WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:06.679 This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of the nb A. 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:11.480 Welcome everybody, or tune to the baseline. Kylie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button 3 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:15.199 topics of the NBA. And if you were down with us for our conference 4 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.359 previews, you know obviously can see we are punching the clock or burning at 5 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:24.359 midnight oil. It's our coveted autopsy reports. And man, we got a 6 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:29.160 quadruple body body bag going on. Man, oh my god, lay them 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.879 all out in the slab. Man, it's it's it's that time of the 8 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.280 year, broum. We have to basically, man, we gotta put in 9 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.280 that over never worked. You gotta put in that work, my man. 10 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:41.399 Mister warren Shaw ripping out of Fort Laudada, Florida, I mean we can't 11 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.119 even do long intros, man, we gotta we got a body up fourteen 12 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.719 out. Man. If we gotta go, we gotta skate. We gotta 13 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:51.880 run per week in the playoffs, us on overtime themselves. It was like 14 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:57.439 shopping everybody on the shoulder to undertake our music. We need some Undertaker music, 15 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.079 would you Kane or am I undertaker? Am my undertaker? You can 16 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.920 I don't know, like I'll go Kane, I'll go Kane, You go 17 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.680 Kane because you want the red fire coming up. Listen, for those of 18 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.159 y'all who've been down with us throughout the course of the last month or so, 19 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.319 Man I covered it Autopsy Reports, we'll be talking about the teams who 20 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.319 have been ousted, what's their future gonna be, like, what's been going 21 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.879 on, and it's been awesome. We've been getting great feedback on it. 22 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.239 And obviously, you know a lot of the teams that we'll be talking about 23 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.359 today or the teams have just been recently exited out of the NBA playoff picture. 24 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:36.920 So this week's Autopsy Reports will be covering the Suns, the Knicks, 25 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:41.359 Warriors, and the Sixers specifically in that order. As always, we appreciate 26 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:42.319 you and yours for hopping on board with us this week. Be sure to 27 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:46.560 get my man shaw Ashaw Sports NBA Get at Me Again basically the show's Twitter 28 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.680 handle at NBA basedline available on all the major platforms you know where to find 29 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:55.040 us. Also go to www dot nineteen media group dot com to check out 30 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.840 our show and the litany of other shows that are out there. If you 31 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.760 want to catch this and all the previous episodes and autopsy reports that we've been 32 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:05.719 doing, including the conference previews, be sure to go to www. Dot 33 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:09.520 the Baseline, NBA dot com, so seaw let's not waste any time with 34 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:17.719 it. Autopsy report first on the slab Phoenix Suns. This team got exposed 35 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.280 and that's probably putting it nicely by the Denver Nuggets. And while I don't 36 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.120 think anything needs to be made about only them losing the way that they did 37 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.639 to the Phoenix Suns, I think we obviously saw a team so desperate to 38 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:40.120 try and replicate what they gave us a few seasons ago that it's hard to 39 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:46.800 imagine what what this team is going to look like now with everything that's been 40 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.759 committed. With the roster as is currently constructed, the roster, let's use 41 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:59.280 that word very very lightly. Well, do you want to use roster or 42 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:05.520 roster right like I'm saying, because like you may have to actually you may 43 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:10.520 actually need to be on something in order to come down from the from the 44 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:15.960 high the Suns. The Sons have six players next year, two of them 45 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:20.599 were non guarantees, and Campaign and Chris Paul are two of those guys. 46 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:28.439 Uh So I don't know. I don't know. You stripped the roster uh 47 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.439 to acquire Kevin Durant age thirty four coming up from the pulled increase, but 48 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:35.919 still all the same talent, paramal law inside Booker and there were times there 49 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.000 were flashes in the playoffs who it looked like, damn, those guys might 50 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.759 be able to get it done. Um, but I'm going to fast forward 51 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.800 here, obviously to Game six against the Denver Nuggets, no Chris Paul, 52 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:53.120 no DeAndre and they get land based. To me, I'm looking at it, 53 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.919 and I'm framing it differently from the embarrassment that was last year against the 54 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.520 Dallas Mavericks. That was a beat failure and let down, but this one, 55 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.520 not to say is excusable, but they were down and yet and now 56 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.319 the starter eight and had played every game in the series except for that one, 57 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.560 and Chris Paul obviously had missed, you know, from from Game two 58 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.240 until that one as well. To run with that cast of having campaign be 59 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.680 out there and Tory Craig and and Damien Lee and TJ Warren and a Koge 60 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.879 and guys like that, that that's just not where you want to be as 61 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:30.199 as a roster. So Monty Williams becomes the latest victim of cancel coach culture 62 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:35.560 in the NBA. And I understand the black and white of what happened, 63 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.879 but to me, the parameters of this here are different from last year completely. 64 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.279 But if you want to roll it all in a ball and say cool, 65 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.079 he's the guy. Now he's the scapegoat. Fine, if you listen 66 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.800 to a World report, it should be has come in and has kind of 67 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.439 graded and fought against Monty Williams from the time he's been there since I guess 68 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.480 February, and now James Jones's role is being reduced something it should be is 69 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.439 basically running the team and not James Jones. As as as a general manager, 70 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.319 I don't know how it's gonna go. And we saw how that went 71 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.920 for Cuban. I think at times when he was in Dallas and he was 72 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.879 trying to really have his hand in all of the decisions that that usually goes 73 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.399 a little bit left. Yes, you got Kevin Durant, but again you 74 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.800 you gutted the roster. And I'm sure he's willing to pay whatever he wants, 75 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.759 but they don't have the ability to just say, yeah, let's just 76 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:28.040 run this back and see what happens and what we do in terms of continuity 77 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.240 next year. And now I got to bring a new coach into this as 78 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.680 well. Um, for me, Phoenix is uh, it's it's it's a 79 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.680 sad story because this is a team that was in the NBA Finals a couple 80 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.399 of seasons ago, had a two old lead. Maybe they're taking that in 81 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.279 the account as well too and saying that maybe he can't get it done, 82 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.879 get it done in big moments. But you know, it sucks to see 83 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.720 money Williams goal because you know, we like him on the baseline. But 84 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.959 ultimately the Sun, the Sun's team is flawed, but it's not all his 85 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:55.800 fault. Yeah, so the Sun's team is flawed. It's not all his 86 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.680 fault, but he does he is very culpable for how do I put this? 87 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:10.399 The lack of versatility that he was he was incapable of exhibiting and the 88 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.439 most critical times. Okay, Now I got to parse that out because the 89 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.000 players go out and they play this game. But that's not what the excuse 90 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.879 should be, right in justification, In the justification of firing Monty Williams, 91 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.759 you just don't fire a head coach who has arguably gotten this Phoenix Suns team 92 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:36.639 two how many times in the playoffs now four years consecutively, right, three 93 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.240 years, three years in the row, three years in the row? Was 94 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.600 it was he was he the head of the bubble season. They didn't make 95 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.000 the playoffs and then they came out was like the first season three years and 96 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:54.519 but bubble season, it felt like they were playoff they were playoff worthy, 97 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.759 right, yeah? Remember, and everyone was like, oh, they're the 98 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.399 bubble dogs. Were playoff worthy and and and we want to give money Williams 99 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.879 his flowers for that, because you looked at that roster and you were saying 100 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:11.279 to yourself, the hell, like, there's nobody going to take notice that 101 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.720 this team is actually a good basketball team, and you fast forward now to 102 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.560 what took place here. To me, I'm gonna put more than onus on 103 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.519 James Jones on this, Okay. And I'm not saying this because I don't 104 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.920 like James Jones. I've loved a lot of the moves that James Jones has 105 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.560 made, and I obviously understood I think he read the writing on the wall 106 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.959 like this was probably his last all in move that he could possibly make to 107 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:42.000 even give any indication that he wanted to see this Phoenix sunse team go all 108 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:47.759 the way. But my problem has always been in the type of roster that 109 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:54.079 you have. If you'd lean into heavily, do you have enough on the 110 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.199 back end to be able to help execute what you're probably not going to be 111 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.720 able to get from even your best players through the courses that of the rest 112 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.319 of that season. Right if this was a move that was made at the 113 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.199 beginning of the season, Shaw, how likely would we have seen will we 114 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.279 be talking about the Phoenix Suns at the way that we were talking about them 115 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.319 going through what they were. Remember they were they were a below five hundred 116 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:20.399 team before they had basically made that move. They weren't exactly like you know, 117 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:22.199 head and shoulders, one of the better teams or anything like that. 118 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:28.399 Everybody knew something probably had to be done to this roster because it just wasn't 119 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.560 It just wasn't working out, which is part of the reason why, you 120 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.720 know, you could have questions about whether or not Minie Williams lost the voice 121 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.200 in that locker room in some degree in some respects, you know what I'm 122 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.720 saying. But even adding Kevin Durant to the mix. I just felt like, 123 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.360 as much as I wanted to buy into the level of dominance that could 124 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.799 potentially be for this team, I didn't think it was good enough dealing with 125 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.639 the type of teams that they were going to be surrounded by, even if 126 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.799 they did get into the playoffs. I just think it's too daunting of a 127 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.360 task and I just don't have that confidence that I had like two years ago 128 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.000 when they did make it to the finals and had to play against the Milwaukee 129 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.879 Bucks, about whether or not they've got it in them to run it through 130 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.879 the way. People potentially keep trying to say that they saw within these guys 131 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.639 just with the small sample size of games that they played, I just wasn't 132 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.799 completely buying it. And it's just interesting to me because again, if guys 133 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.279 don't come in with the same mentality, with the same quote unquote level of 134 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:26.240 desperation about what they're trying to do, what they're trying to achieve and accomplish, 135 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.039 it could go. It could go sideways real quick. And we're not 136 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.799 gonna say that, We're not gonna talk about that, but that's exactly, 137 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.519 in my opinion, what happened here. That's as great as Kevin Durant is 138 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.919 what that team needed, what that team ultimately required, they never had it 139 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:48.279 because either Chris Paul was injured or he wasn't playing at that level that he 140 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.320 gave you three years ago, you know what I'm saying. So, like 141 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.720 a lot of this, it to me comes down to, well, where 142 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.720 you get that. You're gonna get that from Damian Lee. You're gonna get 143 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.200 that from from Jessica Kogi, you know what I'm saying, or Tory Craig 144 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.720 or whoever else was on the roster at that time. None of that was 145 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:11.840 happening, and it all bore fruit when you saw Devin Booker and Kevin Durant 146 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.759 get stymied by a good deep basketball team like the Denver Nuggets and a lot 147 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.360 of other teams that the Phoenix Suns would have had to go through if you 148 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.519 ever thought that they were going to get to an NBA finals. So because 149 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.720 they have multiple teams to get to I'm not going to go into the full 150 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.720 maybe assessment here, but I think something has to happen with DeAndre Ian. 151 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.440 I think they need to move and that was and that it tim again to 152 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:41.080 me, is a mistake. Resigning eight I just to me, But now 153 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.840 that they have him, I think they need to basically try to trade him 154 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.240 for multiple guys because you have to fill out the roster of the guys that 155 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.679 are going to be actual free agents. Tory Craig, Darius Beasley, Bismack 156 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.320 Byambo, Damien Lee, Josh Kogi, TJ Warren, Jack Londale. How 157 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.799 many of those guys it's Wainwright. How many guys do you want to actually 158 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.840 bring back and pay a significant luxury tax money for maybe two of those guys. 159 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:05.759 I think Landale is probably Landale has earned his right to be on this 160 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.080 roster, so you bring him back to some degree, maybe Damian Lee, 161 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.320 maybe a Kokee, maybe even t J. Warren, but he probably wants 162 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.000 to go get a bag somewhere. Um To me, Aighton is an obvious 163 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.720 move. You try try like hell to move him and see if you can 164 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.480 get you know, a big that can help you, and then maybe two 165 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.120 or three other parts because you don't really have draft equity now as a result 166 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.159 of Kevin Durant trade, they will try to kick the tires on the Chris 167 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.000 Chris Paul trade. Don't think there'll be any takers there at sixty million dollars 168 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.600 at thirty years over the next two years, again not guaranteed money, so 169 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.279 they could try to buy him out, But then where does that leave you 170 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.240 out with? With nothing there and one less roster, one less roster guy 171 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.960 on you on your team. So to me, it's it's it's Booker. 172 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.759 Sorry, it's eight in that you try to move hope KD stays healthy and 173 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.759 you fell out the rest of this roster otherwise, and you're already one hundred 174 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.039 and sixty five million dollars right well to six guys. Well here, well, 175 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.960 here's my thing. Whoever you're gonna bring in as the head coach is 176 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.159 gonna is gonna have to really evaluate on and what tempo or style of offense 177 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:07.000 does this team play at its most effective and its optimal level. I really 178 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.519 think whoever the next coaches should be needs to be unafraid and unabashed about the 179 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.879 idea of possibly having Chris Paul come off the bench. And I know that 180 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.519 sounds foolish, and I will say that now. Well, what I'm saying 181 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:26.200 is is that they need somebody to elevate their ability to move up and down 182 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:33.039 the court more effectively. Right um to allow Booker and Durant. I there 183 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:33.960 is to me, there's more fluen. Now, whether you want to, 184 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.120 Hey, maybe you insert Cameron Payne if you believe that that's the dude, 185 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.559 fine, No, But that's what I'm saying. They have to make a 186 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.720 decision or a choice about what version or if it's gonna be, you know 187 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:50.399 what, move Devin to the point. But at some point the idea I'm 188 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.720 not what I'm trying to say is you can't have Chris Paul, Devin Booker, 189 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.080 and Kevin Durant on the court at the same time and expect to win. 190 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.360 Chris Paul can't stay on the court enough. And obviously Chris Paul and 191 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.039 the way that he plays, I think is counterintuitive to the way that Booker 192 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:11.519 and Durant are and their ability to get open and get shots and open up 193 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.080 space for the floor. I think it makes Chris Paul an anomaly, so 194 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.480 to me. But again, it's gonna come down to the head coach to 195 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.720 day higher now since they've now gotten rid of Montie Williams, because I think 196 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.720 Monty Williams may have probably taken the off seas to figure out a way to 197 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.279 implement that with Chris Paul. But to me, it'll always be Chris Paul 198 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.720 not being healthy or Chris Paul really not being in the requisite shape for the 199 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.399 way that Booker and Durant need to play for the Sons to have the kind 200 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.720 of offensive scoring efficiency for necessary for us to believe in their dominance. Well, 201 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.200 and and again, I think your point is is very valid about the 202 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.559 coaching situation. So again, if I go back to Monty Durant was healthy 203 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.360 for what eight nine games in the regular season after they acquired him, that's 204 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.240 not enough time. Yeah, he's plug and play like anybody else, but 205 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.679 it's not enough time, especially when Chris Paul goes down and then DeAndre eight 206 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.519 misses your last game as well. I'm sure money wanted at least one crack 207 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.840 at this, one full crack at it with whatever roster to just to try 208 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.120 to get the continuity at the top of the roster in place, and that 209 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.399 just didn't happen. So ultimately Phoenix bows out here with lots of questions when 210 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.399 it goes it comes to the offseason, not a whole lot of draft equity, 211 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:18.519 if any at all, and already one hundred and sixty five million dollars 212 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:24.679 and committed sally with just six guys on contract, outlook is looking like what 213 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:28.759 for them next season? Shaw? I mean, it just depends. Now 214 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.320 Again, it's funny you mentioned James Jones, because if you believe the world's 215 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.440 report, if Jones feels like he's being undermined in some capacity, but does 216 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.440 he just walk off the job? So are they looking at now a general 217 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.200 manager or pleasure in the basketball operations, whatever you want to call it. 218 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.000 And the coach. You know, we have the draft lottery coming up, 219 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:46.320 We have the draft coming up here in a month, and that of itself 220 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.080 too. A lot needs to be figured out, you know. So that's 221 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.759 what I'm saying. It's it's kind of very much in flux. And anytime 222 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.279 we do an octopsy report and now one of the main pieces in terms of 223 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.559 like the coach has gone, it's hard not to figure out what the team 224 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.240 is going to look like in the following season because you don't know what the 225 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.639 strategy of that coach is. So we are kind of like headless here or 226 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.399 a boat without a rudder, as I say, don't know what directions are 227 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.559 heading in. But they need bodies, what types of bodies? That's going 228 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:15.279 to be dependent on who they hire as a head coach. All right, 229 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.039 man, you're tuned to the baseline. Callie warren Shaw discussing the hot button 230 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:24.120 topics of the NBA are coveted autopsy reports. We body up those teams and 231 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.559 get right into the heart of it, examine and exhume. All right, 232 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.080 coming up, we're gonna be talking about the New York Knicks. And with 233 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.080 the New York Knicks, what is their future going to look like? Especially 234 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.519 after getting outsted into semifinals by the Miami Heat. You don't want to miss 235 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.360 out on that. 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Next on the Slabshaw, 250 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.440 the New York Knicks, fifth best team in the Eastern Conference, made it 251 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:52.600 to the Eastern Conference Semifinals, got knocked out by the Miami Heat. But 252 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.720 you know, if you are a New York Knicks fan and I and I 253 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.879 often say this because I often feel like New York Knicks tend to be very 254 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:07.400 very like now is everything needs to happen. Now is very spoiled in some 255 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.839 regards. I take this season as an even more positive season in the season 256 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:18.559 that they showed us two years ago right where it looked like to what many 257 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.000 people believed, is that they overachieved because the following season they obviously struggled mightily. 258 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:30.480 It's amazing to me that even after the effort that you got, while 259 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.200 all of the praises about Jail God, Jail Brunson, that's he's the dude, 260 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.160 and you know, like, oh, that was the smartest move made. 261 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.519 And you know what I'm saying that you know, forget you know, 262 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.240 uh, Donovan Mitchell and all of that stuff. We need to trade Julius 263 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:51.160 Randall. And I'm just sitting here saying, my god, can can you 264 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:56.880 at least acknowledge that you had a good basketball team that competed and arguably was 265 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.160 two games away from maybe even going to the Eastern Conference Finals. You really 266 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.720 had no business even being even in that level of the conversation. And it 267 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.400 wasn't because they lucked themselves in doing it. They earned it, Man, 268 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.960 The Knicks earned this opportunity for us to talk about them in a good way, 269 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.880 Shaw because they've got some good players who can actually get better, not 270 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.799 worse. They can actually get better. And shouldn't that be the focus of 271 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.920 conversation for a team that had forty seven wins, got to the Eastern Conference 272 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:33.240 semis, and arguably gave the Miami Heat a run for their money. Knicks 273 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.720 don't like to have nice things. Oh man, damn it. Listen. 274 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.680 I will say I was a little surprised that they handled Cleveland in the way 275 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.200 that they did. I thought that was gonna be a longer series, and 276 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:45.279 I thought it was a pick them, to be honest with you, not 277 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:49.960 surprised that they be in Cleveland, but they handled Cleveland and to dispatch them 278 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.960 in five games. And I'm sure they felt like they were the better team, 279 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.039 and as many teams are probably felt so far against Miami Heat. They're 280 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.319 more talented top to bottom, but they didn't have the requisite you know, 281 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.039 um fifty will And while there's some question about whether how healthy Randall actually was, 282 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.680 you know, he came back and he was on the floor. Then 283 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:10.319 once you're on the floor, you know, listen, all bets are off. 284 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.319 Nobody wants to hear that you're you're banged up or your bruise like you're 285 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.440 out here. And then if you can't play it, then don't play at 286 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.480 all. Um. And now you're seeing you know, burning jerseys and tearing 287 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.759 down his posters, and now we're back on that again. Um, after 288 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.559 what Wilson all a type season from the guy. You know, it's just 289 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.200 if I like, you know what, man deuces, I'm like enough with 290 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.680 you people like straight up and down. You know what Julius Randall is is 291 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:41.079 an offensive version of Charles Oakley. And I don't see them burning Charles Oakley 292 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.680 jerseys. You know what I'm saying. But do you think Charles Oakley was 293 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.880 gonna go out there and give you twenty five freaking points a game? You 294 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:51.480 know what I'm saying that, I mean, it's amazing to me. I'm 295 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.039 not saying that I'm fawning over Julie. I like Julius Randall, I really 296 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.079 do. I genuinely liked him, has always liked him when he came out 297 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.400 of Kentucky, and I don't think he's ever really he gotten a fair dig 298 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.960 you at times. Shaw, Have you even said, you know that guy 299 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.119 Randall? That boy chucks up shots. He's a ball hall and rightly so, 300 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.839 you know what I'm saying. But he gave the New York Knicks an 301 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:17.079 opportunity, a window for them to make the kind of moves that they've made 302 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:18.680 to put him in this position, and we're not even giving him that kind 303 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.559 of credit. It's just like, it's amazing, he's not the reason. 304 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.319 He's not the reason they lost this. Yeah, exactly. Fibbs also was 305 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.519 a little bit stubborn, obviously had a run guy since the ground and that's 306 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.920 neither here or there. But the team, especially in this playoff run versus 307 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.519 Miami, specifically lack shooting. And then there's some people was like, well, 308 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.079 at some point, you at least have to dust off Evan Fournier, 309 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.799 who you're paying, you know, eighteen nineteen million dollars a year to at 310 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.599 least give it a chance. I'm not saying he's the answer, but you 311 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.799 gotta give him a different LOSSI you gotta counter Exactly, there was there were 312 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.480 more moves that Eric Spoelscher made that even if they did or they didn't work 313 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.200 out, there were still moves being made. It still changed the look or 314 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.319 the dynamic of the way that the New York Knicks had to play, whether 315 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.000 it be offensive or defensively. And I think that's what it boils down to. 316 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.960 Fibbs is so defensive minded that he didn't want to take the risk of 317 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.480 forty again and exposed defensively in any capacity to even give him a chance to 318 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.720 come out there and shoot some three balls, and you alluded to it, 319 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:26.000 I think you know earlier on another show with clickly quickly being out the last 320 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.440 two games, that just limited their offensive options so so so much. And 321 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.480 while again he's not the end all be all savior as well too and you 322 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.640 just needed more options offensively. So that's what makes it more a little bit 323 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.519 of an indictment for me that Bibbs didn't try to at least search down the 324 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.000 little bit the bench a little bit further and say, all right, forty, 325 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:45.559 let me give you four minutes. See what you can do for me 326 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.440 if you can knock down a couple of shots, and if you fail, 327 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.599 you fail. But now that's just kind of a bullet you've never shot. 328 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:53.839 It just kind of stayed in the chamber and ultimately you get dispatched the six 329 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.240 games and you know, hey, shout out to Jalen Brunson. He nearly 330 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:00.640 brought them back. The Knicks had a chance to win game six, and 331 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.599 again you never know what happens in the games, having especially on your home 332 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:04.920 floor. But we didn't get to that. We didn't get to that. 333 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:11.519 But I want to actually really talk about someone who I really think I don't 334 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.279 want to say the ire should be be focused on him more, but I 335 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.799 really feel like if now, if there's ever a question of what moves can 336 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:26.160 possibly be made by Leon Rose in improving this basketball team, I think now 337 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.559 is the opportunity for you to really evaluate and say, where does RJ. 338 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.400 Barrett fit on this roster? Where does he fit on this team? Let 339 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.440 me tell you what I mean by this, Shaw, The moment that Emmanuel 340 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:41.440 quickly went down is the moment that RJ. Barrett needed to step up and 341 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:47.279 utilize his point guard skills to help offset or take the burden off of Jalen 342 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:52.400 Brunston, who is constantly getting throttled by traps and double teams. You know 343 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.920 what I'm saying. By the Miami Heat and that to the credit of Eric 344 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:02.319 Spoelstraw recognizing that they didn't have another primary ball handler, that that that that 345 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.720 the Knicks could rely on. To me, they were so focused like Knicks 346 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.160 fans are so focused on Barrett shooting the basketball. Damn it. Barrett's ability 347 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.440 to dribble, penetrate and allow Jalen Brunson to move around and get open. 348 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.559 They could have had a two man game going, but you can't do that 349 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:23.240 because RJ. Barrett is limited in his abilities to play the game of basketball. 350 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.039 It doesn't have to be in playoff basketball. This is what you saw 351 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.000 through the course of the season. And while he scored almost twenty points per 352 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.920 game, a lot of that is full gazing man. A lot of that 353 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:37.039 is more because of Jalen Brunson and his ability to give RJ. Barrett the 354 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.480 opportunities. But what we have seen time and time again is where we thought 355 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.960 that there was versatility that was there, having a guy like RJ. Barrett 356 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.519 on this roster, I think has become a liability. And now you have 357 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.160 to wonder, with the dynamic that Jalen Brunson does give you, and you 358 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.599 have Josh Hart and you've got a manual quickly, what role does RJ. 359 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:02.240 Barrett truly play for this Knicks batsketball team if they're going to take the next 360 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.680 step, Because I think there is opportunity there where you can either put somebody 361 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:10.240 in that can give you what clearly RJ. Barrett is lacking, or you 362 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:14.599 really have to seriously hone in on him taking this offseason to be able to 363 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.519 do the requisite things to make him a better basketball player that the Knicks are 364 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.279 gonna need if he's gonna still be on this roster. I'm just gonna parse 365 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.920 it out by saying, ARJ Barts twenty two years old. So yes, 366 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.960 I understand that there's still plenty of time for that happened, that his extension 367 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.440 kicks in next year. And while while he may not be the hero they 368 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.480 wanted and even the hero they needed, I think in this series there's still 369 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.440 room for him to become that guy down the line. I don't think the 370 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:42.440 Knicks are going to give up on him just yet, but You're right, 371 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:47.119 he has homework to do. And I'm not really picking on his play as 372 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:49.839 much because he gave him twenty He shot thirty seven point eight percent from the 373 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:53.039 three point line and even in the series, so I think he was fine, 374 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.160 but he wasn't able to elevate. And I think that's what you're looking 375 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.440 for, looking for that guy to be able to elevate the team. Actually, 376 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.319 when when Randall this question and Brunson, which is getting double, did 377 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.240 you want to see Josh Hart to be a primary ball handler for the New 378 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.200 York for the New York Knicks, right, I mean we we know that, 379 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:11.839 but that leads to right exactly, you know, and so to me, 380 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.359 your your best ball handler was RJ. Barrett when you didn't have Jalen 381 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.039 Brunson, that suddenly went away. I disagree with that. I don't think 382 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.440 r J is as good off the bounce as you may may think he is. 383 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.880 I'm just saying the rest of the roster that was available to you, 384 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.480 right, like like Julius Randall was not one hundred percent? Okay, all 385 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.079 right? Who else? Who else are you gonna who else on that roster 386 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.039 that you're gonna say that I want I want to get the ball off nobody 387 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.480 else to handle, right saying so that, but that's I don't know that 388 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.960 because there's nobody else's handle you just now you say, okay, well Barrett, 389 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.640 do that. It's different from what we're saying before in terms of like 390 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.640 you're like you're lacking shooting, so you're bringing forty eight to do what he 391 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.519 does, Like he's supposed to be a shooter. RJ. Barrett is not 392 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.279 supposed to be a playmaker, so try to make him one in the playoff 393 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:57.640 situation, I think is tough. Now there are some out there and you 394 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.480 didn't go this route, so you know, maybe a little surprised, but 395 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.960 there are something out there. I was like, well, if you didn't 396 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.039 dust off every Evan Fournier, why aren't you at least dust off Derek Rose. 397 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.200 And Derek Rose is doing interviews with seams and saying, hey, you 398 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:11.839 still got more to give, so forth and so forth. He has a 399 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:18.720 team option next year. I can't even put Maybe he wants the dollars put 400 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.119 this on he come back, so then we do put this on tips, 401 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.680 right, Like, why could you have not been confident enough to at least 402 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.839 give run Derek Rose out to try? You have to you just you have 403 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.480 to try. And I think you know, and i'mbey were being a little 404 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.400 hard because they almost pulled out Game six. They really did. Brunson had 405 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.559 that late turnover, you know, trying to hit Julius Randall in the lane 406 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.359 when he had Josh Hart clearly I opened on the wings. But he didn't 407 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:47.559 trust. He didn't trust his former villanova, no teammate to make that's hard 408 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:49.759 to like to to fuss at Brunston, who played a massiful game in that 409 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.720 and the other one right right, But but in all fairness, he didn't 410 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.599 get help from from from his guys. Right, the same guys that are 411 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.279 camping out there did not come out leak out to give an outlet to Brunson 412 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.799 once he tried to, you know, just squeeze through the trap, because 413 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.079 he knew he was gonna have to go into that. They knew he was 414 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:08.680 gonna wind up running into that trap. He knew he was gonna wind up 415 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.039 in that trap. It was gonna be one of two things. Wherever it 416 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.720 was cutting to the basket had to get there early enough. Julius Randall obviously 417 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.759 wasn't right, and so if that was the case, Brunson should have had 418 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.160 the outlet to be able to kick back out to the opposite side, you 419 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.400 know, move it back over to the to to to the to the weak 420 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.160 side. He couldn't do that because there was nobody there. Now I'm not 421 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.039 I'm not, I'm not I remember not finding anyone. I'm just saying, 422 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.880 but the fun of that cog so he wouldn't have had a lane to kick 423 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.519 to the weak side. He had to keep his strong side and that's where 424 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.279 heart was. No, so he wouldn't need to pass backwards as opposed to 425 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.839 trying to pass, you know, you know where he could actually see you 426 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.200 face him because the lane was called there was only like three four guys. 427 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.559 He didn't win that lane. But again I said, we're nitpicking the one 428 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.519 play and Brunson was maskedful Otherwise at the end of the day, there needed 429 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.160 to be more options available to the Knicks to try to pull out that series. 430 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.039 So as we as we afoorge ahead, you know again, Top and 431 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.039 Emmanuel quickly, Quentin Grimes, all those guys are back, you know on 432 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.720 deals that you know, the Knicks I have to figure out the next year 433 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.799 whether they're going to next end. But this team is probably going to come 434 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.799 back almost in its full capacity. You could figure they're probably gonna try to 435 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.400 trade aermon Fournier, maybe they don't pick up the team option on Derek Rose, 436 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.039 but the rest of it seems pretty pretty assured like that that's going to 437 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:22.200 come back. Hartenstein, I think was a god send for them in a 438 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.599 lot of ways, played big, big minutes for them when he was there. 439 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.799 Mitch Robinson was able to be healthy most of the year for the most 440 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.079 part. Um, I don't know that there's a lot of wiggle room to 441 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.559 roster different differentiation here. You know, because I think a lot of these 442 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.519 guys are under contract, and you know, a lot of people are calling 443 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.960 for Tibbs's job, and I don't know if that's going to happen. But 444 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.960 there doesn't seem to be like there's gonna make any big swings here, you 445 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.880 know from the rolls of pass. So so two things, Um, I 446 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.799 don't think Tims is going anywhere. I think the fact that he was able 447 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.720 to get this team to the semi finals and the way that he was able 448 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.119 to get this team to dominate the Cleveland Cavaliers, albeit whether we think that 449 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.920 you know, that's more Cavaliers or that actually is you know, the Tibbs 450 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.519 influence on this team to step their game up and play the level that they've 451 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.519 played. I think that TIBs is going to still get another season. I 452 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:17.799 think the key here, Shaw is to your point what TIBs does with this 453 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.799 roster come next year and whether or not it leads to or equates to more 454 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.039 wins than what they gave us. Right Like, we're trying to see if 455 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.799 this team is going to be another forty forty five plus up win tim basketball 456 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.960 team or they should be a forty nine plus up basketball team, right, 457 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.960 because another of the other teams in their division are going anywhere, right, 458 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.359 and maybe if at best we're saying they're going to be better than the Toronto 459 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.480 Raptors, but we're probably not gonna say that they're going to be better than 460 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:55.680 the Boston Celtics than the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Right, they should be 461 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.640 better than the Brooklyn Nets, But we did give an autopsy report saying, 462 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.119 hey, what version of the Brooklyn Nets you know that comes out? You 463 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:04.400 could look at some of the talent on that team and they can all take 464 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.880 a step up, and they've got young pieces as well. So to your 465 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.759 point, I think the execution is going to be on what supplemental part, 466 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:18.000 what role players can allow us to give Tom Thibodeau versatility. I think Tom 467 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.160 Thibodeau has dictated mostly for the years that he's coaching what kind of roster he 468 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.000 wants, and I think Leon Rose has to actually take it upon himself to 469 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:32.400 say I need the type of roster that allows us to be versatile and to 470 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.880 be able to throw multiple looks against whoever we're playing against. And if it 471 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.119 means that TIPS can't be on board with that, then I think that question 472 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:41.960 is going to be answered by the time that we see what version of the 473 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.400 New York Knicks are going to be for this, for this upcoming season and 474 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.920 moving beyond, because you can't tell me having the level of play that you're 475 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.480 getting from Jalen Brunson, and obviously for what you probably get from Julius Random 476 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.720 if he replicates that, and whatever versions you get of RJ. Barrett, 477 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.559 of Obi Toppin, of Mitchell Robinson and these guys. It all has to 478 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.759 be elevated levels. And if TIBs can't do that, then I think you 479 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.240 recognize that Tibbs rank Tim's run as the head coach for the Knicks has running 480 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:15.480 his course. I'm just gonna say, Tibbs in versatility. But to do 481 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.960 that you have to put the requisite pieces to make it glaringly like we saw 482 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.039 part of that, right, Remember when they made the play to bring in 483 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.839 Cam Reddish and and and look, I don't know if Cam Bredish is or 484 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.400 isn't a bad player. I just noted if the Knicks did not look like 485 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.559 a successful basketball team, that wouldn't have been an indictment on Tips because everybody 486 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:41.079 kept saying that Cambreddish should have been getting run on that roster. So there 487 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:47.000 you go. 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Warriors shaw Lee Autopsy coming up next on the 505 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.359 baseline. We are back Callie Warrenshaw based on NBA podcasts are covered at Autopsy 506 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:12.920 Reports. Sean and I Burning at midnight. All all right, y'all. 507 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:20.319 Next up, we're bodying up defending NBA champion Golden State Warriors as remodiously got 508 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:25.160 exited by the Los Angeles Lakers. I'm sure that Lebron James is feeling mighty 509 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:34.799 happy of dispatching any of that conversation about Steph Curry possibly being greater than Lebron 510 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.799 James and you know, all this other type of nonsense. But I think 511 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.000 a bigger question really has to be had about the Golden State Warriors, and 512 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.799 it's not about this nonsense of you know, is the dynasty over? I 513 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:51.759 really think that a conversation has to be made about can the Golden State Warriors 514 00:33:52.119 --> 00:34:00.200 thrive with the type of roster that they are continually constructing moving forward, because 515 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.279 as you can see, they've been able to get away with the idea of 516 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.400 playing with a relatively small ball type lineup. But I've also seen that the 517 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.320 type of ball players that they have are still, let's just say not as 518 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.280 quote unquote savvy and intuitive on playing up to the level that's required when the 519 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.679 situation typically calls for it. Now, they've been able to get away with 520 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.719 it with some of the teams that they've played against. But I think in 521 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.960 this instance, when you have to play against a team that's gonna be more 522 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.079 physical than you, that's gonna be longer than you, probably maybe even more 523 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.920 athletic than you, we've not seen certain players be able to step up. 524 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.239 Don't know if that's age, don't know if that's attrition, don't know what 525 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.480 that is shaw but it does something. It does say something about the Golden 526 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.480 State Warriors and the makeup of the rosters. If we're talking about to what 527 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.719 Steve Kerr said, you know, given everything that's happened and what took place, 528 00:34:54.119 --> 00:35:01.559 this just wasn't a championship team. Those comments throw me so like they 529 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.719 just do because it's I don't know, I mean, I know you can't 530 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.880 come out and say that as you're going into the playoff series against the Lakers, 531 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.800 just say well, we're not a championship team. We're gonna lose. 532 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.480 But if that's like what you like, I guess I don't know, man, 533 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.119 It's just it's just a weird thing to hear them say kind of after 534 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.239 the fact that I don't really know how it sits with me. But to 535 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:22.920 your earlier point, I think even saying he's like the dynasty is over, 536 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.880 Um, listen, Clay and Dre. Technically, I think everyone's trying to 537 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.559 get Dre out of here already. They all have one more year. Bob 538 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.239 Myers is the one who's who's up in the front office, and obviously he's 539 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.360 key to what they do in terms of the roster construction. But as you 540 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.960 were talking about the youth on this team, UM, don't really get the 541 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.880 chance to develop because the veterans are Hall of Fame veterans trying to win NBA 542 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.480 championship and it's hard to operate in both timelines when you're really trying to run 543 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.559 a franchise. Let me inject this to your point so you can continue further 544 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:01.320 show Ramona Shelburne brought up that point guards to you had to look back to 545 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.960 the incident that occurred between Jordan Pool and Draymond Green, and if you'd be 546 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:14.199 foolhardy not to think that that didn't become a tone setter on the perception about 547 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.800 where where the loyalty and the makeup of this team truly lies. You see 548 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:23.000 the differences and what she says, the core championship group and the younger guys, 549 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:28.480 and I think it rared its ugly head in what we saw on how 550 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:34.039 this team performed against the Los Angeles Lakers, who looked more cohesive than this 551 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.360 version of the Golden State Warriors. I'm gonna do a cheesy thing, you 552 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:38.719 know, you know, forgive me a walk with me for a little bit. 553 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.480 But I don't know if you remember the movie Stomped the Yard, and 554 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.159 you know they kind of had like the young hot guys coming in there. 555 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.000 Columbus Short was the hot shot freshman coming in and trying to teach the old 556 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.280 school guys. Hey, you got to institute this or whatever. I don't 557 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.320 know that they have a Columbus Short on their author roster, so to speak, 558 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:04.599 but they are Jordan Pools, the short okay, pool think he got 559 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:14.000 swagged though, Okay, shorts one copsion in the compression tights, okay, 560 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.920 But to me that it's it's a hard it's a hard narrative to kind of 561 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.920 to run and said, it's the timelines when you're trying to do two things 562 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.639 at once, and you have to pay homage and respect to what are Hall 563 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:31.519 of Fame players who who've got to four NBA championships versus some of the young 564 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.000 talent. But that that young talent I don't think is generational in any capacity. 565 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.719 So that's why they're reluctant to even try to develop them. But you 566 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.159 need them to at least be contributing role players. Um, I think the 567 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.360 Warriors are. What we'll see with the Warriors is really depending on what happens 568 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.559 with Bob Myers and and if he goes and leaves, and uh, that 569 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.360 might really shake the shape the organization in a way that some people may not 570 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:58.280 truly be cognizant of. Wiggins is I think, fine, he signed for 571 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.079 another you know, three four years, so he's good there. Obviously he's 572 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.760 found his role. Steph is thirty five. He'll be making fifty one million 573 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.719 dollars next year. But he's Steph Curry, so you paid and you don't 574 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.519 give almost thirty points per game. I think I would think, I think 575 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.840 I think the question they're want to be, yeah, well it's Clay and 576 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.480 um, you know, I know he worked himself back. You know, 577 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.519 everybody loves him. He's a little bit goofy and you know, cheesy and 578 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.760 corny himself at times or whatever, but he's when he's right, he's a 579 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.079 sniper. He's one of the best to ever do it from the outside. 580 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.000 But he did not look right in this playoff series against the Lakers. And 581 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.639 it's tough. It's tough to I'm not I'm trying not to just talk about 582 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.199 the money, but it's tough to pay somebody forty three million dollars who is 583 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.679 not contributing at a high level. It can't just be like, all right, 584 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.480 well, thank you for your service money, especially if you're still trying 585 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.480 to win NBA championships, and clearly that's what the Warriors think they should still 586 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.559 be in that win. This is the reason why we were having this conversation 587 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.559 off, you know, off the air show about I think a lot. 588 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.039 I think I think a lot of this, maybe, to your point, 589 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.199 is going to be about Bob Myers. I think a lot of this is 590 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:09.000 going to come down to Steve Kerr and the coaching staff and them taking this 591 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:16.559 off season and really focusing and honing in on how do we maximize the offensive 592 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:23.079 effectiveness that the Golden State Warriors should exhibit on a night and night out basis, 593 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.800 Should the primary focal point be Steph and Clay the splash brothers, or 594 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:34.360 should we start talking about Clay taking maybe a step back maybe him not? 595 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.480 Hold on, are you bringing Clay up the bench? No? I'm not 596 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.119 bringing Clay up. No. Why do you always have me saying that I'm 597 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.639 saying these guys got to come off the bench. When I'm saying then, 598 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.679 I thought that's where you're going on. Don't don't put me in a grave. 599 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.119 Damn it. You know I'm saying, still got out of the bodies 600 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.960 to talk about. Um No, But I do think that you have to 601 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.679 look at the way that the ball moves and the execution of the offense and 602 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.400 who should wind up with the basketball on certain looks and certain opportunities in certain 603 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.239 times, and oftentimes the Warriors make it a priority to try to you know, 604 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.719 to bring in Clay, to get Clay his opportunities, to get him 605 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.519 early. I think that could be at the detriment of the Golden State Warriors. 606 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:21.679 At times when you have matchups that really are in favor of the Warriors. 607 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.079 At times you'll see Wiggins has a favorable matchup, he yields and gives 608 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.679 the ball up because they're looking for that extra pass, for that extra shot 609 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.440 to quote unquote the core guys, you know what I'm saying. And I 610 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.360 think that that's at the detriment of the Golden State Warriors. If there's an 611 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.000 opportunity, there should be a level of a great It's so ironic. We 612 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.440 sit here and we talk about this all the time with some of these teams. 613 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.440 They'll get up in these interviews and they'll be like, yeah, man, 614 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.039 you know, Stephan, the guys they told me, you know, 615 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.159 they need me. They told me I needed to be aggressive. So that's 616 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.239 what I was. And you know, he winds up with twenty five points 617 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:59.639 and seven you know rebounds and you know, six assists. You really break 618 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.760 those numbers down. He was mad aggressive in like the first quarter, right 619 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.000 because he was the best matchup and nobody could stop him, and Steve Carr 620 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.599 actually had an epiphany and said, give him the damn basketball every damn time. 621 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.000 You know what I'm saying. But then when you see him the rest 622 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.960 of the series, he's freaking obsolete. He's non existent because the ball never 623 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.199 got to him. The ball never landed in his hands at the times where 624 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.159 he had that matchup. So that's what I'm saying. I think it is 625 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:34.559 tad amount that the Warriors start revisiting this narrative about how they want to execute, 626 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.159 how they want to start and finish games, who should wind up with 627 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.360 the basketball And I think if you really want Klay Thompson to be the best 628 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.519 version of Klay Thompson, it shouldn't be at the expense of him doing what 629 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.239 he's been doing at the two guard position. I really think that maybe sliding 630 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.480 him to that three and maybe moving Wiggins to more of a two. And 631 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.840 I know when we talk about this is positionless basketball, but if we're talking 632 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.119 about the Splash Brothers, we always talk about it in that narrative of Curry 633 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:06.360 and Thompson as the one and two on a basketball team. And I think 634 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.440 part of that is in the way that they prioritize Clay Thompson and his ability 635 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.119 to get touches and get the opportunity to shoot the ball. Well, I 636 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:15.639 don't think it's a matter of positions, and I think it's a matter of 637 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:21.639 optionality on the offense. And you know, Clay is more of a pressure 638 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.400 release as opposed to maybe somewhat of a focal point that you run your offense 639 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.000 through. We had this even at the height of his powers, where we're 640 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.639 like, all right, well, if you move them off the boards, 641 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.760 could Clay Thompson go be your number one guys somewhere? Does he have enough 642 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.400 versatility in his offensive game where he can just be that because he needs to 643 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.079 be more or less set up, you know, he can't really dribble and 644 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:44.880 do much off the bounce, but he's made a Hall of Fame career doing 645 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.599 being just that on a team that was perfect for the way his style and 646 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.719 play. So I think it's more about the options offensively as opposed to the 647 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.199 actual positions specifically. And there were times Wiggins took some shots. I was 648 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.360 like, Yo, that's you know, that's Minnesota Wiggins there. You know, 649 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.280 like he was maybe trying to inject themselves. But You're right, I 650 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:07.079 didn't last consistently, and that's what they probably need from him, and not 651 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.519 necessarily from the three point line, but just being you know, as a 652 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.119 guy who can get to the rim. He can boom on people all the 653 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.679 time as well. He's got super great athleticism and I'm finishing capability. But 654 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.280 then there's still the conversation of Jordan Poole and then obviously the other younger guys 655 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.159 as well too. Then let me ask you, let me ask this quick 656 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.400 question Shaw, because I'm trying to pull this up real quick as we're having 657 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:34.920 this conversation and we're talking about Wiggins that we're talking about Clay, right, 658 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:42.559 So Clay average twenty one point one and Wiggins average seventeen. Do you think 659 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:51.119 Wiggins is a twenty twenty one points you know score for this basketball team. 660 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.960 Do you think that he's capable of being a twenty twenty one point score? 661 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.880 I think he Yeah, I think he can be that, you know. 662 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.679 But I'll say this with this caveat. Part of the issues that we saw 663 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:06.719 play throughout the course of the year was Draymond's actual aversion to even looking at 664 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:12.079 the basket. So I think if Ram if Draymond ultimately becomes and again we're 665 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.719 not talking about giving him twenty shots a game here, I think I just 666 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.239 we want to be clear about that. But Draymond needs to be more aggressive 667 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.960 and and and and taking some shots himselves too. So I don't know if 668 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.440 that allows Wiggins to continue to be a twenty point per game guy, or 669 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.320 if that comes from Clay. If Draymond stays and ultimately is like, all 670 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.840 right, well let me try to give you fourteen fifteen a game instead of 671 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.119 seven eight or whatever it is that he's averaging. So so like there's numances 672 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.960 there. But to your point, Wiggins is still younger, obviously, more 673 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.360 athletic, and more you know, just and and and capable of scoring in 674 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:44.280 different ways than Clay can. So sure he could be a twenty point per 675 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.159 game, but I think right at twenty maybe not twenty two, twenty four 676 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.880 or anything like that. Interesting, all right, So what do we talk 677 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.400 about with you know, the I don't use the word role players? Where 678 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.119 where do we Where do we put Jordan Pool? Now, Sha, we 679 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.079 have this conversation, where does Jordan Pool fit in to this conversation? They've 680 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:08.440 given him his bag obviously in this offseason, right, and he I'll just 681 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:14.239 be honest with you, he hasn't impressed me at all of last two seasons 682 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.079 in the playoffs. He's a dynamic score, no doubt, he has some 683 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:23.119 magic plays. I think he's a quality player. I'm still struggling to figure 684 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:28.920 out where the Warriors are gonna be able to like really utilize him. That 685 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.840 he is as as big as an asset as what the money warrants sort of 686 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.760 speak. Getting twenty points per game is great, But we're talking about the 687 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.400 Warriors, and we're talking about one of the most offensively effective, efficient basketball 688 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.400 teams in the NBA. I almost feel like you could have gotten that from 689 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.840 freaking you know, Damien Lee last year. You could have gotten that from 690 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.559 any a number of guys that were part of this last year's team that won 691 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.239 this championship. So what are we talking about here with Jordan Pool? If 692 00:45:54.280 --> 00:46:00.800 you okay? But I think he's gonna get a twenty four million dollar raise 693 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.760 starting next year. UM. So he goes from three point nine to twenty 694 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:09.000 eight seven um next year alone. That's that's that's steep. And I think 695 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.519 for a guy who was almost unplayable in the final stretches here of their season. 696 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.119 You just kind of have to reevaluabate. They'll give him every opportunity to 697 00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.920 to recalibrate. Part of it is, yeah, does he feel some type 698 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.679 of way? Did he feel some type of way all season long as a 699 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:27.840 result of the Draymond incident? You know, he had flashes where he was 700 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.400 he was more than fine when when Curry was out, he and Clay were 701 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.960 able to carry the team. And so I think it's just a matter of 702 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.840 him regaining his confidence, you know, offensively. But he's not my personal 703 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:44.320 appetite, you know, for for for player. Oh, I'm not really 704 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.960 excited by his whatever he does out there, But I think they've kind of 705 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.960 made their bed here now and they've got to figure out a way to make 706 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.039 it happen because the draft, I mean, his capital right now is probably 707 00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:58.840 on out that great. And he's still young too. We were talking about 708 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:00.679 RJ. Barret a little whigo to Jo Pools, only twenty three years old. 709 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:06.199 But I think you can't move him now with this, with this inflation 710 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.599 in his salary after the playoffs he just had, Like I think that's going 711 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.639 to be a very very difficult situation. So to me, Golden State is 712 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:16.440 probably coming back almost in this exact same form, assuming Bob Myers is like, 713 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.519 all right, well let's let's try it again, and then they'll after 714 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.119 next year, I think you'll really figure out the words are done, because 715 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.159 again Clay and Clay and Draymond Green Dwell technically will be off the books. 716 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.880 Right, Okay. I want to ask this question again differently than Shaw, 717 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:37.039 what version of Jordan Pool do you want to see for this Golden State Warriors 718 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.239 team. Do you want to see him as a primary ball handler guy that 719 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.039 handles the second unit, or do you want to see him as being a 720 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.880 score meaning the ball should eventually wind up in his hands. He's gonna get 721 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.800 multiple opportunities to put the ball in the basket the second one, right, 722 00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:59.599 So okay, because it's amazing to me that most of the time when you 723 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.639 see him him, he's acting as like he's a primary ball handler, which 724 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.840 I don't think he's clearly as effective as someone who is being looked upon to 725 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.519 go and score the basketball. The Warriors are different though, so I mean, 726 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.559 Curry is not a traditional point guard. He can obviously this shit when 727 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.400 he needs to, and is getting double and triple team. We saw him, 728 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.599 you know, drop fourteen fifteen assist, you know, one of the 729 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.400 games versus the Lakers. But that's not Curry's preference, if you will. 730 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.719 A lot of his assists come off comes off of the actual offense that the 731 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.840 that the Warriors run. I think with Pool, he probably needs to be 732 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.480 set up more as opposed to trying to take guys off the dribble. And 733 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.079 then that's where maybe Draymond Green comes in as a as a facilitator as well. 734 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.480 They're trying to help some of that going. Again, if some of 735 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.400 these guys are not here, it changes the dynamic of what Pool can ultimately 736 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.679 do offensively. Specifically, we know he's not going to do a whole lot 737 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.679 defensively, but I think the best role for him is, hey, sixth 738 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.039 man off the bench, be your best score off the bench can be in 739 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.760 some finishing and clothing lineups. Here probably always be a perennial sixth Man of 740 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:59.519 the Year candidate as opposed to somebody who's a primary guy and definitely not a 741 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.000 playmaker on your team. All right, seaw So, in other words, 742 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.800 we're saying that this Warrior seem gonna be right next year. This is I 743 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.679 think they can be if they didn't, if they made no changes, they 744 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.480 can very much be back in the middle of the pack and scary against whoever 745 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.400 they play and whatever round. But if they if they themselves are saying, 746 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.960 as their current iteration is, as not championship level, then I can't imagine 747 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:27.599 that they'd bring it back because that's what they're that's what they're looking to do. 748 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.840 So how they make changes, I have no idea. We talk about 749 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.639 money a lot to eleven. That's what they owe next year to eleven, 750 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.960 and I think it's like four hundred and something when you count the luxury tax 751 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.599 aspect that it was well too, So it's pretty astronomical. And I don't 752 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.280 know what changes they're gonna make. But Bob Myers is at the head of 753 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.880 that snake when it comes to being in the front office, and we'll see 754 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.280 if you can conjious some magic. Well, he's gonna have to conscious some 755 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.159 magic. Whatever that magic is, it's got to be something a little bit 756 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.440 better than the home cooking, you know what I'm saying. They gotta have 757 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.119 some some of that on the road. You know what I'm saying. Flavor, 758 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:06.519 you know it's to to before he's finally hanging it up, so that 759 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.079 they wish they had him on that basketball court against the Lakers. But I'm 760 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.679 sure Lebron, I'm sure Lebron was happy he didn't have to deal with that. 761 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:20.280 Relive those sweet memories your Tude to the Baseline Calie Warrenshaw discussing the hot 762 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.039 button topics of the NBA are covered at autopsy reports. Coming up, one 763 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.039 last team to put on the slab. You know what that means. We 764 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.079 gotta be talking in Philadelphia, seventy six ers and this might be it, 765 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:35.960 this might be post mortem, this is uh more, what what do you 766 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:43.880 call him? More more more morbious? Not morpheus, morbious morbious? Yeah, 767 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.960 let's what's that? It's that that villain that always battles against Spider Power. 768 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.360 Yeah, yeah, that dude. Oh obviously he mustn't have been much 769 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.599 of a damn villain. And if my man Sean, I don't know who 770 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.079 that is? All right, man, we'll be talking sixers here on the 771 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:04.400 Baseline. We are back Callie Warrenshaw Baseline NBA Podcast, Last on the Slab 772 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.599 for our autopsy report. We'll be talking about the Philadelphia seventy six or shaw 773 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:13.760 heartbreaking seven game series. Um, you can get announced by the by the 774 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.159 by the Boston Celtics. I'm sure a lot of people are gonna probably look 775 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:22.840 at this game specifically and say to themselves, damn, you know, um 776 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.639 this. If we're going to continue to run this back, it probably won't 777 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.159 be with Doc Rivers. He's obviously a black cat. It's allergic to prosperity 778 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:36.239 in the seven game series, or allergic to a team's prosperity in in finals 779 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:42.880 of some sort. But you know, I've been saying this for the longest 780 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:46.519 time that the roster there there has to be another adjustment to this roster than 781 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:52.079 than what they currently have. Who knows, maybe they may prove me wrong 782 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.719 by what they accomplished this year that if they decided to run it back where 783 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:58.920 we would be good with it, I guess, But I'm still not completely 784 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.559 sold that this is a good enough roster for us to be talking about winning 785 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:06.280 in Eastern Conference Finals. At the same time, though, I have said 786 00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.400 that the only way that this team can get to the Eastern Conference Finals is 787 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:16.679 because is by Joel Embiid being an MVP version of what he gave us up 788 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.960 in the regular season, just wasn't able to do it in Game seven against 789 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.960 the Boston Celtics. But that just has to be him, period, and 790 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.159 that is supposed to elevate the rest of the other guys on that basketball court. 791 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.119 So I don't know, it's it's it's it's kind of half and half 792 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.000 when I look at both of it, because it was the perfect storm for 793 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.280 us to question all of these things in the way that this team got knocked 794 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.440 out in Game seven against the Boston Celtics. Yeah, so que all your 795 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.840 memes, Doc rivers, James Harden can't get it done in the playoffs again, 796 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.039 Doc rivers six and ten in seven game series and most most losses in 797 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.320 Game seven's you know in NBA history, et cetera. James hard and always 798 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.639 shrinking in the moment. You got Ben Simmons putting out memes, you know, 799 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:05.880 I mean about the Sixers lost like it's a very he needs to chill 800 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.159 all the way the hell out, Like like why are you inserting yourself into 801 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.719 the chat? As you alluded to um. The theme I think though for 802 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.639 a lot of our autopsies though, is like, especially these elite level teams, 803 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:16.920 you feel like, okay, well, is one more year of the 804 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.679 thing or is the coaching move the potential thing? The thing here in Philadelphia 805 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:28.559 is Hardened, and not necessarily from his playoff failure aspects of obviously that's huge, 806 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.400 but he has a player option and he's like, hey, I took 807 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:36.760 less of money to help form this roster that lost in the Game seven and 808 00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:43.000 semifinals. He has, for whatever reason, some taste and desire to return 809 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.000 to Houston now that the temperature is changed there. I don't know if he's 810 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.320 really a Yudoka guy. So I don't know if that if that happens, 811 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.519 or if that would change, you know, maybe his decision making. But 812 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.920 the Sixers are going to go as James Harden does, and because of all 813 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.960 the machinations that they've done with him and moving Simmons on or whatever the case 814 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.280 would be, it's going to be hard for them, I think, and 815 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.559 also to if he decides to walk to replace him, and that leaves a 816 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.159 team good bad, earned different I think in terms of like how you feel 817 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.960 about Hardened at least a team forever change, and I don't know that they'd 818 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.599 be able to make up for his loss if he were to walk away next 819 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.320 year. That to me, I think is the biggest question surrounding the Philadelphias 820 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.400 seventies six ers. If Doc they fired Doc, you know, we're scared 821 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.719 to even record right now because if you're like that could potentially come down at 822 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.559 any moment, you know. And you know, we both like Doc Rivers 823 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.920 as an individual, and obviously he's had a lot of success in this league, 824 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.119 but he's also had a lot of failures, and that's what he seems 825 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.920 to be known for right now. To me, though, it's it's it's 826 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.199 it really kind of starts and ends with what James Harden does. And I'll 827 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.639 say this one last thing. Now that Joel Embiid won the MVP, I 828 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.440 can't imagine that he plays anywhere close to sixty five games again. He's going 829 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.239 to load manage the shit out the rest of his career just in hopes of 830 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.679 trying to be healthy, and he continues to get hurt in the actual playoffs, 831 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.880 but I think they're gonna he's gonna take every precaution to try to like, 832 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.280 hey, let me play fifty fifty five games and try to save as 833 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.199 much wear and tear on my legs so I can get in in the playoffs, 834 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.159 and if the Lakers and Heat or any indication like, hey, it 835 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.519 may not really matter what seed you get in at. You can make a 836 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.199 run if you have the requisite um right, well, I think that that'll 837 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.880 that'll kind of tell you what, you know, what the priority was. 838 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:28.360 Then if that's the case, right, if suddenly now load management really becomes 839 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.000 the focal point for Joel Embiids, that's me saying it now, I understand 840 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.760 that. But then what that also means is that it's putting the pressure on 841 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.000 Daryl Morey now more than ever to make sure that he can construct a roster 842 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:45.159 that can afford having Joel Embiid off the court as much can I can. 843 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.800 I interject really quickly, and again it will be really quick. I think 844 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.719 more Tyrese Maxie is important, and I know it's a different dynamic and being 845 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.920 a Maxie Maxie not an MVP type player. I get that, But I 846 00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.199 think MAXI can and should be doing more than he is, and I think 847 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.199 he has a capability. What's so, then let me ask you this question, 848 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.880 then, what's holding him back from doing that? Is that Doc Rivers 849 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.480 is Is that then the way that the offense is constructed. Is that Joel 850 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:16.000 Embiid is that James Harden, Like, what is holding him back from taking 851 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:21.239 that quote unquote next step. It's it's it's the fact that Harden is there, 852 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.320 and Harden plays the way that he plays. Harden is great, he's 853 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:28.400 but he's ball dominant and Maxie so he needs the ball in his hand. 854 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.880 Maxie is not a spot up shooter at this stage of his career, right, 855 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.360 Okay, so but let's let's then so then now we're really gonna put 856 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.960 Joel Embid on the spot, right, because what you're kind of saying, 857 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:46.039 Shaw is that those three can't coexist if you're talking about getting to that next 858 00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:52.000 level eventually getting to an NBA finals, right, Like, That's what that 859 00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.519 is gonna come down to, um and money may dictate part of that, 860 00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.840 but I think style may dictate part of that. And I've seen where Joel 861 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:07.719 Embiid has at times thrown Hardened under the bus, justifiably. So I've also 862 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:15.000 seen where Hardness thrown Embiid under the bus, right, and I've seen Maxie 863 00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:20.000 try to basically favor to both guys. So ultimately, what it comes down 864 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:24.360 to me is who does Joel embiid ride or die with right the young upstart 865 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.920 who's been trying to crack through and give people a reason for him to be 866 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.840 injected as a key piece to this puzzle. Or do you ride with one 867 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:39.840 of the more known offensively gifted players of our generation who at times can be 868 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:45.679 a liability defensively but in most times doesn't seem to bring that tenacity of offense 869 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:53.719 consistently in critical playoff series. Well, it's hard to not go with the 870 00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.199 surefire Hall of Famer. But again, the answer might be figured out for 871 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:01.760 them if James designed he ultimately wants to leave anyway. You know, I 872 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.800 think More is going to do everything he possibly can to at least to try 873 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.840 to give it one more year. And if they feel like doc has a 874 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.000 problem, and then they'll get a rid of doc Um one way another. 875 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:15.199 It's if it's a matter of staggering the minutes and figuring out ways from MAXI 876 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.159 then to you know, become more offensive, offensively dominant Um. I think 877 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.880 that's that's something that they need to definitely look at ultimately, because he seems 878 00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:27.480 like this guy with this budding potential to really help them, and now they're 879 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:29.400 gonna have to figure out a way to pay him as well too. His 880 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.599 next year will be out for him and they'll need to extend him as well, 881 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.559 because I think they know they're getting out of Tobias Harris now, like 882 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.400 he's not going to he's he's he is who he is. That's just what. 883 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.440 That's what. That's all they need to say about it. But there's 884 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.960 not another level for Tobias Harris to contribute. I think at the stage it's 885 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.400 Maxie and Harden or kind of bust right now, at least when you're talking 886 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.639 about the short term window for the Sixers. All right, So everything, 887 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:59.880 to your point, Shaw is being dictated by what hardens move excuse me, 888 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:05.280 move is going to be. Is there nothing on this roster that can be 889 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:12.760 approved upon if if that wasn't to be the case. If I'm not questioning 890 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.280 that what you're saying doesn't make sense. I'm just saying, where can there 891 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:21.039 also be that opportunity even if let's say Harden says let's run it back, 892 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.960 because then that still means that you're going to have to improve this roster because 893 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.440 it is not good enough to get past the better teams. It just isn't. 894 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.320 And if you're talking about potentially load managing. That means you're going to 895 00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:39.239 have to have a suitable backup center who is going to be able to relieve 896 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:45.000 the stress of their ability to score the basketball when he is not on the 897 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.800 court, or to at least continue to maintain similar matchups that have allowed the 898 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:54.679 Sixers the opportunity to do the things that they do. Yeah, the roster 899 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.760 is weird, I'll give you that. You know, if e bead is 900 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.719 out, you know, Paul reb again, he's a rotation player at best. 901 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:10.800 He's not somebody almost almost struggle. It doesn't get too excited, you 902 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.000 know. And they brought on Tres and presidentally, you know, he didn't 903 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.119 fit the bill and he's not really going to be along with this team or 904 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.679 roster moving forward as well. Too. It brought Jenny McDaniels in. He's 905 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.960 his contractors up. I thought that was a shrewd move, but then he 906 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.039 didn't seem to really be able to crack the rotation within the in the playoff. 907 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.280 But he's a guy who I thought had a lot of upside. But 908 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.039 again, he's more of a four, you know, three four than more. 909 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:35.960 He is maybe even a small ball five. Um I don't know what 910 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.159 the names are out there in free agency that allows them to make a move. 911 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:44.000 If Harden declines this option, it significantly decreases their salary cap. So 912 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:49.000 then there's options there that potentially become available to them. Um. But again 913 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.760 that's why I keep coming back to that, it kind of depends what he 914 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:53.320 does for them to be able to figure out what their next move is. 915 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:58.079 But you were saying if he comes back, then there's still more cap trapped 916 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:01.880 innocence being able to try to bring in guy and nobody wants. I shouldn't 917 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.559 say nobody wants, but PJ. Tucker and and and Daniel House and Quirk 918 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:13.119 mas and Yang and guys like that are not creatable assets like there there are 919 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.159 players that are filled in, you know, for the bigger for the bigger 920 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.840 deal. And so that's why I'm saying they don't have a lot of moves 921 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.639 that they can make. If Harden does this hard to opt in to balance 922 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.280 out the rest of the roster and give him be probably the help he needs 923 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.159 at that five position as a backup. All right, So what's our outlook 924 01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.840 with the with the Philadelphia seventies six ers. I mean a lot of it 925 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.960 is going to be dictated by, you know, the headlines and what potential 926 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.519 moves are are are are going to be made. And I'll even say this 927 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:44.039 a lot of that. It could be more on the focus of what Daryl 928 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:49.000 Moorey says or doesn't say about what needs to happen for this roster, right 929 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.599 um, because he's also been known to be somewhat of a controversial person, 930 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:55.880 likes to inject himself, you know what I'm saying, Likes likes to kind 931 01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.800 of quote unquote take on the smoke, you know what I mean. So 932 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.760 what are we saying here with this Sixers team? How controversial can it be 933 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.760 for their off season? It could be as quiet as still as a river 934 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:14.280 creek, or as volto as a hurricane and tornado. It really does, 935 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.079 like I said, depending on what Hardning does and depending on what Doc what 936 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.880 they decided to do with Doc Rivers. I don't think they obviously don't want 937 01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:22.760 to just run it completely back. But even Paul Reid, I we're talking 938 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.480 about him, He's a free agent, so they gotta figure about out shake 939 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.400 Milton's a free agent. So do you just pay those guys or do you 940 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.960 look for new parts that makes sense to compliment, and I think that's what 941 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.599 they'll ultimately try to do. But I just don't have a good sense of 942 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.519 what that is right now. So you know, again, they have some 943 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.920 things that they need to figure out ultimately with those two main pieces and two 944 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:50.039 moving parts. I just don't know at this stage. A lot of people 945 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.960 love the idea of PJ. Tucker and Jay Crowder. I just don't know 946 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:57.320 how impactful those types of guys are right now, you know. I just 947 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.760 I just I just don't know. But but Tucker is hardness as hard as 948 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.360 friend. So you know, but if Harden decides to go with him, 949 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.280 maybe you can send Tuck her along with them. Yeah, I don't know. 950 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.960 I think I think the six b J. Tucker and the Beard. 951 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.719 I think the sixers are in are in are in a very very interesting position 952 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:20.000 that is not as clear as I think it is for some of the teams 953 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:24.320 that we autopsy on specific show, Well said brother Well said, my god, 954 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.679 how do we get through bodying up four teams? Shaw I very quickly, 955 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.840 I'll tell you, boy, you are nipping Tuck man. I am. 956 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.039 I was more dexter, but you are nipping Tuck. Yeah, that's 957 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:43.360 a good show back in the day. We want to hear from you guys. 958 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.159 Man. Obviously a lot of these teams, Man have got a lot 959 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:50.280 of question marks and some interesting off seasons ahead of them, and we're only 960 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.239 gonna be able to watch and see probably get a popcorn ready on what may 961 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:59.000 take place for the long off season ahead. As always, Man Shaw, 962 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.360 it's been great doing this with you, and hopefully we will not be you 963 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:09.320 know, cast with the tasking hand again to do four teams in one episode. 964 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.719 There's only four teams left, so they can't all be gone at the 965 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.599 same time, so I don't think it will happen, although although like you 966 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.119 said, it's gonna be a war, it will be a war, so 967 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:24.880 who knows would be something it wouldn't for the baseline Callie Warrens. Shall we 968 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:28.039 appreciate you guys, thanks ropping on board with us this week and we'll catch 969 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:29.159 up with you next time.