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This is WWE superstar Drew McIntyre,
and you're listening to the WWE podcast show,

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the one that everybody wants met for
sixteen sex. Your ass is my

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art. You can acknowledge me?
All right, everybody, welcome back to

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another episode of Wrestling Magic. Tonight, the gardener Michael Gross and I maintenance

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Maverick. We'll just be having some
midnight ramblings, just talking about nineties wrestling

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and just how it was the best
and sometimes the worst in some ways.

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So, without further ado, Michael, how are you doing tonight? Man,

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I'm doing fantastic. We're having a
great day here in Louisville. Our

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weather is fantastic. Today. I
had an early day. I've been working

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a lot because I'm going to see
my love Jennifer hopefully your future ant and

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I'm just really excited to go see
her in Phoenix in a few days.

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But I really wanted to get some
content created and some stuff to talk about,

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and so mav I got to ask
you what year were you born?

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Nineteen ninety eight? My friend nineteen
ninety eight. So I was driving across

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the country, folks, and everybody
knows that Maverick is my nephew. I

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was driving from Cleveland to San Diego. I lived in San Diego, but

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I had to come home because my
roommate was in the Marine Corps and so

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he was deployed overseas for well over
a year. So I went back home

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to Ohio. When he came back, it was time to move everything back.

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It's a long drive, guys.
If you go from Cleveland, Ohio

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to San Diego, it's three days
without turning off your engine. So it's

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a lot more than that when you
have to actually use the bathroom, eat

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some food, and get off the
road for some storms. But we would

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always we would always stop one place. Where was that mav one pause?

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Your mother's house. So I came
in one day. I got to your

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mother's house with my friend Michael Elwood
and Marie and your older sister. She

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was very little, she was maybe
two, and you were a baby.

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And so this is the first time
I met you. I went into the

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house and you had a broken leg
as a child. It was really weird.

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But my sister, your mother,
was like, you want to see

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your nephew? Said yeah, and
so she took me to her bedroom and

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opened the door and you were laying
in a crib. You were so small,

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so teeny, and I just remember
looking at you and I was like,

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oh, that's my nephew. And
she told me that your leg somehow

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broken as an infant, and and
folks, this is an abuse story.

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Like seriously, I don't know what
happens. I don't even know if you

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remember that. So legend has it
from the stories that I've been told that

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I was, I guess trying to
learn how to walk. I guess I

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like stomped too hard and just something
snapped. You were so small, You're

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so small, So, folks,
the next day we all went to sleep.

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I mean, we were just tired. We'd come through actually tornadic weather,

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severere thunderstorms. And when we got
to my sisters, to your mother's,

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we were just beat up when we
were tired, and so myself and

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my roommate we all just like everybody
crashed. Your dad and I had a

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couple of beers and that was it. The next day was breakfast, and

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so she brought you out and put
you in a high chair, and when

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your mother wouldn't look, I was
feeding you jelly from jelly donuts. And

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she didn't want me to do that. I just kept like, yes,

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I kept feeding you jelly. And
she's like, why is Maverick Maverick licking

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his lips? And what was the
old story? Oh, I was feeding

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him from my man teat. So
now you know the whole story behind the

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man teat. And so my sister
thought I was trying to nurse you,

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and so then I would threaten her
when she was across the room. She

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was tired. I mean, she
knew, you know, second child,

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and I would just be like,
oh, I've got the child and to

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feed him for my man teat and
I'm like, oh, look, I'm

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getting him closer, and she would
run across the room and I felt so

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bad. So that was a long
story, a long, a long traveled

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rib that we've had for many,
many years. So now you know the

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story behind the whole man teat thing. And but I just kept get this

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for the longest time. Little Gabby
used to always call you man teat guy

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instead of Uncle Mike or anything.
Well, but I just kept feeding you

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jelly from the jelly donuts because I
knew it was eventually going to give your

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stomach problems and you're gonna just flush
it out and she'd have to deal with

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it. So that was my way
of rubbing your sister quite a bit.

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But uh, let's le's talk about
the nineties a little bit, because you

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were born in nineteen ninety nine,
okay, and so I was yeah ninety

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eight. Sorry, I I'm the
worst uncle in the world, guys,

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So that was bad as your uncle
bugs. So when it comes down to

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what's important in wrestling, nineties changed
wrestling. So we're gonna give you a

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brief synopsis of what happened in the
nineties and why it spun the whole wrestling

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world on it's ere because that's what
you want to hear. You want to

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hear about wrestling. You don't want
to hear about the man tea. So

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hey, I want to know for
some people that might want to talk about

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it, but you know, I
believe that for something else, I really

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don't want to talk to them.
So so let's let's let's dive into this

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a little bit. Okay. So
the Golden Era, as everybody called it,

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which was the eighties, that was
the WrestleMania era when the dawn of

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WrestleMania came about. But by WrestleMania
four and five, the Hogan era had

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become stale. They tried the belt
with Savage, they didn't know what to

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do, so they turned them to
heel. Of course, how do you

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have a two hundred and fifty six
foot one guy go against a six foot

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seven, three hundred pound baby face. It does not matter. They didn't

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know what to do. And there
was many, many trials which we're finding

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out today that were covered up with
a lot of hush hush money. But

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I saw a lot of these on
you know, your Heraldo Rivera shows,

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your Oprah Winfreeze, whatever, your
talk show du jour wash, these these

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shows that were just terrible, and
they were talking about allegations of sexual abuse.

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They were talking about allegations of drug
abuse and allegations of steroids, right

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right, I mean back then that
was kind of the big thing was all

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the top stars. They were larger
than life, so to speak. So

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you had pretty much everybody just shooting
up with Royd's, you know, Hogan

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and all those guys. Really they
looked so massive, and I guess the

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steroids were really just a big thing. Right. Absolutely everybody was on me.

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And if you look at like every
superstar wrestler, excuse me, wrestler,

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whether it be NWA or it be
WWF at the time before it was

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WWE, or you know when it
became ww the Road Warriors. I mean,

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all these people have put in their
books. Rick Layers put in his

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book that he did steroids for many
years. Haul Cogan has he came out

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on the Armed Sineo Hall Show and
said he did steroids, then testified against

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Vince McMahon. Okay, this was
the changing of the guard. So the

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nineties became a mess for wrestling.
It became a hot dumpster fire. So

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they didn't know what to do.
Now. The NWA was purchased from Jim

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Crockett, I Ted Turner who made
it, you know, from NWA to

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ws W, but they still used
n w A titles until the NWA succeeded.

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That's a whole story for our territories. But right right, I mean,

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so as the steroid era kind of
comes to an end and everything I've

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read that mitzwick Man had some trouble
of finding who was going to be his

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next star, because I mean,
who are you going to find some way

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that's naturally that big, So he
turned eventually to Lex Luger. I believe

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correct, Well, he actually turned
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Oh no, no, no,
no, before them, he was

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still looking for the bodybuilders. So
first he tried Tom McGee. Tom McGee

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was a gymnast. This guy was
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I mean, I wouldn't fight the
guy. And he had a try out

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match with Brett Hart. Of course, Brett could make anybody look good in

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the ring. However, when he
went in against your Steve Lombardes or your

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you know, Barry Horowitz, he
looked like the DS's And anybody who works

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in the company or in wrestling knows
what the dss are, the drizzling SSEs,

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and I figure you guys can put
together the dots on that one.

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So this guy was not it.
But then all of a sudden they found

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this guy who came out of the
Dallas territory when Dallas closed. He was

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the Dingle Warrior. Then said shave
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like Hawk from the Road Warriors.
We're gonna call you the Ultimate Warrior.

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And of course that wasn't working really
well. But they were all part of

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the steroid era. Now, Tom
McGee not as much because he just they

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said his matches were so bad that
they were banned from any wrestler being able

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to get those tapes, but they
could ask for any tape in the actual

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WWE headquarters. Isn't that crazy?
I think Chris Jericho actually said he asked,

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every week, I want the Tom
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they were like, no, we
won't give that to you. Jeez.

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That's insane that they would just withhold
that little bit of history. But I

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guess it makes sense if it's that
much of a blemesh. I'm sure there's

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other hidden footage that WWE wouldn't show
anybody, like, you know, some

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fatal incidents and whatnot. I could
completely understand, like, you know,

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any kind of fatal accidents that could
happen. I can understand not wanting to

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let that out either. Oh absolutely, but this wasn't It was just fatal

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on your eyes to watch a wrestling
match. It wasn't fatal to be actually

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real trauma. I mean it was. I have seen some of this footage

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and I've had to dive deep.
I've had to go on the sister of

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YouTube is what do you call it? Oh? Shoot, the one overseas.

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I can't think of the name of
it, but it's basically like YouTube,

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and it's like I've found some of
the footage and it's just garbage,

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like the guy couldn't wrestle, like
Tom Ge couldn't wrestle. And of course,

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if you look at if you look
at like Ultimate Warriors first matches,

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he debuted actually as Diding a Warrior. So now all of a sudden,

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Vince has bought up every territory and
this is more stuff that you and this

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Marke and I are going to cover
as far as where the territories went except

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for USWA and Puerto Rico so and
I think at that point Dallas was still

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part of USWA, so they had
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on. And so daily Motion,
by the way, that's the name of

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the YouTube cousin daily Motion. They
have a lot of stuff that YouTube gets

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banned. But it's like overseas.
Okay, So getting back to it,

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the steroid trial happens. Vince McMahon
is showing up all the time in a

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neck brace. Now did you know
the whole thing about the Samoans when they

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were in the courtroom watching the whole
jury for the steroid trial. I don't

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know anything about that. The things
that I've seen about the steroid trial was

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a dark side of the Ring special
mainly, and the lawyers and everybody had

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talked about like, yeah, Vince
was wearing a neck brace. It was

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for a legitimate injury, but it
just made it seem like he was playing

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off the old sympathy thing and it
just was kind of funny to see it.

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I haven't really seen anything about the
Samoans in the room though, so

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yes, this is very interesting.
First of all, Vince called Jerry Jarrett,

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Jeff's dad, to come up and
work with Bruce Pritchard because he believed

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that Jerry would run it the way
he wanted to be run, because Jerry

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was this psychologist of creating these characters. But we were tired of characters.

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We were tired of Christmas creatures and
Freddy Krueger's and everything else. But that's

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what Vince still wanted. But then
he realized while he's having this trial that

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he has to go in a different
direction. Now, while he's in this

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trial, the jury looks at the
Samoans, and the legend goes and even

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the number one podcaster in Louisville.
Who I'm slightly behind this number two.

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Jim Cornette will tell you they said
you must have quit this guy. And

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the Samoans nodded and they said you
can't him guilty And they shook their heads

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and stared at the jury. Now, who's always been pushed in Vince's territory?

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Who's always always the Simons? So
that's that's a little side sidebar.

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No one, I wasn't there in
the room. That's the way the legend

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goes. I mean, if Cornett
says it, I go with him.

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Bruce Pritchard I think has said it. I go with him. I think

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Jr. Said it. So this
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say. Think I'm not speaking for
them. So getting back on track,

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all of a sudden, Vince has
acquitted the neck brace mysteriously just fell off.

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But now he has to figure out
a new direction to go. So

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you look at your workers. Now
we got to get away from the big,

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huge guys. But you had a
guy like Yokazuna, right, okay,

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you you couldn't believe that Shawn Michaels
was going to beat him. Then

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you brought in you brought in larger
guys, but they had no chemistry.

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You couldn't work Kevin Nash against Yokazuna. You couldn't work Scott Hall against Yokazuna,

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but you could work Kevin Nash versus
Scott Hall because they've known each other

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forever, so they had chemistry.
So Brett Hart becomes that conduit. He's

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now anointed as the person that is
going to change this. The problem was

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the undercard. So let's talk about
the WWE and WCW undercard. What would

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you like to know about that,
mynd nephew? All right, So first

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I just wanted to go back just
a little bit here with stuff that you

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mentioned. So you had guys like
Yokazuna. Eventually they bring in I believe

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it's Lex Luger to uh be kind
of the face of the company because you

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need somebody to replace Hogan, and
eventually they kind of realized this just isn't

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working out. It isn't gonna go
anywhere. You have got like Viscera,

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you know, big Daddy V And
none of these guys were really a big

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name talent that anybody really wanted to
see. It was just at a time

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where it's like, okay, they're
big, but their characters and what they

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are nobody cares. And you know
that's moving into that nineteen ninety five era.

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But you wanted to talk a little
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was going on with the mid card
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those kind of champions because those were
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believe, especially the Intercontinental title.
Correct, yes, but it became a

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mess. So you had like Davy
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tag titles were switched between like Bob
Holly, the one two three kid to

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other people smoking guns, which the
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was a Billy Gunn. You had
a plethora of just hodgepodge. They did

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not know what to do, so
it brought in Duke, the Dump,

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Surgery, the Hot the Godwins,
Hog and Pig. I mean, it

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was just silly stuff. People forget
when when Helmsley first came in, when

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Triple H first came in, he
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the blue blood. He was supposed
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it was it was silly. I
think he actually talked to an accent

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for about like six months before they
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in him, which he was right, but I digress. WSW wasn't doing

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any better, so so Eric Bischoff
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first Nacho was a success, the
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were just utter trash. It was
just so much garbage that you couldn't digest

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because it was recycled WWF stuff that
we'd already let go. We didn't want

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the steroids, we didn't want we
didn't want Hogan and Savage. So was

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floundering in mediocrity, and it was
it was very difficult time for a long

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time in the early to mid nineties
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W, before Hogan and his cronies
showed up, you had Rick Rude,

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Ricky Steamboat, Rick Flair, Arn
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Funk, the Great Mooda, the
person I covered on my first podcast here

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with Rocky. You had so much
talent, and then they brought in Hogan

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and the Goofballs and it was just
garbage. At dugg In. I mean,

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Duggan might be a legit tough guy, but in the ring he's the

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DS's he's the drizzling not wrong.
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Glacier? When did they end up
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had heard something about, uh,
somebody got brought into the company and immediately

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Glacier Moore just kind of just looked
at each other and he was like,

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Yeah, we're screwed, We're done. I've got that, so we're gonna

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get there. Okay, okay.
So Rick Rude gets injured by sting and

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he can't wrestle anymore. He never
wrestled another match. He showed up to

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NISW a couple of times WWE WSW, then had a heart attack and died.

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Rick Rud was one of the greatest
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He was amazing. People ask me
if you could pick one heel, and

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I love Rick Flair, but they're
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to build a company around, it's
Rick Rude. Rick Rud was it?

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Lex Luger was the guy that Rick
Rud wished he was. So did I

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say that right? I believe so
Lex Luger wishes he was Rick Rude.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sometimes
I reversed that and Lex if you're listening,

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sorry, man, you had the
body, you did not have the

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skill in the ring, and you
did not have the heat. But you

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had so many talented people in WSW
and then Hogan's whole crew Nasty Boys came

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in and while they I'll give nasty
boys something, they can always garner heat.

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No matter where they go, they're
gonna grab heat and they're gonna make

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the crowd hate them. But always
putting titles on them. Yes, you

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do it once just to have a
mega babyface tag team go over them,

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but they out they outlived their welcome
at some point. So here we are

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in the nineties. Now wrestling's floundering. WWF can't figure out what to do

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because they did the Hogan Brett Hart
debacle as far as what we're going to

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do with the title. So Brett
loses to Yokozuna just for hul Cogin to

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get it. No one wants it. Hul Cogan's out of the company a

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couple months later. Yoka Zuna,
I love you, baby, you sleep

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well in heaven because you be Paul
Cogan and he is one of the worst

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worst in ring competitors of all time. So Hogan's gone. Now we have

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to build a company around Hogan and
Brett in WWF, while WCW is using

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these old stars that no one cares
about. This is starting to rub the

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Monday Night Wars. So the kickoff
of the Monday Night Wars is Luger jumping

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back from the US or Lex Express, which was a failed experiments. It's

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great if you have a look,
but if you have I would say Lex

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Luger's in ring is about on par
with Hogan. There's nothing that will allow

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you. It's the same six or
seven moves and that's it. Getting back

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to brass tacks and baseball bats.
My friend, So Luger shows up on

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the first nightro when he was booked
for a bunch of raws wwe didn't know

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because they forgot that they let his
contract lapse. So he's booked for like

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five or six show was and all
of a sudden they're turning on TV and

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they see him coming out of the
Mall of America. I think out of

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a gap or something like that,
which is not that clothes. But I'm

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a more Banana Republic iyeed, same
company, but higher threads. So what

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it comes down to is that was
the first shot. So all of a

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sudden we start getting a little bit
of competition, but it wasn't great still.

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All you had in WW was Brett
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He couldn't work. He was just
an attraction and raised a ramone. Scott

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Hall could work, but was he
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And so then there were some very
talented undercard guys. Bob Holly. I

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was not a fan of him when
I was young. You know what I'll

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say about Bob solid worker, one
hundred percent. I look back at his

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matches. The guy never missed a
que never missed a damn thing. Bob

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Holly was great. He just wasn't
a marquee. That's not his fault.

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They didn't market him right, They
didn't know what to do with him,

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and he was Southern, so they
didn't. Vin's already had it out for

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when he got in there. The
thing is, Bob could beat the heck

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out of guys whenever he wanted to, because he was a legit tough guy.

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So Vince kept him on to kind
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didn't like somebody. Now, getting
back to WW, they're floundering. They're

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just using old WWF, WWE,
whatever you want to call it, main

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events over and over again. People
aren't buying into it. People don't want

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to see Dougan. Do you know
Steve Austin's last match, he lost the

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US title to Duggan in a thirty
second roll up really absolutely was disgusting,

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and the people, like some clapped, but most of them sat on their

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hands. They didn't want to see
this anymore. Steve Austin gets injured,

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he goes away. Mark Merrow decides
he wants to go someplace else. Now,

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you guys might know him as Johnny
Dadd, which was his most entertaining

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point of his career. He was
great as Johnny be bad as Mark Merrow

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as himself. Oh oh god,
yeah, I know what you mean.

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I mean, I remember when I
got the WW network and I started going

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back and forth watching between Nitro and
Monday Night Raw from back in that era,

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and I was actually asking you,
like, Hey, who's this Johnny

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B bad guy? He's actually pretty
good, and then you immediately just said

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it's Mark Merrow. I still can
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How do you make such a drastic
flip. I don't get it,

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and yeah, I guess it leads
us to here. Well, because Vince

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wanted that character so bad, then
he realized he couldn't own the character because

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it was owned by w CW.
That's one of the things w CW screwed

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Vince on. And so he didn't
know what to do. Sick well,

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just make him the wild man Mark
Merrow and before he got in he did

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some amazing stuff. He was supposed
to be a main eventor he like their

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new breed. This is the new
breed now version of WWE, w w

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F, whatever you want to call
it. I'm still going to call it

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w WF at the time. Okay, So there are people Brett and Seawan

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were made uh, Kevin Nash and
Scott Hall jumped. So they thought the

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next people who were going to be
the main eventors Triple H who got punished

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for the whole curtain call. So
he was screwed. So he got put

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down to the to the mid card, but they're their main eventors. I

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met Johnson, Mark Merrow. Oh
there's somebody else in there that was just

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like heinous that. You're just like, what were you thinking? Was it

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a Sid Vicious or I know he
was around in that era. Sid Sid

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hopped back and for I told you
about the time I prink called Sid.

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That was really funny. Oh yeah, that was That was one of my

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funniest things I ever did. My
friend Tom and I, okay, guys,

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we'll sidebar real quick. So so
Sid lives in West Memphis, Arkansas.

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I used to live in Memphis.
My friend Tom and his now wife,

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but when they were dating, they
broke up for a hot second,

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and so she was sitting in a
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Tom called her because he was like, you know, we need to

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be together, you know, And
Sid gets on the phone and like cuts

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a promo on him. About three
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Tom calls me. He's like,
are you at the French Riviera Spa,

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which is a place I used to
work out at. Yes, guys,

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the skinny guy used to work out. I was like no, He's

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like, I'm across the street from
your place. You're not going to believe

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this, but Sid Vishes is working
out with Scott Hall. I was like,

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well, we got to take care
of this. So he came over.

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He called the French riviera on Union
Avenue in Memphis, Tennessee, and

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we asked for his real name,
Sid Udy, and he answered the phone,

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and we cut a promo on him
and called him everything but a man,

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and he started breathing and huffing and
puffing like he was gonna cut a

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promo back, and we made fun
of him and called him everything but a

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man. And I kind of feel
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He shouldn't have messed with Tom's wife
because Meredith, his wife, is absolutely

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gorgeous. My girlfriend, Jennifer,
and you can attest this is absolutely gorgeous.

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Meredith is absolutely gorgeous. And he
shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't

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have been trying to get on even
though they're broken up. I mean,

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he was married. Don't be a
dumb mess. Okay, So let's get

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back. So Sid's coming in and
out of both companies. Vader leaves w

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CW for WWE. He was supposed
to be a main inventor. However,

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he has the Kuwait thing and then
he can't get along with Sean. Now,

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Sean was Vince's favorite to watch shower, so Vince really liked Sean and

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he was getting tired of Brett because
Brett would always beat up Sean, which

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I think is hilarious. So now
we get into this limbo. So the

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nWo is forming. The biggest thing
was Hogan turning heel. People never believe

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they would see it. When I
heard it, God rest his soul.

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Scott Blair calls me and he says, Michael, you're not going to believe

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what happened. I said, what
he is? I watched I don't know,

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dashed the beach. He's like,
Hogan turned heel. I was like,

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are you serious. It's the first
time I wanted to see Hogan in

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fifteen years to see if it was
actually real. And I was like,

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it's an angle, it's and he's
like, no, I do. He

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was also getting you know, Meltzer's
you know observer and stuff like that,

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so he knew a bit more than
me. And this is also the birth

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of the internet, folks, So
this is a revolution in wrestling. So

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now you have wrestling hotlines there online. You have all kinds of different wrestling

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stories and things like that that you
can buy into online. And so we're

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all learning stuff and you you weren't
even born yet. So yeah, fortunately

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this is how it goes. All
of a sudden, the guy that they

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embarrassed bringing into WWF, Steve Austin
as the ring master, Ted Dibiasse's understudy,

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gets hurt. Instead of being fired, he comes back as stone Cold

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Steve Austin, his own idea.
And when he told people he wanted this

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idea and this way to do it, they thought they would give them names

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like Chili mcpfreeze and ice Dagger because
yes, because yeah, I read up

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on this one. Actually. So
he had been watching a documentary of out

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uh some sort of a cold killer, and he really wanted to work with

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just the word cold somehow to get
into it, and they gave him Baron

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von Frost and stuff like that.
He eventually was just getting tired of it,

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and his legend has it his wife
at the time came over because he

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was sick at the time, or
maybe just having a cup of tea or

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whatever, and she handed him it
was either a hot drink or hot soup

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something like that, and she said, uh, make sure you finish that

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stone or before it gets stone cold
Steve Austin, and he just stopped and

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looked at it and was like,
that's it. That's the name we're going

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with it, and that it's very
interesting because I believe that might have still

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been Genie, which was Chris Adams's
ex wife, who yeah, yeah,

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Chris the guy from the wcc W. Yeah, yeah, Chris Adams trained

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Steve Boston. But anyway, we're
not going to get go there. We

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can we can cover that some other
time. So Steve Austin starts to get

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hot. They start to do the
angle with Tyson. Now off lies through

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his teeth, he says. When
they knew that they were working with Mike

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Tyson, heene it was done.
No, WCW was not done at that

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point. They were not done.
They were hot, they were still red

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hot, and they were red hot
for another year. There's eighty three weeks.

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And it didn't end with that.
That was part of it, but

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it didn't end with that. What
killed them is they started doing really stupid

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storylines and everybody thought that w SY
all of a sudden, was like this

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really serious thing. Now, mind
you, folks. You had to go

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through an era where you had the
dungeon of Doom, which used to mean

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something in Florida or the NWA in
the eighties, but in the nineties,

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you had the Yetay, which yeah, YETI by the way, if you

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guys don't know, is a sasquatch
that lives in the Arctic. But they

404
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:52.559
made it a mummy. Yeah,
and I still don't understand how they made

405
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.839
that. I don't know if I
want to call it the mistake or what

406
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.720
they were trying to rebrand this creature
has I'm still lost. I don't know

407
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.279
what they're thinking. I really don't
think they just knew what to do.

408
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.079
They didn't know what to call it. They couldn't call the mummy because I

409
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:11.599
think that's probably trademarked by Universal,
and they were working in Universal Studios a

410
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.519
lot too, for the Saturday nights. Don't want to step on those toes.

411
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:21.440
So that's my speculativeness. But I
don't know. Now getting back to

412
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:29.200
it, they they only created in
WSW at this point for the latter part

413
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.559
of the nineties, when you were
about to be born a few stars.

414
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:38.000
So I'm going to talk about WSW
stars and WWE stars that had blossomed at

415
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.799
the time. Are you ready?
Absolutely? Because I know a couple,

416
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.279
but this is something that I've wanted
to hear more about. Okay, So

417
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.759
the first thing they want to do
in these weren't stars. Rik Bshoff thought

418
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.400
in nineteen ninety six that video games
were going to get big as they are

419
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.519
today, so he thought that he
would create stars that would be big for

420
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.000
their video games, which everybody says
their video games sucked back then, by

421
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:13.160
the way, So this is where
it gets interesting. He created Mortis and

422
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.400
Glacier. First, Glacier, this
guy had the talent of a toothpick.

423
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.240
He was gone awful, terrible.
I actually met him once when he was

424
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:29.359
hungover leaving a show in Ohio.
Smelled like a crock pot of booze,

425
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:30.960
and I was like, all right, Glacier. He like burped and I

426
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.720
was like, holy god, you're
Glacier and he's like yeah, and I

427
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.960
was like yeah, a friend of
mine's a fan of yours. I'm not.

428
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.599
And I just walked away and he
was barely able to walk to his

429
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.240
car. Now, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I believe it

430
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:52.200
was him. The other one was
an incredibly talented human being named Chris Kanyon,

431
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.319
and they made him Mortis. The
idea was they thought it was gonna

432
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.759
be like the next version of Mortal
Kombat, because Mortal kombatvideo game was so

433
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.480
big at the time. Heck,
you know, I hate video games,

434
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:08.680
but I played Mortal Kombat in an
actual arcade kids, in an actual arcade.

435
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:16.440
So the second they saw the nWo
come out, Chris Kanyon said that

436
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.720
he was sitting with Glacier in their
bedroom and they did all these vignettes for

437
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.119
them, by the way, tons
of vignettes, tons, Glaciers coming more,

438
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.599
this, Glaciers coming more, This, Glacier's coming. And they said

439
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:37.279
the second they saw the nWo form
that Canyon looked at Glacier and said,

440
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:45.000
we're done. Were screwed, like
our pushes over and they were right.

441
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.319
They were right, and they still
tried to push it. It didn't work.

442
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.000
And actually, at the end of
one Nitro, I can't remember what

443
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:59.079
nitro was, but this is awesome. At the end of one Nitro they

444
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:04.000
had like WCW good guys like you
know, DDP and stuff like that,

445
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.440
which we'll get to in a second, and Lex Luger and stuff like that,

446
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.440
and the nWo in the ring.
It's like a big like face off,

447
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.079
right, and then the Blood Grund
and cold guys come in like Glacier,

448
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:25.719
Mortis Wrath, who turned out to
be Brian Clark Ernest Miller, and

449
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.960
they kept zooming in on them like
they were gonna be something, and that's

450
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.639
when people turned the channel to WWE. They're like, these guys are idiots.

451
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:42.679
So that was a failed experiment obviously, right right, So that was

452
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.719
like this whole storyline they built up
for like six or seven months for one

453
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.519
guy in Canyon who could wrestle really
well, one guy who's good for a

454
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.960
big man in Brian Clark, a
guy who was absolutely terrible in the ring

455
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.679
and glacier, and then Ernest Miller
who could gain heat because people wanted to

456
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.119
change the channel on him. So
that's what we had. That's what we

457
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:12.639
had. So WSW is circling circling
now the people that they actually created DDP.

458
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.800
Even though I believe I saw him
in Dallas before he was in ww

459
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.320
it wasn't the fact that he was
there before, and people forget that he

460
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.760
was actually the guy driving the car
I think for the honky talk man in

461
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:29.719
WrestleMania three. Did you know that
I had no idea? Is the first

462
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.239
time I'm ever hearing of that.
You might want to look that one up.

463
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:43.039
Uh. DDP was a perennial jobber, just a career put over guys.

464
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.880
He started out as a manager.
He was goofy, he was out

465
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.239
of shape. Not out of shape. Okay, everybody's better looking than I

466
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:55.320
am, but he just he didn't
look like a wrestler. And he was

467
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.599
a guy who put people over it. And they built him. They actually

468
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.840
made him a star. The problem
is they didn't know when to stop pushing

469
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.119
him until Goldberg came in. That's
their second person. Third person is Sting.

470
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:15.239
But Sting wasn't actually created by WCW. He was created by the UWF.

471
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.039
He was part of a merger.
He came in with Hot Stuff International

472
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.920
being managed and ran by Eddie Gilbert. But he was a career WCW guy.

473
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.840
Those are the three people. Buff
Bagwell was actually the last guy besides

474
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.360
Sting to never jump ship. But
DDP never jumped ship. He just appeared

475
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:45.880
as the car driver for that WrestleMania
three instance. He wasn't actually part of

476
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.840
anything at that point, so that's
why he could do that. So I

477
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.719
believe that he's a WSW homegrown star. And of course Goldberg was Goldberg.

478
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.159
So now we have this momentum.
But everybody said, it's sting, it's

479
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.679
sting, it's sting. So now
we start the eighteen month odyssey of the

480
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:08.920
storyline that had the worst payoff in
history. Now, if you turn your

481
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:19.960
channel from w back then WTBS to
USA, we were seeing two different products.

482
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.760
And the version of the products you
had was because that you had so

483
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:32.360
many super religious people working at WTBS
and there was an underground promotion out of

484
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:40.719
Philadelphia and they created a buzz that's
called ECW. Now that buzz started actually

485
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.400
in nineteen ninety four. Now I'm
gonna rewind a little bit, because the

486
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.599
stars of there were stars of yesteryear
like Terry Funk, Don Morocco, Jimmy

487
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:57.320
Snook and stars of tomorrow and maybe
some who never got their chance Saboo Rob

488
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:04.920
banned him. These were people TAZ
that had a future and people who could

489
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:12.639
make these people who had a future
to actually have a past. That's a

490
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.679
sexy thing. You had a mad
scientist and Paul Hayman in charge of it.

491
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:23.079
And what also happened in the nineties
is that there was another last territory

492
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:30.519
that closed up, and that was
Jim Cornett's best podcaster in Louisville, Smoky

493
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.239
Mountain Wrestling. Now, Jim Cornett
has always been obsessed with tag team wrestling,

494
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.119
so there was a lot of tag
team matches. But do you know

495
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:45.760
the stars that came out of Smoking
Mountain. I'll be honest, I actually

496
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.880
don't. I know like a couple
that have been a part of it,

497
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.079
but I don't know who, like, are the biggest stars out of it,

498
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.679
because I know that Johnny Canine was
involved with it, But honestly,

499
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.840
that's one of the only people that
I really know for sure came through it.

500
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:07.880
Hm Alstowe, Cain, Uh,
the Rock and Roll Express, but

501
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:13.519
they've wrestled everywhere. I mean the
Express, they have been everywhere. Yes,

502
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.519
Chris Candido Fall's mahoney, but he
was known as a Buddha Singh and

503
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:25.119
Boo Bradley shoot man. They they
almost everybody who came into the second half

504
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:34.840
of BCW came out of Smoking the
gangstas gangstas they were pulling their gangster stick.

505
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:42.639
I watched my language there they were
pulling their gangster stick in Knoxville in

506
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.880
the most racist crowd and knew.
Jack has been on an interview saying I

507
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:54.320
loved it. I had a pistol
packing for him. There's a lot of

508
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.719
people who came out of Smoking Mountain
Tracy Smothers, Dirty White Boy, but

509
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.320
a lot lot of people who were
being used in the nineties from Smoking Mountain,

510
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.400
which was also in a working relationship
with WW. We're getting renamed and

511
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:15.320
given stupid gimmicks. So if you
ever watched Tony Anthony the Dirty White Boy

512
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.280
have a match, he was like
Tommy Dreamer and Raven. He was amazing.

513
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.239
He was just the dirty White Boy. And when people ask, what's

514
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.559
that mean, the dirty White Boy, it's because it's a Tennessee thing.

515
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.880
You just just look it up,
guys. I'm not gonna explain it to

516
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:35.239
you. But he was like a
lot of people said, Tommy Dreamer versus

517
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.599
Tony Anthony the Dirty White Boy would
be an awesome match. Just anything goes.

518
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.039
There were so many people who then
migrated to E c W after Smoking

519
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:50.880
Mountain closed, but they were used
so bad. I mean, look at

520
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.880
Chris Candido becoming Skip and Sonny being
well, she turned out to be a

521
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.199
whore, Let's be honest, but
she was everybody that they've they've reported it

522
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:08.880
and she's in prison and rightfully,
so you killed a person but there was

523
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.760
a lot of talent that Jim Cornett
could see, and that that that Paul

524
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.719
Hammon could see. So that was
the underground buzz. Eastern Smoky Mountain closes,

525
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.400
Lance Storm, Chris Jericho. They
were in Smoky Mountain before they were

526
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:29.599
in ECW. A lot of these
people reported over it was the only Indi

527
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:35.239
to work and Vince they're not six
foot and three hundred pounds. WSW didn't

528
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.960
know who they were, so you
know, there was a lot of work

529
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.039
to be put in. So this
is how the nineties started getting turned on

530
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:47.480
its ear because now all the goofiness
of only having a few few top stars

531
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:53.800
of WWF and ww have a way
too many top stars or thinking they did,

532
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:01.000
and nobody wanted to put over anybody. It was cluster. Nobody know

533
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:06.559
how to book, knew nobody knew
how to book anything. So that's when

534
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.239
they said, okay, we're going
to start the Attitude era, and that's

535
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.760
when they started getting more violent,
taking things more serious, dropping the gimmicks,

536
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:21.679
getting rid of all the work stuff, and that's how WWF eventually beat

537
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.599
and destroyed WSW in the nineties.
Right, I mean, for a long

538
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:32.159
time they had the occupational gimmicks going
on that. Honestly, nobody was really

539
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.400
wanting to watch any of that,
Like, how am I supposed to relate

540
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.800
to, you know, a plumber
as a wrestler or anything like that.

541
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.800
Shawn Michaels at the time, he
actually was just it seemed like just him

542
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.000
and that worked. Wonders enough.
Brett Hart best there is, best,

543
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.440
there was, best there would ever
be because what occupation is that he's a

544
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.079
wrestler. That's who he wanted to
see. We didn't care about, you

545
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.280
know, these people being garbage men
or whatever, because okay, cool,

546
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.079
you're representing every occupation. But nobody
asked for that. Nobody cared about that.

547
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.360
The New Generation era, it kind
of had its flaws for sure.

548
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:13.800
At the time, the New Generation
era, which was right before the Attitude

549
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.480
era, was such a terrible idea. I remember, like I said,

550
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.239
God rest his soul. Scott Blair
called me one day, He's like,

551
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.480
well, on commentary, we got
a new representative of the new generation.

552
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.760
It's the Honkey top Man, I
mean, And that's when the Honkey top

553
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.360
Man brought out Billy Gunn is Rockability. It was the same stuff recycled we

554
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.599
used to call it recycled alpo.
You can figure out what that is.

555
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.000
So just one of those deals where
it was just yeah, I think it

556
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.480
set in. It's just one of
those deals where you know, road Dog

557
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.920
was the roadie and they were also
using and borrowing a lot of people from

558
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.960
Memphis. But anybody that borrowed or
used for Memphis, they would use,

559
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.760
we mistreat. Of course, a
lot of people from Memphis, let's be

560
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.360
honest, were unruly and they weren't
very tamed. And I know this for

561
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.840
a fact. A lot of them
just did not have manners because they were

562
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.880
used to being big fish in a
small pond and now they're in a really

563
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.000
big pond and small fish and they
didn't know how to deal with it.

564
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.400
But the Smoky Mountain thing, I
mean, you bring it, Chris Candido.

565
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:28.639
I mean, the guy was talented, so talented, hell, oh

566
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:34.599
my gosh, and Tom Pritchard and
we don't know what to do with Let's

567
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.679
just make him a goofy bodybuilding team. And then let's make because because Shawn

568
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.639
Michaels is such a douchebag because he
was getting with Sonny that they buried Chris

569
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.280
Candido, I guarantee you this much. If you put Chris Candido in a

570
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.280
room with Seawan Michaels and told him
what was really going on, Sean would

571
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:59.119
probably be crying on the floor when
he was done because his friends couldn't come

572
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:04.639
in and save his life. And
that's that's what happened. Like the nineties

573
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.639
were a crazy place. So as
we go to close the nineties, Smoky

574
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.480
Mountains gone, ECW's going to close
up. WCW's going to close up in

575
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.320
a couple of years, and all
of a sudden we find ourselves saying,

576
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:21.760
was there really a war? Well, you had to evolve. WCW could

577
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.039
not evolved at that time, and
they started going back to childish stuff.

578
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.679
So they're the ones to start with
the more adult things with the nWo.

579
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.559
I mean, Bischoff's only idea ever, which he ripped off from Japan,

580
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:39.320
the Aristas Group, and he had
no follow up. And then he gave

581
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.039
everybody so much political power within their
contracts that the place was imploding left and

582
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.440
right. And then you had moments
like the fingerpol could do. You had

583
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:58.480
moments like Ernst the Cat and Miller
beating the Great Muda because that's injustice.

584
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:01.559
You had so much Garbae, what's
going on? Then you hired people who

585
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.920
couldn't be muzzled, like the strousso
and at Ferrara and then at Farrar doing

586
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:15.159
just the worst ever portrayal of JR. Yeah, the Oklahoma gimmick, which

587
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:20.880
is very looked down upon in the
wrestling world now, just making fun of

588
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.719
even like the health aspects of Jim
Ross. Why would you do that?

589
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.119
That is a terrible idea. But
another thing that I've actually read up on

590
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:37.559
a little bit was WCW had some
of the worst financial issues possible, Like

591
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:44.000
they would fly the entire roster to
every single show for the entire time that

592
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.519
WCW was around. Can you imagine
just bringing every single person, even the

593
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.599
ones that aren't going to be used
in the show. They didn't care.

594
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.679
They were bringing everybody. They were
making such poor they were making such poor

595
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:00.960
decisions that I believe they had Landy
Poffo. Don't quote me on this,

596
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.360
but I think I read it in
sex Lies and Sexalize and headlocks. He

597
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.719
was on the roster for two years, for like one hundred and fifty thousand

598
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:13.480
dollars a year and never set foot
in an arena just because he was Randy

599
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.639
Savage's brother. There's a lot of
people like that. A lot of people

600
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.039
will tell you that, Hey,
like Iron Chic, I think he was

601
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:27.360
making one hundred grand and they just
forgot to deny his contract, so it

602
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.400
just rolled over and they just kept
paying them. They made so many,

603
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:38.880
so many piss poor decisions as a
company. I like, honestly, if

604
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.880
I had that kind of money,
I could only imagine if Paul Hayman had

605
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.199
that money with DCW, what he
could have done. He could have kept

606
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:51.800
his talent, not giving him away
and had a national product. Or even

607
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.960
Jim Cornett was Smoking Mountain because Smoking
Mountain. If you watch some of those

608
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.840
matches, those are great matches.
They were entertaining matches, and there were

609
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:05.880
storylines. Everything was built around a
real story. And so that's what all

610
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:13.079
of a sudden dried up. It
became ECW got really mimicked because that's what

611
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.119
people wanted to see. People were
staying up. Your uncle Tim and I

612
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.920
would stay up till two in the
morning on a Saturday night. Boy,

613
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.360
we really had a life. Girls
really wanted to get to know me,

614
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:31.920
guys, and just so we could
watch our forty minutes of ECW on Sports

615
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.239
Channel USA. I talked, thought
it was just it was, it was,

616
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.840
it was. It was the first
time I saw it. I was

617
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.639
living out the one sixty six house. So, guys, I used to

618
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.960
live at this house at the corner
one sixty six and Route five point thirty

619
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:55.480
four. You don't need to nowhere. And we'd gotten cable and I was

620
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:01.639
nineteen, it was maybe twenty.
I was twenty and this was like ninety

621
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:07.920
six, okay, and I'm flipping
through the channels. We had about forty

622
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.440
channels, guys. That was the
luxury back then. And I found ECW

623
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.920
and Sports Channel America at two in
the morning, and I was like,

624
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.599
oh my god. The first thing
I did. I called my friend,

625
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.760
the late great Scott. I said, Scott, turn on channel twenty right

626
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.280
now. He's like why, I
said, just do it. They saw.

627
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:35.239
He's like, oh my god.
That's every week. We would talk

628
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.480
on the phone while we watched it
until it eventually Sports Channel went away.

629
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.400
But that's how we got introduced to
Stevie Richards Rave and well, I knew

630
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.360
Raven when he was Scotty the Body
or even before that, like Scott Anthony.

631
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.079
I mean, I've watched him since
like ninety one, but Johnny Polo

632
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:58.400
and Scotti Filamingo I believe his other
names were all those. Yeah, definitely,

633
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.559
I do the whole gam butit,
I mean, obviously we know I'm

634
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.679
a huge Raven fan. We should
find out how big of a Raven fan

635
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.559
I am. But that's first time
I saw Eddie Guerrero, first time I'd

636
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:15.119
seen Crispin Wadi Malenko. Uh,
first time I had seen Raymond Stereo Psychosis.

637
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.920
I mean, all this was brand
new, and I'm seeing stuff that

638
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.760
I'm like, Okay, Hogan's doing
a lake drop and I'm watching Psychosis do

639
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.000
like a four to fifty splash,
and I'm going, what what am I

640
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.199
watching? And then like you know, the Sandman coming out with a cigarette

641
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.960
and just caning the living hell out
of somebody, and Tommy Dreamer almost dying

642
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.239
every night, and Raven cutting some
of the best promos you've ever seen in

643
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:45.920
your life, Tommy, excuse me, Terry Funk coming out and almost dying,

644
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:54.440
also wrapping himself in Bob barbed wire
and going on Sabo who. It

645
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.559
was just different. So that underground
feeling and how that gave birth to the

646
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:05.840
Attitude era, and how that became
what was the new breed of wrestling.

647
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.920
It was very important because we needed
that. If we didn't have that shot

648
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.159
in the arm, that kick in
the ass, that new breath in our

649
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.840
throats wrestling, I wouldn't say it
would have went under because USA had a

650
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.519
long term contract with WW. But
I don't know if we'd all be fans

651
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:29.360
now. It might be under now
because WW wasn't gonna last. That was

652
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:35.360
the nineties, guys, that's very
true. I mean after the nineties.

653
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.519
Well even during the nineties you also
had smaller companies. Of course, you

654
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:45.280
had the indies. You had I
want to call them almost clones of ECW,

655
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.280
kind of like XBW and stuff that
existed, but just it didn't have

656
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.840
the same feel or anything for when
it existed back then. And I guess

657
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.719
it's reemerged now, but I'm not
really sure how well they're doing, which

658
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.960
I don't expect them to do that
great honestly from how they were before.

659
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:01.920
And you know, well, I
mean, if Rob Black still owns it,

660
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.519
go to hell, Rob Black.
I'll tell you that right now.

661
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.760
I mean, any guy who ran
his company off of being a porno company

662
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:19.519
and then asking, like some of
the people to start in pornography is That's

663
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.239
all I say about that. That's
beyond words, honestly. Now, if

664
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.159
I'm wrong, Rob Black, If
I'm wrong, it's at one four or

665
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:29.880
four Captain on X Twitter, whatever
you want to call it. If I'm

666
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:34.440
wrong, tell me i'm wrong.
But everybody I know has told me that.

667
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.599
And you know you had CZW,
Combat Zone Wrestling, Comment Zone Wrestling

668
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:45.719
actually infiltraded ECW. I think it
was CZW, but I'm not positive.

669
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:52.440
Infiltraded ECW for pay per view,
and a bunch of ECW guys came out

670
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:58.199
and beat beat up the wrestlers who
are in the front row, and I

671
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:04.039
think one of them was John Moxley, the guy knocked around Interesting, Yeah,

672
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.239
you can look that one up.
I'm not positive it was him.

673
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.280
Guys, Look, I'm almost fifty, so my memory isn't quite what it

674
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.920
used to be, but it's pretty
damn sharp for being a wrestling history.

675
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:22.079
So with that being said, the
nineties were a very interesting time. We

676
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.000
started out with garbage, we started
out with steroids, We started out with

677
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:29.840
larger than life characters. We became
sharp shooting wrestlers. Then we became great

678
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.559
wrestling then we became hardcore wrestling.
Then we became very serious storylines. Then

679
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.119
we became making characters that people wanted
to see and people wanted to invest in.

680
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:44.280
The Undertaker was no longer dead.
He was a biker. It made

681
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.719
sense because people were about to flush
the toilet on it. And everybody says

682
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:51.199
they hate that version of the Undertaker. That's my favorite version, and he'll

683
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.800
tell you it's one of his favorite
versions because he could actually sell and show

684
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:58.960
people he could work. Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense, And

685
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:04.000
honestly, I feel like, how
do I put this? The biker version

686
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.960
is probably much closer than the dead
Man was to the Undertaker, Like personality

687
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.599
wise, I feel like that's a
little bit closer to him, you know,

688
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.599
being you know, a biker and
just being a wrestler at that point.

689
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.840
That's kind of how it was seen. Once again, not really occupational

690
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.360
anymore, but it's just something that
somebody like him probably might enjoy or something.

691
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.119
You know, absolutely, it's it's
you're amplifying who you are in real

692
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.119
life, and I think he enjoyed
that. Now I'm gonna turn this up.

693
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:37.239
Another notch wrestlers who came about in
the nineties the headline chevity. Are

694
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.960
you ready? Absolutely, because I
can name a few, obviously being Undertaker,

695
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.599
Kine, Mick Foley, the Rock
Stone, Cold Rakishi's kind of around,

696
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.320
but I'm not really sure if i'd
want to count him in that category.

697
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:58.880
Can always go with I mean,
big Daddy v was around, But

698
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:00.760
do we really want to count em
as part of that. I'm going to

699
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:06.119
say no with that guy. Do
you remember the day you text me and

700
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:07.840
you're like, he died? I
was like, yeah, I'm talking to

701
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:13.119
his wife right now. So I'm
just saying that because in the book that

702
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:17.719
you recommended to me, Titan Sinking, it kind of mentions him as one

703
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.039
of the people that Vince tried to
push as one of the big men,

704
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.920
but it just didn't really work.
It wasn't filling the void of Hogan Andre

705
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.800
all these larger than life characters.
So that's kind of why my mind keeps

706
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.800
kind of flushing back to it.
But yeah, so obviously you have guys

707
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.599
like Sting. I don't think DDP
really lasted too long into the two thousands

708
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:44.519
or anything like that, but I've
noticed that Sting going into TNA and such.

709
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:50.559
After WWE kind of bought out WCW
and everything. It's different. He

710
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.079
really kept a character together and honestly
he's been loved wherever he's gone. So

711
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.920
I gotta say sting hats off to
you, man. You've had a long

712
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.119
career, just retired. Congratulations on
that, man. But those are a

713
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.679
few that I can name that I
know lasted from there. So yeah,

714
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.719
a lot of names that I'm overlap
with you, Cain. These these are

715
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.840
people that like kind of popped onto
the scene in the nineties as opposed to

716
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:20.039
they might have been working before that. But Cain, El Snow, Chris

717
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:24.880
Jerico, Land Storm, Oh shoot, man, I mean there's so many.

718
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.079
Yeah, some names I can't say. You know, you know another

719
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:35.880
another name I want to say,
but I can't. Uh De Malenko.

720
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:45.119
I mean it was a Dawn,
Shane, Douglas, Raven, Perry,

721
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.960
Saturn. A lot of people became
household names from the nineties that no one

722
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:58.039
ever gives the credit for. Brian
Pillman and ladies and gentlemen. Every time.

723
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:04.000
If if you are in Florida and
you see Lexus King Russell just screamed

724
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.039
Brian Pillman. Just scream Brian Pillman. Because his father was amazing, and

725
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:15.119
his father reinvented a character that was
so amazing that Steve Steve Austin even said

726
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:29.360
this is gonna rival me Goldberg,
I mean Chavalguerrero. There were so many

727
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:35.400
names that came out in the nineties
that people will not give I mean,

728
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.039
honestly, Jeff Jarrett was wrestling in
USWA, but no one was seeing it

729
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:44.280
unless you were watching ESPN. So
Jared got bigger than China. Not a

730
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.840
big China fan, but yeah,
China. She was still around. The

731
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.800
Hardy's Christian and Edge they were around
in the nineties as well. How about

732
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:59.039
some kid named Helmsley or some kid
named the Rock. Austin was around before

733
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.440
that, but eighty nine, eighty
eight, eighty nine was like really his

734
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:07.679
start in Dallas. But I mean
nineties is when he really got into wsw

735
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.440
and really blew up. There are
so many names that came out of the

736
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.039
nineties, Like the eighties had a
lot of names, but the territories were

737
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:20.760
so big and there's so many older
people that were retiring. It wasn't the

738
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:29.400
same. The nineties made more wrestling
and more wrestling fans than any other generation.

739
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:36.039
And then your uncle Tim, he
and I would get magazines, Yeah,

740
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.480
because every girl wanted to get to
know me back then, and we

741
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:45.119
find out about like Kenna Kobayashi and
Shinya Hashimoto and everybody oversees Super Delphin.

742
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.760
I didn't he have a tag team
partner, Super Delphine. Didn't he have

743
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.440
like a tag team partner that was
like themed after a crab or something.

744
00:58:54.599 --> 00:59:00.960
I can't remember his name. I
can't remember his name. Oh, you

745
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.920
put me on the spot on that
one. But yeah, yeah, it

746
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:06.719
was. It was just a different
time. It was just a different time,

747
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:12.000
and it was it was romantic with
wrestling back then because it became hot

748
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.639
and that was the dawn of the
tape trading era and so like URF video

749
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:23.400
got really hot, and it was
before DVD or the birth of DVD at

750
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:29.119
the end of it, like ninety
seven ninety eight something like that is when

751
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.480
DVD started to blow up. But
before that RAF video, everybody you just

752
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:37.159
get on the internet, the birth
and the baby of the Internet, and

753
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:38.840
you'd be like, you have this
match of this wall, I'll trade you

754
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:44.840
this match to that. So you've
got Hogan versus Muda Muda when he actually

755
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:52.000
worked versus you know, having Super
Delphin and Grand Suske Versus, you know,

756
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:59.199
Raymysterio and Psychosis. I mean the
stuff that we had to tape trade

757
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:07.800
back then in the abilities and the
hunger for it. The hunger was that

758
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:15.400
it's epitome nineteen nineties. It's a
good way to put it. I mean,

759
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:19.159
so growing up, I was obviously
a little bit after the tape trading

760
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.079
era, but I remember my friends
and I we had the DVD box sets

761
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:27.239
of certain wrestlers and their matches because
for a while, WWE was releasing like,

762
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.519
oh yeah, here's the history of
DX, Here's the history of you

763
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.280
know, Jeff Hardy's career. They
called it my life, my Rules,

764
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.360
Okay, here's you know, it
didn't matter who it was, really,

765
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.280
if they were going to be leaving
the company or ww just felt like,

766
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.679
hey, this guy, you know, he's gotten big enough we could probably

767
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:44.960
make some money off of if we
were to release just a set of his

768
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.719
matches. That's what me and my
friends used to do in a way,

769
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.280
because we used to either go to
each other's houses just watch together, or

770
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.039
we would just trade for a week
and then trade back after. So yeah,

771
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.599
I kind of hear you on that. I mean, it definitely kind

772
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.440
of lasted as well before streaming took
over. I remember in two thousand and

773
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.840
four, you know, my best
friend Miguel, he got me the Following

774
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:14.599
Ones DVD. Yeah, and I
threw it out after the whole incident,

775
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.199
But yeah, I had Ben Law's
DVD and just watching his whole story and

776
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:24.039
everything else, it was just amazing, and so I just look at like

777
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:29.159
it was. It was really big, and like the last wrestling DVD I

778
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:37.039
bought was Ladies and Gentlemen. My
name is Paul Hayman. Interesting, yes,

779
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.719
that was the last one I ever
bought. And then you know,

780
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.880
of course it's the network and everything
else after that. You know, the

781
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.639
network was first rumored in like ninety
seven, ninety eight, the nineties,

782
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:52.760
So I don't know about that necessarily, but I do remember that. So

783
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:58.480
I had a few DVDs that were
called just Legends of Wrestling, and it

784
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:02.320
went over a few different guys Careers
Junkyard, Dog, Sergeant Slaughter, Rick

785
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.960
Flair, I believe, and just
those guys's names, and it had a

786
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.360
little commentary table where all these guys
like Mike Hayes and Jim Ross just were

787
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:15.079
talking about them now. I remember
one of the previews before it actually got

788
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.559
to the menu and everything, which
I'm not sure why they included, you

789
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.239
know, previews, but I guess
you gotta give commercials somehow when it's not

790
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.400
fully on cable. But something that
I really remember distinctly was they were trying

791
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.480
to push WWE on demand, which
is going to be like a cable channel

792
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.599
that you could watch any you know, event that has ever happened or anything

793
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:38.960
like that. Yes, yes,
that was the original idea for the for

794
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:44.159
the network. And if you listen
to old Bruce Pritchard podcast, he'll tell

795
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:52.239
you yeah, like Vince wanted a
physical network. So it's the nineties were

796
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.480
a very strange air like like they
always parody, like, oh well,

797
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:59.920
Sean Michaels is on Aol dot com
that used to be a big thing.

798
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.519
Yeah, it doesn't exist at all. It is funny how much technology and

799
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:16.320
everything else. WSW actually did a
streaming listen perview on the Internet. There

800
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:20.719
was no camera. It was just
you had to listen to it for five

801
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:29.679
dollars, just a different time.
Man. Interesting, that's not how I

802
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:30.840
would want to spend my money.
I can see why that didn't work.

803
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:37.599
Out the people did it? People
did it? Yeah, so why don't

804
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.880
we wrap this up? The nineties
are over, we're in the twenty twenties.

805
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I'm almost fifty. You were a
little baby. Now I'm twenty five.

806
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:57.960
Yeah you almost the man teeth oh
man. But all right, so

807
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:01.320
we'll wrapping it up, guys.
I will recommend if you guys want to

808
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.679
know more about this kind of stuff, definitely read the Titan trilogy, so

809
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.679
Titan Sinking, Titan Shattered, Titan
Screwed. These books really have a good

810
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.199
insight on everything that was going on
backstage, and there's some things that are

811
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.000
pretty gritty in here, especially about
guys like Randy Savage and stuff. So

812
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.440
if you want to learn more about
this kind of stuff, either talk to

813
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.400
us or start reading the book.
Either way you can learn a lot.

814
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:29.039
Michael, you have any recommendations for
everybody? Absolutely, Like I always say,

815
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.360
Death of the Territories is a great
book and sexualized in Headlocks great book

816
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:39.360
too, of course, I mean, like big fan of Rick Flair's book,

817
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.840
but I'm a big fan of Rick
Flair. Sorry stuttering a little bit,

818
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:46.920
But aside from that, you know, the one book I can't find

819
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:55.760
is there obviously not an autobiography,
but a biography on Andre the Giant.

820
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.400
I want to read more about him
because everybody has stories about it. But

821
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.119
well, also, Bruce of Brodie's
book is probably one of the best books

822
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:10.559
I've ever written in my life,
and it's it's made very, very digestible,

823
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.679
so when you read it, it's
done by quotes of people instead of

824
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:18.280
reading in the format of paragraphs.
It's very cool, so I highly recommend

825
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.639
that one. Aside from that,
if you want to reach me, it's

826
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:28.159
at one four to four Captain on
X and how about you, You guys

827
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.960
can always reach me at maintenance MeV. We can talk about wrestling, we

828
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.199
can talk about whatever. I don't
really care. You know, hit on

829
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:38.000
my DMS. I really don't care. We can talk about whatever from wrestling.

830
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.039
If you have any episodes suggestions as
well, guys, go ahead and

831
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.400
hit up either of us. We'd
be happy to potentially give a response or

832
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.239
maybe just do it on the show
and give you a shout out after speaking,

833
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.320
which Michael, do you have any
shout outs for anybody? I don't

834
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.840
have anybody for this episode. There's
always one shout out you know who it

835
01:05:53.880 --> 01:06:00.119
is potential future answer. I love
each Jetnifer. I love you with my

836
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:06.119
whole heart. So that's just Look, guys, I don't care if you

837
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:09.920
want to hear it or not.
I love her and if you saw her,

838
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:14.760
you'd love her too. All right, guys, as always do something

839
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.079
nice for somebody you never know who
needs it. And with that, in

840
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:24.400
the words of Memphis Mark, I'm
out. Thanks for listening to the WWE

841
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:30.079
podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on
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842
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.079
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843
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:41.519
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dot com slash WWE podcast. Until then,

844
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.079
we'll see you next time.