WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.439 Big Food and be On with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:18.559 so like Shay, subscribe and rate it time Star and me on Righteous 3 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:28.359 Question Today and listening watching him always keep its Clatchy and now your hosts Cliff 4 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.719 Barrickman and James Bobo Fay. Hey, kids, is Cliff Barrickman. And 5 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:38.200 you are now listening to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. Bobo 6 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:42.240 is on vacation. He's actually off the continent right now, so we're going 7 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.719 to leave him out of this. But I know that we all miss him 8 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.359 and everything like that. I know, I do. I can barely sleep 9 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:49.719 at night knowing that Bobo is not going to be on the podcast the next 10 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.960 day. But anyway, we have a great guest and which we'll get too 11 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.359 shortly. Have a few other items to go over real fast here, but 12 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.399 thank you very much for listening. We do appreciate you. We appreciate all 13 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.240 of our listeners. We particularly appreciate our members of course, who are part 14 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.079 of our Patreon. They get an extra forty five minutes or an hour or 15 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.159 so of us every single week. If you're interested in becoming a member, 16 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.120 because you can't get enough of Cliff and Bobo, then feel free to click 17 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:17.000 that link in the show notes below, or you can always go to the 18 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.519 website big Foot Beyond podcast dot com and then follow the links there to the 19 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.840 membership. It's five bucks a month and you know, you get what is 20 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.319 it, three or four hours of extra Cliff and Bobo every single month. 21 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.719 A lot of people seem to enjoy it. We really really do appreciate that 22 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.200 sort of thing. Got some stuff in the mail today. I thought that 23 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.599 was kind of neat if I would just start with that from Scrappy Remnants, 24 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.959 which is a website, and it's like, that's really an Etsy sort of 25 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:46.560 thing more than anything, but a wonderful patches for Bobo and I. Scrappy 26 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.000 Remnants dot com is where you can get these things. It's a bigfoot patch. 27 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:53.799 And of course I got a quick note from Esther who is the owner 28 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.280 of this. So anyway, thank you Esther and Scrappy Remnants and all you 29 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.280 folks over there. We really appreciate it. Feel free to bestow us with 30 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:06.760 gifts, shower us with your love. You can always send it to I 31 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.800 guess you can probably send it to my PO box We'll get it that way. 32 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:15.800 Po Box twenty twelve, Sandy Organ nineteen seven zero two two. Other 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.879 than that, I just got back from Ohio. I was down in Logan, 34 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:24.560 Ohio for the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival. This is the second year that 35 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:30.520 this gig has been going on. Last year eleven thousand people showed up to 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.840 it, so and this year was even bigger. I haven't gotten the official 37 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.520 numbers, but I don't know a few million were there. It felt like 38 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.039 it's probably not that high, but that's what it felt like to me. 39 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.599 At least it was a larger venue. I think they closed down another block 40 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.400 or two this time. Logan's a tiny town and Bigfoot Bigfoot weirdos took over 41 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:52.360 the whole thing. It was great. I was awash in a sea of 42 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.120 Bigfoot aficionados for the entire weekend. It was a Friday and Saturday event. 43 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.039 The organizers did a great job. I mean b Mills is the brains of 44 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.199 the operation, but there are a lot of other people helping behind the scenes. 45 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.000 Suzanne and Jorge, I mean, just so many people might so many 46 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:12.000 people were there helping out. Great speakers were there, great times, great 47 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.159 friends, The Hawking Hills Bigfood Festival was fantastic. I recommend everybody go if 48 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:19.039 they do it again next year. So anyway, let's go to our guests. 49 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.400 Because I've been actually trying to get this guy on the show for quite 50 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.080 a while. I started running across this guy last year at some point. 51 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.080 I don't think we've known each other very long, but we kind of hit 52 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.000 it off. We're good friends at this point. I did a conference that 53 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:37.159 he organized his past this past spring or summer or something earlier in the year 54 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:42.080 anyway, and he has a lifetime worth of adventure to share. You know, 55 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:46.159 he's a film producer, he's an adventurer in general, he's an organize, 56 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.000 he's he's a lot of different things, but more than anything, he 57 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.080 is Stephen Majors. So, Stephen, thank you so much for coming on 58 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.080 the podcast. And I'm so happy we can finally get you on. And 59 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.719 I'm sorry for Bobo's absence. Not a problem, man, I'm just grateful 60 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.439 to be on the show. And and thank you for that wonderful intro. 61 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.599 Man, that's the best I ever got. You covered the best. Oh 62 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:05.759 Man, you need to do more podcasts, because I thought it was pretty 63 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:12.360 mediocre. You know well anyway, So, yeah, you've had basically a 64 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:17.160 lifetime of kind of circling around the Bigfoot, the Bigfoot subject in some way 65 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.480 or another. And I know that it started up in coastal British Columbia back 66 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.480 in the day. How did Bigfoot get on your radar? What you said 67 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.639 they were was really good? I had, I really had. I had 68 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.959 a very interesting father, and I had a very interesting childhood because he was 69 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:40.480 a really adventurous guy too, and he kind of that kind of emulated in 70 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.800 me and some of my siblings as well. But one of the fortunate things 71 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.680 that relate to Bigfoot here is in I was born in the Kellog, Idaho, 72 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.959 so northern Idaho. That's where I raised until nineteen seventy six. And 73 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:59.399 my father comes home and he says, Hey, here's a deal. We're 74 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.720 moving to this wonderful, beautiful place. It's heaven on Earth. It's called 75 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.879 Jennie Bay. It's located on the northern coast of BC, out in the 76 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:14.120 bush across from Port Hardy, where he had actually lived and worked at logging 77 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.959 camps in various places in the nineteen forties and fifties. And we're like, 78 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.199 oh, wow, you know, and he's a really beautiful sketch artist, 79 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.959 and he would sketch all these photos about this is what it looks like and 80 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.079 blah blah, blah blah. You know what, I'm like, twelve or 81 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.160 ten or whatever, you know what I'm saying. And so anyways, subsequently 82 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.000 he moved us. School got out, he packed us up, and we 83 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:39.000 all moved to this little place called Jennie Bay out there on the coast. 84 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.519 And it was a real adventure because, you know, here we are and 85 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.160 we're young, and we drive to Seattle and then we get on a float 86 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.319 plane and then we fly for three and a half hours, just you know, 87 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.079 up the coast, and we finally we land in this in this little 88 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.519 bay. I always remember the day we came in there. It was gray 89 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:00.000 and overcast and you know, just kind of typical BC weather, I guess. 90 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.920 And we land in the land in this little little bay called Jennie Bay. 91 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:08.680 And what was there was an abandoned logging camp that was closed down in 92 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.759 the fifties and it was like a town. There were twenty seven buildings there, 93 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.120 homes and jobs and blah blah blah that had been completely abandoned and left 94 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.160 to itself for all those years. He moved us up there, and one 95 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:25.480 of the things that we we came to know about it after we had been 96 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.959 there for a little bit is my dad had actually grown up with a chief 97 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.319 of the Indian village that was down there in Hopetown village was just down the 98 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.879 inlet from us, and so he was good friends with them, and when 99 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.600 we had moved there, we had some associations with them, and the rules 100 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.160 were kind of set down. It was like a welcome thing, you know, 101 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.839 welcome, you know, children of Jerry Major blah blah, that kind 102 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.959 of thing to the area and nice to me. Now here are some ground 103 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.000 rules for living in the area. One of the ground rules was we were 104 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.600 free to travel anywhere that we wanted to around the lakes and the inlet. 105 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:08.279 How however, there was a specific area that is just northwest of the end 106 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.160 of the Hopetown village and it was like, you can go anywhere, but 107 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.519 see those mountains up there. You do not go up there. That is 108 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.680 a sake. That's those are sacred grounds. You stay out of there. 109 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.399 Don't go out there because if you do, you're going to run into trouble 110 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:26.399 because there is a guardian. The guardian will get you and and it turned 111 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.000 out the guardian was doing a quar sasquatch and so you stay out all those 112 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.160 areas and welcome to well, you know, welcome to BC and have a 113 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.920 good time. And that was about it. But that was my first introduction 114 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.480 with sasquats. And we learned more about it, but it really didn't stick 115 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.600 with me, you know what I'm saying. We're like, oh, that's 116 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.759 kind of cool and stuff and and but it really didn't bother us all that 117 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.800 much. However, that was in nineteen seventy six, and so every now 118 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.480 and then you would you would hear a few things, but we didn't take 119 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.360 it serious. And I was like, Dad, well is there a sasquatch 120 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.399 around here? Yeah? There is, but here you know, they won't 121 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.160 mess with you. You don't mess with them. Don't worry about that. 122 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:05.839 And we went about our business. And then in nineteen fast forward three years, 123 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.319 so it's nineteen seventy nine, so I'm about fifteen years old, and 124 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.720 beyond Gennis Bay there's a lake. It's called Who Asked Lake, and it's 125 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.240 about thirteen miles long, and we were up working on the lake. There 126 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.519 we'd do log salvage on the lake. And one afternoon my dad pulls into 127 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.279 this little bay and we're gonna have some lunch. He gets off the boat 128 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:30.639 and a few moments later he comes running back all excited at everything. It's 129 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:31.480 like, you gotta come over here. Look what we found. You know, 130 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.240 look what I found. Look what I found. So me and the 131 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.679 other guy we get off the boat and we walk along the beach there and 132 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.320 there's a little sandy area where a stream had come down, kind of like 133 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.159 a draft, had a stream running down through it, and a little sandy 134 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.360 beach area. And we're like, he goes, comm here, comm here, 135 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.120 you gotta look at this. We get over there and he goes, 136 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.320 he points down, he goes, look at that, and I'm like what. 137 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.879 He goes, big foot. And what was in the little sandy area 138 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.360 There was, you know, some huge footprint. You could see where this 139 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.399 thing had come down the hill. It had walked around on the sandy beach 140 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.159 area, and then it turned around and gone back up the side of the 141 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.440 straw. And I'm like, holy crap, and we're like, look at 142 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.360 them. He goes, I told you a big foot. And I remember 143 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.720 we measure the tracks. They were like sixteen or eighteen inches, but they 144 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:24.200 were flipping huge, and it's like that. It started to become real for 145 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.039 me at that point. And then he said, well, let's follow him. 146 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.960 And so what we did is we followed him up the drawing. You 147 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.320 could see where the thing was came down, and then when it went back 148 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.039 up the draw which was on the edge of this little stream that came through 149 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.480 there, and we're following up the hill and it's going boom boom boom, 150 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.440 and here are these huge, big tracks. And then about I don't know, 151 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.840 maybe seventy five yards up the hill, it plateaued for a little bit 152 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.440 and then there was a little little pool where the stream had come down and 153 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.799 it was hit boolled there. And when you got up to that little plateau 154 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:01.279 and you could see where it stopped and it hit gotten down. We believe 155 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.159 it got down on its knees, and there was two huge handprints like it 156 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.879 had gotten down, you know, on its knees, and put one hand 157 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.600 down here, one down here, and we presume it got a drink of 158 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.240 water. And it was like, holy smoked man that the hands were absolutely 159 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.159 just huge. And then it kind of got up, or well, we're 160 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.720 assuming he got up. And then we followed the tracks farther up the side 161 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.960 of the hill, probably about another seventy five hundred yards, and they stopped 162 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.320 at a rock cliff. We lost them. One of the things that was 163 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.559 significant about this when we're going up the hill, when we're walking up that 164 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:41.600 draw, about every so often there would be about six or seven feet up 165 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.679 on an alder tree, these green alder trees. They were broken over, 166 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.159 twisted and broken over all to the left, all to the same side as 167 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.919 you're going up the hill, probably about you know, every twenty five thirty 168 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:58.080 feet, And I'm like, what does My daddy said, the tracks and 169 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.799 all this stuff is crazy, but what is that all about? You could 170 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.679 see a line of them going up the hill, and he said, that's 171 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.519 how a sasqu watch marks it's territory. And they're all going the same direction. 172 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.399 I wonder what that what that's? Yeah, going the same direction like 173 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.399 a line, like a picket line going up the hill. Okay, I 174 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.200 said, thinking, if they're all to the left, I wonder if that 175 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.720 shines some sort of light on left handedness or right handedness of the of these 176 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.279 animals. Because studies have been done on other other apes species about that same 177 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.840 thing. Yeah, and I always regret to you know, this was in 178 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.360 nineteen seventy nine, so we didn't have cell phones, you know, we 179 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.120 didn't have a movie camera with us. It was just something that we stumbled 180 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.240 across, you know, stumbled across on that. But man, if you 181 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.399 know, I regret to the you know, it's one of those things where 182 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.960 if I would have had some plasteric, you know, even thought of these 183 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.759 things like plaster casting, you know all of that. I mean, you 184 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.440 had a perfect storm. Yet we had hand prints, we had knee prints, 185 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.080 we had you know, footprints, and we had this you know, 186 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.639 this perfect line of tree brakes going all the way up this hill. Yeah, 187 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.879 that's fan plastic. A fine like that today would would just spread like 188 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.639 wildfire through the Bigfoot community. That's something as important as that. Yeah, 189 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.840 it dude, it was. And that made Bigfoot reel for me. And 190 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.879 after that, I was nervous the whole time that I was up there, 191 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.399 you know. But what was significant about that as well is where we were, 192 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:22.559 where we were at on that lake was very close to the area where 193 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.759 they said don't go and did you put two and two together at that time 194 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.639 or is that just ye okay? No, I did, I dude, 195 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.240 I did, because we were going and I was like, oh my god, 196 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.159 and I realized where we were, and then I became more conscious of 197 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:46.759 this is real, Sasquatch is here. And there was something else that happened 198 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:52.159 the following year, the following summer that even made things more true to me. 199 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.519 The following summer, down on that east end of the lake, there 200 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.960 was a logging crew and they would blog. They were logging this big area 201 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.480 we are camp are blogging place was on the left end. They were all 202 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.799 the way down on the east end. Well they were, they were. 203 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.159 Their camp was actually even closer to the area where you're not supposed to go. 204 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:16.120 But they weren't logging in that area. They were logging an area that 205 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.000 was just to the south of it, but they were very very close to 206 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.159 it. They had to log in camp there and they had about eighteen twenty 207 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.039 people and stuff and they were working and we would have some interactions with them. 208 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.879 Well, there was a guy that was working at that camp that my 209 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:33.080 dad had known since you know, since they are youth, you know, 210 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.840 since he was a teenager. Up there on the coast, and he was 211 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.840 kind of an interesting guy and whatnot. But for some reason, and we 212 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:46.480 don't know why, maybe just to be opportunistic or something like that. There 213 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.840 was I guess during the time as well, there was a big market for 214 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:54.080 like first nations, you know, artifacts like old trinkets or old jewels or 215 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.480 things of that nature or something like that, as I recall something like that. 216 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:05.000 But for some reason he felt motivated to actually trespass on that ground that 217 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.360 you were supposed to stay away from in search of some trinkets or something that 218 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.919 may have value. So we're back at Janice Bay and we're back and it's 219 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.799 like, I don't know, it's like one thirty, twelve thirty or whatever. 220 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:18.960 And back in the day, you didn't have telephones up there. We're 221 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.679 on the middle of over. You got radio phones. That's what you got. 222 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.200 You got radio phones. And it's you know, it's like I'm sleeping 223 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:30.039 and everybody's in bed, and all of a sudden, the radio phone starts 224 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:31.759 crackling and you hear, you know, calling out five m O seven eight 225 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.480 five seven eight, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, are you there? Pick 226 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.960 up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up and this 227 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.159 frantic guy, this guy is just absolutely frantic on the radio phone. He 228 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.600 said, Jerry, pick up up. You know, you know when you 229 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.879 always have your radios on in cases an emergency, right, So it's like, 230 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:48.679 oh, man, get you know, I gotta get up, and 231 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.639 what's going on? What's going on? And my dad gets on the radio 232 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.120 phone and he goes, he goes, yeah, it's just what's what's going 233 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.080 on? Is that use Jerry, Jerry, you gotta come and get us. 234 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.240 You gotta come, help us, help us, you gotta come get 235 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:01.600 us. He's like, well, what's going on. He goes, you 236 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:03.519 gotta get up to the camp. You got to get us right away. 237 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.320 And you can hear his wife in the background, the guy that's on the 238 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.559 radio phone. You can hear his wife in the background screaming, and she 239 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.159 goes, is he looking in the window? It's at the window. It's 240 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.360 at the window. And they're just as absolute terror. He goes, you 241 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.360 gotta come and get us. So my Dad's like, well, hold on, 242 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.039 man, I'll get there. So here it is mid of night and 243 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.159 my dad's got to get up. He gets in the truck. He's got 244 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.120 to drive five miles up this dirt road. He's got to get in his 245 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.200 boat and he has to go another ten miles down the lake to get him, 246 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.039 and my dad most fearless man I ever known, he did it. 247 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.559 I mean he did it. And he goes down to goes down there. 248 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.559 In the middle of night, he gets him, and about I don't know, 249 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.639 it's probably about three or four hours later, just before light. He 250 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.879 comes back to the house and he has up there and I'm just watching these 251 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:50.320 people and there's all this commotion. They're just crazy and they're screaming, and 252 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.519 she goes, it was gonna get us, what's gonna get us? Blah 253 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.000 blah blah blah, and he's like he sits him down, and he goes, 254 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.320 I told you not to go there. You just you went there, 255 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.639 didn't you. And he goes, yeah, yeah, I did. I 256 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.559 had to go there. And he goes, what did you take? What 257 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.960 did you take? He goes, I just got a few things. I 258 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.399 just got a few things. And he says, give me everything that you 259 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.720 have, and he gave the stuff to my dad and my dad said I'll 260 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.879 be back later. And he left him there and he went all the way 261 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.840 back up there and he put the stuff back. But when things calmed down, 262 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.240 and what had happened is he had tresped. He went up into the 263 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:32.559 area where he wasn't supposed to go. He absconded with some trinkets and whatever 264 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.159 you know that were left in the bar, you know, in the burial 265 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.440 stuff up there. I did a little grain robbing and then yeah, he 266 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.480 did. But man, and what happened is he got back to the float 267 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:48.960 camp and the crew had gone in to town and they would do that on 268 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.039 the weekends. They had gone to town, so it was just him and 269 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.399 his wife once they got back. He got back, she can't go with 270 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.279 him. He got back and as soon as they started to get dark, 271 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:02.080 they started here and he's hopped his howling, just whaling right, and it 272 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.079 kept getting closer and closer and never get a little bit spook. And then 273 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:11.440 it got it came down and then they heard pounding and thumping. It got 274 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.119 on the float houses, you know, float houses. They didn't live on 275 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.839 land. You have the float house, you know, you make a platform, 276 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.920 you build a house on right flow camps. And it got on there 277 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.359 and it was haullern and beaten on the side of the cabin and it was 278 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.519 just terrorizing the whole yell out of them. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and 279 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:41.599 Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did 280 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.960 you ever go to this area where you're not supposed to go? No? 281 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.359 No, because because you're you're a young man, I mean, and that's 282 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.400 that's if. I mean, I'd probably do it now, But as a 283 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:53.559 young man, I would certainly go wherever I wasn't supposed to go. I 284 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.759 didn't because you know, I respect my elders, you know what I'm saying. 285 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.920 And it's like, dude, this is their land, it's not mine. 286 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.680 I don't you know when we were kind of taught that kind of stuff. 287 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.240 But you can go there on the water and you can look. I 288 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.000 mean, you know what I'm saying. And I'm going to throw this out 289 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.599 here today and somebody is going to be extremely upset. But I wanted to 290 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.240 get some of this stout here and on the ocean side of this, if 291 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.640 you want to stand and look and face up at the area where all of 292 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.359 this where of this accord, it's called Clayton Bay. It's right across you 293 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:33.640 know, Hopetown. Watson Island and Watson Island is where Hopetown, Indian Village 294 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.039 was, and today it's pretty much abandon When I was there, there's like 295 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:37.880 three four hundred people there. Man, it was like, you know, 296 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.400 a huge Indian village, but today there's just a lodge house there. But 297 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:48.559 that area where this occurred, the saltwater side of it, would basically be 298 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.079 what's called Clayton Bay, which is right across the little inlet there, and 299 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.599 you can go there today, and people do go there today. I totally 300 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.200 diet, like you're respecting the areas, staying out of it and all that 301 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.559 sort of stuff, But I would definitely want to look at it or get 302 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.039 close to it to find out what kind of thing is guarding it's But I 303 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:07.839 guess if everybody knew it was a sassquatch, maybe that was enough to keep 304 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:14.599 people away. This area today and is recent is two thousand and eight. 305 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:22.400 There people have had encounters with something when they've been in that bay that's closest 306 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.039 to that mountain area where you're not supposed to go. There is something still 307 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.400 there, and I have to share this story with you real quickly. Fast 308 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.519 forward to two thousand and seventeen. I'm up on Vancouver Island and I'm you 309 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.200 know, and I've been coming up there for half a year, and people 310 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.200 would, you know, people got word that I was on the island and 311 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:42.640 I was doing this and who I was and all yes, during Majors kid 312 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.319 blah blah blah, and he's up here looking for sasquatch. Right, And 313 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:51.279 I kind of made my headquarters at as Campbell River, and so I people 314 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:53.079 would know I was at Campbell River and they would come down and they would, 315 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.839 you know, they would want I was looking for people to tell me 316 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:02.480 about recent encolendaries. You don't gather intelligence are to go. So I'm at 317 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.319 a hotel in Campbell River and this guy comes in and he says, man, 318 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.759 I want to share something with you. And the guy is a was 319 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.599 a He drove water taxi and water tach. You know, you'd either go 320 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.240 up there. There's no roads, you get around by a boat or whatever. 321 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:23.319 You can hire a water taxi. And his job was to run people 322 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:29.839 back and forth by this particular area because there's always some logging or fisheries or 323 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.519 thing that are going on an area. Right. It was one fall and 324 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.799 he dropped off a crew and he was coming back and he was tired, 325 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.480 and he was like, man, and the weather was bad because it can 326 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.160 get pretty rough in there. So he's like, I'm gonna pull up. 327 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.319 I'm gonna pull in this little bay here and I'm going to you know, 328 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.240 I'm going to anchor offshore and kind of have a nap and let the weather 329 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.200 pass right. So he pulls in there and he said, yeah, I 330 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.640 just you know, I put down my anchor and I'm about you know, 331 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.799 how did yards offshore maybe or you know, something like that, And I'm 332 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.119 tired. So he lays down and he's just having his snooze and then all 333 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.559 of a sudden, he said, for some reason, he just woke up. 334 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.400 I mean, he just something made him wake up. And he sat 335 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.599 up, and he's like, all of a sudden, man, his hair 336 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.400 stand on the back of his neck and whatever, and he's just, all 337 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:21.720 of a sudden, he's extremely fearful. And he stood up and he looked 338 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:27.240 out the windshield the front window of the boat standing on. Well. First 339 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.880 of all, he said, the tide had gone out. Why he was 340 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.640 there a little bit, and so he was closer to the beach than he 341 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.720 wasn't all of a sudden half of the beach and say, he said, 342 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.359 it's probably only about fifty yards of beach, and standing on the beach is 343 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:47.640 this huge hairy bipetal beach. He didn't a bi petal. I mean, 344 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.519 he said, dude was just like this huge, flipping hairy man and it's 345 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.759 standing on the beach and it's looking at him, and it's pacing back and 346 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.079 forth, and it's jumping up and down with his arms and it's going dude 347 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.480 just roaring at him, and it's it's like just like it's frustrated, and 348 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.000 he is trying to figure out how to get to his boat and it's gonna 349 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.160 kill him, and it's just anyways, and and this guy. I'm sitting 350 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.759 here and this guy is shaken man, and he could just he's white telling 351 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.359 me this story. So anyways, he's like, this thing gonna's gonna get 352 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.480 out here, and he's closer and all this stuff. So what he did, 353 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.720 he said, he started his boat and just gunned it backwards, and 354 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.079 he's dragging his anchor and he got far enough out into some deeper water to 355 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:27.599 where he felt relatively comfortable that he reached over and he pulled in his anchor 356 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:30.960 and he just hauled ass out of there. And he said behind him. 357 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.240 He looked behind him, and that thing would just pay you know what I'm 358 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.839 saying, like you see a crazy gorilla when they would throw him a lot 359 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:37.799 good and he'd throw it around and then he had paced it. You know 360 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:44.240 what I'm saying. That was yeah, December twenty seventeen or twenty and eighteen, 361 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.039 and that's in this arius, so it's still there. You know. 362 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.640 That's something that I've seen over the years is that places that once held sasquatches 363 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.880 do still hold sasquatches if the area has not changed significantly. And when I 364 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.319 mean when I say change, what I really mean by that is essentially paving. 365 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.000 As long as you don't pave in areas or develop it, or to 366 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.599 start, you know, built too many houses or something in the area, 367 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.960 the sasquatches are still going to be there. And this is to an extreme 368 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.720 example. I was talking to Moneymaker one time and he was telling me that 369 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.799 he was running an expedition in Florida and they ran into sasquatches, and upon 370 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.160 further investigation and research, they found that there were reports in that same area, 371 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:32.200 literally in that same area from the late eighteen hundreds. So if sasquatches 372 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.279 hang out in the same area, and that's also something that the more modern 373 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:40.359 data is yielding as well. One of our study areas at the North American 374 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.559 big Foot Center we are getting footprints, actually Boat two of our three of 375 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:49.559 our areas, we're getting footprints and finding sign like within just a few miles 376 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:56.079 and in some cases within just a few feet. Last August, I cast 377 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.279 a footprint, actually I cast a series of footprints down off the clock Miss 378 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:06.759 River and uh and this past May I found footprints within five feet of where 379 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:11.480 I cast them the previous August. So and certainly in a larger area, 380 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.519 and you know, let's say a five or ten you know, mile area, 381 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.839 they're hanging out there because if they're they're they're once, that means there's 382 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.200 resources there. And if that area doesn't change significantly, those resources are probably 383 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:27.880 still going to be there years, if not decades later. Here's a question 384 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.559 I have for you. I've got an area here unless I'm gonna use this 385 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:37.160 for example there that I just spoke to you about it. There Now, 386 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.440 I can continually go back up there, but I don't feel like I'm mueling 387 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.400 any result. You know what I'm saying, I don't. I'm not. 388 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.759 I'm kind of stumped after these all these years of running up there to this 389 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.839 picular area. But I'm comfortable there because I know the area and stuff like 390 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.119 that. But we here, we have a particular area where historically, and 391 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.359 like you have as well, what can I do, in your opinion, 392 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.359 to take it to the next level to where we could actually get something more 393 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.480 definitive. Well, let me ask you this, what have you been doing? 394 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.599 Well, what I've been doing is I've been doing the same same thing. 395 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.680 That about the only thing I know how to do. You go out 396 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.720 to an area, you spend some time there. Well, you go up 397 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.960 what I've been doing, identifying area where there's been ongoing and reoccurring sidings. 398 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.880 And my thought was, well, I'm going to go in an area where 399 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:33.400 there's that would yield me the highest likelihood of having an encounter with a sasquatch, 400 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.480 and this particular area, you know, it's one of those areas where 401 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.240 it seems that you've got something aggressive it's continually there, and have a confrontation 402 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.000 that allows you to get the to get the definitive evidence that you need. 403 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.519 Rather than just get in hair sample DNA and casting tracks. I guess right, 404 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.559 But have you been have you been casting prince and getting DNA samples in 405 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.200 what? Or is that the next level you're trying to get to? No, 406 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.640 my next level is I guess my next I've done that. I've done 407 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.400 those things, but other people are doing those things. So I don't think 408 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.440 that I need to do those things because I think, I guess what I'm 409 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:12.240 beating around the question. I guess what my point is. What I think 410 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.039 is that we've reached a stage in a game here where we need a body. 411 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.480 Yes, although are you aware of the DNA study that the new DNA 412 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.920 study this past sponsored by University in North Carolina. We had Derby or Cut 413 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.599 on our podcast I think just last week, and this seems to held a 414 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.519 great deal of hope for discovering the speed or recognizing the species. So no, 415 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.119 no, actually I'm not. I'll have to check that out. I'm 416 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.480 not familiar with that. Yeah, there's a new DNA study that holds a 417 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.039 lot of promise, whereas I don't. I never really did feel the other 418 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.319 ones did. Once you know they're they're at the beginning, we're all hopeful, 419 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.640 but at the end of the day, it seems like the other ones 420 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.279 weren't quite what they were intended to be. But this one seems Legit seems 421 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.359 to be on the up and up, and I'm putting my voice behind it 422 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.039 as best I can and trying to gather samples so I don't know, so 423 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.119 our listeners, and also for you to even feel free to go back at 424 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.000 last week and you can take a listen, because I think this might actually 425 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.319 be very promising. A body will be needed, sure, a body will 426 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:11.920 be needed, but maybe, hopefully not maybe this DNA thing can get it 427 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.319 done. I don't I don't strongly advocate for taking a body, even though 428 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:18.599 I do know those are the rules. I didn't write them, but those 429 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.960 are the rules for recognizing new species. It's just that I would be optimistic, 430 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:30.039 perhaps one of these rare moments of optimism from Cliff, that that perhaps 431 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.480 we can get this done without taking a specimen. I don't. I'm not 432 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.759 sure that can happen, but if there's a chance, I'm willing to take 433 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:38.920 it, because I'm not going to shoot one. You know, I'm a 434 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.319 danger to myself and others if I'm carrying around a huge I definitely wouldn't do 435 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.400 that either. I wasn't advocating that. Oh yeah yeah. But so hopefully 436 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:53.119 hopefully trace evidence something like body parts like hair or flesh samples or blood samples, 437 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.160 that would get it done. I think at this point according to Darby 438 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.680 orcat our guest last week and who's hitting this study. So I don't know, 439 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.400 I think that might be a good game changer. But how do you 440 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.359 get those things? Is, I guess is the next question? Yeah? 441 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.720 Because what my what what I want to do is I want to capture one 442 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.559 capture would how would you do that? I think I think it's possible. 443 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:21.960 I think it's possible, given given give if you can create a situation to 444 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.519 where it exposes itself in such a way because you've enraged it so much that 445 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.759 it's going to try to kill you and then it's going to get entrapped. 446 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.319 Why basically a person is baited, I think you could do it. What 447 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.720 would you do to make it so mad? I don't know. I don't 448 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.359 know, you know, but I'm in some people, a lot of people 449 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.759 in your listen, they're gonna laugh at this, but you know where I'm 450 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.119 at in the game, right now is I'm going to capture one. My 451 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.039 energy, My energy is going to be my energy and resources is going is 452 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:03.680 going into developing, but creating a few possibilities on capturing one, I think 453 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:10.039 you could do it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and 454 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:18.559 Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. No, no, would 455 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:23.920 would Capturing also entails a tranquilizing one or something or because because I'm one of 456 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.319 the things that people ask me is like, whoa why not try to capture 457 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.599 one? And I've thought about it. I've spent some time thinking about it, 458 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.279 and like, how do you capture something that's twelve hundred pounds has a 459 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.759 strength of fifteen or twenty men and not just weak men, because I have 460 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.480 the strength of ten men, but they're very, very weak men like that 461 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:47.400 fifteen or twenty like extraordinarily strong men all wrapped into one horrifying package. That's 462 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.880 pretty smart, you know, way smarter than the bears, way smarter than 463 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.559 the bears. And a lot of bears are smarter than the dumbest of tourists. 464 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.119 So like, how do you do that? Like what is I mean, 465 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.839 clearly not a spike pit or something like that or bear traps. They 466 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:06.480 don't work on this sort of thing. I've actually come I've I've actually been 467 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.920 working with somebody and we've come up with a number of entrapment devices. It 468 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.519 just may possibly work. But you know what I was thinking is, Okay, 469 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:18.960 I described as scenario for you where that really occurred, where someone had 470 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:26.000 trespassed, had taken something they shouldn't. It tracked them, it was enraged, 471 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.200 and it came after them. They just didn't know how to react to 472 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:30.480 it. So they call my dad to come save them. Now, let's 473 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:36.599 say you could recreate, recreate that kind of scenario, but without the sasquatch 474 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.799 knowing that you're going to try to get them. So you would have to 475 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.880 have it sounds like, in this particular, like this specific scenario, you 476 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:49.359 would have to get like tribal permission. Oh absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, 477 00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.279 yes, Yeah, I mean that's a given. Well, yeah, that's 478 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.400 a given that I think that alone would be tough. But I mean, 479 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:57.960 I don't want to the poop on your parade or anything. I'm just I'm 480 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.960 just I'm thinking out loud with you. Think of me as troubles shooting, 481 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.240 not shooting down your idea by the way. No, and that's good because 482 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.359 I'm just I'm throwing this stuff out because I'm frustrated with what I've been doing 483 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.799 for the last five years. You know what I'm saying, I don't really 484 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.359 care. You know, It's it's time. Okay. How many more track 485 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.279 castings do I personally want? You know? And I'm speaking for me because 486 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.599 I'm not you know, I say, well, yeah, I do bigfoot 487 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.680 research, but really I don't. I mean, maybe I do, but 488 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.599 really, my whole goal as I'm hunting, I'm going you know, I'm 489 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.119 hunting Sasquatch. I'm hunting him. I want to catch up with him. 490 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.440 I want to have a serious encounter with the guy. You know, I 491 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.160 want to figure you know that. That's really what I'm after is chasing down 492 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:48.599 interactions and encounters with Sasquatch. And that's why I focus on the areas that 493 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.519 I have, especially on the PC Coast and going into Port chadam, Alaska. 494 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.599 Like Port chadam, Alaska, the reason we went there is it was 495 00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.480 a high likelihood of a serious confrontation based on Lauren Edge and historical stuff. 496 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.279 Oh yeah, well, you know, let's talk about Port Chattam a little 497 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.920 bit, so give us a little background on Port Chattam for our listeners who 498 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.160 may not know that much about it, and then tell us about your role 499 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.640 in well in putting it back on the map, so to speak, for 500 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.359 those of them may be unaware. Port Chattam, Alaska, is on the 501 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.559 northern tip of the Kenai Peninsula, the end of the Kenai Peninsula catch Macbay. 502 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:29.000 It is very remote, but it's essentially forty five miles by boat down 503 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:35.160 Catchmcbay from Homer, Alaska, and it was in seventeen eighty six Nathaniel Port 504 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:39.079 Luckey's a British guy explorer. They found it a little like fur trading posts 505 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.079 there or whatever, and then it grew into a fishing village, and then 506 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.119 it grew into a canary and had a huge cannery there that they had built. 507 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.359 And so it went from fur trading to salmon processing, cannery stuff, 508 00:32:52.759 --> 00:33:00.599 and it ran up until essentially nineteen fifty. But over that time I am 509 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.279 starting in like the I think the first death occurred, and recorded death occurred 510 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.839 somewhere around you know, between nineteen ten and nineteen twenty. But legend has 511 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.880 it that they have a creature in the area there that's called the Nantanock, 512 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:19.640 which is essentially their version of a sasquatch. Nansenock means like Harryman or Harry 513 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.119 Beast or something like that. While long and the short of it is that 514 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.839 the town was eventually after a number of mysterious deaths, people being ripped apart, 515 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.400 disappearing, finding body parts, you know, stuff, get people just 516 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.759 getting ripped to shreds when they go out. That people were afraid, the 517 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:37.880 natives were afraid, who were primarily the ones that worked in the cannery. 518 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.240 So they completely closed the place and everybody abandoned it in nineteen fifty and no 519 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.960 one ever went back. And it's probably the most horrific story related to, 520 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.480 you know, a Sasquatch type of deal ever, because there was so many 521 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:58.960 factual, factual basis for it. There. You can find reports that people 522 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.720 were killed under mister circumstances, people went missing, There was a lot of 523 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.400 documentation. They even had information that was taken out of the cannery manager's log 524 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.639 where you know, certain dates this app and blah blah blah stuff like that. 525 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.840 So anyway, so the town was essentially abandoned in nineteen fifty. People 526 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.760 say the postmaster was the last guy to leave or whatever. But they abandoned 527 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.440 the town and they moved moved out of there up a bit, and so 528 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.719 the place was like bad medacine, man. I mean the story. People 529 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.079 will talk about it for seventy years. Everybody's talking about this story, about 530 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.159 this evil place, and then people did shows about it and all that. 531 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.599 But no one, no one ever went out there. They were afraid. 532 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.039 So I'm on Vancouver Island line of my own business, doing my sasquatch stuff 533 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.880 up there, you know, and I get an email from a guy and 534 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.199 he says, hey, man, you ever hear the story of Port Chataw, 535 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.440 Alaska. You ought to go check this out. And that was in 536 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.760 two thousand and you know, beginning to two thousand and eighteen. And I 537 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.760 was absolutely fascinated by the story, absolutely fascinated in the fact that no one 538 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.960 had been there. So I started doing all this research and decided that, 539 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.320 man, this sounds like the perfect place to go, a perfect place to 540 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.800 go, because you evidently have something there that chase people away. It's aggressive, 541 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.760 the likelihood of having a serious encounter is off the chart. So I 542 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.920 gotta go. I gotta go. But it took me about you know, 543 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.280 once I put the plan in motion, it took me about six seven months 544 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.639 just to get permission to go in there. And why is that? Like? 545 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.519 What what kind of like permission did you need? You don't I want? 546 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.920 As soon as I found out that it was the land was owned by 547 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:37.800 own owned by one of the native tribes. And yeah, and secondly, 548 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.400 it is a Native historical site, which is another thing. So I wanted 549 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.079 to make sure that, you know, I'm not going on somebody's land without 550 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.599 their permission and whatnot. And but dude, let me tell you, it 551 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.800 took six months to figure out to finally get in contact with with those people 552 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.519 an authority that would allow me to go out there. And here's an interesting 553 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.039 fact about it too. Once people in the area that had relatives that had 554 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.639 grown up in Port Chattam, Alaska, you know, before it was abandoned, 555 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.760 there were some people that I think there's even might be a couple maybe 556 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.800 that are still alive, that actually were children there. But I started getting 557 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:22.000 flooded with calls and emails from people saying, don't go there. You go 558 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.880 there, you're gonna die, It's cursed, it's an evil place. Stay 559 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.079 away from there. And then I even got a few threats of my life 560 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.760 if I did decide to go there. I mean, dude, it was 561 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:38.639 terrible and it was like holy smokers man. And it's like people were they 562 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.320 were just terra petrified. They didn't want anybody going there because they thought that 563 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.800 it might rekindle the n Antinock. I mean, I got some weird phone 564 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.159 calls and I got a lot of emails to that regard. But I also 565 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.559 was able to talk with some people that gave me realistically, you know, 566 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.599 what it was like and what's going there. So anyway, so we got 567 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.960 permission to go in there, and that's where Adam Davis comes in. Oh 568 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.800 yeah, yeah. Adam's of course a great friend of ours and ours being 569 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.760 everybody, but he's also been on the podcast before. He and just love 570 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.800 the guy. Love the guy to bits, you know. So I wasn't 571 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.320 going to go in there. I wasn't going to go in there by myself. 572 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:16.400 So I'll say, okay, well, now I got to start thinking 573 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.960 about who I want to go with, right And you know, this was 574 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:27.440 before things really started rolling. It was it was very fortuitous. I met 575 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.480 met Adam up up in Campbell River. It was kind of a weird He 576 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.199 just happened to be up there. He was somebody else that I knew, 577 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.280 and he put us together and I said, hey, man, I said, 578 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.639 this is all great and dandy here on Vancouver, but let me tell 579 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:43.199 you about Port Lock, Alaska. Would you like to go? Yeah? 580 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.039 I think Adams didn't know anything like that. Oh dude, I remember He's 581 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:52.440 like, bloody hell, yes, you know that kind of thing. But 582 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.880 then we cut, you know, we put things together from there, and 583 00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:00.719 uh man, the June that following June, we we went and we thought, 584 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.199 well, we're just flying to Homer. Man, we'll charter a boat 585 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.199 and we'll go out there, right. And well we get we get to 586 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.360 Homer and it's like we're trying to find somebody to take us out there. 587 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.679 No one wanted to take us out there. So everyone knew where it was, 588 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:16.480 but no one was willing to do it. They were not willing to 589 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.599 do it. And people said, if you go out there, you're gonna 590 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.119 die. You don't want to go out there, and I don't want to 591 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.440 go out there with you, and blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm 592 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.480 like, oh, man, okay, well I guess the both things out. 593 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.800 So then I start calling, you know, like a helicopter and all 594 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.199 these charter planes. Right, well, I guess we'll fly out there. 595 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.599 We'll go with Plan B. Nobody even wanted to fly us out there. 596 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.320 And through some weird circumstances at the sitting at the bar at the Salty Dog, 597 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.719 somebody over heres talking and a gentleman says, well, I'll take you 598 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.159 out there. It's like a movie or something like yeah seriously, because we 599 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.159 were just, we were just and he was like he was a wild man. 600 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.519 He's like, yeah, I'll take you out there. So anyways, 601 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.559 and so rate so we worked out a deal with him, and the next 602 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.719 morning we got up early and drove us out to you know, took us 603 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.400 out there, and man, it's forty two miles. Doesn't seem that long, 604 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.360 but I bought you know, it's like two hours. Oh that's forever 605 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.639 on a boat. Yeah, yeah, because if you're doing ten or fifteen 606 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.800 knots per hour on the water, you're going pretty fast. Yeah. So 607 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.440 anyways, and so man, we're just, you know, and we're nervous 608 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.239 too. Don't get me wrong, I'm nervous too, because we don't know 609 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.360 what to expect. But dude went for us to go out there, to 610 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.519 me in the Bigfoot resource world or whatever I mean for me or whatever I 611 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.039 can understand. I kind of could relate to what those guys felt like the 612 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.800 first of Pollo mission that landed on the Moon. I mean, to me, 613 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.880 it was like that, because here we are, We're going to a 614 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.519 place if just people have been so petrified to this place. No one's gone 615 00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:50.360 out here for seventy flipping years, you know, and all this, and 616 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.599 here we are, and we're going to be the first, you know. 617 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.320 And so anyway, so he takes us out. You know, we take 618 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.800 our boat right out there, and I just remember it was in June and 619 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.320 it was near the summer solstice, and we do whether we got logistic, 620 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:06.440 I mean, it was exquisite. It was beautiful. The trip was out 621 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.599 there, and we pulled into this bay and we're just looking around and you're 622 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:15.639 like, oh, okay, we're kind of orienting ourselves with us where okay 623 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.639 we see and then you see the little building, you know, so he 624 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.719 kind of figured out where we were at. We had a map and all 625 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.880 that, but he takes us in there and it was dude, it was 626 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.440 absolutely gorgeous day. I just remember that, and the place was just full 627 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.000 of sea orters, you know, big sea autters rolling around there. Along 628 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:37.119 the short of this, the boat guy, we kind of orient ourselves where 629 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.639 we're at the where the old town was, and we did a little looking 630 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.719 around there and then we're like, okay, where's he going to drop us 631 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.079 off? Because basically gonna drop us, he's gonna come back and get us 632 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:50.639 in three days. So we found a spit and he was happy to kick 633 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.679 us off the boat and he said, hey, by the way, do 634 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:53.880 you guys have a satellite phone? We said no, and he goes, 635 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.760 what's wrong with you? And he gave us a satellite phone and he said 636 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.719 every twelve hours, I want you to t X me all is well, 637 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:06.679 and then he booging and got out of there and it was just me and 638 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.519 Adam and Joe sire cameraman. Wow, wow, the cameraman. So that's 639 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.920 something to note too, is that people can actually see this adventure for themselves 640 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.639 because you produced a documentary out of it. Right, well, that was 641 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:22.199 the follow up one, but the recon was a three day thing and I'm 642 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.199 going I'm sorry, I'm a little long here. But what I have to 643 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.440 tell you is this, we didn't sleep the whole time. I when I 644 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.360 say that, literally we were scared. I there was so much anxiety, 645 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.119 and we were scared and we were on edge, and so we didn't even 646 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.000 sleep the first you know, we would alternate every couple hours. You know, 647 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.119 someone could get a twenty minute nap, but we were constant on guard, 648 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.440 and we were very visual because we didn't know what to expect well. 649 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.320 And also, and I know that the place is clearly has some bad juju 650 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.519 going on, you know, like there's there's some there's legends about this place, 651 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.239 like this whole thing has been built up in your mind. But on 652 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:04.039 top of that, there's a real possibility that there's a The Sasquatches there have 653 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.159 learned that they can chase people away and be terrible to them. But correct 654 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.239 me if I'm wrong. But there are brown bears there too, right, 655 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:16.000 dude, there are Let me tell you something I've never The highest concentration of 656 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:22.480 black bears is on the Kenai Peninsula and in Alaska, right, and then 657 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:30.000 there is those huge Kodiak brown bears. And when we were hiking around, 658 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.400 when we were walking around the old town side of Port Chatam, Alaska, 659 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.840 there was so much bear scat. I mean, it was like you thought 660 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.480 that there must have been a whole town of bear there. It's everywhere and 661 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.679 man, and then we stumbled across a brown bear track that was the hugest 662 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.079 bear track I'd ever seen in my entire life. And we never ran into 663 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.280 any of them. But I remember when we one morning when we went in 664 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.440 there here, one of the piles was still steaming and it was huge. 665 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.320 But there were bears everywhere, and you never saw one though he never thank 666 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.800 god, we never well, I did see one, not on this trip. 667 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.679 To me, that's almost scarier because you knew that you were you were 668 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.440 there, you were in the middle of it. They were around, maybe 669 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.440 not fifty of them, but there were a handful of these things around, 670 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.039 and you never saw one. To me, that's almost creepier. One of 671 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:21.119 the things that we and you're bringing up a good point, and this is 672 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.480 overlooked and even sometimes I forget about it. But we did note some interesting 673 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.960 things when we were there. And one of the things that we noted was 674 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:35.559 there seemed to be a division of land. There seemed to be a barrier 675 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:42.719 between half like split the kind of split half of port locked Port Chadam where 676 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.559 the bears did not go like we're we're hiking around and we hiked. Originally 677 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.559 we hiked like we did. Somebody had one of those things where we keep 678 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.360 tracking, but we did like eight point six miles. I mean seriously, 679 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.800 we were covering some ground because we had a limited, limited part of time 680 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.480 be there. But one of the things that we did notice is there there 681 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.719 is an air yeah that once you crossed this invisible barrier, there was zero 682 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.480 bear sign. It's like the bears that not go there and which which was 683 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.679 odd, but we know it was almost you know, we noticed it after 684 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.639 a little bit because it's like, that's strange. Why is all this bear 685 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.480 sign and bear tracks and bear poop and they're eating all the berries. But 686 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.239 then you get over on this side and and there's no barrier. I mean 687 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.760 there's berries everywhere there. Bears haven't touched them. There's absolutely nope, we 688 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.639 haven't come across any bears. Get no bear tracks or anything that is odd. 689 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.599 That is odd. Yeah, what did you what did you find on 690 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.280 that side of the track, so to speak, like what did you find 691 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.719 in the no bear zone? That gave you some idea perhaps what what what 692 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.480 that was all about. When we were in the no Bear Zone, Okay, 693 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.360 there was a couple of things that we noticed. One of them is 694 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.320 the no Bearer Zone bordered the there's a lagoon and this is a lagoon where 695 00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.400 allegedly they found body parts, you know, ripped up body parts, washed 696 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.440 down, endless to go. And the No Bear Zone was the area that 697 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:12.760 bordered that lagoon. And secondly, when we were hiking around that area, 698 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.920 first of all, we kind of got the feeling that something was watching us, 699 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.800 you know how you get kind of get that feeling. But secondly, 700 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:24.679 we kept hearing this a little running and stop running and stop running and stop 701 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.480 foot foot like foot poundings or kind of yeah yeah yeah. And it was 702 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.039 up the ridge, you know, it was behind us, but as we 703 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.159 moved in a circular, it stayed on the ridge kind of above us. 704 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:43.320 But paralleled this and I never it was really thick, you know, and 705 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.119 so we we we don't know, but we kept hearing it and there was 706 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.000 something there. Don't know what it was, but there was something there. 707 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.480 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right 708 00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:07.039 back after these messages. I think I caught a little bit of one of 709 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.440 these documentaries that you were in about this. And if I remember right, 710 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:14.119 the ground is basically padded moss everywhere you look, So there's not a lot 711 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.360 of opportunity for subs, for tracks and good substrate. Right, yeah, 712 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:23.960 no, there isn't. There isn't. Subsequent to this, after we'd exhausted, 713 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.480 Okay, because I've been there three times and I don't want to confuse 714 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.760 and a couple of trips, so I'm going to back up real quick. 715 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:37.039 And then the trip that I did with Adam when we went in there. 716 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:44.960 If you haven't seen the flur video that was captured during that trip, I 717 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.760 highly recommend it. You can see it. It's available on episode two of 718 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.199 the Alaska Triangle. We actually provided it to him. Oh I was on 719 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.159 that show, actually, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, you 720 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.719 weren't. I'm not in that episode, of course, but yeah, I 721 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.159 was on. I was on that series. So yeah. And by the 722 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:07.440 way, I have film of when that actually occurred, and and and I 723 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.559 was looking at it the other day. Basically, what was caught on that 724 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.639 flur was some Adam was doing, you know, some of his calling. 725 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.800 You know what I'm saying, how he does Dad? Who right? Because 726 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.960 we were trying to it was getting to be here last night there and you 727 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:24.679 know it's dark and and everything and and whatnot, and all of a sudden 728 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.320 he starts doing that. We thought we heard something coming from way up on 729 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.480 this ridge. We thought we heard something. So it immediately I've got the 730 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.559 flur and uh and we're looking up there and we're handing the flair back and 731 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960 forth whatever, and I'm going, look and I noticed something that it's something 732 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.440 came over the top of the ridge and started coming down and I'm going, 733 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.559 holy crap. And anyways, and so I gave it, you know, 734 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.639 I said, Adam, take a look at this man. And you know 735 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.000 when he's got it and he's flurring up there and this thing it was like 736 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.840 comes running over the top hill. Appears that way came over the top hill 737 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:04.000 and started coming down the and I'm like it appeared to be by Pete whatever. 738 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.039 And anyways, it was in Joe Siah is actually filming this as it's 739 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.880 occurring, and here it is, and I, like I said, I 740 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.039 was just looking at it and you can actually see the fear in my face, 741 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.320 and then I start telling at him, stop yelling, you know, 742 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.800 stop doing your thing, stop doing your calling, because whatever it is, 743 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.880 you've irritated it, you've agitated it, and I don't want it coming down 744 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.440 any farther down that hill. So anyways, there's a good clip of that 745 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.559 Flair video that they have on that show. When we did the first movie, 746 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.079 when we came back in September of eight, twenty eighteen, and we 747 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.320 did actually shot the movie in search of the Porch Chadam Harryman. During that 748 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:46.400 trip, we did find some tracks and we but you know what I'm saying, 749 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.920 We did find some really good impressions and we try to show them the 750 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.440 best that we can in the film, but there weren't really anything that was 751 00:48:53.440 --> 00:49:00.360 was castable. But we did find those and when we were following those up 752 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.519 into what I called the Valley of Death, you follow them up into this 753 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.519 wooded area and it's and it's a valley, but it opens up into a 754 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:16.119 really grassy metal once you get through the woods. We had identified the trackway 755 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.079 and we started following it. We kind of spread out and we're going up 756 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.039 there and I call it the Valley of Death. I have to give names 757 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.519 to everything, because you know, they said people would go up the valley 758 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.239 and they would never come back. You know, that was part of the 759 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.000 alleging. But as you're going up the valley, there's this thing had it 760 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.239 was they were very very fresh, because as it's going up through the hills, 761 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.400 you know, you could see the fresh dirt where it's toes were grabbing, 762 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.760 and we measured it was about fourteen inches and there was actually a couple 763 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.440 imprints and where it stepped on a log, and then after that it would 764 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.400 just started running up the hill right and you could see the stride and where 765 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.440 the toes had dug into the dirt. And we were right behind this thing, 766 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.559 and it was in the morning, and we're following up up that valley 767 00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.039 there, and we're kind of spread out and like a wedge formation. You 768 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.719 know, Beans is up front, he's but he's to the right, and 769 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.760 I'm on one side of this valley and we're coming up and as we're going 770 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.960 up that track way, I'm looking to forward, but out of the corner 771 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.000 of my eye, something darts in between two trees and it was just quick 772 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.639 and there was a gap of about twenty feet in between two trees and something 773 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:27.280 very tall and gray and lanky, lanky dude just darted between two trees and 774 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.480 I just caught a profile of it. I immediately said, stopped, everybody. 775 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.360 I said, holy bleep, bleep, bleep, whatever, don't move, 776 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.760 man. I just saw something dart between two trees. And I called 777 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.880 everybody in the radio and they said, get over here, man, because 778 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.760 it's I just saw something. We're on the trail of something. But here 779 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.679 was the interesting thing. I'm like, what's it doing? What's it doing? 780 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.599 And the valley that we were going into actually was a dead end. 781 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.039 Oh, some sort of box canyon sort of, yes, it was a 782 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.239 box canyon. And so we're moving forward. We're on the trail of whatever 783 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.280 this thing is and we're moving forward and and it turns out it's a boss 784 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.119 canyon, and I'm like, what's this thing going to do? Well, 785 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.960 it had two choices. It was either we were going to run it into 786 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.519 the rock. We're going to run it to the dead end and then or 787 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.559 it's going to you know, so what it is. It made a break 788 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:16.360 for it. We're pushing it up there that was running out of room, 789 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:21.599 and so just that whatever it was decided to make a get around us. 790 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:23.119 It was either that or he's going to come out on the beach. That 791 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.639 was your only option. It's gonna run dead end or or we're gonna chase 792 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.559 you right out of the beach. And it made a break for it and 793 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.760 just got around behind us. That that was it. And then for subsequently 794 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:39.960 Beans Beans got some short but really good floor video. I recommend you check 795 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.280 it out. He got some muffler. So that that was that the trip 796 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:49.119 that that was That was exciting, not bad, not bad footprints a part 797 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.719 all but a sure sighting you know. That's that's pretty cool, plus a 798 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.559 little bit of flair video. It sounds like a super successful expedition and that 799 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.079 and that was part of this documentary In Search of the Port Chadam Harry in 800 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.199 correct. So you can see all this, so you can see this as 801 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.880 it kind of is unfolding it. Yeah, it's it's a long movie, 802 00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.360 but we try to cover stuff. But there's a lot of people they they 803 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.920 they're not watching the entire movie, but yeah, no, it's in there. 804 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.519 And check out the Flur video. The clip at the Flur video. 805 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.519 We show the impressions there and some other things. But it's pretty good stuff. 806 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:25.440 Insummation on the Port Chatham thing. Subsequent to this, you know, 807 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.920 we came up and we redid the episode for the Travel Channel for you know, 808 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.960 for their series. We came back a third time, so I've been 809 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.119 in there three times. Who came back and we did that the following May, 810 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.639 and that was May of twenty nineteen. By that time, we had 811 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:46.639 covered that area there pretty well. I mean pretty well, but we could 812 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.480 never really stay more than you know, three four days at a time, 813 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.880 right. One of the things that was significant and I put this out and 814 00:52:54.639 --> 00:53:00.360 I was really disappointed because when we were fu allow on those that track way 815 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.559 up the Valley of Death, it was heading up to that Box canyon where 816 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.800 it kind of ended and then it goes up eight hundred and forty feet and 817 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.360 it's it's almost straight up. It's almost straight up, and there's a stream 818 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.719 that runs down through there. But up on top of that is a lake. 819 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.920 It's there's a lake up there, and I call it the Lake of 820 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:22.320 No Return because people would you know, that was one of the areas where 821 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.920 people would go and not come back as well, because that's where the doll 822 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.159 sheep were, you know, because that kind has its ringing around it. 823 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.679 But we sent a drone up there. We sent it drone up there to 824 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.760 scout and see what is up there. And when you get up there where 825 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.559 plateaus, there's that little lake there, and three quarters of it is just 826 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.400 straight cliffs up and down and kind of like rock slides, and then it 827 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.199 has a flat area like a bench. But what we spotted up there appeared 828 00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:55.880 to be could be potentially cave entrances in the cliff side up there. We 829 00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.280 never we were going to do a follow up trip. If I was to 830 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.280 go back into Port Chattam, Alaska, that's all I would do is I'd 831 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.679 go up there and I would chop her and I would land up there and 832 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.159 spend a few days right there and investigate that. And so we were finished 833 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.440 in twenty nineteen. Then they came in and they did that show Alaskan Killer 834 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.559 big Foot, and they spent a month or whatever in Port Chatham, right, 835 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:24.159 and no one they didn't even bother to go up there, So missed 836 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.920 opportunity. Well that was their first time in there, of course, right, 837 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.199 So, and they weren't building upon what you had done already. Yeah, 838 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.519 Yeah, they they got a lot of information, you know, from 839 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.800 watching all the things that we did, and some of it they incorporated into 840 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.519 their show to a degree which is evident, but they never did follow through 841 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.159 with that, which was a real disappointment. So the reason I'm putting this 842 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.760 out is this, if anybody's going to bother going back into Port Chattaw, 843 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.000 Alaska, please complete the mission and go up there to that lake, because 844 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:59.840 I think that's that's really the only area that wasn't covered that well, it 845 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.239 I wasn't covered, No one ever went there. And secondly, that's probably 846 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:09.039 a good opportunity to explore because of some of the historical stuff about when people 847 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.599 at the doll Sheep are up there. And secondly, there could be what 848 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.400 appeared to be some cave intrances where something could live in a cave. Sounds 849 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.199 like that's more than enough reason to go back and go check out that particular 850 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.079 area. Yeah, so I encourage somebody to do it. Well, you 851 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.280 know, Stephen, we have a I don't know if you can stick around 852 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.639 a little bit longer. We do have a membership side of things. I'd 853 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.599 like to speak to you more about this particular area, some of your other 854 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.519 adventures and even some of your personal sidings that I know you've had, but 855 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.039 we didn't mention for some reason to this podcast. We just didn't get to 856 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:38.920 it. Could you have a little bit more time that you can spare for 857 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.559 me today? Well? Yeah, sure, okay, Well let's do this. 858 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.679 Let's let's let's wrap up this episode of big Foot and Beyond here with 859 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:51.760 Cliff and usually Bobo, and then we can go and record for our members 860 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.199 after this, if that's okay with you. But yeah, so thank you 861 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:58.360 so much Stephen for coming on the podcast. I've been trying to get you 862 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.360 for a while because I knew you'd be a fantastic guests. You're so interesting, 863 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.920 you have so many adventures under your belt, You're so enthusiastic about life 864 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:08.199 in general, and it just comes through for everybody listening. This is Steven 865 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.880 Major, and he has been on a ton of stuff, but we've been 866 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.280 talking about In Search of the Porch Chatham Harryman. Where can people see this 867 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:19.199 or buy it? Or because people are going to want to put their eyes 868 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.639 on this, you can see In Search of the Port Chatham Harryman is available 869 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.719 on our YouTube channel for free. If you like commercials and what is your 870 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:34.039 YouTube channel. It's it's Extreme Expeditions Northwest LLC. And of course, by 871 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.760 the way, Stephen said that you can see this for free on his YouTube 872 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.360 channel, and the link is in the show notes, so just go ahead 873 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.920 and click that and I'll bring you right over there to the YouTube channel you 874 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.960 can check out all the things that Steven's up to. Stephen, thank you 875 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:51.360 very much. Once again, I really sincerely appreciate you coming on and members, 876 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.800 stay tuned. We'll be talking to Stephen on the members episode. Thank 877 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:58.079 you very much everybody for tuning into big and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. 878 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.800 But we'll be back eventually, hope next week. We'll see about that. 879 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:12.239 And in the meantime, you know, keep it squashy. 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