WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:07.160 And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:14.599 done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one 3 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:22.199 of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head 4 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.559 lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:32.520 I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb 6 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.960 of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. 7 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:46.399 And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, 8 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:52.560 what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, 9 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.880 peeking around it and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose 10 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.520 and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, 11 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:07.920 it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoiltals. I'm your host Brandon Wright. 12 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.200 Night's episode. We're going to be joined by Carrie. Carrie is a 13 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:18.480 senior at ASU. She's majoring in mass communication and journalism. She's working on 14 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:23.959 a project that involved the cover up of UFOs throughout the presidencies. She reached 15 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.799 out to me because she needed to talk to someone for part of her thesis, 16 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.640 and I said I would try and help her out the best I can 17 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.719 so. Tonight's episode is going to be a little bit about what she's been 18 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.640 researching and a little bit about Skinwalker Ranch. 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I hope our conversation helps her with their 52 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.400 grades, and I hope you guys enjoy the conversation. So sit back, 53 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:10.280 relax, and enjoy the show. Like thanks, time to welcome my guest 54 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.080 tonight, Carrie. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Hi. 55 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:16.279 Thank you. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing pretty good. 56 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.959 It's getting pretty laid out here, but you know, hanging in there. 57 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:27.279 This is my usual recording time. I have four children who are still upstairs 58 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.240 a week so they're usually in bed at this point, but they're still up 59 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.800 there beating around. So that's why I knew the nine o'clock such a little 60 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.240 bit quieter here. Eventually I won't be in the house, it'll be out 61 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.560 in the hopefully a studio at some point. So I don't have to worry 62 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.040 about it. But right, well, here's to hoping my my thir children 63 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:51.199 don't disrupt us at any point in time. That happens around here too. 64 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:58.680 Sometimes it all will start barking at something. Why you barking? I'm sure 65 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.439 they saw a leaf blow or something. Probably, Well, would you like 66 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:08.279 to let the audience know a little bit about yourself? All right? I 67 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:14.839 am a student at ASU in the Walter Kronkite School of Fast Communication and Journalism. 68 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:21.240 I just got done doing my thesis projects that was about the cover up 69 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:30.639 and conspiracy through the presidential administrations, starting with Truman and the Roswell incidents. 70 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:35.839 I think it's really important to know that I am a true believer of the 71 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:44.000 non human and extraterrestrial phenomenon. I believe that in an ever expanding universe containing 72 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:50.120 countless of billions of planets among other ethical bodies, with scientific evidence pointing to 73 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:56.240 the potential of other life even on our own planet that we can't comprehend yet, 74 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:01.120 and with unexplainable phenomenon experienced by people well daily in the skies and the 75 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.240 oceans and even in their own backyard, I think it's kind of just a 76 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:12.800 little uninformed to not at least acknowledge the potential that humankind may not be the 77 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.800 only intelligent life to ever exist throughout the galaxy. I definitely believe there's something 78 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.439 out there, and I don't know if it's from space. I could be 79 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:27.959 on the complete wo side over here and say there's interdimensionals as well. I'm 80 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.360 on that wu wu side. It's all right, But I believe that there 81 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.600 are definitely other higher intelligent beings somewhere. I don't know if they're coming, 82 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.639 like I said, through the vibrations, coming through frequencies into our world, 83 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.439 if they're coming through trillions and billions of miles of space, which seems kind 84 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.360 of ridiculous when you think about it, But it's what if it's both of 85 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:54.800 those things. It could be a mixture of everything. Yeah, I think 86 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.759 it's all connected one way or the other. Though, Like even when it 87 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.959 comes to spiritual stuff and like even when you have cryptids and you have all 88 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.600 the weird stuff. I think it's somehow all interconnected. So I don't know, 89 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:09.639 absolutely agree with you on that. There's no way that it's not. 90 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.680 There's a lot of instances that go on, and there's a lot of similarities 91 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:15.600 to go on, and at the end of the day, there's too much 92 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.600 strange stuff going on to just say that it's all separate. I think somehow 93 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:24.800 they're all intertwined one way or the other. Some people say they're all demons. 94 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:30.040 I don't necessarily agree with that. A lot of people think they're higher 95 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:35.240 intelligent beings from a different wavelength. That's a possibility too. Like I said, 96 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:39.519 I don't know anything, so I'm not saying like one way or the 97 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.079 other. I just personally I have my opinion is I think it's somehow all 98 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:49.160 connected. I think that all of those things are each a small part of 99 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:54.959 one giant reality that none of us can comprehend at this point in time. 100 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:01.120 Yeah, that's when I start to think about things too much. I honestly 101 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.720 start to believe that we're all in like a simulation. And I don't want 102 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.600 to say it's like the matrix, but but it kind of feels a little 103 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:13.680 bit like that sometimes, you know. Yeah, especially when you dive into 104 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.240 a lot of these weird conspiracies, when you start to go into different topics 105 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.079 or whatever, it does seem like we're all literally living here and we have 106 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:28.079 no control over anything. And it's basically not we're programmed to be here, 107 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.559 and all the stuff that's coming in and out's from a different level that we 108 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.039 can't see. So it's like, if you look at Super Mario Brothers, 109 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.360 you're on level three of all these are up here on level four, right 110 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.519 right. You got to get through our level just to get to the next 111 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.440 level. But what is that next level? That's the higher intelligent beings that 112 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.879 we can't see all the time exactly, But like how do we get there? 113 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.720 Through the astral plane? And you leave your body, leave your consciousness 114 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.080 or whatever leaves your body, and then basically you're going traveling through what they 115 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.759 call the fabric of space and time. Again some people's inner monologue which I 116 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.279 found out recently, the people some don't have that, which I think is 117 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.840 kind of strange. But and people say your soul, your consciously, I 118 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:24.279 think it's all one of the same too. But that is what travels into 119 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.360 these other worlds or these other realms, other realities. So again, like 120 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.399 I said, when you think about it, it almost does seem very simulation 121 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.360 y. Going back to your maybe it's like different frequencies. What do you 122 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:46.159 think about the solar flares, the frequency of the solar flares messing with the 123 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:56.360 the geomagnets of the Earth, making these phenomenon more frequents and more visible. 124 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.320 I've never done a lot of recent search into it. I would assume that 125 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.039 if that is a possibility, that it would make sense. But to be 126 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.679 honest, I don't have an opinion one where that because I've never really looked 127 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:16.039 at it. But the thing that UH has always piqued my interests though, 128 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:22.679 has been you do find a lot of strange activity in areas of high energy, 129 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:30.480 and if you put it down I don't know what, I don't want 130 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:31.399 to say a map. Basically, if you put down a map and you 131 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.360 overlay it with like missing people, you over miss and you overlay that one 132 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.240 with like big Foot sidings, you overlay that with like UFO sidings, like 133 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.120 somehow, that's they're all almost in the same area. And a lot of 134 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:48.200 these areas they're all around cave systems, they're all around national parks right exactly, 135 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.559 and they're also the areas of very high energy. So it's like, 136 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.799 what's going on in these high energy areas. It's gets attracting all these strange 137 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.639 sightings and people just sup here. You see all sorts of weird stuff out 138 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.240 there. So clearly there's something going on in these areas. And then conveniently 139 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.759 we've made them national parks. They're off limits to people. You have to 140 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:13.879 go in there, and they have to know you're in there, you know 141 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.600 what I mean. Like, it's not just public to where you can always 142 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.360 be out there. They're always controlled by the government. Yeah. Absolutely. 143 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:31.960 But anyways, you mentioned with your thing for school about how you researched into 144 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.039 the cover ups for the UFOs. Is that something you want to dive into. 145 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.440 I'm sure my listener would like to hear that. Ah. Yeah. 146 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:46.720 So I did an entire a weekly blog about the cover up through the Truman 147 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:52.399 administration. I am going to be jumping into the Eisenhower posts of it next, 148 00:11:52.440 --> 00:12:01.399 which is kind of exciting. I dove into exactly what happened during Roswell 149 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:09.240 and why the official report changed as many times as it did. It's really 150 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:16.360 interesting to think about the fact that you can't just think about one event when 151 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.000 it comes to things like this, because it's not just about Roswell. When 152 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:28.120 you think about Roswell, you have to think about these special programs that came 153 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:33.320 out of it, like Project Sign that changed into Project Grudge that changed into 154 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.399 Project blue Book, you know, And when you go down the Project blue 155 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.200 Book rabbit hole, you end up looking at the Majestic twelve and the Mirage 156 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:52.000 Men and Richard Dodi and it's like, how is there still this same continuous 157 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:58.039 thread all the way from nineteen forty seven that just like doesn't seem to want 158 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:05.399 to go away. It stays completely unexplained. No matter how many things you 159 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.519 look at, no matter how many people will tell you that they have the 160 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:16.559 right answer, there's still more questions. It's just kind of crazy, even 161 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.480 all the way up to when David Grush did his whole thing last year. 162 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.960 Year before even he brought Roswell up into it, talking about how we still 163 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.879 don't understand it, and it's like, yeah, you're right, we still 164 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.519 don't understand it. But why, why this long later do we still not 165 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.559 have any kind of solid answers. No, there's been a lot of cover 166 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.120 ups from the originality of UFO's. One of my bricent episodes that just came 167 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:54.360 out was called The Truth about Flying Saucers, and basically the whole term had 168 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.039 been around for a long time, because that's what they used to call clee 169 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.919 pigeons. They were doing the shootings and everything as far as launching them in 170 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.360 the air shooting out. Then they call them flying saucers. Well, when 171 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.200 Kenneth Arnold at his sighting, he said, it's the way it was flying, 172 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.759 like a saucer would skip across the water. Well, that's how the 173 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:20.120 whole term got misconstrued in the flying saucers for the original So the original thing 174 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.080 wasn't even what he described. It's I've said it looked like a batwing, 175 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.639 like the Batman battering or whatever you want to call it. The way it 176 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.600 was shaped. Yeah, it was like crescent moon shaped. Yeah, And 177 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.480 the public blew up with the whole UFO phenomena and called them flying saucers. 178 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:45.120 Literally, everything UFO related became the standard discs shape UFO when in actuality, 179 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.919 that's not even what was originally described. It makes it really easy for them 180 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:58.360 to make a cover up. You know, when people are already hooked onto 181 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.120 a saw, they're like, yeah, you think it's a saucer, Let's 182 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.559 push that. Let's make sure that's what you think. Let's put that into 183 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.240 your head. Let's put that into the media so that that's what you believe 184 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.159 and then it's true. With out of sight, it's easy to control the 185 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:26.600 narrative basically exactly, and it's easy to and put false information let it breed, 186 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.480 and then basically you have these people who are out here talking about, 187 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.840 oh, I saw this, I saw this, I saw this, when 188 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.480 they're actually over here doing the real stuff and the stuff that they're saying they're 189 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.799 seeing, they're just saying, these people are crazy. They can write it 190 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.360 off, Oh there's no UFOs. They're not really lying at that point because 191 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.600 they're not talking about the stuff the military to actually do, and so they're 192 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.039 not denying their own doing. They're just saying, whatever these people are seeing 193 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.840 is not really UFOs because technically they're not flying saucers, you know what I 194 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.720 mean. So it's not like the government's in quote unquote lying in that rate. 195 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.279 Their cover up is that was already mistaken for misidentification and ran with it 196 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:10.000 as flying saucers. So when people say they saw flying saucers, when the 197 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.679 government's saying there's no flying saucers, they're not lying at that point because there 198 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:18.279 is no flying saucers exactly. It's kind of like, how again with Rush, 199 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:25.960 how carefully he chose his words during that congressional hearing. When he refused 200 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:32.159 to say alien, he refused to say extraterrestrial. He just continually kept repeating 201 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:42.679 non human intelligence because to say aliens, to say extraterrestrial is putting it outside 202 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:48.960 of Earth. That's where the whole And I forget what her name was, 203 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.639 but she was one of the Congress people that was involved in it too. 204 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.720 She'd mentioned interdimensional, which I thought was like, of all things to say, 205 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.399 is like interdimension has been a hot topic here in the life past few 206 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:07.599 years, special with podcasts and everyone jump on that bandwagon, and now Congress 207 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:12.880 mentioned interdimensional. So it's like, hmm, so funny how when you look 208 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.440 back at things after you learn truths, you look back and it's like, 209 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.240 wow, they really did kind of just put it in your face. Is 210 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:27.240 that what they do with Is that what they're doing when they bring interdimensional up 211 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:33.920 outside of that hearing for you know, months, years, and then randomly 212 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:41.920 they're like interdimensional. The funny thing is like dimensions have been around obviously, 213 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.720 I think ofs. Einstein or whatever. It's like his theories says there's different 214 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.039 dimensions mathematically, I don't know if they've ever proved that there are or aren't, 215 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:57.119 but mathematically there's formulas that say there's different dimensions. But showing my age 216 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:03.480 here the old into the Ninja Turtle's cartoon in comics or whatever, they had 217 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.640 dimension X, which would be the tenth dimension, and that's where all like 218 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.000 Ringing and the Predator and all those things came from, was dimension X. 219 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.279 So that was a different dimension. So that was back in the eighties, 220 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:21.079 So it's not anything new. It's just became popular all of a sudden to 221 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:27.400 throw interdimensional at everything to see what sticks to it. But maybe more people 222 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.960 are waking up to that fact. So that's why it's more accepted these days 223 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.279 because a lot of people think cryptids, which I tend to agree that way 224 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.119 too, Like they could be an interdimensional UFOs, they could be interdimensional aliens. 225 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:41.559 Maybe they're not from space or from like we talked about earlier, they're 226 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:52.160 interdimensional even ghost spirits whatever. What if they're just something there's something on a 227 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.359 different plane that we don't see and they just bleed into our world every now 228 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.680 and then, which again would be a different realm, a different dimension, 229 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.559 a different not the world, but like something we just can't see, we've 230 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.359 normally see in certain spectrums anyways, Right, So what if all the weird 231 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.359 stuff that people are seeing has actually always been around, we just can't see 232 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:18.000 what the naked eye? And again I go back to all of the solar 233 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:26.920 flares disrupting the frequency of the magnetosphere, changing literally changing the frequency at which 234 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:33.519 the Earth is living right now, making all of this stuff more visible more, 235 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:42.000 making us more aware of it its presence. Mm hm. Now what 236 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:47.839 about these cover ups that you kind of go into that you want to talk 237 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:52.000 about, because I know it's strange, like the roswell things started right after 238 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:57.839 World War Two, and without getting on Googles, I'm talking, so I 239 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:03.960 don't like doing that, but basic around that time frame is when Project paper 240 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.079 Clip was going on, which is when they brought over all of the Germans, 241 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.359 all the Nazi scientists, Yeah yeah, and paid them to be our 242 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:21.839 scientists and said, yeah they and then Warner von Braun or whatever his name 243 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:27.960 was, started NASA and all sorts of stuff obviously goes into that, but 244 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.960 what were they really doing? Because I'm trying to actually do an episode, 245 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.079 trying to find someone to talk to about what the Nazis were up to, 246 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.640 because they were looking for a lot of these lost technologies they were searching for 247 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.359 like the Ark of the Covenant and other things like other relics from ancient technologies 248 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:49.880 or whatever. But they also had some weird stuff that they were building, 249 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:56.039 like the Nazi Bell, which was supposedly an anti gravity device shaped by the 250 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.400 saucer. Yeah, it was almost the way they had it set up as 251 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.119 almost as in the shape of a bell, sort of like it was a 252 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.960 rounded type thing. And they did have flying discs too, they just never 253 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.279 managed to get them to work correctly supposedly. But if that's all the stuff 254 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:17.079 that they're screwed around with in the thirties and forties, who's to say what 255 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:18.880 really came from all that. If they have these scientists working for them now, 256 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.839 who's to say what really happened after that. So I never really went 257 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:30.440 down the project paper clip of it. I got more interested to the Nazis 258 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:38.680 and Antarctica aspect of after World War Two, and I'm pretty sure all of 259 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:47.759 that is very much conspiracy theory. I don't I want to believe in Hollow 260 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:55.000 Earth. I want to believe that Atlanteans are hiding up inside of Antarctica with 261 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.640 the Nazis because I think that it's a fun story, but I don't know 262 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.680 if I can hundred percent get on board with that one. I think that 263 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.119 one's just a fun story, but the project paper Clip of it, I 264 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:15.559 never really got into that one yet. There is a reason that no one 265 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.200 can go to Antarctica. Yes, I know, everything about Antarctica is so 266 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:26.400 weird, and like you have the reports of like the the medical people that 267 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.720 can't fly over a certain spot and have to like go all the way around, 268 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:36.240 and then the one guys that didn't it was a giant hole, and 269 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.880 you have the Admiral Bird of it all, and there is a lot of 270 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:48.480 stuff that says it depends on again if you people that are flat earthers think 271 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:56.359 that's where the the dome meets like the firmament. And I'm not really a 272 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:00.200 flat earther, But at the same time, like when you go to that 273 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.240 rabbit hole and you start to question things too, so I try not to 274 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.279 go down too many to worry, my wife gets real mad at me sometimes 275 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:15.119 because I end up down that flat earth rabbit hole. And like I know, 276 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:22.519 I understand science. I understand that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that 277 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.960 it's not possible. It's not possible for the Earth to be flat, just 278 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.759 like it's not possible for any of the other planets to be flat. But 279 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:40.039 like, is it just as possible for any of the planets to be flat 280 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.400 as it is for us to be living in a simulation? I don't know, 281 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:49.559 you know, sometimes it gets a little crazy in there. Yeah. 282 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:57.839 My biggest thing with flat Earth is when no matter where you're flying and people 283 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:03.480 have talked to pilots and everything, pilots won't admit to it now, but 284 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:04.880 like they do, and when they're not they claim that they don't ever see 285 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:11.359 a curvature if you're flying in space and you do the mathematics for that theoretically, 286 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.839 like if you can look across so many miles away, there's supposed to 287 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.359 be so much amount of curvature for it, and a lot of the times 288 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.440 you can still see things. Because I mentioned this on a previous episode. 289 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.680 If I'm up in Michigan City on the lake, like Michigan, I can 290 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.480 see Chicago over in the distance. But if you do the math, you 291 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.559 shouldn't see a lot of this stuff because of the curvature because you're still like 292 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.039 a good sixty something miles from there. So if you do the math of 293 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:40.400 how the curve would go, most of that wouldn't be visible, but it 294 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.200 still is. And they claim, well, it's because the light's reflecting through 295 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.680 the atmosphere and you're still seeing. I was like, that just sounds more 296 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.640 like bullshit to me. But that's just it doesn't make sense. And I'm 297 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:56.680 not saying it's wrong, but I'm just saying the explanations seem stupid to the 298 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.079 way, Like I'm not saying it's wrong, but like it just doesn't seem 299 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.880 right, you know what I mean, Yeah, I do. It just 300 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.440 seems a little off, like you're on to the right idea with it, 301 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:15.240 but there's just something that doesn't quite line up. The atmosphere and the light 302 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.720 and everything's reflecting and so basically it's going around a curve, so you're seeing 303 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:26.319 everything straight. But if you go around a corner or a bend or whatever 304 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.759 you're basically seeing, you're seeing around it like a corner, doesn't. That 305 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.440 doesn't make any sense to me, Like, I don't know, it makes 306 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:40.359 my brain hurt. That's why I try and stay away from the whole flatter 307 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:41.359 thing. But if you believe in flat ear, if you believe in the 308 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.319 fermat, you believe everything else, you may as well just say we're in 309 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.039 a simulation, because that's literally what it sounds like, right. But I 310 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.680 mean then you also have the whole like as above, so blow coming through 311 00:25:52.759 --> 00:26:02.279 in like every single theology, you know, I think the ancient Egyptians and 312 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.640 the pyramids, Like you've got the as above so below in there everywhere, 313 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:11.880 and it's still so like relevant in today's world. So like again with the 314 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:18.039 whole, the flat or the firmament, the I don't know, it's weirdness 315 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:26.119 and it's all very weird. Yeah, it's a whole lot of questions. 316 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.920 Like I said, the more you dive into things, more questions you have, 317 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.680 Like I started this to talk to people and look into things, and 318 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.079 might have more questions now than I ever. Did you know? That's literally 319 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.000 that was the end of my thesis. Defense was that it doesn't matter how 320 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:48.000 many questions or how many answers I get. Every single answer just comes with 321 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:56.960 an entire plethora of more questions, Like it's there is no answer. Your 322 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:02.240 answer is just more questions always, and no matter what you dive into or 323 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.559 what you look into. You're always gonna be laughed for the question. The 324 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.799 reason I do this podcast because I had a weird experience and I wanted to 325 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.799 try and see if I could figure out answers. Isn't it seventeen years later 326 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.960 and doing this podcast for two years now, I have more questions about stuff 327 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.759 than I ever did. Sounds about right. It was about a year and 328 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:26.920 a half of researching Roswell and I'm still just stumped. Yeah, Roswell, 329 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:33.039 to me, I don't quite understand the point of what that cover up what 330 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.799 really was, because why did they instantly go off and say they had a 331 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:42.039 flying saucer, which again, that was a term that was already being pressed 332 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:48.880 by the media over Kenneth Arnold, who literally never said it was a flying 333 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:55.240 saucer, And then the next day I think the Army retracts that statement. 334 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.599 How did the first statement even make it out? You know what I mean? 335 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:07.920 Like that photo of Justin Marcel's holding up the yeah yeah, So I 336 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:14.599 think that first statement managed to make its way out because someone jumped the gun. 337 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:23.400 Marcel talked to hot I believe who talked to Oh, I can't remember 338 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:29.240 the other guy's name, but like it was just like a game of telephone, 339 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.160 like one tells the other one tells the other one tells the other one. 340 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:37.519 But like there's also the whole thought that was that initial article that came 341 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.440 out, that initial announcement that came out a cover up in and of itself, 342 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:51.599 because like part of the conspiracy goes that Roswell wasn't the actual crash. 343 00:28:52.240 --> 00:29:02.920 That Roswell was like planted there for braswels of fines specifically to pull away interest 344 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.440 from an actual crash that had happened a couple of miles away that was heavily 345 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:17.559 guarded and heavily like hmm, I can't think of a word, but it 346 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:26.720 they kept that site completely under wraps by using Brazl's site as a distraction. 347 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:37.000 Yeah, so it was using the term saucer in that first release. Again 348 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:45.079 a distraction in itself. I think it was kind of I don't know what. 349 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.799 I don't necessarily believe it was a weather balloon, but I think it 350 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:55.000 was something that they weren't supposed to know about, and they quickly turned it 351 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.599 to either balloom. I think they're up to no good anyways, doing some 352 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.880 other sneaky stuff that they typically do. Flying Saucer got leaked, they were 353 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.359 attracted them, that became even more popular. They just they're like, all 354 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.720 right, let it, let that fee you. Let it just keep simmering 355 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.559 as Flying Saucer because we don't want to really know what we were really doing 356 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:21.240 exactly. They use the misinformation from Flying Saucer to cover up a lot of 357 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.799 the stuff that they've done. So whatever it is that crashed, was it 358 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:33.519 really something from space with bodies or is it some secret government shipped that they 359 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.039 were dicking around with and it crashed and it came out saying, oh, 360 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.799 UFO, I don't think it's a UFO because then we can keep on doing 361 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.359 what we're doing and they'll never think it's us. They're gonna think it's aliens. 362 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.839 Also that yeah, that's that's the whole project mogul of it. Mm 363 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:56.640 hmm. I think a lot of the UFO stuff that we see about a 364 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.160 good ninety something percent, i would say, or probably some sort of military 365 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.839 aircraft. A lot of people see these weird things in the sky and everything 366 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:15.559 else. It doesn't mean it's from space. They could literally be how long 367 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:22.799 did they see these triangles? Flying around years. Yeah, the stealth bomber 368 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:27.640 is pretty triangular. I'm not saying that's what it was. But the Stealth's 369 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.839 bomber has been around and known for a long time. But what do you 370 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.720 think has evolved since then, because that's like one of the last big secret 371 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.599 airplanes they had, Oh, the stealth bombers, what do you think happened? 372 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:45.519 They didn't just stop making things. So maybe these triangular craft are the 373 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.799 new evolution of the stealths that we don't even know about. It doesn't mean 374 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:56.960 they're from outer space. They're just secret government ships that they do that we 375 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:07.359 don't know about. That's just maya more level headed skepticism, I guess. 376 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.440 No. I mean it makes sense like that a lot of these things have 377 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:20.400 come out to be military projects. But the ones that happens are the ones 378 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:28.960 that keep at least me interested. It's they can release every Freedom of Information 379 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:34.960 Act report that they want. I believe the number is at like ninety six 380 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.640 percent or something like that they release, But it's that four percent that they 381 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:45.799 don't that keeps me curious. Yeah, it's that it's that seven percent that 382 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:53.359 blue Book couldn't identify that keeps me curious. I've always wondered about blue Book, 383 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.839 how honest they really were. But blue Book was garbage. Blue Book 384 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:04.000 was They came out and well, I mean that came out and said but 385 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:09.440 basically in the Freedom of Information Act reports in the documents, they blue Book 386 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:16.440 was there specifically to give people an answer. It was not there to do 387 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:23.920 science. Project Sign before blue Book was there to do thee to do the 388 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.319 science and Project Sign, they wanted to know what was actually happening. Project 389 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:35.480 blue Book was literally there just to appease the people and give them an answer 390 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:42.559 that the military would allow. I feel like with blue Book and anything that 391 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:49.119 was really used to investigate UFOs was never taken seriously, just because I think 392 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.599 they knew a lot of it again was probably just made up crap or well, 393 00:33:52.680 --> 00:34:00.759 Project Sign was taken very seriously, and in Projects Sign they found a 394 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.960 lot of stuff that they did not understand and that they kind of got scared 395 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:12.119 of. And it was kind of the fear that Project Sign gave them that 396 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:20.320 they started to push the topic as a fringe topic so that they could, 397 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.360 like you said earlier, control control to people. It was during Project Sign 398 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:31.280 that they there was a classified document called the estimate of the situation that came 399 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.280 out during Project Sign. It was in nineteen forty eight that they they basically 400 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:44.159 said that that they were scared of this, that it that it was, 401 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.280 it was making them nervous. There was several scientists that were on this estimate 402 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:58.159 situation and then yeah, they they changed the name from Project Sign to Project 403 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:06.519 Grudge and at that point in time started doing the work to discredit anybody that 404 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:15.679 talked about it. I think that's when you started having your weird I don't 405 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.119 want to like write off the abductions or anything like that, but I think 406 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.320 it was around that time frame you started getting your calum mutilations, your alien 407 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.280 abductions, and all this other stuff. And I think they were using that 408 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:34.280 too as part of a control narrative just to try and just to try and 409 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.800 like disseminate false information out there to the masses, because they want to use 410 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:47.360 whatever is actually going on. They're putting in fake intel with these people. 411 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.920 So that's like, you know, Richard Dody, right, Richard Dody Mirage. 412 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.400 Yeah, I mean that's basically what you're talking about there is I mean 413 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.719 he went to people and he would take these people that had experienced something who 414 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.960 thought they had experienced something, you know, and he would tell them that 415 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.639 not only did they experience that, but here's the true story. And then 416 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.199 these people would go and tell their friends, you know, men and black 417 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.800 showed up at my house and they told me that not only is this real, 418 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.119 but all of this is real too, and making them sound even crazier 419 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:30.840 than people already thought they were to begin with. It's because again, like 420 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.880 I said, they want to like, you may have had an experience, 421 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.880 and it may have been a real thing, but they're going to come out 422 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.559 there and feed you more crap because they want to discredit you. So the 423 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.679 more craziness they tell you, the more you spread it around, and the 424 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.079 more it makes you look bad and the discredits everyone else is connected to it 425 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.719 exactly. That's kind of what, like I said, that episode talked about 426 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.639 was like the whole like Paul Benowitz and how they basically used him to spread 427 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.000 misinformation because he believed everything that he was being told. He thought he was 428 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.880 communicating with aliens, but it's actually the NSA that was communicating with him just 429 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:10.960 to feed falls information to keep spreading amongst the UFO communities. So that's why 430 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:19.559 I feel like today that stuff goes on too because I still think that's what 431 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.719 they do. I don't think there's one hundred percent honesty in it. Again, 432 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.880 they're never going to be because they feel like that we can't handle the 433 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.519 truth about a lot of things, and you know, sometimes I don't think 434 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.400 we need to know everything. But at the same time, it's if there's 435 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.519 other intelligent beings out there, why are they hiding it? Like I don't 436 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.320 That's where I've always come back to is if there's other things out there and 437 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.840 they know about it, why do they keep the big secret? What is 438 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.159 the point of keeping it a secret unless it's again being able to be weaponized 439 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:54.119 to make money off of it exactly. That's that's why it's all about money. 440 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:04.320 It's all about money and weapons, which again that's another rabbit hole that 441 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:09.119 I don't want to dive into in this episode. But yeah, you want 442 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:15.920 to talk a little bit about Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 443 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.400 I know a little bit about it, But you want to talk about it 444 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:28.199 here we can dive into Skinwalker Ranch is kind of where my thesis project had 445 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.039 first started. It was my first idea was to do a deep dive of 446 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.760 what happens there kind of merged into my conspiracy thing when I learned about the 447 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:47.119 whole bigelow of it. But yeah, I have been incredibly just like obsessed 448 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:53.599 with what's happening there since I saw the show. I've only watched a few 449 00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:00.119 episodes of it. But I struggle watching anything on television that because when it's 450 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.599 on History Channel or anything, I feel like it is so staged. Yeah, 451 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.760 it's hard to take serious. I watched the show The Hunt for the 452 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.760 Skinwalker. I think it was on Amazon. I don't really remember a whole 453 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.480 lot about it. I watched it when it came out, But that whole 454 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.239 area there's been There's been a lot of stuff that's went on. There's been 455 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.039 a lot of weird sightings that happened out there. I know they've seen all 456 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.000 sorts of weird cryptids, and they've had crop circles, they've had alien stuff 457 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:36.559 globes, they've had haunted stuff like and as I talked about a little bit 458 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:43.159 ago, I just had an episode about the thirty third Parallel, and there's 459 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.760 a lot of high strangeness activities have run along that parallel. A lot of 460 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:52.840 weird stuff that's happened all across the world throughout history has happened on that parallel, 461 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.239 and Skinwalker Ranch is just on the outskirts of that parallel. So who's 462 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.679 to say that some of that that's not part of of what goes on there 463 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.519 is because of where it's located. That parallel seems to have a lot of 464 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.679 high energy attracted to it, Like there's a lot of UFO sightings through there. 465 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.320 There's a lot of major cities on that and a lot of big tragedies 466 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:20.800 happen on that parallel. So when it comes to Skinwalker Ranch, maybe it's 467 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:27.800 because of where it's at there. Maybe there's like a natural vortex somewhere something 468 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.719 that's the energies are coming from that's causing all these weird things to happen. 469 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:39.960 And again I go back to the frequency that the Earth resonates at, right, 470 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.880 Is it different at that thirty third parallel? Is that why things happen 471 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:52.960 at that thirty third parallel because it is somehow a different frequency. I read 472 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.960 that that in that thirty third parallel around most of the world, there's a 473 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:04.119 line of court that goes through the entire thing. So is that line of 474 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:09.960 courts rant vibrating at a different frequency, making all of this stuff be more 475 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:20.320 visible. Yeah, And in addition to that, I'm also an astrology nerd. 476 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.559 I've been taking a course in that outside of my school classes for the 477 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:30.440 last year, and I found it really interesting that also on that thirty third 478 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:38.239 parallel, on the other side of the globe is where the Hellenistic astrology first 479 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:46.880 began. It's where the whole concept was originally created, way way, way, 480 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:57.159 way way back. I didn't hear about that one. I know religious 481 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.360 stuff, which again I'm not a religious type of person. But when I 482 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:06.639 was interviewing the guy from the Awakening podcast, he's one talks about the thirty 483 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:12.320 third parallel. He mentioned that I forget the mountain what it was, but 484 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.320 it's on the thirty third parallel supposedly where the fallen angels are kicked out. 485 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.480 The thirty three percent of the fallen angels got kicked out of Heaven down there, 486 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.960 and that's the same area where Jesus was born, as the same area 487 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:28.159 scrucified. Like, there's all sorts of weird stuff and all falls along that 488 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.880 for religious aspects, and there's a lot of different things that have happened on 489 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.519 that parallel too. Like I said, like just so happened to be where 490 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.800 we dropped nuclear bombs on Japan. Happens to be there. Hollywood is there, 491 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.079 Dallas is there where Kennedy was assassinated. I'm pretty sure it runs through 492 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:52.119 somewhere in Alabama or wherever that it's not NASA, but they had there was 493 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.800 another headquarters for NASA kind of used to be involved in that area. There's 494 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.760 just so many different things, like the Middle East, like some places in 495 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:06.639 Iraq, and then there's a i think even at parts of Israel or in 496 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.360 it. It's just very strange when you follow that parallel around you see all 497 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:16.079 the major things that it connects to. This might be a topic for my 498 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:22.719 next blog. You're making me really thinks a lot here. It's definitely something 499 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.079 worth checking out. I can my episode with him will come out for a 500 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.599 while, but I can he's been another podcast. I can send you a 501 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:37.360 link to something off fair of breaking and listen to what he's talked about. 502 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:43.960 Ye yes, please. I've definitely done my research into the thirty third parallel, 503 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:49.800 but I've looked more into it and the astrological sense and the skin Walker 504 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.800 ranch since in the I don't if you've ever heard of the Kentucky Goblins. 505 00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.880 I believe it was an Amazon Prime documentary again on the third third parallel, 506 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.920 So like I've heard all of that, but I did not realize the Hiroshima 507 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:10.400 of it. I did not realize the jfk assassination of it. I didn't 508 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:16.719 realize like the Christian religious aspect of it. Definitely some things I want to 509 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:23.559 look into. The thirty third is the Freemasons, like the thirty third level 510 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:32.719 of the Freemasons. During World War Two, Roosevelt would have been technically he 511 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.559 served a third term, so he would have been the thirty third president. 512 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.280 But if you want to go and not count him, the next president would 513 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.360 have been I don't remember. I forget who it was right after Roosevelt, 514 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:49.320 but that's when the whole Roswell, the UFO thing happened during the thirty third 515 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.920 president. That he didn't point that out, but I was thinking, because 516 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.480 Roosevelt was a thirty second president, well Roswell and all the UFO stuff happened 517 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.480 in nineteen forty seven. I would have been right after Roosevelt died, so 518 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.639 that it had whoever took over for Roosevelt as the president. So the thirty 519 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.800 third president would have been when all this UFO stuff started happening. That's really 520 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:15.559 interesting. I might throw that adding here because I kind of thought about that 521 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.360 after we record. I was like, you know, we talked about Roosevelt. 522 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.079 I was like, but I didn't mention the whole UFO thing afterwards. 523 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:27.800 Yeah. So, but now back to Skinwalker Ranch. I always thought it 524 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:34.519 was strange that Robert Bigelow bought it, owned it for about ten years, 525 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.920 and they clearly were doing something because if you know him, he's mister aerospace 526 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.320 or whatever, always looking for I don't know if he's like a legit dude 527 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.159 that wants to find because he believes, or if he's just trying to be 528 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.880 a billionaire and spend his money on stuff that can make him more money. 529 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.519 You know, that's a really good question. I know that Brandon Fugel, 530 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:02.639 who owns it now, says that he was absolutely a skeptic. He bought 531 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:09.039 the ranch and started doing research on it to prove that it was all fake, 532 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.039 that there was nothing actually there. But being on the property and doing 533 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.079 the research has changed his mind, has changed his perspective. Mm hmm. 534 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.800 I don't really know a whole lot about Brandon Bugle. I, like I 535 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.360 said, I've only seen a couple of those episodes. I haven't really watched 536 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:36.280 anything about it. But Robert Bigelow, he's he's been involved in a lot 537 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:42.920 of different things, and I've always felt like he was someone he doesn't need 538 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.599 the government, but I feel like he works with the government, you know 539 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.280 what I mean. So it's hard to trust me. And when it's all 540 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.079 sudden done and when it comes on television shows, I don't really trust what 541 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:53.800 they're going to show you on television either, because they're not going to really 542 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:59.599 disclose anything major on a TV show. They've all got their rules and regulations 543 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.400 and they all the answer to somebody. While I absolutely agree with you on 544 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.760 that, and I don't think that we'll ever actually see like the really crazy 545 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.599 stuff that they see. They do all. Like I said, I watched 546 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.599 the show, and I watched the show like a lot, like I've watched 547 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.800 each episode way too many times, kind of a lot. But they all 548 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:30.639 kind of have a tell, and it's Eric's. Eric Bard's tell is quite 549 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:37.760 clear, and like when it's something that I think, in my opinion anyway, 550 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.000 this is all just like in my head, right when it's something that's 551 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.079 not real, when it's something that is like in there for the Hollywood effect, 552 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:51.960 Eric Bird has a tell. He kind of gives this like sigh and 553 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:58.440 this eye roll and this headshake, like here we go again. But he 554 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:04.639 also has a tell in the opposite direction, whereas something actually scares him, 555 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.320 where it actually freaks him out a little bit, and at that point in 556 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.800 time is still the Hollywood effect, and they just he didn't know that it 557 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.840 was coming and it just kind of scared him a little bit because he didn't 558 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.039 know it was going to happen. Or is he actually seeing something and that's 559 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:30.360 a natural reaction to him being frightened. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard 560 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.639 to really know, like I said, without ever being around these people who 561 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.440 really get an idea of what you're seeing and when they're not and what they're 562 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.039 doing. And for me, like I said it, with it being on 563 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.840 television, it's hard to take serious. But I don't doubt that they're not 564 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.719 experiencing weird stuff going on out there because there's been weird stuff going on out 565 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.599 there for years before it was ever owned by Bigelow. It's why he bought 566 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:59.159 it, right, So I definitely agree that there's something going on out there, 567 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.920 but I don't know if it's too thing that we'll ever know about other 568 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.039 than what they tell us on the show and what they write about, because 569 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:13.639 I think then they used to say there's like a large canine thing that used 570 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.280 to patrol out there too, that see like like the hell hend or whatever 571 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.519 they wanted to call it. It was almost like a really large black oolf 572 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:24.599 looking dog thing. And I mean, I think that's the skin Walkers according 573 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.400 to like Native traditions Native I want to say religions. I don't think that's 574 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:37.519 the word I'm looking for here. Thing. Yeah, yeah, they it 575 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.960 was something to do with the Navajo and the youths packed or something. But 576 00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:50.360 they're they're medicine people I believe would turn into the skin Walkers and kind of 577 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:55.199 just go destroy things. If I am understanding the story correctly. Yeah, 578 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.800 I think there they had to kill a family member or some something like they 579 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.039 were good people. Basically they were waste like a witch doctor or what. 580 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.679 Everyone like the medicine people, but they had to go and commit like murder 581 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.480 of a family member, I think, in order to be able to take 582 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:13.079 the shape of something else. Then they had they had to kill whatever shape 583 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:17.320 they were trying to take. Again, I don't I'm not trying to say 584 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.719 I believe in any of that stuff or I don't best believe any of it. 585 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.719 I just I just that's just the lore of it. Who really knows 586 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:29.039 at this point. If someone can take shapes of different things, then I 587 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.480 feel like that would be weaponized too, and maybe that's why they're out there. 588 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:37.639 Agreed. Well, if there's anything else you want to touch base on, 589 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.800 we can, or if you want, we can wrap this up. 590 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:45.719 I know it's getting late. I think I'm good. If you're good, 591 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:52.599 Yeah, I'm I'm good. My mouse isn't working, so that's not good. 592 00:50:52.639 --> 00:51:01.480 But it died on me. But yeah, I appreciate you come honored 593 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.400 and talk with me. Yeah. Absolutely, thank you for having me. 594 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.960 Yeah, it's not a problem. Hopefully you can use this for your school 595 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:19.039 and get your passing grade. Yeah, fingers crossed. Well again, appreciate 596 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:20.679 you come on and talk with me, and I hope you have a good 597 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.039 night. And I want to say to everyone listening, thanks for listening. 598 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:35.360 I'll catch you on the next one. Thank you. Remember the truth lies 599 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.000 and the stories we share. The connections we make, stay curious, stay 600 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.280 open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until 601 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.719 next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the end NOE. 602 00:51:45.880 --> 00:52:13.599 Good night everyone,