1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:11,080 And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:17,000 is the show that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews. 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,239 I'm your host, JD. Setter, and this is episode two hundred. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,519 Wow, thank you, thank you very much. Appreciate that. Oh 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,679 my goodness. This is a milestone episode. So we are breaking the mold 6 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:41,719 this time doing something completely different, and I hope you will enjoy this celebration 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:48,039 and allow me just an episode to sort of reflect back a little bit and 8 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:55,000 just commemorate this milestone. Now, the show has been going since two ten, 9 00:00:55,159 --> 00:01:00,880 so just a few months away and we'll hit our fourteen years. And 10 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,959 yes, there are lots of other podcasts which have surpassed two hundred episodes, 11 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:11,120 but with this one being a monthly show, I think that's still a great 12 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,560 accomplishment. And yes, I am patting myself on the back a little bit 13 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,200 because there aren't a whole lot of shows that have been running for this long, 14 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:25,480 and so I am very thankful for this journey that I've been able to 15 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,799 go on and for all the people who have come along since the very beginning, 16 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,359 and so I am excited about what we've got coming up in this episode. 17 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,079 But first I just want to say real quickly thank you to Blake for 18 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:42,079 nudging me to do a special episode. I was not really planning to because 19 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,280 of well, for several different reasons, because it wasn't coinciding with any particular 20 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:52,400 special date, you know, in terms of the run of the show, 21 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:57,640 and just with everything that I've got going on in my personal life right now, 22 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,799 I just wasn't really going to consider it. And Blake sent a couple 23 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,760 of emails and really nudged me to do that. So I decided, all 24 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,520 right, let's do it. We're gonna go all in. We're gonna, 25 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,439 as I said a moment ago, break the mold and do something completely different. 26 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,120 So in this episode, we're gonna have some feedback from several folks in 27 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:20,719 the ATC community, both audio drama fans and some industry folks. So thank 28 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:24,360 you to everybody who sent in a voice message. Also, an industry guest 29 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:30,400 spectacular is what I'm calling it. We've got some short conversations with actors, 30 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:35,639 writers, directors, sound designers, composers. Oh my goodness, some amazing, 31 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,280 amazing folks agreed to join us for this special episode. And so I 32 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:43,560 can't wait to get to that. It's gonna be awesome sharing those conversations with 33 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,360 you. Also, the ATC contributor team is backstage right now and they will 34 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,960 be joining the show a little bit later, so that's going to be great. 35 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,639 And to kick things off, we're gonna run through some fun stats and 36 00:02:55,719 --> 00:03:01,479 facts about the show before we jump in to the conversations with everybody. So 37 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,439 thank you for joining me for this special episode, and if it's your first 38 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:08,599 time, be sure to come back next time or pop in on an episode 39 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:13,840 in the archive for our regular format, but this time we're doing something totally 40 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,360 different. Testing one, two, three. Testing. That was just me 41 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:21,919 talking. I do that a lot. Where's my speech? How long you're 42 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,120 going to work with it? That's what I want to talk about. So 43 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:29,520 I thought it would just be kind of fun to take a look at some 44 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:36,360 interesting stats for this particular podcast. I figure there are some of you in 45 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,039 this audience who are numbers nerds and they like all this kind of stuff like 46 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,159 I do. So we'll take you just a couple of minutes to run through 47 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:47,319 some numbers here that I thought were interesting. So, first off, the 48 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:54,319 top ten countries that are listening to Audio Theater Central. So there have been 49 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:01,919 nearly fifty countries in just the last year, and the top ten are well. 50 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,879 At number ten we have a tie Mexico and Spain, and then at 51 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,960 number nine we have a three way tie with South Africa, France, and 52 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:19,120 India. Number eight is Romania, number seven is Germany, Number six is 53 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:27,040 the UK, Number five is Singapore, number four Japan, number three Australia, 54 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:31,319 and number two Canada, and of course number one is the United States 55 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:38,720 with a little over eighty percent. Now, it doesn't surprise me that Canada 56 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:43,240 and Australia and the UK are listening, and maybe even in South Africa because 57 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,240 there's a lot of English speakers there. But some of these countries really surprise 58 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,759 me. And the fact that they're so high on the list of Japan and 59 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:56,920 Singapore at number four and five really really surprised me. But I think it's 60 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,199 interesting nonetheless, So if you are listening in any of these other countries besides 61 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,519 the US, Canada, or UK, I'd love to hear from you, 62 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:11,360 So hit us up Audio Theatercentral dot com slash contact now. Of course, 63 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:16,360 this is episode two hundred, so these these figures don't include this particular episode, 64 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:23,680 but of the previously released episodes of Audio Theater Central, the total duration 65 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:31,240 of content is two hundred and eleven hours, sixteen minutes and twenty two seconds. 66 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:38,639 Wow. Wow, that is a lot of content. That equals out 67 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,879 to nine days, seventeen hours, twenty three minutes, and fifty nine seconds, 68 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,600 or a week and two days worth of content. And that does not 69 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:54,920 even count the twenty two hours, seven minutes and thirty seven seconds of content 70 00:05:54,959 --> 00:06:00,759 that is in Audio Theater Central backstage. So that means over the nearly decade 71 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:04,319 and a half of this show's running, we have created over two hundred and 72 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:13,360 thirty hours of content all about clean, family friendly audio drama. I think 73 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:16,519 that's pretty cool. That tells me that there is some amazing stuff happening in 74 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:24,079 this space and that it's worth talking about. Now. I'm not so I'm 75 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,879 not so arrogant as to think that every single thing that comes out of my 76 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,240 mouth on the show is amazing content. But what I'm saying is that there 77 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,160 is some awesome stuff happening in this space, and we are trying to do 78 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:40,600 our best, myself and the rest of the team to bring that information to 79 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,600 you and support the professionals in this industry in any way that we can as 80 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:50,600 well. That's the goal of this show. And speaking of the listeners where 81 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:56,079 people are listening, these are the top five places where people are listening to 82 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,519 Audio Theater Central. Number five on the app call pocket casts. That is 83 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,680 the app that I personally use myself. It runs on iPhone and Android, 84 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:12,839 and there's also a browser version of pocket Casts that allows you to listen to 85 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:17,360 podcasts as well, so a great tool. Number four is iTunes on a 86 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:24,560 computer. Now this is not on Apple Mobile. This is specifically for iTunes 87 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:30,879 the program on a computer. Number three is Spotify with over ten percent, 88 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:35,040 and that's growing, that has been growing, especially over the last few years. 89 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:43,079 Number two at twelve percent, is right on the Audio Theater Central website, 90 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,519 which I think is really cool because that means that tells me that people 91 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,680 are going to the posts for the episodes, because the show notes take a 92 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:56,680 long time for me sometimes to get all the great information and links and photos 93 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,800 and pertinent information, so that lets me know that people are reading them. 94 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:07,879 And number one is the Apple Podcasts app at over fifty percent, so still 95 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:09,680 the number one place where people are listening, and it has been like that 96 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:16,360 for years. Also in terms of the audience, Now this is specifically on 97 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:22,160 Spotify because we don't have these stats for all of the platforms, but because 98 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,879 Spotify does ask you to share this information when you create an account, we 99 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,360 have that, and that is the audience demographics and our audience is this is 100 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,799 amazing to me. Now, apparently not everybody answers this question, so it's 101 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,000 not a total one hundred percent, but forty eight percent male, forty eight 102 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,279 percent female. That is great. We're reaching everybody and I think that's so 103 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:52,279 cool. And thirteen percent of the audience is seventeen and under, and then 104 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:58,200 eighteen to twenty two is nearly fifteen percent. Twenty three to twenty seven, 105 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:01,240 now I don't know why they break it down like this, but that's how 106 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,440 they do it. Twenty three to twenty seven is about fourteen percent, twenty 107 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,200 eight to thirty four about ten percent, and thirty five to forty four twenty 108 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:18,639 percent, forty five to fifty nine seventeen percent, and sixty and up about 109 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,240 eight percent. So this is interesting information. We've we're covering all the age 110 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,440 groups with this community, and I think that's amazing because as we've noted in 111 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,799 the past, a lot of the content in the family friendly audio drama space 112 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,320 is for children, and it's just been in the last few years where there's 113 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:41,399 really been an effort to make content for older listeners and older fans of audio 114 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,039 drama. So to see these demographics reflected in this ATC community is really really 115 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,200 cool, So I'm really excited about that. Just a couple of other quick 116 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,440 numbers that I thought were interesting, we have done almost one hundred and ten 117 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,840 interviews over the years with eighty two different industry folks, and that does not 118 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,799 count all of the fan interviews at events like that Get in the Show finales 119 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,080 and Sonic Con, where we interviewed lots of audio drama fans in those episodes 120 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,840 as well, but eighty two different industry folks and over one hundred interviews over 121 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:22,240 the years. Most appearances this I did not know. I figured I knew 122 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,120 who it was until I started going through the numbers, and it's actually Katie 123 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,759 Lee. She has appeared on the show five different times. Nathan Hubler and 124 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:35,799 Phil Lawler are tied at four, and Mark Hamby, Paul McCusker and John 125 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,320 Fornoff are tied at three. Appearances on the show, and most of these 126 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,399 numbers are going to be shifting up again for today because nearly all of them 127 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,440 are appearing in this episode two, so that's coming up very shortly. But 128 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,159 the last thing I wanted to mention was co hosts. I have had twelve 129 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,840 different co hosts over the years, and that includes Roy and Andrew, who 130 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:05,440 are my regular co hosts for several years over a decade, and also the 131 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:11,240 current round of contributors. So this has just been an amazing ride. Yes, 132 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,200 I've been behind the scenes doing a lot of the stuff to get things 133 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,919 going, but I could not have done it without these folks, and I 134 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,039 just wanted to mention them, and of course all of the industry folks who 135 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,480 have been willing to give their time and appear on the show. It's just 136 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:33,759 been amazing. And speaking of industry folks, let's jump into the next segment 137 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,960 where we're gonna chat with some of those great industry professionals. Right now, 138 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,840 just say your name and the role you're playing in this production. Please excuse 139 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,399 me, excuse me, the local news station would like to talk to you. 140 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,559 Oh and here's a company play, right, I'm here to ask you 141 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,000 a couple of questions. Well, I couldn't think of a better way to 142 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,120 celebrate this milestone than to reach out to a bunch of the folks who make 143 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:03,679 the amazing audio drama content we all love around here. And I wanted to 144 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,559 speak with a nice cross section of the industry professionals in all different disciplines composers, 145 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,960 writers, directors, sound designers, and actors. And not just that, 146 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,840 I wanted to speak with some of the stalwart, longtime members of this 147 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,799 community as well as some of the newer entrants. And so that's what we're 148 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,759 going to do today now. Because I wanted to have a lot of folks 149 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:30,080 involved, we did have to try to keep these conversations as short as possible. 150 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:33,759 So I decided I'm going to ask everybody the same questions and just get 151 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:39,960 some varied perspectives on the same topics across the board. And because we have 152 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:45,519 this cross section of disciplines in the space, we might get some really interesting 153 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,320 answers. Now, of course, there is going to be some overlap because 154 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,000 audio drama is a medium that appeals to a lot of different people for some 155 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,399 of the same reasons, and so there will be some similarities in their answers, 156 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,279 but I still think it was a great time to chat with all of 157 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,840 these folks and share their feelings on this medium that we all love so much 158 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:13,399 with you. So let's get going. We're going to start off with sound 159 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,440 designer Rob Jorgensen. You've heard his work on Adventures and Odyssey, Focus on 160 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,879 the Family Radio Theater, Lamp Ladder Theater, The Extraordinary Adventures of Ga Hinty, 161 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,759 and in more recent years, on the Luther Podcast. So the question 162 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,759 that I'm asking everybody today, Rob is it's sort of a two parter, 163 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,240 and you can tackle it however you want, But what is it about the 164 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,440 medium of audio drama that you enjoy so much? And or you know, 165 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:46,399 how has working in this industry changed or impacted your life. I found that 166 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,000 I loved it because it just fell to me naturally. It made sense to 167 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,480 me the moment I put my hand to it. And you know, I 168 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,960 started by making radio commercials, dramatic radio commercials when I was working in radio 169 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,000 stations, and it just it was the part of the job that I loved 170 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,240 the most. Then when I got to do it as you know, a 171 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:13,399 professional audio dramatist, it just elevated Obviously, when you get to work with 172 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,720 great writers and great actors, everything elevates. But I think the one part 173 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,399 of it that I love the most is having I'm a blue sky thinker, 174 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:28,039 I'm I'm. I love starting from absolutely nothing in creating something. And audio 175 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:35,120 drama is such a unique medium in that I was able to create a full 176 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,399 scene and do all of the work myself. Where in movies you're you're so 177 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,919 you're so tight in your one little area that that you're a part of. 178 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,399 But in the audio drama world, I was thinking of it, creating it, 179 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,039 making all the sound effects, mixing it, mastering it, you know, 180 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,799 bringing it completely to fruition, and and my dream and vision of what 181 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:03,000 that was supposed to be actually was so I love that to think of what 182 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,559 a scene should be like and then to dig into the depths of it and 183 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:11,200 create it. Oh that's so cool. That's so cool. So now the 184 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,720 next part of this little conversation here is we're just gonna have fun. We've 185 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,679 got a little lightning round. I'm calling it this or that. I'm gonna 186 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:20,879 throw out a couple of things, and you just first one that jumps out 187 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,240 at you that you prefer between these two. You're gonna just tell me, 188 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,840 and if you want to, you can say why as long as we keep 189 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:30,960 it super short. So are you ready? All right? Yes, all 190 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:35,720 right? Mountains or the beach. Oh, the beach. Absolutely. I 191 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,600 live in Florida. Ah, that makes sense there it is rubber chicken or 192 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:45,200 rubber ducky chicken. It's funnier. That's a good answer. Yeah, all 193 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,000 right. In our final one, Mexican food or Italian food. Mexican all 194 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,279 day long? All right, what's your favorite dish? So I don't remember 195 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,360 the name of it. My wife and I discovered on our last date night 196 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:02,000 some guy in another table was eating this thing. We had never seen it 197 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:06,240 before, and we asked the waitress what is that. She told us it's 198 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,639 a big clay pot and it was full of terreriso and shrimp and chicken and 199 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:18,360 steak with and it just was boiled all together with their special sauce. It 200 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,360 was literally the single best Mexican food I've ever had in my life. You 201 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,759 can only probably do it once a year, but it was so good. 202 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,080 We're going back awesome. That sounds amazing. I'm gonna have to add that 203 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,960 to my list. Absolutely, it is good. I wish I remember the 204 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:36,960 name of it. All right, Well, thank you so much, appreciate 205 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,279 it. You're welcome. Derby Kerr is a writer, director, and actor. 206 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,080 He has written for shows such as Left Behind, Kids, Corner Abide, 207 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,600 Lamp Ladder Theater, The Extraordinary Adventures of GJ. Hinty, and of 208 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:55,399 course he is the creator of the Jake Muller Adventures. So the question I'm 209 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,000 asking everybody, Darby, is I wanted to have a question that you know 210 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,240 could apply to a lot of different professionals, regardless of what they work on 211 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:06,640 in the space, and so feel free to tackle this however you like, 212 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,440 sort of a two parter. The question is, you know, what is 213 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,640 it about this medium of audio drama that you love? What keeps you, 214 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,599 you know, working in this space and enjoying it? And or how has 215 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,799 working in audio drama changed or impacted your life? Oh man, how much 216 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:30,119 time do you have? I three minutes? Okay, I can't do it. 217 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,680 I think, I think what the reason I stay in it is because 218 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,039 I'm really not suited to do anything else. I've done a variety of jobs 219 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:42,160 in my life, but none of them as well as audio drama. And 220 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,119 I'm still learning a lot there too, So I just I love the medium. 221 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:51,240 Since I was a kid, my dad played the old radio shows. 222 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:52,319 You know, you and I've talked about this. The Shadow is a big 223 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:59,240 one, The Little Ranger. And then as a teenager I started listening to 224 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,799 the BBC show The Goon Show, which had Peter Seller's on it. It 225 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,480 was just a wacky, surrealist kind of fun show. But it really shows 226 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:14,599 you what the radio medium is capable of. So and that's fun, I 227 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,079 mean, because you know, I just think I don't know how spoilery I 228 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,440 want to get with things that we just recorded in Jake Muller, but I 229 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:29,720 mean there are some huge action sequences that unless we had a James Bond budget, 230 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,359 we could never film this. So it's great to get in the studio 231 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:41,039 and record a story that we could never afford to put on film. And 232 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:49,839 the other thing that is something I love about this medium is there's no happier 233 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,319 place for me than to be in a room with creative people and to be 234 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:02,319 able to call in my friends, yeah and just really really just explore things. 235 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,359 And you know it's I get to do that at every once in a 236 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,599 while, and I'd rather do that than go to Walt Disney World or Universal 237 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,880 Studios or any of those places. I'd rather do that see a good movie, 238 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,920 and you know it's it's work. I mean, we just did get 239 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:26,119 finished with six pretty intense days of recording, and I'm still a wet noodle 240 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,839 mentally and physically, but you know what, every second of it is worth 241 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,759 it. And I get to hang out with people like Michael Touchet, Jonathan 242 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:38,279 Cook this time, Todd Busteed, Dugan Sherbone who plays Jake. Fantastic. 243 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,000 There's just so many, so many good people, and if I start listening 244 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,119 to the rest of them, I'll forget them all and somebody will be mad 245 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,720 at me. But every one of them is just just a dream. That's 246 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,279 That's the thing that makes me want to get back into the studio with them 247 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,240 soon. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a fantastic community. It's nothing better. 248 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,799 Yeah. All right, So no, we get the serious question out 249 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,240 of the way. Let's have a little fun. I have a little lightning 250 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:06,880 round for you. Okay, all right, I'm calling it this or that. 251 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,279 I'm just gonna give you a couple of things and you just whichever one 252 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:14,160 is your preference. Just shout it out and if you if you want to 253 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,599 give a couple of word explanation, you can, but no obligation. Are 254 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,240 you ready? Okay? I hope so all right? Mountains or beach. 255 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:27,559 Oh, mountains, but I haven't been there recently. Rubber chicken or rubber 256 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,359 ducky. Oh, rubber ducky. That's a bathtub, man, I love 257 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,960 it. That's all Douglas Adams too. Oh yeah. Mexican food or Italian 258 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:45,079 food? Oh? Come on? How am I supposed to choose? It 259 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,039 depends on the night, but most times Mexican. All right, a favorite 260 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:53,279 dish? I think I know the answer here, Coco, Yeah, you're 261 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:59,000 going to say that. Yeah. I like lasagna a lot too. Hey, 262 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:02,000 there's no wrong answers here, So great choices, Oh no, there's 263 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:06,559 not. You don't me wrong answers tonight, eat them exactly. Well, 264 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,720 thank you so much, Darby, oh JD. Thank you, and and 265 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:12,119 we are so happy that you are. You're a part of this community. 266 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,960 I'm sure everyone will say how much they appreciate you, and if they don't, 267 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,759 it's because they forgot. We really really appreciate what you do. And 268 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,920 don't cut this part out because we hold you in very high regard. Wow, 269 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:26,880 well, thank you. That means a lot. I appreciate it. 270 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,000 It's like you said, the people, it's it's one of my favorite things 271 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,240 about this space. I mean, I love this medium of storytelling, but 272 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,839 the people are just amazing. Yeah. And you know what, you and 273 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:45,039 I have some very very excellent friends and I don't deserve them. You probably 274 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,039 do, but I don't. And I'm just I'm just so excited to uh 275 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,720 to create for them. When I when I think about what I'm working on 276 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:57,000 or what we're doing, I don't think about some some faceless, massive people. 277 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:03,160 I think about about our friends and love them all. Love, love 278 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,119 you, man, Oh, thank you, thank you. Nathan Hubler that 279 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:12,680 is a name that any Adventures Odyssey fan knows and knows well. Most likely. 280 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:17,440 He's a writer, director, producer for Adventures in Odyssey and has been 281 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,359 for many, many years. Of course, the creative behind the official Adventures 282 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,240 in Odyssey podcast and a lot of things that happen for that show behind the 283 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:30,319 scenes, and of course, back in the day, he created the one 284 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:37,200 of the biggest AIO fan sites, the AIO HQ. So, Nathan, 285 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,720 the question that I'm asking everybody today is what is it about this medium of 286 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,680 audio drama that really resonates with you? Why do you love working in this 287 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:53,119 medium, and or how has working in this medium impacted your life? Sure 288 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,480 well, let me start with the first one. So what I love about 289 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:02,319 audio drama is from the productions side and from the listener side, it's so 290 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,960 imagination driven. So anything that you can think of, pretty much anything can 291 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,519 be created an audio drama. People talk about movies these days and how exciting 292 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:17,880 they've gotten with visual effects and all that, and sets and costumes, and 293 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,759 it's true, it's pretty amazing what they're able to create in film, but 294 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,960 still none of that holds a candle to the power of the imagination. And 295 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,759 nothing can match what God has given us in our brains to create these pictures. 296 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,079 And so anything that you can imagine you can have as part of an 297 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,599 audio drama. And that goes with the listeners as well. Is that unlike 298 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,720 a film where you just say, Okay, here's what this character looks like, 299 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,839 here's what this place looks like, and it might be pretty amazing, 300 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,079 but there's only one look then that's the established look for that character or place, 301 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,680 whereas with audio drama, everybody's part of this, and they're creating their 302 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,880 own picture of the character. So everybody has their own picture of the town 303 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,559 of Odyssey, John Aver Whittaker of Wits End, and so it's almost like 304 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:11,119 a choose your own adventure kind of thing with audio drama is that everybody approaches 305 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,160 it differently. Yeah, yeah, I hadn't thought about it in quite those 306 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,039 terms before, but yeah, that's absolutely right. As far as how audio 307 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,480 drama has changed my life, I feel like everybody who has worked on a 308 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:27,160 program would say, you know, working on something for a long time, 309 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,319 there's no way that it can't change your life. I grew up listening to 310 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:36,319 Odyssey and had a great impact on my spiritual life. Still does, and 311 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:41,079 I've been doing Odyssey as my job or career for twenty plus years now and 312 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,880 hope to do it for at least another twenty more, Lord Willing, So 313 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:52,039 I'd certainly been one of the foundational pieces of who I am today. Yeah, 314 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,720 that's wonderful. It's beautiful. And you know the problem with these quick, 315 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:57,160 short interviews is I can't follow up on him, and I want to 316 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,559 just dive deeply into these answers people are given. But we can't. We 317 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,640 we're trying to get as many people involved as possible. So I love your 318 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,720 answer, but we're gonna move on to the lightning round. I'm calling it 319 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,920 this or that. I got a couple of things I'm gonna toss out at 320 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,240 you, and you just whatever one your preference is between these, you just 321 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,279 shout it out. And if you want to add a couple of clarifying words, 322 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,359 that's that's totally fine too. But are you ready? I'm ready? 323 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,119 All right? Mountains or beach, Oh, mountains, all right? Rubber 324 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:36,720 chicken or rubber ducky, rubber ducky and Mexican food or Italian food? Italian? 325 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,839 All right? A favorite dish canlony? Ooh oh right, all right, 326 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,359 hey, most people go with the savory stuff, but yeah, gotta 327 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,039 mix in some sweet stuff every once in a while too, right, Well, 328 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,240 are you thinking of Canoli's or cannelony? Oh? Yes, yes, 329 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,920 you're right, Yeah, I was thinking of Cannoli. Yeah yeah, Well 330 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,759 Canloni is like the they look similar, but Canloni is usually filled with cream 331 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:03,839 and cheese and chicken maybe in the Catalonia is like the sweet stuff. So 332 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,319 that's rights similar shape, probably have the same root word thinking, you know, 333 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:14,400 considering Italian, probably yes, Well, thank you so much. Yeah, 334 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,359 thank you, JD. And thanks for all you're doing for the medium 335 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,119 of audio drama. Oh it's my pleasure. I love this space so much. 336 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200 Todd Busdeed is an amazing sound designer who has been working in the industry 337 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,079 for many years. And Todd has worked on shows like Adventures in Odyssey, 338 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,960 Lamplighter Theater, Left Behind, the Augustine Institute Radio Theater, and more recently 339 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,519 with River Cross and did some amazing work with them. Well, Todd, 340 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,960 the question that I've been asking everybody today is what is it about this medium 341 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,759 of audio drama that you love that keeps you working in it year after year? 342 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,319 And or how has working in audio drama impacted your life. Well, 343 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,079 there's a historical anchoring, JD. In that I grew up as a kid 344 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:07,640 listening to all these great dramas generated by Moody Radio Sailor Sam, Sugar Creek 345 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,960 Gang and even back to that, and then of course stories of great Christians, 346 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,480 and so I grew up on that. But the thing that really turns 347 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:22,000 my crank is that it ignites the imagination, because when you hear a voice 348 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,240 of the bad guy. You can attach the figure of that guy down the 349 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,799 street who would yell at you if you happen to ride your bike across his 350 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,000 lawn, and so that became the bad guy, and it just became so 351 00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:40,519 much more personal. And so it's a medium that engages the imagination, the 352 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:45,200 theater of the mind. We like to say we're doing everything you'd hear in 353 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,079 a movie except the pictures, because you know, a movie tells you exactly 354 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:52,319 what the bad guy looks like, and if you don't know anybody like that, 355 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,240 there's a subtle sense of detachment, whereas if you hear a voice, 356 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,799 you can project that onto somebody who you know might be a scary part of 357 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,640 your past. So yeah, and in terms of how this has been, 358 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,160 it's just a wonderful journey for me. I've had so many opportunities to play 359 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,720 around with storytelling. And that's really, you know, I mean, it's 360 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:22,799 really the essence of it. It's play It's a playful medium. You're storytelling, 361 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:30,359 you're putting together people who have similar passions, different gifts, and the 362 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,079 end product is this storytelling. So whether you're doing post or whether you're writing, 363 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:38,599 whether you're just one voice in a cast of forty, whether you're directing, 364 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,039 whatever it is you're doing, you're part of this collaborative storytelling. And 365 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,319 it's wonderfully playful in its essence. Oh yeah, absolutely, I love that 366 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,000 aspect of it too, Just the collaborative, the process, it's just amazing. 367 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,200 And hearing that final mix as it comes together, it's just it's just 368 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,519 beautiful. Yeah, it's bigger than any one person because there is no audio 369 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,400 drama that is the product of one person. Now you can have a drama 370 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,599 about a person. We've done the story of C. S. Lewis during 371 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,440 the war years, so that's about CS Lewis. But it's all this collaborative. 372 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,039 We have great composers coming in, we have a fantastic cast of actors 373 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:30,599 of writers. It's this wonderful collaboration. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, the 374 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,039 downside of these short, quick conversations is that we can't go any further into 375 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,720 this. But we're gonna have to have you back on to do that at 376 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,759 some point. But let's move on to the lightning round. I'm calling it 377 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,079 this or that. I'm going to toss out a couple of things and you 378 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,559 just tell me which is your preference. In these pairs of things. How's 379 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,160 that sound yep, let's do it all right, mountains or beach mountains, 380 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,400 all right? Rubber chicken or rubber ducky, definitely rubber ducky. Okay, 381 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,799 okay, how about Mexican food or Italian food? Oh see, Now, 382 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,920 now you're gonna get me in trouble because there is a gentleman sitting in the 383 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:12,519 control room who espouses the former, though I kind of lean towards the latter, 384 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:18,319 so I'm going to say Swiss cheese. See how I went neutral? 385 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,440 Okay, Well, hey, that works. There's no wrong answers here, 386 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,440 so I'm glad to hear that. Well. Thank you so much, Todd. 387 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,000 I really appreciate it. Love it. JDT, you sent me an 388 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,920 email and said we're just going to talk for ten minutes, and I thought, 389 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,759 how do you talk for ten minutes about something so fun? Is audio 390 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,480 drama? But apparently you're just gonna cut it off and we'll have to live 391 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,440 to chat another day, Yes, sir, Thanks JD. Thank you. 392 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,039 Alisia Hansen is a newer entrant into the audio drama space in just the last 393 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,559 handful of years, but she's already making some amazing content and working on all 394 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:02,599 sorts of different projects. She is a writer, director, producer, actress 395 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,519 for Eternal Future Productions, the company behind Pirateers, Robin Hood, Rising to 396 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,920 Honor, and the upcoming show Venture, and of course as an actress, 397 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,559 she has participated in lots of other shows as well well. Thank you Alicia 398 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,119 for coming on this special episode. The question that I'm asking everybody today is 399 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000 what is it about working in this medium of audio drama that you really enjoy? 400 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:32,519 What keeps you pumped to keep working in this space, and or how 401 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,359 has working in this space impacted your life? So the first thing that comes 402 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,799 to mind when I think about, like why I love audio drama so much 403 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,359 is it's the people. And it was the first thing I noticed as I 404 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,640 was kind of getting my feet wet and gaining more experience in this just how 405 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:56,480 kind everybody is and how supportive and how you know, people just want to 406 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,400 help each other out and want to see each other succeed. And I saw 407 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,599 so much evidence of that even in the pulmonary audiodramas I was creating for my 408 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,599 resume basically, and you know, start out as fun, and I realized 409 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440 I wanted to do more of it because a big reason is just the people, 410 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,000 and my other reason is is and my most important reason is for God, 411 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:28,839 because I found my purpose in creating audio drama for Him and you know, 412 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,359 finding ways to glorify Him through that. And I've always loved to tell 413 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,200 stories, as you know, as a kid, and audio drama is such 414 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:43,720 a beautiful way to do that because you're not just immersing listeners in a story. 415 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:50,279 You're giving them this opportunity to visualize things themselves and to imagine things themselves. 416 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,519 And it's such a beautiful partnership. And I think I think I've heard 417 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,519 that before, actually, that somebody has said that, you know, audio 418 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,880 drama is very much like a partnership with you and the listeners, and so 419 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,960 yeah, I just it's really comes down to the people and just the beautiful 420 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,759 people I have met and even become very dear friends with. I think of 421 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,799 Jonathan Cook and Craig Hart and Bethany Baldwin, just to name a few, 422 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:19,759 and that doesn't even include the entire amazing ADA group. And that wouldn't have 423 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:23,880 been a possiblity without you, JD. Because You've been incredible to just your 424 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,240 support and the resources you've provided to Jonathan and I and we would never have 425 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:36,480 met you had we not explored audio drama. So too many good things to 426 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:42,720 count, Oh, very kind. Yeah, and that's sort of a theme 427 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,160 that I've been hearing talking with people. Is you use the word partnership, 428 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,839 I've heard collaboration. I've heard other different terms used for this same sort of 429 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,559 concept of working with the listener to create the story. So yeah, I 430 00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,960 love that. I love that. So I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. 431 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,559 So, you know, are you ready to have a little bit of fun, 432 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:06,240 we'll jump into the lightning round I'm calling it, yes, or that. 433 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,119 I'm going to toss out a couple of things and you just let me 434 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:14,239 know what's your favorite between these and feel free to, you know, explain 435 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,599 it a little bit if you want to, but no, no obligation. 436 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:22,239 First off, mountains or beach, beach, rubber chicken or rubber ducky hmm, 437 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,440 I'd say rubber chicken just because I don't see those very often. And 438 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:34,119 lastly, Mexican food or Italian food. Italian all right, to any particular 439 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,000 dish that's your favorite. I love. I know it seems a little boring, 440 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,679 but I love spaghetti. And meatballs. It's just comforting. And when 441 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:46,760 you add garlic bread to that, it's just divine. It's perfection. Yeah, 442 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,039 awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking a few minutes out 443 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,480 of your day to chat with me today for this special episode. Appreciate it 444 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,800 very much. Yes, thank you so much, Shady, and for everything 445 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,519 that you do for us. I appreciate it. Oh, it's my pleasure. 446 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,760 Greg Hart is a longtime voice talent and novelist who has entered into the 447 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 audio drama industry in just the last few years, and he is now a 448 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,400 writer, director, actor and producer in this industry working for his company LRT 449 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,280 Media, the company behind productions like The Titanic, waf Sherlock Holmes, Heritage 450 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,400 Chapelain Squeak, and Robin Hood Rising to honor. Well, Craig, thank 451 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,599 you so much for joining us on this special episode. And the question that 452 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,039 I've been asking everybody today, and it's sort of a two parter and you 453 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,760 can tackle it however you wish. What is it that you love about working 454 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,239 in this medium of audio drama, what keeps you coming back to it, 455 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:45,320 and or how has working in audio drama impacted your life? We'll take the 456 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,679 second part first. So it's impacted my life immensely. I've been listening to 457 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,679 audio drama since I was a little kid, and that formed my imagination and 458 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:59,559 so anything, I really credit audio drama in a big way with all of 459 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,440 the things that I have been doing with that's writing books, producing audio dramas, 460 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,840 of the various things that I've done over the years, a lot of 461 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760 that usually it's creative and imaginative in nature, because that's what I love doing, 462 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,719 and that is a big part has been because of that early exposure to 463 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,840 audio drama, and that ties in with my answer to the first part of 464 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,840 that question, which is what I love about it, and that is kind 465 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,880 of the same answer that it allows a person to delve into their imagination in 466 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,079 ways that I do not believe is possible with say TV or movies. Books 467 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,880 are similar, but when you've got something like television and movies that presents everything 468 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,000 you need to know on a silver platter, you don't need to do the 469 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,760 work yourself. And again, I think that's what is tempting to a lot 470 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,280 of people about TV and movies because you can zone out and there's nothing necessarily 471 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,079 wrong with that. If you're relaxing whatnot. But there's something about like reading 472 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:04,800 books or in this case, listening to audio dramas that forces you to engage 473 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,000 in the product in order to get out from the product what is necessary to 474 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,760 enjoy the product. And in doing that way, it's sort of the symbiotic 475 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,719 relationship where it's you're supporting audio drama, but you're also doing yourself a great 476 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,719 favor in building your imagination and your ability to think, your ability to enter 477 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,559 into other worlds, and ultimately, because of that, increases your empathy for 478 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,159 the world around you and those who inhabit it. Yeah, I mean, 479 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:37,159 you're you're a participant in the storytelling process. It's a collaborative medium in that. 480 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,199 Yeah, you're absolutely right. I love that well. I mean I've 481 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,000 been telling people the downside of these is that I don't get to follow up 482 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,360 and carry on the conversation here, which I would love to go deeper on 483 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,880 these things. But we want to get as many people as possible participating in 484 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,960 this episode, So we're gonna move on to the lightning round. I'm calling 485 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,679 it this or that. You just I'm gonna shout out a couple of different 486 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,679 things you tell me off the top of the head, which one you prefer? 487 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,440 Are you ready? I think so we'll take it easy on you, 488 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:15,280 all right. First off, mountains or beach beach, rubber chicken or rubber 489 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:22,360 ducky chicken. And lastly Mexican food or Italian food. Mexican food, all 490 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:29,519 right, any particular dish I love, like the inchilada is where you get 491 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,000 multiples, like in the same dish, so you can have your cheese and 492 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:40,639 your your beef and your whatever carnetas hopefully red or green sauce. Oh, 493 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,559 I guess red sauce. These are tough questions. The first one was easier. 494 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,760 You're talking about food now I can't handle it. Yeah, I know. 495 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,320 The good thing is there's no wrong answers. So oh this is really 496 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,679 fun. Thank you so much, Craig. I really appreciate you taking the 497 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:04,239 time, absolutely time. Phil Lawler is another name in this industry that anybody 498 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,920 who's been around the space for any length of time has heard. He is 499 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,840 the co creator of Adventures in Odyssey and of course a writer and director for 500 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,360 that show. He's the creator of Iliot House. He was also a writer 501 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,639 for Kids Corner as well as in recent years, writing for a Lamplighter Theater. 502 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,159 Well, Phil, the question that I've been asking everybody today is what 503 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,599 is it about the medium of audio drama that you love working in and you 504 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:34,440 know it just keeps you coming back here after year and on different different shows, 505 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,440 and or how has working in this medium impacted or changed your life? 506 00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:45,320 Well, the answer to the first question is, I think it's the best 507 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,119 way to tell stories. All of the all of the communication media are wonderful 508 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:55,679 in terms of they have their their individual strengths and some weaknesses, and some 509 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,760 of the weaknesses are really really weak. But I think audio drama especially is 510 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,840 the best way. It gets the best of all worlds. And the reason 511 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,599 I say that is and a lot of people say, now, wait a 512 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,039 minute, how come you don't have any visuals? Yeah, that's exactly it. 513 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:15,480 That's exactly the reason. You have to rely on story. You have 514 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:23,360 to rely on great storytelling and writing and the performances of the actors and sound 515 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,480 effects and music, and those are all that you have. And so it 516 00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:37,119 provides the strongest elements of movies, of film and television and video and YouTube, 517 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,800 video, whatever whatever you want to call it, whatever visual medium you 518 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,559 decide to go into it provides those strengths because those strengths are important in those 519 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:52,880 areas as well. But it also provides the strengths of books, of written 520 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,159 things that are written out on paper. And then for those who say, 521 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,199 yeah, but how how does it provide the strengths of movies without the visuals, 522 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,880 Well, you have the visuals. You provide the visuals. It's all 523 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,559 in your head. It's active listening. You have to participate in the story. 524 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,880 You have to participate in the story. So many of us, I 525 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,679 can tell you right now everybody has gone through a period where they looked at 526 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,199 where they're watching a movie, or they're watching a television series, or they're 527 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,360 watching some stuff on YouTube or on the computers or whatever, and it's all 528 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,320 background. You don't have to participate in it is there. It is just 529 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,039 there, and you can be thinking about something else, doing something else, 530 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,280 doom scrolling, whatever it is that you want to know that you want to 531 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,639 be doing, but you can't really do that with audio drama. You have 532 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:39,880 to participate in it. You have to be there either you know this is 533 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,599 Yoda time, it's do or do not. There is no try, there 534 00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,199 is no just kind of letting it go on in the background. When I 535 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,920 hear when I see people right into it to us and say, oh, 536 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,159 we just have Odyssey on in the background all the time. No, you 537 00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,599 don't. You really don't. I mean, either you are listening actively to 538 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,960 it or you're not doing it at all, and it really is just noise. 539 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:00,519 I mean, it's possible for to just be noise in the background. 540 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,639 But that's why I love the medium so much. I think it's such a 541 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:10,440 great storytelling medium. It's the strongest storytelling medium that there is, in my 542 00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,880 opinion. I've worked in all of the other ones. I've written books, 543 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,119 I've written television shows, I've worked on films, I've done different kinds of 544 00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:25,440 video stuff. And while I while I've enjoyed myself immensely doing all those things, 545 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,599 I always want to come back to audio drama always, always, always, 546 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,239 And it's a special a specialty kind of writing. You have to know 547 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,239 how to write for it. You have to have a real strong grasp of 548 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,679 story and how that works, and performance is the same way. You have 549 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,039 to All of it has to come through the voice. All of it has 550 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,760 to come through the voice. And if you it's a specialty type of acting 551 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,280 too. I mean, it really is. If you don't know, you 552 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,400 have to you have to do all of that without overperforming. You know, 553 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,719 everything has to come to the voice without without you chewing the scenery or chewing 554 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,599 the microphone or whatever it is. You know, you've got to be able 555 00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,559 to know when to get close on that microphone and when to pull back from 556 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,880 that microphone, and when to get the dynamics are enormously important in audio drama, 557 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,360 and part of that is the director and part of that is the performer. 558 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,039 But when you get the two, I mean, I go to My 559 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,760 example for me would be Gregory Javara and his performance in Christmas Bells. I 560 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,079 keep coming back to that because he was so good in that, and and 561 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,039 I just gave him this direction of saying, Okay, when you're doing the 562 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,719 poems, I want you to enter into an ethereal world. This is like 563 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:45,840 talking to the next It's a transcendent experience, transcendent experience, and I want 564 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,800 it to feel that way as opposed to when you're playing Longfellow, just as 565 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,800 Longfellow, and then as opposed to when you're being Pastor Wilson. You know, 566 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,239 and and he he just nailed it, just nailed it. I was 567 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,800 talking to Jonathan Crowe yesterday. He came by and he saw me here when 568 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,920 I live in Arizona. He was passing through and he had some coffee, 569 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,199 and I said, you know that we've been so privileged to experience so many 570 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,639 magical and that's the best word for it, just magical moments in the studio 571 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,280 where we're creating this stuff out of nothing. You know, it's air, 572 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,679 and yet whole worlds are being created. It's the teeniest, tiniest, most 573 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,440 infinitesimal taste of what it must have been like for God at creation. Just 574 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:36,159 out of nothing, you're creating something that's this world that people really love and 575 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,159 really think is out there and really want to be a part of themselves. 576 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,239 So that's the reason that I love audio drama more than I think any other 577 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:47,800 kinds of storytelling. I know, I do more than any of the kind 578 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,599 of storytelling I like. I write writing books that that has been a good 579 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,119 experience, too, a really wonderful experience, all of it. All of 580 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,159 it has been really really good. But audio drama just has everything else beat 581 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,000 by a mile. And in terms of storytelling and narrative storytelling. As far 582 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:05,280 as what it's done to my life, I think you can tell from the 583 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,800 passion that I have for it, what's done, what's done to my life? 584 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,280 You know, I always, I always liked listening to audio dramas. 585 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,840 When I was a kid, I always I really loved listening to the old 586 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,880 Jack Bennie shows and you Bet Your Life and radio radio shows from from the 587 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,840 golden age of radio. I loved listening to those and doing stuff in front 588 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,840 of a live audience listening to those kinds of shows. And then and then 589 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,840 the dramas themselves they used to have. There used to be a show on 590 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,519 called the CBS Radio Mystery Theater and I would listen to that when I was 591 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,000 a teenager and I was working at Dairy Queen, and we would listen to 592 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000 that while we were cleaning up. It was right right when closing time happened, 593 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:42,840 and we were cleaning up, and so we turn on the radio and 594 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,519 there would be CBS Radio Mystery Theater and they were producing original stuff at that 595 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:52,000 point, and they had really great They had people who had great voices on 596 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,719 that show. So Fred Gwynn, who played Hermann Munster on The Munsters, 597 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,440 was was one of the actors that they would and he had such a great 598 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,760 voice. I listened to his voice, I'm like, wow, wow, 599 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,079 listen to that tone, that quality. It's so cool. And and so 600 00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:14,079 when I got the opportunity with Focus on the Family to create Adventures in Odyssey 601 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,360 and to work with really good top Knoch actors how Smith and Walker, Edmiston 602 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,079 and Will Ryan, Katie Lee Parley Bear, Dave Madden, all of these 603 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,320 people who were who were so good for me. It was just a masterclass. 604 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,880 I sat there, Yeah, I'm supposed to be directing you, but 605 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440 I'm just listening to you because I want to know, how do you guys 606 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,679 do that? How do you do that? How do you make that quality 607 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,079 come across in the microphone? Earl Bowen, Earl Bowen, for goodness sakes, 608 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,639 Earl's voice, Hory Burton's voice. These guys had such remarkable voices, 609 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,119 and man, that that was truly life changing too. It was just like 610 00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,280 wow, wow. And again it's the it's the magic of the combination their 611 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,000 performances, their vocal quality, saying words that you've written or that we've written 612 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,639 and we've all worked on, and then making those words sound natural and even 613 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,400 better than what you did when you wrote them. And those those things are 614 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,480 all all really just uh phenomenally transforming. I mean, they do change everything. 615 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,760 They change, they change your life. And you walk around now, 616 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,440 and you you, I'm sure you know this, producing your own dramas, 617 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,639 doing your own programs like this. You walk around and you're hearing things that 618 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,679 you never heard before because your ears are so attuned to oh, oh you 619 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:40,119 hear that. You hear that noise? Isn't that cool? And everybody else 620 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,880 around you is what noise? What are you talking about? Oh? Why 621 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,800 wait? Wait wait here it comes there? He goes, do you hear 622 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,360 that thing? Isn't that cool? I got to record that noise because I 623 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,039 betge we could use that somewhere, you know. Uh. And you're so 624 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,840 attuned to nuance of language. When you're talking to people and you realize they 625 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,559 just said something, Oh, they just said that. There was a huge 626 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,559 amount of subtext in that little delivery that they just did a huge amount of 627 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,920 subtext. They're telling me one thing, but they really mean something else. 628 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,320 You recognize that. It becomes part of who you are, and so that 629 00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:14,599 that's really wonderful. And then I think for me. Also part of the 630 00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:20,400 change of how it changed my life transformed everything is being able to produce biblical 631 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,880 stories, being able to produce stories from scripture, and getting into that This 632 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,599 works on so many different levels. It works on the writing level because you 633 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,320 really have to dig deep. You have to do a lot of research to 634 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,760 make sure that you're being true to the story and you're getting across what the 635 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,719 story says. You know that you have to get the right characters, you 636 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,639 have to write, get the right actors for the parts, and then in 637 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:46,280 the directing of it, you really have to know how the nuance of performance 638 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,480 works and what you really want these characters to say. Because these are scriptural 639 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:53,599 characters, you want to make them human. But by the same time, 640 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,880 everything they say is symbolic of something else that's going on. There's always so 641 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:05,400 much more depth to every single line in scripture than we realize, and so 642 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,119 you while we don't have time to do all of that in a half an 643 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,800 hour show, you want to give an inkling of it. You want to 644 00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:14,719 have them understand that this you know them, and then convey that to the 645 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,039 audience to understand the deeper meaning of scripture and that of course is always always 646 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,840 a transformative experience. So yeah, those those are that would be my that 647 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,159 would be my answer. I'm sure I'm going way off here, but those 648 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,000 are those are all transforming? Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, And there's so 649 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:34,360 much that I would love to dive into. But we're just gonna happen to 650 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,360 have you come back on the show and we'll go a little more deeply into 651 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,159 all of these other things. But hey, you ready for the lightning round? 652 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,159 All right? Here we go. All right, I'm gonna throw a 653 00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:46,360 couple of things at you. You just fire off what your preference is between 654 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,119 these two things, all right, mountains or beach mountains. How about rubber 655 00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:58,000 chicken or rubber ducky rubber chicken? And lastly, Mexican food or Italian food. 656 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,880 Oh boy, this is not fair because I love Italian food. We 657 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,039 can't eat it. It's all cumb sauces and cheeses and stuff, and I 658 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,159 can't really do that. And I really love Mexican food, but I've had 659 00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,559 it like three times this week, so I'm really off Mexican. So I 660 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,480 had it just last night, and we had it two nights before that, 661 00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,679 and I'm like kind of off Mexican food right now. But if I had 662 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,000 to make a choice, if I was put up, I think probably Italian. 663 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,400 There's some Italian I can eat, and so I eat that stuff. 664 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,559 That'd be great. And living in the Southwest, you get a lot of 665 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,159 Mexican food and great Mexican food down here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 666 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,480 yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely we were going to go. 667 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,280 This is so funny that you should say that, because just last night we 668 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,239 were going to my wife and my grandson. Their birthdays are close together, 669 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,199 so we were going to go out. We had a whole family where we're 670 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,280 gonna go out to an Italian restaurant. But somebody didn't make reservations. Oh 671 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,639 no, and this the only Italian restaurant even close to us. It's like 672 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,039 the only one around here. And so we all went down there and they 673 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,679 said, well, it's going to be like an hour to an hour and 674 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:55,559 a half. We had nine people and it's like going to be hour an 675 00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:58,480 hour and a half. Four of them were kids. It's like, we 676 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,880 can't wait an hour. So guess where we went. We went to a 677 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:07,559 Mexican place. Well, I mean, you didn't really lose I guess no, 678 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:08,599 no, it was all fine. It was very good. We really 679 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:12,000 love the we really love the Mexican place too, but it was just it 680 00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,039 was just so funny that you picked those two things. That was hilarious. 681 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000 Oh, Phil, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate 682 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,239 it. You bet, buddy. Anytime, welcome, we'll come back. 683 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,079 We'll have an even more in depth conversation about audio drama and what it means 684 00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:30,480 and how it works. Yes, Sir. Dave Arnold is another mainstay in 685 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,119 this industry who has been working tirelessly for many years now as the executive producer 686 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,760 of Adventures in Odyssey. He is a writer, director, producer, and 687 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,760 sound designer, and in addition to his work on Adventures and Odyssey, he 688 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,920 also has worked on Focus on the Family Radio Theater and the standalone production The 689 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,239 Shepherd's Prayer. Well, Dave, I mean, this is kind of crazy 690 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,599 to have this be your first appearance on the Audio Theater Central podcast for such 691 00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,320 a short chat here, but thank you for doing it. And the question 692 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,519 that I'm asking everybody in this episode is sort of a two parter, and 693 00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,039 feel free to tackle it however you wish, but I'm just kind of like 694 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:14,599 to know your opinions on what is it about this medium of audio drama that 695 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,039 just keeps you engaged, why do you keep coming back to it a year 696 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:22,079 after year, and or how has working in this space impacted your life personally. 697 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,400 Yeah. The reason I enjoy working on audio drama I've done it for 698 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,719 thirty seven years, so I guess I really do enjoy it. But first 699 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:37,119 of all, it's provided me with so many different creative opportunities through the years. 700 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:42,880 I started as a sound designer, I moved into writing and directing. 701 00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,960 I've done some acting, I've produced the show, I've executive produced the show. 702 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:52,199 It's also led to the opportunity to write some books for the series, 703 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,880 and other opportunities I can't even talk about yet because they're on the cusp of 704 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,360 things. So I've had so many different opportunities creatively, and I love that 705 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,280 I've been given those opportunities. Plus just to meet so many amazing creative people. 706 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:16,519 It's the voice talent in the industry is filled with genuinely nice people, 707 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,960 people you enjoy working with with no ego, no inflated ego. They just 708 00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:29,079 love working and they love acting. I'd say the second reason I enjoy it 709 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:35,480 so much JD is because even though a story can be told in any number 710 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,440 of ways, from a book to a film, or through photos, even 711 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:47,800 or through the oral expression of just telling a story or drama, is that 712 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,360 every one of those has different, unique, peculiar benefits. Like a book, 713 00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,440 for example, will take you deeper into the character's mind and maybe they 714 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440 can describe this setting a bit more. But a book takes a greater investment 715 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,519 of time, and it doesn't supply you with quite as much information as audio 716 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:16,719 does in terms of how to understand what a sound would be in that sort 717 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,079 of environment. Film just gives you everything. All that requires is time and 718 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:28,360 attention. It applies all of the information to you. But audio dramas involve 719 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,920 the listener as a co creator in the process. And I love that. 720 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:38,000 I love the fact that we give you enough information. And if we tell 721 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:42,159 it well, if we do our sound design well, if we tell the 722 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,280 story well, it conjures. Well not conjures is a bad word, but 723 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:54,840 it solicits you in a creative fashion to create the images in your mind, 724 00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,440 to see those pictures, and you supply ten different people can have ten different 725 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,599 images. And I really like that because now they are participating, and they're 726 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:10,000 engaged in it, and it just gives them an opportunity to understand creativity. 727 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:14,840 And quite honestly, I think that's why so many of the people that have 728 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:20,599 listened to Odyssey through the years have gone on into creative environments themselves, because 729 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:28,199 they have tasted of the beauty of the creative expression. I had not thought 730 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,239 about that before, but that makes absolute sense. And I know I'm supposed 731 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,880 to keep this short, but I just want to. I want to keep 732 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,440 going. You know many, I mean, Odyssey has had such an impact 733 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:45,239 on the majority of the other shows in this space. I mean there's been 734 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,960 some connection in some way to Adventures and Odyssey, either either just as a 735 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960 listener or you know, as you know, many of the people who have 736 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,920 worked on Odyssey have gone on to other projects. But yeah, that's that's 737 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,280 a huge, huge part of it. So yeah, I love that. 738 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,679 I love that, and I love that because it just expands ministry, right, 739 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,920 So, I mean some people might think that were threatened by other people 740 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,480 doing audio dramas. Are you kidding me? I love it. You know, 741 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,000 it just expands the kingdom. It's more people doing God's work and filling 742 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:22,719 in information that can be transformative. And I don't know if you had heard 743 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,360 this, but I was really I was really humbled when I heard that. 744 00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,920 Dallas Jenkins, who has done the Chosen, he said that Odyssey inspired him 745 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,599 to move into the creative field even more than his dad, who is Jerry 746 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,719 Jenkins writing the books. I thought, Wow, you know it's again, 747 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,880 it's not us. It's the fact that God will use whoever he's going to 748 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,800 use and whatever he's going to use to accomplish his mission and inspire other people 749 00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:55,400 to carry that mission into the different regions of the world. And that's what 750 00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:00,960 he started with his disciples. They took the message out because they were persecuted, 751 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,119 went out into the world in different regions, and that was how the 752 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,320 gospel was bred. And it's the same thing creatively. Yeah. Absolutely, 753 00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,000 Oh, I love that. There's so much we could talk about, but 754 00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,800 we've got to move on. Are you ready for the lightning round? Do 755 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,079 it? Let's do it all right? So I'm gonna throw a couple of 756 00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:21,039 items at you and you just let me know which one you prefer. I'm 757 00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:27,079 calling this this or that. Let's do it mountains or beach beach. Okay, 758 00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:30,159 rubber chicken or rubber ducky oh, rubber chicken? Are you kidding? 759 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,199 And lastly, Mexican food or Italian food? Mexican down all the time, 760 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,039 all right, all right, any particular favorite dish. My wife and I 761 00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:45,519 go out for Mexican quite often and we share I've got if you ever come 762 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,920 to Colorado Springs, I've got the perfect restaurant for you because it's become our 763 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:57,440 favorite. But we share a big fajita plate and it's just the smoked beans. 764 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,519 Well, now you're get me hungry. Oh well, thank you so 765 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,119 much, Dave. I really appreciate you taking the time today to chat with 766 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,320 me about this. Yeah, thank you for asking. I really enjoyed the 767 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,760 conversation. I hope we can do it again sometime, Yes, sir, 768 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,840 let's do it alrighty, Well, there are more great industry conversations to come, 769 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,679 but let's take a moment to hear from you here in the ATC community. 770 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:31,599 So what are you think of the show? Please leave your message after 771 00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:36,280 the chillne Hi Audien Peter Central, Hey, guys, this is awesome. 772 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,440 Hell about j D Royan Andrew Minum is Victoria Now. Yesterday I received a 773 00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:44,559 letter from a big fan. No time to joy, I've got an email. 774 00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:47,320 Listen another package for me today. No, it's actually just your mail. 775 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320 Well, for the feedback segment of this milestone episode, I wanted to 776 00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:00,880 only feature audio comments this time, just hearing your voice, because I wanted 777 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,360 your voice to be a part of this episode rather than just reading comments on 778 00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:10,719 a blog post or an email things like that, which I'm always grateful to 779 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,719 get any feedback at all, but I thought it would be special to include 780 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,840 your voice as members of the ATC family here in this special episode. So 781 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,519 let's go ahead and jump into this. Hello, Audio Theater Central. This 782 00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:30,280 is Christian Nanascian from Radio Theater Wiki and Henty Live Wiki coming at you from 783 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,960 all the way up here in the paw Manitoba. I'm also well known for 784 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,440 being a huge fan of Philip Glassparo and I wanted to wish you guys a 785 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,800 happy two hundredth episode and thanks for all that you have done over the years 786 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:51,760 in making more people aware of amazing family friendly audio drama. Here's to two 787 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,719 hundred more. And Philip, if you're listening, thank you for all of 788 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,960 the amazing work you have done over the years. And I hope to hear 789 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:04,599 more from you in the future. God bless you. Hi, Audio Theor 790 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,800 Central. This is Caleb Bresler. Hey, oh, no one wants to 791 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,960 hear from you. Hello, Audio Theater Central. You now have the pleasure 792 01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:19,679 of hearing a much more amazing actor than the person formerly speaking. I am 793 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:25,559 extending sincere congratulations on your two hundredth episode. In fact, I have written 794 01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:34,440 a short soliloquy for your enjoyment, which I am going to perform. What 795 01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:39,119 are you doing? I'm breaking in to spare the audience. Congratulations again on 796 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:45,920 the two hundredth episode and goodbye. How dare you you would deprive the audience 797 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,719 of my brilliant don't you? Dare? Presler? Stop button? Don't Hey? 798 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,400 This is David from Vancouver, Canada, just calling to congratulate ACC on 799 01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:59,719 two hundred episodes. That is quite the accomplishment. Some of my favorite Audio 800 01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:05,159 Theater Central episodes have been your interviews with the Odyssey cast and crew, and 801 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,039 I especially loved your Will Ryan and Katie Lee interview. It was a lot 802 01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:14,800 of fun and I actually re listened to that one recently and I just want 803 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,440 to thank you JD for your dedication for all the work you put into the 804 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:27,039 podcast and the Seneca Awards and just promoting audio drama as a medium. And 805 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:31,679 it was through ATC that I discovered so many audio dramas like Lamplighter and Heirloom 806 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:37,039 Audio. And I just want to thank you for everything you do, and 807 01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:43,519 I am so glad that ATC exists. All right, take care. Hello 808 01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:47,039 Audio Theater Central. This is Caleb Bresler. So I did my fun voicemail 809 01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:52,480 and now here's my serious voicemail. So, first of all, congratulations on 810 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:57,119 your two hundredth episode, and I also wanted to say how much I appreciate 811 01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,760 Audio Theater Central as a resource. I've made connections with people and heard about 812 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,920 shows and got involved in things that I would not have otherwise. So thank 813 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,840 you very much. I enjoy listening to the show each month when it comes 814 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:15,400 out and look forward to hearing what comes next. So once again, congratulations 815 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,039 on your two hundredth episode, and thanks again. Hello, Audio Theater Central 816 01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:28,519 contest. This is Jeremy Leavy from Colado. I have been a loyal listener 817 01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:37,880 to Audio Theater Central concasts since twenty nineteen. I just wanted to send a 818 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:46,000 message congratulating you on your two hundredth episode. I love the episode when you 819 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:55,239 talk about Adventures and Odyssey and Pause and tales. Again, congratulations on your 820 01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:02,320 two hundredth episode. Thanks bye. Hi. This is Odyssey Fan. Congratulations 821 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,559 on two hundred episodes. I've been listening since early on specifically content related to 822 01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:13,920 Adventures in Odyssey, and I had the privilege of meeting JD in person in 823 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,880 twenty twelve and being interviewed for episode twenty five. I've been a sponsor of 824 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,920 the ATC Ceneco Awards for the past five years and recently reconnected with JD again 825 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:29,119 at Sonic Con twenty twenty three. I think the ATC has helped set the 826 01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:34,400 standards for other audio drama industry and I'm looking forward to the next chapter in 827 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,159 family friendly audio drama. Congratulations again. Audio Theater Central, congratulations Audio Theater 828 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:49,079 Central for your two hundred episode. Herty Hazza on a brilliant milestone. This 829 01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:53,199 is Jason Markilitz, audiobook narrator, actor, voice actor and director of Marketwitz 830 01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:59,519 Audio Work. Wishing JD and Audio Theater Central my spirius. Congratulations on two 831 01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:02,679 hundred episodes. The work you do in support of the audio drama industry is 832 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:08,000 appreciated by all of us, and here's the two hundred more. Here's to 833 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:13,599 you. Hey, everybody at Audio Theater Central. Phil Lahler here, just 834 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,000 wanted to congratulate you on your two hundredth episode. That's fantastic but a great 835 01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:24,760 milestone, and here's to two hundred more. God bless you all and thank 836 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,639 you for doing the work that you do. Thank you, JD. Bye. 837 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,519 Happy two hundredth episode ATC and JD. This is such an incredible milestone. 838 01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:36,360 I know you're so excited, and I just wanted to hop on and 839 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:44,760 say congratulations. We really appreciate everything that ATC does. There's truly nothing like 840 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,000 it out there. It's an incredible resource for everyone, for those in the 841 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:54,519 industry, for fans, and even for new listeners who haven't heard of audio 842 01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:58,119 drama before. This is a great place to jump in and learn. And 843 01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:01,360 I'm so excited to see where you go from here. Here's to two hundred 844 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:08,039 more episodes. Hi. This is Trisia Rose, voice actor, audiobook narrator 845 01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:14,719 and co host of Audio Drama Insiders. Happy two hundredth episode Audio Theater Central. 846 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,559 Congratulations and being the go to podcast that delivers solid, genuine news and 847 01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:27,119 reviews of all things family friendly audio drama. My favorite part of the show 848 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,920 is the new segment. I always get excited hearing about all the new projects 849 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,559 in the works. I remember somehow stumbling over this podcast a number of years 850 01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:41,519 ago when I must have been searching for information on how to get involved in 851 01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,920 voice acting, and the first episode I listened to was one where JD was 852 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:54,159 hosting live from some Adventures in audisationdig and I bookmarked it to explore later. 853 01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:58,800 The podcast came back to my life at a later time, and since then 854 01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,960 I knew that if I wanted to be serious about pursuing voice acting and audio 855 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:10,320 dramas, I needed to become a devoted listener. So Audio Theater Central has 856 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:15,159 been crucial in my life. I'm so glad to know there is a community 857 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:20,119 of like minded fans and creators of audio drama that are passionate about telling worthy 858 01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:28,880 stories. Audio Theater Central brings so much value to the world and JD you 859 01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:35,119 are awesome and very much appreciated. Oh thank you so much to every single 860 01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:39,920 one of you. I would love to have been able to take the time 861 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,800 to respond individually to each and every one of these messages, but that would 862 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,679 just take too much time. So I just want to say to all of 863 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,559 you collectively, thank you so much for taking the time to send in a 864 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,880 message. It really really means a lot to me. And there were two 865 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,960 calls there where they did not leave their name, and the first was Best 866 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,559 Nicholson, that very short message there about halfway through, and then towards the 867 01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:09,760 end Bethany Baldwin also. But both of them are great actresses in the audio 868 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,800 drama space, and I'm sure I'm very confident that you will be hearing from 869 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,800 them a lot more in the coming years. Again, thank you to all 870 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,519 of you. Well, let's jump into more conversations with some industry guests. 871 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,239 I have some very important information and I thought i'd be getting it into the 872 01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,760 hands of a real reporter. Sir, sir, can I speak to a 873 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,000 moment? Oh well, there's nothing to it. I just ask you the 874 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:35,440 questions and you answered them in the tape recorder. Here play the interview. 875 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:44,480 Aaron Fullan is a composer and actor who has experience in both film and audio. 876 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,039 In both of those disciplines composer and actor, but in terms of audio 877 01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:54,000 drama, he has composed music for adventures in Odyssey, Heirloom Audio as well 878 01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,559 as The Brinkman Adventures well Erin. Thank you so much for taking time to 879 01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:01,480 chat with me for this milestone episode. I really appreciate it. And you 880 01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:05,199 know, like I give you a little bit of a fore warning. You 881 01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:08,559 know, you have a little bit of a serious question and then we're going 882 01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:11,360 to jump into some fun stuff. But you know, the question I've been 883 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,760 asking everybody, just to get some different perspectives from industry folks, is what 884 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,479 is it about this medium of audio drama that just draws you in? Why? 885 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,840 Why do you love working in this space? And or it's sort of 886 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,439 a two parter, how has working in this space impacted your life? So 887 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,840 feel free to tackle that however you wish. Oh Man, First of all, 888 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,279 thank you so much for having me on JD. Congratulations on two hundred 889 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:40,079 episodes. That's a phenomenal milestone and I'm just thrilled for you and appreciate all 890 01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:44,800 that you have done for the audio drama medium. It the first word that 891 01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:50,920 comes to mind with a question like that is adaptable, like radio drama is 892 01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:57,319 such like it doesn't matter how old you are, it draws you in as 893 01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,039 much as your brain is able to at that age, you know, hearing 894 01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:06,880 stories that I heard when I was six, Now I see them differently through 895 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,159 the ears of an adult. And you can't say that for any sort of 896 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,520 visual medium. You know, when you see a movie at six years old, 897 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,079 it's the same movie you watch when you're thirty four. Audio drama, 898 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,439 you create the visuals in your mind, and so it's adaptable to whatever age 899 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,920 that is listening to it, and I think that is one of the most 900 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:35,319 powerful things about it, and the fact that nobody's vision of what they're listening 901 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:42,119 to is the same. And I love how unique this medium is, and 902 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,159 it's one that I've been passionate about for a long time. Working in it 903 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:53,920 as a composer creating music. Working alongside the likes of John Campbell and Jared 904 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,720 Typesqual and people who have really established a name for themselves in the audio drama 905 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,640 world has been one of the greatest privileges of my life. And when I 906 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:08,720 first got asked to compose an episode of Adventures in Odyssey, that really was 907 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,640 for me one of those bucket list items. So I just feel so blessed 908 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,560 and honored to be part of this community. Oh yeah, for sure, 909 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,640 that's fantastic. I love hearing that. Well, you know, there's so 910 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,399 much we could talk about. I'm sure we could talk for hours about it, 911 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,119 you know, as a fellow fan and not just a creative in this 912 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,920 space. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot we could talk about, 913 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,960 but unfortunately we're confined by time. So so you ready for jump into this 914 01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:38,439 little lightning round. I'm calling it this or that. I'll just throw a 915 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,720 couple of things at you and you just tell me which one you prefer. 916 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,279 All right, Okay, let's do it. First off, mountains or beach 917 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:54,880 beach okay, rubber chicken or rubber ducky ooh, rubber ducky hands down, 918 01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:01,640 okay. And lastly, Mexican food or Italian food. Mexican? All right? 919 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,680 I love tacos. Oh, I mean who doesn't. I mean, 920 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:10,119 if you don't love a taco, then what is wrong with you? I 921 01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:15,840 agree wholeheartedly. Oh goodness, well, thank you so much again. I 922 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,359 really enjoyed this, and we're gonna have to have you back on the show 923 01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:20,840 to talk a little bit more in depth about some of the nitty gritty about 924 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,479 audio drama. But thank you for taking the time. I really appreciate it. 925 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,239 You're welcome, Jadi, thanks for having me on. Kathy Sarah is 926 01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:33,319 a prolific actress in this space. As well as having an experience on stage 927 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,840 and on screen, she has worked with shows such as Focus on the Family 928 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:43,760 Radio Theater, Lamplighter Theater, The Extraordinary Adventures of g A. Hinty River 929 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,720 Cross, Big Finish BBC Radio and The Brinkman Adventures. Well, Kathy, 930 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,880 first of all, just want to say thank you so much for taking the 931 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:57,279 time to join us for this special episode. And the question I've been asking 932 01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:02,279 today is what is it about the media of audio drama that you enjoy working 933 01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:06,000 in. As somebody who has experience on the stage, on screen and in 934 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:12,279 front of the mic, I'm interested in your perspective and or how has working 935 01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:16,439 in audio drama impacted your life? Thank you well. I won the BBC 936 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:25,239 Carlton Hobbs Radio Drama Prize at Drama School, which gave me a contract working 937 01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:31,119 for six months on audio drama for the BBC Wow and I was learning every 938 01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:40,239 day from great actors, absolute legends of UK acting profession and it was absolutely 939 01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:47,000 foundational to my career. It opened up hundreds of doors to work that I 940 01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:55,960 have absolutely loved, and I think I also love its challenge distilling all character 941 01:12:56,079 --> 01:13:04,520 work, all intentions and emotions into just the voice and the variety of roles. 942 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,399 I would never have been able to play these parts on stage and screen, 943 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,279 that these opportunities would never have opened to me, from playing the young, 944 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:23,039 desirable Porsche of the Chambers in Rumpole of the Bailey to another day a 945 01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:32,319 drunken old Cockney mother from the personification of imagination which believed me really was my 946 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:40,319 role title, to playing all the female characters in an episode of Doctor Who 947 01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:45,600 recently. And so I love it for the learning, for the challenge, 948 01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:51,840 for the variety, and then I think for me finally in summary, for 949 01:13:51,960 --> 01:14:00,960 its playfulness. Yeah, that's beautiful, and I really really wish I had 950 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,520 more time to just sit and chat with you, But if you're up for 951 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,039 it, we're gonna have to have you come back at some point and have 952 01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:11,479 a proper sit down interview. I would love that, absolutely love it. 953 01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,640 Well, let's move on to the lightning round here. I'm calling it this 954 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,199 or that. I'm gonna throw out a couple things at you and you just 955 01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:21,560 respond with whichever one is your preference. And feel free to expound on it 956 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:28,359 a little bit if you want to, but no obligation to first off mountains 957 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,479 or beach mountains. All right, Yes, I love walking. I love 958 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,640 walking and getting up high and being able to get that perspective. I'm not 959 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,279 good at lying still on a beach, and that's what it comes up for 960 01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:42,840 me, So I just need to be walking and get to a pinnacle and 961 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,600 get the view. Yeah, yeah, I like that. How about this 962 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:53,439 one rubber chicken or rubber ducky oh, I think rubber chicken. I have 963 01:14:53,479 --> 01:15:00,479 a rubber chicken downstairs, and my husband is really quite mischievous, seems to 964 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,439 have kind of delivered this rubber chicken at various points to various ministers and colleagues, 965 01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,119 and so it's been rather great fun in our lives. So yes, 966 01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:15,279 definitely rub a chicken. I love that. That's awesome. And lastly, 967 01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:20,359 how about this Mexican food or Italian food? Oh? Italian, though I 968 01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:25,720 feel that I'm now not saying the right thing because I've just been to Bolivia 969 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,039 and I suppose Mexican is probably it's a little bit closer, and I do 970 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,479 love Mexican food, but no Italian Italian you could just anything with Italian flavoring. 971 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:39,000 I would any particular favorite dish? Oh, I knew you're going to 972 01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:45,279 say that. What would be my favorite dish? I love crabb Linguini. 973 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:46,960 I love the fact that they use a little bit of chili in it, 974 01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:51,640 a little squeeze of lime. I think that would be my favorite. You're 975 01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:58,680 making me hungry over here. Oh well, thank you so much. I 976 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,479 really really appreciate you taking the time, and we're definitely happy to have you 977 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:08,359 back. That would be wonderful. JD. Thank you. Marshall Younger is 978 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:12,840 a writer and director as well as the current showrunner for Adventures in Odyssey, 979 01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,600 which he has of course been a writer and director on that show for many 980 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:21,600 years, but he has also written for Lamplighter Theater and River Cross. I'd 981 01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,680 kind of like to hear from your perspective working in this space and not just 982 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,520 on Odyssey, but you know Lamplighter and you know you've worked on a lot 983 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,680 of other projects as well. So what is it about this medium of audio 984 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,880 drama that that just draws you in? Why do you enjoy working in this 985 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:42,640 medium and or how has working in this space impacted your life? Well, 986 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,359 there are a lot of reasons why I love audio drama, but I'll give 987 01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:50,039 you I'll give you two reasons. Number One, it's obviously a dialogue driven 988 01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:57,760 medium, and I love dialogue. I love words in general, and I 989 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,760 love that. I love the rhythms that people I still that the rhythms of 990 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,600 of how people talk, uh, the rhythms of of jokes of comedy, 991 01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:09,520 and I'm I'm just I'm fascinated with that, and I feel like that's something 992 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,960 that I'm uh, that's that's my strength. I think, I think even 993 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,640 more than story and character, I think I'm I'm good at dialogue and uh, 994 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,279 it really it's a bit of a cliche, but good dialogue really is 995 01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:27,159 like music to me. And there there are sometimes when I when I will 996 01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:30,560 think of, uh, what I feel like is a good line of dialogue, 997 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,439 and I will form an entire show around it, and I'll think, 998 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,520 Okay, how can I get to that line of dialogue, you know, 999 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,439 and uh in a natural way? And so you know, I'll do this 1000 01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,560 outline and I'll put that line in. And so that's I love that about 1001 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,680 audio drama, is that it's so dialogue driven. And a second reason is 1002 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,840 that when I was in college, I was a Radio TV Film major, 1003 01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:00,640 and even though radio is a third of that, I don't think I don't 1004 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,359 think I had ever heard an audio drama in my entire life up to that 1005 01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:10,479 point. I don't think I had. But the thing that the department of 1006 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,319 the Radio TV Film department, they didn't really emphasize radio that much. It 1007 01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:16,520 was more like working at a radio station kind of thing, like being a 1008 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,279 DJ, that that kind of feel. But when they talked about TV and 1009 01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:25,520 film, it was always that they said that film is a director's medium and 1010 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,119 TV is a writer's medium, meaning that the final product is more of a 1011 01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:34,600 result of the imagination of the director in the case of a film, and 1012 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,479 a writer in the case of TV. That's changed a little bit by now 1013 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:44,880 though now it's TV has become so complicated that it's becoming a director's medium and 1014 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,239 in fact, you know, there are comedies now there so that are in 1015 01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:50,960 TV shows that are improvised on the spot, and so it's becoming an actors 1016 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,960 medium. But the thing about audio drama is that to me, it's a 1017 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,840 listeners medium. I mean, it's also a writer's medium, but it's a 1018 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,920 listener's medium more than any any of the other ones, because it requires the 1019 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,560 listener to fill in the blanks. You know, they've they're the ones who 1020 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,920 have to decide what the people look like in the scene. They are the 1021 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,840 ones that have to decide what the setting looks like. They're the ones that 1022 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,520 have to have to decide what the what what the facial expressions are the people 1023 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,800 that are talking and and and film, you know that's facial expressions communicate just 1024 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,319 as much as the dialogue at times, and so uh and and so because 1025 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,439 it's a listener's medium, it makes it a more immersive experience for the people 1026 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,880 that are listening. And when it becomes an immersive experience, uh, they 1027 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,239 put themselves in the place of the characters. They empathize with the characters, 1028 01:19:40,279 --> 01:19:44,920 they love the characters more. And when that happens, you have the ability 1029 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,520 to change hearts because the emotion is real, the wisdom is real. And 1030 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:54,920 and that's I love that about audio drama. So those are those are the 1031 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,239 two things. And as as far as as being in the in the industry 1032 01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:02,479 is concerned, it helps that it's comparatively, it's it's a it's an inexpensive 1033 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,399 way to make a show, you know, It's an inexpensive way to to 1034 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:10,760 get your stuff out there because there's not as much pressure when you don't have 1035 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,159 a million dollar budget, you know. Yeah, you know, I went 1036 01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,079 through a phase when I loved film and I loved television and I want That's 1037 01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:21,720 all I wanted to do was write screenplays and work for work for a television 1038 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,079 show. And I got to do a little bit of that. So so 1039 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:28,159 so I got that out of my system and I'm to the point now where 1040 01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:31,840 I'm just really grateful that I have a platform to get my stuff out there 1041 01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:36,279 and that people can listen to it and potentially, you know, be moved 1042 01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:41,880 by it. Hmm. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's wonderful. And I've 1043 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,800 been loving here in these perspectives from everybody. And as I said to you 1044 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,119 a moment ago before we started recording it, you know, I'm gonna have 1045 01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:49,399 to have you come back because there's so much that we could talk about. 1046 01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,680 I mean, River Cross and the work you did a Lamplighter, So we're 1047 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,039 gonna have to do that at some point. But that's that's all we can 1048 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,560 squeeze in for today. But we do have a quick little lightning round. 1049 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,359 I'm calling it this or that. I'm going to toss out a couple of 1050 01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:08,319 things and you let me know which one is your preference. Are you ready? 1051 01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:11,279 I'm up for it, go for it. First off, mountains or 1052 01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:15,560 beach. Oh, mountains, I don't. I couldn't care less about the 1053 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,119 beach. My wife would be completely the opposite. And so we have, 1054 01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:24,239 you know, some conflicts there and where to pick our vacations. But I 1055 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,720 love the mountains. I love the hiking in the mountains. That's one of 1056 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,239 the favorite things to do. But the beach, you know, eh, 1057 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,560 I mean other than the weather. I mean the weather's usually nice in beaches. 1058 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:40,119 So yeah, okay, Well, how about rubber chicken or rubber ducky. 1059 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,680 I don't know what that means. Rubber chicken is funnier, rubber chickens 1060 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,840 are funnier. Yeah, you gotta admit that rubber duckies may be more useful. 1061 01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:57,119 I don't know what that means. That might be the strangest question I've 1062 01:21:57,159 --> 01:22:00,960 ever been asked, but I love it it. I'm going to say rubber 1063 01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:04,439 chicken. Okay, all right? And lastly, how about Mexican food or 1064 01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:11,159 Italian food? Oh? Wow, I find that Mexican food like in like 1065 01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:15,479 restaurants, is is less consistent. I think, I think it's very easy 1066 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,039 to get bad Mexican food and so and so I'm going to go with Italian 1067 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:24,000 just for that I love I love pizza and pasta and all that stuff, 1068 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,000 and so I'm gonna go Italian, but just barely, just okay, if 1069 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,159 if the Mexican food is really good, if Mexican food is really good, 1070 01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:33,760 then yeah I might go the other way. But for end of the day, 1071 01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:36,600 well, hey, you can always count on ATC to ask the hard 1072 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:43,399 hitting questions. So yes, yes, and now and now I'm not gonna 1073 01:22:43,399 --> 01:22:45,359 be able to sleep tonight because I'm I don't know how how I feel about 1074 01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:53,119 ruber chickens versus rubber duckies. So that that's really this is changing my life. 1075 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,039 Well, thank you for this, having this life changing conversation with me. 1076 01:22:57,119 --> 01:23:00,159 I really appreciate you taking the time. All right, Well, thanks 1077 01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:03,199 for having me Jay Day. This was fun, and yes, we absolutely 1078 01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:06,760 need to have a longer conversation because there are lots we could talk about. 1079 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,960 I have been very blessed to be involved in lots of really really well done 1080 01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:15,760 audio drama, and so I'd love to talk about it, love talking about 1081 01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:20,479 it. Glenn Haskell has been in and around the audio drama space for many 1082 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:26,720 many years as a writer, director, producer, and actor, and he 1083 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,079 is the creative behind First Acts Productions, bringing us shows such as Dragnet, 1084 01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:34,960 Arrange, Drifters on Demand, and many more. But he's also written for 1085 01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:40,920 and provided voices for Misfits, Audio, LRT Media, Eternal Future Productions, 1086 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:45,720 Greenhorn Tales, and just recently he provided a voice for one of my micro 1087 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,920 audio dramas. Can you just share a little bit about what it is about 1088 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:55,920 this medium of audio drama that you love and or how has working in this 1089 01:23:56,119 --> 01:24:00,119 medium for such a long time impacted your life? Well, I think probably 1090 01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:04,279 I'd have to go back to the start of whatever it is that I'm currently 1091 01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:09,840 doing, and that would have been late seventies, early eighties, doing some 1092 01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:15,199 stage things and helping We had a gong show at school and some other things 1093 01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,439 where I would go up in MC and this sort of thing. Then I 1094 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:23,079 became involved djaying at a skating rink. Ultimately that led to radio, and 1095 01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:27,760 that led to Stan Freeburg. And if that name rings means anything to you, 1096 01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:31,680 he really was the one that urged me to think differently about how I 1097 01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:38,520 created radio spots, and that in turn is what led me ten years later 1098 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,720 into audio drama. And so I've been hanging out doing that kind of sessence 1099 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:47,039 ninety four. So that's He's the guy stand free work. There are others 1100 01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:49,840 since then, but he was the first. So what is it about this 1101 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:56,000 medium that keeps you working in it? You know, it's no secret. 1102 01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:59,079 I took about three years off and I thought I was done. I thought, 1103 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:00,640 you know, I did some things that I'm proud of, and I'm 1104 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,800 happy with it. I'm also pleased to provide voice work for other people, 1105 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,199 but I don't need to do the writing. And it's crazy. Once, 1106 01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:12,159 once I came back and wrote something for the first time a little over a 1107 01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:15,760 year ago, I just that was the thing I've been missing. You know, 1108 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:21,199 I do a lot of other writing. This allowed some creativity that isn't 1109 01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,560 always President and He and all the other. Not that I'm not creative elsewhere, 1110 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:29,640 but you just scratched a different edge. I guess. Sure, sure, 1111 01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:34,159 yeah, Well that's that's the serious business question there. But let's let's 1112 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:38,119 move on to something a little more fun. Uh, I'm calling it this 1113 01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:40,600 or that so I'm going to toss out a couple of different things at you 1114 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,800 and you just let me know what is your preference between the two. Are 1115 01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,159 you ready? Sure? All right? First one, mountains or beach mountains. 1116 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,760 You know, I grew up in Wyoming, so that just seems, 1117 01:25:53,239 --> 01:25:55,560 you know, and I'm still where I'm at now, I'm not too far 1118 01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,640 away from Colorado. So yeah, mountains great? Great. How about rubber 1119 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:09,760 chicken or rubber ducky rubber chicken they have better videos. And lastly, Mexican 1120 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:15,359 food or Italian food? Oh? Probably Italian? It was real close. 1121 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:24,720 Any particular dish pizza? Oh yeah, yeah there Actually Italian made pizza is 1122 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,880 a little different than you know, the the other stuff. But yeah, 1123 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,920 that's it. That's the no no hardballs, huh yeah, I mean the 1124 01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:36,239 softballs. I mean I think I caught him. Yeah, there's no wrong 1125 01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:42,520 answers here. And I gotta agree with you on that. Some fresh sliced 1126 01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,439 mazzarell on there and maybe some basil leaves at all, that's some good stuff. 1127 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,920 Yeah, absolutely agree. Well, thank you so much for taking a 1128 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,760 few minutes to join us for this special episode. Yeah, thank you for 1129 01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:02,239 asking. How nice of you it was my pleasure. Katie Lee is a 1130 01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:09,319 prolific voiceover talent with experience in all different aspects of voiceover, but of course 1131 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,000 in this space. She's most known as the voice of Connie Kendall on Adventures 1132 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,279 in Odyssey, but she's also worked on shows such as Lamp Ladder, Theater, 1133 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:23,399 The Advinum, The Watch, and Abide. Well, thank you Katie 1134 01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:28,479 for joining us for this special episode. I wanted to get perspectives from various 1135 01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:33,520 different arenas of this industry, and so the question I'm asking everybody is what 1136 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:39,000 is it about the audio drama medium that really keeps you pulled in? I 1137 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,800 mean, you've been doing Odyssey for so many years, but in recent years 1138 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,920 you've been doing a lot more audio drama. So what is it about audio 1139 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,359 drama that keeps you coming back? And or how has working in this industry 1140 01:27:48,359 --> 01:27:55,399 of audio drama impacted your life? Oh? Wow, Well, I've always 1141 01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,119 liked audio drama. I mean ever since there was a kid. This is 1142 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:03,039 what I like is audio radio? You know, a broadcast. I think 1143 01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:11,199 I think it's the most intimate medium. You know, It's just it's something 1144 01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:15,880 very personal when you listen to something to somebody several times you feel like you 1145 01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:21,399 know them, and it's a little different watching you know, entertainment on TV. 1146 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,760 I don't know why. I think adding that other dimension sort of takes 1147 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,640 out your brain being more active, like it is an audio drama. So 1148 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:36,760 I think it's you know, it's interesting because there were records when I was 1149 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:41,920 growing up, there was radio. Then we called it audio drama. But 1150 01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:46,159 now they're called scripted podcasts and people, you know, it turns out it's 1151 01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:50,159 never it's never been out of style. People just have more access to it 1152 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:55,600 now. So it's great because we have more opportunity to work in the medium 1153 01:28:56,079 --> 01:29:00,479 we didn't have before. It used to take so much to a show, 1154 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:05,039 right, I mean when I started, I was editing tape with a razor 1155 01:29:05,079 --> 01:29:11,119 blade. It's not like that anymore. Yeah, it's quite a bit different, 1156 01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:15,880 right, Yeah. And I love the sort of resurgence of it because 1157 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,560 of the ease of access these days. So it's amazing. Yeah. I 1158 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:25,680 think if people, you know, if it weren't popular, it wouldn't be 1159 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,239 growing. I mean, I think it's just something that will always exist in 1160 01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:32,960 you know, when I teach too, this is what I heard. Your 1161 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:39,920 hearing is the last sense to go when you're dying. Our hearing is just 1162 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:47,279 just so key to our you know, existence, and our hearing plays a 1163 01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:54,600 huge part in communication. Like when I'm teaching voiceover, I'll say, you 1164 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,640 know, if you don't feel it here in your chest, we don't hear 1165 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,159 it in our ears. And our ears are light detectors, So I think 1166 01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,359 you have to be I mean, you can listen to a story and be 1167 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:14,760 entertained, but you know, a really good voice actor has nothing to no 1168 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,800 other tools but their voice. I mean, of course we use our bodies 1169 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:24,880 too, but you know, how we express ourselves can convey truth if we're 1170 01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:27,880 really honest, and if we don't our ears, no, we can still 1171 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,479 be entertained, but we can go. You know. Okay, that was 1172 01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:35,199 good, But to be really moved by somebody's vocal performance is so deep, 1173 01:30:35,399 --> 01:30:41,319 I think, and I don't know the word for it, palpable, I 1174 01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:45,880 guess, Yeah, that's amazing. I love that perspective, and so I 1175 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,119 appreciate you taking the time. Now, you know, we did the business 1176 01:30:49,159 --> 01:30:51,159 up front. Now it's time for the party in the back. So I've 1177 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:56,399 got three quick questions here for you. I'm calling you like a mohawk right, 1178 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,079 A mullet, Yeah, a mullet, not a mohawk. Y's right. 1179 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,000 So I'm calling you this or that. I'm just gonna throw a couple 1180 01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:09,239 things at you and you tell me which one you prefer, if you want 1181 01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:13,520 to expound on it. That is that, I prefer that. I'm with 1182 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,920 you on that. Okay, Okay? How about this mountains or beach? 1183 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,600 Oh? I love them both. I love being outside. I'll say beach. 1184 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,279 I live at the beach. Okay. How about rubber chicken or rubber 1185 01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:38,359 ducky rubber ducky okay? And lastly, Mexican food or Italian food? Mexican? 1186 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:43,399 All right, I gonna have to think hard about that. Hey, 1187 01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,600 there's no wrong answers. Speaking of rubber duckies. You know I'm going to 1188 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,399 London, right, uh huh. They've made some the I don't know if 1189 01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:54,800 you've seen them, these rubber ducks that look like certain cartoon characters. And 1190 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:59,159 there's a Shila the Thief rubber duck and yeah, I'm going to see them 1191 01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,680 when I get to England, and in person, I'm gonna hopefully someone will 1192 01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,840 buy one autographed at my booth. Yeah, there you go. That's awesome. 1193 01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:12,000 Yeah, a little Sheila Robbert Duck. How cool is that? That's 1194 01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:15,520 that's great. Yeah, I've seen like the ones that look like Sherlock Holmes 1195 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,439 or different things like that. Yeah, yeah, that they think they're there. 1196 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:24,359 It's kind of like the Funko Pop Competition or something. Yeah, there 1197 01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:27,279 you go. I don't know. I mean, Robert Chickens are pretty cool 1198 01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:31,399 too, though. I must say, oh, thank you Katie for taking 1199 01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:33,760 time to chat with us for a few minutes. I really appreciate it. 1200 01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:38,359 I love you. Oh, thank you so much. I love you too. 1201 01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:44,640 Bye. Pat Roy is a writer, director, and producer, probably 1202 01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,640 most known as the co creator of Jonathan Park as well as the co creator 1203 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:54,800 of Time Chroniclers and producer of Journey to Nova Upta. Well, Pat, 1204 01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:59,399 thank you so much for joining us on this this special episode. It's spent 1205 01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:00,800 a long time, I mean, and I know you've been sort of following 1206 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,600 us from the beginning, and so it's great to have you with us. 1207 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,439 And we're going to start off with a question, a serious question that I've 1208 01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:11,279 been asking everybody today, and that is, you know, this medium of 1209 01:33:11,279 --> 01:33:15,239 audio drama is an interesting one for storytelling, and what is it about it 1210 01:33:15,239 --> 01:33:19,800 that you really like working in and or how has working in this medium of 1211 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:24,880 audio drama impacted your life? Well, JDY, before I even answer that, 1212 01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:29,399 congratulations, two hundred episodes. That's incredible. Hut, oh, thank 1213 01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:30,880 you, thank you, well, I remember when you first started. Just 1214 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:35,359 incredible, So, JD. The reason I love it is because storytelling is 1215 01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:40,560 powerful, and you know, when you tell a story and you attach truth 1216 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,199 to it, I think it goes deep into somebody's heart and I love that 1217 01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:45,760 and JD, as you know, one of the things that's cool as a 1218 01:33:46,119 --> 01:33:49,960 Christian when you're sharing a Christian message. If I share a truth, maybe 1219 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,760 a hard truth, with a friend face to face, you know, they 1220 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,479 may become offended by it and maybe even put up a wall between us as 1221 01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,399 we're trying to communicate. But if I tell a story that's got the same 1222 01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,840 message, that goes just as deep and somebody listens to that, you know, 1223 01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,479 they don't put up the wall. In other words, it goes straight 1224 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:15,279 to their heart. So JD, I think that telling stories audio drama is 1225 01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:17,000 so powerful in so many ways. You know. The other thing I love 1226 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,199 about audio drama is you know I also do video now as well, and 1227 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:26,439 it's been shown scientifically that people kind of go into more of a sleep state 1228 01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:30,680 while they're watching video, right, But when you're doing audio drama, the 1229 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:35,039 listener is actually creating all of the characters and backgrounds in their own mind, 1230 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,680 and that means that they are more engaged than they usually are. And so 1231 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:45,119 what a powerful medium for sharing the truth. Yeah, that's absolutely true. 1232 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:46,840 Yeah, yeah, you know, I know, as with all of our 1233 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,760 guests today, there's so many things that we could talk about, but we 1234 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,079 just don't have the time if we're going to have all of these amazing people 1235 01:34:54,319 --> 01:34:57,720 involved, so we're going to have to move on into the fun section. 1236 01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,399 But thank you so much for sharing your heart about that. I appreciate that. 1237 01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,000 Yeah. Absolutely, let's do this thing. All right, here's the 1238 01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:05,600 Lightning Round. I'm calling it this or that. I'm gonna throw a couple 1239 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,119 things at you and you just tell me which one you prefer, and if 1240 01:35:09,119 --> 01:35:11,840 you want to elaborate it a little bit, feel free, but don't no 1241 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,239 obligation to Okay, Okay, you may just totally stop me. I may 1242 01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:19,239 just sit here dumbfounded, all right. First up, mountains or beach? 1243 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:27,199 Oh yeah, both, that's exactly Yes, excellent yep, no, I 1244 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:30,640 love the mountains, I love the beach. It's awesome. How about rubber 1245 01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:34,199 chicken or rubber ducky, well, I don't know. There's a couple of 1246 01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:39,880 restaurants here that actually serve a rubber chicken, and you know it lasts for 1247 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:43,920 a long time. One bite will last you about ten minutes. Okay. 1248 01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,920 Well, speaking of food, the final one here is Mexican food or Italian 1249 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:51,159 food. Oh, Mexican food all the way. Okay, definitely a particular 1250 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:56,079 dish. Oh, I don't know. I get feta vehitas just about every 1251 01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:59,079 time. But as you know, JD. With Mexican food, it's always 1252 01:35:59,079 --> 01:36:02,079 the same. Food comes in different formats right right here, it's small tortilla, 1253 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:06,039 large tortilla, no tortilla, but it's the same thing and it's always 1254 01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:10,359 awesome. That's right. That's right. Well, thank you again, Pat, 1255 01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:13,960 really appreciate you taking the time and it's always a joy to talk with 1256 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,960 you. Absolutely and Jad again, congratulations buddy. You guys have been doing 1257 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,680 an awesome job. You have been so kind to so many people. You've 1258 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:25,399 influenced so many people. It's amazing. I remember clear back when you started 1259 01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:29,520 and to see you now it's amazing. Matter of fact, even this episode 1260 01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,880 is a celebration of all the people that you've been involved with. So good 1261 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,279 job, Thank you, sir, Thank you very much. Paul McCusker is 1262 01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:43,359 another great contributor to this space as a writer, director, producer for many 1263 01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,640 years on Adventures and Odyssey of course, as well as focus on the Family 1264 01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:51,399 Radio Theater. He worked on productions for that series such as The Screwtape Letters 1265 01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:56,680 and the Chronicles of Narnia, just to name a few, and in recent 1266 01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,640 years launched the Augustine Institute Radio Theater, which has put out some amazing shows 1267 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:04,159 such as the Legends of Robin Hood and The Victory of Joan of Arc. 1268 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:10,439 Well, this episode would not be complete if we're talking about industry guests, 1269 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,920 longtime professionals in this space without having Paul McCusker, So thank you for taking 1270 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,079 the time. Paul, really appreciate it. We're going to start with this 1271 01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:21,359 question that I've been asking everybody today, what is it about this medium of 1272 01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:26,520 audio drama that you really enjoy working in. You've done a lot of other 1273 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,039 You've done writing for a lot of other mediums, but you continue to work 1274 01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:32,159 in audio drama year after year. So what is it about this medium that 1275 01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:36,399 keeps you coming back? And or how has working in this medium impacted your 1276 01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:42,760 life? Well, I think the second part of the question is obvious. 1277 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,680 It's impacted my life because I've been involved in it for so many years, 1278 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:53,720 and the opportunity when it started to work on family portraits than Odyssey, USA 1279 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:59,239 Adventures and Odyssey, I mean changed my life completely because it became the center 1280 01:37:59,279 --> 01:38:02,079 point of all of the writing that I was doing. Honestly, I'm a 1281 01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:05,760 bit of an opportunist, and I think if I had been approached by somebody 1282 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,000 who was willing to pay me a full time salary to do something else, 1283 01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:15,439 I would have gravitated that way. But this was the opportunity to came up. 1284 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:19,640 And you know, as a kid, and it's almost cliche to say 1285 01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:24,960 it, as a kid, I always messed around with audio. I was 1286 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,000 always playing around with a real to real recorder that had been lent to me 1287 01:38:30,079 --> 01:38:35,640 by a relative and was creating short things things messing with sound more or less. 1288 01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:41,520 And I'm a huge music fan, and I've always been fascinated by how 1289 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:46,840 music uses sound through instrumentation and melody and everything else. In order to create 1290 01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:53,479 feelings and images and things. So honestly, I mean, for me, 1291 01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,840 it's obviously changed my life because it has been the thing I've been doing for 1292 01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:02,279 so many years. And I think you've probably heard from everyone else. I 1293 01:39:02,279 --> 01:39:06,600 mean, the most obvious thing about it is the way in which it engages 1294 01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:14,319 the imagination in a way that other formats don't or can't. And I actually 1295 01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:18,880 look this up. There is a technical explanation for this that I can give 1296 01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:25,439 to you. It basically says, this is official. It engages the imagination 1297 01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:30,560 by bypassing the octavial cortex of the brain and going straight beyond the parliamentary lobe 1298 01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:35,800 and directly into the hypocrania thanos where audiovations are stored. True story, It's 1299 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,960 a true explanation. You can look it up. So really that's what draws 1300 01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:45,640 me to audio drama. That explanation right there, Well, that says it 1301 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,760 all right there. Yeah, I'm good. Well, thank you for sharing 1302 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,760 that. And you know I know that you know you've worked on so many 1303 01:39:54,840 --> 01:40:00,520 different shows and this industry would be completely different without having you, so you 1304 01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,880 involved in with the radio theater and air theater and just the stellar work that 1305 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,960 has come out of it. So I just want to say thank you. 1306 01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,439 Well, you're very kind, thank you. I mean, the privilege is 1307 01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:17,359 all mine, the honor is mine. It is humbling, honestly to be 1308 01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:24,039 part of something that, especially such a fringe thing, because when we started 1309 01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:26,880 it, and Phil and I have talked about this a lot. I mean, 1310 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,479 for Phil, he told me just flat out, he said, I 1311 01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,159 don't know why you write books. Everybody's writing books. You want to do 1312 01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:35,600 things that nobody else is doing. And he was absolutely right, because at 1313 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:41,000 the time we started doing Odyssey, no one else was doing it. And 1314 01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,000 to continue to be able to do that has been a privilege. And I've 1315 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:51,319 been thinking over the last few days honestly about intended outcomes and unintended outcomes. 1316 01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:58,039 And it sounds pretentious, but honestly, when you embark on something, whatever 1317 01:40:58,079 --> 01:41:01,079 it is you're doing, there are intent outcomes, the things that you hope 1318 01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:06,000 will happen. With an adventures in Odyssey, there were intended outcomes that we'd 1319 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,239 hope would happen, That kids would be entertained and educated to a great degree, 1320 01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:15,239 inspired in their spiritual lives, all of those things. And I think 1321 01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:18,319 we can look at Odyssey and a lot of what we've done over the years 1322 01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:23,840 and say, well, okay, those intended outcomes have happened, but then 1323 01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:30,119 they're the unintended outcomes. And on the positive side of the unintended outcomes is 1324 01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:34,119 the thing that I don't remember us ever talking about. There was no presumption 1325 01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:41,720 on our part that we were working on something that might actually influence another generation 1326 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:47,960 or even two generations of listeners who would not only be inspired in their daily 1327 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:53,840 lives and relationships, but then would go on to create their own that they 1328 01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,880 would go, oh, because you did that, we want to do that, 1329 01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,880 but we're going to do it with movies and TV. And I mean 1330 01:42:00,079 --> 01:42:04,199 Dallas Jenkins has said that that Adventures in Odyssey was a big influence on him 1331 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:11,760 and triggered his desire to some degree to want to tell stories through film. 1332 01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:16,319 So that's what you could call an unintended outcome. We didn't think in those 1333 01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:20,079 terms. All we were thinking about was the job at hand and to do 1334 01:42:20,119 --> 01:42:25,920 it and hopefully do it properly. So I'm grateful, I really am. 1335 01:42:26,279 --> 01:42:31,920 I think we've been very fortunate and blessed to be able to work on something 1336 01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:36,840 like this and see to a great degree the impact that it's had in all 1337 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:42,079 humility truly, Oh, absolutely huge impact. And as you said, not 1338 01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,279 just in other mediums, but I mean, I would say the majority of 1339 01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:51,199 the current new batch that's a bad word, but of creators in this space 1340 01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:56,640 now, and I'll point back to EIO as an influence. So yeah, 1341 01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:00,079 it's been huge. Well, thank you. Well, I mean, you 1342 01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:02,159 know, we could talk about this all day, but it's time to move 1343 01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:04,880 on to the lightning round. Have a little bit of fun here. I'm 1344 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,479 gonna call it this or that. I'm gonna throw a couple things at you. 1345 01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,279 You'd let me know which one is your preference. Are we ready? 1346 01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:17,199 Ready mountains or beach mountains? How about rubber chicken or rubber ducky, rubber 1347 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:25,840 ducky, But that's Phil's fault. Okay, about Mexican food or Italian food? 1348 01:43:27,239 --> 01:43:31,680 Italian Okay, any particular dish I'd have to think about that. Say, 1349 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,119 I'm allergic to garlic, so I have to be very careful about what 1350 01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:39,680 I have, but a lot of Italian. I can't think of a particular 1351 01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,000 dish. Honestly. Well, it's all good, right, you know. 1352 01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:45,159 Yeah, yes, well, Paul, thank you so much for taking the 1353 01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:47,199 time, and we're gonna have to have you come back on at some point 1354 01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:51,680 and give us the backstory to the Chicken and Phil story. So yes, 1355 01:43:53,159 --> 01:43:59,079 I'll do that sometimes. But I think a stude fans will equate just the 1356 01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:04,039 idea of a chicken, and I would say a talking chicken with with Phil 1357 01:44:04,119 --> 01:44:08,960 and one of the Odyssey shows, Oh for sure. Yeah. And so 1358 01:44:09,159 --> 01:44:13,279 even when you say rubber chicken, I think of of that, So I'd 1359 01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:15,640 go with the rubber ducky Okay, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. 1360 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,760 You know what when I was I was younger, that episode I loved it. 1361 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,880 I listened to it over and over, but it always creeped me out, 1362 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:26,399 but I still enjoyed it. No, that was that was Phil's twilight 1363 01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,199 Zone episode. I mean, he he was always keen to do Twilight Zone 1364 01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:35,079 type episodes, and that was one where he did it. I mean when 1365 01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:40,359 you talk about when you talk, when I talked to fans of the show 1366 01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:44,880 about it, that one inevitably comes up. It's one of those. Yeah. 1367 01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:47,680 I listened to it a lot, but boy did it freak me out. 1368 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:53,039 It was just so creepy on so many levels. And so he did 1369 01:44:53,079 --> 01:44:56,479 a very good job doing that one because that's what he was trying to do. 1370 01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:01,359 Mission accomplished. Yeah, well done. Oh, thank you, Paul, 1371 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:06,359 all right, thank you, Judy. Jared Deepesqual is a composer who 1372 01:45:06,359 --> 01:45:12,399 has worked in this industry for many years and has written scores for shows such 1373 01:45:12,399 --> 01:45:16,039 as Focus on the Family Radio theater, working on productions like The Sacred Garden, 1374 01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:20,079 Le Miss Arab, The Hiding Place, to name a few, and 1375 01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:24,800 of course he has worked on Adventures in Odyssey or The Adventum Jonathan Park, 1376 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:30,119 Augustine Institute Radio Theater, and The Brinkman Adventures. Well, Jared, first 1377 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:32,319 of all, thank you so much for coming on the show again. Really 1378 01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:38,279 appreciate that. And I just wanted to get some perspectives from different professionals in 1379 01:45:38,319 --> 01:45:43,000 this industry. And the question I've been asking is what is it about the 1380 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:46,880 medium of audio drama that you really enjoy working in and or how has working 1381 01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:51,600 in this medium impacted your life? Yeah, you know, because I came 1382 01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:58,319 to audio drama first as a score guy that had worked primarily in television and 1383 01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:01,920 film. You know, the deadlines on film and television are so tight, 1384 01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:09,119 and even when you're working on something that's really good, the deadlines are so 1385 01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:15,159 tight that you don't really emotionally invest in something the way you do with audio 1386 01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:19,600 dramas, particularly of projects that are of length. And for me, when 1387 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:24,960 I work on a lengthy audio drama, it could mean I'm literally working on 1388 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:30,399 it for six months, which gives you a lot of time to really invest 1389 01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:35,359 in the characters and the story arc and internalize it. And because of that, 1390 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:43,560 I found certain audio dramas really impacting me in pretty serious ways. I 1391 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:48,680 certainly remember Little Women being probably the first one to really impact me. I 1392 01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:54,600 was in my late twenties, and at the time I was so career focused. 1393 01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:59,119 I really didn't consider whether I wanted a family or kids. It just 1394 01:46:59,239 --> 01:47:04,239 wasn't on my I was just a workaholic, and being in Little Women for 1395 01:47:04,319 --> 01:47:10,039 six months it really kind of birthed a desire in me to have a family. 1396 01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,720 And then, of course, you know, working on The Hiding Place 1397 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,560 that was very life changing. And then all the way into like twenty sixteen, 1398 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:24,239 when I got to do a Brother Francis was just that impacted me so 1399 01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:28,479 much. I felt like I would never be the same person after spending that 1400 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,920 kind of time with Francis, And so that's what I love about the medium. 1401 01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:34,399 Boy, it just it hits me so hard. It really gives me 1402 01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:41,079 time to consider the story's themes and the character's motivations in a way that most 1403 01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:46,000 other media projects don't simply because the deadlines don't allow me to m Well, 1404 01:47:46,039 --> 01:47:50,000 I'm going to break my rule here and ask a follow up question. So 1405 01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:58,600 I know that you put a bit of yourself into every score, but does 1406 01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,319 a vice versa happen? Does the as it happened as well? Do you 1407 01:48:00,399 --> 01:48:05,039 think a little bit of each score lives in you as after you've moved on 1408 01:48:05,079 --> 01:48:15,640 from those projects. That's pretty deep, JB. I mean, I don't 1409 01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:20,920 know. I mean, certainly, to a certain degree, the themes that 1410 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:27,680 I've written for those particular types of shows, whether it's Little Women or The 1411 01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:31,640 Hiding Place or Francis or Patrick or Joan of Arc or Freedom, those themes 1412 01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:36,439 are like almost at my beck and call the way they'll They're a part of 1413 01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:41,680 my language in the same way that the English language is a part of my 1414 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,960 language. Does that make sense? Those It's like those themes are kind of 1415 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:49,560 forever tied to me as part of who I am, and that's that's kind 1416 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,720 of weird, you know, but it's kind of cool. No, I 1417 01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:57,239 don't think it's weird at all. As I creative myself, I completely understand 1418 01:48:57,239 --> 01:49:00,479 what you're saying. I mean, that makes perfect sense to me. I 1419 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,680 mean, if you're a writer and you write a character's whether it's like a 1420 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:09,920 monologue or a soliloquy, and you put everything you are into that character's lines, 1421 01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,399 I would have to believe as a writer you remember some of those sentence 1422 01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,399 structures because they're so connected to who you are as a writer and a person. 1423 01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,199 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Oh you know I could talk about this 1424 01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:27,680 stuff with you all day long. Well, so we're going to move on 1425 01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,399 to the party at the back. As I was. I told it, 1426 01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:31,880 Katie Lee, we have the business at the front, and we're going to 1427 01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:34,960 move on to the party at the back. With the lightning round. I'm 1428 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,159 calling it this or that. I'm gonna throw a couple of things at you. 1429 01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,479 You just let me know what your preference is between the two, and 1430 01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,439 if you want to expound on it a little bit, feel free, Okay, 1431 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,359 this or that? I like it all right? Mountains or beach beach 1432 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:53,840 okay, rubber chicken or rubber ducky rubber ducky rubber Chicken's kind of weird to 1433 01:49:53,880 --> 01:50:00,319 me, okay. And lastly, Mexican food or Italian food. Ah, 1434 01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:05,960 So I'm half Italian, but I'm gonna choose Mexican simply because my wife likes 1435 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,439 Mexican and we go there all the time. So I'm kind of going against 1436 01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:14,800 my heritage on that answer. Hey, there's no wrong answers around here unless 1437 01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,840 your wife has something to say about it. So well, she's a passionate 1438 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:21,079 Mexican food person, so i think I've adopted that. Great. Great, 1439 01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:26,000 Well, thank you so much for taking a few minutes to join us for 1440 01:50:26,039 --> 01:50:29,359 this special episode, and it's always a pleasure to talk to you. Oh 1441 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:33,000 YouTube, JD Man, thanks for having me. John Tharnoff is a writer, 1442 01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:38,800 director, producer, and actor who has worked on so many different shows 1443 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,760 in this industry. There's too many to name here, but he's got his 1444 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:46,960 fingerprints on a lot of different projects in this space, including Adventures in Odyssey, 1445 01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:51,960 Lamplighter Theater, The Advenum, The Extraordinary Adventures of Gia Hinty and Jonathan 1446 01:50:53,039 --> 01:50:58,159 park Well. John. As I was thinking about putting together this special episode, 1447 01:50:58,279 --> 01:51:01,479 I knew I had to have John Fornoff involved in this lineup of industry 1448 01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:06,479 guests because you've been involved in all different aspects of audio drama. So I'm 1449 01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:11,520 anxious to hear your opinion on this question. But the question that I've been 1450 01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:15,880 asking everybody today is what is it that you love about this medium of audio 1451 01:51:16,039 --> 01:51:19,600 drama? What keeps you coming back to it all year after year, and 1452 01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:25,279 or how has working in the medium of audio drama impacted your life? What 1453 01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:29,520 an amazing question. Thank you love it. I love it. I love 1454 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:34,359 audio drama because it awakens your imagination. I like watching, you know, 1455 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:40,079 TV shows, watching movies, that kind of thing, But I love audio 1456 01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:44,000 drama because that stuff is spoon fed to you. When you're watching a TV 1457 01:51:44,079 --> 01:51:48,680 show or a movie. With audio dramas, you're creating as you're listening, 1458 01:51:49,279 --> 01:51:55,640 so you're actually co creating. Wakes up the creator in you, and it 1459 01:51:55,720 --> 01:52:00,600 is just a fun, interactive medium like like no other one another one out 1460 01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:04,239 there, because you're creating as you're listening, So you are, in a 1461 01:52:04,279 --> 01:52:09,520 way you're directing. You're directing where the actors are, You're directing what their 1462 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,520 costumes look like, production design, what's the room look like? You're picturing 1463 01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,079 all that you're creating. So as you are in the audio drama, you're 1464 01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:20,359 participating in it. It becomes part of you. It's a very personal, 1465 01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:27,359 beautiful, imaginary experience, and it's very vivid, so it wakes up your 1466 01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:31,800 imagination and also just wakes up that creativity in you, and you are participating 1467 01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:38,119 in it like no other medium. Yeah, that's absolutely true. And you 1468 01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,800 know, there's so much more that we could talk about here, and I 1469 01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:45,359 that's the limitation of this particular format of this episode. But you know, 1470 01:52:45,399 --> 01:52:46,760 we're gonna have to have you come back on at some point and talk about 1471 01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,319 this a little more in depth, because again, the last time you were 1472 01:52:50,319 --> 01:52:56,039 on here, you hadn't really been moving into the acting side of things too 1473 01:52:56,079 --> 01:52:58,720 much other than you know, a bit part here and there. So we 1474 01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,520 definitely want to talk about that and some of the other projects you've been working 1475 01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:04,319 on in recent years. But if you're ready, let's move on to the 1476 01:53:04,399 --> 01:53:08,119 lightning round here. Okay, real quick, I got a very quick one 1477 01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:10,479 which might be a nice, nice little caveat for you, Just a very 1478 01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,600 quick one. I was working with Adventures in Odyssey on the writing team. 1479 01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,680 Just that was a dream job. Loved it. I mean, the best 1480 01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:21,039 of the best audio drama writers and directors right around me. And I pitched 1481 01:53:21,039 --> 01:53:26,479 a question one time and I said, okay, you walk into What's end, 1482 01:53:27,279 --> 01:53:30,680 what do you see? And somebody says, well, you walk in 1483 01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:32,479 in the Soda Countain, you know the counters on the right. And then 1484 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,279 you got no, but no, no, no, no. Somebody says 1485 01:53:34,319 --> 01:53:36,439 no, no, no, it's on the left, and like somebody said, 1486 01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,279 no, no, no, it's in the back, and you gotta 1487 01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:43,640 go no, that's where. So these are the writers for Adventures in Odyssey, 1488 01:53:44,079 --> 01:53:47,479 and we have our own picture of what it looks like. We have 1489 01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:53,600 different versions. That's the beauty of audio drama is you're you're making up your 1490 01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:57,199 own story, your own environment as you're doing it. And that goes right 1491 01:53:57,239 --> 01:54:00,520 back to the Adventures of Odyssey writers. We were just you know what it 1492 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,520 looked like, because because part of you is like, don't mess with that. 1493 01:54:03,279 --> 01:54:06,039 That's that's what it looks like right there, you know. So I 1494 01:54:06,039 --> 01:54:10,119 thought that that's kind of a fun question to ask. Yeah, absolutely, 1495 01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:14,079 yeah, absolutely, all right, well let's move on to the fun stuff 1496 01:54:14,119 --> 01:54:15,920 here. And that's the lightning ground. I'm calling it this or that I'm 1497 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,920 gonna throw a couple of things at you and you just let me know which 1498 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:24,560 one you prefer. Cool, awesome, all right? First up is h 1499 01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:29,279 mountains or beach? Ouh beach? How about rubber chicken or rubber ducky? 1500 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:39,600 Oh oh oh oh oh oh. That's so hard. Rubber ducky. That 1501 01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:44,479 was a painful one. That was really painful. You know, I asked 1502 01:54:44,479 --> 01:54:47,680 the hard hitting questions around here, man, talk about journalism. This is 1503 01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,039 this is this, this is gone places I've never gone with the journalists before, 1504 01:54:51,039 --> 01:54:56,640 so this is amazing. Lastly, how about Mexican food or Italian food? 1505 01:54:57,079 --> 01:55:00,479 Italian? All right? All right, yeah, yeah, any particular 1506 01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:04,479 dish, yeah, you know, just just anything Italian. I love Italian. 1507 01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:08,960 There's something romantic. I mean, Mexicans I'm sure romantic too, but 1508 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:14,079 it just has a different vibe with you know, but Italians they there's something 1509 01:55:14,119 --> 01:55:16,359 about they talk with their hands. I talk with my hands. I eat 1510 01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:20,279 with my fork usually not my hands. But anyway, I love the food. 1511 01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:24,840 I love the atmosphere. It's romantic. It's like it's it's a motive. 1512 01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,760 It's just like just yeah, I just enjoy it. So romantic in 1513 01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:33,119 me fantastic. Well, thank you sir for participating in this milestone episode. 1514 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:36,319 Really really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. It's a joy. 1515 01:55:36,359 --> 01:55:39,880 It's a joy being here. JD. Thank you. It's a blessing, 1516 01:55:40,079 --> 01:55:44,039 all right, thank you. Well, huge, huge, thank you to 1517 01:55:44,119 --> 01:55:47,279 every single one of these industry guests for coming on the show. I've gotten 1518 01:55:47,319 --> 01:55:51,000 to know all of these people over the years, and I've been able to 1519 01:55:51,039 --> 01:55:57,359 meet many of them in person, and they have become friends of mine over 1520 01:55:57,399 --> 01:56:00,760 the years, and I'm so grateful for them, and I am so honored 1521 01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:04,399 that each and every one of them was willing to spend a little bit of 1522 01:56:04,439 --> 01:56:09,640 time with me on this particular episode. Thank you, every single one of 1523 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:14,920 you. Well, it is time to bring onto the show the current lineup 1524 01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:21,880 of ATC contributors and let's have a fun chat with the ATC team. I've 1525 01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:26,079 been looking forward to this segment for a long time. I reached out to 1526 01:56:26,119 --> 01:56:30,840 the guys oh Man weeks and weeks ago and said, Hey, ATC two 1527 01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:33,720 hundred is coming up. What do you think about trying to bring in all 1528 01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:40,119 of the current co host cast and have a little round table discussion. They 1529 01:56:40,119 --> 01:56:44,000 were down for it, and then it reached out to the blog contributors and 1530 01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:48,640 tried to get them involved as well, and when everybody confirmed, I was 1531 01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:55,079 just so happy because we've never done anything like this before and so I'm really 1532 01:56:55,159 --> 01:57:01,039 excited to bring the creative people behind ATC two on the show today. All 1533 01:57:01,079 --> 01:57:05,159 of the contributors. Austin Peachey is here. Austin, thank you for coming. 1534 01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:10,640 Thank you, good to be here. Michael Schrader, frequent co host 1535 01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:15,920 in recent years. Hello, Yes, I'm honored to be among one of 1536 01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:19,560 the members of this August group of people on this recording as well. You 1537 01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:27,000 should. And Christopher Green, who has been a co host a couple of 1538 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,039 times and a blog contributor as well. Oh, glad to be here. 1539 01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:34,119 And lastly, but not leastly, Robert Thacker, thank you so much for 1540 01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:38,520 coming on. You've never been on the podcast before, but you've been a 1541 01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:42,239 blog contributor for many, many years, so thank you for coming. Yeah, 1542 01:57:42,279 --> 01:57:45,840 Hello, Hello, thank you for having me. Unfortunately, Joe Pearson, 1543 01:57:45,039 --> 01:57:48,119 our other blog contributor, was not able to make it today, but 1544 01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,640 you know, we're gonna have to try to do this something like this again 1545 01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:57,840 and get him as well. But this is way overdue, and so thank 1546 01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:00,079 you gentlemen for coming on the show. I thought it would be fun to 1547 01:58:00,319 --> 01:58:04,840 just as we were marking this milestone here of two hundred episodes, I thought 1548 01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,680 it would be kind of fun to just reach out to you guys and find 1549 01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:12,680 out, well, not find out because I already know, but we're going 1550 01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:17,159 to share with the listener how you first got connected with ATC and and you 1551 01:58:17,159 --> 01:58:21,640 know, how you started getting involved with this show and the blog and things 1552 01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:26,560 like that. So, Austin, I think I think you were the first 1553 01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,760 one, although it might have been It might have been Robert now that I'm 1554 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,520 thinking about it, but one of you guys was the first. But Austin, 1555 01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:34,079 you've been on the podcast more often, So let's start with you. 1556 01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:39,159 Tell us how you first found Audio Theater Central. Now, this one, 1557 01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:42,439 I'm not sure because I don't know if I remember this story, so this 1558 01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:45,920 might be news to me too, So I guess I can make up anything 1559 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,760 I want and you wouldn't know the difference. No, just kidding. So 1560 01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:55,720 I think I first heard about ATC on the Odyssey Scoop website, which is, 1561 01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:59,279 in my opinion, the best Odyssey fansite out there. Jacob isam is 1562 01:58:59,279 --> 01:59:03,960 a very connected person and he was so great at sharing new podcasts, websites 1563 01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:09,439 and things like that to his audience. So I think I read on there 1564 01:59:09,479 --> 01:59:13,359 one of his blog posts about audio there Central, and it's not interesting to 1565 01:59:13,399 --> 01:59:15,840 me, like you know, it's a podcast that's not just Odyssey but other 1566 01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,920 shows as well, and so I checked it out. I think I listened 1567 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:24,680 to episode like zero zero. I think was labeled like the intro thing. 1568 01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:28,399 I'm not sure if episode one had dropped yet or not, but yeah, 1569 01:59:28,439 --> 01:59:32,199 I listened to it and I enjoyed it. I grew to love it much 1570 01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:38,600 more later, but it was interesting. It was an acquired taste, I 1571 01:59:38,399 --> 01:59:41,279 did. I came out wrong. Yeah, I came out wrong. Sorry 1572 01:59:41,319 --> 01:59:44,680 about that. I shouldn't have laughed. I'm sorry. I know you're good. 1573 01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,319 You're good because like you know, first episodes of my podcast, and 1574 01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:51,399 I'm sure JD would say to you know, the first episode is always going 1575 01:59:51,439 --> 01:59:55,600 to be not the not the greatest, but as you go. I loved 1576 01:59:55,600 --> 02:00:00,079 your first episode, JD. I don't know what I ever been invited back 1577 02:00:00,119 --> 02:00:08,159 again, am I, but no, yeah, I enjoyed hearing not just 1578 02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:11,399 Audissey related stuff because that's a lot of the podcast. I listened to his 1579 02:00:11,439 --> 02:00:15,279 Audissey related stuff and hear about Lamplightder Theater. I think I heard about Lampeyder 1580 02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:17,159 Theater first on Odyssey Scoop two and I got to hear the interview. I 1581 02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:20,439 think the first episode was an interview with Mark Hanby, I think, and 1582 02:00:20,479 --> 02:00:26,119 then her view of season one I think, something like that of Lamplighter Theater. 1583 02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:30,039 And you know, I follow the show. I think I listened to 1584 02:00:30,079 --> 02:00:33,319 every single episode after that pretty much. I might have listened to one if 1585 02:00:33,319 --> 02:00:36,359 there was an it was a production I had heard yet, and I wanted 1586 02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:40,840 to avoid any kind of spoilers or something like that. But yeah, I 1587 02:00:41,359 --> 02:00:45,359 have. For lack of a term, it wasn't quite love at first sight, 1588 02:00:45,479 --> 02:00:47,960 but ATC has now become my number one favorite podcast to listen to. 1589 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,760 It's not just because I'm able to be a part of it. That was 1590 02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:55,920 true before I started being on the podcast. It is the first one on 1591 02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:00,960 my podcast app, the very first one in the listened in podecast is Audiofia 1592 02:01:00,039 --> 02:01:03,880 Central, and I am so privileged to be a part of this team and 1593 02:01:04,039 --> 02:01:08,479 to be able to listen to a new episode every month. It's always a 1594 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,279 joy and a pleasure to be able to do that. Oh, thank you. 1595 02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:15,000 Yeah, it's been so much fun working with you over the years, 1596 02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:20,600 and I think you've probably written the most posts out of anybody here from the 1597 02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:25,600 contributors. I mean, I think obviously I write a post every month for 1598 02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:30,359 the episodes, but you know, actual articles and things like that, news 1599 02:01:30,439 --> 02:01:36,760 updates and stuff. So your contributions have not gone unnoticed and definitely definitely appreciated. 1600 02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:41,520 Well, you're most welcome, all right, Who should we go to 1601 02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,199 next? How about Robert? Because I do think he was probably one of 1602 02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:48,439 the first ones who wrote a post. I think your first post, Robert 1603 02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:55,079 was a review of a Lifehouse theater on the air production, wasn't it? 1604 02:01:55,199 --> 02:02:00,119 Or maybe it was a Lamplighter theater? Do you recall? I believe it 1605 02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:04,880 was either Sir Malcolm or was it Ricky Ticky Tabby? Those were like my 1606 02:02:05,039 --> 02:02:10,880 first two from Lifehouse. Yeah, yeah, but that was about ten years 1607 02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:14,600 ago. I think it was twenty fourteen, so it's been a bit so 1608 02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:18,119 sorry Crack Research team. His first blog post was the review of Sir Malcolm 1609 02:02:18,159 --> 02:02:23,000 in The Investing Prince, published on July first, twenty fifteen. Okay, 1610 02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:26,000 oh, okay, I'm a year off. Yeah, but you were. 1611 02:02:26,039 --> 02:02:30,159 You had reached out before then, I'm pretty sure. So let us know 1612 02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:32,279 how how did you first hear about ATC and how did we first connect? 1613 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:38,800 Yeah? So, yeah, probably about ten twelve years ago. My oldest 1614 02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:43,479 brother, who had been a podcast listener for a while, let me know 1615 02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:49,479 about ATC because we both loved the audio dramas and he was like, you 1616 02:02:49,479 --> 02:02:56,520 should check this out, And ultimately, through that, I ended up working 1617 02:02:56,920 --> 02:03:03,800 with pat Roy creator Jonathan Park and did some really cool things through that. 1618 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:10,560 So I have a lot to thank ATC for in just how it's actually had 1619 02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:16,199 a pretty significant impact in what I've done over the years, and then specifically 1620 02:03:16,479 --> 02:03:23,399 writing articles. I think I had started writing on my own website, just 1621 02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:28,880 some audio drama stuff, kind of kind of to try to introduce more people 1622 02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:32,359 to the genre who hadn't necessarily grown up with it. And I think that 1623 02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,920 was what I had kind of pitched to you JD of like, here's my 1624 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:40,880 writing, and I would love to contribute at some point, and the rest, 1625 02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:45,520 I guess is history. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, you've written 1626 02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:49,760 some pretty in depth posts and I always appreciate it, And now I don't 1627 02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:54,319 remember all the specifics, but you wrote a review of season one of The 1628 02:03:54,439 --> 02:03:59,119 Encounter, which was the show produced by Liberty University, and then you ended 1629 02:03:59,159 --> 02:04:01,000 up going to Liberty, right, and you met those guys after that, 1630 02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:05,199 and so they knew you from atc right. Yes, that was a wild 1631 02:04:05,279 --> 02:04:11,640 story. And I did not expect to be able to make that connection with 1632 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:17,680 those folks because I wrote that article on the Encounter and then probably a good 1633 02:04:18,079 --> 02:04:24,600 six months to a year past, and a friend of mine had actually been 1634 02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:29,680 a student at Liberty and worked with the guys who created The Encounter. But 1635 02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:32,600 I did not know about that connection. I just heard, you know, 1636 02:04:33,079 --> 02:04:39,960 there's some people there that my friend knew, and so he set up just 1637 02:04:40,399 --> 02:04:45,880 a lunch when I went down there with the creators of the Encounter, and 1638 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:49,119 so I got to talk with them. I had no idea that they read 1639 02:04:49,159 --> 02:04:54,399 my article and that they knew who I was. So that was just that 1640 02:04:54,439 --> 02:04:58,800 blew my mind when I sat down with them, and it was just very 1641 02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:01,880 cool to talk with them about it. That is really really neat. Yeah, 1642 02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:08,359 I remember later actually you may have let me know that that happened shortly 1643 02:05:08,439 --> 02:05:13,000 thereafter, but I when I connected with the Liberty people, they told me 1644 02:05:13,039 --> 02:05:14,840 about it too, so I was like, well, that's cool. I 1645 02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:17,720 didn't I mean, I knew that they had read the review because they took 1646 02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:23,439 us a snippet from it a blurb and used it on their website and they 1647 02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:27,960 cited you, said Robert Thacker. Yeah, so that's so cool. You 1648 02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:31,239 know, this industry can seem like it's pretty big, but once you get 1649 02:05:31,239 --> 02:05:35,600 into it there it is quite a bit smaller. And there's some just really 1650 02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:39,079 cool people in this space. I mean, I think all of us would 1651 02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:43,960 agree with that. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean I'm here, so 1652 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:48,880 I mean, of course that goes without saying so clearly. Well, and 1653 02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:54,880 I just want to brag about ATC for a second here, because it's been 1654 02:05:54,920 --> 02:06:00,159 such a central hub for people who love audio drama and who are working in 1655 02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:03,600 this space to actually be able to connect. Like if the site did not 1656 02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:08,680 exist, all these connections that we're talking about right now would not have been 1657 02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:15,000 made. And so I really do appreciate it and it's pretty special. Yeah 1658 02:06:15,039 --> 02:06:18,159 you're here, well, thank you, And it's due in part to the 1659 02:06:18,279 --> 02:06:21,720 contributions of all of you. And again, Robert, thank you for all 1660 02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:26,279 of the reviews, and we probably need to have you on the podcast a 1661 02:06:26,279 --> 02:06:30,000 little bit more often because I think that that would be fun. I'd love 1662 02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:33,279 it. Well, Michael, I know this story pretty well, but let's 1663 02:06:33,279 --> 02:06:36,079 listener know how because I probably forgot well. I mean, I know how 1664 02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:40,640 we first connected, but I guess I don't really know exactly how you first 1665 02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:45,239 heard about atc oh well. I can't quite remember, but I think it 1666 02:06:45,359 --> 02:06:49,760 was a Google search. I was probably looking for free audio drama and I 1667 02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:53,680 came across Audio Theater Central and I was like, ah, this is a 1668 02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,840 free audio drama. And then I was like, but it's people talking about 1669 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,720 audio drama. So if I can get a review and get most of the 1670 02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:02,840 storyline, I don't feel like I need to buy it. I'm sorry, 1671 02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,039 that wasn't a good joke to make here. Just cut cut that out Cut 1672 02:07:06,039 --> 02:07:10,640 that out, strike that from the record. But uh no, I and 1673 02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:14,000 so I just and it was like audio dramas that I was already familiar with. 1674 02:07:14,039 --> 02:07:16,199 I think I'd already been working with Lamplighter a little bit, and so 1675 02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:19,159 I was like, Wow, this is this is great. And then when 1676 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:25,239 I connected with you was at one of the Odyssey Live shows and I forget 1677 02:07:25,239 --> 02:07:27,720 which one it was. Do you remember it was the first get in the 1678 02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:31,439 show finale? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And you put out a 1679 02:07:31,439 --> 02:07:36,640 call on the on the podcast saying if anybody's going to the event, I 1680 02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:40,600 could use some help. I don't remember what you were wanting help with, 1681 02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:44,199 just like to carry equipment or something. Didn't take photos? Yeah, oh 1682 02:07:44,319 --> 02:07:46,199 take photos? Did I take photos? Get you coffee? Yeah? Yes, 1683 02:07:46,279 --> 02:07:50,800 the most important was from the list of coffee, you know. And 1684 02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:54,439 so see, I just showed up to the event with a cup of coffee, 1685 02:07:54,479 --> 02:07:56,720 and I knew exactly what he wanted, and he thought it was weird 1686 02:07:57,039 --> 02:08:00,760 and I'm just kidding. No, I just and I I reached out and 1687 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,760 said, hey, I live in Colorado and so I'm not that far from 1688 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,600 Focus on the Family and so I just met up with him there. I 1689 02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:09,359 think I met Austin on that trip too, So it was just like a 1690 02:08:09,399 --> 02:08:11,880 weekend of celebrities and so that was pretty cool. Well yeah, so, 1691 02:08:13,439 --> 02:08:16,159 I mean you've reached out and said, hey, I'm going to be there, 1692 02:08:16,279 --> 02:08:20,520 I'd be happy to help you. And so yeah, we met for 1693 02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:24,319 the very first time there at Focus on the Family, headquarters. And now 1694 02:08:24,359 --> 02:08:28,399 looking back on that, you know, I don't know this guy. I 1695 02:08:28,439 --> 02:08:31,119 mean, he says he listens to the podcast. Apparently he does because he 1696 02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:33,039 heard me put the call out. But I have no idea who this guy 1697 02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:35,960 is. But I was like, yeah, sure, come on in, 1698 02:08:37,159 --> 02:08:39,720 I'll let you help me know. But I know you were very gracious, 1699 02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:43,920 and it was crazy because we had some mutual connections, like I actually knew 1700 02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:48,960 your parents because I'd met them through some like church events, because they pastored 1701 02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,479 a church in southern Colorado, and so I'd already met them at some point. 1702 02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:54,560 But I had no idea of any of this at the time. In 1703 02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,119 fact, well I didn't either when I first when I first met you, 1704 02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:01,279 I didn't. We didn't find that out until after at the event then that 1705 02:09:01,399 --> 02:09:05,640 day, and so yeah, it was really cool. That was a great 1706 02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:09,279 event. You were a huge, huge help to me taking photos. I 1707 02:09:09,279 --> 02:09:11,640 carried your back so well, making sure that I hit record when we were 1708 02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:18,600 interviewing Bob Smiley the second time. That's right, Yeah, it's this button, 1709 02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:22,680 JD, not that one. Yeah. Yeah, And really it was 1710 02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:26,640 just like a backstage pass for me because JD had he had the press badge 1711 02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:30,159 and the connections, and so I was able to get in there and meet 1712 02:09:30,199 --> 02:09:33,119 actors and stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise. So that's that's what I've been 1713 02:09:33,239 --> 02:09:37,680 all through my experience with atc IS. I follow behind JD and then people 1714 02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:41,119 are like, oh, you're with JD. And I say, yes, 1715 02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:43,119 of course I am, and then they suddenly respect me, and it's amazing. 1716 02:09:45,439 --> 02:09:48,000 Yeah. I remember you telling me because I said, when you get 1717 02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:52,439 to the entrance, because I was already inside the main camp or the main 1718 02:09:52,479 --> 02:09:56,439 building of the campus, and I think something happened because you were you were 1719 02:09:56,439 --> 02:10:03,479 coming down from Northern Colorado to through the Springs and you were running a little 1720 02:10:03,479 --> 02:10:05,199 bit behind, and so I said, well, I'm already in. Just 1721 02:10:05,279 --> 02:10:09,680 tell the security guy at the door that you're with JD with Audio Theater Central 1722 02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:13,039 and they'll and they'll bring you in. And so you got, you get 1723 02:10:13,039 --> 02:10:16,479 there and you tell him and they're like, usher you right back in, 1724 02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:18,880 and you were just like blown away, like they just let me come right 1725 02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:22,159 in, like I didn't even have to go through the line or anything. 1726 02:10:22,199 --> 02:10:26,920 Yeah, an experience with JD is an experience and imposter syndrome. For me. 1727 02:10:26,279 --> 02:10:35,199 It's a it's a pretty pretty great his name opens Doors. And then 1728 02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,840 I don't know, I don't know if this was the second time, if 1729 02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,239 it was after the first Getting the Show or not, but I was coming 1730 02:10:39,279 --> 02:10:43,680 down to Arizona for a wedding and I was driving with my mom and I 1731 02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:46,000 said, I let you know, and you offered, well, I don't 1732 02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:48,399 know if I asked you or if you offered now, but anyways, we 1733 02:10:48,399 --> 02:10:50,800 stayed at your house. Yeah. Yeah, and you barely knew us at 1734 02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:56,039 all, and so that that was even more gracious. And I made fun 1735 02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:58,680 of h o Way's while I was there, and then you told me that 1736 02:10:58,079 --> 02:11:03,439 you worked for any so something to do with the Joys, and I was 1737 02:11:03,439 --> 02:11:09,039 like, oh, man, probably never talked to this guy again. Yeah, 1738 02:11:09,039 --> 02:11:11,720 that was a great trip, and I really enjoyed having you and your 1739 02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:16,000 mom and Michael. You've actually become a really good friend over the years, 1740 02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:18,840 and I appreciate you and your involvement in the in the show. And of 1741 02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:24,399 course now you're involved with Greenhorn Tales as well. I don't remember how that 1742 02:11:24,439 --> 02:11:26,920 came about, but I remember that at that Get in the Show event, 1743 02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:31,560 you told me about your novel, which I then read. Actually you gave 1744 02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:35,000 me a copy and I really enjoyed that, and so I'm like, well, 1745 02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:39,520 this guy's a writer. And when Greenhorn Tales came about, I don't 1746 02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:43,239 remember how it first happened, but I guess I must have asked you, 1747 02:11:43,279 --> 02:11:46,159 Hey, what do you think about writing for the show, and so yeah, 1748 02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:50,800 now I think you wrote three or four episodes from season one and more 1749 02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:56,000 to come in season two. But yeah, it's it's been a great relationship 1750 02:11:56,039 --> 02:11:58,520 and having you on the ATC team has been a lot of fun. And 1751 02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:05,039 obviously the people have heard you on our episodes from Soniccon and subsequent reviews and 1752 02:12:05,079 --> 02:12:09,760 so become a great part of the show. So thank you. Yeah, 1753 02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:13,680 I really appreciate you welcoming me in like you did, and and all of 1754 02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:18,039 the stuff I've done has just come through your gracious acceptance of me overlooking of 1755 02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:22,439 my of my many faux pause. So I appreciate that. Oh, it's 1756 02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:26,840 it's it's easy to do. You're such a likable guy. Thank you. 1757 02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:33,680 And Christopher, you're not allowed to talk at this point. Well he speaking 1758 02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:37,079 of Christopher. That's a perfect segue. Christopher. Yeah, let's let the 1759 02:12:37,079 --> 02:12:39,720 people know how we first or how you first found out about ATC. We 1760 02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:46,319 just talked about this just recently, but Michael said I can't talk so well. 1761 02:12:46,359 --> 02:12:54,000 Thank you everybody for joining us for this episode. Just kidding, all 1762 02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:56,680 right. I relinquished the right to make you not tell me that was really 1763 02:12:56,680 --> 02:13:03,840 hard. Actually, it's funny because I think I'm the only one here that 1764 02:13:03,319 --> 02:13:09,720 didn't get an introduction to JD through ATC actually, but was introduced to ATC 1765 02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:18,319 through JD. So I first interacted with JD because of a mutual connection to 1766 02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:24,159 Christopher one sixty four, who is a blogger at the time. He's a 1767 02:13:24,199 --> 02:13:31,159 YouTuber now and he was a big fan of Audio Theater Central as well as 1768 02:13:31,279 --> 02:13:35,640 the Ceiling Fan podcast which I by Kevin McCreery, which I was working on 1769 02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:43,439 with Kevin at the time, and I've been chatting up with Christopher and he, 1770 02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:48,239 I guess did the discuss comment system that is used on a lot of 1771 02:13:48,279 --> 02:13:52,800 websites, including JD's personal website jdsutter dot Me, little name drop for JD. 1772 02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,880 There great some great content there you should check out as well if you 1773 02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:01,000 have not. But he was using that discuss comment some on there, as 1774 02:14:01,079 --> 02:14:05,279 was Christopher on his own blog at the time. And it kind of gives 1775 02:14:05,279 --> 02:14:09,399 you, like recommendations on other blogs that people you comment follow, kind of 1776 02:14:09,399 --> 02:14:13,560 like a social system kind of also comment on. And so I checked out 1777 02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:18,520 this post that I saw something about field recorders I believe was the post, 1778 02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:24,840 and you know, portable recording devices, and I had a zoom H four 1779 02:14:24,039 --> 02:14:30,960 N for recording fully stuff on audio dramas, and so I dropped in to 1780 02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:33,079 read the article, and I think I commented on the article saying like, 1781 02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:37,840 Oh, this is sounds like a really neat field recorder you're talking about. 1782 02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:39,760 I use this field recorder when I do fully And Jad's like, fully, 1783 02:14:41,439 --> 02:14:43,399 what what do you do fully on? And so I told them about some 1784 02:14:43,399 --> 02:14:48,439 of the projects that I was working on, and I think we connected from 1785 02:14:48,479 --> 02:14:54,680 there to do to eventually work together on Versus in Vox, which is another 1786 02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:58,279 fantastic podcast you guys should check out. I don't remember the u r all 1787 02:14:58,359 --> 02:15:01,239 off by heart, but you should definitely check it out. Versus in Vox 1788 02:15:01,319 --> 02:15:05,039 dot Com. There we go, Versusvox dot Com a great poetry show. 1789 02:15:05,079 --> 02:15:11,079 And I did some sound design on that for JD. And I forget exactly 1790 02:15:11,079 --> 02:15:16,439 what it is in that point that I started listening to to ATC. Actually, 1791 02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:18,920 I think I had heard about it before I interacted with JD, but 1792 02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:26,039 I didn't put two together for shockingly long, and then I did put two 1793 02:15:26,039 --> 02:15:30,479 and two together, so I checked it out. And I've always appreciated the 1794 02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:35,479 in depth reviews that JD has done and how he's even reformatted the show in 1795 02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:41,479 recent years, and the monologue segment has become one of my most favorite segments 1796 02:15:41,479 --> 02:15:46,239 for sure, to hear what JD's JD's thinking and yeah, yeah, and 1797 02:15:46,399 --> 02:15:50,159 I think I remember you telling me about shadows in Daylight in that comment section, 1798 02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:54,760 and that's all still there. I went and read through it not that 1799 02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:58,479 long ago. It's all still there in the comments on that post on my 1800 02:15:58,479 --> 02:16:01,720 website, and I was like, this is a really cool time capsule kind 1801 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:05,039 of looking back. And now we've known each other for what it's been over 1802 02:16:05,079 --> 02:16:09,199 ten years now, and now we're you know, we work on all kinds 1803 02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:13,399 of projects together. I mean, I've voiced characters in your show, and 1804 02:16:13,439 --> 02:16:18,600 then we make Greenhorn Tails together, and now you're part of the ATC crew 1805 02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:24,079 and Audio Drama Alliance. I mean, that's a whole other thing that we 1806 02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:26,600 could talk about for a long time, which we don't have time for today, 1807 02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:30,479 but oh my goodness, yeah, it's just been it's been a crazy, 1808 02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:33,040 amazing ride. And all of this comes back to ATC. I mean, 1809 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:35,479 if this didn't exist, I wouldn't know any of you guys. So 1810 02:16:37,559 --> 02:16:39,920 it's just really cool. It's really cool. Well, and going back to 1811 02:16:39,959 --> 02:16:43,559 that value that ATC brings to the community and those connections. And I think 1812 02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:48,120 it was Austin that was mentioning it earlier about those connections. That could be 1813 02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:50,520 wrong, but I'll give Austin credit anyways, he doesn't get enough credit. 1814 02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:54,559 He's a great guy. But going back to those connections, I mean, 1815 02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:58,799 I've I've done surveys, I've done you know, stats and links tracking and 1816 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,680 those kinds of things. And I can say with the strong certainty that the 1817 02:17:03,799 --> 02:17:09,479 majority of my listenership in projects that I've work on, like personally, like 1818 02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:15,200 things like Shadows and Daylight comes from people who checked it out because of Audio 1819 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:22,639 Theater Central and so like that's a significant impact on not just my shows but 1820 02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:24,840 shows in general, that people are going to check it out because of Audio 1821 02:17:24,879 --> 02:17:28,040 Theater Central. I've checked out so many shows because of Audio Theater Central. 1822 02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:31,959 I'd be like, I don't know what's what's good, you know, and 1823 02:17:31,879 --> 02:17:35,959 then checking seeing what I think a bit of time travel. I think I 1824 02:17:37,079 --> 02:17:39,680 first checked out because of Audio Theater Central, if I remember correctly, or 1825 02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:45,120 I could be totally nuts about and wrong, but I've checked out a few 1826 02:17:45,159 --> 02:17:50,479 things specifically because of ADC. Well, well, thank you that that's very 1827 02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:54,799 kind, and just to clarify, those are two different things. You could 1828 02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:56,200 be nuts and you could be wrong too, so I mean those are not 1829 02:17:56,280 --> 02:18:03,280 utually exclusive. No, no, that was very funny after those very kind 1830 02:18:03,319 --> 02:18:07,280 words, and then I just give you an uppercut right to the jaw. 1831 02:18:07,399 --> 02:18:15,600 So yeah, no, but yeah, you guys are so great and it's 1832 02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:18,159 always fun to work with the post that you haven't written. When you guys 1833 02:18:18,159 --> 02:18:22,159 are on the show, it's just a blast to work with people that you 1834 02:18:22,360 --> 02:18:24,799 like working with. I've said that kind of thing before, but it's it's 1835 02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:28,559 really true, and I at this point I have to say, I mean, 1836 02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:31,399 it would be totally remiss if I didn't say shout out to Roy and 1837 02:18:31,399 --> 02:18:35,000 Andrew for over ten years of co hosting the show with me. I'm getting 1838 02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:39,959 it running up and running with me and a huge, huge, part of 1839 02:18:39,479 --> 02:18:48,120 the content over those years and just so integral in what ATC became. And 1840 02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:54,040 you guys have been stepping in since their exit and it's been it's been great 1841 02:18:54,040 --> 02:18:58,120 having you guys involved. Before we head out the door, just real quickly, 1842 02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:01,280 and we don't have a whole lot of time, but and I know 1843 02:19:01,360 --> 02:19:07,079 this is going to be a challenge, but we'll go down the line and 1844 02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:13,040 just to real quickly share what it is about audio drama that you really love, 1845 02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:16,239 what what keeps you invested in this medium. So well, we'll start 1846 02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:20,879 with you, Austin, I like it betterman, someone else goes first. 1847 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,639 That is a is a really tough question. That's a great reason, Austin, 1848 02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:31,559 Well, audio drama to me is something I grew up with that in 1849 02:19:31,600 --> 02:19:35,360 folks is my main media source. And I don't know, there's something so 1850 02:19:35,559 --> 02:19:41,600 cozy about it, something that is so personal and something so unique about auto 1851 02:19:41,639 --> 02:19:45,440 drama that it's like I listened to Vich and Ossi for years and like those 1852 02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:50,360 characters and even the actors on their basically I consider those people to be my 1853 02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:54,399 family, even though they're fictional characters. And I think there's studies about how 1854 02:19:54,879 --> 02:19:58,719 listening to something directly, like if you listen to like a podcast or a 1855 02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:01,479 talk show host or something like that, there's something more personal about just listening 1856 02:20:01,479 --> 02:20:05,399 to their voice not seeing any visuals. And I think it's been a big 1857 02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:11,559 part while I love audio drama and how it makes my imagination bigger and it's 1858 02:20:11,559 --> 02:20:16,479 such a fun way to consume stories. Yeah, I mean, there's no 1859 02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:20,319 wrong answers here. I mean it's gonna be a little bit different probably for 1860 02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:24,360 every one of us, but I think it will also overlap a little bit 1861 02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:28,200 too, because this medium is audio is called an intimate medium. I mean, 1862 02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:33,479 because it is it's going right into your ear drums, and especially if 1863 02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:37,840 you're listening to something with headphones or something, it's just it draws you in. 1864 02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:41,079 It's very very close. And so I love that about it too, 1865 02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:46,120 how about you, Robert, Yeah, I mean I could second everything that 1866 02:20:46,159 --> 02:20:52,000 Austin just said there. But one of the things that I really appreciate about 1867 02:20:52,040 --> 02:21:03,159 audio drama is how it is a form of story that forces creativity because you 1868 02:21:03,239 --> 02:21:09,559 cannot write a audio drama without using some unique ways of telling a story, 1869 02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:16,319 and then as a listener, you get to interpret it with the creators, 1870 02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:20,760 you know, because you're you're playing a role in imagining what's going on. 1871 02:21:20,959 --> 02:21:24,200 Yeah, and that's that's a pretty unique thing for audio drama. Of course 1872 02:21:24,239 --> 02:21:30,360 you have that with with books as well, but audio drama has a whole 1873 02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:37,639 other level of all of the visuals are prompted with sound effects, with voice. 1874 02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:39,280 Yeah, but then you get to fill in the gaps and I think 1875 02:21:39,319 --> 02:21:46,120 that's just beautiful totally. Yeah, how about you, Michael Man see Austin. 1876 02:21:46,159 --> 02:21:50,600 It was better to go first because you know everything you guys said, 1877 02:21:50,719 --> 02:21:54,719 I'm just gonna be repeating stuff because yeah, it just gives so much scope 1878 02:21:54,760 --> 02:22:00,319 for the imagination. And growing up, we took a lot of long car 1879 02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:03,600 trips. We didn't we didn't have TV. I think we you know, 1880 02:22:03,639 --> 02:22:07,440 would watch a movie every once in a while, but audio drama was like 1881 02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:11,120 the primary form of entertainment for us, and still as an adult. It 1882 02:22:11,159 --> 02:22:15,840 gives you the ability to like engage with story even while you're doing other things. 1883 02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:18,840 Audio drama taught me to be a multitasker. That's it's one of the 1884 02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:26,280 foundational things now and a lot of the creators of audio drama, well at 1885 02:22:26,360 --> 02:22:30,159 least those stuff that I've been exposed to there's so much high quality audio drama 1886 02:22:30,200 --> 02:22:33,200 that agrees with my values, you know, as a Christian, and I 1887 02:22:33,239 --> 02:22:35,840 appreciate that a lot. And so there's really great stories that are being told 1888 02:22:37,079 --> 02:22:41,200 with this really great medium. And so that's why I appreciate audio drama very 1889 02:22:41,239 --> 02:22:46,000 different from Austin and Robert. But you know, I just I know that 1890 02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:48,920 that is respective. Yeah, that is a good point. I hadn't I 1891 02:22:48,959 --> 02:22:52,479 hadn't thought really about that too much. But yeah, that's that's very valid, 1892 02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:54,799 all right, Christopher, Okay, try to come up with something new, 1893 02:22:56,959 --> 02:22:58,120 no pressure. I like how visual it is. No, I'm just 1894 02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:03,520 kidding me. One could say that, make a case for that, but 1895 02:23:03,559 --> 02:23:05,879 that's not the case that I'm going to make. I think some of what 1896 02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:11,200 I appreciate about audio drama, the two things that I was just thinking of 1897 02:23:11,399 --> 02:23:18,879 is collaboration and the other thing is so I'm a multimedium artist, I guess 1898 02:23:18,879 --> 02:23:26,440 you could say, And I think what I appreciate in different mediums is how 1899 02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:33,520 you can lean into the either showing and not telling or the hiding certain facts 1900 02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:39,559 until just the right moment. We talked about Greenhorn Tales briefly that JD and 1901 02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:43,200 Michael and I all work on and that's a comedy. And there's the fact 1902 02:23:43,239 --> 02:23:46,319 that you can obscure certain things from the audience because they can't see it until 1903 02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:48,479 you let them know about it, and you let them know it just the 1904 02:23:48,559 --> 02:23:52,799 right time for the perfect comedic effect. You can do that in mystery and 1905 02:23:52,840 --> 02:23:56,760 all kinds of other things too, So I like using the fact that you 1906 02:23:56,920 --> 02:24:03,239 can't see to read direct people with that clever sleight of hand. But the 1907 02:24:03,319 --> 02:24:07,360 other thing that I like about audio drama is the collaborative aspect. Now this 1908 02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:11,840 may not have been something we would have said about audio drama fifteen twenty years 1909 02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:16,879 ago, necessarily, but I think in this day and age of connection through 1910 02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:22,600 the Internet and everything like that, there's a whole new world of audio drama 1911 02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:26,959 collaborative opportunities that would be much harder in another medium like film. You know, 1912 02:24:28,079 --> 02:24:33,319 if the five of us in this virtual room wanted to make a short 1913 02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:37,120 film together, it would be much harder to do that in a seamless way 1914 02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:43,559 remotely that would not feel piecemealed and awkward. Whereas I have collaborated in some 1915 02:24:43,719 --> 02:24:48,200 form or fashion with the five of you in this virtual room on audio drama 1916 02:24:48,239 --> 02:24:52,760 at some form, shape or form at some point, and it's seamless. 1917 02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:56,760 You wouldn't know we weren't all in the same room kind of thing, you 1918 02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:58,600 know. And certainly there is something to be said about recording people in the 1919 02:24:58,639 --> 02:25:03,399 same room has a certain effect too, But I think it opens up a 1920 02:25:03,399 --> 02:25:07,280 wealth of opportunity to collaborate with really cool people from all over the place and 1921 02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:11,600 may just make something that's greater than the some of its parts that is hard 1922 02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:15,959 to do in other mediums. That's absolutely true. Yeah, and I should 1923 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,920 say I mean, I don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier, 1924 02:25:18,959 --> 02:25:24,719 but both Robert and Austin have also been involved in Greenhorn Tails. Austin did 1925 02:25:24,719 --> 02:25:28,879 some voice track editing very early on in I think it was either on the 1926 02:25:28,920 --> 02:25:31,079 pilot or season one, you know. I think it was one episode of 1927 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:35,799 season one. I did a little bit, okay, and then Robert did 1928 02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:39,159 sound design on an episode from season one. I'm blanking on the title now, 1929 02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:43,079 Robert, can you remind me there was a violin? I honestly forget 1930 02:25:43,079 --> 02:25:46,200 the title too. Oh, fiddles and flapjacks or flapjacks and fiddles, one 1931 02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:50,200 of those two flap jackson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great job on 1932 02:25:50,239 --> 02:25:56,280 that. So yeah. In fact, his snippet of his work got featured 1933 02:25:56,280 --> 02:26:01,600 at Soniccon the first Sonic Coon because that was the only piece of Greenhorn Tales 1934 02:26:01,639 --> 02:26:05,319 that was actually finished at that at that time. But oh wow, I 1935 02:26:05,959 --> 02:26:07,280 did not know that. That's awesome. Yeah, so we get to premiere 1936 02:26:07,319 --> 02:26:13,920 that little a segment of that episode at Sonicon. But yeah, so man, 1937 02:26:13,159 --> 02:26:16,200 guys, thank you so much for doing this. This is it's a 1938 02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:18,879 joy to work with all of you. It was so great having you all 1939 02:26:20,239 --> 02:26:24,879 on the show. I've really appreciated it, and I just want you to 1940 02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:28,520 know publicly that your contributions have not gone unnoticed. And I was just telling 1941 02:26:28,559 --> 02:26:31,280 Austin this the other day because it was not long ago. It was his 1942 02:26:31,399 --> 02:26:37,399 birthday. But I don't say it enough, but I really do appreciate you 1943 02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:41,200 guys and the contributions you've made to this community, and not just to ATC, 1944 02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:43,280 but to audio drama as a whole, because each of you have have 1945 02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:48,399 you know, as as Robert's story earlier illustrated, have impacted others in the 1946 02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:54,799 industry. And now Austin is working as an audio drama producer these days, 1947 02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:58,559 and Christopher has been producing stuff too, and so it's just it's a great 1948 02:26:58,559 --> 02:27:01,319 community. And I just want you guys to know that I appreciate all of 1949 02:27:01,319 --> 02:27:05,000 you. Well, we appreciate you, JD. More than you know, 1950 02:27:05,159 --> 02:27:09,959 more than you realize. Here here absolutely well. Before we say goodbye, 1951 02:27:11,079 --> 02:27:13,840 I have one final question, and this is going to be probably the most 1952 02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:16,959 difficult one yet. So I don't know if you guys are ready for this. 1953 02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:22,200 No, no, I'm not. Wait. I want to ask you 1954 02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:24,559 why why are you so passionate about audio drama? JD. You've done two 1955 02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:30,120 hundred episodes of Audio Theater Central, and I'd like you to answer the question 1956 02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:33,399 that you made us answer before you go onto the last really hard one. 1957 02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:37,840 I have to prepare myself. It's getting power, Hugly. You should have 1958 02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:41,319 waited for him to ask the question, then ask him the question, so 1959 02:27:41,399 --> 02:27:45,959 you had time to think about your answer while he's answering the question. I 1960 02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:50,760 am so bad at timing. You're right, okay, ask the question. 1961 02:27:54,159 --> 02:27:58,000 No, But similar to you, Michael, I mean I did grow up 1962 02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:01,360 in a home without a television too, so audio entertainment was you know, 1963 02:28:01,399 --> 02:28:03,760 what we listened to, and it's the same thing here. My family did 1964 02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:07,120 travel a lot. We took road trips. I mean, we didn't have 1965 02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:11,639 a whole lot of money, so our vacations were usually road trips to visit 1966 02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:18,280 family in nearby states or things like that, or going to see some natural 1967 02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:22,799 wonders in our area, different things like that. And so we were constantly 1968 02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:26,440 listening to stories, and of course I was listening to things on the radio 1969 02:28:26,559 --> 02:28:31,200 as well, and so audio drama has been a part of my life for 1970 02:28:31,239 --> 02:28:35,600 as long as I can remember, really, and I remember the very first 1971 02:28:35,639 --> 02:28:41,600 audio drama I ever heard. I was probably four years old, and it's 1972 02:28:41,639 --> 02:28:45,719 from a series called Stand and Tall. They're no longer in production, but 1973 02:28:45,799 --> 02:28:50,920 you can still find them out there. And they're not super deeply immersive stories 1974 02:28:50,959 --> 02:28:56,040 like we might get from Odyssey or radio theater, but they were audio drama, 1975 02:28:56,079 --> 02:29:01,920 full cast, sound effects music, and they taught character building lessons with 1976 02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:05,319 each production, and they would come in on a cassette and there was a 1977 02:29:05,319 --> 02:29:09,319 little book that would go along with it, and there was illustrations all throughout, 1978 02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:11,639 and the entire script of the story was in the book, so you 1979 02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:15,159 could follow along as you were listening. And like I said, I was 1980 02:29:15,159 --> 02:29:18,719 about four years old, listening to those stories, and so I grew up 1981 02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:24,559 with those and I don't know when it first really just sunk in, as 1982 02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:28,280 I love this medium so much, but it became such a part of my 1983 02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:35,040 life that as I started working in producing audio for other things and hosting shows 1984 02:29:35,079 --> 02:29:37,200 and things like that, I was thinking, you know, there's got to 1985 02:29:37,239 --> 02:29:41,920 be other people out there like me who really enjoy audio drama and would like 1986 02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:46,879 to talk about it. And so that was one of the reasons why they 1987 02:29:46,920 --> 02:29:52,319 decided to do ATC. But it's just because this medium is so amazing and 1988 02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:54,319 it is so immersive, and I do love the aspect and I'll hear as 1989 02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:58,840 where I'll start repeating everything you guys have said. But you can be driving 1990 02:29:58,040 --> 02:30:01,639 for a long distance. I mean not just writing in the car, but 1991 02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:03,959 you can be driving and listen. You can't watch something while you're at least 1992 02:30:03,959 --> 02:30:09,200 you shouldn't. Don't do that. But you can't be playing a video game 1993 02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:13,319 or you know, those kind of things. And so there's a way to 1994 02:30:13,639 --> 02:30:18,200 consume great content that's not just high quality. But as you pointed out, 1995 02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:22,440 my whole the majority of the high quality audio drama in the world, and 1996 02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:26,760 I don't have any qualm saying that some of the highest quality audio drama in 1997 02:30:26,799 --> 02:30:31,959 the world is being made in the family friendly space, specifically by Christian organizations, 1998 02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:35,799 and so it's great, not just awesome stories, but it's great for 1999 02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:41,159 you as a person, character building and spiritual lessons and things like that. 2000 02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:46,920 So this storytelling medium is just amazing. And I would be out mowing the 2001 02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:50,840 lawn with a walkman clipped to my belt listening to Adventures and Odyssey and things 2002 02:30:50,920 --> 02:30:56,559 like that. You know, it's just wow, what's a Walkman? Google 2003 02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:01,879 it, you'll figure it out, okay. But and the more I got 2004 02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:05,920 into it, and in the early days of the Adventures of Odyssey website and 2005 02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:11,399 seeing the behind the scenes of the voice actors and things like that. I'm 2006 02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:13,879 sure all of you here remember that old website that had sort of like a 2007 02:31:15,399 --> 02:31:18,680 pie chart looking graphic on the front page with the different sections of the website 2008 02:31:18,959 --> 02:31:22,760 wedges, you know, and just, oh goodness, the good old days. 2009 02:31:22,799 --> 02:31:26,639 And finding some of these other fans. I mean, I think maybe 2010 02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:31,319 the aio HQ was around back then when I first started getting online and looking 2011 02:31:31,319 --> 02:31:35,200 at stuff like that, and and so it's just seeing the fan base and 2012 02:31:35,559 --> 02:31:37,680 just thinking you know, it would be awesome to be a part of this, 2013 02:31:37,799 --> 02:31:41,760 and so I don't know, I think I went a little bit beyond 2014 02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:46,399 the original question. But it is an amazing storytelling medium. And the more 2015 02:31:46,399 --> 02:31:50,040 I've gotten into the on the behind the scenes sort of things on the production 2016 02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:54,000 side of things, the more I appreciate the medium because it is so powerful 2017 02:31:54,159 --> 02:31:56,600 and there are so many things you can do with it you can't do with 2018 02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:03,559 other mediums, and it's so versatile, and and I just I love it 2019 02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:07,479 well. And I love that you found such a creative way to contribute, 2020 02:32:07,559 --> 02:32:11,559 because I think a lot of us growing up listening to Adventures in Odyssey thought, 2021 02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:13,840 oh, I'd love to be part of audio drama, you know, 2022 02:32:13,879 --> 02:32:16,879 as an actor, writer or whatever. But to do reviews and then the 2023 02:32:16,879 --> 02:32:22,040 Seneca Awards and all the different ways that you've brought the audio drama community, 2024 02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:26,079 all these different players together. It is a really cool way to contribute. 2025 02:32:26,159 --> 02:32:30,319 So I think that's a really awesome thing about ATC. But JD also contributes 2026 02:32:30,799 --> 02:32:33,319 now more and more, I would say, as as a as an actor 2027 02:32:33,360 --> 02:32:37,920 and all these things things as well. Right, I'm just gonna and I 2028 02:32:37,959 --> 02:32:41,000 know, I know that you weren't glossing over that, Michael. But I 2029 02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:45,399 just like to, you know, inflate JD's tires because I know he's not 2030 02:32:45,479 --> 02:32:48,920 gonna I know he's not He's he's not too self promote, so I'm going 2031 02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:56,319 to promote him for him. But he's done recently a fantastic short audio drama 2032 02:32:56,559 --> 02:33:01,319 called Another Year Older, Another Year Wiser, I think is one of the 2033 02:33:01,360 --> 02:33:05,319 best things that I've heard recently in audio drama. So you can check that 2034 02:33:05,319 --> 02:33:11,200 out at JD. Suttert Me as well. So that's a that's a great 2035 02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:13,840 one to check out. But yeah, he's done more and more voice too, 2036 02:33:13,959 --> 02:33:16,559 shown up in Pirateers as well as what else have you been? You've 2037 02:33:16,559 --> 02:33:20,159 been in a bit of time travel, I believe. Can I say this 2038 02:33:22,159 --> 02:33:24,840 a recent Heart Matters production that came out, you can edit that out. 2039 02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:28,079 If I can't say that, I think I can say that that's already been 2040 02:33:28,079 --> 02:33:31,440 on the po. Yeah, there you go, and uh, you know 2041 02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:35,559 it's so yeah exactly. So I mean, like, I think there's there's 2042 02:33:35,639 --> 02:33:39,520 quite a bit of contributions in you know, echoing what Michael said, You've 2043 02:33:39,559 --> 02:33:43,920 you've contributed in some unique ways, but also increasingly I think what I like 2044 02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:48,639 is that because you've spent it's like it's like you spent so many years studying 2045 02:33:48,879 --> 02:33:50,879 how they do it, and now you just like come out of the gate 2046 02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:54,040 and just be just kind of like people like, WHOA, where did JD 2047 02:33:54,159 --> 02:33:58,000 come from? He's just like he's he knows his stuff, so you know, 2048 02:33:58,399 --> 02:34:03,000 well researched, yeah, yeah, and he's got such inflated tires. 2049 02:34:03,399 --> 02:34:05,879 I know, it's like a monster truck. What are you gonna do? 2050 02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:11,680 Well? And the more I got involved, you know, with meeting just 2051 02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:16,280 the people behind the scenes, as I started interviewing them for Audio Theater Central, 2052 02:34:16,920 --> 02:34:22,319 the more I realized that this community not talking about just us here as 2053 02:34:22,680 --> 02:34:26,319 sort of the critics of the industry, but that the people actually making these 2054 02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:33,360 shows are so down to earth and personable and fun to be around. I 2055 02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:37,159 mean, Michael knows many of them from going to the Lamplader Guild and being 2056 02:34:37,159 --> 02:34:41,319 involved with lamp Ladder, and I know Austin has met several of them as 2057 02:34:41,360 --> 02:34:43,719 well. And so these people that you, at least for me, I 2058 02:34:43,719 --> 02:34:48,000 mean a lot of them, I grew up listening to their work either as 2059 02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:50,680 actors and like in the case of Phil Lawler. I remember hearing him on 2060 02:34:50,719 --> 02:34:56,079 the show as an actor, and of course his writing and Jungle Jam and 2061 02:34:56,079 --> 02:35:01,079 Odyssey and all this stuff, and now I know them. They're just genuine 2062 02:35:01,639 --> 02:35:05,920 nice people. And so as I got to know the industry, I thought, 2063 02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:09,959 more people need to know about this amazing work that is being done in 2064 02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:16,559 this space a lot of Christians Evangelicals as a whole, like Odyssey is like 2065 02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:20,280 the staple, like people know Odyssey, but there are some other high quality 2066 02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:24,399 stuff that could get out to a broader audience. A lot of what radio 2067 02:35:24,440 --> 02:35:28,760 theater has done, our adaptations of classic literature, those can have a broader 2068 02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:31,840 reach, and you know, a lamplightder theater. Even though a lot of 2069 02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:35,760 that stuff is explicitly Christian, a lot of it is just great storytelling. 2070 02:35:37,399 --> 02:35:41,840 And so I thought, you know, what can we do to help broaden 2071 02:35:41,399 --> 02:35:46,079 the scope of the reach of these shows. And so that's sort of been 2072 02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:50,559 a passion of mine, is to help bring more people, more listeners in 2073 02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:54,399 and then also those people who love Adventures in Odyssey, introduce them to this 2074 02:35:54,440 --> 02:35:58,680 other stuff that's really really great. And another aspect of that is as I 2075 02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:01,920 started to connect with more people in the industry. I was able to connect 2076 02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:09,719 them with each other for different projects, for example, bringing Jered Dipesqual onto 2077 02:36:09,079 --> 02:36:13,719 Ian Boltman's radar to bring him in to work on the Brinkman Adventures. And 2078 02:36:15,479 --> 02:36:20,280 that's just one example. And I love making those connections and so I, 2079 02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:22,600 oh, go ahead, go ahead, just to give it. Throw out 2080 02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:28,760 another example. One of the actresses on Shadows and Daylight, she came on 2081 02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:35,040 to Shadows and Daylight because she was interviewed on Audio Theater Central and so that's 2082 02:36:35,079 --> 02:36:39,120 Abigail Bourne, who was part of She was being interviewed for her involvement in 2083 02:36:39,159 --> 02:36:45,559 the Lamplighter Guild and we were looking for our replacement for a particular character at 2084 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:50,239 the time. The previous person, just life commitments, wasn't able to keep 2085 02:36:50,360 --> 02:36:52,840 up with the role anymore. And I was listening to the episode just because 2086 02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:56,719 ATC is great and I was listening to it, and then I was like, 2087 02:36:56,840 --> 02:37:00,479 you know, her voice could totally fit this role. And so JD 2088 02:37:00,639 --> 02:37:05,159 was able to introduce that connection and make that happen. So that's just another 2089 02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:11,920 one of the many ways that JD is the talent broker, the spider in 2090 02:37:11,959 --> 02:37:18,159 the web. Oh if you will not comparable to the part you played on 2091 02:37:18,239 --> 02:37:28,479 the Heart Matters would Yeah, no connection whatsoever. Or to Professor Moriarty, 2092 02:37:28,280 --> 02:37:33,559 you're the good Professor Moriarty of radio drama. JD. I've always thought of 2093 02:37:33,559 --> 02:37:41,799 you that way. He's the good twin of Moriarty. That's right. Oh 2094 02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:45,239 well, thank you guys for those kind words. I appreciate it. And 2095 02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,920 it's like I said, I already said this, but it's a pleasure knowing 2096 02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:54,079 all of you and having you involved. But if Michael doesn't have any more 2097 02:37:54,079 --> 02:38:00,520 interruptions, I'm gonna throw it. I'm sorry. I know that was a 2098 02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:03,040 long derailing, but it was so worth it. Guys. We got such 2099 02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:05,840 great content out of that. That was a good answer, JD. Good 2100 02:38:05,879 --> 02:38:09,280 answer, and he forgot to ask us the question. Oops, all right, 2101 02:38:09,319 --> 02:38:11,639 no, I'm ready. I'm ready. Now this is behind the scenes. 2102 02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:13,639 Thing that people don't know is that like JD doesn't actually come on the 2103 02:38:13,719 --> 02:38:18,520 show with like notes and stuff. It's just like Michael actually just like gives 2104 02:38:18,559 --> 02:38:22,000 him a prompt a question and then JD just rips the entire show and he 2105 02:38:22,040 --> 02:38:26,280 just cuts the part with Michael out. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I've 2106 02:38:26,280 --> 02:38:30,680 actually been involved with every episode giving me you a peek behind the curtain here 2107 02:38:30,760 --> 02:38:37,440 at episode two hundred. No. Now, this is a question that I've 2108 02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:39,479 been asking all of the industry guests, and I'm gonna throw it at you 2109 02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:43,159 guys. Now, you guys have been at backstage. You haven't heard what 2110 02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:46,760 they've been answering. So now I'm gonna throw it at you. Are you 2111 02:38:46,799 --> 02:38:52,520 ready? No? Yes? Maybe? All right? So this is going 2112 02:38:52,559 --> 02:38:56,360 to be this or that, and you have to immediately answer the first thing 2113 02:38:56,360 --> 02:39:01,680 that comes to mind. Austin Mexican food or Italian food, Mexican food, 2114 02:39:03,079 --> 02:39:11,319 Robert Italian, Michael Oh Mexican, Christopher Mexican. Oh wow. Well, 2115 02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:13,760 as I said before, there are no wrong answers. What's what's your favorite 2116 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:20,799 dish? Chileiriano's and enchiladas? Oh okay, Lazagna. That's a personal favor 2117 02:39:20,879 --> 02:39:24,840 of mine too. You me and Garfield, I mean we love our lozign 2118 02:39:26,920 --> 02:39:31,000 Michael, how about you do carneasada fries? Count? Is that more American? 2119 02:39:31,319 --> 02:39:35,479 I'll allow it, Thank you, thank you. Isn't that a taco 2120 02:39:35,479 --> 02:39:39,239 bell thing? No? No, no, no. There's this place down 2121 02:39:39,319 --> 02:39:41,639 the street that I'm pretty sure is run by a cartel, but they have 2122 02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:48,559 great CARNIASDA fries, and they're so authentic you can taste. But anyways, 2123 02:39:48,719 --> 02:39:54,360 let's move on from that. All right, how about you, Christopher Burritos 2124 02:39:54,040 --> 02:39:58,239 used to work in a burrito place, and there's a particular way that I 2125 02:39:58,360 --> 02:40:01,239 make them, having learned from their day. I really like how how well? 2126 02:40:01,319 --> 02:40:05,440 Is it a secret? No? Not really, I guess the main 2127 02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:09,000 difference is just it's there's a particular it's hard to this is almost impossible to 2128 02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:13,360 explain it audio. There's just a particular way that it's like rolled and then 2129 02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:20,040 like cooked on all sides of the outside. He's clapping his hands together for 2130 02:40:20,079 --> 02:40:24,559 our audio listeners, and I can see it. I can see this. 2131 02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:31,840 It's amazing. I just make a burrito on the show. Yeah. Wow. 2132 02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:33,639 And then the way you got your feet involved that was wild. That 2133 02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:48,120 was oh my goodness. All right, that's a Greenhorn Tales episode right there. 2134 02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:58,360 Forget season two. We'll just post that. Yeah, I love I 2135 02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:05,280 love a good burrito too. And the cornea. That was a great segue. 2136 02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:13,120 Sorry, sorry, come in again. That's why I'm a professional and 2137 02:41:13,239 --> 02:41:18,200 not Michael. Right, that's why I don't have a podcast. I'm gonna 2138 02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:20,799 mute myself. But the Carney of Fries, I mean, that's the thing 2139 02:41:20,840 --> 02:41:24,360 down here in Arizona as well. I mean a lot of these food trucks 2140 02:41:24,399 --> 02:41:28,440 and and different taco shops, takarias they you can get those there. So 2141 02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:33,159 honestly, I have never had them before, so maybe I'm missing out. 2142 02:41:33,440 --> 02:41:37,200 You are, okay, I'll take your word for it and I will try 2143 02:41:37,239 --> 02:41:41,000 them. I've never even heard of them. Well, thank you again, 2144 02:41:41,239 --> 02:41:43,479 gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. And uh, in the show notes, 2145 02:41:43,479 --> 02:41:46,600 we don't have time to go through and all but all of these guys are 2146 02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:50,479 involved in some great projects elsewhere outside of ATC that are linked in the show 2147 02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:54,799 notes that you'll definitely want to go check out. I want to give them 2148 02:41:54,799 --> 02:41:58,280 some love here in the in the show notes, and so head over and 2149 02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:01,399 check out what they're doing and that they have done in the past. So 2150 02:42:01,319 --> 02:42:03,559 thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for coming on the 2151 02:42:03,559 --> 02:42:07,360 show. You are most welcome. Thank you. JD. Yeah, it 2152 02:42:07,399 --> 02:42:11,120 is an honor to be here. Thanks for inviting me. Yes, thank 2153 02:42:11,159 --> 02:42:13,520 you. This was a lot of fun. And Joa, We're going to 2154 02:42:13,559 --> 02:42:18,559 catch you next time. Four hundred episode. We've sent people there looking for 2155 02:42:18,639 --> 02:42:26,440 you. They will find you. Oh that was such a blast chatting with 2156 02:42:26,520 --> 02:42:30,399 those guys. We are an amazing group of creatives that I am so pleased 2157 02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:33,879 to be able to work with and to bring the content on this podcast and 2158 02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:39,479 the website to you along with their help. So thank you to every single 2159 02:42:39,479 --> 02:42:43,559 one of them. And just a quick correction, I said in the conversation 2160 02:42:43,639 --> 02:42:46,799 that I met Michael at the first get in the show finale. That is 2161 02:42:46,799 --> 02:42:50,920 incorrect. It was actually at the second get in the show finale in twenty 2162 02:42:50,920 --> 02:42:56,159 seventeen. That is chronicled in ATC number ninety six, so you can hear 2163 02:42:56,200 --> 02:42:58,600 that if you would like. And that is actually also where I met Austin 2164 02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:03,559 In for the first time. And so that is a fun, fun episode 2165 02:43:03,559 --> 02:43:07,000 that you'll want to check out if you haven't heard before. Well, this 2166 02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:11,959 episode would not have been possible without so many people, and I just want 2167 02:43:13,000 --> 02:43:16,799 to take a moment to say thank you to all of the industry guests. 2168 02:43:16,840 --> 02:43:20,159 In alphabetical order, starting with the ladies, we have Alisha Hansen, Katie 2169 02:43:20,239 --> 02:43:24,799 Lee, and Kathy Sarah, followed by Dave Arnold, Todd Busteed, Jared 2170 02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:30,680 di Pesqual, John Thornoff, Aaron Fullen, Craig Hart, Glenn Haskell, 2171 02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:35,040 Nathan Hubler, Rob Jorgensen, Droby Kern, Phil Lawler, Paul McCusker, 2172 02:43:35,319 --> 02:43:41,360 pat Roy and Marshall Younger. These are some of the top professionals in this 2173 02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:48,079 industry. This episode featured a who's who of family friendly audio drama and I 2174 02:43:48,120 --> 02:43:52,719 am so so grateful that they would take the time to talk with me and 2175 02:43:52,920 --> 02:43:56,280 share a little bit about their thoughts on this medium with you. So thank 2176 02:43:56,319 --> 02:44:03,159 you to every single one of you. Also to the ATC contributors Roy Andrew 2177 02:44:03,239 --> 02:44:07,239 Austen, Robert Michael, Christopher and Joa, thank you so much for your 2178 02:44:07,280 --> 02:44:11,120 contributions to ATC and to this industry as a whole. Thank you so much. 2179 02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:16,360 To every past guest host and interviewee who's ever appeared on the show. 2180 02:44:16,719 --> 02:44:20,559 Thank you, I appreciate you. To all of the listeners who left a 2181 02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:26,000 voice message for this episode. Christian Manassian, Caleb Bresler, David Hilder, 2182 02:44:26,280 --> 02:44:31,399 Jeremy Levy, Odyssey Fan, Betsy Nicholson, Jason Markowitz, Phil Lawler, 2183 02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:35,920 Bethany Baldwin, and Trisha Rose. Thank you so much to each of you, 2184 02:44:37,360 --> 02:44:39,920 and to every single one of you. Who listens to this show, 2185 02:44:39,360 --> 02:44:43,799 thank you for listening. And if you've ever shared the show with a friend 2186 02:44:43,040 --> 02:44:48,280 on social media or in a text message or in a conversation, thank you 2187 02:44:48,360 --> 02:44:52,079 for doing that. That helps us grow this community. So please continue to 2188 02:44:52,120 --> 02:44:56,920 do that. Share ATC with a friend. If they love audio drama, 2189 02:44:56,280 --> 02:45:00,879 I think if they give it two or three episodes, they're going to love 2190 02:45:01,079 --> 02:45:03,840 ATC as well. So thank you for listening and thank you for sharing. 2191 02:45:05,559 --> 02:45:11,000 Thank you so much for two hundred episodes of the show. I'm just very 2192 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,719 very grateful. Well, if you would like to get in touch with us 2193 02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:18,639 as always, you can head over to audio Theatercentral dot com slash contact. 2194 02:45:18,040 --> 02:45:22,600 All of the different ways to reach out are listed there. The show notes 2195 02:45:22,639 --> 02:45:26,879 for this episode are at audio Theatercentral dot com slash two hundred. Ah. 2196 02:45:28,280 --> 02:45:33,399 It's still hard to imagine saying that two hundred episodes, but anyway, I'll 2197 02:45:33,399 --> 02:45:41,959 see you next time. Thank you so much for listening. Hi. This 2198 02:45:41,079 --> 02:45:48,000 is Betsy Nicholson from Elizabethdintonnessee. Audio Theater Central is a production of Porchlite Family 2199 02:45:48,040 --> 02:45:52,559 Media. The theme music was composed by Sam Avendanio. The show is produced 2200 02:45:52,559 --> 02:46:03,600 and edited by JD. Sutter. Find the website at audio Theatercentral dot com. 2201 02:46:03,879 --> 02:46:13,079 Sporchlight Family Media your source for family centered content Scorchlightfamilymedia dot com