Ask you not whether he used the term. I said, where do you
think the doctrine of the Trinity comes from? And you gave me a long
explanation about him talking about Praxius. I'm aware of all that, But I
asked you about where you think the doctrine of the Trinity comes from, and
you just said the coining of the terms. You think that the term is
itself the origin of the doctrine, and you think that the Trinity doesn't directly
relate to the history of the Divinity of Christ at Nicia. No, because
the Council of Nassia, it was not the Trinity. Matter of fact,
the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with the Council of Notasia. It wasn't
even taught about um when it came to the Aatious has an entire book on
that. So you're you're wrong, and he's the so the Council Wait wait,
it's called It's so you're not aware of the basics of the Council of
Nicia. You don't even think that the the guys who are the champions of
it, who wrote extensively about the Holy Spirit, you don't think that that
Nicia talks about the Holy Spirit and the council not see it was the Holy
spirited part of the guy head. After they had they vote yes or no.
A simple question question, are you right? You right? You right?
My bad? My bad? That's my apologies absolutely, because I have
the writings of Athonatians up there, and he writes extensively about the Holy Spirit
as well. I didn't act. I mean, you got ask me nderstand
that he is the father of the of Nicea right. So I'm just trying
to figure out where you think the doctrine of the trinity came from, because
because you're not aware of the basics already. Um, your claim you're trying
to claim the person that wrote about it means it was in the council of
not seeing. You know, that's that's just disingenuous. Objectively, you're in
the council not seeing. You can go to degree that I know you,
okay, So I need to know you. You're saying that they don't talk
about the Holy Spirit, that Althonaians doesn't write about the Holy Spirit the obviously
what I mean by that as the Holy Spirit was not saying as part of
the guy head, and later Athanasius defends the trinity. So you again,
I'm not talking about him, talk about Big is the father of the council.
His writings are given the stamp of approval to his council. You keep
trying to twist the argument. You're doing it because you don't know, you
don't know basic facts on this stuff. You're trying to argue something that you
don't know about. And you'll have two minutes on the clock out for your
cross examination. Will only have about eight minutes left. Is my two minutes?
Two minutes? All right? So what he's claiming is um, the
Father's been. He said it rolled about the Holy Spirit, and that's why
he's trying to avoid the questions. That's ir relevant to my question. I
said, Aft the Council of my see, you don't even know after is
the father of that council. Dude, he's the main one. I already
answered this. This is so silly. It's Bryson's time. Bryson, I
pause the clock. He still have now he does. He deserves that when
I did it to him once. But as I said, I'm not talking
about the guy. I'm talking about the Council of my Sea, which is
why he's trying to He's the guy of that council, which you don't even
know that. I don't care about what. I'm glad you don't, but
the council did at the council. Bryson's time. What's left, Bryson asked,
asked the question, Jay, you'll have time to really thank you at
the council. I think I don't know about the council. I see it
is like laughable at best. But at the council they came to a decision
about them the relationship, uh lack of better terms between Jesus and the Father
and Aran lost and after that cancname it's Arius. You don't even know the
doctrine is called Arian. That's that's a mistake. It's fine, you made
a few. You don't know what divine means. It's okay, we all
make mistakes. Was right about it? You don't? You were wrong?
No, you you was. You was definitely wrong about the I'm not I
did Google? Go ahead, you want me to sell my Google not ter?
Tell you Google is not a source to Google? Do you know that's
you lose it? I mean website? I mean, bro, you made
a claim. Okay, you trying to see if anybody go look if you
everybody gonna recess the Council of Nicia. The Holy Spirit was not added to
the Godhead as a result of that council. And if he says he was
already part of the Godhead, of course he's not added to Wait. Wait,
wait, wait, he just conceded that he that that that what No,
I'm saying, you don't even know what you're talking about. You're so
out. He just admitted it, bros said, as he knows. You
know, you're disingenuous. No, disingenuous, bronc. I've got all the
nicea right here. Yeah, And the Holy Spirit was not a part of
desided to be part of the god Council of You know that. You know
that to be church Father of Nicia wrote entire treatises about the Trinity. You
just made a joke of yourself. No, you're trying to talk about the
person and what they wrote. I'm talking about the council is council accepted.
The council is hilarious. The Council accepted his writings in theology. That's why
Athanasius says that the Council of Nicia was guided by the Holy Spirit. All
right, Jay, you have two minutes on the clock for your time for
examination. Yeah. I mean, first of all, the Trinity is taught
in the New Testament, and it's taught in the Old Testament. The Trinity
is taught in dozens of passages in the Old Testament, which the very thing
that he thinks he can go to, which he doesn't actually believe, because
if he doesn't worship God rightly, he can cite all these commandments all day
long, which he thinks he keeps, but he doesn't. There are Theophanes
all throughout the Old Testament, where the Father, the Angel of the Lord
I mentioned them in my open statement, and the Spirit are all mentioned throughout
the Old Testament. The Spirit, the Angel of the Lord is called Yahweh
many many times in the Old Testament. He's distinct from the Father. Jesus
says in John five that no man sees the Father at any time. But
yet Moses talked and spoke to me. Paul says in second Corinthians three,
do you agree that it was Jesus that was talking to Moses on Mount SINAI?
Oh, I've already said through text messages that I'm not debating a trinity,
So I mean it's I think he's trying it into the debate keeping Yes
I did, Yes, I did, because I made it a pointment my
time. I said, yeah, you don't want to talk about it because
you know it will undo your whole position, because I said, I said
in John five, Jesus was at the mountain giving the law to Moses.
So that means Jesus gave them the ceremonial law. Jesus gave the mosaic law.
Okay, that means he's the one that decides how you interpret it and
how it's fulfilled. Yes, Jesus correct, Yeah, he says in Luke,
he who hears you? Here's me. That means the apostles that he
sent out had authority, And you admit that those apostles is where we get
Papius and Uranus. Right, Did they ordained them? No, I don't
say that they ordained him though. Oh okay, so wait a minute,
but you did accept happiest when he said that the Gospel of Matthew comes from
Matthew the disciple. I've already explained to him, I saying, because he's
not the one that made that decision, as I said beforehand, Oh who
made that decision? As I said beforehand, we don't know he hasn't you
don't actually know where the gospel Matthew comes from. All right, that'll be
That'll be your your time this time, Jay, I'm racing. You have
two minutes on the clock and then Jay, you'll have a final two minutes
and then we'll go to closing statements and Q and A. Okay, So
I just want to um and this is what he wanted to do. We
tested about this, and I see what he's trying to do. This is
what anger does to people. But just to be clear again, I just
want to go back to what he said beforehand, where he was being just
clear. Clut this in genuinous. If anybody knows about the councils not see
it, they will argue. Know over the word homosious. I'm trying to
figure out how to use the word blah blah blah what it means. I
basically means one with the Father or equal and whatever it was. I'm the
Aryan doctrine lost the votes. Now, I just want to make it clear
that the Holy Spirit didn't get that title until a later council. And that's
just an objective fact. That's why he keeps going to the writing of people
outside of the council itself because he's trying to be disingenuous. And now he's
talking about Jesus being the one talk of the Moses. The relevance is literally
it's not even there because you're just helping my point because Jesus is the one
that interprets it. You're right in, Jesus is the one who said in
Matthew file until heaven and nerve pass not one dime to trying. No,
why's passed from the law. But as we already established, you believe Jesus
has came through like a beef in the night. I don't. And we've
already came to a conclusion to our disagreement that can't be solved because we have
two completely different views with that. So all right, you have one minute
left? What sorry, five seconds though, bro, my goodness, okay,
let me just try to find something to toss throw a wrenchingness. Um
oh oh. By the way he talked about um, he talked about his
group being the true Church, asked that before, you don't even have the
Holy Spirit if you don't keep the commandments. So I don't even believe if
you don't keep the commandments and teach people to keep the commandments, you will
have the Holy Spirit, and also you will be called leasing the Kingdom of
Heaven. So I wonder what Jay feels about Jesus saying that, But I
do agree that Jesus has to correct the interpretation, which is why I'm quoting
Jesus. You know, beautiful thing. Hope hopefully one day you'll listen to
him. Is that the end of my forty five seconds? Yep, you
have two seconds left and it's gone. Ye, there you go, Jay,
you have two minutes on the clock, and then we'll go to closing
statements. Yeah, I'm gonna read the original Nice Seeing Creator three twenty five.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of all things
visible invisible, and one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God Begotten,
the Father, only begotten, that is, from the substance to the Father,
God of Light, God of God, Light, from light, true
God of True God be Gotten, not made in one substance with the Father
by whom all things were made. I'm gonna skip down after the section on
the incarnation. He rose again on the third day, ascending into heaven and
we'll come again in to judge the living in the dead. And I believe
in the Holy Spirit. So the original icn Creed uh includes the Holy Spirit.
So you're completely wrong. And if you had even looked into this a
little bit, you would have known that. If you had read any of
Athanasius, you would have known that he constantly defends the full deity of all
three persons. He's written many treatises against the Arians on that. And the
council is not just a phrase or a section of phrases. That's the Creed.
The council includes things like the cannons of Nicia. Cannons of Nicia include
all the other beliefs that we believe is Orthodox, like bishops episcopate feast days
like Pentecost, which we keep and you don't keep, by the way,
which is ironic. So the Orthodox Church actually does keep Pentecost. So,
um, were you aware that actually the original Nicene Creed does mentioned the Holy
Spirit. Yeah, I mean that's you said it. To understand, you
said, you said, there's no mention. You just and then I clarify
what I mean. You said it's not there at all. You said it's
not there at all. I clarified, what all you did? You said
it's not there at all? You just you just got bodied again. No,
you said it's not there at all. You like, I don't you
have a hum rewind back? You said there's nothing about there. You said
there's nothing about the Holy Spirit there. You're not to repeat. I'm not
going to repeat myself again, but I clarified, and when you did,
it's back. You're not gonna make you wrong anyway, and who cares?
So? All right? J F twenty seconds left. You said it was
not a part of the Godhead. It was a it was added later you
said it was not at nicea. I read you the Creed. The Creed
just says we believe in the Holy Spirit. If I'm not mistaken there,
I think you said it wasn't mentioned. It's in the Creed. No,
I clarified. I said it wasn't part of Godhead. You knew. I
clarified it was you Why you just admitted. That's how clarified. Stop it
being so fake. And it's right there, and it's it's part. It
is so it is part of the Godhead, all right, And that's time.
We're gonna move to five minute closing statements. Um, Bryson, you'll
go. You'll go first, and then Jay you'll get your five minutes after.
Everybody, make sure to get your questions in UM for the Q and
A after the closing statements. I mean you can get him in now.
The stream Labs link is in the show description as well as in the chat.
Bryson, go ahead, whenever you're ready. You have five minutes.
That is a long time. UM, So let me start about this.
Anybody can go look this up yourself. Please go look up when the Trinitarian
doctrine, like the Doctor of the Trinity included the Holy Spirit and the Father
and the Son all bring together as co equal, which is the current which
is sort of the current Doctor of the Trenity. Y'all can look this up,
y'allselves. Don't listen to me, listen to Jay. Literally just look
it up. Which council did it. He's being disingenuous And that's clear cut,
um and honest. I don't even care about the aspect of the conversation.
It's like clearly relevant to the actual debates. Was about the debate about
the mad about He's I think what's called what chase what is the debate called?
Again? It's the debate is who keeps the torah? Who keeps the
torah? Okay, thank you, which he clearly does not do. And
that's why he spend his whole time during this debate admitting he doesn't do it.
That's about closing statement. I just want to let y'all know a few
verses. If you read John chapter fourteen, it clearly tells you that those
who don't keep the commandments, they don't love Jesus and they don't receive the
Holy Spirit. And before anybody attempts to say that Jesus is talking about a
separate group of commandments, that is clearly inaccurate. He is talking about the
commandments that came from the Father, which he explicitly expresses in John fourteen.
So let's get this straight. If you don't keep the commandments, you don't
love Jesus, you do not get the comforter, which is the Holy Spirit.
Satan's not after you if you don't keep the commandments and the testimony of
Jesus Christ and which is the revelation twelve. And we know in Daniel seven
that the beasts, that the beast will be arrogant to speak words against the
most hide and attempt to change his times and his laws. So these are
things that are clear cut in the scripture, no matter how you view,
no matter how you view the cannon. And once again Matthew five seventeen to
twenty one, which there will never be a sufficient answer for it for people
that don't keep the commandments. If you don't keep the commandments, you will
be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Not only if you don't keep
the commandments, but if you don't teach other people to keep the commandments,
you will undoubtedly be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. That's cruelly what
Jesus said, and it's in context, which is why he never questioned if
what I said was in context. And then after that he said, if
you do keep the commandments and teach people to keep the commandments, you will
be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. Now, outside of the nonsense,
I clearly understand the issue in this debate, like I've said five times,
but I found myself having to repeat myself in this conversation, which is
that he believed Jesus has already came through like a thief in the night,
as he already said happened. So he does indeed believe heaven and nerve has
passed. Now, if you read the Book of Revelation, or you read
Matthew, or you read Daniel, especially Revelation twenty one, if heaven and
nerve has already passed, then we have a few issues. So if you
go, I don't know, I don't even know if that's a um.
Is that like a orthodoxy viewer? Is that like a part of like the
doctrine to say they say that church fathers affirm that. Okay, so so
so that started that is an orthodox of view. Okay, I did I
did? I aint angle. I did not know that. So if you
re Revelation twenty one though, which is funny, it tells you about the
people that are going to the Lake of Fire, which is the second depth.
So my question is where is that? When has that happened? If
Heaven nerf has passed, because that has to be coupled in with heaven and
ner passing. Uh, and then it talks about who's going to the new
Jerusalem? Um, where's the new Jerusalem? Because it can't be the annassis
of America because obviously the new Jerusalem will only be filled with righteousness. Um,
there's there's a lot of issues, a lot of issues with believing that
heaven and nerve passed. But that wasn't the debate so um and that that
could be his view. I have nothing against that being his view. I
just have a lot of questions about it, and I think it's a anactury
view. But that has seemed to be the problem with this discussion. We're
talking from two different aspects of time biblically, because if you believe that heaven
a nerd has passed, and yes, so you believe the law is done
away with, but again, where's the beard temple? Then you know,
like there's so many things that has to go alone with that. And and
also if just already came back, then there should be no sin, nobody
should be nobody should be said, these people should be in the lake of
fire. There's a lot of things I'm confused about. Once again, the
base lays the same I said in my opening statement, people choose side before
it even starts. It's fine as dandy, but I clearly prove that you
have to keep the commandments to heaven a nerve passed. I think he understands
that, but he believes it already has passed. And if you're listening and
you don't keep the commandments unless you think, unless you're other thatse Christians obviously,
because he said they all affirmed that, then you need to start keeping
the commandments. I'm not here to force you or convince you, to be
quite honest. Uh, what I am trying to do is one to you
how much time I got left? Chase? Please tell me if hey look
at Aaron Boy are talking again? Go ahead? Yo? Um, yeah,
I have no Hadred toys day after it is. I'm not one of
the people that get mad at people after debates, Like I said, to
be honest, to do that he debates or like a child, But uh,
it's part of the game. I still I still love him to death
and I think he's hilarious. So that's pretty much likewise. Yeah, I
don't have any personal animosity for me. Debates are just uh you know,
their debates. They get heated. So uh is it my turn, Chase?
It is your turn? Uh? Yeah, So I would say to
kind of recap here at the end. Um, you know, I made
some really clear debate points early on that I don't think we're answered. So
I think when we uh touched on the issue of reliance on the Church,
the church's tradition, we had admissions in that in that regard, but I
don't think that it's consistent. I know that he had an answer, but
I don't think they were good answers, and I think I explained why they
weren't good. For the Orthodox Church, we go not just with the Bible,
but with the Church that gave us that Bible, and that tradition is
something that's inescapable from knowing things like Matthew was the disciple of Jesus, and
if we rely on Patristic tradition, and that suggests to me that we also
rely on that church of history as well. The law, I think has
a purpose, has a telos, and that purpose is realized in time in
different ways. It's not realized only at the end of time in the escaton
in our review, the escat the end already invaded to here and the now,
in the already not yet sense. This is a common term in Biblical
exegesis and theology that the Escaton of the New Jerusalem that he referred to that
was brought when Jesus came. The escaton is a marriage supper that invaded when
Jesus established the eucharistic Lord's Supper. That's why when John sees the worship of
the Church in heaven, when he looks up in Revelation chapters five and six,
he sees a liturgical service with incense investiments and a priesthood and an altar.
All of those things were brought to the earth. They were established as
the fulfillment of the types of Israel. So we don't discard the law.
We honor the law by fulfilling and obeying it. In terms of its purpose,
Bryson has separated the law from its purpose, which is Jesus's Church,
which is the living embodiment of the law. The arc, the Temple,
the temple that he's waiting for already exists. It's the temple that Peter describes
as the Church, the new Jerusalem, the heavenly kingdom and city that came
down to earth at Jesus's first advent. And that's why all of his theology
has missed the fact that the destruction of the temple is the presignifier a La
Daniel nine and Genesis forty nine of the establishment of the Heavenly City. Now
Paul says to the Galatians and Galatians four, you are already members of the
heavenly Jerusalem, the city of above. Right, that's the church, the
church in history, the Kingdom, which is prophesied multiple times in the Psalms,
multiple times in Isaiah. If you look at Romans fifteen and sixteen,
Paul cites the Psalms multiple times about Israel and the Nations, and he says
to the church at Rome, you are the fulfillment of those things. Just
like when I mentioned Joel two Pentecost, in the last days, I will
pour out my spirit on all flesh. That's not talking about the end times.
That's talking about Acts two. The last days is the last days of
the first administration of the Mosaic Covenant. The new atom has come, the
old temple goes away. And that's why in the Orthodox Church, for example,
you will find I'm going to screen share here for a second. Before
I do that, what does the original Niceen creeds say? Is it trinitarian?
Absolutely? Why is it trinitarian? Because this confession right here, by
the way is directly out of the writings of Athanasius. And so when they
affirm Athanasius' is theology, which they do, they are affirming his interpretation of
this text. The text is trinitarian, and we know it's trinitarian because Athanasius
taught the Trinity. They're affirming the Trinity in the way that he teaches it.
And the Holy Spirit is clear as day right there. One minute now
in regard to let me stop sharing this. The other points I wanted to
make about the early Church. You'll notice there is the synagogues that we see
endure Europos in the earliest days of Christianity. For example, the synagogues them
selves had icons. They look like Orthodox churches. Why do they look like
Orthodox churches because the Church, the Orthodox Church, took the temple and synagogue
worship. The very thing that Bryson's searching for, it exists already in the
Orthodox Church, which has all of this worship, all of this liturgy,
all the things that he's trying to find. And I don't want other I
thought, this is a funny, illustrative meme. Wonder where the true Messianic
judaism is. Well, guess what it's daring rison right in the face here's
the Old Testament priest with his garb and why what do you know the New
Testament priesthood and church? Why it looks just like them. There's a priest
in the ark and the temple, etc. All right, awesome, Well
we're gonna get into the super chat Q and a Bryce before we do that.
Bryson, do you want to take a second shout yourself out where people
can find you at all that? No, we could just get into it.
Okay, go ahead. We'll have a thirty minute Q and A through
the chat. By the way, Chase, if you would, um,
because we got a lot of super chats and I don't know. I mean,
Bryson's welcome to stay as long as he is as he wants to and
answer them all. But I mean there's a lot, so um, any
questions come my way, I will answer it. Okay, cool, Chase?
Should we set like a time because I mean there's like I can I
can set a timer to try to get get get you guys out of here
in thirty minutes and we can focus on the Bryson ones maybe, um,
so that he can have time to address those that sound good at you,
Bryson, you want to do that where it's like, I mean, because
there's like there might be another hour or two this. Do you want to
hang around? Do you want to what do you want to do? I
might could do another hour to two hours maybe, but our fort's just you
know, let's do it. Yeah, I'm having to scroll. I'm scrolling
back to the very beginning. It's way back here. Let's see. Uh,
are you gonna repeat them for him? Because I don't. I'm gonna.
I'm gonna read them out. It's so I'm trying to find where they
begin. There's a bunch, so Kristen says for five dollars, Bryson on
life support with an opening statement, I don't see any arguments. Uh do
you want to react to any of them? Or do you want me just
to keep reading through them until it's a question. I mean, my my
arguments are very clear cut, very scriptural and context Bible versus. That was
never challenged. Bone Man five three eight for one hundred dollars says, thank
you, thank you so much. Bone Man, Theosis pilgrim ten dollars shout
out to diet so to light Chase. You have a phenomenal mustache. Thanks
for another great debate, Jay, Thank you Bryson fans seven seven seven,
Hello Bryson, I have a suggestion for you for a new song, Bible
Thumper Part two. Jay Dyer is my daddy. He's not a Bible plumper
though, that's true. End or ten dollars jd Your opening argument was beautiful,
one of the beautiful, beautifulest things I've heard. No cap you knuked
Bryson. Glory to God, blessed me, all of you guys and your
families. Dale five dollars Bryson, Uh, you don't want to get into
the Theophanes, and Dale says again, Bryson, you shouldn't debate again.
I made my point on what I wanted to debate clear with Jade through text
messages. I made it so clear that you can't even can't even missay it
um. And once again, a lot of value is clearly buying it.
That's how it is, how it goes. But the reality of the situation
is everything I said was correct, everything including the definition of divine. I
want to throw that in there again. The only difference, as I say
it for a fifth year time, because Orthodox Christians y'all believe that heaven and
Earth has already passed. Um, So I mean that's that that That's just
pretty much it. Bryson seven seven seven Bryson, you wasted Jay's time.
This is embarrassing. You got smoke, stick to your grifty music, storm
the cap five dollars, bro, I was gonna ask you a question.
I don't care anymore. Just do your research Dale one dollar Bryson smokes crack
Block Party Vintage one dollar to Bryson. If Christ fulfilled the law, what
are you trying to keep? Paul says, you'll be judged by the law
if you try to keep it. Once again, this is just like secoped
to three sixteen, says. Ignorant and unstable people take Paul out of contacts
and use them for their own destruction. And I explained it during the thing
when Paul says you're dead to the law. Well, first off, the
field doesn't mean to notherifi because Jesus quite literally told you that it doesn't mean
to another file. A matter of fact, he said, if anybody nullifies
one of the least of these commandments, they'll be called least in the Kingdom
of Heaven again, which is why a lot of people need to listen and
read the Bible. But when it comes to Paul, he says, dad
to the law. He's talking about being dead to sin, which I clearly
told you. He explains in Romans six, I think if a lot of
y'all actually picked up the Bible, we'll have a different conversation. Block party,
vintage. No excuse me, Dale. One dollars, stop talking,
Bryson, Noah, five dollars. Bryson, you gave up. I've never
seen anything like it. Bryson is a sorry heretic. Get triggered. Ten
dollars. Bryson, please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Jay adamized you.
You should apologize for wasting everyone's time. Johnny. Ten dollars. This is
for Bryson in reference the King's Saint David's prophecy of Christ having an eternal priesthood
and saw him one O nine four. Where does your church have the Order
of mal Kizedect in your Gnostics sect? Here's a hint. It's not a
last supper of crackers and gripe juice the Order of mal Kizedec. But thank
you, it's not only in the tonight that As also in Hebrews chapter six,
I talked about that also, which is beautiful and it's not just crackers
in grape juice. Well, I'm gonna say something like that, gonna be
offended because obviously people in chapter biased. But obviously I do not care when
you say it's not just crackers in grape juice. The only difference between what
Protestant Christans believe that is which I believe. I believe is really the blood
of Christ, literally the um the body of Christ. But you're not literally
doing that. You just believe that is happening. Um, you can believe
that, but you're you're actually just eating bread uh and uh and drinking drinking
wine or juice. That's just the objective truth. So well, he said,
what's your take on the Melchizedeki and priest said, you say you have
that correct? Okay, John Venders. Shoot five dollars Bryson. This was
like an hour and a half ago. Bryson is doing. Now what Jay
will say when people commit the word concept fallacy. That was correct. I
did say that, Bryson. I'm not going to read that get triggered.
Five dollars. Ryson is a baby bitch. Sorry, Jay, zuona ten
dollars. Bryson accept Christ as your Lord and savior palamism respect if you go
ahead of Christ, Christ is already my Lord and Savior. Um. And
my evidence of that that I keep the commandments of God. That's how you
know you love them, because if you don't keep the commandments, you don't
love Jesus. Problemism respect to three dollars. One of the largest group Judaizing
groups was Nazarenes. They rejected Matthew Mark Luke and the Gospel of John.
Does Bryson believed that those should be rejected. What about the Eba Knights who
believed in the Gospel of the Eba Knights? Should that be part of his
bible? Um? No. And just to go back to something real quick.
And this is why I said, due to research, and I wasn't
saying it to be rude or anything like that. But according to modern terminology,
they called him Jewish Christians, and it's a religious sect that emerged from
Judea during the first century a d. Which the whole the only thing about
this is this is why I said, I wasn't generalized. It is just
literally what it is. Literally. The criteria for being a part of this
group is believed Jesus to be the prophecied Messiah and maintain the observance of Jewish
law. And this is found in the earliest Christianity. That you can never
that you can never be. In a matter of fact, this is what,
according to some sources, actually developed in a lot of these people who
actually went on and became Orthodox Christians are Catholics. But that's just a little
history. Lesson. Andy fought three dollars. I don't know what that means.
We're are the Rubenizers. Get triggered ten dollars. Please make this stop.
I'm going to the emergency room for secondhand embarrassment. A person should know
that Bryson is wrong about the Trinity and this can't be ignored. Get triggered
ten dollars. Jay, here's a ten dollars so you, because you waste
your time tonight, get triggered five dollars. I want to respond to that
training thing real quick. I've had a million like talking about trainy a million
times, and the issue is, honestly, a lot of people that represent
the Trinity, A lot of y'all a vow and a lot of people are
like basically illiterate, But y'all can have y'all view, y'all have never went
saw me winning somebody, but oh my gun, as you believe in the
Trinity, not a Christian because the Bible clearly says would not be spoiled with
vain philosophy. And there's a reason why when the Bible makes judgments, and
all the judgments you can make on somebody is in the scripture. Not one
judgment says if you don't believe in the trinity is if you don't believe in
the Trinity, that that doesn't even exist in scripture. So a lot of
validating unbryce's judgments and pitting y'all sales and yeah, hell fire, But the
scripture doesn't tell you what goes in the scripture either, So you don't even
follow that, I don't. I mean, now he's doing a side argument,
which is a fallacy. How what is the side argument fallacy? Anonymous?
Ten dollars for Bryson, And we already asked that one soma, one
dollar Bryson, get your face off the screen, christ and ten dollars I'll
pay you not to debate an ignorant wall next time. This man is either
not very smart or disingenuous, and it is just a show. Soma one
dollar, Bryson, your music is bad? Bone Man one dollar is yeah,
yeah, who hamish shock not Jesus Christ. And then it's a bunch
of gibberish gmaal five dollars. Yes that is just real quick. Yes,
yes, that is Jesus Christ because he's the prism aside. And to the
person saying my music sucks, I'll let out grippas hate me because I've been
on y'all headtip lately. Check the charts and check what I do, verst
what you do? You hear me? I got some pretty good and Nick
Flint has listen to it. Jimal five dollars, Cowboy Defender debates the Trinity.
John Vendershoot one dollar Bryson, don't cry, It'll be over soon.
Bone Man, one dollar. I'm not reading that one John Vender schlute.
Ryson asks about Aryan's friend Saint erroneous of lying instead of lying Turbo Diesel five
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J fifty to get fifty percent off. John Vendershoot one dollar Bryson, you're
the Aryan word concept master debater bone Man five dollars. Jesus was, and
is and is to come. He was at Mount Sinai giving of the law.
Christmas trees are bad because they're astra poles. Okay, whatever, f
j one dollar j An ex Muslim Christian. A Muslim ex Christian asked me
to google is the Trinity in the Bible. He got giddy because the Trinity
is not listed in the Bible. Okay, yeah, but so what Rachel
Wilson five dollars Bryson. Is Jesus God? Yes, Jesus can be referred
to as God because he's from guy same essence and we are subject to him,
which is in Corinthians. Can I be referred to as God because I'm
also from God? Am I subject to you? Oh? So wait a
minute, is it just from God or is it also being subject? I
answered both? Didn't I though? Well? I mean, you said divinity
means from God and then you said also does well? He proceeded for quite
literally he only creature too. No, he's the only begot aside, I
proceeded for it from gone uniquely. Wait wait, bro coodn't it's gracious When
the Bible is the word begotten, that means uniquely brought. Four. Secondly,
I'm not subject to you. We are subject to Jesus Christ, which
is why first off, he's our lord and our God. But Jesus will
also be subject to the Father, which is why they're not co equal.
Even though I know the argument, oh they're they're they're they're equal and in
essence not row, which is cool. You can have that, uh,
that argument if you want it. I'm just saying I don't. I don't
have to. I don't have to believe in that BRAZILA three dollars? How
is the orthodox true? If the Dick commandments say not to make idols,
icons aren't idols? John vandershoot one dollar, Jay Body Bryson, don't cry
forty got house on the lake? One dollar Risen, You're out of your
wheelhouse. Uh, you'll never forget this orthodoxy is the end goal? Cry
three dollars? You know your slowboy loss to debate when he's spending the time
I think making back in a comment says, who cares? I've seen this
in his body language. He's acting like a child Jay sixty six rising.
Now I'm not going to say that, so keep your questions. Uh,
you know, civil prazila three dollars. Why should we believe that all has
been fulfilled? I didn't say all is fulfilled. I said that there's a
mirrored fulfillment, and I gave the example of the abomination of desolation. I
do want to response to that though, because if Jesus had already he has
already came back like a deefend the night. How is everything not fulfilled?
That's just the question I have. So parcel predatorism is the idea that there's
a mirrored fulfillment, which I said multiple times, because if you look at
the theology of the Temple in the Book of Hebrews, just described as a
symbol of the three heavens atmosphere, heaven, space, heaven, and then
the third heavens that Paul talks about God's heaven. So it has a three
tiered structure because it's a model of the universe. The tearing away of the
Temple, and say Dad, is a sign of the tearing away of this
physical cosmos at the end of the world. That's what I've been trying to
say. Oh I heard it. I just I just gonna ask something extra.
Never mind base pay Piggy five dollars. If Oppenheimer was able to weaponize
Bryson's arrogance, he could build a big bomb to blow up the universe.
Oh yeah, I'm the arroging one for sure. That's the Yeah, let's
go with that one bone Man five thirty eight five dollars comment. In the
chat, he is confusing mosaic law and the commandments to keep the law.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna read the rest of that, so I don't
know once I get done, what the law is. The laws referring to
the first five books of Moses, which includes the Ten Commandments. The ten
Commandments comes from the law. That's why Jesus literally says that in Matthew five
seventeen, like literally the first verse, and then he goes explain to you,
to explain to you some of those commandments and not every one of those
commandments and the ten Commandments. Once again, man reading the Bibles essential John
Venders shoot one dollar? Can we get a goober? In the chat?
I don't know what that is Jimbo five dollars, Bryson. If Jesus is
the only begotten son, as you say, does he share the divine nature?
If he shares the divine nature, is he not also the eternal son?
I already said that, So of course he shares the nature. He
came forth from him uniquely. So of course he shares the nature. Of
course he's the divine son. I don't. I'm never disagree with that.
But you think he's lesser? What did you say? Oh? Yeah,
he is lesser than a father, because he clearly said he was. So
I mean, don't you think something could be lesser in different senses? I
ain't know the argument, bro lesser and role not essence. That is the
argument. And if that argument makes sense to y'all, y'all can have it.
I don't, yeah, but I want to know why, because it's
not there Jesus saying my father is rather than I. And by the way,
so the way that you go about your doctrine is one verse. You
don't think that the whole of the Gospel of John tells us that. It
doesn't tell you that. It never matter of fact, John Tan does I
mean? John Tan thirty says I a father our wine. If you read
the context to it, it's not saying they're equal. All everything the father
has he is given to me. Correct, he was giving it? What
does that mean? It means he possesses the same power? How all the
works the father does? How? How does he? How does he possess
the same power? Because it's given to him, he's eternally begunnen exactly and
he and by the way, that mean he's less. I'm about think it's
why did it to you? If you go to Corenthius when they say we
will be subjected to Jesus, it literally said Jesus will be subject to them,
doesn't mean ontologically. Obviously, here we go in power this argument.
Do you understand that all of your arguments are based on only one interpretation?
No, No, that's the thing the Bible says, be careful not to
add to it. So Jesus says, my father is rader than now and
then you claim that we sense do you think do you think? Okay?
But do you think words only have one meaning? That seems to be a
recurring thing. Your argument is that it's in role, not essence. This
this is what I'm This is the argument, do you what I'm telling you
is, what I'm telling you is that's not in that context? How do
you say that? How do you know that? Once did say? How
do you know that it's not in the it can't be read that way?
You're just saying, that's not what it means. And I want to know
how you know? I never said it can't be read that way. I'm
saying. But to do so, you have to do two things. You
have to inject your belief system into that scripture and you have to add everyone
does that? Which which which I read it verbatim? I just say what
it is. I mean, text don't work. That is, you understand
text don't work that way, and it work like obviously doesn't work like that
that way in your point, it doesn't doesn't work like that for anybody.
Okay, you never thought that view? But have you never thought about that?
Hey? Bro, you want to add to the Bible? Do it
already talking about everybody reads their view into the text. So the question is
who's correct not? Do we have a Well, if Jesus says my father
is greater than that, if I tell you I'm greater than you right now?
Yeah, but just citing That doesn't tell me that you're reading is correct.
I'm asking you, how do you know you're reading is correct? What
you mean and in the Bible, this is how you do it. This
is properly exigent text. How do you know this? This? Oh?
Here we go. Now you have a principle that you rely on, and
I want to know how how do you know what's right? It's a valid
it's a valid. No, this is going back to your favor. You
can't you can't separate. You can't separate the cannon from the church. No,
I'm asking I'm not asked about the cannon. I'm asking about how do
you know that your interpretation of the text is correct? And you're saying chapter
verse context. Oh wait a minute, So now it's broader than just the
verse. I say it from the beginning context. But how do we know
that? But how do you know that your interpretation is your is correct?
And you're saying, because my interpretation is correct? Well, simple, you
see, because some things can't be interpreted multiple way. Okay, but something
can't know which how do you know which those are? I'm about I'm about
I'm about to show to you right now, if you read Matthew File seventeen
to twenty one, which I've been saying, there's only one way to interpret
it. How do you know that only the only the only way? So
hold on. So your whole case rests on this, and it's just asserting
and reasserting your presuppositions. What a nose it is because you're just saying that
it's it's the only way to read it. But I want to know how
that's How do we know that? How do we know that? Simple?
This is how you do it. I'm about to try to break it down
for you, line by line. Do not think I have come to about
as the law of the prophence its verse seventeen. I ask you to read
me the verses. I want to know you're not reading for your reading your
answer, You're not gonna understand telling me that you have the right interpretation.
I'm about to try to break it down for you, so I don't try
to ban down for you. It's not a question of you breaking down the
Texas. A question is no, it's not. But but how argument?
You have two choices right now, Either let me respond how I want to
respond, or you just to the next question. Embarrassing. I don't need
you to read me the passage because it's not answering. I'm not reading for
you. I'm reading it to help anybody that's listening understand the question is your
It's not a deflection. It's only the place because you don't want me to
do election. This is this is why I say. It's like, I
don't want you to read the text. That's not hurting me at all.
Dude. Let's just moves see there we go, we move on. Great
Palamism Inspector one dollars. Bryson's eschatology is only futuristic. Jay is arguing for
partial pretorism. Correct. Bryson was confused about that. Jay is right because
the sun will come at the end, but it's coming to destroy the temple.
Was part of that fulfillment exactly. I'm not confused about I'm not confused
about that. You think it is encouraged, so Bladiro three dollars. The
Pharisees were scandaled, scandalized because Jesus healed people in the Sabbath, told people
to carry their bed, interacted with the Samaritans. Was Jesus denying the commandments
when he did this? Um, the clear answer is no. That's why
every time somebody the Pharisees claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, just argue with
them. Not once that Jesus say, yeah, I broke the Sabbath,
because that never happened, because obviously Jesus is perfect and can't break the law.
Um. I saw men slashes common sense. But secondly, when you
made this thing, they were trying to go against Jesus. That's why if
you read the Book of Matthew or read in the Gospel, jesus entire point
to the Pharisees was to say, y'all are not keeping the commandments of God,
y'all keeping the traditions of man. That was his contention with the Pharisees.
So I mean, and then when you say that, let me tell
you something a secret. The Bible says Jesus only came for the lawshape of
Israel, and he told his apostle to not even go preest the gentiles.
That's a fun fact for you. Yeah, before he then later told him
to go preach to the gentiles. So maybe you should read the rest of
the gospel. So you could you have no idea? I know the whole
Gospels, and I quizzed myself on him, and I always get one hundred
percent of all the talking about Jim Bond five dollars. If Christ is a
creature, how is everything created through him? He is uniquely begotten. I
don't know why'all y'all sort of like adding to what I'm saying. I don't
know what you think God has? Jesus you think you're a polytheist? You
think God has there's multiple gods to worship. There's the Father and there's the
lesser God. No never, so there's partial divinity. Jesus is what seventy
five percent God? The Father's fully God? You said, no supporting it,
so he's lesser, yes, okay, so the five So there's what
eighty percent God in Jesus? Do you think God? This did? These
are Jesus words? The percentage is I don't really, you're a polytheist.
I misinterpret what he said absolutely everything tonight, and you've misinterpreted everything. And
that's why you is that why you haven't been able to prove I took one
thing out of context, like not one You've never been able to prove even
one thing gout of context. You know why you can't do why. That's
why I asked you about your You know it's funny, and I mean this
is like a fun thing. If me and you got on live stream and
we quized ourselves on the Gospels, I know for an absolute fact I will
get a high scourre to you on every single chap. You're just less dude,
Prazilla three dollars. Why is orthodox Church true when they've added and substracted.
They have not added and substracted, So I don't know what you're talking
about. It's the book, the book. It's the church that put the
bibble together based on its tradition Veronica. Five dollars. Can you experience depth
and richness and orthodoxy? If you do, you'll see God with new eyes.
God bless her mercy on you all. Thank you, Jay Constant four
one dollar twenty nine. Bryson, my heart aches for you. You are
in a self erected judaised Christianity. These theological throwdowns have been calmed, have
been calmed by our Holy Fathers. Only heresies get resurrected centuries later. Please
check out a divine liturgy. Dan Oh, We'll go ahead. We'll see
myris possibly we'll see Um, we'll see you on judgment day who's right and
who's wrong? You can have your belief system, because my heart aches for
you too. Um So I guess the only true answer todays will on judgment
day who's right and who's wrong? Damn ten dollars, Bryson. You rely
on Matthew and you trust it's on authenticity. But if those scriptures are dependent
upon the canonization that took place, that is a decision of the church,
then you don't keep the law and you do not have the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, that's just inaccurate, like I said, because before any cannon,
these are already viewed, the scriptures. So yeah, but so two years
why are we supposed to choose just because it's prior in some guy that you
don't, well, guy that you reject, he thinks it was Why why
is that the right one? The person that did a supertat claims that it
relies on cannon, and I'm just disproving that or an absolute fact that it
doesn't. Well, but that's nothing. What the cannon is. The cannon
is a decision that's made centuries later about the totality of the books. That's
not that's not what Papius is. I know that's not what PAPIs is.
What are you talking about? That's my point. Then it's not answering the
question. The question is why is that authoritative? If your criteria is not
a sufficient criteria. I just it's like fifty times. First of that wasn't
try to answer it for the fifteth time. And by the way, because
we are average, understand if you're answering, but it's not a good answering,
it's not a good answer. You understand you. I understand you're answering,
but it's not a coherent answer. It's not a hearent answer for you.
Even though you've a set that everything I said, nobody here thinks it's
a coherent answer, bro because everybody in here thinks every towards your point of
view. That's not true. We got that's absolutely change. We got doubles
so fake, I got double the audience I normally get. So at least
half of these people are from because my name is on it, not because
and by the way, your name is on it. And you think that
they came for me, They came for you know. People come because they
hate Bryson Gray. This is the reality of life. Unfortunately, Okay,
I didn't know that. Gig Fat Gigga Lobster Supreme for twenty five dollars.
God bless uh, May God grant Bryson charity three dollars. Can we get
a rap collab with Bryson and Jay? Maybe when a rendition of pay Piggy.
I don't know if Bryson has hurt my rap him. I think it's
funny. I don't know you rap? I got a joke rap? Yeah,
bro, where is this? Well? Saying Jay wrapped is like asking
if Picasso painted Jay and musical style. I'll send it to you later.
It's it's it's pretty hardcore. I'm a musician as well, and it changed
the world. He's joking around. I gotta hear. I'll save you my
rap song later. You can see if you think it's funny or not.
Okay, christ Risen three eighty nine. Bryson debates like the Muslim shauber A
Lee, with this presupposition of clear versus vague texts are assumed in a relative
sense. The terms can be used, but you have a rigid, arbitrary
application. You say some are clear, some are vague, but we don't
know essentially how you got to that conclusion. Can I respond? And actually
it's playing it this time, sure, And the best way to do this
is to try to get you to come up with a different one. So,
if some things have to be true, right, objectively true, So
Jesus say I did not come to a bouse the law of the prophets?
What are the law of the prophets? What does that even mean? What
does the law of prophets mean? Well, objectively speaking, this means the
books of Moses and the prophets from the Tonock that as an abjective truth that
everybody has to agree with. Right there, I'll the rill. Let's start
with that these have to not come to a bouge, but to fulfill that
I fulfil where a lot of people get tripped up on. But once you
go to the Greek you obviously realize what it means. And we already know
it can't mean to do away with because he just said that's not why he
can't. So these are things that you will have to agree with. I
already replied to this as well by saying that there's multiple ways to interpret this
significance, and the Orthodox Church does spiritually keep every bit of the law,
even the ceremonial commands. For example, for example, when Paul says that
you should not muzzle an ox, which is a com and in Deuteronomy,
he says, that's an an application of the spiritual principle to the right of
ministers to to in first grant ends to get paid. He does the same
thing in the New Testament. When you have the application of the Passover and
whatnot to the eucharistic liturgy. He calls Christ our passover. He's referring to
exist. So all of these principles, like not sowing two two pieces of
fabric on a garment that's mentioned in Deuteronomy, that's the same thing as Paul's
principle, but not sowing in two in a single field two seeds, which
means to not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. So I can affirm in every
bit that we keep every bit of the law, because so we interpret those
things the way the apostles do. You don't you interpret them in a low
tier, low quality, literal low quality. When Jesus now exactly what Hebrew
says, you're apostle for so. So, by the way, when Jesus
said this, here's refrying to the law of Prophets. So when Jesus was
talking, he was not refrying to Paul. Here's refrying to the law of
profits. And by the way, he conferring of his commands, including his
commands to Paul, who appeared to Paul. Jesus HM. Which is why
a lot of people take him out of contests and get him confused. If
you just misinterpreted, nothing's been taken out of context except the fact I prove
that like eight times, No, you're about you gave an artery criteria,
nothing anything. No, you gave vegue and clearer, But you don't have
any way to judy wasn't when you know that's vague and clearer, you just
it was reaffirmed If it wasn't vague this conversation, you're saying it's not,
but you don't have a way to tell us when it's clear, and when
it's vague you just say this and it is. Can ask you a question.
When Jesus said law of prophets, was he referring to the law of
Moses and and the rest of the ton? Absolutely? And I just answered
that. So that's when I'm I don't I'm talking about to answer, Are
you a don't like the answer? Right? I never I never said you
didn't answer? What are you talking about? Is that an objective truth?
That when Jesus said that, he is referring to the Law of Moses and
the rest's saying that you don't understand how it's kept. We do keep it,
but not in the way that you think. No, no, no,
you literally think got wrong. But it's okay, No, no,
I don't, y'all just like adding to the word you know, I just
want to do it. He just said, its objects. You don't have
the rest you can use. You can use that, you can extrapolate that,
you can extrapolate that to the rest of the Bible. He just admit
that it was an objective truth what Jesus was saying right there, And I
mean that's why he had to jump and say, we actually do keep the
law. And I know he doesn't though, but it's okay. I said
in minecraft one hundred dollars Bryson, do you believe in the Trinity? Also?
Uh, it's a win for Jay. Bryson has already answered that.
He says, you can believe it or not. Believe it. You want
to answer that, Um, Yeah, so the Trinity don't subscribe to the
Trinity the modern doctors know to Achilians, Trinity has some lot, has some
logic to it, but I don't completely suscribe to that either. I subscribe
to um what the Bible says, Jesus Lord. I believe in Jesus,
Son of God, Messiah on the way to the Father. I believe in
the things that the Bible casts necessary and say, if you don't believe this,
you will go to Hell. Anything extra is a philosophy that the Bible
preaches. A dast Captain, I'm not going to read that one captain,
Steve two dollars, Jay, how do you reconcile that the Orthodox Church doesn't
keep commands? Revelation twelve has qualifications. Seven day Sabbath. What about the
ceremony of the ontology and sanctity that existed prior to the sin in the garden.
I don't know what that means. But the Orthodox Church does honor the
Sabbath. If you go to any Vesper's liturgy on the seventh day, we
have every we have services every Saturday, which does honor the Sabbath. Low
tier God one dollar. No, seriously, no, I'm not. I'm
not reading that Christ has risen pro literally you can read I don't care how
I don't want to read it from my channel. Okay, it's like violation
of you know, Christ's risen like crazy, like one thirty Bryson. If
yeshiwa should be upheld as a translation, then why do the apostles write Christ's
name in Greek in the Greek Gospels? What do you mean the Gospels written
in Greek? Now Matthew maybe a little bit different according to papeists, but
it was written in Greek. Now. The unfortunate thing, though, is
his name is definitely a shoe. I mean, you can call him Christ
uh if you want to. But I think yes, Sula would be more
likely what he would have been called versus Christ. I think objectively that's true,
though, Dan ten dollars Bryson, What is the authority that you rushed
your belief on, for, for example, the citation of Matthew as part
of the Gospels or as an inspired text, Because no matter how earlier you
go before everything, the Gospels are already going around even amongst the question,
can you understand you never got this question. The question is how do you
know that it's a gospel? And you just keep saying the gospels were going
around. You never you don't understand this. It's a very answering that you
just don't. Don't. You just don't like you said, the gospels were
going around. The question is how do we know Matthew the gospel? So
let'm just want to tell you this way. The consisus, the consensus
even before any council, even before our irany, is even before him,
the consensus was that this was the gospel amongst Jewous Christians, amongst every sect
you could think of. And why why are why are we? Why are
we supposed to go with the consensus on that and not the consensus about all
of our the rest of our orthodox theology that has the consensus. Oh a
lot of your theology is just anti Bible. So yeah, but your principle,
your first principle is consensus, and now you're denying consensus. So it's
arbitrary. No, I'm talking about what arbitrary means. You know what that
means. Let me just let me have you ever quated. No, you're
not the question, don't don't answer, You're not condescending to me. You
don't help me out. It's talking about okay, Bro, you do this
all the time. Every time you debate, you do condescended things. Please
don't get in your emotions about it. Bro, you done a million to
you're not going to ask the question. I mean, look, it's all
right, Bro. You say questions. Every time you ask a question,
it takes it takes thirty because you don't answer it, because you talk too
much, because you know, you just don't. You just literally don't let
people. I don't let people filibuster. I'm not filibustering. I'm trying to
explain you to answer. I explained it eighty eight times. No, did
you you don't answer the objections? Do you understand I do answer the jackson.
You just don't wipe the distions because of your preconceived notion about what you
believe about the cannon and what the I just explain what you said arbitrary.
The funniest thing is I don't know what it means. I actually don't.
I don't think you know what it means to be arbitrary. Once again,
every time you claim I don't know what something mean, I think it's clearly
about this debate. I know Christian history for an absolute fact, doesn't And
and bro, next thing bro got talking to you is so andy. Three
dollars is the breath of God. The spirit is the spirit Numa to Davar
spirited that rule out. But yeah, could be low tier one dollar.
This is the last time Brison ever hangs out with a white person. That's
funny. Well, man, I love white people. Well, Emanuel,
five dollars, As long as you follow this broad path? Can you claim
to follow a narrow path? I don't know what that means? Well,
if you look at Matthew seven, what does the brod Path gospel texts say?
I'm just saying I don't know what he means. No, I think,
I think, I think, I think I know I might know what
he means. Somebody's responds as if I know so broad path and narrow path,
you obviously be frying to Matthew seven. And if you go to Matthew
seven, he clearly explains what this means. And then he says, many
will say to me on that day, Lord Lord, having I prophesied of
your name, having I cast out demons in your name, having I done
many mighty works, in your name, and I will declare to them I
never knew you. A lot of Christians stop right there. But the next
line, especially in the Greek, is is ye who work a lawlessness.
So the wide path is lawlessness, the narrow path is the law. Jan
vander Sleep one dollar Bryson. If Christ is of the same essence, that
means Christ is fully God. That was what I was trying to explain to
him, that you can't have part God or degrees of God. But he
just never listened to that, so he doesn't. No, I heard you.
You just once again, y'all don't listen, but continue, Well,
how do you have half God or part God? In Jesus. I didn't
say any of that. I've never made that he's lesser. Yes, I
said, he's answered that. He said wort into the Father because he said
he subportant to the Father. That ma's you question. So no, no,
I don't think you know what supported to me. I don't think you
know what the word supporting to me. If I'm subject to you, you
think it means. You think it means ontologically inferior. And I'm just trying
to I'm trying to debate, yea let's just choose. Let's just I'm trying
to figure out in what sense you can have half divinity or seventy five divinity.
That's why your possession. I've never made any of these plaims. He's
not fully God is the Father. So how much God is he? I
said, he's not equal to the Father. That's okay, So how much
God is he? He's God in the in the way that he's we are
subject to. So there's degrees of us. Can I ask a question?
So if I'm subject to you, if i'm if I'm subject to you,
am I supporting it to you? We can be equal in nature and be
in and here we go the same argument. But once this is don't care
about this debate. You can't even answer that a basic question because you're gonna
use the suggest answer the question. You're too you're too slow. You can't
answer, you can't d an answer, you don't know. Yes, Basically,
if you're set, If you're set, it's not a subject, it's
a false either. Or if you're subject to someone, are you subortant to
them? Yes? And no. You can be subordinate in a role and
not subordinate in metaficial So Jesus, it's abortant to the Father. Yes and
no, of course I'm a monarchical trinitarian. Maybe you learn about that.
Okay, then okay, then thanks Bryson. You didn't address the question of
epistemology. You affirm a kind of soul scripture, you're a judaiser, anti
trinitarian, and you never address why you don't accept the decision of the Canada
Scripture at Trolo. How do you know you're correct? Will you call me
a judaea aizer? Don't really care, it's the same question. I'm done
because don't turn into a thirty minute one. Um, you call me a
judas are you want? And I think you're a child of Satan for not
keeping the law. So but his question was, how do you know that
you have the correct epistemic criteria four things? I know that's the same thing
you asked. Told I'm being answer that questions gonna turn into the same conversation
eighty times low tier. Yeah, because you didn't answer it. You just
said your position, which is circular, which is a fallacy. Okay,
So are you are you okay with fallacies? I'm just curious, like you
think you think you can sure, okay, you can, you can,
you can, you can move forward to the low tier. God, I'm
ignoring the fact that I'm not reading that. Stop saying these this stuff,
dude, be no, it's just it's stupid stuff. Concerned citizen one dollar
U. I heard a chirp. I think Bryson needs to change the batteries
in the smoke alarm. I don't know if you mean that as a joker,
like literally, Judas he's trying. He's trying to say, because I'm
black, you didn't hear it, but he's trying to you know, you
know the joke that black people always have, um, the smoke sensors always
don't have batteries in it. It's a joke like black he would never do
that. That's at my house. That's at my house too. So no,
but to be to be fair, to be fair. Every time you
see a black person alive, you do hear that big at random times,
and it is kind of hilarious. I love when the stereotypes like come true
and white lives dreams. So that's kind of funny that person, that's kind
of funny. As I said, as I said before, and once again,
people won't be mad me when I say this. But if y'all just
simply research, just type in Jewish Christians, they have been there from the
beginning and the only criteria and qualification is to believe Jesus is the Messiah and
believe that you still have to hold to the Law of Moses. So I
mean, you man, I like to answer for that is a literal answer.
Thats a historical answer, and that's why. Okay, just continue U
slayer p. Three three dollars. M Bruson has already stated what his views
are on those things. What do you believe about the Church and the Bible?
He can merge fund of that if you want to, Oh, well,
I did explaining my view. I'm pretty much everything what I believe about
the Church in the Bible. Um, I'm just being frank. And once
again, I'm not trying to be rude because y'all saw Jaydy on my page.
I didn't treat him no bad type of way. And I disagree with
a lot of stuff he said when he was responded to my questions, I
let him get his point across. H But if I'm being frank, I
don't believe people that don't give the commandments have the Holy Spirit. Um.
I don't mean keep it in the metaphorical way. I mean keep it literally
as as a stated scripturally um. And that's my position. So I do
not believe the one body can be a group of people that don't keep the
commandment. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna be honest. Using the
term jude Isser to describe people that teach keep the commandments, I mean that
is in itself, it is not of God, period. And that's that's
my view. Even though it's an unpopular one, it is a one I
could prove with the Bible. Also, Bruyson has Yankee with with no,
I don't know what that means. Nicholas Joe on one dollar reads a book,
can't tell about the story, spews versus. I don't know what that
means. Low tier God, No, not saying that. James five dollars
Bryson, do you conduct lectures? I mean I teach about the Bible all
the time, live streams, YouTube and real life. People want to come
hang with me. But when people around me, I try to study the
Bible for real. Meaning you're not just You're not You're not just reading one
verse. You have to read a chapter and then quiz yourself on a chapter
and the goals obviously get one hundred percent on these chapter And that's how you
really understand if you know the Bible. If you take a quiz on the
Bible, ain't you get humble? A lot of people get humbled when they
first take a quiz of a chapter. They think they know they get a
hits percent on the quizs and realize they're slow. Biblically, Pete Devine,
does Bryson's group adhered to a priest, to a liturgy? Does it have
incense or an altar or any kind of thing that would connect it to the
temple in the in the synagogue? I love this? Uh far answer this
question? I uh, I love this, this this Bryson Group thing.
I think this is my favorite part of it. Bryson's Group. Um.
I mean I would say yeah, but you will say no. I mean,
so it's metaphorical. Yeah, but yeah, so double standard? Yeah
exactly? Okay, Dan ten dollars. Do you accept apocryphal books or do
you reject those which ones? Uh? Me? That's me, that's one
thing. I um, I've read them, and it's a struggle for me
because I don't, and I was just gonna make a lot of people mad.
I don't believe that a group of a group of people in it church
or bishops can decide what's Canada or not. So I checked the dates and
then I and then I'll read it and then I'll see how well it matches
up. But they can tell you what the gospels are. Okay, back
down that rabbahle um, as I said, I read. I read a
lot of the pocket books. I have a lot beside me. I read
almost everything. But um, I struggle with if if it could be considered
inspired or not, depending on what the context of it is, Dan ten
dollars Bryson, Where do you derive authority for your interpretation scripture? How do
you know that your interpretations aren't misguided? How would you, for example,
implement laying on of hands as mentioned in the New Testament chapter verse context?
And I know that because a lot of Catholics always send me this mean It's
like something like, uh, don't care. I trust the church files interpretations
over yours, um, which is fine and danny, but even they argued
over interpretation of the Bible. Um. And then people voted in a lot
of times or seems like it seems like right, It seems like Jesus might
have provided a way to solve these disputes. You think, I mean the
Torah had ways to decide disputes, right, Yeah, but so I had
ways to discide, okay. And so it was people like Moses and the
elders who judged. But Jesus and your people, people that Moses brought on.
But in your view, there's no authority in history, in church history.
I'm okay. Once again, who decides, so Jesus. But Jesus
didn't give anybody to calm down. Let me make a distinction. What they
judged on was sin. Bro When Moses may interpret the law, they decide
meters of the law. No, they didn't interpret the law, My god,
you're totally wrong. Oh, they did interpret the book and the book
in the book of the Viticus. Let's go. Let's let's use the Viticus
for as just the random as a random dame. The Viticus for is about
unintentional sin, and it shows you how to intone for that specific sin.
But these are things that was given by God to Moses. So there was
no Whatever Moses said, it went That's why if anybody went against it,
or you brought it up in one of your videos, I think you thought
about the strange fire. Then he got killed instantly. Uh, that's what
happens. God tells you what to do when you follow what God do.
Nobody was making judgments on up. Yeah, totally can basic ignorance about judgments
in the law. So literally, no idea what you're talking about. You
funny because I know for a fact I know the tour more than you.
But it's just something. I don't think you have any clue what you're talking
about, because we could take would prove this. You know, we can
say quizzes on all these things live and you could have you can have it
memorized in the Hebrew. That is, that doesn't mean you're interpreting it correctly,
because it means I know it more than you. If I get a
high scoreing you, doesn't it though, what it would mean that you haven't
memorized. But you can memorize. And by the way, this challenges to
anybody to chance. So if anybody it means you understand it. Those are
know what it means. I know. Con literally says that Moses appointed elders
to make judgments about the law. You don't know what you're talking about.
No, talking about the law means if you broke it a dit first you
need two or three witnesses broke the law or not. That's what it is.
Talking about five dollars. Can you do a rat battle? I'll concede
that to to Chryston, to Bryson. He wins the rat battle. Nectario's
ten dollars, Bryson. Different church fathers reject different books. Who cares?
If Matthew was accepted by people that you think are heretics, was accepted by
everyone already? No, it wasn't you say what it wasn't? Who are
who argues Matthew? What I'm saying is before before even papists, it was
already everybody already rand the Book of Matthews. Well, how do you know
that? You're just you just assert these things. Where's what's your evidence for
that? My evidence? And I said earlier, the way he talked about
it, he didn't talk about this if he created it or attributed the Book
of Matthew to Matthew, he talked about it. That's why he said it
was originally written in Hebrew and they interpreted the best they could. Originally written
in Hebrew, and they interpreted it the best they could. Who is how
interpreted? But why does that make it authorative just because Papia said that?
What do you mean, why do you care what Papias said? You think
he's a heretic? No, he is just there for historical reference. So
this is why you're lying on heretics for your view. So you admit it
comes from us. It's not relying on heretics. It's the same way said
Jesus. You just let me not lying, bro, you have to You
just said quiet. You just said he's a heretic. Listen, I'm not
gonna let's want to say this stuff like what is one of the evidences of
Jesus dying on the cross outside of the Bible? Did you? That doesn't
answer this question. Let's answer the question. But you gotta be quiet.
Let me finish making a point. Your points are deflections and irrelevant, not
deflections. I'm trying to say. It's hard to explain to you because you
already have a set mind. You don't understand. One of the biggest evidence
is for Jesus died on the cross is that somebody didn't even believe in Jesus,
who said Jesus was doing witchcraft, talked about how he died on the
cross. That's that has nothing to do with the cannons just just because I'm
going to paper. It's because papers don't. Nobody understand the questions that are
being I don't I do under said, you don't understand that. You talk
too much, so you don't listen. No, just talk to you.
I already sometimes I already see where you're wrong, and you're being to explain
to you where you're You don't see why I'm wrong, because you're not.
Let You've been wrong about what I've been saying a million times. That's why
you add your own interpretation. Headed person I've ever debated, well, I'm
hot, so so I don't get it straight. The one that continues interrupted
while somebody trying to answer. That's not the hard headed one. Guys,
you're answer the question. That's the hard headed one. Remember, if somebody
talks before they listen, they're not hard headed person. When someone talked you
about that's the hard headed one. You don't even remember that. That's the
hard Somebody asked you about the criteria of knowledge, Like how you know that?
And you just speed through with this machine gun stuff. It's not answering
the question because you don't understand that question. It's no, it's no reason
to even respond to you, so you can go out to the next one,
right, because you don't know what that means, right, just like
I'm just like you don't. Just like that's why, Yeah, okay,
right, so yeah, I know against I know against places I read the
Bible. I clearly know the script is more than you. But yeah,
it's because I don't understand all you're doing. Me talking about how you're you
know more than everybody else, you understand, that's just pride and pre level.
That's all. That's all you've been doing this entire time. I never
claimed no more than you. When you claim that I don't know what I'm
talking about, you're inherently claiming that you know what you're talking about, Literally
that you don't know what you're talking about. No, I'm like, I've
sold you. You don't know what you're talking about. You just make up
stuff? What did I make up? How many things? You want me
to say? Name one? Literally, give me a number and I'll say
it. Name one that I made up. Okay, beautiful, Um,
you made this claim, and this is going back to the training thing I'm
about to debate. But your claim is that the reason that Jesus said my
Father is greater than that it has to do a role, not essence that
that what you just said is something from church history. But it has no
biblical evidence. It has has evidence. Understand that it has been before evidence
because you have to interpret all of the verses to make them work. Yeah.
And secondly been shown is that can have an arbitrary standard by which you
pick and choose whichever verses you want and listen it's context. So and by
the way that the second marker ten dollars, Bryson, do you understand acts
It says that to Peter you can eat things that are formally clean and unclean.
Now they're clean. Noah, Noah doesn't. Once again, this is
literally interest. So the literal reading is what you reject, so incorrect and
correct. Do you want me to plan it to you? This is and
this is it and this might be my last question is now I'm about to
just definitely prove that no more about the Bible that was a anaforical I'm trying
to help you out. Listen, let me answer. Shut you. I
don't like to over here. You have zero self control. That was a
metaphorical all you're doing this. That was I'm just trying to help you here.
It's not shut up and let me finish. Please, I'm trying to
respect you the same I respect you on my line. You interrupt too much,
bro, and it is just down right and shut up. Shut up.
Somebody asked me a quay. Let me answer that question, Jake.
If you are you might be quiet, Let me answer the question. Are
you gonna shut up genuine questions? Are you gonna be going? Stop telling
me to shut up? It's my channel, bro, I don't care if
it's your channel. Bro, you got too much. I'm asking you questions.
You're not letting nobody answer your question. Are you don't answer? You
just run away to another time? I answered the ques. You don't how
you know you don't listen? You had ample time to make your okay.
Now, I'm just gonna ask ten. If you continue to throughout to me,
I'm gonna have to talk over you. Bro. In the in the
Book of Acts, you talk about a dream and if you go read a
dream. It literally tells you later in the chapter that it is about the
gentiles being unclean. Now, this, this one thing thing right here,
just proves my point of other y'all don't know what y'all are talking about.
And if you don't believe me, go read Asks chapter ten and you tell
me what it says. It is talking about gentiles being unclean and saying they
are not unclean. That is the entire point of Acts ten. It's literally
tells you in the book in the chapter Yo Bible, Peter Vine, three
dollars, take back our bags, Ortho, bro google it, Christianity James
three dollars, Bryson. Do you think I'm less human than my boss because
I'm subject to him? Less human? No, you're just arguing the essence
position. Um. What I said is that Jesus is subordinate to him,
which you are subbortant to your boss, and so all of you don't think
something could be subordinate in different ways. This is your argument, correct,
not in essence, but en roll correct. That's an argument. Fine,
But I'm toly is he is subbortant to the Father period, not an argument,
just stating your position, Okay, christ jo I asked him one thirty
Bryson, do you have a favorite Bible book? Uh? A lot of
them, bro Um. I stayed at the bottle a lot. I like
John. I liked the Book of Hebrews. But uh, I love the
Book of Matthew. I love Deuteronomy, I love the Book of Joe.
Um. Matthew is my favorite right now because that's what I'm quizzing my cell
phone right now. So that's probably my that's probably my Yeah, that's probably
my favorite one, right all right. So the ones that just keep asking
the same questions that we've been debating, not an expert for ten dollars,
this is another question about how does Bryson know about the authority of scripture.
Let's just move past that when we've had it like ten times, just real
quick for the other person. And I'm just being serious. I'm not trying
to say I'm trying to help you because I know it all. I'm just
telling you what the Bible says. If you go to ask ten and you
start reading after verse twenty three, bro And I'm just trying to help you,
and your pride could be what it is if you don't want to read,
I don't really care. But if you read it, it literally says
bro in the excerpt, and he said to them, you yourself know that
it's forbidden for a Jewish Man to associate with or visit a foreigner. And
yet God has shown me that I am not to call any person holy or
unclean. That is why I came without even raising it any objection when I
was sent for it. So I asked for what reason did you send me?
And if you read before that there it literally says, now He's explained
the dream for you, and this is asked ten. So again, a
lot of questions wouldn't even be asked if you just read it. A lot
of people say Trump, but I only Trump can be Antichrist because I don't
think he's religious at all, and he can't be arrogant against God and try
to change God times and law. It's like a lot of stuff that has
to be attributed to the Antichrist. I don't think it can fit him more
Elon, could they be helping the anti Christ? I mean, I would
think Biden more so. But I hear a lot of the Trump arguments and
the Elion arguments. Elion arguments makes more sense to me, but some of
the Trump stuff makes sense too. I'm just not sold on it. James
Rover a Dollar Bryson, are you aware that other esoteric groups have their exact
beliefs before him? Do you know about Rita Garret? No, that's the
first thing I don't know about. I don't know what that Orthodox monks five
dollars. Bryson brickets about knowing the Bible, and he can take a quiz
and good one hundred percent. Every heretag claims that they knew everything about the
Bible and that they were self interpreting goofuses like Bryson. I mean, that's
it's cute, and but the Bibles has played thyself approved. So I mean,
if if you're okay with no Le that's about the Bible and they and
that you have the right interpretation, I think that it's oxymoronic in nature.
But is it possible that you're wrong or not about what part in any of
the interpretations that you have? Um, that's what the Bible says. No,
But we want to say, could I be wrong about the Trinity?
I mean possible because we don't we don't really know. Uh, if that's
actually a fact a matter of fact, I mean, the church didn't even
know for a long time, so that's why they argued about it. Um.
I mean, but you could be wrong about the trenity and one is
could be true. I mean, one does seem to have they seem to
be solid too. So my favorite praiers I want it so my favorite pegs
are trenitarians. Like those positions are ridiculous. I mean, one is one
is ridiculous. Absolutely, I could literally debate you and use the one's position.
I can also do it. I think I think it's signed for you
to retire from debates and learn a little bit more. I think the only
person I need to learn a little bit more is you. But you are
very arrogant and confident, even though I clearly know more about the Bible to
you, and I just proved it would ax hand. Just if the question
is about who's correct, not who knows more so, but I am also
correct well, part of it we can't say because you over compensation for the
poor performance in the debate. It's not convincing anybody, baby, Oh,
I don't care to convince a bunch of biased people in the chat. But
I like, I literally proved you wrong. Everything I thought everybody was so
hold on, they're not coming for you. That you're saying that everybody hates
you comes to the chat, that's the only Did you not read the super
chat? Do you not see my Twitter? Orthodox and Catholic people they can't
stand me because I tweet the bats alone every Friday and the Saturday. Well
is it If you're going to act like your your audience isn't biased, that's
just being disingenuous. Just like if you came on came on, So let
me explain. If you came on my Instagram and use these same debates,
the chat will say you got destroyed. So to make a claim that your
chat claiming you one which I predicted what happened before I even because you multiple
times contradicted and committed fallacies. So I've never consisting myself once, but you
have. What about the fallacies you think you said? Fallacies are No,
I didn't. I didn't do any that. I didn't do no fallacies,
Yeah you did. Everybody saw it. So John Baker ten dollars Bryson,
do you not believe that the Church is the new Israel and the Kingdom of
God? Jesus says no, Jesus says in Luke twenty one thirty one to
thirty two that the church is the new Kingdom of God. No, and
when I say church, I mean I'm talking about the church you think is
no, because you can't be if you don't keep the commandments of God.
So no. Yeah. So in other words, everybody got it wrong,
right, No, just most of course that's neo paths. That seems kind
of arrogant to me, like nobody figured this out to tell you. No,
most people been doing this since the beginning to since the beginning of Christianity.
Most people have been doing your views since the beginning of Christianity. No,
I never said most people. I say people have said most. You
literally just said most. I don't if I say mostly not that was accident,
But I don't think I said most anyway, Pete de Vine, I
memorized a hundred of the uh digits of pie, and now I understand pie
mathematics better than everybody. Yeah, I mean the fact that you, I
mean, he's not understanding the difference between comprehending and memorizing. Its two different
things. Oh, that's an envious but it's okay. You think you think
I'm envious of you. Really, Um No, I think I think you're
arrogant, but I think it's clear I know the bibble more to you,
which is obvious. I mean, does this play well for your audience?
Just constantly talking about how much you know and how will you know it?
I don't. I don't. I'm baffled by this approach. I don't get
it. Well, you don't get it because you're arrogant, because in reality
you're the only one hand trying to help you. Wait, wait, wait,
this whole, this whole debate, you act like you know more than
me. It didn't think. Are you so disingenuous? Don't not even you
have this debate? You so dissengenuous? Brother, To be honest, you
can continue going through the super chats. Okay, Dan Bryson, do you
not think that there's some body to interpret the law that's needed? No?
Okay, Nick five dollars. I was explaining how he and other Bible only
people think if you read a book and you can recite it, then you
know the passages perfectly and you understand the book. Yeah. So I mean
you don't think this is no, it's not. It's not about reciting it.
The issue with most Christians if you actually read, just like I just
proved to y'all with dacten like objectively proved actent any the problem. I proved
that the dream was a representation of the You literally think reading something is the
no, no, no, you know it literally says that's what the dream
was. This is This is how I know y'alldn't answer any question about epistemology.
I am so glad this dacent thing happened because it proves that y'all don't
know what the crap you're talking about. But the issue with most Christians,
y'all don't read context. Y'all don't read context of what y'll be saying.
The reason why I because the reason study the reasons. The reason is studying
thyself have proved it's so important scripturally, and the reason why not even it's
not memorizing, it's really studying the reason why it's so important, because you
need to know the context. If I can recite to you the entire already
have the sermon on the Mount, that means undaddly, I'm more likely to
know the contest of someone on the mount than you are. I'm not saying
I'm not saying how much you know, Ben, It's not it's not flying
over here. Nobody buys it. You asked the question. I mean it's
okay. I mean you just want to talk about how smart you are.
You you're the no. I just a bunch on the lastem. I thought,
I thought it was so glorious to end it off like that, though,
just reading a passage is not doing anything. Man, I don't understand
why you can't get that. I told you that the scripture literally say it's
it's about the dream. I know what you think, it says, young
Bryson. Do you know the scripture is better than Satan? You better say
no, of course not, Nicholas John three dollars. There's an amazing lack
of self awareness here. That's what I've been trying to say. Three dollars
rising for three dollars. Did the CIA set this up? Yes? They
did. Thorium pion fusion five dollars. Jay, he's trying to help because
he knows the scripture is better than you. You should suff complicate about and
compromise and submit to him. All right, That's the last super chat.
Bryson is linked in the show description. If you guys want to follow him,
I'll also add his Twitter as well. I have one question for everybody
in the chat, and this will prove who's really arrogant and prifling self aware.
I want y'all to stay to Ask ten tonight and when it says now
while Peter was greatly perplexing his mind about what the vision meant, and then
it explains he what the vision means. If you do not admit that you're
round, go about asks ten, then we know who's truly prideful. This
is the difference between studying the Bible and not so much. But that's my
last statement. I'm out, all right, Thank you guys. Everybody have
a good night.