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Team House with your hopes, Jack
Burphy and David Bark. Hey, everyone,

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welcome to episode two hundred and forty
five of The Teamhouse. I'm here

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with Dave and I'm Jack and our
guest on tonight's show actually coming back for

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the second time, is Greg Cocher. Greg served in the one hundred and

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sixtieth Special Operations Aviation regiment where he
was a little bird pilot and he has

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become on his way to becoming an
expert blade maker. You showed us some

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stuff that's really impressive. We're going
to talk all about, but we're to

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start. I mean, look,
we did a whole episode with you talking

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about your military career. You want
to like just go go over you know

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a little bit about your background for
just a couple of minutes before we launch

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him too. Where you are today? You bet? Yeah? And you

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know, thanks guys for having me
back. And it's an honor and dog

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going. I love talking with you
guys and sitting with you. But yeah,

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I you know, like most young
men, we start out, we

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don't quite know where we're going or
what path we're going to take. So

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I enlisted in the army, and
I always wanted to fly helicopters. So

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after a couple of years, I
put in a flight packet and went to

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Fort Rutger, got accepted fluid covers
for one tour in South Korea five seventeen

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CAB and then I went back to
the hundred and First. I enlisted went

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to three two seventh Infantry in one
hundred first in eighty six and then came

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back to Campbell, flew a patchages
for a couple of years and then put

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in my packet to go to the
one sixtieth and got accepted to come assess.

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Was successful in that assessment and flew
a six's and B company first bat

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for fifteen years. And at my
final board for the assessment, the command

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of Colonel had asked me says,
well, last question was, well,

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Greg, what do you want to
fly? And I said, sir,

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I will fly kites out of a
hot air blending if you want me to.

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And that that pretty what set you
know, the rest for that career

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in the one sixtieth Greatest Greatest Aviators, Greatest Pilot's Crew, Chiefs, armament

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dogs we call them dogs or arm
up personnel, but they keep the guns

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of humming the guys keep our helicopters
going. And but yeah, it was

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you know, getting that MD five
thirty is the greatest helicopter ever made and

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saved my life one day that you
know, you guys know, but yeah,

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and then nine to eleven hit and
we all got really busy for the

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next eight years. For me,
I did eleven combat tours and got shot

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down in four and yeah, I
just I loved it. I loved every

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minute of it. Now we we
had you one like over two years ago.

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It was episode seventy four. Wow, which is like reaching back,

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we talked about your book. Is
it Death Weights in the Dark? Yeah,

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Death Weights in the Dark sixt guns
don't miss. I highly recommend you

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guys read it. It's a fantastic
account of you know, Gregg's life in

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the one sixtieth. It is on
Kindle right now and audible. But there

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are any hard copies out, No, correct, they sold out, but

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I'm gonna have some more printed first
to next year, so probably hard back

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in and and I'm gonna say right
now because I use the I use Kindle

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in the minute all the time.
Greg's book is free on Kindle, I

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think, and and he still gets
paid if you read it. So check

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it out. Read it. Great
book, great episode, episode seventy four.

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But let's you know, we we
don't want to redo all of sundy

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four because we want to talk about
your knife's stuff. But for the people

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who haven't heard about uh, you
know, who haven't watched the episode yet,

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even though they will, can you
give us a little bit like what

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was it like? For you when
you first got to the one sixtieth,

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What was the training pipeline for you
there? Well, when you go through

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an assessment, so it's it's a
week long and it's it tests you mentally,

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it tests you physically, and it
tests you your flight aptitude. So

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once you you go through the assessment
and you're either a go or no go.

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So that and back in the days, you know, the attrition rate

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was pretty high. I was,
I was on. I had four guys

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in my class. I was the
only one that graduated or finished. And

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but it's always every day's check ride
and and still today, you know,

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I would I would just say why
am I here? And every day I

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would think, okay, I would
get fired today because I would do something

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stupid. And so yeah, it's
a hard, hard job. It's a

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tough job. And we support rangers
in Delta and that's this country's you know,

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premiere force to go to war bar
none. But and you come up,

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you come up through the one sixtieth, you're a basic mission qualified aviator.

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For me, I was a gun
pilot. But it takes us anywhere

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from eighteen to twenty four months to
teach a guy how to shoot, so

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and we're held to very very high
standards as you all know, on our

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shooting and how close that we shoot
to friendlies. So all of our training

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is live fire. There are people
running on the ground, and that's that's

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how we do business. And that's
that's why we're so successful in combat operations

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in this twenty plus year of war. You know, we've we've shot I

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mean I've shot less than fifteen meters
in front of friendlies in combat. So

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but they the ground force trust the
AHS and we trust them. So yeah,

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that's that's uh. And as far
as me personally, I was I

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just want to protect my brothers on
the ground. Yeah, that we were.

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You know, they've called us Angels
a death, the killer eggs,

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you know, all all the different
different names over the years, but when

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we got on station, it was, yeah, it was to help those

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guys. Can you tell us a
little bit about the Killer a the Little

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Bird? Sure, it's it's history
in the military, because really it's probably

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the only place that it's fun,
right is the wins military Well in the

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one sixtieth right, yes, yeah, correct, So yeah, in the

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early years and the well, the
helicopter was developed by mister Hughes in nineteen

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fifty six and it came out and
the Army designates all our helicopters with the

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American Indian names, so this was
the Cayuse and then the designation was eight

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six, so observation Helico, and
then the six. But it's a huge

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five hundred was the original nomenclature of
it's a civilian helicopter. And over the

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years it flew in Vietnam for many, many years. I've met several of

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the guys that flew the loach as
another name. The grunts gave it,

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and I mean it just it saved
their lives. It saved my lives.

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But mister Hughes developed that aircraft with
safety of mind and that if during a

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crash sequence and if you look at
the if you look at the aircraft without

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the tail boom, it looks like
an egg. And that was his whole

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concept for the engineering of it,
is for that cockpit to stay in contact

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if it did roll, you know
end o rent or side by side,

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that the pilots in the cockpit would
stay safe. So it you know,

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over years, it transitioned into gunships
and then the one sixty took it in

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nineteen eighty one after the failed attempt
of the hostage rescue in nineteen eighty and

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Iran and Colonel Beckwith then the commander
of Delta, wanted army aviators to fly

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army helicopters to support them. So
and that when that came about eighty one,

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that they chose the the OH six. They armed it with many guns,

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and then they had the Blackhawks,
and that's what was going to go

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on the next one. So again
through technology, now it's the or AH

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six M model. I flew the
J models and the J heavies, and

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then there's also the MH six Little
Bird, So that's a company. B

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company is the gun company in the
one sixtieth and then the MH six Little

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Birds had the planks on them where
and I still say customers where the ground

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force will sit on the pods and
they can put you know, five or

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six guys on there and a dog, and they they put those helicopters in

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places I would never even dream of
landing. But they are by far the

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best sticks best pilots on the planet. And yeah, it was, yeah,

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they scared me watching them because we'd
be overhead, you know, protecting

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the forest and I'm like, they're
not gonna land there, and they would

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land there, so yeah, they
land on ross or streets or what what?

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What was the decision or why do
you think the decision was to arm

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this very small observational platform maneuverability.
That thing that helicopter is and I always

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it's the Ferrari, the Lamborghini of
helicopters. It can get around, it

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can turn, it's fully aerobatic,
and you know, you hang a couple

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of dealing in one thirty four guns
and rocket pods on it, and now

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they can we can and in seconds
we can get right back on target.

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And we always fly in pairs,
so a lead and a trail, and

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yeah, it's and the ground guys
call it the fur ball. They're like,

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man, you watch the ages of
the fur ball because we're we're shooting

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and turning and yanking and banking,
and but we got to get we got

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to get that helicopter around and re
engage at target if that's what that fire

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supporter wants us to do. And
if there's a big battle like jadetha Dam,

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you know, it was just there's
bad guys, here's the friendlies,

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you know, we're gonna shoot bad
guys until we run out of m O

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or then we'll go to M fours
and start dropping hand grenaids on whatever case.

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So I was always impressed with the
advanced aiming technology birds. Yes,

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technologically advanced, yes, and yeah
that's funny. I was just talking to

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some fellas about that the other day. But yeah, I watched in my

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tenure there, tenure there at B
company that you know, they're always bringing

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technology to us. Hey, can
we you know, patchy's got a HUD,

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the kober's got a hud. A
patch he's got the HDU. Or

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the guy can look and point a
gun, or we use a grease pencil,

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an Army issue black grease pencil mark
on the windscreen and too. Fred

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Horseley once said we had the engineers
there, you know, they were like,

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we want you to test this,
and we think this is better and

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faster. And Fred summed it up. He said, the human brain is

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the fastest computer on this planet and
an a six gun pilot needs nothing but

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a grease pencil and he held a
greach pencil up. But yeah, that's

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that's what we used to shoot.
And I can put a rocket in a

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door at four hundred meters because that's
the standard that we're held to. And

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we shoot a lot, we shoot
a lot. But yeah, that's it's

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the Red Barren method of Martiternship.
Yes, yeah, the old Kent.

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Yeah it is. Yeah, so
yeah that I mean, I've got a

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lot of stories in the book,
and we've been real proud of the book.

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We've sold over ten thousand copies.
And yeah, I read something not

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long ago. It says and I
self published the book, and they said

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that a first time author that self
publishes sells three to four hundred copies in

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the life of the book probably.
Yeah, And we've sold over ten thousand.

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And I thought about this and talked
with my wife about this, and

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we donate one hundred percent of all
of those proceeds, and we've donated over

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fifty thousand dollars to date to nonprofits
that support that's first responders and their families.

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Wow, that's cool. Yeah,
we love doing it. That's ways

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in the dark. So even though
it is on kendle them that it is,

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it's better people buy it they have
it. Yeah. I like to

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hold a book. Yeah, yeah, I like to sit there and read

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it. And the books who did
the audible for who, Darrin I read.

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I read the audible. That's great. Yeah, Kyle Lamb shortage of

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Lamb. He's like, you gotta
read it. You gotta read it.

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You you know, but I,
you know, reached out to a couple

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of buddies like, hey, could
you read this book before? Yeah,

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man, no, you need to
read the book. So yeah, I

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read it, and yes, it's
been good. So get the audible because

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you'll get to sit with you get
voice that's Greg's honeyed voice on your drive

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and look, if you listen to
it in bed, we're not we're not

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going to touch No. But I
get calls all the time guys be like,

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dude, don't drive along, listen
to your book. Man. It's

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like you're sitting right here, you
know, we're sitting at the fire with

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us or we're listening to it.
So, yeah, it was good.

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It's hard. It was hard to
do too. It took me like seven

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days to wow read that. You're
you're only good for about three hours a

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day. But people love that.
They love to hear you know, your

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voice and hear the man himself telling
the story. Yeah, I think so.

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Yeah, it's good when when the
next edition of the hard copies come

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out, we'll get a few four
us for the studio here. I'm so,

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when you retired from the army,
I mean, tell us a little

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bit about like transitioning out of the
military and sort of like what that process

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was, Like, wow, that, I mean for all of us,

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it's a tough process. And yeah, I went to I went into my

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own did my own thing. I
did firearms, taxis training, safety,

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security, emergency response. I worked
for a coy lamb for a bit Viking

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Tactics as an instructor and yeah,
and I just kind of, you know,

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went along and made my own way
and tried to help other guys,

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you know, young young vets that
just either did their time and got out

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or guys that retired and to help
them transition in. But it's there wasn't

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anything easy about it. And I'm
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all missed that that you know,
our tribe, our our teams or yeah

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so, or that camaraderie that we
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organizations. Yeah, and then I
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a year and a half or so
ago, But had all these these

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guys I served with, or fellas
that I knew, started started knife making,

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and several of them for years are
like, hey, you got to

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try this. Great, you gotta
try this. It's it's you know,

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it's medicine. It it helps us. And so I, you know,

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we all have lives. We get
busy, and we go through these different

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phases and different walks. So I
had a good friend of mine, Jared

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Johnson, he only lives about twenty
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Known JJ for years, marine sniper, and he was a relatively new knife

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maker. He'd been making nice about
a year, and he kept pestering me

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and pestering me. He's like,
come over to the forge, Come over

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to the forge. Let's hammer some
steel. So I did. One day.

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It was August, and I was
like, wow, this isn't too

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Smart's August in Texas is one hundred
and fifteen. We're going to crank up

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a ford just putting out, you
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and we're going to have her steel. All right? Good? So

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I did. I went over and
he had a meal railroad spike and he

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had a cold forge, and I
told him myself, I want to learn

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how to do this the way they
did it a thousand years ago, and

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that's what he recommended to you.
So it's all part of that learning process.

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So I did. I stuck at
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start hammering it and I hammered it
into something that somewhat looked like a knife,

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my first one. But he he's
a yeah, he's a great teacher.

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Recall, you know, when I
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I found the old law more more
blade and got dad's hacks all out

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and probably broke a blade or two
and cut something out that somewhat looked like

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a cutting tool and you know,
made a knife. But so from that

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day forward, I was absolutely hooked. And it was it was, to

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be truthful, it was therapy for
me and I really got a lot out

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of that. And then it hit
me one day, I was like,

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Okay, that's why all these guys
are doing this. It helps us and

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it you know, it's art and
it's science and it's mathematics and it it

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fires all these neutrons and things in
our brain to help help our brain and

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to help us as men. And
so I spent probably a month working with

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Jared and learning different techniques and learning
how to forge, and learning how to

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make a sheath out of kaiteex or
how to do pin placement, how to

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grind a knife, and how to
sharpen a knife. So these are all

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the things that you know go with
knife making. And yeah, I came

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home. I bought myself a forge, a little video grinder off of you

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know, some website somewhere, and
an anvil and a four pound of three

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pound hammer from Amazon, and started
heating and beaten steel. And then I'd

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set down and i'd I would draw
designs, you know of what I you

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know what, I always used what
I thought would be a useful tool for

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anyone everyone a hunter, a police
officer, you know, a soldier,

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a marine, those type of things. So I approached it as you know

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what, what will be a useful
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And I learned how to sharpen.
I unknowingly to my wife, I

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would go and get old kitchen eyes
and I sit there on the grinder and

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hope that would do work through that
if bucket honey have you seen my kid?

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No, I hadn't seen any of
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uh, and then I, you
know, I started, I reached out.

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In This industry is phenomenal because all
these people want to help you.

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They want to tell you how to
do this, unlike other industries that some

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of us are familiar with. But
yeah, they just embrace you. And

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so I want to learn how to
make Damascus. Well who's you know,

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who's the JETI have Damascus in this
country? Steve Schwartzer. So I met

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him, N talked to him.
He says, yes, come to Florida.

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I spend a week out there.
John Horrigan he lives about three hours

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away, unfortunately for John, and
it's like, hey, man, I

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need some help, okay, come
on. Or he'd calls like, hey,

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how do those prison ships coming.
I was like, dude, come

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on, they give you a break
it and uh, John and hammer on

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me pretty hard. You know,
a dagger. I wanted to learn how

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to make a dagger. The dagger
is the hardest, most difficult grind of

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any knife, because you have to
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All your lines are supposed to meet
up and match up, and so

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Bill Harsey. Bill Harsey was the
best in the country. So I called

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Bill Harsey, Hey, mister Harsey, I like to come out and learn

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how to grind a dagger? Well
you come on, you know? So

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yeah eighty and I went out there
spend a day with him, and yeah,

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just just so many Chris Williams,
you know, another Wilmont grinders.

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I went out and did a class
with Chris for a week and learned more

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Damascus techniques and made a chef knife
out there. So yeah, it's very

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refreshing. That's amazing that all of
these like super talented guys, we've been

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doing it forever. It's like,
yeah, come out to my shop and

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I'll sell you. Yeah. It
just blew me away because I was very

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standoffish. I get you know,
what do you want or what do I

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have to do for you or nothing? No, it's they want to teach

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the skill. Yeah, they want
to pass that knowledge on. Yeah,

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it's not like Dangel, Defenser clock
er Huk are going to invite you out

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to like learn how to write,
right, Yeah, And I would tell

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them, I'm like, hey,
I'm twenty years behind. I'm sixty three

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years old, I'm twenty years behind
everybody. I got to hurry up,

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Yeah, because I want to learn
this and I want to I want to

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be the best and I want to
make the best tool. You know.

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I want to use good steals and
learn what's right one. And trust me,

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I've got buckets and buckets and boxes
of stuff that didn't work. It

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didn't Okay, yeah, that doesn't
work. So yeah, don't harden steal

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and try to drill it, you
know, I got Yeah, what do

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you think it is about out blades, whether it's swords or tomahawks or knives

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that a certain like certain guys like
a lot of guys just geek out about

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that. He just I probably owned
sixteen knives and I don't use him for

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anything other than to open packages.
Sure, right, Yeah, I think

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it's in our DNA. It goes
back to when we drug knuckles. Yeah,

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you know in the first Yeah,
you know, pro magnon chips a

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blade like something out of stone to
go get food or you know, whatever

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the case may be. But yeah, and you know, guys and gals

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both they like a style, you
know, how does it fit their hand?

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What am I going to use this
for? You know? Am I

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haunter? Whatever the case, Am
I going to open boxes all day long

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with? Yeah? So yeah,
and there's I mean, go like,

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there's just so many choices out there
day. There's so many great knife makers

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and so yeah, it just it
just depends on that person, Yeah,

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and what they're looking for, and
you know, what's pleasing to the eye,

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and you know, does it stay
sharp? Does you know for police

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officer? Military? Hey, can
I pop a lock for this thing?

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Right? You know, pop a
windshield, open an M R E box?

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Right? But I don't think there's
beeny knife kills probably since you know,

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the forties, in World War Two, I know of a couple of

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knife fights and in g Watt,
but yeah, I don't I don't foresee

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anybody taking a digger out and taking
down sentries here. Yeah. Yeah,

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it's I think you've come to the
conclusion pretty quickly that because you know,

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I think we've all, especially initially
and then Gatt, we all carried really

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nice, you know, fancy knives
for that. I carried four five for

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that for that trench, for that
trench warfare. Yeah, but but then

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after you realize, well, my
primary has to go down, my secondary

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has to go down, And then
I'm probably in it, and so can

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I, you know, grabs,
you know, is it accessible? Like

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it really like just the practicality of
it after you know, a few ops

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like Paris, I would say,
though, I mean, although, yeah,

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the possibility of like killing a crowd
in a fox hole is pretty low

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down days, there is a very
like good and a good reason and a

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lot of utility to carry a fixed
blade night operationally. Yeah, just for

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utility purposes and the types of things
you need to cut, yes, yeah,

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and they and they transition from you
know, a twelve inch fighter now

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to what they call an nedc and
every day carry right, And it's probably

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one of my best sellers. But
you know, it's a six inch knif

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six inch blade or a six inch
knife for a three and a half inch

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blade, and handle enough. You
can carry it horizontal, you can carry

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it concealed. And I see a
lot of guys carrying those today's and they

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use them like a pocket knife.
Yeah. I mean, it's just it's

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what they're comfortable with or we're comfortable
with that. Yeah, it's that fixed

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blade And if I do need to
use it for offense or defense, then

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yes, I've got a fighting knife. That I can have, and even

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down to the little neck knives I've
made. I made a couple out of

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some scraps one time, and they
just people just scooped them up. Yeah,

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and guys bought them for their wives. They can wear them and they're

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running or at the gym or a
grocery shop and like a necklace, and

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it's just a very small, very
sharp blade that you know, they can

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use for whatever. And the and
I studied that thing and then talking to

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John Horrigan. But they were they
came about back in the eighteen hundreds with

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the mountain men, and they were
called a vest knife, and they made

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these little blades that they wore around
their neck and they use them to pop

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the cap off their muskets. Was
faster than to get their big booie out

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or but that's that's where that the
neck knife came from. I thought that

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was pretty cool, you know.
But yeah, so there's there's just so

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much, so many different types of
blades and technologies and steels and you know,

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down to the handles or scales of
the knife, you know. So

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yeah, just it depends on what
fits and you know, what you're looking

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for, what your job is or
Hey, I just I like to collect

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them folders. Yeah, yeah,
just to go a little bit deeper into

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like the process, because you've gone
through this yourself, some of the techniques

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with you know, we talked about
Damascus steel. I'd like to go a

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little more into that. And I
mean starting at the beginning, like you

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mentioned you wanted to learn how to
make knives using a cold forge. I

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don't even know what that is.
Could you explain what a cold forge is?

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Yeah, it's so it's a pan, a steel pan, probably probably

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three foot by three foot, and
then it'll have a place where you can

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induce air. So now we use
blowers, you know, back in the

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medieval times they big billows, you
know, I mean hand ones to small

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ones, and you know, and
horseshoers use the same thing back when they

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would form horseshoes and hot shoe.
Yeah, and that's kind of where I

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started back years and years ago,
learning to shoe horses and to shape that

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shoe and to put it in that
small forge and hammer forge that thing to

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fit that foot. But yeah,
so it's it's about that size and you

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put coal in it or charcoal,
and then you get that lit and then

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you induce air, which you need
to heat that coal up to the temperatures

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that you need, so you know, fifteen sixteen hun degrees to heat that

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steel so you can hammer it and
shape it into what you need as far

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as welding steel, so for Damascus
you need twenty two hundred degrees minimum,

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so that that gets more into the
propane and induced tea things like that.

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But they still did it a thousand
years ago when they were making Damascus in

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Syria and places in the mid East. Yeah. I know you told us

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a story before the show, and
I think it's a great story. I

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like you to repeat it. But
we were talking about a known Templar rendition

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operation when it came to Damascus steel. Yes, yeah, So when the

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Crusades began in the late eleventh century, late ten hundreds, so the Crusaders

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were fighting against the Mid Easterns,
the Muslims, and they found that they

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had better steel in their swords.
So I don't know how many years it

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was, you know, in the
twelfth century, but they so, you

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know, the Crusaders and the Templars
were like, okay, we need some

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better steel for our weapons. So
they send a little clandestine unit into the

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Mid East, Syria around there and
kidnapped two of their master sword makers and

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brought them back to France, Europe
and learned how to make this Damascus steel,

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which was they had you know,
different ores and and different different materials,

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and that they could learn, you
know, where to get those,

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how to get those and then make
that steel that the people that were fighting

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and into their steel. So yeah, it was it was very interesting to

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learn about that. Now they said, they said, a special opsute kid

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do a kidnap and bring them back. So when you make a knife out

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of Damascus steel, what's what's your
methodology? How do you do it?

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Yeah, so I learned to take
so I take ten eighty or ten eighty

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four steel, so your your good
knife steel is a very high And let

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me get this straight through. I'm
no expert. I'm still learning this.

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I've only been doing it about less
than two years now. But I'm hungry

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for knowledge and I want to learn
this stuff. And again that's why I

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went to the best in this country
that I could find. So I'll take

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a ten eighty a high carbon steel
and then fifteen in twenty steel, so

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that's a high nickel content. So
and then I'll make a sandwich and it'll

407
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:44.680
be say, I'll use twenty layers, so I'll alternate high carbon steel,

408
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.519
so ten eighty and then fifteen to
twenty ten eighty fifty. So I get

409
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.240
twenty layers, okay, and then
I wel that up with an arc welder

410
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.200
into about six inches long. Stack
will be about three and a half inches

411
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.640
thick and an inch and a half
wide is about the standard to start a

412
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.319
Damascus billet. Okay, I'll put
that in the forge. I heat it

413
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.319
up to twenty two hundred degrees.
Then I pull it out, and then

414
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.240
i'll set that weld. I have
a coal iron press. So after I

415
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:21.039
hammered my first eighty some layers the
Mascus knife, after two days of ten

416
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.640
hours a day hammering the steel and
folding it, cutting it, folding it,

417
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.160
heating it, cutting it, folding
it into eighty I think it was

418
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.640
eighty four layers, maybe eighty layers. So I bought a press. So

419
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.640
with these there's power hammers and then
there's presses. So this press, I

420
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.319
have a sixteen ton press. So
I can put that steel in this press

421
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.240
and I can smash that steel down. Okay, So the first thing you

422
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:50.119
have to do is you have to
set that weld. So it's not a

423
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.079
very it's not a real aggressive,
you know, smash on that steel,

424
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.720
but it's it's just bumping it through
that billet to set that weld. Okay,

425
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.359
then I take it out, put
it back in the forge, and

426
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:06.079
then I'll start forging it. All
right. So what you do when you

427
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.519
smash that still is it stretches it
out and then it makes it a little

428
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.920
bit wider. And there's different techniques
that you can use press or a power

429
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:19.000
hammer. A power hammer just does
so much more in my humble opinion,

430
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.920
because you can and I've used both. I've learned to use both, and

431
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.920
one of these days I'll get a
power hammer. So but yeah, so

432
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.160
you can. There's more techniques you
can use. You can turn it different

433
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.200
ways and then turn it on edge. And but I love my press and

434
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.119
it does everything that I need to
do or any of the guys and gals

435
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:45.480
that come to my my forge to
make damascus. So I'll smash that out

436
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.000
and again I'll start with twenty layers. Let's say I want an eighty layer

437
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.640
Damascus blade, and that's that's a
that's a very It gives a very nice

438
00:33:53.720 --> 00:34:01.039
pattern. And and so I'll do
that twenty layers and then I'll pull it

439
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.759
out, I'll cool it off,
I grind it down, clean it up.

440
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.559
Then I cut it in half and
I fold it and then I rewold

441
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:14.039
it again. So I'll do that
until I have eighty layers, one hundred

442
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.559
and sixty layers. I have one
knife that's sixteen hundred layers. I have

443
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.480
a couple of those daggers are probably
three thousand layers. Because we cut it

444
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.960
and folded it, cut it and
folded it over days and forge welled it

445
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:31.320
back together and then you come up
with these just beautiful patterns. And there

446
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:37.400
are guys out there and gals that
have you know, they've really I mean,

447
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.719
they can do some of the craziest
patterns that you've ever seen. But

448
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.079
it's how you put it together.
Oh, there's mosaics. John Horgan's probably

449
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:52.679
the master on Turkish I think it's
called a Turkish twist. But just these

450
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.440
incredible patterns. So forgive my ignorance. When when you see the pattern in

451
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.119
the Damascus steel, is that the
layers that you have laid it on top

452
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.119
of each other and then you've grinded
it down so that you're seeing yes,

453
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:10.079
yes, and the so the the
steel with the high nickel content, which

454
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.800
is will come out brighter. So
what happens is when we finish it,

455
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.880
we get that knife forged out and
then we cut out the shape or we

456
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.159
hammer forge it into a shape that
we're going to have, and then we

457
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:30.159
grind it and then once we get
to that near that finished blade, then

458
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.840
we're gonna put it in ferric acid, okay, and that's what darkens the

459
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.119
high carbon steel, which really makes
it pop against that high nickel steel.

460
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.039
It'll be the brighter color in that
steel shiny. I guess you would say

461
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.079
so. And then there's a different
technique. Some guys will buffet to to

462
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:55.159
mirror polish and really make that stuff
pop. Yeah, it's it's interesting because

463
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.119
I've always known what it, you
know, I've known what I Damascus steel

464
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.280
blade look like. I can see
one and say it's Damascus, but I

465
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.039
never knew how it's made or what
made it Damascus. I didn't either,

466
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.920
And it's I mean, they're beautiful
blades, and the blades you've brought here

467
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.599
and we're going to show you guys
some of these so if if you're listening

468
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.559
to this on the podcast, when
we start showing these blades, you owe

469
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.679
it to yourself. You owe it
to yourself to like come to YouTube and

470
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.760
check out the videos because they're beautiful, and also go to your website.

471
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.360
What's your website again, Blades for
Brothers dot com? Blades for Brothers dot

472
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.440
com where you can see like all
of all of Gravy's uh stuff. So

473
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.320
yeah, but before we get a
little deeper into the knives, do you

474
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.079
want to talk about Blade for Blades
for Brothers and where you're going what this

475
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.360
is all evolving into? You bet? So it was about it was last

476
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:57.119
November and I got to thinking about
it and I mean, I've just I

477
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:01.239
mean, knife made has been such
therapy for me, and it's it's a

478
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:06.280
happy place, you know, where
I can go and talking to my wife

479
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.920
about it, and I says,
you know, I want to give back.

480
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.480
How can I help other vets,
first responders, family members? So

481
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.960
I was like, you know what, I'm just going to start a nonprofit.

482
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.639
So I talked to a couple of
friends of mine and we found Blade

483
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:30.039
for Brothers was out there, so
I took it and what's the word I'm

484
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:37.000
looking for. Yeah, I made
that my nonprofit and got a website up.

485
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:44.119
And our mission is to bring in
vets, first responders, family members,

486
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.119
and we teach them how to make
a knife, and we offer a

487
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.559
safe place where they can come.
We fellowship and we tell stories and we

488
00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:00.360
learn something new, we learn art, or we learn a skill. And

489
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.440
you know when I tell him,
hey, just use your imagination. What

490
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.920
tool do you want to make?
What? What knife do you want to

491
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.480
make? Or you want to pile
at knife? You want skinner, you

492
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.679
want a fighter, whatever the case. Again, I'm no expert. I

493
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.239
don't have a clue what I'm doing, but I'm having fun doing it well.

494
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.000
And I would say your knives say
different, you know, thank you.

495
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:28.639
Yeah, I don't know about that, But so what what for you?

496
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.800
Like? What are your favorite types
of blades? Like? What types

497
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.599
of blades are you really drawing to? I love the dagger. It's and

498
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.719
not many people do because it's it's
very very difficult to grind a dagger.

499
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:50.800
But yeah, the the and one
of my knives. And I name my

500
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.679
knives to honor guys that I served
with or guys that I knew. My

501
00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.039
Bob Bob Fighter I named after Bob
Horigan and and Bob and I were very

502
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.679
very good friends. He was killed
in action in two thousand and five out

503
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.079
in western Iraq. But and his
twin brother, John Horrigan is just a

504
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:14.639
phenomenal I don't know what he is, but his knives, his swords,

505
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:19.639
his art is just unbelievable. And
yeah, and I know a lot to

506
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.480
John. He's helped me quite a
bit. I know he probably hates it

507
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.719
every time my number comes up on
his phone because I called him and asked

508
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.480
him. And Bill Harsey and Steve
Schwarzer and Chris Williams and all these.

509
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:36.599
Kyle amb Is another one. Kyle
had just started making knives too about the

510
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.159
time, just before I did,
and I'd call him and bug him.

511
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.760
I like, hey, man,
what about this. He's like, Grave,

512
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.800
You're so stupid, man, just
just go have fun. I was

513
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.400
like, yeah, Roger that but
Kyle a phenomenal knife maker. You know,

514
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.880
go look at his stuff. But
yeah, all these all these folks

515
00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:00.440
are just they just open arms.
And but yeah, the fighter is I

516
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.199
I really love love that my skin. I just love them all. And

517
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.760
the dagger is very challenging and it
takes a lot of focus and a lot

518
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.840
of concentration to get those grinds right. And and again. I've got buckets

519
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.320
and buckets of steel that I practiced
on and ground. And then I'll go

520
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:30.639
to h you have neglected knives and
Greg Medford, Yes, Medford knife and

521
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:36.639
knife and tool. Greg's a four
marine. I've known Greg for many,

522
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.599
many years. Phenomenal knife maker,
and yeah, go check his stuff out.

523
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.719
It's yeah, he's helped me quite
a bit. I've taken my Kneyes

524
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.199
to Phoenix. I says, all
right, tear him apart, and he

525
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.719
will. And that's I mean,
that's just how we are. We.

526
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.519
Yeah, we It's like our debriefs
and our ars after a mission. I

527
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.519
don't care what I did right,
what did I do wrong? Yeah?

528
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.239
How can I do this better?
Yeah? Make me a better knife maker?

529
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.480
Help me understand what I need to
do. Yeah, you know,

530
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:15.840
it's thank you. I you say
that it's a very open community and that

531
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.920
people will just teach you, but
I also want I also believe that it's

532
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.440
a testament to you, to who
you are as a human being, to

533
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:29.199
your service and everything else that you
can literally just go sit at the feet

534
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.199
of these masters of the industry and
they are willing to because I'm sure that

535
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.320
they're willing to. Like if I
were to call them say hey, I

536
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.239
want to make a knife, I'll
be like get that. Yeah, yeah,

537
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.840
yeah, wrong number. It sounds
a little bit like there is something

538
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:46.920
to like, you know, this
is the sense and they're looking for a

539
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:51.320
protegee that takes it serious. Bet. Yeah, yeah, that's what.

540
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:57.239
And they've told me that that Jim
Poor, Jason Knight, other world renowned

541
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:02.000
knife makers are like your excitement sites
yeah right, yeah, And I know

542
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.079
and I get it, but that
that's just that's who we are and that's

543
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.719
where we came from and our former
professions as warriors and that, yeah,

544
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.320
I want to do good at this. I want to be the best.

545
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.679
Yeah. And they get that from
guys like once they kind of learn who

546
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.440
we are and get to know us, and they're like, oh, yeah,

547
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.280
man, I heard about you.
You crash helicopter? No, man,

548
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.159
I got shot down. I didn't
crash, you know. They they

549
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:37.559
still joke that. Now Blazer Brothers
has chapters in different parts of the country

550
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.000
right where people like veterans and first
responders can go, And that's my strategic

551
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.639
plan. But good. Yeah,
thank you for bringing that up. That's

552
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.599
my And again we're in the infancy
stages of Blades for Brothers. There is

553
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:58.480
there's a there's another forge in South
Texas that is doing this, and I've

554
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.920
talked to the guys that run it
and all over the country. But I

555
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.719
just I need to get out and
network better. And but yeah, I

556
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.440
want to have a I want to
have chapters all over the country for Blades

557
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.639
for Brothers. So if a VET
or a police officer or firefighter from New

558
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.519
Jersey calls says, hey, I
want to make a knife, Well,

559
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.920
they can't afford to jump on a
plane fly to Graham, Texas and yeah,

560
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.480
you know, and so that way
I can, Hey, there's two

561
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.039
knife makers within twenty miles of you. Let me contact them and I'll hook

562
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.840
you guys up and you know,
do the vetting process. Yeah and yeah,

563
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.559
and hook those guys up. So
that that's my Yeah, that's a

564
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.800
strategic plan for the future and near
futures to get and they don't have you

565
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.920
know, these knife makers they're not
vets, or some of them are,

566
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.960
but they're just they're like, yeah, send them to us, man,

567
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.159
have them call me, tell them
come hang out for a couple of days

568
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.239
and just yeah, we'll make a
knife if they can watch or you know,

569
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.480
whatever case. So, yeah,
what is it about knife making that

570
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.719
you found like therapeutic? I'd really
like to hear sort of what's the mental

571
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.719
state that it puts you in when
you're doing focus, the focus, the

572
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:16.159
intensity and then to take a raw
piece of raw material, raw piece of

573
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:22.480
steel and turning it into a knife, a blade, a tool and yeah,

574
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:28.679
and then yeah, I would say
in the attention to detail. And

575
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.599
that's and people get on me a
lot because they're like, you don't worry

576
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.039
about that, man, just you
know. And I talked to Chris Stroop

577
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:42.239
a lot, another phenomenal new knife
maker knife coming Stroop Knives. And I'll

578
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.760
call Chris and bug him. You
know. He's like, no, just

579
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.159
grind that to one twenty, You're
good. I was like, no,

580
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.360
man, I gotta go to four
hundred, you know on my grind and

581
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.360
I gotta make it look no,
you don't just stop just yeah. So

582
00:44:54.119 --> 00:45:01.880
but yeah, that that's the focus
and and oh goodness, just a meaning

583
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.920
of it, right, and it
gives me a mission, you know,

584
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.400
and it's and it's a hobby I
mean, it's it's not a business for

585
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:17.039
me. My wife brings out at
one o'clock in the morning and says,

586
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.000
honey, it's done, come to
bed. I'm like, oh, it's

587
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.320
dark out. Okay. Yeah,
yeah, Gravy's being humble. It is

588
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.280
a business and we'll show you that
here. Second, the other thing I

589
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.719
want to mention some of your tolders
for the show is that you want to

590
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:35.679
go see a neurologist right that it
actually improved, yes, improved my test

591
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:40.039
scores based on the prior six years. Is when I started to see him,

592
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.639
doctor Brett Osborne in Florida, and
I go see him every year.

593
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.800
A foundation sends me that supports vets
with tb I and PTS and yeah,

594
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.119
that guy is phenomenal and I highly
recommend him if you get a chance to

595
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:59.199
go and and see him. But
last the last year I went, he

596
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:05.199
said, man, because the first
part of my when I'm there cognitive testing

597
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.039
and a lot of testing, you
know, memory and things like that.

598
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.519
And he walks in later that afternoon
he goes, hey, Greg, your

599
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.320
your test scores are off the chart. Man. He said, whatever you're

600
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.719
doing, keep doing it, don't
stop. And yeah, and he looked

601
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.280
at idiot. He goes, what's
he doing, you know, and at

602
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.199
the time he says, well,
he finished writing a book and he started

603
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:30.199
making noves. And he goes,
oh, making nos okay, art geometry,

604
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.000
you know, and he starts naming
all these things that help fire,

605
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.559
all these things in our brains and
to give us focus and give us a

606
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.159
mission, because that's what we're looking
for. Man, Yeah, that's what

607
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:45.800
we're looking for. And you know, it's interesting because I remember when you

608
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:49.679
know, I went to go see
a TBI specialist. You know, they're

609
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.559
like, look, you know,
we recommend that you try to learn some

610
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.360
music, you know, learn how
to play music, or learn a language,

611
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.400
like you have to find something to
like start your brain back up.

612
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:06.039
And it sounds as though this is
an overlooked field for people who are suffering

613
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.199
from TBIs and things like that.
It's a creative endeavor that maybe if they're

614
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.199
not, you know, don't want
to learn the guitar or whatever. Sure,

615
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.039
yeah yeah, and as warriors,
I mean, what's better than going

616
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.679
hammer and steel, right right?
So yeah, I want to make so

617
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.039
bad. Yeah. Well it's physical
too, I mean, it it wakes

618
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.239
you up. There's a physicality to
it, Yeah, very much. Yeah,

619
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.159
Yeah, it gets hot. Yeah, you got the forge going,

620
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.239
you know. And here we are, me and my knuckleheaded brother marine out

621
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.519
It's one hundred and fifty degrees probably
in August and Texas to work forge and

622
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.639
steel man. Yeah, drink water. Right, he's running out there with

623
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.159
gatorays and body armors like you guys
need died right, Okay, Yeah,

624
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.400
we're doing See. You were,
as I recall it, you were a

625
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.000
big ipsic shooter too, right,
Yeah. Did you find that as a

626
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.960
shooter as well? That the focus
that goes into each shot? Absolutely?

627
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:06.159
Yeah, it's yeah. I shot
ESPSA and then tactical three gun and shot

628
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.280
professionally for a while. I shot
with the AMU. To this day,

629
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:13.960
I'm like, why did you guys
bring me up? But anyway, but

630
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:19.159
yeah, it's it's it's focus and
you know, you're getting trigger time and

631
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.320
breaking down a stage, you know, and all the things that go with

632
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:28.960
that. I just recently got sucked
into this twenty two world shooting. Twenty

633
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.000
two's oh yeah, oh my gosh, I have not had so much fun

634
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.519
in my life. I'd bean Jim, poor Bill, poor Dan Warren.

635
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:42.440
These these guys in West Texas pulled
me into that that rabbit hole, and

636
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.800
yeah, I got a twenty two
rifle and we're shooting out to two hundred

637
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.880
and fifty yards with twenty two.
What's the twenty two rabbit hole? Like,

638
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.079
well, how's that appealing as opposed
to like long range or what you

639
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.480
were doing before? Cheap man boxing
twenty twos is eight dollars. You get

640
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.599
fifty bullets that you can go have
a blow. That's awesome. Yeah you're

641
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.559
shooting steel, Yes, yeah,
we're shooting steel seventy five yards. The

642
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.519
target's three eight inches by three eight
inches. I'm not kidding. Yeah,

643
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:14.960
in two fifty they're just I don't
know what's but they're I'm like, man,

644
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.559
you are evil to do it.
The guy owdes this rage, you

645
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.400
know, but oh my gosh,
we have so much fun. Yeah,

646
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.599
the twenty two's or they're a hoot. Yeah they are. Yeah, shooting

647
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.280
is it's I think again. I'm
and I still love to shoot, and

648
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:36.559
I still love to train, but
it And a guy quoted me one time,

649
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.559
I was doing a class for some
SWAT guys and I had some rider

650
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.559
out there, but I said,
shooting is the most perishable skill of human

651
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.000
hass. We use all of our
senses, we use all of our muscles

652
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:53.000
and thinking and thinking through this,
I mean, just the most the simplest

653
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:58.639
engagement. You know, you have
to think by stop and think and hey

654
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.320
is my stuff ready? And my
love just going through all those just like

655
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.159
a USPI ripsy match. You know, every time I walked up to the

656
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.280
line, I did the same thing. Every time. It made sure.

657
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:14.920
What's the loudest sound in a gunfight? Click? Yeah, yeah, that's

658
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:22.079
for sure. So yeah, it's
it's very much parallels parallel, but it's

659
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.119
it's expensive nowadays, man. Yeah, it's getting really expensive. And we

660
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.119
can with the knife making seems like
a little bit different in the sense that

661
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:36.119
it's a craft or a skill,
but there's also an artistic side to it

662
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.159
as well. Yeah, it's a
hobby. I mean a lot of a

663
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.760
lot of the guys that have come
through in the last just few months that

664
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.159
I've met and wanted to learn and
get started, and you know, it's

665
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.599
a hobby for them, man,
they're just making beautiful, beautiful blades match

666
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.519
up. Yeah, and a couple
other guys are just yeah, it's crazy,

667
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:02.159
man, and it and it's I'm
very driven and I love to teach

668
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.840
and I love to instruct. I
don't know how good I am at it,

669
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:13.719
but it's it's just something that you
know, I want to help them

670
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:20.239
and help them overcome that the dragons
and demons or whatever you know, is

671
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:27.280
chasing them. But yeah, it
definitely definitely helps. It helps me,

672
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.000
and I know these other guys that
have helped too. One thing that is

673
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:38.840
really amazing about your knives in particular, I think is for you know,

674
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.639
for the selection that you have,
aside from just the ones you make,

675
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.960
but it's the history that you put
in them. Yes, yeah, it's

676
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:58.039
so when I got shot down,
I somehow got into my possession the twelve

677
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:04.679
barrels off my mini guns, okay, and I carried him around for years,

678
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.280
and actually there were some knives made. Greg Medford did this and I

679
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:15.239
met met with Greg. I think
it was about twenty ten, and he

680
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.920
was brand new getting started. I
mean, his shot was probably not even

681
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.239
as big as this building now.
It's just you know, it's a mega

682
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:29.840
manufacturing, world class facility. But
I told Greg, and i'd approached some

683
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:30.920
knife makers. I said, hey, what do you think, Oh,

684
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:35.119
you're stupid or no, I don't
have time, No, it can't be

685
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.039
done. And so I sat there
the barrels into knives, yes, taking

686
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:45.840
those minigun barrels and making him into
a knife, some type of knife.

687
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.840
And Greg looked at me and he
was like, I'll do it. I

688
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:54.079
said, okay, So he did, and he made some damascus blades out

689
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.639
of it. A folder and I
think it's called the TFF. Five was

690
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:06.000
the number back then. And I
think we only got like thirteen or fourteen

691
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.639
knives out of the whole thing.
And the God blessed Greg maverer Man.

692
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:14.440
He spent two years on this project
trying to find somebody that could hammer,

693
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.880
forg just steal. Then nobody knew
about the you know, we knew they

694
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.760
were forty one thirty steel that have
a lot of chromium. They've got chrome

695
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.119
line burrels, so that has to
be bored out. And but yeah,

696
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:32.000
so I had some folders made and
he gave me some of them, and

697
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.079
I took those and I gave them
to the guys that were with me on

698
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:43.639
the ground that day I got shot
down. Yeah, and so I had

699
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.159
I had some of that steel left
and those barrels left and I got into

700
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.880
knife making. I was like,
okay, I want to do something cool

701
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:57.719
with this. So I met Steve
Schwarzer. John Horrigan introduced me to him

702
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:04.280
because I asked, who's the Yoda
of Damascus Steel. Steve's Forzer, And

703
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:10.159
so I met Steve. I told
him my story and he goes, you're

704
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.239
coming to my shop in Florida.
I said, just sir Roger that.

705
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:21.159
So I cornated with Steve, took
the steel out there. It was last

706
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:27.199
September, and had the minigum barrels. I had already had chopped them up

707
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:32.119
in about probably one inch lenks,
and then I had already bored drilled out

708
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.599
the chrome liner and those barrels.
I want to be ready. I want

709
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:42.519
to be prepared. I wanted to
get to work, and so we started.

710
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:47.239
So we welded those those piece of
barrel up, got a billet,

711
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:53.480
and then I was there on September
eleventh last year, and he and his

712
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:58.800
wife Laura, they had a chunk
of World Trade Center steel, I mean

713
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:04.039
a big chunk like that about that
thick that they gifted to me on nine

714
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:08.239
to eleven on that day, and
they had a plan and I was like

715
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.519
you and I and I love those
guys. They're just amazing. And Laura,

716
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:19.880
his wife, is an incredible knifemaker. She is very gifted. So

717
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:24.079
we I chopped that steal up and
I started to forge well the barrels,

718
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:30.199
and I spent two days there.
There have been some people that say they

719
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:36.199
can do it, or said they
could do it, and I have my

720
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:43.039
doubts because simply one that the steel
is very difficult to forge because of the

721
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:49.119
chemical compound, has a lot of
chromium in that steel for barrels to make

722
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:54.559
them last and to heat the heat
that goes with those gun barrels. So

723
00:55:55.239 --> 00:56:02.360
I spent two days two days for
in those little pieces of gun barrel and

724
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.000
we walled them up, stuck them
in the forge, got them heated up

725
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.880
to twenty two hundred plus degrees,
pulled them out. There's a great big

726
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.400
bubble growing on the side of it. And I was like, oh no,

727
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.920
And Steve looks, say he goes, go pound it. So I

728
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.599
put it in the press pound pound
pound pounds, smashed it back in the

729
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.320
forge. I did that for two
days, ten hours a day, just

730
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.679
on that little piece of steel.
Wow. So we got him to forge

731
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:37.199
welled and what it was is that
what in his theory and what we learned

732
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.880
is that you have to burn that
those chemicals out of that steel to and

733
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.559
keep the high carbon in place.
Okay, So we burned the chromium out

734
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.599
and then we finally got a billet
made and then took the World Trade Center

735
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:59.159
Steel Sadwich did it in and then
spend a day forging that. We got

736
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:05.039
about one hundred man hours and just
making the original billet of minigun barrow and

737
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.800
World Tracing steel. Yes, and
I got enough steel out of that to

738
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.760
make I made four blades that in
my mind, I said, Okay,

739
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:22.519
these have very very historical meaning to
them. And there's there's no more of

740
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.639
this left on the planet. I
mean there isn't. And I made it.

741
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.960
And Steve Schwartzer so then I go, I get him back, I

742
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:37.480
get get back home. I got
my billets made. I had four designs.

743
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:42.239
I had leon. It's a it's
not quite as big as a booie,

744
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.239
but it's bigger than a fighter,
so kind of a mid size.

745
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:52.400
And so I cut that piece out
and I want to make a dagger,

746
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.679
So I got that cut out,
and then my Bob design a fighter and

747
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.480
it's got a purple heart I made. I made the handles out of purple

748
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:06.280
heart wood. Then I embedded two
of my miniature purple heart metals on each

749
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.519
side of the handle, so it's
the Purple Heart Fighter and then a mini

750
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:15.199
bob. So my eedc all out
of that original billet of steel. Now,

751
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.119
when I cut that out, I
had pieces of that steel and I

752
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:28.119
kept them. So I made those
four knives and I made those to auction

753
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:34.039
off and to raise money to help
other nonprofits and help blades for Brothers and

754
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:40.920
you know, help other folks.
So so I took those pieces and I

755
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.639
made some more daggers out of those
pieces. What we had to do,

756
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.559
and Jim poor Flatland Forest helped me
with that, and you got I talked

757
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:55.480
to you guys about that project.
And I think that Dimitri asked me.

758
00:58:55.480 --> 00:59:01.039
He was like, we want ten
daggers and I said yeah, and everybody,

759
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:07.519
yeah, okay, whatever to meet
you or go home, go big,

760
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.639
go home. I said, well, I might have enough steel left

761
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:15.440
for five. I said, let
me let me do some calculations because I

762
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:20.880
just had to have help. I
don't my little shop, I don't have

763
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:27.079
the equipment. The yeah power hammers
and all the other things too to get

764
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.719
this mission done. But man,
I was like, I have a mission

765
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:36.159
and I'm gonna do it, and
I'm not letting you guys down, letting

766
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.239
Jack to meet your down. Well, let's not keep people waiting here.

767
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.840
Which knife? You brought a whole
collection here? What do you want to

768
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:49.440
show people first? Oh? Probably
the the big Yeah, one of the

769
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:57.599
two original Blazer this, so I
had a so I think deeck uh is

770
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:04.400
heeing Frank because he's gonna use our
ten thousand dollars focus feature. So it's

771
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.960
it's this camera here one yet this
one, so if you want to kind

772
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:14.039
of yeah. So this is one
of the four originals. And this one

773
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:17.119
I named Leon after mass Starting Leon
Hanson, my good good friend. He

774
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:22.559
was a fire supporter in Beeftquater and
a Delta. It took his life in

775
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.800
twenty fifteen. So the sheath was
made by a friend of mine, but

776
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:34.320
I wanted to incorporate. So this
is a piece of leather off of my

777
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:39.599
boot that I was wearing the day
I was shot down, So they incorporated

778
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:46.639
that. And this is sixteen hundred
layers of Damascus steel that we made that

779
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:52.360
I may with Steve and there's actually
there's four different patterns in this knife.

780
01:00:52.440 --> 01:01:00.159
I mean, it's just it's incredible. I made the handles or scales this

781
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:04.559
night because I was thinking, Okay, how can I make this thing just

782
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:09.559
just out of this world crazy?
So I found some forms and I used

783
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:16.639
it POxy but in these handles.
So there's a there's a and again this

784
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.840
is all recovered from the crash site
when I was shot down. Oh four,

785
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.400
So this is a seven sixty two
bullet that came from my minigun AMMO.

786
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:30.199
There's a seven sixty two link that
I smashed and put it in there.

787
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.159
This is a button off off one
of the seven sixty two rounds.

788
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.920
And when I was cutting these off
of this old burn up brass, I

789
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.559
looked at and I was like,
huh, Lake City nineteen seventy four.

790
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.280
I was carrying AMMO that was nineteen
seventy four. If you know how to

791
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:52.119
read, you know, read read
the AMMO buttons. And then there's there's

792
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.559
a piece of the main roador that
I cut out. I have a piece

793
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.840
of the main roader. And then
on the other side is a piece of

794
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:07.239
the teatail on this side of the
handle. And then there's a tan piece

795
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.679
that's a piece of my uniform,
my flight suit that I was wearing that

796
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:15.760
incorporated into this handle in it.
It probably took me, I think,

797
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.880
eight tries to get to this.
Again, I didn't have a clue what

798
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:23.079
I was doing. I'd get on
YouTube and look and read and research.

799
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:31.639
But yeah, so this is the
leon and yeah, that was the purple

800
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:37.000
heart. She put her finger.
Yeah, so in the purple heart knife.

801
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:44.280
Had I just epoxyed. I'd recessed
those miniatures into the handle, into

802
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.320
the wooden handles, and I brought
it inside, laid it on the bar

803
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.760
for the epoxy to set up,
and God bless my mother in law.

804
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.239
She came in. She goes,
oh, that's pretty and she put her

805
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:02.519
finger right in that wet epoxy and
I was like, oh, I left

806
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.800
it. I left. It's still
there today, all part of the gravy

807
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:13.559
history. So you've had because not
just the quality of the blade and like

808
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:17.039
how you know the and it's it's
an amazing like knife, like just the

809
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:21.639
way it feels in the hand and
everything, but you've had this a praise

810
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.039
by people in the industry. Yes, and with all the historical significance and

811
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:29.599
everything they've told you that this knife
and praises out around one hunder ground,

812
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.480
right, yeah, I mean it's
incredible, Like there are things the things

813
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:37.960
that you incorporate into some of your
knives are like if you want to own

814
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:40.760
a piece of history, this is
it. This is it man. Yeah,

815
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.840
there's no I love that that.
It's not just a knife. It

816
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.440
has like it's very much greg it's
there. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

817
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.880
piece of me. Yeah. And
leather from your boot part of your flight

818
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.519
suit, like the rotor. Uh
is incredible. Yeah, main road detail.

819
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.920
Yeah, those pieces wound up in
the back of my truck one day,

820
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:06.599
but they came home. Yeah.
And then this is the six gun

821
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:13.559
dagger, so that I did.
And this is from the same steel we

822
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:20.960
we hammer forged this. And again
it was my Oh does it okay?

823
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:28.760
No, no, no, I'm
not yep, But I liked the coffin

824
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:33.000
handle. A bit of history about
the coffin handle. It originally was on

825
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.840
the Booi. So the guy that
came up with the coffin handle was a

826
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.559
good friend of Jim Bowie's and that
was one of the original handles on the

827
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:47.360
Bowie knife because they said this blade
will put you in the coffin. I

828
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.880
was like, okay, that's good
enough for my knife. But yeah,

829
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:56.800
I went down to John Horrigan's and
he, you know, he helped me

830
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.360
a bunch with you know, my
final groun. And again the dagger is

831
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.920
is the hardest knife to grind.
I mean, these all these lines match

832
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:13.639
up, and I'm just I was
really really proud of this blade. And

833
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.360
yeah, it's a hidden tang on
this one. And yeah, because I

834
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:24.719
kind of significance too, doesn't it. Yeah, so the pins and all

835
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.079
mine eyes, the pins I use
look like the end of a mini gun

836
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.760
burrel, so that's it's got six
little burrels on it. And then the

837
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:39.480
red comes from our Red six.
We're known b Company First one sixtieth are

838
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:43.039
known as the six Guns because of
the two mini guns that would carry on

839
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:48.800
the ah. And then the red
designates our Red six and then the blood

840
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.920
of those that have gone before us
and then have sacrificed. So yeah,

841
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.840
I try to incorporate history and things
that I think about. And then you

842
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.000
also had this one I pray is
out right, yes, yes, And

843
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:06.840
what did they tell you that this
one it prays out? Yeah, they

844
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:14.159
said fifty to fifty to sixty grand. And they asked me. You know

845
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.679
when I when I first had I
showed these four blades, the different masters,

846
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.039
and they said, well, what
do you want for these? And

847
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.880
I said, man if I get
three or four grand for all of them,

848
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:30.079
and they're like, you're stupid.
No, no, these are history.

849
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.480
Yeah, this has the World Trade
Center steel. Yeah, as many

850
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:39.320
gum burrows that killed a lot of
terrorists, no kna. And that's something

851
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.440
that we may have left out is
this steal the Damaska steel. If you

852
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:47.199
can see it folded in there,
it is World Trade Center steel. H

853
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:53.039
steal from the World Trade Center,
you know. And uh and mini guns,

854
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.119
yes, my minigum burrows. Yeah
yeah, yeah, from tail number

855
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:03.880
three, six four and then and
these first four serial numbered, all four

856
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:09.559
of them, but I used my
tail number three, six four and then

857
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:13.719
one through four three six four dash
one that's two three, that's four.

858
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.760
So yeah, that's the and this
got my name, my logo which is

859
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:21.280
a Crusader shield and an American black. They're they're amazing, it's beautiful.

860
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:30.480
So now, d uh. The
the blaze that d made you make compelled

861
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:32.840
you you gotta make these. I
was like, oh, gosh, man,

862
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:38.000
I'll get these ones out of here. So they're they're they're all a

863
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:42.840
little varied, yes, but they
but they have some our trace. They're

864
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.119
they're the Daggers. Yeah, I
picked the he picked the hardest one.

865
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.159
Yeah, thanks D. Good jobs. Would the website Jack and I said,

866
01:07:51.199 --> 01:08:00.760
definitely no Daggers because okay, so
Buddy's half a word, huh but

867
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:05.440
uh and I mean they're beautiful.
Uh, I don't know. Can you

868
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.639
see d on the camera? Can
you see the Damascus the patterns in these

869
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:17.359
them on you like? Because they
they because they have different patterns and they're

870
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.079
just stunning. Yeah. And there
are six, six of these, right,

871
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:29.039
yes, yeah, and I had
enough. I mean, materials are

872
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:33.920
just hard to get nowadays, but
I had so this all G ten.

873
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:39.239
I used G ten and and all
six of these. So it's it's a

874
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:45.359
very very strong composite that's used in
a lot of things but knife handles,

875
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:50.159
uh, firearms, different things out
there in the industry today. But this

876
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:56.720
stuff is harder woodpecker lips, and
it's it's very durable. You know,

877
01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:00.199
ascid won't herd it weather, you
know those things. But I actually had

878
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:06.119
this G ten made for one of
the knives I did with the original company

879
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:10.800
in Dallas makes this, but it's
red and black, and I thought it

880
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.319
would really I made two, put
these on two of the Daggers, and

881
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.000
then the other four Daggers had the
black G ten. But yeah, I

882
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:23.079
just I just I like, really, the black again designates you know,

883
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:27.159
that's where we operate. We operate
at night, and we are night stalkers,

884
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.760
and you know we fight at night. We are the world's premiere night

885
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:38.760
fighters in our communities. But this
particular let's see, yeah, this is

886
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:44.840
this is a random Damascus here that
Jim Poor helped me with. I went

887
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:48.319
out to his shop because he had
the equipment and he had you know,

888
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:54.159
logistics and support to make this stuff. And you know, I made this

889
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.079
steel, I cut them out,
I ground them all right there at my

890
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:04.760
shop and Grand Texas. These six
I numbered WS Whiskey Sherriff for war steel

891
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:11.760
and one through six so they were
laser engraved. And these all have certificates

892
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:16.720
of authenticity for each knife. That's
a random. This was a I did

893
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:23.319
a canister Damascus on these. It
was something different, something I thought about.

894
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:28.840
So I took pieces from the original
billets and I used a four inch

895
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.760
by four inch square tubing. Okay, that's my canister, and it was

896
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:38.840
about two inches tall. And then
I cut these pieces in about an inch

897
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:44.520
and a half and I stacked them
in this canister and then I poured high

898
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:49.119
carbon powdered steel inside that canister.
And it's got a bottom and the top.

899
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:53.479
I welded it up tight, and
then I put it in the forge

900
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:58.640
and then you forge that canister to
welding temperature twenty two hundred plus degrees.

901
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.880
And then I pull it out out
and then I start forging it start hammering,

902
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:06.600
and I hammered it into a billet. I hammered six billets again,

903
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:13.199
took you know, several several days, and uh, yeah, these just

904
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.199
came out. These are phenomenal.
But all this steel in here is World

905
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:21.920
Trades. The darker steel is lower
carbon steel. So that's many gun barrels

906
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:26.479
and then World Trades and are steel. And that's why the pattern has it

907
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.159
has more of like a horizontal look
to it. Yeah, And that's how

908
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.760
I It's how I hammered, it's
how when I took it out, we

909
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.920
stretched it and then and I had
to get it at least because these are

910
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:41.840
full tang knives. I mean you
can see the pattern all the way through,

911
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.880
and that it had to be two
inches wide. So you know,

912
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.279
a lot of care had to be
taken into getting that steel right with the

913
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:55.680
right link, because if it's too
short and you're screwed and you just I

914
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.800
couldn't get the blade that I needed
to get. That's a beautiful design.

915
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:03.199
Yeah, the yeah, and again
I went and when I started making daggers,

916
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:08.039
so I went in research and I
looked at the LSS daggers, and

917
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:13.520
I went and looked at the fairbarns, and the only thing for me is

918
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.880
a point of index. So the
original daggers had a completely round handle on.

919
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.119
Yeah, well how do you index
that night? It's like a nineteen

920
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:25.760
eleven, right, So I said, I'm gonna go with a coffin handle

921
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:30.119
or a flat handled dagger, so
at night, whatever the case, you

922
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.960
know, I can index at knife
as I'm sneaking up on that sentry.

923
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:40.239
And so that's why I chose that
the length is in my again in my

924
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:45.880
medical research, so it's five and
a half inches to the aorda in the

925
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:51.800
center part of our body in a
frontal attack. So I made. I

926
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:59.439
included outer wear, and so I
made the blade seven inches to ensure that

927
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.800
if I do you going and I
know man that people are like, you

928
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.800
know, you're thinking too much about
it. I was like, no,

929
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:12.000
man, that's what That's how my
brain works, you know. I want

930
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.239
to get that. I want to
get that order. Right. It's designed

931
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:19.000
to be practicality right, yes,
yeah, it's a fighting knife. Yeah.

932
01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:24.000
And the other the US like sknife. I don't it didn't have a

933
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:28.039
cross guard either. It just wasn't
it just uh, I'm trying to remember

934
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.680
now. No they did, okay, they of the Pentagon by the uh

935
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.199
yeah, sock put that a long
time ago. It was a half tang

936
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:40.560
knife with the yeah, I mean
the great knife, great blades. And

937
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:45.239
but this is this is my knife
and this is my my art, my

938
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.880
style, my but yeah, they
people tell you your think things, man,

939
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:55.479
stop thinking about this stuff. Yeah. And and now you know these

940
01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:00.159
are these are the knives that you've
done with World Trade Center steel and and

941
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:05.039
Mini Gun steel. You also for
people who may not be high end collectors

942
01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:12.920
or investors, you also do you
know beautiful knives that are things that are

943
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:16.159
not of such rare material. No, no, no, the major steel

944
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:20.880
I use eighty c RB two.
It's a it's a very good knife steal.

945
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:26.279
It's it's you know, eighty percent
carbon and then it has chromium in

946
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:30.840
it so that you know, that
adds to the hardness of the steel.

947
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:35.319
That eight the edge retention of that
steel for a high carbon steel. Now

948
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:40.960
I've learned, and you know,
just looking at other knife makers and just

949
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:45.079
I mean, I look and look
at it because I learn everything. And

950
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:49.520
actually the funny story when I when
I drew up the fighter, so I

951
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:53.720
want to call it the Bob Well, it looks a whole lot like the

952
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:58.520
Horgan Fighter. Yeah, and you
know Bob developed that knife and when he

953
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.199
was in the unit, and every
op freighter in the unit carries the Horegan

954
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:05.880
Fighter. So I was like,
man, I didn't know about you know,

955
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:10.960
copyright or if I can you know, can I even do this?

956
01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:13.880
So I call John, I say, hey, John, I've I've drawn

957
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:17.239
a knife and I love you.
I love your brother. And it looks

958
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:21.399
a whole lot like the Horegan Fighter. I said, is it okay if

959
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:27.399
I use this design? He goes, Man, you're stupid, I said,

960
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:32.000
okay, okay, ranger Horegan.
He goes, no, there,

961
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:36.960
there's no Yeah, everybody copies.
Everybody in the sentis And he said,

962
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.359
thank you for asking. He said, you're the first guy's ever asked if

963
01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.840
they could copy this. I said, oh, okay, So I made

964
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.479
a few little changes, but again
it's to honor Bob and all the guys

965
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:51.119
that, yeah, you know,
we work with and have gone before us,

966
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:56.560
and we'll come you know, for
the future. So yeah, but

967
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:02.960
that that's yeah, that's kind of
how I operate and how I think and

968
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:10.960
and yeah, so it's yes.
And then there's the Mini Bob. That's

969
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:15.520
the e d C, the every
day carry, the small one total total

970
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.720
length, and yeah, it's it's
the Mini Bob. Yeah, I got

971
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:27.800
the gravy gutter. So that's my
skin and knife, yes, yes,

972
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.600
sir, Yeah, and they and
they range the Mini Bob's two twenty five

973
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:38.520
up to But I'm slowly transitioning into
into stainless steel. So you know why

974
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:43.880
stainless Well, gosh, it's faster
to make, it's easier, the heat

975
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:48.920
treat process is a lot better,
and it doesn't rust. So you know

976
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:54.880
a lot of mine eyes go to
guys that you know, military, police

977
01:16:54.920 --> 01:17:00.920
officers in austere environments. And you
know from what I here back from industry

978
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:04.399
is like, hey man, these
knives rust or I gotta keep sharpening or

979
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:10.640
well, stainless doesn't. So yeah, I chose ae b L. That

980
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:15.520
stainless steel was invented in like nineteen
fifty four. It's an old, old

981
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:19.680
stainless steel is originally used for razor
blades, Yes, a e b L.

982
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:26.960
And so now I'm transitioning into stainless
knives. So, but the rock

983
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:30.840
Well hardness is that's the that's what
they used to measure the hardness of steel.

984
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:39.279
So my recipe for my hardening technique
is about fifty seven to fifty eight

985
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:44.600
rock well for my eighty c RV
or high carbon steel knives, and then

986
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.439
stainless are sixty two rock well.
So they're very hard and they keep a

987
01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:55.359
good, good edge. And I'm
told that my knives are extremely sharp and

988
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:59.239
some of the sharpest knives they've read. And I put a band aid in

989
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:02.840
every bock and I've had probably four
or five pictures sent to me. It's

990
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.079
like, hey, may your knife
sharp. I was like, dude,

991
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.960
no, I told you it's sharp. Yeah, Uh, do you want

992
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:15.680
to show people these prototypes you're working
on. So this is my newest hobby.

993
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:23.359
So, uh, mister Jim Poor
Flatland Forge. He he called me

994
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.920
one day and and I've been working
with Jim because he's close. He's an

995
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.399
hour and a half away. So
he said, hey, I want to

996
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.399
I want to take a guy like
you it doesn't have a machine shop,

997
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:40.279
that doesn't have a mill, you
know, all these high end toolings to

998
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:45.199
make a slip joint pocket knife.
I said, oh okay, So I

999
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:50.479
go out there, spend the weekend
and a couple of weeks prior. I

1000
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:54.960
want to learn how to make feather
damascus. So it's another it's a very

1001
01:18:55.000 --> 01:19:02.239
popular Damascus steel for folding people that
may folding knives, and Jim Poor feather

1002
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:08.319
damascus is very very well known.
I mean all the top pocket knife guys

1003
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:14.000
or they buy the steel that he
makes, the Damascus steel. So this

1004
01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:18.199
is the very first one. It's
it's literally two pieces of steel, so

1005
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.079
it's a blade and I don't know
if you can see that, but this

1006
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:28.800
is the feather Damascus that I learned
to make. And then there's this piece

1007
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:33.840
here and then I use G ten
handles, so there's four pieces to this

1008
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:39.079
knife, not including the pins.
So this is the very first one I

1009
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:45.920
made that weekend with Jim, and
they're they're very difficult. Well, they're

1010
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:51.720
very precise because they have to be
hand fit, hand ground and Jim Poor

1011
01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:58.479
has a jig and there's there's other
fellows slipt joint guys that have made jigs.

1012
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.640
This Jim has his and he gave
me one of his. So I

1013
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:05.600
use this got a dial indicator on
it. And when you're fitting this thing,

1014
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:10.920
you have to you have to be
within six to eight thousands and each

1015
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:15.479
so open and then half close and
then close, so you have to be

1016
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:20.159
six to eight thousands tolerance in each
three of those positions. Wow, I

1017
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:24.279
was gonna say, Greg, that's
like a pretty squared away first sport right

1018
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:30.760
then. Yeah, yeah, but
it's a beautiful. That one's really hard

1019
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:34.920
to open. I've got that is
pretty baller. Yeah. Yeah. This

1020
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:40.600
was the second one. Uh,
this is a cat's claw that I made.

1021
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:46.399
This one was much smoother, and
I was taught by the masters that

1022
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:51.079
make these. And there there's there's
a group in Texas. They're called the

1023
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:59.119
slip Joint Cartel, and they're these
guys are awesome and and they bubble crouch

1024
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:04.079
and that whole crowd, mister Bill. But their Master Master Slip Joint pocket

1025
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:09.159
knife makers. This was the second
one. It's a lot smoother this one.

1026
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:12.520
I forgot to polish the ends on
it. I kind of got excited.

1027
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.960
But this one's a lot smoother.
And uh, but yeah, they're

1028
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.039
very they're very light. And again
there's you know, there's three pins.

1029
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:25.119
There's a pivot pen and these are
steel pins. Everybody carries a pocket knife.

1030
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:30.199
But uh, and then this is
I did a little redesign on this.

1031
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:38.079
I moved this is. These are
eight inch G ten. This is

1032
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:45.239
three sixteenths G ten, So I'm
thinking thicker, a little stronger, not

1033
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:50.319
much difference in weight. But I
moved this pen back point one two five

1034
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:57.239
to try to get a little bit
less stress on this piece right here.

1035
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:01.600
And yeah, I think it's okay. But this one's a little bit a

1036
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.840
little bit easier to open. But
the masters taught me. They said,

1037
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:12.159
your pocket knife it has to be
able to be opened by a lady.

1038
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:17.640
And I was like, oh,
and a couple of guys says I lost

1039
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:28.720
sales because a lady couldn't open the
knife interesting. So yeah, we're we're

1040
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.039
refining this and yeah, but they
will be so yeah, this is this.

1041
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:38.760
I just love making these things.
Yeah, and just again the precision

1042
01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:42.960
to focus on them and it's a
lot of work, Yeah, I can

1043
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.880
see it. But yeah they're cool. They're simple and you know and and

1044
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:50.239
the average you know, new knife
amer can make these because you don't need

1045
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:54.840
a mill, you don't need a
machine shop, need a little grinder and

1046
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:58.399
uh yeah you can make a pocket
knife. Man. Flip joints are cool.

1047
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:06.560
So uh so we had you,
uh make six of these blades.

1048
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:15.359
Yea, Dimitri, why didn't you
tell us about this tree? So?

1049
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:19.239
So? So are are these going
to be team house exclusives that we that

1050
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.319
we sell through the team house?
Is that how we're doing this? Cemetri

1051
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:31.079
with World Trade Center steel and uh
and mini guns steel? Yeah? These

1052
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:34.000
are these are beautiful, Greg,
And I mean when what's it in the

1053
01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:38.439
D talk about it and we'll get
us like, you know, tell us

1054
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:40.720
about all this. I had no
idea what you were going to make or

1055
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:45.479
what it was. No, no, I thought you were charged this No,

1056
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:53.680
no, this is this is beautiful. We want D said you were

1057
01:23:53.720 --> 01:24:00.199
just gonna laser print some stuff out
water things sharp. I honest, the

1058
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:04.239
God never could have like envisioned something
like that. They're they're incredible. Thank

1059
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:11.399
you, thank you. Yeah,
they I'm very very proud of these blades.

1060
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:17.279
They they're just they're they're amazing.
I had great help and that I

1061
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:23.159
had to. Man, I couldn't
have met this T O T without that

1062
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:27.640
help. So but we did it. Plush mind thirty seconds, right,

1063
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:32.079
I mean, Jackie s break up
the check book because I think we should

1064
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:39.399
buy all these like there you go. It's good to have a first customer.

1065
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:44.880
Yeah, probably, yeah, And
these these are just for people just

1066
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:48.560
so you guys know. You know, they they have they have Greg's brain

1067
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:54.079
on them, which is the Crusader
Cross, and then they also have the

1068
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:58.840
Crusader shield and they also have the
American flag and then they are number w

1069
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:05.600
S one through six six Worst Steel, Worst Steal, that's what I named

1070
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.960
it. So it's on stories on
the website, so if they need to,

1071
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:13.520
you know, refresh or go back
look at the other original four.

1072
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.760
Uh, and then these will also
we will work it out because we don't

1073
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:21.119
even we haven't talked about what we're
gonna sell them for but we they will

1074
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:27.560
come with a certificate, right,
they will say that you know everything that

1075
01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:31.199
it is. And obviously these aren't
your E d C knives. These are

1076
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:36.680
these are collectible. These are collectibles. I have so much greed in my

1077
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:41.840
eyes right now. I mean,
well, Greg has some great d C

1078
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:45.279
knives on Blakeser Brothers. Yeah,
if you want an E d C.

1079
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.640
I mean definitely check out the Bob
Minnifighter. It's honestly what one of my

1080
01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:55.960
one of my favorite knives out there. It is an amazing knife. Man.

1081
01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.920
If I were still out there on
patrol, I want these. I'm

1082
01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.800
just saying I would take I would
pack it, I would take it.

1083
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.880
I would never take it out on
because I'd be afraid to get like sand

1084
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:10.600
or scratched or whatever. And you're
not gonna scratch you. The tools they're

1085
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.520
yeah, they're meant to if you
wanted to or needed to, you can

1086
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.159
carry. You can go stab some
Dave. We're gonna pour you a little

1087
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.720
bit of this, all right,
you're gonna like this stuff? Uh this

1088
01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:24.520
is the Japanese. Yeah, yeah, we're you want some of that?

1089
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:28.079
Greg me to please, absolutely,
man. We have a couple of questions

1090
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:32.279
real quick, Grave, this is
the coffee grain whiskey. Nice, very

1091
01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:39.199
very smooth. Good cheers, cheers, so great having you back many,

1092
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:43.680
thank you so much, so Nation
would thank you very much. Thanks Jack

1093
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.039
and Dave for making this pod.
It's inspired me to enlist post college grad.

1094
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:51.159
Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, Uh, Air Force Spectra con has given

1095
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:59.039
the best pitch so far. That's
not unfortunate. Uh. Look, you

1096
01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:03.439
can't go wrong with her for us
best lifestyle. They live the best,

1097
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:08.800
they eat the best. Yeah,
they fly the most technologically advanced there And

1098
01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:13.479
I don't know anything about Special Recon. That's what that's what like it's evolved

1099
01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:15.880
into. Yeah, yeah, but
I will say that CCT and Pair Rescue

1100
01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:21.319
they used to have the best training
typelines you could get like you everybody would

1101
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:26.680
be jealous of their training pipeline.
So I I like, again, I

1102
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.800
don't know anything about special Recon in
terms of what it is now, but

1103
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.439
I know the Air Force back in
the day, Air Force b ops,

1104
01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:36.000
you couldn't go wrong. Yeah,
I mean by far produced you know CCT

1105
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:40.279
guys or pair of guys. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would

1106
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:44.760
tell him to get serious, but
then don't ranger. Yeah, but you

1107
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:46.640
know if if he if he did
that and then when he gets in and

1108
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.800
he sees how the other side lives, it would be pretty mad at Yeah.

1109
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:55.960
With Air Force ops is you can
go like do all the ranger stuff

1110
01:27:56.199 --> 01:28:00.119
we can without without like without like
sitting on a wooden stool with your balls.

1111
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:04.880
I'll just hitting it with a hammer, flowers on air, putting quarters

1112
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:13.199
in trees. Question for a coke? Oh yeah yeah you did. Yeah,

1113
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:19.439
yeah, yeah, alright, throwing
M and M. Yeah, you're

1114
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:23.600
trying to hit us eat his patrol
cat because he thinks it's a pancake.

1115
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:28.399
Yeah, jeff E, thank you
very much. Thank you for the great

1116
01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:30.079
content on the awesome channel. Well, thank you, Jeff, We appreciate

1117
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:39.199
it. Thank you. Yeah,
so oh somebody, this episode is just

1118
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:43.840
amazing. Thanks for bringing us the
great content and mister Cocher sir so much

1119
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.960
respect. Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, I mean this is a great

1120
01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:48.800
episode about the knives, but it's
also like a great expanded story about your

1121
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:51.840
transition out of military service. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think,

1122
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:58.039
yes, critical key, it's important. Yes, you can be successful

1123
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:02.800
and will yeah yes, yeah,
I don't care what you choose, but

1124
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:09.680
yeah, choose some reach out to
reach out. There's hundreds literally hundreds of

1125
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:15.520
foundations out there that can they can
help you transition and you know, just

1126
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.039
yeah, no, don't ever give
up, never quit, never quit man.

1127
01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:24.159
Yeah. We we've talked about this
before the show that we've all we've

1128
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:28.920
all lost people to suicide and you
know, kind of chasing that dragon and

1129
01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.159
everything. And it is challenging in
our world because you know, all the

1130
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.880
things like in high school when they
tell you about you know, depression and

1131
01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:41.399
people who are you know, who
are at risk of suicide, like all

1132
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:44.600
the signs that you know, they
say goodbye to people or they give all

1133
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:47.239
their stuff away, Like none of
that happens in our community. Like you

1134
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:53.239
will talk to a guy one day
and then the next day there's no indication.

1135
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:58.439
And you know, and you've mentioned
it like finding this purpose and you

1136
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.960
know, like you're bringing vets down
and showing then this stuff like finding a

1137
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:06.399
new purpose, finding a new reason
to be yes. And I think it's

1138
01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:14.800
really important too. It can't be
understated just the neurological effects, the advantages

1139
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:18.359
and benefits that you gained from from
doing this, because especially when we start

1140
01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:27.359
going into blast injuries and TBIs that
that that sort of that neurological or whatever

1141
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:32.560
sort of cascade or deficiency, you
know how it happens that you know the

1142
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.880
brain. It's one of the things
I say about hearing. When you start

1143
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:40.359
losing your hearing, you start losing
your speech, you start losing your thinking

1144
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:44.119
things like that, And it's the
same way with the TBI. Is not

1145
01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.119
not necessarily that exact thing. But
the world gets darker and you don't exactly

1146
01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:51.399
know why, and you don't understand, right, you don't understand physiologically.

1147
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:56.119
Okay, what's going on with me? I know there's something right, but

1148
01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:59.800
okay, I need to reach out
and get some help, right, talk

1149
01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:01.960
to somebody, right, whatever the
case? Right, Yes, but here

1150
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:04.880
you found this hobby. Ye,
So you hadn't even a you know,

1151
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:10.960
you had no it's not like you
wanted to be a writer or a musician

1152
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.520
like you know you. I didn't
want to be a writer, and I

1153
01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:17.399
wrote a book, right, thanks
here for you? Yeah, yeah,

1154
01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:21.880
but you find this hobby that turns
into not just a hobby, but you

1155
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:28.800
know, but a new business and
also a means of therapy for you.

1156
01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:34.680
Yes, absolutely, therapy absolutely helped
my helps my brain helps me in my

1157
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:42.039
everyday life. I'm sleeping now.
That's my wife, and yeah, yeah,

1158
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:47.439
it's it's incredible, it really is. And you know, and I'll

1159
01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:50.439
just talk a little bit about Blade's
for Brothers. So about I don't know.

1160
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:56.039
Five six weeks ago, my wife
comes in on a Wednesday and says,

1161
01:31:56.239 --> 01:32:00.760
we have this big three bay building, big like eighteen foot ceiling.

1162
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.199
She goes, you need to clean
that building out. I was like,

1163
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:10.399
excuse me, everything needs to come
out of it. I said, okay,

1164
01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:15.840
called JJ Jared Johnson. I said, hey, man, I need

1165
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:17.800
some help. He goes, okay, Sarge, I'll be there. So

1166
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:21.760
we spent the whole day we cleaned
the whole thing out. And then the

1167
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:26.279
next morning, Thursday morning, I'm
in my little knife shop. Truck pulls

1168
01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:30.680
up, got seven thirty and I'm
like, who's this guy? I look

1169
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:36.000
sa his spray phone insulation. So
I walk out. Yeah, young kid.

1170
01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:40.399
I was like, what do you
want? He goes, well,

1171
01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:45.920
sir, we're here to spray phone
a building on who's authority? And he's

1172
01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:49.199
like, uh, missus cocher.
I was like okay, So I started

1173
01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:51.439
laughing at you. I was like, okay, come on, mad so

1174
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:59.479
yeah, she had coordinated this to
she got spray phoned and then missus Coker

1175
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.840
can get some sleep at night.
And then she had one of the new

1176
01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:11.520
knife makers matchup was a combat engineer. So she pulls him in and says,

1177
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:15.000
I need this. This this framed, and this is my vision.

1178
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:23.119
And so we have a new shop
while being built, and we got a

1179
01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:27.560
few of the walls up. Uh, it's going to be an amazing place.

1180
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:30.800
We have a bunk house. She
planned a bunk house upstairs for vets,

1181
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:35.239
so when they come they have place
to stay, a safe place they

1182
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:41.479
can sleep. And you know,
we can we can work on knives or

1183
01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:45.359
whatever they want to do. We
have a huge hog problem in Cram,

1184
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.159
Texas, and we have peters,
So come make some knives. We'll go

1185
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:51.479
shoot pigs that night, you know, so if you want a deer hunt,

1186
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:59.119
whatever the case. But but Electrical
is about halfway through and we're out

1187
01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:02.960
of money. I made some knives
and so we can raise some money and

1188
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:09.439
we'll also help some other nonprofits.
What for whatever we raised with these blades,

1189
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:13.960
And I just I love helping my
brothers and sisters and their families,

1190
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:19.159
Ghost Stars and all those folks.
So yeah, but we're excited that the

1191
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:25.760
shop is gonna be absolutely phenomenal when
it's finished, and it'll be a cool

1192
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.800
place. And I want you guys
to come even Dmitri and I'll show you

1193
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:32.359
guys how to make a blade.
Dimitry didn't tell you what you need,

1194
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:34.840
what we wanted you have in your
shop. Daddy, he didn't like set

1195
01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:40.319
up the architecture. Know you end
up with end up with a jacuzzi.

1196
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.560
No, we do have a pool, so you out. Yeah, we

1197
01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:46.479
definitely to come down. That's a
nice area too. Yeah, where it

1198
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:51.399
really is it is Scott's Country.
Yeah. We have a question on Patreon.

1199
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:57.840
Sure can you give one or two
tips for helicopter student pilots? Pilots

1200
01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:03.239
stay beautiful, Dave and Jack get
shave hit me up. No, not

1201
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:11.399
you Jack, I think, Oh
for for helicopter pilots. So is he

1202
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.640
is he doing? Is you know? Where is he in his training?

1203
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:24.880
Two tips for helicopter Okay? So
as a student, yeah, continue continue

1204
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:30.279
through. I recommend and I tell
this to all the young folks that want

1205
01:35:30.319 --> 01:35:35.960
to fly. He loves do It's
much cheaper to do it and fixed wing

1206
01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:42.119
and do it. Then do your
rotary wing transition. So go to fix

1207
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.119
wing, get your privates, get
your commercial, get your instrument, then

1208
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:49.880
transition to rotary wing. Because it's
so expensive to run helicopters. It is

1209
01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:56.439
probably four times the amount to run
rotary wing. So that that that's one

1210
01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:59.760
of the things I do. But
yeah, go make sure you get your

1211
01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:05.319
instrument rating. If they if they
if they're looking to go into the military,

1212
01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:13.000
then yeah, that's that's that's gonna
be a huge huge check mark in

1213
01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:17.479
that block when they go apply for
that. I don't Yeah, good question.

1214
01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:24.640
Yeah I get I get a lot
of questions from young folks that either

1215
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:29.760
want to they're either started out in
aviation and want to transition to the military,

1216
01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:33.159
or you know, they want to
go into the army because the Army

1217
01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:39.359
is they're the only service that offers
in high school to flight school. I

1218
01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:44.640
mean you can literally go from high
school to I think it's Fort Novsel now

1219
01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:47.159
it used to be Fort Rutger.
And we had two guys in my flight

1220
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:53.359
school class are eighteen years old.
I'm not kidding, and you know,

1221
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:56.840
here we are a bunch of older
dudes. And once we got to where

1222
01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.760
we could go off base of the
week. Kid, they'd be riding skateboards

1223
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.640
because they're only eighteen, they can
drink beer, and we'd be like,

1224
01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:11.600
see you guys later, you know. Yeah this mister, do you want

1225
01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:17.520
ice? No, I'm good,
I'm so So these high end knives we

1226
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.560
need to we need to find you. We need to find some collectors for

1227
01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:26.119
for like the really high end ones. I think they would be honored to

1228
01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:30.920
own history or anybody. Yeah,
I mean there's no more of the steel

1229
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:34.239
left on the planet. Yeah,
and there never will be. Yeah,

1230
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:40.840
yeah, I just yeah, I
pray that. Yeah, somebody would,

1231
01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:45.880
you know, be honored to own
one of these pieces. And trust me,

1232
01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:49.199
if if I had the money,
I would, I would. I

1233
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:55.079
would buy it a heartbeat. I
would buy an heartbeat. It's you know,

1234
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.680
the people are out there. You
know that the people are out there.

1235
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:04.640
Maybe you know sixty thousand of our
or thirty thousand of our viewers can

1236
01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:10.399
play two bucks each and like share
it. Sure you know, su Yeah,

1237
01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:14.039
we'll figure it out. Yeah,
it'll right person, right place,

1238
01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:19.159
right time. Yeah, good lord
will and yes they will. Yeah they'll

1239
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:24.479
have new owners. Yeah yeah they
will absolutely, yes, yes sir.

1240
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:30.800
Yeah, So so everybody make sure
you check out Gregg's episode to hear like

1241
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:35.319
all about his time in the one
sixtieth about his you know, getting shot

1242
01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:45.399
down. Yeah, I have actually
I have all those clipped on clips on

1243
01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:49.239
its check. Yeah. So Greg's
episode is episode seventy four. Plus you

1244
01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:54.680
can look for the clips the shorts. Check out Gregg's book, buy it,

1245
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:59.199
download it. Death Weights in the
Dark six Guns Don't Miss. You

1246
01:38:59.239 --> 01:39:04.640
can get that on h on Amazon, and check out Blades for Brothers dot

1247
01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:10.800
com. Yes for uh, look, if you want some amazing yeah,

1248
01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:14.159
all the stuff is down in the
links below. But if you want amazing

1249
01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:17.399
knives, you know, like check
out great stuff. You'll love it.

1250
01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:23.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout
out to to Arizona Knives. Brian,

1251
01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:30.279
I've had these the originals. They
were kind of scattered about trying to raise

1252
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:33.399
money and get auction off. And
I called him another day. I was

1253
01:39:33.439 --> 01:39:35.479
like, hey, man, I
need these blades back. I need to

1254
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.399
take them to New York. He's
boom punched on it. But yeah,

1255
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:45.800
thanks thanks Brian. You guys,
so, yeah, we'll get there.

1256
01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:48.920
Is there any place else anything else
you're working on? Anyplace else anybody can

1257
01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:55.479
find you that you want to point
out oh I think, yeah that these

1258
01:39:55.600 --> 01:40:00.039
pocket knives have just got me sucked
in. And h I've got a new

1259
01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:08.199
Tomahawk design. So I'm all that
a couple of guys and they're like,

1260
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:12.520
oh, okay, it's no Yeah, there's nothing out there like it.

1261
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:17.319
So I learned a few things when
I was deployed. Yeah, I'm just

1262
01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:21.640
saying, not saying, but yeah, yeah, I think it'll be cool.

1263
01:40:23.199 --> 01:40:28.159
It'll probably come this winter. Yeah
again, I got I've got a

1264
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:33.479
manufacturer that's Greg Medford has said he
would help me with these. And uh,

1265
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:39.359
yeah, I look forward to doing
a Teamhouse knife or blade, you

1266
01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:42.960
know whatever. Hey, maybe ask
you know, ask our viewers what what

1267
01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:45.399
would you like? What would you
like to see? Yeah, So if

1268
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:49.439
we're going to do a limited edition
or even maybe not even a limited edition,

1269
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:53.399
but but maybe an E D C
for the Teamhouse, let us know

1270
01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:58.960
down in the comments. Ye kind
of blazer guy. So, and this

1271
01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:03.600
Friday, we will have William Yeski
on the show eighty second Airborne. Uh

1272
01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:06.880
yeah, you wrote a book that
I can't recall the title of off the

1273
01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:12.760
top of my good call there d
yeah, good D. So we will

1274
01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:15.960
have him here on Friday to discuss
his book and his military careers. We're

1275
01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:20.560
excited about that. And uh oh
and check out our Patreon the links down

1276
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:25.239
the description if you want to get
access to these episodes ad free. Uh

1277
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:30.399
and that's that's really it. Unlet's
Greg and and bonus episodes where you get

1278
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:33.359
to hear Jack and I just shoot
the ship. You have, you have

1279
01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:46.159
Titi spill. I have a lot
to go on here first. And so

1280
01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:57.560
I can't say smart. I can
say he is so incredibly smart. You

1281
01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:00.600
can say he's fucking smart on our
channel. We're eighteen and over. Yeah,

1282
01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:08.000
yeah, you can't. You can't
have a military channel where you drink

1283
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:13.640
on live stream and not curse.
Yeah, he's a wonderful, wonderful and

1284
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:20.640
he's incredibly challenged and his community.
Thank you. If you guys can't hear

1285
01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:27.199
that gravy testament from his wife,
which is really the toughest testament you can

1286
01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.960
get, honestly, that he's a
wonderful, wonderful man, dedicated to the

1287
01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.319
community and just so fucking smart.
And we agree with all that. Yeah,

1288
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:41.600
so solid endorsement. Deal. Yeah, and I'll close with you know,

1289
01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:46.039
the knife making, So every penny
spent on a knife goes back into

1290
01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:49.680
blades for brothers, and it's five
O, one C three. I have

1291
01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:56.039
not spent one penny one dime.
Everything goes back into the shop, or

1292
01:42:56.079 --> 01:43:01.319
it goes into steal or materials to
bring bets in and grinders, you know,

1293
01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:05.680
whatever I can do to help help
these guys and gals and family members

1294
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:10.840
that you don't want to do this
or or heck, yeah, man,

1295
01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:18.960
it's I don't need any money,
guys and gals, but yet there we're

1296
01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:23.159
working on it. We'll work on
it. I appreciate so much that you

1297
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:29.600
say, guys, yeah, well
it may be a gold star mom and

1298
01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:34.239
y a sister whos sister? Yeah? I just I just had a conversation

1299
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:40.840
with Russ Ripto, his sister.
She reached out to me through social media,

1300
01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.520
and I had known Russ for years. He was the f s O

1301
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.399
for three seven fives and got killed
at Headeth the Dance. Yes, yeah,

1302
01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:53.079
yeah, and yeah Russ and oh
I had a wonderful conversation with her

1303
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:56.000
for an hour and a half.
The I met his father years ago,

1304
01:43:56.359 --> 01:44:00.079
Yes, Colonel Ripto, Yes,
sir, Yeah, super nice Scotty,

1305
01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:04.439
Like you never meet a bigger advocate
of the Rangers than you, Colonel,

1306
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:10.199
Yes, sure, yeah, yeah, that was just it was heartwarming.

1307
01:44:10.319 --> 01:44:14.880
And yeah, I was honored that
I could. She just want to know

1308
01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:18.039
about Russ. That's cool, Yes, and I and I Yeah, I

1309
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:23.479
get people reach out to me all
the time, and I'm honored to do

1310
01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:29.960
that. Yeah, I told her, come now make a knife. Well,

1311
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:32.560
Greg, thank you again for you
know, you and your wife making

1312
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:36.399
it all the way up here to
New York and working on these and you

1313
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:40.720
know, we hope that we can
help you with all of this. I

1314
01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:44.520
hope you. Yeah, well we're
excited about it. Yeah, I'm very

1315
01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:47.680
excited. Thank you, Jack,
Thank you, d thank you to thanks

1316
01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:54.640
for the daggers. Yeah and uh
so yeah, more to follow and we

1317
01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:58.399
will see all you guys on Friday. So take care out there. How do you