God exists and no matter how bad it gets, it will all be used
for his purposes in the end. I can do my part, but unless
the country wants to wake up from this insanity, it will commit suicide.
And it's going to be interesting to see how Americans were welcome to another edition
of the Chicks on the Right podcast today. Look at who we go?
Oh my gosh, I love him? He is so great? He is
is he really? Is it really him? Or you guys, just oh
my god? How did you get him? How did we get here?
Just a couple of a couple of Glenn back, Oh my god. I
mean you barely need introduction, but just to get it out of it way
for the for the losers out there who don't know who this is, for
the lucky ones, really for the lucky ones. He is a syndicated radio
host, CEO and founder of Mercury Radio Arts, the parent company The Blaze.
He is host of the Glenn Beck TV program. He is the author
of six New York Times best selling books, the latest which we now have
a copy of. What is it? Ten my god? I could wow,
We've got okay apology. But this is the latest. This is the
latest it's called Chasing Embers. Tell us all about it, because we haven't
had a chance yet to read it. We just got them. Oh so
I could tell you anything, Yeah, you can tell us anything. Believe
it. Actually, let me tell you why, how the premise came,
and then why I wrote it. This book started. I write stories in
my head all the time, and and this one has been in my head
since about two thousand, I don't know, six or seven. And I
was reading Karl Marx, and if you've ever read Carl Marx, you're like,
this doesn't make any sense. How does anyone believe this? And it's
just all against human nature and everything else. And I thought, what is
the draw to him? And in America and the West, I think it's
because you know, he's the rebel, he's the radical, he's the one
against the system man. And I thought, you read him, and then
you read Jefferson or Adams or you know, any of them, and there
is such a difference, and it's so clear when you're reading these guys.
And I thought, what is it going to take before Jefferson is a revolutionary
again? And not the stuff shirt, you know what I mean? And
I thought, you know, I think he's I think it's going to take
the loss of those and making them very unpopular to radicalize them again and have
you know, kids reading it when it's absolutely not supposed to be read.
That's no, you don't do that. That's when they'll start discovering these guys
again. And so that led me to a series of thoughts of you know,
how do we preserve that for that generation and what could happen? And
so I came up with this dystopian world where a public private partnership has put
together these the cities, and everybody lives in these cities and it's all going
to be great. It's all of the WEF stuff, the World Economic Forum
stuff, except it failed. And so these are failing cities. But it's
very very dystopian. And the parents who would be you know us now or
the next generation that lived at these times, anyone who just didn't buy into
the whole WEF thing, they're kind of liquidated. And so there's a group
of people that have tried to preserve what they could remember and write it down
because all books have been banned now and history meets names meets West. Yeah,
yeah, it is kind of and and nineteen eighty four as well.
And and so these what's left are these kids with memories of their you know,
rebellious parents who are just trying to keep record in their mind and then
write it down and smuggle it out to the cities, to these rebels that
you don't know much about at first, that are the public enemy number one.
And all they you find out, all they're trying to do is reproduce
a library. They're trying to collect all of the history that's now forbidden and
tea to their kids in an oral fashion. And so the book takes place
in this place called Topos. It's a it's a dystopian kind of I don't
know. I always think of it as almost like Ebcot, where nothing's real,
and it's just very dystopian. But these kids, one of them remembers
their mom and dad being taken and liquidated, and she wants to be part
of the crowd, you know, she's given the opportunity, for some reason
by the higher ups to become one of the rebel hunters, if you will,
to just mix in with your friends and find out who's sharing things that
you know they shouldn't be sharing. And she's given these kind of these tokens
that she can just drop on somebody and it will alert the government this is
a problem child. And then they're just taken away and she starts to get
wrapped up into Look at the power I have. You know, I think
everything that I thought I knew was a lie. Meanwhile, another kid,
a boy, a teenager, teenage boy, he escapes the city and he
doesn't know what he's looking for, but he goes in and he actually finds
these rebels and he's torn on whether to report them or not. And he's
just a really screwed up kid, and you find out why in the book.
But he's now learning that these aren't really rebels, and all the way
through. You know, when MICHAELA and I put this together, we did
a lot of research with teens and we told them stories, not like a
history feature does, just told them stories about things of history, because we
wanted to include those stories, the important ones in the book. So they're
discovering this history, not taught like a regular history book. To try to
get the reader to go, oh wow, I didn't know that is that
true? And look it up and follow that trail nice And so we did
a deal where we would tell a bunch of you know, twelve to eighteen
year old's stories and then we tell them what do you think of this?
What discuss And we found some fascinating views on things, and so we incorporated
that to try to tap into their mindset on how they connect to different stories
of history. And so many of the elements that you just described we've seen
over the past several years, like the snitching and the things you know,
like looking in looking at your telling on your neighbors, you know, not
suppressing information like that. Yeah, changing information. History is being changed now
in real time cheap cheap fakes times. Right now. We are we are,
we are. And so it takes the technology that we're now working,
you know on, and it takes the all the dystopian things they all run
exactly the same, and it's running exactly like what we're seeing. And then
take the actual US I mean w e F World Economic Forum plans for cities
and everything else, and takes and plays it out and you know, obviously
it fails, but it's still in slaves and has turned people really into slaves
and morons. They don't know what's real and what's not anymore. Yeah,
it's do you do the audio for the like, do you do it for
kindle or I'm not a kind about for audible? Do you do the reading
of it? We have been going back and forth on this. I haven't
had time to record an audiobook yet. We've been going back and forth whether
we should have somebody else read it or me, and I've got about that.
I'm I can't wait to read it, but I'd rather listen to it
like in the car or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I tell
you it is. I think it is the perfect way in for parents that
don't know how to teach history, don't want to lecture their kids, and
their kids roll their eyes when they're this is a book they can discover and
it's it's really good, and it's an adventure. It's got danger and you
know, all kinds of stuff in it that is yeah, that I think
you really like. And it's a it's actually a six book series, but
we we got to make sure this one works because the stories that you have,
the way this whole thing comes about is so great, so great.
I love it. It sounds amazing, you know. I was telling miriamt
Of was selling mock that I rewatched your twenty ten speech, your keynote speech
at SEAPAC and how you wrote progressivism on the board and you talked about how
progressivism was a cancer and you called out some people like Soros and Barack Obama
and I'm just you know, and then listening to this the synopsis of the
book you just wrote and everything that is wrapped up in it, and just
I don't know the fact that we just talked about living in Orwellian times and
I like, progressive. Do you feel like the cancer has spread? Do
you think that do you have do you think it's inoperable at this point?
Like? Where do you see us now? Because I mean that was listen,
that's when we first started our site. It was right after that that
you gave that speech, and so I remember thinking, this is what we're
fighting for as chick on the right. And I look back on that and
I think, gosh, things have changed, and I don't know if necessarily
it's for the better, but they should have changed and everything. Yeah,
I mean, I know you guys well enough to know that you know that
you know, God exists and no matter how bad it gets, it will
all be used for his purposes in the end. So wherever we end up,
it's going to be. He's not surprised by any of this. And
you know, I hope we're not living in the times you know, foretold,
but we could be. Yeah, and we just have. All we
have to do is let me put it this way. When you started your
site, are you a better person and citizen today than you were back then?
Yes, sir, I love that question. Yes, Glenn, I
think so, I really do. I've lost, you know, friends and
family along the way, but I know myself better and I have better and
stronger and more robust relationships with people. Yes, I know who I am
and that. Yeah. And I know you're living. Yeah, you're actually
living life, no matter how tough it is and how many things. I
mean, there's a lot of things I wanted to do other than this.
I didn't. I never got into this business to do a serious talk show,
especially where I'm the doom and gloom guy. That is not what I
wanted to do or want to do. But I I have lived an amazing
life, and I'm better spiritually, and I'm better as a citizen. I'm
a better dad. I mean, it's just it all is used in the
end for his purposes. I love it well, and I was I was
going to ask you, you know, a piggybacking off of that, I
was going to ask you if you felt more cynical or optimistic about the country's
future. But it sounds like instead of either of those, you're just saying,
let go and let God. Yeah, you know what I mean,
And that's actually reassuring. Yeah. I immediately felt, well, I should
have done that earlier. The uh, the uh. You know, I've
gotten to a point to where, you know, I've always said on the
air that all I am is a reader of the signposts, and I'm just
saying, here's the mile marker, here's the time to the next exit.
But I've said, at some point we're we're out of exits and it's just
going to go over the cliff and that'll be an interesting ride, and we're
we're there to where there are exits. But only with God, only with
really disciplined people, people who have studied, know what they know, know
what's true, will anchor themselves in the Constitution and the Declaration and the Bill
of Rights and then just go through hell. But do what they have to
do, uh, to make sure those things are preserved in one form or
another. And you know, my I have a I have We've had some
bouts with suicide in my family from the beginning, and then I've had three
of my four children have serious spouts with them. Uh and uh. I
took one of my my children to a psychiatrist who I thought at first was
I heard he was the best, and I thought, when I hear when
I heard him, I was like, you're insane. And he said,
your son knows what you're afraid of, and he said you got to get
past that. He said, so what are you afraid of? My wife?
And I looked at him, went, I don't know that he's dead,
and they said. He said, okay, so let's play this out.
They commit suicide, what do you do? And we're just well,
we we mourn and uh huh and then what, well, we probably blame
it on each other for a while, you know, because we don't we
don't know how to deal with it. But then we get help and then
we get through it, and then we probably I don't know, write a
book about our son and suicide and and uh, and then we probably do
a tour and we try to help other people and he said, so you
make it. We were like, yeah, we of course we make it,
but we don't want that. And he's like, hm, you need
to tell him now you're not afraid of it. That's his decision. You're
not afraid of it. And we were like, uh, wow, no,
I don't think so. Yeah. It was terrifying, and so he
brought my son in and we sat down and he said, let's just play
this out. You're dead, what happens to you? Well? Nothing,
I'm dead, okay, And then we talked about religious stuff and then he
said, what do you think happens with your parents? He said, I
don't know, And so we started talking and went through the whole thing and
said, there's nothing we can do. This is your choice. This will
always be your choice. We can tell you we love you, we can
tell you all these things, we can help you in any way, but
unless you're willing to live, there's nothing we can do. And so we're
just not going to live in that fear anymore. Yeah, and when you
have problems, we're not going to take them on as our problems. We
will help you, but then we will we'll end our little time together with
it's going to be interesting to see you work that all out that way.
It's not ownership on us, it's on you. And it changed him,
it really, I mean, it was remarkable. And I'm not suggesting that
anybody else does that because it was terrifying. Yeah, but it worked with
us, and we've decided that that's the best way to look at everything in
life. You know, the country might be suicidal, might be I can't
stop that. I can do my part, but unless the country wants to
wake up from this insanity, it will commit suicide. And Andy, it's
going to be interesting to see how Americans work this out. Yeah, you
know, that's this is one of the reasons that I really that I that
I love you is because you're because you're vulnerable. You like, you're not
screamy. There are a lot of screamy people out there and doing what we
do, there are a lot of not I mean, and there's a I
guess there's always feel like I'm a screaming well, I mean, there's this
there's a space you have more of a like a gentle, like a cerebral
gentle way about you. And is that do you find that to be difficult,
like to be vulnerable and to share personal stuff, because we just kind
of started in the past couple of years doing more of that. That's because
it's hard to put yourself out there and to share personal stuff. Because so
I have a really interesting I can't relate and tell you because I didn't start
doing that. I started in radio when I was thirteen, so and I
worked all the time. So my best friend was this the microphone. Yeah,
and I could say anything into it and it won't reject me. The
audience might, but it won't. And so I've I, you know,
always talked about personal things. But what happened in nineteen ninety five probably was
I was doing Top forty morning radio and I was I just I couldn't play
Britney Spears one more second, and I just, I mean time, I
got to the point to where I would say, yeah, yeah, just
one more time. I got to the point to where this is this is
how I would DJ the records say there's another super super classic from What's Her
Face? And all of the songs were that because I just didn't care,
and I didn't care if anybody fired me, and I couldn't do it anymore.
But we were talking about something and on the air, and it was
an event of something. It might have been the Clinton scandal or something,
and a caller said, what do you know your mister goody two shoes?
Because I was known at the time as clean cut, you know, all
American blah blah blah. That was the image that had been created. But
I was a raging alcoholic for most of it and and just not a good
guy, just not a good guy. And I said, they said,
what do you know you're mister goody two shoes? And I said, you
know, let me tell you something. And the whole room stopped. Everybody's
like, oh, dear God, what is he going to say? Here
we go? And I said, you don't know me, nobody knows me.
Let me tell you about me. And I was actually, in a
way, I think, trying to end my radio career. But the opposite
happened. People started coming up to me and saying, I cannot believe you
said what you said about yourself. And then they look around and go,
but let me tell your brother. I've been there. Yeah, I know
what you're talking about. And we were all hiding from our darkest selves when
we're all struggling with the same basic things. Yeah. And so if you're
if you're willing to take if you're willing to be completely honest and say,
yep, this is who I am. Like it or not. There's parts
of me I really don't like, but that's who I am. And your
audience understands you. They know, generally speaking, when you're telling the truth,
you know, because they'll they'll find all these inconsistencies and be like,
wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. And as long
as you've done your homework on yourself and you know who you are, you
guys know this. You know who you are, you know what you believe,
and you're not so strident that somebody couldn't come, you know, on
and say, you know, I got to challenge you on that, I
think you're wrong. If you're willing to listen, and if they make a
good point that you can't diffuse after thinking and researching and everything else, and
you should come back on the air and go, you know what, I
was wrong about that absolutely, and here's my thing. And you've done that.
Yeah, I've done that a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you've you've you know, you've talked very very openly about your struggles with
alcoholism, drug use, and and just illness in general. So how are
you like today? How are you? I'm good. I'm probably better than
i've been in well, better than I was even when I saw you guys.
Really really, I'm probably better than I've been in five years. That
that's great. I had a just a turning point. You know. There
are times when you just get You're just like I just I just want a
bag of Oreole cookies with women. That's about one thing. You're speaking our
language. Yeah, I mean, it's like there's just times that you just
need a bag of Oreole cross and uh and yeah, yeah, I eat
them by the bag, the bag. But the bag. Why do they
have to make like pumpkin flavored ones now, like they have all different flavor
Why do you have to do that? Why? That's that's the problem with
America. We have too much choices. When I was a kid, we
were happy with one Areo cookie, one flavor, and we liked that was
seventy. Yeah. One of the things that we loved so much about coming
to see you at the Blaze Studios is the museum and all the artifacts,
the historical artifacts that you've collected. What how did that start and like,
what would you say is your most prized item in the whole way about the
museum? My god, I don't think I can answer the most prized because
it's so fast. Now it started in two thousand. Uh, well,
it actually started with my kids. My kids. I hated history when I
was growing up, hated it. Really. I cannot believe that, because
it's all I cannot believe that. Oh, did you like history a little?
Yeah? You know, I memorized the names and the dates and where
the battle was. Really, that's my fourteen year old, Like my fourteen
year old daughter, she loves it. That's like her favorite subject. It's
crazy. But yeah, so I'm surprised that you didn't. You're so ol.
Yeah. No, I hate it like ye, well, because I
learned to love it because I learned. You know, the word history has
the word story in it. Yeah. Yeah, why aren't we focusing on
the story of history? And if you do that, then you know,
forget about the dates. It was seventeen ninety one, No, it was
seventeen ninety two. Okay, nerd, you know, nerd, argument stop,
I don't I don't need, I don't care. What was the argument
about which side one. What did they do with it? What did the
losers do? Walking away? You know what happened? Why were they Why
did this come up? That's all a human story. And when you focus
on the human story, it's so much better. I could tell you.
You know, they tried to teach us George Washington chop down the cherry tree,
and he couldn't tell a lie, and he had wooden teeth. None
of those things are true. Let me tell you two stories. First,
he didn't have wooden teeth. By the time he was president, he lost
his last tooth. His teeth were rotting out of his face. He had
for a while a metal contraption in his mouth that looks like something that Steve
Martin would have been installing in Little Shop of Horrors. Okay, it was
horrific, Okay. And the reason why I his painting, the paintings of
him always kind of mouth kind of like this, is because he was trying
to hide. He was so embarrassed by his teeth. And so when he
became president, he just he was so embarrassed by himself that he wanted to
he wanted to do something. So he went for the latest thing, which
was drilling holes in your gums and then implanting teeth in there in hopes that
they would grow good God right, no anesthesia, nothing, nothing. And
so it takes this guy who wooden teeth. What does that say anything about
it? That's not even true. Why this takes a guy who is a
giant among men and humbles him. He's embarrassed by his own looks, and
because he believes the president should look a certain way way and be distinguished,
he goes through that. Now that's a much that's a much better story than
wooden tea. Yes, it is. Never tells, yeah, never tells
a lie. Let me just let me tell you the story of Gosh,
I'm thinking about so many of them. Let me tell you a story.
I was with the head of the American Museum of the Smithsonian, and I
was looking for specifically things about George Washington that were negative because I can find
I can tell you that before Abraham Lincoln, you know, his mom raised
him. He was terrified of his father, but he really because his father
was like you will believe in Jesus. As he's beating him. He falls
away from the church and he goes dark, and there's a period of Abraham
Lincoln's life where he's with prostitutes and everything that you've never heard about Abraham Lincoln.
Okay, but then he finds himself and he finds God. Okay.
I can find that stuff on anybody. I cannot find that stuff on George
Washington. So I'm going to the Smithsonian to meet with the American the head
of the curator of the American Museum. And I said, I'm desperately trying
to find something on Washington. That's bad because I believe that you have to
understand the story, understand the story of America. You have to understand the
Tuskegee experiments, and you have to understand the true meaning of the Declaration of
Independence. Okay, all men are created equal. You have to understand both
sides. If you're surprised by the bad things all of a sudden, America
has no credibility. Okay, because wait a minute, I didn't know about
that. What else are they hiding? Yeah, So what are you hiding
about George Washington? He said, Oh, I have something, he said,
but we've only on one thing. And I said, what is it?
He said, comarrehit, I'll show you. And so he took me
back into the archives and he pulls out all these drawers and there's just these
little thin drawers and he pull one out and he'd be like, oh,
there's George Washington's you know, baptismal gown, and you know, here's this,
and here's that. And I'm like okay. And he pulls out a
deal and it's a newspaper and he says, this is the worst thing I
can find on George Washington. And it's an editorial right before his uh second
election. Okay, somebody writes in that George Washington is a monster. And
this person must know because the editorials written by his mother. Okay, his
mother was this. Yeah, his mother was this giant pain in the ass
where she was just like because she was just she was a nightmare. And
she always like, oh, George, you cannot leave me, you can't
go away. You know, all these stories of him just acquiescing yes,
mother, dear, Yes, mother dear. Oh so she wants him back
at Mount Vernon and so she writes this editorial and says, you have no
idea. You cannot elect this man again. He's the most extravagant man you
have ever met. And you'd be horrified if you knew the details, just
the details, this is it? Just the details on how much this man
spends on ice cream every month alone should disqualify him. Oh my gosh.
And now we have Nancy footstep that brilliant brilliants. Okay, so I have
to know your favorite interview of allSome besides us, besides interviewing with us,
obviously, because I did enjoy were I know, were the pinnacle of your
career besides us, I don't have fun very often. It's good. Who
would you say would be like the I guess the highlight when it comes to
interviewing somebody or somebody who was on your bucket list? You were like,
I can't believe I just interviewed this person, because I mean, I know
you're you, You're Glenn freaking back, you know, but but like,
who who would be like a person that you interviewed that you were like,
I cannot believe I just did that, or or just maybe not maybe not
somebody who's famous that you just really enjoyed interviews? I don't know, can
you? I don't know? I know you know, nyeah, I interviewed
a guy who was one hundred and six maybe oh my gosh, he remembers.
Yeah, he remembered Woodrow Wilson. Wow, he remembered. Oh my
gosh, he remembered. And he had perfect recollection. This guy I thought
was going to live to you know, one hundred and ten. How did
you meet him? And how did you how did that happen? He was
I think he was a fan of the show. And he called in one
time and They're like, he's you know, he's and I'm like, he's
not that old. Come on and got him on the phone, and then
we brought him in and he was fascinating because he could remember where he was
the stock market crash, he could remember where he was, uh, you
know, World War two beginning and the end. It was amazing. That
is amazing. Wow. The the other guy that I have I never interviewed,
but I became friends with. That was the first name that came to
mind, but not an interview is Billy Graham. Yeah. Billy Graham was
just it was such an honor to meet him, and I was He invited
me to his house for some reason, and I had been praying on something
and I had just said to one of the guys in my office, I
think I'm supposed to. I think I'm supposed to talk to Billy Graham And
they said, well, did you call him? Did you reach out to
him? And I'm like, yeah, Billy's not taking my phone calls right
now, called yeah, yeah, and uh. And that later that afternoon
he his office called and asked if I no, I swear to you saved.
Same day his office reached out and said that he would like to meet
with me and my family that following Sunday. So we had an hour to
go up and we ended up six hours up with him, and he was
the most remarkable man I've ever met. I remember, you know, he
asked me to share my testimony with him, and we were both crying,
and he was talking about how you know, we're all going to make mistakes,
We're all going to make mistakes. He's like, every mistake I made,
and I have made so many were because I wasn't listening. He said,
every accomplishment does not belong to me, and he meant it, he
really meant it, and so humble. And he said, but I know
where I'm going, and he said I know who I serve, and he
said, I am not afraid of death. The whole dying part has me
a little worried, but I'm not afraid of day what happens after? Right?
Yeah, So is there someone go ahead? I'm sorry I'm saying.
I was just going to ask you if there's someone that you aspire to interview
that you haven't had a chance to talk with yet, or have you just
checked off your entire bucket list you want to talk to. There's so many.
I'm doud he's doing interviews. But for the longest time I wanted to
interview Clint Eastwood. I still would. I'd love to talk about him.
Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen. I just I don't know why.
We've reached out and reached out and reached out. And and it's funny
because he was at CNN doing an interview when I was at CNN and one
of my producers was in the hallway when he was walking with a group of
producers and my picture was up on the wall, and he stopped and he
went that guy. I like that guy, and then just started walking away.
Let's talk. Can we talk? Yeah? But and the and the
the current one is Elon Musk. I don't know why I can't get an
interview with Elon Musk. But we've been in touch with each other back and
forth, but we just never seemed to do not know, he's aware of
who I am, and that may be the problem. That may be the
problem. Glenn. It's always just such a treat. I mean, I
feel like we're old friends now because we've been to visit you in person,
and I know we've only talked twice, but it feels very familial, and
it's just you are a Troy. Thank you. Thank you for taking the
time. Oh my gosh, you guys are the best. Thank you,
thank you. Thank you for all of all the stuff that you do and
all the joy you spread. That's so sweet. That's what we're trying to
do. That is what is precisely our goal. And it was just a
joy talking to you. Thank you, Glynn. Thank you for a couple
of whores. You're nicely true A couple that's true.