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back with you on exus and bros. Glad you're joining us here on a

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Wednesday morning. A lot of things
going to be taking place. Sorry,

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Keith Gave's going to join us at
the bottom of the hour, and Rod

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Beard of the Detroit News will join
us at eight thirty five to talk about

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the NBA Draft, that is tonight. Pistons have two picks, okay,

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and I know there's a lot of
guys out there we don't know of.

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We're not sure who the hell they
are, and I get it, but

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it's good to educate ourselves a little
bit on these guys. We will see

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what happens at pick number five and
fifty three. I'm not sure fifty three

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is gonna, you know, make
much of a difference. Detroit has also

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hired Dennis Lindsay as Senior VP of
basketball Operations. He was the GM of

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the Jazz and advisor for Dallas.
Not that that's a main point. It's

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all about Trajan, who's going to
be the head coach and who they're going

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to draft. So the Pistons will
stay front and center for a while.

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I think at least in this area. By the way, I should also

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mention this other slight piece of news. Wings traded defense from Jake Walman and

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a second round pick to San Jose
for future picks. And I know there's

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a lot of people who like Jake
Walman oftentimes paired with most cider on the

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blue line. He's fine, but
you've got to find a way to make

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some room for your team with a
young defenseman coming up, and this was

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part of it. Now you may
not like it. You may think that

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they should have gotten rid of some
other guys, specifically, you know Jeff

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Petrie, who didn't play real well
this past season, but he's under contract.

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Why you got to get rid of
Walman and a second round pick for

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future considerations, I'm not quite sure. I don't know that type of landscape.

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Like Steve Eisman, I don't think
Jake woman was an untouchable by any

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stretch. Question is did you get
value in return? We'll see because the

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big fella Edvonson's going to be here
and he's going to make this team.

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I think that's what it tells you. The phone number on the Meyer hotline

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is eight sixty six eight three eight
forty eight forty three. You can text

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Sports Radio to twenty one thousand.
Ben's our producer. Ben. I know

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we got at least one text,
right. What's it up on regarding the

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Tigers. Yeah, it says the
Tigers have never seen adversity under AJ Hinch

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other than losing. He pulls his
starters early. He allows players to make

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mistakes and then pat them on the
back. Aj needs to stick a marble

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hole in his mouth and reboot.
He is Larry Parrish all over. Ooh,

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yeah, that was a I don't
know about Larry Parrish. That's Larry

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Perrish didn't really accomplish much as a
manager or AJ Hinch has. That's a

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that's a scathing text. I'm going
to agree with the pulling pitchers too early.

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The Marlborough is reference to, obviously
Jim Leland. Everybody wants Jim Leland

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back, and I get it.
He's a Hall of Fame manager. Regarding

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the players, It's not like AJ
Hinch rewards them. I'm confused at why

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you think he rewards them just because
he keeps him in the lineup. I'm

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not sure what you would want a
manager to do. You play the players

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you have, You've got twenty six
men on a roster, thirteen of them

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are in there on the pitching side, So forget about them. Okay,

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I'm just I'm just helping you walk
through this because this is in reference to

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McKinstry, I sure struggling the other
day. So here's what you have.

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You have Matt Vierling, you have
Riley Green, you have Mark Canna,

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you have Andy Bonyez, you have
Gee or Schello, when sil Perez,

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Justin, Henry molloy, Jake Rogers, Carson Kelly, Ryan Kridler, Right,

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I mean, those those are your
guys that you're gonna have to You're

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gonna have to figure out. There's
ten, got Zach mckinsrey. That's eleven.

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I'm missing some guys here a kill
bad. There's eleven? And who

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am I at? Cole Keith?
There's twelve? Or that that's thirteen.

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I'm sorry because I said Carson Kelly. So you have thirteen guys. Those

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you are thirteen guys. You want
to bench the guy who makes the mistake.

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So let's just use Zach McKinstry as
an example. Now, on everyday

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shortstop, we know that you can
play third base, can play singer base,

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can play a little outfield. That
means you're infield. Is kreidlerd Short

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Keith at second? Or Andy E. Banyasje Or Schell at third? Or

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Matt Veeling and Mark Kennett first?
When Cole Keith makes a mistake and he's

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made nine fielding mirrors, you want
to pull him, and you want Andy

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Ebonyas or Zach McKinstry at second.
But you pulled Zach McKinstry because he made

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a mistake. So those two guys
are out right, So now you're left

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with Andy A. Banias at second
base. Riley Green makes a mistake and

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left you want him out, So
that means you put Justin Henry malloy in

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there, and Justin Henry molloy.
Isn't that good in left field or in

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the outfield? They should say it's
not good defensively? Oh, I'm sorry

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you want to kill butadu are you
cough ak? Who's going to make the

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same place at Rathergreen? Look,
I don't like the defensive flaws either.

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I think they've got to get better
defensively. Period. You and I are

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in total agreement on that. You
don't have the players to do it.

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You want him to bitch out a
player every time they make a mistake.

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There is an old saying in sports, and the saying is you praise publicly,

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you criticize privately. If you don't
think aj Hinch has brought a player

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or two into his office privately and
said something to them about what they need

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to do to get better, you're
sorely mistaken. Guaranteed that he's done that.

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We just don't see it. You
don't like the patting on the back.

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Okay, I'm sure you're a father, and I'm sure there's a time

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where your child has done something wrong. Do you always criticize? Is it

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always a finger in the face,
Is it always pointing at the chest?

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Is it always screaming and raising your
blood pressure? Or is there ever a

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time where you put your arm around
them and say it's going to be all

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right, You're gonna get better.
It's not a candiesque way of going about

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things. It's timing middle of a
game. You don't need to scream and

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shout all the time. And by
the way, we don't always see how

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he handles the adversity. And I
would argue there are other times that they

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have faced adversity, not just the
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the hour, Welcome back Exus and
bros. Keith Gave, who wrote for

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fifteen years for the Detroit Free Press
covering the Red Wings, will join us

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at the bottom of the hour.
A reminder that he is also the author

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of the Russian five, a book
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the windwheel sweater and his role in
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Keith spent six years working as a
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Yeah, I'm not sure people knew
that. But if you do, good

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for you. If you don't,
now you do. And he will join

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us at the bottom of the hour
to talk about Pavel dot Suk being inducted

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into the Hockey Hall of Fame.
Then at eight thirty five, our friend

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Rod Beard from the Detroit News will
talk about what the e Pistons do tonight

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because the NBA Draft is tonight and
it's Yeah, it's big for Trajan Langdon,

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who's the new president of the team. But I think it's more than

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that. I think it's more than
the draft for him. He's got to

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find a way to fit this team
with the right pieces of the right not

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just veterans, but young players in
the league. I say this quite a

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bit. There is a difference between
being a rookie and a young pro,

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a young Major leaguer, a young
NBA player, a young NFL. Like

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guys Penny Seoul is still a young
player for the Detroit Lions, but he's

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got a lot of experience under his
belt already. That makes sense absolutely.

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There are others who are young players, rookies. Cole Keith, for example,

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doesn't have a lot of at bats, I don't have a lot of

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games under his belt yet he's still
learning. Now, you're always learning.

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I get that. But there are
certain guys who come in to a situation

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who have enough experience under their belt
yet still young, who can help some

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of the younger players along. And
that's what Trajan Langdon is going to have

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to find. So did you see
what the Knicks did with the Nets yesterday?

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Okay, so they trade Bogdanovich the
Knicks to or to the Nets they

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get Mikel Bridges. Now they traded
him for some in more ways than one.

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It's just not just one place.
It's not straight up player. There's

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picks involved. But the Knicks are
trying to find a way two. Obviously

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they think they're going to go for
it. It sure seems like it with

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this move because Bridges is a hell
of a player, really like him.

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The Nets, in the meantime are
piling up draft picks. That's what they're

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doing. They're finding a different way. Remember they had the Durant and the

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Irving experience, they had James Harden, right, they're trying to get some

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picks back and Bridges is one of
those guys. And he's going to play

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with three former Villanova teammates. He's
going to play with Davincenzo, he's gonna

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play with Brunson. So they got
the gang back together. But what the

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Nets are getting is they're getting they're
setting themselves up for future players. The

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key for the Pistons, and they
have the number five pick, is they've

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got to get some guys who are
still young enough that you'd like to see

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your team help build around, not
just Kid Cunningham, not just to Jaden

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Ivy, if you believe anymore,
Jalen Duran, all right, you've got

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to find some younger NBA players who
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differences and you want to see part
of your organization for a while. That's

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a tough ask, I get it. But they're going to use the fifth

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overall pick. It just seems like
it right now. Maybe they trade it.

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I don't know. I wouldn't have
a problem that they traded it.

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No issue with that at all,
But more and more teams who recognize,

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you know what, we don't necessarily
have this. We need to build for

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the future. I don't think the
Pistons are necessarily building for the future because

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they've got a lot of these young
guys, all right. Obviously you know

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they're not ready to win right now. So maybe it is the future.

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But I'm talking about the youth aspect
of it. Adding a nineteen year old

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to this core group. How is
that going to help you win right now?

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If you don't have the veterans who
have played in this league and knows

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what it takes to win, knows
how to bounce back from a loss,

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and knows how to keep your body
and your mind fresh through a long season,

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knows how to handle a losing streak, knows that when you go to

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LA, as many temptations as there
may be, you better make sure you're

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keeping your body in shape and ready
to go for a long road trip out

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west. Those are the guys you
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he get those players? We'll soon
find out. Now, who are they

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going to take with the number five
pick? There seems to be a consensus.

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So I was watching the NBA channel
last night and they did a mock

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draft. First of all, is
surprised that Reed Shepherd win as high as

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he did. He's the freshman guard
out of Kentucky. But they love his

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work, ethic, works defensively,
really smooth shooter. They got him going

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three. The consensus for Detroit has
been Mattes Bizellos from the G League Elite

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ignite three point shooter stretches the floor
didn't have a great three point shooting percentage

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in the league last year. As
a matter of fact, it was awful.

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But teams like his length, his
skill set, he's fluid, he

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can play some defense for you.
Last night they were talking about his mental

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fortitude, his confidence because he's six' nine, he's got to add a

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little muscle. Who knows if he's
a difference maker. Honestly, would you

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rather have a guy like that or
would you rather have the seven foot two

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center out of Yukon Donovan Klingen,
who's really mobile, really good defender inside,

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a little rim protection there, really
good passer too. By the way,

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if they did that, would it
mean that the Pistons have to move

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on from Jalen Durhan or Isaiah Stewart. Is he a guy who's going to

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contribute to your team right away?
Or do you go with a guard like

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Cody Williams out of Colorado? Do
you go with a shooter like Dalton Connect?

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I mean that, dude, I'm
sorry. He led a really good

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league. He was the eight SEC
Player of the Year ran, He's the

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first team All American. He averaged
twenty two points a game. He shot

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close to four He's got thirty nine
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big versatile guy out of the G
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we'll be able to talk about with
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to do just that. Looking forward
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the conversation with Keith Gave when we
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He's an author and he's an insider. He's going to join us about Pavel

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in life. It's a big big
word. If you want to trust certain

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writers with the information that you absorbed, you got to be careful. Well

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with Keith Gave. You never had
to worry because Keith Gave followed the Red

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Wings and wrote about him for the
Detroit Freefress for fifteen years. He spent

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time at WDFN hosting a radio show
giving you his knowledge. He's also written

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a book, The Russian Five,
that was made into a fantastic movie.

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And as I mentioned earlier, he
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linguist from the National Security Agency and
that really allowed him to get a little

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bit closer to a lot of the
Russian players. One of those Russian players,

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Pavel dot Suk, who Keith Gave
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into the Hockey Hall of Fame soon
and Keith Gave joins us here on exis

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and Bros. Keith, it's great
to visit with you man, Hope you

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and your family are doing well.
Why do you think Pavel dot Suk belongs

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in the Hall of Fame? Oh
my goodness, this was no brainer,

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wasn't it. First ballot Hall of
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do is watch him play one night
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everybody else who played in the league
for a long long time. Some of

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the moves that kid made were just
absolutely remarkable and a very well deserved honor

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for a guy who spent a lot
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the best of times in the worst
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Stanley cups. Began his career early, early in his career with that dynasty

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in Detroit, with a couple of
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all the way toward the end of
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badly, the wheels were coming off, and he got out of Dodge a

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little early. He left. Let's
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years left on his contract or one
year left on his contract. That really

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hurt the Wings. Keith I would
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You mentioned the two thousand and two
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would argue it's one of, if
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How far off am I on that? Oh? No, no, I

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think you're I think you're absolutely right. Look at all the guys are in

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the Hall of Fame, and you
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team are in the Hall of Fame
yet who should be? And one of

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them is Chris Osgood I believe.
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of talent ever assembled. And you
know you could do it then, you

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know, all Mike Elich had to
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sign a guy like Brett Hall,
sign a guy like Luke Robotie, and

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on and on and on to go
with you know, Chris Chelly os and

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Steve Beiser and Sergei Fedrob and my
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It was unbelievable. Ten Hall of
Famers from that team now, And you're

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right. I think Chris Osgod,
he does belong in there. He doesn't

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get nearly enough credit. I think
people talk about the team he had in

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front of him, but for some
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coincide with a guy like Grant Fear
for example. But I think he's I

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think he's fantastic. Keith gave joining
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Twitter at Keith gave with dot Suke. I think there's a lot of people,

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and he almost played in the shadows
of a lot of guys. He

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accepted his role. He was so
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and I thought he spoke better English
than he than he really came across with

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because he was kind of off to
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make sure he got his own privacy
as a person. How much did you

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enjoy being around him and talking to
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And you're right, he wasn't It
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I was able to get to know
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time with him, off off eyes, away from the rink, and so

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on. When you know his His
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producer of the Russian five film.
He put up the money to make for

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us to make that film and know
when Pava was getting ready to uh uh

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to bail on the Red Wings to
go back to uh Russia to play his

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final years. Uh. Dan asked
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know, have dinner and uh basically
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somebody uh to uh to explain why
Pavo was, you know, wanted to

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leave and go back and play hockey
in Russia. Uh in front of his

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family and so on. It was
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time, uh, and they they
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quite ready yet to announce it.
And then when they were, they went

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out and got Mitch Album to write
that story. So so I uh,

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but I got to know Paba a
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he was pretty uh uh you know, UH, he wasn't easy to get

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to know. I don't care if
you're Russian or American. He kept to

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himself, and you're right about the
fact that he could speak a lot better

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English than he led on. He
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and when you know, when the
question came along that uh that he didn't

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like it. Was in one of
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you know. Vladbrick Constantino was like
that a little bit too. Yeah,

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he was a six round draft pick. How did the Red Wings? Yeah,

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how did the Red Wings find you
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and Lidstrom and dot Suk in later
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What was what did they do that
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The guy, the guy who gets
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scout over there still is Hacken Anderson. Uh he he Zenberg was playing for

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a smaller club over there. And
uh Hacken Anderson actually went to he went

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to a game to scout another guy, a defenseman that that he liked,

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and he wound up falling in love
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And uh he found a way to
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And then there was a there was
a third time that there were there's

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a big tournament in Moscow that he
he had hoped to see Zetterberg one more

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time. And there was also a
scout with the Calgary Flames, you know

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who were who was going to go
see that game as well. Uh and

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and and scout out Uh Pablo dots
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was the weather problems, the flight
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the game. So uh it.
It's been uh said that Hawk and Anderson

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is the only NHL scout who saw
Pablo Dosic before he drafted. The Wings

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kind of snuck him in in the
sixth round, one hundred and seventy first

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overall. Can you believe that for
a Hall of Fame player? I know,

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and just so people know, litz
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I believe Zedberg was a seventh round
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and tenth overall, and the seventh
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You know what, that's just brilliant
scouting. And you know Thomas Holmstrom was

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a late round draft pick. Really, Hawkin Anderson hit some Grand Slam home

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runs late and late in the draft, which was really important. If you

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remember Matt In the year that Zedberg
was drafted, they didn't have a first

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round pick. They trade a lot
of first round picks away for some of

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those Hall of Fame players. If
you remember, they traded two first round

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picks to Chicago for Chris Chellio's So
they needed to hit some home runs later

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in the draft, and they did. Yeah, they sure did, And

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we're hitting a home run right now. Talking with Keith gave you can fall

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m on x at. Keith gave
the story of you. I know you

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tell it all the time and it
probably gets a little tired for you,

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but the story of you being able
to work for the Red Wings to a

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certain extent and get guys like feder
Off and Constantinoff over here is worth retelling.

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Can you give our audience, who
might be younger and not always understand

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this, and maybe if they haven't
read or watched the Russian Five, which

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they should, if you could give
them just a quick synopsis of how that

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came about and what you did well. The Wings drafted both Sergei and Vladdie

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in the nineteen eighty nine draft,
that tremendous draft, greatest of all time.

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They got Sergei in the fourth round
after after drafting Nick Lisserman the third,

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and then Vladdy in the eleventh round. But you know, about three

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weeks or so after the draft,
I got invited to lunch by Jim Lights,

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then the executive vice president of the
team, and Mike and Mary Nilich's

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former son in law now asked me
the lunch and essentially asked me if I

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could do them a favor and go
to Helsinki, Finland, where the Russians

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were having a training camp, and
maybe try and get access to UH to

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Sergei and Vladdie and pass along messages
to them. I write the messages in

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Russian and sneak it to them and
let basically let these players know that the

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Wings wanted them to defect and come
over to play hockey for the Detroit Red

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Wings. And at first I said, no, there's no way I can

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do that. I worked for the
Detroit Free Press. And then he mentioned

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a lot of money that they were
willing to pay me. You know,

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started at six figures, Matt,
and I know where that I know where

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that starts. So that's life changing
money for a schmuck like me making the

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money I was making to the Free
Press at the time. But so I

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told him I couldn't you know,
I wasn't able to do it. I

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covered the you know, hockey for
the Detroit Red Wings for the Detroit Free

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Press, and I don't want to
put my career in jeopardy. Which I

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was doing. And I thought about
it for three or four days, and

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I called Lights back. I said, there might be a way that I

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can do this. I'd really like
to give it a shot. I said,

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I'm not going to take a dime
from you. I don't want anything.

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I'll pay my own way over there. I cash in some air miles

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and pay my way, and I'll
try and get the messages to both those

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players. And on one condition,
he said, what said? I said,

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when these guys come over here,
I want to be your first phone

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call, so I can have the
story first for my readers at the Detroit

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Free Press. And he said,
deal, And so I went over there.

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I went to Helsinki, and I
was dodging a KGB guy for a

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little while trying to get access to
these two guys. I did. I

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passed along messages to both of them, and it was a little bit dicey,

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a little scary in moments. But
eleven months later, in July of

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nineteen ninety, I got a phone
call from Jim Lights. I was having

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dinner and I said, Keith,
Yeah, this is Jim Lights. Yeah,

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I mean mister Ilich's airplane coming back
from the Goodwill games in Portland,

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Oregon. Guess who's sitting next to
me? And I said, who's that?

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He said, Sergei Federov. So
I shoved my plate away. I

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was having dinner. I grabbed my
notebook, I took some notes. I

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got my laptop out and I started
writing. I called the desk at the

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Free Press, actually not the sports
editor, the city editor the Free Press.

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We're pushing deadline right in the evening
and he said, what are you

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calling for? Hockey doesn't start for
another three months. And I said,

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what do you go got going on
page one tomorrow? He said why,

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what do you care? And I
said, because whatever you got, I'm

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going to blow out of the water. He said what, And I said,

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there's a Russian defector named Sergi Federov
on his way to Detroit to play

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hockey for the Detroit Red Wings.
He just defected from the Goodwill Games in

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Portland, Oregon. And there's a
long pause, and all of a sudden,

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he said, you got thirty five
minutes and he hung up the phone.

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So I had thirty five minutes to
write that story that wound up on

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page one above the fold. The
next day that Sergi federal was on his

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way to Detroit. I hope you
have that article framed in your house.

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I do not. I don't.
I was I was never you know,

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I was never in love with my
own work to the point that I say,

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boxes and boxes, I don't have
it. And you're right, I

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should go to the Free press arch
get that. But how did you how

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did you gain the trust of feder
Off and constantinof through writing messages that had

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to be challenging. Well, it
was, Uh, it was not so

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much a matter of earning trust or
anything like that at first. I mean,

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all I need to do was get
I snuck a letter that I had

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written on the airplane coming over to
Helsinki to each of those guys. I

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put it in one of those media
guys, you know, those those a

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little five by nine, but you
know, the old media guys have protected

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in there. And uh, basically, as soon as I was able to

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get it to them, I saw
this KGB guy staring at us, staring

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at down, watching every move just
about and as soon as I got that

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into their hands, I basically said
in Russia and I said, okay,

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thank you very much. I'll give
you a call and try and interview you

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down the road, but you know, good luck and I got the hell

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out of there. H so,
and I don't know what happened after that.

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You know, I just called lights
when I got back to the hotel

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and I said, Jim, I
was able to get the messages to these

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guys. I'm uh and I'm out
now. I don't want to hear about

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it. I don't want to talk
about it. I don't anybody know about

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it until these guys start coming over, and then I want to write about

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it and so. And then when
Sergei and Vlady did come over, they

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remembered me. And you know,
it wasn't immediate trust at all, because

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the Russians don't trust anybody for for
a long long time. It takes it

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forever to earn their trust. But
when you do, you've got real good

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friends. And I was able to
do that with those guys, with and

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with Sovogaty saw Andiger Larianov, Slavakoso
and so on. They were a great,

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great, great group of men to
get to know. I'll tell you

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that, Yeah, they sure were. But you deserve it. It's well

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done. Keith gave joining us here
on Exes and Bros. About Pavelo dot

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Soup being into the Hall of Fame, the other player or the other person,

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I should say, he's not going
in as a player, even though

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he did play a couple of years
as as executive. Colin Campbell is going

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to be part of that class,
that seven member class with guys like Shay

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00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:29.280
Webber and Jeremy Ronick as well.
He was really impactful in the Red Wings

448
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:35.800
success. Why do you think he
deserves to be in there more of time

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served in the NHL throughout his career. You know, he came to Detroit

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as a hard nosed defenseman, and
when his career came to an end,

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they elevated him to an assistant coach
under Nick Polano. When Nick was elevated,

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has essentially fired as coach and they
brought in Harry Neal and then Brad

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Pardon. Colin Campbell stayed on his
assistant coach and he was and then he

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was coached through the Jacques de Maiers
years as well, and spent a lot

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of time trying to really unsee to
both Jacques de Mars and Jim Devlano.

456
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:16.679
Colan was was trying to get their
jobs while he was in Detroit he left

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left Detroit, went to New York
as he spent time as a head coach

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there and then wound up as working
for Gary Bettman as the senior vice president

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of the National Hockey League for a
while there. You remember he was the

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00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.039
league disciplinarian. Yeah, that's right. But you know, Colan. Colan

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has had a really a really good
career, nice career, and frankly,

462
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I've done him a long long time
and we're really well deserved too, Hey,

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00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.440
Keith, One last thing, The
sixty members of the Red Wings are

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now in the Hall of Fame.
It screams, it reeks of greatness from

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that franchise. But it's been a
while now with Steve Eisman at the helm,

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and this might be one of those
years where coming up where people are

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like, Okay, we never talks
about the aser plan. Let's see it

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come to fruition and the postseason.
What's this team missing? Oh? Well,

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miss is still quite a lot,
but goaltending most of all. I

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think I was really kind of disappointed
that they weren't able to outdid Ottawa for

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Linis Almark from Boston. They needed
a goaltender. Their defense. They've worked

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00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.920
hard on their defense, for years
now and that's sort of come together.

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But they really need a They need
a legit number two center. There are

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a lot of people in the league
who think that Dylan Larket is not really

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00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:45.320
a number one center, but he's
there by default that he's probably a number

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00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.920
two and maybe on a great team, on a great team Stanley Cup team,

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00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:53.119
he's a number three center. Look
at Steve Eiserman was probably the number

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00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.000
three center on those Stanley Cup teams
in the late nineties. But they need

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00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.360
help down the middle as well.
Still work in progress, you know.

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They they missed the playoffs this year
by zero points. Well I would I

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would have loved to have seen a
playoff game between them and Washington, you

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00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.280
know, for that last playoff spot, but that didn't happen. They're close

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if they can make it interesting.
A lot of people think this is the

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year they should finally get back in
the playoffs. We'll see. I'm a

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00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.800
little bit I have mixed up opinions
about that. It's going to be tough

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because because the other teams are coming. Yeah, you wish De Troit was

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coming a little bit. I wish
you were still writing about the Red Wings.

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Always great to visit with you,
my friend. Thanks for the insight,

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Thanks for all the great work you
do, and folks follow them on

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Twitter, so he's got great insight
on a lot of things, not just

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hockey as well. Keith Gave joining
us here on Exes and Bros. Have

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a great weekend, my friend.
Thanks for the time. Great to hear

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your voice, Matt, keep up
the good work and thanks for having me.

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Man absolutely anytime. Keith Cave joining
us here on Exues and Bros.

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