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is only let's take a look here, and not that it matters all the
time, right, but still twenty seven and twenty sevens and four seconds when
you take all the credits, the recap and the stuff before. Oh my
goodness, but mister Field, what did you think of this episode? I'm
gonna just say this right now. I can't stand these fucking cliffhangers anymore.
Oh my god, it's just one of the most brulest things ever. But
what I think about the episode, I thought it was I thought it was
great. I thought it was it was it was yeah, And I don't
don't have like a huge excessive amount of cons aside from some of the the
dialogue was a little bit yeah, But I thought I thought it was fine.
It was cool, to kind of get a little bit more expansion on,
of course the story and get a little bit more detail on just the
world that we're kind of we're in right now. And I, yeah,
I don't. I don't have a lot of negatives. So when I think
in retrospect about how people some people got to see like the first three episodes,
some people got to see the first four, right, so no one
really knows what happens after this. I think most people saw the first four
that were critics and everything. Yeah, so yeah, it's I'm just I'm
at this point, I am exceptionally excited for what's going to be happening next
and just to see where things go after this episode. I feel like this
episode, well it was on that shorter span compared to the other three.
It definitely to me, it feels almost like that episode where we had was
it Mando, where we had Grogu and I wish I could remember the Jedi's
name. I'm at best played the Jedi. I can't remember what the idea
was, But yeah, that was a that was a significantly short episode.
Keller and Beck that's his name, So that was a that was a shorter
episode. And I feel like, Okay, we got to cover so much
like crazy ground and just that in that that's that storyline there. So for
me, that feels like that was this episode. Well, it was a
shorter one, we got to cover a lot of ground things. It's really
expedited rather quickly, where the episode starts off slow, but it feels like
you have a lot of pause between moments of characters kind of feeling things out
and having things kind of emanate from their conversations with their characters. Once it
kind of gets to the back half near the end, things are like really
really freaking like escalating and like okay, we're we're gearing out, we're going
And that's why I think episode five is going to be an absolute banger.
I'm stoked. I hate seeing everyone just shitting on this show. Tweet his
own there's there's enough Star Wars now that everyone can have that little bit of
stuff. Whatever they want, they can they can enjoy. But man,
this show's good. This show's I'm really really loving it so far. That's
good. I'm glad to hear some of the podcasts is loving this. Yeah,
I did not really enjoy this episode at all, and I think this
is now hurt the rest of the series. For me, it's nothing to
do with the lore, it's nothing to do with the force. Just comes
down to me to some poor, poor writing, and they did to me
a something very big here with a character decision that I was not a fan
of. So this is coming from some guy that has been liking and enjoying
it. As I've said before, didn't have major pros, but didn't have
major cons and some major pros that's always I got to say, like,
yeah, Soul, but that's like everybody it's like, oh, Soul's the
best, right, But I also was, like the other people that had
all did this, this is off. And for again, the runtime it
doesn't matter that much because it's more just an easy thing to point out because
it's one of the issues. But as I said before, on this episode,
other ones where you look at x N ninety seven, some of those
episodes were around this, maybe six minutes long or whatever, and I would
always feel satisfied with those, right, this was a week where I did
not feel satisfied because I also feel like half of this episode was just walking
around and not really doing anything vital. I think there's a big storyline that's
going in a direction that I'm not really looking forward to. So, yeah,
episode five has to do a lot, but I don't think they can
fix the things they did in this one for me, because they're jumping off
points where they're going a certain route and now it's like, Okay, we're
heading that direction and we can't really stop now unless there's some big can they
pull off? But yeah, so when you said there was like an off
area that go juicy stuff, I don't really think there's any juice in here.
I think it's this episode's kind of juiceless other than like the last thirty
seconds, but like nothing we hadn't seen in a trailer. You know.
It's it's like what's to get hyped about? Really? You know, it's
just and I Chris brought up a great point when we were talking about that.
I swear, if they do some shit where there's some really cool stuff
but we don't see it and they just move forward and like characters talk about
what happened and the show does that, it's like, oh God, Like
so yeah, no, this is actually the one that tipped me into the
negative where I was pretty neutral, I'd say neutral to liking it. Enjoying
it, but now, yeah, this is too much going on. Look,
Scott mchellan is in the chat. I agree with Travis, which happens
a lot nowadays me and him. See I we didn't used to but yeah,
this episode just there's especially when we get into spoilers, there's something that
happened last week that I praise it for being like, oh, I really
like this route they're going because they're doing something different than what I expected,
and they kind of threw it all away in this episode. It made me
not care about a certain character, a character that I probably cared the most
about up to this point. So, yeah, this was not a good
one. And so I'm not on the bandwagon of the people that are all
destroyed the force and oh there's this couple and the babies. No, that's
not why I'm negative, but I can completely get I can understand why some
people didn't like it before, but especially with this episode. I especially there's
people that saw the four I'm like, oh, yeah, like buck up,
I can see that now. I'm on a different wave length as Taylor.
As far as now, I'm not really I'm not really excited for next
week now, and that's a bummer because I've been excited for each week,
but this one was, Yeah, they just kind of tipped their hand of
showing the quality of the show. Maybe they can say it back. I'm
not saying it's the worst show ever. I'm not saying it's the worst Star
Wars. I'm not saying I'm not going to be watching because there's still few
things I'm curious about, but like, yeah, it just just this one
fell pretty flat for me unfortunately. So maybe you know this is halfway out
the season, maybe you can save it. But that's not a good thing.
And I've I've been here before. I've been here with Mando, I've
been here with Boba where we talk about oh yeah, maybe the back half
and it's either the same or it gets worse. So I'm interested to get
into spoilers and compare notes. But this was not Yeah, No, this
wasn't good. And they just, especially with the call the of TV out
there right now, they they do gotta step it up. And see someone
asked me last week, They're like, what is because last week very controversial
right chat was popping off and everything like that. We'll get to that chat
after Andrew and like someone asked, like, what's your big red line?
And I don't think this cross it being a big red line, because there's
still things I do enjoy. But it is the sense of like, if
all shows continue to be like this, that's where it's just that you just
gotta get less excited and maybe you do stop watching eventually. Right, So
we'll have to see. But I think this show made a critical error in
one character in particular. Oh yeah, thank you, Andrew. Yeah,
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interesting one No, all right, so we're gonna take a break and then
we'll be right back with spoilers and we're back. So Andrew says, bro
Monday looks like a liar. Now, So was that the Monday? Was
that the like the same one from the prequels and everything? So it was,
Hey, that's the one, So that that's even more of a problem.
Now, I think that's the juicy thing. That's the juice thing I
wanted to talk to you about. Yeah, I just I don't know.
It's one of those things we talked about. It before where it is they're
walking a fine line of I've always said this before where I don't think the
when people oh, Anakin is not special anymore, that's your interpretation. I
think he still is in a certain sense. But I don't even think Anakin's
that special. It's Luke, you know. Luke's the one that is the
special one. And for me, but that whole thing of hey, the
Phantom, like the Jed, I don't know about the Phantom, Menace and
the cyth. And I've always said I'm not a fan of going back and
directly changing certain plot points that George does because those are his movies and those
the original and he created this, right, That's why I'm always wanted to
move forward or go very far back to George in touch. And then you
can do that. And this isn't even that far back because Monday's right there
and he's in the prequels right, So for me even then too before you
go, because I'll show some more of the nuts, negatives, mar critiques,
and then you can try and tell us your side. It's not so
much too that Monday's there, which I think he's he is the one that
oh, we haven't seen the Seth the Sith in the millennia or whatever,
right, So that is odd. They never say that in the little meeting
room there, so you can go that route. But I also just I
didn't think that fit a Jedi, where this is the Jedi at their height
of the power, or at the end of the height of their power.
They're doing very well for them to say, hey, there's this thing going
on, but we're not going to tell the council. I just didn't buy
that, because even in the prequels, when they are to me at their
dumbest, they still will go blabber on to the council, you know.
So I just didn't buy that something potentially is so big they wouldn't inform on
to get some sort of knowledge. It just it just didn't fit with me
kind of overall. That's not the thing that got me uninterested, by the
way, I just kind of forgot about I was gonna ask about that.
It's a different plot point, but I can't. I have more of a
problem with that one, and I'll wait to see how they play it.
But that whole area, I have more problem with that than the Force babies
and the whole the thread which I never cared about, Like, that's the
thing, right, I go ah, I don't know about that choice.
I don't know if that's something you had to do. I'll let it play
out. But as of right now, and especially with some of the other
writing things, I'm not too confident about it. So let's see Monday was
in the credits and wasn't even alive yet? Is that true? Is he
not alive? That is just changing too. People are saying he wasn't even
alive. But again, I don't know what is like, I have no
I don't know baseline for how old he's actually supposed to be. People like
people keep checking on the Wikipedia, like the Star Wars wiki and says,
oh, he was born like ninety something years before Battle of Yavint, But
it's like, well, where's that source from. I don't even know if
the many modern day like actual Cannon books even talk about that that might be
true. I will because I'm not going to be that person. So here,
Ravana Andrew, we're not saying you're wrong. Nine three B B Y.
All I want to see is just like last week when people were complaining
about the prophecy and they couldn't give me the answer, I said, we're
in the prophecy to say Anakin has to be born out of like unnatural causes.
If you can find us a source of everything like that, not saying
you're wrong, just saying like, hey, give us that backstory, right,
if it's some canon, if it's some legends and all, I'm not
gonna count that. If that is true, that's an odd one. And
that's something where to me where it's like, if Dave Felonia is here a
part of the show, he's supposed to be the cannon guy and he can't
really get that, that to me would be a big blunder. And that
comes down to stuff that we've talked about before. It is a true thing,
right where Feloni at times in the books and comics has shown that he
doesn't even care about the cannon right, Like, look at the saws Terrists.
They brought her back, they didn'tver Oh, we're gonna explain the show.
They didn't explain the show, right, they never explained how she was
back. Right, I'm asking you, right, And that's what I mean.
So it's like sometimes they you know, this podcast a long time ago
start as Cantina conversations and What was the main conversation we talked about many times
was hashtag Cannon doesn't matter to Star Wars. And I think if there is
proof that Monday was not even alive yet and here he is a is a
grown man, that's a big no no. And that's stuff that like I
can get why Star Wars fans would fucking hate. Like imagine if we were
to watch Endgame and they showed Peter Parker alive in World War Two and we'd
be like, what the fuck is going on? Like this doesn't make any
sense? But uh yeah, that's how the film can in and that bothers
me. So try what what are you feeling about Monday and all this going
on? Obviously, put the age thing is unless you have updates. But
if you don't have any updates, put that aside, because that's something I
can't find updates on the age thing. I really just don't. I'm curious.
I really want to know where people are sourcing it. And you can't
say, like Star Wars wiki because it doesn't care. I agree with you.
You can't know that could be anything. Yeah, yeah, so uh
now I think Ravena in the chat kind of to such a mom what I'm
getting into here. I think I strongly think that Okay, you have this
this this Jedi meeting or this this basic council, and they're all talking about
one second, they say plagues novel. I don't think that's can anymore,
is it? No, the PA novels in canon, And that's what I'm
saying, you got to play by the rules. Has to be Disney Cannon.
And if you don't like Disney Cannon, that's fine, but this is
a Disney Cannon show. So continue the So you basically have the councils talking
away, doing their own thing. And oh what is her name of Venicetras?
She has like the horns and everything, right, No, okay,
fuck me right? Not yeah, it doesn't have the horns, yeah not
not yeatt'll yeah, Vernestra okay, Baresa. She's from the the the junior
like teenager higher public novels, green skin, purple lightsaber, web weapon.
You don't like her, yes, okay. So she's basically leading this council
at this at this little session, right, And so here here's the interesting
thing. You have Kaddy Mendy who's present there, and you have Master Soul
and all these characters, And so the kicker here is that they're talking about
another another like someone okay, who is trained what sounds like the Jedi arts,
who has really really good training, even though they're calling her out like
oh, she's emotionally compromised, YadA, YadA, YadA, but she's still
she killed two Jedi masters. So that's really really potent. So I think
that what was happening here, while they didn't technically drop the word sith,
I think that the fact that they chose not to tell the Higher Council because
Ronestra's like, oh, if they tell that, we tell a higher council,
the Council is going to go and tell the Senate and then we have
a whole thing on our hands and we don't need that boom. That is
a huge red flag and that is the first step to this this downfall of
the Jedi right there. And I, okay, I think I think that's
that's a huge, a huge, developed, developing development. That's just a
huge pivotal that's the word moment for the Jedi right then and there. And
I think that it's crazy that they made that that deduction or not deduction,
and that choice and decision on their own like that, for whatever the reasons
are that they were addressing in that and that small council to not tell the
higher Jedi order and the or Jedi Council, who would then tell the Senate.
It's very, very reflective of the Jedi that we are going to get
in the prequel era. Now, what I like about Caddy Mondy being there,
and that was a complete surprise because you had the show runners talk about
how we're not going to have big cameos, no Yoda and Ya, and
then obviously we get this. But I think that there's a reason. Well
but I think that there's a reason for this. I don't think so it's
a big cameo. To me, big cameo is the general audience can name
a person, you show a photo, or you show a photo of the
of this guy. I think people know that head, so you don't forget
a head like that. So you think you could bring Mads into this room
on prompted and say who is this and she said Caddy Monday. Well she
said the name, no, but the guy. She'll know the guy.
No, it's a name. That's to me, that could just be all
that's that species. But most people don't know Grogu. They just say baby
Yoda, right, So it doesn't always matter with the name. Just know
the look. That's still bigger. That's still bigger. More people know Grogu
than Ketty Bundy, I promise, I promise you that. But to cut
in closing with with Keddy Muddy, I think what is so potent here is
again, well, they didn't drop the word sith. I think it's very
crazy that this small council is having this discussion that Okay, there are Dark
Side Force users out there, and they're already covering it from the prior Jedi
Council, and they're covering it up from the Senate, and so now you
have this whole Whatever happens with this encounter that we get next week, it's
gonna be fucking devastating. All M'd say at least fifty percent, maybe seventy
five percent of Jedi, which are kind of fodder Jedi, are going to
die, and that we're going to go back on a mission. Oh yeah,
it's going to come back to that small council meeting and Caddy Bunny's gonna
be there and they're gonna like, okay, we've got to keep the secret
because they can't let the Republic and anyone know, Okay that we're threatened because
they haven't dealt with a syth in a long time. Like at this point,
you're dealing with like the fallout of the Nye Hill, You're dealing with
what were the green plant things called again, like you're You're just dealing with
a whole bunch of things. And so the Jedi had to deal with like
Starlight Beacon being destroyed too, So there's a whole lot of stuff that really
rattled them to get to the point where they're at now and for this to
happen. They don't they don't want to show like I'm almost almost, they
don't want to showcase them and show any weakness at this point to the galaxy.
So when this happens, we're seeing them start to crumble and just kind
of like like coop up inside and like, Okay, we need to keep
the secret, keep this low key. We don't want to cause a stir
or a panic, and we don't want the higher ups to be worrying about
this. So here you have Caddy Mundy in on the secret where and I'm
pretty I feel confident about them playing off of this line, and this is
them retroactively going back and change how George was looking at this story obviously,
because at the time Caddy Money was genuinely serious, like, oh this Fith
haven't been seen for a millennia. But now I think they're changing it and
making a Caddy Money was in on a cover up to keep this like low
key secret. I think that's what they're trying to do. Don't like that.
Don't like that at all. So here's the thing I think. One
I I just laugh at you're like they're when they're like, oh, we
got to cover We can't let the Council of this thing will be happening and
then all these Jedi are gonna be dead, like, oh, we can't
let them know. It's like Jedi, oh yeah, it's like, so
what do you let them know? Like they they rogue, It'd be different
if you didn't let them know, found the Sith took them out. Okay,
we don't need to speak of it. They're gonna kill a bunch of
Jedi and you're not gonna go to the High Cant like that for me is
still just not fitting. I think you made some good points, but I
think the problem is you like you are portraying and bringing a lot of stuff
that you know. If a person that's not read any of that books does
not know this, I don't think they said the backstory up enough. I
think that's another This is why the run time is not a problem. It
just depends what you pack in it. Right. It's like that expression like
putting two pounds of shit or ten pounds of shit in a two pound bag.
That's the issue where I think you could explain all this. You could
do these things, not just comparing it because it's one of the best shows
on TV, but if it could be like a House of Dragon and it's
like you have time to explain the backstory, the motivations, where these characters
are, why they are, why the society is like this. If you've
not watched this, like or sorry, if you're a general audience and you've
not read the Higher fuck, you don't know this. You don't know about
the Nyehill and Starli Beacon and how they're probably feeling the pressure. All you
know is these are Jedi at the top of their game, So why in
all their media would they lie? Right? That's the thing for me is
that especially I'm not lying though, right, Oh, they're neglecting the truth.
It's the same thing. It's like if you had an affair and you
didn't lie to your wife about it, but you never told her, that
be neglecting the truth. So the same thing of like they knew there was
a say, just because Yoda didn't ask, oh, have your photo Sith
in the last year, I don't have a good Yoda and they didn't say
anything like that. That's the problem, and that's where I think that you
can have these run times. But the problem with so many Jedi and so
many stories, it's all getting rush, especially when we get to May.
Holy fuck did they drop it all the Holy fuck did they drop the ball
there? But let me go to some pea chats here just before we get
too far along flashback next one to Jawn to like what percon like there could
be but I don't think it better not be a whole flashback episode and it
doesn't matter. Okay, I think you might get some because Soul is like,
I'll tell you everything you need to know next week, you know,
so maybe you'll get some of it, but I don't want all of it
because we got a whole flashback episode last week and it really didn't mean much.
It's really kind of nothing for the most part. So that's cool.
And like John Patro point out, Caddy Mundy's has a birth year in Legends
dot canon and that's where where was it somewhere? Ravena B Said, Wait,
doesn't Disney Canny then Negate Disney Canny, Disney Cannon then Negate George Cannon,
which would include Ray's story. No, because they put her and you
said, hey, I was just asking not being a trouble banker. No,
it's going to be fine. They use some of his elements Ray Luke
Bing Hermit in their canon. Right. Until you do that, it's just
a what if. So unfortunately, those plague Is tales you could have in
the back of your mind. But that's why the Disney Cannon it is one
way. That's why I tell people many times when I watch Star Wars now,
it's just like a what if, Like this is what could a route
we go? But that's why you have legends that could be another route,
what if you go? And et cetera. Right, So, because they
use those elements George gave them, that is canon. That's George Cannon.
They didn't negate that, but you can ask look at the things that were
rumored in the script. They throw out lots of stuff. There's lots more
to do with medichlorians and everything like that. So that's where it's like,
just because they use some of George stuff doesn't mean it makes everything canon.
Even then, I don't think he wrote the plague his book that gave Caddy
Bunny his age, right, Like, I don't think George like, oh,
yeah, he was born in nineteen thirty b b Why Like, no,
he didn't do that. That wasn't George given Caddy Monny an age.
He's like, just make him look like a squid. You know, let's
see, right, this main issue, it's kind of sad he looks like
a liar whatever his birthday is. And I agree taking all that out,
let's just say, let's just say, for what a reason, Cannon,
they make it that he is now this certain age, right, And I
think I'll have to see the rest of the show, but it does seem
to me an odd choice to pick. Like I said, I'm some of
that's iffy on that stuff. You're picking a character literally, the character in
the prequels that says we haven't heard of in the millennia. That is risky
territory. For me, that is more than changing the canon and then the
threads or the lore, because that stuff from people's point of views, that
stuff that it's like the age thing where it's like, well, it's kind
of murky. If that is why, I don't think that's what makes Anakin
the special one. But this is literally taking a character now, and you
watch mena Menace, you'd be like, oh, one hundred years ago,
he knew the Scyth were here and he could have stopped it, but Caddy
money, he didn't, and it's just like, well I didn't he Like,
It's just and for me that's where I come from the opposite where I
think you do make some good points, but I still think that the High
Republic Jedi were still so by the book that I don't buy they would be
doing this, and like you said, there are reasons for them to not
be doing it, but they need to put that in the show. Still
it can't be well it happens in the books. And that's where I think
that these run times are screwing them over because there's multiple characters that are just
getting a storylines that are getting neglected, and it feels like we're watching a
stripped down version of what a show fully is to me sometimes, you know,
mm hmm, No, I would totally agree with that. I think
you need to have that runtime extent. You need that full hour to really
slow things down. And again, we're gonna get into May soon. But
like even if they made that spread out over a few more episodes and these
episodes or an hour long the whole season or whole season, then it would
have been more justified. But I mean, again, I'm gonna give it
some breathing room because I want to see what her actual motivations are. Like
it was kind of but that's cheesy writing because she's like, oh, I'm
low to my sister, not the master. But anyways, before that,
yeah, now you mentioned like why like them picking Caddy money. I remember
we were doing a trailer analysis a long time ago and I was popping the
names of like Oppo Ranceesis scenario poop, like those those are other Jedi that
were mentioned in the Higher Republic novels that they could they be kicking around.
But it all comes back down to that line Caddy money. Now we even
saw like a plow coon looking guy. I don't know if the credits labeled
him as Cloku, but he was the same species. I don't know if
you saw him in this episode. I missed that. No, he landed
with them on Uh it was like col cohar they killed plokuon. Yeah,
they're really totally just ruins Revenge of the sith Is. I would love it
if they did this and then at the end of the show they announced,
actually, this is just like or what if Timeline, like we were just
fucking with you the whole time. I'm Sorry's fans would be so mad.
But no, it's they're not gonna do that. It's probably just as a
species of flow coon. But I think so. Yeah, John Petro says,
I don't think they'll tell him about the sith He's in the show for
reason, and it's explain why he doesn't know about the sith and they did
not say Sith particularly. I just feel like it's I just need to see
how it's handled, because obviously a bunch of these are gonna die, right,
That's why I need to see his handle, Because, like I said,
John, you have a point, but I just like with the route's
going and to me this the episodes for the first three he had okay to
iffy writing to me, this episode had bad writing. That's where it's like
trust tough for me to trust them going forward. Are they gonna be pulled
this off? Because I just don't buy if, like like if fifteen Jedis
die and Cady Money knew there was some sort of master printed situation going on,
I just don't And that's what I mean, I do more. I
just don't buy that they would not. That's the second I can't. We
have to elevate now because it could get so much worse, and I don't
know what happens. I don't know if the Sith gets killed, who knows.
That's I mean, there's some stuff. As we said last week,
we can't judge at all. I'm gonna give it a chance. But after
this week by I'm a little worry that that bridge is swinging a lot and
has a lot of holes in it. So we'll see. So, I
mean, like you, they could, I don't know what else. Who's
Trevor Lawrence? I don't know And even dropped earlier too in here, Oh
someone is, Oh someone in the Chattney trailers. Oh oh yeah, yeah,
but they I'm trying to remember from the trailers what else we see of
the Master and this we don't know much. We haven't seen anything else.
This is this is it? So I called it. I told you that
episode four like this, I feel like they that's been a trend with Disney
is usually in the trailer's majority of the footage is what they give to the
critics, So then even the critics don't know for five and six and everything
like that. So and this is my problem. Oh go ahead, go
ahead. I was just say, like, are we going to see the
Master get killed here? Like is he gonna take out like seventy five percent
of the Jedi and then maybe even kill Soul? But then one of these
Jedi is going to uh like, is your gonna come in and just actually
managed to kill him? And then like, is that how they're gonna hush
it up? Like no, because I feel like we're gonna get him taking
his mask off and he's either gonna reveal that he is uh like Kimer or
whatever that guy's name was, the Smuggler, or he's fucking thick in this
episode, or it's gonna be someone else. They did lay it on Thick,
which again is sloppy writing, Oh my god, just like anytime she'd
be like, have you do you know much the Master? Oh no,
not really? Oh look over there collect people? Yeah, what do you
mean by that? Look there's a tree. Like he's just like, oh
my, Like they did that three I did three separate times where they start
talking about the Master. She asked a question and then he's like distracted by
something else, and it's just I hope it's red herring. I really do.
And that's something where I'll walk it back. But again that's her.
I don't think it is. And I think they're trying to be clever.
I think they're trying to Kaisi so say us, but I just don't.
Let's see, I think the mass Sith is the mother. And he said,
now, was that the one with the horns or was that the one?
Okay? Yeah, and I've seen that. I've seen that theory around
too, right. I personally still would rather be the other mother because I
thought it be They said this Vilm was like Kira and now I don't worry
it's gonna because it's the fucking smuggler guy. But it's like Kira was like
a trusting noble, like you wanted to learn from her, and then it's
like, oh she's a sith, this smuggah Trey well, no, no,
remember her fake name was Kira. Remember I don't remember that because isn't
her Treya is like when she's dark, so it has all the thing.
Look it up. I think her fake name when she's like the good Jedi
is like k e I r A. Oh crazy, Okay, that's what
it's. Yeah, that's like her like disguise, right. But for me,
it's like this guy's like portraying a smuggler who when we met in an
episode and was like this poison will kill somebody. That's not like like Kira
a Kara. God, what's it was? Again? That's not like Craya
and Tror whatever the fun now you don't now it's the other one now,
Tria, Trea Craya and it's Crayon and Trea. Yeah. Oh fuck,
that's like that's like r One and Alwin type of shit. Oh my god,
you know. And he says, not the one the horns. He
says, okay, And that's what I hope. I hope it's that because
I think that's a better twist and reveal because she was so caring, she
was so go live your life, do it. I think these other two
options, the horn one and the smuggler, are not the best of options,
and I really don't want that. Oh you just look like him.
He's the Jay Corbet. Oh that Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. No. The
only reason I know this because I watched Wrestling and aw and they own the
Jaguars and my console. There you go, Well, I get hopeful,
I'll think it's common honestly hate the dude. Then whatever. So here's my
thing too, about the runtime before you get into May. My problem was
too, there's at least five minutes I'm talking about this little fucking alien dude.
Is he a they? Is he a he? What's his name?
What's he there? Basle, get the fuck out of here, Basle,
get out of here. You're like a scream at May. I'd be fine
if this was a fifty five minute episode and they had the same screen time.
Does that not bother you that I feel like so much of the screen
time at least five minutes, which this is a twenty seven minute show,
that's a lot. It's them talking about Basle or it's just them walking.
It's them walking in a tracker for bumping into a bug, like I just
feel like the idea of like you, it's it's strange because we just made
like we made a movie that features walking and even an our thing. It's
about five minutes. It's a fifty minute movie and one it's the credits,
and two it like sets the mood. This doesn't really this These did not
really set the mood. It wasn't like we're in this woods in's dark and
creepy and there's an evil here. Like imagine if it was like when Gimbling
Legless and Airgorn going to fangling for us. That's the long but you get
this vibe like something is fucking wrong here and obviously it's not because again up,
but like something's up. You don't get that. It's them talking.
It's them. The only things I appreciate that was them like talking about okay,
you know her sense is coming back and you could be a true Jedi
show out to legou star Wars. But like that stuff was good. But
just them walking, just them talking about basl or stuff. That stuff,
to me, that was not needed. I did semi appreciate her talking with
Ord, who again, Ord was not great in this episode. I'm not
not enjoying the character. At first, I wasn't sure if which rat I
was gonna go, But now I think it's just like it pulls me out.
It's almost just too jedificial. I did like the conversation of, hey,
don't know if I could take my sisters, so you'd have to do
it again. I want that to go on longer, but we only get
again like cliff notes of a conversation. It's like if you pull the Wikipeda
page and you read the notes, but you don't get to see the actual
episode. So there's kernel of good things in here. Same with her talking
to Daphne Keane's character. But I just think for the screen to the run
time, take out the tracker, take out just the scenes and them walking
and bumping into a bug. And I know she says, she sends that
she could easily just send something out, She could send her sisters there,
she could send anything in the fucking world. She just have to think,
like, oh, I've sensed a bug and I made it die, Like
I don't need that, Like like there's like just speed it up, you
don't have much time, or give them the fucking time. But I asked
you a question, how like did that not bother you? All the screen
times is like we're doing stuff with this tracker, We're doing lots of hiking
that to me, other than a few moments, doesn't give us much substance,
Like I just feel like they're wasting time a bit. I do feel
like they're wasting time. And I think it is a misopportunity because there was
a lot of a lot of focus on Basil, so that that does pull
me out. But uh, yeah, Star Wars because for kids, yeah,
sure, but like it can be. But I think it's again,
you're still gonna tell a story that everybody enjoys, and which is funny because
this show, Bridgie is not this is supposed to be sure that was not
gonna be for kids, right, it was Pitches the dark Side SIEV show.
And I'm not saying we need a radar and stuff like that, So
I get it. But this is where I'm saying that you still have to
I don't want if it's characters losing out or story losing out, the idea
of oh, it's just for kids, then we're lost because jar Jar and
Phantom Mess is for kids. But there's lots of story going on. Granted,
like in Phantom Menace, like they're here, I think lots of it
is poorly written, but I still think there's so much time to do that.
When you don't have the time, you have to go, Okay,
what is our best option? And I feel like you could just do one
funny scene with this little tracker guy, but I don't think this is gonna
like get the kids to watch. To me, something like for the kids
is like Grogu where it's a perfect bounce of kids and adults can enjoy this.
And that's where if the show was stronger overall, I could say,
Okay, fine, yeah, put in the basle. Even porks, right,
porks are around Last Jedi, but they just have like little moments.
And it's in a two and a half hour movie. This is in a
twenty seven minute episode. You know. It's all about like real estate space.
So yeah, I mean I would agree with that. I don't.
I think he was an interesting character and he was kind of funny. I
like at the Star when he was introduced. But yeah, he definitely was
the focal point kind of moving forward. And well, I understand that,
yes, there are some things and Star Wars you want there to be for
kids, but like you, you, there's so many other ways to kind
of I'm looking at movie examples too. I don't know, it's tricky,
like you get you get Star Wars things for kids, like certain like the
Young animated show with like Jedi training, like not everything in those movies always
has to be for kids, for example, like what kids are watching and
Or that's probably my best example, right, Yeah, so they shouldn't be
afraid to make shows like that. Well, Mandalorian has some darker moments to
it, it still has that kind of balance between the two. But and
Ors not for kids. A kid would be easily bored from that. And
I'm not saying that this needs to be boring for kids too, but this
is your first show that's really focused on dozens of Jedi and I don't know,
it's tricky like the prequels, the prequel movies, Like again, those
are movies, so you have a lot of more room to play with and
kind of develop these characters, even though it's very questionable. And then certain
points of view, But I still think though that that was able. Being
a movie, you get to kind of focus on those more humorous moments,
but they still get progressively dark, especially when you get to Revenge of the
Sith. There's not really that much for comedy or lightheartedness for kids in there,
as opposed to Phantom Menace. Now this is pod racing, so in
this here, like you're, yeah, you got to pick your battles.
You got twenty something minutes here, and you're introducing the Master at the end
of this episode. There's nothing kid friendly about that when he like Citious floats
down and behind and like the hairs are going up and no, no,
no, I just mean like movie insidious, like demon stuff like that,
Like you notious, So Citious can do some wild things. I'm like,
I do feel like in those Battlefront games when you plays me he floats,
he floats, he does so to me, he looked like Voldemort coming down
and stuff. So yeah, let's take our next outbreak and then we'll get
into May and then we'll get into the Master and probably some theories and whatnots.
We'll be right back Andy and we're back. So all right, So
Osha, do you have anything to add on Osha. She's starting to feel
the Jedi vibe kind of I think what we thought would happen. It was
weird when Soul asks her, He's like, well, I need you to
come. I need you and she's like to be a Jedi and he's like
no, like it just to like I just need your help. Like it
felt hot for her just to assume like I'm gonna be a Jedi again,
and like, man, she doesn't even sound like she's wanted that, but
she's like no, just as like a as a thing going, you know.
So so one we got that going on, and before there's another funny
thing where they land. They talk to this guy, this alien, and
they're trying to look for the Wookie. He's like, well, he went
in the woods, in the forest and he's never been seen again. And
they cut the Soul and he's like looking into the camera and he's like,
I think he's in there, and then they pan out and it's just the
forest and it's like, well, yeah, no shit, the fucking alien
guy just told us he's in the forest. Like I know, the point
was it's in a certain direction, but it was just a funny cut up
he's in the forest and souls like pretending to be a magician, being like,
oh, I know he's in there, Tres Mitchell, It's it's going
good. A lot of people are saying, Kamar Camier, Kumier, I
can't remember how you say his name of this as well, Kimary, you're
good at start. His name is a bad guy. Well, I would
hate that. There are a lot of clues of you today. We've talked
about that. We'll probably talk about that again more when we get to the
end of this episode we talk of the Masters, So stay tuned. But
how are you feeling about Osha starting to feel some Jedi like again? I
mean it makes sense, you know, it's just she's she's in between and
Sandwich or bunkst all these Jedi right, and they're just kind of like,
I mean, you're just what's what's a good example of this? I mean,
I feel like if you immerse yourself in another country with different languages and
culture, you're eventually gonna start being able to pick up. For example,
I spent a few weeks in Mexico and you start, you speaking the language,
you start to pick it up, and you start it's true, you
do. And so I think I'm not saying like anyone who doesn't have the
force hangs around jets like I can use a force. But I think she
she had it at one point, and I think when she's just been around
this kind of vibe and this kind of culture a little bit, she's picking
up on the Jedi vibes again, the Jedi culture, the Jedi force,
and you know she's tapping into it. So can you say May the Force
be with you in Spanish? No? No, no, this was years
ago. I mean I didn't spend enough time, so fair enough there,
Yeah, I like that enough Again, I'm fine with that little journey.
We'll see all that. So I didn't an issue. So we have may
and uh qumir here kaime here Kai Kai. Yeah, I guess I thought
Ki would be a k but that's okay. So so you have them.
They're oh, they're also walking around, you know, they're they're doing a
lot of talking, just talking about stuff where it really makes it like he's
like, oh, well, the Master, he really he'd really like it
if you kill these guys without your blades. And she's just like, there's
two things. One they're just laying in obvious. Okay, he's the fucking
guy. He's the siff Lord, because he's saying like the Master would really
like you to do this, Like okay, sure, Like I just don't
buy the Master talking with Kmar like just about all these ideals of the SIF
or whatever. Maybe it is so at that point, I just don't get
it where she's like, yeah, whatever, fuck it, I used my
blades. There's like no rhyme or reason. There's no consequences. We can't
talk about the first episode of like, you know, why is she doing
it? If they said no weapons, that's still unclear. But whatever.
So there's a lot of walking, a lot of talking them just again to
me laying on and think that he is the guy. Cool. We'll probably
get that reveal next few episodes, and I don't really like that. We'll
talk about it later. So, uh, to complete the process of their
training has just to kill this Jedi. Yeah, I have no way transition
to this. This is just like I don't know if it's the worst writing
in the Disney Star Wars Disney plus Star Wars era, but I'm definitely gonna
say it's up there. It's top three. I so last week I talked
about how I really like this sister dynamic because when they met up, we
thought, oh, like in the past or sorry, in the present day,
I thought, oh, there's gonna be sisters that loved each other,
that were separated whatever, there's a reason for them to get back. And
then when we got the flashback episode, it was like, oh, cool,
No, it's not that. It's they actually had kind of a tumultuous
relationship and didn't get along all the time. So after now back in the
present day, May has killed two Jedi Uh said she didn't really want anything
to do with her sister. Randomly, she just goes, you know what
my allegiances are to Osha, not to the Master. I'm gonna turn myself
in tell them everything they need to know. Are you fucking kidding me out
of nowhere? Nothing, nothing at all in this show or this episode even
gave a hint of her being like being inspired to change, doing something anything.
All we know is she wants these Jedi dead. Didn't seem like she
wanted to see her sister. They've not. And again, even if it
is, they haven't talked much about it. She hasn't talked much about it.
There's not enough run time to justify this term that has happened. This
turn is out of nowhere. So already we talk about man Jedi. They
just fucking are the sith Us. They love turning them in these shows and
the Disney Plus air right, and we kind of thought that's probably gonna have
with May already halfway through the season and really for nothing, really for nothing.
It's just like, ah, well, yeah, I'm gonna jump it
just for me, for her to go back to Osha and wanting to be
connected after we just to We got a whole episode establishing, hey, they're
not as close as you would think they are, and then the next episode
be like, ah nah, she actually wants to be back to her sister.
That's one, and then two her to dedicate her whole life. Hey
been waiting to kill these Jedi kills two and go, you know what,
I don't really want to kill the third one. I'm just gonna turn myself
in and uh, I'll figure it out. None of this made any sense,
So Taylor, the floor is yours to try to explain why if this
worked for you, why it did work for you? Ah, I want
to say that there's gonna be a little bit more depth to this and something
we just haven't seen yet. But I'm afraid that there probably isn't. It's
it's a little bit convoluted, and I'm not sure exactly what the point of
the storytelling is and why her allegiance has changed. And I think it's I
think it's interesting because it's like, how much does she really know about the
Master? How much does she really know about anything else? I mean,
we have masters Soul kind of do a quick mind check on her and thought,
Okay, well, there's not really anything you can tell us about the
Master because you don't even know what he looks like or who he is.
And now we see in this episode where oh no, we have leverage because
we'll present Osha to her and that'll make May tell. Like I felt like
that, like May is somebody planning on telling. Like the whole like the
tension's gone, Like I'm not saying I don't want them tourn May, but
just save it. Like the whole tension of this episode is we Osh's here
in danger, but she's here because she needs to be to get to May.
But she doesn't now May, She's just gonna if everything if that Wookie
wasn't dead, She's just gonna tell them everything. And here's my point before
you continue, John, you say that the change comes from being proximity.
Osha, they're different people part they were different. We got a whole episode
last week showing how different they were together. I'll kill you. One wants
to be a witch, one wants to be a Jedi. They literally have
a conversation of I don't want to live your life. I don't always want
to be associated with you. I want to be my own person. They
were. That was what I didn't understand. Then last week they should have
showed, oh, they were really close, so I could understand May thinks
her sister is dead, she's alive. Oh my god, I'm in the
wrong here. But last week they did a whole episode of like showing they
are different when they are together, and this makes sense. To be fair,
they never really did a good job making May seem convincedly Evel in the
first place, she's still willingly killed Jedi like that thing. And to me,
she like Taylor said, she didn't I'll kill you do a little girl.
I know it's a little girl, but still that's a that's a big
thing to jump to. So for me, it's just like, and that's
the thing in general, just in general, we don't have enough time to
flesh out these characters, you know, mm hmm. Yeah. So I
think that when you look at the relationship dynamic here, it's and just how
she's kind of like favored her sister with a master. I don't know,
it's it again within a twenty minute timeframe. It's just not ideal. And
I would have liked a little bit more kind of a build up going on
here. But also episode four, like it's just four. It's such a
quick turnaround to just go from their twins, they hate each other, she
wants to be back with her twins. It's just it's it's neck snapping whiplash
effect, how quick it is, you know it is. And so I
a part of me, though, does feel like the fact that, Okay,
the Master appears the Master, just like Force flicks and Osha goes fucking
flying. I like that because I think, Okay, obviously these twins have
a larger part to play here, or maybe he thinks he can take Osha
and he wants to go. At this point, I'm convinced he wants to
kill May, which I think is interesting. Probably, Yeah, I think
there's always a chance one of the twins could die too as well, just
so they don't have to have her acting twice and everything. I could,
Yeah, absolutely, But I do think that I feel like we could always
see the roles kind of flip here where Obviously, if Vader can be redeemed,
they can be redeemed apparently, but anybody can be redeemed. Anyone can
be redeemed. But so may Is would maybe come like the kind of the
hero here and try to save Osha. Should have a prison after I'm telling
her to prison, Osha is the one that turns to you know, false,
to the dark side, guess a good. I don't know. I
feel like both of them are probably gonna die. And yeah, I don't
think I won't go that far. I don't think, oh she's gonna die.
I think she'll be a consistent main character. I think May can always
bite it. And here's the thing, like John, like I get the
point here is there's no way the show's about May turning good, which I
disagree. If I think there is a way the show is about that,
like Reva Kylo Rn I think there's another one in there where it's just like
they've been obsessed with turning these people good, but Scott can't be redeemed.
Oh, I'm sure they'd find some sort of way. No, I think
that's probably the one of the if you may were to make them out rush
more like him in Plaguus. But I don't think Palpatine could be redeemed.
But hey, maybe maybe you find out all he had some bad parents and
stuff. But anyways, John said otherwise it would have happened in episode eight,
not four. They're also a lot more to be revealed, but that's
my problem. Was like, even if the show is not about turning May
good, even if it is, she thinks about turning good and then says
evil, just even her thinking about turning good, I don't think the motivations
are there for you know, that's all I want, even in and this
is where it's completely different. Right, But I feel like for a while
we didn't want we accepted in episode nine, but I feel like if you
look at our history in Geek first, we were wanting kylo Ren to say
the path be evil. We've done. We don't want to be Vader again,
right, but even then Han Solo, his mom, the Ray connection,
there are all these things of you could see why kylo Ren could turn,
right, They've not shown us anything with me of why she should turn
and even Mike's they know I've showed us enough of hurt being evil. They've
just not showed enough period to be making such big leaps of even the like
it's odd for me where she's not really wanted to kill Jedi and yet da
da, But then I feel I recall on episode one when she finds the
Master standing a rock, isn't she like looking all evil like that? She's
just like she's like smiling and she's all happy she did it. She did.
It's just like, if this is a character that's torn and maybe it
doesn't want to kill people and it's rethinking it, and like Mike says,
maybe not completely evil. Why are you smiling after you murdered this woman?
You know? And maybe it could just be to get revenge on what they
did, and that's what we could get next week. But it's just happening
oh way too fast. I did think. I didn't think so because we
saw the trailer, but my in my heart, I was hoping that they
did a switch through where when you're talking about Oshan being evil, I thought
the most hype thing would have been in the trailer when they show the Jedi
turned around, the lightsaber goes, and then you know, the Sith takes
them out. I would have loved if they Hulk and Finny ward Us and
they turned around and osh had a red light saber and it was fucking fooling
them the whole time and just popped off on them. I was like,
man, I was hoping. I was like, that could at least give
me some intrigue of whether she's been framing whether it's like, uh, what
is it like a god? What am I forgetting his name? A reven
situation? I was like, oh, man, there might be a chance.
But no, he floated down and everything so ah sweet to mention that,
Okay, so May is gonna find the Wookie. Uh, the Wookie's
already been dead, Like Wookie's dead chopped up after me. He's like,
he'll never find me here while you're finding here, because he's the the smuggler
guy. He was hanging upside down, he like, you know, got
out now he's like even the frame of him to me looks like the smuggler
guy in my opinion, looks like a similar build. So he's in there.
They they haven't seen the Wookie the other Jedi, but they're assuming he's
dead and they're assuming May did it. So they're asking him to come up
with his hands up and you know, the whole copper teine or her hands
up and the whole copper teine. And then Soul, which I like,
said, this is where I again with the powers. You don't need to
hurt have or bump into a bug. Soul just senses something's off. You
know, there's something wrong. And I loved like the quick like the slow
turnaround and then I something. I bet might not like this because we've not
seen a Jedi or a sif like float or anything like that. I personally
do because one there's hundreds of years, many different powers. Who knows what
they could do right? And for me it was given a fairy like Lord
Voldemort vibes in my opinion, which I don't even know if he floats at
all. He like flies and stuff. I don't even floats, but I
did that to me was a really good shot of over shoulder. He's just
blurred. He comes down and then he gets in the frame. I thought
that was really cool, the lightsabers that come out, So I thought that
scene was good. Again, the cliffhangers suck because you know, that's all
we've seen him previous. It's like, oh, can we get a little
bit more? But that's fine, we'll see what happens next week. So
I think the scene in an isolated vacuum is good and it was intriguing.
But again, it was the stuff that I was kind of unfortunate you checked
out by that point because I was so kind of upset with everything else they'd
done. That was to me pretty poor writing at that point. But this
was a cool scene and I uh, again I'm still on the fence about
the actual mask, But yeah, what did you think about this scene?
Well, I mean the scene was great. It gave me goosebumps when I
when she goes into the hot and you see kal Naka like very unfortunately.
I love wookies and so the fact that kil Naka was just just toast.
And when you see like the slash and you're trying to hone in like what
actually like happened, then you see the lightsaber slash on his chest and it's
still simmering, and you're like, oh, fuck, this guy's this guy's
here, and Osha realizes that too, and I just got goosebumps because yeah,
they told the sorry, I may may just tell the body. And
Osha is behind the Jedi. And so when they're looking, uh, May's
looking out and you see Osha and behind the Jedi, and then you see
just the faint like silhouette of him just kind of descending back. You see
the mask and everything. I am wondering if this is I obviously Plagas is
canon, and so I don't know. I mean, maybe Disney could just
wreck ca on that and be like, Okay, we're gonna change that up.
But as far as Darth, as far as Darth Tenebrisk goes, that's
that's a different story. But I feel like whatever we got here that this
guy calling himself the Master is not He's obviously not the Master. I feel
like there's obviously we're gonna get that Plaguis character who's pulling the puppet strings above
a real guy. I think. So when I think, and this is
my own interpretation and I'm probably wrong, but kill Jedi, kill a Jedi
without a weapon. That's what May is like living and breathing right now,
And so what if she's not Maybe because she's killed Jedi with weapons. That's
how she killed kill a Jedi without a weapon though, right, that's what
she has to do. Yeah, but she didn't do that. She didn't
do that. That's why she's freaking out right now. So you have the
master who gave her this mission. And now I'm starting to wonder, Okay,
wouldn't it be something if Darth Plagas basically looked at this guy as his
accolyte and his you know you want in well, I want you to go
kill Jedi without a weapon. He tells that to this guy, and so
this guy's like, Okay, how can I kill Jedi without a weapon.
I'll get someone else to do it for me. Then I'm killing them,
but I'm not using a weapon to do so it kind of fits when you
think about it, and it'd be interesting to see if that's why he's playing
May to kind of do this for him, and then he just would be
the one to kind of step up and get that that rightful place among Plagas
his pupils or something like that. I guess assuming Plagas is the head Haunt
show behind the scenes. But I just look at the way that this guy's
armor looks and everything like that. He's he's freaky and he's cool and he
is powerful. But I don't get the vibe that he's definitely our main,
our main be all and al sith Lord. At this time, I do
not detect that whatsoever. I would like you to be right, But with
the writing the show, I think it is. I think it is,
and I think I think they're My worry is is that they When this show
started, I thought, oh, for sure, you get play it's your
Palpatine. It's close enough. If there's some years, but it'll start to
lay the groundwork. I think there's enough chance they don't even they don't even
do that. Now I'm coming from a place of not enjoy this episode,
So that could be my bias speaking right now, of just thinking, oh,
that's not gonna be the case. And I don't say, oh,
we got planned for multiple seasons, but I just feel like it's just gonna
be this Sith and they win or lose, and if they win, they
just go off and maybe they can act with play against or whatnot, and
I don't know. It's interesting because they say it is a master imprinted situation,
but may is she is an apprentice, I guess, but not in
this I think true Sith form. So like she's not using heavy force power,
she's in a red lightsaber. So yeah, I really don't know on
that one. I don't know because my confidence is kind of shaking the show,
so I can't tell you for sure. I would like that to be
the case. And I think that's if this was a show that could go
multiple seasons, you could do that, right. But it's even stuff like
I know they like, oh, we don't want to leave the big characters.
I still think it's all that Yoda's not on the show, even for
a scene, you know, like why is Yoda not around? And that's
why I just worries, like they might not want to connect to the biggest
ones and just leave it on their own. Things like oh, it's one
hundred years later and that guy got killed and no one need to talk about
or he survived, but yeah, maybe he met Plagas down the line and
nit who knows. It could get a little risky of oh he he was
the trainer of Plaguas and he trained Palpatine, and yet the star Killers on
there there. But yeah, before I get to your final predations here and
says, did you guys get romantic fives from Ocean Jecki? Yes, I
did a little, yes, But the show probably won't go there as usual.
They will cut away and fade a black when they're about to kiss,
or they're not gonna give them anything a merit. They're gonna hold hands a
big oh yeah, we're in love now, and that's it because Disney obsessed
with money, and god forbid there's a gay person or a gay kiss in
a show that you can't or really that you can't edit out. You know,
well, I just think that if they do kiss, the Jedi order
just be like, oh, we won't tell the High Counsel this either.
You know, we're all for love and attachments, right, that sounds dirty.
Oh, we won't tell them this. Yours is pitching orgy. So
you know what else we won't tell them about. I don't no, I
guess the easy answer would be that Jeckie is Jedi, right, so you'd
assume that she wouldn't give into such temptations, right. So the thing,
yeah, and the point we know that the Jedi are all about like going
to sleeping around? Right, what's your earlier real man? Alvar old Man,
you know, not him, he's the Oh no, was it l
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Gray Storm wasn't getting fucking and that sell it with with marsh and Roe.
Yeah, no, Lzar is you know he's always plinn aff Dravar Chris and
then yeah Alvarez ral Ral Olivarez right, yeah, yeah, he he should
be around this time period soon, right he trains Qui go when he's an
older man. I would love to see reel Man that. I would fucking
do anything to make a Disney Plus show about him. But my point is
that that's like the perfect way too, where you could do a like you
could do a romantic story that features gay characters and for Disney not have to
do it because you can make them never kiss because one wants to but one
can't be cause she's a Jedi, and you could have that longing for one
another, and if you were to write it good, you could actually make
it very central and romantic with not even any touching or kissing, just the
fact that these two want to be together so badly, but they can't.
But no, they probably won't do that, and who knows, I don't
know what they're gonna do there again, talk about the stuff that's in here,
like Daphne Keen, like the makeup. I think she's good in the
show. I still don't have enough of that character either. You know,
there's just there's still too many characters in this amount of episode that we don't
have enough backstory on. So where are you as far as who you're thinking
this evil person is right now? Because we've talked about a little bit.
I do think it's the smuggler guy. I think they're doing some red herrings
quotation Mark. I would love to be wrong. I would love to be
the main mother and Nissa I don't even know. I guess I would probably
prefer to be the horned one at least, because I just feel like they
just laid on too thick with this guy to the point where it's like I'm
not as interested. But yeah, who do you think? I mean,
the mother definitely fits the bill, it does, but I feel like they've
really laid it on hard that this is Kime here. I mean, he's
hanging upside down or what unless he was able to just like flick his switch
and the Master is able to just fly there and like catch up through the
woods get to that location. It's just to play Devil's advocate. Unless the
Master was already there and this was a test for her, right, he
was just chilling. Yeah, that's actually a good point. That's true.
How do you have got even the guy? I guess he could just use
his four speed because they can. But like the fact that if he did
kill that Wookie, he would have been there fast, right, So I
wouldn't mind as far as like if he's been there the whole time. But
it's probably just our boy hanging upside down. I think so. And I
think it's just a it's a testament to the sloppy storytelling of of I don't
want to say all things these days, but there's so many things that just
are just really shitty storytelling. And I'm I consider myself, not I shouldn't
say that that's kind of offensive. You know, I'm gonna say it's not.
It's not that offensive. I consider myself, And you know, how
do I wear this? I don't know. I don't want to cancel myself,
I consider myself not an idiot, and I feel like Cancel, he
is an idiot. He is an idiot. I feel like this writing is
just really dumbed down for people that are I don't want to say that,
oh, we're writing this for idiots. That's that's very very long, but
they're dumbing it down for people. Though to me it feels more like and
not that this is still dumbing it down. But for me, and this
has happened before with the live action stuff, it feels sometimes like the animated
stuff. There's tons of that animated stuff that is adult and like like with
Clone warst even seven, like it hits certain heights, but then there's tons
of Clone Wars or bad Batch or not bad Batch for me, like Rebels
that it's like, oh, this feels very uh just kind of young teen
none in the sense that people been like, oh, the show's young teen
CW. I get that. I think this episode of the most like young
teen vibes out of all of them. But it's to be accessible to anybody,
and I don't mean anybody like, oh, you're not a Star Wars
fan, like of any age, which there can be good because like John
says like Star Wars is for kids, but I still think, like I
still watch the original trilogy and enjoyed all those even if there's stuff that I
didn't understand as a kid, right, and then I understand more as it
went on. This feels like in general, it doesn't have that. I
don't think there's anything in here that people don't understand other than hey, this
writing or this moment doesn't make sense, right, So I can agree to
you with that where it feels like almost to play it's safe, we have
to make it this route. But I just I just don't think that,
because I think the best shows in the world currently right now usually shows with
deep characters that have very sprawling out storylines that are thick and layered, not
just like very basic. Right, So let's see, Tres says the place
Kmar was May says his timians self to Kala Naka's house, so he could
get there pretty quick, But how could he beat her because she's already on
the way, right unless he's forced. He's floating, right, He's just
floating the trees, right, He's fucking Superman over here. He's just flying.
He's gonna do first flight. Kimar has to be a misdirect, right,
it's too obvious to be true. I I would hope so, but
like I said, for me, the writing for this episode has been,
you know, a little iffy. This was the first one with bad writing.
I I don't think it's the realm possibility. I think that that is
that would fit the whole uh career at Tyra thing or what the hell is
her name? Again? I feel like I knew them before this episode.
It is probably because we record psychlists before this. I'm a little tired,
but I think that fits the Cray and Tray thing, even though I don't
think it fits because he's a smuggler, bad guy ready. But the idea
of you know, a false identity and then the real ones revealed because the
mothers, that wouldn't be the case, right, I think you could make
that with the mother and he said because she was nice, but she was
also dead, so or like, even if she was presumed to be dead,
you could say a lot change with her. I think this is much
more like the Ka Ka Kreya tria, where it is like they're presenting you
one thing, this kind of dopey smuggler that is, you know, a
little charismatic versus this dark killing Sith guy, right, so I think it
is. I hope I'm wrong, but I hope I was wrong with a
few things with the show and I wasn't so And then Soul will You touched
on this a little bit. He says he's gonna tell them, tell them
everything that went down, the truth. So hopefully next week we'll get that.
I imagine he's alive to tell that story. Right, Oh, I
could see them not keeping him alive, But I do wonder like maybe they
were grilling him like, oh, why didn't you tell me about May?
And he's like, I didn't know. I didn't know, like she was
supposed to be dead. Like makes me think, like, okay, like
what if they were like flying up in the ship and the windows is May
behind and it's like, oh no, we're not turning around, like oh
my, I don't know. So hopefully not poor writing. Yeah, oh,
there's definitely no one back there. There's something obviously going on with that
storyline, and I'm very curious to know what it is because they eluded that.
Okay, it was the Jedi like Master Tobin just you know, he
juiced himself with that poison and killed himself. So what's obviously going on here?
And Master Soul doesn't seem like the kind of character to me that would
go in and just kill a bunch of witches aggressively if it was an act
of defense, maybe, and then they kind of like worm. I mean,
the Jedi are always crafty and abducting kids, right, they're either gambling
on your your family likes your freedom and pod races, or they're you know,
they don't kidnap you, but they'll gamble for you and all that stuff.
So yeah, I am of two minds of that, because I think
if they reveal that the Jedi did something shady, I think unfortunately adds more
to May's previous storyline of they did some bad stuff. I'm here for revenge.
If we get the situation where now she's like wanting to turn herself in
and work with the Jet, I give them the information and that's revealed all
the Jet did really fuck over her family, It's like, well what do
we do here? Like like why do we even turn her good? Then?
Like that that's perfect motivation for her character here, right, and how
would she feel would she flip back? I don't know? Again, risky.
I am intrigued by that, but I'm more worried about that now because
i just feel like it's gonna be something that's unsatisfactory. And yeah, I
really don't know. Again, I hope next week I will be very Would
you be mad if you don't see the fight or kills that fight it's just
like they pick up and they're on the spaceship and they tell the story and
they show like quick flashes, I would be pretty disappointed. To me,
I really hope that the episode. What I think would just be great is
if he's gonna kill these Jedi, open up with like a seven to ten
an episode. If it's only me twenty seve minutes, use half that screen
time for like a great fucking big lightsaber battle. I'm not saying you got
be Luke Invader in the Throne room. I'm saying you gotta be Hayden and
Obi Wan like just something though you got all these Jedis. If it's just
yeah, well he killed us all, then man, that that's not exciting
because like shows these lightsaber sitting each other, you know, shows that type
of stuff. The most I've ever gotten in Star Wars Live Action would be
Palpatine versus the four Jedi masters like kid Fisto, Mace wind Do and like
those two of those fuckers were out in seconds. They couldn't last long.
And then kid Fisto got two blocks and then he was done and then it
was just one on one, and it's usually one on one or you get
well, you didn't even get two on one in attack of the Clones,
the Obi Wan and Anakin, because Anakin was like, going, no,
I'm taking him now. He just charged his Dooku. So we we actually
phantom menas did you get two of them we want? So there's that,
yeah, and I want more of that. And I think to have this
whole roster like of Jedi masters here in Night, I think that would be
wonderful to see them face up against the Master here and actually show a choograph
fight. I think a few of them will get killed. Scary too,
right, kill scary kill all these Jedi. But if it's just like oh
souls telling the story of how they got killed, they don't show no footage
as well, they miss into their chance to make this character be intimidating.
Right, It's kind of like it's quick stuff. But when you get to
see Anakin going to that musta far and killing all those people, or Obi
Wan pulling up the footage and seeing him just you know, he literally is
choking one Jedi and killing another one like one handed right, Like it's just
little stuff. They could use quick flashes, but I would hope would be
something longer. But I could see it just being a story. I could
too, and I really hope it's not. I don't want the quick flashes.
I don't want the story. I want them to just yeah, I
need to have a well choographed fight. I want to see them go into
town. And there's a couple stills that I saw of like Soul and Zeki
that's her name right of them just with their lightsabers out and just like combat
stance. I think we'll get a little bit. And that's that's all I
need. Like I am man, I'm working, I'm working a lot of
hours at work, and I look forward to these Tuesday nights at six pm.
I got my dinner going, and I just want to come home and
I want to watch that big fight. And here I thought I was gonna
get a little bit of it this week, and they cut it. These
fucking cliffhangers. Man, they cut it right at the good part. A
back was coming to be able to smash to my TV as he got plasted.
Another man, I gotta wait another seven fucking days. So what scenario
would you like? Least the scenario of them telling the story about him killing
the Jedi or the scenario where he, as Mikes is just smoke bombs out
of there like a batman and the fight never happens, which so he just
blasts them and then smoke bombs. Which wouldn't you prefer the smoke bomb or
the telling of the story of him killing the people. I would take the
smoke bomb because at least I feel like we're gonna get another fight. I
feel like that would guarantee us getting a confrontation later. But if he's his
soul is just retelling it and just telling us like, oh, we lost
fifteen of our Jedi and I'm me and Zacy were the only ones to survive
your disappear, like that would be horrible, not even may just yeah,
Soul kills himself, but oh yeah, that's oh, that's a that's a
that's a tricky situation. I'm just more of laughing as I'm think about Mike's
calming of they show this in the trailers. It's a cliffang for episode four
and if it's just they pick up and I where is he's gone? What
a set of blue balls that is? That's really tough. He shows up,
he turns his lightsaber on it and then just disappears in the smoke.
That's yeah, bold move or fucking may kills him on one blow and that's
in. Then just Star Wars goes. But yeah, I guess what sees
there any other notes that we haven't tackled yet. I think that's everyef thing.
I'm looking forward to knowing what Kirkland thinks he's behind by two episodes,
and so we don't even know what Star Wars is rooined for him yet,
right, Yeah, it's not. It's not been destroyed yet. I think
he'll be somewhat in the middle, leaning a bit more your way, but
then a bit more negative on some other stuff. But who knows, he
could maybe he'll end up paying it. I don't know. I am very
curious he should be back. We're hoping he was gonna be back this week,
but he still couldn't finish the episodes with his flight with his family,
so that's okay. We'll hear from him for episode five. But yeah,
I'm interesting what he got's going on. But yeah, that's it for this
week. Thank you everyone in the chat. Thank you everyone. We'll be
back next week. I think next week we'll probably be on a little earlier,
like an eight pm PSD. We're a little later this time because we
had to record some other stuff, but usually now try and drop the time
for some of these post review shows that are maybe a bit more earlier.
But yeah, thank everyone that tuned in. We will see what goes down
next week with the show, and I promise you it'll not be boring.
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