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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Monday April twenty four, two twenty three.
It's me Sean the Fort Chop Forker, back this week with Vans and
Esbit good Old j B. James Baker, Henry May, the Walking big
footen Cyclopedia, and our guest, my good friend, the founder, leader
of the Community of Got Knockers and host of From Behind Tall Trees Wednesday Night,
Gwen Forsell. Gwen, thanks for joining us tonight. Guys. How
you doing. It's great to be here. Good day. Just two dollars
a month. All wait, sorry, you haven't gotten to that yet.
You know, bulletin Big Hit Van's getting a lot of commentary about it.
Folks like it, so good job of the Big bullet Oh I like it.
Hopefully we have the audio issue fixed that one of our listeners has been
chat me up with every week. I appreciate him, Mike giving me feedback
about how our audio is. We spent a god awful a lot of money
to run this show, so we try to make it sound as best as
possible for everyone. So bear bear witness, be patient and just you know,
be patient with us and give us feedback. We like feedback because the
show's for you, the listener, because if it wasn't, we'd just be
four guys and a gal sitting around talking to a microphone. The conversations we
would have came back last week vance we had or two weeks ago, kind
of just a general show, no real topical point, but kind of got
back into the nitty gritty. But tonight we have a very special guest,
a good friend of mine, Gwyn from Pennsylvania. She's not in Pennsylvania tonight,
but she's in Pennsylvania most Actually, I'll find her all over the place.
She's mobile. I am. You've been hit in the conference circuit pretty
hard with gott Knockers and yeah, which is phenomenal. By the way,
James and I met you in person for the first time, which is funny
because we're practically neighbors practically. And the Great Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference in Tennessee
lift yep, and that was a wild event, and so we headed off
that we actually think we met at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. Yeah, we
spent like an hour talking in the aisle. Yeah, well, everybody's trying
to get around as you and I order you stand in their heads. Where
a conferences, you know, I think folks forget that a little bit of
a rant here for a moment, that conferences are supposed to be a place
to share information and network and connect, not just a flea market where people
are selling their wares, which is nothing wrong with that, but or listening
to speakers. There's a whole it's a holy event, you know, it's
a it's an experience that folks really need to, you know, appreciate and
going back and folks, if you haven't checked out the Sasquatch archives on YouTube,
go ahead and do that. Todd Prescott has curated a lot of information,
most of it that predates all of us. You're talking late eighties,
early nineties of sasquatch Y, Don Keating, John Green, Peter Byrne,
a young Todd niece, a whole plethora of researchers who have been doing this
since you know, the research was in its infancy. He's got all that
information out of the Internet right at your fingertips. So I don't have to
go and lose my temper and tell people to read a damn book anymore.
You can just go to the Sasquatch Archives and watch a damn video. So
one more way for you to consume information, because there's a lot out there
that you're talking years, sixty years, seventy years of Sasquatch research that's now
available really for anybody who who wants to actually go out and do some research.
So just a little shameless promotion there. But Gwen, why don't you
tell us all how you got started into bigfoot research, because you know,
it's not something everybody does. It's not something I ever thought I would do.
Actually, I could could have cared less about bigfoot before February twenty twenty
one, and I saw this incredibly large black figure crossing the cornfield across from
our house. And I've hunted my whole life and I've never seen anything like
it. This thing was massive and it cleared that cornfield in seconds, and
all afternoon I was real quiet. I'm trying to process what it was that
I saw. I'm trying to come up with something that it could have been,
and I got nothing like that's the only thing it can be. I
can't come up with anything else. And that moment started this whole I started
getting online in the research and other sightings in my area and surrounding areas,
and it just deep dived down the rabbit hole that very day and I've never
come out, which is funny, you know, because if you really have
to dive deep to find sighting reports in our area Pennsylvania, aside from the
southwest part of the state, there's you're not going to find a lot of
database. You'll find some here and there, but you really won't find anything
in northern central PA unless you really know where to go, because folks around
here is Gwen will tell you. It's a very conservative part of the state.
A lot of hunters and outdoor enthusiasts and people that you know, Bigfoot's
probably not the first thing on their mind. But how did you How did
you reconcile that, Gwen, It's not something you're really considered before one day
you see this large black figure in a cornfield. How did your mind go
to bigfoot? Oh? Well, you know, I watch a lot of
Discovery Channel and I'm always on this every plus. Before I started this bigfoot
thing, I did paranormal investigating, so I've seen the big Foot shows,
and I just I couldn't. I mean, it's not to say that there's
not bears in my area, because I mean, I've hunted my whole life
and I've never seen a bear in the woods ever so, I've never seen
one. I mean I saw this sighting was a thousand feet from my house.
I've never seen a bear anywhere in my neighborhood ever so, And a
bear doesn't walk upright like that for that period of time, and at that
stride, like this thing cleared a cornfield in seconds. A bear would have
never would have never managed that, not upright on two legs, not the
way that thing was walking. It just there's nothing else. I mean,
this thing was had to have been nine eight or nine feet tall, and
it was as broad as a barn, and it was black from head to
toe, and it just crossed that cornfield like it was you know, ice
skating on ice. It was ridiculous, and I just, yeah, yeah,
it's funny. It's funny to say that about the bears when because like
I don't know, all the years I've spent in the woods, from the
early nineties to today, I've seen a handful of bear maybe and they I
have a great video of a baby bear that we saw that untragically lost its
mother and was abandoned. And you know, bears getting into people's garbage cans.
But I've never encountered one in the woods. Maybe once not once in
the woods with my grandfather that was it. But all the time I've spent
in the woods, like maybe I can count now that I'm activating my mind,
maybe two or three experiences and over thirty years of being that's crazy to
think about. And we know they exist, there's lots of proof they're around,
but you're encountering one in the woods all rarity, But you know,
you talk about that when we first put the game camera up, when we
first got the first footage, there was a bear, didn't And we went
down there before and after and like we saw deer sign everywhere, and this
was before really started to notice signs and stuff, there was no bear sign.
If I wouldn't have saw that photos from the game can, I had
never known there was a bear on that land. Yeah, and that's a
you know, an important thing to note, uh, you know, Gwen,
and the distance how fast it traversed the I've seen the field you showed
me the fields, Ye, a sizable field. To have something moved that
fast across it is very interesting. Uh, definitely not going to be something
that would struggle walking on two legs for that long. Now, I'm not
going to identify as a bear, right So now, especially with your outdoors
experience, So you have a sighting, then what do you do? Where
you dive online? Where do you go from there? Oh? Well,
I started researching festivals and conventions, which is I met you at Salt Fork,
which is the first festival I went to. UM I went on a
BFR expedition out in western Pennsylvania and learned a lot, which is where I
met Matt Arner and Carrie and her husband Steve. Yeah, I met all
those guys on that trip and I learned a lot, and I had some
crazy experiences out there. So I just I went everywhere I could find to
suck up any type of knowledge and get as much information as I could get.
You talk about Matt Arner again, a gentleman who's a wealth of knowledge,
who well, folks need to pay a lot more attention to because he's
got a great background of professional background, just a hell of a nice guy.
I'm so proud to call him a good friend of ours, Gwen.
Somebody we research with, we trust, absolutely somebody great to learn from the
fact that you were you were in a great attitude and you got to spend
time with him in an area Pennsylvania, the very active area of the state.
Absolutely absolutely. Did you want to talk about that expedition a little bit?
What exactly kind of puts you into the what got you excited about it?
Well, you know, the BFRRO seems like a big thing. Like
you you get online and you start researching Bigfoot encounters and reports, and the
BFRO comes up a lot. So when I saw I don't even know how
I found this, but I saw somewhere that they were accepting people to go
on this expedition and it was four hundred dollars a person. My husband said,
you are freaking insane to spend that money to go on this Picot expedition.
But it was my birthday and I was like, I'm going, and
I went out there. I knew no one. I didn't even know the
BFRO guys. I didn't know anybody in the group and the butt but literally
the whole group hit it off. But I really melded with Matt and Steve
and carry and we all live fairly close to each other, about an hour
apart, all of us, and the first couple of nights we were out
there, absolutely nothing happened. We got nothing. There was no house,
no growls, no footprints. We did a lot of hiking. But it
was a good time. I mean, we were getting to know each other
and sharing stories and experiences. And then that last night, Uh, it
was. It was incredible. That last night really sent me. If anything
pulled vaulted me down that rabbit hole, it was that night in the woods.
It was me and Matt and the the BFRO guy, and we had
an experience that I will never ever ever forget. And to have it with
Matt and and be like you saw that, you heard that was was phenomenal.
So yeah, And was an audio experience or was it a visual experience?
I don't even know how to answer that. It was we were the
three of us were standing on a logging road and there was woods on both
sides of us, and we heard something walking and it definitely sounded by petal
and you know, the leaves were crunching, and all three of us pulled
up our thermal cameras and there was absolutely nothing there, but you could still
hear this thing walking. It was Matt. It was amazing. I'm not
even gonna lie. It's an experience I will never forget. It was my
first real bigfoot experience. I mean, I'd seen it, but that was
pretty much it until that point in the woods with the BFR and it.
I just went like one hundred and fifty miles an hour after that experience.
And as you see there, Matt posts in the chat that was an awesome
experience, closest we got. And as I was saying there, when Matt's
a validator and he tries to eliminate everything you can possibly eliminate before he jumps
to a conclusion, I don't want to say I should say arrived student conclusion,
jumps to a conclusion, and you know, really wants to validate what's
going on, and uh, it's invaluable, it really is. You're not
going to hear me say anything anti Matt Arner, but you know I'd be
remiss if I didn't mention Stephen Cary too, because a great friends, but
great researchers carry was doing the show with you there for a little while,
and they're out in the great outdoors right now, fulfilling a dream. Yeah,
which is hopefully if they are listening or they get a chance to listen,
they're doing well and they keep checking in. It's great to see their
photos. We wish them the best and hopefully they you know, they stay
safe. But again great. Yeah, when they get up to Pennsylvania,
I'm going to go on the trail with them for a couple of days.
Yeah, it's not going to miss an opportunity to be in the woods.
Matt and I were just talking about that today. Actually, uh have some
events popping up. We'll fill you in when you get back from your vacation.
Now you're trying to he's down in there while you're whire down there.
I would, but I'm here to see my daughter. They moved down hit
My daughter and her wife moved down here about three weeks ago. So my
mom and I hopped on a plane on Wednesday or on Saturday and came down.
We're only here to Wednesday, so yeah, yeah, yeah, Well
you deserve a break every now and then. Thank you from from the Bigfoot.
But what you've been doing, you know, great stuff. One again,
we ran into you at the conferences networking really putting together a great portfolio
of not just research. As you know, we all kind of belong to
our tongue in chief research watchers, which you know we're going to be doing
a lot more stuff there. But when you're really getting involved in the educational
experience for youngsters, I'm trying, I'm trying. I mean, these are
the future of bigfooting. How many how many people have we lost in the
last six months to a year in the bigfoot world? Yeah, I mean
some well known, well versed people, and once that knowledge is gone,
it's gone. So we need to start passing this stuff on and get kids
interested in being outdoors. That's the most important part. Getting these kids off
the computer, off the game systems and getting them outside. It is.
Yeah, and there's there's something great Vans. You know, when we've had
my son out there with us a couple of times, he always he always
comes alive when we get him out there, and he's got such a good
mind for this research. And I'm not saying that because I'm his dad,
Because if he was a dumb as a rock, I'd tell you it was
a dumb as a rock. But you've got a good mind for this research,
and it is about bringing you know, younger people into this and fostering
a good, sensible, um you know, education around cryptic because there's a
lot of crap information out there too, and it's about bringing them up right
with that, with that, but still allowing him to make some of their
own decisions and reach their own conclusions. Right. You don't want to indoctrinate,
You just want to plan them in the right direction. Vans, you're
chopping at the bit to your good question. I do. I am chopping
at the bit. My question to you, before you had your visual experience
of this entity or creature or whatever it may be, going across a cornfield.
After that experience, did you reflect back to any times prior to that
happening of odd occurrences around where you live, and then not putting two and
two together there, I actually did, because I got married in twenty nineteen
in June, and about three months prior to that, my neighbor's my neighbor's
sister reads tarot cards and my husband was away on a business trip, and
they said, why don't you come up here. We're gonna have a tarot
card reading, and I was like, okay, I'm not doing anything,
so I'll go up and see what's going on, you know. And the
tarot card reader read started my tarot card reading, and in the middle of
it, she said, you need to go sit by that tree and she
pointed down my yard and I'm like that tree behind the chicken coop and she's
like yes, and I'm like no, Like it creeps me out. I've
always felt like I was being watched in the woods like something, you know,
just not a big fan of the woods out there, and and I
never I did go out there, like a month later because I got pissed
off and I was like, okay, you want to talk to me telling,
you know, come and get me, like tell me what you want
me to know. And the weirdest experience happened when I went out there.
I actually got drained of all of my energy. I had no energy to
walk back to the house. I got physically sick, like something just zapped
me with and I had no idea what it was. And like we had
weird experiences after that, Like I mean, you always felt like you were
being watched, but there was like a different tension like you could feel tension
in the air and you were like, you know, I'm not going to
sit outside tonight, I'm going to go in the house. So like it
was weird things. The dogs carrying on, nothing like they're at the door
scratching, barking, clawing to get outside. You open the door to let
them out, and they just cower. They won't leave the patio, and
you're like, what the hell is happening. Like reflecting back, I looked
at all of those instances and thought, holy shit, Like what if I
was interacting with this thing the whole time and didn't know it was there right
all prior to the fact of you understanding some of these things that were happening
to you. I'm assuming we're just weird anomalies that you couldn't figure out why
it was happening to you to begin with. Because I find the word zapped
that shows up so many times with people that have those experiences to feel and
they use that word. I felt zapped and felt like I was being watched.
I've explained to Sean a while ago, I had my own personal experience
that's not what this shows about. But I never had the sensation of what
it feels like to feel like you're being watched. Sometimes I get the hebg
bees, But I don't know if that's what that feeling is. Maybe I'm
just misconstruing it for myself. But yeah, that feeling of being watched and
that zapped and not feeling good and not having energy and you just want to
kind of sit down and call it a day at that point, And that's
that's terrifying. It was four o'clock in the afternoon and my husband said,
you want to sit and watch movies with me? And I said, no,
I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed. I'm tired. He's
like anour in the afternoon. I'm like, I don't care, I'm going
to bed. Wow. Wow, Well, that's amazing that you're able to
look back after you witness something and then be able to look backwards in time
to try to draw those two situations that may be related to each other.
And it's pretty interesting within itself. Yeah, that's what I was chomping at
the bit about Sean. That's all what happened before that. Yeah, but
you haven't seen any physical evidence like foot prints or broken limbs or anything like
that. I have had lots of that. Actually, Oh really, I
send everything everything that happens I take, I document everything, I take photographic
evidence. I keep a journal. I'm very meticulous about it and everything I
get. I take a picture, I send it to Sean. I don't
even say what it is. I just send it to him and see what
he by looking at it, what he thinks, what he said. And
uh so I send a lot of stuff to Sean. Probably I have a
lot of stuff Sean's not seen too. I'm sure probably you're probably when I
was out at your house, well the last time, your husband and I
were out walking around and we saw some interesting tree breaks, yes, and
we were looking at you know again, process of elimination. What could it
be? Could it be natural? Could it be you know winder? And
I think we could rule out some of those things with some of the odd
ways that they were broken. But you also have chickens and something that does
to something that does like to approach to chicken coop. Now have you been
able to did you put a camera out near there or any kind of sensor.
I have two cameras out there, one facing the woods behind the chicken
coop and one facing like you can see the chicken coop, but it's kind
of facing the woods past the chicken coop. And I've gotten some very strange,
some very strange things. I've gotten some some eyeshine you can't make You
can't make out a body, but you can definitely see eyeshine. They're bright,
glowing eyes. And the thing about it is is the wood line behind
the chicken coop is very steep like, so as soon as you hit that
wood line, it goes down. I was gonna say, if I could
interject your quick when the woods behind that chicken coop or not conducive to somebody
just messing around there. It's very dangerous. In fact, it's it's almost
at some points damning your vertical to ascend to get back up once you go
down it. I misjudged my physical abilities to do it, and I made
it. But it was definitely a workout for my fat ass. And but
it's it's not for the faintal heart. You'd think because off one part of
her land it's kind of flat, but then you start going trying to get
around to where these chickens are, and it's definitely you could break your neck
real quick messing around so whatever's coming after these chickens or visiting these chickens has
a good capacity to being able to traverse that traverse that geography. Yeah,
but where this eyeshine is in the trees, I'm estimating based on where it
landed in the tree in relation to where I think it was standing. It's
it's about ten feet because yeah, because the land troverts is so hard.
Now, in that one photo I believe I sent it to Sean, there's
actually two eyeshine. There's the one that's standing that's about ten foot, and
then there's a smaller one off to the right of it, looking at it,
looking towards the bigger subject, and it's shorter. So I believe,
based on all of the evidence that I've been able to collect, that I
at least have an adult and a juvenile that could come around pass through there.
Yeah, or even if not, it's either a little further back or
it's down off a little embankment. There's a subjectivity there, but I'm telling
you, the the area is not conducive to just somebody falling around or Okay,
So this brings me to another question. Do you sleep with your blinds
and windows closed or do you keep the windows open so you can see outside,
because I don't know if i'd want to open my eyes in the middle
of the night because I gotta go tinkle and see some maxim things stern at
me that would kind of creep me out. I used to sleep with my
blinds open. I do not anymore. I can't say I blame you.
I cannot say I blame you. One night, I was gonna say,
if you didn't have to pee before, you have no right. There was
one night that my husband was away because he works remote from home, so
sometimes he has to go to wherever it is that he's that he's working,
and the blends were open, and I was going to bed and I looked
out the blind and I saw these two red eyes staring back at me.
And no, I document everything. So I snapped a photo, got the
picture of the red eye. I started searching my house. What could make
that reflection in the window. Well, there's nothing. All the lights were
out and I don't have anything red in my house. So you know,
I'm a gun tote in Pennsylvania person. So I grabbed my handgun, and
I grabbed a flashlight, and I ran around the front of the house where
these red lights were, and I couldn't find them, and so I started
snapping photos and I just kind of panned the yard and then went back to
the window. And when I went back to the window, the same window
the first picture I took, there was nothing in the window. But when
I after I panned and I went back, there was a handprint in the
window. Why And it nearly scared to shoot out of me. I went
in the house, closed the blind and never opened them again. I don't
want to know. Yeah, that's that's a hard night sleep right there.
To calm yourself down to be able to sleep through the night after that,
that's insane. The photographs question, you know, again I hit Gwen with
the battery of questions. Do you have anything there that could be in red
reflection? Do you have any electronics in there? Get the outside her neighbors
haven't I could, you know theoretically, cause that are they tail lights?
You know, we went through everything and nothing, and I've been there on
the property and I've seen the window like it. You know, it adds
up. So again, does she have something frequenting out there? Yeah?
I would, I would say so we word Trish trying to really document it
and and get proof in and sheet on top of it. I'll say that
for anybody listening that has doubts that she's just another person telling you, No,
she's she's on top of it. She sends me, uh, she
sends me everything for the most part, like if it's new and rather it's
something important or something not, she shares it with me and probably with the
other members of our group so we can pine about it. And it's important
to do that. I think it's the best way to do it because I'm
not going to have all the answers, but maybe Matt has the answers,
or maybe Carry or Steve or somebody has saw something that you know, hope
I can explain that because I've seen it here, Like that's that's the power
of you know, the hive mind, and that's what Gwen's trying to do
with all that. It's nine thirty, guys. We do have to take
a quick break and we come back. We'll get James and Henry on board
to ask a couple of questions and get a little bit more talking about Got
Knockers. Folks, stay tuned. We got the big Foot bulletin coming.
Right at you as soon as I can find the damn button here though.
Ah. Yes, once again you're listening to another edition of the Sasquatch Experience
Bullhorn News. And to kick things up, I'd like to wish a very
happy birthday this past Friday to an avid listener and watcher who was yet not
to miss the show, Miss Valerie Ryles. She also happens to be my
best girl. So happy birthday, Valerie, and thank you for being part
of this little group onto the news. On May six, the Ford City
Public Library will play host to Bigfoot and UFO researcher Stand Gordon. Gordon visited
the Ford City last October and it was a very popular program, so he
was invited back, said Katie Wolf, the libraries program coordinator. The event
is titled Strange Aspects of Elusive Bigfoot and it will take place at two pm
on the event date at the library, which is located at one one three
six Fourth Avenue in Ford City, Pennsylvania. Now, I am aware that
most all of you that are listening are familiar with Stan Gordon, but if
not and you're new. Stan Gordon began his investigating reports of bigfoot sightings in
Pennsylvania in the late nineteen sixties. Since then, he's interviewed hundreds of witnesses
who claimed to him encountered these strange, hairy creatures. Sightings of Bigfoot continued
to take place yearly in Pennsylvania and across the country. But why have no
bodies ever been found? You will hear about some of the strangest cases ever
documented about Bigfoot? Could Bigfoot be something other than an undiscovered animal species?
Incidents involving Bigfoot and UFOs seen together, Trails of Bigfoot tracks that suddenly and
abruptly stop with no explanation, and possible government interest in these incidents are just
some of the startling details you will learn about his illustrated lecture. You will
also hear about the latest Bigfoot in UFO encounters around the area that have taken
place the last couple of years. Mister Gordon will also hold a question and
answer session and have books and DVDs available for signing and purchase. Preregistration is
required for planning purposes. Those seeking additional information or want to preregister are asked
to call the library at area code seven two four seven, six three three
five nine one again seven two four seven six, three, three, five
nine one. By May fifth of this year, when we come back,
the University of Pittsburgh Library has made a very un unique discovery within their confines
of a big Foot movie by George Ramero. We'll talk about that when we
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of Pittsburgh Library System has been hard at work sifting through the archives of late
filmmaker George A. Romero, discovering plenty of surprises along the way. Now
the team behind the effort has unearthed yet another unknown bit of Romero's work,
and fans of the horror genre will soon get to experience it. It was
recently announced that Archive has found a thirty five millimeter negative print of a previously
unseen short film in the George Romero archival collection, which was acquired by Pitt
back in twenty eighteen, and it's titled Jack Randa Joe. A film synopsis
provided in an email from Pitt says that in nineteen ninety four, Romero traveled
to Valencia Community College in central Florida to make a short film about the swamped
dwelling big Foot. Pitt did screen the film, which was described as being
largely unknown and presumed lost, on Tuesday, April twelfth during a virtual webinar.
The current event will mark the first time ever that the film was shown
to the public. Thanks again for listening to this edition of the Sasquatch Experience,
Bigfoot Bullhorn News and until next time, keep your toes in the mud.
What if I don't want to keep my toes in the mud? I
keep your toes in the mud, all right? Thank you for that vance,
great, great segment. As always, mister Stan Gordon, Guys,
get out there and see Stan. If you haven't had an opportunity to do
so, do it. Good guy. Welcome back folk, Sasquatch Experience Sean
Forker, James Baker, Henry May, Vince nesbit our guest tonight when Purcell
from Got Knockers from behind tall Tree, She's everywhere, folks, when thanks
for joining us tonight. We appreciate you coming on and talking a little bit
about your big foot journey so far. M Baker, Henry Any questions you
gentlemen have because Vans and I tend to hog their segment. Yeah, I
wanted to ask Gwen about has she found any other type of trace evidence around
her home, like footprints or strange odors or anything like that. I we
have had we have had periods, or I should say, episodes where we've
had some really strange odors, Like just smells like garbage. It's garbage mixed
with death. I don't know how else to describe it. It's terrible.
Like we've come home from places and you get out of the car and you're
like, what the hell is that small? Like, it's just terrible.
The ground that we have is not super conducive to prints because it's a lot
of shale. I have captured two. They're hard to look at when you're
on the picture, but if you're standing over top of them, you're like,
oh my gosh, that could be a foot print. I've snapped photos
of them and documented like their size, but when you look at the picture,
it's just hard to see. So I don't I haven't bothered to even
share them with anybody because they're just not conclusive enough. And I mean we
have, like Sean said, we have had quite a few tree breaks,
branches ripped out of trees and then shoved back in behind the break, like
outside branches broken and then shoved back in the tree. We've had. Um,
there's actually a tree branch that points to my house and down in the
woods that I've never seen before. And I've tried to find where this tree
could have come from, and I there, I can't find where the rest
of the tree is, but it's leaned up against another tree, and it's
pointed right at my house like a marker, like to say, this is
the place. I don't know. I mean, I I just know that
that's there. I don't know what the purpose is of is it or or
anything. But yeah, we've had those, and I didn't catch a I
was out with Steve actually and we caught a big a big hair like a
piece of hair that was ripped off, and we we split the sample.
He has half and I have half, but we haven't done it. Neither
one of us have done anything with the sample yet. Now we've heard some
vocalizations out there too. Have you were you able to get any on recordings?
Gwynn Funny you should ask um. I do not go out there without
a voice recorder. Carrie and I sleep in the backyard a lot we've cut,
We pitched tents. We sleep out there. I leave a voice recorder
out all night long. I got the one night we were out there,
I heard a giggle in the middle of the night. I thought it,
so I just rolled back over and went to sleep. That same night she
heard my voice come from the chicken coop, so she thought I was up.
She got six in the morning. I can assure you, if I'm
not working, I'm not up at six in the morning. She got out
of the tent and I was sound asleep, snoring away in my cousin me
when I got up, And when I did finally get up seven thirty,
she was waiting for me, and she's like, do you talk to your
chickens, and I said, yeah, you say, and I'm like,
hello, ladies, and she narrowly freaked out because that's exactly the voice that
came from the chicken coop. She swore it was me saying hello ladies to
the chickens, and I happened to have that on voice recording, So it's
pretty wild. Yeah. I haven't shared those with anybody, with anybody yet.
Those I remember Carrie talking about that when we were up there, Gwen.
But again, Vance, you know, let's think back to some other
folks we've had on the program. Yeah right, Julie, Yeah right,
Wrench and everything that she had. That's, you know, not uncommon to
hear of that sort of behavior, Gwen. It's this is the stuff that
drives me and keeps me going when you can start connecting behaviors and repeat patterns,
and hey, not only is it happening to these folks. Hey,
guess what that was in North Carolina. This is in Pennsylvania. It's the
same name, right, I guess what. They've probably reported that behavior in
Washington, Oregon, California, everywhere in between. Well, I have heard
of circumstances coming from the Pacific Northwest with mimics of the same effect, and
I'm I, you know, wonder to myself, is the mimic done just
to calm down the creatures in the area with something that it's familiar with,
like you, Gwen saying you know, hello ladies or whatever to the chickens.
That that keeps the chickens calm. They know who you are. And
then here's maybe a predatory beast saying the same thing to keep everything calm while
they try to figure out how to get a chicken. I don't know.
I'm just speculating, but what's the point other than it's to calm the environment
down while it's doing a predatory move. I don't know. It's creepy.
It's beyond creepy, actually that I have no words. It's weird because we
have a rooster in with the hens, and there are some nights when you
don't hear those chickens at all, and there are other nights with that rooster
is crowing for all its words. And I'm like something something's going on outside.
And I have walked out there with a flashlight, gone down to the
chicken coop and I'm in the woods with a flashlight. I don't see a
damn thing. That rooster is upset about something. He's just growing like there's
no tomorrow. I know when something's going on out there, because right,
yeah, I mean I couldn't. I could imagine there'd be times that you
know, normal known wildlife might be, you know, being predacious around a
chicken coop, like a fox or coyote or something. I could see that
and it disturbs them. But when you do go out there, those type
of creatures seem to be very wary and we'll just leave the area instantly.
But to go out there with a flashlight, um, yeah, I think
I'm bringing a little bit more than just a flashlight with me to go out
there. I don't know. I might want the you know, air National
Guard, second Airborne out there with me or something. I don't know.
That's crazy. Yeah, I'm not going to say that. I don't get
scared because I'm a tough girl, and I will go out there, and
I will go out there alone with my gun and my flashlight. But I'm
still shitting my pants blaw. Yeah. Likewise, I know I will know.
I still know. Yeah, Well, kudos to you. Do you
think how many years have you lived out there in general. Seven, do
you think as you develop your land and your farm and your areas and stuff
like that, do you see that draws it in more or it makes it
go way more. I think it draws it in more, to be honest.
We just had quite a bit of landscaping done and they came with a
big piece of machinery and they tore that whole one section of forest down,
and I immediately, like I came home from work and I saw that all
these trees were gone, and I went, oh my god. And my
husband was like what and that the landscaper was standing right there, and I'm
like, somebody's not gonna be happy about this, and he wasn't. And
the next morning I come out there was a tree broke at like five feet
in the air and it was standing the day before. Like he lets us
know when they're not happy about something. Because yeah, I wondered that,
because I found that when like I got a little bit of land, and
I found when I developed things, the animals go over and look at what
I was doing, Like I've been making this area for a gold little mini
putt. And when I started cutting the trees down and I started making them
into a certain thing, or when I started putting the haybells in or moving
stuff around, the next day the game, the game camps will be full
of deer in that area, like what's he doing over there? Well,
the next day when I came back in, there would be deer poop and
places that weren't you know, like you start to know your land, you
know absolutely. And the thing is is, like I wondered that with a
lot of times, because we talk about um DeForest Station and we talked about
a variety of how a lot of times we're stepping into nature's areas and then
we're wondering, well, why are their bears downtown? Well, because downtown
used to be a forest. You know, they don't know the difference.
They just know there's food and the big cans, you know. Like,
so I wondered the same thing with you was as you developed it, Like
you said, you were growing corn, you got chickens. Now do you
think you're drawing in more? You know, they're still keeping their zone.
Like I said, when you knocked down a tree, they know it and
they're pissed off. But like, do you think you draw them in more?
Like, oh, look, there's some corn on a you know,
and that way have something to eat more. And I I gotta be honest,
when when Carrie and I had that experience with the mimicking in the outside
the chicken coop, I had to really sit back and reflect and wonder how
long have they been watching me? Have they been here this whole time?
And it's not the first time. Like the night that Sean and Matt were
at the house and we did some researching in the woods, I knew the
next day that they were not happy about the group of us being out in
the woods because they there were tree breaks right along the edge of the property.
That that tree was not broken yet last night when we were out here,
but this morning it's snapped off at five feet. I mean, there's
been multiple times where I distinctly get it. Like the next morning, I
walk up, I wake up, I go outside, and I'm like,
yep, somebody is not happy, Like I just know they they let me
know, so I don't they have to have been watching me for quite some
time. I don't know what the fascination is. I'm really a boring person.
But it's the interaction. I think you are interacting, you're responding and
you haven't taken anything away that they still find interesting, like the chickens.
The chickens are still there. And have you had any chickens killed? Yes?
We actually uh I came home one day from work and there was a
chicken loose. And now these are fully caged chickens, roof walls, the
whole nine yards. I do. I have an electric fence around the whole
bottom half of the chicken coop so nothing gets Yeah, don't be on it.
I got zapped the other day. But uh, I'm not not peeing
on it. By the way, I just touched an accident. Thank you
my picture in my head. After I said it, I was like,
I should probably can clarify that. Oh, but uh I came home and
found this chicken out. I got her back in the pen and decided to
go and site where it was she was getting out of. And the whole
side of the pen, the bottom half had been ripped away. Now it's
on there with some pretty sizeable you have to nail these U shaped brackets in
to hold and the U shaped brackets were all just hanging there. Something had
put its hands in there and ripped that fencing away. And then when I
got around to the backside. The top half of the chicken coop is just
chicken wire. It wasn't torn, it was just pulled away and rolled back
like a sardine can. And I had feathers everywhere. Yeah, I was
missing probably about three or four chickens. They were gone. But it's not
hastily built. It's not ramshacky. It's a pretty nice structure that these chickens
staying. So, I mean, it's it's more elaborate than it sounds.
But she's right. It was peeled back and it's just it is interesting,
tried. Its interesting that any kind of research that you've done previous to the
seven years that you've lived there at all through the township or newspaper articles or
library. Our house was built in ninety nine and we're only the second owners
of the house. Previous to that, it was just farmland. Now the
only the only thing I can find is that there were Susquehannock Indians that lived
in Sunbury and they had a trail that went from Sunbury to Shamokin and it
went right through my backyard. So that's the only thing I can find historic.
It's it's a farm in the mountainous kind of yeah, hello type area.
It's it's very interesting to describe the property she lives in and the area
it's in because it's a farmland, but it's in the hills with some steep
ash drops off in her backyard. It's very interesting. It's not what you
typically think of farmland. That's why I wanted to kind of add some elaboration
on that. Right, very different. So is it So it's going to
sound like a silly question, Gwen, is this a good thing for you?
Or is this something that, Yeah, I didn't sign up for this.
You know, in the beginning, I would have said I didn't sign
up for this. But learning everything that I've learned, and I'm far from
an expert, and I learned new things every day, most of it on
my own, but a lot of it, you know, I learn a
lot from other people that I can get a chance to interact within me and
talk to at camp conferences and festivals. But I now think it's I don't
know. I've kind of taken it on kind of as as my duty,
like I have a duty now, Like I don't know why these things are
happening. I don't know why they're happening to me. I don't know what
the fascination is that they've decided to interact with me on my neighborhood because I
can go to my neighbors and I'm constantly asking them, have you heard anything?
Have you seen anything? And they think I'm crazy, all of them.
I'm crazy. They're like, no, Gwen, we haven't seen Bigfoot,
right. But I just think now it's kind of like my job.
You're a great student, you really, I think you you learn, you
asked questions, you make suggestions. Yeah, you're not afraid to get your
hands dirty. Uh. Great to work with. I'll say that. I,
you know, enjoy our research partnership, which is only going to amp
up this year because we've got so much to do. It seems like every
day something news coming along the pipeline that we just got to get our hands
on. It's just finding time because you know what, folks, we are
real people with real lives too. She got back to this. Yeah,
but it's it's great stuff. And I'm I'm privileged that you came on the
show with us tonight. I'm glad you're in the search. It's been glad
to know you and to research with you, So tell us a little bit
about the show where folks can listen, and who's been the favorite person you've
interviewed so far besides me. Well, Um, the show is called From
Behind Tall Trees. It's on the c a ARC Universal Network on YouTube.
Um. This year, I'm doing the show solo. I'm probably gonna have
a like a guest co host from time to time. And who my favorite
guest, oh, besides Sean would have to be h would have to be
Matt cheap plug. Cheap plug. Yeah, he's a wealth of knowledge and
coming from the background that he has, Like I really lean on him,
like when I send you guys those eyeshine photos, I really lean on him
to say, you know, hey, we need to get out there and
we need to measure where this stuff is because he's great at that kind of
stuff. That's what he does exactly, that it's his background. So yeah,
I I can't thank you guys enough because if it wasn't for Matt,
I would have never met you. Because at Salt Fork, Matt was very
adamant about you got to meet my friend Sewn, you gotta meet my friend
Sean, and I gotta you know, I was just saying to my mom
yesterday, I'm like, you know, this big Foot community, it's like
a double edged sword. You either you either find the best people you've ever
met in your entire life and you become or you find ship bags that are
just awful to deal with, which you never met them. And yeah,
so I've gotten super lucky that I've gotten to meet great people. So I
don't I never regret going down this rabbit hole, because without this rabbit hole,
I wouldn't have Sean, Matt, Steve Carrie, I wouldn't have the
guys at the c Aarc that have become like brothers to me. Like it's
just become we're like a family. It is very much so right, and
we're all in this together, like it or not to find out, you
know, answers right, and to think about this when I guess I'll cap
the thought the show off with this final thought besides giving you guys an opportunity
to give yours. You know, this research has been going on now since
the fifties and we're still no damn closer to finding the truth than we were
back then. So eventually something's got to give. And you know what better
group of people to research with than you. Guys. Honestly, Baker,
you're coming up almost in twenty years of research yourself. Now. The thought
about that you've been involved in this for almost as long it's crazy to think
about. So guys all that that's kind of my final thoughts, and I'll
go ahead and give you yours, and I know she's got go ahead.
Uh well, Gwen, thank you. Because when people share their story,
whether it's really brief or it's in depth, and I think we all go
through the same thing. We have the image in our head as you're telling
the story, because you're illustrating images as a story is being told. And
that's how I draw a correlation to what it is that you're sharing and an
understanding of when you see something for one time and it changes your life,
It truly changes your life. And I will say a thousand witnesses that have
seen something once and it's changed their life and they need to know answers.
And then I'm left holding the bag going, maybe this damn thing is smarter
than all of us, and that's why we don't have any answers yet.
How crazy is it? Just like Sean said, you know, we've been
intently researching this since the fifties, it's been around a lot longer than that,
but intently researching it, and yet we still don't have any more answers.
Really, what's see an intellect level here that it can actually be seen,
and yet we still don't know what it is. But thank you for
sharing the experiences, the story, the witness, the evidence, and thanks
for coming on the show. I greatly appreciate it. Yeah, it takes
a lot of bravery to share your account sometimes because you'll know who to talk
to sometimes, right, Yeah, that's true. Matt Arner writes, Gwen
is a fantastic host on her show and was an awesome guest tonight. Great
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not much. I mean, I thank you for your story, and I'm
glad that you're you're you're an average person because a lot of times when people
start talking about cohabitation and things like that, they go a little they go
a little extra. It was over in my house us. I gave it
pie. You know some of the things like dance says, you know,
it's you know, I've always said, it's either got to be smarter than
us or non existent. There has to be one way or the other,
because there's no way that it's just an animal, because if it's just an
animal, we had just hit it with a car, you know. True.
Thank you for your time and thank you for answering my random question.
So thank you for having me. It was fantastic. And banker is going
to kill us with his cop COVID. What do you when? Where can
folks find you? At and where are you going to be next? Well,
May sixth, I'm gonna be in Salt Fork. I actually secured a
vendor spot there, so you will. I will be there all day,
and then on the following weekend I'll be in Caledonia, New York. And
then and the third weekend in May, I will be at Penhurst in nearer
Philly for our show, and then I'm taking the weekend off as well.
Gwen again, thanks for joining us. We appreciate having you on. We'll
have you on again here because there's always more to talk about. Henry,
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