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was kind of neat if I would just start with that from Scrappy Remnants,
which is a website, and it's like, that's really an Etsy sort of
thing more than anything, but a wonderful patches for Bobo and I. Scrappy
Remnants dot com is where you can get these things. It's a bigfoot patch.
And of course I got a quick note from Esther who is the owner
of this. So anyway, thank you Esther and Scrappy Remnants and all you
folks over there. We really appreciate it. Feel free to bestow us with
gifts, shower us with your love. You can always send it to I
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Po Box twenty twelve, Sandy Organ nineteen seven zero two two. Other
than that, I just got back from Ohio. I was down in Logan,
Ohio for the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival. This is the second year that
this gig has been going on. Last year eleven thousand people showed up to
it, so and this year was even bigger. I haven't gotten the official
numbers, but I don't know a few million were there. It felt like
it's probably not that high, but that's what it felt like to me.
At least it was a larger venue. I think they closed down another block
or two this time. Logan's a tiny town and Bigfoot Bigfoot weirdos took over
the whole thing. It was great. I was awash in a sea of
Bigfoot aficionados for the entire weekend. It was a Friday and Saturday event.
The organizers did a great job. I mean b Mills is the brains of
the operation, but there are a lot of other people helping behind the scenes.
Suzanne and Jorge, I mean, just so many people might so many
people were there helping out. Great speakers were there, great times, great
friends, The Hawking Hills Bigfood Festival was fantastic. I recommend everybody go if
they do it again next year. So anyway, let's go to our guests.
Because I've been actually trying to get this guy on the show for quite
a while. I started running across this guy last year at some point.
I don't think we've known each other very long, but we kind of hit
it off. We're good friends at this point. I did a conference that
he organized his past this past spring or summer or something earlier in the year
anyway, and he has a lifetime worth of adventure to share. You know,
he's a film producer, he's an adventurer in general, he's an organize,
he's he's a lot of different things, but more than anything, he
is Stephen Majors. So, Stephen, thank you so much for coming on
the podcast. And I'm so happy we can finally get you on. And
I'm sorry for Bobo's absence. Not a problem, man, I'm just grateful
to be on the show. And and thank you for that wonderful intro.
Man, that's the best I ever got. You covered the best. Oh
Man, you need to do more podcasts, because I thought it was pretty
mediocre. You know well anyway, So, yeah, you've had basically a
lifetime of kind of circling around the Bigfoot, the Bigfoot subject in some way
or another. And I know that it started up in coastal British Columbia back
in the day. How did Bigfoot get on your radar? What you said
they were was really good? I had, I really had. I had
a very interesting father, and I had a very interesting childhood because he was
a really adventurous guy too, and he kind of that kind of emulated in
me and some of my siblings as well. But one of the fortunate things
that relate to Bigfoot here is in I was born in the Kellog, Idaho,
so northern Idaho. That's where I raised until nineteen seventy six. And
my father comes home and he says, Hey, here's a deal. We're
moving to this wonderful, beautiful place. It's heaven on Earth. It's called
Jennie Bay. It's located on the northern coast of BC, out in the
bush across from Port Hardy, where he had actually lived and worked at logging
camps in various places in the nineteen forties and fifties. And we're like,
oh, wow, you know, and he's a really beautiful sketch artist,
and he would sketch all these photos about this is what it looks like and
blah blah, blah blah. You know what, I'm like, twelve or
ten or whatever, you know what I'm saying. And so anyways, subsequently
he moved us. School got out, he packed us up, and we
all moved to this little place called Jennie Bay out there on the coast.
And it was a real adventure because, you know, here we are and
we're young, and we drive to Seattle and then we get on a float
plane and then we fly for three and a half hours, just you know,
up the coast, and we finally we land in this in this little
bay. I always remember the day we came in there. It was gray
and overcast and you know, just kind of typical BC weather, I guess.
And we land in the land in this little little bay called Jennie Bay.
And what was there was an abandoned logging camp that was closed down in
the fifties and it was like a town. There were twenty seven buildings there,
homes and jobs and blah blah blah that had been completely abandoned and left
to itself for all those years. He moved us up there, and one
of the things that we we came to know about it after we had been
there for a little bit is my dad had actually grown up with a chief
of the Indian village that was down there in Hopetown village was just down the
inlet from us, and so he was good friends with them, and when
we had moved there, we had some associations with them, and the rules
were kind of set down. It was like a welcome thing, you know,
welcome, you know, children of Jerry Major blah blah, that kind
of thing to the area and nice to me. Now here are some ground
rules for living in the area. One of the ground rules was we were
free to travel anywhere that we wanted to around the lakes and the inlet.
How however, there was a specific area that is just northwest of the end
of the Hopetown village and it was like, you can go anywhere, but
see those mountains up there. You do not go up there. That is
a sake. That's those are sacred grounds. You stay out of there.
Don't go out there because if you do, you're going to run into trouble
because there is a guardian. The guardian will get you and and it turned
out the guardian was doing a quar sasquatch and so you stay out all those
areas and welcome to well, you know, welcome to BC and have a
good time. And that was about it. But that was my first introduction
with sasquats. And we learned more about it, but it really didn't stick
with me, you know what I'm saying. We're like, oh, that's
kind of cool and stuff and and but it really didn't bother us all that
much. However, that was in nineteen seventy six, and so every now
and then you would you would hear a few things, but we didn't take
it serious. And I was like, Dad, well is there a sasquatch
around here? Yeah? There is, but here you know, they won't
mess with you. You don't mess with them. Don't worry about that.
And we went about our business. And then in nineteen fast forward three years,
so it's nineteen seventy nine, so I'm about fifteen years old, and
beyond Gennis Bay there's a lake. It's called Who Asked Lake, and it's
about thirteen miles long, and we were up working on the lake. There
we'd do log salvage on the lake. And one afternoon my dad pulls into
this little bay and we're gonna have some lunch. He gets off the boat
and a few moments later he comes running back all excited at everything. It's
like, you gotta come over here. Look what we found. You know,
look what I found. Look what I found. So me and the
other guy we get off the boat and we walk along the beach there and
there's a little sandy area where a stream had come down, kind of like
a draft, had a stream running down through it, and a little sandy
beach area. And we're like, he goes, comm here, comm here,
you gotta look at this. We get over there and he goes,
he points down, he goes, look at that, and I'm like what.
He goes, big foot. And what was in the little sandy area
There was, you know, some huge footprint. You could see where this
thing had come down the hill. It had walked around on the sandy beach
area, and then it turned around and gone back up the side of the
straw. And I'm like, holy crap, and we're like, look at
them. He goes, I told you a big foot. And I remember
we measure the tracks. They were like sixteen or eighteen inches, but they
were flipping huge, and it's like that. It started to become real for
me at that point. And then he said, well, let's follow him.
And so what we did is we followed him up the drawing. You
could see where the thing was came down, and then when it went back
up the draw which was on the edge of this little stream that came through
there, and we're following up the hill and it's going boom boom boom,
and here are these huge, big tracks. And then about I don't know,
maybe seventy five yards up the hill, it plateaued for a little bit
and then there was a little little pool where the stream had come down and
it was hit boolled there. And when you got up to that little plateau
and you could see where it stopped and it hit gotten down. We believe
it got down on its knees, and there was two huge handprints like it
had gotten down, you know, on its knees, and put one hand
down here, one down here, and we presume it got a drink of
water. And it was like, holy smoked man that the hands were absolutely
just huge. And then it kind of got up, or well, we're
assuming he got up. And then we followed the tracks farther up the side
of the hill, probably about another seventy five hundred yards, and they stopped
at a rock cliff. We lost them. One of the things that was
significant about this when we're going up the hill, when we're walking up that
draw, about every so often there would be about six or seven feet up
on an alder tree, these green alder trees. They were broken over,
twisted and broken over all to the left, all to the same side as
you're going up the hill, probably about you know, every twenty five thirty
feet, And I'm like, what does My daddy said, the tracks and
all this stuff is crazy, but what is that all about? You could
see a line of them going up the hill, and he said, that's
how a sasqu watch marks it's territory. And they're all going the same direction.
I wonder what that what that's? Yeah, going the same direction like
a line, like a picket line going up the hill. Okay, I
said, thinking, if they're all to the left, I wonder if that
shines some sort of light on left handedness or right handedness of the of these
animals. Because studies have been done on other other apes species about that same
thing. Yeah, and I always regret to you know, this was in
nineteen seventy nine, so we didn't have cell phones, you know, we
didn't have a movie camera with us. It was just something that we stumbled
across, you know, stumbled across on that. But man, if you
know, I regret to the you know, it's one of those things where
if I would have had some plasteric, you know, even thought of these
things like plaster casting, you know all of that. I mean, you
had a perfect storm. Yet we had hand prints, we had knee prints,
we had you know, footprints, and we had this you know,
this perfect line of tree brakes going all the way up this hill. Yeah,
that's fan plastic. A fine like that today would would just spread like
wildfire through the Bigfoot community. That's something as important as that. Yeah,
it dude, it was. And that made Bigfoot reel for me. And
after that, I was nervous the whole time that I was up there,
you know. But what was significant about that as well is where we were,
where we were at on that lake was very close to the area where
they said don't go and did you put two and two together at that time
or is that just ye okay? No, I did, I dude,
I did, because we were going and I was like, oh my god,
and I realized where we were, and then I became more conscious of
this is real, Sasquatch is here. And there was something else that happened
the following year, the following summer that even made things more true to me.
The following summer, down on that east end of the lake, there
was a logging crew and they would blog. They were logging this big area
we are camp are blogging place was on the left end. They were all
the way down on the east end. Well they were, they were.
Their camp was actually even closer to the area where you're not supposed to go.
But they weren't logging in that area. They were logging an area that
was just to the south of it, but they were very very close to
it. They had to log in camp there and they had about eighteen twenty
people and stuff and they were working and we would have some interactions with them.
Well, there was a guy that was working at that camp that my
dad had known since you know, since they are youth, you know,
since he was a teenager. Up there on the coast, and he was
kind of an interesting guy and whatnot. But for some reason, and we
don't know why, maybe just to be opportunistic or something like that. There
was I guess during the time as well, there was a big market for
like first nations, you know, artifacts like old trinkets or old jewels or
things of that nature or something like that, as I recall something like that.
But for some reason he felt motivated to actually trespass on that ground that
you were supposed to stay away from in search of some trinkets or something that
may have value. So we're back at Janice Bay and we're back and it's
like, I don't know, it's like one thirty, twelve thirty or whatever.
And back in the day, you didn't have telephones up there. We're
on the middle of over. You got radio phones. That's what you got.
You got radio phones. And it's you know, it's like I'm sleeping
and everybody's in bed, and all of a sudden, the radio phone starts
crackling and you hear, you know, calling out five m O seven eight
five seven eight, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, are you there? Pick
up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up and this
frantic guy, this guy is just absolutely frantic on the radio phone. He
said, Jerry, pick up up. You know, you know when you
always have your radios on in cases an emergency, right, So it's like,
oh, man, get you know, I gotta get up, and
what's going on? What's going on? And my dad gets on the radio
phone and he goes, he goes, yeah, it's just what's what's going
on? Is that use Jerry, Jerry, you gotta come and get us.
You gotta come, help us, help us, you gotta come get
us. He's like, well, what's going on. He goes, you
gotta get up to the camp. You got to get us right away.
And you can hear his wife in the background, the guy that's on the
radio phone. You can hear his wife in the background screaming, and she
goes, is he looking in the window? It's at the window. It's
at the window. And they're just as absolute terror. He goes, you
gotta come and get us. So my Dad's like, well, hold on,
man, I'll get there. So here it is mid of night and
my dad's got to get up. He gets in the truck. He's got
to drive five miles up this dirt road. He's got to get in his
boat and he has to go another ten miles down the lake to get him,
and my dad most fearless man I ever known, he did it.
I mean he did it. And he goes down to goes down there.
In the middle of night, he gets him, and about I don't know,
it's probably about three or four hours later, just before light. He
comes back to the house and he has up there and I'm just watching these
people and there's all this commotion. They're just crazy and they're screaming, and
she goes, it was gonna get us, what's gonna get us? Blah
blah blah blah, and he's like he sits him down, and he goes,
I told you not to go there. You just you went there,
didn't you. And he goes, yeah, yeah, I did. I
had to go there. And he goes, what did you take? What
did you take? He goes, I just got a few things. I
just got a few things. And he says, give me everything that you
have, and he gave the stuff to my dad and my dad said I'll
be back later. And he left him there and he went all the way
back up there and he put the stuff back. But when things calmed down,
and what had happened is he had tresped. He went up into the
area where he wasn't supposed to go. He absconded with some trinkets and whatever
you know that were left in the bar, you know, in the burial
stuff up there. I did a little grain robbing and then yeah, he
did. But man, and what happened is he got back to the float
camp and the crew had gone in to town and they would do that on
the weekends. They had gone to town, so it was just him and
his wife once they got back. He got back, she can't go with
him. He got back and as soon as they started to get dark,
they started here and he's hopped his howling, just whaling right, and it
kept getting closer and closer and never get a little bit spook. And then
it got it came down and then they heard pounding and thumping. It got
on the float houses, you know, float houses. They didn't live on
land. You have the float house, you know, you make a platform,
you build a house on right flow camps. And it got on there
and it was haullern and beaten on the side of the cabin and it was
just terrorizing the whole yell out of them. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did
you ever go to this area where you're not supposed to go? No?
No, because because you're you're a young man, I mean, and that's
that's if. I mean, I'd probably do it now, But as a
young man, I would certainly go wherever I wasn't supposed to go. I
didn't because you know, I respect my elders, you know what I'm saying.
And it's like, dude, this is their land, it's not mine.
I don't you know when we were kind of taught that kind of stuff.
But you can go there on the water and you can look. I
mean, you know what I'm saying. And I'm going to throw this out
here today and somebody is going to be extremely upset. But I wanted to
get some of this stout here and on the ocean side of this, if
you want to stand and look and face up at the area where all of
this where of this accord, it's called Clayton Bay. It's right across you
know, Hopetown. Watson Island and Watson Island is where Hopetown, Indian Village
was, and today it's pretty much abandon When I was there, there's like
three four hundred people there. Man, it was like, you know,
a huge Indian village, but today there's just a lodge house there. But
that area where this occurred, the saltwater side of it, would basically be
what's called Clayton Bay, which is right across the little inlet there, and
you can go there today, and people do go there today. I totally
diet, like you're respecting the areas, staying out of it and all that
sort of stuff, But I would definitely want to look at it or get
close to it to find out what kind of thing is guarding it's But I
guess if everybody knew it was a sassquatch, maybe that was enough to keep
people away. This area today and is recent is two thousand and eight.
There people have had encounters with something when they've been in that bay that's closest
to that mountain area where you're not supposed to go. There is something still
there, and I have to share this story with you real quickly. Fast
forward to two thousand and seventeen. I'm up on Vancouver Island and I'm you
know, and I've been coming up there for half a year, and people
would, you know, people got word that I was on the island and
I was doing this and who I was and all yes, during Majors kid
blah blah blah, and he's up here looking for sasquatch. Right, And
I kind of made my headquarters at as Campbell River, and so I people
would know I was at Campbell River and they would come down and they would,
you know, they would want I was looking for people to tell me
about recent encolendaries. You don't gather intelligence are to go. So I'm at
a hotel in Campbell River and this guy comes in and he says, man,
I want to share something with you. And the guy is a was
a He drove water taxi and water tach. You know, you'd either go
up there. There's no roads, you get around by a boat or whatever.
You can hire a water taxi. And his job was to run people
back and forth by this particular area because there's always some logging or fisheries or
thing that are going on an area. Right. It was one fall and
he dropped off a crew and he was coming back and he was tired,
and he was like, man, and the weather was bad because it can
get pretty rough in there. So he's like, I'm gonna pull up.
I'm gonna pull in this little bay here and I'm going to you know,
I'm going to anchor offshore and kind of have a nap and let the weather
pass right. So he pulls in there and he said, yeah, I
just you know, I put down my anchor and I'm about you know,
how did yards offshore maybe or you know, something like that, And I'm
tired. So he lays down and he's just having his snooze and then all
of a sudden, he said, for some reason, he just woke up.
I mean, he just something made him wake up. And he sat
up, and he's like, all of a sudden, man, his hair
stand on the back of his neck and whatever, and he's just, all
of a sudden, he's extremely fearful. And he stood up and he looked
out the windshield the front window of the boat standing on. Well. First
of all, he said, the tide had gone out. Why he was
there a little bit, and so he was closer to the beach than he
wasn't all of a sudden half of the beach and say, he said,
it's probably only about fifty yards of beach, and standing on the beach is
this huge hairy bipetal beach. He didn't a bi petal. I mean,
he said, dude was just like this huge, flipping hairy man and it's
standing on the beach and it's looking at him, and it's pacing back and
forth, and it's jumping up and down with his arms and it's going dude
just roaring at him, and it's it's like just like it's frustrated, and
he is trying to figure out how to get to his boat and it's gonna
kill him, and it's just anyways, and and this guy. I'm sitting
here and this guy is shaken man, and he could just he's white telling
me this story. So anyways, he's like, this thing gonna's gonna get
out here, and he's closer and all this stuff. So what he did,
he said, he started his boat and just gunned it backwards, and
he's dragging his anchor and he got far enough out into some deeper water to
where he felt relatively comfortable that he reached over and he pulled in his anchor
and he just hauled ass out of there. And he said behind him.
He looked behind him, and that thing would just pay you know what I'm
saying, like you see a crazy gorilla when they would throw him a lot
good and he'd throw it around and then he had paced it. You know
what I'm saying. That was yeah, December twenty seventeen or twenty and eighteen,
and that's in this arius, so it's still there. You know.
That's something that I've seen over the years is that places that once held sasquatches
do still hold sasquatches if the area has not changed significantly. And when I
mean when I say change, what I really mean by that is essentially paving.
As long as you don't pave in areas or develop it, or to
start, you know, built too many houses or something in the area,
the sasquatches are still going to be there. And this is to an extreme
example. I was talking to Moneymaker one time and he was telling me that
he was running an expedition in Florida and they ran into sasquatches, and upon
further investigation and research, they found that there were reports in that same area,
literally in that same area from the late eighteen hundreds. So if sasquatches
hang out in the same area, and that's also something that the more modern
data is yielding as well. One of our study areas at the North American
big Foot Center we are getting footprints, actually Boat two of our three of
our areas, we're getting footprints and finding sign like within just a few miles
and in some cases within just a few feet. Last August, I cast
a footprint, actually I cast a series of footprints down off the clock Miss
River and uh and this past May I found footprints within five feet of where
I cast them the previous August. So and certainly in a larger area,
and you know, let's say a five or ten you know, mile area,
they're hanging out there because if they're they're they're once, that means there's
resources there. And if that area doesn't change significantly, those resources are probably
still going to be there years, if not decades later. Here's a question
I have for you. I've got an area here unless I'm gonna use this
for example there that I just spoke to you about it. There Now,
I can continually go back up there, but I don't feel like I'm mueling
any result. You know what I'm saying, I don't. I'm not.
I'm kind of stumped after these all these years of running up there to this
picular area. But I'm comfortable there because I know the area and stuff like
that. But we here, we have a particular area where historically, and
like you have as well, what can I do, in your opinion,
to take it to the next level to where we could actually get something more
definitive. Well, let me ask you this, what have you been doing?
Well, what I've been doing is I've been doing the same same thing.
That about the only thing I know how to do. You go out
to an area, you spend some time there. Well, you go up
what I've been doing, identifying area where there's been ongoing and reoccurring sidings.
And my thought was, well, I'm going to go in an area where
there's that would yield me the highest likelihood of having an encounter with a sasquatch,
and this particular area, you know, it's one of those areas where
it seems that you've got something aggressive it's continually there, and have a confrontation
that allows you to get the to get the definitive evidence that you need.
Rather than just get in hair sample DNA and casting tracks. I guess right,
But have you been have you been casting prince and getting DNA samples in
what? Or is that the next level you're trying to get to? No,
my next level is I guess my next I've done that. I've done
those things, but other people are doing those things. So I don't think
that I need to do those things because I think, I guess what I'm
beating around the question. I guess what my point is. What I think
is that we've reached a stage in a game here where we need a body.
Yes, although are you aware of the DNA study that the new DNA
study this past sponsored by University in North Carolina. We had Derby or Cut
on our podcast I think just last week, and this seems to held a
great deal of hope for discovering the speed or recognizing the species. So no,
no, actually I'm not. I'll have to check that out. I'm
not familiar with that. Yeah, there's a new DNA study that holds a
lot of promise, whereas I don't. I never really did feel the other
ones did. Once you know they're they're at the beginning, we're all hopeful,
but at the end of the day, it seems like the other ones
weren't quite what they were intended to be. But this one seems Legit seems
to be on the up and up, and I'm putting my voice behind it
as best I can and trying to gather samples so I don't know, so
our listeners, and also for you to even feel free to go back at
last week and you can take a listen, because I think this might actually
be very promising. A body will be needed, sure, a body will
be needed, but maybe, hopefully not maybe this DNA thing can get it
done. I don't I don't strongly advocate for taking a body, even though
I do know those are the rules. I didn't write them, but those
are the rules for recognizing new species. It's just that I would be optimistic,
perhaps one of these rare moments of optimism from Cliff, that that perhaps
we can get this done without taking a specimen. I don't. I'm not
sure that can happen, but if there's a chance, I'm willing to take
it, because I'm not going to shoot one. You know, I'm a
danger to myself and others if I'm carrying around a huge I definitely wouldn't do
that either. I wasn't advocating that. Oh yeah yeah. But so hopefully
hopefully trace evidence something like body parts like hair or flesh samples or blood samples,
that would get it done. I think at this point according to Darby
orcat our guest last week and who's hitting this study. So I don't know,
I think that might be a good game changer. But how do you
get those things? Is, I guess is the next question? Yeah?
Because what my what what I want to do is I want to capture one
capture would how would you do that? I think I think it's possible.
I think it's possible, given given give if you can create a situation to
where it exposes itself in such a way because you've enraged it so much that
it's going to try to kill you and then it's going to get entrapped.
Why basically a person is baited, I think you could do it. What
would you do to make it so mad? I don't know. I don't
know, you know, but I'm in some people, a lot of people
in your listen, they're gonna laugh at this, but you know where I'm
at in the game, right now is I'm going to capture one. My
energy, My energy is going to be my energy and resources is going is
going into developing, but creating a few possibilities on capturing one, I think
you could do it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. No, no, would
would Capturing also entails a tranquilizing one or something or because because I'm one of
the things that people ask me is like, whoa why not try to capture
one? And I've thought about it. I've spent some time thinking about it,
and like, how do you capture something that's twelve hundred pounds has a
strength of fifteen or twenty men and not just weak men, because I have
the strength of ten men, but they're very, very weak men like that
fifteen or twenty like extraordinarily strong men all wrapped into one horrifying package. That's
pretty smart, you know, way smarter than the bears, way smarter than
the bears. And a lot of bears are smarter than the dumbest of tourists.
So like, how do you do that? Like what is I mean,
clearly not a spike pit or something like that or bear traps. They
don't work on this sort of thing. I've actually come I've I've actually been
working with somebody and we've come up with a number of entrapment devices. It
just may possibly work. But you know what I was thinking is, Okay,
I described as scenario for you where that really occurred, where someone had
trespassed, had taken something they shouldn't. It tracked them, it was enraged,
and it came after them. They just didn't know how to react to
it. So they call my dad to come save them. Now, let's
say you could recreate, recreate that kind of scenario, but without the sasquatch
knowing that you're going to try to get them. So you would have to
have it sounds like, in this particular, like this specific scenario, you
would have to get like tribal permission. Oh absolutely, absolutely, absolutely,
yes, Yeah, I mean that's a given. Well, yeah, that's
a given that I think that alone would be tough. But I mean,
I don't want to the poop on your parade or anything. I'm just I'm
just I'm thinking out loud with you. Think of me as troubles shooting,
not shooting down your idea by the way. No, and that's good because
I'm just I'm throwing this stuff out because I'm frustrated with what I've been doing
for the last five years. You know what I'm saying, I don't really
care. You know, It's it's time. Okay. How many more track
castings do I personally want? You know? And I'm speaking for me because
I'm not you know, I say, well, yeah, I do bigfoot
research, but really I don't. I mean, maybe I do, but
really, my whole goal as I'm hunting, I'm going you know, I'm
hunting Sasquatch. I'm hunting him. I want to catch up with him.
I want to have a serious encounter with the guy. You know, I
want to figure you know that. That's really what I'm after is chasing down
interactions and encounters with Sasquatch. And that's why I focus on the areas that
I have, especially on the PC Coast and going into Port chadam, Alaska.
Like Port chadam, Alaska, the reason we went there is it was
a high likelihood of a serious confrontation based on Lauren Edge and historical stuff.
Oh yeah, well, you know, let's talk about Port Chattam a little
bit, so give us a little background on Port Chattam for our listeners who
may not know that much about it, and then tell us about your role
in well in putting it back on the map, so to speak, for
those of them may be unaware. Port Chattam, Alaska, is on the
northern tip of the Kenai Peninsula, the end of the Kenai Peninsula catch Macbay.
It is very remote, but it's essentially forty five miles by boat down
Catchmcbay from Homer, Alaska, and it was in seventeen eighty six Nathaniel Port
Luckey's a British guy explorer. They found it a little like fur trading posts
there or whatever, and then it grew into a fishing village, and then
it grew into a canary and had a huge cannery there that they had built.
And so it went from fur trading to salmon processing, cannery stuff,
and it ran up until essentially nineteen fifty. But over that time I am
starting in like the I think the first death occurred, and recorded death occurred
somewhere around you know, between nineteen ten and nineteen twenty. But legend has
it that they have a creature in the area there that's called the Nantanock,
which is essentially their version of a sasquatch. Nansenock means like Harryman or Harry
Beast or something like that. While long and the short of it is that
the town was eventually after a number of mysterious deaths, people being ripped apart,
disappearing, finding body parts, you know, stuff, get people just
getting ripped to shreds when they go out. That people were afraid, the
natives were afraid, who were primarily the ones that worked in the cannery.
So they completely closed the place and everybody abandoned it in nineteen fifty and no
one ever went back. And it's probably the most horrific story related to,
you know, a Sasquatch type of deal ever, because there was so many
factual, factual basis for it. There. You can find reports that people
were killed under mister circumstances, people went missing, There was a lot of
documentation. They even had information that was taken out of the cannery manager's log
where you know, certain dates this app and blah blah blah stuff like that.
So anyway, so the town was essentially abandoned in nineteen fifty. People
say the postmaster was the last guy to leave or whatever. But they abandoned
the town and they moved moved out of there up a bit, and so
the place was like bad medacine, man. I mean the story. People
will talk about it for seventy years. Everybody's talking about this story, about
this evil place, and then people did shows about it and all that.
But no one, no one ever went out there. They were afraid.
So I'm on Vancouver Island line of my own business, doing my sasquatch stuff
up there, you know, and I get an email from a guy and
he says, hey, man, you ever hear the story of Port Chataw,
Alaska. You ought to go check this out. And that was in
two thousand and you know, beginning to two thousand and eighteen. And I
was absolutely fascinated by the story, absolutely fascinated in the fact that no one
had been there. So I started doing all this research and decided that,
man, this sounds like the perfect place to go, a perfect place to
go, because you evidently have something there that chase people away. It's aggressive,
the likelihood of having a serious encounter is off the chart. So I
gotta go. I gotta go. But it took me about you know,
once I put the plan in motion, it took me about six seven months
just to get permission to go in there. And why is that? Like?
What what kind of like permission did you need? You don't I want?
As soon as I found out that it was the land was owned by
own owned by one of the native tribes. And yeah, and secondly,
it is a Native historical site, which is another thing. So I wanted
to make sure that, you know, I'm not going on somebody's land without
their permission and whatnot. And but dude, let me tell you, it
took six months to figure out to finally get in contact with with those people
an authority that would allow me to go out there. And here's an interesting
fact about it too. Once people in the area that had relatives that had
grown up in Port Chattam, Alaska, you know, before it was abandoned,
there were some people that I think there's even might be a couple maybe
that are still alive, that actually were children there. But I started getting
flooded with calls and emails from people saying, don't go there. You go
there, you're gonna die, It's cursed, it's an evil place. Stay
away from there. And then I even got a few threats of my life
if I did decide to go there. I mean, dude, it was
terrible and it was like holy smokers man. And it's like people were they
were just terra petrified. They didn't want anybody going there because they thought that
it might rekindle the n Antinock. I mean, I got some weird phone
calls and I got a lot of emails to that regard. But I also
was able to talk with some people that gave me realistically, you know,
what it was like and what's going there. So anyway, so we got
permission to go in there, and that's where Adam Davis comes in. Oh
yeah, yeah. Adam's of course a great friend of ours and ours being
everybody, but he's also been on the podcast before. He and just love
the guy. Love the guy to bits, you know. So I wasn't
going to go in there. I wasn't going to go in there by myself.
So I'll say, okay, well, now I got to start thinking
about who I want to go with, right And you know, this was
before things really started rolling. It was it was very fortuitous. I met
met Adam up up in Campbell River. It was kind of a weird He
just happened to be up there. He was somebody else that I knew,
and he put us together and I said, hey, man, I said,
this is all great and dandy here on Vancouver, but let me tell
you about Port Lock, Alaska. Would you like to go? Yeah?
I think Adams didn't know anything like that. Oh dude, I remember He's
like, bloody hell, yes, you know that kind of thing. But
then we cut, you know, we put things together from there, and
uh man, the June that following June, we we went and we thought,
well, we're just flying to Homer. Man, we'll charter a boat
and we'll go out there, right. And well we get we get to
Homer and it's like we're trying to find somebody to take us out there.
No one wanted to take us out there. So everyone knew where it was,
but no one was willing to do it. They were not willing to
do it. And people said, if you go out there, you're gonna
die. You don't want to go out there, and I don't want to
go out there with you, and blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm
like, oh, man, okay, well I guess the both things out.
So then I start calling, you know, like a helicopter and all
these charter planes. Right, well, I guess we'll fly out there.
We'll go with Plan B. Nobody even wanted to fly us out there.
And through some weird circumstances at the sitting at the bar at the Salty Dog,
somebody over heres talking and a gentleman says, well, I'll take you
out there. It's like a movie or something like yeah seriously, because we
were just, we were just and he was like he was a wild man.
He's like, yeah, I'll take you out there. So anyways,
and so rate so we worked out a deal with him, and the next
morning we got up early and drove us out to you know, took us
out there, and man, it's forty two miles. Doesn't seem that long,
but I bought you know, it's like two hours. Oh that's forever
on a boat. Yeah, yeah, because if you're doing ten or fifteen
knots per hour on the water, you're going pretty fast. Yeah. So
anyways, and so man, we're just, you know, and we're nervous
too. Don't get me wrong, I'm nervous too, because we don't know
what to expect. But dude went for us to go out there, to
me in the Bigfoot resource world or whatever I mean for me or whatever I
can understand. I kind of could relate to what those guys felt like the
first of Pollo mission that landed on the Moon. I mean, to me,
it was like that, because here we are, We're going to a
place if just people have been so petrified to this place. No one's gone
out here for seventy flipping years, you know, and all this, and
here we are, and we're going to be the first, you know.
And so anyway, so he takes us out. You know, we take
our boat right out there, and I just remember it was in June and
it was near the summer solstice, and we do whether we got logistic,
I mean, it was exquisite. It was beautiful. The trip was out
there, and we pulled into this bay and we're just looking around and you're
like, oh, okay, we're kind of orienting ourselves with us where okay
we see and then you see the little building, you know, so he
kind of figured out where we were at. We had a map and all
that, but he takes us in there and it was dude, it was
absolutely gorgeous day. I just remember that, and the place was just full
of sea orters, you know, big sea autters rolling around there. Along
the short of this, the boat guy, we kind of orient ourselves where
we're at the where the old town was, and we did a little looking
around there and then we're like, okay, where's he going to drop us
off? Because basically gonna drop us, he's gonna come back and get us
in three days. So we found a spit and he was happy to kick
us off the boat and he said, hey, by the way, do
you guys have a satellite phone? We said no, and he goes,
what's wrong with you? And he gave us a satellite phone and he said
every twelve hours, I want you to t X me all is well,
and then he booging and got out of there and it was just me and
Adam and Joe sire cameraman. Wow, wow, the cameraman. So that's
something to note too, is that people can actually see this adventure for themselves
because you produced a documentary out of it. Right, well, that was
the follow up one, but the recon was a three day thing and I'm
going I'm sorry, I'm a little long here. But what I have to
tell you is this, we didn't sleep the whole time. I when I
say that, literally we were scared. I there was so much anxiety,
and we were scared and we were on edge, and so we didn't even
sleep the first you know, we would alternate every couple hours. You know,
someone could get a twenty minute nap, but we were constant on guard,
and we were very visual because we didn't know what to expect well.
And also, and I know that the place is clearly has some bad juju
going on, you know, like there's there's some there's legends about this place,
like this whole thing has been built up in your mind. But on
top of that, there's a real possibility that there's a The Sasquatches there have
learned that they can chase people away and be terrible to them. But correct
me if I'm wrong. But there are brown bears there too, right,
dude, there are Let me tell you something I've never The highest concentration of
black bears is on the Kenai Peninsula and in Alaska, right, and then
there is those huge Kodiak brown bears. And when we were hiking around,
when we were walking around the old town side of Port Chatam, Alaska,
there was so much bear scat. I mean, it was like you thought
that there must have been a whole town of bear there. It's everywhere and
man, and then we stumbled across a brown bear track that was the hugest
bear track I'd ever seen in my entire life. And we never ran into
any of them. But I remember when we one morning when we went in
there here, one of the piles was still steaming and it was huge.
But there were bears everywhere, and you never saw one though he never thank
god, we never well, I did see one, not on this trip.
To me, that's almost scarier because you knew that you were you were
there, you were in the middle of it. They were around, maybe
not fifty of them, but there were a handful of these things around,
and you never saw one. To me, that's almost creepier. One of
the things that we and you're bringing up a good point, and this is
overlooked and even sometimes I forget about it. But we did note some interesting
things when we were there. And one of the things that we noted was
there seemed to be a division of land. There seemed to be a barrier
between half like split the kind of split half of port locked Port Chadam where
the bears did not go like we're we're hiking around and we hiked. Originally
we hiked like we did. Somebody had one of those things where we keep
tracking, but we did like eight point six miles. I mean seriously,
we were covering some ground because we had a limited, limited part of time
be there. But one of the things that we did notice is there there
is an air yeah that once you crossed this invisible barrier, there was zero
bear sign. It's like the bears that not go there and which which was
odd, but we know it was almost you know, we noticed it after
a little bit because it's like, that's strange. Why is all this bear
sign and bear tracks and bear poop and they're eating all the berries. But
then you get over on this side and and there's no barrier. I mean
there's berries everywhere there. Bears haven't touched them. There's absolutely nope, we
haven't come across any bears. Get no bear tracks or anything that is odd.
That is odd. Yeah, what did you what did you find on
that side of the track, so to speak, like what did you find
in the no bear zone? That gave you some idea perhaps what what what
that was all about. When we were in the no Bear Zone, Okay,
there was a couple of things that we noticed. One of them is
the no Bearer Zone bordered the there's a lagoon and this is a lagoon where
allegedly they found body parts, you know, ripped up body parts, washed
down, endless to go. And the No Bear Zone was the area that
bordered that lagoon. And secondly, when we were hiking around that area,
first of all, we kind of got the feeling that something was watching us,
you know how you get kind of get that feeling. But secondly,
we kept hearing this a little running and stop running and stop running and stop
foot foot like foot poundings or kind of yeah yeah yeah. And it was
up the ridge, you know, it was behind us, but as we
moved in a circular, it stayed on the ridge kind of above us.
But paralleled this and I never it was really thick, you know, and
so we we we don't know, but we kept hearing it and there was
something there. Don't know what it was, but there was something there.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. I think I caught a little bit of one of
these documentaries that you were in about this. And if I remember right,
the ground is basically padded moss everywhere you look, So there's not a lot
of opportunity for subs, for tracks and good substrate. Right, yeah,
no, there isn't. There isn't. Subsequent to this, after we'd exhausted,
Okay, because I've been there three times and I don't want to confuse
and a couple of trips, so I'm going to back up real quick.
And then the trip that I did with Adam when we went in there.
If you haven't seen the flur video that was captured during that trip, I
highly recommend it. You can see it. It's available on episode two of
the Alaska Triangle. We actually provided it to him. Oh I was on
that show, actually, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, you
weren't. I'm not in that episode, of course, but yeah, I
was on. I was on that series. So yeah. And by the
way, I have film of when that actually occurred, and and and I
was looking at it the other day. Basically, what was caught on that
flur was some Adam was doing, you know, some of his calling.
You know what I'm saying, how he does Dad? Who right? Because
we were trying to it was getting to be here last night there and you
know it's dark and and everything and and whatnot, and all of a sudden
he starts doing that. We thought we heard something coming from way up on
this ridge. We thought we heard something. So it immediately I've got the
flur and uh and we're looking up there and we're handing the flair back and
forth whatever, and I'm going, look and I noticed something that it's something
came over the top of the ridge and started coming down and I'm going,
holy crap. And anyways, and so I gave it, you know,
I said, Adam, take a look at this man. And you know
when he's got it and he's flurring up there and this thing it was like
comes running over the top hill. Appears that way came over the top hill
and started coming down the and I'm like it appeared to be by Pete whatever.
And anyways, it was in Joe Siah is actually filming this as it's
occurring, and here it is, and I, like I said, I
was just looking at it and you can actually see the fear in my face,
and then I start telling at him, stop yelling, you know,
stop doing your thing, stop doing your calling, because whatever it is,
you've irritated it, you've agitated it, and I don't want it coming down
any farther down that hill. So anyways, there's a good clip of that
Flair video that they have on that show. When we did the first movie,
when we came back in September of eight, twenty eighteen, and we
did actually shot the movie in search of the Porch Chadam Harryman. During that
trip, we did find some tracks and we but you know what I'm saying,
We did find some really good impressions and we try to show them the
best that we can in the film, but there weren't really anything that was
was castable. But we did find those and when we were following those up
into what I called the Valley of Death, you follow them up into this
wooded area and it's and it's a valley, but it opens up into a
really grassy metal once you get through the woods. We had identified the trackway
and we started following it. We kind of spread out and we're going up
there and I call it the Valley of Death. I have to give names
to everything, because you know, they said people would go up the valley
and they would never come back. You know, that was part of the
alleging. But as you're going up the valley, there's this thing had it
was they were very very fresh, because as it's going up through the hills,
you know, you could see the fresh dirt where it's toes were grabbing,
and we measured it was about fourteen inches and there was actually a couple
imprints and where it stepped on a log, and then after that it would
just started running up the hill right and you could see the stride and where
the toes had dug into the dirt. And we were right behind this thing,
and it was in the morning, and we're following up up that valley
there, and we're kind of spread out and like a wedge formation. You
know, Beans is up front, he's but he's to the right, and
I'm on one side of this valley and we're coming up and as we're going
up that track way, I'm looking to forward, but out of the corner
of my eye, something darts in between two trees and it was just quick
and there was a gap of about twenty feet in between two trees and something
very tall and gray and lanky, lanky dude just darted between two trees and
I just caught a profile of it. I immediately said, stopped, everybody.
I said, holy bleep, bleep, bleep, whatever, don't move,
man. I just saw something dart between two trees. And I called
everybody in the radio and they said, get over here, man, because
it's I just saw something. We're on the trail of something. But here
was the interesting thing. I'm like, what's it doing? What's it doing?
And the valley that we were going into actually was a dead end.
Oh, some sort of box canyon sort of, yes, it was a
box canyon. And so we're moving forward. We're on the trail of whatever
this thing is and we're moving forward and and it turns out it's a boss
canyon, and I'm like, what's this thing going to do? Well,
it had two choices. It was either we were going to run it into
the rock. We're going to run it to the dead end and then or
it's going to you know, so what it is. It made a break
for it. We're pushing it up there that was running out of room,
and so just that whatever it was decided to make a get around us.
It was either that or he's going to come out on the beach. That
was your only option. It's gonna run dead end or or we're gonna chase
you right out of the beach. And it made a break for it and
just got around behind us. That that was it. And then for subsequently
Beans Beans got some short but really good floor video. I recommend you check
it out. He got some muffler. So that that was that the trip
that that was That was exciting, not bad, not bad footprints a part
all but a sure sighting you know. That's that's pretty cool, plus a
little bit of flair video. It sounds like a super successful expedition and that
and that was part of this documentary In Search of the Port Chadam Harry in
correct. So you can see all this, so you can see this as
it kind of is unfolding it. Yeah, it's it's a long movie,
but we try to cover stuff. But there's a lot of people they they
they're not watching the entire movie, but yeah, no, it's in there.
And check out the Flur video. The clip at the Flur video.
We show the impressions there and some other things. But it's pretty good stuff.
Insummation on the Port Chatham thing. Subsequent to this, you know,
we came up and we redid the episode for the Travel Channel for you know,
for their series. We came back a third time, so I've been
in there three times. Who came back and we did that the following May,
and that was May of twenty nineteen. By that time, we had
covered that area there pretty well. I mean pretty well, but we could
never really stay more than you know, three four days at a time,
right. One of the things that was significant and I put this out and
I was really disappointed because when we were fu allow on those that track way
up the Valley of Death, it was heading up to that Box canyon where
it kind of ended and then it goes up eight hundred and forty feet and
it's it's almost straight up. It's almost straight up, and there's a stream
that runs down through there. But up on top of that is a lake.
It's there's a lake up there, and I call it the Lake of
No Return because people would you know, that was one of the areas where
people would go and not come back as well, because that's where the doll
sheep were, you know, because that kind has its ringing around it.
But we sent a drone up there. We sent it drone up there to
scout and see what is up there. And when you get up there where
plateaus, there's that little lake there, and three quarters of it is just
straight cliffs up and down and kind of like rock slides, and then it
has a flat area like a bench. But what we spotted up there appeared
to be could be potentially cave entrances in the cliff side up there. We
never we were going to do a follow up trip. If I was to
go back into Port Chattam, Alaska, that's all I would do is I'd
go up there and I would chop her and I would land up there and
spend a few days right there and investigate that. And so we were finished
in twenty nineteen. Then they came in and they did that show Alaskan Killer
big Foot, and they spent a month or whatever in Port Chatham, right,
and no one they didn't even bother to go up there, So missed
opportunity. Well that was their first time in there, of course, right,
So, and they weren't building upon what you had done already. Yeah,
Yeah, they they got a lot of information, you know, from
watching all the things that we did, and some of it they incorporated into
their show to a degree which is evident, but they never did follow through
with that, which was a real disappointment. So the reason I'm putting this
out is this, if anybody's going to bother going back into Port Chattaw,
Alaska, please complete the mission and go up there to that lake, because
I think that's that's really the only area that wasn't covered that well, it
I wasn't covered, No one ever went there. And secondly, that's probably
a good opportunity to explore because of some of the historical stuff about when people
at the doll Sheep are up there. And secondly, there could be what
appeared to be some cave intrances where something could live in a cave. Sounds
like that's more than enough reason to go back and go check out that particular
area. Yeah, so I encourage somebody to do it. Well, you
know, Stephen, we have a I don't know if you can stick around
a little bit longer. We do have a membership side of things. I'd
like to speak to you more about this particular area, some of your other
adventures and even some of your personal sidings that I know you've had, but
we didn't mention for some reason to this podcast. We just didn't get to
it. Could you have a little bit more time that you can spare for
me today? Well? Yeah, sure, okay, Well let's do this.
Let's let's let's wrap up this episode of big Foot and Beyond here with
Cliff and usually Bobo, and then we can go and record for our members
after this, if that's okay with you. But yeah, so thank you
so much Stephen for coming on the podcast. I've been trying to get you
for a while because I knew you'd be a fantastic guests. You're so interesting,
you have so many adventures under your belt, You're so enthusiastic about life
in general, and it just comes through for everybody listening. This is Steven
Major, and he has been on a ton of stuff, but we've been
talking about In Search of the Porch Chatham Harryman. Where can people see this
or buy it? Or because people are going to want to put their eyes
on this, you can see In Search of the Port Chatham Harryman is available
on our YouTube channel for free. If you like commercials and what is your
YouTube channel. It's it's Extreme Expeditions Northwest LLC. And of course, by
the way, Stephen said that you can see this for free on his YouTube
channel, and the link is in the show notes, so just go ahead
and click that and I'll bring you right over there to the YouTube channel you
can check out all the things that Steven's up to. Stephen, thank you
very much. Once again, I really sincerely appreciate you coming on and members,
stay tuned. We'll be talking to Stephen on the members episode. Thank
you very much everybody for tuning into big and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo.
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