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We're back with another edition of the
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well. Today we are joined by a

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very special guest, see Van Fleet, who is out with a fascinating new

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book called Mao's America, A Survivor's
Warning. The cover of this book is

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incredible, See Van Fleet. Welcome
to Federalist Radio Hour. Thank you so

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much for having me. Absolutely now, people should go out and buy the

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book because it tells your personal story. For a little bit of a preview

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of your personal story, though,
could you tell us a little bit about

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your background, your childhood, and
how you ended up coming to America.

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Yeah, it's a long story.
I tried to make it as short as

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possible. And I was born into
the Communist China and when I was in

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my first grade, the actually I
had one semester of kind of a normal

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education. Then cultural evolution started and
my memory, it just almost like overnight

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and everything turned upside down, which
is exactly what happened to the country.

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Everything turned upside down and school closed
and for two years there was no school.

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And so I really feel for the
American kids who lost two years during

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the COVID. I lost two years, and mild cut twelve years of public

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education into ten because he did not
be leaving education. What's the use of

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it, you know, he wants
to just inductionriate us and then there's no

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need to learn anything. So my
education was ten years and two years was

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taken away from it, and so
that's really my years of being a schoolgirl.

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And it's the culture Revolution. When
I graduated from high school, that

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was nineteen seventy five. And there's
nothing for us because the revolution destroyed the

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whole country. There's no economy,
no jobs, no nothing, and young

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people. But consider problem. If
you have too many young people doing nothing

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in the city, you know,
I'm going to create in this a bit

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in work, cause problems. And
so we were got rid of we were

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sent to the countryside to be re
educated by the peasants, the young people,

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and I was only sixteen. So
I was sent to the countryside,

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and so I have to kill American. When you think about the countryside,

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don't picture countryside as American countryside,
beautiful, you know nature. Now,

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that was primitive countryside. And people
ask me how primitive. I said,

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well, pretty much stone age and
you basically were punished to do a hard

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physical labor with the peasants, and
supposedly through labor we're going to learn,

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we're going to be a better communist. So I was there for three years

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and after that more died, thank
God. And then don't you, being

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the successor, realized the only way
to revive communists Chinese Communist Party was to

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really open up and bring in capital. So one of the first things he

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did is a reopened university. Is
because universities were pretty much closed, and

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so I was able to take examination
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And after that I was given a
job teaching in a college that trains

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middle school high school teachers. And
there in the early nineteen eighties, Americans

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started coming in and the church organized
a lot of those volunteer to come to

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teach English during the summertime, and
there I met a friend, an American

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lady, and she helped me to
get assistantship, and so in nineteen eighty

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six I was able to come to
America. Yeah, okay, so nineteen

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eighty six and a lot of I
think what you were describing, imagine was

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playing out over the course of the
nineteen seventies. You imagine. You mentioned

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Mao's death, which I think was
nineteen seventy six, And yes, so

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I was actually listened to a podcast
over the summer and the cultural and realized

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how little history of the Cultural Revolution
of Mao is taught in the United States.

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I learned so much just on the
sort of service level podcast that we

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don't know about. I mean,
it's such modern history. We're talking about

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the nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties.
I'm still a survivor. I'm still here.

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Really, exactly, what do you
think it is that Americans don't understand

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or are there any particular parts of
the Cultural Revolution you think Americans just don't

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know about when it comes to the
Cultural Revolution? Okay, I think the

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Americans do not know much about communism
period, and that that is by design

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because our institutions higher education and increasingly
now public education system has been controlled by

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Maxist Marxists since the sixties. Actually, if you read my book, you're

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really it's really kind of astonishing to
see that while the China had our Culture

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Revolution nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy
six, America was having its own culture

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revolution, and with a different name, counterculture. It is the same kind

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of Marxist revolution. And so after
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counter revolution, after the Vietnam War, died down. And so those protesters,

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those rioters, those radicals, they
did not just disappear and just gave

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up. Now, they took over
the universities. They become the tenured professors.

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And I talked about that in my
book. So they had been country

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owning the institution. And because they
they train teachers, and the teachers go

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to teach in public schools. So
they train the generations of Marxists. And

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they do not want to teach UH, the horror of communism. They don't

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want to teach the evil of Marxism. That's why. And so it's by

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design. So when I went to
the London UH school board and UH and

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give that, you know, less
than a minute speech, and I compare

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CRT with cultural revolution. Many people
there in the meeting probably the first time

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heard about cultural revolution. So in
our education system we talk about slavery.

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There's no kid or very few and
know nothing about slavery. They know that.

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Not only that they know slavery,
they are taught that America is found

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in our slavery according to Zin project, Howard Zin, and according to sixteen

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nineteen that is the problem. Okay. And they know Nazi Germany, so

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they know whoever is bad Nazi,
Nazi Nazi. Yet they know nothing about

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communism and that is by design.
And the liberals or the progresses where the

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progressives we're doing it. The conservatives
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the days of the Cultural Revolution,
a lot of people picture, well we're

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seeing it more. It seems like
out of China, but these giant portraits

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of Mao around every corner, and
a country totally scrubbed of religion, what

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sort of what did it look like, what did it feel like in China

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at the time. You're talking about
religion, right, religion culture in general?

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Arts, yeah, bloody, yeah, yeah, I have to summarize

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that in this way. Communism,
Yeah, sure, it is an economics

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system and its goal is to abolish
private property, but more so that its

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goal is to abolish abolish private thinking, meaning independent thinking, meaning critical thinking.

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They want to abolish thinking. And
that's what happened to people like you

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know, to kids like me,
and that happened to generations and given today

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even today, brainwash is a tool
that they depend on in order to control

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the population. So I think this
is just uh, get that out of

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your mind. That it's all about
redistribution of wealth. That is only a

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minor part of it. The real
part is control. And what can you

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control a person? The best is
control the mind. And so during the

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cultural revolution, it's not that we
are our thoughts are controlled by the government

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that if we don't do the right
things that come to me. Now it

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comes to the point we control ourselves. We self censored. We do the

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government job because we were indoctrinated and
the brainwash of the coreerst and threatened,

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intimidated or whatever. We control ourselves, so we become the perfect slaves for

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them to rule over. And that
is the real truth about communism. And

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you mentioned earlier the American professors,
and this is a huge part of your

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book. It was a huge part
of that viral moment you alluded to when

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you went in front of the London
County Board. The parallels between what you

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saw, what you survived during the
cultural revolution in China and the cultural revolution

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that America is in the midst of
at this moment. The professors in particular

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have played a huge role here and
Chris Rufo's new book does a good job

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of so. He does a great
job of outlining how many of these professors

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that were sympathetic to MAO, if
not right and not if not outright devoted

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to MAO U ended up getting tenured
and totally being in charge of students education

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for decades. And they are in
that position where they're sympathetic to MAO here

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in the West because I think they
are alwaists maoists, right, and they

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are. We see this actually sometimes
right now with support for for instance,

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Hamas we're talking in the middle of
this war, Why is it or what

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would you say? Because they think
that true communism has never been tried,

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and that if it was tried,
it would be utopic, it would be

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a utopian it would be amazing.
You lived through this in China. What

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would you say to them? Yeah, I really, I'm glad you brought

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it up about the pro Hamas demonstrations, and I just yesterday I think I

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saw a map of where those demonstrations
take place on campuses. It's pretty much

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co two East and the West coast. The universities are of course, most

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of them are elite, like Harvard
Columbia. Okay, so what do I

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say? This is the result of
the inductrination and people say, what do

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you mean? What do I mean? As Marxism is really rooted in divisions,

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because if you control people, you
really have to divide them, and

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that's how you control. And how
do they divide people. They divide people

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by two groups, oppressors and oppressed. And that is absolutely anything they do

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so that you always have a group
of people who are deemed as the bad

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one. They are pressors, and
then the oppressed are the good one,

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the victims, And that is a
the essence of Marxism. Once you're indoctrinated

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with that, you don't need any
thinking. Why do you need to think?

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If you're an individual, you have
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issues or whatever. You are the
one to make that decision, and that

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based on your value system. But
if you're indoctrinated, you just it's black

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and white or not even black white
thinking. It's just no thinking. All

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you need to do is to deem
one per one party oppressor, another party

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oppressed, and then you support they
are oppressed, and anything you do or

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anything whoever does to the oppressor is
justified, and that include killing, raping,

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torturing, and kidnapping. That's how
that's how we see that it's the

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same people who support b men,
it's the same people who support the radical

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gender ideology, and it's the same
people who support hamas because they operate on

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the same system. But I thought
that's kind of funny because we know how

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they divide people is uh uh.
They build this intersectionality right and and depend

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on where you because everyone has more
than one identity, so it depends on

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how many times the intersect in the
in the metrics and uh and then determined,

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UH, are you're more oppressed or
you're more oppressor? But I thought

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it's kind of interesting. Just a
few days ago there is a clash between

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black UH Israelis and UH the Palestinians. I think this is going to throw

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the UH those UH radical act vision
UH. I think through them off.

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How do they determine who is oppressor
who is oppressed? I think they're going

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to have that. I call that
intersectionality misfunction. It's it's it's hard.

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I don't know who is more oppressed, because that's how you determine who is

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right and who is wrong. So
that is the sad reality of the indoctrinated

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generation. And it's not just one
person, it's a generation. And the

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look at the in Columbia, a
hundred professors signed letters to support the Students

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Organization who support a mass that's America. There's no right around. Everything depends

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on the the doctrine, oppressor,
and the press. That is what we

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live, what I live through in
China, and that's what makes their Chinese

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Red Guards go after their teachers,
go after their neighbors, go after even

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their parents, because their parents,
their teachers, their neighbors somehow ended up

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in the wrong category of being the
oppressor. And so I tell people today

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we see I think in many ways, this is an opportunity for Americans to

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see that what kind of monster we
have created? And now they're on the

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streets, and whenever they're on the
streets, they're disruptive. But I said,

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okay, today they are accepting violence, they're justifying violence, they are

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celebrating violence. And that's just only
short it away from commuting it. And

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the Chinese Red Guards did it.
They killed millions of people in the name

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Thirteen. A lot of people like
to use the term cultural Marxism, and

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in some ways now understood that before
anybody that you know you can you can,

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you have to in order to sort
of create the economic utopia, you

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have to sort of bulldoze the culture
and so on. Those points about race

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and gender and religion that you mentioned
earlier. Why is that so central here

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in America when we're looking at the
cultural revolution and it's sort of the ways

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that it may reflect Maoism and what
you saw growing up. Why are those

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radical tenets, you know, saying
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be boys. Why are those essential
From the perspective of the communists. Yeah,

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there are two types of communist revolution
and then the classic one. When

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people think about communist revolution, to
think about violence, to think about armed

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insurrection, and that's happened in Russia, happened in China, Pilba, North

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Korea, Vietnam. Right, that
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about Marxist revolution. Yes, that's
still it's still something that's being adapted.

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And but to overthrow a country like
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you know, brain would think that
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against the government, overthrow that way, and so the best way is not

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the violence, but it is subversion
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And that's where we are today.
We did not hear a shot,

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right, but our institution has been
infiltrated. We did not hear a cannon

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ball, but now our culture has
been changed, fundamentally changed. It's because

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they did not launch a violent Marxist
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a Marxist culture revolution, just like
a lot of Maudi doing the culture revolution.

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When did you first start noticing this
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you came over in the eighties,
the Reagan era, when the Cold War

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was about to end and the momentum
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and you know, you're talking about
the Loud and County stuff, which is

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very, very recent and I think
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when did you first start to say, here in the United States, there's

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a cultural revolution afoot. Well,
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did notice a lot of signs.
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And so we were told that we
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see this word, but instead we
should see the other world. We should

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not challenge this issue. This issue
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and so and we know it,
we all experienced it. But really the

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turning point is twenty twenty, when
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there. It is a full blowing
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is always part of Marxist revolution.
And the Red Guard did not just dismantle

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the statues or changed the names of
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And they eventually got violent. And
in the beginning it's kind of like here,

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it's a looting and rioting, but
even actually it becomes killing. Millions

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of people died, and we are
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are very very close to what happened, uh in America. In China.

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Yeah, that's a chilling warning,
that's for sure. I'm wondering how technology.

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So just for example, as we're
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Rand Paul was grilling Alejandro Majorcus and
FBI Director Christopher Ray on how they were

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meeting with social media companies and engaging
in efforts to perhaps encroach on constitutionally protected

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free speech with the powers of the
government. And that's in China. Right

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now where Shoot and Pitting is very
interested in sort of resurrecting the icon now

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as an icon that is, it's
a high tech dystopia. How essential this

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is technology to communists or or how
when you look at how technology has changed,

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does that make you wonder what it
would have been like if the cultural

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Revolution of the sixties, seventies and
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Oh yeah, terrifying. That would
be terrifying. And in culture Revolution

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everything was low tech, so low
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Otherwise the revolution might become more violent
and more people might die. I might

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have died. Okay. So it
was so low tech. Okay, So

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there's no social media. And so
what they did they did this called big

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character poster. So you want to
attack your teacher, you want to attack

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your principles, you write on a
big piece of paper, very big,

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I mean huge and big letters,
and you wrote them and you put on

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a wall so everyone can come over
and read it. That's the social media

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back then. And so it's during
the cultural evolution, And how did they

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mobilize all these young people? You
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it's not that effective so what about
it. It's very low tech. He

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invited all these young people come to
Beijing. He had we met with the

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Red Guards and Camen Square eight times
each time, millions of them all over

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China. And I described that in
my book. So travel was extremely expensive.

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People just pretty much leave within the
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So he made it free for the
Red Guards to travel to Beijing or anywhere

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during a cultural evolution. That's how
he motive mobilized the Red Guards. And

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so it's all a high low tech
and expensive too. Today, if you

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want to be a totalitarian, you
would love the technology, especially AI,

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and that's what chp has. He
can control every one, everyone's every move

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with It's just a button, right, So if you identified because you said

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something, you post something on social
media, you're flat. Once you're flat,

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the digital currency can be turned off. So you can't even buy food.

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now. I think a lot of
people see the direction of the country and

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feel like it can't be stopped.
That were the snowball has rolled too far

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down the hill. But I want
to ask you, you know what we

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can do? And I want to
ask that specifically in the context of this

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question of sort of there's the left
would really like to put government in control

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of everything of our family lives of
you know, if someone's a mom or

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a dad, that unit, they
want to make that a public affair rather

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than a private affair. And so
even in people's own family lives or people's

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everyday lives, maybe they're not involved
in politics, Like what can we do

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as a society people who love America, we love freedom, to ensure that

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the snowball stops rolling down the hill
here. You know, there's a Again,

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we're talking about decades of the progressive
work and we just started to fight

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back. But one of the things, and I talked about in my book

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as well, is the reason that
America becomes what it is today is the

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Christianity has been under attack and the
churches has been under attack. So many

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young people left their faith and they
have no moral campus. That's why they

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can just use this simplified, no
thinking involved doctrine to determine what's right,

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what's wrong, oppressor versus oppressed.
So I think the first thing is really

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really read our churches and rebuild our
families. I think I'll put church first

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because without faith and the family is
very hard to survive. But also in

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their families, family and church,
I mean yeah, family and religion are

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the goals for the Marxist to destroy, and it is clearly decleared in Communist

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manifesto. They want to abolish private
property, abolish religion, and abolished family

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and for good reason. That's how
you destroy a society. So it's all

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hard work. It's not something we
built overnight, but that's where we should

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spend our time and energy on.
And then of course, education, we

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have to take back our school.
We have to stop the indoctrination, and

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we have to deprogramming. Using the
Hillary Clinton's word, we have to deprogram

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those kids who have been programmed with
this Marxist ideologist. So there's a lot

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of work. I would say church, family, and school probably the most

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important area that we should spend our
energy and time on. Well, this

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has been an incredibly helpful conversation.
The book people should absolutely go and buy

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it. It is out today.
It's called called Maus America, a Survivor's

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Warning. You've been listening to she
Van Fleet, who's the author of that

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book, and it's someone who's working
you absolutely must follow she Thank you so

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much for joining us. Thank you
so much for this wonderful conversation. Absolutely,

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you've been listening to another edition of
The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily

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Dashinski, culture editor here at the
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Until then, be lovers of freedom
and anxious for the friend. You

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got me right, well, you