, no, no, no, I don't know anything. You gotta
knock me out. Get in there. That's where it is. But don't
ask Edgar. Yeah, Edgar can't help you. Edgar. Edgar left school
in the ninth grade and really couldn't hold a job, which is true.
The evidence for his powers comes in testimonials and anecdotes from his readings for people.
Over his life lifetime, he performed more than twenty thousand readings, consisting
of everything from medical diagnoses to Atlantis and Jesus and horse racing Yeah, stock
tips. Oh. He was offered money to give daily crop reports on cotton
turn out some money, turned it down. Actually, um, and well,
I don't don't know what I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say it.
I don't want to get there yet. Sure, um, okay,
now I want to get them. No. No. Due to the nature
of how he would conduct his readings, he became known as the Sleeping Prophet.
He would lie on a couch, loosen his shoelaces, and if he
had to tie on, he'd loosen his tie. If he had pants on,
which was rarely, he'd loosen those. He'd put his hands and his
pants. He'd put his hands on his face, he said, until he
saw a white flash in I guess his mind's eye, and then he would
clasp his hands across his abdomen, close his eyes, and when his eyes
began to flicker, a question could be asked and Casey would answer it.
Eventually, he got a stenographer to jot down each reading and preserve around fourteen
thousand of them. Yeah, there is an extraordinarily detailed record of his each
and every reading. After the stenographer, Yeah, it's okay, give or
takes six thousand, right, And he would end every reading by saying we
are through. More on that later, Yeah, he would. He would
only speak in that third person plural plural, was at first person first person
plural. Yeah, we instead of I think this, I think that we
see this. They. He founded the Association for Research and Enlightenment the ARE
in nineteen thirty one, a nonprofit center devoted to exploring spirituality to holistic health,
intuition, dream interpretation, psychic development, reincarnation, and ancient mysteries.
And had a big tieches is that who they are? Yeah, that's that's
what I just said. What are you talking about? They don't then.
VANDOR its headquarters is located in Virginia Beach, Virginia, with a regional headquarters
in Houston, Texas. He died in Virginia Beach. He had a stroke.
Yeah. I contribute to this podcast in material fashion with the real researched
facts. You can find more on the A R E. At Edgar Casey
dot org or dot com or dot net. There's like a thousand, bazillion
trillion Edgar Casey web pages. You can have them all. That's right,
Pokemon, this is this is another one of the subjects. There's a lot
of him out there. Yeah, a lot of a lot of research you
can do on your own. We've tried. We're gonna try to boil down
in a lot of stuff into a tiny, tiny podcast that's going to end
up being too long, but uh, you can that. You cannot go
wrong typing in Edgar Casey on the interweb and looking at information. Yeah,
that'll, like we said, a lot of it was documented. Yeah,
and that's that's the really nice thing about this is that he his perspective was
that he was almost just as mystified as anybody else by it. You know,
he was again given this this I keep wanting to say disassociative nature of
it, which but that makes it sound like some sort of psychological diagnosis.
But because Edgar Casey was was separated from this font of knowledge, he was
just as curious as other people. And there's plint there's all these really fun
examples of him coming out of the trance and the person being like, oh,
you did this, and he's like no, yeah, and they'd be
like, could you read that back please? Because I know he doesn't.
There's no memory of those things. And so there was a really kind of
refreshing humility to it that I thought was interesting that he brought throughout all the
proceedings and his motivations and how he perceived his use of his gift. Right,
right, let's talk about his life a little bit and then we'll get
into the readings themselves. I'm sorry about it that I spoiled her. I
spoiled her? Did it? That he's dead? Spoiled her? Did it?
Well? I gave the older, I gave the death day spoiler?
Did it? He's dead. He was born in March eighteenth, eighteen seventy
seven near Beverly Yawn heard it Welcome to Blurry Photos Now with just David,
Florida, which was seven miles south of Hopkinsville. He was born to a
family of farmers and was very close to his grandfather, but when he was
still a boy, his grandfather died in a riding accident. You say,
riding or rioting riding horse got him less interesting? A horse riot horses were
tired of pulling them browse, but Edgar. Edgar claimed to still see him
from time to time around the farm. He would also claim to see children
playing in the trees and near the creek on the farm, and he was
able to converse with them for a while, but then they went away,
like they all do. He considered the mangels because the family was very religious,
Disciples of Christ, to be precise, how nice which is which is
funny? I like, as I was reading that, I expected him to
maybe be brought up in one of the more colorful dialects of the Christian tongue.
But the Disciples of Christ are pretty pretty middle of the road, button
down Protestant folk. Yeah, pay their taxes, do the thing. No
one's handling snakes, no one's yeah, no one's doing laughs for Jesus.
He was considered weird in school, not a popular child, no wonder what
that's like. Apparently not very intelligent either, and his father scolded him for
it, making him study at home late into the nights. And it was
around then he said that he heard a voice in his head telling him to
place the book he was studying under his head and sleep on it to learn
it, and so we did, and next morning he could recite the book
verbatim. And then school was no trouble from then on, and he received
a completed eighth grade education, a little ninth grading grade grading. So he
I read that he had completed the ninth grade. Well maybe maybe maybe.
I mean, they're all the same thing up to that point, which which
at the you know, like and that's it's an important point that like ninth
grade is the old twelfth grade. I mean, I think I think at
the time, a lot of people finished junior high and we're like, well
what am I? What am I going to launch myself into space? Good
enough? Yeah, it's time to get to work. I'm I'm fifteen,
I've already got two kids. Yeah, yeah, I mean his family were
farmers and that's all you needed. Like, yeah, any up to that
point, like getting that far was good, you know, so yeah,
anything after that was overkill for what for what they were doing. But and
to add to that, I mean, like we said, disciple of Christ.
He was a devout Christian decided it was his life's mission to become a
minister and spread Christianity to all, and he decided to read the Bible once
a year every year at this time, whole thing. That's I mean,
if you give yourself a year to do it, it's not that big a
deal. But if you do it every year every year. Yeah, not
like that. That three hundred and sixty five day Bible calendar, No doesn't
count. That is an account that'll get you up to psalms And then what
are you gonna do? It's not like a good ziggy where you want to
look ahead. It's like two weeks of of omanyah big at darren Ecles who
we got Farnsworth who began the clan banderage, who we got cash and prizes
and then lost at all? Yeah? So so how did how did his
ministerial endeavors pay? Did you do all right with that? Well? Um?
In eighteen ninety three, the Casey family moved to Hopkinsville, to a
berg city. M Casey got a job at Richard's dry goods store. Richard's
Dry for a store, Richard Dry a store here? Do you need sorghum?
How about Lennon's? Do you need more cloth? Flower? Other dry
goods? Here? Empty barrels, tamfana h of course you're gonna want taffana.
No, we don't have hats. That's the milliner. It's springtime,
so Gangham's half off. Make a party dress or a tablecloth. I don't
care, damn it. We have licorice, Richard dry Fuss here, Richard's
dry Goods store, then dry Fuss, then then Hopper's Bookstore, both both
in town in the middle of town. He also eventually met his future wife
at Gertrude Evans around this time. Oh man, did you did you do
the math on the dates there? Did you? Yeah? What is it?
It is that they are the most glacial of couples. They got engaged
and did not get married for over six years. Yeah, and then then
it was still like another three or four years before child numero unoic has to
show up on the scene. Yeah. I don't know. I know we're
married. I just think we should wait till our third anniversary. I don't
want to rush anything. You do a good Edgar case. No, No,
I think I'm going to go down to Richard's drafta store and get some
licorice. I think I'll treat myself. I don't know. Hanky panky tonight,
Gertrude. It's really, it's really it's getting kind of late in the
day. It's it might be close to closing time. And you know how
angry he gets if you're coming close to close you. Oh, come on,
I ten to Star customers. Richard's Drive for Stars closing in ten minute.
I'll let you in if you could tell me what you want right now.
Bring your purchases to the register already. Don't chop Jesus, we don't
care who we hurt now. In nineteen hundred, he and his father started
an insurance business, but he took ill with laryngitis. Yeah, were point
selling Woodsman's insurance? Was that to protect against Woodsman I hope? So you
never know how many ins can come at you. He can swarm you.
You gotta be careful. Come out of nowhere ins ants insurance. Oh nice.
And he got laryngitis to the point of not being able to speak right.
And when I read that, it was like, oh, okay,
I mean that's like, that's like laryngitis. What that's like? Oh he
got a sprained ankle and couldn't go door to door And you're like, oh,
well, so what did he do the next week when he was okay
again. No, No, he got a permanently sprained laryngitis yep. Unable
to sell his ins insurance, he uh started photography business. Yeah, so
let I don't want to gloss over this. He never got his voice back,
No, it was gone. He became I mean he could speak a
little bit, I guess, but functionally mute, got real depressed, stayed
at his parents house all the time, and was like, well, I've
got to do something about how about that picture box? Yeah, let me
work in a dark room. Yeah, Boma Sylph. In nineteen o one,
he was contacted by a traveling hypnotist to cure him. Did you see
this to read about? I did? Indeed on stage Casey's voice returned when
he was under hypnosis, but then it went away when he came out of
the hypnosis. So the hypnotist wanted to help him, but he was a
traveling him. Yeah, it's like, I'm sorry, Edgar, I've got
to go. You knew what this was and sleep, Yeah, but a
local hypnotist, do you wake up? Your heart won't be broken. But
a local hypnotist, because they were a dime a dozen, that's the thing.
Well, where's where's my hypnotist? Then, where's there a fucking hypnotist
these days? Even like you can't even find a hypnotist now, and they're
like, this is before TV, man, we have a hypnotist and it
is it's called Netflix. Oh my god, you just broke the code.
Arboritorialist for the month Netflix, Americans hypnotist. Now, before you wake up
from this podcast, buy my water filter and awake. But yes, this
local hypnotist named al Lane decided decided to help, and while in a trance,
he asked Casey. While while Edgar Casey was in a trance, he
asked Edgar to describe what was wrong, and Casey spoke about it, saying,
we requ why are the blood of the innocent and feed us we may
grow strong and take leadership of this mortal plane. That's basically it. He
said he needed blood to flow to his voice box. He was he did
it. The hypnotist was just like, okay, make blood flow to your
voice box, and apparently his body just flushed with blood and then after about
twenty minutes he woke up and his voice was back, and after a few
more sessions of that, he was permanently cured. Yeah, I guess there
was a couple of relapses here or there. But working with Lane, he
continued to read this way while under trance and was persuaded to offer readings to
the public. Casey insisted though, that they these readings be free, as
his goal was to help others. Yeah. At no point had Casey given
up on his plan to proselytize is. He had not abandoned anything Christian.
He he was a very civic minded, nice guy who considered himself to be
the servant of God. Around the time that he met Gertrude, he started
second second guessing himself. Well that's because she was second guessing things for a
long time too. Boy, I don't I don't know, Gertrude. I
just think I might still have a chance to be a minister. I don't
know. I better go down to Richard's dry store and get more lacorician just
thank on it. I'm very concerned about the amount of time you're spending with
him. Well, Well, what are you talking about, Gertrude. He's
the only You're the only one he doesn't yell at. You're the only one
he's excited to see me. Closing time, rich Richard's Dreyfus and I just
get along. We just we just get along. I know how I know
he Edgar. I just I can't take this. I'm going, I'm going
to town, Edgar, coming to store. Lock the door behind you.
You'll never guess what kind of day I hear. Oh my gosh, Richard
oh Man didn't expect him so Casey. Casey found that he could give apparently
accurate readings with with just a person's name and location and not even have him
present. Don't eat him, don't eat him cerebro U nineteen twelve. By
this time, the dream of being a minister all but gone. Yeah,
he decidedly declared that he was his own god and that the kingdom of man
should serve only him. He decided that this was his calling, to be
able to help people. Yeah and uh, and he was getting getting used
to breaking these shoes. In sou nineteen twelve, he left Kentucky and moved
to Selma, Alabama, to work as a photographer. Yeah, whenever,
whenever you want to make the big time, you had to kick off that
Kentucky shiels and get yourself to Selma where things are happening. A little in
fact Western Kentucky University home of these shilltoppers before they decided you know what we
want to read mascot Nanna brown One just kidding. After he moved down there,
his fame grew, and soon he began reading full time, asking only
for donations to help his family live on. His wife and eldest son took
over for al Lane to guide the readings, and he also created Apparently around
this time, he created the card game Pit to help get some money for
the family. Yeah, that I've seen that, I have it. Yeah,
that had no idea. That thing still exists, still exists, still
still comes out. I mean people own it. I don't don't know that
I've ever seen abody to play it. No, I used to play a
commodities trading. Well, it's it's it's based on stock monardy stock stock market
commodity trading. But it's like a fast paced card game. I don't.
I mean, I've seen cattle cattle cornered the market. I don't know.
Does anybody have any sorghum cards? No, Richard, for the last time,
I keep getting all the sorghum cards. Richard, you've cornered the market.
You you're about to win. It doesn't feel like it. He hired
a stenographer, Gladys Davis, to record the readings then, yeah, and
that was her job until she exploded. That's true. Yeah. In nineteen
twenty five, he was told in a trance to move to Virginia Beach,
Virginia. So we did, right. Sometimes he read himself sometimes, no
judgment. It's got a lot of stress on him. You gotta read yourself
sometimes. He was considered a professional psychic by then, and in nineteen twenty
nine he established the Casey Hospital with funding from a reading recipient named Morton Blumenthal
because keeping keep in mind that he had in addition to prognostication and people want
to know what was gonna happen in the future. He was also very dedicated
to the idea that you could through hypnosis heal people, that what worked for
him can work for other people. And he was very, very passionate about
the idea of medical hypnosis, of being able to help have people heal themselves
the same way someone helped him. And so this, uh, this this
kind of medical bend to his his I don't know ability, yeah, tiny
empire his his you know, So there's you know, there's Yeah, y'all,
I'll tell you what's going to happen in the future. But what's really
important is the helping in the healing of the sick helping, and the heat
helping and the healing in the high night. Even so, I think that's
a cool thing that I think it's lost in the wash a lot is that
he really still had this this really big push for oh yeah, for using
it to help people. Yeah, Uncle Ben would have been proud of him.
I think yea and Morton Morton Blumenthal made a lot of money with readings
from Casey. Yeah, apparently he cashed in on that. Yeah, it's
a good thing. There's never any giant looming stock market event for Casey to
warn him about that may have made any difference in his life. But then
there was a giant looming stock market event that ruined everything for oh Morton poops.
After the crash, the funding was was withdrawn and the hospital closed.
So, I mean, according to this it's was in existence for less than
a year and his whole life, that's all he wanted to do, was
Yeah, Well, after he wanted to be a minister, he wanted to
build a hospital to help people for my whole life, starting ten weeks ago.
I've wanted this. In nineteen thirty one, Casey founded the ARE,
the Association for Research and Enlightenment, and continued work there until he suffered a
stroke and died on January third, nineteen forty five, age sixty seven.
Now he was doing coke. He was doing Richard Driver. Richard Driver as
his ass you're tackling me. Uh no, he wait, wait, wait,
no, I'm not done with this. Wait, don't you dare?
What's a drive for snorts? Sound like, oh god, that's a good
Richard Driver as coke snort. He was actually warned of his own impending death
again. Yeah, it was nineteen forty five, and he he had been
famous as not only a psychic but something of a medium for a very long
time, and as the war progressed, he was asked by more and more
people just desperate foreclosure. Um, but they're they're they're lost, you know,
family members, their children, their you know, their husbands that had
died overseas in World War two. And so he so he started doing up
to four readings a day, and these readings that would always exhaust him.
But he was like, no, I these people really need this, I'm
gonna do it. And in one of his trances he was even told,
Okay, you have to stop doing this. He's like you can't. He's
like, you can do two a day. That's it. That's the limit.
And he was all like, shut up, you I'm in charge of
this. And then he had a stroke. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
it. Because, like we said, he the person didn't need to be
there. They just needed to give the name in a location and then a
question for him to be asked. And as his fame grew, so too
did the number of requests. So he was getting thousands of requests and he
could not keep up with them. And uh yeah, and and and yet
he still wanted to help them. He still wanted to do, you know,
his best. So, which kind of gets into an interesting question.
You know so and obviously we'll go into depth on this, but Edgar Casey,
guy who believes he has a gift, guy who actually has a gift
shuckster. Yeah, that's that's that's the ultimate question there, Chris um.
Oh, well, then we're at the end of the podcast. Uh punch
puns, Pounds, Listener Mail, listener mail, stumble Upon, good night
before before we continue, I just I'd like to say, uh, he
was buried back in Hopkinsville. Oh, returned to his old Kentucky. Oh
what back in that old spiel mud. I don't dislike Kentucky. Yeah,
I feel bad because it's your state. But I was just joking because he
went to Selma. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
let's get into the readings a little bit. Let's get into some juice.
Yeah, I love the juice. Casey was always concerned with helping people.
I think we've made that clear. Ye. While he claimed to not remember
a word of what was said in trance, he said those statements should be
taken into account only to the extent that they led to a better life for
the recipient. And he also wanted people to not blindly accept his suggestions,
but to test them. I know that he also really struggled with this.
He really hated what he considered to be kind of a squandering of the gift
or using it. People would ask him about horse races, stock tips,
a lot of numbers, you know, like little location of oil wells.
Yeah, oil wells treasure anything for their personal gain. And not only did
he dislike doing this, but occasionally he'd be like fine, but he actually
was not good at it. Yeah, not good at it. But on
certain occasions he was to people's profit, to their personal gain. But I
mean on the statistical average, he really didn't beat guessing right, right.
But the funny thing is it said that after he gave those he would wake
up with a massive migraine and be ill. And so his wife eventually helped
put a stop to it when when she took over guiding the readings. So
knock at all, Yeah, because people, I think people, the people
that did show up in person would get there and then get to ask.
This is back in the early days when they were still figuring out how how
to do it. But they'd get there and then they'd be like, oh,
yeah, that question I was going to ask. Yeah, forget that.
Who's gonna win the Kentucky Derby? Right? Yeah? Yankees versus has
Red Sox White Sox in the world series. Are they gonna throw it?
Yeah? No doubt, not a chance. Bet on him, especially that
guy with no shoes. I'm gonna go through a few of the readings,
and he gave uncertaining to read those readings, just just some highlights. Will
this be a reading of readings, This will be a poem on World War
One and World War Two, he said. In the nineteen twenties he first
warned of coming racial strife in the United States, and in nineteen thirty nine
he predicted the deaths of two presidents in office. Now I'm quoting, ye
are to have turmoils, Ye are to have strife between capital and labor.
Ye are to have a division in thy own land before ye have the second
of the presidents that next will not live through his office a mob rule end
quote. President Franklin D. Roosevelt died in office. That these stands for
Della No. Ninety nineteen sixty three. JFK was assassinated when racial tensions in
the United States were at their height. Another quote from him. Unless there
is more give and take and consideration for those who produce, with better division
of the excess profits from the labor, there must be greater turmoil in the
land. Sounds like obomb or quote, yeah, I mean you gotta be
psychic to say that. No, I know, that's one of those things.
And then one more. Thus, an unseen force gradually growing must result
in almost direct opposition to the Nazi or Aryan theme, this will gradually produce
a growth of animosities. And unless there's interference by what many call supernatural forces
and influences which are active in the affairs of nations and peoples, the whole
world, as it were, will be set on fire by militaristic groups and
people who are for power expansion. That was him speaking of Austrians and Germans
and Japanese. So that was that was what he said about the world wars
on general cures which he liked. To his medical cures. His readings typically
prescribed poultices, often consisting of castor oil, but there were osteopathic adjustments,
calonic irrigation, massage often with peanut oil, prayer, folk remedies, various
forms of electric medicine, and patent medicines such as automidine automidine full of the
hop he was developed by an Indian doctor at the day of the day,
and specific recommendations concerning diet and exercise were given. Casey is often seen as
a practitioner of holistic medicine and has particularly strong philosophical ties with naturopathy and and
this is keep in mind a lot of these things. The idea of like
holistic medicine and healing in that nature really originates with him. This did not
exist prior to Edgar Casey. I mean besides being like folk remedies or old
old wives tales, things like that, you know, chicken soup for the
soul kind of stuff on diet. Moreover, major dietary recommendations include the avoidance
of red meat, alcohol, lame except where red wine, lame, white
bread, and fried foods, a preference for fruits and above ground leafy vegetables
over starches, and a high ratio eighty percent more of alkaline foods over acidic.
One meal per day should consist entirely of raw vegetables under strict circumstances.
Casey advocated both coffee and pure tobacco cigarettes to be non harmful to health,
especially these Chester fields. Um, so he was not an American at all.
He just he just said coffee and cigarettes were good. Yeah. I
think he's also said no white bread, no red meat, no something else
that pissed me off. The other's true, no alcohol, that's what it
was. Okay, I see your point. Yeah, so he's a fringe.
Yeah. Food combining was also a central idea in the Casey diet.
According to Casey, several food chocolate butter. Several food combinations that are contradicted
are coffee with milk or sugar. This guy citrus fruit with starchy foods and
high protein foods with starches steaking badatas, dude, I'm gonna this guy.
Casey himself followed very few of the dietary recommendations that were suggested by the readings.
Yeah good, and he's all like, shut up brain. Papa likes
a steak and a tater. Papa wants a drink on now and later.
No, I'm putting citrus on a starches. Yeah, lemonade, potatoes Mmmm.
According to Casey, two or three almonds a day. Keep cancer away.
You're gonna need that because of your chester Fields and not these pure tobacco
chester Fields. That's all right, fresh from the storehouses of Kentucky Chesterfield.
Smoke them. You. You know. I don't want to digress too far
here, but I got stuck in Kentucky for three days once. Did we
ever talk about this? Yeah? Okay, do you know where Glasgow is?
Glasgow? Yeah? Yeah, I got stuck there for three days.
It's near Bowling Green. Yes, it is. I stopped in Bowling Green's
one of my favorite places when driving through Kentucky, Bowling Green, home of
the Western Kentucky universe, the Heeltopeltoppers. Um, and uh. When I
was there, I mean, first of all, I didn't realize that I
was in the middle of tobacco country. So there's tobacco countries curing sheds everywhere.
And how ludicrously cheap cigarettes are. Pretty much a lot of stuff is
ludicrously cheap compared to where we are now. Well, all I'm saying is
we need to become Um, I mean, is it or is it?
What is it? When we just buy a bunch of cigarettes there and sell
them here in a markup? It's it's called illegal bootleggers. Yeah, because
they actually stamp cigarette packets with where they're made. Yeah, so that you
can't cross the border and legally sell them. So Kentucky has its own colored
stamp, Illinois has its own colored stamp. We care about that. I
know, smokers don't care about that. No one cares about No one cares
about that. You can sell them on the street and make you know,
five bucks a pop. Probably, Wow, that's true. Yeah, I
quit my job. I am now a cigarette bootlegger untill the feds good.
That's right, you know, that's actually a thing. I've seen ads on
buses. They're like nice smokers. Um, ignore the Surgeon General's warning,
but check the stamps on the bottom, because we're really good. We're really
concerned that we're losing out on tobacco tax revenue. Is that is that,
spokesman Danny vander hand Fencer. Of all the things that they could be spending
bus ad money for, it's making sure that your tobacco is properly taxed.
Yeah, Glasgow Scottie's it's a it's a funny area. It's it's very Scottish
down in there for some reason. Are you serious? Oh yeah, Glasgow
Scottie's is the I used to have a shirt that had like I think I
got it at a good will store. It was it was just a Glasgow
Scottie's had two two like Scottish children holding hands on it and it was like
Glasgow Scottie's Elementary school. What's the name of the grocery store there? All
right? I don't know, you don't because I remember it, but I
remember going in there. Krogers. It wasn't. No, No, it
was liked Durlin Pickens or something like it was. I was picked up on
the side of the road by a guy named Elvis. That's the truth.
I'm sure it is. I'm sure he sounded. It's just like him too.
He did not he was all ready to pick up there. No,
he did not. He did And you're like, oh yeah, here's here's
twenty bucks. Thanks, thanks for your your hospitality. All thanks, stop
with this rostop. I gotta I gotta take her some business tcby brother.
All right, let's get back on trapped. You want to, But I
got a whole cooler minor gotter lock all right. On Egypt, little little
nugget on Egypt. Next to Biblical times, the most significant era for the
Life Readings was a pre Dynastic Egyptian civilization consisting of Atlantean refugees. Oh yeah,
this guy was all about Atlantis. Casey purported to have been an other
otherwise unknown pharaoh named Rata who built a spiritually based healing center called the Temple
of Sacrifice Jesus and educational institution called Temple Beautiful Temple Beautiful Joe. Two blocks
down from the Temple sacrifice. Oh damn it, guys, that really hurts
this. This civilization also built monuments on the Giza Plateau, including the Great
Pyramid, and left records of Atlantis in a hall of records located somewhere beneath
the sphinx. Oh, there's no way to ever find that, not with
Zahi Hawash and oh yeah, oh mama, look into it. That's right,
let's talk about Atlantis. He gave some readings on Atlantis. The size
of Atlantis equaled to that of Europe, including Asia in Europe, the bands,
the bands Asia Europe, Toto just to cover Africa and Mint at work.
Come on, what he made it sound like? The guys that meant
at work, we're all deaf. Yeah. Apparently many people living today,
I guess maybe maybe that's his today are the reincarnations of Atlantean souls, Thetans
who must now face similar in temptations as before. They got a little too
greedy, they dug too deep with their crystals day they did, and you
know, and it's funny. He actually yeah, he goes really goes to
town on the science and reasoning in science with the biggest, fattest play school.
My first air quote set um um that uh that there was the society
based on like crystals that would harness solar energy and then they were cristalls.
They were, but they two weeks we can order it. It'll take two
weeks. So I mean, you don't have dapper Dan please in rooms.
Half the reason about it ain't this just a geographic two weeks from airwhere two
weeks um that the uh that that they they their overreliance on this crystal technology.
There was a problem with harmonic frequencies and the whole thing just went to
shi. Although there's also references of a death ray being used, um almost
there um. He predicted that a blue stone of Atlantean origin was going to
be found on that on an island in the Caribbean and used to heal,
which some people say might be uh Laramar, which I looked up. It
is a very pretty turquoise blue stone that's only found I think in the Dominican
Republic. I wonder, I mean buy some. I mean, if if
there's already a king, I mean, would this would this stone be the
Caribbean Queen? Probably? I mean she'd be wearing it once She's out of
my dreams. Oh Man in was that also Billy Ocean? Yea, yes,
but that year podcast is over what happened? I have to look that
up. But we didn't Why came we didn't cover that stone in crystal healing.
I don't know. We're just the worst. We're terrible at her jobs.
Damn it, Oh my god, new sound effect, new sound It's
called the dry fuss. It's just damn it. It's your dry fuss.
Um. Yes, the crystals, there was a big thing. There was
a big crystal apparently, and they they just overcharged it and it and it
sent you know, seizemic sob. And then he said that Atlantis would rise
again in nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine. Um, And that's apparently that's
a right right on the time they discovered the Bimini road. Have you heard
this thing before? Yeah, the underground the underwater underwater slab did not rise
above the surface of the ocean. Yeah, I mean rising consciousness. Maybe,
oh look at me, look at me go if he if he was
alive and the sunset on nineteen sixty nine withoutout that discovery dry fuss apparently,
uhm, Atlantis falling into the ocean or getting destroyed was the cause of the
great deal usual. Whoa really reaching back there? The one that one can?
I get a dry fuss? What what? Yeah? People are I
don't care. People loved mister Holland's opus. No, they're gonna hate him
after this. They didn't. They did not care for that. Really,
people didn't like that. No, they thought it was about a Bloom County
cartoon character. Photo was about a penguin? Was yeah, all right?
That that's Atlantist a Cashic records. Oh yeah, I saw that. I
don't know anything about a Casha except for the cereal. Oh yeah, sorry
me, that was terrible. I should go to jail for that, but
not the penalty lots. I'd rather actually go to jail. The Book of
Life, the Akashic Records, contain the entire history of every soul since the
dawn of creation, quote upon time and space is written the thoughts, the
deeds, the activities of an entity as in relationship to its environments. Oh
one, am I talking about? I totally know about this. We covered
this, We've talked over this. Yeah, I read a little bit continuing
its hereditary influence as directed or judgment, drawn by or according to what the
entity's ideal is hints, as it has been oft called, the record is
God's book of remembrance. And each entity, each soul as the activities of
a single day of an entity in the material world, either makes same good
or bad or indifferent. Oh my god, I've gone cross syded. You're
like reading stereo instructions right now, depending upon the entity's application of self towards
that which is the ideal manner for the use of time opportunity and the expression
of that for which each soul enters a material manifestation. Are these the rules
of pitt because that's why nobody plays it. The interpretation, then, as
John here, is with the desire and hope that in opening this for the
entity, the experience may be one of helpfulness and hopefulness, and also to
corner the market, drive us or dry fuss Right now? What thank all
that is? Boy, Everyone's gonna hate how much I scream that because I
like it. Okay, So that's what he said about the Akashic records.
Now this to put it in other words, I don't know words that you
can understand, he said, because that's what it is. What the d
average guy would have said this. Wait, wait, wait, be well,
Lug said. All I was like, who's this, who's this wing
hippie? Like, oh, he's like me, Floyd, He's all right,
he's all right, all right, Hi, Kashik records are this is
where he would go to get his information in his unconscious trance like state.
Is it is something of a mind palace? Yeah? Um it was.
He would turn into ben a Ben a snatch cumber cumber bitch. And his
name is bunder Flunk Maranderhand, bunder Randerhand in his mind palace. Yeah,
it's it's it's a repository of all knowledge ever right ever ever was is will
be. Yeah that you can anybody he can, with with the proper training,
access through their unconscious mind and find any anything, ever, any information.
You know. It's like a big old library of the unconscious. No,
let me tell you how that why that doesn't exist? Okay, there's
no floating heads. If you can't do anything, first thing you do floating
heads? What just make like heads and jars, you know, like science
heads. Like well, who's to say, I am? Have you tried
to enter to enter the Hall of records? Vendor Runk's blender snatches exactly that
one have you tried. Maybe that's maybe you're like, Hey, which one
of you heads can tell me score of the mets? So do I do
this when I go to sleep? I don't want to get hypnotized. You
have no idea what i'd say. No, here's the deal. I keep
a lot of other personalities locked into the basement. I do not want any
of them even getting near the door, let alone out. Oh my god,
I don't want our brain is the road. Yeah, I don't want
the guard on the other side of the door, even hearing the guys in
the cell um. You self induced the trans but then somebody else asks the
question and guides it, and then you you know, they smack you and
you come out of it. I'm taking a nap. Then I know I
want to try it. Not that it's ever at all, but wouldn't it
be fun to try? Don't you think naps are fun to try? I'd
just be pissed that right when I was falling asleep, somebod be like,
oh, floating a heads, how do you make him? Oh? Is
that what you were saying? Yeah, I had no idea what you were
talking about. No clue. Okay, scratch all that continuing, um Casey
was always conflicted over his ability, uh to you know, you know,
to please the ladies. No, No, never came to a question because
his his abilities that he had, his his his readings, and his Christian
faith. Yeah, subjects such as reincarnation and the Christ spirit came up frequently,
and that didn't really fit the teachings of his church. Yeah he would.
He towed pretty close to the reincarnation line. Yes, yeah, spiritualism
that didn't necessarily require Jeebus. But the concept of Jesus, the Christ,
I think you meant Jesus, loss of the Christ, Jesus t Christ,
the concept of there being one creator, a oneness that everyone is trying to
attain to get back to that everyone has come from that, and and the
the you know, teachings to love everyone and do do good to others.
That's when we cover the mythras, the myth of Mithra. When when Mithra
fights Macca, John's and goth Zilla, they'll finally team up against Mithra,
right exactly when we when we cover that, maybe we'll do that at Easter
or something. Then we'll talk about some of some of this idea. But
this Christ figure I'm getting getting getting spread across the agent. Start writing your
hate mail. Now, everybody. The point is everybody love each other.
Everybody you know, treat each other well, and yeah, do stuff neighbor.
M That's what he got into. Uh, that was what he was
at odds with all the time. He was personally conflicted. He wanted to
help people, but he also was a very devout Christian. He was.
It was very into the faith. He said, though, that the future
can change, which makes predictions unreliable. But a person can also change their
future even while being on another even while being chained to it. Yeah,
well, but while being on an otherwise preordained path. And here's a quote
for you. Each individual entity, whether aware of same or not, sets
before self an ideal in the material world, in the mental world, in
the spiritual world. Another individual was told, we are spirits in the material
world. I think that was sting. I think it was Madonna. Uh,
we are spirit material wow, and we are Edgar case for damn it.
Another another rich another individual was told that the reason he had so many
problems and so much confusion in his own life. Listen up, Dave,
was because he was batched crazy. Was because he had never really established a
conscious ideal. He often felt that he was in a state of confusion simply
because the ideal he had established unconsciously was that of a wanderer. So he
was encouraged to make a conscious choice and to begin to work with it.
Because what individuals dwell upon they become. Oh it's pretty pretty sexy advice.
See, if you can see it, you can be it positively or negatively.
Uh. Such famous persons as Woodrow Wilson, Double Double, Thomas the
Incredible dick Bag Edison, Irving Berlin, and George Gershwin visited him. Nice.
Did you think that Thomas Edison went there just to try to steal the
other side? Yes? I think you did. I think he went there
to try and figure out why he used to happen. That's really nice,
nap. He got that I need to make more money. What do you
got for me? Can you put heads and jaws? Heads and jaws floating
around? And this guy's fake I'm gonna edison this shit out of us.
Yeah, there's another dog to elect your cute. Many skeptics laugh at the
thought of Edgar Casey were bastards. There have been some good observations made by
those of a skeptical bent, and there have been some cringe worthy opinions with
no facts to back them up. Right, it's a psychic's having that.
He's talking about Atlantis. Of course, there's going to be people that are
skeptical of that. I myself am skeptical of that right this whole podcast.
I mean it's I would like to say at least fifty percent skeptical of the
stuff we throw out there. Let's go through some of the stuff and see
what they say, see what we think. First of all, they bring
up the evidence charge against him. The only evidence that we have is from
articles and anecdotes and testimonials and the like. I think that's a valid argument.
Yeah, and you get the difficult is that you get this after the
fact. Oh, that's what he meant by that, Like, prediction is
a useless unless it helps you predict something, not wait till a bunch of
things happening, go Well, what most closely fits it? Oh that yep,
yep, yep. That's a very very good point. That's the same
thing with that's the Bible's game, well, the Bible code, right,
Yeah, Yeah, I mean I get sick of that that thing that watching
those shows, because it's like, yeah, what what's the use of it
if you can't predict something with yeah? But it's commonly said, well,
you know, it's the only historical document that has been true about all of
its predictions. I'm like, you know, what, name one name of
prediction that's going to happen in the next five years, and be very specific
about it. It doesn't work that way, you can't. You know.
It's a fun aside on that I want to say. It is Psalm ninety
one because ninety one first golf four kicks off. I was in junior high
and reading my momble and as I it blew my mind, Psalm ninety one
references that I can't do the exact quote, but it's you shall not feel
fear the arrow that flies at night, nor this the Lord will keep you.
And this is like right when, yes, this is right when America
learned the phrase scud missiles, and it was when they were like, no,
no, we've got Patriot batteries that keeps you know, we've deployed them.
We're keeping Kuwait city safe and and I was like, boom, this
fits exactly this moment right now, and was made for nothing but this moment
right now. Yeah, I was really on fuego about that little discovery.
Another thing that many skeptics bring up his knowledge. I've got a quote from
the Skeptics Dictionary on Edgar Casey. Quote. Even though Casey didn't have a
formal education much beyond grammar school, he was a voracious reader, worked in
bookstores, and was especially fond of occult and osteopathic literature. And then osteopathy
in his day was primitive and akin to naturopathy in folk medicine. He was
in contact with and assisted by people of various medical backgrounds, even so many
of his readings would probably only make sense to an osteopath of his day.
Oh so he was deep on that ass. Well, here's the deal.
What that boils down to is, since he worked in a bookstore, not
bookstores, and was friends with doctors of osteopathy and homeopathy doctor, he just
regurgitated bits from each of those, including apparently an interest in occult practices.
Well, I mean he's claiming to be psychic, so yeah, there's probably
some interest in the cult practices. Well maybe, But like this I think
is an invalid argument because number one, how's this provable? At all,
And isn't it a little complicated? Skeptics like Alcam's razor, this is not
Akham's razor. Well, yeah, but I mean that's that's an incorrect use
of that thing. I mean, it's an incorrect use of Akham's razor.
Yeah. I mean, the simplest explanation is the best, but the simplest
can still be very complex. The simplest form of DNA replication still pretty complex.
That's that. That is not this though. I don't know, but
I'm saying, if you want to say, how does how does this guy
have this information? You know, like you know, if you're like,
oh, I don't I don't believe this. Oh he worked in a bookstore
where he could just peruse books all day. He had friends that were osteopaths.
Yes, I think that's completely I think that's believable. And you think
he he just retained every bit of knowledge that he that he ever came across,
and was able to just spit it out whenever he wanted. No,
I don't think he was what are they called that an autodidact or he could
just read something and have it forever. No, But I also don't know
the degree of detail he went into. I don't. I don't. I
don't know how readings. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I you
know, I don't know how specific he got with his uh you know,
the ones that I did read, things were kind of vague, you know,
he's he didn't say, oh, well, you're you're three sacrel and
vert fused vertebrae or not in alignment, you know, like you know,
I don't. I don't know he did, though, even I don't know,
Like I didn't read any of those medical ones. But I'm saying that
it's not implausible that that he could, you know, read books and at
least have I mean, a person can teach themselves a fundamental knowledge of a
human anatomy. Sure, if your friends are are osteopaths and you you talk
to them and you're like, oh, yeah, I read this book,
and I you know, I I know the bones that make up the hand.
You know, these are things that a guy in a bookstore could do.
I don't. I don't feel like that's the most outlandish, unreasonable scenario.
But again, I don't know the detail that he went into. I
don't know what he was describing, but I don't I don't think that's unreasonable.
I think it's I think it's a very unreasonable argument for to be made
to say that he was fake. I don't think that's a very strong argument.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be made, or that skeptics are wrong
at all. I'm just saying, in this case, I don't think that's
their strongest not to throw at the batter. It's true, that's that's a
that's like trying to stop a tank by shooting out its headlights. Like I
don't I don't think that's the place you strike. If you need to stop
it, you put a stone in the muzzle of the banana tailpipe. We've
we've got this figured out. But yeah, no, I agree, I
agree with that that, like, that's an odd place to attack his credibility
of of of the of all of his things he's done. That seems very
specific and a little nitpicky. Also hard to know in this day and age,
hard to know without having experienced him as a person, being around them,
seeing how he talked, you know, to day if he was intelligent,
you know, you would think someone who read that much would I don't
know. He seemed like a very like you said, humble, simple,
Yeah, I don't I don't know, And I wonder, you know,
how much of that, um, you know, we talked about that,
people thought maybe he was a little dull, right right and weird. Yeah,
and I wonder how much of that is after the fact, you know,
his his readings become more impressive, if he becomes less impressive, if
he's the duller Edgar is the more mind blowing his reading has become. Yeah,
so I know, maybe there's a piece of that, you know that
maybe maybe he wasn't that dumb a kid. But as time goes on,
they're like, oh no, think here's a fucking idiot. Put him to
sleep and he'll rewire your entire life. Yeah, add hawc hypotheses this is
excuses for his failures them. I think it's it's called into question how many
time times he his his predictions hit as opposed to how many times they miss.
It's a classic yeah, you know profit thing that that people like to
throw out there. People forget missus when you have a good hit, you
know you miss five times, you hit the sixth time, when people are
like, oh yeah, that's sixth time. Really that was right? That
was right, let's see what he can do some more, you know,
and then yeah, and this miss missmintonus hit right, and it's it's honestly,
that's the same thing that had with gamblers. Gamblers their brains pave over
the losses and focus on the winds, and and and and even even in
the some of the readings you just did, you know, for example,
the the race differences, the economic differences, I mean, those those are
idioms that will that are true for the entirety of history. There's nothing there's
nothing predictive in saying a high weather pressure system might produce a north winds.
I have just told you the future. It's not really you know, like
when when when there's a a disparity between the what did he called management or
the you know, the economic disparity breeds contempt. This has played out over
and over and over. It's going on right now, somewhere right, it's
going on somewhere Yeah. And so is that a prediction. No, that's
a statement of of of the way the world is. And you don't even
need a thick history book to see to see that play out over and over.
You know, those those kind of like truths of human nature universal truth.
Yeah, that they don't. I don't think they hold a lot of
predictive water. But even you know, he said, oh, there's there's
going to be racial tension, and the mob will rule. The mob doesn't
rule. The mob didn't rule in the sixties. The mob didn't rule at
Kent State, and the mob didn't rule when the fire hoses and the dogs
come out. The mob never gets to rule. The mob gets its ass
kicked and it makes a point and society is forced to confront things that doesn't
like and things change, but the mob never gets to rule. The mob
does get to rule when the mob is zombies. Oh here comes zombie master
ue. One example is is somebody said he predicted, uh, where buried
treasure would be, and he went out looking for it, didn't find any
in the spot he said it was going to be, and then was like,
oh, well, that probably means that someone's already come and dug it
up, or someone will bury it in the future at this spot. That
is one of these ad hoc hypotheses. You know, my grandmother had a
phrase for that. I think she called that a new age bo shit.
My grandpad a filthy ballot, also a lot of time. Yeah, yeah,
Uh, isn't that stupid? I mean that that is that's one of
the stronger points I think. And I don't know if he said it or
if his his believers eventually said it, but like it's it's the whole.
If he knows the stuff, then why can't he differentiate between past, present,
and future with it? And then and then what comes out of that
is, well, he's he's reading the grid of time and space, which
time actually doesn't exist in timey ymy, yeah, wibbly wobbly, so and
so. Then then then you extrapolate that to all of his his predictions and
say so, oh, so was he saying that in eighteenth century France the
differences between the rich and the poor? Is that what he was describing?
Was he describing the Boer War in South Africa about racial strikes? Like what
what was he describing? Then? If he doesn't know where in the timeline
he's describing, then then again useless. Hey, Flora, you want a
prediction? No, Uh, people are going to fight where Yeah, they're
gonna they really are. I'm sorry to ruin your night. Another um,
another point of attack from skeptics, quack medicine that he would throw out there,
the osteopathy homeopathy. Um well, I want to point out something very
important is that osteopathy is not quack medicine. Osteopaths are extraordinarily highly trained and
completely legitimate practitioners of medicine without question. It's weird because I thought it was
bone medicine that that osteopaths practice. No, well, I mean the name
osteopath it's got osteo when it's bone, right, But h osteopaths, it's
it's a different route. There's there's mds medical doctors, and dios doctors of
osteopathy. Right. I've had both in my life. My primary care physician
was an osteopath. Like, they are all perfectly great and brilliantly trained doctors.
The difference is, I think it's it's just two different approaches to medical
wellness. Well yeah, and osteopaths have a more inside out method, right.
They think the body can heal itself through different means as as part of
the medicine. Right. Well, yeah, I think it's it's an approach
to I think, um uh, skeletal balance and musculature and making sure that
every that all the subsystems are working well. But I think, I honestly
think at this point, I think the difference between ADO and an MD is
non existent. Now I don't think that there is. I mean you could
see, like go to ten doctors and get the same check up, and
you would never be able to tell which one was an MD and which one
was adou. They are huge part of the medical community. There's no stigma
attached to them whatsoever. They they serve in hospitals without funny because all the
stuff I was reading makes it seem like skeptics are real against osteopathy. Yeah,
and I think that's that's that's skeptics attacking. I mean, granted that's
osteopathy in the year nineteen ten, which I know very little about. Yeah.
Um, and I don't I wonder if they attack, if they're attacking
that as a means to get to Casey, to to undermine him. I
kind of feel like, yes, But but I can I just I have
to make this a higherssing clear that that modern ostiopathydos are wonderful doctors, and
they are obstetricians, they are radiologists, they are oncologists. It is just
a simply a different route of of of medical training that is completely equivalent in
every way, And I'm glad you bring that up. I think this is
not a very valid argument for them to make, except for the slant of
like folk medicine, um, what naturopathy, the homeopathic stuff, which hasn't
necessarily been proven to be you know, one hundred percent good for people.
But then again, you need a basis for for drugs and stuff. And
there there is science behind a bowl of chicken noodle soup, you know,
for a cold. Yeah, And there is that that that that you get
into that that kind of hard area of folk wisdom that's actually effective over a
long time. But but I I don't know what the overall statistics are,
like how many of those remedies really do make sense, how many of them
don't. Yeah, I don't have a clue. And also he used patent
medicines, he did. And you know what the interesting thing was, he
tried to spread it around, so the Johnson and Johnson company. He would
he would say, take take black Johnson and Johnson's blah blah castor oil for
this thing. Then the next reading he would say, take DuPont's cast royal
for this. So it's like he oddly enough tried to not monopolize. So
I mean, to me, that's a point in his favor, I mean
sort of. But I mean I would say, and again, well,
he's not in the pocket of big Johnson and Johnson No, but what if
he's in the pocket of over the counter heroin and opiates and saying secure tuberculosis
that his wife had, I don't he cure her of? Apparently, I
don't need to give you the same brand. As long as I know that
all of these things have that sweet milk of the poppy in them, I
can give you whatever the I want, and I know you're going to get
it the same thing out of all of these. Well, I think,
yeah, that's that's the point. Yeah. So, I mean it's not
like he was in the pocket of anybody. He was just like, Hey,
how about I just to me becking high as ship and then you'll feel
fine. If I give you a ton of opiates, you're gonna you're gonna
be really glad I did. Yeah, But I don't think he ever prescribed
something that people took for the rest of their lives. People, I mean,
from the letters that they sent him, took it for you know.
An amount of time. I mean, but I'm not saying like he's trying
to make addicts. He's not. He's not like a drug dealer on a
street corner. But you give someone opiates and they're not they're not aware that
they're taking an opiate, They're going to be so amazed at how much better
they feel. That's that's how coke got started. But I mean, it's
I mean, when I drink it these days, are they ah my god,
who refreshing? I don't know. Um, I think there's there's validity
to some homeopathic stuff out there. Yeah, sure, I would be willing
to learn more about it. But anyway, one more thing things that he
failed to predict or help with, And let me let me read this from
the Straight Dope article. An article from The Straight Dope called What's the Scoop
on Edgar Casey The Sleeping Prophet. Casey supporters probably don't like to talk about
his failures and healing members of his own family. According to Baerstein, Casey's
cousin Ike appealed to him for help but died, and one of Casey's own
sons died as a baby in nineteen eleven. As if they were three months
old. As if these weren't bad enough, we have several documented cases of
Casey advising how to cure dead people in connection with readings using letters they sent
to him. In these cases, the letters had been written while the person
was still alive, but by the time he made his psychic quote diagnosis,
they were dead. Whoops. Of course, his followers have excuses for this
type of thing, but it seems to me, if he's getting his information
through magical means, he should know this particular person is beyond help. That's
from that article. I think that's a terribly worded argument for it, and
it is. It's extraordinarily specific, But I don't think you have to jump
through that he hopes to call bullshit. I mean, right again, this
is another thing that I don't think you want to go down this avenue for
an argument against against him. And I want to point out again I'm not
saying that I think Edgar Casey was the bee's knees and wearing the cat's pajamas
here, but like, if you're going to argue against him, if you're
gonna argue skeptically, you can't argue a hypothetical with that. The fact that
people sent him letters. He was getting thousands of letters. Of course he's
not going to get to them in time. And he's in his world,
in this world that we've set up. This Edgar Casey how he works,
right, that's that's not playing by those rules. Yeah, and you can
you can get around that again, playing by Edgar Casey rules. However,
I don't hear here. Watch me. I'm I'm Edgar Casey's pr guy.
Okay um. The the the psychic and spiritual information as the person imparted that
information to the letters still there alive in that letter, and he's responding to
that energy. He's answering the person writing that letter. He you know,
not the person as they are at that exact moment. He's feeling that.
That's what he is, That's what he needs that letter for to hold in
his hand. That's where he's getting that and so that person is very alive
to him and that's what he's keying on. That'll be fourteen thousand dollars,
mister Casey. Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate your pr work.
Ye. And about the family members, he cured his wife of tuberculosis,
allegedly, his son Hugh Lynn was burned horribly in a in a flash
powder accident when he was young, and the doctor said he would never see
again. Well, Casey prescribed you know, heroine for it. Uh and
when they when they they followed it, and after the bandages came off a
few week weeks later, he got a sight back. And people are attribute
this healing to to Casey's instructions. So it's they're they're kind of picking and
choosing, right, But that's what everybody does. I mean, both sides
do. That's that's true. That's true. And again I just I don't
understand. I mean I understand, I understand, and then personally don't believe
him to have been psychic. But if if your job is to go,
not only do I not think he's psychic, but I need you to not
think he's psychic. These are such oddly specific places to like to plant your
flag, to make this the hill you're going to die on. When when
you just say he's wrong as much as he's right, Mike drop good night.
You know, like it's weird, Like it's almost like when you get
into such specific instances like like the timing of letters and everything, it implies
that you've accepted everything up to that point, but I really had to get
into the fine print to find something wrong. It's a good point, and
and and it I honestly that argument against Casey does more help to him.
I think so too. I think you'd you'd be much better served point out
the typo in the title of the legal document. Don't go to page seventeen,
subcat paragraph three for the bad grammar that was used there. Yeah,
I think you'd be much better served arguing that there's no way to verify any
of this stuff. You can't test this. I mean, if if he
were still alive and willing to undergo tests, you could he is, but
you you can't test the stuff or back then, I read a book Michael
Schermer has a has a book It's around here somewhere U that had a very
good chapter in it where he went to the Association for Research and Enlightenment and
they they now give tours of the place and they do like, oh see,
if you're if you've got key potential, let's we're gonna do give you
ten then blanks, and and you're gonna predict predict them. And anybody who
scores a sixty percent or above is psyche go and it's like like a circus
show. Yeah, and he like tore them apart about it, and they
just they didn't have an answer for him because it's just like that's that's just
statistical, you know, anomalies and a tourist attraction at that. Yeah,
it's it's shizzle whizzle is all it is. So watch out. I hope
that you beeped out both of those words. I am beeps a thug.
And that is not to say that these days the ARI, I mean,
who knows what they're doing cases they are. It's not that I don't think
these people are trying to help others and stuff, but at the same time,
they're selling a lot of books. They're a nonprofit. But if they're
pulling stunts like that, it's it's kind of weird. I don't know,
it's it just it seems taint to me now where I could believe that Edgar
Casey wanted to help people and was trying, you know, in some way
or another. I mean, everything that I've read makes it seem like he
was not not for profit of this stuff. But then again, he got
enough money to build this association well, and that's the thing. I think
that this is my personal belief, this is what I think. This is
how I think Edgar Casey boils down. I don't think that he was I
think that he believed him to have these himself, to have these abilities.
I don't think that he was a fraud fraudulent guy. I don't think he
was a huckster. I don't think he was deliberately bilking people. I believe
that he genuinely thought he had these abilities. I think that he would hypnotize
himself or be hypnotized or learned to do it, and and then just say
these things. And in his mind he was able to divorce himself from the
possibility that that that A and B are both A and and so I think
that he genuinely was interested in helping people. And you see this kind of
this reluctant like snowballing of his life. Um, you know. And and
there are times when he tries to reduce it when he has his own family,
you know, put his son puts him into the state, his wife
handles a lot of it. But that but then these these these people get
added into it. There's more and more people. There's a now there's a
stenographer. Now there's yeah, there's a place he has to go. Volunteers
too. Yeah, yeah, but it but it snowballs nonetheless. And I
don't think fame was his goal. I think he really genuinely wanted to help
people. And I don't think that he was entirely or at least not consciously
aware that he what he was doing. I think that he thought that he
was doing something remarkable and special, and that these kind of half asleep,
semi cogent ramblings were helping people. One of the things that led to his
fame were articles that came out in major publications of the day. The New
York Times was one of the worst ones for him because it, I mean,
looking back at it, it said illiterate man cures I forget the exact
title, but it calls him illiterate in there, which he's not illiterate because
he can he can read, read, write, But to them, he's
just a you know, farmer hick from Kentucky who is suddenly he goes to
sleep and he can cure the dumber he is. The more miraculous his events
and so yeah, like people will would always I can see that happening.
I can see people undercutting his abilities until they'd be like, no, the
guy can barely even keep his pants on. This guy's it's just a hot
mess of a human being. But when he's asleep he will design an aircraft
carrier. And I don't even know what I just said because it doesn't exist
yet. Yes, so part of it was word of mouth, but part
of it was these major publications that made him, you know, the famous
person they was, but anyways, called the father of modern New Age movement.
He was before the New Age movement officially started. And again, you
know, Christian all the way, So he wasn't even it wasn't even a
goal of his, you know, to to start this whole new movement or
anything. But a lot of people, including the homeopathic stuff, the things
on Atlantis, came out of out of things that he said. He would
even argue against his own readings. Yeah, when people would interpret it,
I was like, oh, well, so you think reincarnation. He's like,
no, no, that couldn't have said that's not. Yeah. Some
people have argued that he got some of his stuff from Egypt, from a
book by a guy at the time who and I completely forget his name,
but I it it shows up in some of the reading if if you go
on to the links in the show notes. But we could, we could
talk about this dude for a long time, but we're not gonna We're gonna
stop now done. That is your casey and abulging, bulging, sleeping nutshell.
Oh man, Flora, I'm gonna count down. When I reach three,
you will be in a completely hypnotized nobody nobody does three. It doesn't
work too, because I am I speaking to you, Flora, no perfect
tell me entity from the beyond ethereal? What do you see in the future.
The future is beholden too many and owned by none. The future is
full of certain things which one cannot see but unseen. It really needs you
need to get to like the point, okay, entity like you're I don't,
I don't need this fortune cookie bullshit. We are not to be rushed.
I don't You want me to count it back down because we can get
Floria back here. He'll tell me. What I want to know? Is
that what you want? What you want Floria back? We do not appreciate
your sass. Oh well, that's great, because I'm going to count down
again. From three to one and when I hit one and get Flora,
So you tell me what's in the future or I shut off the radio?
Are you threatening us? Three? Two, two and a half? There
are puns? It's what I thought. That's what I thought. Thank you,
thank you, Ethereal golf. Oh really, how about this one.
I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this hypnosis. You can't you mean
to do it? Flora? What I just insulted and then hung up on
the great Ethereal? You were the phone bro? No gonna wreck me?
Really? Are they've got your collar? I wait? Stars sixty No,
who gets that? Nobody? Some of us? Oh man start the enemy
of the crank caller? Oh man, Star sixte handsome puns. Oh my
god, we have transgressed into that area where that is that is a thing
that doesn't happen anymore. Wow, maybe it does. Maybe there's some I
us want to go for us Star sixty seven to crank call My own work
is does that mask? You? Yea? And that works right now?
Yep? Duly noted. Yeah, put that in your lexicon. The first
useful piece of information we've given out tonight. Uh, Flora, you me
me you you me, what do you think? Well, since you better
go first, because you're about to get etherially fucking wrecked. Right. I
have a store that specializes in putting famous psychic readings behind thick protective glass displays.
Oh really yeah, it's called Edgar in Casey? Nice? Did you
know that? In Clips Tattle, Kentucky where he was born? In Clips
Tattle, they have a a really big event that it was such a big
event it was actually stolen the event by a department store in New York City
because for years, which one uh, in order to thank Edgar for his
contributions, they would have the uh, the Casey's Day Parade, Casey's Thanksgiving
Day Parade. Oh I get it? Yeah, did you get it?
How about a business that helps predict dangerous storms that could fry your electronic equipment?
Oh really yeah? And it also explores electrical phenomenon. Really, what's
called It's called the Association for Research and Enlighteningment. Wow? Nice, that
was really good. It was really good. Well do you know that there's
that kind of gray area in his life? After he left school the ninth
grade and and before he um became a failed insurance salesman. Um, you
know, and like most guys in their teens, dude, he got really
into the music scene and so he formed a band named Edge Casey in the
Electric Medicine. The phrase electric medicine was my favorite part of this entire podcast.
That's that's that's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. He was really
it's really into that. He was into two electric stimulations and he went by
the name Edge edge Casey, which is funny. He was going to be
Edgar, but um uh, someone putting his name on the marquee was illiterate.
Edgar. Yeah, huns, go to iTunes please, Yeah, Dave,
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you so much. I really do love reading the ratings, reading ratings.
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close, that's uh, that's all we got. August has has been a
pretty good month. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's not been hot,
and oh my god, it summer has been great. We haven't bitched at
all. No, uh, it's it's been a wonderful summer. That's so
we can ask them into it anyway. For this episode of Blurry Photos,
I have been David Vanderhange nice and we have been the entity within david'steco od.
Damn it, why did you think that one? I can't believe you
talk Vale. I thought you were gonna be David. Damn it. Sticko,
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