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I was hit by a jet ski
and I was told by a doctor that

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I may have only five hours to
live if my liver had been totally destroyed.

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And I was faced with all of
a sudden this idea that in five

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hours I might be standing before the
judgment seat of Christ. I was thirty

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years old. I knew the bibble
very well. I was happily married,

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I had two kids. I was
very much the epitome of a good American

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Christian. And I realized at that
moment, when it was real and I

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was laying on a gurney, I'm
going to get before Christ, and this

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is going to be inadequate. I
will not go in with my head held

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high. What have I done to
help all the hurting people out there?

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Not much? And I realized at
that moment I never wanted to be in

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that situation. Again, theology in
books is one thing. Theology when you're

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laying on a gurney, realizing I
might be seeing Christ in the next couple

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of hours is another. When I
was on the Los Angeles Lisa Brodman and

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I saw a brutal, awful crime
in a really horrific crime area, and

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then as I got into international business. I got to see that depravity is

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in five thousand dollars suits, just
like it's in do rags and running around

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with AK forty seven's. We see
over here on the nice americanized Christianity that

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we have that some people do seem
totally transformed and some not. Lots of

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people claim to be Christians, lots
of people who believe in Christ, but

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they don't seem that much different than
some of the stuff I saw on the

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streets of Los Angeles. What's the
difference that Jesus has given us? The

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formula for that difference an experment on
them mouth. Jesus has this list of

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intense demands that He's put upon us. Those are the things that are the

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requirements for living out this life with
great joy and power in him. Well,

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Christ has said, you can be
my salt, you can be my

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light, you can be the change
maker in this world if you follow me,

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deny yourself, pick up your cross
daily, and by the way,

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when you're that person, I will
shower you with great rewards and eternity when

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you get there, and a content
and joyful life here in this world where

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you're seeing change and transformation around you
as people see you this great light of

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the Holy Spirit. Have you ever
seen how some Christians are so filled with

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great joy because they have lived up
to the Sermon on the Mount or Christ's

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demands not for salvation, but for
all the promises after salvation. And so

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we want to walk through that in
a daring faith in a cowardly world,

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realizing that the world is counting on
us to carry out the good works that

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Jesus laid down at the beginning of
time for you and I to accomplish.

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And if we do that, we
will reap great rewards from our Master when

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we get to heaven and say,
Lord Jesus, I live for you,

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I gave all for you, and
have him say well done, my good

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and faithful sermon. Okay. And
that's our guest, Ken Harrison, and

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he saw the book there. This
is the newest book, a daring faith

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in a cowardly world. And so
joining us now is Ken Harrison. He

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is volunteer chairman and CEO of Promise
Keepers, and he's done a great deal

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of things in his life. But
thank you for joining us, sir,

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No, thanks to I appreciate it. It's really important for us to I

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think Promise Keepers has a very important
message, especially for these times that we

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live in, and it is very
important for men to understand what their role

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is and you put that out there
in a very positive way. Tell us

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a little bit about the organization Promise
Keepers. Well, Promise Keepers was the

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biggest men's movement in the history of
the church back in the nineties under Coach

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Bill McCartney. So they were getting
together men, filling the NFL stadium sixty

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seventy thousand men at a time,
I remember that. Yeah. Yeah,

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And they actually had a gathering in
Washington, d C. In ninety seven

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called Stand in the Gap. Most
people think it was called a Million Men

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March. It's called standa Gap and
they had one point four million men together

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to worship Christ for the day.
And it's the biggest gathering in the history

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of Washington, d C. So
it was a pretty impactful organization. It's

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sort of faded out of relevance for
a while, but we've been coming back

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for the last few years. Well
that's good. But yet, you know,

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as we see so many times in
the cancel culture, what is is

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to see that Christian venues are now
canceling Promise Keepers because They don't like anything

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that is masculine, anything that talks
to men about keeping their promises that they

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make. Tell us little bit about
that, and what's been happening with that.

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It is truly amazing. I saw
that, and I just was really

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astounded because, as you point out, promise keepers is so big twenty thirty

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years ago, and now we got
liberal churches. Churches have gone so far

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to the left that they want to
ban promise keepers for what they call their

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you know what is their gender ideology. Yeah, and it's I've been as

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shocked as you have. We went
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We had thirty thousand men there.
It was a huge event. And then

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we thought, well, let's do
a bigger tour. We get letters from

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all over the world saying could you
come here? And we thought, well,

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instead of doing one huge event in
one location, which takes so much,

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just a lot of stuff, let's
just go to churches. Wouldn't that

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be great? And we'll go all
over We found and we've been canceled and

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canceled and a lot of times,
David, it's not about ideology a lot

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of times, just a plain about
cowardice. So We had one church come

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to us. We met with the
elders and they said, listen, we

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agree with you and everything. We're
so sorry. We just don't want any

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protesters. We don't need anybody to
think badly of us. We don't want

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to be awful that from our community, right. And I mean, if

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you've read the Gospels, if you
read the words of our Lord, you

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think, how in the world could
you, as an elder of a church,

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literally say I don't want to be
unpopular. They need it worse than

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anybody at that church. Yeah,
that's absolutely right, and that's what's happened.

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That's what we see everywhere. That's
why you know, the church is

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just disappearance, because nobody will stand
for the truth. And you look at

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that and you say, well,
then maybe you don't really believe it,

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So why am I coming to your
church? You know, Ao Bernard is

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on our board. People think he's
I don't know if you know who Ebernard

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is. He has a huge church
in New York City and a lot of

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people say, oh, he's woke. He's not woke. He's an incredibly

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brilliant man. A huge church in
New York City with forty thousand people,

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and he said something to me that
I thought was so profound. He said,

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Ken, you know what the difference
between a strong preference and a conviction

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is No, let me think about
that, everybody at homeless it what is

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the difference between a strong a strong
preference and a conviction? A conviction is

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not negotiable. Yes, that struck
me as so profound because when we see

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Saint Jerome being barbecued face down in
Rome, and after fifteen minutes of him

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singing songs and laughing, he finally
yells out, I'm done on this side.

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You could turn me over. Now
that's a guy with the convictions.

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Yeah, right now we have the
church is saying, well, we don't

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want protesters that might make us uncomfortable. And the ironic thing about it is

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our tourist called daring faith, because
what we're saying to men is you started

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this with at the beginning, what
is our identity? Who are we?

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And as a church, we've gotten
this wrong. And the greatest lie is

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the one that's closest to the truth
that brings you to the wrong conclusion.

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And the lie that's been seeded throughout
the evangelical churches that we're all sinners saved

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by grace. Well that's true,
but it's only half true. Because when

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you think you're a sinner saved by
grace and you stop there, that becomes

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your identity. I guess I'm a
sinner instead of saved by grace. Made

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into new creations in Christ Jesus for
good works which were prepared beforehand, and

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we should walk in the Ephesians two
ten. We've been made new creatures,

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that the spirit of God has been
deposited in each person who's put their faith

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in Christ. Now we're sons and
daughters are the most high God, and

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we need to act like it.
So the identity is a problem because when

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men see, well, I'm just
a sinner, then suddenly we see what

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we have today, which is well, I struggle with porn, but I'm

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trying to do better. No,
you're a new creature. You shouldn't be

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struggling with porn. What did John
say to when everyone showed up on the

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launch of Jesus's ministry Jesus comes to
get baptized. John looks up and looks

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at everybody and says, repent your
brute vipers? Who told you to repent

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from the for the coming of the
Lord, repent and so deeds consistent with

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your repentance. Yes, that's not
something that you're in the church a lot

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today. And that was the beginning
of Jesus's ministry. That's right. Yeah,

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it's it's like, you know,
we're going to be witnesses to people.

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We've got to tell the truth,
the whole truth. Nothing about the

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truth, right. I had George
Barna and he was talking about how people

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like, yeah, you know,
it's like it's like a Smorgan's borg.

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We'll bring a little bit of this
thing over there and a little bit of

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that thing over there, you know, so we add some things that aren't

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true to it, you know.
But then the other part of it is

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that you're talking about, is that
we don't have the whole truth. You

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know, Jesus would constantly, you
know, heal somebody say now go your

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way and send no more. You
know, you've been changed. And if

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we haven't been changed, and if
we don't have that sense of transformation that

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changes, then we need to go
back and we need to say, well,

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have I really been changed? Have
I been saved? You know?

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Is that something there? Because if
you have it's gonna it's gonna work itself

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out. And so you know,
we need to constantly, you know,

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we need to look at that and
say, you know, what does my

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life really reflect what I say that
it does? Am I really living that?

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And of course today we're seeing this
more and more. That's why,

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you know, talking about promise keepers. You were kicked out of a private

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Christian university in Nashville, out of
a church in Cordova, Tennessee, out

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of a big church in Houston,
and on and on, and I just

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look at this. I was astounded. It's like, what is wrong with

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telling people to keep their promises,
you know, and be a good husband

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and a good father and that type
of thing that you're encouraging men to take

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that role? You know, what
have we gotten to in a society where

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that is something that people hate in
churches or Christian universities or as you point

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out, they're afraid of the criticism
that's going to come their way. Yeah.

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I mean the Bible says did in
the Last Day's love of many will

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grow cold because of a lack of
teaching doctrine. And you know when people

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listen to this, I think they
think, well, is that am I

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getting the whole story. I mean, maybe this Ken Harrison guy's a real

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jerk, or maybe Promise has a
mention, right, I mean we're taught

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to think that way. Yeah,
everybody, I'm not a jerk, and

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we really really have gone with the
grace of the Lord. We just teach

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God's word. One of the criticisms
we get from people because you know,

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when you have people who want to
spread hatred, they don't let they're not

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bogged down by truth. You know, they say whatever. And one of

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them is, well, you know, we want to subjugate women. And

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I'm quoted all over the place of
saying my role is not to tell women

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how to behave I don't. I
stay out of that. I'm not a

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pastor. I run Promise Keepers is
here to tell men how to be a

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So I'm here to tell men how
to be humble, gracious leaders in their

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home biblically understands so they can raise
their kids. We don't ever mention anything

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about women or anything like that.
So it's all about humility. Who wouldn't

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want a husband who's humble and gracious
and those of the Bible and raises his

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kids. Right, So really it's
unbelievable when you look at the fact that

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churches are walking away from this,
and it's terrifying. And I will say,

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but I think that there is a
welcome change in the church coming in

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that. I think COVID changed a
lot of things when people realized that they

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could sit in a robe and watch
Francis Chant on the YouTube instead of right.

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Yeah, I change is that the
megachurch movement has taken over starting in

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the eighties, where you know,
a really good speaker with good music ended

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up with this massive campus and people
all went there and it was nameless and

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faceless, and they did their church
thing and they went home. Well,

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culture no longer values going to church, And now I don't need to go

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to church and being nameless and faceless
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So I think what's church about.
Church is about lifting brothers and stitches up

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in Christ and sharpening each other.
So church is about relationship and teaching biblical

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doctrine. So for those churches that
are teaching biblical doctrine and there's relationships and

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I'm telling you strets with the men
because women naturally make relationships that men don't,

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those churches are that will be the
ones who flourish. I think we're

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going to go back more to a
local church where people really know each other,

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they raise each other's kids, instead
of this nameless, faceless megachurch.

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And I tell you that's going to
be a welcome time. I agree.

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I agree. I've seen this in
terms of silver linings and what happened in

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twenty twenty. From the standpoint I've
talked for the longest time to people about

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schools, and it's like, you
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careful about what the institution is said, oh, it's not it's not my

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school, or it's not our school
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school, it's not my classroom.
And then they were able to see what

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was actually being taught in the classroom. And so that was a real,

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you know, wake up moment for
people, just like a lot of the

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zoom church stuff was a wake up
and churches that said, well, you

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know what they've said that there's a
sickness going around, so maybe we just

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it's not important enough for us to
get together, you know. So you

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see some things like this, and
it's been really kind of an opportunity for

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people to reevaluate the sincerity of the
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happening in their lives. And so
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it's not going to be everybody,
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of people have awakened to what was
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going on in their churches as they
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so that's the unintended positive consequences.
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an idea. You mentioned a little
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tell us attle bit about what a
promise keeper's rally is about. So this

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is men talking to men like men. And so you know, when you

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look at a marriage, you need
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an ultimal raising of a kid.
It's not always possible. But when little

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Johnny skins his knee, he needs
mom there to say, Johnny, it's

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okay, and let me put a
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Make it better. Well, every
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go you're not that hurt, get
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that's right. Yeah, in our
society we were lacking dads and so what

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we have is so many victims running
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so now I'm screwed up, and
my coach didn't play me, and you

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know, excuses, and so what
we're here to say is, look,

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that may be true. You may
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or may maybe a lot of things. Now what are you going to

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do about it? It's time to
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of God because you're what your kids
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exercise self control. So that's what
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many events there Friday night only.
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like six to nine. The first
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December first, and it's going to
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whole world. So anybody who's not
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sign up at Promise Keepers dot org
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do that through churches because again,
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We don't want sitting at home in
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with other men. But we're going
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to have Becka Cook there, who
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who God said to completely change his
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So Beckett tell us, you know, we're gonna have an interview. Tell

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us, how do you witness to
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How did you get saved? What
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that they're struggling with this issue?
Like real issues. We're going to deal

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with depression. You know, eighty
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aged men, So we're going to
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wrapped around Christ because that's all it
really matters. Yeah, how can we

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liberal lives for Jesus Christ abandoned him? So it's going to be very interesting.

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This is not celebrity driven. This
is not come see the big speaker

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or the big thinger, none of
that. This is three hours of sober

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worship, sharpening each other and real
information that you just can't get anywhere else.

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Because we're not going to screw around. We're not going to tell you

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you're just so fine and everything is
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with the real issues. As Christ
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that's right, Well, that's good, so promise keepers dot org.

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The first event is going to be
December, the first in case your church

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is not telling you about it,
but that people can find the live stream

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and uh and then what is uh
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next year. I guess as well. Right, people have a lot of

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them. We can't announce any of
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that they are almost solidified. And
to be honest with you, I've learned

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that I have to make sure that
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less we get cancel Yeah, I
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the libraries. You know, libraries
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hours and so you have, I
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of his name, the actor who
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Cameron. As he started going around
doing it, they started canceling them left

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and right, and and then if
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disturbances there and everything. I mean, it truly is amazing. You know

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the other people have beliefs that they
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against those. I mean, we're
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woman who quietly goes to abortion clinic
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she's been arrested. It's just amazing
to see that level of persecution all over

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the place. But as you point
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men are being denigrated, being mocked
as Homer Simpsons, with nothing at all

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to contribute, even to the extent
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It's kind of ridiculous. But tell
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Your first book was Rise of the
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Bee being a man? Tell us
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into the newer book after that,
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Servant Kings. Yeah, that one
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a godly man. And it's full
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la policeman, as you said,
I've done a lot of things, and

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so there's some stories in there that
the publishers like, whoa, we don't

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see these in Christian books. And
I've had a lot of real positive feedback.

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In fact, I've gotten hundreds of
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then BLUs because it's really discipleship books
and being a man, because you've got

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to learn how to be disciples Jesus
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real man. So that that one
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I didn't come up with it.
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it basically says that again we talk
about identity. People think that you said

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the prayer, you're saved, and
now you just have yours. It's time,

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there's nothing left to do. Instead, actually, when you read what

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Christ said over and over, in
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two, he says, behold,
I'm coming quickly in marble. Ward is

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with me to give to each person
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Christians. So the idea here is
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I can Corinthians five to ten,
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Christ doesn't care what we did before
we were saved. We were dead in

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our sins. We're saved by grace
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were saved, our lives do matter, and we will be judged. And

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Jesus says, behold of the person
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I will pull him up onto my
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father's right hand. And at the
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the sermon I come to find serving
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things. And so the idea here
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because it will matter for an entire
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who really walk with Christ and those
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cherry on that, you know,
because the promise keepers. I get to

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talk to all these famous pastors and
be friends and everything, and famous theologian

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who called me out and said,
hey, man, I got to tell

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you. I read your book.
I heard about it being good about good

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works for Christians, and he goes, I sat down with a pen to

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shreddit and I was going to go
on my radio show and tear you to

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pieces, and he goes, When
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was completely convinced. And now I
can't unsee it. Every time I open

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my Bible. It's good works for
rewards, good works forwards? Because how

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did I miss this all these years? Yeah, that's what that book is

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about. And that's this challenge of
this tourist. Men. Your lives matter

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greatly, and because we think our
lives don't matter is why we're dropping the

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ball. Because David and I need
to talk about this, but think about

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it. What they're doing to our
children here in Colorado. When you are

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six years old, you go to
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you are. And I just had
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for her first day of first grade, and you know, are you a

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boy or a girl? I'm a
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Want to be a boy? Trying
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than she is? Why are we
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our kids? Instead to circle back, I see churches that are caught up

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in bureaucracy and money and not having
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they're tearing out the core of who
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the people of Christ, ought to
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in love doing everything we can because, as you said, the other side

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actually believes this nonsense because they're deceived
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not flesh and blood, but they're
the powers and the authorities and powers of

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darkness. We need to be waking
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the truth when they hear it,
and when they really hear truth, they're

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going to have one reaction or another, either repent or they're going to hate

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you. Yeah, that's what happens, because they're going to be utterly in

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their deception. Uh. Second to
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one, some people are just completely
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hate you. Your promise, Jesus
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But some people we can rescue.
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That's why we're here in this world. I just want to wake Christians

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up stopping so dank comfortable, stop
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and start looking for the approval of
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That's if you have an audience of
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because you don't care what anybody else
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more joyful. That's right. Oh, it's such great advice. Yeah,

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you know, we look at things
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side or the other and get things
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lot of people who think that they
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say, no, you can't do
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you can undo what has happened.
Only Christ can undo that. But then,

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as you point out, if we
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saved us two good works and to
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about grace only. But it's the
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important to try to get those in
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know, now that we're at this
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the everybody's everybody knows the parable of
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the way that was translated as a
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of money that was given to these
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the people have said, well,
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things that God has given you.
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with what they were given, they
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right, And so that's the key
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He has given us not only forgiveness, but he's given us abilities. What

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are we going to do with that? Where we are? That's the key

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thing that Christians need to be asking
themselves right now. And we have just

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stopped short of that in so many
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right, but they also just stop
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You know that parable. I go
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notice the first two servants are given
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invest it and they take risks.
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does Jesus say? Throw him into
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one there's this contempt for him because
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number two what's the outer darkness,
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are in heaven. So did he
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it's pretty clear as you look at
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he's thrown out of is the wedding
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feast will be the great culmination of
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are going to be there. And
this is why he is weeping and gnashing

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of teeth. People think that's hell
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Near East, weeping means sorrow and
nashing your teeth means anger. And he's

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angry at his wasted life. And
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Lamb and he's not allowed in because
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I want to wake people up and
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the first two servants who went and
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and that takes courage. And the
other thing on one that wake people up

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to is we have swallowed another lie
of intellectualism, where we think if these

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guys who sit in their library is
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this is the varsity level of Christ. Just look at the Bible. Everything

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is about courage. Everybody in the
Bible. Everything is confrontation. It's screwed

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up people who are giving all for
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leven is a great haul of faith. These are such screwed up people.

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Well if they just kept going,
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are we going to be courageous?
Are we going to do everything it takes

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to raise godly kids? And say, little Sam or little Jane, what

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are you learning in school? Let's
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scripture say about that? And getting
a little more about our school board,

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what's going on? Just the gal
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ring, with a darrow look on
her face and saying, hey, are

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you okay? Can I pray for
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pray for you today? I'm telling
you, if you start doing that,

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I do it all the time.
It's amazing how much of my day gets

408
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quote wasted because I'll spend two hours
with someone crying on my shoulder, with

409
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mas garroll over my shirt about her
life and try to walk her through Christ,

410
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try to find her a good church
everywhere we go. It's a promise

411
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keepers thing that we always say,
if there's one thing I could pray for

412
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.039
you, what would it be.
It's amazing what that unlocks with people,

413
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but you better be ready, and
it's harder to get that with men.

414
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You know, a woman will tell
you you know what, it may tell

415
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you that, but it's to be
much harder to get that from a man,

416
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especially if you don't have a relationship
already. Even with a relationship,

417
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it's harder to get men to talk. And that's why something like promise keepers

418
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is really important, because we're just
not wired that way to you know,

419
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to open up and to talk to
other people. Yeah. Well, for

420
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promise keepers is we've got to teach
men that being a man comes from your

421
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heart your character, not from your
performance. Say that again, it comes

422
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from your heart, your character,
not your performance. We say, what

423
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is a man like? Oh,
a man is somebody who goes hunting and

424
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who can grow a great beard like
David Knight, or as tall, it

425
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:38.480
has a deep voice, or as
a cop or a navy seal, or

426
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you know, a man as someone
with it. It comes from inside.

427
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.319
It's your integrity, it's who you
are. It says, I will defend

428
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.599
my family no matter what. I
will provide for my family, no matter

429
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what. If I get laid off
for my job and times are tough,

430
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.039
if I got to work with McDonalds
or work at McDonald's, whatever it takes

431
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.720
to stand by my kids and my
wife, to guard my thoughts in my

432
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mind and so that all of my
sexual energy goes towards my wife and nobody

433
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else. Now, these are things
to talk we talk about come from the

434
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grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You cannot do this through self effort.

435
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You must do it. You're dying
to self daily. It is you die

436
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:17.400
to self daily. Matthew five through
seven is the whole core of being a

437
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.240
disciple. Jesus there is not giving
the recipe for salvation. He's giving the

438
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recipe for becoming a disciple. As
we die to self daily, we can

439
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.640
really become men. It comes from
the inside, and suddenly we find out

440
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:33.400
that I don't care if you're four
foot ten and eighty pounds, have a

441
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:40.079
heart of a line and a hard
integrity than honesty and courage, because you

442
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.880
become a man of God but it's
another thing we have to wipe out,

443
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.519
is this idea that masculinity is performance
driven. It's not. It's heart and

444
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.759
integrity driven. Yes, I agree, I can agree with that more.

445
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.400
Yeah, I've said many times that
you know, if you're looking to Christ,

446
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.759
that is a leverage point, a
full crumb that's outside of this world,

447
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.160
and that gives you a tremendous this
amount of leverage to change this world.

448
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.839
And it's because it's coming from that. It's coming your focus is not

449
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.680
even on changing the world. That's
going to be an outcome that comes from

450
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.000
your focus on Christ, having an
eternal focus with that. But it is

451
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.680
very important, as you point out, it's so difficult for men to see

452
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.279
this. You know, women just
naturally fall into this. They fall more

453
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.599
into their relationships. They like school
better than we like school. They like

454
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.640
church better than church, you know, and it's it's just a natural thing

455
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.720
for them. And so men need
to have a little bit more of an

456
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:41.920
encouragement of counseling and to understand the
importance of the one another, you know,

457
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.000
helping one another. Uh, that's
the key thing. And I think

458
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.599
it's it's very important for promise keep
so I'm glad that you're you're reviving this,

459
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.519
that it is now coming back.
It really isn't needed at this point

460
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:59.960
in time. Here's why men have
always done relationships by doing things together,

461
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.599
because if you look at the history
of the world, you had to do

462
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.880
things together to survive. So somebody
was a hunter and somebody as a farmer

463
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.240
and a rancher and a blacksmith and
all that stuff. So you came together

464
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.319
communities, and we had to share
skills, and then we learned who we

465
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.839
could trust and who we couldn't with
some men in stressful situations, and if

466
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.359
you were not a good guy,
you were ostracized, and if you're a

467
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.640
good guy, you're elevated in the
town. Women make relationships by communicating.

468
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.519
And so now what we see is, because of all our technological advancements,

469
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.200
the world today is all about communicating. It's all about Facebook and social media.

470
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.000
None of that is masking and effect, it's demasculating. And if our

471
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.079
churches upon into that too. So
you come to church and you have a

472
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.880
chat, and maybe you get together
and have tea. If you're really godly,

473
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.839
you get together and have a Bible
study. At six point thirty in

474
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.839
the morning on a Friday. But
there's nothing in that having to do with

475
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.400
doing things together as men. And
that's where pastors have to be intentional get

476
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.799
men together, because I can have
lunch with you, David, for twenty

477
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.359
years once a week, but we
won't really be friends. Tell you what,

478
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.839
we go hunting for three days in
the backwoods and you shoot an elk

479
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.759
that's three hundred yards away across another
mountain rain. We got to call it,

480
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.039
clean that thing and carry it out. Now we're friends because now I've

481
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.240
seen that you really like under stress, and you've seen that I'm like understressed.

482
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.799
You've seen how much we hold each
other's work. That's what creates relationships

483
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.559
amongst men, and so we have
to be intentional about that now because we

484
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.839
don't need each other anymore. I
mean, I can order Uber eats and

485
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.119
I can get stuff to live from
the grocery store, and men are being

486
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:33.480
more and more isolated. So it's
fine. There's nothing wrong with women communicating

487
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.440
naturally and men make relationships by doing. But then again we have to be

488
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.279
intentional. So what promise keepers,
what we're trying to do is tell men

489
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.119
don't get together for Bible study,
get together with guys who are golfers and

490
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.039
golf or hunters and hunt or fishermen
or skiers, whatever it is that you

491
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.200
do, and then Bible study will
come from that. But if you try

492
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.480
to get together and sit around,
you'll just try to do a religious thing

493
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.160
and it won't last. But getet
together intentionally, do something that matters and

494
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.319
have scripture and prayer out of that, and boy, you will become you'll

495
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.079
have true friends. That's a great
idea. Yeah, absolutely, I think

496
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.720
that's right. I'll see on your
board. One name that sticks out to

497
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.960
me is Randy Alcorn, and of
course he I know Randy from his works.

498
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:26.920
He's done a lot of fiction novels
that are very well written. He

499
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.799
was a pastor who was at an
abortion clinic and they got a judgment against

500
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.160
him, and for over twenty years
he didn't take a penny. He took

501
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.920
like the minimum, which is like
eight thousand dollars a year, so he

502
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.799
didn't give any of the money to
a planned parenthood and just donated all the

503
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.400
money from these novels, which were
very successful. But he's also written about

504
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:55.960
heaven and he's very much focused on
what we're not going to be just doing

505
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.920
nothing, floating around on clouds contemplating
our navel. It would be an opportunity

506
00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:02.240
for us to work and to create
and get involved in a lot of things.

507
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.160
I like his analysis in his way
of thinking. But he also writes

508
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:10.319
a lot about money, because Jesus
talked a lot about money, and that's

509
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.119
one of the key things with men
as well. Talk a little bit about

510
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:19.000
what you tell people about money with
promise keepers, because that's such a powerful

511
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.359
drag on our lives, just like
sex and many other things, but money

512
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.559
has so much of a grip on
our lives. Tell people what you tell

513
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:32.359
men about money, you think about
the things in life that are the greatest

514
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.000
blessing, they also could be the
biggest curses. Right sex, Right,

515
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.240
sex is an incredible thing. It
propreates species and amongst marriage. I wrote

516
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.279
in Rises of Sermon Kings that sex
is the only thing differentiates a marriage many

517
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.160
of the relationship. Because anybody can
sure a bank account and raised kids together,

518
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:52.839
that makes to you one flesh.
It's extremely precious in this way.

519
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.559
Sex inside of a marriage is such
a great sin. Fire. Think about

520
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.079
fire, what a great blessing you
need to or survive and think about how

521
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.880
destructive water. You need water,
but boy, water can be destruction.

522
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.839
Money is freedom if you have a
healthy attitude about it. Is the freedom

523
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.880
to do what you'd like to do
whatever. I have some money, and

524
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.839
I'm going to spend it on something
major. I think, okay, I

525
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.680
have I'm going to go buy a
new truck. I have fifty thousand dollars

526
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.240
in my hand. I can do
anything with us fifty thousand dollars I want

527
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:28.920
to, from getting clean water in
Africa to fighting AIDS to buying a big

528
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.920
diamond ring. Like, whatever I
want to do is this truck. What

529
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.039
I choose to give that to And
it's a healthy attitude when you actually think

530
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:40.680
that way right. Debt is bondage
that will destroy you. Especially today,

531
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.480
we have a lot of people are
going to have been massive mass or problems

532
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.160
because interest rates have taken off.
If you hit a bunch of credit card

533
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.279
debt or you hit floating interest rates. With what's going on, people are

534
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.400
going to get crushed. I'm not
trying to be who's the money idea in

535
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.440
Nashville. I forget his name now, Yeah, I try to tell people.

536
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.000
He's always saying, get out of
debt. His name is the scaping

537
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.159
hand as well. Yeah, well
wife loves him. If you're a get

538
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.719
out of debt. The thing about
money, I actually had somebody come to

539
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.599
me as an NFL football player and
he said, look, I have this

540
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:15.920
love of money. I can't get
over it. I said, you don't

541
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.880
have a love of money. What
do you mean? I go, money

542
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.280
is a symptoms. It's not the
disease. If you love money, there's

543
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.320
something else. Why do you want
money so bad? Is it because you

544
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.719
lack of faith? And you think
that I never have enough money? You

545
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.199
know, I run a huge foundation. And we had one woman who we

546
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.000
went to to give some of her
money away and she said, oh no,

547
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.440
I can't. I only have one
hundred million dollars. I have to

548
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.239
make sure I can pay the gas
she had inherited from her husband. She

549
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.679
didn't know what the value of a
dollar was. So money is great freedom

550
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.400
if you understand what to do with
it. And it's it's a terrible curse

551
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:59.559
if because it shows who you are. So if you're a greedy person,

552
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.599
why are you greedy? It's pride? So if I have a million dollars,

553
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.159
what would I do with the million
dollars. I want to go out

554
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.800
and buy a Ferrari. Well maybe
I really like really fast cars, but

555
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.119
probably I want the Ferrari. Serverybody
will look at me and think how cool

556
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.440
I am. Right, I'm not
going to judge that person. But what

557
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.000
is it I want to do with
money? So that's the thing we tell

558
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:25.000
men, cash freedom, debt,
bondage. If you're trying to accumulate lots

559
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.760
of money, why is that?
Because there's people dying, there's people who

560
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.039
need stuff, and I think it's
okay to be comfortable. You know,

561
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.800
there's a conversation you can have.
I mean, I'll tell you that I

562
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.400
used to run a huge company.
As you think you also from a resume,

563
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.400
I used to have thousands of employees
and made lots of money and create

564
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.920
lots of jobs. And I don't
make take any money now. And I

565
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.400
think you know that from promise keepers
that I get paid zero. But there's

566
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.039
nothing wrong with having money because we
can all judge, well, what is

567
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.400
a lot of money. Well,
one day I was in a meeting with

568
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:59.079
a couple of major, major pastors
and I had to leave. And this

569
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.079
guy said, well, you got
leave, can't have to leave? I

570
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.880
go, I got a plane to
catch. He's like, yeah, plane

571
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:07.199
to catch, And the other passional
accadming is yeah, Ken flies commercial and

572
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.800
they both put laughing. You don't
have a private jet? I said no,

573
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.280
and I and they're kind of mocking
me, and I go, you

574
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.320
know, there's something kind of telling
about the fact that the two guys who

575
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.880
live off the tithe money of others
have private jets and the guy who's created

576
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.079
tens of thousands of jobs flies on
Southwest. I'll leave that, you know.

577
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.840
And they both laught, but boy, I know, hey, that's

578
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.360
between them and the Lord. I'm
not going to condemn them for it,

579
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.719
but I'm going to say for me, Southwest Airlines is just plain adequate,

580
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.719
and flying somewhere for four hundred dollars
is a lot different than flying there for

581
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.519
fifteen thousand on a private plane.
But everyone has to be their own judge

582
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.800
and be convicted in their own heart
by the Holy spirit. Yeah, oh

583
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.960
yeah, that's Dave Ramsey. Eventually, you know, Dave something. Yeah,

584
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.800
eventually it gets there, just it's
a little bit slower now, but

585
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.519
it's got all these extra paths that's
got to go around blockages. I guess

586
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.440
to get there. But yeah,
the older we get. Dave Ramsey was

587
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.800
always about staying out of debt,
and that's that's really good advice. You

588
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.679
know, we want we don't want
to make. But again, you know,

589
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.760
with anything that we do, we
can always become obsessive about it,

590
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.599
you know, and I've seen people
have gotten obsessive about, you know,

591
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.760
getting out of debt and everything.
But it is, as you point out,

592
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.039
it as a bondage and it's a
very dangerous time to be in that

593
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.400
kind of debt. Especially. It's
just to me, it's just criminal what

594
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.719
they're doing with the credit card rates
now that they can get away. I

595
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.440
know, that's that's like the average. It's just astounding to me that we

596
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.000
allow that to happen. But it's
just another one of these things where everybody

597
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.760
just to just passively accept it instead
of trying to change it. Tell us

598
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.840
what the seven promises of the promise
keepers are? All right, I'm on

599
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.159
vacation and I'm totally I cannot right
now. Well, first one, I've

600
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.480
got them in front of me.
I've got a cheat sheet here, thank

601
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.239
you, Honor God, Honor God. Tell us a little bit about that

602
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.440
and we'll do the next one.
You know, honor God is the whole

603
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.840
point of our lives, right,
and how do we point it out?

604
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.679
And one of the things I point
out all the time is honor God.

605
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.280
We were just talking about how you
can change things to a negative that are

606
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.199
a positive. One of those things
is honoring the name of the Lord and

607
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.039
not using the Lord's name in vain, right. And a lot of people

608
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:29.719
think that means saying good for something. Oh God, I can't believe you

609
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.559
just did that. That's certainly not
a healthy thing. But that is not

610
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.159
using the Lord's name in vain.
Using the Lord's name in vain is actually

611
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.960
something much more nefarious and something done
all the time in the church. And

612
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.800
let me tell you right now,
I cannot tell you. I speak all

613
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.000
over the country. How many people
walk up to me and say, the

614
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.599
Lord told me that you right?
How many times I said, I have

615
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:53.920
a word from the Lord. I
don't know this person, I have a

616
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.840
word from Lord. And my first
response is what verse is it? Yeah?

617
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.280
Yeah, people manipulate and use others
with this business of putting things in

618
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.920
the name of the Lord that are
not of the name of the Lord.

619
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:10.119
And I'll keep I could keep going
people who come up with doctrinal points and

620
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.480
say, well God said this,
Well you shouldn't drink alcohol because when Jesus

621
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.559
drank alcohol, it was really just
grape juice. Well maybe it was and

622
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.880
maybe it wasn't, but you don't
know that, right. So using the

623
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:28.159
Lord's name in vain is attributing things
to God that God didn't say, right,

624
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.719
And I use example and rise of
sermonkings on this. We talk about

625
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.800
how somebody said they gossiped about another
person or slandered that person, and they

626
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.559
said, even Ken Harrison agrees with
me. Well, in fact, I

627
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.480
didn't agree with him. His buddy
called me up and said, hey,

628
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.360
here said you agree with said,
actually I don't. But he was using

629
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.239
Ken Harrison's name in vain in that
right, trying to give himself authority by

630
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.000
attaching it to me. That's what
we do to Lord all the time.

631
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So honoring God. There's a lot
I could go into on that, but

632
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.480
rather than to preach a whole serm, I just wanted to pull up one

633
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:04.079
thing out, concentrate on a little
easy, obvious good as a little euphemism.

634
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.159
Make sure that you look at your
heart and you're not using and attributing

635
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.000
things to God that are not God. That really you your opinion, and

636
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.039
maybe your opinion is true, but
it's better to say, in my opinion

637
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.519
where the way I read this passage
or my life experiences told me. Right,

638
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.840
But do not go around saying thus
as the Lord. If he didn't

639
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.280
say it, that makes you a
false prophet. Yeah, yeah, kind

640
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.559
of a name dropping that's out there, you know, as you and you

641
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.840
know I also look at it.
I heard somebody say once some we call

642
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.320
ourselves Christians. You know that really
comes from you know, kind of a

643
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.960
combined thing of Christ's men, right, and so, and Jesus said,

644
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.360
well, do you call me lord
Lord if you don't do what I say?

645
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.239
And so we can. We can
by calling ourselves Christians when we don't

646
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.800
really care what Jesus says. That's
a way I think of taking God's name

647
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.639
in vain. But you know,
there are people who deliberately do it.

648
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.039
And I find that that. I've
told a story to my audience before.

649
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.960
Karen and I years ago, probably
about twenty five years ago, we went

650
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.480
to see Penn and Teller perform,
and so, yeah, and they're funny,

651
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.800
but he can at the end of
his kind of Towards the end of

652
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.719
the thing, after they've been there
for a while, he starts talking about

653
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:21.679
languages. He says, you know, I really hate it when people use

654
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.360
the F word. They use it
for every form of speech. They use

655
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.599
it as a you know, an
adverb and an adjective and all the rest

656
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.880
of this stuff. And he goes, it just makes you look stupid because

657
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:31.760
you don't have any vocabulary. So
I refuse to use that. He says,

658
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:36.639
I deliberately take the name of Jesus
in vain because I want a blaspheme.

659
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.159
You know, I don't believe any
of that stuff, and so I

660
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.159
did, and so, you know, my wife and I got up and

661
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.440
walked out. But it was really, you know, very deliberate from him.

662
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.360
A lot of people don't realize that
they're doing that. But I think,

663
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.079
as you point out that this,
this name dropping or to say that

664
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.679
you know, I'm a christ follower
when you're really not, that really is

665
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.199
a very serious thing. I think
that we need to look at ourselves and

666
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.400
say, well, am I guilty
of doing that? In a different way,

667
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.719
you mentioned your second promise is a
brotherhood. Tell us a little bit

668
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.400
about that. You know, brotherhood
is one of the things that we hear

669
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:16.519
so often now is about we shouldn't
let men get together on supervised by women.

670
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.760
Right. I didn't bring up a
different church. There's another megachurch that

671
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.960
we've been having problems with right now
that a bunch of major leaders have come

672
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.400
together, and so we want you
to go to this church. And the

673
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.119
pastor of that church actually called me
and said, I have a question for

674
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.559
you. Yeah, why aren't women
a lot of promise keepers events because it's

675
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.960
a men's ministry? Because me,
well, I just don't think that's right.

676
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.119
Well, I said, let me
ask you. Do you have women's

677
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.000
gatherings? Women said, well,
yeah, all the time. So what

678
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:45.679
why do you have women's gatherings all
the time and not men's gatherings? Why

679
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.320
is it that you're only critical at
men's gatherings. Well, that's a good

680
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.199
point. Well, let me ask
you this, then, why don't you

681
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.719
have any women pastors preaching to the
men? I said, let me ask

682
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.639
you a point. Why are you
so obsessed on that? Yeah, if

683
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.280
we're you have men talking to men
like men, why would I want a

684
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:06.559
woman there? Because when you put
one woman in it changes how men behave

685
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.079
men will be authentic. You know, you go to promise keepers event,

686
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.039
you'll see guys falling on their faces
and tears. I mean the stories that

687
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.719
come out of these events of change
lives. But there's a when there's a

688
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:20.079
woman there, men feel like they
need to change. It's whether it's fair

689
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.400
or not. I'm not saying it's
fair. I'm just saying what it is.

690
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.639
It was amazing to me that in
our culture and other thing is somehow

691
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.519
men are not allowed to get together. There must be something going on in

692
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.559
there that we don't know about.
It's an amazing thing. So you know,

693
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.880
again, I'm taking these things on
in a small way, but brotherhood

694
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.679
is very important. Men need to
get together with other men and just hang

695
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.719
out, as we talked about a
little bit, and sometimes women don't totally

696
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.559
understand that. But I think when
you put it the other way. One

697
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.000
of the things I teach people.
I was just asked this the other day

698
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.519
GM Mary for thirty three years,
what's the secret to having a great marriage?

699
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.760
And I said, well, I
get thirty second answer that question.

700
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.960
I will just say empathy. Empathy
is the number one thing. Put myself

701
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.280
on the shoes of my wife and
say, how does what I just say

702
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.920
sound to her? Right? Well, anybody else but in sack of marriage.

703
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.159
This thing here too for women to
think, well, when women get

704
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:22.159
together and have tea whatever, it's
all no big deal. Same thing with

705
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:23.599
men, and women need to stop
and just go. You know what.

706
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.559
For my husband to get together with
godly men and go golfing and go fishing,

707
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.159
goes through important things because this is
how men sharpen each other is by

708
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.960
doing things together. Your brotherhood is
incredibly important. And again the lies of

709
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.519
Satan in the world are trying to
keep men from getting together because if they

710
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:43.880
do, they just might plot how
to make the world a better place.

711
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:51.360
That's been great. I love that
integrity. Another promise, integrity that is

712
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.239
at the heart of bandw man.
What will I compromise? As we talked

713
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.440
about, what's the conviction of what
the strong preference? Will I give?

714
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.559
All for the truth? You know
that A Revelation twenty one eight has a

715
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:07.360
list of eight sin. It says
if you are typified by these sins,

716
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.960
you are not saved. It literally
says, here's eight sins. If you're

717
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:16.679
an adulterer, a murderer, a
sorcerer, an idolator. All liars will

718
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.119
for sure have their share in the
lake of fire that burns forever and never

719
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.639
I left the first one out.
You know what the first one on that

720
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:30.960
list is. It's pretty shock cowards. Cowards. Cowards is the thing that

721
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.480
God says, I'm going to start
this list off of people that shows for

722
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.800
sure you're not a Christian coward.
That doesn't mean if you've committed a coward

723
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.960
lat because I think we all have. Yeah, if it defines you,

724
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.400
just like lying, you know,
if it's defined Yeah, so integrity because

725
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.880
so much of a lack of integrity
comes from cowardice. Right. I even

726
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.039
say it's funny because the list starts
with cowards and ends with all liars.

727
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.119
Well, liars and cowards are kind
of the same thing, and mostly because

728
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.480
are cowards right, they're trying to
create something that's not really true about themselves

729
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:06.880
because they're afraid of something somewhere.
Integrity is I will not depart from the

730
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.559
truth, no matter what the cost, and that takes great courage. Courage

731
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.000
is again one of those things.
All these are the things we can define

732
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.119
that they mean something. I know
what it means to be pious, and

733
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.440
I know what it means to be
generous. But courage is sort of this

734
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.679
all encompassing thing. What is courage? And courage is integrity. It says,

735
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.760
I will not bend no matter of
the cost. What's that going to

736
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.760
what's that going to take? And
I define courage And during faith in the

737
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:39.719
coward the world is refusing to compromise
no matter what the cost is. Whereas

738
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:45.239
cowardice is not doing the right thing
because of fear for something, because we're

739
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:51.679
all afraid. And the guy that
the charge of the machine gun nests in

740
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.679
the middle of a war, he's
terrified. Yeah, he just does what

741
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.119
needs to get done. That's right. Yes, that's a great definition.

742
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.760
Uh, family, talk about that? What what? What is the promise

743
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:09.320
of family? Melichi chapter three?
People like Malachi? What is that?

744
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.119
Malka is one of my favorite books
in the Bible. Everybody listening here have

745
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:16.960
a chance to read Malachi. It's
the last book of the Old Testament and

746
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.960
it's absolutely fascinating. I preach hold
messages on Malachi. But in Malachi chapter

747
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:30.320
three, God says, I hate
divorce because because why because I'm jealous for

748
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.079
godly offspring. Family is the most
important thing you can do as a man

749
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.079
of God is to raise godly kids
to pass it on to the next generation.

750
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.880
There's lots of things that we have
to do. I'm not minimizing other

751
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.800
things, but I am saying that. Being Coach McCarty who started Promise Keepers

752
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.159
used to say, most loving thing
that a man can do for his kids

753
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.599
is love their mothers. That's a
that's a hard statement, especially if you're

754
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.679
divorced or you've had about problems.
But literally, most loving thing can do

755
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.800
for your ca is the love their
mother. Godly man needs to be dedicated

756
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.679
to a stami because this is the
building block of the church of community.

757
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.800
If you have a strong family with
godly kids, with a happy wife because

758
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.679
you know she's cherished by her husband. Another free advice thing I'll give on

759
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.840
family and marriage because I get asked
about this a lot. The number one

760
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.639
complaint you get from man is what
in marriage? A lack of intimacy.

761
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.840
Then there's money, and there's in
loss. Those are the three big things,

762
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.159
but the lack of intimacy is number
one by far. I tell guys

763
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:36.679
absent a whole long thing to tell
them. Usually a lack of intimacy is

764
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.559
because your wife doesn't feel cherished.
If your wife feels churished, that means

765
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.920
she feels safe protected. She is
the apple of your eye, I'm telling

766
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.880
you, has a massive effect on
the intimacy level of a marriage. That's

767
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:55.400
fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic.
Great advice of serving, serving, It's

768
00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:01.519
an amazing thing. The godliest person
is always the one who serves the most,

769
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:06.360
not the one who rules the most. And we really have power wrong,

770
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.639
and we look at Jesus Christ right, so we have the ultimate power.

771
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.760
Jesus said, I can call down
angels and wipe all these people out

772
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.519
right now if I want to.
But instead he lowered his head in humility,

773
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.960
and he says, that's the person
I'm going to elevate in the last

774
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.880
days. See Ephesians chapter three.
Says that it's a fascinating verse that I've

775
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.119
read a million times as a friend
of mine, Tim Dunn point it's out

776
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:28.920
to me one day, and I'm
like, how could I not have seen

777
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.559
that? It says that God is
teaching the full extent of his wisdom to

778
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.639
the powers and the authorities in the
heavens from the church, which is you

779
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:42.320
and me. David, Now,
what world do you or I have to

780
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.679
teach the angels that are run for
millions of years, what's the one thing,

781
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:49.480
what's the one experience that we have
that they don't have. We live

782
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.519
life by faith. This is our
one chance this lifetime that we have.

783
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.000
The Bible says that the angels look
on us with fascination. They can't understand

784
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.320
it. They see things as they
really are. We see things as through

785
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:06.360
it to glass darkly, as says
I think it's in James. So this

786
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.280
is the one chance we have to
make a massive impact for the rest of

787
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:14.960
our lives. What will we do
today? And this is why it's so

788
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.159
important to not be tied into what
does the world think, what's the world's

789
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.840
opinion. Truth is eternal. It's
not dictated on what the United States of

790
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.800
America's culture happens to think. It's
dictated on what does God say at the

791
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.280
beginning of the foundations of time?
This is truth. I have a very

792
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.199
strong conviction on gravity, and therefore
you won't find me walking up to a

793
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.679
cliff and jumping off, right.
Do I have that same conviction on the

794
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:44.039
trust on the promises that the Lord
Jesus made in the Bible? Frankly,

795
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.159
no, I don't. I have
a lot of faith compared to most people,

796
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.960
But Jesus isn't comparing me to most
people's comparing me to the truth of

797
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.880
heaven. How far am I in
that conviction? Could you? Or I

798
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:59.039
be like Saint Jerome being barbecued and
singing songs and go and I can't wait

799
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:00.800
to get to heaven because man,
my worlward gonna be great. Yeah,

800
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.480
not that I don't know that I
ever will be, but I'm sure I'm

801
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:12.639
striving towards that. So that's that's
fantastic. Number six. Unity. Unity

802
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.079
Really a lot of that goes around
racial reconciliation, which is something that Promise

803
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.960
Keepers was really big in the nineties. Promise Keepers actually the kind of the

804
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.239
originator of diversity and all this bringing
different races together. I do think,

805
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.760
like we talked about earlier, it's
one of those things that can become a

806
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.119
god. It can take over where
you're at. You're saying, I'm just

807
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.880
going to love a black man today
because I'm white and I'm going to Well,

808
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.440
that's not going to do anybody any
good? Is it coming from a

809
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:43.840
heart of Christ? So unity is
about unity in every aspect. If you

810
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.280
look at our board. You started
to mention our board of directors and Randy

811
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:51.440
ol Courts on our pastors board.
And I've known Randy for she's forty five

812
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.760
years. I've tried to get him
on. When I reached out to him

813
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last time, his wife was dying
of cancer, and I certainly understood wasn't

814
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doing interviews that point in time.
Yeah, he's a he's a good,

815
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good guy. But if you look
at our board, you know we have

816
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Senator in Lankford who's a Baptist pastor
before he became a US senator. And

817
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we have uh Sam Rodriguez who's a
Pentecostal pastor, and we have you know,

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Pentecostals, Baptists everybody around. We're
unified around the cause of what we've

819
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been talking about, not around doctrinal
differences. And we have great doctoral differences.

820
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I mean Sam is an eye.
We've we've had some two hour rates,

821
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great debates on different doctoral issues,
and we love each other and it

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never never is their anger. So
unity is around racial unity about understanding,

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you know, other people have different
experiences. It's also understanding theological differences.

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It's okay to disagree, It's okay
if you've been speaking in tongues and I

825
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don't. It's okay if you're prep
you know, pre triven, I'm post

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millennial and all those things. These
are things just to to sharpen each other

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and have good conversations on. I
just had a pastor of a small church

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but very intellectual. He gave a
great podcast on post millennial, which is

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something I really didn't understand. Called
them up, explain that to me.

830
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You know, here's how I see
it. And he said, well,

831
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here's how I see it. He'd
studied, and we had a great conversation

832
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for an hour and a half around
those issues. We need to come to

833
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each other in humility but in unity
and say, well you see this differently

834
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than I do. I really want
to learn from you. I did have

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that majorly controversial issue in the church
and I went to a huge pastor and

836
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I sat down and I said,
look, you believe this and I don't

837
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believe that, and I don't understand
way you believe it. He goes,

838
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you really want to have this debate. I go, I don't want to

839
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have a debate. I want to
learn from you. I want to want

840
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to think that way because maybe I'm
missing something, and after two hours I

841
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realized I wasn't missing anything, but
this is this is the spirit with which

842
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we need to come together as Christians. Sure, sure, yeah, you're

843
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you're not compromising on truth, but
you want to understand where they're coming from

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and have that discussion. Promise seven
the final one here obedience. Well,

845
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wasn't that That's part of the found
everything I've just said, isn't it.

846
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I mean Jesus said, if you
love me, keep my commandments. I

847
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was. I was in a major
meeting of megachurch pastors, like forty of

848
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them, and we're all sitting around
on something and I was invited. I

849
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don't know why I was invited,
but I'm sitting there and somebody was reading

850
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from Luke and one of the pastors
and I realized afterwards most of these really

851
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really liberal megachurch pastors. And he
said, I don't believe in that Jesus,

852
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so that Jesus was mean, and
my Jesus was never mean. So

853
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I said to him, while it
says in Luke, you know, Jesus

854
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said I came to set the world
on fire, and how I wish it

855
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was already alight. That sounds pretty
mean to me. Jesus said, well,

856
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I choose not to believe in that
Jesus. And I said, well,

857
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if you don't believe in that,
Jesus, then you don't believe in

858
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.719
Jesus. You believe in it,
I don't call Jesus. And I think

859
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.519
that's where we're at today. There
is a lot of people don't actually know

860
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.320
Jesus. They don't know who he
is. They have invented a god in

861
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.119
their own heads, and they've slapped
the name of Jesus on him. Because

862
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.679
if you read the Gospels, you
will see Jesus was extremely confrontational around truth,

863
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.519
never around frivolous issues. God said
to Jeremiah, if you speak noble

864
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words and not worthless ones, you
will be my spokesman. So it is

865
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as a Christian we will be in
confrontation all the time. It's upon us,

866
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.119
though, to speak noble words and
not worthless ones. It's not about

867
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.079
whether we're getting in screaming arguments about
who belongs in the National Championship, is

868
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:28.639
it Oregon or is it Alabama or
Optimus, or whether there should be a

869
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.519
border wall. But we do be
very diligent about all the issues we've talked

870
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about today. If you love me
keep my commandments. That defines a man

871
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or woman of God. Well,
I tell you there's a lot of wisdom

872
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in what you've had to say here, and I'm sure there's a lot of

873
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:47.639
wisdom in your book, A Daring
Faith and a Cowardly World, and I

874
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.719
will be picking that up. And
it's available at Amazon and everywhere the books

875
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:57.239
are sold. I'm assuming that it's
at Promise Keepers dot org. And you've

876
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got a website as well. Tell
us the so your website. I had

877
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.800
it here but I lost it.
Where can people find you? In particular

878
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.000
kenar Harrison dot com Ken R.
Harrison? Okay, Yeah, there's a

879
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:13.880
whole lot of Ken Harrison's out there. One of them is a gay porn

880
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.880
writer. So don't don't go to
Okay, so remember r R that's the

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one you're on. I go to
and someone who's had you've had so much

882
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:27.320
experience as a as a CEO of
international company, a marine, a police

883
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:32.519
officer. But I think that probably
I don't. You were definitely suited for

884
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.000
what you're doing right now with Promise
Keepers. Thank you so much for what

885
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you're doing. Appreciate it, thank
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