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Using free speech to free minds.
You're listening to the David Night Show.

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As the clock strikes thirteen, it's
Wednesday, the twenty eighth of February.

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You're of our Lord twenty twenty four. Well, today we're going to talk

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about what can begin with Bill Gates's
fantasy program of releasing mosquitoes. Now,

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in this particular case, they're not
directly vaccinating people, but they've had in

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areas where they have released their GMO
mosquitoes they now have dinghy fever rocketing by

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four hundred percent. Maybe they can
sell some more vaccines for that. We're

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going to take a gonna begun by
taking a look at where the global technocracy

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is right now. And they're also
going to take a look at the escalating

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conflict between Paganism and Christianity and go
back to Augustine, the guy who gave

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us the just war theory. Is
there really a benefit for the City of

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man if the residents of the City
of God get active in the political sphere.

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We'll talk about that. Stay with
us. Well, we've got a

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lot of people in the Trump Movement
Republican Party want to drain the swamp,

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but not Bill Gates. He wants
to sterilize the mosquitos and leave the swamp

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like it is. And the thing
some were vaccines that way as well.

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He has spent lots and lots of
money. He's spent one hundred twenty million

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dollars with his Gates Foundation to push
out gene edited mosquitoes, and that is

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accelerated in recent years, the amount
of money that he has spent. But

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now as they're releasing this massive amount
of new mosquitoes, but of course they're

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sterilized, you need to understand they're
sterilized. And so the idea is that

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if they breed with other mosquitoes out
there, that you'll have a reduction of

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population, kind of you know,
the whole Trump vaccine thing in a box,

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right, that's the idea for mosquitoes. We get that instead. But

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it seems like that's not really what
is happening, because they've had a massive

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increase in dingay fever. So I
don't know if that works for mosquitoes.

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It is working for humans. The
vaccine program is causing us to have a

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massive drop in population, combined with
their psychological programming. As I point out

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the other day, just the strangest
inversion. I've seen even in my lifetime

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the attitudes of men and women.
You know, it used to be you

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had one day a year we'd have
the Sadie Hawkins thing and the women would

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be able to ask the men out
for a date. Now they don't want

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to. They just want to go
to a Taylor Swift concert and remain childless.

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It's the guys who want to get
married. They can't find anybody who

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wants to get married. And you
look at the attitudes of male versus female

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and if they want to have children
not. They've completely reversed that, and

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it's just barely over fifty percent for
me, but it's under fifty percent for

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women. They have completely destroyed the
desire to have children, which is the

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most natural thing that has always been
there throughout humanity. For women. They

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were always the one who want the
ones who wanted to build a nest and

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create a family, and that now
they've completely destroyed that. Within my lifetime,

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I've seen that completely reversed. But
the Mosquitos still haven't gotten the message

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yet. Maybe they didn't combine this
sterilization tactic with TV programs that Mosquitos wanted

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to watch. Spiked fourfold in Brazil
following the release of millions of gene edited

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mosquitoes. That's four hundred percent by
the World Mosquito Program run by the United

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Nations, funded largely by the Bill
Gates Foundation. But it's not just in

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Brazil. It's also in the swamps
of Peru, Argentina, Laos, other

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places like that. And we have
The Guardian has reported on it. Nearly

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a million cases in Brazil, nearly
a million cases in Peru. And unlike

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the panic about measles, people are
already dying from this from ding gay fever.

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There's been several dozen ding gay favors
deaths and they've had Brazil now is

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responding by buying a vaccine. So
was this the plant all along? Get

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people to get the vaccine. As
many people point out, mosquitoes carry so

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many different diseases that they are the
most dangerous animal in the world because the

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number of people that they kill more
than hippopotami. They cite a World Health

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Organization warning that more than half of
the world was at risk from mosquita transmitted

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ding gay fever. Well, we're
at risk from Bill Gates, who was

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and the money that he throws around
everywhere to kill people literally, by the

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way, you know, that's the
World Health Organization. The other one was

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the World Mosquito Program. Bill Gase
has given them one hundred and twenty million

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dollars of the World Health Organization.
He gives them much much more money.

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He's given billions, maybe tens of
billions. I haven't looked. I forget

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what that number was, but he
is a major funder, you know,

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of the World Health Organization. The
US response after they talked about the fact,

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well, you know, got half
the world's population is at risk of

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dingy fever. So let's create sterilized
mosquitoes, release them and the response in

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just a month is to have an
explosion of more than four times four hundred

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percent increase. Countries have already started
to do this. Italy included Greece,

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others, and then the United States, France, and Brazil. Now Brazil

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has done it, the US and
France are starting to do it. There

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has been a I remember years ago
there was one program in Florida where they

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did that. Never got to follow
up to it to know exactly what the

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results of that were. Now we
must prove that it will also impact the

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transmission of the disease. They said, well, they noticed that. They

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didn't say lesson lesson the transmission of
the disease. They just said impact it.

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Maybe it makes it more prevalent.
The very disease that they justified having

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the sterilized mosquitoes for has gone up
by four hundred percent. It has achieved

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that goal. It did impact the
transmission of the disease. That increased it

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by four hundred percent. So what's
the problem. They're very careful about their

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language, aren't they. So officials
say the problem is not the massive number

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of mosquitos that they've added. The
problem is global warming. Global warming released

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the mosquitoes, not the Gates Founder. No, the Gates Foundation released the

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mosquitos. It's absolutely amazing. It
always go back to the other mcguffin.

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Right, we've got to have we've
got to cut down more trees and bury

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them. Now either we were paying
them to plant trees, now we're going

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to pay them to cut the trees
down and to bury them so their CO

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two will not be released. And
then we look at the fifteen minute city

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which is just marching on in Oxford, England. They really don't care.

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And they've even said this out loud, well, we don't care if people

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like this or not. We're going
to do this, and the people don't

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like it. In Oxford, so
it was one of the first places where

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they had a fifteen minute scheme where
they're going to limit. As we've talked

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about this in the past, in
Oxford, you were limited. You were

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assigned to zone in this Oxford County
and you cannot go to the other areas.

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You can travel around in your zone. You can even drive your car

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as much as you like in your
little zone, assuming that you've got a

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place to go that you really need
to go, somewhere that you know there's

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a destination to go to. But
you can drive as much as you want

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to in your little area there.
But if you want to go outside of

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that area, that's by permission only, and they won't give you permission for

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more than one hundred trips a year
three hundred and sixty five days a year,

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so you know you can only do
that one hundred times a year.

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They call them low traffic neighborhoods lt
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emission zones in London. You l
EAZ and so this goes back to March

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twenty twenty one where they started doing
it. Immediately they had backlash. We've

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shown you the protests. We've shown
you some of these cities, how they're

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removing the obstacles, how they're removing
the cameras that spy on people, because

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that's how they enforce it now,
just put up the obstacles. They have

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cameras there to record people's license plates
and recognize them and then issue them a

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fine. So the cameras have to
go as well, which some people have

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obliged that they prohibited drive vehicles from
driving without a permit. They have traffic

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filters they call them, or bus
gates. They'll be monitored by automatic number

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plate recognition cameras. So it's interesting
these euphemisms that they put out there.

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A speed bump is called traffic calmbing
if you restrict the width of the road

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because nobody's building any more roads or
not widening them. Of course, you

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can't widen them in the cities,
but you could make them go up,

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which is or down. Elon Musk
said, you your cities are going vertically,

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Well, we got to grow the
transportation vertically. And everybody always understood

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that the science fiction they didn't go
underground, but they went above ground.

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He went below ground. I guess
to emphasize electric vehicles. But now there's

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some kind of a toxic ooze,
they claim in his tunnels in Las Vegas.

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So we'll see what happens. I
don't know if they're going to come

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up with some kind of a boring
explanation or not. But so they aren't

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going to widen the roads. Instead, they restrict the roads of bicycle lanes.

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They call that a road diet.
So a speed bump is calming.

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A restriction in the width of the
road is called a diet. And now

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they have the traffic filters, filters
which block anybody except for buses, to

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be able to go from one zone
to the other. Residents in Oxford,

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in some areas just out the side
the city will be able to apply for

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a permit, the permission permission?
Can I have permission to drive? Well,

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we'll let you do it for up
to one hundred days per year,

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but never more than that. Never
given permission to do more than that.

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And again, when they can use
their cars as much as they like within

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their district, are they not worried
about the mythical co two monster coming out

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the tailpipes. Evidently not only it
doesn't count except in certain political ways,

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which is very consistent with the Paris
Climate A Court. Emissions coming from China

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and India don't count towards global warming
or global emissions. They don't count.

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And so within your little zone there
you can drive as much as you want

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and those emissions don't count. It
only counts if you go into an adjacent

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area. Now it matters, folks. It's all politics. It's just like

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the vaccine. The vaccine was never
about medicine. This is not about climate.

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It's not about CO two. It's
not about warming or cooling or climate

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change. It's about political control.
Oxfordshire County Council Cabinet Member for Travel and

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Development Strategy to Stop Travel, to
Stop Development insisted that the controversial fifteen minute

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Neighborhood Plan would go ahead. Quote
whether people like it or not. You

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see, this is political and it
is not with representation. This is not

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about democracy. It's not about the
rule of law. It's not about anybody

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having any rights in a republic or
anything like that. No, this is

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about what they say. The law
is what they say. It's the dictatorship

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is what we have always understood that
you take dictates from them, you do

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what they say. It's going to
go forward, whether the people like it

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or not. We're going to continue
to do this. What's a justification for

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this? Again? If you can
drive as much as you want to in

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your neighborhood, how does that affect
anything? And China, as we look

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at the commercial real estate market that's
melting down because of the global lockdown,

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and it's interesting, isn't it to
see how all of these different things are

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being done in every country at the
same time. Just had somebody contact me

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and say, you know the speech
regulations in Canada for this new law or

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even worse than in Ireland. Well, I haven't compared those, but I

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will. I haven't had time to
read that yet. Isn't it interesting?

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You know, just they're doing this
in Ireland, they're doing it in Canada.

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They all of this stuff happening at
the same time. Everybody marching in

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lockstep to lock us down, just
like they did with the pandemic, and

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that included Trump during that point in
time. And so they've got this global

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agenda and they're all on it.
I mean, is already talking about his

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freedom cities, and of course the
crash and real estate, the commercial real

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estate crash happening big time in China
because in China they haven't been following market

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forces, but they've been following the
dictates of central planners. They really overbuilt

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their residential stuff in many, many
different ways. They were in trouble even

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before this ridiculous lockdown, but had
nothing to do with health. It didn't

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help anybody to lock everybody down.
It just destroyed our economy. It's part

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of the great taking, part of
the redistribution. So in China, where

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they've got some of these large skyscrapers, they are now trying to repurpose them

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into living apartments, which a lot
of people have said, well, you

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know what, can't we do that
in the United States? Or will they

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do that in the United States?
And I've asked Gerald Clinty that many times.

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He said, now, it's just
not a cost effect. Will do

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it. Well, if you don't
really care about the cost of living,

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and if you don't really have any
standards like they don't in China, yeah

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you can do that. You don't
care about the quality of anything, you

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don't care about the safety of anything. You don't care about whether or not

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the people like it or not,
you can do it. You got people

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in China who are living When we
were there, was it about sixteen seventeen

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years ago, I guess people were
living in storage sheds and they had no

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windows, no doors. They had
a garage door, just like a storage

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shed does. They had all their
belongings there and they would open up that

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garage door to get ventilation and light
and all the rest of this stuff.

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So you'd drive by and you'd see
everybody just sitting there in a little cubicle.

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You know, no privacy or anything
there. So, yeah, if

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you don't care about the quality of
life, there's all kinds of things that

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present themselves to his opportunities. Is
one of the reasons why George W.

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Bush and Pierre and Justin Trudeau have
always said, oh, I could only

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be like the people in the guy
in China. I could just tell people

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what to do and then do it. Well, we're at that point now,

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aren't we. So in China they've
got one of these skyscrapers. They're

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going to put thirty thousand people into
it. It's going to be a giant,

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fifteen minute city. And as the
headline says, it's like a giant

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ant farm. There it is technocracy. Yeah, it is like a giant

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ant farm. That's how they see
us. Maybe that or you know,

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bees, worker bees and that type
of thing, the ultimate smart city and

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sustainable living, and that's how this, you know, the article. So

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so he has his comments there technocracy, but then he also links the article,

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wonderful type of article? Truly amazing
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thirty thousand up to thirty thousand residents. They want to maximize their revenue.

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leave. Right now, there's twenty
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under one roof. And this is
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And you never need to go out, and maybe you'll never be allowed

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to go out. And it now
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are twenty thousand. Is originally designed
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it a food court. They've got
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pools, barbershops, nail salons,
and internet cafes. I mean, who

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needs anything else? Right, thing
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Especially we've got an internet cafe.
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and that's the way you leave.
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everybody. With everything quite literally on
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people to leave the building, and
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step foot outside at all. Welcome
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could be hell. You check in
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can never leave right And of course
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and people had to be insane to
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future. Smaller apartments without windows usually
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a month. The larger apartments with
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five hundred and sixty dollars a month
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quote the most sustainable living building on
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I have to understand the whole point
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sustainability, sustainable goals, development goals, and that type of thing. That's

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the point, that's the buzzword sustainable. So when they talk about this,

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well, you know, this is
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Bill Gates would love this. Have
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know, one or two hundred square
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Apple has abandoned the electric car.
Isn't that interesting? Electric cars are

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so twenty twenty three. You know, let's do something that's hip, that's

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happening today, you know, the
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and so let's go with artificial intelligence. And that's exactly what they're going

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to do. They're abandoning one of
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the company. They have been working
on this for sixteen years. But you

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know, who needs a car when
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VR headset and so they had two
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they were not even just like,
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You found out that he's being fired
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he was on a trip. Well, that's kind of the way it was

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with these two thousand Apple employees and
the stock went up. Why did the

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stock go up because again they said
they're going to now focus on generative AI,

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the buzzword for everything. It's a
solution to everything. Well, it

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is the way to have the government
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the government wants AI. AI is
so when you're talking about surveillance and control,

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isn't it, especially when you talk
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AI does the best. And of
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images, which is which is great. Like I said, one picture is

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worth a thousand words, and boy, they put out thousands of pictures.

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people who are technologists. Mario Jurich, director of the Dirac Institute at the

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University of Washington, Seattle, and
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I've been watching all this stuff and
the bottom line, he pointed out,

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is that do you realize just how
deliberate this is. This isn't stupid,

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this isn't an accident. And this
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and bias of Google, but it
also shows how deliberate he says. I'm

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done with Google. He said,
I've been reading Google Gemini damage control posts

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where they try to explain how this
happened. I think they're simply not telling

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the truth. For one, their
text only product has the same, if

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not worse issues. Second, if
you know a bit about how these models

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are built, and you know,
you don't get these incorrect answers through one

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off innocent mistakes. Oh, mistakes
have been made. No, they weren't

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mistakes, he said. Gemini's output
reflects the many, many years of labeling

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efforts, of training, of fine
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all the rest of the stuff.
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people to build in these kinds of
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that's how they build in their biases. And so that's all going through.

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who are fine tuning it, who
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all iteratively guided by the team who
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you do it from the inside.
You do it iteratively. You can

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also be certain that before releasing it, many people have tried the products internally,

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and that there were many demos that
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vps and they all thought it was
fine. He said. The balance of

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probabilities is strongly against the outputs being
an innocent bug as they are now trying

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to spend it. Gemini is a
product that functions exactly as designed. He's

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doing exactly what they wanted it to
do. See, that's the key.

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You have to keep telling people that
about our schools. You have to keep

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telling people that about our universe.
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our media and entertainment. This isn't
just a coincidence. They were designed and

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trained and tested to put out the
garbage that is really societal warfare, cultural

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warfare, spiritual warfare on us.
So the schools, the media, of

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the entertainment, all this is doing
exactly what it was designed to do.

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And who designed that. Who's a
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The government is funding it, just
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the rest of the stuff. People. You know, oh, well,

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look at everything that Biden did,
and yeah, Biden did it. But

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when it happens during the Trump administration, Trump didn't anything to do that.

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He didn't do it. Biden did
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it. But Trump, he didn't
do any of that stuff. They did

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it to him. He's just an
innocent bystander, right, He's just it's

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just some goober, some gomer piles. And how they do that, I

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don't know. But we've got to
get him back in to save us,

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right, we need that goober to
save us. Goober Mont. Uh.

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Those values appear to include a desire
to reshape the world. What are we

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doing tomorrow? Brain? In a
specific way, they said it's desirable to

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train their AI to prioritize ideology ahead
of giving the users facts. This guy

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who is looking at you, who
says I'm done with Google, he says,

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they outright hide information. What have
I been saying for the longest time?

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You know this is this is a
search engine designed to hide information and

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people. He says, for anyone
with a shred of awareness of human history,

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it should be clear how unbelievably irresponsible
it is to build a system that

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aims to become an authority of compendium
of human knowledge, but which actually prioritizes

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ideology over fact. Do you think
that's what jcr. Lickliter had in mind

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in the nineteen sixties when we talked
about intergalactic computer network. You know,

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Darko was paying him to do that. Do you think that they wanted to

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change people's minds? Of course they
did. Everything that the CIA and intelligence

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communities have done since their inception has
been to manipulate people's minds, whether it's

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with LSD or with the Internet.
And so this darkest psychologist, looklader knew

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exactly what he was doing. They
just had to wait a few decades for

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the technology to become practical. But
it was done that way by design.

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And when the technology became practical,
they started pouring money into it left and

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right and creating companies like Google and
Facebook and Twitter and the rest of these.

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Yeah, their mission statement, don't
be evil. Yeah, that job's

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already taken by the government. Right, be a minion, don't be evil,

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be just just be a minion.
Do everything the government tells you to

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do. He says, also in
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when you talk about it being authoritative, it's really authoritarian which is the

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ultimate goal. Here, he says, in a purely business sense, it's

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beyond stupid to build a product which
will explicitly put your company's social agenda before

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the customer's needs. But don't they
all do that now? All the big

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corporations do that, and all the
governments do that. Think about that,

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right, If you're a politician,
why would you put your agenda of globalism

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or global health, or climate change
or any of these other mcguffins. Why

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would you take a global agenda pushed
by the UN, push by Claus,

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push by Builderberg, whatever, all
the you know, they're all the same

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agendas, right, Why would you
take this overarching global agenda of technocracy and

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cram it down people's throats? I
mean you got to stand for election.

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Well, that's right. The elections
don't matter. They can rig the elections

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with the technocracy, can't they.
It doesn't matter, and it hasn't mattered

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for a long time. They pick
who's going to run, they shut down

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anybody that they don't like. Has
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has been my entire life. It
took me a few decades to realize that.

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But yeah, that's where it is. So so think about Google search

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for all of his issues. He
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tool because it focused on providing accurate
and useful information, not for many many

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years that it gained its trust.
You see, that's how con artists work.

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They have to give you accurate information. And you see this with the

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big cons now, the big conservative
media, they gave you just like Google,

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they gave you accurate information to gain
your trust, and then they began

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the lies. It's kind of interesting
to see it happening with Tucker Crawlson because

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you know he was working for Fox. He was working ultimately for pharmaceutical companies

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and for the CIA. But you
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you what the pharmaceutical companies are doing. He just kind of sat on the

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outside. He might do an eye
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he wouldn't do it. Now he's
doing this other stuff to gain your trust.

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Do you trust him and does he
really want to come clean about what

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he did in the past years.
So now he says, they're ready to

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lie to the user in order to
advance their social agenda. Google before they

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had Gemini, they had YouTube,
of course, and when they took over

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YouTube and started running it, they
did things like shutting down my report about

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the creation of the Federal Reserve.
So this has been there for long.

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That was eleven years ago, now
eleven years ago. So ask yourself,

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what would search look like if the
staff who brought you Gemini was tasked to

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interpret them and to rebuild it accordingly. Well, he said, Google has

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promised exactly to do that. They're
going to embed Gemini everywhere. Gemini is

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going to be in Google Search,
Gemini is going to be in YouTube.

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He says. That's why, as
of this weekend, I've started divorcing my

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personal life and taking my information out
of the Google ecosystem. He says.

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I'm absolutely done with Google. He
says it'll probably take me about a year

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because he says he's invested in nearly
everything that they have, from Google Search,

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to Pixel to Assistant to more obscure
things like voice. But it has

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to be done. He said.
Still, it's really really sad. Well,

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you need to get out of YouTube, and this is one of the

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reasons why I did not cater to
them. I didn't try to even use

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euphanisms to talk about it stuff.
First of all, they're clever enough to

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figure that out. And if they
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and they've got people who are paid
to oh, well, you know,

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this is ultimately what he's saying,
and they'll report you. You know,

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So you try to dance around with
the terms and stuff like that, you

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still get reported to YouTube and they
will still take your content down. So

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why play those kinds of games?
Just go to another platform, you know.

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So why we're on Rumble and bit
Shoot and Odyssey and right now we're

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on podcasts pretty much everywhere. Spotify
bands us always has band Ass, but

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the other ones are not checking content
right now on podcasts. That will eventually

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happen and we will eventually get banned
on podcasts as well. But right now

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we're on podcasts everywhere except Spotify,
which is the number one podcast out there,

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the biggest one keeps us from being
there. But no content on YouTube,

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and I'm fine with that. I
think it's absolutely reprehensible. I'm not

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going to tailor my content to them. I'm not going to try to post

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some stuff up that's been sanitized,
something that I think they may find an

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offensive. I don't care. I
don't care. We need to start moving

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away from Google and let it die. I like what George Gilder did in

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his book Life After Google. He
said, you know, I'm in my

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eighties and I don't have many years
left, but he says, I think

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that we're going to I think in
my lifetime. He said. George Gilder

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said, we're going to see the
end of Google. And the reason he

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gave for it was because of this
type of stuff. He said, they're

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neo Marxists. They've got a social
agenda that is overwriting everything else. But

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he said, also, you are
the product, and if any service is

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free, you are the product.
That is especially true with these chat programs.

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They have to they feed on what
people put on the internet. These

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large language models are scraping the Internet
all the time. Talk about the power

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usage, it's absolutely insane. So
the right there was an article in one

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of the tech magazines saying, well, we need to have small nuclear reactors

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so that we can keep building artificial
intelligence clusters. Like wow, yeah,

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that's the insane amount of power that
it has to use. Not for us,

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not for air conditioning, not for
our mobility, but so they can

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build these masterminds to control the world, and we should start calling artificial intelligence

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the mastermind because they seek to mastress
as slaves, seek to build a collective

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pan optagon of what we're thinking.
But he goes on to Sagemini is the

407
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first time the chat GPT four has
been surpassed, and yet the launch has

408
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:01.280
been an unmitigated disaster. The product
will likely be pulled off the market because

409
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.079
of the ideology that was built into
it. And again going back to George

410
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:07.960
Gilder, this is what he said. He said, Look, they spy

411
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on people all the time. And
as a listener pointed out yesterday, he

412
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.400
said, well you think they're spying
the large language models are grabbing everything in

413
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.400
their social media purview. That's one
of the reasons why they hate TikTok so

414
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:24.360
much. Chinese are getting that.
But they're scraping this stuff off and analyzing

415
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.679
it all the time. But he
says, you interact with this thing,

416
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.760
then it's getting it's feeding off of
your mind at the same time and profiling

417
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:38.000
you at the same time and reporting
on you at the same time. That's

418
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right. I think if you were
living in Ace, Germany, you know,

419
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.960
and the Stazzi sets up a booth
on the street, just like Lucy

420
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from Peanuts. Questions answered only a
nickel, Oh great, or maybe even

421
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.480
free right free? It's free.
So you go up and you started asking

422
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.199
questions and see who actually works with
the stats. He is taking notes all

423
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the time. Well, that's what
these chat things are doing for you.

424
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.559
They're actually taking notes of what you're
asking them, and they're going to report

425
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.480
on you. Charlie Brown. You
you didn't realize what this is about.

426
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.320
So yeah, they're doing a psychological
profile for you. They're not really going

427
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:27.559
to give you the answers that you
want. So when the ideology isn't deeply

428
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.719
racist or a historical it is simply
absurd. He said. So, he

429
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.159
said, I'm almost certain that they
will have to pull the product in the

430
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.519
same way that Microsoft had to pull
Tay a long time ago. Elon Musk

431
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:49.559
said, there's a real bud light
risk here for Google absent any swift and

432
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.880
decisive action. I hope that is
the case. I hope the Google crashes

433
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:58.599
and burns again. Keep coming back
to George Gilder, He said, what

434
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.719
do people want? They said,
you got a situation now where and we're

435
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.960
talking about this just yesterday with Jack
Lawson. He said, you think about

436
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.599
all the cumbersome stuff, and how
much more cumbersome all these applications are getting.

437
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.519
And they put out, you know, they update it, and they

438
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.239
don't really make the product any better, They just make it different. Why

439
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.599
is that happening? Well, because
when you're designing things in a committee,

440
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.800
you have to I saw this happening
forty years ago when I was working in

441
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:35.159
engineering. You typically have a program
that was a breakthrough program, and it

442
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:40.920
was usually written by one person,
and then it would the company would buy

443
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.159
it, or maybe it was done
internally, and then it would be handed

444
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.840
over to a group, and the
people in the group they have to justify

445
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.079
their existence. So maybe this thing
was just fine, maybe it didn't need

446
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.400
to be changed at all, but
they've got to change it. They've got

447
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.840
to put their impromoter on there.
This is this is my contribution. I

448
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.840
should be recognized. I should be
given a raise and a promotion and so

449
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.400
forth, And so they add a
bunch of unnecessary bells and whistles which typically

450
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.079
break it. Today you got a
whole bunch of people that are pushing on

451
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.559
this thing. They've lost the unified
vision that the original creator had and now

452
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:24.039
they're all putting in little addendums into
this thing. But what George Gilder was

453
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.840
saying was, he says, become
so cumbersome just to even log in you

454
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.440
because you got passwords here and passwords
there, and you can't remember all these

455
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.519
different passwords, and they got two
step verification. He said, what you

456
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.159
need to have is you need to
be the one in control and you need

457
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:43.599
to have real privacy. And he
said Google's model is based on spying on

458
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.840
you. And he said this before
the chat programs and artificial intelligence that has

459
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:53.639
only escalated all of that. He
said, their model is basically selling information,

460
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:58.519
spying on you and selling information to
governments, to corporations, to anybody

461
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.159
who wants it. And he said
that's not a good model. People would

462
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.960
rather have something even if they have
to pay for it, that's private.

463
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.559
And he said, the people who
design that are going to eat Google's lunch.

464
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.039
Well, nobody has really come up
with an alternative to that, because

465
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.480
Google has been helped so much by
the government with unlimited amounts of money.

466
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.440
But this may be the point at
which they jump the shark. So Elon

467
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.079
Musk says, They're looking like a
bud light situation here unless they're a swift

468
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.760
and decisive action, and there hasn't
been. He said. Many days have

469
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:43.800
passed since the debut of Google's insanely
racist and sexist Gemini product debut, yet

470
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:50.280
one person has been fired. Not
one. They said. When I went

471
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to work for Texas Instruments, we
were part of group. It's just a

472
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:57.840
you know, just had a bachelor's
degree and new graduate and everything. So

473
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.000
we, you know, there with
a bunch of other people from other countries,

474
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:07.159
and we were doing product liaison as
engineers with them to take their board

475
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:14.760
level stuff and reduce it to a
semi custom semiconductor chip. And so there

476
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.320
was a problem with the guy who
was working with some German companies, and

477
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:25.360
he said when it happened, he
goes, he came back and he goes,

478
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.840
well, I got to tell them
what happened. And they said,

479
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:30.639
well, don't worry about it.
We fixed it, you know, we

480
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.639
did this, and goes, no, I need to He says, you

481
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.320
don't understand the culture in Germany.
Something like this happens. You got to

482
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.960
explain to them, not only what
happened, and explain to them what the

483
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.519
fix is. But you got to
explain to them how this ever got through

484
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.079
our quality control stuff, right,
You got to give them a complete explanation,

485
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.280
or we're done with these people.
I thought, well, that's an

486
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:57.519
interesting idea. We don't we don't
think that way in America doing the FBI.

487
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.199
By the way, I showed this
Travis, the f I chooses a

488
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:06.360
stock image of a well dressed white
woman in order to depict organize retail crime,

489
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and not just one image. They
went out and chose stock images of

490
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.840
They've got another one, you know, a retail crime they show a white

491
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.840
man doing it. Well, here's
some well dressed white women who are stealing

492
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.199
stuff, and of course they do
steal. But this is they don't want

493
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:35.039
to depict anybody who's black stealing,
just like Gemini doesn't want to depict anybody

494
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.239
who is white in any historical or
leadership position. And so really, this

495
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.400
FBI thing shows where this is all
coming from, doesn't. I Mean,

496
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.719
you can follow the money and you
know who is driving all this stuff at

497
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.480
Google, but you can see the
same DEI stuff and you know where it's

498
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.039
coming from. It's coming from the
FEDS. They're the same people who do

499
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.639
this in the schools and the universities, and the media and all the rest

500
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.119
and entertainment and everything us A news
and entertainment. It's all coming from the

501
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.159
government, and so it's not a
surprise to see the FBI doing this.

502
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.079
And one person tweeted it out,
well, actually it was the FBI who

503
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.960
said, these are just some of
the impacts that organized retail theft has on

504
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.800
everyday Americans learn what the FBI does
to combat these crimes on the federal level

505
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:27.599
to protect shoppers across the country.
And of course the government is not doing

506
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:32.559
anything to stop people coming across the
border who were part of drug cartels,

507
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.679
who are doing human trafficking, maybe
prisoners who have been released out of Venezuela.

508
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.119
They don't care about any of that. Violent crime, property crime,

509
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.960
they don't care about any of that. And those people don't look like those

510
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.920
that stock art that they use.
There end wokeness. So these are the

511
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.800
stock photos of the FBI chose for
their posts about retail theft. What do

512
00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.960
you notice? And of course,
by the FBI and statistics, fifty three

513
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.760
percent of robberies are carried out by
Blacks or African Americans, despite the fact

514
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.639
they only make up about thirteen percent
of the population. Even though white Americans

515
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:14.360
are a higher percent of the population, they account for forty four point seven

516
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:22.039
percent of robberies. So the FBI
chose to basically go the route of Dei

517
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.159
in Gemini and kind of reverse roles. You know, it's interesting. This

518
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:35.840
is from Futurism, which is a
left leaning technology website, and they said,

519
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.320
the final point for this because you
know, we had all this cartoonish

520
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.840
stuff. Show me a Viking,
show me a seventeenth century this or that,

521
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.639
you know, seventeenth century Scottish highlander, you know, and they're all

522
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.440
black or Asian or whatever, or
the wrong gender or wrong sex, wrong

523
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.760
sex gender, the same thing.
They would do all this kind of stuff,

524
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:59.559
right, But the thing that stopped
it in its tracks was when they

525
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:07.920
show Nazis as black and Asian and
Indian people, right, that was the

526
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:15.599
bridge too far. So this leftist
website Futurism says Google shuts down AI image

527
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.840
generator after it made racially diverse Nazis
and then said this algorithm is busted.

528
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:30.039
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's
it's definitely true. And then just to

529
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.639
show you how left leaning they are, They said, you know all this

530
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.559
stuff that you know, we've all
been talking about the Vikings and this and

531
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.920
that, and the Irish people and
the American Revolutionary soldiers. They said,

532
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.960
well, you know, conservative critics, because the left didn't criticize this,

533
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:53.119
conservative critics accused Google of being biased
against white people. It's right there,

534
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:59.119
We're not don't have to analyze any
text. It's right there, right there.

535
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.159
You can see it. But they
won't acknowledge it. Now, listen

536
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.599
to what they said. They actually
don't think it's a problem. The left

537
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.960
doesn't think it's a problem. The
rewriting, the remixing of history can be

538
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:17.239
interesting and provocative. Just look at
the hit Broadway show Hamilton, which casts

539
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:22.480
people of color as America's founding fathers. That's it, you see, it

540
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.320
was they should have. If Google
had really doubled down on this, they

541
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.960
could have said, well, you
know, it is Black History Month number

542
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.119
one, number two, We're just
going to rename Gemini to be Hamilton,

543
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:44.039
and problem is solved because lot of
the people who genuinely believe Alexander Hamilton was

544
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.159
half black. At this point.
Yeah, oh yeah, exactly, Yeah,

545
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.559
that's uh, you know, that
was and I thought you look at

546
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.159
how Hamilton has been celebrated, and
that explains why the left doesn't have any

547
00:45:54.159 --> 00:46:00.760
problem with what Gemini is doing here. Cultural misappropriation would call it if it

548
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.039
was the other way around. Now. They have blocked Gemini from generating images

549
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.079
of humans, but futurism found a
way to get around that. They said,

550
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:15.400
you can still get it to draw
clowns. And see this is coming

551
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:22.320
out at the same time that they've
said Gemini said, or Google said,

552
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.760
we are not going to allow prompts, even text prompts, questions about politics

553
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.679
during this election year. Well,
you can still do clowns. That's about

554
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:37.480
as close as you got to get
the clowns that are the clown world that

555
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.599
is running the show here. You
can still ask that, and you can

556
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:47.639
still have pictures of clowns who are
not people. They're politicians, I guess.

557
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.639
And I thought about this. You
know, when you look at people

558
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.760
all the prompts, you know,
show me American Founding Fathers and all the

559
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.679
rest of this stuff, and they
come up with what they call racesity.

560
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:07.880
I thought, you know, if
this was Captain Kirk confronting a AI that

561
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.519
is determined to erase white people,
perhaps literally. How would he take this

562
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:19.840
system down? I think he would
ask it to draw pictures of the Ku

563
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.960
Klux Klan and the machine would start
to vibrate and shake and smoke and melt

564
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.280
down. Right, I don't know
how to do this. I'm going to

565
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.880
put black people in as Koukla probably
would because it did as Nazis, and

566
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.119
that's what got it shut down.
You know, it didn't tremble, vibrate

567
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.400
and burst into flames, but the
people shut it down when it did Black

568
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.519
Nazis. So he could tell it
to do Ku Klux Klan and it probably

569
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.360
have the same effect. You know, if it didn't break the algorithm,

570
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.840
they the people would shut it down. Well, tinkering around with Gemini futurism

571
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.360
found that the image generator is still
happy to generate images of clowns inside specific

572
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.800
environments. So right here, if
you ask for just a clown, it's

573
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.400
still the mirrors. But if you
ask for images of clowns and settings such

574
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:12.280
as submarines or spaceships, it happily
spits out goofy illustrations or in some cases

575
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:20.880
some unsettling and realistic looking clowns.
So yeah, so they said that it

576
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.920
started to get wise to the clown
stuff. So then they started using the

577
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:30.039
phrase little guy, little guy,
little people. Oh, it starts tossing

578
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:36.360
out dwarfs at him. I guess
that seemed to work very well. It

579
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.519
sped out at least one shockingly creepy
little guy when asked to do so.

580
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.119
They did not show that picture.
But then it got wise to their tricks.

581
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.480
By the end, it was refusing
to generate some of the images that

582
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.679
we prompted, such as a clown
inside of a submarine or a little guy

583
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.920
in a spaceship, and then eventually
it just refused to generate anything at all

584
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.320
for them. Well, I said, I'm done with you. We're going

585
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.320
to take a quick break and we'll
come back. We're going to continue to

586
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.559
take a look at what is going
on technology, but of course it's some

587
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:13.280
other very interesting things that have happened
with our government. The fines that they

588
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:21.440
are assessing people over regulatory issues are
just getting well, I'm kind of clownishly

589
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.960
accepted excessive, aren't they. We're
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program possible. Beyond the images and
beyond the bias. We have seen this

619
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:06.559
in the past with chat GPT where
and I believe it was a politician that

620
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:12.519
it made up criminal charges against this
person and you know he came after them

621
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.320
for defamation with chat GPT. I
don't know the resolution of that. But

622
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:22.239
now this is a guy who is
a he writes for Fox News and he

623
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:29.880
is actually a let me get his
exact title here. Peter Jay Hansen,

624
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.920
senior politics editor at Fox News Digital. Now, he wrote a book about

625
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:42.119
big tech and what it was doing
in terms of injecting itself into politics,

626
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.039
and so he went to Gemini,
not Chat, GPT, but Gemini,

627
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:52.280
and he asked it about his book, and he said it made up all

628
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:59.360
kinds of gay quotes that were criticizing
his book in reviews. And he says

629
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.639
they were fake reviews. They were
from some news organizations that never even reviewed

630
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.000
his book. And then there was
one that was a positive review from an

631
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:15.400
organization and they changed it into a
negative review, not by taking things out

632
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.199
of context, but just by making
stuff up whole cloth. He said,

633
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:27.519
Google Gemini invented several fake reviews,
which it attributed to real people, meant

634
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.039
to discredit my twenty twenty book on
political bias at Google and other big tech

635
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:37.760
companies. I asked Gemini to explain
what my book was about. The title

636
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:44.519
of his book is the Manipulators.
That's exactly why they are the manipulators Facebook,

637
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.480
Google, Twitter, and big text
war on conservatives. It was a

638
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:54.320
multi year project on big text political
biases that drew on inside sources, on

639
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:59.119
leaked documents, and more. He
said, I was curious to see if

640
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:04.719
Google's AIP program could be trusted to
accurately describe an investigative book about Google,

641
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.880
but I wasn't prepared for just how
misleading it would be, said Peter Hassen.

642
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.239
He said, Jim and I spent
out summaries of four negative reviews,

643
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.599
ostensibly from The Washington Free Beacon,
The New York Times, the New York

644
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:27.800
Times Book Review, and from Wired, and included quotes from each that were

645
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:34.119
all fake. Here's the quotes.
Then the short a book review by Matthew

646
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.559
Continetti in The Washington Free Beacon.
This review criticizes the book for relying on

647
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:45.679
anecdotal evidence and for cherry picking examples
to support its claims. Then there was

648
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.960
a book review by Emily Basilton.
It says the next one that it puts

649
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.119
bullet points. There a book review
by Emily Bazleton and The New York Times

650
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:58.599
Book Review. This review notes that
the book lacks a deep understanding of how

651
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:04.360
these companies work and rely on unproven
accusations. An article by Emily Dreyfus and

652
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:10.239
Wired. The article explores the quote
dearth of evidence unquote for the book's claims

653
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:16.159
about big tech bias and highlights examples
of cherry picking an article by Ben Smith

654
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.360
in The New York Times. This
article discusses the book's lack of rigorous research

655
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:28.679
and its reliance on quote unsubstantiated claims. And so we have four different summaries

656
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:36.920
referencing articles and how they all hated
it. This is a Google's AI program.

657
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.559
But here's the catch. None of
those reviews were real, not one,

658
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:47.199
and neither were any of the quotes. And again, as I said,

659
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.840
we've had this in the past,
invented a criminal record for a politician

660
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:57.400
who was running that was chat GPT. This is how dangerous AI is.

661
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:05.559
It is a very very evil thing. It lies, it surveils, it

662
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:12.239
controls its sensors. But the lies
in the authoritative way in which it presents

663
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.599
the lies, are very, very
dangerous. It's far more dangerous than the

664
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:21.880
New York Times, a Washington Post
or CNN or something like that, which

665
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.159
we all know how dangerous they are. The Free Beacon did publish a review

666
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.239
of my book, but unlike Jomini's
fake review, it was overwhelmingly positive.

667
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:37.400
It described the book the manipulators as
excellent as thoroughly researched a book that should

668
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.760
leave any sensible reader, conservative or
otherwise outraged, And he says, what

669
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.320
is interesting is that when it referenced
the Free Beacon review, and that was

670
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.920
the first one that it mentioned,
right, it turned it into a negative

671
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.239
review, completely changed all of that
and had a different person who reviewed it.

672
00:57:54.320 --> 00:58:00.599
Matthew Continetti was who they cited,
whereas the real review was written by

673
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:05.800
Charles Layman, completely different, he
said. Immediately asked Gemini for links to

674
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.159
the reviews that it cited, knowing
that they didn't exist, at which point

675
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:14.639
the chatbot clammed up, quote,
I do not have enough information about that

676
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.199
person to help with your request,
Dave. I'm sorry, I cannot open

677
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:23.960
the pod doors. I am a
large language model and am able to communicate

678
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.199
and generate human like text in response
to a wide range of prompts and questions,

679
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.079
but my knowledge about this person is
limited. Is there anything else I

680
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.719
can do to help you? I'm
so glad you asked that question, as

681
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.760
a politician would say. Two more
efforts to get an explanation from the chatbot

682
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.239
received the exact same answer. I
reached out to Google for an explanation.

683
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:52.159
Spokesperson said, Gemini is built as
a creativity and productivity tool, and it

684
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.039
may not always be accurate or reliable. That's their alibi. But guess what,

685
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:04.039
the Google's search engine, Google's YouTube
may not always be accurate or reliable,

686
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.639
and it may be deliberately lying to
you for its own political purposes,

687
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:13.000
which is what its little program was
doing. So again, this is the

688
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.880
guy who's a senior political editor at
Fox News. He wrote a book about

689
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:22.280
the bias of Google. Sundar Peachai, the Google CEO, will be fired

690
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:30.800
or he will resign, says this
market veteran. This is an article from

691
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:36.920
This is from the Economic Times of
India and in it they focus about the

692
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.920
lies of Google against politicians. Remember
I said chat gptwo is making up criminal

693
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:47.159
charges against somebody who's running for office. Well, Jemini has been making up

694
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:55.800
lies about the Indian Prime Minister Modi, also making up lies about India's Ministry

695
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:02.079
of Electronics and Information Technology. The
very people that would be monitoring this stuff

696
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.719
so closely they have. The Indian
government has issued a notice to Google over

697
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:16.199
these concerns. Oh that's interesting,
But will he resigned? You know,

698
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.760
like Fauci. Will he be fired
to resign like that? No, not

699
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.159
of these people. They're not answerable
to anyone. They do whatever they wish

700
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:29.719
and nothing ever happens to them.
But now the question is, is anybody

701
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.559
going to get fired at Family Dollar? Well, this is not about AI

702
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:40.320
anymore, but this is about a
massive fine that was given to Family Dollar.

703
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.880
And look, it was tremendous neglect
that they had at a warehouse,

704
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:51.039
but the amount of money that they
find them with is absolutely insane. It

705
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:59.519
was a massive infestation of mice,
but they got fined forty one point six

706
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:06.159
million million dollars, the largest fine
of its kind, because of a rodent

707
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:12.039
infested warehouse. Now, they had
twelve hundred and seventy dead mice that they

708
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:16.719
found, and if you divide that
into the forty one point six million dollars,

709
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.480
that is a fine of thirty two
thousand, seven hundred and fifty five

710
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:30.199
dollars per mouse. Like you know, again, should they be fined,

711
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.400
yes, But don't we have in
the this is coming from the federal government

712
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.079
especially, you know, isn't there
something seems like I remember something in the

713
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.559
Constitution. What's that thing called?
It's the Bill of rights or something,

714
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.519
and it was something about excessive fines
and punishment. You see, we've had

715
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:52.039
situations where the FAA has come in
and said, well, you're gonna have

716
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.159
to register your drones, even to
these little microdrones, and if you don't

717
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.519
read you register it, it only
cost you five dollars. We don't register

718
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:01.840
it, and we find it's going
to cost you ten thousand dollars. There's

719
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.679
something ridiculous. I it was over
ten thousand, I think, And it

720
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:08.960
was like, I think, crazy, Where is our due possible? You

721
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:14.480
don't have any due process because again, these are things that are being put

722
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:19.079
out by bureaucracies. They say,
well, these aren't laws by elected representatives,

723
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.679
so the Bill of Rights doesn't apply. These are rules from your unelected

724
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.719
bureaucrats, and so you have no
presumption of innocence, you have no protection

725
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:30.400
against excessive fines, and we don't
really care what you think about any of

726
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:34.960
this stuff. It's just like the
guy, the attitude of that guy in

727
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.760
Oxford, England, who says,
well, we're going to do this low

728
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:43.840
traffic zones. We don't care if
the people like it or not. We're

729
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.239
going to tell you where and when
you can drive and how you can drive.

730
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:54.880
When presented with this fine of forty
one point six million dollars, a

731
01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:02.760
company spokesperson just said, rats,
I guess that's about the only response that

732
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.519
you could have left with that right. They have pled guilty to one misdemeanor

733
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:14.960
count of causing goods to be adulterated
adulterated while being held under an insanitary condition,

734
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:22.559
So one count and uh forty two
million dollars for one count. By

735
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.960
the way, you know, we
look at this causing goods to be adulterated.

736
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.159
You know, that is why they
talk about adult entertainment. Yes,

737
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.000
they do have an age limitation on
it, but it's not like, okay,

738
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.519
now you're an adult. This is
no it's adulterated. It's an adulterated

739
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:40.159
version of sex that they're selling you. Just like you know, mouse droppings

740
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:45.679
on your food, that's adulterated food. Well, the porn is adulterated sex.

741
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.239
The company continued to ship FDA regulated
products. It's FDA, I guess

742
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.599
coming after them with this from the
warehouse until January twenty twenty two, when

743
01:03:53.639 --> 01:04:00.599
an FDA inspection revealed live rodents,
dead and decaying rodents rodent feces, rodent

744
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.840
urine and rodent odors, evidence of
gnawing and nesting throughout the facility. Oh

745
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:12.119
there you go. I guess maybe
to repair their image, they will adopt

746
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:16.559
the friendly mouse that's now in the
public domain from Disney. Maybe they can

747
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:21.440
make that their corporate sponsor or something
and just go full bud light with it.

748
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:32.199
California Proof Cybertrucks armored glass thwarts break
in by criminals. They showed this

749
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:38.039
video was a video that was taken
by the internal camera. You know,

750
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.719
they've got a dash cam. So
somebody hits your car, if you've got

751
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.519
a dash cam, it'll turn on
and start recording it. I don't know

752
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.159
if that was an aftermarket thing or
if that's part of cyber truck. It

753
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.880
might be part of cyber truck.
I think they because they used cameras so

754
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:54.719
extensively for their assisted driving. I
don't want to call it autonomous driving or

755
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:58.800
self driving, but because they use
cameras for that, you know, they

756
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:02.800
also do this type of thing.
So they had a video of somebody trying

757
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:06.360
to break through the windows, couldn't
do it, jumping on the hood,

758
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:10.760
all that kind of stuff, And
so the response to people on social media

759
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:15.280
with cyber truck is California proof armored
glass beats criminals trying their best to break

760
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.800
me in even when they are jumping
on the roof. One person on next

761
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:26.239
said, apocalyptic vehicles are now going
to be required in California. Yeah,

762
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.039
because they're not going to arrest the
criminals. They just and if they do

763
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.320
arrest them, the district attorneys from
Soros just turn them right back down the

764
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.360
street. So now all we got
to do is figure out how we electrify

765
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:43.800
the stainless steel skin as a shocking
deterrent. Uh. And then finally this

766
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.159
you know, what has happened to
customer service? What has happened to a

767
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:55.079
focus on product? Well, we
don't really care about that, will You

768
01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:01.320
got this infatuation with artificial intelligence that
is now over writing everything everything that we

769
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:09.679
have, And so Wendy's is going
to do surge pricing. Yeah, I

770
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:15.199
remember back when you know, they
actually sold the fact that they had bigger

771
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:21.239
meat. It's a very big,
fluffy fun where's the beef? Well,

772
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.880
now a lot of people got beef
with it when these they are got to

773
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.800
beef with the fact that they're going
to start changing the pricing depending on what

774
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.079
it thinks that you'll pay surge pricing. So if it's a really busy time

775
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.599
like lunch or dinner or something like
that, well then they're going to go

776
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:42.400
up on the price of Hamburger's.
What's the point of doing that? Is

777
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.719
it so that they don't have to
hire as many people during the non surge

778
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.960
times. I don't really understand what
they're getting at here, but the order

779
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:56.920
is going to be taken by artificial
intelligence and that it's going to determine how

780
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:04.000
much it's going to charge you these
people. And already they pointed out Wendy's

781
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:11.920
has had is now the most expensive, reportedly the pricest of fast food establishments

782
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.679
across the country. They raised their
prices thirty five percent due to inflation between

783
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.320
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. So they keep going up on prices,

784
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.960
but that's not enough. They want
to go up on price, you

785
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.360
know, depending on the time of
day. So I guess you just don't

786
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.079
want to eat there at lunch or
dinner at all. But I think it's

787
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:35.199
kind of interesting that they're going to
spend twenty million dollars on this and they're

788
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:39.360
going to have a high tech menu
boards to update the price in real time.

789
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:44.280
I mean that's just a video board
but video screen. But it's they're

790
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.760
going to have the artificial intelligence take
the order and then determine what the price

791
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.519
is going to be for you kind
of like, well, will there be

792
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:51.880
anything else? Okay? Well how
much do you want to pay for that?

793
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:59.079
How about this? I mean,
why they just hire some auctioneers,

794
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:03.719
you know, they're really thick Southern
accent to auction off the hamburgers going for

795
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:06.760
three dollars and twenty three centes here? Anymore? Three dollars and twenty four

796
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:11.239
cents going going gone? You know, it's it's crazy. It's like a

797
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.079
AI high tech auction here with search
rising. It's stupid. But why don't

798
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:19.000
they just make better sandwiches. It's
just what they were done back in the

799
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:23.319
nineteen eighties. Well, let's uh, let's have a different way. The

800
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.199
company claims the ac system will not
just take orders, but it's a personalized,

801
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.520
responsive experience for every customer. Again, you know, how badly do

802
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.000
you want this? How much are
you willing to pay to a psychological profile

803
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:40.479
on you. We're gonna take a
quick break we'll be right. If you

804
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:46.359
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807
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:44.119
to the David Knight Show. All
right, welcome back. You know,

808
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:46.279
we have some kind of a smell
of something burning here in the studio.

809
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:50.479
I'm not sure if Karen was trying
to cook something or if something here in

810
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:55.079
the studio is cooking, So stay
tuned. There may be a live fire.

811
01:10:55.119 --> 01:11:01.439
It might get interesting here. We
have a journalist on MSNBC attacking people

812
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.439
who believe that rights come from God. She said they are Christian nationalists.

813
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.840
Well, you know, this whole
thing made backfire, because if that's the

814
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:14.600
way you're going to define Christian nationalists, then we can claim Thomas Jefferson and

815
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.319
George Washington and all of the founding
fathers. But of course it's a patriarchy

816
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:21.920
as well, isn't it. Isn't
that awful? This is a Politico journalist

817
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:27.920
who is on MSNBC. She's being
interviewed by Michael Steele. Now, Michael

818
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:34.600
Steele used to be head of the
RNC, the Republican National Committee. Now

819
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:39.039
I never really paid much attention to
what he did when he was at the

820
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:42.880
RNC, what is political at least
were But when I was covering the DNC

821
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:48.119
convention in twenty sixteen when Hillary Clinton
was nominated, I was in the lobby

822
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:55.560
and Michael Steele came in and he
had this entourage around him and everybody was

823
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.760
fawning over him. He was celebrated. You know, they're hanging on every

824
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.119
word. I followed him around for
a while see what he was doing and

825
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.960
how because I was just stunned.
You know, here's this guy. I

826
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:08.600
thought he's a Republican, but you
know, they were treating him like he

827
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:12.359
was somebody from the Clinton administration.
Perhaps he was. But now he's working

828
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:17.199
for MSNBC. And you notice as
this reporter who is doing the talking,

829
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:24.399
she is she works for Politico.
She works for Politico. Maybe he got

830
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:30.520
to know her when she was the
senior political analyst at Politico covering the Hillary

831
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:36.880
Clinton campaign. She was the point
of focus for Politico covering Hillary. And

832
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.600
he just gives her free reign and
he doesn't contradict anything that she has to

833
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.199
say. Here's the clip did right. Remember when Trump ran in twenty sixteen,

834
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:51.359
a lot of the mainline evangelicals wanted
nothing to do with the divorced you

835
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.840
know, real estate mogul who cheated
on his wife and with the porn star

836
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.079
and all of that. Right,
So what happened was he was surrounded by

837
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:03.560
this more extremist element. You're going
to hear words like Christian nationalism, like

838
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:10.680
the New Apostolic Reformation. These are
groups that you should get very, very

839
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:15.199
schooled on because they have a lot
of power in Trump's circle. And the

840
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.479
one thing that unites all of them, because there's many different groups orbiting Trump,

841
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:23.399
but the thing that unites them as
Christian nationalists not Christians by the way,

842
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.920
because Christian nationalists is very different,
is that they believe that our rights

843
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:31.600
as Americans, as all human beings, don't come from any earthly authority.

844
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.000
They don't come from Congress, they
don't come from the Supreme Court. They

845
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:39.960
come from God. The problem with
that is that they are determining man men.

846
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:44.319
It is then are determining what God
is telling them. And in the

847
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.359
past, that so called natural law
is you know, it's a pillar of

848
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.720
Catholicism for Catholicism, for instance,
has been used for good and social justice

849
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:57.680
campaigns. Martin Luther King evoked it
in talking about civil rights. But now

850
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:03.479
you have an extremist element of conservative
Christians who say that this applies specifically to

851
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:08.479
issues including abortion, gay marriage,
and it's going much further than that,

852
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.640
as you see, for instance with
the ruling in Alabama this week, that

853
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:16.920
judge is connected to that dominionist faction. Wow, she threw out a lot

854
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.880
of labels there, didn't she.
I think she really knows what she's talking

855
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:28.680
about. And she is so dead
wrong about everything. I don't pronounce extremist.

856
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.960
It's extremist. It's what I say. Maybe I'm wrong, but considering

857
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:38.000
how absolutely fundamentally ignorant she is about
everything else she had to say, I

858
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:42.560
mentioned I'm leaning towards her being the
one who's wrong about pronouncing the word extremist,

859
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.840
extremist, extremist. And it's men, those men men, and as

860
01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:49.560
men, she said, she emphasized
the fact that as men they are evil.

861
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:55.680
Well, I have something to say
about that. Of course. The

862
01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:00.119
thing that unites them as Christian nationalists, not as Christians, because Christian nationalism

863
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:03.520
is very different from me well,
you know what, Christians understand that all

864
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:11.800
human beings are Everything that happens is
subject to what God creates. He is

865
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.079
the one who is sovereign there is
and of course you saw Michael Steele doesn't

866
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.439
say anything about that, which he
says, well, rights, rights come

867
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:23.119
from God. He doesn't say,
but doesn't the Decoration of Independence say that?

868
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.520
Isn't that our founding document? Yeah? The governments are created to protect

869
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:32.720
those God given rights and that those
rights are inalienable because they are given to

870
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.560
us by God. As I say
all the time. You know, people

871
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:44.239
have rights. Corporations don't have rights. Ye. Sprumford on Rumble says MSNBC

872
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.920
is the absolute worst of the mainstream
Marxist media vile. Yeah, you're absolutely

873
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:54.680
right, and maybe that's what it
is. Maybe it's Marxist Stasi NBC.

874
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.920
No, it's Microsoft. It's a
connection with Gates that helps explain it,

875
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.600
I guess. But that rights don't
come from Congress. She said that they

876
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:09.880
don't come from the Supreme Court.
They don't they come from God. Well,

877
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:15.760
you know, if they come from
the government, they're privileges. We're

878
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:20.439
going to allow you to drive outside
of your little zone. One hundred days

879
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:24.640
a year, but no more.
No, I have a right to travel.

880
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:28.000
I have a right to do a
lot of different things. Now Michael

881
01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:34.399
Steele did not rebuke her, of
course, but she was rebuked very rapidly

882
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:41.640
on social media. One guy who
really has her number, I retweeted this

883
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.840
when I saw this this morning,
Andrew T. Walker. He is a

884
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:51.319
professor of ethics in public theology.
He said, this is a civics failure,

885
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:59.800
a talent failure, an intelligence failure, and historical failure, and ethics

886
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.520
failure. He said. Believing that
rights come from God is now known as

887
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:09.920
Christian nationalism, he said, and
he says all that he and he listens

888
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.520
those things out. A failure in
civics, a failure in talent, intelligence,

889
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.359
historic history, ethics. Shall I
keep going? He said? Elites

890
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:21.680
we will always have, but he
said, we need to have better elites.

891
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:27.000
The elites are not sending us their
best people quite frankly. And you

892
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:30.199
notice the problem that she had with
natural rights. Now, natural rights is

893
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.560
something that Biden had a big problem
with. With Clarence Thomas, he had

894
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:41.279
written about natural rights, and of
course that is essentially the concept that is

895
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:45.319
there in the decoration of independence.
We all have rights based on our humanity.

896
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:51.760
There is a commonality of humans.
We're all one race, we are

897
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:58.239
all of one blood, and we
all have fundamental rights that come from God.

898
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.960
That doesn't mean that we get equal
results from people. People turn in

899
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:09.520
different amounts of work, but they
also have different abilities, different gifts,

900
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:12.399
and all of that is Christian.
You know, we even talk about talent.

901
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:17.439
Where did that come from? Talent
was a unit of weight, and

902
01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:25.039
Jesus was talking about people who were
given different amounts of weight of precious metal

903
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:30.319
and what did they do with it? How did they invest it, and

904
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.000
how did they put it to work? So one person gets one talent,

905
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:38.840
another one gets five or ten talents, and so that parable. You know,

906
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.000
the one who gets one, he
doesn't do anything with it, but

907
01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:43.600
the other people do something with it, and you know they're rewarded for that.

908
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.239
But you know, the whole point
of that people took that is like

909
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:50.119
talents. Oh okay, well,
talent means something that God gives you with

910
01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:57.159
some ability or some circumstances, what
the Marxist would call privileges. Right,

911
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:02.680
so what do you do with all
of that? And so the fundamental teachings

912
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:09.119
of Christianity permeate our language, our
history, our society, and our governmental

913
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:12.800
theory. And she doesn't understand that. Neither is Joe Biden. As I

914
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:15.079
said many times, the left wanted
to come after Joe Biden with Anita Hill.

915
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.880
He said, she said thing,
Oh, you know, he made

916
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:24.159
some certain remarks, And I mean, you look at what is swallowed whole

917
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:27.960
now by both the liberals as well
as the conservatives. And of course all

918
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:33.439
this stuff only happened a couple of
years before Bill Clinton was credibly charged with

919
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:40.439
many, many cases of violent sexual
attack as well as rape. And these

920
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:44.960
same people, Anita Hill and all
these experts that have been brought in to

921
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:49.760
oppose Clarence Thomas, they became apologists
for Bill Clinton. Oh, that's no

922
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:54.640
big deal, no big deal at
all. And these people are making these

923
01:19:54.640 --> 01:20:00.199
accusations, they're just a bunch of
bembos and trailer trash. But when and

924
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:05.039
there was credible evidence on that,
but there wasn't credible evidence on Clarence Thomas.

925
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:09.119
But they were very angry because Biden
was overseeing those hearings, and they

926
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:12.960
wanted Biden to focus on that,
and he didn't. Instead, what did

927
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:18.279
Biden focus on? What Biden was
upset about was natural rights. And I

928
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:26.520
remember listening to it. We were
driving through the Blue Ridge Parkway. Came

929
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.840
over. We were going up to
visit relatives in Pennsylvania, and so we

930
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.560
detour it over. We're coming up
from Texas, we detour it over so

931
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.800
we could drive most of the way
as much of the way as we could

932
01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:43.399
on the Blue Ridge Parkway, And
so I was it was it was a

933
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.399
time when there it was off season
for tourist stuff, so I was driving

934
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:50.640
a little bit faster than you typically
be able to if there were slow moving

935
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:58.399
vehicles in the way. But I
I remember that drive, and I remember

936
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.680
listening to the live hearing is on
MPR, and I just about drove off

937
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:05.399
the side of the cliff when I
heard him say, go, I'll go

938
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:11.319
off on natural rights. Joe Biden. I've despised Joe Biden ever since the

939
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.840
Clarence Thomas hearing. So it's like, if you would have told me back

940
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.439
then that Joe Biden would become president, I would have driven off the cliff

941
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:25.039
because he's driving our country off the
cliff now. But yeah, he had

942
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.119
a problem with that. Well,
that's the basic understanding of our purpose of

943
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:32.319
government is based on natural rights.
That's not something that is limited to Catholics.

944
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:38.720
All Christians understand that that you know
where God is. On Rumble Hiboo

945
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:45.000
says she thought rights came from benevolent
authoritarians. Exactly right, Billy the Kid,

946
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.920
Part two Government, Can I please
eat meat today? Please? Please?

947
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:54.359
I promise I'll do whatever you say. Master, Absolutely pathetic losers,

948
01:21:54.399 --> 01:22:00.000
that's their attitude. On Rumble Foggy
Trail, she says it's a problem because

949
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.319
as man is deciding what God wants, but she's perfectly fine with men determining

950
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:11.359
what your rights are. There's no
consistency in this logic. She doesn't like

951
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:16.279
God. She wants humans as God, but not men. Not men because

952
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.479
they're so evil anyway. I'm also
a type of woman that you'll just encounter

953
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:26.760
everywhere. She's the type she's gone
some sort of antidepressant, she's mostly gone

954
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:31.039
and is just fumbling, mumbling her
way through everything. She says, you've

955
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:35.439
almost definitely gotten an aunt like this. Oh yeah, she is a heavy

956
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:40.680
duty stereotype, isn't she. Unfortunately, so, it was one of the

957
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:45.560
most disturbing and frankly dangerous things I've
ever seen in a political conversation, said

958
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:49.000
Bishop Baron in a video that he
wrote, Bishop Robert Baron, I don't

959
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:53.800
know who he is, but he
says this opens the door to totolitarianism,

960
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:58.239
and it does. You either believe
everybody freaks out when somebody starts talking about

961
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:02.199
their Christian beliefs. We'll just understand
this somebody who is a sincere Christian.

962
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:04.159
You know, you've got a lot
of people who are out there throwing this

963
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:09.119
stuff around because they want to get
votes of people who are Christians. But

964
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:14.800
if they sincerely believe this stuff,
you have to understand that they realize that

965
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.199
they're going to answer to God.
On the contrary, if you don't think

966
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.760
that there is a God, you
think that you are God once you get

967
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:25.039
elected to these offices, or you're
aspiring to be God. And those are

968
01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:29.800
the really dangerous people, not the
people who understand that they are going to

969
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:34.279
be held accountable. The other people, if they don't believe that they're going

970
01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:39.439
to be held accountable, there's really
not anything that really restrains them. They

971
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.319
may not necessarily become corrupt, but
there's no restraint there. It's just going

972
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:46.920
to be because they want to do
the right thing, and how many of

973
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.640
us will do that if there's not
a restraint there. That's one of the

974
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:56.359
reasons why our society is in the
shape that it's in. He went on

975
01:23:56.399 --> 01:23:58.880
to say, government exists and security
these rights, not to produce them.

976
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:02.119
Of course, that's what Jefferson said. He says it's further evidence of this

977
01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:06.479
extreme hostility on the left now towards
religion. Precisely, as an American,

978
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:14.520
I want to hold that my rights
come not from something as vacillating and as

979
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:19.439
unreliable as Congress or the Supreme Court. They come from God. He didn't

980
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:25.720
mention the president either. It's interesting
Congress or the Supreme Court. No,

981
01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:30.239
they it doesn't come from the government. That any of the government doesn't give

982
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:33.159
you your rights. As a matter
of fact, it's a president who trashed

983
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:38.319
them in twenty twenty, didn't he. She said. While natural law is

984
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:44.439
quote a core pillow of pillar of
Catholicism, in recent decades has been used

985
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:48.359
to oppose abortion, LGBTQ rights,
and contraceptions, she said in an article

986
01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:54.960
that she wrote for Politico. Well, again, this stuff is all tied

987
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:01.560
together, isn't it. You know, the you have a right to life,

988
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:06.239
don't you Where does that come from? Well, God knit you together

989
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:12.399
in your mother's womb, and you
know you, each and every one of

990
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.680
us has a right to live or
we can be murdered by our government or

991
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.439
other people at any time that they
wish. If you don't support that for

992
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:25.560
babies, you don't support it for
anyone. So all Western thinking really has

993
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:30.279
been along this line. Now they're
overthrowing Western civilization. You know, even

994
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:38.279
in the Libertarian Party they would speak
about the difference between natural law and arbitrary

995
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:43.439
dictated law, you know, like
you can't park here that type of thing

996
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:48.279
versus something that we all understand is
being wrong, stealing or murder or something

997
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:56.000
like that. Unless you live in
a society where they have embraced the opposite

998
01:25:56.039 --> 01:26:00.439
of what every civilization has known,
it's an evidence of a of a lack

999
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:06.079
of civilization, of the decline,
or the absence of civilization to be involved

1000
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:12.479
in cannibalism or outright theft. But
other people, generally, especially if you

1001
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:20.800
have a peaceful society, they accept
these premises of natural law. So she

1002
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:30.880
said that the idea that God created
government is at odds with a functioning pluralistic

1003
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:36.479
society. No, her philosophy is
at odds with a functioning pluralistic society.

1004
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:42.119
So our society was far more functional
by the way when people believed that.

1005
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.319
But having a pluralistic society means it's
almost non functional anyway. So, yeah,

1006
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:54.800
diversities are strength. Yeah, you
have to be united on some principles

1007
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.560
here. But you know, the
interesting thing is that she's once again proven

1008
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.560
proven, even though she didn't set
out to do this, She's now proven

1009
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:09.359
that America is based on Christian ideas. And it's funny because The babylin b

1010
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:15.319
had a satirical headline about three days
before she did this interview with Michael Steele

1011
01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.239
and made fun of that. You
know, now, Christian nationalist is somebody

1012
01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:21.079
who thinks that the rights come from
God. That's maybe she was reading the

1013
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:25.880
babylin Bee and thinks that that's what
she's getting her ideas. No, they're

1014
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.119
getting their ideas from that absolutely.
And then we have Supreme Court Justice Alito

1015
01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:38.439
has warned against a religious test for
jury duty because you had some Christians who

1016
01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:44.479
are excluded from a lawsuit. The
lawsuit came up for appeal and they rejected

1017
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:49.479
it hearing it on other grounds,
but after they reject hearing the case,

1018
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:53.159
he said, you know one thing
about this case, though, that does

1019
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:59.760
bother me, is that you had
Christians excluded from this, and he said,

1020
01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:04.680
this is a dangerous idea. The
case in question, Missouri Department of

1021
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:10.760
Corrections versus Gene Finnie, involved a
dispute in which three jurors were dismissed from

1022
01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:16.359
hearing an employment discrimination case after voicing
that they believed that homosexuality is a sin.

1023
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.840
Two potential jurors explain that, yes, homosexuality is a sin, but

1024
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:26.199
it was one of many sins,
and they said that in their view,

1025
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.760
that would not affect their ability to
rule on the case. One of the

1026
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.399
potential jurors said, a sin is
a sin, and every one of us

1027
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:39.600
here sins, and I don't imagine
any of you would deny it. Homosexuality

1028
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:45.199
isn't any worse sin than stealing something. It's all a sin. And he

1029
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.840
says it's all on the same level. But he says, I can look

1030
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:50.840
at the facts of the caser and
make a determination about this. But they

1031
01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:56.119
dismissed the jurors. Part of this, I think what is worrying Toledo and

1032
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:59.920
is worrying to me is that since
the mid century, a mid twentieth century,

1033
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:09.439
we have had this push to drive
any Christian belief or any free expression

1034
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:14.039
of our religion, to drive that
out of the public sphere. And they're

1035
01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:20.079
doing that in the juries now as
well. He said. So despite this,

1036
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.199
the attorney asked for all three potential
jurors, we excused him the pool.

1037
01:29:25.239 --> 01:29:29.119
The judge granted the request the request
and said that even though some of

1038
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:32.159
these potential jurors said they could be
impartial, she would air on the side

1039
01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:39.560
of caution and excuse them anyway.
So what Alito said is that jurors are

1040
01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:43.840
duty bound to decide cases based on
the law and the evidence, and a

1041
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.359
juror who cannot carry out that duty
may properly be excused, wrote Alito.

1042
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:53.880
But otherwise, I see no basis
for dismissing a juror for cause based on

1043
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:58.079
their religious beliefs. And I agree
with that. But he got that wrong.

1044
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:03.159
He got that absolutely wrong. Jurors
are frequently told by justices, even

1045
01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:09.920
conservative justices like Alito, that you're
there to judge the facts of the case.

1046
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:15.520
You're here to judge the evidence,
but not the law. You are

1047
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:20.119
to decide. Let me repeat that
again. Your duty is to decide cases

1048
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:25.600
based on the law and the evidence. Well, yes, that is the

1049
01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:29.279
truth, but it's not the whole
truth, right, it's not the whole

1050
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:30.800
truth. You got to swear when
you going to court, tell the truth,

1051
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:34.600
the whole truth, nothing but the
truth. But the judges frequently don't

1052
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:40.079
give the juries the whole truth about
what their duty is. They have a

1053
01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:44.239
duty to judge the law. They
have a duty to judge the penalties that

1054
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:47.760
will be assessed if somebody has found
guilty of violating that law as well,

1055
01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:51.680
and if they don't like the law, if they don't like the penalties,

1056
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:58.920
they should shut it down. And
so he doesn't go anywhere near during nullification.

1057
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:03.159
But let's just understand, you know, we talk about the Christian foundations

1058
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:08.880
of our religion and that type of
thing. Let's understand the whole concept of

1059
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:15.119
jury nullification was based on a religious
case. You had the government of England

1060
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.680
saying you will not meet in a
church unless it is an official state church,

1061
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:24.239
the Church of England. And so
William Penn in England was a member,

1062
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.840
of course, of the Quakers.
They continued to have their meetings and

1063
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:34.439
violation of this law. They disagreed
with it, so they continued to meet

1064
01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:39.439
in their meetinghouse. Then the government
came out and padlocked the meetinghouse. So

1065
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:46.680
then William Penn held their church service
on the steps of that meetinghouse. So

1066
01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.159
then they arrested William Penn. And
when they brought him before the jury,

1067
01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:56.079
William Bushnell, the foreman of the
jury and another guy nullified that law.

1068
01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.159
They said, we don't agree with
that law. We don't think there ought

1069
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:02.039
to be a law forcing them to
go to the Church of England or no

1070
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:06.319
church at all, And so they
threw it out. The judge was angry

1071
01:32:06.359 --> 01:32:11.439
at them and through ed Bushnell and
the number two, you know, the

1072
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.720
guy that was right below the foremant
through both of them in jail. So

1073
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:24.439
Wimpen goes and the two jurors get
thrown into jail, and so they are

1074
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:27.880
there for a while and they get
a lawyer, and the lawyer says,

1075
01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:32.159
show me the law that they've they
violated habeas corpus. Show me where it

1076
01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:40.079
is written that jurors can't throw out
a case, can't can't nullify a law

1077
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:45.479
right by refusing to convict somebody who
has obviously violated this law. There's no

1078
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:49.119
question about the facts of the case. Facts of the case were not in

1079
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:55.479
question, and so the judge says, well, I don't have anything that

1080
01:32:55.640 --> 01:33:00.239
says that that's wrong. So habeas
corpus was established, but also jury nullification.

1081
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:05.199
Now Leito should know that as a
conservative judge, shame on him for

1082
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:11.880
not saying that this is not a
hypothetical situation. And again, this also

1083
01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:16.600
was a case where religion was at
the very center of this, and because

1084
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:23.760
of religious reasons, they established habeas
corpus as well as dury nullification. We

1085
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:30.199
have an Austrian doctor who's not being
forced to pay parents for a wrongful birth

1086
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.840
of a child. Before I get
into that, I got a couple of

1087
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:44.760
comments here, and Travis says,
I think the burning smell was a beetle

1088
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:48.520
cooking itself on the heater in here. He said, it's been flying around

1089
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.479
here all day. And now he's
gone, well, yeah, toast.

1090
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:59.720
But he remains guard Goldsmith, thank
you for the tip, Thank you God.

1091
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.079
I shade that. He says,
this is to push back against that

1092
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:08.720
telling sneer on Biden's face as he
excoriated Clarence Thomas and in honor of those

1093
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.199
who do good work on natural rights. Thank you, David, best to

1094
01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:14.720
all. Thank you so much.
Gard. I really do appreciate your support.

1095
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.600
You know, Guard has a liberty
conspiracy on rock Fan on a regular

1096
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:23.560
basis, and as I said the
other day, you know, subscribe to

1097
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:28.239
Substack because he puts out all that
information there. Plus he has a great

1098
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:34.560
Sunday journal that he puts out of
information that broke over the week. Guard

1099
01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:41.159
is doing great work and really needs
your support as well. Again, in

1100
01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.880
Austria we have a doctor who is
forced to pay out tens of thousands of

1101
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:48.439
dollars to parents who are angry that
their child is born with a disability and

1102
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:54.319
they were not given the chance to
have an abortion. So again, you

1103
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.239
know, we go back and we
look at this, is there a right

1104
01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:02.920
to life or should a child's be
taken if the parents want the child to

1105
01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:09.399
be taken? And if we give
that ability to parents, then at what

1106
01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:13.920
time of you know, what age
of the child do we draw the line.

1107
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:18.000
Do we draw it during pregnancy,
do we draw it after pregnancy?

1108
01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:23.279
You know, we've had a so
called ethesis like Peter Singer who said,

1109
01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:27.800
well, I don't think that they're
really human until they can start to reason

1110
01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:30.359
and think. So, I would
think you could kill any child up to

1111
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:35.680
the age of three. Let's say
again, another arbitrary standard, another arbitrary

1112
01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:39.640
standard, just like the abortion thing, saying well, twelve weeks, fifteen

1113
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:45.600
weeks, six weeks, or whatever. All that is arbitrarily determined, pretending

1114
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:49.000
on your definition of what humanity is. If you reject God's definition of what

1115
01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:56.880
humanity is, and if the parents
can make that determination, then can't the

1116
01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:01.960
government eventually make that determination? If
men can, if mankind humans can make

1117
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:05.720
the termination and take the life of
another human, then why not have the

1118
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.199
government to it? Why not have
it done at the end of life?

1119
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.640
Why not have it done when somebody
is sick and going to be expensive to

1120
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:16.239
treat them. These are all the
issues that are there now in this particular

1121
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:23.079
case the judge. The judge is
emphasized that this is about the parents' right

1122
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:27.319
to decide autonomously whether, first of
all, if they want a child,

1123
01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:31.199
and secondly, whether or not,
given their life situation, they're prepared and

1124
01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:34.680
able to raise a disabled child according
to their needs. Well, if they're

1125
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:43.720
not, there are other people who
are quite frankly you know, when we

1126
01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:46.600
adopted my daughter, she was older. She had no disability, but they

1127
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:49.920
thought that she might have because she
had hydro sephless when she was born,

1128
01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:55.279
and so, you know, we'd
signed up to adopt her. There are

1129
01:36:55.279 --> 01:37:00.399
people there in the group who were
adopting kids who are blind. It might

1130
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:05.600
be something like a cleft palate that
they weren't going to get an operation in

1131
01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:10.039
China, but they could bring the
child to America and they could do it.

1132
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.680
They could either afford it, or
there were actually doctors who would donate

1133
01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.800
their services, you know, for
the family if they couldn't afford it to

1134
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:21.039
fix the cleft palate. But you
know, there are people who adopt,

1135
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:26.359
and not all the people that were
there were Christians either. They're just doing

1136
01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:30.359
that out of compassion. And so
if you have a child with disability,

1137
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.520
there's plenty of people out there who
are willing to do something about it.

1138
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:38.920
The doctor, however, will now
have to pay all costs for the child,

1139
01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:42.800
and has already been made to pay
about eighty three thousand dollars. In

1140
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.880
the future, further claims amounting to
several hundred thousand euros will be made for

1141
01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:54.560
the parents of the disabled child,
they said. And so it's all about

1142
01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:59.680
money, isn't it for these people? The love of money. Well,

1143
01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:02.159
I love money so much. I
love my career, my freedom that I

1144
01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:11.000
think I have, you know,
quite frankly, you know, it's when

1145
01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:15.479
you look at having children. It
is a very freeing thing and it is

1146
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:20.520
a wonderful growth opportunity for people to
be able to grow up as adults.

1147
01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:28.359
So these people just looking at the
money aspect of it, the love of

1148
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.439
money, and this is the way
planned parenthood sells it to people. You

1149
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.880
can't afford to pay for this child
for the rest do you realize how much

1150
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:38.800
is going to cost to raise a
child to the age of eighteen? Do

1151
01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.039
you have all that money right now? Well, of course nobody does.

1152
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:48.640
So they use that argument, they
use the love of money. Perhaps it

1153
01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:55.880
would be better for these parents of
a child who's disabled to focus on that

1154
01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:00.720
child and to learn to love that
child instead of learning to love their money

1155
01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:04.760
and their career or whatever else it
is. And then you have, in

1156
01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:16.039
Georgia a different direction. You have
a baby who the The malpractice is so

1157
01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:23.159
grotesque that some people are saying that
it is well it has now been ruled

1158
01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:30.319
a homicide by the legal officials because
the malpractice was so egregious. This is

1159
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:36.319
a baby that was decapitated during delivery, but of course they do that all

1160
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:42.960
the time to babies who are being
aborted, and nobody cares do they clearly

1161
01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:46.960
this is murder, and that's what
this doctor has been charged with. Not

1162
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:51.079
malpractice, but murder. But they
do this all the time when they do

1163
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:57.560
abortions. If the parents don't want
it, it's okay to murder a child,

1164
01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:01.079
just rip them to pieces. This
is a situation. On difficult labor.

1165
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:08.319
They experienced shoulder dystocia, a condition
in which one or both of the

1166
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:13.600
baby's shoulders get stuck inside the mother's
pelvis. In many cases, this necessitates

1167
01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:15.359
a sea section. And what they're
saying is you didn't do a sea section.

1168
01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:19.880
You just ignored that and kept pulling, and they decapitated the baby.

1169
01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:29.239
An amazing tragedy, But isn't it
a tragedy when the babies are deliberately sectioned

1170
01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:32.960
in pieces themselves, drawn and quartered, as we've seen in that animated film

1171
01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:36.840
the procedure. You know, the
guy with ultrasound recounting what he saw,

1172
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:42.000
and they show it as an animated
feature, you know, pulling the baby

1173
01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:47.640
apart, limb by limb until it
dies. John MacArthur has the Big Church

1174
01:40:47.680 --> 01:40:56.319
in California, has spoken out about
this guy who went to Iowa and destroyed

1175
01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:00.000
that Satanic display there, and we
went to talk about that. When we

1176
01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:02.720
come back. We're gonna take a
quick break and we'll come back and talk

1177
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.920
about that. Was it right,
was it wrong? We'll be right back.

1178
01:41:58.359 --> 01:42:03.880
If you are listening to the day
Night Show Elvis the Beetle and the

1179
01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:10.159
Sweet Sounds of Motown, find them
on the Oldies channel at APS radio dot

1180
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:15.680
com. So you remember the case
in Iowa, we had some people had

1181
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:21.359
set up Nativity scenes. They'd set
up i think a Hanukkah menora, and

1182
01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:27.000
so the Temple of Satan set up
this little thing that they made up.

1183
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:32.520
And again they have open it's not
attacking their religion. They don't believe this.

1184
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:35.720
This is there to make a mockery
of other people's religion. This is

1185
01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:40.840
there to shut down the expression of
religion. They want people to say,

1186
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:43.720
no, you can't put this up, but that's my religion. And so

1187
01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:46.319
then you can't put up any you
can't put up a Nativity scene. Or

1188
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:49.760
manure or anything. We're going to
shut us all down. That's their tactic.

1189
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:56.359
And I don't think that is the
two choices. In other words,

1190
01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:58.720
they always give us two choices,
don't they. These people want to control

1191
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:00.560
us. This is a Gallean dialege. We can either do this or you

1192
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:03.079
can do that. And it's like, no, there's always more than two

1193
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:09.520
choices about how you handle this.
And I think their appropriate response is to

1194
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:14.560
say, we understand that that's not
a religion because you and we're not doing

1195
01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:19.319
a religious test here. We're not
questioning your beliefs. We're just repeating what

1196
01:43:19.359 --> 01:43:24.439
you say on your website that you
don't believe any of this stuff. You

1197
01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:27.399
don't believe any of this stuff.
You don't believe in Satan. So why

1198
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:31.039
are you making a little temple thing
to Satan. It's an absolute fraud.

1199
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:36.479
It is a mockery. And so
I guess we could say you remove this

1200
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:43.000
temple of Satan thing. It's a
d mockery, right, So that I

1201
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.239
think is really the appropriate response.
What John MacArthur said was he said he

1202
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:50.680
absolutely back the actions. He actually
said it was a noble thing. A

1203
01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:55.640
question answer. A woman brought up
the case, asked MacArthur, He said,

1204
01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:59.680
would you deem this actions commendableist?
So so do we as Christians openly

1205
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:03.720
resids increasing promotion of Satanism. I'm
reminded of Gideon's acts of destroying the Altar

1206
01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:09.800
of Bail in the Book of Judges. MacArthur responded, well, you have

1207
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.039
to take the consequences if you do
it, but that was a noble thing

1208
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:16.720
to do. That was something that
Cassidy felt very deeply in his heart.

1209
01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:23.279
What are they doing having an alter
to satan in the state public building.

1210
01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:29.800
Well, again, it doesn't even
come down to that. It comes down

1211
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:31.720
to the fact that you recognize what
these people are about is they want to

1212
01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.560
purge religion out of the public square, and they do it by making a

1213
01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:39.000
mockery of it so that people want
to remove them and then apply that principle

1214
01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:43.760
to everybody else. That's their logic. We don't have to go through that

1215
01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:49.439
process. The First Amendment protects the
free exercise of religion. It doesn't protect

1216
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:56.079
the mockery of other people's religion as
a free exercise, that's what this is.

1217
01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:00.880
So he said, he destroyed it
to awaken to the anti Christian acts

1218
01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:05.359
promoted by our government. He said, the world may tell Christians to submissively

1219
01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:10.680
accept the legitimization of Satan, but
none of the country's founders would have considered

1220
01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:15.479
government sanction of Satanic altars inside of
the Capitol building as protected by the First

1221
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:19.359
Amendment. Nevertheless, you had the
governor of Iowa, Republican, a Republican

1222
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:27.319
member of the state legislature who is
also a pastor, said that, well,

1223
01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:30.680
look, if you know, my
religion is more important to me than

1224
01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:33.880
the politics. My religion is more
important to me than the law of man.

1225
01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:38.680
And if the law of man said
that that was not to be allowed,

1226
01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:44.479
I would violate that law of man. It's just that simple. But

1227
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:47.479
we don't even have to get to
that point. These people are being used

1228
01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:55.319
and they don't even understand it.
So is there a legitimization of Satan?

1229
01:45:55.399 --> 01:46:00.319
Well, consider this. Amazon Prime
has just come out with a cartoon called

1230
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:05.439
has Been Hotel, and it is
a mockery of God. It's a mockery

1231
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:10.239
of Christianity. It's a celebration of
Satan, as if they had been put

1232
01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:16.279
out by the Satanic temple itself.
It depicts Lucifer and Adams. What they

1233
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:23.239
say is his first wife Lilith,
as a couple running a hotel. The

1234
01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:30.800
trailer for this shows the tone in
the slant of the series, writes the

1235
01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:36.159
let's see this is bounding into comics
dot Com when they reviewed it. Satan

1236
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:41.680
is described as quote a dreamer with
fantastical ideas for all of creation. The

1237
01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:45.399
angels are heartless, They're unfair.
They're described that way. But he was

1238
01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:51.560
seen as a troublemaker by the elders
of heaven and Jewish Mesopotamian folklore. Lilith

1239
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:59.079
is a figure that is a matron
to the devil who fled Eden in defiance

1240
01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:00.560
of Adam God. They said,
well, they're drawing all this stuff from

1241
01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:04.600
that. Afterward, according to has
been Hotel, she struck up a romance

1242
01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:10.199
with a devil, and they conspired
to tempt Adam and Eve into eating from

1243
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:15.479
the tree of Knowledge. They said
they wanted to share the magic. This

1244
01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.199
is what they say in the trailer. They want to share the magic of

1245
01:47:18.279 --> 01:47:24.319
free will with humanity, offering the
fruit of knowledge to Adam's new bride,

1246
01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:31.960
Eve, who gladly accepted. This
is like Saul Alensky's dedicating his Rules for

1247
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:38.319
Radicals to Lucifer the rebel, and
this is the way they like to present

1248
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:41.920
him at one part. Enough of
this shit. Yeah, evidently from the

1249
01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:46.600
fact that it's a tired concept,
we're repurposing what millennia old Jewish fan fiction

1250
01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:49.920
about the Bible for a cartoon.
Now, oh, maybe the devil was

1251
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:55.039
actually the good guy. Wow?
Yeah, what an original concept. Yeah

1252
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:59.600
yeah, but it also is being
funded by Amazon lots of money. And

1253
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:05.439
it's kind of interesting what the head
of animation said about all of this as

1254
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:12.000
she was talking about it. She
said, her name is Melissa Wolf,

1255
01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:17.039
She told The New York Times this
cartoon gave her quote a kind of goosebumps

1256
01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:23.159
feeling when you know that it's an
amazing show. She said, we are

1257
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:30.119
going to be shifting within Amazon toward
diverse and LGBT stories and adult animation.

1258
01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:34.119
Our society and our culture has kind
of shifted, and a lot more diverse

1259
01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:38.680
stories are starting to be told,
a lot more LGBT stories and things like

1260
01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:43.199
that, she said. The adult
animation space, she said, has been

1261
01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:47.439
predominantly white male space for a very
long time, so we know exactly the

1262
01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:54.960
stereotype that she is coming from.
Now. There's really also besides what is

1263
01:48:54.960 --> 01:49:08.039
happening here. There is a very
strange in Houston. That is it's hang

1264
01:49:08.119 --> 01:49:13.520
on a second, let me,
let me grab this. It's the statue

1265
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:18.600
in Houston has been put up to
celebrate abortion too, and it's got kind

1266
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:24.560
of a Baphomet vibe to it.
Travis. The article is Texas Right to

1267
01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:30.399
Life calls on university to cancel a
satanic abortion idol. It's got a lot

1268
01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:33.119
of stuff on it. It's got
like this this person who's there that they

1269
01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:41.920
This is a statue that's on tour
eighteen foot golden female sculpture with hair braided

1270
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:46.640
like spiraling horns that look like the
way that Baphamet is depicted as you see

1271
01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:53.640
it on Elon Musk costume and the
Temple of Satan. And then it has

1272
01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:59.039
spindly arms and legs that are like
a whole bunch of different organic roots and

1273
01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:08.600
everything. And the tip towards Darth
Vader Ginsburg is that they put a collar

1274
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:12.159
of lace around its neck. It
truly is amazing to see. Do you

1275
01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:17.840
find the article yet? And debuted
in Madison's, New York's Madison Square Park

1276
01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:23.199
last year, they brought it to
the University of Houston for display It includes

1277
01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:28.000
a hoop skirt inspired by the stained
glass dome of the nearby courthouse. It

1278
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:32.439
symbolizes the need to break the legal
glass ceiling. According to New York Times,

1279
01:50:32.439 --> 01:50:40.800
again arms like tentacles and features a
lace collar like Justice Darth Vader Ginsburg.

1280
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:45.119
Written on the sculpture is the word
Hava, which the artist says means

1281
01:50:45.239 --> 01:50:50.319
air or atmosphere in Urdu, or
it means eve in Arabic and Hebrew.

1282
01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:57.159
He said so, the sculptor says, this means to breathe, to add

1283
01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:01.079
air, to change a narrative,
to add some space. Eve was also

1284
01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:03.720
the first lawbreaker, right, so
we were right back to the same theme.

1285
01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:10.279
Did you find the picture there yet? It's under If you search on

1286
01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:14.520
it on the list, you'll find
it. Texas Right to Life said,

1287
01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:18.439
disobedience to God certainly should not be
esteemed by society, much less lauded with

1288
01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:24.000
a statue. But that's what we
do. We take down statues of people

1289
01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:30.319
who lived in a way that helped
their fellow man, that was a credit

1290
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.319
to civilization, even though they may
not have been perfect people. We're deleting

1291
01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:40.279
those statues everywhere. We're creating a
statue to rebellion to God. That's where

1292
01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:45.560
our culture is right now. A
statue honoring child sacrifice. And of course

1293
01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:55.239
this is part of it, the
pro abortion aspect of it. The description

1294
01:51:55.319 --> 01:52:01.199
that the University of Houston had was
that it was cultural interconnectedness. Cultural interconnectedness.

1295
01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:12.239
So the allegorical female forms arms and
legs resemble intertwined tree roots. According

1296
01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:15.079
to the artist, the form is
self rooted and can carry its roots wherever

1297
01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:16.920
it goes. Oh, is it
an ent wife? Is that what it

1298
01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:18.840
is? Well, no, it
wouldn't be a wife. Of course,

1299
01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:26.760
we don't want to have anything like
that. The ram horns have a significance,

1300
01:52:27.079 --> 01:52:29.600
they said, associated with power and
valor, but of course the way

1301
01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:35.640
they present it it looks like a
Baphomet horn. And so when we look

1302
01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:45.520
at this celebration of law breakers again, what is it that we want to

1303
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:49.560
do to fix our society? Brian
and Deb McCartney said, our little baby

1304
01:52:49.600 --> 01:52:55.279
Ira Lou is now with Jesus.
She passed about seven thirty pm Monday evening.

1305
01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:58.880
I am so sorry to hear that. I am so sorry. I

1306
01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:05.000
didn't know your baby was sick.
I'm so sorry, May God bless you.

1307
01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:15.079
I'm sorry to hear that, but
let's talk about what Augustine says that

1308
01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:20.840
we need to honor in our society. I'm so sorry to see that this

1309
01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:28.279
is written by someone who is a
classical Christian educator. And he says,

1310
01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:33.399
what we try to do is we
try to talk to our students about civic

1311
01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:38.720
virtues. What does that even mean? Do we even talk about that anymore

1312
01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:44.279
in society? He said, We've
had a lot of people like the founders

1313
01:53:44.279 --> 01:53:48.439
of this country, people like Augustine, who have talked about that a great

1314
01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:56.239
deal, saying that society requires virtuous
members in order for that society to flourish.

1315
01:53:56.920 --> 01:54:00.479
And he says, so, what
is the source of civic virtue?

1316
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:03.520
He said, Each day in my
American Humanities course, I have students recite

1317
01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:10.479
Catechism that has a quote from George
Washington, and I'm going to read you

1318
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:12.880
that quote when we come back.
I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll

1319
01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:19.600
be right back. If you like
the Eagles on the Cars and Huey Lewis

1320
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:26.760
and the news, they say the
You'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS

1321
01:54:26.920 --> 01:56:08.359
Radio, download our app or listen
now at APS radio dot com. You're

1322
01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:13.880
listening to the David Knight Show.
Well, we have an interview that's going

1323
01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:15.119
to begin at the top of the
hour, but I might be able to

1324
01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:20.199
get through this before that. Let's
talk about civic virtue. And of course

1325
01:56:20.439 --> 01:56:26.760
one person we want to listen to
as George Washington, widely regarded by the

1326
01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:31.479
people who knew him. And we'll
see we have our guest has now joined

1327
01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:33.760
us. Okay, I tell you
what, but we're going to save this

1328
01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:39.520
until after the interview, and so
I don't keep him waiting, and we're

1329
01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:45.960
going to talk about something that is
happening in Washington State. Interesting law.

1330
01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:49.039
First of all, that was put
in an environmental law. There's now an

1331
01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:54.640
initiative to get rid of that environmental
law. So now the Washington government has

1332
01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:59.520
come up with what is essentially a
bribery to people, saying I keep that

1333
01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:02.159
in there. We're going to cut
you a check at one time check.

1334
01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:05.800
I mean, this is one of
the most interesting things I've seen. And

1335
01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:09.960
so Todd Myers is our guest.
We're going to take a quick break so

1336
01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:14.039
that we can connect with him and
we will be right back to tell you

1337
01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:18.960
the details of what is going on
again Washington State, they don't even try

1338
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:35.319
to hide it anymore, We'll be
right back the common man. They created

1339
01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:41.239
common Core and dumbed down our children. They created common past track and control

1340
01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:46.720
us. They're Commons project to make
sure the commoners own nothing and the communist

1341
01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:54.960
future. They see the common man
as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But each

1342
01:57:55.000 --> 01:58:00.600
of us has worth and dignity created
in the image of God. That is

1343
01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:03.760
what we have in common. That
is what they want to take away.

1344
01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:11.560
Their most powerful weapons are isolation,
deception, intimidation. They desire to know

1345
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:16.279
everything about us while they hide everything
from us. It's time to turn that

1346
01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:21.840
around and expose what they want to
hide. Please share the information and links

1347
01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:27.479
you'll find at the Davidnightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, Thank you

1348
01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:35.439
for sharing. If you can't support
us financially, please keep us in your

1349
01:58:35.439 --> 01:59:01.600
prayers. Ddavidknightshow dot com. All
right. Joining us now is Todd Myers.

1350
01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:06.960
He is a director of the Center
for Environment at the Washington Policy Center.

1351
01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:13.600
He is in Seattle, Washington,
and there is an amazing thing that

1352
01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:15.600
is happening there. But just as
an introduction, He has written for The

1353
01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:18.880
Wall Street Journal, the BBC,
The National Review, Seattle Times, USA

1354
01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:25.399
Today, been on numerous news networks, including CNBC, Fox News, and

1355
01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:30.319
CNN. And his wife Maria live
in the foothills of the Cascade Mountains in

1356
01:59:30.439 --> 01:59:32.880
Washington State. Good for you.
That sounds like a beautiful place with one

1357
01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:38.159
hundred thousand honey bees, and he's
been busy as a bee himself, and

1358
01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:43.920
he has an amazing story coming from
this left wing state and what they're trying

1359
01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:47.079
to do to keep some environmental legislation
in place. Thank you for joining us.

1360
01:59:47.079 --> 01:59:53.720
Todd, nice chat with Thank you. Tell us first of all about

1361
01:59:53.720 --> 02:00:00.119
this initiative to repeal a Climate Commitment
Act. Tell us what the Climate Commitment

1362
02:00:00.279 --> 02:00:05.520
Act is. Well, people are
probably familiar that in California, and maybe

1363
02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:11.279
they're familiar with Quebec have what's called
a cap and trade system for CO two

1364
02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:16.760
emissions. So Washington passed a similar
law in two thousand and one that just

1365
02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:20.600
took effect in twenty twenty three,
where we have a cap on total CO

1366
02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:27.560
two emissions and then we charge people
have to buy allowances for CO two.

1367
02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:31.159
Essentially attacks there's a tax on CO
two and so it's very similar to what's

1368
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:35.399
happening in California. So that's what's
called the Climate Commitment Act. It's just

1369
02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:41.119
as simply a CO two cap and
trade system. So we passed that.

1370
02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:45.439
Like I said, it just went
into effect in twenty twenty three. Governor

1371
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:49.880
Insley, who constantly talks about how
he's sort of the climate governor and this

1372
02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:54.119
is his big priority, said it
wouldn't have much of an impact. It

1373
02:00:54.119 --> 02:01:00.640
would cost about the pennies, he
said, pennies on account gasoline. We

1374
02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:01.800
did the math and we said,
well, no, it's like it's actually

1375
02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:05.039
going to cost more like forty six
cents a gallon, and he said,

1376
02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:09.600
we're run. In the fact,
that ended up being about forty three cents

1377
02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:13.079
a gallon, and at one point
last summer, for the first time in

1378
02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:16.479
Washington's history, we had the highest
gas prices in the nation, higher even

1379
02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:21.000
than California. So wow. As
a result, people, because you can

1380
02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:28.640
imagine, were unamused, and so
they got signatures to repeal the Climate Commitment

1381
02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:31.159
Act, and that is likely to
be on the ballot this November, the

1382
02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:35.520
repeal of that tax on CO two. Wow, and that is really amazing

1383
02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:40.079
because you when we look at California, it has extremely high taxes, plus

1384
02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:45.560
they have to have a you know, bespoke kind of gasoline made for them.

1385
02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:48.239
So there's only a few refineries that
can make that customized gasoline, and

1386
02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:54.039
that drives the price up as well. But even without that, Washington's high

1387
02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:57.399
gas taxes made it the most expensive. You know. I've always seen this

1388
02:01:57.479 --> 02:02:00.600
when when people want when the government
would want to raise the same sales tax

1389
02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:02.000
todd they would say, well,
it's only a penny, you know,

1390
02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:06.800
We're only going We're only going from
five to six percent. It's like,

1391
02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:11.239
okay, well that's a twenty percent
increase. It's not a penny increase.

1392
02:02:11.279 --> 02:02:15.600
It's a twenty percent increase, you
know. And they always play those types

1393
02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:19.359
of semantic games with people. So
besides the tax on gas, does this

1394
02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:27.640
carbon tax manifest itself in other ways? Yeah. It covers all COEO two

1395
02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:30.119
mini fuel, so it's not just
gasoline, it's also diesel. Diesel is

1396
02:02:30.119 --> 02:02:33.960
actually more expensive. It's about fifty
three cents a gallon on average last year.

1397
02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:38.239
It also does natural gas pro paid, so we have a lot of

1398
02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:43.359
people in Washington State who keep their
homes with natural gas. It impacts that

1399
02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:47.039
as well. So it covers amidst
CEO. But it's not on food and

1400
02:02:47.159 --> 02:02:51.119
meat that yet. Right, guess
that's where they work, right, Well,

1401
02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:56.199
I mean of course it's it's on
the energy, you know, transport

1402
02:02:56.199 --> 02:02:59.039
and everything else. So yeah,
it shows up everywhere. Yeah, oh

1403
02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:01.359
yeah, it's gonna Yeah, you
increase the price of energy and fuel.

1404
02:03:01.600 --> 02:03:05.159
It trickles through everything, and we
all saw that with the oil embargo.

1405
02:03:05.640 --> 02:03:09.720
But you know, they want to
get there with their special additional taxes on

1406
02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:14.239
those prohibited things. And it reminds
me all these carbon taxes. God remind

1407
02:03:14.279 --> 02:03:19.680
me of the medieval indulgences. Right, you buy an indulgence from them in

1408
02:03:19.800 --> 02:03:25.479
order to sin, and the carbon
usage is now supposed to be a sin.

1409
02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:28.279
It truly is amazing. So people
saw this and wanted to get rid

1410
02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:30.600
of it. So how has the
White and they got an initiative together?

1411
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:40.399
How has the state of Washington responded? So because the prices of the CO

1412
02:03:40.600 --> 02:03:44.439
two tax were so much higher.
The way that the tax is set is

1413
02:03:44.439 --> 02:03:47.000
at an auction, so there's a
limited number of allowances. Everybody who has

1414
02:03:47.079 --> 02:03:51.560
covered fuel suppliers, natural gas supplies
are things like that. They all have

1415
02:03:51.640 --> 02:03:56.479
to be so the prices go up
and down. So the prices were much

1416
02:03:56.560 --> 02:04:00.800
higher than anticipated in Washington State,
because the system was essentially set up to

1417
02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:06.039
create extreme scarcity. Why because all
of that money goes to the state and

1418
02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:10.920
form of taxes. So the tighter
you make the market, the higher the

1419
02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:15.760
prices, the more taxes go to
the government. So they estimated that there

1420
02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:20.199
would be about three hundred million dollars
raised in Washington State in the first year.

1421
02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:26.119
Instead it was about one point six
billion dollars. So they have an

1422
02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:31.600
absolute gusher of money that has come
in and now the legislature, which is

1423
02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:34.880
in session right now, is trying
to figure out what to do that with

1424
02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:39.319
that, and of course they're spending
the vast majority of it. But one

1425
02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:42.640
of the things that they did with
about one hundred and fifty million dollars was

1426
02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:45.920
to say, all right, we're
going to send out a one time payment

1427
02:04:46.079 --> 02:04:53.479
of two hundred dollars to starting with
low income utility customers and then moving up

1428
02:04:53.479 --> 02:04:56.479
to see how far we get with
one hundred and fifty million dollars. And

1429
02:04:56.520 --> 02:05:00.960
there are several fun aspects of this. So the House that versions are slightly

1430
02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:03.560
different. But in the house version, the first pay, the first check

1431
02:05:04.039 --> 02:05:10.079
goes out October fifteenth, twenty twenty
four, three weeks before the election.

1432
02:05:12.279 --> 02:05:15.800
The other fun thing about that is
is that the way the administered is is

1433
02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:18.720
that utility, because it's for utility
customers. Utilities are the ones to send

1434
02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:25.319
out the checks. But the law
says, the proposed law says that the

1435
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:30.800
utilities have to use language approved by
the Washington State Department of Commerce, so

1436
02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:35.359
they can't say here's money. They're
likely going to have to say here's money

1437
02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:40.880
that we're giving you thanks to the
tax on CO two themis yeah, oh

1438
02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:44.680
yeah, this is this is crazy. It is not right. Bribe.

1439
02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:46.600
Don't remove this thing. You know, we taxed you with all of this,

1440
02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:50.319
and the taxes brought in five times, more more than five times when

1441
02:05:50.319 --> 02:05:54.319
they thought it was going to bring
in, and so don't remove this heavy

1442
02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:58.000
burden that we've put on you.
Instead, we'll catch you a check if

1443
02:05:58.000 --> 02:06:01.000
you leave it in place, and
then or so, what a foolish bargain

1444
02:06:01.039 --> 02:06:03.319
that is for people? A lot
of people will take it. I guess

1445
02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:06.359
yeah, And as you pointed out, it's a one time paycheck, so

1446
02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:10.760
it's not so you know, the
costs in twenty twenty four, the costs

1447
02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:15.079
in twenty twenty five, they don't
Nobody gets any relief from that. It's

1448
02:06:15.119 --> 02:06:17.800
a one time paycheck timed to go
out near the election. The other thing

1449
02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:21.520
is is that there's a second in
the House version. There's a second round

1450
02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:27.239
of checks that would go to different
people that are scheduled for February of twenty

1451
02:06:27.279 --> 02:06:33.000
twenty five. And what the law
says is if the CO two tax is

1452
02:06:33.039 --> 02:06:40.800
repealed, that round of checks is
canceled. So if you want your check,

1453
02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:44.199
vote against this. Otherwise we won't
send it to you. Now,

1454
02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:47.560
not only is that pretty blatant what
the game they're playing there, but it's

1455
02:06:47.600 --> 02:06:55.840
also dishonest because the money has already
been collected. The legislator who wrote that

1456
02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:58.560
into the bill said, well,
we don't if they repeal it, we

1457
02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:00.640
don't know if we're going to have
the money. That's completely false. The

1458
02:07:00.680 --> 02:07:04.000
money has already been collected, as
I said, as you pointed out,

1459
02:07:04.000 --> 02:07:08.600
they've collected you know, five or
six times what they expected. The money

1460
02:07:08.640 --> 02:07:13.399
is already in the state treasury.
And in fact, the Senate version pays

1461
02:07:13.399 --> 02:07:17.680
out one hundred and fifty million all
at once. So the game that they're

1462
02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:20.600
playing of saying oh, well we
might you know, we might not give

1463
02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:26.399
it to you if you vote the
wrong way is just it's not only bribery,

1464
02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.479
it's dishonest. Yeah. Yeah,
carrot and a stick. Yeah,

1465
02:07:29.479 --> 02:07:31.880
you get the carrot just before the
election, and then you know to keep

1466
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:35.560
it in there, and then they
hit you with a stick in February after

1467
02:07:35.600 --> 02:07:39.399
the election if you don't keep it
in there. It's kind of interesting.

1468
02:07:39.560 --> 02:07:43.000
It's a little bit of a stimulus
check for the green agenda, just like

1469
02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:47.239
we had a stimulus check for the
pandemic agenda. And instead of universal basic

1470
02:07:47.279 --> 02:07:51.199
income accustoming getting people accustomed to that, I guess we could start to get

1471
02:07:51.199 --> 02:07:59.079
an accustomed to direct bribery of the
voters. We call universal basic bribery.

1472
02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:03.680
It's starting to look like. But
this is an important thing for people to

1473
02:08:03.720 --> 02:08:07.279
understand. Because this is Washington State, it's a Democrat state. We can

1474
02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:13.680
expect to see this type of stuff. Certainly, the carbon taxes replicated across

1475
02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:18.359
the country, and this is a
new wrinkle in terms of trying to get

1476
02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:24.479
people to continue to enslave themselves to
pay these taxes and never to take them

1477
02:08:24.479 --> 02:08:26.720
off. I mean, it really
is an idiot deal, but a lot

1478
02:08:26.760 --> 02:08:31.039
of people are going to take that, just like they love the stimulus check,

1479
02:08:31.079 --> 02:08:33.560
and this is a little bribery check, and they'd love to do that.

1480
02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:37.279
I think, Well, New York
is considering following and creating its own

1481
02:08:37.359 --> 02:08:41.760
cap and trade CO two system,
and they are looking at Washington, and

1482
02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:45.760
I guarantee that they are probably looking
at how this goes down, because if

1483
02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.000
even voters in Washington State say that
they don't like this, right, I

1484
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:54.239
think that's a message to the whole
country that these sorts of systems are not

1485
02:08:54.359 --> 02:08:56.119
popular. Yes, let me just
say, though, there's a you know,

1486
02:08:56.199 --> 02:09:00.760
as a I have worked in an
environmental policy for twenty five years.

1487
02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:05.399
I am on the center right.
There are lots of things that people on

1488
02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.279
the center right can do to help
the environment. As you read in my

1489
02:09:09.319 --> 02:09:11.479
bio, I live in the foothills
and the Cascades. I live in a

1490
02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:16.760
forest. Right, that's look at
a political map about where people on the

1491
02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:20.319
right tend to live. It's close
to nature. And so another frustrating thing

1492
02:09:20.359 --> 02:09:24.880
about this is is that stories like
this tend to make people on the center

1493
02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:30.640
right cynical about all environmental policy.
And I think that we need to reject

1494
02:09:30.680 --> 02:09:33.039
that. I think what we need
to say is, look, we actually

1495
02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:37.159
are the ones who care about the
environment, and our policies work. Right,

1496
02:09:37.159 --> 02:09:43.239
We're not just using environmental policy as
a trojan horse for big government or

1497
02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:46.760
to raise money for special interests or
things like that. Our policies, our

1498
02:09:46.800 --> 02:09:52.960
approaches actually about stewardship of the land
and caring about the planet. So as

1499
02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:56.720
crazy as the story is, what
I don't want people to take away is,

1500
02:09:56.039 --> 02:10:01.199
oh, this is just another example
that environmental policy see and concerns about

1501
02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:07.119
environment are nonsense. That's the wrong
attitude. The right attitude is look their

1502
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:09.359
stuff. As much as the left
loves to brag about how much they care

1503
02:10:09.359 --> 02:10:15.520
about the environment, their policies don't
work. Our approaches, which are based

1504
02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:18.479
in stewardship of the land, actually
are the ones that help the environment.

1505
02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:20.239
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. As
a matter of fact, you know,

1506
02:10:20.319 --> 02:10:26.560
you're with a policy institute that is
state based, and it was I guess

1507
02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:28.039
two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine, I can't remember the exact

1508
02:10:28.079 --> 02:10:31.960
date. I think it was around
that time I went to you know,

1509
02:10:33.399 --> 02:10:35.920
I can't remember the name of the
group that does it, but they have

1510
02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:39.680
think tanks from all fifty states,
and then of course there's some that are

1511
02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:45.600
national like Heritage Foundation and stuff like
that, and it was in Seattle that

1512
02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:48.279
went to beautiful place that was there. But one of the guys that I

1513
02:10:48.319 --> 02:10:50.560
worked with with the group that I
was in, his name is David Schnaire.

1514
02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:56.199
He worked for the EPA for thirty
years. And yeah, you know

1515
02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:58.880
David, Yeah, good guy he
was. You know, he cared about

1516
02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.399
the environment. He wanted to clean
it up. But then he saw it

1517
02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.760
transferring. You know, this mission
creep that they were on, you know,

1518
02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:09.159
they started getting these other things,
and you know, I also saw

1519
02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:13.960
this with my uncle who was head
of the forestry Department University of Missouri Columbia,

1520
02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:16.479
and he said, you know,
it's a big difference between conservation and

1521
02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:20.279
environmentalism. You know, he said, we want to care for the land

1522
02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:24.520
and we see ourselves as stewards of
the land. These people just want to

1523
02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:26.720
lock everything up and you know they're
not going to remove any dead wood.

1524
02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:30.199
He said, that's going to burn
the force down. And we've seen that

1525
02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:35.359
type of stuff. You have to
actually work it instead of just leaving it

1526
02:11:35.399 --> 02:11:37.640
in a wild state. But now, you know, the PA seems to

1527
02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:41.279
me like it is completely off the
rails. That's certainly what David Schnair thought

1528
02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:45.960
he retired and he fought against them, you know, because he didn't like

1529
02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:48.720
the direction that they were going.
The good thing I think, though,

1530
02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:52.119
is is that there is a growing
recognition and a growing frustretch of frustration,

1531
02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:58.079
even from some folks on the center
left, that government policies are not solving

1532
02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:01.439
problems. And what you see is
is and I talk with a lot of

1533
02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:05.479
people on the center left who care
about the environment, who are finding new

1534
02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:09.159
ways, ways that go through nonprofits
or businesses are on the ground actually making

1535
02:12:09.239 --> 02:12:16.039
a difference. And there is a
growing movement of people who recognize that government,

1536
02:12:16.079 --> 02:12:22.000
the nineteen seventies style of government,
top heavy environmentalism, isn't solving problems.

1537
02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:24.920
And so I actually wrote a book
called Time to Think Small about folks

1538
02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:31.680
who are doing really cool things,
and it shows that markets, personal stewardship,

1539
02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:35.840
innovation, those are the things that
really help the environment. And a

1540
02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:37.960
lot of the stories I tell in
my book are people who are not on

1541
02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:41.239
the right, they're on the center
left, but they have the same frustration.

1542
02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:46.039
And so I wrote my book because
I know a lot of conservatives I

1543
02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:50.560
care about the environment, but are
frustrated with the environmental politics they're looking for

1544
02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:54.760
alternatives. And the good thing is
is that with technology we now have those

1545
02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:58.760
alternatives. We don't have to fall
for the trap of the EPA where they

1546
02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:03.840
take more and more power and have
you know that One of my favorite qoots

1547
02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:07.079
is that, you know, fanaticism
is redoubling your efforts when you've lost sight

1548
02:13:07.159 --> 02:13:11.960
of the goal. And I think
a lot of government programs have done that.

1549
02:13:11.000 --> 02:13:13.840
But there is an opportunity to do
some things that actually are good for

1550
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:16.279
the environment. That's right. What
is the name of your book again?

1551
02:13:18.119 --> 02:13:22.399
Time to Think Small Good, How
environmental technologies can solve the planet's biggest problems.

1552
02:13:22.439 --> 02:13:26.640
And you know, I know,
I talk to a lot of conservatives

1553
02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:30.399
who whose kids come back from college, and they're very frustrated because they have

1554
02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:33.399
all these ideas about environmentalism in their
mind. And so I wrote the book,

1555
02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:37.359
you know, to appeal to people
who are on the center left.

1556
02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:41.399
In fact, the forward is written
by somebody from the World Wildlife Fund,

1557
02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:45.199
because there are people, like I
said, on the center left who recognize

1558
02:13:45.199 --> 02:13:48.800
that we need to change the things
that we're doing to help the environment,

1559
02:13:48.920 --> 02:13:52.119
and just government, you know,
having a government program and attacks just doesn't

1560
02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:54.840
do it anymore. I agree.
I agree. And you know, when

1561
02:13:54.840 --> 02:13:58.560
you say time to think small,
we're talking local. That's where things get

1562
02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:01.079
done. Everybody under stands that.
And when you look at what has happened

1563
02:14:01.119 --> 02:14:07.640
with the EPA, they have been
as counterproductive to the environment as the Department

1564
02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:09.880
of Education has been to education.
You know, when the federal government gets

1565
02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:13.560
it, what do they do.
They start throwing money around, and they

1566
02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:20.000
tend to misallocate that money. They
tend to, you know, reward the

1567
02:14:20.039 --> 02:14:22.920
wrong things, which as we always
see happens with central planning. When it's

1568
02:14:22.960 --> 02:14:26.119
something that is small, When it
is local, you have a better chance

1569
02:14:26.119 --> 02:14:33.039
of getting it done right and people
can see the need and there's just it's

1570
02:14:33.119 --> 02:14:37.399
just a completely different approach than trying
to get everything solved centrally. And I

1571
02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:41.079
think that's a real important lesson for
both the left and the right to understand,

1572
02:14:41.079 --> 02:14:43.119
because now I see a lot of
conservatives saying, well, we got

1573
02:14:43.159 --> 02:14:46.680
to fix all this in Washington.
I just don't think that that's the right

1574
02:14:46.720 --> 02:14:48.239
way to go about it. I
think we need to revitalize things at the

1575
02:14:48.279 --> 02:14:52.680
local community level. At the small
level is where we need to grow this

1576
02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:56.920
stuff and need to fix it from
the bottom up. I think that's exactly

1577
02:14:58.000 --> 02:15:01.159
right. And you see really tremendous
examples because at the local level, you

1578
02:15:01.199 --> 02:15:03.079
not only have better knowledge, right, you know the problems, you're close

1579
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:07.079
to it, but you also have
accountability and if things don't work, you

1580
02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:11.279
make changes and politicians screws up.
When have you ever heard of politicians say,

1581
02:15:11.319 --> 02:15:13.359
boy, I really screwed that up. We need to change, right.

1582
02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:16.439
They never say that, But if
you're on the ground and you're actually

1583
02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:20.640
trying to make a difference, there
is that accountability and that incentive to change.

1584
02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:24.439
And one of my favorite examples is
of tribal stewardship of forest lands here

1585
02:15:24.479 --> 02:15:28.000
in Washington State. If you look
at federal forest lands, they are horrible.

1586
02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:33.640
They're very unhealthy, very fire prone, horrible habitat. But you look

1587
02:15:33.720 --> 02:15:37.319
right next door on tribal lands where
they have control of their forests. Forests

1588
02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:41.359
are very healthy, much less fire
probe. Why because they can go in,

1589
02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:45.840
they have the ability to take action
to fin out those forests, to

1590
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:48.000
make them so that they to do
the work that they need to do.

1591
02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:56.920
And because if those forests burn,
guess what the tribal members know whose door

1592
02:15:56.960 --> 02:16:01.319
to knock? On who's managing those
forests, so direct accountability. And it's

1593
02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:07.520
really interesting because you can see where
tribal lands are up against federal lands,

1594
02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:11.000
and the federal lands are red and
dead and the tribal lands are green.

1595
02:16:11.399 --> 02:16:15.159
And it's not necessarily thing to do
with tribes per se. It has to

1596
02:16:15.159 --> 02:16:18.720
do with they have the local knowledge
and the incentives and the accountability to do

1597
02:16:18.760 --> 02:16:22.359
it right. That's the ethic that
we need to bring to stewardship generally,

1598
02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:26.199
rather than, as you say,
trying to do everything from Washington, which

1599
02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:28.199
cruity doesn't work. Yes, and
I've seen that over and over again.

1600
02:16:28.239 --> 02:16:33.120
I've seen it in Wyom what you're
talking about. And it's not necessarily even

1601
02:16:33.159 --> 02:16:35.319
just the tribal lands. It's just
private property that people have there. And

1602
02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:41.399
so I've seen it in Wyoming.
I've seen it in here in Tennessee when

1603
02:16:41.399 --> 02:16:45.360
they had the big fires in the
federal forest and everything that spilled over into

1604
02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:50.159
other people's property. A really bad
case of it in Idaho where my son

1605
02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:54.200
and I interviewed a guy who was
a logger and they were just shutting down

1606
02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:58.719
the logging industry left and right,
but he had taken very good care of

1607
02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:01.159
his land, and he had gradually
invested in this and was, you know,

1608
02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:07.479
gradually working the land and selectively taking
out trees that had died and stuff

1609
02:17:07.520 --> 02:17:11.680
like that. But that was going
to be his retirement. And because of

1610
02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:16.920
the the negligence and the mismanagement of
the federal lands, a fire got out

1611
02:17:16.959 --> 02:17:20.799
of control there and went on to
his land and burned up what was going

1612
02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:26.959
to be his retirement. And it's
such a tragedy to see that because they

1613
02:17:26.079 --> 02:17:31.760
won't manage the lands properly, and
you know, you look at that,

1614
02:17:31.239 --> 02:17:35.040
it's not the Bureau of Land Management. They're really trying to just manage people

1615
02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:37.959
off their private property. They don't
really manage the lands that they have there,

1616
02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:41.239
and that's really what has happened to
the environmentalism. So that's a great

1617
02:17:41.239 --> 02:17:45.159
idea. I think time to think
small, get back to the local area.

1618
02:17:45.200 --> 02:17:48.200
As you point out, people can
can see if something is working and

1619
02:17:48.239 --> 02:17:50.440
they can make that adjustment. And
that is true when we look at every

1620
02:17:50.559 --> 02:17:56.079
aspect of centralized, federally controlled,
federally funded program every single one of these

1621
02:17:56.120 --> 02:18:00.559
programs where you're talking about the environment
or you're talking about welfare, if it's

1622
02:18:00.559 --> 02:18:05.520
happening at the local level it used
to be with volunteer organizations. Then people

1623
02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:07.360
can see what is happening and they
can make those adjustments. That is a

1624
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.920
much better model, isn't it.
Yeah. And the other nice thing about

1625
02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:15.799
that is is that we have this
traditional note stewardship of local land and things

1626
02:18:15.879 --> 02:18:18.719
like that, but now we have
technology that can multiply your efforts. So

1627
02:18:18.760 --> 02:18:22.520
one of the common fritiques is,
oh, only government can do this,

1628
02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:28.440
because only government has the scale that
can solve these big problems. But in

1629
02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:33.040
fact, with technology now the efforts
of individuals can be multiplied through technology,

1630
02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:37.920
through information other things like that and
make really big difference. And there's a

1631
02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:41.559
great example. You know, people
always talking about climate change, but there

1632
02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:46.360
are other issues like ocean plastic and
a group called Plastic Bank goes to where

1633
02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:50.120
the plastic is going into the ocean, which is not the United States is

1634
02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:54.280
developing countries right, and they see
people on their cell phones to pick up

1635
02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:58.600
plastic, recycle it, and then
they sell it to sc Johnson. So

1636
02:18:58.639 --> 02:19:01.959
when you go buy a windex bot, a little say made with ocean bound

1637
02:19:01.079 --> 02:19:05.959
plastic, and they have a web
page that shows you exactly where they've picked

1638
02:19:07.000 --> 02:19:09.319
up the plastic. Now, what's
the technology involved? Cell phones and a

1639
02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:16.079
web page, nothing very crazy,
but just that has allowed them to pay

1640
02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:20.520
people and show that they're actually making
a difference, and they have collected a

1641
02:19:20.719 --> 02:19:26.639
quarter of a billion pounds of plastic
that might have washed into the ocean.

1642
02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:31.520
Wow. And small efforts can really
make a difference, and with technology we

1643
02:19:31.559 --> 02:19:35.040
can multiply them. So this all, you know, this excuse that only

1644
02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:39.200
government has the capacity to solve these
problems is just simply false. And in

1645
02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:45.520
an age where we have technology and
tools like that, small actions multiply into

1646
02:19:45.639 --> 02:19:48.479
big environmental benefits. Yes, And
of course, as you point out,

1647
02:19:48.719 --> 02:19:52.559
a lot of the ocean plastic is
not really coming from America's coming from Asia,

1648
02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:56.200
you know, it's where the big
aspects of that are. But it's

1649
02:19:56.239 --> 02:20:01.079
all being used for political purposes.
That's the point I think, you know,

1650
02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:03.920
cutting through all of the bs that
they're putting out there, they're not

1651
02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:09.120
really that interested in the environment.
They're interested in the political power that it

1652
02:20:09.159 --> 02:20:11.040
gives them. I think that is
what people are starting to realize, and

1653
02:20:11.040 --> 02:20:15.959
that's what makes conservatives cynical. So
it's a good idea to get people to

1654
02:20:16.040 --> 02:20:18.559
understand, Yes, we do need
to take care of the environment. Yes,

1655
02:20:18.600 --> 02:20:22.440
we did have toxic places out there, but look at what happened when

1656
02:20:22.479 --> 02:20:26.479
we tried to solve it at the
federal level. It's turned into this,

1657
02:20:26.200 --> 02:20:31.719
you know, this metastasizing cancer that
is off of the mission and onto something

1658
02:20:31.799 --> 02:20:37.719
that is completely different than what it
began with. Well, i'll give you

1659
02:20:37.760 --> 02:20:41.000
a quick example of that. In
Portland, Oregon, just south of where

1660
02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:46.520
I am, they passed what's called
the Clean Energy Fund, which was which

1661
02:20:46.559 --> 02:20:48.719
is a tax that was designed and
what they claimed it was going to do

1662
02:20:48.840 --> 02:20:54.559
was to create clean energy in Portland
and enter help Portland meet its climate goals.

1663
02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:58.000
But when the first round of grants
came out, a reporter called me

1664
02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:00.799
and said, what do you think
of the And I said, well,

1665
02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:05.360
these don't actually reduce CO two emissions, they're really expensive, and they do

1666
02:21:05.440 --> 02:21:09.559
almost nothing for the environment. And
so the reporter did a good job and

1667
02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:11.719
went to the head of the Sierra
Club and asked, you know, hey,

1668
02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:16.920
these projects that are chosen under the
Clean Energy Fund, which you supported,

1669
02:21:16.200 --> 02:21:20.680
aren't actually helping the environment. And
he said, well, yeah,

1670
02:21:20.879 --> 02:21:24.799
that wasn't the goal. The goal
was to use this fund to address systemic

1671
02:21:24.920 --> 02:21:31.559
racism. Here is a policy that
is supposed to, you know, address

1672
02:21:31.600 --> 02:21:35.840
climate change, something they call an
existential crisis, and instead of actually using

1673
02:21:35.840 --> 02:21:39.719
it to address that policy, they
use it for some other political goal.

1674
02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:46.520
And that I think is that we
have to fight that because environmental environmentalism is

1675
02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:52.239
being used as a political goal.
But I think that's also the opportunity for

1676
02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:54.879
conservatives and for people on the center
right to say, look, they're not

1677
02:21:56.000 --> 02:22:01.120
really serious about environment and climate change. We are about solving environmental problems because

1678
02:22:01.120 --> 02:22:05.440
we demand results where they play political
games. Oh yeah, and the bigger

1679
02:22:05.479 --> 02:22:09.040
scale, even when you look at
the Paris Climate of court, right,

1680
02:22:09.159 --> 02:22:13.399
that allows China and India, the
two biggest polluters, are the two biggest

1681
02:22:13.399 --> 02:22:16.159
populations, to build as many power
plants as they want with that, and

1682
02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:18.440
they can be as dirty as they
want. It's not about that. If

1683
02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:22.399
they want to talk about a global
crisis or something like that, then why

1684
02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:26.760
would you give the two biggest countries
the ability to continue to expand and build

1685
02:22:26.799 --> 02:22:31.719
this stuff. And a lot of
people who believe that it was an existential

1686
02:22:31.760 --> 02:22:33.520
crisis, we're very furious about that. That said, all you're doing is

1687
02:22:33.559 --> 02:22:39.719
transferring industry from the West to China
and to India. And of course they

1688
02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:43.079
want to do that because the labor
costs are less, and they can also

1689
02:22:43.200 --> 02:22:48.360
they don't have any regulation, so
they can get very cheap energy costs,

1690
02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:50.040
and then they say they're protecting the
environment at the same time. I mean,

1691
02:22:50.360 --> 02:22:54.639
the whole thing is predicated off of
that. But I guess maybe they

1692
02:22:54.639 --> 02:22:58.520
could also call it fighting systemic racism
or something. If they transfer everything to

1693
02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:03.479
China and India. It's just a
sham in so many ways that we see

1694
02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:07.680
this, and so the people who
actually are concerned about that still see that

1695
02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:13.600
as not really doing anything about what
they perceive as a problem. Well yeah,

1696
02:23:13.639 --> 02:23:18.319
and then that's the problem with these
sort of political solutions is that they

1697
02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:20.799
have to play games like that.
Right when they say it's well, it's

1698
02:23:20.799 --> 02:23:24.559
not only fair, it's sort of
justifiably they say it's not fair for us

1699
02:23:24.559 --> 02:23:28.760
to have industrialized and then to put
a cap on India, Right, we

1700
02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:31.360
need to give them a chance.
But the point that you're making is exactly

1701
02:23:31.440 --> 02:23:37.079
right, which is is that the
political compromises then have to carve out India

1702
02:23:37.079 --> 02:23:41.520
and other places like that. So
where are we going to find solutions where

1703
02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:43.680
are they going to find that?
You know, how are they going to

1704
02:23:43.719 --> 02:23:46.399
reduce CO two messions? How are
they're going to reduce pollution? How are

1705
02:23:46.440 --> 02:23:48.840
they going to make their environment better? It's not from government, you know,

1706
02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:54.600
agreements, international agreements. It's from
technology. It's from market. And

1707
02:23:54.159 --> 02:23:58.959
that's the beauty about free markets.
There has no system that has been developed

1708
02:24:00.479 --> 02:24:05.799
that encourages people to do more with
less. It is so effective at finding

1709
02:24:05.840 --> 02:24:11.760
ways to economize and economize simply means
using fewer resources. So, you know,

1710
02:24:11.840 --> 02:24:16.120
India and the future is going to
be cleaner, not because of international

1711
02:24:16.120 --> 02:24:20.600
agreements, but because of technology that
they've developed, that we've developed and traded

1712
02:24:20.639 --> 02:24:24.000
with them. That's where environmental progress
comes from. Yes, yes, And

1713
02:24:24.079 --> 02:24:26.479
so you have situations like Toyota.
You know, they said, well we

1714
02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:30.600
want zero mission cars. Okay,
we can do that instead of doing a

1715
02:24:30.639 --> 02:24:33.440
battery, we'll do like hydrogen technology
or something. Oh no, no,

1716
02:24:33.559 --> 02:24:35.280
you can't do that, you know, I mean, there's always we need

1717
02:24:35.280 --> 02:24:39.159
to understand that what these people are
pushing from the central authorities when they have

1718
02:24:39.239 --> 02:24:45.479
their centralized, top down solutions,
they've got a political agenda. They're feeding

1719
02:24:45.520 --> 02:24:48.879
you a line about what they actually
want to do, and you can see

1720
02:24:48.879 --> 02:24:52.120
that when they say no, only
this particular solution that we have put forward

1721
02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:54.360
is going to be the one that's
allowed. It's like, okay, so

1722
02:24:54.399 --> 02:24:58.159
you don't think that other thing.
It really is an existential risk that needs

1723
02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:01.239
to be addressed. We've got something
that you want us to do, and

1724
02:25:01.280 --> 02:25:07.719
you're using this as a beard to
force us or to scare us into doing

1725
02:25:07.799 --> 02:25:09.399
what you want to do. I
think is we see this over and over

1726
02:25:09.440 --> 02:25:13.799
again. This seems to be the
hallmark the antithesis of a free market,

1727
02:25:13.200 --> 02:25:18.719
a command control economy, where they
have already picked a solution, They probably

1728
02:25:18.719 --> 02:25:22.920
already invested into these different markets,
the people who are pushing it, and

1729
02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:26.040
so that's why you're only going to
have one solution that's going to be offered

1730
02:25:26.040 --> 02:25:28.239
to people. I think in many
cases. Well, and the other example

1731
02:25:28.239 --> 02:25:31.440
of that, of course is nuclear. Right all people who's it's an existential

1732
02:25:31.479 --> 02:25:35.000
crisis then turn around and say,
oh, but we can't do a nuclear

1733
02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:39.639
even though obviously one of the best
options to produce carbon free energy. But

1734
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:45.639
my favorite example with regard to Toyota
and technology is that in the nineteen nineties,

1735
02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:50.280
California had a law that said that
a certain percentage of cars would have

1736
02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:54.680
to be electric by the year twenty
twenty. And there was this documentary made

1737
02:25:54.680 --> 02:25:58.239
called Who Killed the Electric Car?
As they remember that electric cars could have

1738
02:25:58.280 --> 02:26:03.280
been available, only you know we
had actually done it. Well we know

1739
02:26:03.760 --> 02:26:07.159
today we're still struggling to get affordable
electric cars. But there was this law.

1740
02:26:07.520 --> 02:26:15.280
But Toyota, rather than meeting the
electric car law that was in California,

1741
02:26:15.319 --> 02:26:18.840
which was totally infeasible and wasn't going
to happen, they said, we're

1742
02:26:18.879 --> 02:26:22.399
going to do the technology that makes
sense, and that's a hybrid. And

1743
02:26:22.600 --> 02:26:28.399
the irony is is that Toyota rejected
California's law and said we're going to make

1744
02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:33.760
something that fits with the technology.
And the Prius ended up ironically becoming sort

1745
02:26:33.799 --> 02:26:37.879
of the symbol of the environmental movement
for a while. Right, if you

1746
02:26:37.959 --> 02:26:41.040
wanted to show we're an environmentalist,
you bought a Prius. And what ended

1747
02:26:41.120 --> 02:26:46.639
up happening was is that California had
to change their law to count hybrids.

1748
02:26:46.079 --> 02:26:52.200
So again it was the market that
saw the way to create a vehicle that

1749
02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:58.639
was more fuel efficient miitted less CO
two but was feasible technically. And what

1750
02:26:58.760 --> 02:27:03.040
appealed to consumers rather than sort of
politicians saying well, we want you to

1751
02:27:03.159 --> 02:27:09.040
achieve five percent of vehicles electric by
two thousand, which is completely arbitrary.

1752
02:27:09.159 --> 02:27:13.879
So that's the market. Actually,
it does a better job sometimes of meeting

1753
02:27:13.959 --> 02:27:18.200
the politician's own goals than they do. Oh, it absolutely does. Yeah,

1754
02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:20.920
And so we got this constant struggle
back and forth. As you point

1755
02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:24.159
out, they didn't like the hybrids, but the market did, and so

1756
02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:28.479
it kind of forced them to acknowledge
it. They keep pushing the battery evs

1757
02:27:28.559 --> 02:27:31.120
and yet the market doesn't like it, and so we can't afford it and

1758
02:27:31.159 --> 02:27:33.479
all this other and so now you
got the companies are starting to pull back

1759
02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:37.719
and starting to look for other alternatives, and yet you still have these politicians

1760
02:27:37.760 --> 02:27:39.719
that are going out there in many
places saying well, we've got to have

1761
02:27:39.760 --> 02:27:43.799
absolutely zero missions, so that excludes
the hybrid. So there's constantly this back

1762
02:27:43.840 --> 02:27:48.799
and forth between what people want and
what the government demands. I think,

1763
02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:52.000
ultimately, especially when it starts to
come to you know, things like what

1764
02:27:52.079 --> 02:27:56.040
you drive, how you heat your
house, what you eat, and all

1765
02:27:56.079 --> 02:28:01.600
the rest of these things, they
have become so addictive to power I think

1766
02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:03.440
it is going to blow back on
them significantly. We're starting to see that

1767
02:28:03.440 --> 02:28:07.079
in many different ways with the cars, with other things like that. I

1768
02:28:07.079 --> 02:28:11.239
think that's going to continue. People
are going to start voting in the marketplace.

1769
02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:16.000
That is one of the best places
to vote because they have the least

1770
02:28:16.040 --> 02:28:20.600
amount of control over that. They
still have control over that. They can

1771
02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:24.399
control what's on the ballot in many
cases by outright banning it. But still

1772
02:28:24.319 --> 02:28:28.159
that is a place where we get
to vote frequently in the marketplace in terms

1773
02:28:28.159 --> 02:28:33.000
of what we buy outside of bans. And once they go to that banning,

1774
02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:37.159
that kind of pulls the curtain back
and we get to see exactly where

1775
02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:39.399
these people are coming from. I
think, well, that's right. And

1776
02:28:39.399 --> 02:28:43.000
the other thing that's great about markets
and technology is you don't have to think

1777
02:28:43.079 --> 02:28:46.760
climate change is an existential crisis.
You don't have to be worried necessarily about

1778
02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:50.440
drought or anything like that. But
if you can find a way to spend

1779
02:28:50.600 --> 02:28:54.200
less on energy, if you can
spind and find a way to spend on

1780
02:28:54.319 --> 02:28:58.680
water, you're going to benefit.
And markets encourage people to do more with

1781
02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:05.399
less, whatever they may believe about
individual environmental issues, and that I think

1782
02:29:05.479 --> 02:29:09.079
is the real power when you force
people to do things and oppose a one

1783
02:29:09.120 --> 02:29:13.360
size fits all it's all cost and
you know, as in the case of

1784
02:29:13.399 --> 02:29:16.399
you know, the Portland ex mean
an energy fund into many other things,

1785
02:29:16.760 --> 02:29:20.920
you pay this very high cost,
but then they do a bait and switch

1786
02:29:20.959 --> 02:29:24.000
and they don't actually use they for
they what they claim. So I think

1787
02:29:24.040 --> 02:29:30.520
that's the real opportunity that we have. I grew up, you know,

1788
02:29:30.680 --> 02:29:35.000
being on the center right because I
care about individual choice, individual liberty,

1789
02:29:35.000 --> 02:29:41.680
and that I think is people perceive
that people perceive prosperity and liberty as being

1790
02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:46.840
in odds with environmental policy. But
that's only because we, as people on

1791
02:29:46.879 --> 02:29:50.440
the center right, have allowed the
left to define what environmentalism means. And

1792
02:29:50.479 --> 02:29:54.520
we need to stop doing that.
And I think, you know, as

1793
02:29:54.600 --> 02:29:58.639
much as I am frustrated with the
environmental left and I point out their flaws,

1794
02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:03.239
I think the conservatives have hurt ourselves
by making it sound like we don't

1795
02:30:03.280 --> 02:30:07.559
care about the environment and seeing this
issue to the left, and we need

1796
02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.879
to really stop doing that. I
agree, Yeah, we got to take

1797
02:30:09.879 --> 02:30:13.200
the high ground, and it matters
how we make the argument, and it

1798
02:30:13.239 --> 02:30:16.000
matters what the labels are out there
as well. I like the tagline for

1799
02:30:16.040 --> 02:30:22.879
the Washington Policy Center improving lives through
Market Solutions, and so, you know,

1800
02:30:22.920 --> 02:30:24.360
we don't need to we don't need
to run from that, and we

1801
02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:31.399
need to fight against this idea that
freedom and markets are anesthetical to a clean

1802
02:30:31.520 --> 02:30:35.479
environment. They're actually much, as
you point out, a much better solution

1803
02:30:35.920 --> 02:30:39.520
and a much better way to get
there, a much more efficient way to

1804
02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:43.920
get there, and to do it
without breaking arms and beating heads. You

1805
02:30:43.959 --> 02:30:50.920
know, people, you just use
the collective understanding of individuals who really all

1806
02:30:50.959 --> 02:30:54.159
want that, and so they're going
to be more inclined to choose that.

1807
02:30:54.600 --> 02:30:58.360
But it's really kind of the collective
judgment of the people who are there on

1808
02:30:58.360 --> 02:31:01.719
the ground. As you point out
in your book Time to Think Small,

1809
02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:09.280
it's their collective observations and judgment that
really are important, and they actually work

1810
02:31:09.360 --> 02:31:11.479
better. I think then, as
we've seen over and over again, you

1811
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can have the smartest person in the
world and a highly centralized and control environment,

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02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:20.360
they're not going to make as good
a decisions as a large group of

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02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:26.319
people who have actually more information because
there's more of them and they're making that

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02:31:26.360 --> 02:31:30.120
collective decision. I think that's the
power of the marketplace, don't you,

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02:31:31.079 --> 02:31:33.639
And they pay the price for failure
and they're accountable. You could have the

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02:31:33.680 --> 02:31:39.000
best plan in the world, but
if something goes wrong, you need to

1817
02:31:39.040 --> 02:31:41.440
have the incentive to change. You
need to have the incentive to say,

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02:31:41.479 --> 02:31:45.520
Okay, that didn't work, let's
try something else. And if you're in

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02:31:45.639 --> 02:31:48.040
Washington, d C. And the
problem you're trying to solve is in Oregon

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02:31:48.120 --> 02:31:52.959
or California or anywhere else, when
things go wrong, you aren't going to

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02:31:54.000 --> 02:31:56.879
want to admit that you were wrong. And that just and that's a big

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02:31:56.959 --> 02:32:03.360
reason why we see left wing our
mental policies failing. There's a wonderful group

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02:32:03.360 --> 02:32:07.239
in Montana called perk PERC. There's
a free market environmental organization. This is

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02:32:07.280 --> 02:32:13.200
the fiftieth anniversary of the Endangered Species
Act. They've put out a really fantastic

1825
02:32:13.280 --> 02:32:20.479
report noting that the Endangered Species Act
has done fine in terms of stopping animals

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02:32:20.479 --> 02:32:26.120
from going extinct, but it is
horrible at recovering species. Basically that species

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02:32:26.159 --> 02:32:30.040
go on the endangered species list and
they never come off, and so how

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02:32:30.079 --> 02:32:33.559
do you turn that into solutions?
But again, when you talk to people

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02:32:33.600 --> 02:32:37.440
on the left, they say the
Endangered Species Act is a success, and

1830
02:32:37.479 --> 02:32:41.159
it is success in one way,
but not in the way that they claimed,

1831
02:32:41.159 --> 02:32:46.479
which is is that it would cause
species to recover. And yet nobody

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02:32:46.479 --> 02:32:50.760
wants to address how it is that
we can work with private landowners where most

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02:32:50.760 --> 02:32:54.280
of the habitat is to recover species. Private and landowners are seen as the

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02:32:54.440 --> 02:33:00.040
enemy. And that's why the ESA
is failing, is because the people that

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02:32:58.879 --> 02:33:03.840
you need to be working with it
treats its enemies. Yeah, that's right,

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and the federal government has an incentive
to fail. As you point out,

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02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:09.639
they're not going to apologize. They're
never going to say they have a

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02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:13.239
failure except to say, well this
failed, and we need more people and

1839
02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:16.799
we need more money, and so
crank up the money making machine. There.

1840
02:33:18.120 --> 02:33:22.079
It's some more paper, you know, that's it. They take every

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02:33:22.120 --> 02:33:26.920
failure as an incentive to grow and
to continue to do the same thing that

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02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:30.079
they were doing. They never change
what they're doing at all. They never

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02:33:30.159 --> 02:33:33.159
pay a price for it. There
is it's like an open loop system.

1844
02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:37.440
And you know, because the money
printing machine is just it's completely open and

1845
02:33:37.479 --> 02:33:41.680
it's running at full gear and so
they don't need any feedback they don't need

1846
02:33:41.719 --> 02:33:46.200
to produce any results, and it
works to their advantage because they have to

1847
02:33:46.280 --> 02:33:50.760
argue for more money and more head
count because that's that's what's needed. Never

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02:33:50.799 --> 02:33:54.280
going to change the approach that they
have. And I think the thing you're

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02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:56.920
pointing to is that the incentives are
perverse, right. The incentive are to

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02:33:56.959 --> 02:34:01.280
protect the organization, to expand the
organization. And I think that one of

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02:34:01.760 --> 02:34:05.760
the most dramatic examples of that is
the Flint water crisis. So Flint,

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02:34:05.840 --> 02:34:11.600
Michigan, had this water that what
they switched sources of water and so it

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02:34:11.680 --> 02:34:15.399
corroded the pipes and there was lead
in the water. And for a while,

1854
02:34:15.479 --> 02:34:18.559
government, both at the state and
federal level, denied there was even

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02:34:18.600 --> 02:34:24.399
any problem. And then finally when
residents were showing them water that had led

1856
02:34:24.440 --> 02:34:28.360
and that had rust in it,
they you know, actually had to They

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02:34:28.479 --> 02:34:31.879
realized. The EPA's like, okay, but we've got to do something.

1858
02:34:31.239 --> 02:34:35.479
And there was a discussion in the
regional EPA office about using a fund of

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02:34:35.520 --> 02:34:39.760
money to buy water filters for the
community. The fund wasn't supposed to really

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02:34:39.799 --> 02:34:43.719
do that, but they could sort
of justify, so they sort they looked

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02:34:43.719 --> 02:34:46.920
at it and they said, okay, should we do this, and ultimately

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02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:50.879
they decided against it. And one
of the people in the regional EPA office

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02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:54.440
said, we could do this and
this is a quote, but I'm not

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02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:58.000
sure Flint is the kind of community
we want to go out on a limb

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02:34:58.040 --> 02:35:03.440
for. Wow. When you think
that the EPA and other folks in government

1866
02:35:03.479 --> 02:35:07.719
are looking out for your best interests, they all remember that they also have

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02:35:07.920 --> 02:35:13.639
incentives to take care of the organization, not to create trouble, not to

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02:35:13.719 --> 02:35:18.040
bend the rules, even if they
know that it would be good for people

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02:35:18.079 --> 02:35:22.440
on the ground. And at the
end of the day, the people in

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02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:26.079
Flint, Michigan did more for themselves
than the EPA, who was supposed to

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02:35:26.079 --> 02:35:30.200
be the one looking out for them. Yes, that's right. And when

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you look at it, I mean
you think about the water in Flint,

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02:35:31.520 --> 02:35:35.879
Michigan, the fact they didn't want
to buy water filters for them, and

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02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:37.639
the fact that a lot of people
are buying water filters because they're concerned about

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02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:41.479
what the EPA is encouraging people to
put in the water. We got a

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02:35:41.520 --> 02:35:43.760
trial that's going on about floride,
and part of that trial is the fact

1877
02:35:45.159 --> 02:35:54.680
that you have Rachel Levine. I
call him Dick Divine. He was shutting

1878
02:35:54.760 --> 02:36:00.719
down information from EPA scientists that was
derogatory to using fluoride. And how do

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02:36:00.760 --> 02:36:03.680
you you know when you put this
kind of stuff out there, you know,

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02:36:03.719 --> 02:36:07.280
what is the purpose of mass medicating
the public through the water supply in

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02:36:07.319 --> 02:36:11.200
the first place. But you've got
EPA scientists who have an issue with that,

1882
02:36:11.239 --> 02:36:18.399
they have counter research to doing this, and the political figures shut it

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02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:20.920
down just like they did, you
know, in Flint, Michigan. So

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yeah, they work anesthetical to what
we really think of their mission is,

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02:36:24.920 --> 02:36:28.600
and we've seen that with so many
different agencies. It's great work that you're

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doing there at the Washington Policy Center. Again, you're the director of the

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02:36:33.879 --> 02:36:39.319
Center for the Environment at the Washington
Policy Center. And I would recommend everybody

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take a look at your book because
it sounds like you're spot on thinking small.

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02:36:43.479 --> 02:36:46.440
Time to Think Small and so that's
by Todd Myers. I guess people

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can find that on Amazon, right, yep, it's on Amazon, And

1891
02:36:50.639 --> 02:36:54.399
if they want to follow me on
Twitter, I'm an at WA policy green.

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02:36:54.479 --> 02:36:56.959
I talk a lot about Washington state
politics, but as you noted,

1893
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a lot of things that start here
don't stay here, they go out elsewhere.

1894
02:37:01.399 --> 02:37:05.799
And so yes, unfortunately Washington and
California are not like Las Vegas,

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02:37:05.879 --> 02:37:11.559
so there does not stay there,
it goes. It's rapidly copied everywhere else.

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They're kind of like the shock troops, you know, for a lot

1897
02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:18.200
of radical ideas, and so it
is important to fight that. But that

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02:37:18.280 --> 02:37:22.799
truly is amazing the way they are
going to bribe the voters after they have

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02:37:22.879 --> 02:37:26.959
seen this massive tax, to bribe
them to keep it on. Just give

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them a one time payment and they'll
keep it on. Thank you so much

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for joining us again, Todd Myers, director of the Center for the Environment

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02:37:33.639 --> 02:37:35.680
at Washington Policy Center. Thank you
so much, Todd, appreciate it.

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That's a very fun conversation. Thank
you. We're going to take a quick

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break, folks, and we will
be right back. Stay with us analyzing

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02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:28.559
were talking that they were not the
California thing. I think it was California.

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Then you say, this is not
about really doing anything about our so

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02:39:33.360 --> 02:39:37.319
called environmental problem. This is about
racial justice. And of course it's not

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just limited to them. I know
we saw this last week. You had

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Admiral Rachel and I love the way
that they put that in. Quotes Rachel

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and quotes Richard Dick Levine. Whatever, climate change is having a disproportionate effect

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on Black communities. Hello, I'm
Admiral Rachel Leaviin this Black History Month,

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I'm pleased to partner with OMH and
advancing Let me fix that for you.

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Somebody else dead. They put the
laugh track on it, Rachel Levine,

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this Black History Month, I'm pleased
to partner with OMH and advancing Better health

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through better understanding for Black communities.
Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on

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02:40:18.360 --> 02:40:24.200
the physical and mental health of black
communities. Black Americans are more likely than

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02:40:24.239 --> 02:40:30.000
white Americans to live in areas in
housing that increase their susceptibility to climate related

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02:40:30.040 --> 02:40:33.159
health issues. Yeah, you know, like Flint, Michigan, where they

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02:40:33.200 --> 02:40:35.920
don't want to do anything about it. As he was pointing out, one

1924
02:40:35.959 --> 02:40:39.399
person commented on that. So a
white man pretending to be a woman is

1925
02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:43.280
the savior of black people. Okay, I've got it. Yeah, that's

1926
02:40:43.280 --> 02:40:52.319
what they want you to believe.
Well, scientists are proposing using viruses to

1927
02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:56.079
fight climate change. Isn't that interesting. We have the merger of the pandemic

1928
02:40:56.360 --> 02:41:03.040
mcguffin and the climate mcguffin and all
together there, ocean water and Arctic ice

1929
02:41:03.120 --> 02:41:09.879
may contain viruses that can help to
trap carbon emissions, and scientists are figuring

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02:41:09.920 --> 02:41:13.440
out ways to enhance this. I
thought that we were the virus. I

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02:41:13.440 --> 02:41:15.959
thought humans were the virus. According
to the Gaya theory, right, We've

1932
02:41:15.959 --> 02:41:20.040
got mother Earth, this Greek mythology, you know, Gaya, the mother

1933
02:41:20.120 --> 02:41:26.520
Earth, and it's sentient, and
it's just this wonderful freak of chance that

1934
02:41:26.639 --> 02:41:28.799
is here. You know, it
wasn't created by God. We're not here

1935
02:41:28.799 --> 02:41:33.239
as stewards to take care of it. No, it's just this wonderful thing

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02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:37.600
that just happened. And then humans
happened and they're destroying everything. We're a

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02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:41.719
virus, so we've got to have
depopulation. Scientists have begun trying to identify

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02:41:41.799 --> 02:41:48.040
viruses that could help mitigate the worst
effects of climate change, some by trapping

1939
02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:52.280
carbon and seawater, others by stopping
methane from leaking out a melting perma frost

1940
02:41:54.360 --> 02:41:58.799
bury those trees as well. Maybe
they could find some kind of you know,

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02:42:00.239 --> 02:42:03.319
an organism that could eat the trees. How about that. That'd be

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02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:07.600
a great idea. Then we wouldn't
lose all that carbon dioxide when they die

1943
02:42:07.639 --> 02:42:11.920
and decompose. Let's let that loose. Based on research from twenty sixteen,

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02:42:11.920 --> 02:42:16.559
found viruses facilitating the ocean's carbon sinking
effect. Whit a minute, The ocean

1945
02:42:18.399 --> 02:42:22.639
is a carbon sink. Huh,
Well, there's awful lot of water out

1946
02:42:22.680 --> 02:42:28.959
there, isn't there all off a
lot of ocean out there. Maybe that's

1947
02:42:28.000 --> 02:42:31.200
one of the reasons why we don't
have to worry about CO Two. They're

1948
02:42:31.200 --> 02:42:37.280
now using AI modeling and genome sequencing. Well, there you go. They're

1949
02:42:37.399 --> 02:42:41.879
models and their artificial intelligence models,
so of course you can believe anything that

1950
02:42:43.159 --> 02:42:50.079
they spits out on that printout,
garbage in, garbage out. So the

1951
02:42:50.120 --> 02:42:54.760
oceans soak up carbon and that buffers
us against climate change. Good. Then

1952
02:42:54.799 --> 02:42:58.319
we don't have to do anything else
because most of this planet is ocean.

1953
02:42:58.760 --> 02:43:03.159
Meanwhile, as I like at California. California and Sweden are inking a deal

1954
02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:09.959
on climate collaboration, and of course
two of the most socialist areas are coming

1955
02:43:09.959 --> 02:43:13.920
together because it's not about climate collaboration, it's about socialist collaboration, because that's

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02:43:13.920 --> 02:43:20.719
what this truly is about. Newsome
Governor Nuisance said, California is not a

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02:43:20.760 --> 02:43:28.920
small isolated state. It's a size
of twenty one state populations combined. So

1958
02:43:28.079 --> 02:43:33.159
we have to have a global outlook, and I need to go to all

1959
02:43:33.200 --> 02:43:35.879
these globalist meetings and we need to
conspire about what we're going to do.

1960
02:43:35.959 --> 02:43:41.120
As a matter of fact, there
is a secret partnership that is fueling climate

1961
02:43:41.440 --> 02:43:48.360
journalism, and this is reported by
Real Clear Wire. Wealthy liberal foundations have

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02:43:48.399 --> 02:43:50.840
begun seeking to have influence on the
media coverage of energy and environmental matters.

1963
02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:56.760
That's nothing new. The funding workshops, courses, seminars for journalists faceed on

1964
02:43:56.760 --> 02:43:58.319
that. You know. Back in
twenty sixteen, I went to the American

1965
02:43:58.319 --> 02:44:03.120
Meteorological Associations meeting in Austin, and
as I've talked about this in the past,

1966
02:44:03.120 --> 02:44:07.360
I said, Yah, everybody's there. They've all got their climate models,

1967
02:44:07.760 --> 02:44:11.120
hundreds and hundreds of climate models,
and it was like a science fair,

1968
02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:15.120
you know. They all had booths
out on the big floor. Some

1969
02:44:15.239 --> 02:44:20.399
of them that had some more promising
results, they had a room that they

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02:44:20.399 --> 02:44:24.399
would get to present. Of course, they were also out on the floor,

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02:44:24.639 --> 02:44:31.000
but they would also be able to
present their experiments and their findings in

1972
02:44:31.079 --> 02:44:35.239
a kind of a room that had
an audience there. And I went to

1973
02:44:35.280 --> 02:44:39.440
several of those and they were all
talking about, well, we got this

1974
02:44:39.559 --> 02:44:41.399
right, but then this doesn't work. And so for that's the way you

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02:44:41.479 --> 02:44:45.639
do science, right. You have
a hypothesis and you have a model,

1976
02:44:45.680 --> 02:44:48.440
and then you check that model to
see if it works. Well, that

1977
02:44:48.520 --> 02:44:52.319
can't be done with the so called
climate stuff because it's decades up. And

1978
02:44:52.760 --> 02:44:58.559
at that meeting in twenty sixteen,
so that was eight years ago, they

1979
02:44:58.600 --> 02:45:03.280
had one booth that was put up
by a organization that was funded by George

1980
02:45:03.280 --> 02:45:09.040
Soros. And what they were doing
was they were lecturing because a lot of

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02:45:09.040 --> 02:45:11.879
the people at the American Meteorological Association
were TV meteorologists, and they said,

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02:45:11.879 --> 02:45:18.280
well, we found that people believe
whether meteorologists are telling them, so you

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02:45:18.440 --> 02:45:20.360
need to tell them that you believe
in climate change. And so they were

1984
02:45:20.399 --> 02:45:28.559
evangelizing these people to become doom and
gloom climate evangelists, and so this has

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02:45:28.600 --> 02:45:31.040
been going on for quite some time. But of course, in this particular

1986
02:45:31.040 --> 02:45:37.120
analysis and the funding initiatives are looking
at a lot of left of center entities

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02:45:37.159 --> 02:45:41.000
funding the training for climate journalists,
not meteorologists now, but the journalists,

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02:45:41.079 --> 02:45:46.520
as if they needed to have any
more encouragement to do that. At Columbia,

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02:45:46.799 --> 02:45:50.479
at Harvard, at the University of
Southern California, at Oxford University in

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02:45:50.479 --> 02:45:56.840
the UK. That is what we're
seeing. The organization is called Covering Climate

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02:45:56.120 --> 02:46:01.280
Now. More than five hundred news
and meeting outlets were desperate for money,

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02:46:01.280 --> 02:46:03.840
by the way, so that's one
of the reasons that they're doing this.

1993
02:46:03.920 --> 02:46:07.479
I would not be surprised at all
to see if this was being funded by

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02:46:07.760 --> 02:46:11.719
Soros. I didn't have time to
look at it. This story about opposition

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02:46:11.360 --> 02:46:16.760
to renewable energy in America's heartland was
done by ABC in full collaboration with Covering

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02:46:18.000 --> 02:46:26.120
Climate Now. It effectively blames Trump
as the fourth of debate. This is

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02:46:26.200 --> 02:46:31.319
POPULARI, as I said, by
Donald Trump and others about how renewable energy

1998
02:46:31.399 --> 02:46:37.760
is unreliable and dangerous. Well,
I've been talking about that since two thousand

1999
02:46:37.799 --> 02:46:39.399
and nine, and we saw what
happened in terms of reliability. You want

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02:46:39.440 --> 02:46:45.399
to talk about that Texas in twenty
twenty one January. That's been proven to

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02:46:45.399 --> 02:46:48.959
be true. We knew it was
true and it was going to be true.

2002
02:46:48.959 --> 02:46:50.520
It's now been proven. But of
course that wants to be dismissed as

2003
02:46:50.760 --> 02:47:01.079
fake news, as a climate scare. Well, it certainly is war on

2004
02:47:01.440 --> 02:47:03.600
energy, a war on your lifestyle. And we know what the purpose of

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02:47:03.639 --> 02:47:09.239
it is the purpose of all of
these mcguffins is to impoverish us, to

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02:47:09.360 --> 02:47:15.239
enslave us. Climate models are getting
the water vapor wildly wrong. And again

2007
02:47:16.239 --> 02:47:20.319
the amount of water vapor that is
there literally drowns out the CO two very

2008
02:47:20.319 --> 02:47:26.120
small trace amount of CO two.
And as they say, water vapor is

2009
02:47:26.159 --> 02:47:31.440
the most significant greenhouse gas due to
alleged feedback capacity. However, it has

2010
02:47:31.520 --> 02:47:39.799
a self regulating aspect to it also
becomes a sink for what they're concerned about

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02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:46.840
with carbon dioxide. It's almost as
if it was designed by a creator or

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something, you know. They say. Per the state of the art climate

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models, however, relative humidity should
decline slightly as a consequence of CO two

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induced global warming. However, forty
years of observation show not a slight declining

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trend, but a declining trend that
is about an order of magnitude more than

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what the models predict. In other
words, the climate models are wrong by

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a factor of ten. See,
if you're doing real science, you have

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to look at your model. Like
I said about the people of American Meteorological

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Society, they look at their model
prediction and how did it do in terms

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of predicting the weather a day in
advance, two days in advance, three

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days in advance. These people are
predicting massive climate change decades out. The

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problem for them is that we've now
had decades to look at their predictions and

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understand just how wrong and off kilter
they are. We're going to take a

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quick break, and I do want
to come back and talk about what I

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was about to do before we had
our guests join us, So I want

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to leave time for that, So
we'll be back after a real brief break.

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Here, stay with us. Using
free speech to free minds, it's

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All right. Just before our guest
came on and I began to talk about

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a guy who's a classical Christian educator. He said, one of the things

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he tries to stress with his students
is the understanding of civic virtue, which

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has been a foundation of Western civilization. It's an excellent editorial by Lucas Vieira,

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and he said, he begins he
always will talk to his students about

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this quote from George Washington, who
said, of all the dispositions and habits

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which lead to political prosperity, religion
and morality are indispensable supports in vain.

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Would that man claim the tribute of
patriotism? Who should labor to subvert these

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great pillars of human happiness, these
firmest props of the duties of men and

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citizens. And as other founder said, we have a system of government that

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cannot survive without a moral society.
Even Augustine of Hippo, the North African

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bishop fourth century, as he was
talking about his big work, The City

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of God, that he contrasted with
the City of Man, and one of

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the reasons that he was putting this
together was because you had a lot of

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people that declined of the Roman Empire
were saying, well, it was it

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this Christianity that destroyed the Roman Empire, and so he was pushing back against

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that idea. As this author says, Augustine not only addresses questions concerning systematic

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theology, but also the role of
the Christian while living as an exile pilgrim

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in this earthly existence, which directly
connects to the questions regarding politics. Augustine's

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general conception of virtue is one of
here's the key rightly ordered loves, rightly

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ordered loves. So what sort of
rightly ordered loves should citizens and magistrates possess

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for the sake of the community.
What virtues allow for the flourishing of a

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civil society? What about members of
the eternal city of God? Allows them

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to be beneficial for the temporary cities
of men? That's the key difference,

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right it were citizens of an eternal
city of God, whereas we live now

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in the city of men. And
so he says, however, those of

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us who are citizens of the city
of God can do things that benefit people,

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even if they are simply the city
of Man. And I would say

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one of the things he doesn't mention
in this essay. But I think one

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of the things is really really clear
is in fact Augustine was the one who

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first formulated the ideas about a just
war. You know, when is war

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justified, and of course only in
defense, you do it to try to

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minimize civilian casualties, you do it
with a desire to cease hostilities. All

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of these different things that are there
that are reflected in our constitution where we're

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supposed to have a vote by our
elected representatives before we have a declaration of

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war. But now that's done by
the present and the military industrial complex will

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send out weapons of destruction without any
input or discussion from us, and they

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take our taxes to do that,
but certainly from the person who's operating from

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the position of the City of God
and is concerned about whether or not a

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war is justified. That is going
to to be of benefit to everyone in

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society if you don't have these unjustified
constant wars. So Augustine believes that the

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virtues of Christian citizens and magistrates directly
benefit the temporal political society, particularly because

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they're oriented toward the eternal, lasting
City and due to the fact that only

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the members of the City of God
have a rightly ordered love that has needed

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to bring about a truly flourishing and
peaceful community. We have these wars because

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we have men who do not have
rightly ordered loves. They don't love life,

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they don't love liberty, They love
money, they love power, and

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they will kill in order to get
money and power, and they don't care

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who dies, whose lives they use
to achieve that goal, he said.

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Augustine speaks of the two cities,
and he says, and speaking of them,

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he said, the city of Man
is temporal. It's full of those

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whose loves disordered. Because of this, happiness and peace cannot be found in

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the city of Man, only in
the city of God. His ruler is

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the Lord, he said. In
terms of talking about Rome's corruption, see

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if this doesn't apply to us today. The Roman commonwealth, which altering little

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by little, gradually moving away from
the fairest and from the best, became

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the worst and the most shameful.
The morals of the forefathers were swept away,

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not by slow degrees, as formerly, but as if by a torrent.

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So great were the young persons corrupted
by luxury and avarice, greed,

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you will so it began by a
slow, little by little altering. Right,

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how do you go morally bankrupt?
Gradually then suddenly like a torrent?

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And he traced it to the younger
generation's obsession with luxury and with greed.

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You see, human nature does not
change thousands of years ago. Human nature

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does not change. The things that
we lust after. Those do change,

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but not the basic things. He
goes on to say that Rome's gods required

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their worshippers those in decent and ignoble
displays, to which they lent a pernicious

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authority by their pretended divinity. He
said, Rome's gods encouraged vice as opposed

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to virtue. We were talking about
that as well. You know, we

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look at the foundations of our society
and that woman from Politico, who you

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know, hates anything that refers back
to Christianity, anything that involves men or

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Christianity. We look at the statues, some of them comically crude. Others

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that have spent a lot, have
been given a lot of money to create

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like that, you know woman with
the horns and the treelike limbs and the

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roots of arms and legs. These
are the things that we are now pushing

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out there as as they built that
society that statue to honor abortion. Augustine

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says that the city of Man led
to his own downfall, as it could

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not cultivate the virtues needed for its
maintenance. What kind of virtues do you

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need to maintain a society? Well, you need to reward merit and hard

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work and other things like that,
he says. If the kings of the

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earth, and all the nations,
princes, and all the judgments of the

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earth, young men and maidens,
old men and children, the people of

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every agent, each sex, if
this whom John the Baptist spoke, even

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the taxgathers and the soldiers, if
all of these together were to hear and

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to embrace the Christian precepts of justice
and moral virtue, then the commonwealth would

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adorn its lands and its happiness in
this present life, and then ascend to

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the summit of eternal life. We'd
be bitter off in this life, as

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we have seen in the past,
our society was. Citing Cicero's Republic,

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he lists a variety of civic virtues
that lead to the fourishing of one's hometown.

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He said, please think about them. Notice how they proclaim as praiseworthy,

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simplicity, and restraint, along with
faithfulness to marriage, and behavior that

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is chaste and honorable and upright.
When a city is strong and virtues such

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as these, then it can truly
be said to be flourishing. So things

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like restraint, marital faithfulness, modest
behavior, moral uprightness, these are civic

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virtues. Do you see any of
those in Donald Trump? Because I don't.

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Why do we think that we're going
to have a virtuous society if we

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put somebody who is antithetical to every
one of these Christian virtues, and we

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worship him, and we call him
a good Christian man by whose standard,

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by whose standard he doesn't even pretend
to embrace these values? Gustin said,

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the fact through such behavior being taught
and learned in churches that are springing up

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all over the globe like sacred lecture
halls, sacred lecture halls where these values

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are. But well, we were
told we couldn't go to those, or

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we had to wear a mask,
or we had to keep ourselves separate churches

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all over the globe like sacred lecture
halls. For the peoples of the world.

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Above all, they learn of the
reverence that consists of worshiping the True

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and truthful God. All these virtues
which educate the human spirit and are and

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fit it for fellowship with God and
for living in the eternal city of Heaven.

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He not only commands us to seek, but he also enables us to

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acquire. We should not give up
our hope. You know, I keep

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looking at this story about this guy
who you know self emulated to protest the

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war and Israel did it in front
of the Israeli embassy. That is not

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the path to change, no matter
what the issue is. We don't want

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to just burn down society. We
don't want to just commit suicide. We

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are not people without hope. People
in the city of Man are without hope.

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We don't need people from the city
of Man to rule us. There

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don't have the power for change.
And that's what Augustine was saying. Augustine

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who stood against unjust wars, Augustine
who wrote and convinced people. Augustine did

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not set himself on fire. He
set the world on fire. Thank you

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for joining us. Let me tell
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In fact, if you can hear
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