WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.960 Welcome back to Raised by Giants Live Discussion. Welcome everyone in the tie. 2 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:37.439 I get to see you guys and any moderators or channel members out there. 3 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:43.240 Today we have returning guests former DoD and US Army Military Intelligence Trey Hudson. 4 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.399 But before I bring him on, a quick reminder that Right Arranger Channel memberships 5 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.200 are available and are really the best way to help support the show monthly for 6 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.479 lessen to cup of coffee a month, and if you become a Right Arranger 7 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:00.399 Channel member, you get access to bonus episodes and a new episode is going 8 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.959 to be dropping this Friday. 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So I 17 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.560 am as we say down here in the south Land, rip roaring and raring 18 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.200 to go, Rip, rorn and ready to go. Let's do it. 19 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.760 So, you know, we've talked about a lot of topics on the Channel 20 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:00.000 since you've been coming on for a couple of years now and in the past. 21 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:05.040 We talked about the dyat Love Pass event in Russia in nineteen fifty three, 22 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:10.479 where nine hikers were found dead in mysterious circumstances. Six of them had 23 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:16.280 died from supposedly hypothermia, three of them had been killed by physical trauma. 24 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:23.759 One victim had major skull damage, two had severe trust trauma, and another 25 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.439 had a small crack in his skull. Four of the bodies were found in 26 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.719 laying. They were found laying and running water in a creek, and three 27 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:37.280 out of those four had soft tissue damage to the head and face, and 28 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.919 two of the bodies had missing eyes and a missing tongue, and one had 29 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:46.000 missing eyebrows. Then we also discussed the Corvinia incident in nineteen ninety three, 30 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:52.680 which was also in Russia, which was very fascinating because it was very similar 31 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:57.280 to the dat Love Pass event, but there was a survivor, and she 32 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:05.000 said one by one of their hiking crew collapsed to the ground and started convolsing, 33 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.319 bleeding from their eyes, nose, and mouth. Now, I didn't 34 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:16.080 know until recently that there was a case that is sort of like these two 35 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:22.240 cases that happened in Russia, but the case was in the United States that 36 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:29.560 was very similar in nature, what is called the Yuba County five from nineteen 37 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.840 seventy eight. And I believe you've done some research into the Yuba County five, 38 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.479 So can you give us a little bit of information on what happened in 39 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.199 that case. Yeah, And now, of course I'm having to go in 40 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.840 the way back machine because it's been a while since I've actually looked at the 41 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.080 U of five case. But Fiel me and if I start wondering as stray, 42 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:50.479 much like these young men, if I start getting off the trail, 43 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.439 just lead me back. You know, there are five five young men, 44 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.960 and I'm just going to lay the facts out there. Don't read into it. 45 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:09.840 These young men had some some mental disabilities, you know, some of 46 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.919 them had some psychological issues. Uh, several of them had a lower than 47 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.720 average intelligence quotion you know, lower lower than average IQ. But they were 48 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.160 functional. You know, they could they could work, they could drive cars, 49 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:26.560 you know, they could interact with people. Uh, and they were 50 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:32.079 very very big fans of I'm trying to remember the university. It's a local 51 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:38.279 basketball team. And they had left one night, all of these friends to 52 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:44.720 go see this basketball game out of town. And they never showed showed back 53 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.519 up at home. You know, they it should have been a you know, 54 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.680 an out and back, pretty straight thing. People remember seeing them at 55 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.959 the game, you know, watching them really get energized, you know, 56 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.000 with the you know, with the game as it was being played. Uh. 57 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:04.000 They actually played on a league. It played the league for developmentally challenged 58 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.120 individuals there in their hometown. So they were really you know, they were 59 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.120 sportsmen, they were athletes, you know, and they were very good friends. 60 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.120 And they never showed back up. And it became a very very big 61 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:20.079 mystery on what happened to these young men. And where it gets really weird 62 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:28.720 is they ended up on a very remote mountain kind of like a forest service 63 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:33.360 road, a very remote road way way off track you know, completely you 64 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.079 know, completely off track, miles and miles and miles back up in the 65 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:43.360 wilderness, and their car was found, but they were gone, and they 66 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:48.240 started searching Uma County and I'm trying to remember the adjacent county. They were 67 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.959 really ill prepared for it. If if you look at it from the perspective 68 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:57.120 of incident management, it was a very poor coordination of what they call a 69 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.279 unified command. So the search was disjointed. There were a lot of you 70 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.399 know, back and forth on who had jurisdiction, who should take the lead, 71 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.800 et cetera, et cetera. And this was back in the seventies, 72 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:11.759 so incident command wasn't really uh you know, developed and matured like it is 73 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.199 now. And because of that, they lost a lot of valuable time. 74 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.319 In the winter came in and which resulted in your very heavy snowfall, you 75 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:23.120 know, just burying the entire you know, what they thought was a crime 76 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:29.240 scene. And so when things finally started thalling, they started finding their bodies, 77 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.680 uh four of them, one I believe they never found if I'm correct, 78 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:39.360 right, And they found the bodies in such places as you know, 79 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:44.920 a few miles from the car. Really really interestingly is they found one of 80 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.680 the bodies in a forced service cabin which was set up as an emergency shelter. 81 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:56.879 And this cabin had a I believe it was a propane heater or heater 82 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.319 of some sort that you know, was self sufficient. It had food, 83 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.079 it had blankets. You could actually winter in there. You could survive the 84 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:08.600 winter with all the supplies they had there. But yet they found the young 85 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:14.480 man's body laying in the bunk, malnourished. He starved to death with cans 86 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:19.240 of food and a can opener, almost literally with an arm's reach. And 87 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:24.560 then they found a friend of his they thinking made it to the cabin with 88 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.879 him, I believe about two or three hundred yards away from the cabin, 89 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:32.079 if I'm not mistaken. So it's one of those things that was just a 90 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:38.000 total, you know, a comedy, not that it's funny, but just 91 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:44.959 this whole daisy chain of errors, and no one cause has ever been brought 92 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.519 forward to why these young men were so far off course. There was a 93 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:56.720 witness that saw their car and remembers seeing figures moving around inside of the vehicle. 94 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.480 That was the mysterious VW, which I believe got stuck by behind them. 95 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.480 Not long after, they went all the way up the mountain road and 96 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.800 got stuck in the snow drift, and uh, like I said, one 97 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.240 has never been found. One was actually the body was discovered by his father, 98 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.279 which was was rather horrifying that the father actually went out there after the 99 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.800 snow melt and found his son's body, saw a jacket and found the remains 100 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.439 of his son there inside of the clothing. Uh. So it was. 101 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:30.399 It's one of those big mysteries. It's really odd because it isn't really on 102 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:35.639 the conscious conscious consciousness of you know, people here in the continental US, 103 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.799 like the Diad Law pass and some of these other things. But it's equally 104 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:46.799 as mysterious because no defined, solid logical reason for this disappearance of these five 105 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.720 and five young men, not just one, not just two, but five 106 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.480 has ever been put forward. And then you start looking at you know, 107 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:56.519 looking at it through the optics of you know, like David Plaid's, you 108 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.639 know, his name always comes up, you know, some of the missing 109 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.440 for one and stuff, the paradoxical undressing, the uh, the type of 110 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:09.000 uh, you know environment that these disappearances happened, the type of weather patterns 111 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.440 that happened all days. You start to see a pattern, but you know 112 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.120 a lot of people have never heard of the Ubu County five. Well, 113 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.200 I think that this was a big mistake on the media's part because the media 114 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:31.080 printed in newspapers that five retarded boys went missing. Like just saying that really 115 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:37.080 brings down public interests when you use the retarded word in there, and that 116 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.399 makes it seem like, oh, well, we don't care about these boys. 117 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.039 They should have just said five boys gone missing, right right, and 118 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.600 that would have changed everything exactly. But instead they said five printed in bold 119 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:58.080 letters on top of the newspaper heading five retarded boys gone missing. That's ridiculous, 120 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.039 you know, and it really was as an insult, you know, 121 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.960 not only to the memory of these young men, but to their families too. 122 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.799 You know, these were not you know, individuals that were so mentally 123 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.600 incapacitated that they could not function. They you know, they could function in 124 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.480 society. You know, they drove up there to this basketball game and we're 125 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.840 in the process of driving back, so you know it really you know, 126 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.559 that's an interesting point because you know, once back in the seventies, it 127 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.519 was a different time and when you use the term retarded and I'm not saying 128 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.759 that as an insult, but that was the term used back then. Is 129 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.240 it really made us like, oh, these these people were you know, 130 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.000 greatly diminished mental capacity. You know, they wandered away, they got lost 131 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.000 and died. And that is not the case at all. You know, 132 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.200 it was not a case of people not knowing where they were going, and 133 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.919 certainly not a case of them not knowing how to get back home. And 134 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:56.639 the effort wasn't put into it like it should have. People with mental issues, 135 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:07.600 be they psychological issues, mentally illness and some other issues were pushed to 136 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.200 the fringes of society. They were almost treated like throwaway people. And it 137 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.000 was a real shame. And that's that's a very good point. That's an 138 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.759 excellent point writer, that it did not get the media attention, and quite 139 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.240 frankly, I don't think it got the law enforcement and search and rescue attention 140 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.200 that it should have gotten if it had been somebody of you know, maybe 141 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.639 of a different social you know, grouping than it was. And I think 142 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:39.519 that one of the dads of one of the missing boys told the police about 143 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.720 the cabins back there and that they should go back there and search them, 144 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.799 and then they didn't, which is another really interesting part to all this because 145 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.320 it seems like when these mysterious things happen, there's always some kind of weather 146 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.399 anomaly, which we're going to get into that here in just a little bit, 147 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.240 but there's always a stream weather anomaly that calls off the search in almost 148 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:09.360 every one of these cases. It's so interesting. But first, the boy 149 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:16.039 that was found in the cabin, it's theorized that somebody else was there with 150 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.399 him because apparently he was wrapped in all these sheets and all these blankets in 151 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.879 a way that made it that he couldn't have done it by himself, which 152 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.000 I don't know really how much truth there is that. I mean, I 153 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.799 could wrap myself in a bunch of sheets pretty easily. And apparently his shoes 154 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:43.799 was missing, and then the shoes of another person was there at the front 155 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.120 of the door, if I'm remembering correctly. I think that's right. And 156 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.000 I think that one of the assumptions that was made is the way the body 157 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.679 was wrapped, that it might have been wrapped post mortem. You know, 158 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:58.399 that somebody wrapped him almost shroudlike, you know, in the left him in 159 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.320 a state, you know, theyre in the cabin. Yeah. And then 160 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.720 another thing was is apparently the father of one of the boys went out there 161 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:15.440 and was like looking looking for them and said that he seen tracks and that 162 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:22.440 there was only supposedly four sets of tracks leading away from the car. So 163 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:28.600 what happened to the to the fifth guy that was never found? Right, 164 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.440 you know, And that's that's that's the big mystery is you know, you 165 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.279 have this. You know, we can look at it, you know, 166 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:39.159 through the lens of missing people as we look at these mysterious cases today, 167 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.399 and it almost fits, you know, perfectly, you know, with some 168 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.000 of the mysterious cases you know, all over the world of missing people. 169 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.320 Something else, I'm going to backtrack a little bit. We talked about, 170 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.159 you know, the lack of media coverage. Uh, there's some very good 171 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.120 podcast out there on the Yuba County five. And when you're listening to the 172 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:03.799 family as they're interviewed, I get the impression that they're from a social strata 173 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.240 that people tend to write off, that they're of a you know, of 174 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.200 a lower social strata. And it was like, yeah, you know, 175 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.799 here's these you know, hillbillies and you know, their retarded kids got lost, 176 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.039 and you know, you know, it's just you know, who cares, 177 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.720 which is absolutely the wrong thing to say and the wrong way to treat 178 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.320 people. And you know, I think that, Uh I remember listening to 179 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.960 it, and I'm like, I could see how that I could see the 180 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.080 Sheriff's department blowing them off, you know, and just kind of disregarding Like 181 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.559 you said, Hey, there's cabins up there. You know, you need 182 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.000 to go search these cabins. There were four sets of footprints, you need 183 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.759 to look into this, and the experts, you know, just saying, 184 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.320 yeah, you don't know what you're doing. Just go home and wait for 185 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.799 a phone call. Yeah, it's like, if you find their vehicle there, 186 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.279 then would you not automatically assume that they're nearby? Like it doesn't really 187 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.039 make any sense to me. And that's another thing, is it seems like 188 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:11.080 a lot of these cases that the police, given certain circumstances, inadvertently botched 189 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.000 the investigation. Yeah, the reasons for that can be. There could be 190 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.360 many separate reasons for that. I mean, there could be all kinds of 191 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.080 different things going on, but it seems like there's normally a police botching the 192 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.720 investigation. There's some sort of weather anomaly, but common sense would tell you 193 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.919 that if you were how many miles was that mountain outside of town was like 194 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.679 forty miles somewhere around in that vicinity outside of town, and that's like literally 195 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.759 the only place that you could be. So if you find the car out 196 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.639 there, you would assume that they are out there. Yeah. Yeah, 197 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.440 it's you know, I've took a course in man tracking, you know, 198 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.279 how to track people, you know, based on the tracks and how they 199 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.960 move through the woods and all that. And one of the basic things that 200 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:03.559 you always start with is what's called last known point l KP. Where did 201 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.159 you see this person last? And that's where you start, and then you 202 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.919 start fanning out from there. Uh. And it was just, uh, 203 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:17.879 it was just a just a real what we used to call in the military 204 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:23.320 a Charlie foxtrot, which is a cluster f dot dot dot H. And 205 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.360 it's it's like they didn't want to find them, you know, it's very 206 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:32.960 odd. It's like they just did not really have any interest, you in 207 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.879 finding these individuals. And which is odd because I had a very I have 208 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:41.840 a very good friend who recently passed away that worked back country search and rescue 209 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:47.519 in California at that time, and they had the resources available, you know, 210 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:53.080 they had back country experts, subject matter experts with backcountry trained dogs that 211 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:59.799 could track, and you know, they never seemed to bring these really massive 212 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:06.759 sources to bear on this particular case. And the dogs could have sniffed that 213 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.880 car and got picked up the sin of each one of those boys and led 214 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.279 them right to them, probably probably could have led them directly to the cabin 215 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.559 where well, I mean, it seems like whenever they first got there and 216 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:25.160 they first found the car, all the boys were alive at that time when 217 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.119 they got there. That's what it kind of seems like. And definitely the 218 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.400 kid, the boy that was at the cabin, I mean, we're calling 219 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.480 them boys. They weren't actually boys. They were they were twenties. There 220 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.720 were men, but especially the boy, the man that was in the cabin 221 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:44.759 was definitely alive during that time. Yeah, yeah, it was. Uh 222 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.039 so is that you know what you have to wonder? And you know, 223 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.680 I would love to do this, and I know the records don't exist, 224 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.279 and quite frankly, I don't have the time to dig dig too deep down 225 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:59.759 into it, but I would love to go back if the records exist, 226 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.720 which it's kind of questionable if they do. Is is this an isolated incident. 227 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.799 Is this a one off? How many other missing individuals? Uh? 228 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:14.599 We're never found or were found months later in that same area, you know, 229 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.839 because you can remember, this was back before the twenty four hour news 230 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.759 cycle, and a person going missing might have you know, one day, 231 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.279 two days in the newspaper, maybe picked up on the local TV media, 232 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.440 maybe not. And if they're not found, that's it. There's no web 233 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:36.039 page dedicated to finding this person. There's no groups of Internet sluice, you 234 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.720 know, constantly reviewing the case. It's one and done. So you know, 235 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:42.480 how many other cases, you know, do you have in that area? 236 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.440 And is there a pattern you can you establish clusters? You know, 237 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.720 kind of like you know we've done here in the twenty first century of missing 238 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:55.400 persons cases. You know, I would love, you know, if anybody's 239 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.160 ever done that kind of data. I would love our research. I'd love 240 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:03.559 to see the data on you know, that area of California. So looking 241 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:11.279 into this because I have my own theory on what actually happened through you know, 242 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.519 watching people talk about it and listening to the documentaries and everything on it. 243 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:29.799 What's your best educated guests and opinion as to what happened to them. 244 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:38.960 You're muted. I think, Trey, sorry about that. My PC wasn't 245 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.680 wasn't co operating. You know, my best theory, my best and it's 246 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:49.319 a guess. You know, it's a guess. Is I think they went 247 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:57.000 up there and they their car got stuck. We know that. Where it 248 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:07.720 starts getting very confusing is why did five healthy young men athletes, why were 249 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.960 they not able to push that car out of the snow bank? From what 250 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.400 I remember is it was not severely stuck. It wasn't hanging over ravine, 251 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.599 There wasn't bottom bout. It just ran up into a snowbank, couldn't go 252 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.559 any further and then couldn't back out easy that four of them could have gotten 253 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:29.440 and pushed it out and turned around and gone back down the mountain. So, 254 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.880 you know, there's a lot of questions. You know, does the 255 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:38.920 diminished you know, mental capacity of these young men. Did it not allow 256 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.680 them to do logical linear thinking, you know and problem solving? You know? 257 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.279 Did they panic? I think the answer to that probably would be yes, 258 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:53.839 they probably panicked when they got stuck. Uh. I think at least 259 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.960 three of them set out from the vehicle. Now, how the one individual 260 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:07.000 got miles and miles and miles away into the cabin, possibly with a second 261 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.559 one of the group is beyond me. I don't know how that happened. 262 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.799 And of course the fifth one, if I recall, has never been found. 263 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:22.759 So you know Ockham's razor is they they got stuck. They didn't have 264 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:29.440 the problem solving skills to get unstuck. They panicked. And if I remember, 265 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.559 they there was a theory that one of the boys had a friend in 266 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.599 that area, and they think that they might have been driving up a road 267 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.480 to go see that friend and got lost, and they might have thought they 268 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.799 were very close to that individual's cabin and went out to find it instead of 269 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.880 always staying with the vehicle, which is a much better option. Ah. 270 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:56.920 Why you know they didn't contact the vehicle that was behind him, you know, 271 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.400 when it drove up, if I'm remembering the timeline correct. Ah. 272 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:07.200 And does their uh, their mental capacity really even come to play, you 273 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.640 know, or is it something more sinister? You know? Was it? 274 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.200 You know that I don't remember very detailed autopsies being done on the remains, 275 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.400 you know, I don't remember if anybody really looked at foul play. And 276 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.799 then you know, we can take that bold step. And I'm not saying 277 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.000 this is the reason, but you know, I've been doing this stuff long 278 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.880 enough to know that we've got to consider the X factor. You know, 279 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:40.440 did something truly remarkable and unexplainable happened to these young men that quite frankly, 280 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:44.960 we may never know, you know, did something like the diabolol pass you 281 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.799 know happened to them? You know, were their bodies scanned for you know, 282 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.039 radiation? You know what kind of injuries happened to the bodies? Now, 283 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.319 the remains, if I recall, were scattered by uh you know, 284 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:03.279 animal uh scavenging and predator. But you know, I just don't think that 285 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:10.279 a lot of effort was really put into finding out what happened, and unfortunately 286 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.920 that opportunity is long gone. Well it's interesting because, I mean, the 287 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:26.240 theory of the the the conspiracy stuff really starts with the gentleman being wrapped in 288 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.319 all the sheets and blankets at the cabin and having access to food, having 289 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:36.200 access to heaters, and then not using it. Now, the family explains 290 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:41.680 that he didn't eat the food, he didn't turn on the heater because he 291 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:47.599 felt that that would have been stealing from other people, and that wasn't what 292 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.039 he did. He wasn't going to eat food that wasn't his, he wasn't 293 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:56.200 going to use appliances and things that you know, wasn't his. I think 294 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:03.440 the really big question here is was the guy that was never found? I 295 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:11.640 think his name was Gary Dale Mathis? Was he even there? Did he 296 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.519 even make it up to the point did they even? Did they even? 297 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.240 Was he even? Did he even get up to the freaking mountain with them? 298 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.839 Right? That's the that's the whole thing, and that's the whole conundrum 299 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.079 of this thing, because I don't I really don't think that he did. 300 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.559 I don't think he made it that far. There's a theory that he was 301 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.759 he because they left the basketball game early. Apparently they got kicked out of 302 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:40.519 the basketball game for being unruly or getting into an argument or getting into a 303 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:45.519 fight with somebody else, So they left the basketball game early. And there's 304 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.920 a theory that on the bridge on the way up to the mountain, they 305 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:55.000 were confronted by another group of men or another group of boys, and that 306 00:24:55.079 --> 00:25:00.119 other group of men killed Mathis and throwed them off At the bridge. There 307 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.079 were so much fear surrounding the boys that they just went up the mountain. 308 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.960 You know, they didn't want to come back down because they're afraid that they 309 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.640 were going to get you know, also killed, So they went up there 310 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.839 and in fear. But I have an alternative theory. And this isn't anything 311 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.359 you know, bad about the families. This isn't me saying anything bad about 312 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:26.000 the families or tarnishing anybody's memory. But it may be possible because the boys 313 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.640 really didn't like this Mathis guy. They feared him. They thought that maybe 314 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.839 he was he was way, he was super aggressive. He was actually in 315 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:40.559 the military and he was being treated for He got a honorable it was either 316 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:45.960 honorable or a dishonorable discharge for anger issues and like flying off the wall and 317 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.880 stuff like that. He was on like medication, and they kind of didn't 318 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:55.240 really want him to be a part of the group. I think that it 319 00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:02.000 may be possible that something happened between this Mathos guy and the other four boys, 320 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:08.039 and the other four boys might have been might have had to act and 321 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:15.000 do something against him, right, and that's why he wasn't there. That's 322 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.119 why he didn't make it up to the mountain, and they went up there 323 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:25.240 in fear because what they had just done, they knew that it was kind 324 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.640 of you know, over for them, and they didn't want to, you 325 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.319 know, come down and face the consequences. I don't know, that's just 326 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.079 kind of my theory on it. Yeah, that's the theory. Now you're 327 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.400 you're you're tickling my gray sales. And I'm starting to remember more now. 328 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.559 Mathis had been discharged from the military, not because of you know, de 329 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:48.440 mintous diminished mental capacity, but rather for severe psychological issues. And he was 330 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:53.000 medicated, and he was a very ill fit for that group, and he 331 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:02.079 you know, kind of became the de facto leader just through force of will, 332 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.400 you know, because he was smarter than the other guys. You know, 333 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.440 he was able to solve problems, he was able to think, but 334 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.519 he was horribly unstable, especially when he was not taking his medication. And 335 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.960 the only reason these boys knew knew him was because they all played on the 336 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.480 same basketball team, you know, in the in the league. Had mentioned 337 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:26.880 earlier, and you know, I always wondered, did did Mathis have something 338 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.079 to do with the boys? And he set off on his own, you 339 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.319 know, to get away from you know what he had just done. But 340 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.799 then again that doesn't doesn't really fit the pattern though, because you know, 341 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.039 their bodies were so widely dispersed. You know, if you're going to you 342 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:48.480 know, kill somebody, you know, maybe one or two gets away, 343 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.359 but you know, everybody scatters. You know, maybe they were scared of 344 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:56.079 him and they all went and uh, you know died later from exposure or 345 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.640 starvation or whatever. So I don't think that there was, you know, 346 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:06.519 a thorough investigation. I never heard where the police really interviewed, you know, 347 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.519 the families using that particular you know, did everybody get along? Did 348 00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.759 you ever hear you know, did did you know one of the individuals ever 349 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.240 threaten somebody else? Did he ever threaten the group? You know, did 350 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.319 anybody hear anything? I think it was just like, you know, these 351 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.359 these men went up into the woods, you know, you know, they 352 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.720 weren't the productive citizens. You know that, you know, we'd like to 353 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.880 see back in the seventies, you know, the society you know, value 354 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.880 back then. And it's like, well, you know, too bad, 355 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.759 you know, we'll move on to something else. And I think there's something 356 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.039 else that's really interesting, just going off of all this from memory, But 357 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:59.640 I ncent sure that the school that they went to had like Monarch in the 358 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.279 tide of the school if I'm not mistaken, like and then you think, 359 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:10.720 oh well Monarch mk Ultra mind Control. I do not recall the name of 360 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.680 the school, but that doesn't mean that's not the case. I just I 361 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.559 just don't recall. I could be mistaken, I could be wrong. I 362 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.920 don't have to refresh my memory on it, but I think you had something 363 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:27.519 has some kind of the title Monarch in it Monarch's School for I don't know, 364 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.400 let me try and look it up. But this is a very interesting 365 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:40.079 case for people that aren't aware of it. And there's recently a episode of 366 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:47.599 a documentary that came out on Netflix that has an episode that investigates this case 367 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.559 as well. Oh okay, definitely, yeah. I'm glad to see that 368 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:52.920 it's starting to get a little more interest now. You know, it was 369 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.559 kind of pushed back in the and the annals of history, and nobody really 370 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:02.200 thought about it until I think some of the strange disappearances, you know in 371 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.079 America's forest lands started being looked at, started to be looked at, you 372 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:08.680 know, a little bit more in depth. And I think the Yuba County 373 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.720 five has popped back up on the radar. Like I said before, I 374 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.160 kind of got turned onto it. Uh, you know, I picked it 375 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:19.000 up somewhere in research and found a really good podcast, you know, like 376 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.359 you know, a multi episode podcast that was excellent, and I will definitely 377 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:29.160 check out that episode. Uh. And you know, maybe now the Internet 378 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.200 Solutions, you know, will be energized and can start pulling some of this 379 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.240 old data if it still exists, and hopefully come up with a solution or 380 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:44.519 at least a really solid workable theory. There is a Monarch school, education 381 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:56.119 Opportunity and transformation, but I am I'm pretty sure the Monarch was the title 382 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:03.880 of the mentally it was like Monarch School for mentally challenged students in Yuba City 383 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:10.279 or something, but I'm not finding it on the Wikipedia page for the Yuba 384 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:17.319 County five. It doesn't really talk a lot about their upbringing or a lot 385 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.200 of what they were doing. But I found that interesting and I'm pretty sure 386 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.720 that that is the case. But I have to get back to people on 387 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:30.720 that. So there's a lot of things that I've noticed with a lot of 388 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:37.440 these strange cases and these strange disappearances. One is the police pretty much botching 389 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:45.400 the investigation. Two is another like there's always a weather event. Three it 390 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.559 seems like, especially when it comes to a lot of the children that has 391 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:59.839 gone missing in national parks and forestry areas, have some sort of mental disability. 392 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.319 It's it's really strange. Yeah, you know. And one can you 393 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.079 know you easily say, well, you know, these these folks got confused 394 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.480 or they got lost, and you know, they didn't think through the problem 395 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.240 and just made it worse by you know, running off in a direction perhaps 396 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:21.559 away from rescuers, not staying put, you know, being scared, you 397 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.799 know, not you know, reaching out to rescuers when they hear them. 398 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.079 But you know, there's always you know, these odd outliers, you know, 399 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:36.079 these very strange you know, things that just don't fit. You know. 400 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.519 I'm thinking about the famous case and I can't remember the young young boy's 401 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:46.039 name right now in the Smoky mountains where you know, he became lost and 402 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:51.079 and then the army came in, which you know, the US military just 403 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:55.000 doesn't do missing persons cases. That's that's not in their charter. But you 404 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.559 know, the US military, and especially some special Forces units came in to 405 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.039 look for him. So you know, you have to wonder, and you 406 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.599 know, I'm not going to get all you know, conspiracy now, but 407 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:13.759 you have to wonder if certain areas aren't known to be uh you know, 408 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.440 vortexas and I mean vortex in a way that it just people just just disappear, 409 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.200 you know, they're just gone. And when somebody goes missing in these 410 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.880 particular areas, uh, it takes uh, it takes a bit of interest, 411 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.160 generates a bit of interest from you know, all the various authorities starting 412 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.920 from local all the way up to federal. But you know, in the 413 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.559 Yuba County case, it just doesn't didn't seem to be the case at all. 414 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.640 It's almost you know, like you and I talked about before, it 415 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.279 just there wasn't a lot of effort there. So you know, I'm hoping 416 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.240 that, you know, maybe now that this case is getting more and more 417 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.680 interest, that uh, you know, maybe some really exciting you know, 418 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.920 new data or evidence will pop up or maybe even some new theories and hopefully, 419 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.319 you know, an answer. I can't find the school, but I 420 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:07.279 found that the basketball team was named the Gateway, the Gateway Gators, which 421 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:14.480 is another interesting term. You at the Gateway project by Robert Monroe. Right, 422 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.639 Yeah, so I went to Contact in the Desert. Not to switch 423 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.760 topics. We can always come back to this, but I went to Contact 424 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:30.719 in the Desert this year and I met a few of your team members from 425 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:40.920 the Meadow and listening to a lot of people's the presentations, it's interesting because 426 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:47.119 it seems like the narrative of uphology is kind of shifting. It's turning into 427 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:55.920 AI driven topics. It is turning into usos, is turning into cryptoterrestrials. 428 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.199 I mean, we just had that. I don't know if you've read that 429 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:05.280 article that came out by the Harvard Scientist that says that more than likely it's 430 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.840 you know, cryptoterrestrial, that it's entities for an advanced civilization that's always been 431 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:17.400 here. And I thought it was interesting all of the different kind of AI 432 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.719 talk and the different kind of AI speculations. A lot of people were speculating 433 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:32.480 that maybe the extra trestial phenomenon is an AI artificial intelligence. Have you thought 434 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.000 about that at all? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. You know, let's 435 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.800 say, you know, here we are in twenty twenty four and let's jump 436 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:47.800 forward fifty years. Okay, I think it's a reasonable assumption that AI might 437 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:52.159 not be sentient, but it will be extremely advanced. You know, in 438 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:57.000 the next fifty years, I think that's you know, in twenty seventy five 439 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.920 or twenty seventy four, I think that's you know, that that's a given 440 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.719 as our technology and science increases exponentially. So here we are fifty years into 441 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:15.719 the future, and we have the capability to send craft out or probes to 442 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:25.000 various worlds for exploration. How would we design a probe. Well, we 443 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.880 wouldn't want that probe to have to continuously receive instructions from Earth. We would 444 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.480 want it to be able to solve problems on its own. Hence it would 445 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:39.320 most likely be AI power. It would have an artificial intelligence, maybe even 446 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:46.280 quasi or totally sentient that could solve problems. So we would send that probe 447 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:54.280 out if we wanted to look at it from a from the aspect of a 448 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:02.800 stellar anthropologist, okay, or exo anthropology, we would try to make the 449 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:12.079 probes or certain parts of that probe look as similar as they could to the 450 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:20.239 life form on the planet. Think about when zoologists will try to lead a 451 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.119 flock of geese to another reason, they'll create an ultra light that looks like 452 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:30.760 a goose or you know, they will create, you know, other stuff 453 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:37.199 to mimic the species in which they're studying. So if I had the capability 454 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.320 of making you know, robots or synthetics with an AI aspect to it that 455 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.519 looked very similar to the species that I'm studying, I would send them out 456 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:53.119 among the species, gathering data, interacting, learning how to communicate. And 457 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:58.920 at the beginning that communication would be very strange. Now where have we heard 458 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:08.920 instances of very odd looking humanoid beings that seem to take place in around UFO 459 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:15.480 sightings that look odd and their communication is very very awkward, you know, 460 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:22.519 very you know, stunted. What do we call those? We call those 461 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.360 men in black. And as you know, the AI learns how to communicate, 462 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.800 learns the unique nuances of the civilization that they're studying, it will be 463 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.320 able to communicate better and more importantly, in a more fluid and natural manner. 464 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.400 That's how I would do it, you know, if I was fifty 465 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.800 seventy five years in the future and have that technology. So is it reasonable 466 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:54.559 to assume that either a extraterrestrial IE existing in this three dimensional universe? There 467 00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:01.719 exists a technology and a civilization that might be studying us, or is it 468 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.800 possible that there's an extra dimensional civilization and intelligence that has brought their probes down 469 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:14.719 into our dimension, into the third dimension, to likewise study us and perhaps 470 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:21.199 communicate with us and eventually get to a point of open and honest two way 471 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.280 communications. So, you know, when you start looking at it from you 472 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.119 know, that perspective, you know, maybe from you know, the perspective 473 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:31.559 of an anthropologist, you know, or a sociologist, you know, from 474 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:37.199 the exofield exosociology, exo anthropology, it makes sense, you know that that's 475 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.920 how you would approach this particular conundrum would be with artificial life forms that, 476 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:50.960 you know, using our technology our understanding of what life is might be indistinguishable 477 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:57.000 from actual living beings, but in fact they're artificial and they operate off of 478 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.360 an extremely advanced quantum AI. Yeah, then that brings in the question too. 479 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:08.880 It's like, well, if there are humanoid types of cyborgs and that's 480 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:20.559 the direction that we're kind of being pushed into, is this androgynous human AI 481 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:27.440 cyborg type of reality, then you get into the question of morality and ethics, 482 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:35.079 right, you know, what are these humanoid robots considered? Are they 483 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.679 considered human? And then you get into well what does it what does it 484 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:47.760 mean to be a human Because this skin suit could technically be a cyborg, 485 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.599 an organic cyborg, right, we could already be organic cyborg. So just 486 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:59.599 because the shell is different doesn't mean that the consciousness is different. If you 487 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:07.199 could put a human consciousness inside of a completely created cyborg, would you still 488 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.159 not be considered human? Well, that's a great question. I'm a I'm 489 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.199 a big fan of you know, science fiction literature. You know, one 490 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.880 of my favorite authors, of course is Frank Herbert, who wrote the Dune 491 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.000 series and then his son, uh, you know, continued the series. 492 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.360 And in the pre Dune books there are a race of beings called Cymes, 493 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.480 and basically it's humans that decided to have their their brains encased in giant, 494 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.760 giant mechanical bodies. And in the series they're very much considered human now, 495 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.599 albeit with mechanical bodies, but they still had the same wants, desires, 496 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.599 you know, goodness and evilness of human beings. And you hit an interesting 497 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:51.320 point, it's what is human? You know, and uh, the the 498 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.840 ethics of robotics, you know, goes all the way back to you know, 499 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.760 really when it started to become looked at and you know kind of a 500 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.719 you know, cheesy way, you know, Isaac Gasmanov, you know, 501 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.639 wrote the Robot trilogy. You know, what do we do? You know, 502 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:13.400 are these creatures you know, worthy of you know rights, albeit not 503 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.519 human rights, but do they have rights? How should we treat them? 504 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:21.920 Where do they fit into our society? And do they have the you know, 505 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:29.639 in aim, god given right to exist and have self determination? So, 506 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.199 you know, AI, I'm kind of on a see saw some some 507 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:37.320 days I'm kind of excited about it because I think it will make certain aspects 508 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.559 of day to day life a lot easier then other times. You know, 509 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.360 I kind of, you know, get into the gloom and doom you know 510 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.360 of you know, apocalyptic sci fi. You know, like with sky Net, 511 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:59.960 I get kind of worried about it because the human intellect reaches a point 512 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.400 critical saturation. You know, a human can being can only be so smart, 513 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:15.760 not AI. AI can quickly surpass our intellect and if that mechanical soon 514 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:23.280 to be quantum intellect operating off of quantum computers gets to the point of parody 515 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:30.360 with human intellect and then surpasses it. Then human beings become inferior. You 516 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.159 know, it's almost like when Western scientists go into a very primitive tribe, 517 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.239 the way that they look at them as inferior. You know, back in 518 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:44.079 the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, you know, will AI look at 519 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:50.920 us as inferior, and so well, AI took take an a a custodial 520 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.920 perspective, you know, these poor creatures, these human beings, you know, 521 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.079 which can you know, on a really really exception day can crank out 522 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.400 somebody with an IQ of about two hundred. I need to take care of 523 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.400 them? Or are they a threat? My god? Look at what they've 524 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:16.079 done to the planet, and they need to be either eradicated drastically or eliminated 525 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.360 through attrition, through mass sterilization, manipulation of our food and water sources where 526 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.280 we can no longer produce, where we eventually die out. And then they 527 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:31.639 become the AI becomes the new human, They become the earthlings and human beings 528 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:36.199 Homo sapien sapiens are no longer in the picture. So you know, I 529 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.840 kind of you know, seesaw back and forth on that. You know, 530 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.199 I'd love to have something that could figure out when it's time to you know, 531 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.199 clean my house and do it for me and you know, mow my 532 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.119 yards. I don't have to mess with it. But you know, what's 533 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.960 the trade off? What's the cost? And then you think, well, 534 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.960 what would be the benefit in doing that? What would be the benefit for 535 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:01.480 the robots and the cyborgs to take over the entire or planet? Like, 536 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:08.480 it doesn't really make too much sense when you think of it, like logically, 537 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:14.639 like what would be the motivation to do that? And of course there's 538 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.079 theories and people say, oh, well, they want to they want to 539 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:22.559 take over the world because that's just they see humans as unfit uh custodians of 540 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.159 the planet and they want to you know, wipe us out. But then 541 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.719 if you get back to the real original source of this, what is the 542 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:38.119 real reason that we would want to create these human cyborgs in the first place? 543 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:47.719 And I think possibly it was first created for intelligence purposes and I on, 544 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.320 you can disagree, you can combat me however you want to combat me. 545 00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:00.039 But I think that they have had some form of human cybernetic robots, 546 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.960 robots that look almost identical to humans for a very long time, and they've 547 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:10.880 used those as spies and military assets and to collect information and collect data. 548 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:19.199 I mean, that's what an AI robot would really do. And then now 549 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.639 they're getting to the point where it's kind of an open source thing, where 550 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.760 it's going to be, you know, kind of everywhere. It was a 551 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.960 dual, dual purpose, one for the military, one for the public. 552 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.079 And whenever you look at the public side of it, what would be the 553 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.199 thing that would be important for these things? Right? It would be for 554 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.800 immortality. It's like what we were talking about with, you know, being 555 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:50.599 able to transplant your brain into another shell, another human and then you'd be 556 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.480 able to live forever. And that's kind of been a common trope through back 557 00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.480 through you know a lot of these ancient Sumerian cultures there were apparently able to 558 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:06.280 do this organically. They were able to just kind of transfer their consciousness into 559 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:14.960 another human being shell. And then it gets into well, extraterrestrials really do 560 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:20.599 exist. Maybe they can't travel here, maybe they can only consciously travel here. 561 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:30.039 So maybe we create these cyborgs or some sort of cloned artificial intelligence skin 562 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.800 suit, and then they transfer their consciousness from another planet onto our planet and 563 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:39.519 that gives them the ability to walk around exactly. And that's that's no different 564 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:45.599 than starting off with a very crude, scientific piece of equipment called a waldo, 565 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:52.800 which was used in very hazardous like research with radiation where you've probably seen 566 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.760 them in movies where they have the poles that come down they put their hands 567 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.280 in it, and then the poles come down behind the clean room and pick 568 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.519 things up, called a walda, and that is a way of taking the 569 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:10.360 human tactile sensation transferring it through machinery into tactile movements on the other side of 570 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:16.440 the leaded glass to move you isotopes and things like that. Now we're getting 571 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:23.119 into you know, very very advanced gaming. Okay, that's you know, 572 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:28.440 something that we're seeing a lot of. The next step is actual haptic suits 573 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.960 that you put on where it mimics you know that the human you know, 574 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.760 experience of being in an artificial situation. So yes, you know, human 575 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:44.519 beings in this meat suit, we're fragile, and it's it's a logical assumption 576 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:50.400 that other beings likewise are fragile and they cannot take you know, near light 577 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.840 speed or relativistic speeds of travel through the universe. They you know, they 578 00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.320 can't take extreme changes in heat, are cold, they might not be able 579 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.639 to breathe their atmosphere. So projecting the consciousness, and I'm going to look 580 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.880 at it from a human perspective, projecting the human consciousness through technology onto a 581 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:16.039 h an alien world or an alien civilization or whatever makes sense. So you 582 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.159 turned the page, look at the other side of the coin. Why would 583 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.719 that not be logical for another uh, you know race or you know, 584 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.280 group of sentient intelligent beings with that technology. It's you know, it makes 585 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:34.239 perfect sense. You know. The uh you know, the Mars Rover really 586 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:39.800 is nothing more than a way of projecting the human experience onto another planet using 587 00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.039 the video, using the robotic arms you know. Uh. Now this it's 588 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.760 not powered by AI, but we're able to take our human intelligence, project 589 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.559 it out to that piece of equipment by uh our radio control, you know, 590 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:59.199 by communications with it, making it do our will we remain safely here 591 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.239 on Earth. So it's you know, it's not far fetched at all. 592 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:07.039 Yeah, I really don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility. 593 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.760 I mean, they already kind of showed this in a episode of the Newest 594 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:17.719 season of Black Mirror with Paul, the guy from Breaking Bad, not Brian 595 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:23.599 Cranston, but the other guy, Paul. I can't think of his name 596 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.000 right now. His first name is Paul, but anyway, he was in 597 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.920 an episode of the newest season of Black Mirror where him and one other person 598 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.960 was basically on a one way trip to another planet, like they weren't coming 599 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:45.480 back, but in order to also be here, they had a cybernetic human 600 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.360 AI skin suit that looked exactly like him, and whenever they would sleep on 601 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:57.159 the ship, they would come back here and their consciousness would be inside of 602 00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.599 the cyborg robot and they would be able to take care of their family and 603 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:06.320 do everything while Yeah, I mean you know the movie, uh you know 604 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:12.280 Avatar, you know, where people were able to go into a suspended state 605 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.639 and then control their avatars and you walk around on a I can't remember the 606 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.800 name of the planet, but uh, you know, and and fight the 607 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.840 evil capitalist and all of that. Uh, you know, it's kind of 608 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.960 the same thing. Uh, And I you know, I kind of wonder 609 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.719 you are we close to that? You know? And then what are the 610 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.360 societal benefits of that? And I think about, you know, as I 611 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:42.400 get older. Uh is you know, am I going to be physically incapacitated 612 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:51.519 and will be lonely? You know, would a cybernetic companion help ease my 613 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.519 uh you know, my psyche in the later years. And so I see 614 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.559 the potential for a lot of good, you know, and a lot of 615 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.599 lonely depressed people having the companionship that maybe they've longed for their whole lives, 616 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:12.239 you know, coming from an artificial intelligence, you know, and an artificial 617 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.039 being you know, a robot or synthetic or whatever. So you know, 618 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.039 it's it's it's one of those double edged swords that you know. It contains 619 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.679 the possibility for very, very great and wonderful things, and it also contains 620 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:31.639 a possibility for great evil, much like you know when you know vision you 621 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.000 know, was first discovered, you know, at the University of Chicago, 622 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.679 you know, with the Chicago Pile and nuclear power was discovered, and it 623 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.000 was discovered that it could be controlled. You know, it could be used 624 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.199 for you know, much good like nuclear power treating cancer, things like that, 625 00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.320 or it could be used to destroy hundreds of thousand people's people in a 626 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:58.119 blinding flash. So you know, the future, as it always has is 627 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:04.000 right there before us, and we route we decide to take. Is anybody's 628 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.679 guess. Yeah, I think people are starting to get more more and more 629 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.000 worried about it. And like I was talking about recently, it's like, 630 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:21.280 well, what happens when? Because right now, the AI is kind of 631 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.719 not so advanced. I mean, it's an advance and it's texting capacity like 632 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:31.559 if you're using like chat, GBT or whatever like that, but it's not 633 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:43.800 the public really doesn't have the ability yet to create solid videos and solid AI 634 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.199 generated images. I mean some people can because some people have access to the 635 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:52.920 programs that do that, but the general public really doesn't yet. You have 636 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:59.840 to kind of prompt it. Now, what happens whenever AI is essentially able 637 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:05.920 to to create a bunch of different social media profiles on its own, right 638 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:12.599 then well, but then what happens if it can then create artificial pictures, 639 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:17.800 artificial videos and just post them without any prompts, without any human interaction, 640 00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:27.880 without having to tallet make me a photo of you know, a rabbit and 641 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.280 a hat in space. You know what happens when it just automatically does it, 642 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.840 and it's automatically able to post wherever whenever and however at all times. 643 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:42.800 And that gets to an interesting point, and let me backtrack a little bit. 644 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.400 You know, you talk about chat GBT, you know, and it's 645 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:52.519 limitations is we don't know what is on the other side of the air gap 646 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:58.719 on the servers in DARPA. From the AI perspective, we don't know what 647 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.199 they have that's air gap from the rest of the world on their systems. 648 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:09.280 It's probably mind blowing, I would imagine, because they're looking at AI as 649 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:15.119 a defensive tool that you can send out these swarm bots that can think independently 650 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.280 and we don't need pilots, we don't need tank drivers, we don't need 651 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:22.840 gunners. So you know that that puts it in a different perspective. But 652 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:28.760 you know, like you're talking about is how do we learn our set to 653 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:36.760 morals as human beings? You know, there's one theory that morals that you 654 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.559 know, a creator gives us a set of morals that we intrinsically know what's 655 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:47.320 good and bad. That's one theory. The other theory is that it comes 656 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.800 from our environment and as how we grow up and how the moral influences of 657 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.880 those around us in the society in which we you know, we grow up 658 00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:01.159 in imprints on us, a moral set of code. So now you have 659 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.480 AI, and you know, I'm not going to get political here, but 660 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.239 I'm thinking about the election that's coming up in November. There are people with 661 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.599 very strong opinions on both sides. There are people that think Candidate A is 662 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.920 great, Candidate B is evil. Then you switch in and you've got people 663 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.519 that think canadate B is great and Candidate A is evil. Why do they 664 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:28.079 think that? You know? Why? You know, where does that come 665 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.480 from? Probably from their upbringing and the type of people they surround themselves in 666 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:38.079 the society in which they live. So you have an AI of incredible intelligence 667 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:47.760 and almost infinite resources that takes the determination that Candidate X is evil and anything 668 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:52.960 and everything that can be done to stop this candidate from getting elected needs to 669 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:57.159 be done. And then, like you talked about, it start generating the 670 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.159 deep fakes. It starts setting up multiple social media accounts, it starts, 671 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:07.480 you know, learning how to do information warfare and psyops, and it actually 672 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:14.000 manipulates us into doing whatever it wants based on its own moral compass, which 673 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.199 may or may not align with the moral compass of human beings. I find 674 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.960 that horrifying, you know, as a human being with free will. And 675 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.320 I don't think we're too far from that. I think it's you know, 676 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.440 we're right on the cusp of that. And you know, now we have 677 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.679 state actors, you know, manipulating AI to generate you know, body accounts, 678 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.599 you know, and try to manipulate elections, and you generate deep fakes 679 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.840 and you know all of this stuff. But what if the genie ever gets 680 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.880 out of the bottle and the AI decides to start doing that on its own, 681 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:49.559 who controls you know, who's the master? Then? You know, 682 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.280 once the genies out of the bottle, is the wizard the master or is 683 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:59.320 the genie? Yes? And I think that that we're headed into that direction 684 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.880 rapidly, very quickly. And I think that's a lot of people's fear, 685 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:08.159 and that's how it starts. I mean, we've we all know about bots 686 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:15.400 and like bought farms and it's always continuously blamed on Russia and Russia bought farms 687 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.280 and like all that. Well that's just AI. Do you really think that 688 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.000 some like a group of people are taking the time to make thousands and thousands 689 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.760 and thousands of social media accounts. No, they don't. They just put 690 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.039 it into an AI system. AI system creates all the accounts for them. 691 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.119 Yeah, and they magically have the same outlook on Well, I'm sure they 692 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:40.159 create the chaos. They take half of them to create and to you know, 693 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:44.280 exacerbate the right, and then the other half of them to create and 694 00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:47.360 exacerbate the left. That's really what you want, is to create chaos and 695 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:52.920 confusion. Yeah, yeah, that's actually that's a tactic from the Cold War. 696 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.880 It was developed by you know, some of the CIA funded what they 697 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.559 called stay behind armies, which were injected into the Intelligent services of various NATO 698 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:08.840 countries. Is back during the seventies and eighties, the Italian Intelligent Services created 699 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:17.000 a nucleus of operatives that would do false flag attacks against the Italian government and 700 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:23.360 blame it on the Red Brigade, you know, the Brigade russ And they 701 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:29.480 were doing what they called a strategy of tension. And the idea was that 702 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:35.280 they created tension in a society by these false flag terrorist attacks. People were 703 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:40.639 on edge and they could manipulate that fear and to making sure that the Italian 704 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.719 population was always pro West and not pro communists. You know, not pro 705 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.559 Soviet, and they did that by creating strife, tension, confusion, fear, 706 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.840 anger, and resentment. Okay, so turn the page. You know, 707 00:59:54.920 --> 01:00:00.440 we're not quite doing that now, you know with uh, you know, 708 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.320 terrorist attacks. But are we being manipulated as a culture, you know, 709 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:10.559 to generate that same feeling of dread, fear, anxiety, resentment, 710 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:17.480 hate, anger to meet the ends of us some other force that is trying 711 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:22.519 to guide us in our way of thinking, to affect the outcome of the 712 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.079 elections. You know, that's little that's little things. Is it trying to 713 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.519 guide us to a much bigger you know goal? Uh? You know, 714 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:36.519 as our culture, in our society, do you think that a utopian society 715 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.599 is possible? Yeah, it's called it. It's called heaven. No, 716 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:43.320 you know here on earth? No? I you know, I don't know. 717 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:51.320 Uh. I think that you can have a group of people, ah 718 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.559 that have a common goal and if they can be left alone, I think 719 01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:00.719 that they can create maybe not a total utopia, but something very similar. 720 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:05.679 You know, there are people in small towns all over the world that live 721 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:10.280 in relative obscurity, that only interact with the greater society when they need to 722 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.480 have their basic needs met, you know, when they need to go pay 723 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.840 their water bill or need to go to the grocery store and buy you know, 724 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:22.360 corny macob or you know can of cornby Pash or whatever. And it's 725 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:29.119 very much an existential thing, is you know, as these communities you decide 726 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.199 to find happiness within themselves. Don't let other people to find what happiness is. 727 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:37.599 Happiness is only if this candidate wins. Their happiness is only if you 728 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.800 have this world view. It's all within, you know. And since I've 729 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.519 retired and I've been able to kind of disconnect from some of that stuff. 730 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.480 You know, part of my job involved, you know, always monitoring you 731 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.280 know, international news and watching these things. And now that I've kind of 732 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:58.280 disconnected, I find myself a lot happier. So utopia is what you make 733 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:00.480 of it. You know, the utopia is in you. It doesn't come 734 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:05.880 from the outside. And you know, in my simple life, you know, 735 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.159 probably the biggest thing today besides being on your show is I had a 736 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.079 Paddy Milt from water Burger, you know, and I took great joy in 737 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.559 that because that makes me happy. And that's something that I find the simple 738 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.599 things. It's the very simple things you know, and you don't realize that 739 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:30.679 simple things contain such huge, you know, nuggets of joy that are disproportionate 740 01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:34.960 to its size until they've been taken away, until you've been somewhere where you 741 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.639 don't have freedom of choice, where you're somewhere where you don't have the freedom 742 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:44.800 of privacy, you don't have relative safety, you don't have the sense of 743 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.719 self determination. And when you get those things back, it's like you found 744 01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:54.800 a gold mine. To me, it almost seems like that even if everything 745 01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.360 were to be solved. This isn't me being cynical. I'm just looking at 746 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.519 it with you know, critical thinking, in common sense. Even if everything 747 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.400 were to be solved, let's say we solved starvation, we solved the endless 748 01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:15.400 war problem, we solved homelessness, everyone was taken care of. Someone's going 749 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:22.639 to get bored, someone's going to create chaos, someone's going to do something 750 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:29.119 stupid, Someone's going to screw it up for everyone. Yeah, that's just 751 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.519 that's just humans being humans. And the Golden Age doesn't last forever. I 752 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.519 mean, if it does, and you're always going to have miscreants, you 753 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:43.480 know, that's and you know, human beings have evil. You know in 754 01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:49.400 them and selfishness. Uh. And you know, it's always been a big 755 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:54.320 question what do we do with these people? Ah. My belief is they 756 01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:00.599 should be removed from society if they cannot live in society and respect the rights, 757 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.400 you know, well beings of others, and they need to be removed 758 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.880 from society. I am you know, I'm not pro death penalty, but 759 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:11.840 they need to be put somewhere where they can't damage society. Uh. And 760 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:15.719 be that a prison, you know, you know, a colony or whatever. 761 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.199 Uh. You know, that's a choice they make. And I think, 762 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.119 you know, like I said, I think we all know what's right 763 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:29.599 and wrong unless you're seriously mental mentally ill, and then those people are ill 764 01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:32.480 and should be treated medically. But you know, if you decide to take 765 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:36.199 the dark path, then you should be removed from the people that are seeking 766 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:43.559 the path of light. And uh, you know everybody you know kind of 767 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.440 would understand that. And I think, you know, quick decisive action, 768 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.519 uh, you know, to you know, to this this this ends, 769 01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:55.800 I think we would be beneficial. Uh. I think part of the problem 770 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.480 we have right now is we don't know what to do with you know, 771 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.920 miscreen you know, we're confused on perhaps what's the right course of action, 772 01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:05.960 you know, and there's a lot of different opinions on that, you know, 773 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.400 incarceration, you know, rehabilitation, you know, et cetera, et 774 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.679 cetera, and uh, you know that utopia you know, you know doesn't 775 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:17.800 exist without a little darkness, you know, and that's something that everybody has 776 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:23.079 to come to a consensus on how to how to deal with it. What 777 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:27.880 I've seen and I can look back on, you know, my life, 778 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:34.480 our problems always seem to change based upon our environment. See a lot of 779 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.639 people think, well, if I just have all the money in the world, 780 01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.559 then my problems are going to go away. And know, your problems 781 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:41.519 aren't going to go away. It's just going to be a new set of 782 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:45.880 problems, a different set of problems. So even if we were to get 783 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:50.079 this utopian society and this everything is perfect, everyone has cared for, everyone 784 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:55.880 is treated the way that they should be, somebody is going to find something 785 01:05:56.119 --> 01:06:00.840 wrong with something. I've seen this happen, you know several times. I've 786 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:06.719 you know, people that had really big problems. They solve those problems, 787 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:11.480 They solve those issues. Let's just take this for an example, like a 788 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:16.199 homeless person finally gets a home. He's like, okay, great, I 789 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.159 got a roof over my head. Everything's great. Well, it's only great 790 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:23.519 for a certain period of time because you were used to not having a home, 791 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.760 and eventually it's going to be, oh, well, I don't like 792 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:31.960 my roommates. My roommates are really annoying me. Well, just a year 793 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:36.920 ago, you were grateful to have a home, you know, you know, 794 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:40.840 you get what I'm saying here, like, yes, yeah, there's 795 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.559 You create the big problems, turn in the smaller problems, but you turn 796 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.159 the smaller problems into greater problems because those are the only problems that you can 797 01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.519 focus on. Yeah, those are the only problems that you have. And 798 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.599 you know, the you know, my opinion, the antidote to that is 799 01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:02.559 communications and love. You know, is you talk to people that you value 800 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.639 and respect and say, hey, you know, I've got this feeling of 801 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:12.760 resentment, you know, and it's just where it's really you know, impacting 802 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.400 you know, me living the happiest life I can be. What do you 803 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:24.079 think? And sometimes you know, having a either a mentor or a confidant 804 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:30.199 is a huge advantage. And I always tell people you know that are running 805 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.840 through bumps in life. You know, look at somebody whose life seems to 806 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:38.840 be put together. Now, when you peel it back, you're going to 807 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.920 find out they have problems. But if they've made a lifetime of good decisions, 808 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:47.079 you know, be it financially, interpersonally, you know, with vocationally, 809 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:51.119 et cetera. And you come to a crossroad in your own life, 810 01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.679 and maybe you have a history of not making good decisions, go to that 811 01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:00.480 person and say, hey, I've got a chance to take a new job. 812 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.880 I have a choice of going on Route A or Route B. What 813 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:10.360 do you think? And usually people that have made a lifetime of positive decisions 814 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.280 will point you in the right direction. Now, the trick is being able 815 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.920 to swallow your own pride, in your own ego and say, wow, 816 01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.520 you know that sounds like a really good idea. I will take your advice. 817 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:24.960 And it's that communication, and that communication being done with love and respect, 818 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.600 I think solves a lot of you know, a lot of problems. 819 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:32.239 Most of the problems that we have, if you trace it down to the 820 01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:39.560 root calls it's communication. We don't do a very good job of communicating, 821 01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:43.680 and we don't communicate from a good place. We communicate from a place of 822 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.039 greed or resentment, and I'm just as guilty as everybody else, okay, 823 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:55.239 you know, from that aspect is you know, I'm a prideful, greedy, 824 01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:00.159 self centered human being just like everybody else. But I try not to 825 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:02.239 be, you know. And I think if everybody just put a little tiny, 826 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:06.119 you know, little tiny sliver of effort into it, I think maybe 827 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:10.800 this utopia, you know, is within our graph. And it doesn't mean 828 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:14.119 everybody will have flying cars and you know, and Rosie the made from the 829 01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:17.439 Jetsons, but I think they'll be happy because, like I said, happiness 830 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.520 comes from within, not from without. Right. The best that we can 831 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:29.880 do is continue to be honorable in our actions and speak with integrity and do 832 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:34.760 things that you know, lead by example. It's just difficult when it seems 833 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:45.159 like most people feel that the top of the pyramid is ah is not that 834 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.960 you know, and then you have the trickle down effect onto every aspect of 835 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:57.520 our everyday reality. So if the top of the pyramid isn't being forthcoming with 836 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:02.800 information, if they're corrupt at the top up, which many people believe that 837 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:10.600 they are, then that corruptness trickles down into every other sector of society, 838 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.920 like for example, like the the the police, right, and then of 839 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:24.119 course the police is low down on the pyramid, right. But people inadvertently 840 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:31.000 lie to the police because the police trick them into confessing, right, And 841 01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:35.479 they think, oh well, if I tell them the truth, then they 842 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:41.239 they're going to lock me up. And they do. Right. They say, 843 01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.880 oh well, i'll help you if you just tell me the truth, 844 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.319 I'll get you off of If you just be honest with me, then then 845 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:49.640 I'll help you out. But they don't. They never do, and that 846 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:58.680 increases this this idea to constantly lie and distrust, right. And it all 847 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:02.439 comes from like I said, that communication is and that the technique you call 848 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:05.920 it is an interview technique, call the read technique. People can look it 849 01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:10.479 up. And you know, we've all been told, you know, don't 850 01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.840 make a statement, you know, exercise your right of silence. And it's 851 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:21.960 it's manipulative communication. It's poor communications, it's evil communications to manipulate a person 852 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:27.199 into an outcome. It's not pure and good communication. So, like I 853 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.720 said, it all comes down to communications and the quality of that communication. 854 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:36.960 But there's a very interesting artic cloud read several years ago called the Saint Benedict 855 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:44.399 Solution, and it talks about the monk Saint Benedict who basically cut himself off 856 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:48.079 from society and said, you know what, I'm just going to live here 857 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.159 in my I can't remember if he lived in a cave or whatever, and 858 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:56.760 I'm just going to focus on being the best person I can now. Albeit, 859 01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:00.600 he was a Christian Catholic monk, so he was looking king at being 860 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.159 the best person through that perspective, through prayer, meditation and trying to do 861 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:08.119 good, you know, to the people that he did encounter. But he 862 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.479 just didn't worry about the stuff outside of him. And if you really think 863 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:19.199 about it, how much does that stuff really impact you? You know, 864 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:25.439 I am lucky enough that I have, you know, enough funds that come 865 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:28.199 in to meet my basic needs, you know, with that or my wife. 866 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.600 So if candidate A or B gets elected, how does that really affect 867 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:40.640 me? Really? How does it affect me? Down here at grassroots level? 868 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:45.399 And for probably eighty to eighty five, maybe even ninety percent of it, 869 01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:49.399 it doesn't only if I let it, Only if I let the aggravation 870 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:58.520 and the discontent get into my soul. And start driving me to decisions that 871 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.640 aren't necessarily my own. And that goes back to what I was talking about 872 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:08.079 information operations and psychological operation. It's manipulating the thought processes of a target or 873 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:13.079 a target audience, and don't be that target. And the only way you 874 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.279 can be that target is if you choose to, and if you choose not 875 01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:25.760 to, things look a whole lot better. Absolutely, I agree one hundred 876 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:30.039 percent, and thank you for coming on. Really appreciate your time this evening. 877 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.920 Always a wonderful conversation with you. And could you let people Are you 878 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:41.319 writing a new book? I am about ten chapters into it. Basically it's 879 01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:45.479 a continuation of our, uh you know, our experiences out at the Meadow. 880 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.520 So what I'm gonna do is look at some other high places of high 881 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.680 strangeness that have some similar things going on to it, and talk about our 882 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:57.319 expeditions and adventures and then get into maybe some revelations that, you know, 883 01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.600 some things that maybe people you know aren't aware of and had considered, uh 884 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.239 you know, from you know, the things that actually happened as you met 885 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.399 some of our team members at Contact in the desert, you know that are 886 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:10.760 helping us with that. So working on that. Got a new website up, 887 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:15.000 I Trey Hudson research dot com linked to my current book. So, 888 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:16.800 uh, you know, I'm just busy, busy, busy, you know. 889 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:20.159 I've got some other media projects, uh you know, in the works. 890 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:24.880 I just had a phone call from a producer while we were discussing this, 891 01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.720 So a lot going on, A lot going on. Are they finally 892 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.760 going to put together your your documentary with the footage from the meadow? Yes? 893 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:38.039 Yes, we hope to start filming in November. So I am working 894 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:41.399 with If I would give you a name, which I'm not going to publicly, 895 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.800 but uh, you know, you would recognize the name. And this 896 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:50.359 production company does very good documentaries. So I was actually talking to the executive 897 01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:55.199 producer while I was in uh I think I was actually at the airport in 898 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.640 Jordan last week. We were texting back and forth. So it was a 899 01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.039 lot of big things. So I hope that you know, some stuff comes 900 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:06.039 out that will you know, we're really uh you know, maybe at the 901 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:13.159 most it will enlighten people or at the very least will entertain them. Well, 902 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.279 I'm glad that finally got Maybe you've been you've been trying to do that 903 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:20.119 for a while now, so I'm excited to see that, and I'm excited 904 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.560 to actually show some of the footage and some of the things that you've captured 905 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:30.039 on the show after the documentary comes out, finally we'll be able to do 906 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:31.079 that. I've been wanting to do that for a long time now, but 907 01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:36.039 I understand why you're keeping the footage close to your vest because it is very 908 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:42.039 convincing evidence. It's probably some of the most convincing evidence that I've ever seen. 909 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.920 So I'm look forward to that documentary being come out, and I look 910 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.159 forward to your new book. Send me the link to your new website so 911 01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:54.279 that I can put it in the description of this video. I have the 912 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.279 Amazon link down there to buy your book that you have out right now, 913 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.880 So send me the the link to the website and I'll get that up. 914 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:08.199 Sure. Absolutely cool, everyone else, Thanks for watching, thanks for listening. 915 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.359 Appreciate everyone in the chat. Please be sure to hit the thumb up 916 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:14.159 button to help the channel on the algorithm. Sure subscribe, hit the bell 917 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.479 icon as well for notifications, and we will see you guys next time. 918 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:19.119 Tray stay with me, my friend