1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:13,400 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life presented by fan Tracks. Here your source of information 2 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:17,199 and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Block Off hot a 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:23,800 step hat on staylock Block. Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and Victor Nuno 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,719 NFC Hockey Live that act once again, Talk Manta See Hockey. It is 5 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:34,119 Jesse Severe from fan Tracks, and over there it's Victor Nuno of EP Ringside. 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,640 Victor, how you doing. I'm doing great, Jesse, it is, 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,679 And I'm gonna thick of all the playoff matchups right now. It's it's 8 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:45,799 that nail biting, that pining over every hit, block shot, all the 9 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:48,600 stuff we love and hate at the same time. How are you doing? 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Yes, it is all of those things. And Victor, we are trying 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,079 so hard to win in our common team and it's not looking good. Victor, 12 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:00,399 I'm not gonna lie to yet. It's not looking good, but it's 13 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:06,000 not impossible. But it's not looking good at this point. It looked way 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,159 worse earlier in the week. And in fact, it was funny because my 15 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,719 buddy Kevin is who we're against, is the one who helps out with some 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,200 of the show prep, and it was fun seeing him in person, and 17 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:19,040 it was his birthday recently have a birthday, keV, And it was just 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,200 like, man, you are smoking us. It is not even close. 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,159 And then in the next few days we turned it around a little bit, 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,799 but it still looks unlikely. I would say that we're gonna win. But 21 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:34,680 yeah, it's gonna be an interesting Saturday. They're saying there's a chance, 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,040 so you're saying there's a chance. That's right, that's right. We're hoping 23 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,400 for the best, Victor. Victor, I would say we're gonna have some 24 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,719 excitement today, but before we get to that, we need to talk about 25 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:51,000 the place people can go to check out all the fantasy hockey talk. Right 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,959 now, you and I were talking playoffs. We're excited. We're like you 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,280 say, we're down to every hit and every block, and so are many 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,400 others. And you need a place. 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And if you want to take your relationship to the 37 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,360 next level, you can pop into the Patreon and victor, what are all 38 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,360 the cool things going on over there? We just had a massive update with 39 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:47,360 the Patreon and that is our Fahl player cards and I'm so excited. We 40 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:52,919 launched these last weekend after the episode. Thanks so much to Brandon who has 41 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,159 helped with all the visualizations and poorting these over to the website. Yes, 42 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,840 they're all available on the website to the Ultra lifeers and so if you are 43 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,719 already a Ultra Lifer you should have access. If you don't, let me 44 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,360 know if you want access to these really cool cards where you can see hits, 45 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:13,080 block shots and points upside, minor penalties, all kinds of cool stuff. 46 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,280 Heart's to hard stuff to find, then you can do that at Patreon 47 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,639 dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. I should also mention that Jason helped with 48 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,439 a lot of the data background on that, So thanks to those guys. 49 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:27,199 And there's more stuff, but you can. We're gonna talk about the Tidy 50 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,719 today. That's a patron perk for next year. We're going to be opening 51 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:31,759 up a new division, so you can get on the waiting list for that. 52 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:38,319 And there's all kinds of other things including roster doctors and Patron Priority Channel 53 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:40,919 Patron casts, which we'll be doing I believe next week or a couple weeks 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,560 from now. But yeah, lots of great stuff, Patreon dot com, 55 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:50,800 slash Fantasy Hockey Life, you darn right, and right after this Victor's discussion 56 00:03:51,439 --> 00:04:00,080 right after well, now it's time for another edition of High and this is 57 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,960 a special one because it's not just the Admiral and myself. We have Jesse 58 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:12,400 on as well, and Ryan appropriately named this show a whole host of trades, 59 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,800 So let's bring in our Tidy Admiral to discuss these. Hi do Ryan, 60 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,879 I'm well Victor, and hello Jesse. It's good to have you with 61 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:24,399 us here today. Normally we have a period of time where we chit chat 62 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:27,839 here at the top, but we do not have the time today. We 63 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,399 simply do not have the time. We're gonna cut it today and we're gonna 64 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:34,199 get right to the suite accountability that our listeners have been craving. But before 65 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,920 that, probably we should hear Jesse's voice and see how he's doing. So, 66 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:42,560 how are you, Jesse. That's some pro podcasting. Yeah, surprise 67 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,560 everybody. I'm here. I'm still here. I'm lurking. I am going 68 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,160 to be on the stand today, but I will turn over to Ryan to 69 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:55,800 do the interrogation. Yes, we'll be cross examining each of our trades here, 70 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:58,160 and we'll have a bit of a slightly different pace this time, as 71 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:01,120 we have ten trades to get through and not so much time to discuss them. 72 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,480 I know some of you out there might like to listen to a three 73 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,759 hour podcast where we talk about all our trades, but we don't have the 74 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:12,160 time for that today, so we'll keep our analyses relatively simple, short and 75 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,839 sweet. We're going to go in reverse order of the amount of deals here, 76 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,480 and actually we're tied at three with me and Jesse, so we'll start 77 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,839 with me and finally, my month's long plan of doing all of this extra 78 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,040 work, commissioning six different leads leagues at once is going to play out as 79 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,879 I get the official roster doctor experience here, as I get to dissect my 80 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:38,680 own trades on this very podcast you fell for the long Connunio worth it. 81 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Before we dive in here, I do have to shout out my co manager, 82 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,920 Edward Swan, who many of you know in our FHL Discord community. 83 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,160 I actually wasn't supposed to be in the Tier Dynasty League except that Edward needed 84 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:54,759 a co manager, and so Victor put us together and we figured it out 85 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,519 and we actually were able to win our division last year to elevate our team 86 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,079 to the Lord Stanley Division. This year, we finished in twelfth after a 87 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,160 number of challenging injuries to key players as well as some bets on young players 88 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:10,399 that didn't quite pan out. And I'm looking directly at my countryman, Dawson 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,240 Mercer. I have a giant picture next to his mural and Bay Roberts, 90 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,639 and he let me down this year. But we're still kicking and we're hoping 91 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:20,040 to get a decent draft pick for next season to get our championship drive back 92 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,879 on track. Edward and I made three deals this year, the first two 93 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,519 being with our friend Tim Ah who let us know actually the correct pronunciation of 94 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,839 his name, as if we're on South Park here as part of Tim's roster 95 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,160 reconstruction, so we'll dive right in here, guys, the BFPS, which 96 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:42,959 is myself and Edward. We acquired right wing Arthur Khaliev and defenseman Mikhail Sergachev 97 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,560 out for the rest of the season with an injury from Tim. For left 98 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,040 wing right wing Toyvo Travnen, right wing Justin Danforth on Columbus, and center 99 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,720 left wing Vladnimesnikov. It was voted ninety percent for our side acquiring Kaliev and 100 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,040 Sergachev, and from our perspective, this was a way of consolidating some of 101 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,040 our veterans like Tara Vinen and Domestnikov into a can't miss d piece in Sergachev 102 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,879 and a lottery ticket in Kaliya, who could get moved as soon as this 103 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:14,480 upcoming trade deadline by LA for help on their playoff run. This was before 104 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,279 the Sergachev injury, but we were definitely thinking more long term, as we 105 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:19,839 were reasonably certain at the time of this deal that we would be safe from 106 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:24,519 relegation, and indeed we just squeaked out, what do you guys, think 107 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,120 I can see why tim Ah did this as a Sergachev. For Sergachev, 108 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:34,079 I think he's the best piece in the end deal, but he isn't helping 109 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:40,959 anyone this season, and tim is trying to stave off relegation. I think 110 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,439 that this was really good on you guys who recognize this what was going on 111 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,920 in to pounce on a player players who are not either not helping now or 112 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,560 underperforming and could be better in the future. So I think in general this 113 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:59,639 is one of those that probably is good for both sides. I think for 114 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,399 Cali Man, I really wish the Kings would just trade him. It is 115 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,879 so frustrating to watch this guy just flounder away in Los Angeles, and I 116 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,519 know that there's been a lot of spilled ink about him. The bottom line 117 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,399 is when you look at his underlying metrics, they're generally really good. His 118 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,920 raid stats has expected goals for and against, they're all positive. He just 119 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,680 doesn't he doesn't get the minutes. I think it's one of those things where 120 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:28,399 some things that he do, like maybe some small actions or little little plays, 121 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,879 stand out a lot and it limits his ice time, but the overall 122 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,200 impact is generally good. So maybe he's just doing silly turnovers or something that 123 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,720 is really getting in the coaches, getting under his skin. I'm not sure, 124 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,120 but I think he could be decent in a different environment. So I 125 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:48,639 really like the soft bet on him to maybe improve his three point four Fantasy 126 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,159 points per game, which is under a replacement level. There's upside there as 127 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,480 for what timate. God, He's got players that are producing better now. 128 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,559 I'm not really a believer in Tarravineen or in Mestakov in general, but they 129 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,399 do provide some middle depth to the lineup, which I think can be important. 130 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,919 When you can slot someone in and at least get about four fantasy points 131 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:13,639 a game regularly, maybe a little bit more, then that's decent. And 132 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Sergochev certainly wasn't doing that, and Kaliev being scratched half the time isn't really 133 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,960 helping either, so I think that it makes sense for him. Dan Forth 134 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,960 is an interesting piece too. I think he's got a decent floor, and 135 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,240 if he can stay healthy, which has been an issue for him, then 136 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,679 maybe he can increase his points. But I'd be worried about him because he 137 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:35,320 might just get crowded out and columbus and not be able to have some relevance. 138 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,480 I could see why everyone voted for you, Ryan, because I think 139 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:41,200 getting the best player in the deal is generally considered a win. But I 140 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,320 could also see how this is relatively even. What do you think about that, 141 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:48,919 Ryan, Yeah, yeah, that's how we looked at it. From 142 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,039 my perspective. We got ta Vinen in the fifteenth round of our draft. 143 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,679 I think between players like Tanner, Janeo, Riley Smith, Joel Farrabee, 144 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,039 guys with some question marks perhaps about the consistency that they're going to have this 145 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:05,080 season. And then we got Dan Forth in vlad Domesticov for free. So 146 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,120 it's I think for us it's good acid management. We're able to turn him 147 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,759 into Sergachev, so I think we're pretty happy with that. Yeah, I'll 148 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:18,279 just interject I think he might have dropped Dan fourth after that, so I'm 149 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,799 not sure. Dan Forth was the key driver for Tim ay Here. He 150 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,399 was a nice I have him on a roster. He was a nice guy 151 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,559 you could flex up and down throughout the season because he was under that hundred 152 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,840 game limit for a long time and just a reliable three and a half point 153 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,159 player you could send up. But really, I think the two most fun 154 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,360 players in this deal. You got them both. I'm not a big Toy 155 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Bowl guy, even though I think I acquired him somewhere else. Yeah, 156 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,440 I really think Tim just really wanted some good veterans who can produce some points. 157 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,639 And I think that's the impetus for the deal here. We weren't quite 158 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:52,879 done with Tim at this point, and he wasn't done with us either. 159 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:58,799 A theme had become apparent with Tim's deals by this point, and here's the 160 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,639 opportunity for us to natty plug naturally plug our upcoming episode with Tim. Keep 161 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,320 an eye on those podcast feeds around the Easter season and you'll hear from Tim 162 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,559 himself. The theme that we noticed was that he needed players now, not 163 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,440 next week, not next year. Now. He had just taken over this 164 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,519 team. He didn't have much to work with on the roster. So I 165 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,519 was very happy with what we were able to pull from him in this deal. 166 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,279 And we were voted I should just get it of the way. We 167 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:28,480 were voted ninety two percent to win this deal. Probably not from the first 168 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,919 piece here, goaltender Olivier Rodrigue, the kind of NEPO baby goalie in the 169 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:39,120 Edmonton Oilers system, and then two centers, one who is producing right now 170 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,200 and will produce for a long time in Nikohesher, and the other who has 171 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,080 the potential to produce at a similar level, hopefully Marco Casper. In Detroit. 172 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,320 We acquire Rodrigue Casper at Heescher, and we sent away left wing right 173 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,480 wing Stephen Mason, and the big piece in this deal, I think the 174 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,639 center right wing Joe Pavelski. So as I said, the tidy managers side 175 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,759 with us on this one. This has the trouble with these polls that lack 176 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,440 the context. I think from my perspective, Pavelski is going to help Tim 177 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,320 more now than Hesher, and Nason is a depth piece who can provide him 178 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,919 some scoring. We get Hesher and a pretty good Lotto ticket in Casper, 179 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,559 and then Rodrigue, who I will admit my co manager Edward is a lot 180 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,559 higher on than me for those of you who remember me skewering Rodrigue last week 181 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,519 and indeed two minutes ago in this podcast. We're very happy to get a 182 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,639 solid young piece with room to grow in Hesher for a late career Pevelski, 183 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,759 who won't help us win a championship this year what do you guys think. 184 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:39,279 I was right there with you skewing Rodrigue or not being a fan, But 185 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:41,960 I think this I agree through. I think this trade is a lot more 186 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,120 even than the tidy gms give Tim credit for. Even if you look ahead 187 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,559 to next year, I think it's still probably pretty even, maybe even still 188 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,480 leans Tim's way, But beyond that, I think it clearly slants towards the 189 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,440 BSF. So it's like, how far ahead are you looking? And we 190 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,720 already know how far ahead Tim was looking not very far because he wants to 191 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,279 stave off relegation. Now that's the number one goal. And we talked about 192 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:11,320 Rodrigue. Casper is doing alright in the AHL. I think that that's it's 193 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,399 always a bit tricky for the projection with some of these guys. I think 194 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,159 that there's there was a lot of kind of discussion. He got that one 195 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,000 game last year broke his kneecap, like what a terrible, unfortunate happenstance. 196 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,879 But he's been in the AHL this season almost half point per game for the 197 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:33,840 Grand Rapid Griffins, and so that's been pretty nice. And it's important to 198 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:39,240 point out too that he's in the AHL. He still doesn't turn twenty until 199 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,559 April eighth, so this entire season he's been nineteen. It's a difficult league 200 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,559 for teenagers. So I think that's actually a real feather in his cap to 201 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,120 say that he's doing about half point per game as such a young player. 202 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,440 If he was twenty two, that would be not very good for his long 203 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,320 term projection, but I think that's pretty good. I do still think that 204 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,559 is more likely a middle than a top six forward, but there's upside there 205 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,559 for more like he certainly could be and pumping up our FHL player cards. 206 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,120 I think one thing that you can really see with Casper is that his bash 207 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,600 is pretty darn good. His shots and hits are good, not amazing, 208 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,120 but good, and his blocks are close to average. So his bash overall 209 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,919 is going to give him a really high floor. Plus the face off wins 210 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:28,279 and time on ice might help as well. His pnhle is looking right now 211 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,639 trending more like a forty point player. I think he's going to be a 212 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,320 little bit better than that, probably like closer to fifty to sixty. That's 213 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:43,240 a decent piece. Looking at Nason, I think Nason, as long as 214 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,399 he keeps getting that power play time. I think he's probably the best fourth 215 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:50,080 liner in the league. The guy gets no time on ice practically, but 216 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,360 then he's on the power play and scores a decent amount, Like I don't 217 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,240 know many fourth liners. It's score more than he does, so that's pretty 218 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,440 nice. But lately I'd be a little worried because Bunting and Jarvis are more 219 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,320 appropriately taking that time from him, So you'd be a little bit concerned, 220 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,960 I guess with that, and then the big Pavelski, the guy just he 221 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,919 doesn't slow down. So that's the issue is that if Pavelski was indeed done 222 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,799 this year, then I think you could look at this a little bit more 223 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,840 lopsided, right because we don't know what's going to happen with him. But 224 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,720 I have a feeling he's going to resign, probably get some massive incentives, 225 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,840 and he's just going to keep producing. Because even though they have some new 226 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:31,919 forwards coming stank Covin looks great, Bork is knocking on the door. I 227 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,960 think Pavelski is going to continue to be planted on that top power plays, 228 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,840 hang out in the slot and tip Puck's home until he, you know, 229 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,600 is carted off the ice like the guy just he doesn't need to do much 230 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,679 to get points. He's so good. So I still think that'll be pretty 231 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,200 good moving forward. And I guess I didn't mention a lot about he's here, 232 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:56,120 but yeah, I think long term it's going to be He's going to 233 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,120 be really good. I think for the next couple of years it'll probably be 234 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:03,759 close to maybe with Pavelski and he's here, but then ultimately you get the 235 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,240 better piece. And I think he's here has more upside than what he's shown 236 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,159 this year. The Devils have just been weird and not as good as we 237 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,799 thoughts. I think it's a lot more even than that. I think you 238 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,240 guys did well to get the pieces you got. You're not gonna mind obviously, 239 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:19,840 And I think the flexibility of center right wing as a reminder, the 240 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:23,159 Tidy does not have a skater or flex spot, so you can get really 241 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,600 overloaded with centers, and so the fact that Pavelski is center right wing and 242 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,039 Nason is left wing right wing, I think that roster flexibility also really helps 243 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,759 him. Right now, what do you think, Jessie, Yeah, it's 244 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,000 I get the strategy and Timmy is going to be a fascinating person to talk 245 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:42,799 to about all this. I don't know that this is it makes sense, 246 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,200 the strategy makes sense for both sides. I'm not quite so sure that he's 247 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,159 here. Isn't the best player in the deal though, and he's producing right 248 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,360 now. But I guess you're capitalizing on the hot streak of Nason and the 249 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,360 hotness of the Dallas Stars. I've been trying to look at the schedule too. 250 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:02,120 Dallas might have just slightly more favorable skin schedule in these critical weeks than 251 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:07,359 New Jersey, so maybe that played into the thought process here. But in 252 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:14,079 any event, that is, I don't know Tim is willing to move prospect 253 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,440 who may or may not succeed in order to keep the head just above water. 254 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,799 Yeah, and I don't think we would have made this deal if we 255 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,240 were still in the kind of Pavelski hints robertson top line dominance era. We're 256 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:32,480 not in that situation anymore with the Dallas Stars. I think even that that 257 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:36,680 offense is going to get even further watered down soon with the addition of Victor's 258 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,920 favorite player to ever play hockey and Logan Stankoven to that third line eventually probably 259 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,400 second line, eventually, probably first line. And I feel like they're probably 260 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,680 still going to go out and get more forwards before the deadline here, So 261 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,119 I think, yeah, I think we saw the opportunity you got to give 262 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,279 to get. We saw the opportunity to give away Joe Pavelski, who is 263 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,759 still pretty good for a player in hesher who will be good for ten years 264 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,559 probably. So that's what we're what we're looking at there. This last one 265 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,880 was a little bit controversial in the hallowed halls of the bff's compound. And 266 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,880 I'm just gonna say, this was my deal. I did this, I 267 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,000 will own it, and let's get into it here. The context around this 268 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,920 deal is that it happened in the last two hours before the trade deadline. 269 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,119 The time element was definitely a factor, and I just want to I want 270 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,720 to defend myself a little bit here on this. When you have a co 271 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:33,559 manager, you have different skill sets. I think Victor and Elon, for 272 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,759 instance, we know that you guys are co managers. You guys have different 273 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:41,440 skill sets when it comes to evaluating players. That kind of thing for us, 274 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,319 our kind of division of labor is I'm the roster setting guy. I'm 275 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,640 looking for players who are minors eligible, who can give us those extra games. 276 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,400 Like Jesse mentioned, I'm looking to maximize what we have on our roster 277 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,279 on any given day, and Edward is looking for players. So Edward will 278 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:00,599 spend time talking to other managers, getting trades sorted out, looking at the 279 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,400 waiver wire, at that kind of thing. And I didn't have I didn't 280 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,359 have my co manager around for this one because it was pretty late in the 281 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,160 evening and Ed's got a real life, and so in a division of labor 282 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,920 here, I'm the one who stays up late usually and ed is the one 283 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,079 who wakes up early, so he gets all the news in the morning and 284 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,359 then I catch up. So here's the deal. We acquired goaltender prospect goaltender 285 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:29,599 Yoel Blumpfist for the Pittsburgh Penguins and Philadelphia d Sean Walker from the first place 286 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:36,920 team Jurassic Park jack Z who acquired Justin Schultz from US Alex Lyon for the 287 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,279 Detroit Red Wings, and center left wing prospect for the Ottawa Center's Yerie Schmakeel. 288 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Ed and I did not agree on this deal, and that's why I 289 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,559 felt the need to go go on the defense of there a little bit. 290 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,440 Here's what Ed had to say when I asked him to break down our trade 291 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:55,920 for the broadcast, Ed had this to say, Schultz, mah, who 292 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,440 cares, don't mind getting rid of him? Lion. I think over the 293 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,599 past two seasons has shown to be a good goalie, and Rhymer is as 294 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,720 good as gone. By the deadline, I think Lyon finds his groove again 295 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,640 and his Detroit's guy is the battle for a playoff spot. Walker's value isn't 296 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,920 going to increase. His best case scenario is him staying in Philadelphia, which 297 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,319 doesn't seem likely. Who is a team battling for a playoff spot in the 298 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,160 tort system He thrives in more likely scenarios that he gets dealt to a team 299 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,799 where he plays on their bottom pair and has to figure out a new system 300 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,319 before the playoffs. Joel Blumpfist, I just have a philosophy of not having 301 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,920 prospect goalies as part of the main return in a trade unless their names are 302 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,200 Askarov, Wolf or Wolstead. I think they just are way too volatile of 303 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,119 an asset to spend on as a throw in. Sure, I'll take a 304 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,279 swing, but as one of the main parts. I'm not the biggest fan. 305 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:45,000 From Ed's perspective, or sorry, from my perspective, Ryan, I 306 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,640 was selling high on Lion, who at this time had sputtered and led in 307 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,119 seventeen goals in his last four games at the time of this deal, and 308 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,880 I had the opportunity to close the d gap on our roster, which is 309 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,440 significant. At the same time, we don't have a ton of blue chip 310 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,119 goalie pros. Although I agree with Ed that prospect goals aren't a great bet, 311 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,359 especially in this league. I feel fairly confident Bluncus will either compete for 312 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,119 a role with the Penguins in the next two years, or more likely be 313 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,680 a valuable trade piece for us at the next deadline or this summer moment of 314 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,599 truth. Guys, I guess we'll find out if maybe Ed is the new 315 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,680 Tidy Admiral. What do you guys think? In short, I think I 316 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,160 agree with Ed more on this. I do think that the body of work 317 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,680 that Alex Line has put together gives real credence to the idea that he could 318 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,359 be a starter for the Red Wings. Now, obviously, I don't think 319 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,160 that's going to last a super long time because Cosa Van Augustine, who we've 320 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,599 talked a little bit about are coming. They're not going to be ready next 321 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:44,920 season though, I don't think, and maybe not even the season after that. 322 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,119 And even if they are ready, Lion seems like he's to me proven 323 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:55,440 enough that he deserves a legitimate shot to continue to get opportunity to man increase 324 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,279 somewhere, even if it's not Detroit. His contract is pretty flexible right now. 325 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,880 He only he has one more year at nine hundred thousand. That's going 326 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,519 to be pretty attractive for teams. So on the one hand, you could 327 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,039 say he's not getting starter money, and that's true, so teams may not 328 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,200 feel obligated to give him a ton of opportunity. But on the other hand, 329 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,480 he has earned it with his play, so he's playing for that next 330 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,079 contract, and I think teams are going to really want him and appreciate him. 331 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,200 So I think in general that's something this season. I think it's worth 332 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,160 noting that he has been protected pretty well by the Red Wings at even strength, 333 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:34,880 so he hasn't he hasn't have a super difficult workload, but he has 334 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,960 outperformed it slightly even though he has done even though he was protected really well. 335 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,920 That's at even strength. On the penalty kill. He's gotten really pretty 336 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:51,079 terrible protection and wildly outperformed that so that volatility being shorthanded, that gap could 337 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,720 close. He could start regressing to being more average, and then his numbers 338 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,599 wouldn't look quite as good. But overall, I still think what Ed said 339 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,279 that he's shown a little bit more. It's interesting to look at these two 340 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:07,240 goalies in the hockey prospecting model, between Lion and You'll Blumquist. I'm pretty 341 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,160 happy. I'm pretty high on Blunkquist similar to what you are Ryan. He 342 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,759 has up to a forty two percent chance of being an NHLer at this point 343 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,839 in that model with his strong HL season. Lyon has basically been at or 344 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,960 above that level since his D plus one season. Now, I know this 345 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,759 isn't always one hundred percent accurate, but it's interesting just to look back and 346 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,400 compare the two. I still do think Blumquist probably has a brighter future in 347 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,119 the league, though, just based on his draft position and how much the 348 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,119 team invested in him. But I agree with that while I like him, 349 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:40,359 I wouldn't want him as the main part of the return, and I probably 350 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,039 would have just kept lying because I think he's probably gonna help you sooner. 351 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,319 I also agree that Walker is probably going to get moved and that'll tank his 352 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,160 value. So I'm just not sure that Walker can be as good in a 353 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,039 different system than he is now, but you never know. I think that 354 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,720 it could be, and I also hear a lot of rumors that they might 355 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:02,000 just want to hold onto him, knows. I think the bottom line is 356 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960 it's a little bit of a risky move, Ryan, but I think it 357 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,960 could still work out and could regress. He hasn't shown it for that long, 358 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,799 even though he's been more or less good this season. I think Bloomquist 359 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,240 could be the starter sooner than later, and then maybe you're really happy about 360 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,680 that, and Walker could continue to produce. So there's definitely a reasonable scenario 361 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,000 where it all works out. I just would probably rather take Jack's side, 362 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,319 And by the way, we're hopefully going to hear more from Jack. He 363 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,799 is a super smart manager and as you said, leading this division of all 364 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,960 stars, like that's incredible. And I always think about this too. I 365 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960 don't know if you guys do, but if I'm trading with someone like Jack, 366 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,799 I'm like, I need to be very careful here, because if they're 367 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,880 super sharp, you just want to make sure am I reading this right? 368 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Because if he's willing to do this deal really favoring him right. I once 369 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,480 did a roster doctor with Jack and about halfway, about ten minutes in, 370 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,279 I was like, can we flip seats? Can you tell me about my 371 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,839 team? Jack? Because he's a freaking smart guy. Let me make a 372 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,960 little bit of a case to make you feel better about this. Alex Lyon 373 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,400 for the last twelve months has been really good. He's also thirty one years 374 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,119 old, and basically the only time in his career that he has been good 375 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,079 at the NHL level is in the last twelve months. He's played the majority 376 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:21,160 of his games there. He's pretty much been a career backup for a long 377 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,799 time, and now, at age thirty one, there's a breakout. How 378 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,079 much do you believe in it? I've got him on another team. I 379 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,839 like the guy, fine, but you've just got nine years younger in goal, 380 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,799 and you have potentially the future goalie of the Pittsburgh Penguins, who, 381 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,200 hopefully Kyle Dubis will get them back someday. And you got four years younger 382 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,799 at defense, and heck, from looking at the other deals you made, 383 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,960 you had room in your or. You needed to make room in your prospect 384 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,119 system, so you dealt an extra one from your system. Not terrible? 385 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,400 Am I trying to set you up to be nice to me now that we're 386 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,799 going to get to my trades? Maybe? But yeah, I don't think 387 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:02,119 you. Let's not completely dunk on Ryan here, because I think there's a 388 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,359 rationale to this on the same By the same side, I'm not criticizing what 389 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,279 Jack did here. Makes perfect sense for the guy who's making a run this 390 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,480 year to grab on to alex Lyon and hope for ride the Lion all the 391 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:18,519 way to a championship. Jesse, I really appreciate that. I really felt 392 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,200 like I was grinding down Jack pretty well in our deal. I had that 393 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,799 same thought Victor of I gotta be careful here, but I guess I could 394 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,720 have pushed a little harder. The trade deadline does crazy things to your brain, 395 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,920 too. I think just knowing you have a very limited amount of time 396 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,680 to in my mind, capitalize on this excellent flash in a pan that Lion 397 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,759 is But hey, we'll be watching now to see if Jack can take the 398 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,559 title on the back of alex Lyon. And that's quite enough for me. 399 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,319 I think the defendant is now going to become the judge and jury as we 400 00:26:48,400 --> 00:27:07,200 hone in on Jesse's trades. I want to be the messages. So Jesse 401 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,799 will start with the deal that you made with Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles, which was 402 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,880 judged as pretty even by the Tidy managers forty five percent voted even, and 403 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,440 then it was twenty nine to twenty six for the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles. Here 404 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:26,079 Jesse acquired left wing prospect young player Pavel d'orfeyev and center left wing Mason McTavish. 405 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,640 Really exciting player there for veteran left winger Chris Krider. Seems a little 406 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,519 obvious to me why and how this deal happened, Jesse, But why don't 407 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:40,119 you enlighten us I what happened, just as a general strategic situation is both 408 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,240 in the Tidy and in the original Dynasty. I took a look at my 409 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,480 teams near the deadline. I'm like, I'm a fringe playoff team. I 410 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,319 ain't winning in Lemieu though in Tidy, I'm also not going to get demoted, 411 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,400 and so it's time for me to start looking at these mid to upper 412 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,400 thirties guys and making moves. It's a falling night. You have to be 413 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880 you have to get out at the right time. These assets are not going 414 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,200 to become more valuable, and they're never going to be valuable then more valuable 415 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:14,799 than they are at a deadline with a first place team like the Pittsburgh Mutant 416 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,200 Turtles. So Chris Kreider, thirty three years old, he hits a lot, 417 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,039 He's got that physical profile that you worry how long that can actually last 418 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,160 into the future, picked up two really elite young players. To me, 419 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,599 Mason McTavish was the prize. I was looking for all the young potential future 420 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,480 stars I could get on this team, and in McTavish was a wonderful return 421 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,680 for me as far as I'm concerned. But this is a deal. Whether 422 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,559 you like one side or the other, it was a deal that made sense 423 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,200 for both sides. I feel like from the beginning, I don't think either 424 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,440 one of us got ripped off by what happened here. Yeah, in general, 425 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:55,240 I would agree with that. I think that classically this is a classic 426 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:59,480 dynasty trade both sides. When long term, I really like McTavish. I 427 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:04,480 think he could be pretty close to, if not better then Kriid as early 428 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,720 as next season. Probably not. It's probably still going to be Krier, 429 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,200 but I think the gap there is pretty close, and that's what you like 430 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:18,400 to see McTavish has. He may not have the he hasn't had the bash 431 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,920 so far in the NHL that we've seen that he has a potential for, 432 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,640 but I think he can and in particular, some of his blocks are pretty 433 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,559 good, and I think that once the talent around him raises a little bit 434 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,519 more as we're seeing some of their prospects mature, I think that's going to 435 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,240 be really good. And Doro Fiev is not nothing. He's a pretty decent 436 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,960 prospect, especially the way that Vegas needs players producing on cheap contracts. He's 437 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,039 he's a pretty he's a pretty good playmaker. He can put the puck in 438 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,480 the net, and they're going to need him on his contract situation. So 439 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,160 I like that Kriider, he's still really good, but he's going to be 440 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,680 trending in the other direction. So total classic dynasty trade. That's pretty much 441 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,559 a win for both sides. So I like that a lot. Jesse, 442 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,160 Yeah, I can see it here too, and I'm just fascinated here by 443 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,319 the Fantasy Hockey Life player card that you posted Victor in our show prep here 444 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,160 and his stud rating is eight, so very impressive. Once he gets more 445 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,319 minutes and once Anaheim's roster gets a bit more sorted out, I really think 446 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:26,880 that McTavish is going to be the best player in this deal. I don't 447 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,559 think we'll see another fifty plus goal season from Chris Crider anytime soon. Hopefully 448 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,599 he can be at Crider level next year, and I think it's likely he 449 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,519 is, especially, you know, once we get a guy like Cutter Gotier 450 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,079 on his line onto the next one for you here, Jesse and Jesse, 451 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,880 I just have a question for you. Are you a Toronto Mate Beliefs fan, 452 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,319 because that's what this deal tells me. Finally, I've been outed, 453 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:53,160 You've been outed. You are more further north than Toronto, so you do 454 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,960 have that kind of wintry love for hockey, so you of course understand that 455 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,039 the best team to be a fan of is the Toronto Maple Leafs. Oh 456 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,079 my gosh, I'm never going to live this down. Nope, you heard 457 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:11,200 it here first, folks. Jesse acquired Leif's prospect goaltender Artur Aktyamov, left 458 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,400 winger Matthew Nie who is currently playing with Matthews and Marner. That's a nice 459 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,880 little pickup. And the center Oliver Moore, not of the Toronto Maple Leafs, 460 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,519 but still a good player again from the London Spider Knights, a frequent 461 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:29,240 trade partner. Here for you for starting goaltender for the Florida Panthers Sergey Bobrovski 462 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,119 and prospect forward Rafael Levois with the Edmonton Oilers. Another deal where the tidy 463 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,759 managers feel it's even a majority of managers actually fifty two percent saying even with 464 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,759 the kind of individual votes skewing towards the London Spider Knights walk us through selling 465 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,440 Bobrovski here Jesse and getting some exciting prospects in return. Well, again, 466 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,759 I was putting on the block the veteran guys who I felt like were only 467 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:59,200 going to decline a value. I think the fact that I got multiple Toronto 468 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,640 guys back probably had more to do with the guy I was dealing with having 469 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,119 a lot of young Trino players and those were the attractive pieces on his team. 470 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:14,759 But nys In Akiyamov, but Oliver Moore too. Oliver More actually was 471 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,000 by no means an afterthought in this deal. He was a core piece to 472 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,799 me. I was very excited thinking back to what we learned about him in 473 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:28,400 the last draft cycle. So yeah, I was looking to rebuild. This 474 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,920 was my prospect system was absolutely bereft. I started this thing with nothing in 475 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,559 my prospect system, and my goal was guys with a three and a crooked 476 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:45,519 number by their name to move off my roster for valuable players that would stack 477 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,400 my minors, And in this played into that. I think I've got guys 478 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,880 who are going to be able to contribute for the long term. In bobrovski 479 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,079 is he has been great, but there will come a time when he is 480 00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,319 not anymore. And again, like the first guy Pittsburgh, he's got eight 481 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,400 hundred more points than anybody else in the league, and if he wins it, 482 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,759 he leaves the league. So he's got trading for Chris. Trading for 483 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:09,960 Chris Crider makes perfect sense for him. That's such a win because all he 484 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,799 has to do is win. London was the London Spider Knights were right on 485 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,000 the verge of the playoffs, so getting a good goalie really shored up his 486 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,640 situation and I think he was willing to basically for him, he's hoping to 487 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,119 win, and it's Bobroski for Knis and then you hope that you cash out 488 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,759 and none of the rest of it matters. Yeah, I have to say 489 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:38,960 it this way, JESSI the Nies have it. Getting Matthew Nyes was clearly 490 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,599 the main part of the plant. No, I'm just kidding, but I 491 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,880 do. I like both sides here. I like the Spider Knights getting Bob. 492 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,920 I think that, like you said, obviously that's going to help two 493 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,880 more years at ten million, his job is pretty safe. Personally, I 494 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,200 would rather have a bunch of goalies the way that it is in the tidy, 495 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,119 and this is true for some weeks we don't have roster games played limits 496 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,480 on goalies, and so getting a lot of goalies that did start and provide 497 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,119 some points, it's pretty hard to go negative in the tidy, so that's 498 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,920 a real bonus. Bob getting over eight points per game is ridiculous and certainly 499 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,719 going to help. I like to headge On just more middling goalies. Lyon 500 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,519 is one of them that I have, and it's it's a really it's different 501 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,159 strategies, but I could totally see it because if you can get that many 502 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:27,440 points out of one goalie that starts a lot, that's really worth it. 503 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,599 Okayamov certainly looks like he could be great, and I think the other thing 504 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,800 we were joking about you being a leaf scan But the bottom line is that 505 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,920 even if he doesn't really fully pan out, there's always going to be interest 506 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,400 in Leaf's prospects, so you could probably trade him for something, even if 507 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,599 it's not amazing, So that's always nice. I think NY's has been really 508 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,719 underrated this year. He has been really good. People forget sometimes that he's 509 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,639 still really young. He's only twenty one. He's been twenty one most of 510 00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,679 this season. He was older for his draft class. Maybe he's a little 511 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,039 bit more mature. He's got really low time on ice, just over fourteen 512 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,800 minutes, no power play time. But if you look at his even strength 513 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,320 expected goals, he's in the top one hundred of NHL forwards and just individual 514 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,159 expected goals four for six yet even strength, that's incredible. The names that 515 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,320 he's around, a lot of them are superstars or top top players in the 516 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,039 league, so that's really good. I think the praise is really high for 517 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,000 him. I think his upside is really good, especially if he continues to 518 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,159 click with Matthews, Marner or any of the top sixers there in Toronto, 519 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,199 which it seems like he's locked into, and then eventually he'll get power play 520 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,440 time and his Fantasy points will I'm sure jump up closer to six or something 521 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,719 like that, So that'll be really good for him in terms of all over 522 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,719 more, I think it's a good get for the future. I don't know 523 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960 that he's going to play for with Badard, which is obviously the hope of 524 00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:52,639 anyone in the Chicago system, but either way, I think that he will. 525 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,039 He's going to play a lot, and he's been really good so far 526 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,400 this season at the University of Minnesota. That transition is sometimes a little tough, 527 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,880 but he's been nearly a point per game thirty one points in thirty three 528 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,639 games. That's pretty awesome. His FHL player card shows that his bash is 529 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,519 a little bit sub average. It's mainly because of its hits, which are 530 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:15,320 really low. His blocks and shots are actually pretty good, and I think 531 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,159 he's someone who's going to drive play, so he'll he'll probably get a good 532 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,159 Fenwick there for you, So I really like that and I think that some 533 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,800 of those points may or may not translate, but if they do, you're 534 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,599 going to be They're going to be laughing. So totally get this one from 535 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:34,880 both sides. And I personally would I like the Nies more side, just 536 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,440 because of the way that I value goalies. I tend to have more of 537 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,800 a committee than a volume stud But I if you like that type, then 538 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,239 it totally makes sense to get Bob as well. So Victor, you're saying 539 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,519 it was a mistake for me to trade away Alex Lyon, that's what you're 540 00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,400 saying. I like that kind of guy. He's my kind of goalie. 541 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,480 He's someone that you didn't have to invest a lot in and get starts and 542 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,199 can provide pretty good value and you don't have to. I think it's all 543 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:07,719 about cost of acquisition. Look at the cost of acquisition of Bob as opposed 544 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,480 to Lion, which so that's how I like to look at it. I 545 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,360 might have messed up, but Jesse, you certainly didn't here And as the 546 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,639 resident Leafs fan on the podcast, I will pick Jesse's return with no critical 547 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,199 thought applied to it beyond that, But I will just add I have a 548 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,679 great feeling about artur At Tiamov and Vyaschi Slav Pexa, who are both Russian 549 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,480 goalies drafted by the Leafs in the past few years. We've watched over the 550 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:36,039 past i'd say two decades, the goalie school was in Sweden, and then 551 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:37,960 what was in Finland and we had the best goalies coming from Sweden and then 552 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,719 Finland, and now the best goalies are coming from Russia. And the best 553 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,920 goalies in the NHL right now are Russian. You have Sorokan, you have 554 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,400 Shasterkin, who's had a bit of an off year. You have Vassilevski who's 555 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,920 had a bit of an off year. But these guys are the best and 556 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,840 they all learn in a similar way. They're all facing pro shots when they're 557 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,599 really young, and I think Tiamov and Pexa are in the same mold. 558 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,679 So I don't spend a lot of time watching the Russian leagues. I have 559 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,800 a good feeling about these two guys. So I really do think that Jesse 560 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,280 came out with a real winner here. Speaking of great Russian players, this 561 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,039 last deal from Jesse is a big one, involves the best Russian player to 562 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,679 ever play the game. The Russian machine who until this year never broke Alex 563 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,679 Ovechkin. Jesse acquired a goaltending prospect from the Detroit repping Sebastian Kosa, who 564 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,119 we mentioned earlier in the Lion discussion, right winger Jimmy Snuggerrud, who is 565 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:36,079 going to be a great player as soon as next year in the NHL from 566 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,280 the London Spider Nights once again for Alex Ovechkin, with tidy managers again voting 567 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,440 this pretty even at sixty two percent, with the individuals being pretty even. 568 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,159 For you, guys, I don't blame you for moving on from Ovechkin this 569 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,360 year, Jesse. We moved on from Pavelski and he was actually playing pretty 570 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,079 well. Ov has picked it up recently, which I'm sure is maybe annoying 571 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,960 to you. Do you think you got enough back for him in Kosa and 572 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,840 snugger Rud. Sometimes you make the trades you can with the people you can 573 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,199 for the assets they have in a vacuum. Could I put together a group 574 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:14,239 of players who I might like more? Maybe? But the thing with Ovechkin 575 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,280 not that one would ever panic from arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time, 576 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,119 whether he could potentially bounce back, but he had just broken an eight 577 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:28,719 game scoreless streak goalless streak right before this, and things are looking a little 578 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,360 bit dire for Ovechkin. He's looking a little bit mortal, and in a 579 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,159 league like this, it's really hard to convince people to buy high on a 580 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,440 guy who is starting to look mortal. Jimmy Snuggerot is looking great. He's 581 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,360 going to have the bash, I believe as he comes up and really has 582 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,280 blossomed as a prospect. Kosa. Again, this is the same league I 583 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,280 traded Bobrovski and I acquired Akiyamov and Kosa. So that's my future goalie tandem 584 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,039 at this point to go with. Here's how bad it is Yukapeka, Lucan 585 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,760 and Darcy Kemper. So it's I gotta build something here on the defense, 586 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,000 and that's part of what I'm going to try to do so Ovechkin. This 587 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,280 is the time to deal with Vekin. Dealing him next year doesn't help the 588 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,559 deal that I could get from the people who were able to make a play 589 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,719 for him. This was the one that I thought was the best option. 590 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,519 I think Wevechkin's value is only going to go down next year. I'm not 591 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:27,840 going to win this year. I'm probably not going to win next year. 592 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,239 So it's time to make the deal at the deadline when his value is going 593 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,599 to be the highest. I think it was maybe even the time to sell 594 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,000 him last year, but certainly not waiting any longer. It's the time to 595 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,639 trade ov that and that must have been hard. I know that you're a 596 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:45,079 fan, not only of him but the team. I think that's it. 597 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,119 But absolutely getting Snuggy with it is the way to go right here. Jimmy 598 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,280 Snuggerud is a really underrated star prospect. I would say people are not really 599 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,519 giving him his due. Man, that guy is amazing. You might look 600 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,360 at this season and say he went from fifty points in forty games last season 601 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,039 to just thirty one and thirty three. But the guy lost not only Logan 602 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,960 Cooley, who was almost two points per game, not only Matthew Nyes who 603 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:15,559 was really incredible over a point per game. He also lost Jackson Lacombe, 604 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,360 who was almost a point per game as a defenseman in that league, and 605 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,719 Brock Favor. All these guys from the University of Minnesota Ryan Johnson that were 606 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,400 gone. So this team is nowhere near as good as it was last season, 607 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,079 and he's basically still doing his thing point per game. That's pretty incredible. 608 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:37,320 He was awesome at the World Junior Championships at times taking turns with some 609 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,559 of the other stars in that American team, you know, looking like the 610 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,360 best player on the team. So yeah, he's great. And yeah, 611 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,079 you know, looking at the NHL player card, you can see that his 612 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:50,280 bash is rated as a ten. At a ten, most of that is 613 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,079 driven by his shots, but his hits and blocks are pretty darn good too. 614 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,880 So you got a super high scoring upside with a strong perferle floor. 615 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,519 I don't know what else can you ask for, and in the tidy penalized 616 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,960 for minor penalties and he doesn't do that very much, so that's even better. 617 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,280 Yeah, I think you got an awesome player there. Sebastian Kosa. 618 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,400 We have talked about him a little bit. And it's funny right now looking 619 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,360 at the hockey prospecting model of the Detroit goalies because Cosa and Augustine have essentially 620 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,039 the same equivalency right now, which is funny considering where they were drafted, 621 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,880 but also really good for the Red Wings because they have two strong goalie prospects 622 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,599 that could do really well. They have whoso who may turn things around and 623 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,440 lie and who has found goals. They seem like they're doing pretty well in 624 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,800 goal and there's some teams out there that seem like they have no starting goalie 625 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,639 now for the future, it's nice to have several options. But yeah, 626 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:44,280 I really like this for I think it's pretty balanced, even as it was 627 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,599 rated. I really think that these were some good trades for you, Jesse. 628 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,000 And as you mentioned, you do the trades you cannot assari of the 629 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,159 ones you want. I remember when you first came to me, You're like, 630 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,159 I wanted this is my plan. I want to do all of this, 631 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,800 And I thought you were talking about one big trade to get all and 632 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,440 you all the guys you listed is coming in and all the guys you listed 633 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,760 coming out, And I was like, man, if you could do all 634 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,039 of this is amazing. This is like a massive win. And I don't 635 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,960 think they all exactly worked out, but a lot of them did. And 636 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,639 I think that's how you have to set it up. Let's look at everything 637 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,679 I could do, all the pieces I'm willing to move, and if I 638 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:20,119 could get all these returns. This would turn my team around, and it 639 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:25,000 absolutely would, So I really elect the overall process. Yeah, I got 640 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,440 to say the process is the thing that is most impressive to me as well. 641 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,199 I get kind of trade paralysis when I'm in this situation, and I 642 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,760 think we could have been in very similar positions, Jesse making similar trades here. 643 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,000 I just I really love how you were able to just recognize you weren't 644 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,239 going to win this year, but you also weren't going to get relegated. 645 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,159 How can you improve for the long term? And I would make the exact 646 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,400 same deal with Ovechkin. And I think it's important to remember you drafted Ovechkin 647 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,360 last year and he gave you a point per game per production with great hits, 648 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,360 great bash and forty plus goals last season. If it had ended up 649 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,079 with you being more of a competitor, that would have been a great play 650 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,639 to make. And then now is the time to move on from him. 651 00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,800 Well done, I think. And now, Victor, if you thought you 652 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,960 could get away without judgment, you would be sorely mistaken, because Jesse and 653 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,239 I can now get the knives out and start to carve up your deals. 654 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,239 I teased last week at the end of our previous episode that you've given up 655 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,920 and absolutely hate the games of Simone Edvinson, Thomas Bordelo, cam Yorke, 656 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,480 matt Vey, Mitchikov, and Moore. You did get some good stuff in 657 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,519 return, though, So let's dive in here. The first deal with one 658 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:37,039 if Byram two if Byfield is a straight up swap one for one, Victor 659 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:43,800 acquiring Jacob truba of the New York Rangers and Byron Byfield acquiring Simon Edvinson of 660 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,159 the Detroit Red Wings. What do you think, Victor, You've been pretty 661 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:49,920 high on Edvonson. I know, and I know you watch a lot of 662 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,280 him, and I'm sure your Detroit listeners are sweating. Now take us to 663 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,920 the process of making this deal. Yeah, so this is with Fred, 664 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:00,599 who's the manager here. I've known Fred for a long time in various leagues, 665 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,400 and so I think all these things help when you know someone. Trubeau 666 00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,079 was definitely my target, with such a high points per game, and he's 667 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,719 the captain, He's not going anywhere, He's getting tons of ice time. 668 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,159 I knew I could rely on him the rest of the season, except when 669 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,039 he got suspended. That was annoying. But those kinds of things happened with 670 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,280 him. But I also knew that I need to give something good. I'm 671 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,199 not going to just give him some schmuck player. I was trying to look 672 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,159 at this win as a win. I am high on Edmonson. I'm super 673 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,320 frustrated with what Eierman did this offseason to bring in a bunch of defensemen to 674 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,440 basically block his path, and how he's stayed in the miners. Basically, 675 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,039 I think longer than he's needed to. He's been good in. Yeah, 676 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,119 you're not a Justin Hall guy. Let's not go on too much of a 677 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:52,280 detour here, but if you look at if you look at the expected goals 678 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,119 and Fenwick numbers of those defensemen that he brought in, they are generally quite 679 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,039 poor. Dick Wollman is decent, and Gossipspear has his moments, but Hall, 680 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:06,840 Petrie, you know, Sharat, No, they're not driving play. 681 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,199 And I would say I had this argument with someone about Kane, and my 682 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,440 point about Kane is that I didn't think that was a bad signing. I 683 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,360 just didn't think that was their priority. Their priority was the fact that he's 684 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,800 I don't think he got the right defenseman in there, and I'm not sure 685 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,800 that he even needed to, because Edmondson when he's played, has been better 686 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,000 than all and Petrie and even Sharot at times. I know Sharrot brings other 687 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:34,960 things and they like his grit and physicality. But anyways, no, I 688 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,199 do think that Edmondson is still has some pretty high upside his FHL player card. 689 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,280 His BASH is disappointing compared to what we're used to, but I think 690 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920 that's not I don't think that's all lost. I think that he's been asked 691 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,639 to do some different things in the AHL, and overall the results are good. 692 00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,199 He's over a half point per game. If you combine both of his 693 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,840 seasons in the AHL, the last season and this season almost one hundred games. 694 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,719 That's pretty darn good. His scoring is going to translate. I'm sure 695 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,199 of that he'll have a strong peripheral floor. Maybe it won't be elite like 696 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,440 Truba, but I think that's what it comes down to. There's a reasonable 697 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,840 chance that Vonson turns into a Trouba type player, and from Fred's perspective, 698 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,280 that could be as early as next season, and that could last for years 699 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,880 if he doesn't end up getting promoted, so he has a long window and 700 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,480 Truba, I think from my perspective, I'm not trying to push my chips 701 00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,480 in all this season. I'm trying to give myself a window of at least 702 00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,920 a couple of years, two three years, And I think Truba does that 703 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,400 because he's not going to be cooked after this season either. So it's a 704 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,519 window play. I'm extending my window a little bit and Fred's extending his window 705 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,920 by a lot and delaying it a little bit. What do you think does 706 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,639 he Yeah, I think it's a fair deal. Evanson's the shine's a little 707 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:52,280 bit off compared to where we thought he was a couple of years ago, 708 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,880 I feel like, but he's still going to be an excellent defenseman. You 709 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,000 have to give value to get value. But Jacob Truba is an excellent return 710 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:05,199 and yeah, when you're within striking distance, you got to take that shot 711 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,840 and Truba could help you to get there. Yeah. I totally get it 712 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,320 here too. If you're acquiring Edvonson like Fred was, you're hoping he turns 713 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,920 into Truba. So if you're trying to win now like you were, it 714 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,199 makes perfect sense. I think for me, I'm a little surprised that Fred 715 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,679 didn't try to get more out of you, and I think maybe the listeners 716 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,320 also agree based on the voting being skewed towards the Trouba side. But there 717 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,679 you haven't next. This is an interesting kind of sequence of deals that you 718 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,159 made here, Victor, and involves a player who in our other shared league, 719 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,920 our other shared dynasty league, the Triple D. You ended up dropping 720 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,239 and buying out this player, saying we all knew it would end this way. 721 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:51,119 So you acquired goaltender Martin Jones of the Toronto Maple leafs now behind Joseph 722 00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:55,039 Wall and Ilia Samsonov in the crease and left wing Brad mar shand from Storm 723 00:48:55,079 --> 00:49:01,199 Warning for defenseman cam Yorke and winger Jonathan Huberto. It's important to mention that 724 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,360 this deal happened at the height of the Jones supremacy and the Maple leafs crease. 725 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,960 I even picked him up in Kakupful around this time. He had five 726 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:13,840 quality starts in his past seven games at this time, so I get why 727 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,199 you picked him up. It was also before Huberto steadied himself finding a place 728 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:22,679 on a line with Sharon Govic and at times Kuzmenko. So how does this 729 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,920 deal come together in your mind? Yeah, I think that's actually Martin Jones's 730 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,039 official middle name. We all knew it would end this way, so yeah, 731 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,159 that's I knew that going into it. This was when Jones was getting 732 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,639 all the volume with Wall and Simpson off both hurt, and I was like, 733 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,719 yes, I want him now. I always had one foot out the 734 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,960 door, so to speak with him, or one foot kicking him out the 735 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,960 door maybe is a better way of saying it. I knew that was going 736 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,599 to happen, but I wanted him for the time. The goalies that are 737 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,719 playing and are basically free value because there's no games playing limit, I think 738 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,880 are really valuable in the untidy. So I wanted that, and I really 739 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,639 wanted Marshan. I wanted something to increase. He's my points per game and 740 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,599 both these guys I almost doubled between with this deal my points per game on 741 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:13,119 average, which was good. I Huberto is having a renaissance, and I 742 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,679 actually this one was pre planned as well because last season when he was doing 743 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,519 so terribly, and last season was funny because I both pushed my chips in 744 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,719 and then I pulled him back out at the last minute when I didn't make 745 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,079 the playoffs, and one of the pieces I pulled back was Huberto, and 746 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,800 I knew that his stock was never going to be lower after last season. 747 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,880 It was just so bad, and so I knew that he was gonna get 748 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,639 better. I didn't know that it'd be quite this good. But I'm also 749 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,639 not really a firm believer in him long term. I don't think anyone really 750 00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:42,920 thinks he'll get back to his Florida peak. But I also am not sure 751 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,079 how much higher it'll be than what he's doing now, which is still only 752 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,360 for fantasy points per game in this setup. I wanted to move on from 753 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,239 him York. I do really like York. I think he's a good player. 754 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,800 I think he's way more effective at even strengthen some people give him credit 755 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,280 for they think he's just an offensive defenseman. I don't think that's true. 756 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,719 I think he's shown he can play in towards system. He's shown he can 757 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,360 be strong defensively. But I also think that he's probably not as offensively gifted 758 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:13,480 and destined to run the power play in Philly forever. So I was a 759 00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,199 little bit okay moving off of that, But overall, I kind of like 760 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,559 these players, but I knew that York and Huberto anyways that I'd be okay 761 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,960 moving on from it. I just wanted for Jones in particular. I wanted 762 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,880 those points now and Marshawan, I just wanted that ceiling, and I was 763 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,199 okay knowing that his window is not very long, because I think my team's 764 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,760 window in this league is not very long. So if I don't win it 765 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,039 this year, next year, I'm going to have to really rethink some things. 766 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,840 What do you think, Jesse, Yeah, I think it makes sense. 767 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,760 As the guy who actually talked Victor into adding Martin Jones in the league, 768 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,679 and I like when I mentioned him, I was hoping Victor wouldn't throw 769 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,599 something at me. I feel I was involved in getting Victor back on the 770 00:51:55,679 --> 00:52:00,199 Jones train. Who would have known that Martin Jones would ever disappoin This deal 771 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:07,039 makes perfect sense, And talk about two guys who have put a horrible taste 772 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:12,519 in the mouths of fantasy managers over the years, Martin Jones and Jonathan Huberto 773 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,480 in the last couple of years. Just from the value perspective, I think 774 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,480 what happened here was fine. The Jones thing obviously did not turn out the 775 00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,039 way I'm sure you would have hoped at that time. But Brad Marshawn, 776 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,119 if you're going to make a run right now is a great pick, And 777 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,480 yeah, I think you're but it's only going to last so long, so 778 00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,599 it was a great win now move. Yeah, I think getting out from 779 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,880 Huberto under Huberto is a pretty smart move generally. And I just I have 780 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,480 to say, I feel like I'm sitting at the learning tree here with you 781 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,639 guys, because just hearing Victor talk about Okay last season, I knew that 782 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,199 that Huberto was never going to be worse than this, and you were right. 783 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,360 He's not one hundred and twenty point player, but he's also not a 784 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,400 forty point player either. He's going to increase his value and so holding on 785 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,800 to him in a time where you could have easily just let him go, 786 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,800 this is great asset management here. Marshawn is certainly the better piece for someone 787 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,119 trying to win right now and in the next two years. And yeah, 788 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:13,039 cam Yorke tough to give that player up, but like you said, it's 789 00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,079 looking more and more like he'll be a solid, if not impressive guy. 790 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,360 That's some value in this league, but maybe not as much as we maybe 791 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,880 thought earlier this season when he was the only power play option in towards his 792 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,440 system. So that's a good one. I've been going in chronological order so 793 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,599 far with each of our deals, but I'm going to break it up here 794 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,599 because we want to close the loop on Jones, who you tease that you 795 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,840 did end up moving on from, and you dumped him in this most recent 796 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,559 deal that you did in the tidy Yes, you sent away Martin Jones and 797 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:47,719 center Thomas Bordelow, prospect and occasional player with the San Jose Sharks right now 798 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,400 for loss and Kraus on the Arizona Coyotes, the rugged winger. So you 799 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:57,400 had Jones for a total of five days, and in those five days he 800 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,159 kicked back three of his worst performances of the year, and it makes sense 801 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,000 to get out from under him, certainly. The real question for me here 802 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,280 is have you given up on Thomas Bordelow? I thought he was your guy. 803 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,440 No, I haven't given up on Bortilo. But yeah, that was 804 00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,320 funny with Jones. I wanted to say I got exactly what I wanted out 805 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,079 of him, But you're right it wasn't exactly what I wanted, because I 806 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,480 wanted it was at least a few of those good performances. But I also 807 00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:27,719 was like, I'd rather rip the rugout before it gets worse. Or what's 808 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,760 happened now is that samsonof and Wall are healthy and he's I don't know, 809 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:34,559 I don't know what he is. He might as far as storm Warning is 810 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,079 concerning, maybe he or sorry this is for this went to Portland Pirates for 811 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,320 the Pirates. Why not take on a goalie who maybe he is resurrecting his 812 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,079 career. Maybe he does find another spot Eulse sohere. I don't think it'll 813 00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:50,880 be in Toronto, but maybe he's shown enough now that he can be okay 814 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,880 again and there's some value there. But yeah, Portilow, No, I 815 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,719 think I will miss him. I think he's a really decent player. He's 816 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,159 a good part of this trade for the Pirates, and he's twenty two now, 817 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,159 he's basically knocking on the door. I think the Sharks have just had 818 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,840 him in the HL because they want him to just really thrive, and he 819 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,280 has had some NHL time and he's looked okay. I think that they're just 820 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,280 waiting on him a little bit longer. I do think that he's going to 821 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,880 be probably more of a middle six, But I think the question is can 822 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,760 he really be that two C, and I think he can. I think 823 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,159 he's really uber talented with his passing, And the question is, just as 824 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,920 he's strong enough, is he strong enough to play against some of the best 825 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,960 players, And I think the jury's still out on that because he's been a 826 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,079 little bit overwhelmed physically at times when I've seen him in the NHL. But 827 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,519 he's also pretty feisty and really positions himself well, even though he's a smaller 828 00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,480 forward. So I think he's going to be a part of this team the 829 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,840 Sharks moving forward, and they should be much better. I don't know how 830 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,000 they could be worse than they have been in these last few years, so 831 00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,079 they will start to trend up, and I think being able to flex him 832 00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:57,960 up and down for that time will be really nice. Looking at his FHL 833 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,519 player card, his bash is actually pretty good. He might not think that, 834 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,199 but between the shots and the blocks, it's pretty decent, and the 835 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,320 hits aren't nothing. He doesn't hit a ton, but it's closer to average, 836 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,480 so that's nice. He doesn't take a ton of penalties, and his 837 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,840 points upside is pretty high. I remember too that Bortelow's a face off wizard, 838 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,599 so if that's something that's counted in your leagues, you really want to 839 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,440 have that. But looking at Mason black Spider graph, his blocks are actually 840 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:29,519 pretty really high for a forward, so that's nice he's clocking in at that 841 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,440 second line potential. No, I think Bordelo's a really good piece. Krause, 842 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,400 though, is just really solid, and the five points per game, 843 00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:42,199 he has a really solid floor of those hits, block shots, the bash 844 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,719 is really good with krows, even though he doesn't get a ton of time 845 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:46,760 on ice, and he scores every now and then. But I think the 846 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,079 other key factor that I always think about. I always have in mind who 847 00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,400 are the teams that have the most off nights, And Arizona has a fair 848 00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:57,960 number. So that's a factor for me because just being able to fit him 849 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,599 into your lineup. Plus he's left the right wing, so that roster flexibility 850 00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:05,760 of Krause is huge, And as much as I like Portolow, I've already 851 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,880 had a bit of a hard time fitting everyone I want in my center slot. 852 00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,199 That was also a little bit of the calculus is that I really like 853 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,800 Portolo and I will like to be able to flex him up and down, 854 00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,599 but I'm not sure how much I'll even be able to because the Sharks often 855 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,840 just play on busy nights and he's center only. So anyways, that was 856 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,119 all part of it. I think Portland got a good player, but I'm 857 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:32,280 happy with my side, and I think Krause will continue to be what he 858 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,760 is for at least a few more seasons, so I'm good with that. 859 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,000 What about you, Jesse, Yeah, this is another good all in trade. 860 00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:45,599 Bortolou has the variance coming up in the future. Maybe he'll be really 861 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:49,360 great, maybe he'll just be just something kind of average ish. But Las 862 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,079 and Kraus is going to give you well above average points for the near term. 863 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:55,800 That's going to help you to make your run. So I think that's 864 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,840 fine for you. But it's not a bad trade for Portland. The floor 865 00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:05,239 completely fell off with Martin Jones, so that's just fine. But Bordelo Bordilo 866 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,639 a decent return. If you didn't think that Lost and Krafts was in your 867 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:12,760 long term plans. Yeah, I really love this deal for you. Victor 868 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,119 Kraus is a great asset for you. I don't think he's worth his original 869 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,280 NHL twenty fifteen draft position at eleven, but he's turned out to be a 870 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,280 fairly useful player in bangers leagues over the last few seasons, and in leagues 871 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,679 like ours where you get points for all sorts of different things, and he'll 872 00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,440 contribute to your playoff run and away that Bordelou simply won't. I'm of the 873 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,199 opinion that Bordelau is just a guy, So I think you make out like 874 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,440 a bandit here. There's no sense in tiptoeing around our last deal here. 875 00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:44,360 It's a big one, so buckle up, listeners as we take you home 876 00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:50,199 with this deal between the Capricens and Victor. The Caprice Sons acquire Jamie Drysdale, 877 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,480 Gabriel Landeskog, Spencer Knight, Valeri Nachushkin, and Matt Van Mitchkov from 878 00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:01,159 Victor for two players our Terry Lecanon of the Colorado Avalanche and defenseman Evan Bouchard. 879 00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:05,800 Victor and the Tidy gms have turned on you wholeheartedly on this one, 880 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,880 with eighty two percent preferring the Capricen's return. It might be a lot of 881 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,320 Mitchkov and Flyers fans in our community wondering if maybe Hook and Scramble maybe got 882 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,480 some of his buddies onto the discord to vote for this one. Lots of 883 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,079 big names moving here, and where do we even start when you have names 884 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,320 like Landeskog, Natchushkin, Drysdale, Bouchard. What was the focus here for 885 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:30,199 you? Victor? I think it's a little tricky trading Mitchkov in this format. 886 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,719 There's no question. I think a lot of us think he's going to 887 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,320 be a star, but that's going to be at least a couple more seasons 888 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,320 after this, and that weight is tough and tidy, right, because you're 889 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,440 always looking at promotion, relegation. And so I shopped him to a couple 890 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,119 of people and there was some mild interest. But I thought that I would 891 00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:54,760 just throw a bunch of pieces together and try to consolidate into the high upside 892 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,159 as, a high upside as I could get. So if you look at 893 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:01,760 these pieces individually, Landeskog, it seemed like maybe he'll play again, but 894 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,559 there's question marks there. I'm not convinced. And Spencer Night he's been burning 895 01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:09,440 a roster spot a lot of the time that I've had him, and I 896 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,119 still think that he can be good, but it is not for sure, 897 01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,320 and so those are two kind of question marks that I don't know about Natchushkin. 898 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,719 I mean, at this point, I wish I had him still because 899 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,639 he looks like he's going to be playing and be doing well. But we're 900 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,639 on the sat where the way we're recording this, we're on the Saturday after 901 01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:30,079 the first matchup, so he did not help me. He would not have 902 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,679 helped me in this first matchup, which is against Pish, by the way, 903 01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,719 we talked about last week, and it's been it's been tough right now. 904 01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:43,480 I'm barely leading. Actually Pish that messaged me yesterday conceding that he'd already 905 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,639 lost, and I'm like, nobody, you don't get to do that yet. 906 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,079 It's only Friday. There's no way I'm counting this as a dub already, 907 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,119 but it is. It would have been nice to have him moving forward 908 01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:57,480 in my ir, but I knew that I had to give him. I 909 01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:01,000 was focused on. I think one of the highest points upside you can get 910 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,800 in this format is a super high scoring, high peripheral defenseman. So I 911 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,159 was focused on Bouchard and this was basically the package it took to get him. 912 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,719 I think it was nice to get lecinon back, who's basically been similar 913 01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:17,559 to Nachushkin, and I got him for a few weeks beforehand, so that 914 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:24,239 was nice while Natchushkin was out. So basically I was looking to replace Ninachushkin 915 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,440 or a high end winger. And then the last piece we haven't talked about 916 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,320 is Drysdale. And Drysdale was another one that was just like what happened with 917 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,400 Huberto last year. You know, he was injured and the team that was 918 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,920 going, I can't remember who, it might have been Crafts or somebody who 919 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,800 got promoted, you know, dumped Drysdale on me, and I was like, 920 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,280 yeah, I'll take him all. You know, I got nothing to 921 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,400 lose, and you know, I knew that he still had some upside and 922 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,960 he's, you know, looks like he might be around a four or five 923 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:58,280 point per game defenceman in this format, which is pretty decent. But I'd 924 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,639 much rather take Bouchard, who's double that. And I think Bouchard is going 925 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:05,719 to continue to be this for and so I think that the upside there is 926 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:12,440 really high so this was I'd rather also consolidate roster spots if I can in 927 01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:17,360 general, so that's what this did for me. Bouchard was consolidated into one 928 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:21,880 super high end asset from a few that I think are pretty decent. I 929 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,239 don't think I sent Simoon anyone who was bad. That's the other thing. 930 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,679 Simon is a shoe trader. I knew that he would be hard to get 931 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,840 Bouchard from. He's not going to let him go for just nothing. Simon 932 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,159 also a delight to talk to in person, by the way, got to 933 01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,920 meet him when I went to my Vancouver meetup. Super good guy and we 934 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,840 have a relationship there and there's a lot of respect. I knew that he 935 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,159 was gonna take He would only take a good package to get him, so 936 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,920 I knew that I had to give. Those were all the pieces that it 937 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,639 took to get it done. We'd moved some pieces around. I thought about 938 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,079 pushing for more, like some miners, eligible guys or something, but I 939 01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:00,079 also didn't want to push it. These are the two high end assets I 940 01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:07,440 wanted Lecanon and Bouchard. And yes, Mitchkoff eventually will be amazing. Hopefully 941 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,199 I won't be in the league by then, and that's the thing. Torpedoes 942 01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:13,639 be damned. If I'm and by Torpedo the other Tidy managers. If I 943 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,599 can pull off this win against Pish, if I have a chance to get 944 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:19,760 promoted, and especially because these two are going to be good next year, 945 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,559 so I'll continue to be in contention. And if I can get promoted, 946 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,719 then if I'm still in this league and Mitchkoff is destroying me week the week, 947 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,679 then I'll be sad. But if I can get promoted before that happens, 948 01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:37,199 then I'll call it a win. That's exactly what I was gonna This 949 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,199 is what the Tidy does. As far as trade values. It's a little 950 01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:45,920 bit different in maybe enables trades that wouldn't work in other league formats. If 951 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,159 you win, you beam up, man, nothing matters anymore. You walk 952 01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:53,440 toward the light, you know you're gone. And others can deal with this. 953 01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:58,519 But boy, I both look at this and say, gosh, I 954 01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:02,199 wish that I had you in my division, because I so would have made 955 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,920 a trade like this with you, the same way that the Shimone did. 956 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,119 Because but on the other hand, I love everything you did. I do 957 01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:16,400 not trust in Nishushkin. This is a guy who the off I stuff could 958 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400 take him out of the playoffs at any time. You can't rely on this 959 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,119 guy to win your league this year. Landskaig is a completely distressed asset who 960 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,840 knows if he'll ever be anything again. Spencer night Sky high upside and yet 961 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,760 you know, also way out of the limelight. Now, Jamie Drysdale such 962 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,119 an intriguing throw in. But Matt Fay Mitchikoff. I went so hard at 963 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:44,000 match Matt bay Mitchikoff in the league that were that you were showing my trades 964 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,960 from earlier, and I just could not get him no matter what I threw 965 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:56,440 out there. So you threw five intriguing pieces back consolidation distressed assets. But 966 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,079 the guys you got, you're absolutely right. If it pushes you one one 967 01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,119 point over the top, that's worth everything. You can trade everything on your 968 01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,079 roster if it takes you one point over the top, because next year doesn't 969 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:10,840 matter. And like you said, Buchhard's only twenty four years old. That's 970 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,880 a future piece. That's not a win. That's not Chris Kreider, that's 971 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,239 you know, that's not Josh Morris. This is a guy who absolutely could 972 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,239 last a long time and could thrive on this team for a long time. 973 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,559 So yeah, if your windows this year and next year, I don't see 974 01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:32,079 Landeskog, Knight, Mitchikoff, even Drysdale doing much for you next year. 975 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,519 And who knows about Nishushkin. I'd rather have an end of those two. 976 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:40,199 Buschard is going to be a star for you next year. So this makes 977 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:45,039 complete sense for both teams as far as I'm concerned, because you are going 978 01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,000 all in, You've made multiple trades. You didn't just do one. If 979 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:51,079 this had been done in a vacuum and you were like the five seed and 980 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,920 this was the only trade you made, I'd say, what do you I 981 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,599 don't know, Victor, I don't know if I would have done that. 982 01:05:56,679 --> 01:06:00,119 But when you think you can push yourself over the top man, and you're 983 01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:04,480 making several trades to go all in, why not Jesse. I'm going to 984 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:10,639 piggyback on your thought here that Bouchard is not just a future piece. Evan 985 01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,840 Bouchard in the Tidy this year is in the top ten of per game fantasy 986 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,239 point scoring with eight point twenty seven. At the present moment, he is 987 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:25,119 the second best defenseman in the tidy only second to Cale mccarr, which I 988 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,440 think makes a lot of sense. And so, yeah, you've acquired the 989 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,039 best piece right now, the best piece for the future, and all you 990 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,800 had to do was give up five players who, all for various reasons, 991 01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:40,800 are like the question Mark Blocks and Super Mario Brothers. Right now, Jamie 992 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,760 Drysdale is injured again. I feel like this is a recording at this point. 993 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:49,519 Gabriel Landeskog might not have the knee cartilage necessary to play a game like 994 01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:53,639 hockey anymore. We've seen him skating a little bit, but from what I've 995 01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:57,719 read about his injury, it's no treat to play with that level of pain. 996 01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,760 Spencer Knight and Valeria Nuchushkin are both in and out of the player Assistance 997 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,400 program for various reasons. Who knows, I agree with Jesse, who knows 998 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,000 if Nichushkin will even be available for you at the time that you're looking to 999 01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:12,719 beat Pish right now, And he wouldn't have been certainly. And then mattve 1000 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,559 Mitchkov is just an ephemeral interesting player. We don't really know when he's going 1001 01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:20,039 to be here. We know he's probably going to be pretty good but again 1002 01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:24,239 it's not going to help you right now. So you moved five question blocks 1003 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,760 for the best player, one of the best players in the league. So 1004 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,000 how can anyone look down on that deal? In my opinion, well, 1005 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,400 apparently a lot of the tidy managers can. And did you see a lot 1006 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,920 of exciting names. I think in the like two or three seconds that you're 1007 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,039 thinking about the deal before you click. And I think, while it is 1008 01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:44,480 great data for us to be collecting and to have, and I think it's 1009 01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,519 worth the time that it takes to get those polls up, I do think 1010 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,199 that in this case the poll is incorrect. And I think anyone who's listening 1011 01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,639 to this episode will be probably like, oh, yeah, I was wrong, 1012 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,639 or at least it makes sense. It makes sense. I think when 1013 01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,280 you look at these poles too, you're off inclined to pick a winner, 1014 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,920 whereas if you really think about it, probably most of them are just even. 1015 01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,639 It's fun to have. It's fun to pick a winner, and that's 1016 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,840 it's a little bit maybe soft to say, oh, it's just everything's fair, 1017 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,239 everything's even, so it drives you to pick one, which is cool. 1018 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,600 But yeah, I think if we when we talk it out oftentimes he's 1019 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,600 end up being a little bit more even than the polls suggest, and that 1020 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,720 you got to remember the the clientele here too. These are people who love 1021 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,199 prospects, Matt bay Mitschkopf, and that just makes you want to click that 1022 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:35,840 side. And it's easy to miss, how somehow in my mind, sometimes 1023 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,479 it's easy to miss the greatness of Epen Buchhard right now and what he's able 1024 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,359 to do with the Edmonton Oilers and Spencer Night Jamie Drysdale. This is one 1025 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,640 at two years ago, if you would have looked at this would have been 1026 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,600 such a ridiculous slam dunk that Victor probably would have had to give up the 1027 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,000 podcast had he made the trade based on the values of that time. But 1028 01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,399 this is a different era. Evan Bouchard is established and some of these other 1029 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,079 guys to shine has come off. And I think it's a great that's a 1030 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:08,039 great point that you've mentioned there, Jesse. These the perspectives on these players 1031 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:12,319 change year over year. If you were to drop this episode into maybe two 1032 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,000 years ago of hearing you guys talk about someone like Thomas Bordolou or like William 1033 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,079 Ecklin and how great the san Jose Sharks are going to be we would be 1034 01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:24,000 having a different conversation right now. So the perspectives on these players change even 1035 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:26,800 quicker than year over year, I would say month over month, week over 1036 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,520 week even I really love this deal for you, Victor. And here we 1037 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,680 are, and we've made it to the end of the mountain of trades here 1038 01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,520 ten trades. We've gone a little longer, I think than we usually do. 1039 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,319 So thanks for sticking with us, fair listener, And to Victor, 1040 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,039 why don't you take us out here? Yeah, I was just going to 1041 01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:46,680 say you can have the podcast when you probably from my cold end fingers. 1042 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,199 I'm not going up. He's not going anywhere, folks. Hey, another 1043 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:55,640 argument about why Veto's are evil because maybe two years ago people wouldn't have known 1044 01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:59,680 Matt Bay Mitchkoff were how high he was going to assent. But nonetheless, 1045 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,439 you get my point. This is why Vito's shouldn't happen, because things can 1046 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:08,239 change. And yeah, here we are at the end of our tidy Takes 1047 01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:11,800 segment, and thanks for joining us here as we went through a whole host 1048 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,479 of trades. And I'm sure the guys have more for you coming up after 1049 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:30,239 the train. 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Kevin 1058 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,600 Adams did some good work in preparation, as he always does with our show. 1059 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,359 Sheets Ryan Downey you heard him, man. He's a full on third 1060 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:20,359 of mego in this episode, and he is doing the lord's work on these 1061 01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:26,479 tidy leagues which are coming to their climax right now. Jeremy v is our 1062 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,119 lead scout. Lots of scouting reports to be done in this offseason. Jason 1063 01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:35,479 is helping with our prospect ranks. Brandon Boy Brandon is the MVP right now. 1064 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,960 It seems like not to discount the contributions of all these other gentlemen. 1065 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,479 But if you have seen these FHL visualizations, that is the excitement of the 1066 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,960 week right now. You can see them. If you look at either one 1067 01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:53,960 of our X feeds you can see some examples. But these are things Brandon 1068 01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:59,680 has been putting together with the data behind the scenes and giving people a visual 1069 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,680 as to look at prospects and how they stack up in different categories. It's 1070 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,479 really cool. If you have skills you'd like to lend the show. Find 1071 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,800 Victor. Victor's easy to find. You can get in our discord and get 1072 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,399 with him. You can email Fantasy HOCKEYLFE at gmail dot com, or you 1073 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:20,439 can check us out on x X Victor Nuno twelve. You can reach me 1074 01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:26,319 on x at fan Hockey Life. We're brought to you by Daber Hockey and 1075 01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:30,920 Daber Prospects. Victor is an editor there. You can follow his work as 1076 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,199 well as this other podcast, Dabra prospect Report with Peter Harling. You can 1077 01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:39,600 check out Victor's articles at EP Ringside. He's part of the Fantasy team with 1078 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,720 Cam Robinson and Mike Clifford. Over there. I do a solo show called 1079 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,279 Dynasty Sports Life. We talk all the Dynasty sports there. Baseball is just 1080 01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:53,399 around the corners, so we're going to be talking about baseball this week a 1081 01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:58,520 couple of the the Dynasty storylines going into the season. So you can have 1082 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:03,600 a listen to Dynasty Sports It drops every Tuesday. Rate and review this podcast 1083 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,920 Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever else you get your pods. 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