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It's the Downbeat on ninety seven to
one, the free Julius to call me,

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Oh my Julia. I'm Kevin Turner
with Danny Baylis. Mike Stroy is

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out today, a little sick.
He'll be back tomorrow, we think,

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although cold and flu symptoms kind of
popping up around these parts this time of

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year. Of course, want to
get into some sports in a second.

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First, going to give a quick
update on a bit of a developing situation

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out in Roanoke. I like Ronoke, by the way, Ronoke's out there,

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a little to the west, but
still definitely in the metroplex. Oh,

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a good downtown situation over there in
Roanoke. There is a major train

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de realment that's happened in the city
of Ronoke, and this is south of

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Highway one fourteen, right along Highway
three seventy seven. Three coal cars and

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a portion of the locomotive off the
tracks. According to Madison Sawyer of CBS

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eleven, they are saying that Highway
three seventy seven will be shut down at

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eight am, and this is expected
to be an all day event. So

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they're shutting three seventy seven down for
cleanup at eight am. So, my

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god, if you're in that part
of the world and you're traveling, look

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out. You might be going back
to work and dealing with a massive commute,

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or you could use it for an
excuse to just go in late.

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Hey traffic got me, you know, if you want to use it to

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your advantage. But big deal man
trained dee elments have been We've seen a

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few, and there was obviously big
stories nationally about that. Don't think about

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it too often around here, but
there's a bunch of trains and a big

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dealilmen. I don't know if ane's
been hurt. No injuries have been reported,

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and it was they said three coal
cars, but kind of a big

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deal there on them. Seems like
a big deal. Luckily, I'm not

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driving on three seventy seven today,
but if you are, look out train

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derailment in Roanoke. We'll give you
more details if we can find them.

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I'm seeing a couple of pictures and
man, it's wild to see a huge,

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you know, car on this train, just to see it off the

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tracks. It's it's pretty nuts.
And I'm seeing this happened in twenty sixteen,

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and that's what I'm seeing pictures of
is from twenty sixteen. The derailment.

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Thin, I'm not seeing anything nothing
yet from today, but this is

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fresh. This is just within the
hour. Yeah, it started being reported

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about fifty minutes ago. Hopefully no
one's hurt all that, No injury is

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reported yet. Yeah, one seventy
seven, Yes, goodly, Well,

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we're all. We'll keep you updated
if we find out anything else. Also,

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we'll give you the latest on Epstein's
list at seven point thirty. I

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can't wait for this skin weight on
it. We'll tell you maybe that's the

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real reason he's not coming in today. But before we do that, let's

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get to this because this is gonna
be Meaty's now sports all right, Saturday

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night not sponsored today? Well slow
slow starts the quarter uh Cowboys and lines

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on Saturday. Well, let's tell
you eight o'clock, we're a dive into

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little mav stuff. Mark Cuban commented
on the sale of the team, which

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was official over the holidays ut last
night big college football playoff action? Is

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that game ended to run f and
midnight? Get into that at eight?

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I can't believe you stayed up for
that. You stayed up for the whole

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damn thing. Was it down to
the wire? Yeah, because I know

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what text is only lost by what
a touchdown. I can't wait to fill

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you in on what happened. Okay, as to be sleepy, No,

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I'm okay. We' running a pure
adrenaline. At nine o'clock, NFL on

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Fox, Rules analyst Dean Blandino will
come in. We'll call in to you

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know, give us the definitive word
on the ruling that shook the NFL and

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it really did have ramifications for three
teams. Yeahs here this Sunday night,

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the Cowboys win twenty to nineteen after
they thought they were gonna lose twenty one

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to twenty, but they end up
winning twenty to nineteen. And we can

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go a lot of different places.
I think we should start with just kind

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of how the game went. First, they won twenty one to twenty.

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They would have lost twenty two to
twenty. Yeah, twenty two to twenty

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one? Sorry, yeah, is
that right? It was twenty to nineteen

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either way. The Lions were going
for two y. Yeah, that's right,

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that's right, that's right, that's
right. Not bad that game.

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I kind of sat there the whole
time and went, Okay, when are

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the Cowboys gonna pull away? Here? And they never did. And then

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it got to the point where they
were behind nineteen thirteen, they score and

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they go up twenty to nineteen.
I I I'm sorry they were up.

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And when I was thinking about that
game though, I kind of thought the

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Cowboys, Okay, first of all, they're good at home, and it

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was a tight, tight first half
is exactly what I predicted. And then

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I predicted that it would get to
the half and they're gonna do this.

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We talked about it. I think
they're gonna do this. How about them

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Cowboys? Thing was they induct Jimmy
Johnson at the Ring of Honor, and

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the Cowboys are gonna come out on
fire and just blow them out. Yeah,

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you texted that to me and Mikey
did halftime of that game. We

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were all kind of watching it,
you know, not in the same room,

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but watching it together and staying connected
on our phones. And yeah,

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I thought, yeah, it sounds
like a likely scenario that they kind of

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playing around in the first half and
then just getting the ball back or you

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know, on the second half kickoff
and just run away with it. Not

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the case, man, That thing
was in jeopardy the entire way. They

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should have lost yeah, and that's
our I mean, the big stuff from

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that game is that what happened at
the end and the events, the chain

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of events at the end of the
game where the Cowboys had the ball and

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could have really put the game away, there was a I'm gonna call it

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a phantom tripping call. I believe
it's on Peyton Hendersho at the tight end

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and they call the tripping on him, where if you go back and watch,

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it kind of looks like it's a
Lions player who did the tripping,

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So it's not a good call,
but it put the Cowboys in a first

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and twenty five position as they're trying
to kind of milk out the clock here,

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and the score at this point is
Cowboys twenty line thirteen. And when

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that penalty happened, I'm looking at
the time that was left in that game,

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and I'm seeing Danny right here.
I've got it pulled up here.

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I think it was a little under
two minutes left because that first and twenty

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five. Yeah, first and twenty
five, they're the two minute warning.

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The first playoff out of the two
minute warning, it's first and twenty five.

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Then the Detroit forty four, there's
two minutes left. The Lions have

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two timeouts. Okay, first and
twenty five. The Cowboys run a slant

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route to Ceedee Lamb. They get
eleven yards and it's like, okay,

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that's ballsy, but it's a completion. Sure, so best of both worlds.

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We got ten or eleven yards and
time out by the lines, they

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have to use a timeout, and
then it's second and fourteen. I think

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conventional wisdom would tell you, you're
up twenty thirteen, you've got a good

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kicker, let's just go ahead and
run the ball here. And and I'm

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sorry at that point, Danny was
seventeen to thirteen, not twenty to thirteen.

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Seventeen to thirteen. Run the ball
here. And they run a play

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that breaks down and Dak ends up
just launching it into the back of the

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end zone, stops the clock.
Lions don't have to use a timeout,

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and they could have taken forty seconds
off the clock. After the game,

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Dak said that was on him.
That was what the hell just tappened play?

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It really was. It was so
confusing to everybody watching it, the

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booth, the players on the field, the people in the stands that made

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not when you saw that ball just
flying out of the back of the end

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zone. I'm like, what are
they doing? And what he said he

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was accountable for? What did he
say? He basically Mike never asked about

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the play call on that, and
he basically said he knew he you can't,

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you know, leave the leave the
clock stopped. He might have been

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getting MacArthur's back. I'm not real
sure that's better to take a sack there,

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dude, that point yeah, take
you yeah, I mean, as

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long as you're not like out of
field goal range, because they're with a

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thirty three yard line, so you're
but Aubrey, you're confident, hasn't missed

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all year, so you're good.
Don't. As long as you don't lose

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like seven yards, we're good.
But what that did the Cowboys then had

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made the decision clearly, we're gonna
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Okay, once they threw to Ceedee
Lamb on first down, We're not

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just gonna run it three times,
make the lines, used both timeouts,

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and then take an extra forty seconds
off the clock. But what that incompletion

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did is it does keep you at
one fifty five on the clock. Third

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down, they check down to Ferguson. He gets eight yards easier field goal

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lines used their last time out,
but the Lions are now going to get

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the ball with one forty five left. It's a lot and it's twenty to

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thirteen, especially when the way that
the Cowboys were playing defense. I mean,

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the oh my god, the biggest
sponge prevent you've ever seen in your

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life. It does no matter what
three plays and they were right there.

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It was You're hoping the pass rush
would have got there or something, but

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they were. You're right. They
did the basic build a wall on the

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outside, keep them inside. And
the lines are like, well, yeah,

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but you left us a minute forty
five, so we have time to

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do it. Yeah. Now if
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because of the fact that there's almost
two minutes on the clock, let's tree

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gouack. If one of those play
calls was a running play, or you

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just have an easy completion and stand
bounds. Civil Matt tells you that the

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Lioness would beginning the ball with one
oh five left and no timeout, Well

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that still maybe they still get in. Maybe maybe they do, but that

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that at that point you eliminate being
able to use that big area that's in

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the center of the field. Yeah, because how many times did did they

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spike the ball when they would run
up to the line. I think at

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least two, they did it three
times. Okay, you can't do that

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when you have fifty five seconds on
the clock. That's just not it's not

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possible. You were working the sidelines, you're trying to get out of bounds

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and stopping the clock. But the
amount of yardage that you're accumulating when you're

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when you're in that in that predicament, it's just not enough to get big

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chunks to get down there quick enough. So, yeah, it was I

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think here's the thing for me,
and the clock would dictate how you play

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that, right, But given the
lines the ball back with one five compared

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to giving them the ball back with
one oh five, they scored with twenty

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three seconds on the clock, which
tells you the clock would have been expired.

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That's an easy way to look at
it, I know. And Troy

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brought that point up too, like, there's your forties forty seconds is the

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number we're kind of watching here,
because those are time that you could have

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taken now that easily. Asta McCarthy, right, sure, And Troy is

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so great at passive aggressive comments.
Yeah, well the game should be over

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right now. He didn't care.
No, he does not care. I

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think those guys took a little bit
more money and I think they kind of

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don't like it at ESPN kind of
don't like Monday night football any They kind

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of don't like it, asked to
stay on it. Yeah, they took

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a lot of money. Van Pelt
after the game. Yeah, they're getting

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ass games every Monday. They took
a new job, thought it would be

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rosy, and then they're kind of
like ass games. Ass games. Uh.

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So the Lions get in, they
score a Monroel Saint Brown, who's

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awesome, and it's twenty to nineteen
and they say it'll for two. So

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here's what happened. According to the
NFL Game Book, it'll tell you that

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Dan Skipper, a guy weirdly who
I met in Jeff Kavanaugh's backyard. Long

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story, reserve offensive tackle Dan Skipper
reported in as eligible. Now, for

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those of you that don't know,
I will quickly do this. You can

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report that you're an eligible wide receiver
and you're basically shifting the offensive one a

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little bit differently, and you have
to do that because you have to tell

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the defense so they're allowed to substitute
and know who the eligible receiver is.

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It's common sportsmanship and courtesy and it's
in the rules. So the ref says

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that number seventy, Dan Skipper reports
in is eligible, which would make left

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tackle Taylor Decker ineligible. Correct.
The Lions run a gimmick play and it

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is a pass to the left tackle
Taylor Decker, who is uncovered, uncovered

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and ineligible, and by uncovered,
the receivers off the line of scrimmage.

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Well, if the receiver's on the
line of scrimmage, then he can't be.

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The receiver was not on the line
of scrimmage. Taylor Decker was eligible

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according to what the Lions said,
and a lot of he said, she

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said, going on, well,
he said, he said, he said,

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going on the ref And if there's
video evidence of this, now,

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the ref just messed up because Taylor
Decker of the Detroit Lions goes to the

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ref first and says, I'm eligible. He points at himself, says he

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said it. Also, there's slow
motion video footage of Dan Skipper, number

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seventy going I didn't say an F
and word. I didn't say an F

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and word. I didn't say an
E, F and word, so Dan

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Skipper. And if you watch the
video evidence, which didn't come out until

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after the game, where you see
all this from up in the press box,

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Dan Skipper looks a little confused when
he runs out there. I think

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he's probably on purpose too loud for
the refs to go, number sixty eight

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is in? Is eligible? Okay? Kind of two out at that time,

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so common to just go, hey, defense, here's the eligible guy.

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They just said that number seventy was
eligible instead of sixty eight. They

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got him mixed up. They got
a mixed and they told the defense the

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wrong thing. And I don't I
think Skipper was just a little confused about

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where to line up. Skipper was
not going out there to talk to the

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ref. He might have been going
out there to act like he was talking

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to the ref. But if he
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ref says that seventies eligible, okay
hmm, but seventy didn't say anything,

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then the ref messed up. Now, the other take on this is maybe

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don't run a trick play like that
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the referee, which I kind of
agree with. But also this is common,

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and I think the evidence from postgame
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the right. Here here is their
meatball head coach Dan Campbell after the game.

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Yeah, the explanation he got out
to two point seventy reported. Did

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Decker report as well? Yeah?
The explanation was seventy reported, and they

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need to announce that if both players
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don't want to talk about it,
right. I explained everything pre game to

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a t Okay, I did that. Okay, So he explained before the

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game. Very common. If you
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run something that the refs need to
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get before the game. Okay,
just so they're not for this specific situation.

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I think that's I mean, a
you lost. Another reason why they

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were furious about this is because he
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Now hold that for a minute,
because I want you to hear Jared

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Goff after the game, because I
thought this was pretty good as he kind

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of walks through it. What I
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I'll get fine for this, but
I do know that Decker reported I do

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know that Dan Skipper did not,
and I do know that they said that

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Dan Skipper did, so it's unfortunate. Now, in the pool report after

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the game, which is where one
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the head referee, and it's all
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Association, they switch out this duty. Calvin Watkins of the Dallas Warning News

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sits down with Brad Allen, the
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that, yeah, he says the
opposite of what Jared Goff just said.

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Well, LA seventy reported so sixty
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like no, and Taylor Decker number
sixty eight in this case. What he

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was asked about, it goes,
I just did what coach told me to

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do. I went and reported like
all of this is just a ref screwing

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up. Yeah, and it changed
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not redeemed the it is not forgive
the sins of Dan Campbell that followed this.

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Oh my god, no it doesn't. And look, man, I

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I don't even know why he wouldn't
just tie it up initially. Yeah,

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because there's a five yard penalty and
they moved the ball back to the Sinne

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I'm talking about before this trick scenario
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mean, look, dude, just
kick the extra point. Take your chances

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in overtime. Your defense has been
absolutely man handling the Cowboys, and the

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Cowboys have had no I mean,
not that it would matter in overtime,

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but their left guard was hurt too. Tyler Smith was not going to be

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like their chances. I was thinking
that the whole time, like, just

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kick it because the Cowboys left guard
is out now, but you've got a

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chance to do a little damage in
overtime. Maybe, but you know,

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maybe he didn't trust the defense.
Why their defense was incredible. I thought

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they were playing pretty well too,
really well. Well. I was wrong,

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though. Do you want to hear
his explanation. NFL figured some stuff

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out after that Buffalo game. Dude, I think they did. They really

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did, and that's a problem going
into the playoffs. But more than that,

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here's here's Dan Campbell. Here's why
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what, I want my coaches to
take emotion out of their decisions. I

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want them to be very calm.
I don't like I cannot stand the coach

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who can't help himself and runs on
the field. Sean McVay drives me nuts.

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It's almost like he was running going
for two again, just despite the

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referees. Well, you know what, you screwed us on that, We'll

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show you. We'll do it even
five yards further back. Kick this out.

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Seventy reported sixty eight six. Here
we go. Yeah, can you

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just explain the you know, the
mentality to go for two there at the

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end. Obviously he wanted to keep
the game in your hand and you try

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to win it. I told the
offense that we were we were going down

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one forty one left, We're gonna
go down to score and then we're gonna

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go for two and finish this game
out. I told him that, and

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so that's what we were doing.
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When you get backed up to there
to the seven in from the two

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point played, did you think at
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Okay? He just like and all
the media is just like, okay,

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I'm not gonna ask coul Kogan any
more questions anymore. I got like,

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he looks like he wants to punch
me. I'm not asking any more questions

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because at the seven yard line,
Micah Parsons jumps off sides, so they

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go have to just have to this
goal. So from the four yard line

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the lines go for two and run
a play where, honestly, if Jared

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Goff could wait a little bit longer, he had laporta wide opening the end

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zone on the slant route. He
misses the out route. He had the

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guy there too, and Jared Goff
just made a bad throw because Cowboys pressure

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was in his face a little bit, and the Cowboys escape twenty to nineteen

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after the world thought they had just
lost. And even though Micah was barely

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off sides on that play, it
had no effect on the play. I

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don't even know if Goff knew that
he had a free play. I don't

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know there. I don't think he
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up a failed attempt as well.
Yes, yeah, the couch, I

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mean they got to stop, that's
the thing the cowboy. Yes, the

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Cowboys got to stop two times in
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the seven, and then I guess
what the three and a half once the

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penalty was enforced. It just wasn't
a good look for Detroit at all.

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It was not a good look for
Dan Campbell man. I God, when

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you're at the seven, dude,
okay, what if there'd have been a

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holding call instead of a you know, an ineligible receiver and then they're backed

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up to the to the twelve.
Yeah, you know he's still gonna do

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it. I mean, what is
the what the problem? What's the maximum

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wage? You know, how far
back do you go before you all right,

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we'll just kick it and tie it. The odds have been he's so

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damn hardheaded. He could have been
on the fifteen and still try to go

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for it. The odds are like, I mean, I don't know how

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much it decreases. It's not much, you know, from two to seven.

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But one thing about all that too, like the whole I'll run through

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a through a wall for this dude
thing. That's all great, and that's

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good and you like it, but
also, dude, at some point right

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there, kick it, tie and
the other team you've been wearing out a

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little bit and they're left guards out
and you know that's a weakness. It

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just seemed like all too easy of
an equation. I'm pretty aggressive when it

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comes to football, too, Okay, So I'm I like when guys are

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going forward a lot on fourth down, and I think it makes a lot

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of sense sometimes, but boy,
sometimes things come to play. Like dude,

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I don't know if he knew that
Tyler Smith would not be returning.

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I don't know that, but it
was pretty clear Tyler Smith was not returning.

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And that's a big part of the
Cowboys in a big weakness that you

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probably could have attacked and maybe got
in the winning overtime. Either way,

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doesn't matter. Cowboys win currently the
two seed because the Eagles lost to the

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Cardinals, and the Eagles are in
effing mess right now. They're gonna be

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in But we were talking about,
Hey, we're on a crash course for

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taking on the Bucks in Tampa Bay
and wildcard round. Now the Cowboys are

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going to host if they win the
Sunday are going to host the first round

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playoff game. Their opponents look like
it could be green Bay if the Packers

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beat the Bears, could be Seattle
if Greenway was to lose. There's a

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lot we can get into. Yeah, let's get into that in about an

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hour from now at eight thirty,
we'll hit all of this stuff Dingu's Morning

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News. We'll also we didn't even
talk about the halftime ring of honor festivities

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and wild wireless Mike Jerry Ceedee,
Lamb's day. Good lord, we've got

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to look at that as well.
So much more to discuss from Cowboys lines.

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We'll do that definitely at eight thirty
five, but coming up next,

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Kevin Turner has the scuttle butt,
and boy the stories are abound. Yes,

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Danny, what better way to start
off the year than by finding out

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which celebrities we're doing terrible things at
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