WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.720 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:29.359 day, Now here's Nick Coffee. One of the things that I have not 3 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:34.320 discussed today, and it really isn't something you know that I'm just eager to 4 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.640 dive into and discuss. But it is a big story and that is the 5 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:45.159 uh the UK swimming coach lawsuit, which in fact it's a lawsuit, uh 6 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:51.079 that is that is from former swimmers at the University of Kentucky. And the 7 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.799 only reason I'm bringing up it starts five o'clock hours because Tim Sullivan. You 8 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.560 know how Sully does. I mean, he's got the he's the Capitol j 9 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:00.439 he's got the sharpest pencil in town. And he's going to get to the 10 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:02.399 bottom of it, right. I mean, there's gonna be no scenario. 11 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:06.719 Mitch Barnhart talked about it yesterday, but he said Tim Tim Sullivan said he 12 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.959 spoke with one of the one of the attorneys for the one of the former 13 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.239 swimmers at the University of Kentucky who is suing the University of Kentucky as well 14 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.439 as their former swim coach, Lars Jorgensen's because of his alleged sexual violence. 15 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:26.040 But apparently there's gonna be a press conference from that attorney I think Wednesday. 16 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.239 Yeah, there'll be a zoom press conference Wednesday to discuss the case. So, 17 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.879 I mean when that happens, doesn't it typically mean that they're eager to 18 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.359 like really, I mean, this is the attorney for those suings, so 19 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.200 I'm sure they're going to probably just discuss the heinous allegations that are made by 20 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.920 the swimmers that this attorney's representing. So Barnhart was asked about it yesterday and 21 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.239 said that, you know, he can't comment on it, cannot comment on 22 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:55.040 it because it's illegal matter, which I assume it's probably the truth. But 23 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.400 at some point, I mean, they're going to need to defend them else, 24 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.599 and they will in court, I'm sure. But I mean, here's 25 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.040 just a little bit of what is alleged in the lawsuits. So, based 26 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:12.280 on interviews and documents obtained by the UK from UK via an open records request 27 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.000 and the complaint, the allegations against their former coach include this, he raped 28 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:22.120 two members of the swim team of following their team Christmas parties at his home, 29 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.479 raped one of the individuals in hotels on team trips, and I'm not 30 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:28.719 gonna say the word. It's not something I can't say. But you know, 31 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:35.439 did something to himself in front of his players in his office, sent 32 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.960 a member of the of the women's swim team photos of you know it, 33 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:45.000 sent him chaft shots and just videos of himself, you know, being in 34 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:51.240 ultimate creep. And then he told different sex stories about himself two members of 35 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.800 the swim team and talked to them often about women he fantasized about having sex 36 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:00.840 with. He asked swimmers about their sexual experience and commented on their their bodies 37 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:06.319 and just an all around slim bag. But it says here the last one 38 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.680 I'll read before and if you want to. The Athletic has the full story 39 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:13.400 with all the allegations if you want to check it out. But it says 40 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.280 he implemented punishment workouts in violation of the NCAA policy, made degrading comments, 41 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:22.719 and body shamed the swimmers. He also withheld food from athletes after poor performances 42 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.759 and assigned extra workouts to swimmers whose body fat percentage exceeded a limit he determined. 43 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:31.280 He told one swimmer she reminded him of the fat people that walked around 44 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:38.280 the mall. So that's a bad look. And really what makes it awful 45 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:44.120 is that before he was hired by Kentucky there are emails from I don't want 46 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.759 to get the school wrong, because you know, having this guy affiliated with 47 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.199 your program in any way and your school is not a good look. But 48 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.719 I believe it was a school in the mac that's where he came from before 49 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.879 Kentucky hired him. And during that process a former player at one of those 50 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.479 schools had reached out to UK to let them know about this guy, and 51 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.280 they didn't you know, and they didn't pursue it, or didn't you know 52 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.639 they didn't take I shouldn't say they didn't pursue it. I don't know. 53 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:10.639 Maybe we'll find out that they vetted that information and found it to be not 54 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.000 true. But either way, this is a bad look overall. So at 55 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.480 press conference Wednesday, I mean, I guess Kentucky, the University of Kentucky 56 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.800 and Mitch Barnhardt, they're probably going to do what their lawyer told them to 57 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.120 do, which is shut up. Well, we'll fight this out in court 58 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.279 and defend ourselves there. But the more these these victims and their attorney talk, 59 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.839 I think the more people are gonna want, you know, the University 60 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.360 of Kentucky to at least do something and say something, but they probably won't, 61 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:41.120 So just a messy situation all around. Anyways, welcome in our number 62 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.279 three Coffee and Company. We are feeled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven 63 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:48.199 to ninety new era in this state for both basketball programs. We've known that, 64 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:49.879 which is why I said at the start of the show, it kind 65 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.920 of feels like we're picking up or we left off on Friday. But with 66 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:59.600 Kentucky fans completely filling Rapperini yesterday for a press conference, I think it's safe 67 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:01.040 to say that they're all in on Mark Pope. I think it's safe to 68 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.600 say Louisville fans are all in on Pat Kelsey, and that alone is exciting 69 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:08.560 for the rivalry. Now. I hope Kentucky and Mark Pope lose every game, 70 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:13.040 and you know, none of us know how anybody's really going to do, 71 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.120 but the fact that we both have something, there's some renewed energy here 72 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.879 in the rivalry, which has me certainly excited. But because of it being 73 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:26.399 a rivalry, I know we are in very similar situations with these two fan 74 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:34.319 bases where neither side ever thought the guy that's currently the coach that as the 75 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:39.959 title head men's basketball coach at Louisville or Kentucky. Pat Kelsey Mark Pope were 76 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:44.639 not names that a month ago any of us thought were realistic and probably wouldn't 77 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:46.680 have even taken it serious. I mean, is that fair to say, 78 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.199 Joan, you're an outsider a month ago on March fifteenth? If I would 79 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:55.120 have told you that Mark Pope would be Kentucky's coach and Louisville would have Pat 80 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.319 Kelsey, you know. Or let's say you told fans that, they would 81 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.480 not believe you, right, they would think there's no laughed at Jeff Goodman 82 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:06.959 from Pat Kelson. That's right. So it kind of played out exactly the 83 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.360 same. You have panic, you have fear because first of all, maybe 84 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.040 there's I mean, I don't know if it's shame embarrassment, but around here 85 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.720 the fan bases are really prideful about their program and Louisville. Again, I 86 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.439 get it, there's some easy jokes to be made there because Louisville won twelve 87 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:27.639 games in two years, but it's still a great program in a great job, 88 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.439 and I honestly thought more than anything. The reason Louisville wouldn't go in 89 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.560 that direction is because of how important it is to not take a step back 90 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:41.959 here. Then again, let's be real, like how many we're in a 91 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.839 new era here right where a lot of these guys that are that are really 92 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.079 emerging as the elite tier on the younger side, right, the up and 93 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.839 comers, if you will, they're they're doing it via the mid major route 94 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.839 and getting an opportunity to bigger level and they're and they're knocking it out of 95 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.199 the park. So you know, I just thought Louislle wouldn't do it, 96 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.199 not because you know we're better than that, because like, we can't risk 97 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.600 it. We'll go get somebody, We'll go get tom cream before we get 98 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.800 a guy who's never played in the tournament or never won a game in the 99 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:11.600 tournament. But sure enough, you know I was wrong, and I now 100 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.360 realize that, and this is something we talked about before. Right. You 101 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.240 want a guy that's hungry, You want a guy that would want that wants 102 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:20.399 to be here so badly that he'll be fine with knowing he wasn't the top 103 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:27.000 choice, but he will absolutely thrive. Well I shouldn't say thrive but he'll 104 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.199 he'll take advantage of the opportunity that he has and either succeed or die trying, 105 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:36.800 because that's how hungry he is to really excel at a at this level. 106 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.000 So you know, we're all and I mean all fans on each each 107 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.079 side are are, you know, feeling great about the future. But the 108 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.720 one thing I feel like we can you know, on the Louisville side, 109 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.920 Like, I mean, why were there why were there so many grown ups 110 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:57.199 talking about tears yesterday at Rupperna, Like I love this stuff, right, 111 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.480 It's something I still can't believe I've able to, you know, turn it 112 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.879 into a career for me where I get to just yap about these teams locally 113 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.839 and it's awesome. And you know, I talk all the time about the 114 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.000 rivalry being so much different in Louisville because you experience it just at a different 115 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.120 level because there's so many of both sides in this humongous city. I mean, 116 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.839 it's not one of the bigger cities in America, but you know what 117 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.079 I mean, and we all co exist together. So I love the rivalry, 118 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.800 but what would bring genuine like you know, everybody's got certain things that 119 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.079 bring tears to their eyes, but the amount of grown men tweeting out how 120 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:35.440 they couldn't stop crying while Mark Pope talked what about it? Like gave you 121 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.679 the I mean, I just don't get that. I can't relate. I'm 122 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.720 not judging, because you know, I'm sure there's things that'll bring tears to 123 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.320 my eyes that you guys would say what the hell's wrong with you? And 124 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.360 I'm not saying what the hell's wrong with you? But like, I just 125 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.799 the guy is never coached a game. You could be excited, but I 126 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.799 feel like the emotion that would bring tears is like I can't believe we did 127 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:03.480 it, we won the national championship or uh, what does Kamala Harris say? 128 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.440 We did it, Joe, like, you know, like some achievement, 129 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.919 like oh my god, like we worked so hard for this. The 130 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.320 guy showed up to be introduced as your coach, and he said a lot 131 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.360 of good stuff. But he wasn't even being sentimental. He wasn't being sappy. 132 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:20.960 He was just being I mean, he was just being genuine. And 133 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.679 I like Mark Pope, I mean, I'm gonna want him to not get 134 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.279 any players he wants. I want him to lose every game and maybe eventually 135 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.639 I'll learn to, you know, have a dislike for him. But I 136 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:31.559 don't think he's gonna be very good villain. To be honest with you, 137 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.519 he'll be kind of an easy punching bag if he does, like the corny 138 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.159 stuff and all that, but he's gonna give us to me. He's got 139 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.559 a little bit of Tubby Smith in him. And what I mean by that 140 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:50.720 is that Tubby seemed like the most likable guy ever at Kentucky, and I 141 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.080 think he was, like he's still somebody that I've never heard anybody say a 142 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.919 bad thing about. I think Mark Pope's gonna be viewed as that same kind 143 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:58.960 of guy. But with Tubby, he won a title in his first year, 144 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.039 so that kind of that kind of gave him a little bit of of 145 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.120 Okay, he's a nice guy, but man like he's he's really really good, 146 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.919 So we don't like him. I don't know if that's gonna happen with 147 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.440 Mark Pope, but he did. I thought, you know, from an 148 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.519 outsider who listened to a good chunk of his press conference and heard not only 149 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.240 his part, but the questions that he was asked and how he answered him. 150 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.159 It's one thing to say the right things, you know, win the 151 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.720 press conference, play all the hits right. But you know it was different 152 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.320 for Kentucky fans. I think to here's somebody do that, but clearly know 153 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.240 that he's one of you. And that's a genuine connection. This guy loves 154 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.840 Kentucky. Not just because he played there. I mean, that's a part 155 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:41.080 of it, but at every stop he's been at as a coach Utah Valley 156 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.679 State, BYU, even as an assistant at places like Georgia and BYU. 157 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.519 I mean, he is somebody that will go out of his way to let 158 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:50.799 people know he played a Kentucky. He's a Kentucky Wildcat. So I think 159 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.799 to hear that, I mean, I get how it's like cool, but 160 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.399 like why, I just don't, you know, the emotion the tears is 161 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.519 just kind of I don't know, like and maybe part of it is like 162 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.240 me thinking about it from a Louisville perspective, Do you know how bad we 163 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:11.039 were the last two years? Had three thousand people showed up to games. 164 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.960 In the last two years, Louisvills lost to more Division two teams than they've 165 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:20.960 won games away from their home arena. We didn't cry and Pat Kelsey Man, 166 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.919 he came and did his thing at the press conference and was a master 167 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.200 with the words, right, I mean, just self deprecating, telling stories. 168 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.159 I mean, just holding court, doing the damn thing as they say, 169 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.840 you may cry, Like, I just I don't like it'd be one 170 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:43.039 thing if you guys, if I could guess as to what really really stood 171 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.960 out that may have brought that emotion over you, is like here's my thing, 172 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.240 y'all ain't been through nothing, Like what do y'all the dude do you 173 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.879 that you know that played there? Now being hired as your coach is a 174 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.639 cool moment, but like the tears of like, oh my god, this 175 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.039 like what if y'all been I mean, I just don't I don't understand the 176 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.159 climax there. I like to know is how many of the people who were 177 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:07.080 crying were super pissed off? Probably all of them or maybe you know, 178 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.039 maybe not pissed off, but just kind of like, you know, like 179 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.799 no way, yeah, yeah. So I don't know. I just I 180 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:20.240 think to play you know, psychologists here, I think it reminded him how 181 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.720 much they actually hated Caliperry. I know a lot of them didn't want him 182 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.600 gone, and they really didn't want him gone once you found out it was 183 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.519 going to be somebody named Mark Pope. But what he did yesterday that I 184 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:39.039 was a little envious of was he owned the moment at the presser, meeting 185 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.399 the presser itself as a guy who said all the right things, but he 186 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.919 did something nobody else could do in that role. Right, he gets it. 187 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.360 He's one of them. Like he can speak on what Kentucky basketball means 188 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.919 and he's not just saying it because he just got the job, and he 189 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.039 knows it's a big deal, right Like he's he's experienced it. So that's 190 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.440 like Jeff Brown, Louisville couldn't pay I mean, Louisville couldn't pay money to 191 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.919 recreate Jeff Bram as far as him understanding what this is and it being a 192 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.679 part of him. You know, Jeff Brohm, whenever he coached at Purdue, 193 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.080 I'm sure he wanted to kill Louisville when they played they played once. 194 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:18.440 I believe it was, And I know his primary focus was winning at Purdue. 195 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.639 But there's never gonna be a scenario orre if he's not the coacher, 196 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.440 he's not checking it on scores because it's he helped build it, like it's 197 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.600 part of him. Mark Pope is not. I don't think the player that 198 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.720 Jeff is to football for Louisville, and I don't think Pope is that for 199 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.159 basketball. But he did play out a national championship team, you know, 200 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:39.759 so that's a special moment. So I thought it was as an outsider, 201 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:41.840 meaning somebody that really doesn't care if he does well or does awful on the 202 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.960 press conference or anything like that. He was very calculated to where he said 203 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.840 some things that were quite clear shots at Calipari and the way he did things 204 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.240 and how he handled stuff, But he also did it in such a nice 205 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.679 like it wasn't in any way personal. There wasn't any real animosity attached to 206 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.919 it. But you know, make no mistake about it. He talked about 207 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.759 going to you know, the winning hanging banners for the SEC tournament. We 208 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:13.360 care about that kind of stuff. And the one thing that is quite clearly 209 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.480 a shot at John cal Perry. It's actually kind of silly if you're a 210 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.320 Kentucky fan, you know what I'm talking about. But like Cow would never 211 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.679 go to zone, would never switched up defensively, like he was so stubborn. 212 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.639 Only going to do it this way was was zone, no, no 213 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.919 full court pressure, just you know, just playing man to man, Pope 214 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.159 bringing up you know, we're gona mix up our defenses. We'll do different 215 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.960 things like that's clearly a shot at Cal And I think hearing a guy claim, 216 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.039 you know, here's here's something that is that always fascinated me about Cali 217 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.240 Perry in his air at Kentucky, he had the best job in the world. 218 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.000 No school could pay him more money than Kentucky. I mean, the 219 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.919 only other school that you would claim is on par with that job is maybe 220 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.919 Kansas, But like you know, I'd still give Kentucky the edge. So 221 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.200 this is a guy who had a lifetime contract making an insane amount of money. 222 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.559 There's nowhere else he can climb on the ladder within college basketball than where 223 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:07.039 he was at in Lexington. But he never once felt like I should really 224 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.120 buckle down and make some adjustments and you know, get this thing fixed, 225 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.799 because man, I've got the opportunity of a lifetime here and I I don't 226 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.639 and I want I don't. I don't want to lose it. And you 227 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.639 know, he at times was I guess just stubborn, arrogant, whatever it 228 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.200 was. But like he knew that you all hated whenever he talked about the 229 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:33.720 talked about the the the NBA play, Like what did he say that the 230 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.039 night they got six or five players drafted in the first round was like the 231 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.360 best moment in program history. Like he knew that you all hated that, 232 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.559 and he it like he used it as fuel. I think to like continuously 233 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:50.559 like let that be the brand. So I don't know. I just again, 234 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.000 I'm sure I've cried about things, and it's that that that my emotions 235 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.759 have have got the best to me about something that nobody else would understand. 236 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.519 But like, I don't know what would make you cry, Like again, 237 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.399 if it's happy tears, it's cool, it's a feel good but like, 238 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:10.480 what's the climax, right, Like what accomplishment was made? I guess just 239 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:17.600 having somebody that is embracing that job and embracing I guess you all as fans, 240 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.720 and I guess if it's people who grew up watching Mark Pope play and 241 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:25.639 now you see him leading your program, and if you're imagining the possibility of 242 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:29.879 him taking you to heights that you haven't seen in ten years. I mean 243 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.559 that could do something. Maybe it's a little mutch with you. That's probably 244 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:33.879 what it is, I think more than anything. And you weren't alive to 245 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.320 experience this, but it's that era, and that era was never forgotten because 246 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.120 they won two championships in ninety six and ninety eight, and as I mentioned 247 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.159 earlier, I think they're ninety seventeen was better, but that era was not 248 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:52.840 really embraced at a high level because the guy who was coaching you, you 249 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.799 know, for the last fourteen years, hated the guy who was a part 250 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.519 of that, who was responsible for that era, which is Patino. So 251 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.480 I think just to see the the all the ninety six guys there yesterday, 252 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.480 I guess that's probably something that brought out emotions and whatnot, and that hadn't 253 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.720 hadn't happened in a long time. But I think that nineties era, like 254 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.359 that's going to be their brand, right because that's where Pope, that's where 255 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.519 Pope was a part of and they won two titles in three years, and 256 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.240 like again, it wasn't as if anybody was disrespecting that era and acting as 257 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:26.759 if like that wasn't a big deal. But like Cali Perry wasn't gonna go 258 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.920 out of his way to prop up the nineties at Kentucky. You know why 259 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.519 because the guy who was responsible for it is a guy he hates in Rick 260 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.240 Purtino. And again that's why I think if you missed it earlier, we 261 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.559 talked about it. Eric Pertino just each day throwing out something on Twitter talking 262 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.079 about how much he's just, you know, so happy for Kentucky and Mark 263 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.160 Pope. He did the video last week saying he'd write the nil check if 264 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.480 they need money, which technically I'm not sure he's allowed to do as a 265 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.880 college basketball coach. But either way, I truly believe that Rick is one 266 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:03.400 thousand percent happy and over the moon about this because he's had a lot of 267 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.079 great players that have gone on to be good coaches. I mean that have 268 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.880 been I mean Billy Donovan won back to back national championships in the in the 269 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.920 two thousands. I mean, he's had some really good players and even I 270 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.960 mean, and I'm not just talking about guys that were you know, coaches 271 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.799 that coach, and I'm talking about guys that were players and then went in 272 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.039 to be coaches. But Mark Pope is like, this is the coolest story 273 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.559 probably for him, because this is a guy who's now coaching at the place 274 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.039 where they were a part of a national championship together. So you know, 275 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.640 the Rick dynamic here is going to be odd because I truly believe Rick has 276 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:48.039 a great appreciation and love for both fan bases. Now there's one fan base 277 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.200 that it's gonna be tough for them to you know, I mean, the 278 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.640 whole time Rick Patino was at Louisville, I think Kentucky fans, I think 279 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.599 they enjoyed making fun of Rick Pertino more than they enjoyed anything. And I 280 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:06.559 get it. There was some things that gave the rival some ammunition that like, 281 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:11.279 you know, we're preventable, like the por Chinese fifteen second incident with 282 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.079 Karen Seiffer, the Minority Hall Katina pal like, don't say we didn't, 283 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.440 you know, load the gun for you, right. But when he comes 284 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.279 back, which he's going to, and Mark Pope's gonna talk him up, 285 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.559 and it's going to be such a moment some of you are going to feel 286 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.319 bad because you're like, man, I love this guy. I'm a fan 287 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.000 because of what happened in the nineties and for the last you know, twenty 288 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.680 years. I've just been making jokes about him only lasting fifteen seconds on a 289 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:41.920 table at an Italian restaurant. True story, by the way. So anyways, 290 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.119 we'll get back into the recruiting stuff, well, the portal and the 291 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.039 recruiting stuff on the other side, because obviously you know that's never ending, 292 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.640 and there's many players that have entered the portal that are going to be big 293 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.160 time priorities for a lot of schools. They just entered the portal within the 294 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.319 last few hours, like since the show started, So it is it never 295 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.039 anymore. We'll get back into that on the other side. But what I 296 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:03.759 want to do here is go to the phone on five way twof i'e nine 297 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.279 hundred is the number. If you'd like to give us a call. Let's 298 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.559 go to Rob Robi. You're on Sports Talk seven ninety. How are you, 299 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:12.960 Nick, I'm doing great. How in the world are you, buddy? 300 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:15.559 Good to hear from you, brother. How you been. Oh, 301 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.759 I've been great, man. I found I just got back in town, 302 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.519 and of course there's so much going on here. I've had to listen to 303 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.240 most of this from abroad, Nick, and I gotta tell you it's been 304 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.200 an emotional roller coaster. However, as much as it's been a roller coaster 305 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.960 for me and for you and the rest of these lovely Cardinal fans, I 306 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:44.640 must say that after I saw twenty two thousand screaming go Big Blue fans in 307 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.559 rupp Arena yesterday, which was amazing to see, what made it most amazing 308 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.039 to me Nick, because I can't describe what the UK fans have gone through 309 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.960 as a roller coaster at all. I've got to say that's the most fickle 310 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.880 fan base ever seen. Because all last week, from the moment they said 311 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:04.519 Coach Pope or as your son said, Coach Poop was on his way, 312 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.599 all I heard was I'm never man to take it again. I swear folk 313 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.519 goodness, I can't believe it. Barr and Hart needs to be fire. 314 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.359 That's all I heard everywhere. I mean it was even the national media. 315 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:25.200 Everything they had to talk about was you know, UK fans they're just wow. 316 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:32.160 I mean they're really And then yesterday twenty two thousand out there we love 317 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:38.000 you, coach. I mean it's I've never seen a more dramatic, just 318 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:45.960 total spin from burning down that you know, Lexington to we love you twenty 319 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.759 two thousand deep. It's really amazing. I mean, were you not thrown 320 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.680 off by that? Yeah? I mean I thought that they would have a 321 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.680 good crowd, because you know, they just that's what they do. But 322 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.559 to see that many people show up before ever hearing him talk or really knowing 323 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.000 who was gonna be on the team, it does speak to just how insanely 324 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.759 large their fan base is. There's a ton of them, but I mean, 325 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:07.559 I think even can I mean, there's a reason they delayed. I 326 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.640 think is because they didn't expect there to be that many people there. And 327 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.480 my only theory, Rob is that like this, it's just not Caliperry in 328 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.480 that deep down they didn't realize as a fan base how much they actually hated 329 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.400 that guy the last four or five years or something. Well, I'll tell 330 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:29.759 you what it's gotta be. If I'm Mark Pope right now, I'm a 331 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.759 little bit excited, and I'm a little bit nervous because he heard all this 332 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.400 stuff. Oh quickly, the turn happened, so he knows they can turn 333 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.359 it on the drop of a dime. And if he loses Sicken to Louisville. 334 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.920 You know, I'm sure he's got that in his mind. If he 335 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.519 starts off the season and you know, has a couple of disappointing losses, 336 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.960 if it's recruiting class doesn't have a couple of Hamburgers, right, He's he's 337 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.880 got to be sweating some Oh, no doubt about it. Rob. I'll 338 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:03.160 say this, man, I think that the leash with him will be really, 339 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.440 really, really short, despite him being a former player and despiting him 340 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.599 being a guy that they're going to like. And it's because you know, 341 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:14.559 Cal Perry didn't retire. Kyle Perry's now a competitor and you know, an 342 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.559 enemy essentially in your own league. And I don't know how good Col's gonna 343 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:18.720 be, but you know what he's gonna get. He's gonna get five star 344 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:22.400 players at Arkansas. He's gonna get big name transfers, and he's going to 345 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:27.680 have the Arkansas relevant and Mark Pope unfortunately, he has to win big for 346 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.200 them to be They're always gonna be relevant in the sport because they're Kentucky. 347 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.039 But you know what I mean, Like, he's not a larger than live 348 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:34.759 figure. He doesn't have a resume that people can point to and say, 349 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.319 Wow, this guy is elite. He was elite here let's see if he 350 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:41.079 can do it to Kentucky. So you know, all they're gonna do now, 351 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:41.799 and that's what louisvill fans are gonna do too, Right, there's a 352 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.599 lot of momentum with Pat Kelsey and fans are seeing his energy. It's infectious 353 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:48.920 and you know, we'll see what happens when this roster gets put together. 354 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.559 But that's where I think Kentucky is gonna be much different next year because Louisville, 355 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.359 let's be honest, like we won twelve games in two years, so 356 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.240 we want Pat Kelsey to win the national championship next year, but also just 357 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.759 being back in the mix with the tournament would be a big step in the 358 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.200 right direction. But Kentucky, if Mark Pope, you know, somehow just 359 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:11.240 is a bubble guy next year, they're gonna lose their minds absolutely, and 360 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.079 he now has seen how that can swing. But I'm enough about Mark, 361 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.799 enough about uk Nick. You you said something earlier, you said, you 362 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.680 said, you know who really thought that Louisville would have Look I've been away 363 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.039 too long, I said, Louisville. Who I was thought that Louisville would 364 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:33.000 have would have a Pat Kelsey at the hit coaching spot, and Nick, 365 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.799 I gotta be honest, I didn't think it would be. I didn't know 366 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:40.759 who it would be, but I was pretty sure that whoever we got was 367 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.799 going to be someone from that tier of coaches. And the main reason is 368 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.039 we lost our mystique with me, with the Kitty Payne hour, with Kenny 369 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.319 pet Payne higher. And I've explained it to people this way. You know 370 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:59.920 that really cute, beautiful girl that you know, everybody thought was so untouchable, 371 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:02.200 you know, they were afraid to talk to hers, like, oh 372 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.720 my god, you know, I mean anybody that she even looked at was 373 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.960 always like a jock or or somebody who had a lot of money or a 374 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.519 nice car. Right. Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 375 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.640 The moment that girl gets caught, you know, on the corner of 376 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:22.359 eighteenth Street, you know, doing something promiscuous with a nobody, all of 377 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.960 that clout, all of that mistique, all of that draw vanishes, because 378 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.079 now the mindset becomes, you know, anybody can have her, you know, 379 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:37.359 that whole untouchable mystique. You gotta be somebody, you know, to 380 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:41.119 to be considered by her. You know that used to be us the University 381 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.680 of Louisville was that girl. We were that untouchable. You didn't get you 382 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:49.079 didn't get to be considered. Louisill didn't call you unless you were like somebody 383 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.519 who one day was gonna be in the Hall of Fame. If you weren't 384 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.920 that guy, if you weren't of that tier, you didn't get looked at 385 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:04.279 by the University of Louisville. And then they caught us on the corner offering 386 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:08.880 up the goods to someone who never had been a hit coach, even at 387 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.519 a high school man. This that is the best way to to to to 388 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.440 describe it. And I mean, because you're right, like nobody would say 389 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.759 that she isn't still good looking and that she still doesn't have, you know, 390 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.359 all the qualities that that you you would want. But however, that 391 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.400 mystique is gone. I mean that that's a that's very very well said. 392 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.279 And and if you're if you're gonna be joint if you're taking the job, 393 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.279 and the only two guys that have had it in the last I don't know, 394 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.799 sixty years or Rick Patino Denny Crumb, different situation. Well, you 395 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.880 know, now there was there was an in between and and and and Rob, 396 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.880 I appreciate the call. I gotta run to break. Really good to 397 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.519 hear from you. Man, don't be a stranger. I always love when 398 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.240 you call in. And uh, that was really well done. As far 399 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.839 as like describing why Louisville again, nobody's claiming we ain't a good program that 400 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.119 has had success. And you know, can can can win the champion, 401 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.519 can win national titles, but that mostique was gone because again we hired a 402 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:04.039 guy that like, you know, we know. I've said this many times 403 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.480 when it comes to the free agency that we now have in college sports, 404 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.000 and we talk about college sports here more than we talk about anything and this 405 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:18.319 you know sports radio market in Kentucky, and and now you can talk about 406 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.680 it for more throughout the year than you used to be able to because again, 407 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.400 you know, new teams, guys leaving, you know, tracking in 408 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.799 IL money and how important it is to get a certain player. I mean, 409 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.000 I'm not saying it's like the most interesting stuff. I find it to 410 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.960 be interesting, but again, it lets us talk about college sports more year 411 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:37.680 round than we used to. But I'm not kidding you when I tell you 412 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.839 it's hard to keep up with because I'm since the show has started. Every 413 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.119 time we go to break and I refresh Twitter. You know, it's not 414 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.759 just it's not just Louisville and Kentucky players that are either entering, like for 415 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.880 example, JJ trainor earlier committed to go to De Paul. We talked to 416 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.640 Earli about Aaron Bradshaw. He's going to Ohio State. But really, what 417 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:02.240 really I mean makes it difficult? Is it like Louisville now is going to 418 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.079 have to add like a ton of players right Kentucky may be doing the same 419 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.160 thing, and it's just it's it's tough to keep up with. But hey, 420 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.160 it's exciting at least I think it is all right. I was two. 421 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.960 If I have seven, one seventy nine hundred is the number. If 422 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.680 you guys want to jump in and give us a call, Let's go back 423 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.680 to the phone lines and welcome in, Danny. Danny, you're on Sports 424 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.720 Talk seven ninety. How are you good? Nick? I have a question, 425 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.839 And I know I think every fan base, like like your last caller, 426 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.240 every fan base does that. You guys hated Rick Patino, so he 427 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.000 came to you all of course, Arkansas fans hated Cal Now they love him 428 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.960 that's the silliest thing when you're on those messages. Kentucky fans hated Rick when 429 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.160 he was here, and then if he comes back and him and him and 430 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.720 Poper holding court like it's going to be something that is awesome to them. 431 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.640 And the same with Kelsey. I mean, you guys were were kind of 432 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.400 lukewarm at bathroom. Oh I would say, I would say we weren't lukewarm. 433 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.119 I'd say we were worse than that. Yeah. So but I guess 434 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.880 I guess My question is I do feel like and I don't want to be 435 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.599 confrontation with those things, but and I don't like the little other moniker, 436 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.799 but I do feel like, just for instance, like I grew up in 437 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.759 eastern Kentucky, my died in the wool UK fan live in Louisville now, 438 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.839 so I just kind of caught your show driving home, and I'm addicted to 439 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.920 it now, thank you. Like my family, what they know about Pat 440 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:21.440 Kelsey is nothing nothing. And then Louisville fans, I've already texted me, 441 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.759 well, Mark Pope's offense looks like this. I just feel and maybe, 442 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:26.839 like I said, maybe it's the other way that I can only see through 443 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.680 the blue colored lenses. But I feel like Louisville fans the little brother Moniker 444 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.440 for us comes more from you know, as soon as football schedules will come 445 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.160 out, three Louisville fans will text me and say, well, youk's gonna 446 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.160 have a hard time at Tennessee this year. And I can't tell you who 447 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.400 Louisville plays in football. And I feel like when we play, you all, 448 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.119 yeah, that week's fun and that week, but I feel like it's 449 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.640 three sixty five for Louisll fans. And maybe that's just my lens of it. 450 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.960 Maybe if you ask a Louisll fan, they would say, you know, 451 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.799 every time I listen to Matt Jones, all he's talking about is Louisville. 452 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.759 But I honestly was just curious on your take. You see it, 453 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:00.640 you think that's everything. Well, Danny, I appreciate the call, and 454 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.039 I appreciate you listening, and I appreciate your honesty because you know, you 455 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.759 mentioned that it could be sort of your lens the way you see it, 456 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.640 and I think that's the way with a lot of people, myself included. 457 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.640 You know, I really do try to and I know some Kentucky fans are 458 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.279 gonna hear this and be like, yeah, right, But I feel like 459 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.640 I'm very transparent as far as where I stand what I I mean, I 460 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.960 would never claim to be objective about what I want to happen to Kentucky basketball 461 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.000 or Kentucky football because they're the rival. But I also feel like, you 462 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.319 know, I try my best to at least be honest about their results, 463 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.319 and sometimes though they're probably like it's been a long time since I've been really 464 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:45.440 really as a Louisville fan, like really bothered by Kentucky to where like maybe 465 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.640 it would just really really be tough for me to acknowledge that they're this good 466 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.880 or that good, you know, because to be honest with you, like, 467 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.720 in football, Louisville losing to them in football was like a I mean 468 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.319 it was like a and it was disaster. It was the one thing you 469 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.240 couldn't do. I mean, it didn't mean that Jeff Brohm had a bad 470 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.920 year. He had a great year when ten games played in the ACC Championship, 471 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.480 but like, you know, that win really only did one thing, 472 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.119 and that was make Kentucky feel a little bit less bad about their season, 473 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.599 and it gave Mark Jumps his biggest win he's ever had as a coach, 474 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.039 he beit a top ten team on the road. So, you know, 475 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:26.200 with Kentucky basketball, I'm telling you Louisville being so dead for two years, 476 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:32.720 I mean, Kentucky being good, like I didn't want it, and luckily 477 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.000 they weren't. During the Kinny Payne araa, Kentucky really didn't do anything special. 478 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:37.880 In fact, what do they win one tournament game in that era? 479 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.039 And the year before Kenny got there, they lost to a fifteen seed. 480 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.720 So when Louisville was just so lousy for a few years and Kentucky was, 481 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.880 you know, good, but you still kind of felt like they weren't a 482 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.279 threat to win at all because you know, cal had been struggling. So 483 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.319 if Louisville, I'll put it this way, I feel like it's been more 484 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.160 easy for me than ever to just kind of like be whatever about Kentucky. 485 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.559 Clearly I don't want them to win because of the rival, but like, 486 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.599 who am I to go out of my way to really discredit Kentucky basketball When 487 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.200 Louisville's been in the position that they're in now again, it could still be 488 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.599 it could still be you know, for example, like it could still be 489 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.079 something you use as far as fuel and ammunition when when you when it comes 490 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.839 to the rivalry. But I just think Louisville fans have been you know, 491 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:27.039 trolling and keeping up with Kentucky in a different way the last couple of years 492 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.440 in basketball. But to go back to what you'd said about how you know, 493 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.880 the when the Kentucky schedule comes out and Louisville fans will hit you up 494 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.480 and be, you know, talking about Kentucky to you, and you just 495 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.279 think that's kind of weird because you don't really like obviously you know that Louisville's 496 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.640 the rival and I'm sure you don't want them to win, but like you're 497 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:49.200 not you're not really like in any way caring about what they're doing. That 498 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.079 is where in my belief, it's because you're not from here. You mentioned 499 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:57.039 you grew up in eastern Kentucky and then you made Louisville your home. It 500 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.440 doesn't mean you you know, you aren't. You aren't part of the rivalry 501 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.680 now in the city because you are. But if you grow up and I'm 502 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.799 talking about grown ups that are like, you know, I'm kind of a 503 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.119 grown up, but like you know, people that are in their forties, 504 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:14.519 fifties or you know, thirties like me or younger. If you grew up 505 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.240 and the first thing you remember about being a fan of sports is that you 506 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.279 knew you loved Louisville, you loved Kentucky. You went to school with Kentucky 507 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:25.440 fans and Louisville fans. It's never ending. So a lot of people say 508 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.920 obsession, and maybe that is what it is. But that's something I've always 509 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.119 pushed back on because there's a lot of people who I think kind of tell 510 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.119 on themselves about why are you talking about Kentucky. Huh. We don't like 511 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.759 the guy who called in last week, John, who was like, here's 512 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.599 a Kentucky show. I mean he thought that was like some clever dig or 513 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.839 something like that. I mean, maybe we obsessed. It's just a word 514 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.200 that I just don't think it's the right one to use. But I can't 515 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.279 give you a better one. But yeah, we all keep up with what's 516 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:58.240 going on in the right with our rival, not to the extent we do 517 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.799 our own team. But the best this weekend for you on a college football 518 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.759 season on a Saturday is your team winning and your rival losing. Like that's 519 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.639 what always really bothered me. I mean, it doesn't make me angry, 520 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:13.440 but it's just silly for those some people to act as if I don't even 521 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.480 know why we play y'all. Huh who Louisville Well doesn't exist? Like it's 522 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.519 just lame. Like what makes the rivalry great is that we hate each other, 523 00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.400 not as people. I mean maybe you do with some, but like 524 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.000 it's gonna be back though, by the way, because Mark Pope may be 525 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.920 great, and I think Mark Pope is a fine coach. Now is he 526 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.039 going to meet the expectations of Kentucky. I don't know. To be honest 527 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:43.960 with you, I would bet more often if I was making a wager, 528 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.719 I'd be more inclined to wager that Mark Pope will win, but not be 529 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.719 elite there in Kentucky Lea's I check, that's what they strive to be. 530 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.760 I could be proven wrong. Maybe he's awful and I'm wrong because he sucks 531 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.960 and he's not even you know, solid. But one thing I know right 532 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.480 now is nobody scared him or Pope when it comes to recruiting, when it 533 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:06.239 comes to anything, and I know nobody's scared of Pat Kelsey on the Kentucky 534 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.440 side, and Cali Perry. Maybe fear isn't like the right word because it's 535 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.639 just hard to say, Oh, Cali Perry scares mean. But let's be 536 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.840 honest, that guy, during his time and as a fixture within the rivalry, 537 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.280 he dominated Louisville. I don't think we were scared. We just knew 538 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.360 he was gonna come in here and beat us because he did it more often 539 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.119 than not. I if we'll ever see anybody with a record like that against 540 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.199 the against Louisville. And what makes it even crazy about Calipari is, yeah, 541 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.559 lately he's been just beating up on us, and we've also lost to 542 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.719 Bellerman and you know, Kentucky Wesleyan. But Rick had a really Rick's best 543 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:45.119 run here at Louisville still included him more often than not getting beat by Caliperry 544 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:52.039 Kentucky. So I'll admit it. I'm not too proud to say it. 545 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.159 I'm glad. I'm glad Cal's gone because you know, even in years where 546 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.559 you felt like we should beat him, we're better. It just it was 547 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.840 always it was. I can't even think of the game where Louisville played their 548 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.800 best basketball against the Kentucky Cali Perry team, because even when they beat him 549 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:09.000 in twenty thirteen, when Louislle w in the title and Kentucky went to the 550 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.039 n I T I mean, game is closer than it should have been. 551 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.000 So anyways, I like that call because that was somebody that you know, 552 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.559 asked Anna's question and was also willing to you know, willing to say, 553 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.480 well, maybe it's because you know my lens I'm a Kentucky fan. But 554 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:29.880 I think the difference is because when you're living out in Eastern Kentucky or western 555 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:35.719 Kentucky, when you're talking college football, college basketball mostly with your peers, 556 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.960 your your classmates, your coworkers, whatever it may be, kids in the 557 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:43.320 neighborhood, you're talking Kentucky because there's not many Louisville fans around here. It's 558 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.880 just both NonStop, and I think that's why, you know, you do 559 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.519 see fans in Louisville that are more that are more into I won't say obsessed, 560 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.480 but more into what's going on with the rivalry, with the rival others 561 00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:58.440 than others would expect, because you know why they can't wait to go back 562 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.400 to the cubicle Monday when your team loses to a bum in football, and 563 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:06.559 they want you to hear about it, right because we're all coexisting together. 564 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.679 When you have a great moment, you probably visualize seeing the friend or coworker 565 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.880 that's on the other side so you can rub it in their face. When 566 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.559 you lose and it's bad, you might think about taking a PTODA because you 567 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.800 don't want to face the music. Like that's what makes this cool to me? 568 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.519 All right, quick break, we'll come back and wrap it up on 569 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:23.960 the other side at his Coffee and Company, we are a few about Thornton's 570 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.639 right here on Sports Talk seven ninety all right, So just to update those 571 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.199 of you that are you know, just now joining in, or maybe you've 572 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.360 been with us for the last hour or so, we just haven't haven't been 573 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.440 able to discuss it. But the big news on the recruiting front, which 574 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.280 I would still say that the majority of the news for Louisville basketball that's going 575 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.599 to help us figure out this roster will be from the portal. But on 576 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.159 Thursday, one of the best players in the recruiting class of twenty twenty four. 577 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.840 In fact, he's a consensus five star top ten player overall former Kentucky 578 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.239 commit. Obviously, he dec commit it and reopened his recruitment. On's Cali 579 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:06.719 Perry left, but Jade and Quainton say six to non Center is going to 580 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.760 visit Louisville Thursday. It's an official visit. This is the first visit he's 581 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.960 taken since reopening his recruitment. Don't know if Louisville is getting, you know, 582 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.079 a courtesy visit or something because of the connection that Pat Kelsey's assistant coach 583 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.960 has. He previously coached at Ward of God Christian Academy where Quaintan's played his 584 00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.119 high school ball. So but just to know that that's you know, like 585 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:31.840 that's getting you, let's just say you don't get him. Obviously, some 586 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.119 will say it was all from nothing, and maybe you're right, but I 587 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.760 think this is just this being sort of on the news wire when it comes 588 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:43.360 to college basketball recruiting and whatnot. Is good for Kelsey. So we'll see, 589 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.159 we will see, all right. 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All right, 603 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:36.039 what a what a fun three hours that went by really quick, It really 604 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.079 did, And I would imagine, you know, we'll obviously have a lot 605 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.079 of other stuff to get tomorrow, we'll mix it up. But when it 606 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.920 comes to the spring, I mean that's when you're gonna see these rosters come 607 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:52.400 together, rather it be Louisville or Kentucky, and the new era is here. 608 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.960 Do you think Omar Ballow will Loup taking his visit to louis or do 609 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:59.280 you think he'll commit to Indiana before tomorrow or I guess before the end of 610 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.840 the day tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know. I don't All the momentum 611 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.519 is is that he's going to go to Indiana. But this is his first 612 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.639 visit, so I would say that he would at least get another visit in. 613 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.280 So maybe he does end up at Louisville. But again, I'm it 614 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.440 certainly looks like, uh, he just posted a picture of Instagram. Do 615 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.400 you see it? Is it the one with uh thet behind him? You 616 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.800 know he's got a it's just him in a jersey in the cannon right pants. 617 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.800 And yeah, I mean he's he looks like he's enjoying his visit. 618 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:34.159 But you know what, maybe he'll think to himself, Wow, Bloomington was 619 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:36.159 great. Mother Bear's pizza. You kidding me? But man, this is 620 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.840 Louisville's Pat Kelsey guy. He's he's fun, he's a ball of energy. 621 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:40.880 I want to play for this guy. Wishful thinking on MIAD, But we 622 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.159 shall see because he is again I mean, if, if, if, 623 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.199 what he lands the number one player in the portal given the fact that he's 624 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.360 also just landed the PAC twelve Freshman of the Year. He's bringing back the 625 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.760 guys who'd want to come back other than you know, the guy that's going 626 00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.000 to the NBA, like got five star Bryson Tucker to replace. Yeah about 627 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.960 that one too. So I mean, hopefully he starts getting some respect within 628 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.480 his fan base. People want the results on the floor. I mean, 629 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.679 I don't blame him, but like you think Dusty May is doing this in 630 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:13.639 Indiana this year, I don't, I mean agree with I don't want dust 631 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.760 You need Indiana. Get him out of here. Nerd. All right, 632 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.079 we're out of time. Everybody have themselves a good evening. We're back at 633 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:31.800 it tomorrow right here on UH Sports Talk seven ninety