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He has gained extensive knowledge of 67 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:16,439 the topic through a combination of conceptual analysis and practical field work. As an 68 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:23,279 engaging public speaker, he has been invited to share his insights on various media 69 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:28,079 outlets and platforms. In two twenty three, he published his new book, 70 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:32,720 The Phenomenal Sasquatch, Seeking the Natural Origin of a Cultural Icon, a book 71 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:39,839 that demonstrates his dedication to unraveling the truth behind this intriguing mystery. Matt is 72 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:44,519 also a member of the North American Woodape Conservancy, and he is also the 73 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:49,560 producer and editor of the podcast Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. So 74 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:55,600 now, without further ado, please welcome Matt Pruitt. Thanks for having me, 75 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,839 Barnaby. How's it going, Matt, It's going very well per Monday. 76 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,839 Yeah, that's true, that's very true. And as I said, 77 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,879 it's very early for me here. Well it's neon, but I work, 78 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,839 you know, second shift, so my sleep schedule is always way off, 79 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,519 you know. But I'm awake today, I'm feeling good, and I'm glad 80 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,040 that you're here with us because we have a lot to go over. Man, 81 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,160 for those of you who don't know, I got a little bit of 82 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,000 your bio there obviously, but can you tell us a little bit about yourself 83 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,600 and how you got interested in Bigfoot to begin with? Well, you know, 84 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,600 not to belabor the point because I know I've told the story at gazillion 85 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,759 times on podcasts, but essentially, I did have an experience when I was 86 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,360 young. We didn't see the things myself and for other people heard things, 87 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,720 and then, uh, you know, had no real conventional explanation for it 88 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:45,120 because we knew we weren't dealing with people. It was in a densely forceded 89 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,159 environment Northeast Georgia and they weren't behaving or making sounds like normal animals, you 90 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,320 know, certainly weren't deer or bear or anything of that nature. And it 91 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:01,360 was subsequently that I stumbled on Sasquatch related information and thought it was posterous until 92 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,200 I started digging into the testimonies and then hearing these purported vocalization recordings and other 93 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,679 sounds, and realized, like what people describe that they associate with the Sasquatch 94 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,440 or what they record and attribute to the Sasquatch was very much like what we 95 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,879 heard and experienced. So that was fairly interesting, and I thought, well, 96 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,799 I'll look into this. I was pretty skeptically minded and thought, you 97 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:24,240 know, I'll get to the bottom of this pretty quickly and see that there's 98 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:28,080 nothing there. And I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. 99 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,519 So I've been pursuing it, you know. It just sort of grew out 100 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:37,240 of that experience, first locally in North Georgia interviewing local witnesses and other parts 101 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,720 of southern Appalachia, and then started traveling the country a lot, pursuing field 102 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,600 research and other witness interviews things of that nature, networking with other investigators and 103 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,279 other people pursuing it, and so moved all over the country and done field 104 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:54,360 research all over the country, and it's just grown and grown and grown, 105 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,559 and so over the years, had various opportunities to work on things with Cliff 106 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,559 and Bobo and you know, other organizations and things of that nature. And 107 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,159 so try to wear a lot of hats and stay pretty busy with all things 108 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,679 sasquats related. But still haven't seen one. Still trying to figure out, 109 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,159 you know, still trying to get to the bottom of it, so to 110 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,799 speak. Absolutely, Lee would like to know where in Northeast Georgia she used 111 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,440 to live there. Yeah, I grew up right outside of Helen. So 112 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,279 we lived in Blairsville, Georgia until I was five, and then we moved 113 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,480 over right outside of Helen and that's basically where I grew up. And so 114 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,799 most of my field research has been in that part of Northeast Georgia, like 115 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,440 White County, Union County, but obviously a lot in Raven County, Fanning 116 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,080 County, some of these other areas too, but my experience was basically close 117 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,759 to hell and Georgia where I grew up. Awesome, awesome, awesome, 118 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:46,080 awesome. So today we are here to talk about your new book. So 119 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,559 there it is, man, I have a link here. I'm gonna try 120 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,519 and share that. There we go, So anybody in the comments section you 121 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:58,519 can go and check this out right away on Amazon and get yourself a copy 122 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:05,120 of that. Matt, tell us about your book and what what's going on 123 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,279 here? What is all your book about? Oh? Well, how much 124 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,200 time do we have? You know? I really I've been pursuing this for 125 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,159 so long, and I'm an avid reader. I have a huge library of 126 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,879 not only sasquatch related materials, but material related to other mystery ape sort of 127 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,840 phenomena around the world. And then you know a lot of literature on biology, 128 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:30,679 ecology, evolutionary biology, apes, and other i would say, analogous 129 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:35,600 animals, other analogous mammals, and so, living in the world of books, 130 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,919 I was always interested in writing a book at some point, and then 131 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:41,639 over the years just doing so much public speaking and interfacing with people. You 132 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:43,039 know, you do here, you have very kind people in your life, 133 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:48,480 and so you should write a book one day, And so it eventually all 134 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:50,159 added up to the point that okay, I should I should try to do 135 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,600 this, and what I was aiming at doing was to create as comprehensive a 136 00:11:54,639 --> 00:12:01,200 work as possible or that I'm capable of. Let's say that if if someone 137 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,639 were either brand new to the subject, they could read this one work and 138 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,080 have a fairly thorough education about the history of the subject, but that would 139 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,519 expand and develop the sort of dialogue or the conversation beyond what had been said 140 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,320 before that even you know, devoted students of the Sasquatch subject would see new 141 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,480 things and be introduced to new concepts and new information. And so, you 142 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:26,440 know, to put that in a nutshell, it's like, this is the 143 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,399 book that I wish had existed when I first got into the subject, because 144 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,840 you know, there are so many works on the topic, and people always 145 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:35,480 are like, well what should I read? And I'm like, well, 146 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,519 there's five essentials in my opinion, and then we could extend that to ten, 147 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,759 you know, five additional like near essentials, and then a lot of 148 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,240 other ancillary ones. And so it's like, well, how do you synthesize 149 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,360 a lot of this stuff into a single work, and then how do I 150 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:52,600 expand and develop it? So it's not a rehash and it's not just sort 151 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,200 of a recounting of things. That have already been sort of explored. So 152 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,679 it's my attempt to achieve all of those things wants in a single work absolutely 153 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,000 man. As I said, I actually did get a chance to read the 154 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,240 whole book, and it's it is everything that it's claimed to be. It 155 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:16,559 is an amazing work, amazing book for anybody that you know is just getting 156 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,200 into this, and anybody that you know, for your friends and family and 157 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,679 colleagues and stuff that don't believe in the Sasquatch topic at all. I think 158 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,759 it's all just legend or whatever. This book takes an amazing deep dive look 159 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:33,799 into all of that and you look at from both points of view, whether 160 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,879 it actually is a flesh and blood or it's you know, just something that 161 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,879 people are thinking or manifesting, or you know, from the psychological standpoint as 162 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,879 well, and just describing well, if it's this, this is why it 163 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,559 has to be that, and this is how it has to work. And 164 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,600 if it doesn't, well then that's not right. And it definitely is. 165 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,080 And it picks up like you said, where you know, you have Meldrum 166 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,960 book. Who I've heard a lot over and over and over again that Sasquatch 167 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:07,840 legend meets science. The first book is the you know, the epitome of 168 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,080 you know, big foot books. You know that if you're going to read 169 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,960 this book and you talk about it, you cover it, and you say, 170 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,879 this is great, here's a little bit of information, But go read 171 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,480 that book. You know, you don't waste the reader's time rehashing stuff like 172 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,440 you said, that's ben already written about in other books, but you still 173 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:30,120 keep it fresh and manage to cover all of those little details enough that the 174 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:35,559 reader has an understanding without having to read that book, but still gets gets 175 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,799 the grasp of it. So very well done. Well I appreciate that, 176 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 and I don't want it to be a proxy for anyone else's book. Like 177 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:45,200 the way I wanted to treat it. It's like here's here's this sort of 178 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,159 as comprehensive of you as I could provide. But if you wanted to do 179 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,159 a deep dive into certain elements of the history or certain you know, testimonial 180 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,720 claims, go read John Green's The Apes among Us because it's it's a deep 181 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,039 dive into that. If you want to do do a deeper dive into you 182 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,200 know, inferred foot morphology or the sort of technical aspects of footprints and what 183 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,279 we can learn from them. Read Krantz, read Meldrum. You know, 184 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,039 if you're looking for other elements of the history or maybe the worldwide mystery a 185 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,039 phenomenon, go Readive and T. Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen Legend come to Life. 186 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:20,240 So it's hopefully a jumping off point into these other great works. You know, 187 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,200 I certainly wouldn't want to treat it like as a replacement for them. 188 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,399 It's just that rather than handing someone five books and saying like, well, 189 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,440 if you read these you'll have a pretty strong foundation, it's like, well, 190 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,799 as you can start with this one single work and have a strong foundation 191 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:37,480 and then from their branch out into these others, because I do consider some 192 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,720 of those works so essential because people are seeing, you know, different aspects 193 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:46,759 of the subject through their various lenses. And to me, you know, 194 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,080 John Green is a huge influence. I think he's probably the most important of 195 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,399 all the original luminaries to this day in my estimation. And so you know, 196 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,320 there's there's people that haven't read Sasquatch leaves among us. You've got to 197 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:04,720 absolute you must read that book. And it's the same with the Anderson's book 198 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,240 and on and on. So hopefully it does introduce people, you know who 199 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:15,080 might not have read those works to go check those out too. Absolutely So 200 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,240 for me, you know, I I we were talking before the show, 201 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:21,200 and I've I've interviewed a lot of great people and I've I've tried to read 202 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,159 as much as I can, you know, being you know, as we 203 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,200 talked about leading up to this interview, I don't have time to read physical 204 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,679 books. I work twelve hours a day. I can listen to podcasts and 205 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,879 I can listen to audiobooks, and I've I've I've gotten a lot of information. 206 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,519 But for me, the one thing that stood out of your book that 207 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:44,159 I took from it was your your your presentation of the whole Sasquatch as a 208 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,120 predator. And that's why we can't find it because we're treating it like this, 209 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:53,360 you know, gentle giant, you know, just sitting around eating grass 210 00:16:53,519 --> 00:17:00,759 or leaves all day and not like a like a cougar or a wolf or 211 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,640 any of these other creatures. And I want you to kind of touch on 212 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:10,200 that and your thoughts on you know, treating this more as a predator when 213 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,119 we're out there trying to get evidence and pictures and tracking and stuff like that. 214 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,799 Certainly, well, it's it's certainly not a theory or a hypothesis that's 215 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,480 novel to me, although when it started to emerge from me it was in 216 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,079 about two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. But you know, 217 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,119 there were many other people that sort of arrived at that same conclusion inferring that 218 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,400 or seeing what patterns emerged from testimonial data. Let's say, you know, 219 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,880 eyewitness reports or claims. So you know, one of the earlier references, 220 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,319 I think Archie Buckley at one point had written about you know that in his 221 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:48,079 estimation they were cooperative ambush predators that primarily relied on ungulate resources and places. 222 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,680 You know, Matt Moneymaker with the BFRO had written about that. I think 223 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,920 he first started seeing those patterns in the nineteen nineties when he was living in 224 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,519 Ohio and finishing his law degree in investigating reports. They are seeing this connection 225 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:08,319 between these dear kill sites that local farmers had stumbled upon and reported that we're 226 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:14,319 happening concurrently with either sasquatch sightings or hearing vocalizations, things of that nature. 227 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,799 There was a great investigator out of Kansas named Keith Foster in the late nineties 228 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:25,079 early two thousands, who was investigating reports in Colorado that was seeing this connection 229 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:30,279 between what seemed to be predation sasquatch is preying upon elk and following elk movements 230 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,160 and things. So it's certainly not novel to me. But the thing that 231 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,519 to me, the major insight into that is that, well, could you 232 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:45,119 posit the existence of some big animal that's just that difficult to detect? And 233 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,359 so a lot of people think of the almost like mythologized sasquatch, which to 234 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,440 most people it is mythologies because it's not been proven to exist, you know. 235 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:57,880 But their version of the mythologized sasquatch is this big, gentle giant, 236 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,920 you know, bear eating collecting nuts, you know, eating leaves, things 237 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,359 of that nature. So it's hard to imagine some you know, thousand pound 238 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,720 plant eater being that difficult to detect. And the way that a lot of 239 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,799 people end up interpreting that is that it's all that their lifestyle is based upon 240 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:21,720 avoiding human detection, which is certainly possible, you know. I try to 241 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:23,640 explore that a bit when we're talking about the fossil record is that we do 242 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:29,319 know that Gigantopithecus and the genus Homo overlap for about a million years, little 243 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:33,599 over a million years, maybe longer, depending on how late gigantipitheciins survived or 244 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,039 if they're still around today, and you know, when early Homo sapiens were 245 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,440 occupying those areas too. But you know, there's a lot of discussion that, 246 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,599 well, did Homo erectus hunt Gigantopithecus. It's certainly possible, and so 247 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,839 it could be the case that at some point in time our ancestors put a 248 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,640 tremendous amount of pressure on the whatever the ancestral form of the sasquatch is, 249 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:59,279 whether it's Gigantopithecus or some other form of ape or maybe even hamanin as some 250 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,880 people have it. But I think it's more parsimonious or a simpler idea to 251 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,039 think, well, if we look at all these eyewitness testimony and the claims 252 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:11,799 and some of the physical evidence, there seems to be, you know, 253 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:18,119 a suggestion that they do rely on animal protein. In fact, I think 254 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,039 even in Green's database, you know, there were multiple analyzes of Green's database 255 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,799 that were performed over time, one of which he writes about in the Apes 256 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,440 among Us, which was published in the late seventies. But then, you 257 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,519 know, as his database continued to grow and he accumulated more reports, and 258 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,799 there were various other analyzes. But when you looked at categories of food that 259 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,039 sasquatches were either seen or claimed to have been seen, you know, obtaining 260 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:48,240 or processing meat constituted over half of the reports, and so clearly there's some 261 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,240 sort of Now some of that could be scavenging. Some of that, you 262 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,359 know, people claim to see them pick up a road kill or abscond with 263 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,000 a deer that was shot during a hunt, or you know, stealing a 264 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:02,240 deer carcass from a hunt camp. But most to those are claims that involved 265 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:07,200 seeing the sasquatch ambush whatever the prey animal is. So when you look at 266 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,279 an animal that has that sort of lifestyle, you know, a great analog 267 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,000 is the tiger. You know tigers. Now, tigers are obligate carnivores, 268 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,559 so they only eat meat. You know, sasquatches, if they exist, 269 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,799 seem to be some sort of omnivore, but with predatory tendencies or behaviors. 270 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:30,240 But animals that rely on hunting and especially ambush hunters. Their entire existence is 271 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:36,599 reliant on being undetected. You know, they need to not be noticed by 272 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,680 anything, or else they'll never get to eat. And so if that's a 273 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,319 primary driving force, a selection pressure, let's say over millennia, well, 274 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,400 then of course you would produce an animal. It's very difficult to observe. 275 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,359 And you know, again tigers being a great example of that. There's a 276 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,920 fantastic well, there's a few great books about tigers that I would recommend people 277 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,720 read because they're so analogous to the sasquatch. But one of the points they 278 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,079 make is that most of for example, the Siberian tiger, most of the 279 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:08,119 food that it eats are herd animals, and so it's not just lone individuals, 280 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,200 you know. So the tiger has to be undetected. It has to 281 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,200 you know, not be noticed at any time ever. And not only that, 282 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,640 but it has to infiltrate these herds in order to make it kill. 283 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,720 And so it has to basically slip past the defenses of dozens of pairs of 284 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,880 eyes and ears and nostrils, and so its entire lifestyle is predicated on that. 285 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,920 So when you look at the sasquatch, and you see this animal that 286 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,960 is so furtive and is capable of this stalking behavior and is very difficult to 287 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,559 observe and is very active at night. I mean, I highly doubt there's 288 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,640 that many nocturnal leaf eaters and you know, barry collectors and nut collectors. 289 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,279 So you think, well, what's what pressures would produce an animal of this 290 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,240 size with these behaviors you know, that exhibits these scenes in these certain contexts. 291 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,640 And it seems like, well, not only predatory behaviors, but specifically 292 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,920 ambush hunting behaviors, and especially the cooperative ones, because a lot of those 293 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,640 involve two individuals that seem to be working together, and many people's experiences seem 294 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,839 to be involving multiple individuals. People's claims of encountering sasquatches very often there's more 295 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,440 than one, and they seem to be working in you know, cooperatively, 296 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:22,400 in concert in some way. And so I think that as an explanatory model 297 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,480 really makes the most sense of like, why is it that an animal like 298 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:33,079 this would be so difficult to predict and observe and pursue and document. And 299 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,759 it's like, while most ambush predators fall in that sort of category, you 300 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,680 know, absolutely, and I may have misspoken, I'm not, you know, 301 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:45,119 I've always considered them to be, you know, the omnivores and the 302 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:51,039 carnivores as well. But more so what interests me about your book was you're 303 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,400 talking about how they hide, and you kind of touched on that as well, 304 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,400 you know, being that their whole life is based on being able to 305 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,720 ambush and hide like that. And that's what more stuck out with me, 306 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,359 not not the fact that they were carnivores, but oh certainly because yeah, 307 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,359 if they were moving around producing a lot of noise and you know, being 308 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,359 very visually out, they'd never they'd never get protein because everything would run away 309 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,440 from them all the time. And again, there's many other animals with similar 310 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,319 lifestyles that you could point to to say, okay, well that's a fairly 311 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,759 useful analog. What lessons from this animal might apply to the Sasquatch. And 312 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:29,680 you see those things emerge from the Sasquatch claims or reports, and to say, 313 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,039 well that it begins to put it into a more to me, a 314 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:37,279 more useful context to understanding, like this is why this is so difficult and 315 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,880 why most encounters are serendipitous or just seemingly random. You know, we might 316 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,440 say they're good luck, but most of the witnesses will tell you like, 317 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,839 it wasn't good luck. It was bad luck. You though, because they're 318 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,680 fairly frightening encounters. But to me, you don't have to invoke you know, 319 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,039 the supernatural or the mystical or the paranormal to explain the elusiveness of the 320 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,920 sasquatch, Nor do you have to invoke the this idea that they're just trying 321 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,039 to avoid human detection at all costs. It's like, well, they're probably 322 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:10,799 trying to avoid all detection at all costs because acquiring food is totally dependent on 323 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,440 that or at least to a large part, even if that's whatever portion of 324 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480 their diet. Let's say again, if they exist, I'll try not to 325 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,400 keep making that caveat because obviously, you know, you can't prove that this 326 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,759 task watch exists in a book or a podcast. We're still waiting on that 327 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,359 ultimate proof. So I end up making that caveat a lot. But you 328 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,079 know, if they exist, then who knows what portion of their diet is 329 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,240 protein, you know, animal meat, let's say, but it might be 330 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:42,279 significantly important that it's it's the major driving force in what they are physiologically and 331 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:48,599 behaviorally. And I think if you look at it from that perspective, the 332 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,920 rest of it kind of makes a lot more sense, at least biologically and 333 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,440 ecologically speaking. So you know, not only are you a researcher, you're 334 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,519 also a field worker as well, and get out there and look for these 335 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:07,039 things. So when you're talking about these things being the predator aspect, how 336 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,519 would you approach trying to get evidence and tracking these things as opposed to how 337 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,480 you know a lot of people have been doing it. You know, what, 338 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,240 what do you do different to track a carnivore or this this ambush predator 339 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,559 as opposed to any of the other things that we're out there looking for. 340 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,279 Well, it seems like that when you look at a certain sort of report. 341 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,359 You know, if you look at reports of people that have encounters in 342 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,079 viable sasquatch habitat, especially people that are on foot. Let's say, so 343 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,240 we can do away with motorists shusium crossing the road, or people in campgrounds 344 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,640 where one voluntarily comes into a camp at night or something of that nature. 345 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,920 But you know, there's there's the vast majority of them, or are these 346 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,440 serendipitous, very fast encounters where you know, they basically run into each other 347 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,000 and the person sees the sasquatch and the sasquatch sees the person, and they 348 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,680 both tend to, you know, turn the opposite direction and run as fast 349 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,319 as they can, basically simultaneously. But then you have this subset of reports 350 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:07,799 where there's intimidation or aggression involved, you know, where it's like, instead 351 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,559 of immediately fleeing, the things stick around and they almost betray their presence by 352 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:18,400 being somewhat confrontational. Now you really dig into those it's really not that confrontational 353 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,440 because they're still, according to the claimants, you know, behind large obstructions 354 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,519 like big trees or big boulders, and so they're making a big noise and 355 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,240 thrashing stuff and banging things, but they're still doing it from behind the safety 356 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:32,799 of cover. You know, like they're big whimps, you know what I 357 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,400 mean. But when you experience those things, it's pretty terrifying. It doesn't 358 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240 seem all that whimpy. So you think, well, what is it about 359 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:45,400 those situations that makes them willing to be confrontational with humans? Sometimes multiple humans, 360 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,079 Like, why is it that they didn't just exit in that situation whereas 361 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:53,359 they do in these other places. And very often you'll find when you read 362 00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:00,400 into the sort of environmental context where those aggressive encounters occur, they match almost 363 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,880 point for point the sort of environmental context where people claim to see them ambush 364 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:10,880 prey as if you know, perhaps you know, I think to me, 365 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,599 what I would see in that is that, well, ambush hunting is a 366 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:19,839 difficult endeavor, right, and so you would want to have every advantage that 367 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,759 you could possibly muster. So some of those things would be okay. Well, 368 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:27,279 if the terrain creates some kind of a natural choke point or bottleneck where 369 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,519 animals are funneled into a very specific place to move through, that's a great 370 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:36,519 place to facilitate an ambush versus you know, if you are on some big 371 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,720 flat plane, you know, with a sort of monotonous environment, or what 372 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,559 are they going to do chase down prey that could run anywhere and everywhere. 373 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,759 No, you would probably want to lay and wait in hiding somewhere that you 374 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,480 know that animals will come into and they don't have anywhere to go, and 375 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,759 you could just easily grab them, and so that tends to be the case 376 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,599 when you deeply read again those predatory reports and then the aggressive of reports. 377 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,799 They are almost always describing the same sort of environmental context landscape, and it 378 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:08,519 seems to me that maybe they figured out that like, oh well, if 379 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:14,680 humans are here, our prey won't come around because there's this disruptive thing, 380 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,319 these loud and noisy, smelly, bright people, you know, flashlights at 381 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,160 night, whatever the case may be. And so we need to we can't 382 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,799 afford to leave, to go over to the next valley. You know, 383 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240 we need to get these humans to leave of their own volition, and they 384 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:33,000 basically have a near success rate if you listen to the reports. You know, 385 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,720 people always are like, we got out of town, you know, 386 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,519 we got out of dodge, And so those would be the kind of places 387 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,559 that I would target. Is you know, you're looking at topographical maps and 388 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240 aerial photo, satellite imagery, whatever the case would be, and you're trying 389 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,200 to find the places, okay, well where what in the environment constitutes a 390 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,680 natural choke point or bottleneck and start there, and so you want to scout 391 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,279 those places during the day. And if there's no dear son, there's no 392 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,119 deer track, there's no deer scat doesn't look like deer been browsing. Well, 393 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:04,759 this probably isn't the best place. So you want to find that sort 394 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:10,960 of confluence of you know, where are the concentration of prey animals like deer 395 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,359 or in other parts of the country it might be wild hogs elk up in 396 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,759 the northwest or the inner Mountain West, etc. And then trying to find 397 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,759 the kind of places that constitute those natural bottlenecks, and then put yourself out 398 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,920 there at night and try to replicate those If they're around, maybe they'll try 399 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720 to encourage me to leave, and you could document those things under those circumstances. 400 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960 Now, I've had experiences to that degree, but you know, I've 401 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,440 never gotten footage or photos or anything of that nature. So people are free 402 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,079 to, you know, take what I say with a grain of salt, 403 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,640 because it's not like I have some catalog of sasquatch evidence that I can say 404 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,960 here, this works. But at least that's how I approach that particular part 405 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,920 of it, trying to use that information to make decisions about well, where 406 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,200 to put yourself, how to conduct yourself, etc. So that's a very 407 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,559 good point. Awesome We need to take a really quick station break here thirty 408 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,160 seconds and we'll be right back. 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Send your super chats and stickers now, guys, we are here 417 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,839 live talking with Matt Pruett, author of the Phenomenal Sasquatch, Seeking the Natural 418 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,279 Origin of a Cultural Icon. It's a great book, I have read it 419 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:02,160 myself and covers a lot of different aspects of the phenomenon of sasquatch, from 420 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:10,559 Native Americans to ancient beings and more. Kind of off topic, but we 421 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,640 got a question here, Matt. Say a person is brand new to going 422 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,359 out looking, what would you say is a must take in the field for 423 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:28,279 equipment. Also, I'm planning on hitting the area you recommend me. Recommended 424 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:36,079 me to go to in North Carolina. Thanks. Yeah, Jay's very cool, 425 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,519 very grateful for Jay send along some excellent feedback for the book. So 426 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:45,519 I appreciate that so very much. You know, it's I probably will get 427 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,319 grief for saying that's what I've said it many times, you know, because 428 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,880 yeah, every question has its sort of like limitations and boundaries, you know. 429 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Otherwise we could create a laundry list of like, well, what's necessary 430 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,960 gear. Well, there's a lot of necessary gear. But it came up 431 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,720 recently among friends the other day of like, what one piece of gear do 432 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:09,839 you have to have? And I would say the smartphone because it's a you 433 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,200 know, four K sixty frames per second video camera, it's a high resolution 434 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,160 still photo camera, it's a GPS. I have multiple mapping apps. I 435 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,559 take field notes in it. The microphone is pretty good, so I get 436 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:30,119 great field audio recordings with it. It does a number of things, so 437 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,359 I don't think you could beat that device. Now, obviously, you still 438 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,160 want to have hard copies of maps, and you want to have a compass, 439 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,720 and you want to have backups of all these things. But you know, 440 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,359 if you're looking for if you're pursuing the Sasquatch and you're trying to document 441 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,680 something, I think nothing will ever beat visual evidence in my opinion. You 442 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,119 know, people respond to that so much more strongly. And would I mean, 443 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:59,279 look how how long the Patterson film has captivated people and that people are 444 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:04,119 still looking into it versus you know, footprints, you know, documented casts 445 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,840 or or things of that nature. So I would say like a DSLR camera 446 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,760 or something of that nature, because you might have an encounter and get to 447 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,079 document it, or you might find sign and document it that way, you 448 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:19,079 know, and take photographs of tracks or something of that nature. But you 449 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,320 really can't beat the smartphone for you know, all the applications and the us 450 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,960 as it has. And so if I could only ever take one piece of 451 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,599 gear out, that would be it, because again I put all my field 452 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,119 notes in it. I have various different mapping apps, and you know in 453 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,760 airplane mode or GPS still works, So even if you have no cell signal 454 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,719 whatsoever, and you're an airplane mode, you can still watch your progress in 455 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,199 real time and drop pins wherever you're finding interesting things. And sort of synthesize 456 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,880 all that later. And then you know, not only do I take field 457 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,199 notes, but I'm always taking photos and videos and those are timestamps, so 458 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,239 I can sort of reconstruct my day in the field based on the time stamps 459 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,079 of photos and things of that nature. But that's probably a long winded question. 460 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,960 But you know, it really depends on what you're aiming at too. 461 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,119 I mean, if you're if you're an audio oriented person, then didn't get 462 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,960 a great field recorder, and you know that has its advantages, and a 463 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440 lot of people are interested in visuals and so you know, a camera has 464 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,320 its great advantage. So it really depends on what is it that you're trying 465 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,280 to accomplish. But the smartphone can kind of do it all for a lot 466 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,360 of reasons. Absolutely, if I could add my two cents to that as 467 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:29,760 well, I have an AGM Glory pro phone and this actually has built in 468 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,719 thermal imager and night vision, so I can shoot with IR light on this 469 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440 and pitch black wherever I go out in the woods, built in thermal imager, 470 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:43,039 and then again the photo of the audio everything else that you're talking about. 471 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,639 So I highly recommend this. This is my daily phone. It also 472 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,199 has a huge flashlight on the front of it, so if you get lost 473 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,760 at night, you got a light. AGM Glory Pro. I'm not sponsored 474 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,679 by it or anything, but it's my phone, so very cool. Definitely 475 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,719 definitely a great piece of equipment to have with us. I like this comment. 476 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,639 Also thanks Jay for being a super Chats member of the Untold Radio Network. 477 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,039 Did Matt just call Bigfoot a whimp? That has to be a first? 478 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,599 I do agree though all bluster, Well, it is funny, I 479 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,000 mean you because I've experienced those things myself, and they're they're very unnerving, 480 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,440 but they really almost never escalate past that. Now whatever's causing it, let's 481 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,480 say. But you know, I obviously I'm convinced that there is a biological 482 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,599 reality to the sasquatch phenomenon, and I've had experiences that were consistent with that. 483 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,800 So I've heard these intimidation displays, and you know, they're very loud 484 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,760 and powerful, but oftentimes, you know, if you sit through it and 485 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,639 sort of power through it, and especially the way you conduct yourself, it 486 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,880 can turn a little bit more. What I would interpret is almost playful, 487 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,679 as if they're so accustomed to you know, people fleeing, and when they 488 00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,280 don't, but the people are still not being threatening. But it is kind 489 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,280 of funny because it's not like they're stepping out into the open and exposing themselves 490 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920 to risk and you know, beating there like some horror film. You know, 491 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,639 they're always behind these things. And one of my favorite stories. You 492 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:09,719 know, Bobo has always been an absolute wild man and very kind of a 493 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,960 fearless individual. And if you've ever seen the old show Mysterious Encounters the Duck 494 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,400 Hicheck produced for OLN back in the day, you know, Bobo's in a 495 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,920 lot of those episodes, and he would always his approach was always really aggressive. 496 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880 He'd do these really aggressive calls and beat his chest and roar and stuff. 497 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,960 And before I ever met Bobo, you know, I wondered, like, 498 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,840 oh, is that just a character on this show? Is he kind 499 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,039 of putting on a show for the camera. And then a good friend of 500 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,679 mine from Washington, a guy named Clifton Barnes, had told me he said, 501 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,880 no, man, that guy's really he said. They were on an 502 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,199 expedition on the Olympic Peninsula and there was a few of them. I forget 503 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,639 how many people, just a small handful of people and there was this semi 504 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,440 aggressive, like intimidating encounter like that, and these guys were also shaking and 505 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:57,760 very scared, and Bobo's scared, you know. So he got up and 506 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,039 he rushed towards the sound at the line, roaring and beating his chest and 507 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,639 they said they heard this thing like tear off run away at high speed. 508 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:07,719 And then Bobo turned to the rest of the guys and he goes, yeah, 509 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,079 that usually freaks him out, like you've done it so many times before, 510 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,559 but that doesn't need to be the case. Is that you know, 511 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,360 they will bail out if you look at a lot of those those stories. 512 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,480 So I'm sure it's very frightening of what people experience. I've experienced and frightening 513 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,119 things, but yeah, they they're kind of doing it in a cowardly way 514 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:34,480 from behind obstructions and not exposing themselves. So yeah, I'm calling him whimpy. 515 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,559 Well, that's that's very similar to you know, like whenever you hear 516 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,079 somebody get like attacked or confronted by a bear too, you're supposed to stand 517 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,360 up, make yourself bigger, because a predator doesn't want to get hurt. 518 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,519 And if it's you know, trying to be confrontational with you. If you're 519 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,360 bigger than it, if you're more ferocious than it is, it's going to 520 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,800 back off because if it's hurt, it can't hunt, it can't defend itself, 521 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,079 you know, So it's it makes that's what you're talking there, you 522 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,000 know, Well, it depends on the bear. You know, black bears 523 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:10,039 their normative response to like a frightening or surprising stimulus is to run. Grizzlies 524 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,840 and brown bears are quite different. They want to neutralize the threat, and 525 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400 so that's why you know, if you encounter a black bear, the vast 526 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,400 majority of the time, it will bolt, it will run away just from 527 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,960 the first contact. Whereas you know, that's why they say with you know, 528 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:30,320 brown bears and grizzly bears, essentially that very often the best strategy is 529 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,320 to play dead because then you act like the once the threat has been neutralized, 530 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,559 they don't need to continue the attack. Now again, I'm not trying 531 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,079 to offer survival advice, so encourage all you to read quite a bit about 532 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,039 bear behavior and the distribution of bears across North America and bear attack literature. 533 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,679 But that's essentially the gist of it, yeah, is that you know, 534 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:53,679 they have these very different responses. So luckily I operate in black Bear Country, 535 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,000 so I don't have to worry about grizzlies, thank goodness. You know, 536 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,840 same here the big big Foot influencers would like you to talk a little 537 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:09,199 bit about your art concept of the book certainly. Yeah, I drew some 538 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,440 original sketches and I'm not a visual artist. So my very good friend Jesse 539 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,440 Phillips, who's in Hell and Georgia, I grew up with Jesse. He 540 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,400 did this tattoo for me as well, brought the art to life, and 541 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,719 so I've been toying with different sort of cover concepts for a while, all 542 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,400 sort of in the same vein, and then last year that would sort of 543 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:36,039 emerge for me because that sort of sums it up in a nutshell. Is 544 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,079 that, you know, we spend so much time looking at the representation of 545 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:44,599 the phenomenon. That's what most people are studying, you know, because we 546 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,559 don't we can't bottle the sasquat phenomenon and you know, put it under a 547 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,239 microscope or hand it out to people to study, and so people's descriptions of 548 00:40:52,239 --> 00:41:00,000 their experiences, their claims that's a representation of their encounter. Artistic representations are 549 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,280 obviously attempts to sort of visualize what it is that people are seeing, either 550 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,239 realistically or through some sort of you know, cultural lens in this particular case, 551 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,920 and so the question is like, well, what does this cultural representation 552 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,599 come from? Does it have natural origins? And so, you know, 553 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:21,960 I'm a huge fan of Carl Jung, a great admirer of his, and 554 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,800 so the archetypical tree of life is a you know, very powerful image, 555 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,760 imagistic motif, and so I thought, oh, it wouldn't it be cool 556 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,920 to have sort of a hominoid skull, something like the approximation of the Gigantopithecus 557 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,559 skull or something of that nature, with the roots of the tree of life, 558 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:43,079 so to speak. But what's growing from it is this sort of representation 559 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:49,719 of the actual biological thing. And because the representation is very much alive, 560 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,360 that's why I decided to make the tree, you know, the living thing. 561 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,920 Also the representation is because it changes and it evolves over time, and 562 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,880 that's why, you know, I was so drawn to the hair Man pictograph, 563 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:04,039 you know, which I'm sure you spoke with Kathy about you know, 564 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,440 she's that's within her realm of expertise, for sure. That image obviously was 565 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,239 very sacred to the people who created it and to the people who are now 566 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,280 the sort of caretakers of it. But as a living image, you know, 567 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,519 it's gone cross culturally, it's gone beyond that because it's been used in 568 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,679 so many different ways in association with the Sasquatch sort of mythos or the greater 569 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,639 Sasquatch subject. And so I thought, like, that's sort of the most 570 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,320 compelling, at least for me, visual representation of like a cultural image that's 571 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,119 associated with the Sasquatch, and like, could its roots be in a real 572 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:42,400 living species of animals, something really biological. So that's where that image came 573 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,360 from. And maybe one day I'll put in my terrible sketch of it out 574 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,519 online. So I'm glad my friend Jesse was able to make it something. 575 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,320 You know, I wanted the cover to be very different. I wanted it 576 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,440 to be very minimalist and sleek and very simple, sort of monochromatic like that, 577 00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,599 because you know, a lot of things in the Sasquatch world, you 578 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:04,440 know, there's a certain sort of stylistic thing you see a lot in the 579 00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,760 cover art of Sasquatch books, and so I was like, I'm just want 580 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,159 to go on one eighty in a sort of different direction. And so I'm 581 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,800 happy with the way it turned out. And no, Buddy Jesse's images is 582 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,880 great. Awesome, Yeah, definitely, definitely really cool. They're way it's 583 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,719 all tied together, all right. I think we're good for all the count 584 00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,679 questions right now. So I want to talk to you a little bit about 585 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,280 you're in the book. You talk about how a lot of people associate these 586 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,000 paranormal side with the Sasquatch, you know, the ability to cloak or you 587 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:45,000 know, possibly interdimensional and the other things that you know, we hear that 588 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,119 that Bigfoot can do the orbs of light or et cetera. And you make 589 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:53,639 some really interesting comparisons with other animals that are in the native lore around the 590 00:43:53,639 --> 00:44:00,920 world, their mythos and their lore of these creatures like the tiger. So 591 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,119 can you talk a little bit about how you know these the tiger itself has 592 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,960 this you know, supernatural abilities associated with it as well, and and comparing 593 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,440 that with Bigfoot. Oh, certainly. Yeah. I would say the one 594 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,280 of the bigger challenges was putting that into a single chapter, even though it 595 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960 gets called back to a couple of times, because for a while there, 596 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000 I thought I was going to write an entire book about that element of the 597 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,280 subject, and I thought, no, I mean, I'll just I'll have 598 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,800 this be a component of the larger project. But yeah, there's so much 599 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,400 to go into there. But yeah, essentially, I guess to to begin 600 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:42,000 with looking into that, I mean, it's always been the case that people 601 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:47,199 have associated certain sort of supernatural attributions with the Sasquatch, or they've seen it 602 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:54,239 through a sort of metaphysical or mystical lens and magical thinking, let's say. 603 00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:00,519 And so it's really easy for people either on the skeptical side, to make 604 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:05,320 any sort of contact with any of those supernatural ideas or magical thinking and then 605 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,440 reject the entire phenomenon as such. And it's also I've seen it a lot 606 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,920 on sort of our side of the fence, let's say, the proponents side. 607 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,320 And I was guilty of it too for many years, of really utterly 608 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,480 rejecting and pushing back against any of those sorts of interpretations, because obviously my 609 00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:28,840 position is that it's a perfectly normal, biological animal, and I felt like 610 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:35,760 any association with the supernatural was just purely damaging and sort of just wishful thinking. 611 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,719 And then I got older and less cynical and started to realize, well, 612 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,679 actually, magical thinking, the sort of mystical lens that we see the 613 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,199 world too, is the normative way of human thinking. Which is why you 614 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:57,039 can see these recurrent sort of motifs or elements of belief or certain supernatural attributes 615 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:01,280 associated with natural phenomena, including animals, cross culturally the world over as far 616 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,599 back in time as we can look, which would tell you like, that's 617 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,039 the normal way of perceiving the world. Because this endeavor, you know, 618 00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:14,079 the scientific endeavor is fairly new, it's only a few centuries old, and 619 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,719 it's not the normative process. And you know, I've people have written to 620 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,960 me and either ask deeper questions or one individual pushed back and said, oh, 621 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,199 no, it is natural to think scientifically. And I even say in 622 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,840 the book, like, no, it's not because we developed science. It's 623 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,400 a process. It's a method. Now, if we thought that way naturally, 624 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,320 we wouldn't need the method, right, and we would just that would 625 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,199 be the way we see the world. But we developed a method in order 626 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,440 to strip away the subjective, to get to the objective reality, to arrive 627 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,599 in an understanding of the natural world almost you know, an objective reality and 628 00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,280 material reality, wherever the case may be. But you can't do away with 629 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:59,119 this part of us that is mystical leaning. I mean, it's it's normative, 630 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,519 and so you can see that time and time again in the Sasquatch literature 631 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,599 going back as you know, as far as when people really started to pursue 632 00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:14,960 the Sasquatch in the late fifties, but even if you look into older reports, 633 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,199 like when non natives first made contact with indigenous peoples of North America and 634 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,320 they're sort of collecting their beliefs, let's say, about the natural world, 635 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,800 which belief I think is sometimes used in the wrong connotations in these systems because 636 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,559 you know, it's it's traditional ecological knowledge, and these you know, belief 637 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:43,599 systems are really these databases of accrued There are observations, but their experiences as 638 00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,960 well. You know, science is basically rigorous experimentation and the observations of the 639 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,199 results of such experience experiments, et cetera. Whereas most of what we live 640 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,000 in we are observing, but we're also experiencing. You know, we're not 641 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,719 objects, we're subjects, and so we live in this sort of subjective world. 642 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:07,559 So when you read a lot of the non native interpretations of native oral 643 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,079 traditions or beliefs, let's say, you know, they'll record certain information about 644 00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:16,280 landscapes or known animals as indicative of reality. But when it comes to these 645 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,559 other forms of creatures, let's say they're like, oh, it's it's superstition. 646 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,320 They write it off. Oh, they believe in a hair covered race 647 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,159 of giants. Bear with me if I trouble you with some of their superstitions. 648 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,079 And so it's this very dismissive thing, usually because it is associated with 649 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:40,599 some sort of supernatural attribute. Now we should be looking at this to say 650 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,679 like, well, what is it that you would experience in these encounters if 651 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,760 such animals exist, that would lead you to a supernatural interpretation. And so 652 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,679 again to look at it an analogous animal like the tiger, Well they share 653 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:59,280 these things in common. They're both fairly large, they're both very difficult to 654 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,000 pursue or to detect or to observe. They're both pretty frightening, you know, 655 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:08,920 because tigers obviously are predatory, and they prey on humans oftentimes. You 656 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,039 know, sasquatches might not be praying on humans through that degree, but they're 657 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,639 no less frightening. And so you could look at these animals that have those 658 00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:21,719 shared characteristics again, tigers, bears, and I even pull examples from gorillas 659 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,920 to say, well, what sort of supernatural attributes do they share cross culturally 660 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,199 among the indigenous populations that write or describe them. And then you collect that 661 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,639 sort of list of things, these supernatural powers or abilities, and you see 662 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:45,039 that it matches almost point for point with the sasquatch. And so what I'm 663 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,239 trying to accomplish with that is to say, well, if the sasquatch exists, 664 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,480 you should expect that people develop supernatural beliefs about them. Not only that, 665 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,400 but based on the kind of category of animal that they are, here 666 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,800 are the specific ones you should expect them to accumulate and lo and behold, 667 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,480 that's exactly what you see. And so it's a way to say to skeptics 668 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:13,840 like, we can't dismiss this solely because people see it to this particular lens. 669 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,360 Otherwise we'd have to dismiss very well known animals, the tiger, the 670 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,199 gorilla the bear based on the same things, but duly to say that, 671 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,800 Okay, well, people still hold these ideas today. Now they update the 672 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,159 nomenclature, the language changes. So in the past we might say that, 673 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,159 you know, an animal is believed to be the sort of mediator between two 674 00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:39,840 worlds, very often the physical realm or the spiritual realm, or the world 675 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,079 of humans and the world of animals. Some things seem to straddle that border, 676 00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,000 so to speak. But today we might call it interdimensional. It's a 677 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,639 very old idea, even though it's a newer term, and you see these 678 00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:58,360 things on and on, you know, whether it's ambush predators again, they 679 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,280 do appear to like materialize out of nothing and vanish back into thin air because 680 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,960 their lifestyle is dependent on like not being seen during ingress or egress. And 681 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,159 so of course they were described that way in you know, pre experimental times, 682 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,159 that they could disappear or vanish into the spirit realm. And now we 683 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,840 might say cloaking. So it's an updated version of the same archetypal idea, 684 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,000 so to speak. And so to say to people that hold those ideas, 685 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,440 now, well we can understand what it is about the experience that gives rise 686 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,159 to that interpretation, but we have to differentiate that experience doesn't have a one 687 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:43,119 to one relationship with objective reality, and so we no longer think that tigers 688 00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:46,480 have all these supernatural powers. We don't think that bears have these supernatural powers. 689 00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:51,920 So if the Sasquatch exists, we probably shouldn't expect that it actually has 690 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:57,239 literally these powers, and that we shouldn't treat it like the last holdout of 691 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,039 metaphysical abilities in the in the animal keydom, so to speak. So I'm 692 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,960 trying to sort of accomplish two things by laying all that out. And I 693 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,920 know I've been rambling for a few minutes. I still haven't scratched the surface 694 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,719 of that, So hopefully people will read that section. I do have on 695 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,840 my YouTube channel as well. I gave a presentation at the Ohio Conference in 696 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,599 twenty twenty one about this specific element of the subject, so they can watch 697 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,880 that entire lecture there as well. What's your YouTube channel, Oh, it's 698 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:28,199 just if YouTube dot com slash Matt pruittt online. It's the same as my 699 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,840 like website and online handles and those sorts of things. Awesome, Awesome, 700 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,960 guys, we are coming up on the end of this hour, So if 701 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,679 you have any more questions formatt please get them in the comments as we go 702 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,679 here speaking of the tigers and the bears and stuff that you've talked about, 703 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,519 you know, like in your book, Like you said, you just scratched 704 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:51,719 the surface of this in this interview here for you know, the last five 705 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,079 minutes. But you know, all of these animals in native culture, you 706 00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,719 know, the wolf, the coyote, the spider, all have legends, 707 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,159 lore and supernatural abilities in these cultures. So when you're you're talking about you 708 00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:09,599 know that you expect the sasquatch too as well. It all makes sense because 709 00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:14,320 they're they're all there, you know, and and we know, well, 710 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,559 let's talk about this, you know, the fact that every day we're learning 711 00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,960 more and more about animals that we know exist and stuff that we didn't know 712 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,880 about them. I do a presentation on cryptozoology and I talk about the platypus 713 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,920 because there's so much weird stuff and we know this animal exists, and we're 714 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,800 still learning more about it, about the bioluminescence of the black light and the 715 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,320 skin and the hair and stuff like that, and it's just a matter of 716 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,000 you know, science only goes into research what they're being paid to research. 717 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,679 So if you don't have a grant, if nobody's looking for these different things, 718 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,800 we're not finding them until somebody finally puts that aspect under a microscope. 719 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880 So all these animals, you know, I'm not saying that they can cloak 720 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:07,039 or you know, do these mythical things. But there's probably a lot more 721 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,719 to animals that we do know that we don't know about those animals, if 722 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,719 that makes sense, Oh, certainly, you know. But again, so 723 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,559 much of it is experiential in the way that you know, we experience again, 724 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,800 you know, to I know we're coming on the end of the hour 725 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,000 there. But for example, if you have an animal that has a very 726 00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:29,719 large home range and is very rare, and it is very mobile within that 727 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:37,039 home range, then you having an on demand encounter or observation is extremely difficult. 728 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,920 And so you know, for some of your audience might have hurt me 729 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,760 make this analogy already, but or this comparison. But you know, the 730 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,880 Siberian tiger mail has a home range of about fifteen hundred square kilometers and it's 731 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,280 always on the move. So even if you knew which fifteen hundred square kilometers, 732 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,440 like it's in here somewhere. You might spend a decade in there and 733 00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:58,239 never see it, you know, just you're just not in the right place 734 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,719 at the right time. So most in owners are serendipitous, they're random. 735 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:04,320 You just happen to be in the right place at the right time, and 736 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,000 the Sasquatch is no different. And so because of that juxtaposition, you could 737 00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:13,960 imagine that well, most of the sightings and encounters that people had were random 738 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,800 occurrences. And so if they went back to their group or society and said, 739 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,920 hey, I just saw this thing, come with me, let me 740 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,159 show it to you, it's not going to It could be many miles away 741 00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:27,800 by that point, and all the attempts to subsequently find it are just as 742 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,000 fruitless. But other people in your society or generationally, let's say, might 743 00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:36,719 have had other serendipitous encounters. So the way that you experience that would be 744 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,280 that you can't see them when you're looking for them. They know when you're 745 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,800 looking for them. You know, they avoid you because they can read your 746 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,920 thoughts or they understand your intentions. And that's a very old idea that people 747 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,679 had about all these animals about tigers, bears and the sasquatch. And I 748 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,119 still hear it said today people, Oh, you don't find them, they 749 00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:00,599 find you. I mean, how many times have we heard that at And 750 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:06,079 it's because that's the way that you experience such things. And so there is, 751 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,039 you know, this legitimate experiential or phenomenological element behind that. But that 752 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,519 doesn't mean that the things are actually telepathic and can read your thoughts and understand 753 00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,599 your intentions. Most of the time. It would mean like you're just in 754 00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:23,519 the wrong place at the right time and in a dense forest and environment. 755 00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:28,239 If you only have you know, like an area X where we go, 756 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,760 if you're lucky, most places you might get like thirty yards line of sight 757 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:36,599 if it's not within that line of sight, and if it's not making sound, 758 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,760 you know, because you can hear something in a greater distance. But 759 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,039 if you're trying to see something, if it's not within thirty yards or let's 760 00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,159 be let's say ninety yards, just to be even more generous, it might 761 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:51,719 as well be on another planet, because if you're half a mile from it, 762 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,199 it might as well be on the moon. If you're a quarter of 763 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,840 a mile, because you're not going to see it in that dense forested environment, 764 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,440 and so it doesn't matter how close we actually are, like you have 765 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,719 to have this visual context. So yeah, it does feel like most of 766 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,039 the time you can't find them when you're looking for them. Doesn't mean they're 767 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,440 aware that they're being looked for or anything of that nature. And so so 768 00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:16,079 much of what we see, again, we're looking at the representation of the 769 00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:21,079 Sasquatch. We're not looking at the Sasquatch yet, and so that representation is 770 00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,079 built up out of people's brief sidings and their experiences and in their interpretations, 771 00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:30,800 and so we have to kind of separate like the subjective from the objective as 772 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,840 much as we can, but still respecting the fact that, like, of 773 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,599 course people see things in this sort of mystical way because that's what humans are, 774 00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:39,920 that's how we think. As you said, you know, with your 775 00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:45,159 dense woods and stuff like that, and your forests, even with thermal and 776 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:50,119 technology, there's only so far in that that can go before it's completely blocked 777 00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:53,000 off as well. I mean, thermal can see anything heat in these woods. 778 00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:58,280 But from experience myself, I was across the river for one of these 779 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,239 creatures and flights and nothing could see this thing and you could see it on 780 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:08,639 thermal. But I mean it's it's that you're you're still limited by today's technology 781 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:10,719 even you know, for the people that are saying, well, why an't 782 00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:15,639 there better evidence with all this all this technology, the new equipment and stuff, 783 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,280 I mean it's still dense. I mean for anybody who hasn't been out 784 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,760 there. You know, sometimes you get in the woods and you know, 785 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:28,760 five feet is a long way out there. Certainly I had another point I 786 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,480 was gonna make. Oh for the people that say, you know, like 787 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:35,039 you were saying that these things are amblish predators and appear out of nowhere in 788 00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,480 that and know when you're in the woods, put yourself in your own your 789 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,639 own shoes, in your own house, your own apartment. Okay, if 790 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,920 somebody came in your house and let's say you're in another room. You know 791 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:51,480 all the sounds that your house makes. You know every creaky floorboard in your 792 00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:55,280 house. So when someone enters your home, you're gonna hear them. You're 793 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,760 gonna know that they're there before you can see them, before you can you 794 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360 know, even know what's going on. You know that there's someone in your 795 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,800 house. And that's the same thing with these creatures that they're in the woods. 796 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,159 They know every sound out there even better than we do. For even 797 00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:14,880 the experience hunters that spend years and years out in the woods hunting and exploring 798 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,639 and stuff, you still don't live out there and these creatures do. So 799 00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,960 they're going to be a million times better at, you know, knowing where 800 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,119 you are. The second you step out of your car. You know, 801 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,719 they're going to have that good hearing for being a predator, and eyesight and 802 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,800 all that stuff. You know, that's that's supernatural, that's not psychological, 803 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:43,239 that's just knowing their environment. So oh certainly. Well again to stick with 804 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,679 that analogy, I mean, that's if we were lucky enough to find a 805 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,119 core area, you know, because your home is like your core area. 806 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,840 You know, you have your home range, which is everywhere you have to 807 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,960 travel to accumulate the resources that you need to survive. So for us, 808 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,880 it would be like your workplace and your favorite grocery stores and your favorite coffee 809 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,239 shop and the gas station where you like to fill up, and you know, 810 01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,360 there's all these different places around town that you frequent, you know, 811 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,360 anytime. And then you have your territory, which your property, let's say, 812 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,239 and then or you know, maybe your greater core areas like your home, 813 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,000 and then you're a real core are your din you know as your badroom. 814 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,440 That's where you feel the most safe, where you let yourself go to 815 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,159 sleep without feeling vulnerable, you know, because it's the most protected area, 816 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:27,199 let's say. And so even if you knew the home range of an animal 817 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,119 like that with a very large home range, just the fact that you could 818 01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:34,360 be anywhere where it might be. I mean, like our home range for 819 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,199 example, would include let's just say, you know, wherever we get our 820 01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:43,159 shirts. We don't buy new shirts every week. So if I heard there 821 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,079 was a barnaby siding at such and such shirt store, I could stake that 822 01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:50,960 out for the next six months and never see barnaby there, right, because 823 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,039 that's a resource that you don't require every single day, you know, or 824 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,159 even every single week or something like that. And so so much of what 825 01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:02,599 we're doing with sasquatchy is these serendipitous encounters, brief sidings and glimpses, and 826 01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:07,000 then we're trying to throw all these resources at that place where it might be 827 01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:09,760 long gone. It might have been miles away, you know, later that 828 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,159 evening, and we're going to keep going back there over and it might not 829 01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:16,280 come back ever, it might not come back for a year. I mean, 830 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,199 who knows what the case may be. And so a lot of it 831 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,760 really is that there's just no proxy for luck being in the right place at 832 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,199 the right time, and so I think that's a big part of it too. 833 01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:28,599 It's like, yes, they probably do know when people are intruding on 834 01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:31,199 their defensible areas, but for the most part, wherever, all they have 835 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920 to do is be where we're not, you know what I mean, the 836 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,679 people that are pursuing them. And so if I enter some three hundred square 837 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:42,440 mile area and I have whatever, you know, thirty yards the line of 838 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,679 sight, and I can hear a little bit further than that, this tiny 839 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,880 dot in a sea of wilderness, all it has to do is be anywhere 840 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320 except there, and I won't know it, you know what I mean. 841 01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,159 Absolutely, let's everybody listening out there, anybody interested in the topic. I 842 01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:59,079 mean, you're never going to find them sitting on your couch. So if 843 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,840 you're interested in going to find them, be safe, be careful, go 844 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,400 out there and look because You never know when you're going to have that encounter 845 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,800 and what's going to happen, So you gotta you gotta get out there. 846 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:13,239 Certainly, absolutely, Matt. It's been an honor, it's been a privilege 847 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,920 talking to you. I definitely highly recommend again your book. Can you tell 848 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,880 everybody where they can get more information on you? Your YouTube, your website 849 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,840 again, and if you've got any public appearances or speaking engagements coming up, 850 01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,440 feel free to promote that for sure. Yeah, you can find me Matt 851 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,840 prewittt online dot com. And I think there's a link to my YouTube there. 852 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,840 But even if you just go to YouTube dot com slash Matt prut online, 853 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,320 there's only I think two videos up there, but one of them is 854 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:44,039 that particular lecture about phenomenology and the Sasquatch in that particular aspect of the subject. 855 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,000 The book is available on Amazon is probably the best place to get it 856 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:51,320 in print and digital. The kindle version. Autograph copies are available at the 857 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,440 North American big Foot Centers website, so you can check that out. And 858 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,840 then the next public appearance that I'll be making is speaking at the Texas Bigfoot 859 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,400 Conference in Jefferson and on October twenty feet and then I'll be a cryptocon and 860 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,519 Lexington too. I saw that you'll be there, so it'd be great to 861 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,440 meet in person for sure. Definitely looking forward to that. All right, 862 01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:15,559 guys, the phenomenal Sasquash seeking the natural origins of a cultural icon. I 863 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,480 did put a link. If you go back up in the comments section, 864 01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:21,559 there's a link for this, and if I remember, I will hopefully get 865 01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:23,159 that in the show notes as well, so that you guys can go and 866 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,639 check that out. Matt, thank you again so much for coming on. 867 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,719 I look forward to meeting you in person in Lexington, Kentucky and all your 868 01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:37,840 episodes of Bigfoot and Beyond and your wonderful theme song. Love it Gotta tell 869 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:42,199 you again so well. Thanks so much for having me as a blast talking 870 01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:45,599 to you. Really appreciate it. Definitely, Thank you very much, Matt. 871 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:51,480 Thank you all right, guys, thank you so much for watching this 872 01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:55,719 week's episode of Monsters on the Edge. I'm your host, Barnaby, and 873 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,199 coming up next week it will not be live. I am going to be 874 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,960 out on expedition out in the woods looking for the elusive creature that we have 875 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,679 been talking about for the last hour, so I won't be here, but 876 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,159 there still will be an episode. That's right, I have a pre recorded 877 01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,199 episode for you guys next week, right here, same time, same place. 878 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:21,960 We'll be talking with Kathy Strain. She'll be talking about Native Americans history, 879 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:27,360 legends and lore of the Sasquatch creature and her work with that, as 880 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,840 well as a little bit about the North American Woodape Conservancy. I know this 881 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,360 because I've already talked to her. So there you go, and I will 882 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,760 be back then the week after that live with all kinds of cool stuff for 883 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,320 you then. But next week Kathy Strain, so make sure you tune in 884 01:04:42,320 --> 01:05:00,239 and until then, guys, I'll see on the Edge one