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Victor, how you doing. I'm doing great, Jesse, it is,
And I'm gonna thick of all the playoff matchups right now. It's it's
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Yes, it is all of those things. And Victor, we are trying
so hard to win in our common team and it's not looking good. Victor,
I'm not gonna lie to yet. It's not looking good, but it's
not impossible. But it's not looking good at this point. It looked way
worse earlier in the week. And in fact, it was funny because my
buddy Kevin is who we're against, is the one who helps out with some
of the show prep, and it was fun seeing him in person, and
it was his birthday recently have a birthday, keV, And it was just
like, man, you are smoking us. It is not even close.
And then in the next few days we turned it around a little bit,
but it still looks unlikely. I would say that we're gonna win. But
yeah, it's gonna be an interesting Saturday. They're saying there's a chance,
so you're saying there's a chance. That's right, that's right. We're hoping
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right after well, now it's time for another edition of High and this is
a special one because it's not just the Admiral and myself. We have Jesse
on as well, and Ryan appropriately named this show a whole host of trades,
So let's bring in our Tidy Admiral to discuss these. Hi do Ryan,
I'm well Victor, and hello Jesse. It's good to have you with
us here today. Normally we have a period of time where we chit chat
here at the top, but we do not have the time today. We
simply do not have the time. We're gonna cut it today and we're gonna
get right to the suite accountability that our listeners have been craving. But before
that, probably we should hear Jesse's voice and see how he's doing. So,
how are you, Jesse. That's some pro podcasting. Yeah, surprise
everybody. I'm here. I'm still here. I'm lurking. I am going
to be on the stand today, but I will turn over to Ryan to
do the interrogation. Yes, we'll be cross examining each of our trades here,
and we'll have a bit of a slightly different pace this time, as
we have ten trades to get through and not so much time to discuss them.
I know some of you out there might like to listen to a three
hour podcast where we talk about all our trades, but we don't have the
time for that today, so we'll keep our analyses relatively simple, short and
sweet. We're going to go in reverse order of the amount of deals here,
and actually we're tied at three with me and Jesse, so we'll start
with me and finally, my month's long plan of doing all of this extra
work, commissioning six different leads leagues at once is going to play out as
I get the official roster doctor experience here, as I get to dissect my
own trades on this very podcast you fell for the long Connunio worth it.
Before we dive in here, I do have to shout out my co manager,
Edward Swan, who many of you know in our FHL Discord community.
I actually wasn't supposed to be in the Tier Dynasty League except that Edward needed
a co manager, and so Victor put us together and we figured it out
and we actually were able to win our division last year to elevate our team
to the Lord Stanley Division. This year, we finished in twelfth after a
number of challenging injuries to key players as well as some bets on young players
that didn't quite pan out. And I'm looking directly at my countryman, Dawson
Mercer. I have a giant picture next to his mural and Bay Roberts,
and he let me down this year. But we're still kicking and we're hoping
to get a decent draft pick for next season to get our championship drive back
on track. Edward and I made three deals this year, the first two
being with our friend Tim Ah who let us know actually the correct pronunciation of
his name, as if we're on South Park here as part of Tim's roster
reconstruction, so we'll dive right in here, guys, the BFPS, which
is myself and Edward. We acquired right wing Arthur Khaliev and defenseman Mikhail Sergachev
out for the rest of the season with an injury from Tim. For left
wing right wing Toyvo Travnen, right wing Justin Danforth on Columbus, and center
left wing Vladnimesnikov. It was voted ninety percent for our side acquiring Kaliev and
Sergachev, and from our perspective, this was a way of consolidating some of
our veterans like Tara Vinen and Domestnikov into a can't miss d piece in Sergachev
and a lottery ticket in Kaliya, who could get moved as soon as this
upcoming trade deadline by LA for help on their playoff run. This was before
the Sergachev injury, but we were definitely thinking more long term, as we
were reasonably certain at the time of this deal that we would be safe from
relegation, and indeed we just squeaked out, what do you guys, think
I can see why tim Ah did this as a Sergachev. For Sergachev,
I think he's the best piece in the end deal, but he isn't helping
anyone this season, and tim is trying to stave off relegation. I think
that this was really good on you guys who recognize this what was going on
in to pounce on a player players who are not either not helping now or
underperforming and could be better in the future. So I think in general this
is one of those that probably is good for both sides. I think for
Cali Man, I really wish the Kings would just trade him. It is
so frustrating to watch this guy just flounder away in Los Angeles, and I
know that there's been a lot of spilled ink about him. The bottom line
is when you look at his underlying metrics, they're generally really good. His
raid stats has expected goals for and against, they're all positive. He just
doesn't he doesn't get the minutes. I think it's one of those things where
some things that he do, like maybe some small actions or little little plays,
stand out a lot and it limits his ice time, but the overall
impact is generally good. So maybe he's just doing silly turnovers or something that
is really getting in the coaches, getting under his skin. I'm not sure,
but I think he could be decent in a different environment. So I
really like the soft bet on him to maybe improve his three point four Fantasy
points per game, which is under a replacement level. There's upside there as
for what timate. God, He's got players that are producing better now.
I'm not really a believer in Tarravineen or in Mestakov in general, but they
do provide some middle depth to the lineup, which I think can be important.
When you can slot someone in and at least get about four fantasy points
a game regularly, maybe a little bit more, then that's decent. And
Sergochev certainly wasn't doing that, and Kaliev being scratched half the time isn't really
helping either, so I think that it makes sense for him. Dan Forth
is an interesting piece too. I think he's got a decent floor, and
if he can stay healthy, which has been an issue for him, then
maybe he can increase his points. But I'd be worried about him because he
might just get crowded out and columbus and not be able to have some relevance.
I could see why everyone voted for you, Ryan, because I think
getting the best player in the deal is generally considered a win. But I
could also see how this is relatively even. What do you think about that,
Ryan, Yeah, yeah, that's how we looked at it. From
my perspective. We got ta Vinen in the fifteenth round of our draft.
I think between players like Tanner, Janeo, Riley Smith, Joel Farrabee,
guys with some question marks perhaps about the consistency that they're going to have this
season. And then we got Dan Forth in vlad Domesticov for free. So
it's I think for us it's good acid management. We're able to turn him
into Sergachev, so I think we're pretty happy with that. Yeah, I'll
just interject I think he might have dropped Dan fourth after that, so I'm
not sure. Dan Forth was the key driver for Tim ay Here. He
was a nice I have him on a roster. He was a nice guy
you could flex up and down throughout the season because he was under that hundred
game limit for a long time and just a reliable three and a half point
player you could send up. But really, I think the two most fun
players in this deal. You got them both. I'm not a big Toy
Bowl guy, even though I think I acquired him somewhere else. Yeah,
I really think Tim just really wanted some good veterans who can produce some points.
And I think that's the impetus for the deal here. We weren't quite
done with Tim at this point, and he wasn't done with us either.
A theme had become apparent with Tim's deals by this point, and here's the
opportunity for us to natty plug naturally plug our upcoming episode with Tim. Keep
an eye on those podcast feeds around the Easter season and you'll hear from Tim
himself. The theme that we noticed was that he needed players now, not
next week, not next year. Now. He had just taken over this
team. He didn't have much to work with on the roster. So I
was very happy with what we were able to pull from him in this deal.
And we were voted I should just get it of the way. We
were voted ninety two percent to win this deal. Probably not from the first
piece here, goaltender Olivier Rodrigue, the kind of NEPO baby goalie in the
Edmonton Oilers system, and then two centers, one who is producing right now
and will produce for a long time in Nikohesher, and the other who has
the potential to produce at a similar level, hopefully Marco Casper. In Detroit.
We acquire Rodrigue Casper at Heescher, and we sent away left wing right
wing Stephen Mason, and the big piece in this deal, I think the
center right wing Joe Pavelski. So as I said, the tidy managers side
with us on this one. This has the trouble with these polls that lack
the context. I think from my perspective, Pavelski is going to help Tim
more now than Hesher, and Nason is a depth piece who can provide him
some scoring. We get Hesher and a pretty good Lotto ticket in Casper,
and then Rodrigue, who I will admit my co manager Edward is a lot
higher on than me for those of you who remember me skewering Rodrigue last week
and indeed two minutes ago in this podcast. We're very happy to get a
solid young piece with room to grow in Hesher for a late career Pevelski,
who won't help us win a championship this year what do you guys think.
I was right there with you skewing Rodrigue or not being a fan, But
I think this I agree through. I think this trade is a lot more
even than the tidy gms give Tim credit for. Even if you look ahead
to next year, I think it's still probably pretty even, maybe even still
leans Tim's way, But beyond that, I think it clearly slants towards the
BSF. So it's like, how far ahead are you looking? And we
already know how far ahead Tim was looking not very far because he wants to
stave off relegation. Now that's the number one goal. And we talked about
Rodrigue. Casper is doing alright in the AHL. I think that that's it's
always a bit tricky for the projection with some of these guys. I think
that there's there was a lot of kind of discussion. He got that one
game last year broke his kneecap, like what a terrible, unfortunate happenstance.
But he's been in the AHL this season almost half point per game for the
Grand Rapid Griffins, and so that's been pretty nice. And it's important to
point out too that he's in the AHL. He still doesn't turn twenty until
April eighth, so this entire season he's been nineteen. It's a difficult league
for teenagers. So I think that's actually a real feather in his cap to
say that he's doing about half point per game as such a young player.
If he was twenty two, that would be not very good for his long
term projection, but I think that's pretty good. I do still think that
is more likely a middle than a top six forward, but there's upside there
for more like he certainly could be and pumping up our FHL player cards.
I think one thing that you can really see with Casper is that his bash
is pretty darn good. His shots and hits are good, not amazing,
but good, and his blocks are close to average. So his bash overall
is going to give him a really high floor. Plus the face off wins
and time on ice might help as well. His pnhle is looking right now
trending more like a forty point player. I think he's going to be a
little bit better than that, probably like closer to fifty to sixty. That's
a decent piece. Looking at Nason, I think Nason, as long as
he keeps getting that power play time. I think he's probably the best fourth
liner in the league. The guy gets no time on ice practically, but
then he's on the power play and scores a decent amount, Like I don't
know many fourth liners. It's score more than he does, so that's pretty
nice. But lately I'd be a little worried because Bunting and Jarvis are more
appropriately taking that time from him, So you'd be a little bit concerned,
I guess with that, and then the big Pavelski, the guy just he
doesn't slow down. So that's the issue is that if Pavelski was indeed done
this year, then I think you could look at this a little bit more
lopsided, right because we don't know what's going to happen with him. But
I have a feeling he's going to resign, probably get some massive incentives,
and he's just going to keep producing. Because even though they have some new
forwards coming stank Covin looks great, Bork is knocking on the door. I
think Pavelski is going to continue to be planted on that top power plays,
hang out in the slot and tip Puck's home until he, you know,
is carted off the ice like the guy just he doesn't need to do much
to get points. He's so good. So I still think that'll be pretty
good moving forward. And I guess I didn't mention a lot about he's here,
but yeah, I think long term it's going to be He's going to
be really good. I think for the next couple of years it'll probably be
close to maybe with Pavelski and he's here, but then ultimately you get the
better piece. And I think he's here has more upside than what he's shown
this year. The Devils have just been weird and not as good as we
thoughts. I think it's a lot more even than that. I think you
guys did well to get the pieces you got. You're not gonna mind obviously,
And I think the flexibility of center right wing as a reminder, the
Tidy does not have a skater or flex spot, so you can get really
overloaded with centers, and so the fact that Pavelski is center right wing and
Nason is left wing right wing, I think that roster flexibility also really helps
him. Right now, what do you think, Jessie, Yeah, it's
I get the strategy and Timmy is going to be a fascinating person to talk
to about all this. I don't know that this is it makes sense,
the strategy makes sense for both sides. I'm not quite so sure that he's
here. Isn't the best player in the deal though, and he's producing right
now. But I guess you're capitalizing on the hot streak of Nason and the
hotness of the Dallas Stars. I've been trying to look at the schedule too.
Dallas might have just slightly more favorable skin schedule in these critical weeks than
New Jersey, so maybe that played into the thought process here. But in
any event, that is, I don't know Tim is willing to move prospect
who may or may not succeed in order to keep the head just above water.
Yeah, and I don't think we would have made this deal if we
were still in the kind of Pavelski hints robertson top line dominance era. We're
not in that situation anymore with the Dallas Stars. I think even that that
offense is going to get even further watered down soon with the addition of Victor's
favorite player to ever play hockey and Logan Stankoven to that third line eventually probably
second line, eventually, probably first line. And I feel like they're probably
still going to go out and get more forwards before the deadline here, So
I think, yeah, I think we saw the opportunity you got to give
to get. We saw the opportunity to give away Joe Pavelski, who is
still pretty good for a player in hesher who will be good for ten years
probably. So that's what we're what we're looking at there. This last one
was a little bit controversial in the hallowed halls of the bff's compound. And
I'm just gonna say, this was my deal. I did this, I
will own it, and let's get into it here. The context around this
deal is that it happened in the last two hours before the trade deadline.
The time element was definitely a factor, and I just want to I want
to defend myself a little bit here on this. When you have a co
manager, you have different skill sets. I think Victor and Elon, for
instance, we know that you guys are co managers. You guys have different
skill sets when it comes to evaluating players. That kind of thing for us,
our kind of division of labor is I'm the roster setting guy. I'm
looking for players who are minors eligible, who can give us those extra games.
Like Jesse mentioned, I'm looking to maximize what we have on our roster
on any given day, and Edward is looking for players. So Edward will
spend time talking to other managers, getting trades sorted out, looking at the
waiver wire, at that kind of thing. And I didn't have I didn't
have my co manager around for this one because it was pretty late in the
evening and Ed's got a real life, and so in a division of labor
here, I'm the one who stays up late usually and ed is the one
who wakes up early, so he gets all the news in the morning and
then I catch up. So here's the deal. We acquired goaltender prospect goaltender
Yoel Blumpfist for the Pittsburgh Penguins and Philadelphia d Sean Walker from the first place
team Jurassic Park jack Z who acquired Justin Schultz from US Alex Lyon for the
Detroit Red Wings, and center left wing prospect for the Ottawa Center's Yerie Schmakeel.
Ed and I did not agree on this deal, and that's why I
felt the need to go go on the defense of there a little bit.
Here's what Ed had to say when I asked him to break down our trade
for the broadcast, Ed had this to say, Schultz, mah, who
cares, don't mind getting rid of him? Lion. I think over the
past two seasons has shown to be a good goalie, and Rhymer is as
good as gone. By the deadline, I think Lyon finds his groove again
and his Detroit's guy is the battle for a playoff spot. Walker's value isn't
going to increase. His best case scenario is him staying in Philadelphia, which
doesn't seem likely. Who is a team battling for a playoff spot in the
tort system He thrives in more likely scenarios that he gets dealt to a team
where he plays on their bottom pair and has to figure out a new system
before the playoffs. Joel Blumpfist, I just have a philosophy of not having
prospect goalies as part of the main return in a trade unless their names are
Askarov, Wolf or Wolstead. I think they just are way too volatile of
an asset to spend on as a throw in. Sure, I'll take a
swing, but as one of the main parts. I'm not the biggest fan.
From Ed's perspective, or sorry, from my perspective, Ryan, I
was selling high on Lion, who at this time had sputtered and led in
seventeen goals in his last four games at the time of this deal, and
I had the opportunity to close the d gap on our roster, which is
significant. At the same time, we don't have a ton of blue chip
goalie pros. Although I agree with Ed that prospect goals aren't a great bet,
especially in this league. I feel fairly confident Bluncus will either compete for
a role with the Penguins in the next two years, or more likely be
a valuable trade piece for us at the next deadline or this summer moment of
truth. Guys, I guess we'll find out if maybe Ed is the new
Tidy Admiral. What do you guys think? In short, I think I
agree with Ed more on this. I do think that the body of work
that Alex Line has put together gives real credence to the idea that he could
be a starter for the Red Wings. Now, obviously, I don't think
that's going to last a super long time because Cosa Van Augustine, who we've
talked a little bit about are coming. They're not going to be ready next
season though, I don't think, and maybe not even the season after that.
And even if they are ready, Lion seems like he's to me proven
enough that he deserves a legitimate shot to continue to get opportunity to man increase
somewhere, even if it's not Detroit. His contract is pretty flexible right now.
He only he has one more year at nine hundred thousand. That's going
to be pretty attractive for teams. So on the one hand, you could
say he's not getting starter money, and that's true, so teams may not
feel obligated to give him a ton of opportunity. But on the other hand,
he has earned it with his play, so he's playing for that next
contract, and I think teams are going to really want him and appreciate him.
So I think in general that's something this season. I think it's worth
noting that he has been protected pretty well by the Red Wings at even strength,
so he hasn't he hasn't have a super difficult workload, but he has
outperformed it slightly even though he has done even though he was protected really well.
That's at even strength. On the penalty kill. He's gotten really pretty
terrible protection and wildly outperformed that so that volatility being shorthanded, that gap could
close. He could start regressing to being more average, and then his numbers
wouldn't look quite as good. But overall, I still think what Ed said
that he's shown a little bit more. It's interesting to look at these two
goalies in the hockey prospecting model, between Lion and You'll Blumquist. I'm pretty
happy. I'm pretty high on Blunkquist similar to what you are Ryan. He
has up to a forty two percent chance of being an NHLer at this point
in that model with his strong HL season. Lyon has basically been at or
above that level since his D plus one season. Now, I know this
isn't always one hundred percent accurate, but it's interesting just to look back and
compare the two. I still do think Blumquist probably has a brighter future in
the league, though, just based on his draft position and how much the
team invested in him. But I agree with that while I like him,
I wouldn't want him as the main part of the return, and I probably
would have just kept lying because I think he's probably gonna help you sooner.
I also agree that Walker is probably going to get moved and that'll tank his
value. So I'm just not sure that Walker can be as good in a
different system than he is now, but you never know. I think that
it could be, and I also hear a lot of rumors that they might
just want to hold onto him, knows. I think the bottom line is
it's a little bit of a risky move, Ryan, but I think it
could still work out and could regress. He hasn't shown it for that long,
even though he's been more or less good this season. I think Bloomquist
could be the starter sooner than later, and then maybe you're really happy about
that, and Walker could continue to produce. So there's definitely a reasonable scenario
where it all works out. I just would probably rather take Jack's side,
And by the way, we're hopefully going to hear more from Jack. He
is a super smart manager and as you said, leading this division of all
stars, like that's incredible. And I always think about this too. I
don't know if you guys do, but if I'm trading with someone like Jack,
I'm like, I need to be very careful here, because if they're
super sharp, you just want to make sure am I reading this right?
Because if he's willing to do this deal really favoring him right. I once
did a roster doctor with Jack and about halfway, about ten minutes in,
I was like, can we flip seats? Can you tell me about my
team? Jack? Because he's a freaking smart guy. Let me make a
little bit of a case to make you feel better about this. Alex Lyon
for the last twelve months has been really good. He's also thirty one years
old, and basically the only time in his career that he has been good
at the NHL level is in the last twelve months. He's played the majority
of his games there. He's pretty much been a career backup for a long
time, and now, at age thirty one, there's a breakout. How
much do you believe in it? I've got him on another team. I
like the guy, fine, but you've just got nine years younger in goal,
and you have potentially the future goalie of the Pittsburgh Penguins, who,
hopefully Kyle Dubis will get them back someday. And you got four years younger
at defense, and heck, from looking at the other deals you made,
you had room in your or. You needed to make room in your prospect
system, so you dealt an extra one from your system. Not terrible?
Am I trying to set you up to be nice to me now that we're
going to get to my trades? Maybe? But yeah, I don't think
you. Let's not completely dunk on Ryan here, because I think there's a
rationale to this on the same By the same side, I'm not criticizing what
Jack did here. Makes perfect sense for the guy who's making a run this
year to grab on to alex Lyon and hope for ride the Lion all the
way to a championship. Jesse, I really appreciate that. I really felt
like I was grinding down Jack pretty well in our deal. I had that
same thought Victor of I gotta be careful here, but I guess I could
have pushed a little harder. The trade deadline does crazy things to your brain,
too. I think just knowing you have a very limited amount of time
to in my mind, capitalize on this excellent flash in a pan that Lion
is But hey, we'll be watching now to see if Jack can take the
title on the back of alex Lyon. And that's quite enough for me.
I think the defendant is now going to become the judge and jury as we
hone in on Jesse's trades. I want to be the messages. So Jesse
will start with the deal that you made with Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles, which was
judged as pretty even by the Tidy managers forty five percent voted even, and
then it was twenty nine to twenty six for the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles. Here
Jesse acquired left wing prospect young player Pavel d'orfeyev and center left wing Mason McTavish.
Really exciting player there for veteran left winger Chris Krider. Seems a little
obvious to me why and how this deal happened, Jesse, But why don't
you enlighten us I what happened, just as a general strategic situation is both
in the Tidy and in the original Dynasty. I took a look at my
teams near the deadline. I'm like, I'm a fringe playoff team. I
ain't winning in Lemieu though in Tidy, I'm also not going to get demoted,
and so it's time for me to start looking at these mid to upper
thirties guys and making moves. It's a falling night. You have to be
you have to get out at the right time. These assets are not going
to become more valuable, and they're never going to be valuable then more valuable
than they are at a deadline with a first place team like the Pittsburgh Mutant
Turtles. So Chris Kreider, thirty three years old, he hits a lot,
He's got that physical profile that you worry how long that can actually last
into the future, picked up two really elite young players. To me,
Mason McTavish was the prize. I was looking for all the young potential future
stars I could get on this team, and in McTavish was a wonderful return
for me as far as I'm concerned. But this is a deal. Whether
you like one side or the other, it was a deal that made sense
for both sides. I feel like from the beginning, I don't think either
one of us got ripped off by what happened here. Yeah, in general,
I would agree with that. I think that classically this is a classic
dynasty trade both sides. When long term, I really like McTavish. I
think he could be pretty close to, if not better then Kriid as early
as next season. Probably not. It's probably still going to be Krier,
but I think the gap there is pretty close, and that's what you like
to see McTavish has. He may not have the he hasn't had the bash
so far in the NHL that we've seen that he has a potential for,
but I think he can and in particular, some of his blocks are pretty
good, and I think that once the talent around him raises a little bit
more as we're seeing some of their prospects mature, I think that's going to
be really good. And Doro Fiev is not nothing. He's a pretty decent
prospect, especially the way that Vegas needs players producing on cheap contracts. He's
he's a pretty he's a pretty good playmaker. He can put the puck in
the net, and they're going to need him on his contract situation. So
I like that Kriider, he's still really good, but he's going to be
trending in the other direction. So total classic dynasty trade. That's pretty much
a win for both sides. So I like that a lot. Jesse,
Yeah, I can see it here too, and I'm just fascinated here by
the Fantasy Hockey Life player card that you posted Victor in our show prep here
and his stud rating is eight, so very impressive. Once he gets more
minutes and once Anaheim's roster gets a bit more sorted out, I really think
that McTavish is going to be the best player in this deal. I don't
think we'll see another fifty plus goal season from Chris Crider anytime soon. Hopefully
he can be at Crider level next year, and I think it's likely he
is, especially, you know, once we get a guy like Cutter Gotier
on his line onto the next one for you here, Jesse and Jesse,
I just have a question for you. Are you a Toronto Mate Beliefs fan,
because that's what this deal tells me. Finally, I've been outed,
You've been outed. You are more further north than Toronto, so you do
have that kind of wintry love for hockey, so you of course understand that
the best team to be a fan of is the Toronto Maple Leafs. Oh
my gosh, I'm never going to live this down. Nope, you heard
it here first, folks. Jesse acquired Leif's prospect goaltender Artur Aktyamov, left
winger Matthew Nie who is currently playing with Matthews and Marner. That's a nice
little pickup. And the center Oliver Moore, not of the Toronto Maple Leafs,
but still a good player again from the London Spider Knights, a frequent
trade partner. Here for you for starting goaltender for the Florida Panthers Sergey Bobrovski
and prospect forward Rafael Levois with the Edmonton Oilers. Another deal where the tidy
managers feel it's even a majority of managers actually fifty two percent saying even with
the kind of individual votes skewing towards the London Spider Knights walk us through selling
Bobrovski here Jesse and getting some exciting prospects in return. Well, again,
I was putting on the block the veteran guys who I felt like were only
going to decline a value. I think the fact that I got multiple Toronto
guys back probably had more to do with the guy I was dealing with having
a lot of young Trino players and those were the attractive pieces on his team.
But nys In Akiyamov, but Oliver Moore too. Oliver More actually was
by no means an afterthought in this deal. He was a core piece to
me. I was very excited thinking back to what we learned about him in
the last draft cycle. So yeah, I was looking to rebuild. This
was my prospect system was absolutely bereft. I started this thing with nothing in
my prospect system, and my goal was guys with a three and a crooked
number by their name to move off my roster for valuable players that would stack
my minors, And in this played into that. I think I've got guys
who are going to be able to contribute for the long term. In bobrovski
is he has been great, but there will come a time when he is
not anymore. And again, like the first guy Pittsburgh, he's got eight
hundred more points than anybody else in the league, and if he wins it,
he leaves the league. So he's got trading for Chris. Trading for
Chris Crider makes perfect sense for him. That's such a win because all he
has to do is win. London was the London Spider Knights were right on
the verge of the playoffs, so getting a good goalie really shored up his
situation and I think he was willing to basically for him, he's hoping to
win, and it's Bobroski for Knis and then you hope that you cash out
and none of the rest of it matters. Yeah, I have to say
it this way, JESSI the Nies have it. Getting Matthew Nyes was clearly
the main part of the plant. No, I'm just kidding, but I
do. I like both sides here. I like the Spider Knights getting Bob.
I think that, like you said, obviously that's going to help two
more years at ten million, his job is pretty safe. Personally, I
would rather have a bunch of goalies the way that it is in the tidy,
and this is true for some weeks we don't have roster games played limits
on goalies, and so getting a lot of goalies that did start and provide
some points, it's pretty hard to go negative in the tidy, so that's
a real bonus. Bob getting over eight points per game is ridiculous and certainly
going to help. I like to headge On just more middling goalies. Lyon
is one of them that I have, and it's it's a really it's different
strategies, but I could totally see it because if you can get that many
points out of one goalie that starts a lot, that's really worth it.
Okayamov certainly looks like he could be great, and I think the other thing
we were joking about you being a leaf scan But the bottom line is that
even if he doesn't really fully pan out, there's always going to be interest
in Leaf's prospects, so you could probably trade him for something, even if
it's not amazing, So that's always nice. I think NY's has been really
underrated this year. He has been really good. People forget sometimes that he's
still really young. He's only twenty one. He's been twenty one most of
this season. He was older for his draft class. Maybe he's a little
bit more mature. He's got really low time on ice, just over fourteen
minutes, no power play time. But if you look at his even strength
expected goals, he's in the top one hundred of NHL forwards and just individual
expected goals four for six yet even strength, that's incredible. The names that
he's around, a lot of them are superstars or top top players in the
league, so that's really good. I think the praise is really high for
him. I think his upside is really good, especially if he continues to
click with Matthews, Marner or any of the top sixers there in Toronto,
which it seems like he's locked into, and then eventually he'll get power play
time and his Fantasy points will I'm sure jump up closer to six or something
like that, So that'll be really good for him in terms of all over
more, I think it's a good get for the future. I don't know
that he's going to play for with Badard, which is obviously the hope of
anyone in the Chicago system, but either way, I think that he will.
He's going to play a lot, and he's been really good so far
this season at the University of Minnesota. That transition is sometimes a little tough,
but he's been nearly a point per game thirty one points in thirty three
games. That's pretty awesome. His FHL player card shows that his bash is
a little bit sub average. It's mainly because of its hits, which are
really low. His blocks and shots are actually pretty good, and I think
he's someone who's going to drive play, so he'll he'll probably get a good
Fenwick there for you, So I really like that and I think that some
of those points may or may not translate, but if they do, you're
going to be They're going to be laughing. So totally get this one from
both sides. And I personally would I like the Nies more side, just
because of the way that I value goalies. I tend to have more of
a committee than a volume stud But I if you like that type, then
it totally makes sense to get Bob as well. So Victor, you're saying
it was a mistake for me to trade away Alex Lyon, that's what you're
saying. I like that kind of guy. He's my kind of goalie.
He's someone that you didn't have to invest a lot in and get starts and
can provide pretty good value and you don't have to. I think it's all
about cost of acquisition. Look at the cost of acquisition of Bob as opposed
to Lion, which so that's how I like to look at it. I
might have messed up, but Jesse, you certainly didn't here And as the
resident Leafs fan on the podcast, I will pick Jesse's return with no critical
thought applied to it beyond that, But I will just add I have a
great feeling about artur At Tiamov and Vyaschi Slav Pexa, who are both Russian
goalies drafted by the Leafs in the past few years. We've watched over the
past i'd say two decades, the goalie school was in Sweden, and then
what was in Finland and we had the best goalies coming from Sweden and then
Finland, and now the best goalies are coming from Russia. And the best
goalies in the NHL right now are Russian. You have Sorokan, you have
Shasterkin, who's had a bit of an off year. You have Vassilevski who's
had a bit of an off year. But these guys are the best and
they all learn in a similar way. They're all facing pro shots when they're
really young, and I think Tiamov and Pexa are in the same mold.
So I don't spend a lot of time watching the Russian leagues. I have
a good feeling about these two guys. So I really do think that Jesse
came out with a real winner here. Speaking of great Russian players, this
last deal from Jesse is a big one, involves the best Russian player to
ever play the game. The Russian machine who until this year never broke Alex
Ovechkin. Jesse acquired a goaltending prospect from the Detroit repping Sebastian Kosa, who
we mentioned earlier in the Lion discussion, right winger Jimmy Snuggerrud, who is
going to be a great player as soon as next year in the NHL from
the London Spider Nights once again for Alex Ovechkin, with tidy managers again voting
this pretty even at sixty two percent, with the individuals being pretty even.
For you, guys, I don't blame you for moving on from Ovechkin this
year, Jesse. We moved on from Pavelski and he was actually playing pretty
well. Ov has picked it up recently, which I'm sure is maybe annoying
to you. Do you think you got enough back for him in Kosa and
snugger Rud. Sometimes you make the trades you can with the people you can
for the assets they have in a vacuum. Could I put together a group
of players who I might like more? Maybe? But the thing with Ovechkin
not that one would ever panic from arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time,
whether he could potentially bounce back, but he had just broken an eight
game scoreless streak goalless streak right before this, and things are looking a little
bit dire for Ovechkin. He's looking a little bit mortal, and in a
league like this, it's really hard to convince people to buy high on a
guy who is starting to look mortal. Jimmy Snuggerot is looking great. He's
going to have the bash, I believe as he comes up and really has
blossomed as a prospect. Kosa. Again, this is the same league I
traded Bobrovski and I acquired Akiyamov and Kosa. So that's my future goalie tandem
at this point to go with. Here's how bad it is Yukapeka, Lucan
and Darcy Kemper. So it's I gotta build something here on the defense,
and that's part of what I'm going to try to do so Ovechkin. This
is the time to deal with Vekin. Dealing him next year doesn't help the
deal that I could get from the people who were able to make a play
for him. This was the one that I thought was the best option.
I think Wevechkin's value is only going to go down next year. I'm not
going to win this year. I'm probably not going to win next year.
So it's time to make the deal at the deadline when his value is going
to be the highest. I think it was maybe even the time to sell
him last year, but certainly not waiting any longer. It's the time to
trade ov that and that must have been hard. I know that you're a
fan, not only of him but the team. I think that's it.
But absolutely getting Snuggy with it is the way to go right here. Jimmy
Snuggerud is a really underrated star prospect. I would say people are not really
giving him his due. Man, that guy is amazing. You might look
at this season and say he went from fifty points in forty games last season
to just thirty one and thirty three. But the guy lost not only Logan
Cooley, who was almost two points per game, not only Matthew Nyes who
was really incredible over a point per game. He also lost Jackson Lacombe,
who was almost a point per game as a defenseman in that league, and
Brock Favor. All these guys from the University of Minnesota Ryan Johnson that were
gone. So this team is nowhere near as good as it was last season,
and he's basically still doing his thing point per game. That's pretty incredible.
He was awesome at the World Junior Championships at times taking turns with some
of the other stars in that American team, you know, looking like the
best player on the team. So yeah, he's great. And yeah,
you know, looking at the NHL player card, you can see that his
bash is rated as a ten. At a ten, most of that is
driven by his shots, but his hits and blocks are pretty darn good too.
So you got a super high scoring upside with a strong perferle floor.
I don't know what else can you ask for, and in the tidy penalized
for minor penalties and he doesn't do that very much, so that's even better.
Yeah, I think you got an awesome player there. Sebastian Kosa.
We have talked about him a little bit. And it's funny right now looking
at the hockey prospecting model of the Detroit goalies because Cosa and Augustine have essentially
the same equivalency right now, which is funny considering where they were drafted,
but also really good for the Red Wings because they have two strong goalie prospects
that could do really well. They have whoso who may turn things around and
lie and who has found goals. They seem like they're doing pretty well in
goal and there's some teams out there that seem like they have no starting goalie
now for the future, it's nice to have several options. But yeah,
I really like this for I think it's pretty balanced, even as it was
rated. I really think that these were some good trades for you, Jesse.
And as you mentioned, you do the trades you cannot assari of the
ones you want. I remember when you first came to me, You're like,
I wanted this is my plan. I want to do all of this,
And I thought you were talking about one big trade to get all and
you all the guys you listed is coming in and all the guys you listed
coming out, And I was like, man, if you could do all
of this is amazing. This is like a massive win. And I don't
think they all exactly worked out, but a lot of them did. And
I think that's how you have to set it up. Let's look at everything
I could do, all the pieces I'm willing to move, and if I
could get all these returns. This would turn my team around, and it
absolutely would, So I really elect the overall process. Yeah, I got
to say the process is the thing that is most impressive to me as well.
I get kind of trade paralysis when I'm in this situation, and I
think we could have been in very similar positions, Jesse making similar trades here.
I just I really love how you were able to just recognize you weren't
going to win this year, but you also weren't going to get relegated.
How can you improve for the long term? And I would make the exact
same deal with Ovechkin. And I think it's important to remember you drafted Ovechkin
last year and he gave you a point per game per production with great hits,
great bash and forty plus goals last season. If it had ended up
with you being more of a competitor, that would have been a great play
to make. And then now is the time to move on from him.
Well done, I think. And now, Victor, if you thought you
could get away without judgment, you would be sorely mistaken, because Jesse and
I can now get the knives out and start to carve up your deals.
I teased last week at the end of our previous episode that you've given up
and absolutely hate the games of Simone Edvinson, Thomas Bordelo, cam Yorke,
matt Vey, Mitchikov, and Moore. You did get some good stuff in
return, though, So let's dive in here. The first deal with one
if Byram two if Byfield is a straight up swap one for one, Victor
acquiring Jacob truba of the New York Rangers and Byron Byfield acquiring Simon Edvinson of
the Detroit Red Wings. What do you think, Victor, You've been pretty
high on Edvonson. I know, and I know you watch a lot of
him, and I'm sure your Detroit listeners are sweating. Now take us to
the process of making this deal. Yeah, so this is with Fred,
who's the manager here. I've known Fred for a long time in various leagues,
and so I think all these things help when you know someone. Trubeau
was definitely my target, with such a high points per game, and he's
the captain, He's not going anywhere, He's getting tons of ice time.
I knew I could rely on him the rest of the season, except when
he got suspended. That was annoying. But those kinds of things happened with
him. But I also knew that I need to give something good. I'm
not going to just give him some schmuck player. I was trying to look
at this win as a win. I am high on Edmonson. I'm super
frustrated with what Eierman did this offseason to bring in a bunch of defensemen to
basically block his path, and how he's stayed in the miners. Basically,
I think longer than he's needed to. He's been good in. Yeah,
you're not a Justin Hall guy. Let's not go on too much of a
detour here, but if you look at if you look at the expected goals
and Fenwick numbers of those defensemen that he brought in, they are generally quite
poor. Dick Wollman is decent, and Gossipspear has his moments, but Hall,
Petrie, you know, Sharat, No, they're not driving play.
And I would say I had this argument with someone about Kane, and my
point about Kane is that I didn't think that was a bad signing. I
just didn't think that was their priority. Their priority was the fact that he's
I don't think he got the right defenseman in there, and I'm not sure
that he even needed to, because Edmondson when he's played, has been better
than all and Petrie and even Sharot at times. I know Sharrot brings other
things and they like his grit and physicality. But anyways, no, I
do think that Edmondson is still has some pretty high upside his FHL player card.
His BASH is disappointing compared to what we're used to, but I think
that's not I don't think that's all lost. I think that he's been asked
to do some different things in the AHL, and overall the results are good.
He's over a half point per game. If you combine both of his
seasons in the AHL, the last season and this season almost one hundred games.
That's pretty darn good. His scoring is going to translate. I'm sure
of that he'll have a strong peripheral floor. Maybe it won't be elite like
Truba, but I think that's what it comes down to. There's a reasonable
chance that Vonson turns into a Trouba type player, and from Fred's perspective,
that could be as early as next season, and that could last for years
if he doesn't end up getting promoted, so he has a long window and
Truba, I think from my perspective, I'm not trying to push my chips
in all this season. I'm trying to give myself a window of at least
a couple of years, two three years, And I think Truba does that
because he's not going to be cooked after this season either. So it's a
window play. I'm extending my window a little bit and Fred's extending his window
by a lot and delaying it a little bit. What do you think does
he Yeah, I think it's a fair deal. Evanson's the shine's a little
bit off compared to where we thought he was a couple of years ago,
I feel like, but he's still going to be an excellent defenseman. You
have to give value to get value. But Jacob Truba is an excellent return
and yeah, when you're within striking distance, you got to take that shot
and Truba could help you to get there. Yeah. I totally get it
here too. If you're acquiring Edvonson like Fred was, you're hoping he turns
into Truba. So if you're trying to win now like you were, it
makes perfect sense. I think for me, I'm a little surprised that Fred
didn't try to get more out of you, and I think maybe the listeners
also agree based on the voting being skewed towards the Trouba side. But there
you haven't next. This is an interesting kind of sequence of deals that you
made here, Victor, and involves a player who in our other shared league,
our other shared dynasty league, the Triple D. You ended up dropping
and buying out this player, saying we all knew it would end this way.
So you acquired goaltender Martin Jones of the Toronto Maple leafs now behind Joseph
Wall and Ilia Samsonov in the crease and left wing Brad mar shand from Storm
Warning for defenseman cam Yorke and winger Jonathan Huberto. It's important to mention that
this deal happened at the height of the Jones supremacy and the Maple leafs crease.
I even picked him up in Kakupful around this time. He had five
quality starts in his past seven games at this time, so I get why
you picked him up. It was also before Huberto steadied himself finding a place
on a line with Sharon Govic and at times Kuzmenko. So how does this
deal come together in your mind? Yeah, I think that's actually Martin Jones's
official middle name. We all knew it would end this way, so yeah,
that's I knew that going into it. This was when Jones was getting
all the volume with Wall and Simpson off both hurt, and I was like,
yes, I want him now. I always had one foot out the
door, so to speak with him, or one foot kicking him out the
door maybe is a better way of saying it. I knew that was going
to happen, but I wanted him for the time. The goalies that are
playing and are basically free value because there's no games playing limit, I think
are really valuable in the untidy. So I wanted that, and I really
wanted Marshan. I wanted something to increase. He's my points per game and
both these guys I almost doubled between with this deal my points per game on
average, which was good. I Huberto is having a renaissance, and I
actually this one was pre planned as well because last season when he was doing
so terribly, and last season was funny because I both pushed my chips in
and then I pulled him back out at the last minute when I didn't make
the playoffs, and one of the pieces I pulled back was Huberto, and
I knew that his stock was never going to be lower after last season.
It was just so bad, and so I knew that he was gonna get
better. I didn't know that it'd be quite this good. But I'm also
not really a firm believer in him long term. I don't think anyone really
thinks he'll get back to his Florida peak. But I also am not sure
how much higher it'll be than what he's doing now, which is still only
for fantasy points per game in this setup. I wanted to move on from
him York. I do really like York. I think he's a good player.
I think he's way more effective at even strengthen some people give him credit
for they think he's just an offensive defenseman. I don't think that's true.
I think he's shown he can play in towards system. He's shown he can
be strong defensively. But I also think that he's probably not as offensively gifted
and destined to run the power play in Philly forever. So I was a
little bit okay moving off of that, But overall, I kind of like
these players, but I knew that York and Huberto anyways that I'd be okay
moving on from it. I just wanted for Jones in particular. I wanted
those points now and Marshawan, I just wanted that ceiling, and I was
okay knowing that his window is not very long, because I think my team's
window in this league is not very long. So if I don't win it
this year, next year, I'm going to have to really rethink some things.
What do you think, Jesse, Yeah, I think it makes sense.
As the guy who actually talked Victor into adding Martin Jones in the league,
and I like when I mentioned him, I was hoping Victor wouldn't throw
something at me. I feel I was involved in getting Victor back on the
Jones train. Who would have known that Martin Jones would ever disappoin This deal
makes perfect sense, And talk about two guys who have put a horrible taste
in the mouths of fantasy managers over the years, Martin Jones and Jonathan Huberto
in the last couple of years. Just from the value perspective, I think
what happened here was fine. The Jones thing obviously did not turn out the
way I'm sure you would have hoped at that time. But Brad Marshawn,
if you're going to make a run right now is a great pick, And
yeah, I think you're but it's only going to last so long, so
it was a great win now move. Yeah, I think getting out from
Huberto under Huberto is a pretty smart move generally. And I just I have
to say, I feel like I'm sitting at the learning tree here with you
guys, because just hearing Victor talk about Okay last season, I knew that
that Huberto was never going to be worse than this, and you were right.
He's not one hundred and twenty point player, but he's also not a
forty point player either. He's going to increase his value and so holding on
to him in a time where you could have easily just let him go,
this is great asset management here. Marshawn is certainly the better piece for someone
trying to win right now and in the next two years. And yeah,
cam Yorke tough to give that player up, but like you said, it's
looking more and more like he'll be a solid, if not impressive guy.
That's some value in this league, but maybe not as much as we maybe
thought earlier this season when he was the only power play option in towards his
system. So that's a good one. I've been going in chronological order so
far with each of our deals, but I'm going to break it up here
because we want to close the loop on Jones, who you tease that you
did end up moving on from, and you dumped him in this most recent
deal that you did in the tidy Yes, you sent away Martin Jones and
center Thomas Bordelow, prospect and occasional player with the San Jose Sharks right now
for loss and Kraus on the Arizona Coyotes, the rugged winger. So you
had Jones for a total of five days, and in those five days he
kicked back three of his worst performances of the year, and it makes sense
to get out from under him, certainly. The real question for me here
is have you given up on Thomas Bordelow? I thought he was your guy.
No, I haven't given up on Bortilo. But yeah, that was
funny with Jones. I wanted to say I got exactly what I wanted out
of him, But you're right it wasn't exactly what I wanted, because I
wanted it was at least a few of those good performances. But I also
was like, I'd rather rip the rugout before it gets worse. Or what's
happened now is that samsonof and Wall are healthy and he's I don't know,
I don't know what he is. He might as far as storm Warning is
concerning, maybe he or sorry this is for this went to Portland Pirates for
the Pirates. Why not take on a goalie who maybe he is resurrecting his
career. Maybe he does find another spot Eulse sohere. I don't think it'll
be in Toronto, but maybe he's shown enough now that he can be okay
again and there's some value there. But yeah, Portilow, No, I
think I will miss him. I think he's a really decent player. He's
a good part of this trade for the Pirates, and he's twenty two now,
he's basically knocking on the door. I think the Sharks have just had
him in the HL because they want him to just really thrive, and he
has had some NHL time and he's looked okay. I think that they're just
waiting on him a little bit longer. I do think that he's going to
be probably more of a middle six, But I think the question is can
he really be that two C, and I think he can. I think
he's really uber talented with his passing, And the question is, just as
he's strong enough, is he strong enough to play against some of the best
players, And I think the jury's still out on that because he's been a
little bit overwhelmed physically at times when I've seen him in the NHL. But
he's also pretty feisty and really positions himself well, even though he's a smaller
forward. So I think he's going to be a part of this team the
Sharks moving forward, and they should be much better. I don't know how
they could be worse than they have been in these last few years, so
they will start to trend up, and I think being able to flex him
up and down for that time will be really nice. Looking at his FHL
player card, his bash is actually pretty good. He might not think that,
but between the shots and the blocks, it's pretty decent, and the
hits aren't nothing. He doesn't hit a ton, but it's closer to average,
so that's nice. He doesn't take a ton of penalties, and his
points upside is pretty high. I remember too that Bortelow's a face off wizard,
so if that's something that's counted in your leagues, you really want to
have that. But looking at Mason black Spider graph, his blocks are actually
pretty really high for a forward, so that's nice he's clocking in at that
second line potential. No, I think Bordelo's a really good piece. Krause,
though, is just really solid, and the five points per game,
he has a really solid floor of those hits, block shots, the bash
is really good with krows, even though he doesn't get a ton of time
on ice, and he scores every now and then. But I think the
other key factor that I always think about. I always have in mind who
are the teams that have the most off nights, And Arizona has a fair
number. So that's a factor for me because just being able to fit him
into your lineup. Plus he's left the right wing, so that roster flexibility
of Krause is huge, And as much as I like Portolow, I've already
had a bit of a hard time fitting everyone I want in my center slot.
That was also a little bit of the calculus is that I really like
Portolo and I will like to be able to flex him up and down,
but I'm not sure how much I'll even be able to because the Sharks often
just play on busy nights and he's center only. So anyways, that was
all part of it. I think Portland got a good player, but I'm
happy with my side, and I think Krause will continue to be what he
is for at least a few more seasons, so I'm good with that.
What about you, Jesse, Yeah, this is another good all in trade.
Bortolou has the variance coming up in the future. Maybe he'll be really
great, maybe he'll just be just something kind of average ish. But Las
and Kraus is going to give you well above average points for the near term.
That's going to help you to make your run. So I think that's
fine for you. But it's not a bad trade for Portland. The floor
completely fell off with Martin Jones, so that's just fine. But Bordelo Bordilo
a decent return. If you didn't think that Lost and Krafts was in your
long term plans. Yeah, I really love this deal for you. Victor
Kraus is a great asset for you. I don't think he's worth his original
NHL twenty fifteen draft position at eleven, but he's turned out to be a
fairly useful player in bangers leagues over the last few seasons, and in leagues
like ours where you get points for all sorts of different things, and he'll
contribute to your playoff run and away that Bordelou simply won't. I'm of the
opinion that Bordelau is just a guy, So I think you make out like
a bandit here. There's no sense in tiptoeing around our last deal here.
It's a big one, so buckle up, listeners as we take you home
with this deal between the Capricens and Victor. The Caprice Sons acquire Jamie Drysdale,
Gabriel Landeskog, Spencer Knight, Valeri Nachushkin, and Matt Van Mitchkov from
Victor for two players our Terry Lecanon of the Colorado Avalanche and defenseman Evan Bouchard.
Victor and the Tidy gms have turned on you wholeheartedly on this one,
with eighty two percent preferring the Capricen's return. It might be a lot of
Mitchkov and Flyers fans in our community wondering if maybe Hook and Scramble maybe got
some of his buddies onto the discord to vote for this one. Lots of
big names moving here, and where do we even start when you have names
like Landeskog, Natchushkin, Drysdale, Bouchard. What was the focus here for
you? Victor? I think it's a little tricky trading Mitchkov in this format.
There's no question. I think a lot of us think he's going to
be a star, but that's going to be at least a couple more seasons
after this, and that weight is tough and tidy, right, because you're
always looking at promotion, relegation. And so I shopped him to a couple
of people and there was some mild interest. But I thought that I would
just throw a bunch of pieces together and try to consolidate into the high upside
as, a high upside as I could get. So if you look at
these pieces individually, Landeskog, it seemed like maybe he'll play again, but
there's question marks there. I'm not convinced. And Spencer Night he's been burning
a roster spot a lot of the time that I've had him, and I
still think that he can be good, but it is not for sure,
and so those are two kind of question marks that I don't know about Natchushkin.
I mean, at this point, I wish I had him still because
he looks like he's going to be playing and be doing well. But we're
on the sat where the way we're recording this, we're on the Saturday after
the first matchup, so he did not help me. He would not have
helped me in this first matchup, which is against Pish, by the way,
we talked about last week, and it's been it's been tough right now.
I'm barely leading. Actually Pish that messaged me yesterday conceding that he'd already
lost, and I'm like, nobody, you don't get to do that yet.
It's only Friday. There's no way I'm counting this as a dub already,
but it is. It would have been nice to have him moving forward
in my ir, but I knew that I had to give him. I
was focused on. I think one of the highest points upside you can get
in this format is a super high scoring, high peripheral defenseman. So I
was focused on Bouchard and this was basically the package it took to get him.
I think it was nice to get lecinon back, who's basically been similar
to Nachushkin, and I got him for a few weeks beforehand, so that
was nice while Natchushkin was out. So basically I was looking to replace Ninachushkin
or a high end winger. And then the last piece we haven't talked about
is Drysdale. And Drysdale was another one that was just like what happened with
Huberto last year. You know, he was injured and the team that was
going, I can't remember who, it might have been Crafts or somebody who
got promoted, you know, dumped Drysdale on me, and I was like,
yeah, I'll take him all. You know, I got nothing to
lose, and you know, I knew that he still had some upside and
he's, you know, looks like he might be around a four or five
point per game defenceman in this format, which is pretty decent. But I'd
much rather take Bouchard, who's double that. And I think Bouchard is going
to continue to be this for and so I think that the upside there is
really high so this was I'd rather also consolidate roster spots if I can in
general, so that's what this did for me. Bouchard was consolidated into one
super high end asset from a few that I think are pretty decent. I
don't think I sent Simoon anyone who was bad. That's the other thing.
Simon is a shoe trader. I knew that he would be hard to get
Bouchard from. He's not going to let him go for just nothing. Simon
also a delight to talk to in person, by the way, got to
meet him when I went to my Vancouver meetup. Super good guy and we
have a relationship there and there's a lot of respect. I knew that he
was gonna take He would only take a good package to get him, so
I knew that I had to give. Those were all the pieces that it
took to get it done. We'd moved some pieces around. I thought about
pushing for more, like some miners, eligible guys or something, but I
also didn't want to push it. These are the two high end assets I
wanted Lecanon and Bouchard. And yes, Mitchkoff eventually will be amazing. Hopefully
I won't be in the league by then, and that's the thing. Torpedoes
be damned. If I'm and by Torpedo the other Tidy managers. If I
can pull off this win against Pish, if I have a chance to get
promoted, and especially because these two are going to be good next year,
so I'll continue to be in contention. And if I can get promoted,
then if I'm still in this league and Mitchkoff is destroying me week the week,
then I'll be sad. But if I can get promoted before that happens,
then I'll call it a win. That's exactly what I was gonna This
is what the Tidy does. As far as trade values. It's a little
bit different in maybe enables trades that wouldn't work in other league formats. If
you win, you beam up, man, nothing matters anymore. You walk
toward the light, you know you're gone. And others can deal with this.
But boy, I both look at this and say, gosh, I
wish that I had you in my division, because I so would have made
a trade like this with you, the same way that the Shimone did.
Because but on the other hand, I love everything you did. I do
not trust in Nishushkin. This is a guy who the off I stuff could
take him out of the playoffs at any time. You can't rely on this
guy to win your league this year. Landskaig is a completely distressed asset who
knows if he'll ever be anything again. Spencer night Sky high upside and yet
you know, also way out of the limelight. Now, Jamie Drysdale such
an intriguing throw in. But Matt Fay Mitchikoff. I went so hard at
match Matt bay Mitchikoff in the league that were that you were showing my trades
from earlier, and I just could not get him no matter what I threw
out there. So you threw five intriguing pieces back consolidation distressed assets. But
the guys you got, you're absolutely right. If it pushes you one one
point over the top, that's worth everything. You can trade everything on your
roster if it takes you one point over the top, because next year doesn't
matter. And like you said, Buchhard's only twenty four years old. That's
a future piece. That's not a win. That's not Chris Kreider, that's
you know, that's not Josh Morris. This is a guy who absolutely could
last a long time and could thrive on this team for a long time.
So yeah, if your windows this year and next year, I don't see
Landeskog, Knight, Mitchikoff, even Drysdale doing much for you next year.
And who knows about Nishushkin. I'd rather have an end of those two.
Buschard is going to be a star for you next year. So this makes
complete sense for both teams as far as I'm concerned, because you are going
all in, You've made multiple trades. You didn't just do one. If
this had been done in a vacuum and you were like the five seed and
this was the only trade you made, I'd say, what do you I
don't know, Victor, I don't know if I would have done that.
But when you think you can push yourself over the top man, and you're
making several trades to go all in, why not Jesse. I'm going to
piggyback on your thought here that Bouchard is not just a future piece. Evan
Bouchard in the Tidy this year is in the top ten of per game fantasy
point scoring with eight point twenty seven. At the present moment, he is
the second best defenseman in the tidy only second to Cale mccarr, which I
think makes a lot of sense. And so, yeah, you've acquired the
best piece right now, the best piece for the future, and all you
had to do was give up five players who, all for various reasons,
are like the question Mark Blocks and Super Mario Brothers. Right now, Jamie
Drysdale is injured again. I feel like this is a recording at this point.
Gabriel Landeskog might not have the knee cartilage necessary to play a game like
hockey anymore. We've seen him skating a little bit, but from what I've
read about his injury, it's no treat to play with that level of pain.
Spencer Knight and Valeria Nuchushkin are both in and out of the player Assistance
program for various reasons. Who knows, I agree with Jesse, who knows
if Nichushkin will even be available for you at the time that you're looking to
beat Pish right now, And he wouldn't have been certainly. And then mattve
Mitchkov is just an ephemeral interesting player. We don't really know when he's going
to be here. We know he's probably going to be pretty good but again
it's not going to help you right now. So you moved five question blocks
for the best player, one of the best players in the league. So
how can anyone look down on that deal? In my opinion, well,
apparently a lot of the tidy managers can. And did you see a lot
of exciting names. I think in the like two or three seconds that you're
thinking about the deal before you click. And I think, while it is
great data for us to be collecting and to have, and I think it's
worth the time that it takes to get those polls up, I do think
that in this case the poll is incorrect. And I think anyone who's listening
to this episode will be probably like, oh, yeah, I was wrong,
or at least it makes sense. It makes sense. I think when
you look at these poles too, you're off inclined to pick a winner,
whereas if you really think about it, probably most of them are just even.
It's fun to have. It's fun to pick a winner, and that's
it's a little bit maybe soft to say, oh, it's just everything's fair,
everything's even, so it drives you to pick one, which is cool.
But yeah, I think if we when we talk it out oftentimes he's
end up being a little bit more even than the polls suggest, and that
you got to remember the the clientele here too. These are people who love
prospects, Matt bay Mitschkopf, and that just makes you want to click that
side. And it's easy to miss, how somehow in my mind, sometimes
it's easy to miss the greatness of Epen Buchhard right now and what he's able
to do with the Edmonton Oilers and Spencer Night Jamie Drysdale. This is one
at two years ago, if you would have looked at this would have been
such a ridiculous slam dunk that Victor probably would have had to give up the
podcast had he made the trade based on the values of that time. But
this is a different era. Evan Bouchard is established and some of these other
guys to shine has come off. And I think it's a great that's a
great point that you've mentioned there, Jesse. These the perspectives on these players
change year over year. If you were to drop this episode into maybe two
years ago of hearing you guys talk about someone like Thomas Bordolou or like William
Ecklin and how great the san Jose Sharks are going to be we would be
having a different conversation right now. So the perspectives on these players change even
quicker than year over year, I would say month over month, week over
week even I really love this deal for you, Victor. And here we
are, and we've made it to the end of the mountain of trades here
ten trades. We've gone a little longer, I think than we usually do.
So thanks for sticking with us, fair listener, And to Victor,
why don't you take us out here? Yeah, I was just going to
say you can have the podcast when you probably from my cold end fingers.
I'm not going up. He's not going anywhere, folks. Hey, another
argument about why Veto's are evil because maybe two years ago people wouldn't have known
Matt Bay Mitchkoff were how high he was going to assent. But nonetheless,
you get my point. This is why Vito's shouldn't happen, because things can
change. And yeah, here we are at the end of our tidy Takes
segment, and thanks for joining us here as we went through a whole host
of trades. And I'm sure the guys have more for you coming up after
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