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The following present is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from

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around the world. It's time for
another edition of the Flat Earth Files.

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I hope this podcast finds you well. I hope you're having a little better

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whether than we are. We've got
snow Tuesday, another couple evnches coming tonight.

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The chickens are not pleased. The
chickens are not pleased, but we'll

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continue on. I hope everybody had
a great week. We have a very

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special guest standing by Liza, who
will be joining us in just a moment.

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is the flat Earth Files at gmail
dot com. Without any further ado,

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let's bring on our very special guest
for this evening. Joining us tonight is

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Liza. Eliza, how are you
doing tonight? I'm doing great, George.

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Thank you so much for letting me
have this opportunity to speak with you.

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For sure, and you have a
very special connection to the flat Earth

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community. I'll let you explain that
I do. I do. I am

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married to a flat earther, the
fittest flat Earther, as he likes to

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be known, and I yeah,
I mean that's my connection pretty much to

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the community is that I have been
fully engulfed and exposed to all that is

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truth and I am trying to find
my way through it as the spouse of

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someone who is new to the community. And of course that is Tyler who

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joined us. I forgot to pull
it up before we got started, but

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he joined us several months ago.
And of course most people who have seen

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flat Earth Banjo his work. Of
course, I think he does most of

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his stuff on TikTok, right,
he does. He's big on TikTok.

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He does have a following on Instagram
as well, but he's much bigger on

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TikTok. And again that is fittest
flatter. Yeah, there you go,

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Tyler, And I think it was
episode eighty five. I want to say,

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and I'll on bed that in the
in the show notes as well.

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So go ahead, introduce yourself to
the audience, and let's kind of start

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the journey of you know, your
husband, who you see go through this

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huge transition which so many people,
you know, we've actually even had people

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in the show before who have wrote
these kind of books how to get through

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these times because it is such an
emotional transition. You're not the same person

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when you enter this phase of truth, if you will, you're definitely not.

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So again, I am wiva,
married to the fittest flatter there.

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I'm forty four years old. My
husband and I've been together for over twenty

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five years, so since we were
babies, basically just out of high school,

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so we have been each other's first
love and only love for that entire

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time. So him finding his journey
to truth was very uprooting and very challenging,

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and I'm happy to say that we
are in a stronger place than we

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ever were before and that it is
possible to come through it together when one

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person is seeking so much truth and
another person like myself, is more resistant,

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And yeah, I really am here
just to share my experience as watching

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the challenges that he's gone through,
the challenges that I've faced with it,

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and hope that we're able to help
somebody else who maybe goes through this in

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the future, and maybe you two
down the road can kind of write a

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book, you know, a survivor's
God, a survivor's guide right to the

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truth, because it changes everything your
perception, how you watch movies, how

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you watch TV, and if you
would. By the way, I can't

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believe you've been married for twenty five
years. You look like you're thirty at

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the most. Well, I appreciate
that, but I will tell you that

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I was very lucky. My wife
was very receptive to the truth, and

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we've been together for twenty five years
and kind of similar on when we come

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out the other side of this truth, it was definitely stronger, and we

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also made some bold decisions that I
think we wouldn't have made before, and

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that includes homeschooling and things of that
nature, because when I went through the

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deep part of the truth dive,
not you know, everybody talks about the

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JFK and the moon landing like even
that the quote enormoist of normies, you

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know, will are willing to have
that type of conversation, but when you

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get into flat Earth and a lot
of these deeper things, it's a game

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changer. So I guess the first
question I should ask you is, you

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know, when he first started to
go through this, was it I'm trying

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to properly put this in the right
perspective, So I guess what was the

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one thing that happened to him that
made him like, oh my gosh,

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how we perceive reality is not as
it seems. Sure, So I think

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for him this has been something that
has been inside of him for many,

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many, many years that maybe just
didn't bubble to the surface as grandly as

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it did in the last year.
You know, he definitely questioned nine to

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eleven years ago, and it was
kind of a sensitive subject. As you

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can imagine, many people were affected
by that in one way or another.

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So the topic of questioning where all
that came from, who was behind it,

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and things like that people didn't really
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think for me, I was always
open to the idea that I don't know

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anything, and I'm okay with saying
I don't know anything, but I think

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that I'm sensitive to other people's reactions, and I was always kind of like,

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I respect what you think and what
you feel, but like, let's

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not maybe share that because people are
sensitive and I didn't want to send to

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others. But in the last let's
say a year and a half, our

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marriage was actually on some rocky ground. We had been through a lot in

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twenty five years, and we went
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took some time apart, and I
think during that time we had some really

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deep conversations which were good. And
one of the things he's always shared with

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me is that he felt like he
had this deeper purpose and he just hadn't

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found what that was for himself yet. So fast forward months later, we're

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back under the same roof navigating still
our relationship, seeing if things are going

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to pan out for our future.
And we have four dogs at the time,

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and then we lose one and then
our next one is on his way

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out the door, and Tyler is
the primary caregiver for this dog and has

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been for several years doing everything that
this dog could need and not do for

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himself. And I would say in
about April of last year, it was

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the last couple of months of life
for our dog, and Tyler really started

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to dive into like near death experiences, people who had come back from that,

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what their journey was like, and
we were starting to watch them together,

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and I was supportive in the beginning. I was like, this feels

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like he's trying to make sense of
everything. He's trying to come to terms.

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And I was like, I respect
that, and however, he has

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to get there. So we would
watch some of those things together. He'd

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watch someone on his own, and
then while I watched it all unfold in

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front of me, it still feels
like it almost happened over night, and

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like I missed something somewhere. But
he went from that on the rabbit hole

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with the pyramids and reptilians and all
sorts of different things, and then it

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was kind of like I didn't know
where to go from there. Right,

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this is like completely new territory for
me. And I wasn't sure what being

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a good wife meant at that point
and what was the right thing to do

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and what wasn't the right thing to
do. And that's kind of where the

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struggle began. Interesting And again a
couple of things to take away from that.

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You know, when we lose someone
close or you know, we add

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our bagel for twelve years and it's
devastating, and I think we all go

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through a bit of transition and self
searching and you know, exploring when we

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have those types of things. It
was the same for me when I lost

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my father five years ago. It's
you get into a very deep reflection and

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I guess there is a kind of
you know, what is my purpose here

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right? And what will I be
known for when I'm when I've moved on.

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The Other thing is, you know, when you're having these type of

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conversations you had mentioned, you know, now might not be the time to

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bring up these certain you know,
whether it be a dinner party or you're

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aut with some friends, you know, like, really, don't bring this

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up that that is something I struggle
with all the time. And whether it

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be I'm at my sister's house and
they have the big fantasy football party or

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it's the big family event or whatever, and like there's the perfect intro for

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me to mention something, right,
and it's do I really want to bring

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that up and just be the ball
and chain of the party, because you

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know, I've tried these things in
the past. Do you put your head

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down and keep trying, or do
you just try to be because again,

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every situation is not the same.
But you know, as passionate as I

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am about how I perceive things,
at the same time, I realized that

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because I've tried before, people aren't
really ready for that. So I think

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that as a truth there a lot
of people can understand that when is the

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appropriate time to bring these things up
right? And that is something I'm sure

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Tyler deals with a lot as well. How do you perceive that? I

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mean, I agree, I think
I was younger than when the nine to

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eleven stuff came up, I think, and I would like to stay I'm

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matured since then and become more accepting. It's interesting because at the beginning,

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you know, I was like,
what's the big deal? So he has

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different opinions and different views on so
many different things. But like, that's

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what makes the world interesting, right
is people can have different perspectives and thoughts

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and views on things. So in
the one sense, I was like,

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I'm okay with this. Then there
was you know, we have our surrounding

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community of our friends and family who
we have been around for twenty five years

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and lived here, our whole lives, and you know, it was like

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I would never say, don't be
you don't represent yourself for who you are,

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because that's the person I married.
Whether you change today and you're different,

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like it's still to you and these
are still your thoughts and ideas,

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and I value you as a human
being and I want you to be you.

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Like if I don't, I shouldn't
be with you, Like that's not

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fair. But it was challenging because
you have these conflicting things going on,

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like I have his family, who
he again is so passionate in everything he's

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ever done in his life and flat
earth and truth is no different. And

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he came in very hot at the
beginning. It was not this flow,

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steady burn of like let me show
you like one thing this week or whatever

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it was like. And I wasn't
a part of this because I was living

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under the same roof and I was
hearing him talk about it, but like

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he wasn't messaging me and texting me
and sending me every video he found because

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I was right next to him most
of the time. But our friends and

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family, we're getting the rapid fire
text messages of all these videos, all

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these things. And then I'm getting
the phone calls like should we be concerned?

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Is everything okay? And my initial
response is why would you be concerned?

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Like how is this any different than
any other aspect of life? And

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then it goes to you go out
together and like you said, watching movies,

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everything you do is different for him, and we go out and it's

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like the air no fault of his
own, almost gets sucked out of the

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room because people who we don't see
every day but are getting in the text

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messages and things want to mirage him
with questions and want to prove him wrong

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and say something's wrong with him.
And then it's like are we out with

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friends anymore? Or is this like
an interrogation? And am I even in

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the room anymore? Because you just
kind of get swept the background. So

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it was definitely challenging. And all
of our relationships just like one or two,

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but all of our relationships in our
life, whether it be with our

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friends or is family in particular,
are completely different now than they were eight

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months ago. Yeah, I'd looked
at his very first email he sent me

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on July eighteenth, twenty twenty three, and you could you know, I

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remember to this day reading that email
and you can feel the energy coming from

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the email. And he's always been
We've had seventy one emails back and forth

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just since j yeah, since Jillight. And it's both ways because you know,

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he's very passionate and they're I feel
his frustration because again, I have

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a friend. We've been friend since
nineteen eighty three, so it's been like

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forty years. We've been friends since
our sophomore year of high school. And

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that guy could talk about you know, Elvis Presley and led Zeppelin for twelve

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hours at a click. And then
I bring up something that I'm passionate about.

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And sometimes I'll even go light and
bring a little lesser things because listen,

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flat Earth is one of the big
It's like it's like getting hit with

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a rock on your head and people
they look at you and they say,

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are you okay? Did you hit
your head? Did you smoke a little

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something before we met up? And
it's just it's frustrating because we as truthers

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understand the impact of the truth,
like who really is running things down here

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and how evil the earth really is
and how you know, Satan you can't

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create anything, but he deceives.
He deceives and everything is such a big

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deception. And you know, when
we come on that knowledge, because I

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went on a two week trip,
like when I when I came on to

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flat earth, I was, It
completely changed who I was. And again

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I was excited with the information,
and like Tyler, I was going to

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my friends and family like thinking that
they would be blown away and excited to

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hear these things. And nothing could
be further from the truth. Yeah,

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and it's really unfortunate because he,
like you, like you said, he

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was so excited and really just like
has always been the most compassionate, empathetic,

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like loving and caring individual out of
anybody I've ever met. It's why

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I was drawn to him at such
an early age and why I knew like

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right away that he was going to
be my husband many years before we got

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married. And everybody has always looked
at him in that light. Nobody's ever

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looked at him in a different light. But with that being said, all

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of this happening, unfortunately has put
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unfortunately it seems that like the people
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the most is where he struggles the
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and it's really hard to know what
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support system for him, because I
want to go to battle, right like,

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I want to fight everybody and be
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don't do this. But at the
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and perfectly capable of defending himself.
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especially from family. Yeah, it
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at least for me. I don't
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me it became someone who was almost
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put these things out there before,
and when you get that reception where you're

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just immediately shut down, I feel
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the things that interest me. This
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have these conversations and all my other
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those things that they're passionate about.
No matter how trivial that seems to me,

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I still give them the platform and
the interest. When they tell me

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about their new TV show that they
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that's cool, and I tell they
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called Like Them or They or something. It's just the hottest thing. And

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I just listen to people and I
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I turn around and say, you
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the truth about you know, World
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a lie or any of that stuff, they just crazy Uncle George, and

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then just you lose reception. It's
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this is due because of this matrix
that was created the thirteen years that when

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you go through school where you're taught
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what to believe. Right in fourteen
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blue and everything else, and you're
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They just don't teach critical thinking anymore, which is something we implemented here at

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our homeschool a couple of times a
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hundred dollars, go online to the
grocery store and you need to come up

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with two weeks of food, or
you have five hundred dollars, you got

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to get to Los Angeles, go
on travel lot, just little things to

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just kind of provoke the mind,
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c that kind of thing, because
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it just breaks my heart to see
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box or even listen to these type
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that way. I fully agree with
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I always thought that I was an
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when Tyler first approached me with everything, I was like, I'm so accepting,

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I'm so tolerant, Like I can
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as long as they're kind and caring
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it. But I realized as this
journey has gone on, like I wasn't

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open minded at all, Like I
had a completely misconception, a confused idea

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of what open minded was. To
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And in reality, that's not open
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and Tyler has brought me to see
that, Like open mindedness is the willingness

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to say, you know what,
Like I have my beliefs, I have

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my ideas, but I'm willing to
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fact that they may not be correct, and that there could be another version

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of this out there, and that
mine may have been wrong all this time.

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it earlier, I'm definitely okay with
saying I know nothing and anything is a

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possibility and I just don't know.
But it's very difficult to stay in that

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place and to continue to be open
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friends, for example, you know, they look at me now and they're

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kind of like, has he like
brainwashed you yet? Has he brought you

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in on his way of thinking yet? Like they don't like outright say it,

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but it's like you go out to
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the conversation is usually well do you
believe in plat Earth or what do you

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think? And like do you agree
with him? And then you know his

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family's perspective is really upsetting. That
one is still you know, Tyler played

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football for many years in high school
and a long time, and they're very

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much so like, is this CTE
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haven't really let that lie yet,
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you as a spouse, right Like, on the one hand, you're like,

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I'm supposed to be supportive and by
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with you together as a partner.
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well, on the one percent,
the one percent chance that something that

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they're saying is true and that they
could be right, would I then feel

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all the blame, which I would
if they're right and something was wrong with

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him? And many months ago,
that's where I struggled. It was everybody's

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saying he's sick, there's a tumor, cte, a mental disorder, something.

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shoot, I'm the one that lives

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with him. I'm the one that's
here every day, and if I'm missing

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it in six months from now something
catastrophics, I will own that and be

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like, oh my god, why
didn't I listen? But as the journey

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has gone on, I'm like,
no, I'm the one that's here every

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day, and I'm the one that
sees the transition. I'm the one that

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listens and participates. And I've actually
listened to quite a few of your podcasts,

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which have really helped me hear other
people's stories and things like that,

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and I'm like, I feel like
if our family and friends were to open

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themselves up to hearing more people that
have gone through similar journeys, they would

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recognize this is not like an isolated
thing. This is not someone who with

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mental disease or someone who has a
physical disease. This is truly about someone

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who goes through a life changing experience
and goes on a journey of truth seeking,

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uncovers a lot of truth, and
then gets to where they get to

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and you come to the understanding like
a person can't go through all that,

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discover all the deceit and lives that
they've discovered, and come out the other

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side and be the person they were
before. And I'm good with that,

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and I understand that, and I
love and accept my husband for who he

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is today, and the person he
is today is the person I want to

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be with. But so many of
our friends and family are still like waiting

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for him to go back and hoping
he will go back, and trying to

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find a way to make him go
back, And I'm like, that's never

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going to happen. And until they
come to terms with that, their relationship

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can't move forward in a positive direction. You know, that's a very important

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point that you made. Is you
know that they jokingly say once you go

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flat, you'd ever go back.
But on top of that, once you

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take your journey to the truth and
you see these things, there's no going

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back. This has been me for
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you know, the more you research, the easier you discern the type of

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lives. Like you know, you're
told as a child, if you work

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hard and go to college, that
you could be president of the United States.

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What was the headline today, Michelle
Obama sneaking into the race. You

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got people from the same families,
the Obamas, the Bushes, the Clintons

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that are running that are president of
the United States. But you think that

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Steve from Iowa, or George from
Delaware, or Larry from Nebraska, whatever,

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you be president. These you know, these people are selected, not

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elected. And that is one of
the biggest example I used to people who

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get worked up and that this is
another divisive topic. Right, it's twenty

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twenty four, it's an election year, and you saw how deviceive the country

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was four years ago, and it's
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we you know, the truth or
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see these things and we know what's
coming. And the same people who laugh

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at us get all excited about MAGA
or riding with Biden or whatever it is.

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And it's just how do you not
see that they're all on the same

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team and we're the ones who lose
all the time. And it's just one

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example out of thousands to say,
stop believing in this show that they put

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on and again there's no going back. And it's hurtful to me when I

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hear things like that, the relationship
he's gone through, and hearing things like

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does he have CTE? Because I've
had that mention to me once or twice

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too, man that I adem us
to really, you know, scramble to

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his brains. I've heard that before
too, and that's not the case at

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all. And it's very frustrating,
and it's, to be quite frank,

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it's it's rude, and that's being
nice just because I have a different belief

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from you and most of these people
we will tell you. You know,

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they'll cite the Constitution and freedom of
speech, but if if that speech goes

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against their beliefs, they'll automatically put
up they don't want to hear it.

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So it's really it's a catch twenty
two. It's us. It's sometimes it's

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maddening to be honest with you completely. And you know, Tyler also being

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a teacher puts him in an uncomfortable
position as well. Right, Like we

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were having this conversation today with the
freedom of speech and stuff. It's like,

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you do have freedom of speech to
an extent. When I was looking

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at different things, say, like
everything's really geared towards protecting the school system

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and protecting what they want people to
think and believe, and doesn't really protect

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the teacher, like you know,
his social media and stuff like that,

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Like he's sharing his beliefs, he's
sharing what he finds to be true and

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what he's passionate about. And you
know, really they could pull the plug

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on him at any time with his
career. But you know, he has

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to decide who he wants to be
a person and what's important to him,

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and I think he stands true to
that, So I mean, I support

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that completely. It's a little scary
at times, you know, with him

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being the breadwinner of the family,
but I don't want him to be someone

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he's not and he would never ask
that of me, So I just,

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yeah, I find all that to
be really interesting but also very upsetting,

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just the way that the world works
and that people are okay with that.

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Yeah, I was very I'll never
forget waking up a few years ago and

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having an email from PayPal and it
said, we've shut down your personal account,

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your business account. You need to
take the PayPal logo off your website

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because you know, I did an
episode on Blackrock and they said you're done.

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for donations and things like that,

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and that was you know, of
course, the the prideful part of me

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is like you know, I was. I served this country for twenty four

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years, and part of the lie
I was told when I was over in

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Iraq for all that time was,
you know, I was defending the constitution,

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so you know, where's my freedom
of speech? And that's really when

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I got punched in the face and
realized that that that's just another another big

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lie. And you're right. We
saw doctors lose their license if they spoke

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up against COVID. We've seen so
much to get canceled over the last several

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years, and people will still look
at you in the face and tell you

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we live in a free country.
You know, we have that document that

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tells us we live in a free
country, but if the government doesn't abide

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by it, then you should probably
realize that we don't. And there are

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we're in a time now where you
do have to be careful. But you

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know, I feel like Tyler the
same way. Right you have to stand

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toll in your convictions, and if
you want to make change in the world

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and you believe in what you say, it's really hard like to just keep

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your mouth closed and sit on the
sidelines, especially when you see everything that's

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going on in the world. There's
so much you know, there was probably

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as much evil back in the seventies, eighties, and nineties, they just

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hit it better. But it seems
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not hiding it anymore, and we
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Would you agree with that? I
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going on in the world right now. I often say this to Tyler,

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and I'm like, I'm really not
sure if it's any different than it's ever

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been like for all I know,
especially with him huncovering so much truth and

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different things. For all, I
know this is the way it's always been,

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but because neither one of us was
ever looking before, we just didn't

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have the privilege or the lack of
privilege to be it right in front of

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our face. But yes, I
mean I go through all the different things

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every day and I'm like, this
is really blowing my mind just how much

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is happening at once. And I
do think that for me that was again

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another reason I struggled with Tyler's just
like truth is this number one thing in

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life, and whether it was about
the world truth that he's come across in

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the last eight months, even before
that, truth was always the most important

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thing to him, And for me, I value truth, but I value

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love and ki above it. So
when this all started taking place, I

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was like, I'm pretty uncomfortable with
some of the stuff that you're trying to

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share with me, and I find
some of it to be really evil and

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dark. And while I want you
to share with me the cool, interesting

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things, I'm not sure I'm on
board with learning all the darkness. And

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I know there's evil. I don't
just like shut a blind eye and be

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like there's no evil, but I'm
like I don't know that I want to

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know every single thing that's evil,
and I still struggle with that. But

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again, for him, it's like
truth is truth, and he's like,

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I'm not going to not look at
something because you think it's evil or because

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somebody else says it's evil. He's
like, I want to know the darkness

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so I can find the light in
all the things. And that is an

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area that we struggled, but we've
made a lot of compromise on and we've

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worked through. But I just I
don't know. I think that that could

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partially be why so many people are
resistant is because so many people struggle with

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00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:08.599
mental health and different things and they
don't want to rock that boat. And

410
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:14.240
I have respect for that and understand
that, but at the same time,

411
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.279
I think that you can't not allow
the people in your life to be who

412
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.519
they are. That's a great point
and it's important. The two things that

413
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.400
you mentioned is compromise, because anytime
you have a relationship relationship with someone,

414
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.720
compromise is very important. And I
completely get it because you know, when

415
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.519
you're going down the rabbit holes,
some of them are very very dark,

416
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:42.359
very very dark, and they're hard
to un see. As well. One

417
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.839
thing I wanted to ask you that
I haven't really asked you yet was what

418
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.440
was that very first conversation like when
he kind of explained flat earth to you?

419
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.440
Well, he went and looked into
flat earth, I want to say,

420
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.319
maybe many a year ago. You
know, there was that Netflix documentary

421
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:09.079
that came out The Law Yes,
and he, you know, watched it

422
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.400
and was like, oh, yeah, No. I tried to get on

423
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.960
board with that because I'm an open
minded guy and I just couldn't get on

424
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.440
board right. So I knew that
he was looking and then honestly, by

425
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.400
the time he came to be a
flat earther, my initial reaction was,

426
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:29.559
what's the big deal? My initial
reaction was I'm not surprised. You've dug

427
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.960
up everything under the sun in the
past several months, Like, why would

428
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.200
one more thing that happen? And
how is this any different than anything else

429
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:43.440
you've tried to share with me or
shown me. And on top of that,

430
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.680
I did the totally unallowed thing and
I googled it, and I googled

431
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:55.559
and said how does one become a
flat earther? And the response I found

432
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:02.559
rings so true to who my husband
and was like usually there's a marital issue

433
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.039
going on, or some sort of
life changing circumstance going on, or a

434
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.240
loss of a family member, and
I'm like, well, here we are.

435
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.960
We were separated, we're still kind
of navigating that. Here we are

436
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.079
we lost our dog, a terrible
loss for both of us, but especially

437
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.599
my husband. And then it was
like and then they're seeking something to hold

438
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.240
onto. So they go and start
looking at things in rabbit holes and finding

439
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.160
truth, and they discover there's a
lot of deceit in the world, and

440
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.279
I'm like, yep, right in
line with what's going on here. And

441
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.160
then it was like and then they
get to flat Earth. Then they can't

442
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.799
discern that that's not true. And
I was like, interesting, that that's

443
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:43.079
the one thing that they put the
stop on. They have no problem admitting

444
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.920
the government has lied about almost everything
and saying that your person uncover all this

445
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.480
truth and the government is liars about
everything, but that this one thing is

446
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.279
true. So I took it with
a grain of salt, and I was

447
00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.480
like, all right, who's to
say that. He told me before Googling.

448
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.759
He's like, don't use Google.
Google's going to tell you what they

449
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.640
want you to think of flat Earth, there's and all the things, and

450
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.079
I was like, don't tell me
where to do my research, let me

451
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:13.000
do my thing, let me be
me. Yeah, but I still I

452
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.639
was like, all right, I'm
not just going to take Google's word for

453
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.360
it, but I'm like I shared
with him. I was like, the

454
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.039
story adds up, so like it's
not a stretch for me that there's something

455
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.079
else that you believe you're being lied
to about. But again, I was

456
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.519
like, I don't get why this
matters so much. And it took him

457
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.159
saying it over and over again to
me on why it mattered so much for

458
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.519
me to really get it. And
I've always been a believer in God.

459
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:45.960
My family grew up Catholic, raised
me Catholic. We say grace at every

460
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.000
meal that we have as a family
together in my family's home, and you

461
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.519
know, they all go to church
and my grandparents go to church every day,

462
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:59.199
like it is a thing for us. My relationship to God was a

463
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:05.800
little different. Matt Tyler and Tyler's
Stanley I always thought was big God believers,

464
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.679
but like they were not the church
going unless it was you know,

465
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:14.039
funeral or wedding, and so I
kind of had my own relationship with God

466
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.800
privately, and you know, would
do praying when I prayed, and didn't

467
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:23.119
really have it in our marriage so
much. But when Tyler became a flat

468
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:29.960
earther and explained now that he knows
God is real and that this has changed

469
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.840
to me is I was like,
well, that's that's different. Like I'm

470
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.920
on board with this. I like
that we're like coming together in this.

471
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:43.880
I like that you have found God
in your own way and all right.

472
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.840
And I think that made me more
receptive because that was like, wait a

473
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.719
minute, I'm finally seeing that there's
a positive coming from all this versus all

474
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.440
the turmoil it's causing in every direction. But like, if you found God,

475
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.719
to me, that's something we should
be celebrating and something we should be

476
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.599
talking more about one hundred percent.
And I get overwhelmed sometimes when I get

477
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:07.480
emails. We get them every week. You know, people who have not

478
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.800
you know, have never you know, been a part of God right or

479
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.079
you know have maybe growing up went
to church and then as an adult kind

480
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.719
of you know, you know,
busy with work and you know the old

481
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.280
cats in the cradle and kind of
forgot about God and then they stumble on

482
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.320
the podcast. And this isn't like
me, you know, patting my back.

483
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.519
This is to all the people like
yourself who come on and open themselves

484
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:39.039
up and saying that they've you know, they've come back to God and there

485
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.159
is That was the exact reason why
the very first episode we ever did was

486
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.559
called Why the Lie, because I
think it was important to let people know

487
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.519
that this is just not some fringe
podcast where we think, you know,

488
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.199
this isn't another secret society that is
cloaking that the true nature of our earth,

489
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.719
that this is literally the hand of
Satan deceive people. And everything in

490
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:06.719
your textbooks goes along with that.
You know, the Earth is fourteen and

491
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.360
a half billion years old, the
moon was caused by Mars crashing into it

492
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.719
and the moon broke off, and
you know, dinosaurs, Big Bang theory,

493
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.400
evolution and everything else. And that's
something I talk to my local ministers

494
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.400
about all the time. I was
dropping some salt off to them the other

495
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.440
day when we got our snow,
and it's like, you know, we

496
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.079
spend an hour or two a week
in church and then we send the children

497
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.599
off to thirty five hours a week
and these schools that go against everything that

498
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.840
we preach on Sundays. How do
you navigate that? How do you fight

499
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:43.079
that battle? And obviously not everybody
is in the same position where I am,

500
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.360
where I'm able to homeschool my daughter
because I'm in a different place in

501
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.119
my life. A lot of people
are out there, they're single parents working

502
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.519
two jobs. My goodness, at
the grocery prices are through the roof,

503
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.159
insurance rates have doubled everything. You
know, people, it's tough for people

504
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:04.679
to even you know, make ends
meet, let alone try to you know,

505
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.840
homeschool their child. But you shouldn't
have to have those type of worries

506
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.800
where especially if you're you follow Christ, your believer in God, that you

507
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.400
know, all the work that you
put into them at home and at church

508
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.320
is going to get completely undone when
you send them off to school. And

509
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.760
I think that's one of the biggest
battles that we face today. Yeah,

510
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.280
I agree. I think it's really
unfortunate that God was forced out of schools

511
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.559
and I think that should have been
a big warning flag for a lot of

512
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.360
people. And I think people just
kind of took it lying down and were

513
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.679
like church and state, okay.
And I think it's a mistake because I

514
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:47.480
look at you know, we said
the pledgeable legiance and different things when I

515
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.519
was young and in school, and
I mean, I know times have changed

516
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.599
and all the things, but like
I think, the first school shooting was

517
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.880
literally the year I graduated high school, and all that stuff has gotten worse

518
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.840
over the years and has gotten deeper
and deeper the more we have pushed got

519
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.320
out of our schools. And I
think that, well, I obviously can't

520
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.320
predict what would have happened. I
do feel deep in my heart that things

521
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:19.960
would have been much different if it
didn't work out that way. Was that

522
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.559
Columbine? Yes, you know,
it's funny. I graduated PLDC, which

523
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.400
is when you get your stripes in
the army. That day, we just

524
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.800
finished school and I was back in
my barracks room, eat a pizza and

525
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.599
drink and a beer, and I
turned on the TV and that was literally

526
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:38.519
going on. And that's funny.
That date, that April nineteenth, April

527
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:44.000
twentieth date has a very occultish date
to it. Waco and Oklahoma City happened

528
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.400
on April nineteenth. The shooting happened
at eleven nineteen. In reverse that you

529
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.039
got your nine to one one so
I do think all of these major type

530
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:58.719
of events are well I'm not even
going to get into that particular conversation tonight.

531
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:04.039
That's for another day. But I
think you're right. I think right

532
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.760
around that timeframe, the ninety nine
to two thousand and one, when we

533
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.320
had nine to eleven, I think
that was another point where evil really weird

534
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:15.199
its ugly head and the world really
stopped hide and how evil it actually was.

535
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.960
You know, that is something that
I think about all the time.

536
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.079
Is just when I was in school
and I graduated in eighty seven and things

537
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:28.400
were so different. We didn't have
all these things to worry about, misgendering

538
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.320
and I mean just craziness that's gone. And in the church today you have

539
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.360
the entire Methodist Church. We grew
up Methodist three years ago, the church

540
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:44.280
actually split because half of the church
except at LGBT. There's churches now in

541
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.599
the Methodist Church that have actual like
drag queen pastors. And you know,

542
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.920
it has gone from the schools which
we were just talking about, but now

543
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.719
this evil has actually entered the churches, which is really scary to think about.

544
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.360
Yeah, it is, So where
do we go from here? I

545
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.679
know you had mentioned that the Flat
Earth Conversation how the original one went.

546
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.679
How has the last eight months been, and how have you been navigating and

547
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.199
have you taken the time to do
some research yourself. I know you had

548
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:22.599
mentioned listening to some of the podcasts. I guess I should ask you where

549
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.199
are you and your kind of journey
to the truth. I know we mentioned

550
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.239
beforehand that you're not completely on board
with flat earth, and I know much

551
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.840
of today was talking about your support
and being on the other side as a

552
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.039
spouse, if you will, of
a flat earth or someone in the truth

553
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.719
community, and all the things that
you've had to deal with. But where

554
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:47.039
are you personally on this? So
while I am not someone who's a proclaimed

555
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.559
flat earther, I would say I'm
not someone who's a proclaimed what we I

556
00:41:52.599 --> 00:42:00.880
I see the things my husband shows
me, and I'm like, I understand

557
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.639
how you get to where you are. I don't take time to do research.

558
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.280
To be honest with you, I
feel like that's where we find our

559
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.320
cheet and our balance in our home
because Tyler invests so much time and then

560
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.960
I do not. And then we
can talk and I can listen and we

561
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.440
can share, and then I can
also share other things that are maybe different

562
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.079
than what he would normally spend his
time on, and we find our balance

563
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:35.480
that way. That's just what works
for us. I know that listening to

564
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.119
your podcast when he was on it
back in July was one of the first

565
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.679
things that really helped us get over
the hurdles that we were facing. And

566
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.880
you know, it took months and
months, but we've gone on more road

567
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.480
trips in the past year for some
reason than we ever have in our entire

568
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:59.679
relationship, and the hours in the
car are a great time to have conversation

569
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.599
and listen to podcasts instead of just
listening to music and numbing it out right.

570
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.159
And he went on your podcast and
then I think we had a road

571
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:13.920
trip that was significant. I think
are one too. I think we went

572
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.960
to South Carolina and he was like, will you listen, and I'm like,

573
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:22.679
absolutely, I will listen. I
am on board and I listened,

574
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.039
and at the end of it,
he kind of paused and was like,

575
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.559
well, and I was like,
I really enjoyed it. I'm like,

576
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.400
I didn't expect to really enjoy it. I don't know what I expected,

577
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:40.039
but I'm like it is just refreshing
to hear like minded people sharing ideas and

578
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.599
for their not to be judgment and
for their not to be pointing fingers and

579
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.239
hostility and anger, which is all
I'd witnessed. And I think that makes

580
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:57.360
it really hard for someone in my
position is to witness so much anger and

581
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:01.079
so much turmoil among the people that
you've always seen get along so well,

582
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:05.840
and to try and be like,
why is this happening? And how do

583
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.280
I make this stop happening? So
definitely listening to him on your podcast was

584
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.440
a huge turning point for me.
I was nervous in the early months of

585
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:21.119
how my family would react. My
family has always been the judgmental side and

586
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.079
his family has always been the more
accepting side. And it's interesting that the

587
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:31.320
rules are reversed in my family.
I mean, I love him very much,

588
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.800
so if they ever listen to this, I love you. But they

589
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.239
nitpicked me apart, like my entire
existence. And I really was like,

590
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:44.199
oh, there we go. The
moment they find out all of this,

591
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:51.679
it is going to spiral. And
my dad, my dad's a character,

592
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:59.199
but my dad is very malleable for
lack of a better word, and you

593
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.280
know, he was a one day
fishing and hanging out in our backyard,

594
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:07.159
and I had a cousin in from
college that was visiting who you know,

595
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:14.239
red pilled or whatever you all call
it on your side during COVID, and

596
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.039
he's younger, and he, you
know, has found his way to a

597
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:22.199
lot of different truth And they were
just talking and my cousin and Tyler were

598
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.480
talking and I was like, oh, like all right, so like my

599
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:29.320
cousin's okay with this. This is
comfortable for me. Like usually I would

600
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:30.159
be like I need to get up
and walk away, but I'm like,

601
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.440
they're not speaking poorly to each other. I can sit around for this.

602
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.000
And then my dad kind of chirped
in and he's like, wait, what's

603
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.199
fletter And I was like, it's
when people believe that the Earth is not

604
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.320
a globe and a spinning ball,
and they believe it's something different and that

605
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.519
there's like an ice wall and stuff. And he was like, all right,

606
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.400
I'm on board with that. He
was like the only reason I ever

607
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.719
thought it was a globe is what
I was told. And I was like,

608
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.519
I could literally tell you tomorrow it's
globe, and he'd probably go back

609
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.920
to be like, okay, you
said, it's like whoa fine but like

610
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:06.519
just the fact that like he wasn't
like what are you serious, and like

611
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.440
didn't have immediate judgement. Sure,
I was like, well, this feels

612
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.599
good, Like this feels like a
safe space and is okay. And then

613
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.840
on our trip to South Carolina,
we listened to several more of your podcasts

614
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.679
with different individuals, and I was
like, oh, like this is really

615
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:29.159
a thing, Like this is really
a community. And you know, We've

616
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.679
gone on a couple of road trips
since and I've listened to yours, I've

617
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:38.639
listened to some other people's podcasts,
and my one overwhelming takeaway is that there's

618
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.360
not a single person that I've seen
who has come to the truth or flat

619
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:50.480
Earth that is out to hurt others, and that is not someone who just

620
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:55.440
genuinely cares for people. And majority
have come to God. Not everybody's come

621
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.719
to God, but majority have come
to God. And like this is a

622
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:05.599
really strong, positive community that I'm
really happy that my husband is found,

623
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.039
and I'm really happy he's a part
of and I'm really happy that he has

624
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.519
since he doesn't have it in his
normal circle of people in his life.

625
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.719
And I think for me that has
made me more open and more receptive to

626
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:27.039
listening to more, to learning more
and accepting more things to be truth.

627
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.480
But again not something that I spend
my time researching, but definitely something where

628
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.800
like I'm not like when is this
podcast over or when is this book over?

629
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.199
I'm like, oh no, Like
I'm interested from start to finish and

630
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.079
hearing and it's part of the reason
why I wanted to come talk to you

631
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.280
today was simply I've listened to so
many of them, and the thing that

632
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.880
I keep hearing is, oh,
well, my spouse and I divorced because

633
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.519
I was a truther and they weren't
a truther, or you know, my

634
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:59.239
mom has disowned me, or the
different things, and I'm like, this

635
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.320
is so sad. These are relationships
that were so strong and thought they had

636
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:08.199
such a deep foundation, and then
because somebody came to a different journey in

637
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.199
their life, we're basically just like
written off. And I'm like, it

638
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.159
doesn't have to work out like that. And I didn't want that to be

639
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:20.000
our story. Like from the beginning, when we struggled every day, I

640
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.800
was like, I don't know,
we're going to make it through this,

641
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.280
but I don't want our story to
be We didn't make it through this,

642
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:30.400
and I don't want it to be
because we couldn't find our way to navigate

643
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.519
this and go through it. And
I really I just hope that like other

644
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.320
people who are in my shoes today, tomorrow, whenever, are like there

645
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:44.000
are examples of people that can find
their way through this, and it doesn't

646
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.039
have to be a bad thing that
happens in your life. It can turn

647
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.880
out to be like a really positive
thing. And I will tell you this

648
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.880
has been one of the most important
conversations that I have had, because I

649
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.760
get emails all the time, not
even including the people who have come on

650
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.360
the program before that are going through
difficulties because one person is so strong about

651
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.559
the truth and the other one is
completely opposed to it. So hearing your

652
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.079
story and coming out the other side
stronger than before is very important to share.

653
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.519
I have a couple more questions to
ask you besides flat Earth. One

654
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.320
of the more divisive things that have
come up in recent years was COVID.

655
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:23.400
Was that something that affect you were
the extended family and became divisive very much

656
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.719
so. Tyler and I I think
were kind of on the same page,

657
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.880
which you know, up until the
last eight months we were always on the

658
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.440
same page, like we were the
same brain and thought alike, did alike,

659
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:40.960
and all the things. But we
did not want to get the vaccine.

660
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.840
I my reasons weren't necessarily because I
thought the government was doing things out

661
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.400
of evil intention. It was more
so like this feels like a rash decision

662
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.559
and doesn't feel like it is something
that has been tested nearly long enough,

663
00:49:55.719 --> 00:50:00.800
and like so many things that have
been made and created in the past years

664
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.239
down the line, and you're like, oh, that ended up being really

665
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.360
bad for you and really terrible.
And I was like, if we're staying

666
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:13.920
in our homes and we are on
lockdown and we are wearing these masks and

667
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.199
all these other things, I'm like, why do I need to leave my

668
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.320
home and go being in a group
of a large group of people and get

669
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.239
jabbed in the arm. At my
knowledge at the time was I did know

670
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:35.199
a significant about a significant amount about
vaccines because I had worked for homeopathic doctors

671
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.960
in the past, and I was
like, there's really bad stuff in there.

672
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.960
Number one, number two. They're
putting the virus inside you so that

673
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.280
your body can combat it. And
I'm like, I just I don't support

674
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.840
this, but we got a lot
of pressure from both of our families.

675
00:50:50.360 --> 00:51:00.599
My family was very strongly opinionated about
it because my father has a compromised immune

676
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.199
system. He's been in a wheelchair
since I was one years old and has

677
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:09.079
gone through so many struggles in the
last forty four years. And then my

678
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:14.119
health at the time was terrible.
I was one hundred pounds heavier than I

679
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:19.559
am now. I had never taken
care of myself and my mom was like,

680
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.800
this will be terrible if you get
it, and then we have to

681
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.159
take care of you, and basically
guilted me in that way. And then

682
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:30.039
Tyler's family was well, listen to
the doctors, listen to the government,

683
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.199
this is the right thing to do. As well as my niece was being

684
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.719
born and it was the first grandchild
on that side of the family, and

685
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.000
it was being leveraged as if you're
not vaccinated, you can't be around the

686
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.400
family, and it was like,
well, family was everything to Tyler.

687
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.719
Him and his family have always been
so tightly knit that it was like,

688
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:53.519
oh, I don't want to do
this, but I also don't want to

689
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:58.599
not be around my family, and
what do we do? So we did.

690
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.480
We caved and we both to this
day, I regret it and really

691
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.599
are upset that we didn't stand in
our own convictions and let people pressure us.

692
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.239
But in the end, we made
our own decisions right. Nobody held

693
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.199
our hand and forced us. We
made those decisions. But would we do

694
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.000
it again now? And his family
is all still getting vaccinated, which is

695
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:24.199
their choice. Sure, sure,
but even today, like that's a really

696
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:28.639
hard thing for Tyler, especially because
he's like, knowing what I know,

697
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.320
sharing it with them, they refuse
to look at it, and then they

698
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.960
go and get the vaccine and all
of them are sick all the time and

699
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.079
all these things. It's like,
he's like, how do I live a

700
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:45.000
life where I am around them and
socialize with them and spend time with them

701
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.239
when one I can't really talk about
what I believe in and be myself,

702
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.239
And two the things and the choices
they are making are so against what I

703
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:57.679
feel and believe. And I'm watching
like the ramifications right in front of me,

704
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.039
and he's like, and I can't
stop the train that's come. You

705
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.599
can't. And then on top of
all that, you're belittled for that,

706
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.079
and it's just you know, you're
damned if you do, and you're damned

707
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.079
if you don't one of those situations. If you don't bring up you're guilt.

708
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.119
You feel guilty for not saying what
you believe in. If you do

709
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:16.519
bring it up, you know,
they belittle to you. You get the

710
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:22.400
eye roll and everything else. So
and listen to everybody who's listening to this

711
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.000
podcast feels the exact same way.
And when you said listen to the government,

712
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.639
it's just that is like one of
the scariest things. Reagan was the

713
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.599
guy who said the nine words you
never want to hear is I'm from the

714
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.800
government and I'm here to help.
It's just they can't get out of their

715
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.440
own way. So that was a
big red flag for me. You know,

716
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:45.239
if the government's behind it, no
thanks, hard passed. Something I

717
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.800
really did want to bring up was
and of course there's no correct answer for

718
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.039
this, but have you obviously you
have thought about this, But how do

719
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.400
you guys have that conversation about trying
to mend that bred like you and your

720
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:07.320
husband, Tyler, you guys were
able to compromise. How can Tyler and

721
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.360
his parents get to that point?
You know, we talk about it all

722
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.599
the time all the time, because
they'll have a day or two where nothing

723
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:21.599
comes up, and then day three
a hurtful jab is thrown or something is

724
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:29.239
said. And for a long time
I was, you know, trying to

725
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.639
keep the peace, and I was
like, you can't control them, You

726
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:37.599
can only control you, Like,
what can you do to adapt and what

727
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:42.960
can you do to compromise and make
the situation better? To be perfectly honest,

728
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:49.440
I'm at the point now where I've
seen too much and I'm kind of

729
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.760
like the hurt is there and I
really want. I know how important his

730
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.920
family is to him, and I
respect it so much. I don't really

731
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.440
have a relationship with them the way
that I used to because of the separation

732
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:06.519
and things have inspired since then,
but I still want that for him.

733
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:15.679
And one thing I've learned in years
of working on myself is that relationships are

734
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:23.360
your choice and they are not guaranteed. And blood doesn't guarantee a relationship and

735
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:27.519
it doesn't mean you have to have
that relationship. And I think so many

736
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.840
of us were led to think that
at one point. We were led to

737
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.519
think, Hey, they're family,
their blood, anything goes you forgive and

738
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.519
forget no matter what because they're blood. And I just don't think that rings

739
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:44.039
true for me anymore. I think
that you have to choose people in your

740
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.559
life who build you up, and
if somebody is tearing you down, you

741
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.840
have to stand up for yourself and
say, hey, this doesn't feel good

742
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.679
to me, This isn't the type
of relationship I want to encourage in my

743
00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.159
life. Here is what I need
in order for our relationship to work.

744
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.760
Tell me what you need for a
relationship to work. If we can agree,

745
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.880
let's move forward. But if we
can't agree, then we have to

746
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.519
part ways, whether it be a
temporary parting or a permanent parting. But

747
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.599
this has to be in the best
interest for both of us. And if

748
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:22.079
it's not, then what are we
doing? And you know, Tyler and

749
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.119
I are making a lot of life
changes in the last year, and one

750
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.599
of the things that we intend to
do is to move, which is a

751
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:32.159
huge thing for us because, like
I said, we've been in the same

752
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:38.119
town our whole lives and we're fully
intending to take that step together and move

753
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:45.480
somewhere different that is going to be
far away, and we're both on board.

754
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.119
But it is a struggle to leave
for him with the relationships in the

755
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.000
way that they are, and I
know it's important that he wants them to

756
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:58.239
mend. But then like, in
my opinion, and again I'm no expert,

757
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.480
but in my opinion, maybe the
distance will help, you know,

758
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:07.280
maybe saying, you know what,
we weren't very respectful while it was here,

759
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.400
and now that he's away, like
we realize, like how much of

760
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:15.239
a great person we're losing by not
having that close relationship with him. And

761
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:20.599
he's distanced, far away, and
maybe they'll be like, I don't agree

762
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.800
with everything he says, but I
can't have a relationship with someone if I'm

763
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.039
expecting them not to be who they
are. And maybe they'll come to a

764
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.599
point where they're willing to compromise,
and right now we're just not there.

765
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:38.239
So it's it's sad and I'm hoping
and praying on it that like everybody understands

766
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:43.000
that they play a part in this
and that there has to be compromised on

767
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:47.960
both sides. One hundred percent,
that really comes full circle. You know,

768
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.559
when I was in the military,
a platoon start, you always had

769
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.280
the soldiers you spent The old joke
is you spend ninety percent of your time

770
00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.280
on one person you're trying to fix
that person, and while it's not the

771
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.599
exact same situation, a lot of
times you can spend so much time trying

772
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.159
to get that one person to think
your way or just you know, to

773
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:12.599
see things, and you may forget
about the other relationships that are going on.

774
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.639
And that is something that I've put
forth. At the same time,

775
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:21.559
we all have family struggles within our
family. We all try to be supportive,

776
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.840
but it is very frustrating. And
everybody who's listening to this podcast completely

777
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:30.679
can resonate with what you just mentioned
with not being able to be ourselves around

778
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.760
our own family members who have known
us our entire lives, right, and

779
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.679
it's something we're passionate about, and
the fact that we can't have these type

780
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:44.719
of conversations can be disappointing and you
feel disenfranchised and you don't feel authentic when

781
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:49.800
you're around people and you can't share
your basic convictions with them. Yeah,

782
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.960
and it's like, how are you
supposed to like consider that a relationship anymore?

783
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.679
Like if you're not being authentic to
yourself and you're just playing the part

784
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:01.360
that they've placed you in, like
that's not really a relationships. So you're

785
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:05.639
going to mourn that loss but like, really you're mourning the loss of somebody

786
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:10.719
that you weren't anyways. So it's
like, is that the boundaries for yourself?

787
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.480
Respect yourself and say this is who
I am, this is what I

788
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:17.400
need. I would love for you
to be a part of that journey with

789
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.320
me, and if you want to
be, you're welcomed. And if you

790
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.199
don't, then you know, love
you, but we're going to have a

791
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:30.280
distance between us. Yeah, this
has been tremendous and I hope for all

792
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:36.280
the people listening who may be in
relationships with others who who are having struggles,

793
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:42.000
I hope you'll share this episode with
your loved ones and hopefully it will

794
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:45.920
help them bridge and you know kind
of some like you said, you know,

795
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.280
meet halfway and still be able to
move on, and like you and

796
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.360
Tyler, you came out the other
side stronger. Was there anything else that

797
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:59.440
you wanted to mention that you had
in your mind that you wanted to mention

798
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.800
to the audience so that we haven't
talked about yet. I really just think

799
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:09.519
that in any relationship, whether it's
about letters, whether it's about anything,

800
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:21.679
it really comes down to listening and
talking and accepting your person. And I

801
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:28.079
think that it's really important that you
build up the people in your life and

802
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:35.800
that you don't tear them down.
I just think that that is so critical

803
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.920
to survival. I think when we
feel beaten down, it just takes away

804
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:45.400
so much of who we are.
And like, my biggest thing is like

805
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.000
I want people to know they're not
alone. Like that was my biggest struggle

806
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.119
in all of this is I felt
so alone for so many months, Like

807
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:59.320
I didn't talk to friends or family. I was like, I don't know

808
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.599
anybody else that had become a truther, and I don't know anybody that knew

809
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.960
anybody that had become a truther.
And I was like, how do I

810
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:13.039
tell somebody what I'm going through when
I don't want them to judge me my

811
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.679
husband, our relationship, and I
just want them to like help me through

812
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:22.639
it. And I really just like
felt so isolated and I don't want that

813
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:28.440
for anybody. So yeah, I
think that is just like my biggest thing

814
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.880
is like there are people who have
been through it. I think listening to

815
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.559
podcasts, even if it's not one
like ours today where it's like talking about

816
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.760
the relationship aspect, can be so
beneficial just to hear that there are other

817
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.840
people out there going through a similar
situation and just really pray on everything.

818
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:53.199
Yeah, praying is very important,
and also I think it would be awesome.

819
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:55.880
And again I'm just throwing it out
there. I'm not trying to put

820
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.360
you on the spot, but this
would make a heck of a book.

821
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:05.000
It really would. Because podcasts are
awesome too, Don't get me wrong.

822
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.760
I'm listening to these type of conversations. But there's a whole other audience for

823
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:14.440
books too, and that this is
a platform, a category, if you

824
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.960
will, that is really not broached
to its fullest. You know, there's

825
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.760
a million books on whatever, just
the most generic fringe things, but there's

826
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.559
not really a whole lot of books
out there who people who see things differently

827
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.840
and how to compromise. And that
is the big word, to compromise.

828
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.320
And we as truthers have to remember
the same thing. If you know the

829
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.440
person we're talking to, as long
as they're not breaking us down, if

830
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.199
we have the conversation and they don't
agree with us, you can't tear them

831
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:43.639
down as well and just yell at
them. How can you not see this?

832
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.639
You just have to respect their journey
and what they see so it is.

833
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.599
I should mention that it is kind
of a double edged sword. You

834
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.159
have to respect other people's opinion as
well, but the fact that you know

835
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:59.719
it tears down and people you know
ridicule you that that is unacceptable, but

836
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:05.239
it does work both ways. But
you know coming on here is I appreciate

837
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.159
it so much you sharing this story. It's very important, and we're going

838
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.639
to have Liza's email in the show
notes, so make sure you check it

839
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.679
out if you'd like to reach out
to her. Her email address will be

840
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:20.639
in the show notes. And I
hope you consider continuing sharing your story because

841
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.519
it's very important. There are so
many people out there who are going through

842
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.039
this. So again, I appreciate
you coming on, and I would like

843
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:31.960
to give you the final word.
I really appreciate you. I appreciate you

844
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.440
being open to our email to you
saying what we'd been talking about. And

845
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:43.280
you know, Tyler and I have
so many deep, meaningful conversations these days,

846
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.880
and you know, I really came
to them of a place of like,

847
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.519
gosh, I wish I had someone
like George or a podcast like what

848
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.880
you have on here, where I
could have gone and been like, that's

849
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.639
a resource. For me because I
really I looked high and low when we

850
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:01.679
start going through things and couldn't find
any anything that came close to not being

851
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:06.719
judgmental or felt like it was like
a safe space to really hear what was

852
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:14.239
going on. So I just hope
that this does that for somebody, even

853
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:19.199
if it's just one person. I
hope that people continue to be themselves and

854
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:24.679
who they are and have people that
love them and support them and build them

855
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:29.039
up. And again, I know
you've been such a godsend to my husband

856
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:33.280
and to our marriage in general,
and I really just am so grateful for

857
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.679
that. Tyler is very grateful to
you, and fit is flat Earther is

858
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:44.159
very grateful to you. And I
just appreciate you taking the time to talk

859
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.280
with me and share my story.
I appreciate you what's very humbling, and

860
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:53.079
I'm glad to be just a small
part of this community. I'm so glad

861
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.639
people so many people have come on
to share their stories, and it's so

862
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.840
important for people to realize that they're
not alone, that there are, you

863
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.239
know, hundreds of thousands of like
minded people out there, and it's just

864
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:09.880
finding that community, and more and
more people are finding that community. And

865
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:14.079
I look forward to having more of
these type of conversations. And again,

866
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.679
thank you so much Liza for joining
us. I'll have that episode with Tyler

867
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.079
in the show notes, and we'll
have Liza's email address if you'd like to

868
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.599
reach out to her. The next
podcast will be Sunday night at eight pm

869
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.880
Eastern Time with Kara, who I'll
be interviewing in about ninety minutes. And

870
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.719
I hope everybody is a great weekend. If you're in the way of this

871
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.039
storm, be careful, God bless
you all. Keep your head on a

872
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:38.000
swivel. And until we meet again, my friends, we will see you.

873
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.760
I knowing it's been a struggle.
I don't know if you've had spain.

874
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:56.519
I feel the tie held down all
the way. Yeah, I know

875
01:05:56.719 --> 01:06:06.000
you feel them. You smile ain't
the same I saw well go from you

876
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:15.239
feel like you've lost your way.
Don't give up. No, don't give

877
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:21.840
it and never is home. Don't
let all the primise. It ain't done.

878
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.920
Got he's gone up playing Why it's
a way time, got up?

879
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:44.320
Let me come? Why wait,
God up, y come. I can

880
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:51.320
see the straight beside you. Childs
are putting up the five. Oh you're

881
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:59.920
stronger than any thing. You guy, you're gonna be all right. You're

882
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:08.800
accepting a dead found you beautiful.
You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're living,

883
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:17.719
breathing, move you can hold your
head a pie. Don't give up,

884
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:23.800
No, don't give in, never
lose home, don't let go on

885
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:30.719
the primies. It ain't done yet's
got up? Lat w a wain town

886
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.440
the god of me became. Don't
give up. No, don't give in

887
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:42.760
you never lose home, don't let
go on the primis. It ain't out

888
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.880
of life. It's worth living.
What's a way down the god? Up

889
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:59.800
cold? Why it's a way down? Got up? Oh? Yeah?

890
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:21.479
What's the play down the god?
Oh yeah, got TV. Don't give

891
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:28.199
up, No, don't give in. Neverles hol do they go of the

892
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:34.560
primem smell me and done? Yes, got a plan, watch and kind

893
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:42.800
of in a coat, and don't
give no dog giving whatever its hold.

894
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:47.319
Don't let go of the primes.
It ain't done. Others worth living in.

895
01:08:48.279 --> 01:09:01.399
What's the god of agy coors?
Oh? The god of these gos?

896
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:18.439
Whits? Don't god? You're listening
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

897
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:23.880
Just the facts, ma'am.