1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,679 How'd you like to listen to dot NetRocks with no ads? Easy? Become 2 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:09,839 a patron for just five dollars a month. You get access to a private 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,240 RSS feed where all the shows have no ads. Twenty dollars a month, 4 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:18,839 we'll get you that and a special dot NetRocks patron mug. Sign up now 5 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:37,119 at Patreon dot dot NetRocks dot com. Hey guess what, it's dot NetRocks. 6 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:40,039 We're back. I'm Carl Franklin. That's my friend Richard Campbell. Hey 7 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:43,240 man, hey man, what's happening. Uh? You know, we're cheating 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,479 here because I think this show had some scheduling challenges, so we're recording it 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,920 right before we publish it. We have a few shows that are already in 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,159 the can from our great trip bombing around Europe. Well, you and I 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,359 were together in Porto and had got a bunch of good shows, which folks 12 00:00:57,359 --> 00:01:00,200 are going to hear. Yeah, but we're recording out of order because time 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:07,239 shifting. That's right. Hey. But I'm at home and I like home. 14 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:08,560 Home is very nice, sitting by the ocean. I love home. 15 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:11,400 Yeah, I'm a big fan. As you can see my new home. 16 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,159 Yeah, you're in your studio, the studio that I'm in. Yeah, 17 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:18,159 yeah, he loves red walls. Man, that's a thing for you. 18 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:23,200 I love the red walls and the dim lights. Okay, okay, let's 19 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:34,599 kick it off with better no a framework, run it awesome? All right, 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,640 man? What do you got? So our friends at Selliance have been 21 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:46,120 working with large language models before chat chept was even a thing. So Zeyner 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,799 Tahata, as you know, has been working with AI stuff since long, 23 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,959 long time ago. So anyway, Joe Hewan has been working on this project 24 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:02,159 and he announced it on his LinkedIn page. It's called Foundation LLM, and 25 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:07,400 it's basically the goal is to make it very easy for anyone to create co 26 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:13,719 pilots nice without you know, having to figure all the low level stuff out. 27 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:17,879 So a higher level of abstraction, yes, yeah, trustworthy and secure 28 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:24,479 enterprise co pilots. And so what I've done is I've linked to the press 29 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,719 release, which has a link to the website of course, and this is 30 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:31,800 show eighteen seventy. So if you go to eighteen seventy dot pomp dot me, 31 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,759 that'll take you there and you can read all about it. These guys 32 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,840 are brilliant, I mean, yeah, well down about it, and Cyprin 33 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,080 was involved in. Cyprin is crazy smart, like holy man, he is 34 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,680 crazy smart and also a little crazy. Yeah crazy Yeah, you guys and 35 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:53,639 your your quantum stuff. We are. Yeah. When Cyprin I get together, 36 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,639 it becomes a little storm. It comes an interesting storm. Yeah, 37 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,520 black holes collide. Well he's more of the science guy. I'm more of 38 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,800 the engineering guy. So we Yeah, it gets it goes fast. That's 39 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,120 what I'll say. Yeah, all right, so that's what I got. 40 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:08,960 No it, learn it, love it. Who's talking to us today, 41 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,879 Richard Campbell? In honor of our guests, I grabbed a comment off a 42 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:15,199 show seventeen eighty seven, which is not a show done with Jeff Fritz, 43 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:20,280 but I know that you know Jeff and I did. We did a show 44 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 with him a while back on static websites, And this is actually a comment 45 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:27,520 from the static website show we did with Stacy cash More and I grabb this 46 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,520 particular comment because Stacy couldn't answer it, but I think Jeff could. This 47 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:34,639 comment comes from Rob Garner, longtime listener. Hey Rob, are you doing? 48 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:38,080 I know you don't? Meek think you need another music to code by? 49 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,879 You've got a few, but he wrote this comedy said this was an 50 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:46,840 awesome episode. I've been working on a static web app with Azure functions application 51 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,439 for a startup, and it's been very helpful to confirm that I'm on the 52 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,199 right track. But the way that Stacey positioned it, I'm also contemplating using 53 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:59,080 this in the community college dot net course that I teach. But as you're 54 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:03,840 always scared for student use because I'm afraid of them getting a big accidental bill, 55 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,400 I wish I had a bulletproof workflow to make sure that we don't end 56 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:11,840 up with charges for students. Wow. And I'm like, Rob, that's 57 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:14,800 a brilliant idea, and I'm going to ask a guy who doesn't work an 58 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,560 Azure to fix it for us, But well, you know, we'll lay 59 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,879 it over to Jeff. We get him on there, And I I said, 60 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,240 longtime listener, a great contributor to the community, teaches people to do 61 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,439 software development all the time. Big fan of yours, Rob, Thanks so 62 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:32,639 much for everything you do. And even though you don't really need another copy 63 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,360 of music go by. If anybody would else would like one, write a 64 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:39,839 comment on the website at Donna at Rocks dot com. Or on the facebooks. 65 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:42,519 We publish every show there and if you comment there and everybody in the 66 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:44,480 show, we'll send to your copy of music go by. You know what 67 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,639 I love, Richard. I love when we're doing these live shows and you 68 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,720 read that live and people their mouths just drop like, oh, I have 69 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,600 an in Porto, didn't it? Yeah, that's exactly what happened to Porto. 70 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,079 We ripped the whole thing out. I did my usual patter and then 71 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,120 you look out at the room, use the one he called it out. 72 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,399 I didn't even call it up with the whole They were all bug eyed their 73 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:04,319 bug eye. Yeah, they're like, you really do that every time time. 74 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:10,920 Well, you can follow us on Twitter if you like. That's fine. 75 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:13,639 We were still there, but the cool kids are hanging out. I'm 76 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:17,439 Mastadon, I'm at Carl Franklin at tech hub dot social, and I'm rich 77 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,959 Campbell at mass Social. Yeah, send us a two. We read him, 78 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:26,680 and we might even read him on the air. Might actually end up 79 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:30,199 with you getting a copy of music to code buy. So do that all 80 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:33,120 right, Jeff Fritz, you're here. Uh, I don't know as if 81 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,680 you need an introduction, but I can go back in time a little bit. 82 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,040 We first met you at tech ed somewhere for speaker Idol, which I 83 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,199 believe you won or you came in runner up or something, but it was 84 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:48,600 a JavaScript testing for no. I came in dead last, all right, 85 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,519 because I loved it. As I recall, I've been a fan of years 86 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,040 ever since. I thought it was great. It was a JavaScript testing framework 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,839 and this is right two thousand something, twenty twelve. Yeah, and I 88 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,839 think I've actually seen you that you've seen it the year before, and it's 89 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,759 like, I got to do that, yes, And I said, you 90 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,920 know, I think you asked me, and I said, listen. The 91 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:13,680 tricky we always recruit the same way out of tech d. You have to 92 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,519 submit a to submit more talk or more get turned down. Easy to do 93 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,040 a tech ed and then come to the show anyway. Yeah, because I 94 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:26,639 don't have a T and E. It's it's always interesting that I'll introduce myself 95 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,720 to folks at Microsoft. And there's a thing at Microsoft when you meet new 96 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:33,800 new employees or whatever, there's always a question of how long have you been 97 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:39,000 with the company, how did you get your start with Microsoft? And I 98 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,639 just casually mentioned, oh, I lost a game show. Yeah, but 99 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,680 it's testament to the power of that little thing. I gave you a speaker 100 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,839 idol five minutes to do a talk and you get you know, even that 101 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:53,560 people that didn't win got noticed by Microsoft. Now you work there, Oh 102 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,680 yeah, and I do. Yeah, and you did and it was Yeah. 103 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,839 So you're on the ASPNAT team and Blazer is your thing, right, 104 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,279 I'm I am on the dot net and we call it the dot Net and 105 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Visual Studio Community Team. Yeah, okay, all right, so but you're 106 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,839 you're mister Blazer over there. I do. I talk a lot about Blazer 107 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,920 and building demos and writing some of the training material that folks get on Microsoft 108 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Learn. And you've done a whole lot of stuff live on Twitch over the 109 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:25,160 years. I might be. I think I'm closing in on a thousand episodes 110 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,120 on Twitch. That's awesome. So it'll be five years for me this November. 111 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,839 That's a faster cadence then we got to a thousand, that's for sure. 112 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,279 There was a time in there where I was doing four streams a week. 113 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:41,000 Yeah, I had a lot of work, man, that's a lot 114 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:44,519 when we published three shows a week. Yeah, but you clearly yeah, 115 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:46,959 it was Hey, I do want to call back to Rob's comment because I 116 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,040 do there's a whole section of four teachers in Azure. Isn't there like a 117 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,519 bunch of services around that there? There is You can absolutely as as a 118 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,600 teacher, as an educator, you can get in touch with us. There 119 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,079 are plans that you can sign up for. But I want to make sure 120 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,639 that folks also know, particularly if you're using azuro static websites, there's a 121 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:15,360 free plan in there that you can use like free free you you have a 122 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,360 limit as to how much function as your functions work happens. But the static 123 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:26,079 content that it's serving free free, free no issues, not free as in 124 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,600 you know this is free as in beer like this is yeah? Is that 125 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:33,639 the funny kind of free? Not free like a puppy? Right? But 126 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,799 also the point is that you can configure the count so is like as soon 127 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,120 as I have a charge, just turn me off. Yes, that's right. 128 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:45,399 There's budget limitations that you can configure on your account. It's real easy 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,120 to dial that up and down to however much you're comfortable with, right, 130 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:56,840 and you'll you'll get alerts as you reach certain thresholds nearing that that that dollar 131 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:03,039 amount even if that dollar amount is zero. Yes, awesome, well, 132 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,519 and it's great. I thought that was the answer, but I thought I'd 133 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,399 rather have it coming to from a Microsoft person so they have somebody to go 134 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:15,919 after rather than me. That's right, because you can't check as you can't 135 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,799 check a blue budget badge under the bus. Who can you check? Now? 136 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,360 I've got a target on my chest. Thank you so much. We're 137 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,559 here to help, Jeff, We really are. That was a career advancing 138 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:31,360 move. There you go, just did there you go? So dot net 139 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,120 comf is coming up here, woo yes, Oh my gosh, it's my 140 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,440 favorite time of the year. Love tell me something. I mean, don 141 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,600 comf is very popular and people tune in. And I guess it was born 142 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,840 during the pandemic maybe oh even before then pandemic. Okay, So dot net 143 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:52,200 comp started as mvc comp way back in the day, all right, and 144 00:09:52,440 --> 00:10:00,840 we were connecting folks and dialing them in US using the old Windows phone calling 145 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,600 software. It was wow, are you trying not to say skypery? Is 146 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,840 that what you're doing? No, it was even before Skype, oh my 147 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,559 god, the old Windows meeting software. But I guess what I'm saying is 148 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,960 It sort of took off during COVID, didn't it during the pandemic? No, 149 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,320 not, it was it was actually taking off before then. Okay, 150 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:24,440 we were in growing twice today. Oh no, No, it's something we 151 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:30,639 don't We aren't with dot net Conf. We aren't out there publishing the numbers 152 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,639 and showing trends on how it's growing. We definitely saw a peak in the 153 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,679 twenty twenty dot net confedition because it was such a point where, you know 154 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,519 what, folks weren't going to events anyway. Yeah, and we were able 155 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,799 to bring everybody in and put them in that comfortable event that we all know 156 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,679 when love and that's been around now for I think this is the thirteenth edition 157 00:10:54,799 --> 00:11:01,519 of the event. What's your thoughts as to people tuning in online to dot 158 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,080 conference is going to in person conferences that Microsoft does. I think there's a 159 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:15,320 place for both. However, the presentation of an all virtual event like dot 160 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:20,360 net Con has immense reach. Everybody in the world can participate, and that's 161 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,879 something that we strive to make sure that everybody has access to and that we 162 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,480 really want everybody to be a part of and to feel welcome into. To 163 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:37,480 the point that we go thirty two hours straight from nine am on day two 164 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,279 all the way through to five pm Pacific times of course five pm Pacific on 165 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,759 day three. That way, over that thirty two hours, everybody's going to 166 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,720 get a slice of the day that is on their time zone, that is 167 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,399 in their normal daylight hours, so they don't have to wake up in the 168 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,840 middle of the night in order to tune in and see what's going on. 169 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,799 Well, I've always liked this of Yeah, it's the launch of the next 170 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,600 version of dot net, which has been true in the past but three years. 171 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,759 But then also it's the community part of let's go around the world, 172 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,320 and it's this, hey, we're coming to to you from such and such 173 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,080 a location all the way around. That to me is the coolest bit. 174 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,320 Yeah, and there's those couple of hardcore guys, right, I'm thinking of 175 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,440 the elders of the world that try and watch the whole twenty four hours. 176 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:30,679 There are a few folks that we will see hanging out there through the entire 177 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,799 stream, and it's amazing that they're hanging through. But it's you don't need 178 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:41,080 to it's all recorded, it's all going to be made on YouTube later. 179 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,440 So do you do eight hours live like on the West Coast, and then 180 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:52,039 repeat those overnight, or is there always something being streamed live and always from 181 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,799 the West coast? A little bit of both. So day one we're going 182 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,879 to be live streaming all of Day one, So it's actually hours on day 183 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:05,000 one because we have an hour long keynote right up at the front. After 184 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,840 that's over, we'll issue a repeat. We'll have some repeat playback through the 185 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,639 evening broadcast from the West coast of the United States. When we get to 186 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:20,440 day two, we'll have eight hours being broadcast mostly live from the West Coast. 187 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,679 There's a couple of folks that are going to be dialed in and presenting 188 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,879 remotely. But at the end of day two air quotes. It's weird doing 189 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,960 air quotes on the radio. I need to figure out a way to do 190 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,320 that. And so at the end of day two, so we hit five 191 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:46,480 pm Pacific time, we switch over and we'll have community folks that are broadcasting 192 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:48,879 from everywhere in the world. So of course we're going to pick up with 193 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:54,039 folks on the West Coast, anywhere on the West coast of the United States, 194 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,480 Canada, Mexico, South America, folks in Hawaii, and we start 195 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,879 picking up with folks in Australia and the East Coast of Asia. We've even 196 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:09,879 got speakers coming into us from China this year, so we're really looking forward 197 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:16,519 to folks everywhere being able to connect in and present live all night long, 198 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:22,879 no recorded content. However, if there is content that folks aren't entirely interested 199 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:28,519 in, there might be a slightly different topic. We have other folks that 200 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,600 didn't quite make the cut for live presenting or that aren't weren't available to present 201 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:37,879 live that we typically would have released as pre recorded content, but instead we 202 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,799 decided this year, let's publish and have a premiere of their content live on 203 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:50,000 YouTube as the event goes on. So it'll almost be like Room two happening 204 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,519 over there, and there'll be subject matter experts hanging out in chat of those 205 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,919 broadcasts to help out with answering questions and foster some of the conversation that happens. 206 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,440 That's very cool. And of course YouTube can you know, translate into 207 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:09,600 immediately into any language, so you've got captions for anybody speaking any language. 208 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,039 Absolutely, so do you ever get people that say, you know, can 209 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,600 you have presentations in my language? We tried that a couple of years ago, 210 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,600 we tried saying, hey, you know what, if you're a local 211 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:28,279 speaker that has a different native language and you'd like to use your language, 212 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,559 go ahead. It wasn't well received by the audience during those few sessions, 213 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:41,559 so we stick to English for the presentations and then we'll have translations available afterwards. 214 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Interesting. Yeah, you know, we're just not that far away from 215 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:48,440 the technology being good enough that you might hear it in real time translated audibly 216 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:54,200 too. But I have heard over and over again. It's like folks like 217 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,600 hearing it in the native language and then maybe subtitled or something else like that. 218 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,519 So I know, if I'm watching a TV show and it's you know, 219 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,919 let's say it's a cooking show from Brazil, and you can hear them 220 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:15,200 speaking Portuguese very low, and then there are Americans that have you know, 221 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,960 or English speaking people that do the overlay, and I never like it as 222 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:25,440 much because I mean, I don't like that if somebody's going to overdub overdubb, 223 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,799 I don't want to hear both languages and one more quiet. I don't 224 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,519 know, what do you think, did well, didn't we see a little 225 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:36,200 bit of an experiment with this from the Netflix folks with the Squid Game shows, 226 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,480 where it was available both as dubbed into your local language or as the 227 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:48,440 original Korean with subtitles. I did like the dubbed in version of that, 228 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:53,320 just because I got to focus on the action. Such an action oriented series 229 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,360 like that. Yeah, I didn't want to have to read as much as 230 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,559 a as a ink. Did you hear the Korean like low volume in the 231 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:07,079 background at the same time, I can't remember. Yeah, that's what drives 232 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,160 me nuts. It's just noise because I don't speak Korean. That's why I'm 233 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:18,160 listening in English. Anyway. It's really cool what dot net comf has done. 234 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,680 And I know Richard's been involved in it a couple of times. And 235 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,079 what's your involvement this year, Richard? I occasionally, because I'm local relatively 236 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,279 speaking, I can drive down, grab a night in a hotel, or 237 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:34,440 stay with a friend. I will take a shift calling out the various talks 238 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,880 like basically doing the mc gig typically the VJ Yeah, the four hour bit. 239 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,079 And you know, as is true of all mc gigs, it's pretty 240 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,759 easy. Like you call out the sponsors, you talk about the next thing 241 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:52,599 you do a handoff right up until something goes wrong, and you've always got 242 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:55,680 that little voice piece in your ear, and so then the director says, 243 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,519 hey, next, talk's not ready Phil for five on you go, And 244 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,519 you, as I do, too, have a lot of experience and just 245 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,759 tap dancing when things go wrong, don't we. Yeah, we have a 246 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:12,480 lot of practice. No, that's I think that those rough edges around a 247 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:17,880 live event like this are what make it so interesting, because I agree, 248 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,119 right, we're developers. We want to see how things are put together. 249 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:26,039 We want that experience of knowing that, hey, the folks that are broadcasting 250 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:33,880 and presenting, we're real people too, and we're out there for folks to 251 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:40,200 interact with and respond to. There's always lots of great interactions through social media 252 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,160 for dot dot com, right, yeah, And that's the other job of 253 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,079 the MC is to pull the questions from the board and send them to the 254 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,759 guests. And I've also had the experience where in a fill it's like, 255 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:52,240 here's a couple of questions that are not necessarily ready to that guest, but 256 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,720 I can answer them, and I would off, I'd go, and I'll 257 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,559 fully admit to pulling the Hey, I don't actually work for Microsoft, so 258 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:03,039 I suspect I could answer this question differently than a Microsoft person would, and 259 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:07,799 I'll find going that one too. Yeah, there's a couple of those questions 260 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:11,279 that come in come in. Yeah, it's it's sort of the reality of 261 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:17,240 triaging a Q and A. I want to get back to this idea of 262 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,440 how the landscape has changed for Microsoft development outreach. You know, since the 263 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:30,039 advent of internet video and everything. Before Channel nine, the regional directors sort 264 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:37,920 of had the job of distributing information from Microsoft to the to the local communities. 265 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:44,279 And that's why we were called regional directors because our job. We had 266 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:48,359 one job, and that is they did a local events, you know, 267 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,519 in different regions every year called dev Days, and the regional director's job was 268 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,519 to do a keynote, often with hardware, right, They would send you 269 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,960 boatloads of machines and stuff and you would have to run through the demo and 270 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,559 a script and everything, and your job was to sort of be that liaison 271 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:11,079 between Microsoft and the community. But that was before YouTube, before Channel nine. 272 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,359 When Channel nine came around, I think the job that and DEV Day's 273 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,440 kind of stopped, right, and so the regional directors were like, well, 274 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,640 Microsoft regional director. We don't work for Microsoft, we don't have a 275 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,039 region, we don't direct anything. What do we do? You know, 276 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:33,319 we struggled to find our role in how we could help Microsoft. So then 277 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,079 of course Channel nine boom, right, and people were tuning in and watching. 278 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:41,680 I love Channel nine because it was you know, somebody would just take 279 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,240 a video camera into Scott Guthrie's office and just sit down and chat with him. 280 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,640 What are you working on? You know, it was very very informal, 281 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,759 and I kind of I think people kind of like that. But then 282 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:59,839 you know, as we get to dot net comp and it's various previous incarnation, 283 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,279 it really just went to a whole new level. So just as an 284 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:11,799 aside, Channel nine does it still exist, it's it's not quite the same. 285 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:19,559 The studios are there, they're not quite broadcasting and putting together frequent content 286 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,559 like they were. More or less you see their output on the various Microsoft 287 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:29,160 branded YouTube channels. Yeah, and that's smart. I mean not even United 288 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:33,200 uses the term Channel nine anymore, right, Like that's where it came from. 289 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:34,839 Was this idea that you used to be able to listen in to what 290 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,000 the pilots we're talking about on the flight right, and that seemed to be 291 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:44,079 the intent to that. Yeah, so we know that conference about dot net 292 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,680 eight, so there's going to be a keynote. Imagine you're gonna talk a 293 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,519 little bit about dot net A. But what else can we expect? So 294 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,759 we tinkered with something last year. We try and experiment every year with the 295 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:59,440 event, trying new things. We want to get more folks involved, we 296 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:03,559 want to get more folks excited about things happening with dot net. So last 297 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,559 year we tried this idea of an education zone, a student hub that gets 298 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:14,160 folks that are new to dot net introduced and exposed to some of the various 299 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,720 things that are going on around the product, and it went very well last 300 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:22,079 year, so that's coming back. This is a day zero event. So 301 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,319 dot net comp starts on November fourteenth, but on November thirteenth, we're going 302 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,599 to have this I believe it's a six hour series of streams that folks are 303 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:37,400 going to be able to watch all around artificial intelligence, web apps, mobile 304 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,720 apps, and game development. Now is it specifically for students. It's named 305 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,640 student Zone, but it's really for anybody who's new to dot net. Okay, 306 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,359 Yeah, So it's almost like for novices. Yeah exactly, Yeah, 307 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:52,519 very cool, But you don't want to call it the novice zone because you 308 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:56,920 don't want folks to feel like it's I don't know, but student zone makes 309 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,279 it feel like, yeah, I'm a student, I'm learning, I'm a 310 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,519 beginner who wants to get involved and see what this is all about in a 311 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:11,039 very friendly environment that makes it easy to ramp up. So lots of great 312 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,920 speakers that we have talking about all of that content. You can find a 313 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,400 link to the Student Zone that folks are interested, you can sign up and 314 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,519 register. Yeah, I've I've grabbed the link and stuck it in the show 315 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,240 notes here, so thank you so much. Yeah, here it help. 316 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:27,920 But yeah, beginner friendly area, right, because I do think that dot 317 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,079 net comp if you're not experienced dot net person, dot comf goes off like 318 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,359 a gunshot, like we're up and running. It's like and especially when you 319 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,960 talk about dot net eight, like you're talking about the eighth version of dot 320 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:45,720 net twenty four years in, like there's just a lot of stuff like if 321 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,599 you were it's good that date the day ahead to sort of get state folks 322 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,799 that are new or stable and say like this is what you can expect. 323 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,839 Here's the important bits you need to worry about. Like, in some ways, 324 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:57,519 I think you're super lucky for just coming to dot net. Now there's 325 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:02,839 a whole lot of pain you're never going to experience. Oh yeah, there 326 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,519 was. It was a painful trip getting here, it was, And dot 327 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:11,359 Net COONF is in that place where it's really more of a training event for 328 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:18,240 folks that are adjusting and moving forward the current versions of dot net dot Net 329 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,680 seven, dot Net eight. We're gonna be talking a lot about all kinds 330 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,200 of features across both of those versions during the event. But if you're a 331 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,160 beginner who's just getting in that Day zero is going to ramp you up quickly, 332 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,559 give you pointers to where you can go to learn more information, and 333 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,720 hopefully get you to a place that you're more comfortable and ready to hear what's 334 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,920 happening with the rest of the event on days one, two, and three. 335 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,799 Now that being said, how much are we gonna talk about large language 336 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:52,079 models? Is those days? Not much? I'm not going to complain because 337 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,759 toy oh boy, it's kind of overwhelmed everything lately, Like it's been nice 338 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,559 to talk about something else. It has we will. I absolutely need to 339 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,400 talk about that. We need to touch on artificial intelligence, larger language models. 340 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,079 That's absolutely something that folks want to learn about. But you know what, 341 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:15,240 folks still got to build websites. Yeah, mobile apps, native applications 342 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,839 on Windows services, cloud scale applications, IoT devices. We're going to cover 343 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:25,039 all of that during the event. Good. Yeahh that's great, But that's 344 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,920 just you know, I think about the content tree for dot net rocks being 345 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,240 a similar problem space. Oh yeah, plus maybe a little more politics than 346 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,480 necessarily what a Microsoft event would get into, like the impacts of open source, 347 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,200 that kind of thing. But if you work and see sharp the stuff 348 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,799 for you, if you're dealing with Blazer or this stuff for you, like 349 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,119 all those lins. Like I'm trying to decide what tags to put into this 350 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,920 show, and it's like, I think it's all of them. Yeah, 351 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,039 we're going to touch on a lot of things. Yeah. I actually I 352 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,640 put together a list of ten sessions that I think must watch. Okay, 353 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,720 for folks, the typical folks that are going to be watching dot net cof. 354 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Now, if you're more focused on web than other technologies, you may 355 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,440 adjust this, But I put together a list of ten sessions that I think 356 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,240 are going to be really good to tune in. All right, Well, 357 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,480 before you go down that list, we should break for this very important message. 358 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:27,519 Yeah, oh, I could use a snack, and we're back. 359 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,480 Jeff Scott is snack and it's dot net Rocks. I'm Richard Campbell. That's 360 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:36,759 Carl Franklin. Hey, hey, those munching noises you hear are Jeff Fritz 361 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,480 And we're talking a little bit about talking about about dot net cof and okay, 362 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,759 what are the cannot miss sessions of dot net cough? All right, 363 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,920 Now I'm a little biased because I'm a bit of a web developer. Okay, 364 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,319 I'm a lot biased. Okay, So here we go with the top 365 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,480 ten list that that I put together that I I really want to watch. 366 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:07,640 Number one with a bullet it's easily the one of the most popular sessions every 367 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,240 year. What's new in c sharp twelve with Matts Tourgerson and Dustin Campbell. 368 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,839 Yeah, all right, so the people who bring you the new version of 369 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,519 c sharp, what we've been up to the past year, right, Like, 370 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,400 okay, yeah, show me show me all the cool new stuff I 371 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,400 can do with the language. Because that's that's important. Yeah, And we 372 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,680 were just in Europe and see and saw Mads in Warsaw talking. He has 373 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,200 a version pieces of that that he fit into an hour for the Warsaw audience. 374 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,680 So absolutely, you know, it's amazing to see twelve versions of a 375 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,240 language, and definitely from the people who are making it. Oh yeah. 376 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,680 The second session that I recommend folks to check out is packing Light with vs 377 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,279 code and c sharp DevKit with Burke Holland and Leslie richardson Interesting. I am 378 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,680 a big fan of c sharp DevKit and vs code because a couple months a 379 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:03,359 year I spend dedicated in Lenox writing code in Linux. I want to do 380 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,440 my C sharp development, Blazer ASPNT development working with Azure on a Linux machine. 381 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,240 I want to spend a month or two on my Mac and get outside 382 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:18,200 the right The friendly confines of visual Studio and vs code and c sharp DevKit 383 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,920 are so cool to use in those environments, So I make sure I want 384 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,759 to make sure that folks check that out because it really is a nice experience. 385 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,720 And not to just derail things here though, but what's your response to 386 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000 so C sharp DevKit we don't need studio anymore? Right, like this is 387 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,039 the end of studio. It's not the end of studio, it's right. 388 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:42,160 C Sharp DevKit just gives you the way to organize your code the same way 389 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:48,039 you do in studio, and it gives you that same language server feature that 390 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,920 you had in studio that is really robust, really clean, and quite frankly 391 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,759 at high speed like you're used to in Visual Studio. There's all kinds of 392 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:03,640 other features in Visual Study that you aren't even touching it sure with VSC, 393 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,000 I've also found I've been talking to a few groups now who are starting who 394 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,799 were using it before it was in general release, and it was we have 395 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,599 team members who who are typically web developers who've never worked in studio. They 396 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,440 don't want to work in studio, and they couldn't see the project. They 397 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,599 were working on their own stuff. But it was always a bit of an 398 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,920 integration problem when it came down to the you know, the overall suite of 399 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,400 things. So making them sort of full citizens of the project seem like a 400 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,599 great compliment, like that's that's a good thing, as folks are discovering how 401 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,920 projects and solutions work together that we've been accustomed to in studio for decades now 402 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,039 they're getting the organization of that and going huh yeah, yes, this this 403 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000 makes sense to me now. Yeah, so just more people able to work 404 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,119 together. And I like that and it's a it's a great feature. Yeah, 405 00:29:53,240 --> 00:30:00,480 do the Visual Studio proper project templates map over? Can you actually open 406 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,559 those? Like? Can I create a new Blazer web app? And it 407 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,480 already has all this stuff put in there? Yes, it does because the 408 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,799 dot Net templates are coming off of the dot net Cli, so it loads 409 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,920 up in seas and they have the shared template model. Yeah that's great. 410 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,160 Yeah. Yeah, Speaking of Blazer, you know, you and I are 411 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,440 doing a little something at dot net com. We are. We'll be talking 412 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,480 about Blazer puzzles. The game show segment of the third day will be pausing 413 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,640 and talking about a few Blazer puzzles for folks getting into dot net eight with 414 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:42,359 Blazer. So, Blazer Puzzle dot Com is a new show that Jeff and 415 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,559 I are doing there. The episodes are like ten twelve minutes each and we 416 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,960 posit a problem. We say, here's some simple code, why doesn't it 417 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,359 work? Or you know, implement feature X or something along those lines. 418 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,079 It's a puzzle and yeah, as I say, we got what ten or 419 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:04,720 eleven episodes out there, and we're going to be doing one live at dot 420 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:10,480 net comp. Maybe we'll do two or three or maybe revisit one. Not 421 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,200 sure, but we're gonna do something again. Definitely got to do a callback 422 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,240 to a past one. That's a great idea and to see how people responded 423 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,839 to it, and then maybe the new puzzle could be Okay, now do 424 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:26,920 this in dot net A there you go. Yeah, number three all right, 425 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,680 so number three I have dot net Love's AI with John Maida and Scott 426 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,920 Hanselman. Who's John Maida? Wow? So John Mayida is actually an artificial 427 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,720 intelligence luminary. This guy's been around the artificial intelligence field for years and was 428 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,160 even he was embedded with MIT. He's been working at a number of organizations 429 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:52,000 promoting and diving into really some of the foundational things that we take for granted 430 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,799 in the AI field today. Interesting. So they're going to be talking about 431 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:02,400 some of the things that we can do from a very wide scope with artificial 432 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,440 intelligence in dot net. Is he relatively recent to Microsoft. He is, 433 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,599 He's only been with us for just a few years, but making a big 434 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,559 difference in how we engage and promote AI across all the products across Microsoft. 435 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:22,680 I mean, I just like that that Microsoft is building out this cadre of 436 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,960 folks who've been involved in this space a lot longer than chat GPT's been around. 437 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,640 So it's just such a bunch of technologist running around. But like kind 438 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,680 of best and brightest. He was one of the twenty one people you need 439 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,519 to know for the twenty first century. Yeah, how about that? Huh, 440 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:45,519 Like that's a heck of a list from Forbes. That's kind of crazy. 441 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,480 Yeah, so okay, that just being on a Forbes list is serious 442 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,839 cred. That's one thing right there. But yeah, no, he kind 443 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,680 of that's really interesting, So okay, that's definitely worth a grab, all 444 00:32:55,759 --> 00:33:01,079 right. Next one is improving application telemetry with net eight and open telemetry. 445 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:07,079 Noah Fulck and Sam Spencer are talking about this. Wow, taking our logging 446 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,400 to the next level, really right. I Mean, when you're locking messages 447 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,079 from your applications, you want to have that caught and displayed somewhere, and 448 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,799 there's all kinds of tools that do that, but open telemetry really is that 449 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,119 gateway that's going to make it available to be displayed anywhere. So I want 450 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:29,640 to see this one and learn about how I can use things like Prometheus with 451 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:34,160 my dot net applications. Interesting, steal a fire, steal a fire, 452 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:39,160 sorry to say it. After that, there's dot net container advancements in dot 453 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,319 net eight. Our friends Chet Husk and Richard Lander are talking about this. 454 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,839 I feel like the container story just gets better and better each year. Dot 455 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,960 Net seven you can build directly into containers. Now even more advancements with our 456 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,839 containers getting smaller and better across not just x eighty six x sixty four processors, 457 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,400 but ARM processors, so I can deploy to right to machines running ARM 458 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,599 like my Raspberry pies. Really cool stuff. It to me, the big 459 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,920 thing about running and containers is I want to be sure that my software causes 460 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,840 no side effects and is not is impacted by no side effects. It's taking 461 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,320 that cookie cutter works on my machine application, and it's going to work the 462 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,960 same everywhere else. Yeah. Sure, what you put it in a container. 463 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,960 What you're saying is it works on my machine because it's my machine, 464 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,000 right Like you're literally in a contata that says there's nobody elseres here about me. 465 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,599 I live alone, absolutely, So I want to talk about another AI 466 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,679 session for number six here, Okay, create an enterprise copilot extension for visual 467 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,960 studio code through semantic Kernel. This is with kinfey Low. So now we're 468 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,480 talking about helping make visual studio code better with your own syntax, your own 469 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:59,960 content. I like that. What's semantic kernel? So semantic kernel is a 470 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:06,199 is a tool that lets you build your own model, your own capabilities to 471 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:12,639 interact with and train so that you can then get answers to questions appropriately for 472 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,159 whatever topic it is that you're working on. So I guess it's a higher 473 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,679 level of distraction than working directly with models and training and yeah, yeah, 474 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,840 the short answer would be it's generating your own chat GPT, right, But 475 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,440 there's more functionality that you can dial into it besides just ask it a question. 476 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:38,000 You can actually hand off to functions and things that'll perform computation. Well 477 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,199 maybe similar to foundational m Yeah sounds all on the same lines, along the 478 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,440 same lines. Yeah, not a bad thing. My big concerns with web 479 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,840 development are what are leading me into number seven? I'm always concerned about performance. 480 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,480 Number seven is improve your ASPNT core web at performance with Azure Cash for 481 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:04,280 reddis I feel like we as an industry need to get on board the Reddest 482 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,639 bandwagon here, because, oh my lord, will it make your applications better 483 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:15,159 if you're hitting a database, if you're doing any kind of cashing, don't 484 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,199 just do output cashing cash with reddess. Right, Catherine Wang and Mark Grovell 485 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,679 are going to be talking about this. I want to see what they've got 486 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,039 and learn more about how I can use Reddus better in my applications. You 487 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,840 know, that's great. I'm thinking about ms opent tech back in the day, 488 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,800 you know, twenty twelve to twenty fourteen, and that was one of 489 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,519 the very first projects they were talking about. Dot Net needs to be a 490 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,159 first class client for Reddus, right and for Elastic, Like it was those 491 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,280 kinds of these very successful platform pieces before we were really doing cloud platform the 492 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,760 way we are, and just a recognition that they came from the open source 493 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000 community and that they it wasn't easy to use them through dot net. You 494 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,280 had to jump through a lot of hoops, and so you know, ms 495 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,159 up attack made that come true. What I like about these particular talks is 496 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:06,239 like it's almost to eat your vegetables too, right, This is not just 497 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,119 like these are new bits because it's dot neta but it's like, hey, 498 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:13,280 while you're thinking about the new bits, have you picked up the stuff that's 499 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,599 been important for a while and maybe you just haven't looked at it. Because 500 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:22,280 this is important. You do not need to solve casing. It is a 501 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,440 solved problem. It is very solved. It incredibly smart people have tackled this. 502 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,360 You just need to learn it and in a half an hour session you're 503 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,360 you're gonna be on the road to set your feet out of you anyway, 504 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,800 and then you're already online, So go read further. Number eight. I'm 505 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,199 always working with database on my applications and I need to spend more time with 506 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,599 Cosmos. So number eight is building planet scale dot net apps with Azure Cosmos 507 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,840 dB from Justine Coachy. I believe this. I pronounced Justine's name here. 508 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:02,039 Cosmos has a handful of different model so that you can use not just no 509 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,880 SQL with Mongo dB like bindings, but you can use postgress in there. 510 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,920 There's a graph database that you can use in there, and you could pivot 511 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,519 and use all these things. I can't wait to hear from Justine as they 512 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:19,199 get us in and ramped up with Cosmos for dot neet developers. So's the 513 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920 thing that makes Cosmos cosmosy is that it's pushed to the edge, right, 514 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,639 push to the various regions around Azure. Yea, yeah, but it's at 515 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,280 that last mile, like it's close to where you are rather than some you 516 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,159 know, server in a data center somewhere. But you still need to have 517 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,400 an application that's out there on those data centers near it if you want to 518 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,400 take full advantage of it. Sure. Yeah. I also look at it 519 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:51,119 as an art as architecture for the right centrally read remotely sort of distributed model, 520 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,760 which again you can roll your own, and there's other open source libraries, 521 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,559 but like, this is a platform built that way from scratch, so 522 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,679 you don't need to own any of the bits, just call it and it 523 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,960 basically has a Mango dB interface a calling interface to it, like if you're 524 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,440 building, the migration from Mango to Cosmos is trivial. And because they've got 525 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,400 bindings for postgress in there also, you can use a postgress API as well. 526 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,440 Right, So there's a handful of APIs in there, not just Mango 527 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:24,039 and Postgrass, like I said graftb as well. Really cool stuff for folks 528 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:30,199 to check out. Number nine, I'm going to go a little bit outside 529 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,159 the box here. Folks are always looking at and saying, hey, check 530 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,199 out all the cool frameworks that Microsoft ships with dot net, but there's other 531 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,400 user interface frameworks that you got to check out. And I want to call 532 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,239 out a session about UNO platform. Yeah. I love those guys. Ah. 533 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,119 So this is called Elevate your Cross Platform dot Net Development with dot Net 534 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:58,480 eight from Nick Randolph and Francois Tangay There. Yeah, I want to learn 535 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,599 more about UNO and how I can use that because while I like using dot 536 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:07,800 net MAUI, I'm always open to learning other frameworks, other tools that work 537 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,960 with dot net. It's great to have options and other folks that are building 538 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,920 and helping the entire community. Yeah, without doubt, and it's one of 539 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,920 those, you know, one of those great things that there's there's more than 540 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239 one way to solve this. Those guys came from the UWP place, you 541 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,679 know, and then got all into w A like they've done some cool stuff. 542 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,960 It's great to see them on board they have. I agree, and 543 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,199 you know, we made a lot of shows in that space, not just 544 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,880 do you know about Avalonia and so forth for exactly that reason that like, 545 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,960 there's not one way to solve this problem. So you know what my last 546 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:44,840 secon, my last session I'm going to recommend is a similar third party framework 547 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,960 that I think isn't a topic that's fun and something that we can we can 548 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,079 all kind of sink our teeth into and learn a little bit about. And 549 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,360 it's about using c sharp with GOODOH to make games. For Michael Hawker, 550 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,400 do you have to wait for good I knew that one was coming. Holy 551 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:08,559 man, we could be sitting here a long time just saying so GOODOUGH is 552 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,239 an open source framework, really cool stuff to help build games. It's really 553 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,239 gotten a lot of attention over the last month or so with some of the 554 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:22,239 changes that have happened to Unity. Folks have been checking out and exploring GOODO 555 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480 a bit. Really cool stuff to hurt to hear from Michael talking about how 556 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,480 we can get started with GOODOUGH. So I'm looking forward to learning more about 557 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,280 that during our sessions. That sounds good. I'm going to take a look 558 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,639 at that one. Yeah, it's good and it's good to have some alternatives. 559 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,239 Poor old Unity. No tears shed for Unity here? Well, they 560 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,480 you know, they I get what was going on? It cost a CEO 561 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:51,400 is job. There you go, there, you go, well, we 562 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,119 don't like that. It is all right. That was a heck of a 563 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:58,119 list of ten What are you going to be doing? What am I going 564 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,199 to be doing? So I'm yeah, what are you? I'm the producer. 565 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,559 I got to make sure that this thing is running. So I typically 566 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,679 have a seat in the in the studio just off camera where I'll be watching 567 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:19,480 moderating, coordinating with the technical director and audio engineers make sure that everything's running 568 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:23,920 soundly. But I'll pop up hosting for a little bit for a few hours 569 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,679 and talking with our buddy Carl. You guys, you are going to take 570 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,719 a hosting shift. Yep, absolutely, I got to admit, like I've 571 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,679 done hosting shifts and hosting has its own challenges, but the crew behind the 572 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,559 whole project, like you can't imagine how many moving parts there are that you 573 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:45,400 don't have to think about. When you're hosting. You're just making your marks, 574 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,639 calling out the piece you need to call to, pulling up the right 575 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,800 questions and passing them along to the to the the piece that's just been done, 576 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,960 and then handing off to the next one, and all of that is 577 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,960 done by other folks that are ready to go. Dude, I've seen at 578 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:05,920 dev Intersection, what the you know, Microsoft brought like an entire studio that 579 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,239 was behind the screen to do streaming, and I was looking in there. 580 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,719 There's like twenty people, there's like seventy workstations and one hundred thousand screens. 581 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,199 It's just like whoa well that I produced and was part of that event, 582 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,280 right? That was that was the connected event in twenty eighteen. Yeah, 583 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,119 we brought to Las Vegas. We didn't they do full mirroring for that one 584 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,719 too. Like that, that's the step beyond where every demo being done on 585 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,000 stage is also being done in behind the stage, so if something went wrong, 586 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,559 they would just flip and keep going. Yeah, I can cut right 587 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:45,320 to another machine. I ever paid on pace with it. Ever since Bill 588 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,480 Gates got a blue screen during a keynote, there's been this mirroring mechanism that 589 00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:52,679 never happened again, Oh my goodness. And they spend a lot of money 590 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:59,039 to make that true. H The rest of us just eat it sometimes, 591 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,679 you know, that's the that's the glory of life coding and live present. 592 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,480 But I mean and you guys aren't that heavily produced a dot cough, Like 593 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,719 I've seen demos go sideways too, right, I mean, some stuff's recorded, 594 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880 some stuff's not. But it's like, hey, it's real life. 595 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,360 It's okay and right, And that goes back to part of making us human 596 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,920 more realistic that folks can relate to, because hey, yeah, not everything 597 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,559 is perfect all the time. We've got some rough edges, and developers deal 598 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,800 with that every day day, right. I mean you you code for an 599 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,440 hour and you hit run and you get some bugs and oh well that wasn't 600 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,079 supposed to happen, and you spend most of your time figuring it out. 601 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:45,159 I remember absolutely. I remember a d n R TV with I think it 602 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,880 might have been even Hansleman, where you guys were sort of warming up and 603 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,159 it went sideways and you left the recorders running and watching Hansoman dismantle the problem 604 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,440 and fixing it turned out to be a better show, Like that's yeah, 605 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,199 and I and I remember that he said, no, no, keep it 606 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,440 running, this will be good, just keep it going, this will be 607 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,280 fun. And yeah, it's like you know, yeah, how you solve 608 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,679 a problem is easily as interesting as demonstrating how something works. Yeah, I 609 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,280 guess the only thing you have to be careful of is that your audience is 610 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,480 time right. If it's a small window of time and they're expecting to see 611 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,119 X and they end up seeing you debugging X and never getting to the end 612 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,920 of the story. Well, and that was the advantage with the DNR TV. 613 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,480 It was a pre record. Yeah, and so you just rewrote the 614 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,559 show description. Yep. It's like, hey, instead, let me show 615 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,800 you debugging a problem that happened in real time. But I agree. So 616 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,159 it's especially good in training. You know, when something happens if you're live 617 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:42,559 coding and training and you say do you want to watch me debug this or 618 00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,679 would you like to move on? And most people will say no, figure 619 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,400 it out, I want to see this. Yeah, when when things like 620 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,159 that happen during my live streams on Twitch, if if I can get out 621 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,639 of it in ten to fifteen minutes, we'll get out. We'll try and 622 00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,400 solve this. That's a good rule. But well we'll time box it and 623 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,119 if I go to long, then we're going to move on and I'll fix 624 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,960 us off stream. You know. I did that video series with the studio 625 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,719 team and I where I talked to Leslie ridge In about the debugger, and 626 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,639 really that series was about, hey, do you remember just how good these 627 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,639 things are? And the debugger by far my favorite one because the debugger in 628 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,440 studio is unbelievably good. And Leslie made this awesome point, It's like, 629 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:29,639 who did just debugging? Like almost all of us learned it looking over someone's 630 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:35,119 shoulders. Yeah, well who that's what? Who reads crash dumps is like 631 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,239 only tests? We give it to test that. Yeah, but the debugger 632 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,320 for Visual Studio is so good and so user friendly that you don't really need 633 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,199 instructions to use it. Yeah, for the most for a certain layer of 634 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,719 features. When you get deeper into like it'll help you all the time. 635 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,199 But boy, when you know more about it, Yes, it's way cleverer 636 00:46:55,199 --> 00:47:00,719 than you realize. Like its ability is shocking. Oh yes, and I 637 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,960 wish we taught it more. Maybe, Gee, I think I'm well positioned 638 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,920 to solve that problem, aren't I Maybe I'll pursue that talk for DEVNT. 639 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,360 We should do it. We haven't. I can't tell you the last time 640 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,519 we did a show Donna rossby debug Yeah. Actually I believe Leslie's talking about 641 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:21,599 the debugger at devent this December. Yeah, yeah, you're right, she 642 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,559 will be. That's great. So and again it's like, yeah, maybe 643 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,199 we need a debugging When I'm hung talk, it's just like, hey, 644 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,960 okay, let's really take this to say, have you the same way that 645 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,880 Kathleen takes sea sharp out for a spin? And it's like, hey, 646 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,239 have you have you tried to use it this way? Have you tried this 647 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,280 feature? Maybe you still just use this technique that's a few versions ago. 648 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,519 Look at this. So our friend Bill Wagner is actually giving a session at 649 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,880 dot net com called Everyday Sea Sharp from the Guy which you wrote. He's 650 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:57,760 the book exactly. Bill's gonna dive into here's some of the latest updates and 651 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:04,119 how you may want to shift the way and bring your shift the way you 652 00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,000 write code, and bring your approach a little bit more current because the new 653 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:13,239 features that are available will allow you to write less code that runs faster and 654 00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,480 easier to read too, like simpler. Yes, you know, a little 655 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:20,159 less interpretation problem. And yeah, his book was effective c sharp, so 656 00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,159 it makes sense that he'd talk about that. But it's something I bugged Mad's 657 00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:27,159 about ages ago. It's like Hey, you know, how do you stop 658 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:29,679 people from using it the old way when you built the new ways? And 659 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,320 it's like, well, that's what tooling's all about, trying to make antalizers 660 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,719 help with that to be sure for sure? Yeah, let's let's not forget 661 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,280 writing code isn't just about making the machine do things fast, but it's about 662 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,039 letting those human eyes that are going to read your code next know what your 663 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,840 intent, even if they're own eyes. Because a week later, I'm like, 664 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,599 who wrote this? Oh wait, it's me speaking of a week later? 665 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,280 What's your plans after dot dot com? If you're going to take a 666 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,199 vacation. So I've got I've got all the post event wrap up stuff. 667 00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,079 We've got to send out reports and things and let everybody know how we did 668 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,519 all that good stuff. I'm gonna vacate. I'm gonna take a couple of 669 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,159 weeks off to be sure, But then we've got deaf Intersection in December, 670 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,719 and then I'll be taking the rest of the year off. But I will 671 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,039 see you in Orlando. Yes, well, they find your vacation, you 672 00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:29,320 find yourself traveling north to New York or Boston, you definitely should stop by. 673 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,400 I'm So I've got an interesting, interesting problem with vacation because my daughter. 674 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,599 My daughter is in the marching band at Penn State University. You see 675 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:45,360 the posts and really excited for her. And if the football team's doing well, 676 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,320 we might be traveling to see how they do and how the band is 677 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400 doing with them. Are they still doing bowls? Oh? Yes, yes, 678 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,440 your daughter participating in a bowl that's astonishing. So even if they don't 679 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:07,639 make the national championship playoff, they'll be in a bowl game, and based 680 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:12,920 on where they're ranked right now here in November twenty twenty three, we should 681 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,000 see them probably playing on New Year's you don't know where, yeah, like 682 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,440 you don't know which ball where we won't So it's like I have a plan 683 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:24,440 for New Year's. I'm going somewhere, right, This is right. This 684 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:29,960 is the challenge is we don't know where they're going until after the last of 685 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,199 the conference championship games, which are like beginning in December. Like, okay, 686 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,880 you've got three weeks go. Yeah, it's almost like go block hotel 687 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,639 rooms in a bunch of bowl locations just in case. Yeah, there'll be 688 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:51,599 there'll be blocks of rooms set aside for various fans Umni School America just hoping 689 00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,719 inn RV. Yeah, dun, dun du Who would do that? Who 690 00:50:53,719 --> 00:51:00,320 would hop in inn RV right across the country? A thing that's crazy. 691 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:05,280 Now, okay, listeners out there, what you don't know, Okay, 692 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,480 now I'm going to take over the podcast for a second. What you don't 693 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,159 know is before I got hired from my first job after losing that contest, 694 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,679 that tech that was, I met these two fellas at an RV stop in 695 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,679 Philadelphia and I brought them cheese sets, true, and that conversation led to 696 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,639 my first job. Wow in this industry. Oh where Now it was one 697 00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:29,159 of the universities that we were doing the show at, as I recall, 698 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,840 I think the Penn State University was across the way, but it was a 699 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,840 Microsoft office. Yeah, yeah, that's right back in the day. I 700 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,840 think that was a twenty twelve road trip. And wasn't that the one where 701 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,280 we were plugging ht con We were plugging HTA box and you had a yeh, 702 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,239 it was twenty fifteen when you were on the stream when we were working 703 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,000 on already where you had a tornado warning in the middle of stream, like 704 00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,960 this is a little too on the point for disaster response. But okay, 705 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,679 yeah, right, Like, why is it Whenever i get involved with the 706 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:08,559 live stream with Microsoft and I'm at home storms, heat, tornado warning, 707 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:09,920 I'm like, hey, you know what, Jeff, you don't have to 708 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,840 keep streaming. You should go get in the basement. How about that be 709 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:22,719 right back? All right? Man, Hey, this has been a lot 710 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,519 of fun. I can't wait to uh to hang out with you. It's 711 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,840 net comf and puzzling and also just to watch the great content and be involved 712 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,559 loving it. That's all. I'm excited and looking forward to it absolutely. 713 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,119 All Right, Jeff, We'll see you later, and dear listener, we'll 714 00:52:38,159 --> 00:53:05,400 talk to you next time on dot net rocks. Goodbye everybody. Dot net 715 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,119 Rocks is brought to you by Franklin's Net and produced by Pop Studios, a 716 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:15,320 full service audio, video and post production facility located physically in New London, 717 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,400 Connecticut, and of course in the cloud online at pwop dot com. 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