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What up, everybody? Welcome back
to the dragon Ball Virgin podcast. You

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got your hosts, Me goes in
from Anime Uproar and Ray the anime Virgin,

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turning the anime version as well as
the Dragon Ball version, turning from

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a virgin into a chat. As
we now head towards the middle of Dragon

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Ball Super Whatever, What up,
guys? Nice to be here. And

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then we got a special guest,
Kid Kai. What up, kid Guy?

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What's going on? Guys? So
Kid Kai goes way back in anime

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Uproar history. I've been at friends
with him since I was four, and

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he was also if you go to
the earlier reviews on the Anime Outproar channel

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from like over five years ago,
we were actually reviewing episodes, me and

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kid Kai, and we were reviewing
episode It's in this arc. So it's

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so cool five years later to be
able to bring him back on in a

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podcast this time and talk about kind
of the same episodes and how our opinions

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may have changed, and just yeah, I thought it would be a really

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cool thing to do. So I'm
really glad to have him back on.

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He is not a virgin about dragon
Ball by any means, and he knows.

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You know, it's probably more than
I do, because he's watched it

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definitely more times than me. So
very glad to have him on. Thank

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you for having me. It's I'm
glad to be back. It's been a

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bit of a hiatus. But when
you called me last week to come back,

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I was definitely excited. Yeah,
yeah, I definitely wanted to have

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you on. And this was the
perfect time because it marks like the over

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five years since we were reviewing these
episodes, and it can't believe it's been

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that long. It doesn't feel like
it. Yeah, when you said five

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years, for some reason for me, it felt to only like maybe like

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two or three years ago. But
yeah, yeah, five years ago.

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That's how old Dragon Ball Super is
at this point, which is crazy to

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think about. But let's get into
the arc, the good stuff, some

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initial thoughts, and then we'll get
into the chronological order. Ray. Let's

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start with you, all right,
initial thoughts. It's cool that we got

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another tournament. I love I love
the tournaments going all the way back to

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Dragon Ball. This one was,
I mean, the last fight was,

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I was, I think pretty cool. There were some kind of subpower fights

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within the tournament, but you always
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the end I think was interesting because
I feel like, I don't know if

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you want to even call it filler, but the stuff in between kind of

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the major events, you always think, how is it going to be interesting?

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And I think the way that the
writers framed it in that Goku at

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first can't really use his powers to
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hours are sucked from him and he
can't like he's helpless as well. I

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think that's an interesting approach to setting
up the obstacle that we faced at the

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MS. So overall I thought it
was a pretty cool arc and it was

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also I thought really interesting how they
just keep expanding the world in dragon Ball

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from now we get other universes.
Yeah, we keep getting like stronger and

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stronger characters, Like you can't have
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So they kind of almost introduced a
peak Gogu game in Reach. Yeah,

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like characters and also the universe I
think is really cool. Because a dragon

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Ball everything took place on Earth dragon
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Now we're getting into other universes,
and I love that idea, Like

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I'm not huge into science and astronomy, but one thing I am interested in

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are like the multiverse theory, how
there could be other universes out there that

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are similar to ours and slay different
ways. So we get that idea.

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You are interested in that kind of
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what I thought was cool regarding the universe

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as how you get this other universe
that has slight like they have similarities with

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Earth. They're just there's a slight
difference to them, so not Earth,

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I guess, but their particular universe
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the sixty universe. So overall,
I thought it was interesting, and I

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like the way it's going where we're
just the world. The world building has

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gotten to be really interesting and we're
exploring other universes. So overall, I

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think it's a cool approach that super
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may maybe it's better to hold it
till the end that we talk about it,

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but I will want to know at
some point where you rank this among

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the first three arcs that we saw, so including the Beers arc, the

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Free Golden Freezer arc, and then
this arc. So you could think on

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that. But kid Kai, I'd
like to know your opinion right now,

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which how do you place this with
those first two? Um, this has

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been my favorite so far. I
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think partly part of that is because
me and kid Kai both like Hit a

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lot, so I think that Yeah, yeah, yeah, it hits an

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amazing character. Yeah, when you
get characters you like, it makes sense

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that it's gonna be like one of
your favorite arcs, right, because to

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me Hit was amazing too. I
will repeat this later, but two weeks

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from now, guys, we will
be covering the Future Trunks Saga forty seven

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to seventy six. I did say
Future Trunks this time because Ray, if

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you watch to the end of where
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been introduced again to Future Trunks,
so we'll see. And I mentioned I

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said it would be so cool if
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Yeah, I know, it's like
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I remember when you were thinking of
fusions and I was like, who would

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you most like to see like fuse
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and Vegeta and in my mind.
I was like, dude, everyone like

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is hyped by their transformation, but
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So a lot of things you really
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it makes me think that Dragon Ball
and Toriyama is good at giving the fans

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what they want to see. Yeah, too bad. We probably won't get

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Vegeto anytime soon. It seems like
they're pretty content of staying apart. Yeah,

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which is interesting because it brings back
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and Vegeto is especially op So it's
interesting to see them just I want to

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grow by my own power and not
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that's pretty cool as well. But
we can now take it chronologically. So

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the way we do this kid Kai
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giving his thoughts along the way,
and then we can chime in whenever we

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have something we want to say about
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first episode we get gokuvia Jeeta.
They're starting off by training. This is

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where we get Chompa arriving at the
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and then introducing the concept of getting
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we also, yeah, that's when
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dimensions. How um, I forget
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Is it like twelve or something?
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twelve yea, And then they all
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corresponding. Yeah yeah, yeah,
so like universe one plus twelve is thirteen

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two and eleven is thirteen and so
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perfect. So then yeah, we
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correspond together others, so they have
those similarities and we see that throughout the

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arc as well, how they are
characters that look like each other. They

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are sayings in the other universe,
So we get introduced to that all in

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the first episode. They also talk
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wish orbs, which are basically super
dragon balls. They're like dragon balls,

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except they have more potential than That's
so funny. It's like, no one's

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gonna call them wish orbs, so
they're like, yeah, in your world,

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you might call them super dragon balls. Yeah, like, okay,

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that makes more sense exactly. So
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They start talking about creating a tournament
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tournament, which I got pretty hyped
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I love tournaments. Yeah that's another
thing I forgot to even consider. But

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yeah, I mean I think a
guy relates to that. I mean,

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I think we all like tournament arcs, but yeah, Ray loves them,

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so he was really excited to see
this one as well. Yeah, I

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actually think dragon Ball might be the
father of the tournament like arcs, Like

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they really popularize it, and then
other innime later on, like Naruto or

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YuYu Hawker Show started imitating and having
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definitely dragon Ball. And I told
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of the ones that started or at
least popular a lot. Popularized so many

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tropes that you'll find another anime,
and like even the their aliens thing starts

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popping up more than you'd expect in
some popular shown But I won't mention which

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right now. Yeah, though I
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tournaments, I find like, looking
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they are the best in my opinion, because there's just more of a sense

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of like reality there, and how
with these particular tournaments who have people like

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holding back from the beginning, Goku
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was only a limit on this particular
characters. So I did like the original

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dragon Ball tournaments, and I like
the whole field behind it, like the

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crowd getting into it. These are
obviously different kind of adaptations of the They're

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sorry the original tournaments, but yeah, I mean I was super excited,

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super excited the Super Tournament. We
also get the whole concept of finding dragon

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balls, even though it's not emphasized
compared to you know, back in dragon

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Ball, where Bullma creates the super
dragon Ball radar Um to find that other

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dragon ball. And we talked again
for how useful she is in the story,

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like, no matter how much time
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her scientist nature to be useful.
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his farm. She was really good
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But yeah, we get that.
We get information about the tournament itself,

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how there needs to be five people
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get we haven't even mentioned them yet. But the star if it is a

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guy, I guess the star of
the tournament manaka, it's a guy,

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right, good guy. Well,
his name means great nipples, so I

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mean no, like his nipples are
obvious, but I think they used he

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and uh in the actual dub um. But yeah, I always thought about

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him as a dude. Yea,
such an awkward design, obviously on purpose,

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but just like those protruding nipples,
it's so funny how he's like such

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an inside joke the whole time,
dude, And obviously like Goku, you

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know, it's easy to make fun
of Google, but it's hilarious and it's

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gag worthy, right Torialba likes his
gag manga. And yeah, I actually

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enjoyed having Goku would just constantly figure
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Naka being the strongest despite all of
these signs to the contrary. Yeah,

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it kind of reminded me of her
cool as well. Yeah, exactly,

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this character gets away with He's somehow
able to for the most part, slip

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through the cracks and get people to
believe him that we obviously, everyone finds

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out later that the whole Manaka story
was a sham except Goku. But I

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just find it hilarious how he gets
away with for most of the episodes here

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everyone believing that he's super strong,
and even Goku at the beginning, he's

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like, oh man, this guy
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him and he can't even dodge him, and he's crying and he's so confused.

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He's like, how could this guy? Well, I don't think he

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really thought that, but you know, as the audience were like, what

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the hell? How did he not
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suspicion arises. But I didn't do
it? Did you, like, I

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want to know, as the Dragon
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initially showed him, Okay, this
makes sense or were you like, this

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was weird. Design is not very
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is not cool. But then again, we've come across different characters who have

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a weird design and they're strong.
So I'm I wasn't necessarily so you didn't

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know it was a joke right away. Not right away, but as soon

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as Goku ended up punching him and
he couldn't dodge it, you're thinking,

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all right, this is probably a
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when he used him as this excuse
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So that made complete sense. But
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looks a little weird for to be
the strongest person in the universe or strongest

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creature in the universe. But you
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like even deerst he you know,
when we first was introduced to him,

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I mean, he looks a lot
more intimidating than Manaka, but I

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didn't see the potential in him at
first. Interesting, kid Kai, what

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about you? Do you remember your
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he was a joke character, right
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well, well, yeah I was. I didn't. I didn't catch onto

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it right away because, like as
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through your original Dragon Ball, you
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and stuff like that and it and
like so it kind of like threw me

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off, if you know what I
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I didn't have that trope of like, oh, everybody that's strong is super

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muscular as that portant and I mean
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Zeno was introduced that he's skinnier and
smaller than Monaca. So you're right,

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to have that thought that just because
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they could still be super powerful.
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Ball Z, where there were so
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was like a dual villain. I'm
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the bigger one, that's the weaker
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not jacked. Maybe that's my excuse
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the dinner guys are usually stronger,
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So did we get to starting the
tournament yet? Um? Yeah,

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yeah, we could get to the
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best way to describe it. That's
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right now. I didn't even think
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but now all of a sudden,
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sense. I think he's wearing red, he's yellow, he's a bear like

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that had to be an inspiration Loki. Yeah, yeah, he was nuts.

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Obviously, the tournaments they're not going
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match, but this is kind of
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some underwhelming fights like this one Goku
versus the Pooh Bear, and it was

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kind of interesting at first how he
was able to absorb his blows and you're

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thinking, okay, like what's Cocu
gonna do? But I did appreciate the

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strategy he used in terms of literally
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the ring. Yes, you didn't
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because it's just something different, something
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say too. First of all,
Hookie Wokie, thank you so much for

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five hundred bits. He says.
Universe seven is the dream team. Thank

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you. M Yeah, Universe seven
was great. Obviously, it wasn't as

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dreamy as it could have been in
one sense because they got Boo, who

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was literally sleepy, So I guess
that is dreamy. But then you also

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didn't have Gohan. You didn't have
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But that's something else. Yeah,
but oh, just Gohan. We talked

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about, Remember how much like I
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excited we were at the end of
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Gohan's gonna take a step now,
he's gonna take things seriously. And then

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when they say, okay, do
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He's like, no, I have
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fight. And you just thought,
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it's interesting because he he kind of
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and this is fast forwarding a bit, he declines a job because it

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would mean less time with Pan,
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be drifting away a bit from the
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And he also I think he also
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close, like he didn't he felt
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But yeah, whatever, Hopefully we
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besides that moment, he takes a
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don't see him at all. Oh
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that's kind of been clear within the
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main dynamic right now is definitely Goku
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although we'll see who knows, who
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we move forward. M I also
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villain, Yeah, I thought that
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throwback to Dragon Ball, you know, and there was that slime creature and

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the commandment had no effect. Yeah, so it was it was like a

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throwback. And yeah, it makes
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that he couldn't punch it, he
couldn't come am, so you had to

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straight up lift it and throw it
out of the stadium. And I agree

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with you. I think we should
always have an epic classic fight, which

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is just straight up dudes fighting in
a cool manner, but to switch it

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up to keep the other rounds interesting. It's nice to see those outside the

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box strategic approaches to the battles.
And we'll get that with quite a few

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of these matches. Yeah, for
sure. What did you think k kind

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of the first fight? I thought
it was kind of funny. But I

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like that as a little bit of
a warm up fight. Sometimes I don't

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like when it starts off a little
too intensely, if you know what I

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mean. I like a little bit
of suspense and build up and build up

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and build up, And I mean, obviously would be bad if like this

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was the best fight. He turned
super Same Blue, and he turned Super

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Saan Blue Kyo Ken during the fricking
first battle of winning a pub. The

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rest of the contestants just passed out
after he does it. Yeah, thank

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you, Master Leaven That Chad who
says he hopes we're enjoying our dragon Ball

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Super Journey and are you ray?
I am. Like I said, it's

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different from the Z from dragon Ball, but it's different in a unique way

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in that it combines elements of Z
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I like that balance. It's striking
right now. Yeah, I gotta admit

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I'm finding myself Chuck Lang laughing while
I'm watching the episodes. I'm enjoying it.

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I'm enjoying the humorous aspects of it. It's not it's not like when

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I was a kid, and I
probably underappreciated those and I was more into

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the battles. I'm still into the
battles, but I can appreciate the humorous

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moments, the comic relief, if
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back. We also, I mean
that's for me was always missing and dragon

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Balls because like you guys said,
Earlier dragon Ball had the humor, and

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then when Z came around, the
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And then later, now that we're
at Super, they're doing the humor again,

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which I really really appreciate. Yeah, I was checking. Um,

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So this dragon Ball Super has I'm
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I think it has over one hundred
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it's one thirty something. Let me
see here, Yeah, one thirty one,

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and so it's not that long,
like, well, definitely, you

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know, get through it sooner rather
than later. And then I didn't know

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this, but dragon Ball GT,
which will hopefully get a chance to cover

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down the line after we do a
dragon Ball Super Monga as well, is

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only sixty four episodes. I did
not know that. I assume it would

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be longer. So that's also gonna
be we're gonna be able to cruise through

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that and like a month or two, yeah, for sure. So yeah,

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I'm excited for that, and I'm
excited by this whole idea that we've

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kind of created about making our way
through dragon Ball to dragon Ball Z,

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dragon Ball Super, and dragon Ball
GD. Like we've fucking made it a

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long way and where like the end
of the thing, it's not like that

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close, but it's in sight,
so that's exciting. Um the what was

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the other match? Was it right
away? The I'm trying to think,

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oh it was the Ghost Love the
name too, Love that the fact that

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the name is keeping up with that
cooler Freeze. I like the theme King

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Cold Frost that yeah. Yeah.
So Frost as an opponent was interesting because

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at first he appears like a fairly
sweet guy. He goes up to Goku

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and he's like, yeah, let
the best person win and like, I

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respect you as a fighter, and
you're thinking, wow, this is totally

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different from Freezer, and it just
makes you question the different universes, like

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in what ways are the US versus
differences? Like it seems like there's a

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central characteristic with each of the characters
that make it different, makes it makes

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it different, sorry, like the
saying we find out has there's no such

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thing as Super said had never heard
of it, And obviously we learned later

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Vegeta helps him reach that level,
But at first it was weird to see

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this Freeze a character act like a
good person. We find out though he

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has a dark side, but that
fight at first was pretty weird with Goku.

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How all of a sudden he get
Goku. He's like dizzy and then

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he just I'm trying to think if
he gets knocked out or something he falls.

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I think he does get knocked out
when he's already like powerless. Yeah,

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and Yo, Sam, thank you
so much for five gifted subs.

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You're a legend. And yeah.
So he does get knocked out, but

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he only goes super Saying, which
I think we were all thinking, Yo,

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this is horrible because because Goku was
knocked out, he won't be able

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to fight and he won't be able
to go all out. So what were

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you thinking during this ray? Because
I know I was thinking, Yo,

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I don't want Goku not to go
all out. This seems cheap him to

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lose at Super said alone. So
when I saw him getting knocked out,

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firstly, my first impression was maybe
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But because we've seen other people in
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like being able to like freeze people
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so I thought it was some sort
of spell he put Gokun when he

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does fall. In a way,
I had a bit of respect for the

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Raiders, because I thought, you
know what, in past tournaments, besides

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that one near the end of Dragon
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the Boos saga, in past tournaments, it's always Goku going to the finals,

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and you get that trope all the
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gets a little bit orring. So
I thought, you know what, to

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knock him out is actually a kind
of a brave thing to do because someone

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else will have to shine, Like
maybe Vegeta will finally get his chance to

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shine, because I don't think he
ever has. And to be fair,

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I'm always on the same page.
I always want Vegita to shine as max

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as possible, and sometimes I wanted
to surpass Goqui, you know what I

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mean, and then for Goku to
catch up. But yeah, we get

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to see that luckily, and I
enjoyed that too, kid Kai, What

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did you think of frost Um?
It was interesting that um that he was

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of course faking being a good guy. I kind of thought for me,

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originally it was a little bit suspicious. I don't know why. Yeah,

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we should get Ray's opinion about whether
he suspected that as well. Um.

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And then with this Goku fight.
I was just like, like, when

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he beat Goku, I was thinking
to myself, I'm like, this is

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a little bit BS like. But
then then I was like, maybe it's

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the Gida's time to finally shine and
he's just gonna run through the rest of

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the tournament. It is funny though, that he has Dragon Ball fans when

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our main character loses or like it's
bs rather than when our main character pulls

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a win out of his ass,
right, So that is a funny way

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to express it. But yeah,
I think we were all. I think

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they did a good job of misleading
us and playing with our expectations, right,

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I did. Yeah, I did
want to know did you know he

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was going to be a villain?
What did you what did you not know?

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Because I thought, yeah, yeah, I thought, um, the

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sayings were the same story, right, Yeah, My interpretation of the universes

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were, you know, there are
similarities, but there's like a crucial characteristic

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that's different, fundamentally different. So
we see that with the Sands, and

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I thought, maybe the fundamental characteristic
with Frost is that just his morality is

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the complete opposite of Freezes. And
so I thought, okay, this is

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how I think this is kind of
the approach they're going to take with him,

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like the adaptation of Frost compared to
Freezes, that he's like him in

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every way with the transformations whatever,
except he's morally good instead of morally bad.

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So that did throw me for a
loop there because we find out,

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I mean, one thing is that
he's breaking the tournament rules and that he's

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using this weapon. And obviously what
I think is cool about the weapon is

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or funny about the whole thing is
Vegita doesn't even care, like the more

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illegal things the opponent does, the
better for him, because it just it's

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another way he could prove himself.
And I actually I love that about Vegeta's

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worldview and that, yeah, throw
me another obstacle, it'll just prove that.

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I'm like, yeah, the fire
bro exactly. I like that too.

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And you have a situation where people
would even if things were fair or

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just slightly unfair, they'll complain.
I just remember this one time I was

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at a tennis tournament and this guy
I'm not gonna do a say his name

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because I have no idea what his
name was, but after the game,

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enduring the game, he was like, oh man, my wrist hurts so

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much, I can't play. And
you know, it's like, even if

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your wrist hurts, just you know, lose or win, like I'm in,

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you know, accept whatever happens or
take it as a challenge or whatever.

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But yeah, I like that Vegeta. Instead of making excuses, he

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just takes it as another challenge to
show how great he is, another way

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to step up. And I think
I respect those kinds of characters. While

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characters who are always complaining about things
being unfair, you don't have that same

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respect for them. They're not as
spartan like and cool as Vegeta. And

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again the saying spartan dynamic, I
think that's such a reason that I love

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saying because I also love spartans,
and I like the whole idea of that

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kind of manly culture. I guess
you could say manly stoic culture. Yeah,

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and yeah, when Vegina steps into
the ring there, it doesn't take

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long for him to be able to
defeat Frost, so he definitely proves that

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he is one of the greatest fighters
out there. So um, yeah,

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I just I like the type of
character Vegeta's becoming, like he's more of

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a family man, though he does
it in his own unique way. He

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doesn't that right like he does he
keeps the edge edginess, but he also

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has time for funny moments and for
example, we'll get to it, but

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the the pacifier moment, m you
know, he didn't even know what it

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was, right, He's like,
he was just cool and he was sucking

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all that pass. Well, what
he finds out what it is, then

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he's discussed exactly. So I like
that they find a way to poke fun

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and have fun with him. But
you don't think of him as less of

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a man. He's he's still a
bro. He's still cool. No,

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yeah, exactly. But you know
that if he knew at the time what

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the pacifier was for, he would
have loved I mean he did say that,

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right, Yeah for sure. Yeah. So that fight ended fairly quickly

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with Frost when Vegeta steps in.
But then after that we get that other

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fight, which for me was actually
unexpected with the robot because for the most

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part, whenever we get robots,
and especially Dragon Ball, we don't see

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it as much. In Dragon Ball
Z, the robots are not usually the

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biggest threats. Yeah, it's hard
to get excite. I mean you could

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talk about androids right for sure,
as being its own thing, and then

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Seal is technically and android, even
though he has that ability to improve and

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stuff like that. But yeah,
when it's a straight up robotic body,

407
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,000
it would kind of be stupid,
you know, for that to be a

408
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,240
main villain, right because oh,
they can't get better, to have a

409
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,400
limited level, and then Gould just
breaks the robot so exactly, but he

410
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,720
did have an interesting edge that I'm
sure you're going to talk about now.

411
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:26,039
Yeah, so we find out beforehand
that they want to change up the rules

412
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,720
and put that ceiling on the ring, and if characters touch the ceiling,

413
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,200
I believe they get disqualified. So
the point of that was to be able

414
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:40,240
to contain the heat that this particular
robot is able to admit. Yeah,

415
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,119
so then Chopa was cheating, right
like I guess, not technically, but

416
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,599
he was tricking beerists into being like, oh, yeah, this is safer,

417
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,799
blah blah blah blah. And yet
it perfectly goes for that guy's strategy

418
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:59,839
exactly. He changed the rules so
it's advantageous for his fighter because obviously when

419
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:06,519
the it breaks, when um Regina
breaks, that the power isn't to quote

420
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:12,559
Pokemon. I guess super effective should
ray quoting Pokemon. There you go,

421
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,960
I did not see it coming.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

422
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Um what did you think, gid
guy chime in about the robot? Um?

423
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,559
Well, first, I want to
give a shout out to my man

424
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:35,440
Piccolo. We kind of just jumped
over that. Um. I forgot he

425
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,440
went right after Goku. Yeah,
yeah, okay, and you know,

426
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:45,119
he was doing all right, and
but like he got caught with the same

427
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,000
trick Goku did right in the end
after he Like what I really love about

428
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,319
Pickles is he uses his brain when
he fights. He uses his brain.

429
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,039
And he used which we didn't see
really in drying ball z. He used

430
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,279
his Nomechian arms that can stretch right. Yeah, he used the gum gum

431
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:07,279
fruit. He's degree lufy exactly.
So no, I'm glad you brought that

432
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,359
up. That totally slipped my mind. But yeah, that's that's another thing.

433
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Although Piccolo is not a powerhouse by
any stretch of the imagination at this

434
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,720
point, he still maintains that respect. Like I still he still gets my

435
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,519
respect, and that's based on the
way he acts, based on his you

436
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:31,200
know, morals, principal character and
the fact that he doesn't give up.

437
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Obviously, he could have easily Goku
lost. Who am I to challenge this

438
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,359
dude? And yet he did fight, and he fought a good match,

439
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,119
and it would have been a completely
different story if he didn't get poisoned.

440
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,640
Yeah, because I actually thought he
was stronger than Frost. I mean,

441
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,640
he did have the advantage there,
for sure. Frost did fight a battle

442
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,680
already, so he was obviously tired
as well. But Piccolo did have the

443
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,400
advantage before Frost cheated. Is it
mirror? Did his special beam cannon seemed

444
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,199
to take longer than usual charge?
I mean, Ray, what do you

445
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,039
think about this? Because you saw
the special beam cannon? But I think

446
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,559
it makes sense because first of all, he was trying to power up as

447
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:22,679
much as possible, right because it
wouldn't be strong enough otherwise. And second

448
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,199
of all, the other experience we
had with the special beam cannon was way

449
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,719
back in the beginning of Dragon Ball
Z, where it Goku straight up had

450
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,280
to hold rabbits while he powers it
up. Yeah, I'm trying to think

451
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,239
when was the last time Piccolo actually
used Yeah, I think he used it

452
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,159
sometimes fast, you know, But
I don't think that's full power as much

453
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:51,000
as when he takes the time to
really power it up and making a finishing

454
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,039
move for the enemy, because in
my mind I do see him sometimes just

455
00:34:54,199 --> 00:35:00,159
shooting it off quicker. But I
think you could actually power up and create

456
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:06,679
an ultimate finishing move rather than just
like a commandmea kind of thing dragon Ball

457
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:13,039
Virgin talking about shooting it off quicker. Yes, and I'm glad Ray always

458
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:19,800
picks up the inappropriate jokes. I'm
just getting nothing is inappropriate for this podcast.

459
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:25,079
There you go. Yeah, totally
forgot about Piccolo, and I did

460
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,679
like Piccolo was great in the Ark
as well even later on. Yeah,

461
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,960
no, I love that too.
I love that too. Um okay,

462
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:43,519
so back to the robot who wants
to share their thoughts on that fight Vegeta

463
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,480
against the robot. I guess yeah, I mean, like I kind of

464
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:52,880
said, it was, um,
kind of a unique battle in that the

465
00:35:52,960 --> 00:36:00,519
disadvantage was with Vegeta because really anyone
in that situation the heat would get to

466
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:05,159
them. So that was interesting.
But yeah, we find out I think

467
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,400
it's I forget exactly how it breaks. Is it he deflects something and then

468
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:15,480
it breaks like he deflects like an
energy or fire and then um, yeah,

469
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,480
keep trying. Remember I'm trying to
remember because he is it his transformation

470
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,679
into super Sian blue. I'm also
now not I think he the energy.

471
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,679
I don't think he goes blue in
this fight because question now, I don't

472
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:36,800
remember exactly. He won because of
mcgoda's weakness, because he's super sensitive to

473
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,679
insults. Okay, yeah, that's
that's part of it. But how did

474
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,679
he actually was it a ringout?
Yeah, it was a ringoutring Yeah,

475
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:50,000
it was a ring out. Yeah, so he only went super saying you're

476
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,519
saying he might have gone super Siant
too, but he definitely didn't go blue.

477
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,400
Okay, yeah, no, that
was another interesting fight. Obviously,

478
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,079
we didn't have our eyes glued to
the screen as much as we did during

479
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:08,000
the hit fighter. Yeah, exactly. But at the same time, yeah,

480
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,880
it was another unique moment, and
it showed Champa's character how he's willing

481
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,440
to cheat to get the job done. That was also funny. You always

482
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:27,159
associate this is another funny thing about
Dragon Ball. You always associate robots with

483
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:36,639
having no feelings, and yet this
robot species is so sensitive that you insulting

484
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,960
them completely throws them off, which
is something you don't expect. So I

485
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,360
love how Dragon Balls is silly and
plays with connection with conventions. Yeah,

486
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,920
no, it's and it's interesting too
because this is obviously dragon Ball Super was

487
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,360
written way later than dragon Ball and
for the most part in dragon Ball robots

488
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,719
except the android there, but he's
more Frankenstein like than an actual takes on

489
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,559
that robot form. But now that
we're in Super and like we're past twenty

490
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:14,400
ten and tech is so big right
now, it just it complicates that relationship

491
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,800
with technology and humanity and what is
human and what is not human because yeah,

492
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,960
this robot is crying at the end
because of the insult anything man like

493
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,639
robots are just supposed to be emotionalist. There shouldn't be an issue. So

494
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,840
yeah, I mean technology is definitely
a lot different now, Like we see

495
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,360
people with cell phones compared to the
original dragon Ball and things have evolved a

496
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,400
lot more. Yeah, which is
interesting because you know the dragon Ball z

497
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:46,440
ends after this is taken place,
right, so at that point they probably

498
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,480
had less technology than we're going to
see in dragon Ball Super because dragon Ball

499
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Super is playing off our own time
kind of thing. Even though dragon Ball

500
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:59,480
z finished much earlier, So yeah, it's gonna be an interesting thing to

501
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,440
look out as well. Yeah,
but yeah, I'm moving on from unless

502
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,760
someone wanted to comment about that robot
flight. But yeah, the next one

503
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,760
we get Vegeta versus the saying from
the sixth Universe. Yeah, that was

504
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,880
an interesting idea too. He looks
kind of weird to me. I don't

505
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,079
know why they did that, but
I guess kind of to just single amount

506
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,519
and make it look different than the
saying as we know. But yeah,

507
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,719
that dude is super skinny and like
drawn in a different style and everything.

508
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,280
It's not just a different kind of
saying. He just seems like he has

509
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,480
a different drawing style. Even compared
to Trunks and Goten. He looks do

510
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,039
you know, Astro boy. Maybe
it's a reference to that. He kind

511
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:45,559
of looks like him, like that
simple style of animation, because his face

512
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:52,400
is so it's the design is so
simple, right, compared to other sayings,

513
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,679
he actually looks like um Tarbal,
which is Vegeta's brother. If you

514
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,119
guys, don't spoil anything, bro
No, no, no, that that

515
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,079
those those way before super came out. Yeah, but that that isn't anything

516
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,719
We covered it was a special episode. I thought you guys would have gone

517
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,360
over it. I don't know,
do you remember Ray coming across with you

518
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,199
as brother? Um, because we
watched all the episode. I think you

519
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,840
might have loossed over. Maybe it
was special. Yeah, yeah, so

520
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:28,119
don't uh, don't get too much
into that stuff because we stopped around.

521
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:35,400
I think Broley Ray. Do you
remember what movies? Yeah? I think

522
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,199
the Brole movie. So yeah,
don't get too much into that because we

523
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,960
might go back and watch that's we
saw all the specials though, thinking back

524
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,079
to it, like the Trunks one. Um, I thought we covered the

525
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,519
specials. Yeah, we did cover
some specials, but clearly we didn't cover

526
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,159
this one. But anyways, Yeah, carrying on with with this dude who

527
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:59,960
apparently looks like would you I didn't
even know this. I gotta admit,

528
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,519
no idea. Yeah, you can
send me a link to that later,

529
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,039
good guy, I'll send you a
photo right now. No, you don't

530
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,880
need to do it now, Like
I said, send me a link to

531
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,119
the actual episode special, But onto
this fight. Yeah, I do want

532
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:21,880
to say I'd like the vegeta dynamic
with him because, as a saying,

533
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,760
he gets attached to him and he
wants to take him under his wing,

534
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,360
and so we see that and how
he treats him and how he acts merciless

535
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440
to awaken his own super Saian Like, it's crazy to me to think,

536
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,480
and we'll see how much they develop
now that they know there are more powers

537
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,599
and transformations. But it's crazy to
think that this planet or this universe doesn't

538
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:50,519
even have Supersaians and we're already at
Supersaian Wance or two. There's in threes

539
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:55,159
ors in God super Sian Blue,
So it's crazy to think how behind they

540
00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:00,079
are in terms of martial arts.
And it's funny because Kabba actually made a

541
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,480
comment earlier where he thought maybe that
they were the weaker ones after what happened

542
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,599
too. I think it was after
Goku loss to Frost. He made a

543
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,199
bit of a comment where he stated, like, oh, maybe they're not

544
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,679
not as warriors like us or something. Yeah, bro, he was super

545
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,280
saying like not even mess up.
But yeah, obviously he didn't know what

546
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:27,360
to expect since obviously it didn't look
impressive what Frost did, no, of

547
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,159
course, Yeah, these sayings as
well, they're very different from the saints

548
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:39,119
we're used to from Universe seven.
I guess. So these ones are from

549
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,800
what I understand, it sounds like
they keep the universe safe. They're like,

550
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,679
I don't know whether you want to
say, like peacekeepers or like kind

551
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,079
of they patrol the universe and make
sure that like people are following rules,

552
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:59,719
whereas the Saints were used to we're
going around to different planets and taking them

553
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,760
all or killing people. So when
it comes to just the perception of Sans,

554
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,119
they're very different than the two different
universes. Yeah, and Kaba was

555
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,679
horrified by that other version of sayings
that they do all those horrible things.

556
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,119
Yeah. They also don't have tales
the universe six. Yes, and if

557
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:30,840
I remember correctly, they were on
this planet pre a Geeta planet. Yeah,

558
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,800
that wasn't destroyed in their case.
You know what's interesting as well,

559
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,559
speaking of the tales, the tales
have not been a thing like with Goten

560
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:45,400
now pan have we haven't seen the
tails anymore? No? No, and

561
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:50,320
that was phased out. That's I
think just he decided not to draw tales

562
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,400
anywhere. I'm pretty sure that's how
deep that goes. I don't know.

563
00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:00,320
There might be a super in depth
explanation somewhere online, but yeah, obviously

564
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,199
pan doesn't have one, right,
never did, But I do want it

565
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
to point out again how I like
to talk about the Spartan saying parallels.

566
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:17,039
Uh Kabba's uniform is even more in
that style than the usual saying uniform.

567
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Right, he has that old school
classic clothing kind of thing. Yeah,

568
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,599
no, I agree. Yeah,
But that fight was interesting because I mean,

569
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,440
right from the start, I thought
it was no doubt Vegeta was gonna

570
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,159
win. But I just like how
it was more of this psychological battle,

571
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,480
like he's trying to rev this guy
up to be able to I don't even

572
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,320
know if it's you know, he
wants a good fight out of him,

573
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,920
because I think Vegeta knows he wants
him to be a man in this sense.

574
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,960
He wants that growth, showing the
pride of being a saying. That's

575
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,920
probably the better way to say it. He wants to show that pride of

576
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:06,320
being a saying. And when he
cowers or something, but Gina gets fissed

577
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,719
off because he's like, Yo,
that's not a saying, bro. So

578
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:13,639
that's that's where he's coming from.
And he says at one point he'll murder

579
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:19,039
um like his siblings and family or
something, and I'm like, I thought

580
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,679
to myself in that moment, Man, this is what he says to this

581
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,599
guy to get him stronger and to
get him motivated. Yeah, that's good.

582
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,360
It's like it's like Trunks, I
will murder your mother and your grandparents

583
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:37,559
and everyone. You will never get
a woman in your life. So that's

584
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:43,320
so that's so interesting that. Yeah, he does take all that different kind

585
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,639
of relationship with Cobba than he does
with Trunks. Definitely. Yeah, but

586
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,320
it was cool to see him super
saying. And again, remember way back

587
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,800
then in Dragon Ball Z when they
said the super Siyan form is something we

588
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,079
don't see in what is it more
than a thousand years or something, And

589
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,480
now it's all the time, And
now people in other universes just by getting

590
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:10,199
angry can become a super sand Sands
over there. So yeah, it's it's

591
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,079
almost if you're not a super Sian, you know it's possible. You get

592
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,400
a bunch of people doing it,
right. So that's a general rule.

593
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,199
And as soon as Goko reaches a
certain level, you know, Vegeta is

594
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:32,639
probably not far behind. I think
even Vegeta in canon earlier made a comment

595
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,760
about now like how everybody's a Sand. I think he was like training with

596
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,679
Trunks and one of Boma's machines,
the Gray Room. Yeah, and then

597
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,119
like he's like going hardcore, hardcore
hardcore, and like Trunks is struggling,

598
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:51,440
and then he just goes like Super
Sand out of nowhere. And then Vegeta

599
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:55,960
looks at him and he's like,
when was the Super Sand reduced to a

600
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,800
mere child's like playthings or something along
those lines. He said, yeah,

601
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:07,159
I remember that. Yeah, No, I mean there's definitely interesting interesting moments

602
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,760
there. Uh, what else do
we have to cover? So we had,

603
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,840
we had the fight. Then when
did Mageta lose? I'm trying to

604
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:25,239
remember, yeah, h h yeah, he gets hit. Which this guy,

605
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,079
when I first looked at him,
he looked kind of like a spinoff

606
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:36,360
of UM. Remember the guy we
saw in the Freezer arc within Dragon Ball

607
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,199
Super the new guy who took the
place of um kind of gain you remember

608
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,000
again you ended up switching boys with
him. He kind of gave me a

609
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,679
vibe of looking like that guy.
So I thought he was gonna be like

610
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,400
a spinoff of that guy. That
turns out this guy is in a completely

611
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,039
different category himself. I did not
expect he'd be the most um like dangerous

612
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,480
head of all of those fighters.
Yeah, he looked cool like he definitely

613
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,440
had that going and both I remember
me and kid Guy loving his aesthetics.

614
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,400
But yeah, it's I think Kid
Guy about us said this, but someone

615
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,320
mentioned that he pretty much had a
power like Gouldough. Yeah, and then

616
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,760
and then you kind of have him
just stepping it up. Yeah. No,

617
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,960
that's totally true because remember when that
guy used the power and he thought,

618
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,400
if only he was an actual good
fighter and in shape, he'd be

619
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,320
probably one of the most dangerous villains
you've ever seen. If he could stop

620
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,679
time, no, exactly if he
wasn't think just like, I'm pretty sure

621
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,440
he can stop it longer than Hit
could jump forward. Yeah exactly. So

622
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,880
Hits just like has super speed and
already right, but this guy was just

623
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,760
he could he could stop time for
like even if he could, which I'm

624
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,400
not saying he could, but even
if you could stop time for Yeah,

625
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,800
he could definitely because it was as
long as he held his breath, right,

626
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,079
so that that's way more than parts
of a second like Hit was doing.

627
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,039
So yeah, definitely he could.
He could definitely do it more.

628
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:15,519
It's just the dudes running slower than
Krillin and and Hits moving faster than Goku.

629
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,679
So yeah, you have that kind
of stuff going on. Something I

630
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,199
did really like about Hit, and
I'm trying to think if we've ever got

631
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,679
this with another villain except maybe Vegeta, but it's never a factor in his

632
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,440
fight with Goku. Is here's a
guy who can get more powerful as he

633
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,920
fights, Like he's got that saying
asque quality to him, where like he's

634
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,719
able to grow and get better as
the fight. It was like a re

635
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:46,880
untapped potential. Yeah. Yeah,
it was like Freeze a thing all over

636
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,679
again, right, Golden Freeze on
stuff like that, because you have a

637
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,280
situation where we're so used to our
guys doing that in a battle, and

638
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,639
now two arcs in a row,
they're giving us bad ass bad guys who

639
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:07,000
are doing it better than our own
guys. And Hit even more than Golden

640
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:12,320
Freezer, because Golden Freezer was,
you know, he took four months to

641
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,880
attain that crazy form, but during
the battle itself, he wasn't progressing that

642
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:22,840
much. But Hit during the battle
itself those mere seconds minutes, he's rapidly

643
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:30,519
improving. Yeah, yeah, no, that was really cool. That was

644
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,400
very unique with him because in terms
of what it's tough to say as a

645
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,960
fighter, like, say he didn't
have that ability, would he have been

646
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:44,000
any sort of threat as a fighter, Like he improved in terms of being

647
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,559
able to well, I think we
have to admit that he would lose as

648
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,639
a fighter without that ability, But
I mean it's it's an ability that he's

649
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:59,480
learned to work with because since it
was, Goku was doing very well even

650
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,719
when Hit was using the ability,
just not as well as he later develops

651
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,400
it. So I think we can
assume that he'd still be a great fighter,

652
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,559
but there's no way he'd be on
Goku's level without that times capability.

653
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:20,719
Yeah, which which makes it interesting
because you know, we have everybody using

654
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,599
their own specific talents. Obviously he
can't go Super Sian, right, so

655
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,159
it makes sense that he'd have his
own thing. And at the same time,

656
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,840
I like the fact that we got
Actually I want to know what Ray

657
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:39,440
thought of the fact that ko Ken
was brought back, Yeah, because I

658
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,559
think did we not talk about that? We must have talked about us.

659
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,880
We did, He definitely did,
Like why does he use it with Super

660
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,639
s Yeah? Why doesn't he use
it? Because that was the big thing.

661
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,400
Um, I'm trying to think back
now that was in the Vegeta ARC

662
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,760
or the Freezer Arc. He used
that the Vegeta ARC or Freezer ARC,

663
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,920
so he definitely used it. And
yeah, he used it for Freeza too,

664
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,119
Yeah he did before the Super.
Yeah, the first time he used

665
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:12,079
it with Vegeta. Yeah, I
always thought why not the Kao Ken with

666
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,639
the Super Sian because we learned obviously
before with the Kao Ken you can only

667
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:23,079
do it in small spurts, but
he's able to move quicker and just overall.

668
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,639
Yeah, and this is what Kaden
the chat said before and I still

669
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,800
remember it that she likes the fan
service and Dragon Ball Super and how he

670
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,800
gives the fans what they've been dreaming
about. And this is one of those

671
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,960
instances where everybody wanted to see obviously
new forms, but also Kyle can get

672
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,280
brought back so you could like multiply
these other forms. And I gotta admit

673
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,559
I was so hyped up back when
I watched Out the first time, and

674
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,199
even this time with the music near
the end of the episode, you guys

675
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,599
know which one I'm talking about,
where the fight absolutely climax, where the

676
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,800
music was playing and every think was
so exciting and they were fighting and the

677
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,639
animation was great. Oh man,
that's that's why I love Dragon Ball Z

678
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:12,280
and Dragon Ball and like for moments
like that, like when you just have

679
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:16,679
such hypeness, such an epic battle, like a new ability just unlocked.

680
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:22,800
And the interesting thing they did was
they still gave Hit the win despite the

681
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,960
fact that Goku did maybe you don't
want to call a new form, but

682
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,159
did something new form esque that he
never did before, and yet it was

683
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:37,920
still not good enough to beat Hit. Yeah, because does Goku really care

684
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,119
about winning the tournament at this point. It's not like when he was younger,

685
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,440
Like he just wants a really good
fight to be able to push himself.

686
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,840
And when he saw that the fight, like when he saw the two

687
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,559
win, right, he wants to
win. He wants to be the best

688
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,960
wants I know it sounds kind of
weird, but I think he cares about

689
00:53:55,039 --> 00:54:00,360
being a stronger fighter. Yeah,
But at the same time, he knew

690
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,760
he was beat, so what's he
gonna do? And that's going to motivate

691
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,960
him to train more because he really
wants to be the best. Do you

692
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,480
think it's because he knew he was
beat Yeah, definitely, because wasn't it.

693
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,000
He was looking at the two of
them fighting about like the rules and

694
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:16,679
everything, and he just thought,
all right, like this is not the

695
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,880
best environment for a conducive fight.
Wise, well, just there was some

696
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,480
philosophy moments. But why why I'm
saying is he pretty much knew he was

697
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,880
gonna lose. Was as soon as
you know he did that, like his

698
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,119
whole body started attacking him, right, You noticed those like muscle cracking noises

699
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,320
and stuff like that, Like he
was pretty much But you're right, there

700
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:44,599
was a philosophical dimension where we're not
their pawns, so let's not do this

701
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,840
anymore. But at the same time, it made pretty clear after he went

702
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,760
back to base form that he was
in no shape to fight. Yeah,

703
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:59,840
even even after taking it after the
battle, he was in no shape of

704
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:04,199
fight like way after and he had
to recover by not doing anything. So

705
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,360
it wasn't just immediately after, It
was the whole time. But you're right,

706
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:12,639
I did gloss over that important part
where pretty much the God's destruction,

707
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,760
we're treating them as pawns, their
playthings, and Goku is like, yo

708
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,400
hit, you know what, let's
not play their game. We'll fight in

709
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,960
better circumstances with no rules. Yeah, for sure, I didn't respect Goku,

710
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,519
bro, do you remember? And
obviously here is to your point that

711
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,320
he doesn't want to just win.
He wants to win in the fairest way,

712
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,559
and so he pretty much had Hit
being able to use all of his

713
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:43,199
deadly abilities even though he could risk
his life, because he wanted him to

714
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,320
go all out and not for Goku
to win in a cheap way. So

715
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,679
that's why you gotta love Goku over
characters like Shampa who are like whatever it

716
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,760
takes. Oh yeah, yeah,
And we get so many characters that have

717
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:02,760
that other philosophy of taking shortcuts and
uh trying to like yeah, even Krellan

718
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:09,360
back in dragon Ball what you wrote
the sign on the rocky remember and just

719
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,039
trying to take shortcuts? Was this
what the training arc? Yeah? Yeah,

720
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,599
well back in dragon Ball, Yeah, when they were chasing Roshi's thing.

721
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,519
Yeah, and Hit is like Goku
in the sense that when Shampa is

722
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:27,880
telling him you'll finish him off,
this is your chance, he doesn't do

723
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:32,559
it. He actually respects Goku and
he stands up to a god of destruction.

724
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:39,719
So it's cool to see characters willing
to do that, right, Yeah,

725
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,960
they have their code, they live
by it. You could destroy them,

726
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,039
you could kill them, but they're
not gonna be your pawns. And

727
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,360
yeah, I think that it's always
really inspiring to see characters like that.

728
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:58,239
Yeah. So, yeah, the
tournament ends in a bit of anti climactic

729
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,480
way in the way that he walks
out of the stadium. But I thought

730
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:07,440
overall it was definitely a really cool
tournament. Probably, like kid Kay said,

731
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,679
your favorite arc within Dragon Ball Super, I'm trying to think back to

732
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,639
the tournaments from Z and it's probably
it was probably my favorite UM tournament within

733
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:27,760
Z and Super. WHOA tying to
think to Z that's crazy, there wasn't.

734
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,000
Well, I mean it depends what
you count a tournament as well,

735
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:36,320
because there's so many tournament. Dragon
Ball Z is best known in my mind

736
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,800
as the series with a bunch of
tournaments that stop being tournaments. Yeah,

737
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:45,480
you had the cell stuff, which
it's not really a tournament, it's just

738
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:51,199
sell fighting whoever wants to fight it
CEA. Yeah, yeah, and then

739
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:58,840
you have the Boo Saga tournament where
they just leave to fight Boo or to

740
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:04,280
stop Boo from being released, and
so that tournament. Obviously, all I

741
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,960
remember specifically from that tournament is be
Dell getting the ship beat out of here.

742
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,079
Yeah, so that's kind of because
that was such a shocking moment,

743
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,679
right that it sticks with you.
But there wasn't much else that happened in

744
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,719
that tournament before I was interrupted?
Was there not another tournament before the cell

745
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:32,079
saga? Trying to think they don't
recall because I feel like we went saying,

746
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:40,320
then we went Namic, then we
went Androids, So yeah, you

747
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,760
were Namic skip Freezers. Yeah,
Freeze is on Namic, right, Yeah,

748
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,480
after Freezing we had sell Yeah,
like we then again, we don't

749
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,480
really get Yeah, like you said, any crazy tournaments in Z. So

750
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:58,039
maybe it's not a crazy hype statement. It's not like I said, this

751
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:00,880
is the greatest tournament at all of
drag. Yeah yeah, but no,

752
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:06,599
I get what you mean. It's
still hype to me because just saying anything

753
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,320
is better than dragon Ball Z is
cool because you know, people would usually

754
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,159
put dragon Ball Z above dragon Ball
Super. So for people like dragon Ball

755
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:22,119
Super, any anything that someone says
maybe they did better is cool signed because

756
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,199
it's showing that dragon Ball is still
going strong, even if it's not like

757
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:31,719
peak, but that's questionable because I
think the high moments do go really well,

758
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:37,519
but then obviously there are moments that
are less good, less intense,

759
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,440
but overall, definitely I'm enjoying it
too. And you know, we wouldn't

760
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,199
have if you think without dragon Ball
Super, we wouldn't have Hit. We

761
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:45,559
don't have Golden Freeze, that,
we don't have Beers, we don't have

762
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:52,360
all these new transformations, you know, Like it's crazy to think of dragon

763
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,920
Ball universe without that now, So
I think that dragon Ball Super is still

764
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,039
a staple and you can't just ignore
it if you want to, if you're

765
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:05,639
a real dragon Ball fan. Yeah, I'm starting to get that five as

766
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:09,400
well. There's there's some great characters
that have come out in just these first

767
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,079
number of episodes. I guess we're
more than forty episodes in, but there

768
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,400
there's a unique universe building here,
um that you can't just dismiss it.

769
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,440
I think there's some good stuff here. Yeah, um, we get that

770
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:28,679
as well. That Hercule moment kind
of at the end, where up,

771
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,760
I'm glad that they not just Hercule
yet because I actually prefer Monica because Hercule

772
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,639
is getting kind of old. And
although I love Hercule and he could be

773
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:45,599
that on Earth. I don't want
him to just sit and Monaca doesn't want

774
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:50,039
this to happen too. He's not
It's not like Hercule. Well, he's

775
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,599
looking for the fame. He loves. People think he's the strongest. Like

776
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:59,840
Monaca just got thrown into this as
a pat as this actor an Amazon deliver

777
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,559
person. Yeah, yeah, you
just take them and you're like, all

778
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,960
right, death battle, let's go. You're going with me, just trying

779
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:15,519
to deliver some packages. Man,
such a hilarious concept. Yeah, sorry,

780
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,559
kid, kyree gonna say something.
No, no, no, no.

781
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,440
I was gonna be like, it's
kind of funny because he was a

782
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,920
delivery guy, so I also got
the Amazon vibes. Yeah, but I

783
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:29,199
like that Hit let him win.
It was sort of like a he has

784
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,280
like a lot of honor and respect
for Goku. Yeah, that was a

785
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:38,840
lot of honor, but at the
same time it was also Hit was gonna

786
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:44,960
win, I feel like obviously.
So it's interesting that even though I think

787
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,679
both of them could sense that Hit
what have won? Hit still decided since

788
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,800
Goku threw himself out, he'll throw
himself out too and tell they meet again.

789
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,960
I saw it also as a fuck
you to Chompo, like, hey,

790
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:58,760
yeah, it was we're looking at
me as a pawn. We guess

791
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,360
think about like, yo, fuck
either got a destruction, like, holy

792
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:07,719
shit, that's why I hit such
a badass. And we didn't even mention

793
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,880
it. But he just went to
take care of Frost in a second right

794
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,719
in the middle of the tournament.
That was so sick. He's like,

795
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,960
yeah, you step away from that
because I'm gonna win that. So yeah,

796
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:21,159
I'm gonna take you out in a
second. And I really like,

797
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:22,920
we didn't talk about it that much, but I really liked the animation and

798
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:29,360
the way they showed his powers where
you just see those kind of spots of

799
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,239
light on the opponents suddenly, and
then later we learned it's because like he

800
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:38,079
punched them that many times so quickly
that when time resumes, it's just showing

801
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:43,480
all of that damage at once.
I thought that the animation really shined when

802
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,559
it came to showing hit powers.
Yeah. No, overall it was pretty

803
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,480
cool. The esthetics of a lot
of the fights were cool. Seeing super

804
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:57,199
Same Blue was awesome to see.
So yeah, I think I enjoyed the

805
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:04,519
tournament as a whole. You mentioned
as well that Grand Zeno character making the

806
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:08,719
appearance. What did you think of
Grand Zeno? What I thought was hilarious

807
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:14,840
about the whole thing because obviously there's
this intimidation factor that Goku cannot see.

808
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:21,360
Like Goku throughout his whole life,
he's never looked at like fame or prestige

809
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,079
or honor as anything except honor through
maybe like fighting, as anything he needs

810
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:30,679
to respect. Like he could just
look at you as like another you know,

811
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:35,840
living creature. So he just sticks
out his arm and shakes his hand

812
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:42,320
and doesn't like the god of Destruction
are like quaking in their boots, whereas

813
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,800
Goku just breaks all convention. He's
like, yeah, like nice to meet

814
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:52,000
you, and you know, asks
him about I forget exactly what he asked

815
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,719
him, but he just he breaks
the conventions with him compared to the other

816
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,679
God's destruction. So I love that. The guy kind of reminded me of,

817
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:05,000
um, oh my goodness, who's
uh the dude who is Ten's friend

818
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:10,000
child child Su? Yeah, like
this little guy, Who're like how is

819
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:15,639
this person? And waste exactly?
But I'm talking about wait, like when

820
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,519
we first met child Su and you're
like, you know, who is this

821
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,960
guy's He's no one just buy what
he looks like. That's why you mentioned

822
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,559
before. Can Manaka be a character
who could be the strongest in the universe,

823
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:31,639
possibly because you see everyone's scared of
brand Zeno and it looks like he

824
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:38,400
has greater potential compared to the Gods
of destructions. So yeah, I mean,

825
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,320
I don't know what to think of, Like, he just showed up

826
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,719
then, and um, maybe he
makes an appearance later on. But yeah,

827
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,679
it's very much. It's very much
Toriam. I feel like to make

828
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:58,519
strong characters innocent and childlike. Yeah, or maybe not innocent is not the

829
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:03,360
right word, because obviously they can
erase planets and stuff, but not mature.

830
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:10,920
Yeah Boo, Yeah exactly, kid
Boo. The kid is obviously stronger

831
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,559
than fat Boo, but not stronger
than super Gohan absorbed Boo. But yeah,

832
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:19,239
I mean gohan sure, Yeah,
that's a better term for it.

833
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:26,760
No, it's interesting, and again
I think the fact that it goes to

834
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,480
simplicity. He seems to be this
very simple design for him, and you

835
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:36,280
might love it, you might hate
it, but it's a very zend design.

836
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:42,360
It's like a minimalistic design, and
it makes sense since he has so

837
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,719
much power that they'd go that direction. Obviously, you never know what direction

838
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,039
are gonna go, but you know
Toriyama is not gonna make him like jacked

839
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:54,719
giants, because the more powerfully are
sometimes the less obvious it is in your

840
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,639
appearance. Yeah. Yeah, so
I mean that was interesting. I don't

841
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:04,800
know. I didn't want to say. I really like the way Goku interacted

842
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:13,079
what Zeno because you had Goku caring
less with Beera's thought than Mageta. But

843
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,559
now even Beers is playing Vegeta's role
old role, whereas like, Yo,

844
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,880
don't do that, They're out of
destruction, and Beers is like, yoh,

845
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,880
they'll do that to zen Oh,
you have no idea what you're doing.

846
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:27,840
Show some respect. And Goku was
like, hey, buddy, let's

847
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,480
hand, let's shake hands, and
he just lifts his whole body as they

848
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,599
shake hands, and everyone was like, holy shit, are we just all

849
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:39,559
gonna cease to exist right now?
And then he's like, oh, you

850
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:43,760
go, you're funny. I like
funny people. Yeah, no, he's

851
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:49,639
he's done that like before in terms
of um again when he he just sees

852
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:54,440
the world in such a different way, like thinking back to when Hercule gave

853
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:58,039
him all that money, and he
wasn't thinking of it as oh, yeah,

854
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,920
I'm rich, like I'm I'll be
fine for the rest of my life.

855
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,960
He thought, oh, this will
allow me to be able to train.

856
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:06,559
Like he just thinks things in a
totally different way and doesn't understand conventions

857
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:11,880
or the way other people see the
way society should be working, like,

858
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,960
particularly with these gods. So I
do respect that out of him. I

859
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:19,199
respect it, and it makes him
likable because he's not going to treat someone

860
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:25,920
different depending on their power their status, while you do have those characters who

861
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:30,880
if someone is a special status or
super strong, they'll tipto around them.

862
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,840
So yeah, it's it's a thing
that has nothing to do with strength physical

863
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,320
strength, but it has to do
with strength of character. And so I

864
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:44,760
really appreciate that. Obviously he's also
just naive, but it is likable.

865
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,639
Yeah, No, I mean I
respect them. There's a lot of philosophies

866
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,320
out there, like I'm even thinking
of like Christianity, where it's the idea

867
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,960
of like the more you see things
as a child, not acting child light,

868
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:02,920
but the way you see through sea
pass like ideology that's built into you

869
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,079
as you grow up, like,
the more just you'll be, like,

870
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,920
the more of a virtuous person you'll
be. So I do like how Goku

871
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:16,039
is able to see pass class,
see pass you know, certain divisions titles,

872
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:19,800
and just like, hey, like
just talk to you like you're a

873
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:24,119
person like anyone else, even though
I guess this isn't really a person,

874
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:30,560
but for sure. And then we
have also to cover this is filler mostly

875
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,840
the like the purple vegeta stuff.
Yeah. Um, so it's not in

876
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,520
the Dragon Ball Super manga, is
what I'm saying. So obviously it's in

877
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,680
the anime as we saw, but
there's a Dragon Ball Super manga, which

878
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,119
is kind of weird because I should
tell you this. It's not like the

879
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:50,319
other one, like with Dragon Ball
Z, where the manga came way before

880
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:57,159
the anime. In this case,
the manga Kid Gay you could vouch for

881
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,600
this too. It's it was behind
at some point the anime as well.

882
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Yeah, I actually think it started
off a little bit ahead, but the

883
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:10,399
anime eventually just surpassed it. And
like you said, this is like one

884
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,720
of the few cases where I know
where the anime was like actually way ahead

885
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,880
of where the manga was. But
then the Monga eventually caught up because the

886
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:23,119
anime hasn't been going on for so
long now, which is crazy. But

887
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,720
we did have and I didn't actually
watch the videos, but a bunch of

888
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,920
videos popped up in my feed saying
that there will be another Dragon Ball Super

889
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:35,479
movie coming out. So that's super
exciting. Can't wait to see that.

890
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,159
Kick guy, did you watch those
videos? Do you know what's what's going

891
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:45,239
to be about? Or we don't
know yet. I heard it's supposed to

892
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:50,319
be something regarding well, yeah,
I don't want to spoil it is Ray

893
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,439
at that point. Have you guys
saw the final movie? Yeah, I

894
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,000
guess. I guess we shouldn't,
yeah, because it will probably No,

895
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:00,279
yeah, it'll probably ruin Ray,
but we'll talk about it later off off

896
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,039
camera. All right, cool,
So yeah, let's talk about that.

897
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:11,359
The babysitting thing is next, right, the babysitting. We also get how

898
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,119
Goku wants to spar with Manaka,
and I love how at this stage of

899
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:20,960
the game, the God of Destruction
Burris is catering to the humans like they're

900
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,399
like, you better dress up in
that costume or you know, we know

901
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,720
that you know, the whole thing
with Manaka is just this scam that you're

902
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,880
trying to get to Goku to get
him to um, you know, challenge

903
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,000
himself more. And if you were
to reveal to him that Manaka is actually

904
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:45,039
just this weakling, it may change
the game for Goku. So now Beris

905
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,920
is actually followed the directions of the
human, whereas just the beginning of this

906
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:57,560
series you had everyone just cowering to
yeah, you have to follow, and

907
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,000
now he's just like the humans are
dictating the god of destruction exactly. So

908
01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:05,159
it's funny because it's the same idea
as with Vegeta. Right, you still

909
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:10,439
respect Beers as the god of destruction, but you're starting to get more familiar

910
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,960
with him, and he's starting to
do things that are peer pretty silly.

911
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:17,920
Right, even he says, I
can't think of a single God destruction that

912
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:23,000
exposed himself to this kind of humiliated
behavior, So it's funny, But he

913
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,600
still doesn't because he doesn't want,
you know, to ruin Goku's motivation and

914
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,000
his own reputation. So it's it's
hilarious to watch. I really enjoyed that

915
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:39,479
whole thing. I liked how the
suit kept on getting destroyed and Goku just

916
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,560
did not notice anything. Finally,
when everyone thought it was all over and

917
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,840
he saw the other Monaca, He's
like, wow, you could even like

918
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:54,279
create a doppelganger kind of thing.
You could even create Yeah, So it's

919
01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:59,079
so funny. It's so funny how
and I feel bad for your object due

920
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:02,279
just the fears and ruined something.
But luckily Goku is too unnaive to know

921
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:09,439
what's going on, and Piccolo and
Vegeta are trying to shield Burris when his

922
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:17,560
costume rips, so then Goku doesn't
notice, like how oh god with the

923
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:24,239
whole act when Gino was like,
oh no, he's taking over my body

924
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:31,079
exactly, Bro, I actually found
that hilarious. It's because I love these

925
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:35,840
characters, so seeing them in these, even if they're not the most intense

926
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:42,199
situations, even if they're humorous situations, I really enjoyed. Because these these

927
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:45,359
characters are like friends. Now you've
known them for so many years, you

928
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:50,640
love seeing them interact. It's just
crazy to think, like Piccolo and Vegeta

929
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:57,520
literally killed tons of people and now
they're to the stage where they're like in

930
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,079
this silly situation. It's funny how
they've evolved over time exactly, and I

931
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:03,359
do want to say, I don't
know exactly where it was placed, but

932
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,039
Ultimate Cell brings it up into chat, which we alluded to earlier, but

933
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:14,079
we didn't really focus on. So
Goku appearing in Boma's bedroom when she's naked,

934
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,920
Yes, we might have talked about
this before the podcast started, but

935
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:24,119
yeah, so you pretty much had
Goku appear Boma in a towel. He

936
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,399
sees her sort of naked, and
then Vegetas like, Yo, what the

937
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,159
fuck are you doing, Kacarat And
he's like, don't worry, man,

938
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:36,159
like I don't want to see those
saggy breasts that anyway, and then Magidas

939
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:40,760
like, how could you say that? So it's so funny how Goku is

940
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,520
here on the planet Earth so much
longer than Vegeta, and yet Vegeta's already

941
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,840
picked up like all of the human
stuff and has a better understanding of it

942
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:57,359
than even Goku has. Because Vegeta, I don't know if it's revealed yet,

943
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,119
so I won't say it, But
Vegina does all these things that you

944
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,960
know you expect from humans, from
for a man to do for his wife

945
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:10,399
or for them to do it together, while Goku is completely unaware of everything

946
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:15,079
except obviously sex, because that he
does have kids. Yeah, and it's

947
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:20,800
just so it's another hit to Vegeta's
ego, because another hit, another hit

948
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:26,439
there, because not only does he
think Goku is stronger than him. I

949
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,119
mean, at this point he even
says with the ko Ken, He's like,

950
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,720
oh, he's surpassed me again,
but now he basically says, I

951
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:38,039
wouldn't even want to be with your
woman or see your woman naked if I

952
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:42,159
had the chance. Like, that's
just another hit to the Vegeta ego,

953
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:46,399
I know. And it's not like
cheat, you would not be getting older

954
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,079
either, But is just so innocent
that he's he's just stating the obvious.

955
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:54,680
He's like, why would I want
to see your saggy breasts? I don't,

956
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,680
I don't care, Like, what
are you talk about? That's so

957
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,119
funny. It's the second time they
made fun of her breast. No,

958
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,479
yeah, I don't even think it's
second. Man. Honestly, throughout Dragon

959
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,680
Ball Super, I feel like at
least three or four times they've already talked

960
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,880
about her sagging breasts. Well,
I mean for this part that we watched

961
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:17,520
what was it like twenty something episodes. First it was the big headed guy

962
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:23,920
that was floating when they were looking
for the Dragon Ball super Balls, and

963
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,479
then he said something like her her
breast used to be an eighty eight,

964
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,479
but now they're oh, yeah,
she's which is normal for a Earth woman

965
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,960
to start sagging or something at that
age or something like that. Yeah,

966
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:43,359
that was his name is Zuno?
Right? Yeah? I think so?

967
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,159
Yeah, um no, that was
hilarious. And what did I also want

968
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:51,319
to say? There was that moment
guys if you remember that we've kind of

969
01:15:51,399 --> 01:15:59,560
glossed over, skipped over where Goku
is communicating with sort of the leader of

970
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,880
the entire or universe, and he
grabs him by what he thinks is his

971
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:10,720
hand, but it's actually like suggest
so that it's like his reproductive oregan or

972
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,680
something like that. Do you guys
remember that, because it's not taking his

973
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,840
hand, he's like, bro,
that's a very sensitive organ. That was

974
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:27,079
a dub the subgreen specific that's so
funny, right yeah yeah, like the

975
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:32,479
green green dude with tentacles. But
uh yeah, So back to obviously,

976
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,239
guys, chime in whenever if you
if I skip over anything, But I

977
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:41,840
also wanted to just reiterate how much
I enjoyed the pan stuff. There was

978
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,319
a comment in here. I'm sorry
I don't remember who said it, but

979
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,800
I wanted to wait till we get
to this moment, and it was that

980
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:53,279
Pickle is a better dad and grandpa
than Goku. And in some ways,

981
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:57,199
yeah, he is, because he
watches over a Pan so much he knows

982
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,760
everything about her. If he was
in charge, he would have never let

983
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,880
her out of his sight to get
lost like Gok when the rest of them

984
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,560
did, they just fell asleep.
So yeah, what did you guys think

985
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,319
of that part? Obviously, I
think Piccolo is probably the MVP of those

986
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,359
of those UM episodes. I thought
it was yeah, pretty wholesome. I

987
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:21,159
think the only thing that ruined it
was seeing my favorite character once again make

988
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:27,479
an appearance, Pelf. Yeah.
So if you don't get the sarcasm,

989
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,079
kid guy, he doesn't like Pelf? Oh okay, I just he's such

990
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,600
an irrelevant character at this point.
I didn't like him in Dragon Ball either.

991
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,359
Yeah, he's comedic relief. Yeah, he just keeps coming in and

992
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,800
I'm like, all right, just
get rid of this guy already. Yeah.

993
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,760
I was actually also surprised when I
saw it originally a few years ago,

994
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,079
when they brought him back. I'm
like, I was like wondering how

995
01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:51,319
they were going to make him relevant
because he's so weak at this point,

996
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:56,159
but you know, I kind of
warmed up to him, so it wasn't

997
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:59,239
too bad. Yeah, I guess, like you said, comedic relief,

998
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:01,760
So we've been getting a lot of
comedic relief with her cuel, and I

999
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,079
guess they just wanted to take a
break from just making her Cuele the brunt

1000
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:11,359
of all the jokes now, so
options, right, It gives them more

1001
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,479
options, and these kind of storylines
wouldn't make sense with her cuel, right,

1002
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,159
with Pan going into their spaceship and
then taking off, you know,

1003
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:26,319
that wouldn't really make sense with certain
characters, so they're a nice way for

1004
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,319
them to throw in some unlikely occurrences. And I guess the takeaway I get

1005
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:35,720
with that is she's able to fly, and they even say, oh,

1006
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,800
maybe when she flies, and they're
like, oh, that's not going to

1007
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,640
be like for you any point soon. So it's interesting to see what her

1008
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,399
potential is because I am I am
interested in as well to see the potential

1009
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:57,640
of Gotana and Trunks, because they
obviously they've reached new levels that Goku and

1010
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,000
vegeta. It took their adult life
to get too, so I'm interested in

1011
01:19:01,079 --> 01:19:04,319
them, but also with her,
like what's her potential? She could already

1012
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:08,960
fly at this age, and obviously
it seems like that's an earlier age than

1013
01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:12,119
Trunks and Go ten, So yeah, like it was already kind of suggested

1014
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:18,319
that a half saying has more potential
than a full saying, and we don't

1015
01:19:18,359 --> 01:19:25,239
really know how quarters saying works,
but clearly pure potential from what we've seen

1016
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,760
at her age, she's blowing everyone
out of the water. So I have

1017
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,199
no idea what's going to happen,
but it might be like that kind of

1018
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:36,239
thing that we've seen, with more
initial potential but not the drive to take

1019
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:42,760
her like Gohan to go Quinagia's level. Yeah, which seems to be like

1020
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,960
the main thing, Like these half
sayings and part sayings could have an insane

1021
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,279
potential like go ten, trunks turning
super saying super early, right, But

1022
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,600
then at the same time you have
all of these situations where they just lag

1023
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,520
behind because maybe they find they go
on dates with girls, or Gohan gets

1024
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,640
married and it wants to be an
academic and you have less of that focus

1025
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:11,840
on training and more of folks on
life where, which is kind of interesting

1026
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,920
because it shows that hard work and
sticking to something could actually lead to better

1027
01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:23,520
results than just being naturally talented at
it. Quicker m m. Yeah,

1028
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,560
so oh yeah, but I'm a
sister to second second just mentioned that was

1029
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,119
random as fuck kid? Kay,
Like we never got introduced her sister before,

1030
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,600
right, No, that was totally
random, come out of the blue.

1031
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:39,000
That was rather as fuck. Do
you guys remember I wanted to ask,

1032
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:42,279
um, it's slipping my mind at
this moment, like, why is

1033
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:46,640
the peel off getting like a bunch
of kids? Yeahs look like that to

1034
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:53,920
me. But you're right that the
woman daughter. I don't know why she's

1035
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:59,279
a kid, Like maybe the woman
because you remember, you remember my ray

1036
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,119
was was like an adult woman.
Yeah, it was maybe that's her kid

1037
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:09,319
or something. We're never really told. Does she even like what's her name?

1038
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,439
Is her name? Ever mentioned this
new kid? Yeah, it's it's

1039
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,079
it's actually the same person. Oh
okay, So apparently Zekin says it was

1040
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:23,319
a wish on the Dragon Balls.
It was revealed in a special manga chapter

1041
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,479
that would explain it. I'm not
sure why she would wish for that,

1042
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:33,079
but that would explain it, yeah, because it was definitely not covered in

1043
01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:40,600
the anime. But UM, no, that's that's interesting, and so I'm

1044
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,319
glad there is an explanation because as
before, you know this, the chats

1045
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:49,239
so good at like actually knowing everything
that's going on. But before I saw

1046
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:51,000
it in the chat, right now, yeah, I had no idea.

1047
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:55,960
I just accepted it as truth.
But that's a that's a good question,

1048
01:21:56,039 --> 01:22:01,239
obviously, Yeah, maybe we could, um. I mean, the last

1049
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:09,680
part of this arc is that whole
situation with UM the was a purple vegeta

1050
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:15,960
blue vegeta. I forget what.
I'm colorblind, so I forget man,

1051
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:24,479
you and Briggs are both colorblind.
I know that's interested. But yeah,

1052
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:30,640
that whole situation is UM is interesting, UM because I don't know, it

1053
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,159
changes things up. I think we
get obviously, we we learned that what

1054
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:40,439
happens is when they get to the
other planet. Manaka is the delivery person

1055
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:45,920
throughout the different planets, Trunks and
um Goten accidentally get on his delivery ship

1056
01:22:46,119 --> 01:22:53,159
and they're released into the planets,
and basically we find out that the there's

1057
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,840
this water. I guess I forget
exactly what they call it. But um,

1058
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:02,119
it was basically meant to Yeah,
it's like a boy it was originally

1059
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:08,960
Yeah, biological warfare originally used as
a way to defeat enemies from the planet.

1060
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,079
They would take their strength and be
able to defeat them. But then

1061
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,239
it was caught in the wrong hands. And now it's been released now that

1062
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:20,279
those bandits came and took out the
special water. So that's interesting. But

1063
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:26,640
I like the idea of how we
get this Goku Vegeta fight in a way

1064
01:23:27,239 --> 01:23:30,399
though we don't see how it ends. Yeah, the dynamic tastes hilarious because

1065
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:36,000
obviously, for filler episodes, you
can't change much in the story, but

1066
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:42,199
at the same time, you can
build hype by having someone like Goku and

1067
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:45,880
Vegeta fight because that's obviously what we
want to see. And I think they

1068
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,159
did a good job with the humor, like there was a pacifier. But

1069
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:53,319
there's also just the fact that Vegeta
was actually cheering on the purple dude,

1070
01:23:53,640 --> 01:24:00,640
yes, which is hilarious because he
literally would die if the purple guy doesn't

1071
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:05,920
lose, and yet his pride would
prefer for him to be the better fighter.

1072
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:11,720
And don't you find it weird that
Vegeta is always talking about, oh

1073
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,039
he could they just comparing himself himself
to Goku and when they fight, you

1074
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:20,960
know, he'll be strong or whatever. And they never actually fight like they're

1075
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,560
not just like when they're turning on
the plane, Hey you want to just

1076
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:27,680
fight right now? They spar but
they never full out fight, and I

1077
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:32,479
feel like it's always this never ending
thing where it's they're putting it off and

1078
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:38,479
they compare themselves through their fights with
other people. Yeah, exactly the way

1079
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:43,159
that they do it, and that
has to be done because it would be

1080
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:46,199
boring if we just kept seeing them
fight again and again. And this way

1081
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:51,840
it builds up hype for when they
eventually do square off. It's going to

1082
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,159
be, you know, all the
more satisfying because we've been waiting for it.

1083
01:24:57,119 --> 01:25:00,720
So little mini peaks, sneak peaks
like this remind us that, yes,

1084
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,079
we are looking forward to these two
eventually going full out against each other.

1085
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,399
Right now, they probably wouldn't wouldn't
make sense because of the Kyo Ken.

1086
01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:15,000
Although in Goku's current position because he
has to not fight Piccolo said like

1087
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:19,960
they even said Piccolo can beat him, so obviously I'm guessing that's pre that's

1088
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:24,760
during the baby setting too, when
he was recovering. At that point,

1089
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,840
they even said Piccolo could beat him
because he was so beat up. Yeah,

1090
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,239
for sure. Speaking of Piccolo,
one thing we didn't get we've been

1091
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:35,800
getting so much is him. I
guess it's because Gohan didn't, you know,

1092
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,640
make much of an appearance at all. We didn't get the Piccolo sacrifice

1093
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,600
in these episodes, which was kind
of disappointed. I'm so used to it

1094
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:49,279
everyone twenty episodes. Ze could brought
up a good point. This was this

1095
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:56,760
arc right when Goku and Magia got
full beards full beards. Yeah, they

1096
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:02,600
were training in the Hyperball. They
were like three years right, I think

1097
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:08,800
that which I thought there was only
two years. So I guess maybe they're

1098
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,359
just stronger so the rules don't apply. I'm not sure what No, because

1099
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,479
then they was rebuilding the Hyperbolicarian.
I don't know if he built it with

1100
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,880
different rules. Nice. Nice,
So there is a see, guys,

1101
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,640
there's always a reason to me it
seems messed up, although we will get

1102
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,960
to it because I don't know if
it's spoiler or a kick guy. And

1103
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,439
I don't know if you know or
if the chat knows. But why is

1104
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,399
Trunks's hair blue in the future?
Ray might have not even noticed, because

1105
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:44,079
but why is his hair as in
the future blue now instead of purple like

1106
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:48,520
it used to be? That has
never been answered satisfyingly for me. So

1107
01:26:49,319 --> 01:26:55,520
because it was originally blue in the
original manga when it was being colored in

1108
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,840
the things, he was supposed to
have the same color as almost hair.

1109
01:27:01,039 --> 01:27:06,399
But so that's it. So and
then so what happened is what animal the

1110
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:11,600
anime made. It made the mistake
of making it purple. Yeah, but

1111
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:16,239
then Kid Trunks is still purple,
so it makes no sense. No,

1112
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,039
but that was the reason that was
given for it, okay, and the

1113
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:24,199
anime just sort of just stuck with
it if that was If that was the

1114
01:27:24,279 --> 01:27:29,039
reason, I guess Sam. Sam's
like, damn goals and shitting on Ray's

1115
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:31,560
vision. No, that's I'm not
doing that. Guys. If you were

1116
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,960
to tell me what color is Kid
trunks is hair, if you purple or

1117
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:41,640
a blue, I don't know.
I wouldn't like I either way. I

1118
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,399
wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah. See, that's so interesting to me.

1119
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,079
Like, I'm definitely not shitting on
Ray obviously, but that's so interesting

1120
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:50,920
to me. That because I just
can't relate, right, So it's like

1121
01:27:51,079 --> 01:27:56,640
viewing the world in a completely different
way. Um. So yeah, that's

1122
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:01,159
that's interesting. So some other interesting
nugget that came up as well, just

1123
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:06,640
speaking of little things like sprinkled throughout
the episode which contribute to character development.

1124
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,359
Learning that getting the confirmation, I
mean you kind of inferred it by getting

1125
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:17,239
the confirmation that saying men are drawn
to strong women. And that's why if

1126
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:21,680
you look at you know, Vegeta, you look at Goku, they always

1127
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:27,840
go for the women who are continually
you know, yelling at them, critiquing

1128
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,640
them. They love that, and
that's why they stayed. Yeah, they're

1129
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:33,800
they're not around some missive women.
Yeah. So that that's I think an

1130
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:40,399
interesting like piece of knowledge that's told
at some point because everyone's kind of taken

1131
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,600
aback when they say that when Vegeta's
like, yeah, I didn't know that.

1132
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,439
Basically we're drawn to strong women.
We won't go through we won't get

1133
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:53,239
with like passive women. Yeah,
which is interesting because I Goku wasn't even

1134
01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:56,920
aware. It's just like, well, I'm attracted to this without knowing why,

1135
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,119
and Vegeta is like, of course, we like strong women. I

1136
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:02,239
didn't if you think about it.
V Dell was like that too, but

1137
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:09,439
she's definitely changed a Dragon Ball Super, he's become way more conventionally motherly than

1138
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:14,479
she wasn't Z where she was kind
of had an attitude. Yeah, and

1139
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,600
I wonder because he's a half saying
if that changes things. But yeah,

1140
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,520
a lot of things Goku doesn't know, like when Vega's like, don't you

1141
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,720
know that sand men don't I don't
know if it's saying managers in general,

1142
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,279
but they don't age as quickly,
and he's like, oh no, I

1143
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:32,800
didn't even didn't even realize why,
you know, it's taken everyone's growing older.

1144
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,479
And I looked the exact same throughout
all of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon

1145
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:43,000
Ball Super. H Yeah, I
think it's stated already that like sand Stand

1146
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:46,279
or Prime told there like eighty or
something like that, so that they can

1147
01:29:46,359 --> 01:29:50,239
fight for a longer period of time. Yeah. So since I did ask

1148
01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:55,520
and Ze can usually know this stuff, I will just say here, when

1149
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,920
I asked the question about the Boma's
hair or Trunks's hair, he says,

1150
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:02,680
because in the original manga, Boma's
hair was purple, but in the anime

1151
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,000
they wrongfully made Boma's hair blue,
so when Trunks appeared in Z they gave

1152
01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:12,600
him purple hair because that's what he
had in the manga, but Boma's hair

1153
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,439
was still blue. So in Super
they decided that future Trunks and Boma need

1154
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,720
to have the same color hair,
so they change future Trunks is cannoned purple

1155
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:24,560
hair to the wrong blue hair to
mash Bomas. So yeah, I mean,

1156
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,479
we don't even need to think too
much into it, because again it's

1157
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,239
like Toriama doesn't take this stuff too
seriously. When you think about the tails,

1158
01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:35,840
just stop stop coming right because you
didn't feel like drawing them anymore,

1159
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,439
so or he just forgets about stuff
like launch and stuff. Like the way

1160
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,880
I look at it is with the
tails. The main draw with the tails

1161
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,000
was you turn into the same ape, and back then that was a real

1162
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:50,119
kind of advantage you could have,
you see with Vegeta. But now,

1163
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:55,239
like who cares about turning into the
snape At this point the Super sayan is

1164
01:30:55,319 --> 01:31:00,279
the hype thing. The same ape
is just yeah, yeah, like what

1165
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:02,439
are they gonna do, Like Pan's
gonna turn into the eighth though, you

1166
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,319
know, yeah again they turned Super
same blue and cut off no Yeah,

1167
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:12,079
they they've played up as that as
much as they can write the azarro version,

1168
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,119
because at this point it would just
be kind of kind of repetitive if

1169
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:20,680
they did that. Soul Slayer,
thank you for the re sub Soul Slayer

1170
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:27,920
has been subscribed for sixteen months.
Awesome, appreciate it. Uh, yeah,

1171
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:31,399
so we had that, we covered, We covered the purple stuff,

1172
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:36,359
right, anything else you guys want
to mention before we wrap up this episode.

1173
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,359
I know, just one thing that
at first, like a Dragon Ball

1174
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,880
Z, seemed like it was gonna
be big hype and now it's just getting

1175
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,399
annoying for me, is the fusion
into go tanks. Like at this stage,

1176
01:31:51,359 --> 01:31:57,239
every time they fused it gets them
nowhere. Yeah, and remember this

1177
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,840
is like more like filler stuff.
So yeah, and their kids, I

1178
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:05,399
understand that at the very least.
Yeah, they've definitely taken a backseat big

1179
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:11,079
time in Dragon Ball Super, even
more than even more than Gohan arguably,

1180
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:15,840
So yeah, what can you do. It's just it's weird. It's weird.

1181
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:20,199
They seem like they got younger and
less useful compared to Dragon Ball Z.

1182
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:24,920
But that could just be my imagination
or they're just staying in the same

1183
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:30,720
place while everyone else is moving forward. Yeah, it's just interesting because dragon

1184
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,399
Ball the focus is on you know, young Goku his potential. Dragon Ball

1185
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,960
Z the focus is on young Gohan
and his potential, Like they're not the

1186
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:42,920
entire focus, but there is a
focus there, And here the young characters

1187
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,079
with trunks and Go tend they're not
really relevant. And I think I'd prefer

1188
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:50,279
that because you know, I obviously
care at this point more about Goku than

1189
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:55,359
are about Go Tanks or like Go
ten. Yeah, so I wouldn't want

1190
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:59,119
that to keep switching the focus.
I think they tried a bit with Gohan,

1191
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,159
so I wasn't like super effective,
and then they brought it back the

1192
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:09,439
mostly Goku and Magita, which not
gonna lie I'm okay with Obviously, I

1193
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:14,600
do always want to see Gohan do
cool stuff. But yeah, I'm sor

1194
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:23,960
right, it's all good. What
else is there to say? I think

1195
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,359
that pretty much wraps it up,
right, Yeah, I think did you

1196
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:31,119
want to just talk about where you
would rank it? Yes, So I'd

1197
01:33:31,159 --> 01:33:38,960
also just put it first because it
had more time to develop, right.

1198
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,479
The other ones were movies, and
then they kind of transferred it over into

1199
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:46,479
the series and added some stuff in
between the parts that weren't in the movie,

1200
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:51,239
but here they actually got the planet
out as an arc with time,

1201
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:58,720
and so for that reason, I
think it's the best paste one out of

1202
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,239
them all. And I don't just
mean fast based, I mean like taking

1203
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:05,319
the time to actually build up everything. And the new villain was interesting,

1204
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:11,439
right Hit. And I like the
fact that him and Goku were better rivals

1205
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,359
than him and Beers because Beers could
just finish him off at any time,

1206
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,800
right. And I love the fact
that, you know, we got a

1207
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,239
new transformation pretty much every single arc. Here, we got Super saying God's

1208
01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:25,720
Uper saying Blue, and then Super
sayan Blue with Kayo Ken. So yeah,

1209
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,560
it was just an epic. And
the climax for me was Goku and

1210
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:33,800
Hit, which I think most people
would agree with that. What about you?

1211
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:41,119
Yeah, me similar, So I
think this is my favorite Dragon Ball

1212
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:45,399
Super. I would say the next
one is the probably the Freezer one,

1213
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,239
and then lastly the Berrist and the
Freezer one. I mean it's funny because

1214
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:57,000
Dragon Ball Z my favorite one was
Dynamic and Freezes Saga, so you'd think

1215
01:34:57,159 --> 01:35:00,159
Freezer would be ahead for me,
but I don't know. I just I

1216
01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:02,760
felt like they put Freeze in there
as a way just to be like,

1217
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,920
oh the fans love Freeze and Z, we'll just throw them in here.

1218
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:11,640
I didn't find it was that original. So even though it's a new transformation

1219
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:16,640
with Golden Freezer, so that's why
it's not my number one, but I

1220
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,039
would say this is definitely the number
one for those reasons that you stated.

1221
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:25,479
Just the transformations the tournament, Yeah, I thought it and it had room

1222
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,960
to breathe, right, it had
room to breathe, develope. It wasn't

1223
01:35:29,039 --> 01:35:32,720
like stuck, but any everything had
its it's parts that I liked so far,

1224
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,960
right, I think it's been getting
better, but I think berus was

1225
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:43,079
interesting with like the God Destruction stuff. I did love Golden Freezer as like

1226
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:45,720
a better opponent to Goku and now
this. Yeah, so I can't wait

1227
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:51,560
to see what happens next, specifically
raise reaction, because I did watch it

1228
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:57,560
all. And I also want to
see kind of how they keep things interesting,

1229
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,680
because so Barny've been doing a great
job. They they introduced a God

1230
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,840
of Destruction, they introduced Golden Freezer, they introduced this tournament with all these

1231
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:12,439
different universes. It's been implied that
Zeno wants like all of the universes to

1232
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,439
participate, So if that happens,
we'd be getting all of these different new

1233
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:23,159
badass characters that can participate. Then
you also have now Future Trunks saga.

1234
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,319
So we're getting back to Future Trunks. And I know how much Ray like

1235
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,399
Future Trunks and like who didn't like
He's just great. He's just a great

1236
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,119
character, and I love the time
travel. So you know, we might

1237
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:38,800
see a new villain up here in
the Future Trunks saga. I'm trying to

1238
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,880
think in the future he ended up
going back. He went back to the

1239
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:48,199
future and he destroyed Yeah, so
they're like he's running around at the end

1240
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:53,640
there and wherever he is, it
seems like the town is completely destroyed again.

1241
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,880
So it wouldn't be because of the
Androids. It would be because of

1242
01:36:57,039 --> 01:36:59,880
something else. I wonder if they
do a similar thing there where. Yeah,

1243
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:06,720
any ants, any pure guesses for
what what may be happening. I

1244
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,000
don't know pure guesses. I just
hope it's not a similar thing where it's

1245
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:16,239
a new Android or something. I
hope for me the Android thing is done,

1246
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:18,840
Like I'm not interested in anymore,
So I hope it's not Oh,

1247
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:24,319
they found out there's this new Android
and it's you know, I just I

1248
01:37:24,359 --> 01:37:27,800
wouldn't be into that. But for
me, I hope it's just a completely

1249
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,760
new person. Yeah, the perfect
Android was very created. That was Android

1250
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:39,640
eighteen. So yeah, we can
move on. That's what is he I'm

1251
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:46,640
trying to think Mary, whether he
thank you so much for rating us much

1252
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:55,399
appreciated. Did he that being future
trunks know of the like transformation that eighteen

1253
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,960
Like I'm talking inner transformation that eighteen
had before he left. Was he aware

1254
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:01,800
of it? Because if not,
he's going to be freaked out when he

1255
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:08,560
sees krillin in eighteen together. Um
or just like weird. I don't remember

1256
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,920
now, but yeah, I mean
we we've had that moment repeated plenty of

1257
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,920
times, right, Um, but
yeah, I might be repeated again because

1258
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,880
we've had Goku react like that.
Yeah, I'm Tory react like that because

1259
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:24,039
they didn't know Andrew At could be
trusted. But here's the person who killed

1260
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:28,800
off for his entire family. Yeah, I mean he'll have the worst reaction,

1261
01:38:29,079 --> 01:38:32,119
Yeah, for sure. So that's
something to look forward to. Um.

1262
01:38:32,399 --> 01:38:34,600
Yeah, there's there's a lot of
stuff to look forward to. I

1263
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:39,159
look forward to seeing how the villains, you know, the designs, what

1264
01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:44,119
happens with them? Can't wait again. Thanks kid Kai for coming on as

1265
01:38:44,119 --> 01:38:46,199
a guest. It was cool to
do this talk about these same episodes again

1266
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:53,760
after five years. Thank you for
having me. It was fun time and

1267
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:58,239
maybe we can do it again sometimes. Yep. And guys, let me

1268
01:38:58,319 --> 01:39:03,279
just wrap up by finding you what
episodes we're covering for the next Dragonball version,

1269
01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:08,560
which I will remind you would be
in two weeks. So we have

1270
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:13,439
the future Trunk Saga episodes forty seven
to seventy six. If you guys are

1271
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:17,119
listening to their podcast and wondering when
I mentioned chat who I'm talking about,

1272
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:23,039
We're doing this live on Twitch and
so you guys could actually watch live and

1273
01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:29,760
participate through the chat. So that
will be on the Rant Cafe Twitch every

1274
01:39:30,279 --> 01:39:33,560
Wednesday, not every Wednesday anymore,
every other Wednesday at four pm Eastern time.

1275
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,159
So if you want to catch a
live show a bunch of you have

1276
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:41,279
done that, that's the way to
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1277
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:45,119
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It helps out And until next time, see us Space Cowboys Bay