1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,120 Because Ukraine. I wouldn't even say that Ukraine is truly independent or that Ukraine 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,320 has ever been truly independent. Of course, in nineteen eighty one, when 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Ukraine independence on the paper, we can we can say that, yes, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:22,640 Ukraine is independent. But at the same time Ukraine was very independent on Russia 5 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:28,480 and there are many business for that. Of course, now Ukraine is more 6 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:33,240 dependent on the West because if you claim that Ukraine is independent and you cut 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,679 all the support, financial, military and everything, the government in the structure 8 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:45,520 will collapse. So can we really say that Ukraine is independent. I wouldn't 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:53,840 say so, but it makes it very convenient to use Ukraine in to install 10 00:00:55,039 --> 00:01:03,159 the government that will fulfill whatever the best once that government to do with regard 11 00:01:03,239 --> 00:01:10,640 to Russia, I wouldn't say that Ukraine is truly independent or ever was. 12 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:19,120 Um So that's that's my two cents right now. Thank you, thank you, 13 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,319 Julie. Yeah, it was interesting on the question of NATO membership of 14 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,079 Razinski, he sort of defaulted to that position. Well, ultim he's been 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:34,640 asked directly this he said, Ultimately it's up to Ukrainians to decide, and 16 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,200 so really kicking the can down the road on that, but he he was 17 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,000 really a big believer, especially late in his career, really pushing Ukrainian nationalism, 18 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,079 but a united form of Ukrainian nationalism. And I think this was a 19 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:59,079 little bit idealistic on his part. But you can see what's really interesting about 20 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:04,920 his work, and it's still you can see his fingerprints all over US foreign 21 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:08,120 policy. You can see it all over the foreign policy establishment. A lot 22 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:14,280 of the maintenance or what people believe, the talking points, a lot of 23 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:19,360 these things come directly from some big new Prazynski. So it's incredible that the 24 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:23,199 influence he still has and most people don't even know it. It's almost subliminal 25 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,360 in a way. So he thought that NATO wouldn't work in Ukraine if the 26 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:36,759 country was divided, but he said if it could be united, then he 27 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,759 would say NATO is a good thing for Ukraine. Maybe a little bit idealistic, 28 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,639 and Praszynski was I would put him, class him as a moderate compared 29 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,360 to the neo kons, compared to some of the war Hawks, and you 30 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,080 can see there's been a departure some of the things. I think that if 31 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:59,599 transpired since my Dawn, which you mentioned, Julia Prazynski probably might not have 32 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,159 a roofed off. He was a big believer in stability, and anything that 33 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:12,520 could foster instability and could cascade into instability he would generally be against, except 34 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:17,960 for certain circumstances where we could talk about Afghanistan, but in terms of a 35 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,319 direct confrontation with the nuclear power, like what's going on right now between NATO 36 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,680 and Russia in a proxy, where I tend to would imagine ape against it. 37 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,199 So this isn't the current The current foreign policy of the US is not 38 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:40,599 completely Prasnskiite. It's definitely taken a neo Khon detour, I think. But 39 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:44,039 we'll come back. We'll come back to you, Julie, and I want 40 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,840 to welcome Jay Dyer to the stage. Jay, if you want to introduce 41 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:52,840 yourself to us and just give us your initial thoughts and I have we've spoken 42 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:54,560 about this in the past, Jay, and I think you've got a really 43 00:03:54,599 --> 00:04:00,800 interesting insight into the biographical kind of his career, history of Brazinski, and 44 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,960 how this kind of shaped him as he came in, you know, up 45 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,280 to his sort of the peak of his career. He could say, as 46 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:14,080 a national security advisor to Jimy Carter, but go ahead J. Dyer. 47 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Yeah, thank you. I just hopped on here, so I might have 48 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,319 missed some of the beginning part. I don't know what you guys are talking 49 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:26,720 about, but I'm reminded of his twenty twelve book, you Know, a 50 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,040 Strategic Vision, one of his last books. You know, he talked pretty 51 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,800 extensively about Ukraine being a key focal point. So you know, we know 52 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,600 that what all was going on with Ukraine was already in the works by Brazinsky, 53 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:46,079 because Brazinsky said that the key to controlling the Eurasian heartland is is Eurasian 54 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,120 or excuse me, is Ukraine. So he sees this as an important, 55 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,279 you know, energy corridor, geostrategic corridor. I think he talked about that 56 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,600 in Grand Chess Board as well. So in my view, I don't really 57 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,079 see a huge difference between the Neo Khans and Brazinski. They might have some 58 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,959 different approaches to how we get to those end goals, but they seem to 59 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,120 typically have the same technocratic end goal when we look at, you know, 60 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:20,439 between two ages. So there might be a minor differences between somewhere like Samuel 61 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Huntington and Brazinski, but at the end of the day, you know, 62 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:29,160 we all have the same goal, and that's why he was chosen by Kissinger 63 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,360 and Rockefeller to run the Trilateral Commission. I'm just finishing up Patrick Wood and 64 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,199 Anthony Sutton's book on the history of the Trilaterals, which is it's dated because 65 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:42,600 it was written the seventies, but it's also insightful because we get an insight 66 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,800 into what the CFR and the Trilateral Commission was really up to in the nineteen 67 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,519 seventies. And so I found it actually to be to be really good. 68 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,639 And then in terms of his background, you know, Patrick, I think 69 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:57,279 made a good point a while back that you know what, probably what motivates 70 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,639 a lot of this on the part of Brazinski for the Cold War was his 71 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,360 you know, Polish heritage, his dislike and distaste for Russia, so everything 72 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,279 everything Russian was very distasteful to him. I think his background is some sort 73 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:13,720 of Polish nobility, and so you know, he goes to McGill University, 74 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,439 that's a one percent total mk Ultra university that we're doing a lot of the 75 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:23,279 cutting edge MK ultra research at at at McGill. I don't think it's accidental 76 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,519 that, you know, between two ages comes out of that. But McGill 77 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,399 thought process on the part of Brazinski, because there's a really close connection between 78 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:35,759 technocracy, transhumanism, and MK ultra. And you know, he begins between 79 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:41,759 two ages by talking about mutating man. You know, he's literally that's what 80 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,959 he says when the first fifteen or twenty pages is that man can be mutated, 81 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,439 his nature can be changed. And then he goes into talking about Skynet, 82 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,360 weather weapons, all the stuff that you would think would be kind of 83 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:59,319 crazy conspiracy theory stuff. It's it's really all throughout between two ages. And 84 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,120 I would add too that a lot of people tend to think of people like 85 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,879 Anthony Sutton, for example, as maybe conspiratorial as a professor in the United 86 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:10,480 States doing the history of Scolin Bones, doing the history of Wall Street, 87 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:14,519 support for Hitler and the Bolsheviks. But in fact, Brazinski cites Sutton's research 88 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,040 in between two ages. So Brazinski he saw Sutton to be a credible source. 89 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,240 So in my view, you know, he's a key figure to study, 90 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:27,959 just like Kissinger, to understand the mindset of the technocrats and the globalists. 91 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:32,600 And I know his background and his books, so you know, I'm 92 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,079 not super up to date on exactly what he was pushing forward towards the end 93 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,839 of his days, but you know, he certainly seems to fit in my 94 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:48,000 mind with this idea of I think Patrick's write about him favoring stability. But 95 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,680 he was also the author of the Arc of Crisis, which was the model 96 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:58,680 throughout all the Soviet blocks to implement the strategy of tension, which would then 97 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,639 ensure that they would be opened up to the West into neoliberal economic policies. 98 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,519 So he also has a history of proxy terror. You know, he's the 99 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:13,480 father of Krety Mujahadeen and all that through Operations cyclone and so forth. So 100 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,079 I see him as not too different from neo cons in my view, and 101 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:22,639 I thank you jay At that part of the early Persenticky career is something that 102 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,959 a lot of people overlook between two ages is like a seminal text for you 103 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,960 could say an organization like the World Economic Forum. It's it's really an variational 104 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:39,759 text exactlynocracy. And most people don't don't really know him for that. But 105 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,639 it's interesting that was very young early in his career, and I think he 106 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,480 was identified as a standout talent as a result but it was interesting as well. 107 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,480 You know, he's coming out of a World War two situation, seeing 108 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:00,320 the rise of Hitler and then the Soviet Union takeover of Poland, his his 109 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,720 home country, and meanwhile he's in Canada looking, you know, watching these 110 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,679 things, and I think it had a big impact on him. His analysis 111 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:16,600 was very in his foreign policy concerns, is very Poland centric in a certain 112 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,039 way, like you'd always refer back to it. He would often compare Ukraine 113 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:28,159 to Poland. In fact, he lamented that being his family Polish nobility, 114 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,960 but from Galicia, by the way, or what is now or is known 115 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:39,000 as Galicia, so in that region that would be formerly a Poland, I 116 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,879 don't possibly not even in the current borders. But he thought that Ukraine reminded 117 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:50,639 him of let's say, eighteenth century Poland, whereby it was being pressured by 118 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:56,320 the Prussian Empire and the Russian Empire and lost its sovereignty. And he was 119 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,480 afraid that Ukraine would go the way to Poland, and he didn't want to. 120 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:03,360 He want to to right the wrong of history of what happened to Poland, 121 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,360 this tragedy of Poland losing its sovereigntine. His mission was to ensure that 122 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,919 that didn't happen to Ukraine. So big influence. You know, his personal 123 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,159 history, I think a lot of his geopolitical thinking, and certainly in Grand 124 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:24,399 Chess Board with the Ukrainian part. It definitely comes up in a lot of 125 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,240 his writings and he's constantly making references to it, which is I think really 126 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,080 interesting and if you think about it, look at how the US foreign policy 127 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,240 is now more reoriented in Europe. The United States is really pushing the current 128 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:46,159 Iron Curtain line for a their frontline against Russia further east in Poland is becoming 129 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:52,080 the new Germany in that set. So that part is interesting. So but 130 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,559 we sent a few more request I think, I say, speaker request to 131 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,799 Glenn and Alex if you can. If you're if you want to come up 132 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,519 to speak, just click on that and accept. You can come up on 133 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:09,720 stage. M A. Sorry Patrick, Yeah, Hi, Hi to the 134 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,919 panel as well, j Julia, thanks for joining. I want to add 135 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:18,639 that if it's your first time speaking and you're trying to accept the mic request, 136 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:20,639 it won't work or you may not see it, so you'd have to 137 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:28,000 go into your phone settings and make sure your microphone permission is it's on for 138 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Twitter. Um So, going to whichever phone it is, an Oroid, 139 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,240 an Android or an iPhone, go into your permissions for Twitter and make sure 140 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:39,600 you've got the microphone switched on, and then you'll be able to accept the 141 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,919 mic request here. Um So that may be the issue because I've also sent 142 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:50,360 them a mic request down well one one one brief quote that I think might 143 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:56,360 be relevant in strategic vision, he cites in the chapter on Ukraine or Beyond 144 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,440 twenty twenty five, He goes back to grant chessboard and said, my analysis 145 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:07,480 is basically still valid. Eurasia's the largest continent geopolitical axial power that dominates Eurasia 146 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,519 would control most of the world's productive regions. A mere glance the map suggests 147 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:18,440 control of Eurasia would be automatically to entail African subordination. Of the world lives 148 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,240 in Eurasia and most of the world's wealth is there. Therefore, after the 149 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,200 United States, the next largest would be Eurasia. Thus, to control the 150 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,159 world requires controlling this region. That's that's the old Alfred mckinder right, Eurasian 151 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:39,519 heartland land the land heartland thesis, right. He just basically restates that so 152 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,799 I just see him as kind of the strategist of a more technocratic soft power 153 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,919 approach rather than the Neocon sort of you know, war approach, hard preemptive 154 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:54,279 strikes and all that. But he does say that he thinks that, you 155 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,440 know, United States can give stability to all these regions, and so that's 156 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,960 so we might have to engage in u you know, terror to bring to 157 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:09,480 bring stability. That seems to be this Percinsk model. Well he was. 158 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:16,279 He's very critical of the Bush administration and the sort of scorched Earth Iraqi operation, 159 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,840 and I thought that was interesting. He's also human rights was part of 160 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,679 his doctrine, so he was kind of a you could say, a type 161 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:31,320 of responsibility protect So that kind of coincides with maybe the Obama rhetoric during the 162 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:37,879 Obama administration or the Clinton administration exactly the r twop model. There was something 163 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:43,240 he read a quote of him before he passed away where he was critical of 164 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,879 the direction of things where things were going. I don't remember where I read 165 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,200 it, but yeah, there was something maybe towards his end days where he 166 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:56,000 was maybe having some second thoughts on some of these approaches. Yeah, yeah, 167 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,960 I noticed this as well. In later interviews. So that's a good 168 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,440 point. JA. So mckinder's heartland theory, the idea that Eurasia being the 169 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:11,879 world island as he like, as he called it. Mckinder born in the 170 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,559 mid nineteenth century, passed away at the end of the Second World War. 171 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:20,919 And so this idea that if you control the world island, you control the 172 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,200 world. And you could say, look at this, this is more or 173 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:31,559 less this has been adopted as US grand strategy more or less, but it's 174 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,200 really a follow up to in my opinion anyway, British imperial grand strategy absolutely 175 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,879 was the great game one point zero. Oh go ahead, Jay, No, 176 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:46,919 no, just absolutely totally agree. Yeah, so you could say, 177 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,960 right now we're looking with the US taking the bats on from the British Empire 178 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,679 is the great game two point zero. And this is what I've written about 179 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:01,600 in the last year in relation to Ukraine. The great res at the rearrangement 180 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,639 of energy policy, cutting off Europe from Russia in terms of energy nord stream, 181 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:13,000 et cetera, and also to thwart China's Belton Road initiative. But then 182 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,240 that was also an old mission of the British Empire, was to cut off 183 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:24,159 relations between the bizarre Russia and India at the time, and wars were fought 184 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,039 to that end because at that time money to preserve its mercantile, its naval, 185 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,279 merchant navy written in the Netherlands preserve their merchant navy, domination of global 186 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:43,320 trade routes. That's the foundation of the empire. So but things have changed. 187 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:48,919 Obviously, the world has changed. The merging Chinese moment is upon us. 188 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,840 India has also come up. I think Khalisi, our co host, 189 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:58,399 all handed over to you because I think in terms of the China's Belton Road 190 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,679 Initiative, the New Silk Road, um, this is definitely something that I 191 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:10,399 think Washington foreign policy and Grand strategy planners are not happy about, would like 192 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:15,039 to disrupt. Is something that they don't want to see come online, and 193 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:30,279 they don't want to see connections between Europe twenty years, which is obviously the 194 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,480 Iraq, Afghanistan and stuff. But there's a lot of things that have been 195 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,919 in the planning. So so the bri as it's called the Belton Road Initiative, 196 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:45,200 it's it's a Chinese lead plan for a new trade infrastructure and it includes 197 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:49,559 sea land routes which connects Asia, Europe, Africa and the Middle East. 198 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,759 And so it's known as the belt. Okay, so the Bolton Road Initiative, 199 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,679 and it's it's it refers to the overland trading routes and the road refers 200 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,200 to the new sea trade infrastructure, and it provides like an alternative market for 201 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:11,680 China's stay owned companies beyond its own borders, and it helps to stimulate the 202 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:18,559 economies in China's Central Province. For China, it's it's perceived as vitally important 203 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,359 in securing its borders on the Asian mainland. But it has paced a lot 204 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:30,000 of opposition from some countries, including India, and concerns over you know, 205 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,920 obviously India is going to raise this corruption debt service in but you know, 206 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,480 as an example, I think it's been quite successful in some areas like Africa. 207 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:44,039 Chinese investments in Africa, Europe and some Southeast Asian countries have attracted a 208 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,039 lot of support and obviously from their rivals a degree of criticism as well. 209 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:52,119 And I want to kind of you touched on this just now, Patrick, 210 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:57,640 So if I move away from the br and just talk about India's historical relationship 211 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:04,319 with Russia in the present day, there are global sanctions on Russia. So 212 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,480 the European countries, as an example, the UK are not allowed to buy 213 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,839 any oil and gas. Neither is America from Russia because of these sanctions. 214 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,000 But Secretary of Lincoln went last year. I believe his delegation and I believe 215 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,200 he may have gone in person, but certainly his delegation went last year to 216 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,680 India and reassured Prime Minister Maudi that look, you know, we're putting these 217 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,559 global sanctions on, but we realized that, you know, your relationship with 218 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,119 US is very important. So if you want to do business, and I 219 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,440 think it was a way of giving permission knowing that India was going to do 220 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,759 it regardless, you can, so India, said Prime Minister Mothy said yes, 221 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,400 but we're not going to use dollars, We're going to use rubles and 222 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:53,599 rupees. So it's been a whole twelve months and India has been buying oil 223 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:59,759 and gas at a much discounted rate and then selling it to America and Europe 224 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,400 at an inflated price. So we're paying more than we would if we just 225 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,119 bought it off Russia, and our governments know that it's still Russian but we're 226 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,359 just not buying it off Russia. Now. I was looking into this a 227 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,079 little bit in preparation for this this space, and one of the things I 228 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:18,480 didn't realize is that the relationship between Russia and India goes right back to the 229 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:23,759 sixteen hundreds when the Czars wanted to establish a direct relationship with the Mughal Empire, 230 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,880 and indirect trade was common by then in terms of cotton, dyes, 231 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,759 garments and things like that. That was all filtering through into too Russia, 232 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,960 you know. But by the seventeenth century, they perceived it as the land 233 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:44,200 of rubies, diamonds and fine fabric and they were reading you know that the 234 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,319 Tsars I I was looking this up. They were they were really inspired by 235 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,200 the writings of Marco Polo, who talked about rubies and diamonds and you know, 236 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:59,279 the real or imaginary wealth of India and exotic inhabitants. And so they 237 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,359 went over there. And I think it was in nineteen forty seven that Prime 238 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Minister and Naru had a strategic vision to seek diplomatic relations with what was then 239 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:15,359 the Ussrum, even before India attained independence. And they've got a very enthusiastic 240 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:22,119 response, a Soviet response, and that's when they launched a relationship and it's 241 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,200 been going, you know, for I don't know, almost eight decades, 242 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:32,680 nine decades since since since the independence. Even very strong and it's it's a 243 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,640 relationship apart from trade and everything else in the history, which gives it a 244 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:42,680 strong foundation. It's mutually recognized geopolitically as logical for the two countries because they've 245 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,359 got common concerns if you look at their concerns around the West and Central Asia, 246 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,799 India, Russia have had complex relationships with China, and they're both in 247 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:59,200 a quest for a kind of multipolar world in which every pole seeks to protect 248 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,880 its core interest and promote only its aspirations. Um And I think because of 249 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,279 that they are very solid partners to this day. Um So, yeah, 250 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,960 I thought that was quite interesting as well. And then you look at that 251 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:17,079 relationship and how they both have this kind of conflicting relationship with China, and 252 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,160 you look at the BRI, the BRI, the Balton Bold Initiative that China 253 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,000 is expanding massively. Um I can see tension. I can see a lot 254 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,759 of tension going on there, but there's this very little focus on it. 255 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,279 At the moment because of Russia Ukraine. So a land there. Thanks Patrick, 256 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,599 and thank you, thank you, Lucy. Yeah, I think it's 257 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:40,039 really interesting Clesia. As you're saying that that when when people see positive relations 258 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:45,799 between Russia and India, the sort of the usual punditry in the in the 259 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,279 Western press will say, well, that's because Putin and Modi are both autocrats, 260 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,400 and autocrats tend to get along and they speak the same language, but 261 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:02,960 just completely ignoring the whole historical context of how there's fealty between people in India 262 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,839 and Russia, and it goes back, as you said, hundreds of years. 263 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,279 And I think I think that whole story that that is the great game, 264 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,680 that competition of the British and the Russian empires uh in the in the 265 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:19,400 eighteenth in nineteenth century, that is that is effectively a big component of the 266 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,359 Great Game. And I think the great game two point zero, we're in 267 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,039 it right now. And I might add as well, Brazinski is a big 268 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:36,359 new Brasinsky viewed multipolarism as dangerous and he said is inherently unstable and therefore should 269 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,880 be avoided it all costs. So he really saw the United States as the 270 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:49,039 only progressive modern power that could and that had the cultural influence, the political 271 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:56,960 influence, the innovation, the military power to keep to maintain global stability. 272 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,079 And we'll go into it. Also another the thing that presents he said he 273 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,160 issued a warning, I believe in the Grand Chesspoort that not to view China 274 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,079 as a menace because it would become a self fulfilling prophecy. On that point, 275 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,039 I think he's very accurate. So, yeah, he wasn't strident against 276 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:26,240 China at that time and viewed view Japan in Britain as not significant geostrategically going 277 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,559 into the future, he tend to lean towards Germany in Europe and lean towards 278 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:38,119 France. So that's interesting because and in terms of NATO expansion. Yeah, 279 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,000 also I'm not sure how he felt about that, but certainly I don't know 280 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:48,440 if he would have been supporting NATO expanding into the Pacific, which they just 281 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,920 opened an office in or they're going to open an office in Japan imminently, 282 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:59,079 so NATO wants to open a dialogue with the Japanese and so that would extend 283 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,000 the allowlience into the Pacific. So all of that was not on the table 284 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:10,240 during Brazynski's high water mark of his career. But I want to welcome onto 285 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:15,480 the stage author Alex Kraner, who's also based in Europe. And Alex, 286 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:21,039 if you want to introduce yourself in your interest in this subject, and then 287 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:29,839 you know, what are your general thoughts on this topic. Just yeah, 288 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,960 hi, so good evening to everybody. On my apologies, I missed part 289 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,240 of the show because I was wrestling with figuring out how to enable my microphone. 290 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,960 If I end up saying something that's already that's already been said, please 291 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,079 a humane. So I think that one of the mysteries of where the obsession 292 00:24:49,160 --> 00:25:00,240 with Ukraine comes from clearly stretches back to the British imperial policy of the imperative 293 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:07,440 to dominate the Eurasian landmask. And I think that one thing that is important 294 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,559 to keep in mind, and this is always an economic objective and that ideology 295 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:21,799 only comes on top of that. So you know the empire which is driven 296 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,920 by the by the banking system. I don't know how much detail we have 297 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,160 time to get into their by all means, Alex, by all means, 298 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:38,039 okay, So well, you know the Western banking system, which is based 299 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:47,519 on fractional reserve. Banking grows and thrives on credit creation. Right, credit 300 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:52,440 is how you put other people in debt and then they basically work for you 301 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,200 because they have to pay back their debts with interest and other people debts are 302 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,559 your assets. And the more assets you have, the bigger business, the 303 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:06,759 wealthier you are. But for debt to be good, it needs to be 304 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:12,200 based on it needs to be founded on good collateral. And so the Empire's 305 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:19,039 interest in the Eurasian land masks is because it's the world's largest source of good 306 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:23,880 collateral. It's where more than two thirds of the world's energy reserves are. 307 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:37,799 It's it's where most of the world's metals and forestry reserves are, and agricultural 308 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,880 arable land, and all of these assets are worthless without people to develop them 309 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,079 and to exploit them. So this is where also two thirds of the global 310 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,119 population are, and most of the world's GDP and so forth. So that 311 00:26:52,279 --> 00:27:02,039 is where the Empire's interests in maintaining dominance over this landmass comes from, and 312 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:07,640 it's been this way for centuries. And Russia in particular, which is one 313 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,680 of the world's largest treasure troves of good collateral and a large well educated working 314 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:19,000 class has been the target of invasion from the West for more than three hundred 315 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:26,119 years now, if i'm unless I'm wrong, it started already with the Swedish 316 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:33,599 invasion of Russia, and then Napoleon and then Hitler, and then there was 317 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,519 you know, the transition from communism to capitalism during the nineteen nineties, where 318 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:45,079 there wasn't a military part of the invasion, but there was very much you 319 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,799 know, a color revolution type things, where Western financial interests pretty much took 320 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:57,960 over the government of Russia through Boris Hilson's cabinet. And now we have again 321 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,799 since since uh, you know, since Vladimir Putin took over and he managed 322 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:10,680 to rest control over Russian resources and Russian economy from this Western financial interest now 323 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,559 we have the attempt to distable as and partition Russia through Ukraine. And so 324 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,519 you know, when you when we're talking about Bigna Bersinsky, who is you 325 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:29,839 know, um protegian recruit of Henry Kissinger. Henry Kissinger himself is the protegian 326 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:41,359 recruit of the Rockefeller interests. And they all are intellectual disciples of Alfred Mackinder 327 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:49,440 and so the you know, the imperial strategy has been explicitly formulated for more 328 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:56,319 than a century now, and I think that all the all the all the 329 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:07,680 ideological, um and philosophical aspects of this are only you know, a cellophane 330 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:15,119 wrapping on what is essentially an economic interest. And the way you would would 331 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,200 you would have a free reign to exploit this economic interest is to make sure 332 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,920 that no power can oppose you and that no power can challenge you. And 333 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:34,920 then it's always your financial system that finances the the exploitation of any particular geography. 334 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,160 And that's the way it has been with the you know, imperial colonial 335 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:47,359 system for many centuries now, um. And this is what we're observing now. 336 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,519 So you know the talk about freedom, democracy, uh Poland, Germany, 337 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,920 Ukraine, Russia, all of this, it's it's all part of this 338 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:07,119 basically imperial co lonial expansionism, which cannot suffer m rivals at all. It 339 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:14,160 doesn't it doesn't at all allow for fair game, for cooperation, for trade 340 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:23,519 between fair and equal partners. All it does is it it plunders and it's 341 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:30,799 it's objective is to have those resources at the lowest possible cost. So part 342 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:36,640 of the strategy is also demand destruction so you know the geography where you where 343 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,799 you exploit resources, you have to keep those societies poor, too poor to 344 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,599 compete with you for those resources. You don't want them to develop their own 345 00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:53,920 industries and to divert the resources that you wish to exploit, and so you 346 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,200 keep them poor. And so you know, emergence of strong powers like Russia 347 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:11,359 and China and increasingly India and Iran that are able to that are able to 348 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,400 resist the dictator of the empire is unacceptable. And this is also why speaking 349 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:25,000 of Brasisianski doesn't want multipolarity, because all the nations are preferably meant to be 350 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:32,000 kept weak and impoverished. And so anyway to wrap it up, I think 351 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,759 that we always have to keep in mind that this isn't this is the driver 352 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,200 of the strategy is always economic interests. Thank you, thank you. Alex 353 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,519 Crainer, Yeah, I absolutely. You know, there's a lot of talk 354 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,119 with Brasynski and then with the project of from a new American centuries of maintaining 355 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:59,279 American dominance, and a lot of people believe that's just dominant for pure powers 356 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:06,440 sake, or a sort of nationalist chauvinism or vanity U and being the hegemon. 357 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,079 But no, it's absolutely economic. Um, you know the culture imposing 358 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:15,039 your culture globally is because you're if your culture is the dominant culture and you're 359 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:22,119 setting the pace, as Brazinski says, setting the pace culturally, then you 360 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,160 will follow on with the economic benefits to capitalize on that culture as it exports. 361 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,559 And in terms of geopolitics, it's always been for the US opening markets, 362 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,359 maintaining markets for transnational corporations. Can I can I add to? He 363 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,400 also has a section, by the way, a Strategic Vision, where he 364 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,119 talks about the importance of Hollywood being exported to all these cultures. So of 365 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:51,960 all things, as she talks about Hollywood as a tool of Americanism to you 366 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,920 know, spread the idea of economic basically all life being organized around economics, 367 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,079 which you know, essentially backing up everything that you guys were just saying, 368 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:10,839 yeah, yes, if if I'm it. Just just to finish at the 369 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,400 main driver of the of all this is that if you control the geography, 370 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:22,400 if you control these nations, then you also control the resources, which is 371 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,319 the collateral on the basis of which you then build up your own financial assets. 372 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,839 So it's you know, in the background. It's always the banking interests 373 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,880 who are the driver of imperial overreach, which is you know why, behind 374 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:46,000 you know Britchinsky and Henry Kissinger you find ultimately the Rockefellers and the Rothels and 375 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,079 and so forth. It's always the It's always the bankers who are driving. 376 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,440 And now that they are at risk of losing their hedgemony and even losing the 377 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,039 way to return it by losing the war in Ukraine, you have also seen 378 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:07,240 that it's it's the bankers who are in a in a massive panic. And 379 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:13,519 you know the A few weeks ago, we saw a City Group vice president 380 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:20,360 Julie Julie Monaco, who was there sitting in on a panel saying that we 381 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,760 have to win this war. You know, since when is since when is 382 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,599 the vice president of I forget I forget her title exactly, But it has 383 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,559 nothing to do with foreign funding. Since when is a person like that suddenly 384 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,599 going we have to win the war. That just tells you everything you need 385 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:45,239 to know about empire and about who is the driving force between between permanent wars 386 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,079 in the world. No, definitely, Alex and I saw the USAID conference. 387 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:55,119 Uh, this was last month. Samantha power herself was there holding court 388 00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:00,079 with all of the top transnational corporates and their brands in the world. Nestlee, 389 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:05,400 I might have seen Unilever or these types of companies. They're all there 390 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,920 for mapping out the future opportunities in Ukraine post war opportunities. So get in 391 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,800 early and build up your brand loyalty with the Ukrainian population was her message. 392 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,239 And so it's just so it's a pretty incredible front by the US. They're 393 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,880 absolutely confident that this is going to go their way in the end, and 394 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,800 they're already lining up their corporate stakeholders. And quincidentally, Alex, did you 395 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:37,840 see black Rock fly into Kiev only a few days ago to meet the president 396 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,719 Zelenski? And I think there were there were a whole team of black Rock 397 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,559 people there and then Zelensky and I think his right hand, and that was 398 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,880 it is almost like they were issuing orders to Zelensky. What are your thoughts 399 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,840 on that one? Well, yes, you know they are. They're panicked 400 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,960 because they're losing, and they're you know, their good collateral is going to 401 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,880 be knocked out of their hands. And then a few weeks before that, 402 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:15,920 it was JP Morgan representatives who flew into Kiev, and we know that City 403 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,159 and JP Morgan and Goldman, Saxon, black Rock have very extensive investments in 404 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:25,719 Ukraine. But you know, if they can't control Ukraine politically, then they 405 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,880 lose the privileged access to UM funding all the development. So you know, 406 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:37,840 now they're going there showing a brave faith. They're promising reconstruction. You know, 407 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:49,039 the fact that they're losing the war only makes it ever more urgent to 408 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:58,400 conceal it, because that is there. They will be punished in the capital 409 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000 markets, you know, because this is this is not advertised, this is 410 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:08,360 not talked about, this is not transparent. But there their books, their 411 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,199 business, their assets depend on the collateral, and once it comes clear to 412 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,880 the financial markets that they're losing the collateral, their business is going to implode. 413 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,800 A lot of the a lot of the assets that they have on their 414 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:30,639 books, the debts that they carry are going to become worthless. And it's 415 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,360 going to show in the markets before we know anything else about it, you 416 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,360 know, and well you know, the banking stocks are already creating. And 417 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,760 I think this is partly the reason, and this same principle. I'm sorry, 418 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,639 I don't want to take too much time. But this same principle I 419 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,800 was, I was sure its good was going to play out. UM in 420 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,159 August two thousand and twenty one, if I'm if I'm not mistaken, when 421 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,760 the United States withdrew from Afghanistan, and then from that moment on you could 422 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:09,840 see the sovereign bonds of the of the EU, the United States, and 423 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:20,519 the UK practically from that time they started nose diving. It's all connected, 424 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,800 even if it's not. UM. You know, you can't really draw a 425 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:30,000 straight line between one series and the other series. But the markets do react 426 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,800 to these things, and we're going to see them react. And I think 427 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:39,840 that the banking sector in the West isn't a huge world of trouble. Yeah, 428 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,840 thank you, Alex, Yeah, one hundred percent. That Alex editor 429 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,519 of The Naked Edgy. That's his website. You want to follow Alex Craner's 430 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,960 work, and also he's author of a number of books specializes in the financial 431 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,559 markets and looking at these sort of trends as they relate to geopolitics and and 432 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:04,039 this this is also one of the fundamental if there's a defect in Prasinski, 433 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,719 he has a few fundamental UM flaws, you could say blind spots. One 434 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:15,079 of them is as far as Ukraine goes, he really Brazynski really believed that 435 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:21,199 they need, they shouldn't be a satellite of Russia. And I'm sort of 436 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,199 like thinking to myself, well, it's more than a satellite as far as 437 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:31,320 Russia's concerned, because of their geostrategic and national security concerns. But he believed 438 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,400 that only Russia could really manipulate Ukraine, um for Russia's own interest, that 439 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:45,480 that was the only foreign power that could manipulate Ukraine, and and you know, 440 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,519 to take advantage of it as it were, And his idea for Ukraine's 441 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:58,079 future was to prepare it in any way possible for European Union membership. In 442 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,039 the latter part of his career, he said that that's a single singular focus. 443 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,719 Whatever it needs to happen, that needs to happen, needs to be 444 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,719 joining the EU, to become more European, to become more modern, more 445 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,599 pluralistic. And I think what's happened since, especially since twenty fourteen in the 446 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:24,320 Maidanku has been anything but. And again that's the departure from the idealistic pragmatism 447 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:32,199 of Prasinski. To the reckless, destructive neiokon policies of the Victoria New Lens 448 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:37,960 of the world. You can see there's definitely a departure there and it's not 449 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:45,159 the it's not the Ukraine. I think that Prasinski had envisioned us certainly right 450 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,360 now not a great candidate for European membership, but it's not going to slow 451 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,719 down or slavonder Land trying. But Julia Kane, I see you have your 452 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:59,480 hand up, go ahead, yes, I just wanted to add to that 453 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:05,760 kind of stations. Regarding the assets, so Ukraine has been selling a lot 454 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,320 of its assets for a while, so even before Russia entry Ukraine. In 455 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:16,519 every last year, for example, there was a great scandal about the forest 456 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:28,840 from western Ukraine Zaka Patti regions. These are forests that are you cannot really 457 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,920 replenish them or restore, and they have been selling different tube. Obviously the 458 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,679 money, some of the money probably would go to the treasury, but most 459 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,800 of them, as you can imagine, with corruption going on, a lot 460 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,400 of them just stolen. And as of right now they're sending a lot of 461 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,400 plants there in national assets that have been privatized first and then they go to 462 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,440 a higher leader. Considering that there's a war in Ukraine. Assets have been 463 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,400 devolued a lot, so it keeps a great opportunity to scoop them up, 464 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,920 which is what a thing going on right now. UM. If you read 465 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,360 the news from January, um for the first time Ukraine UM um sold the 466 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,760 port in Adessa oldest So that's quite interesting as well. UM. And the 467 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,519 thing is Ukraine um uh you know has been acquiring acquiring a lot of debts 468 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,519 UM even before half every twenty fourth of last year. UM. So I 469 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,280 gave a lot of money to Ukraine, and I think that they understand that 470 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,920 Ukraine, Ukraine and government cannot really return the mind in case, so the 471 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,239 award that's going on a lot of uh, that's have been a race. 472 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:52,360 But still Ukraine is and huge debts to into to European Union. Practically healthform 473 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,880 just gives give your training money and I don't think that they will be able 474 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,519 to return that. So in this case, some of the assets that Ukraine, 475 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,480 Ukraine as a pountry holds, they will be sold. So in this 476 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,000 reminds me or what has been going on in Russian the nineties. So everyone 477 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:20,280 who who's at least a little bit familiar with what Russia has been going through 478 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,480 in the nineties, which was called Wild nineties. UM. So the Yaton 479 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:31,320 administration was consulted by a lot of American specialists, including CIA, and the 480 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,280 same thing has been going on. So a lot of assets, a lot 481 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:44,840 of plants, a lot of fabrics would is stolen or just sold for cheap, 482 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,519 mostly to America, which American you know, to American citizens. So 483 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:59,320 in um even you know, some some of the advisors to Bill Clinton said 484 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:07,519 that the United States practically bought Ussrum for like one pen yiond dollars, which 485 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,880 is not you know, surprising um in. In in retrospect, Ukraine will 486 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,480 go through to the same process, which is kind of sad because they were 487 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:24,559 part of the history of Russia and they could just you know, uh take 488 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:30,159 it in a lesson, but right now they're just selling off everything. Um 489 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:38,840 In. I think that they will go through the same time as Russia went 490 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,239 through in the nineties. Um And it took Russia a while to actually recover, 491 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,519 um which coincided with the putting taken over. Um So probably the same 492 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,960 thing will happen in Ukraine. Yeah, I think, well, quite a 493 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,000 bit of that did happen in Ukraine in the nineties. I think George Soros 494 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:06,760 himself has boasted about how well he did as a as a as a hedge 495 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,800 fund or a corporate raider, uh in you know, basically assets stripping, 496 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,840 uh you know, former state and former national industries in Ukraine during his tour 497 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,000 in the nineties. And George Source has done many such tours around the world. 498 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,239 But yeah, that's that's an interesting point. The other thing, uh, 499 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,159 Julia, is that the you know, the United States especially is well. 500 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,280 I won't pick on anybody for partisan reasons, but in terms of the 501 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:42,719 Democrat donor class. Uh, they've used Ukraine as an ATM machine for quite 502 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,519 a few years, especially since this second term of Barack Obama, and they 503 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,519 saw the privat Bank scandal is a good example. A lot of people point 504 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:57,679 at Hunter Biden working for Barisma, and you know, they make a big 505 00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:01,320 deal about his eighty grand a month job. He has no experience, he 506 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,840 doesn't have to show up to work, and he coined a you know, 507 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,559 a few million, I don't know, five million or so, I'm not 508 00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:13,760 sure what the total was by the end of it, and his father going 509 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,760 to going to Ukraine. He went thirteen times Joe Biden as vice president, 510 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,239 thirteen trips to Ukraine I think at least, and one of those trips he 511 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:31,840 threatened to withhold one point two billion in loans to the Ukraine if they didn't 512 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,039 fire their prosecutor, Shoken, and I believe Shoken at the time. My 513 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:45,239 understanding is from the Ukrainian press that he was investigating scandal regarding Barissma. But 514 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:51,360 that's not all. Also Barisma and its owner's role in the sovereign debt scandal. 515 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,480 So there is money laundering going on. They're issuing these sovereign bonds or 516 00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,280 money is being siphoned out of the national budget, and somehow that money goes 517 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,719 offshore via offshore bank accounts, goes through a US investment house that's connected right 518 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,440 up to the top of Black black Rock and the Democrat downer classes called Templeton 519 00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:19,559 Franklin Investments, and then the money comes back to purchase the sovereign debts and 520 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:23,639 with six six or six and a percent yield or something like this. And 521 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:29,159 so meanwhile, at one point this was so bad that the you know, 522 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:36,599 something like thirty over thirty percent of the Ukraine revenues state revenues are going to 523 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:43,639 service debt, sovereign debt because everyone was basically having a party on the back 524 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,960 of this country, and a lot of these were foreign, big foreign money 525 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,519 was cashing in on this, so Ukrainians getting no benefit whatsoever from it. 526 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:59,000 So that was the real scandal. Seven point two billion sovereign debt scandal that 527 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:04,519 makes Hunter Biden little chunk of change seemed pretty trivial. But it's no surprise 528 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:08,639 that the media is not covering that because both I believe they are both Republicans 529 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:14,960 and Democrats implicated in that in that scandal as well. I'll post something in 530 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,840 the nest about that because we did a good investigation into that story at twenty 531 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:25,280 first Century Wire. So that's worth that's worth commenting on. Also want to 532 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:36,079 welcome to the stage Shukri abd Rahman and former congressional candidate in Minnesota. Republican 533 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:45,239 congressional candidate, Hello Shukri, I think sugar is not available with us. 534 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,880 Guys hear me. Oh there she is, Hello Shukri. Hi. I 535 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,119 don't know why I'm keep having blitches. I can hear you, but then 536 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:57,239 when I try to speak you guys can't seem to hear me. Thank you,