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Joining us today is Danny Quintana. He is the president and founder of
the Global High Sea High Seas Marine Preserve, which is a non non profit
education organization dedicated to educating people on ocean wildlife issues. He's the author of
several books, most recently Space and Ocean Exploration as the Alternative to World War
Three and Why the Earth Is Still the Center of the Universe. He's a
graduate of the University of Utah and Political Science and Utah's College of Law,
as a member of the Mars Society and as Always and it's been too many
years, but you have spent decades, decades talking about the ocean, Danny,
and it's such a pleasure and a welcome. Welcome to the program.
Thank you for having me on, Frankie. It's good to be back.
And Hie to all of you people out there. Always listen to Frankie because
you've got great advice for you. You're so sweet, Danny. We know
that we know that the state of the ocean is in serious, serious condition.
But how bad is it? Well, right now, as we speak,
half of all of the wildlife and the oceans has been slaughtered. Ninety
percent of the predator fish, that's the large fish, the huge bluefin tuna,
the big, big predators have been slaughtered. It's like going to the
serengetti and there's no lions or hyenas or leopards because they've all been killed.
The Asians are killing two hundred thousand sharks each day for sharks and soup.
And then you talk about the garbage. It's being dumped into the oceans over
ten million tons a year. I mean, they're a mess, and we've
got to clean it up, and we need to turn it around. And
we have an idea on how to do this. So my question to you
is when we see one of the a species going through trauma and there have
a hard time reproducing, you know, we protect them. Who's protecting these
big fish in the ocean, is anyone? Well, that is the heart
of the problem. You hit it right on the nail in the High Seas,
which is the area of past two hundred miles, because within the first
two hundred miles, nations have what's called the exclusive Economic gym zone, and
out in the High Seas it's the wild wild West. There's literally no law
enforcement. So it's basically what's called the tragedy of the commons. It's the
race to catch the last fish. The fish belong to everyone, then it
belongs to no one. So you get fishermen out there that are over fishing,
and you get the mess that we have. So what we're proposing is
amand what's called the Law of the Seas tree and create a global High Seas
Marine Preserved where we protect all of the wildlife forever. So one hundred percent
of the oceans would be protected. Now, Frankie, that's important because the
oceans cover seventy percent of the planet, so when we go through with this
idea, basically, we will solve the majority of our environmental problems because fixing
the problems on land doesn't matter. Of just getting people to change their diet.
You'll just eat healthy and you have a healthy planet. Not so easy
for people to do not so healthy and not so easy for people to do
it all. You know, Danny, this is such a hotbed because explain
to us this is such a big conversation in Sylvia or Earl from Noah.
I spoke with her a decade ago, a decade ago, and she is
wonderful. Oh my god, isn't she She's such a delightful human being.
And she was saying back then how concerned she was, and she said,
I don't think people realize that if there is not a healthy ocean, that
we will not survive. So the state of the ocean is critical for humans
to survive. And that message has been lost. Annie. Well, it
doesn't get publicity. The mass media, the Big five don't pay attention to
something like that. Because when you're standing on the beach, and most Americans
live within fifty miles of the ocean, you look out there on the ocean
and everything looks pristine and fine, but you can't see what's going on under
the waves. Half of all our oxygen comes from the ocean, and the
majority of life on Earth, the majority of species are in the ocean,
and we're discovering new species every day down deep. So it's something that all
of us have a shared interest in protecting, which is why I'm optimistic that
we can do it. And we can do it. It's a matter of
just changing international law, and we can use our navy. That's why I
wrote my new book Space and Nocan Exploration, the Alternative to World War Three.
We can use the world's navies for enforcement, so that gives the Navy
a new basically contract, a new mission. We can give the armies of
the world cleaning up all of the damage that we've done with our landfills and
with our rivers being polluted and all the rest, and with the aerospace contractors.
What I recommend in my new book is have all of the nations space
programs combine into a giant space program to explore the Inner's holar system, because
that's such a massive endeavor of Frankie that we really can't do it alone.
I know there's efforts now for China, Russia, Japan, European Union and
ourselves and India to go to the moon, but to really explore the Solar
system, mind the asteroid belt, to build colonies on Mars and so on.
It's going to take a combined human effort and it will demilitarize the planet.
But getting back down to Earth and the practical matters that we need to
do here, and let's be practical for a minute. If we get other
nations to adopt our marine laws and we have the best marine laws and the
best enforcement in the world, then everybody wins because if you want good seafood,
and I would encourage people to really support American fishermen because we do it
right. Our fishermen do it right. Just stink seafood from your own country
here in the US. When you buy seafood from Alaska, you're getting clean
seafood that's been inspected, that has been very carefully regulated. I mean,
the regulation that goes up there is amazing. One of my interns of Dash
Robinson, was just stuck there and he brought me back this incredible salmon steak
the bilet that is just terrific. So you want to eat seafood, eat
seafood, but make sure it's only from your own country. There's no reason
to be importing seafood all the way from Chile or New Zealand and all these
other places. And and Danny, there's there's so much misinformation because some of
the fish that are being used are not even they're not even at the age
to mature to even have babies, because they're being killed before they have babies.
And one example is that very fatty fish. And we gave it,
we gave it a name. What are we calling it? It's really an
ugly tooth fish. And they renamed it Baths so that it could sell.
Yeah, so we gave it a pretty name. Absolutely right. You know
what's the real name of that fish? And it takes twenty it takes twenty
years for that fish to have babies something like that. It's outrageous. You're
thinking of orange rough edge. Yeah, that one of them. It takes
a long time. But and they change the name so that it would not
be so ugly for people, and they marketed and because it's a fat fish,
it's so fatty you can freeze it forever. And it is still taste
good. And that's part of the problem. That's part of the bigger picture.
If we want to save the wildlife and the oceans, quit eating that.
God and now, with microplastics and all the toxins that are in the
oceans, it's not necessarily the best choice. The diet in the developed world
has caused horrendous health problems. I mean, think about this, Frankie.
Seventy percent of Americans are overweight, uh, fifty percent or obese, and
forty percent are now morbid the ob And I was looking to the study the
other day. A friend of mine showed me forty percent of the applicants for
the armed forces cannot pass the physical It's true, that's true. I've heard
this, Danny. We have to take a quick break. There's I can't
believe how quickly this segment went. Let's take a quick break. Recap.
Will be back in a moment. Give us the best website and how people
can get your new book so important to support and Amazon wonderful say it again
saving oceans dot org. Oceans dot org is our website. My name Danny
Kintana, and on Amazon and you'll see the book wonderful, a real visionary
and champion. We'll be back in just a moment with Danny. I'm Frankie
Boyer. Stay tuned, we are back. He is truly Danny Quintana.
When did Saving Oceans dot org? When was this? Tell us how this
became your passion in life. Well, I like to write, and i'd
like to do research, and I've been studying about nuclear weapons since I was
eight years old, and I was trying to think of a way that we
could demilitarize the American economy. So I wrote the first book on this,
this which is Space and Ocean Exploration, The Alternative to the Military Industrial Complex.
And as I was doing the research, I think all of you out
there in regual Land has at one time or another had an epiphany where something
just grabs you and says, I've got to do something about this. So
it's four in the morning and I'm doing the research and it's half the wildlife
and the oceans has gone. I go what. And then I do more
research and ninety percent of the large predator fish are gone. What? And
then we're killing two hundred thousand sharks each day, and it's like, oh
my gosh, We've got to do something about this, and I got this
etiphany that well, let's change the law. Let's create a global High season
Marine Preserve and protect all of the oceans, and let's give the aerospace contractors
exploration of space and the Navy contractors exploration of the oceans. So that's how
the Global High Season Marine Preserve was created. And that was about eight years
ago. And I got a really nice letter from President Obama, Frankie,
but you know, he didn't follow any of my advice. So I mean,
they did create one of the largest marine protected areas. But yes,
by the way, so you also, I just want to mention to everybody
that you also continue to practice law with his passion as well, and that
you play wheelchair tennis and and you still are a prolific author. Well,
I like using the proceeds from my law practice and our books to deliver wheelchairs
to other countries and to fund our nonprofits. So we have our nonprofit to
funds ten interns with University of Hawaii, and then we have a couple other
interns over there, and then we have some with University of Utah, with
Texas A and M. And if any of you out there are are interested
in an internship. You know, we ask your college professors to give you
college credit. So just reach out to me and you can reach me through
Savy Notions dot org. The book can be purchased on Amazon. And my
last name is Qui n t a Na. So if you look up Danny
Quintana and then Space and Notion Exploration the Alternative to World War Three, because
we have to stop this drift towards another war. It's senseless. It's got
to stop. You know, a Putin made a giant mistake, and so
did the United States. There is no alternative to peace. The problems facing
the planet are so intertwined that whether we like each other or not, and
we don't have to like each other, but we must work together. People
out there in radio land, we must work together. And working together,
human problems always have a human solution. They just do. Yes, yes,
we have to. We just have to give us some examples of what
we as consumers can do. Who do you want us to support? Who
do you want us not to support? Well, what I would recommend to
all of you out there is support your local fishermen here from the United States.
They need to be paid better. Their jobs are extremely dangerous, and
they're competing with foreign companies that are not playing by the same set of rules.
These foreign companies get tax subsidized and they dump their seafood on our market.
And the other thing is is when you buy seafood from another country,
there's no guarantee whatsoever that what you're buying is actually what's on the label.
I would not rest command buying shrimp from Southeast Asia. Only four percent of
the seafood that's imported into the United States is inspected. So and you know,
look at your food choice of try to go with a more vegetarian diet,
stay away from beef, chicken, and park because industrial farming is a
disaster for the planet. And just eat less, eat ride and exercise and
that's the best thing you can do for the environment. And that's the best
thing you can do for the oceans. And do simple things like buy a
tumbler. Do not buy plastic water containers at all, you know, anyway
from single use plastic items. I mean, I think, honest to God,
Frankie, I think that plastic is the existential threat to humanity into the
planet. I mean, climate change is a problem. And obviously, what's
the big problem. What's happening is the birds are eating the plastic and the
fish are the fish are eating them. I mean, the plastic is everywhere.
I stopped eating fish a long time ago because I'm concerned about the plastic
and I just don't I don't want to eat it. But for man,
the mercurys and the toxins and all of it, it's just a bloody mess.
It's just a bloody mess, Danny. And no one is talking,
not many are talking about it. And Sylvia Earl was absolutely spot on when
she said if we do not if we do not take control of the ocean,
oceans and understand that if we do not keep them clean, there will
not be an Earth. There will not be an earth, there will not
be a planet Earth, there will not be mankind. And that that's a
radical, huge hama that she made, and it's worse today than when she
made it. Well, she's right. But the thing is is I'm optimistic.
Maybe it's because I have this beautiful granddaughter. It's a year old.
But we can turn around. We can turn it around by changing the diet.
And you know, don't count on your congressman, or your senator or
your politicians to help. You want to see who's going to help. Look
in the mirror. That's who's going to help. And you have control over
this. Ladies and gentlemen. You have control because you control the purse stream.
If you don't buy their garbage, they can't sell it. Every time
you go into a grocery store or retail outlet, remember within six months of
your purchase, it's probably going to end up in a landfill. We don't
throw anything away because we're all on the same planet. So what we have
to do is change the economic model, and that starts with you, ladies
and gentlemen. So please buy our book, support our internship program, support
our nonprofit and just eat right, exercise, don't use single use plast sticks,
and be kind to each other. We don't have to like each other.
But I don't believe, Frank, even for one minute, that we
have enemies. I don't think Russia or China or Iran are our enemies.
There are people over there on the other side of the planet that are going
about their daily lives like we are, and I think we all need to
just work together clean up the mess you made. We need to look at
every crisis as an opportunity. It's an opportunity for change and cleaning up the
planet can create millions of jobs because it's labor intensive. Absolutely, Danny.
Absolutely, Danny. Where are the most concerns in the world that you have
for for fish and wildlife? Right now? Oh? You know, Oh
my gosh, I'm going to have bast Asia. Yeah. I was just
gonna say it has to be Southeast Asia. Danny. We are you and
I talking. We just said it off as well as on. Eric.
It goes so quickly, and I'm always so grateful for the work that you
do and for the vision that you hold for all of us. And the
website and the book and all of that. Go ahead and give it.
The website to support our nonprofit is Saving Oceans dot org. And the book
is Space and Ocean Exploration The Alternative to World War Three. We have to
stop this drift to a world war We just do. And that starts with
you, ladies and gentlemen. It starts with eating right, exercising, loving
your family and your neighbors, and loving yourself. So I wish all of
you out there in radio land to really really have good health, good manners,
and be kind each other and also thank Frankie for the tremendous work.
She is. Oh, thank you so much, Danny. We gotta run.
We'll be back in just a moment. Frankie Boyer, stay tuned and
welcome back. It is Frankie Boyer, and it is a real pleasure to
welcome to the program someone who's been involved in theater for her practically her whole
life. Gail Pap is with us today, and Gail, you have had
the most extraordinary career. You have a new memoir, and the new memoir
is all about New York City's public theater and your husband, Joe Joe Pap
and the book is very it's this new memoir and it's very revealing about what
you went through. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much. It's
lovely to be here. But you grew up in a home with theater everywhere,
correct, it's a sort of I come from a family that has several
generations of actors in it, mostly in the distant past. Of the three
of them that I didn't know as I was growing up. My parents were
not in the theater. They were writers. But when I became working age,
I felt I wanted to keep my connection to the theater in some way,
but I wasn't an actor myself, so I got into the protection area
of it, and finally ended up with the new Public Theater, which also
does free Shakespeare in New York City in Central Park. It was a conscious
sort of course, correction and desire on my part, and yes, yes,
related, I would say to the memory of the theater in my family.
The new book. By the way, the new memoir is called Public
Private, My life with Joe Papp at the Public Theater and the Public Theater.
When did it? When did it open? Gail? Well? The
Public Theater was opened in nineteen sixty seven in a building that eventually housed six
stages, and our first production was the original production of Hair, the musical.
Oh my Gosh, and it would that's right, it started exactly wild
time, Oh my gosh. It was in nineteen seventy seven, nineteen sixty
seven. That's amazing, absolutely amazing, Gail. You were the developer of
new plays and musicals and you did free Shakespeare in Central Park to new plays.
I mean it goes on and on and on. Well, the horrorganization
was quite amazing. We opened with care there was this staff. It was
very, very small. We had all been in a different place doing free
shakespereence after park and nothing new, so we had no background and doing new
plays, but along a new musical which was a groundbreaking rock and roll for
a day, So we sort of learned as we went along. And Joe,
who had started as enterprise, had begun in the nineteen fifties with his
idea of doing free Shakespeare making it available to the people of New York City,
so he started in the mid fifties. I came on board in the
mid sixties, which was the start of the Public Theater, which had been
preceded by the Free Shakespeare Organization. So we were a very small staff at
that time. There were only about twelve people producing these works, and it
was for me it was a marvelous working experience that was also a learning experience
in terms of Shakespeare and then working with writers when we developed the public theater.
Gail, how how did you meet Joe And was it love at first
sight? No, I can't call it that. He was a fascinating person.
I had just recently been inspired actually some another job, and I was
desperately seeking work, and I thought, well, I wanted to continue in
the theater. So I'll write to all the producing organizations in New York City
and see if anybody has a job. This is really strange and desperate kind
of thing for person to do. I really just wanted to be in a
theater, and I didn't really know that the obstacles that would be in my
way. But anyway, I set out eighty eight letters, which right type
individually a little portable because this is long before anything of that sort. So
it was a labor and I sent off these envelopes. And I was living
in a one room apartment above a drug store in Gratish Village at that time,
and all of a sudden, the fabulous what a neighborhood. Oh my
gosh, what a neighborhood. Yeah, So the phone rang on this small
apartment kitchen at wall. I answered it and there was a guy at the
other end of city. He was calling from the New York Shakespeare Festival.
They might have an opening for summer tamps work. It's Tipperary, So I
thought I need a job. So I went up to the office, which
was then a suite of rooms in a shabby hotel uptown. There was no
public theater of any kind at that point, and I was interviewed and by
a personnel manager, and so I started working in this midtown office in the
hotel. And I've been told that the person who had begun this Shakespeare Enterprise
and Central Park was Joe pap And but I hadn't met him yet because he
was directing a play and he was in rehearsal elsewhere. So it was in
April nineteen sixty five, and one day I came into the office. Yeah,
and he walked past my desk. He didn't know who the heck I
was or what I was doing here. There was a suppers champ, you
know, but he said good morning. I said good morning. Then one
day, when he was passing by my desk, he stopped all of a
sudden. Story would what I would call a nano second, and he said,
I'd wore my hair down. I usually put it up on top of
my head, but I wore my hair down that that particular day. And
said, oh, he said, the Juliet look. You should always wear
it that way. Then he strode into his office. So that was the
first personal exchange that I had with him. So I just wanted to give
a I just want to give a little backstory about this extraordinary, amazing man,
because yeah, he really as a producer and director and the founder the
New York Shakespearean Shakespearean Festival, and but he won more than two hundred stage,
film and television awards. He was called the most important force in the
English speaking theater in the twentieth century. He was also an outspoken champion of
human rights in the First Amendment. He really and truly produced and over six
hundred plays and musicals by nineteen ninety one. That's amazing, absolutely amazing.
And your workale in public theater include The Normal Heart, Larry Kramer's Tony Award
winning play about the AIDS crisis, for which he won the Humanity Human Rights
Campaign Arts and Communications Award. And also you have been involved with the Mystery
of Edwin Drew. Is that correct? Yes? Right? Yeah? And
you guys got married in what year, nineteen seventy six, nineteen thirty six,
Yeah, almost ten years after I'd got working at the organization, and
with an interesting aspect of this theater was unlike most other theaters in New York
City at least it was founded by somebody from a humble background, without any
money or any major back backers or donors. Bill came from a an impoverished
background. Actually he born in Brooklyn. His parents were immigrants from Poland and
Lithuania. Uh. He had no advantages growing up except his own uh interests
in his own uh god given entity, which was fascinating. I am so
thrilled that you have been with us today. We're out of time, but
okay, it's a pleasure to thank you. Thank you so much. No,
it's our pleasure. It's absolutely our pleasure. Gail Public Private My life
with Joe Pop at the Public Theater. It's available wherever books are sold.
And is there a website you want to promote as well? Or is that
just to find the book? Sure? Sure, you can go to my
name Gail pap at C A I, L P A PPS and Peter uh
dot com. It takes you to my website and there's a lot of stuff
there that might be of interest. Thank you so much, Gail, so
appreciate it. Thank you. Take a quick breaking. Okay, right back,
it's Frankie Boy, stay tuned, byebye, and welcome back. Joining
us now is multi award winning author Eddie Chugulate and he is Creek and Cherokee.
He is a Creek and Cherokee Indian. You grew up in Oklahoma,
you now live in in Minneapolis, and your new memoir is out. It's
called This Indian Kid, a Native American memoir getting rave reviews. By the
way rave rave reviews. This book is absolutely an honest book about how you
grew up shuffled between different households. It was an impoverished lifestyle. But despite
the challenges that you faced, you say that there was so much love and
bountiful lessons from your your Creek and Cherokee heritage. Eddie. Yeah, tell
me a little bit about this life that you've had and why you wanted to
write this this new memoir. Yeah. I wrote a collection of stories for
adults called Shy and Madonna, And in writing those, I encovered, you
know, some experiences from childhood that didn't really fit into the adult story that
it brought back a lot of memories. So I start keeping a notebook have
these stories that didn't make it concerning childhood. And I showed one of them
to my agent and he really liked it and said, do you know,
do I have any more for you know, like a book plan that you
think there's a book there and that's how all that started. Ah, nice,
very nice. You grew up in Oklahoma in the seventies. Your parents
were divorced. You say it was a racially mixed environment. Yes, in
Miscogee, I my hometown. Yep, a lot more racially diverse than a
lot of town. You went to thirteen different thirteen different schools at a thirteen
Yeah, two in the first grade. Oh my gosh, Oh my god.
I had forgotten that. I I thought I went to that my klea
elementary, but I ran away from school. I thought that was my only
school, and my mom sent me a box of pictures and report cards,
and I found the other report cards from another first dragon. So even in
first aright, I didn't finish the whole school. Wow, you became very
good friends. Your best friend was was black and that impacted your friendship.
Yeah, Lonnie, she uh. He brought down the road from us,
and since we were so close, we wrote the same bus to school,
men to school gather and played the same baseball team. But we've kept in
contact over the years, even up until this day. He was the one
my uncle. I have a throat there beginning called the word. Yeah,
yeah, ye, people I never really saw again after that he passed away.
That that's my time. He was already passed away, so sad,
not someone that I saw on every day. Basis, what do you want
readers to take away and listeners from your your memoir? I guess for kids
it's uh, well, first of all, to stay in school because you
never know who what route you'll take, you know who you're gonna meet or
who I have an influence on your life. And also too, they get
because your parents are grandparents are racist, doesn't mean that you have to be
a rap that matter among people who will be influential in your life. They
can be white, Black, Ingian, Native Asian, whatever, So race
doesn't matter when someone's trying to help you out, and you you want this
story to be heard because you say that your story can be any one story
today, right, And it's also the show that Native Americans are more varied
than just people on reservations that go to the casino and play bingo. Mhm,
yes, you know and small count America. I guess. Yeah.
You've won so many awards, so many writing awards, and you began as
a journalist at age sixteen, while still in high school. Right, that
came because of I decided to go out for baseball. And when I made
the team, my coach was a sports writer, former sportswriter who taught journalism,
so he had me in his class and he saw that I had a
knack for it, and he turned me over to the local daily paper and
that's how I started. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. And You've won a
Penno Henry Prize and was selected by so many. You won a Wallace Stegner
Creative Writing Fellowship at Stanford, You've earned a master's degree at the University of
Valua Writing Writer's Workshop, and you still absolutely love, love, love writing.
But you know you've done everything. You've picked pecans, you've moved furniture,
you've worked as a day laborer, you received food stamps, you sold
your your plasma. You've done it all, Eddie, and I think you
give us a lot of hope. And I thank you so much for being
with us. This Indian Kid is his new book. It's a Native American
memoir. And Eddie, we see Eddie chucolate. Thank you so much for
being with us, and thank all of you. This has been another edition
of the Frankie Boyer Show. Thanks for listening. Make it a great day
everybody, and as always, smile to smile through you off dude and stole
smile And maybe tomorrow you'll see the sun come rocking through or you I've got
face with gladness, find between subsets WoT maybe ever sow here and it just
smiled. He food are fears and start smile, and maybe tomorrow you'll see
the light as still worth while if you tomorrow and some more