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back with you on exus and bros. Glad you're joining us here on a
Wednesday morning. A lot of things going to be taking place. Sorry,
Keith Gave's going to join us at the bottom of the hour, and Rod
Beard of the Detroit News will join us at eight thirty five to talk about
the NBA Draft, that is tonight. Pistons have two picks, okay,
and I know there's a lot of guys out there we don't know of.
We're not sure who the hell they are, and I get it, but
it's good to educate ourselves a little bit on these guys. We will see
what happens at pick number five and fifty three. I'm not sure fifty three
is gonna, you know, make much of a difference. Detroit has also
hired Dennis Lindsay as Senior VP of basketball Operations. He was the GM of
the Jazz and advisor for Dallas. Not that that's a main point. It's
all about Trajan, who's going to be the head coach and who they're going
to draft. So the Pistons will stay front and center for a while.
I think at least in this area. By the way, I should also
mention this other slight piece of news. Wings traded defense from Jake Walman and
a second round pick to San Jose for future picks. And I know there's
a lot of people who like Jake Walman oftentimes paired with most cider on the
blue line. He's fine, but you've got to find a way to make
some room for your team with a young defenseman coming up, and this was
part of it. Now you may not like it. You may think that
they should have gotten rid of some other guys, specifically, you know Jeff
Petrie, who didn't play real well this past season, but he's under contract.
Why you got to get rid of Walman and a second round pick for
future considerations, I'm not quite sure. I don't know that type of landscape.
Like Steve Eisman, I don't think Jake woman was an untouchable by any
stretch. Question is did you get value in return? We'll see because the
big fella Edvonson's going to be here and he's going to make this team.
I think that's what it tells you. The phone number on the Meyer hotline
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Tigers. Yeah, it says the Tigers have never seen adversity under AJ Hinch
other than losing. He pulls his starters early. He allows players to make
mistakes and then pat them on the back. Aj needs to stick a marble
hole in his mouth and reboot. He is Larry Parrish all over. Ooh,
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Perrish didn't really accomplish much as a manager or AJ Hinch has. That's a
that's a scathing text. I'm going to agree with the pulling pitchers too early.
The Marlborough is reference to, obviously Jim Leland. Everybody wants Jim Leland
back, and I get it. He's a Hall of Fame manager. Regarding
the players, It's not like AJ Hinch rewards them. I'm confused at why
you think he rewards them just because he keeps him in the lineup. I'm
not sure what you would want a manager to do. You play the players
you have, You've got twenty six men on a roster, thirteen of them
are in there on the pitching side, So forget about them. Okay,
I'm just I'm just helping you walk through this because this is in reference to
McKinstry, I sure struggling the other day. So here's what you have.
You have Matt Vierling, you have Riley Green, you have Mark Canna,
you have Andy Bonyez, you have Gee or Schello, when sil Perez,
Justin, Henry molloy, Jake Rogers, Carson Kelly, Ryan Kridler, Right,
I mean, those those are your guys that you're gonna have to You're
gonna have to figure out. There's ten, got Zach mckinsrey. That's eleven.
I'm missing some guys here a kill bad. There's eleven? And who
am I at? Cole Keith? There's twelve? Or that that's thirteen.
I'm sorry because I said Carson Kelly. So you have thirteen guys. Those
you are thirteen guys. You want to bench the guy who makes the mistake.
So let's just use Zach McKinstry as an example. Now, on everyday
shortstop, we know that you can play third base, can play singer base,
can play a little outfield. That means you're infield. Is kreidlerd Short
Keith at second? Or Andy E. Banyasje Or Schell at third? Or
Matt Veeling and Mark Kennett first? When Cole Keith makes a mistake and he's
made nine fielding mirrors, you want to pull him, and you want Andy
Ebonyas or Zach McKinstry at second. But you pulled Zach McKinstry because he made
a mistake. So those two guys are out right, So now you're left
with Andy A. Banias at second base. Riley Green makes a mistake and
left you want him out, So that means you put Justin Henry malloy in
there, and Justin Henry molloy. Isn't that good in left field or in
the outfield? They should say it's not good defensively? Oh, I'm sorry
you want to kill butadu are you cough ak? Who's going to make the
same place at Rathergreen? Look, I don't like the defensive flaws either.
I think they've got to get better defensively. Period. You and I are
in total agreement on that. You don't have the players to do it.
You want him to bitch out a player every time they make a mistake.
There is an old saying in sports, and the saying is you praise publicly,
you criticize privately. If you don't think aj Hinch has brought a player
or two into his office privately and said something to them about what they need
to do to get better, you're sorely mistaken. Guaranteed that he's done that.
We just don't see it. You don't like the patting on the back.
Okay, I'm sure you're a father, and I'm sure there's a time
where your child has done something wrong. Do you always criticize? Is it
always a finger in the face, Is it always pointing at the chest?
Is it always screaming and raising your blood pressure? Or is there ever a
time where you put your arm around them and say it's going to be all
right, You're gonna get better. It's not a candiesque way of going about
things. It's timing middle of a game. You don't need to scream and
shout all the time. And by the way, we don't always see how
he handles the adversity. And I would argue there are other times that they
have faced adversity, not just the losing. We'll get to that on the
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coming up later today at three right here on the Michigan Sports Network eighteen after
the hour, Welcome back Exus and bros. Keith Gave, who wrote for
fifteen years for the Detroit Free Press covering the Red Wings, will join us
at the bottom of the hour. A reminder that he is also the author
of the Russian five, a book in a movie about those five men wearing
the windwheel sweater and his role in getting Sergei Federov Vladimir Konstantinov to Detroit because
Keith spent six years working as a Russian linguist for the National Security Agency.
Yeah, I'm not sure people knew that. But if you do, good
for you. If you don't, now you do. And he will join
us at the bottom of the hour to talk about Pavel dot Suk being inducted
into the Hockey Hall of Fame. Then at eight thirty five, our friend
Rod Beard from the Detroit News will talk about what the e Pistons do tonight
because the NBA Draft is tonight and it's Yeah, it's big for Trajan Langdon,
who's the new president of the team. But I think it's more than
that. I think it's more than the draft for him. He's got to
find a way to fit this team with the right pieces of the right not
just veterans, but young players in the league. I say this quite a
bit. There is a difference between being a rookie and a young pro,
a young Major leaguer, a young NBA player, a young NFL. Like
guys Penny Seoul is still a young player for the Detroit Lions, but he's
got a lot of experience under his belt already. That makes sense absolutely.
There are others who are young players, rookies. Cole Keith, for example,
doesn't have a lot of at bats, I don't have a lot of
games under his belt yet he's still learning. Now, you're always learning.
I get that. But there are certain guys who come in to a situation
who have enough experience under their belt yet still young, who can help some
of the younger players along. And that's what Trajan Langdon is going to have
to find. So did you see what the Knicks did with the Nets yesterday?
Okay, so they trade Bogdanovich the Knicks to or to the Nets they
get Mikel Bridges. Now they traded him for some in more ways than one.
It's just not just one place. It's not straight up player. There's
picks involved. But the Knicks are trying to find a way two. Obviously
they think they're going to go for it. It sure seems like it with
this move because Bridges is a hell of a player, really like him.
The Nets, in the meantime are piling up draft picks. That's what they're
doing. They're finding a different way. Remember they had the Durant and the
Irving experience, they had James Harden, right, they're trying to get some
picks back and Bridges is one of those guys. And he's going to play
with three former Villanova teammates. He's going to play with Davincenzo, he's gonna
play with Brunson. So they got the gang back together. But what the
Nets are getting is they're getting they're setting themselves up for future players. The
key for the Pistons, and they have the number five pick, is they've
got to get some guys who are still young enough that you'd like to see
your team help build around, not just Kid Cunningham, not just to Jaden
Ivy, if you believe anymore, Jalen Duran, all right, you've got
to find some younger NBA players who have enough experience under their belt can make
differences and you want to see part of your organization for a while. That's
a tough ask, I get it. But they're going to use the fifth
overall pick. It just seems like it right now. Maybe they trade it.
I don't know. I wouldn't have a problem that they traded it.
No issue with that at all, But more and more teams who recognize,
you know what, we don't necessarily have this. We need to build for
the future. I don't think the Pistons are necessarily building for the future because
they've got a lot of these young guys, all right. Obviously you know
they're not ready to win right now. So maybe it is the future.
But I'm talking about the youth aspect of it. Adding a nineteen year old
to this core group. How is that going to help you win right now?
If you don't have the veterans who have played in this league and knows
what it takes to win, knows how to bounce back from a loss,
and knows how to keep your body and your mind fresh through a long season,
knows how to handle a losing streak, knows that when you go to
LA, as many temptations as there may be, you better make sure you're
keeping your body in shape and ready to go for a long road trip out
west. Those are the guys you need. Can you do it? Can
he get those players? We'll soon find out. Now, who are they
going to take with the number five pick? There seems to be a consensus.
So I was watching the NBA channel last night and they did a mock
draft. First of all, is surprised that Reed Shepherd win as high as
he did. He's the freshman guard out of Kentucky. But they love his
work, ethic, works defensively, really smooth shooter. They got him going
three. The consensus for Detroit has been Mattes Bizellos from the G League Elite
ignite three point shooter stretches the floor didn't have a great three point shooting percentage
in the league last year. As a matter of fact, it was awful.
But teams like his length, his skill set, he's fluid, he
can play some defense for you. Last night they were talking about his mental
fortitude, his confidence because he's six' nine, he's got to add a
little muscle. Who knows if he's a difference maker. Honestly, would you
rather have a guy like that or would you rather have the seven foot two
center out of Yukon Donovan Klingen, who's really mobile, really good defender inside,
a little rim protection there, really good passer too. By the way,
if they did that, would it mean that the Pistons have to move
on from Jalen Durhan or Isaiah Stewart. Is he a guy who's going to
contribute to your team right away? Or do you go with a guard like
Cody Williams out of Colorado? Do you go with a shooter like Dalton Connect?
I mean that, dude, I'm sorry. He led a really good
league. He was the eight SEC Player of the Year ran, He's the
first team All American. He averaged twenty two points a game. He shot
close to four He's got thirty nine point seven percent from deep. He's twenty
three, so he's a little bit older, but this team lacks shooting.
If you think his skill set translates, why not? What about Ron Holland,
big versatile guy out of the G League. So those are all things
we'll be able to talk about with Rod Beard at what will Stefan Castle fall
from Yukon? People love him, He's just nineteen, only spend one year
in Yukon, but he's versatile and aggressive and talented. So there's some names
that you can talk about. Rod Beard will join us at eight thirty five
to do just that. Looking forward to the conversation and really looking forward to
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with Keith Gave. You never had to worry because Keith Gave followed the Red
Wings and wrote about him for the Detroit Freefress for fifteen years. He spent
time at WDFN hosting a radio show giving you his knowledge. He's also written
a book, The Russian Five, that was made into a fantastic movie.
And as I mentioned earlier, he spent six years six years as a Russian
linguist from the National Security Agency and that really allowed him to get a little
bit closer to a lot of the Russian players. One of those Russian players,
Pavel dot Suk, who Keith Gave knows exceptionally well, will be inducted
into the Hockey Hall of Fame soon and Keith Gave joins us here on exis
and Bros. Keith, it's great to visit with you man, Hope you
and your family are doing well. Why do you think Pavel dot Suk belongs
in the Hall of Fame? Oh my goodness, this was no brainer,
wasn't it. First ballot Hall of Famer. I think all you had to
do is watch him play one night and see how much better he was than
everybody else who played in the league for a long long time. Some of
the moves that kid made were just absolutely remarkable and a very well deserved honor
for a guy who spent a lot of really good years and Detroit really saw
the best of times in the worst of times in Detroit won a couple of
Stanley cups. Began his career early, early in his career with that dynasty
in Detroit, with a couple of Russians still left over from the Russian Five,
all the way toward the end of his career when things were falling apart
badly, the wheels were coming off, and he got out of Dodge a
little early. He left. Let's remember that he left with a couple of
years left on his contract or one year left on his contract. That really
hurt the Wings. Keith I would argue he was part of that too.
You mentioned the two thousand and two Stanley Cup champions under Scotti Bowman. I
would argue it's one of, if not the greatest hockey team ever assembled.
How far off am I on that? Oh? No, no, I
think you're I think you're absolutely right. Look at all the guys are in
the Hall of Fame, and you know there's a couple of guys on that
team are in the Hall of Fame yet who should be? And one of
them is Chris Osgood I believe. But I think that was the best collection
of talent ever assembled. And you know you could do it then, you
know, all Mike Elich had to do was open up his check book and
sign a guy like Brett Hall, sign a guy like Luke Robotie, and
on and on and on to go with you know, Chris Chelly os and
Steve Beiser and Sergei Fedrob and my god, what a team wasn't it.
It was unbelievable. Ten Hall of Famers from that team now, And you're
right. I think Chris Osgod, he does belong in there. He doesn't
get nearly enough credit. I think people talk about the team he had in
front of him, but for some reason that same argument doesn't you know,
coincide with a guy like Grant Fear for example. But I think he's I
think he's fantastic. Keith gave joining us here on Ex's and broching falm on
Twitter at Keith gave with dot Suke. I think there's a lot of people,
and he almost played in the shadows of a lot of guys. He
accepted his role. He was so fundamentally sound, he was so electrifying,
and I thought he spoke better English than he than he really came across with
because he was kind of off to the side a little bit and wanted to
make sure he got his own privacy as a person. How much did you
enjoy being around him and talking to him? Well, I enjoyed it immensely.
And you're right, he wasn't It wasn't easy to get close to.
I was able to get to know him a little bit better, spend some
time with him, off off eyes, away from the rink, and so
on. When you know his His agent, Dan Milstein, was the executive
producer of the Russian five film. He put up the money to make for
us to make that film and know when Pava was getting ready to uh uh
to bail on the Red Wings to go back to uh Russia to play his
final years. Uh. Dan asked me to uh meet with Babo and you
know, have dinner and uh basically help assemble or help write a story for
somebody uh to uh to explain why Pavo was, you know, wanted to
leave and go back and play hockey in Russia. Uh in front of his
family and so on. It was they knew it was a sensitive issue.
Uh. I met with them, We talked for you know, a long
time, uh, and they they asked me to hold off. They weren't
quite ready yet to announce it. And then when they were, they went
out and got Mitch Album to write that story. So so I uh,
but I got to know Paba a little bit more personally, and he was
he was pretty uh uh you know, UH, he wasn't easy to get
to know. I don't care if you're Russian or American. He kept to
himself, and you're right about the fact that he could speak a lot better
English than he led on. He didn't like to answer a lot of questions
and when you know, when the question came along that uh that he didn't
like it. Was in one of those don't speak English kind of things,
you know. Vladbrick Constantino was like that a little bit too. Yeah,
he was a six round draft pick. How did the Red Wings? Yeah,
how did the Red Wings find you know, the players like Zetterberg and
and Lidstrom and dot Suk in later parts of the draft and be so successful?
What was what did they do that no other team was doing well?
The guy, the guy who gets all the credit for that was their chief
scout over there still is Hacken Anderson. Uh he he Zenberg was playing for
a smaller club over there. And uh Hacken Anderson actually went to he went
to a game to scout another guy, a defenseman that that he liked,
and he wound up falling in love with a little guy on the other team.
And uh he found a way to see him one more time. Uh.
And then there was a there was a third time that there were there's
a big tournament in Moscow that he he had hoped to see Zetterberg one more
time. And there was also a scout with the Calgary Flames, you know
who were who was going to go see that game as well. Uh and
and and scout out Uh Pablo dots and everybody else, and that there there
was the weather problems, the flight was canceled. They never made it to
the game. So uh it. It's been uh said that Hawk and Anderson
is the only NHL scout who saw Pablo Dosic before he drafted. The Wings
kind of snuck him in in the sixth round, one hundred and seventy first
overall. Can you believe that for a Hall of Fame player? I know,
and just so people know, litz from was a third round pick.
I believe Zedberg was a seventh round choice, seventh seventh round, two hundred
and tenth overall, and the seventh round the following year after Pablo Dotsuk.
You know what, that's just brilliant scouting. And you know Thomas Holmstrom was
a late round draft pick. Really, Hawkin Anderson hit some Grand Slam home
runs late and late in the draft, which was really important. If you
remember Matt In the year that Zedberg was drafted, they didn't have a first
round pick. They trade a lot of first round picks away for some of
those Hall of Fame players. If you remember, they traded two first round
picks to Chicago for Chris Chellio's So they needed to hit some home runs later
in the draft, and they did. Yeah, they sure did, And
we're hitting a home run right now. Talking with Keith gave you can fall
m on x at. Keith gave the story of you. I know you
tell it all the time and it probably gets a little tired for you,
but the story of you being able to work for the Red Wings to a
certain extent and get guys like feder Off and Constantinoff over here is worth retelling.
Can you give our audience, who might be younger and not always understand
this, and maybe if they haven't read or watched the Russian Five, which
they should, if you could give them just a quick synopsis of how that
came about and what you did well. The Wings drafted both Sergei and Vladdie
in the nineteen eighty nine draft, that tremendous draft, greatest of all time.
They got Sergei in the fourth round after after drafting Nick Lisserman the third,
and then Vladdy in the eleventh round. But you know, about three
weeks or so after the draft, I got invited to lunch by Jim Lights,
then the executive vice president of the team, and Mike and Mary Nilich's
former son in law now asked me the lunch and essentially asked me if I
could do them a favor and go to Helsinki, Finland, where the Russians
were having a training camp, and maybe try and get access to UH to
Sergei and Vladdie and pass along messages to them. I write the messages in
Russian and sneak it to them and let basically let these players know that the
Wings wanted them to defect and come over to play hockey for the Detroit Red
Wings. And at first I said, no, there's no way I can
do that. I worked for the Detroit Free Press. And then he mentioned
a lot of money that they were willing to pay me. You know,
started at six figures, Matt, and I know where that I know where
that starts. So that's life changing money for a schmuck like me making the
money I was making to the Free Press at the time. But so I
told him I couldn't you know, I wasn't able to do it. I
covered the you know, hockey for the Detroit Red Wings for the Detroit Free
Press, and I don't want to put my career in jeopardy. Which I
was doing. And I thought about it for three or four days, and
I called Lights back. I said, there might be a way that I
can do this. I'd really like to give it a shot. I said,
I'm not going to take a dime from you. I don't want anything.
I'll pay my own way over there. I cash in some air miles
and pay my way, and I'll try and get the messages to both those
players. And on one condition, he said, what said? I said,
when these guys come over here, I want to be your first phone
call, so I can have the story first for my readers at the Detroit
Free Press. And he said, deal, And so I went over there.
I went to Helsinki, and I was dodging a KGB guy for a
little while trying to get access to these two guys. I did. I
passed along messages to both of them, and it was a little bit dicey,
a little scary in moments. But eleven months later, in July of
nineteen ninety, I got a phone call from Jim Lights. I was having
dinner and I said, Keith, Yeah, this is Jim Lights. Yeah,
I mean mister Ilich's airplane coming back from the Goodwill games in Portland,
Oregon. Guess who's sitting next to me? And I said, who's that?
He said, Sergei Federov. So I shoved my plate away. I
was having dinner. I grabbed my notebook, I took some notes. I
got my laptop out and I started writing. I called the desk at the
Free Press, actually not the sports editor, the city editor the Free Press.
We're pushing deadline right in the evening and he said, what are you
calling for? Hockey doesn't start for another three months. And I said,
what do you go got going on page one tomorrow? He said why,
what do you care? And I said, because whatever you got, I'm
going to blow out of the water. He said what, And I said,
there's a Russian defector named Sergi Federov on his way to Detroit to play
hockey for the Detroit Red Wings. He just defected from the Goodwill Games in
Portland, Oregon. And there's a long pause, and all of a sudden,
he said, you got thirty five minutes and he hung up the phone.
So I had thirty five minutes to write that story that wound up on
page one above the fold. The next day that Sergi federal was on his
way to Detroit. I hope you have that article framed in your house.
I do not. I don't. I was I was never you know,
I was never in love with my own work to the point that I say,
boxes and boxes, I don't have it. And you're right, I
should go to the Free press arch get that. But how did you how
did you gain the trust of feder Off and constantinof through writing messages that had
to be challenging. Well, it was, Uh, it was not so
much a matter of earning trust or anything like that at first. I mean,
all I need to do was get I snuck a letter that I had
written on the airplane coming over to Helsinki to each of those guys. I
put it in one of those media guys, you know, those those a
little five by nine, but you know, the old media guys have protected
in there. And uh, basically, as soon as I was able to
get it to them, I saw this KGB guy staring at us, staring
at down, watching every move just about and as soon as I got that
into their hands, I basically said in Russia and I said, okay,
thank you very much. I'll give you a call and try and interview you
down the road, but you know, good luck and I got the hell
out of there. H so, and I don't know what happened after that.
You know, I just called lights when I got back to the hotel
and I said, Jim, I was able to get the messages to these
guys. I'm uh and I'm out now. I don't want to hear about
it. I don't want to talk about it. I don't anybody know about
it until these guys start coming over, and then I want to write about
it and so. And then when Sergei and Vlady did come over, they
remembered me. And you know, it wasn't immediate trust at all, because
the Russians don't trust anybody for for a long long time. It takes it
forever to earn their trust. But when you do, you've got real good
friends. And I was able to do that with those guys, with and
with Sovogaty saw Andiger Larianov, Slavakoso and so on. They were a great,
great, great group of men to get to know. I'll tell you
that, Yeah, they sure were. But you deserve it. It's well
done. Keith gave joining us here on Exes and Bros. About Pavelo dot
Soup being into the Hall of Fame, the other player or the other person,
I should say, he's not going in as a player, even though
he did play a couple of years as as executive. Colin Campbell is going
to be part of that class, that seven member class with guys like Shay
Webber and Jeremy Ronick as well. He was really impactful in the Red Wings
success. Why do you think he deserves to be in there more of time
served in the NHL throughout his career. You know, he came to Detroit
as a hard nosed defenseman, and when his career came to an end,
they elevated him to an assistant coach under Nick Polano. When Nick was elevated,
has essentially fired as coach and they brought in Harry Neal and then Brad
Pardon. Colin Campbell stayed on his assistant coach and he was and then he
was coached through the Jacques de Maiers years as well, and spent a lot
of time trying to really unsee to both Jacques de Mars and Jim Devlano.
Colan was was trying to get their jobs while he was in Detroit he left
left Detroit, went to New York as he spent time as a head coach
there and then wound up as working for Gary Bettman as the senior vice president
of the National Hockey League for a while there. You remember he was the
league disciplinarian. Yeah, that's right. But you know, Colan. Colan
has had a really a really good career, nice career, and frankly,
I've done him a long long time and we're really well deserved too, Hey,
Keith, One last thing, The sixty members of the Red Wings are
now in the Hall of Fame. It screams, it reeks of greatness from
that franchise. But it's been a while now with Steve Eisman at the helm,
and this might be one of those years where coming up where people are
like, Okay, we never talks about the aser plan. Let's see it
come to fruition and the postseason. What's this team missing? Oh? Well,
miss is still quite a lot, but goaltending most of all. I
think I was really kind of disappointed that they weren't able to outdid Ottawa for
Linis Almark from Boston. They needed a goaltender. Their defense. They've worked
hard on their defense, for years now and that's sort of come together.
But they really need a They need a legit number two center. There are
a lot of people in the league who think that Dylan Larket is not really
a number one center, but he's there by default that he's probably a number
two and maybe on a great team, on a great team Stanley Cup team,
he's a number three center. Look at Steve Eiserman was probably the number
three center on those Stanley Cup teams in the late nineties. But they need
help down the middle as well. Still work in progress, you know.
They they missed the playoffs this year by zero points. Well I would I
would have loved to have seen a playoff game between them and Washington, you
know, for that last playoff spot, but that didn't happen. They're close
if they can make it interesting. A lot of people think this is the
year they should finally get back in the playoffs. We'll see. I'm a
little bit I have mixed up opinions about that. It's going to be tough
because because the other teams are coming. Yeah, you wish De Troit was
coming a little bit. I wish you were still writing about the Red Wings.
Always great to visit with you, my friend. Thanks for the insight,
Thanks for all the great work you do, and folks follow them on
Twitter, so he's got great insight on a lot of things, not just
hockey as well. Keith Gave joining us here on Exes and Bros. Have
a great weekend, my friend. Thanks for the time. Great to hear
your voice, Matt, keep up the good work and thanks for having me.
Man absolutely anytime. Keith Cave joining us here on Exues and Bros.
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