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This is a review that the Atheist
Community of Austin recently received. Jesus Loves

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You. God's speech is how he
communicates his kingship to the world. We

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also see this in the covenance the
Lord made with his people. God reveals

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himself. God reveals himself to Abraham, and a promise back to relationship has

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begun Genesis twelve one to three.
First he spoke to the stars, then

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makes promises with them Genesis fifteen four
to five. Believe in God. God

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is the reason you are here.
Now. There are a couple of things

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I want to say about this,
and the first is that you shouldn't leave

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a one star review for anybody just
because you disagree with them. That's just

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dishonest, blatantly. So God would
be very, very disappointed with you.

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So to redress the balance of this
very naughty person, I think those of

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you who have received benefit for the
services of the ACA should leave a five

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star reviewer as soon as you've finished
listening to this show. In addition,

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and I will never get bored of
saying this, preaching is the least likely

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thing you can do to convince me
that God exists. In fact, preaching

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suggests to me that you have nothing
compelling to present at all. If you

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genuinely want me to believe God exists, call the show present evidence or a

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compelling argument, and I will have
no choice but to believe. Let's have

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a conversation where mutual exploration leaves me
compelled to accept God's existence. If you

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want me to accept God, stop
preaching and call the show, because the

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show is starting now. Well,
come, welcome, Welcome. It is

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March twenty four, twenty twenty four. I am your host, Richard Julliver,

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and joining me today is the incomprehensible
Phoebe Vieos Hello, fevere. Never

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been called incomprehensible before. Now that's
a new one, even for me.

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I've been called in congurous, I've
been called superlative, I've been told time

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and I've been that they've run out. I suppose that incomprehensible. It's a

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term I have never had used to
me. I suppose, you know,

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when I do go into legal ease
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starts not just thinking like a lawyer, but talking like a lawyer, but

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you know, incomprehensible. It was
almost as incomprehensible as that one story.

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If you you just read out it
was indeed almost as incomprehensible me broadcasting from

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your basement. Oh it's it's incredible. It's a wonderful basement, isn't it.

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It's a wonderful base. Talk Heathen
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through the Talk Heathen to Me segment
where we get to the questions of the

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week. Last week we asked you
what is God's idea of a perfect woman?

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And here are our top three answers. Number three see not three two

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four four God's idea of the perfect
woman? A married woman who hasn't consummuted

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their wedding yet, fever hord.
Do you think about that? One depends

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what you mean by consummated in this
case. Look, hell, you're on

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the show, expector Lawyer's answer.
I mean, but yeah, so what

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is the word yet me? What
if you're what if you're what if you're

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you know, just building up to
it? Is that the moment before way

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wall? Yeah? Or is it
just as you finished it on the way?

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Is this God foreplay just for the
benefit of the viewers? Me and

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PHOEBEA are going to have tremendous fun
during this foe for sure, whether you

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do or not. Number two,
it's X million seventeen oh four. God's

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perfect woman listens to a talking snake, affecting the downfall of his entire creation

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precisely according to his plan. That's
pretty accurate, Phoebe. I've worked out

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where the main plot point of the
entire Harry Potter series is, because you

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know, he talks to snakes and
it's the downfall of the main character.

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It's shaken directly from the Bible.
That's it. It would not be like

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that particular author to take things from
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Shouldn't have probably said that. Laura
Joell sixty one eighty seven, responding

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to the show last week, says, great show, guys, Sophia.

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Yeah, love the hair, Jimmy, love your shirt. You both look

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great. In answer to the question
God's perfect woman, barbe perfect looks can't

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speak storable. I have to admit
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that actually made me laugh when I
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And here's the right question. Here's
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hotel value we are I'm not going
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The prompt of the week for next
week is complete the sentence it was

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fucked up when God blank and to
your best answer below the video in the

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comments, and next week we will
reveal the top three answers. But let

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me get your handswer febe complete the
sentence, it was fucked up when God

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blank covered up an affair just that
well you know Mary and Joseph. You

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know he covered up that affair because
you're clearly Mary, you know, was

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having an affair. If Joyceph wasn't
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an affair, Yeah it was.
It's quite a strange affair as well.

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I'm sending down a part of me, which isn't me to impregnate you on

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my behalf, to have my son, which is also your son, not

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your husband's son. It gets quite
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it. We are looking forward to
your answers for that question next week.

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What's yours? What's your answer?
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don't put me on the spot like
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complete the sentence. It was fucked
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much to choose from. I think
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requested. No, listen, this
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please go and look it up.
In number thirty one requested that virgin girls

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be taken as spoils of war.
But not that, oh no, no,

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no, no, no, no
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wasn't content with requesting virgin girls taken
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his troops. He requested his own
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to his priest son, his behalf. I think that is the most foot

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thing that God did, is that
coveting thy neighbours ass. I don't know

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which part of them he wanted to
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big problem here is that you know, God covered up in a fair thou

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shout not commit adultery. God,
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thou shalt not covert thy neighbor's ass. You know, there's two of the

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ten moments that have been broken.
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have just been broken. Thou shalt
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all the way through. That's thirty
percent. So this week, Richard's just

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going to sit back and let Foebe
host the show. I am very excited

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to see what our audience come up
next week. Put your answers down below

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in the comments and not in the
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answers out next week. Of course, we do not do. It's not

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just the Richard and Phoebe show.
It's not just about us. It's we

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have a great team behind us who
get all of this going and do all

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the hard work, from everybody from
the show note writers to the time stampers,

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to the fan group volunteers right up
to the producers and everybody else who's

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involved. Some of those people are
right here now. So let's go to

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the crew camp and look at those
lovely, lovely people who make this show

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happen. Look at that lovely lot. God, there's some of my favorite

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people are in there, not Greg, but the rest of them. Some

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of my favorite people are in there. And you know they are the ones

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that make this all happen. They're
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us all this technology, all this
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to talk to you when you're calling
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should get the massive, massive thank
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the subject, if you want to
thank my guest, Phoebe Rose nonprofit Extraordinary,

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please do so in the side chat
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love for Phoebe. This is inadvertently
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we've not planned it to be that
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is, and I'm sure that we'll
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don't keep side tracking me about the
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crew can It is weird to be
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on the other side of it because
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So yeah, big love to my
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of course, big love to everybody
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the show. I wrote that called
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calls just second, but I wrote
that called open because you know, one

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of people regular views will probably know. One of my pet hates is people

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just making comments in the comments section
and just writing stuff and preaching it us

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and things like that. And I
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one of those people who wants to
tell us Jesus loves you, or we're

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going to hell or the end is
coming, give us a call and give

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us an actual argument, because I
wasn't. I wasn't just like blowing out

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hair when I said that preaching doesn't
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least likely thing to convince me that
God exists. And if you have good

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evidence, if you have a compelling
argument, I would have no choice.

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This show has more than ninety thousand
subscribers. You would have a good chance

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of converting all of them if you
came up with a good argument or compelling

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evidence, and that's all you need
to do, but is not the way

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to do it. But aside from
that, I've been having lots of conversations

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lately and I had a you know, the last time I was on the

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show, we talked about Taoism a
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Taoism. And I have been having
so many calls about fluffy conversations about fluffy

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new age spiritualist nonsense lately. And
let me tell you, these people get

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their feathers ruffled far more than the
most ruffled feathered Christians do. So if

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you're one of those people who thinks
that there's some merit to this fluffy nonsense,

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perennial philosophy and all of that jazz, give us a call because we

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want to talk to you as well. Having said that, we do have

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a call on the line and going
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is Cadence from Florida, who is
asking does religion pollute politics? Hellokaidence,

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how are you hello? Okay?
How are you very very well? Soday

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Best? I am the Sunday Best. Religion politics. I'm going to give

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you, let you make your ask
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let Phoebe take it because this is
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to the tea. This is let's
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parties or political figures in this let's
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ahead and ask you a question,
right, Yeah, So I just wanted

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to. I've just been noticing,
you know, my step down and watches

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the news. Uh, and I've
just been paying more attention to what's going

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on with the conflict with Israel and
Palestign. And you know in this,

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in this instance, I don't take
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sad that instant keep are dying on
both sides. And that's when I started

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kind of watching a little bit more
of the news that my step dad does,

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which is false news, but it
doesn't matter. But and I just

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noticed that, like you know,
I know, you say, don't call

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it one part party, so I'm
not, but I'm sure you can figure

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out that one side seems to really
justify their policies and actions because of what

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they believe. And so I was
wondering, Uh, do you guys think

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and that that religion makes politics even
worse or do you think it's what makes

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politics so horrible? Because you know, I feel like, you know,

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a lot of Americans are on team
Israel, which again I'm not on either

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team, and I feel like it's
very kind of going on blind faith because

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you know, they believe it's the
Holy Land. And but yeah, so

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what do you guys think about politics? Religion is religion politics or politics is

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bad by itself. Now, there's
a lot to unpack there, and the

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issues going on in the Middle East
have a lot of resonance with a lot

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of individuals around the world. A
lot of my family members are quite animated

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on this, a lot of my
friends are quite animated on this. I

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am an atheist, but I am
also ethnically Jewish, so that's a very

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interesting perspective that I end up with
from a lot of individuals on this.

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But then on the other side,
I have a lot of individuals who I

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know who are on the other side
of that. And I think the issue

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in the Middle here is that if
we wind the clock back to two thousand

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and one and September the eleventh,
and we see the fallout of the politics

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and the religion that occurred there.
So a lot of the politics ended up

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fueling a lot of anti Islam and
a lot of anti Arabic sentiment, which

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was unjustified. And I think that
that element of the politics is quite polluting

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because we're seeing a lot of anti
Muslim sentiment, a lot of anti Semitic

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sentiment, a lot of anti Jewish
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which is also quite polluting as well
as a result of this. And

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it's exemplified by what happened in I
think it was Vermont where some Palestinian students

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were attacked, and that's quite polluting
in and of itself. But we have

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also seen a rise in anti Semitic
hate crimes as a result, and that

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is very polluting. And I think
that any time you get religion involved,

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people are going to bring their own
personal politics into things. And when I

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say personal politicis I don't mean parties
and politics with the cathopy. I mean

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politics with a small pe here,
and this will be things like what you

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hold to be your values and how
that goes forward, and how you view

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yourself and your lens of viewing yourself. So after nine to eleven, a

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lot of Americans were deeply hurt by
what happened and they wanted an outlet to

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it, and it was a very
toxic outlet that led to a lot of

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anti Islam and a lot of anti
Semitic conspiracy theories coming forwards, and a

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lot of fairly strange things that are
being said, Like I remember when they

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were planning of building and Islamic Cultural
center in Manhattan and they called it the

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nine to eleven Mosque, which was, quite frankly, some of the strangest

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terminology I've ever heard used in relation
to this. And when you do get

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things that are very political, that
are tragedies, you have a tendency to

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polarize people and things are saying very
black and very white, and that in

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and of itself is the polluting element, because the shades of gray will always

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exist, and we will all be
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a human being you are, we
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something that affects us deeply that is
a tragedy, we will begin to move

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towards those black and white extremes.
And we have an issue where your own

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personal politics and your own religion and
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will be affecting how you respond,
and that can be very polluting in either

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a sympathetic way or an antagonistic way, depending on how you yourself respond to

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it. So, for example,
people could be very sympathetic to the individuals

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who were responsible for certain acts of
terrorism. And even using the word act

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of terrorism is in and of itself
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because the term terrorism has many different
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because what is one man's freedom fighter, it is another man's terrorist.

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As they say, I mean,
you just have to look at some of

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the terminology that was used regarding Nelson
Mandela. To some people, he is

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a terrorist to some people, and
to a vast majority of people, he

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is a person who was fighting for
the freedom of having from apartheid. But

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it all depends on your perspective.
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that's the pollution. And you must
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because when you hit those extremes,
you can find it very difficult to see

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what the reasonable questioning answers are.
In the middle, why is this happening?

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What is the solution to this?
Not you did this, I'm going

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to get back at you, and
I was going to ask too, because

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I'm very middle with everything. I'm
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I think they think both sides at
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it's so difficult for some people to
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Do you think that has to do
with like media, you know,

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extreme media? What's your take on
that opinion? It's personally insecurity from the

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person. The person is insecure to
a point where they aren't confident in their

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own convictions. So they will generally
take a position that sits where they feel

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most comfortable and if they can avoid
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insecure about what that will do to
them, they may follow other individuals and

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we see that in all walks of
life. So you take a classroom full

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of students, the most secure person
in the room is the one that's going

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to put their hand up and say, I think the answer is this.

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Insecure people in that classroom aren't going
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yes, the answer is this,
because it's where they're not comfortable doing it,

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right, I see, okay,
yeah, I just you know,

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I've been an atheist for about two
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I ever believe I think it was
just because I was brought up. I

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just said I was a Christian,
but I've just I've noticed a lot about

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the world, you know that,
like you said, it's not it's not

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so black and white as some people
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few weeks ago, I think I
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you know, my family. Some
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that I'm lost because I don't believe
in God and stuff. And I was

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just also curious, you know,
I get very this is a little simon.

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I make it quick, you know, when I've been very outspoken about

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my etheism because even like online on
Facebook, not every day, but uh,

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and they seem to get very upset. They didn't care about what I

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believed in until it was something they
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should I be so vocal about it
or should I just let them believe what

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they wanted, because it's very upset
comfortable, because I think I think that

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that all depends on how comfortable you
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comfortable having these conversations, then continue
to have them. If if you're not

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comfortable, or if it's going to
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you're like really financially reliant on anyone. Then there's no harm in not having

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these conversations, especially with those curs
around you. It doesn't stop you interacting

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with people kind of outside your immediate
friends and families or online. But certainly

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it all for me. It's all
about how comfortable you are doing it.

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You know, being outspoken, being
an activist, all these things is not

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for everyone. And you know,
yeah, it comes with having or developing

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a little bit of a thick skin
along the lines of it. You know,

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people like me and Phoebe have been
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And you know, if you're only
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you might not be in a position
where you feel comfortable talking to everybody and

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you know, going through the nitty
gritty with everybody on all these different subjects,

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and there's no harm in not doing
it. This this you know,

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self care is the most important thing, and that you've been comfortable with yourself

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and you know, I would say
do it to the extent that you are

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comfortable doing it. I don't know
if Phoebe has anything to add on that.

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What I would say is what Richard
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least effective way to convince anybody or
to have a conversation on the merits of

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what you're talking about. So if
you're having a conversation with them, there's

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a genuine dialogue. In my opinion, that's wonderful. If you are going

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in there and saying Christianity is bunk
and you know Judaism is you know hocum,

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and Islam is trash, you're not
going to get anywhere. Equally,

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if you go atheism is the greatest, Atheism is the only way forward.

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You are an idiot and you shouldn't
be doing this, that, and the

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other. You're not going to get
anywhere with them because people are going to

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put their defenses up and they're going
to go off and they're going to tell

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you where the fund doesn't shine.
So if you are having conversations with somebody,

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have a conversation with them as a
friend, as a family member.

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Don't have a conversation with them as
someone who's going in there to try to

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change their mind. Have a conversation
with them where you're going to try to

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extract what they actually believe. I
have found the conversations that I have that

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at the most productive, where you
talk and you disagree, because that disagreement

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that you have shows the other person
that you hold them to be an equal

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in the conversation. And nobody likes
to be seen as anything other than an

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equal in a conversation because then you
feel in fantalized and you feel like you're

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being treated like a child, and
you're more likely to someone if you are

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having a dialogue that is on the
same level. Yeah here, Like my

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grandduy last night texted me and was
like, you need to start putting that

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stupid crap on Facebook about atheism,
and you know, I stood my ground,

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and but I was really polite and
see my trained had you know.

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But I'm pretty comfortable with having these
conversations. Sometimes I do get a little

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heated with them. So uh,
like, I think it's it's better to

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talk about it in person, you
know, than over online, because I

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think when you talk in pro with
anybody about anything, there's kind of that

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mutual respect already, as opposed to
online where it's like you can say whatever

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you want, you know, and
get away with it. So there's also

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the context. A lot of context
is missed when you're talking, especially on

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formats like Facebook where it's a text
based format. You can you can be

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saying something perfectly reasonable and it can
come across as really aggressive, and it's

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it's it can be really difficult to
have a nuanced conversation using nonverbal formats,

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so or even even non visual formats
where you're not picking up on people's body

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language. So it's worth bearing that
in mind when you're having these conversations well

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as well. That's not to say
don't have just non visual textual conversations,

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because you can have them, but
it's worth being aware the nuances often missed

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while you're having them. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's very true.

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I mean, you know, communication
is more than just words of spody,

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language and whatnot. I know,
you guys, other Collers. I just

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want to thank you guys. I
started watching your show not too long ago.

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Well first it was the atheist experience, but anyhow, I just want

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to thank you guys for you know, speaking for well maybe not all of

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us, but most of us,
and just thank you and keep doing what

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you guys are doing. No,
thank you, OKAYD And so we really

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appreciate your call. Do call back
again, and you know, and keep

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us updated in these conversations that you're
having. With your families. I think

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calls like that are really important.
There's something that the really important for me,

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who's never been a religious person,
who's never had a really just family

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as such, to understand how some
of these people I'm talking to a lot

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of the theists, if they're going
to go through deconstruction. It's important for

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me to listen to people who were
going through or have come through that deconstruction

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to understand where, you know,
where they might end up, because it

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helps me to kind of frame the
conversations in such a way to understand that

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these people might be coming out of
things and might be communicating with people in

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their own families and the friend circles
themselves. One day, Phoebe, you

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were religious at one point, so
how do you relate to that. It's

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one of those things where you realize
that if you are secure enough in yourself,

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you are secure enough to grow.
And looking back on it, I

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was having issues with personal sense of
self and place in the world. And

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it's always interesting to see where people
go with it because some people when they

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started deconstructing, the strength their faith
gets strengthened as opposed to it being weakened,

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and it all depends upon the person
themselves. For me personally, it

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was a series of events in my
life that shocked me and I begetting to

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reevaluate. But don't sit there in
silence, because it can have serious effect

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on your physical and mental health.
Tried to understand and explain things, and

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what I found was the most challenging
thing was I found out who truly was

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a friend of mine and who truly
was just a religious accouterment. Yeah,

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another caller going to take Terry,
who is a theist from Canada and who

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wants to whose call is about prophecy
being a proof of God. Terry?

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How are you hi, Terry?
Yeah, I heard. I heard the

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beginning of the show, and you
said you don't want no preaching, you

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want an argument. And if there's
an argument, you have ninety thousand people

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that could be converted. So VEWSTI
the chef is here to serve you something

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very delicious. So are you willing? Are you ready for an argument?

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Well? Good, yes, go
on. Then there's better be a court

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on blood argument. I am expecting
mischion ie star argument here. Yeah,

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yea. I'm gonna give you an
argument for sure. So this is a

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logistic argument. A modus ponent.
So if Jesus can demonstrate universal sovereignty,

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that will make them guys promise too. Jesus did demonstrate universal sovereignty in virtue

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of the fact that he predicted the
universal adoption of the seven day week as

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the evidence of his authority for all
nations. Conclusion, all nations keep a

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seven day week, going against the
religious and cultural practices. Therefore Jesus is

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God. So can we come to
the chef terran sl chef whatever you want

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to call yourself or whatever you calling
yourself these days? Can we cut to

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the chase and go to the actual
verse wherein Jesus made to this prediction.

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Yeah, yeah, we could definitely
do that. I never thought you would

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ask that question. So we can
go to Isaiah sixty six, verse twenty

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three. That's one of many Isaiah
sixty six pointy three. It says from

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new moon and from new moon to
new moon, and from Sabbath to establish

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will all flesh come to worship me. So I'm arguing for the the sabage

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Sabbath, which is intrinsically linked to
a seven day week. So for this

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part of the prophecy to be fulfilled, it requires a seven day week,

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and all nations during that time did
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So for this frock fulfilled okay,
you have, I don't worship God

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the seven day week universe. I
don't worship God. I don't worship God.

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I don't worship God. So we
have falsified that verse. What's your

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next argument, Terry? Terry question? Are you aware of Terry? Before

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we carry off? Are you aware
of the Soviet Union? Terry? Yeah,

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I did it in the nineteen thirty
Yeah, there you are you aware

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of the Soviet Union? Yes,
they had a five day week and they

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adopted it in the seventh and nineteen
thirty. Yes, and now you're where

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they also had a six day week? I'm sorry? Are you also where

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they had a six day week?
They had a five day week, and

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then they went to a six day
week. What's the point? But the

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point I'm getting it here is do
you know why they abolished the five and

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six day week and went to a
seven day week? Do you know why

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they abolished it? How about you
tell me they abolished it because factory maintenance,

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it was convenient to have one day
set aside a week to do factory

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maintenance as opposed to having rolling five
and six day weeks where people got different

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days off. So it had nothing
to do with any form of religiosity.

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And so my argument is, so
you're basically arguing the same thing that that

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guy said. I'm gonna address that. My argument is not predicated on your

408
00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:00.680
religious worship. My argument is God
to be God without your worship. Even

409
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your argument was predicated shut up and
let me speak, or I will get

410
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:13.279
rid of you faster than something that
gets rid of something very very fast,

411
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:19.000
because I can't think of anything at
the moment. But your arguments was one

412
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.960
of prophecy. The verse you gave
me to substantiate that was from a new

413
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:28.119
one moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, All mankind will

414
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.200
come and bow down before me,
says the Lord. I do not bow

415
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.720
down to God. I have falsified
your arguments. You, sir, are

416
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:42.039
wrong. Have you got another argument? Can I explain to you why that's

417
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.920
so ridiculous of your part, because
you know, because I have this demonstrated

418
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:51.079
absolutely that you are wrong. Have
you got another argument or not? Is

419
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.559
that it? Or you're just relying
on that that's just been falsified, really,

420
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:59.160
really easily. Yeah, we are
having a conversation. I falsified your

421
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.480
argument. I'm asking you if you
have another one. Your response should be

422
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.440
yes, I have another argument.
I have another line of prophecy which demonstrates

423
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.079
God or no, I do not. That's how a conversation works, do

424
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.400
you have so? Okay, So, basically what you're saying, I should

425
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.719
accept your ridiculous objection. It's not
a ridiculous objection. You gave me the

426
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.239
versa. You could have chose any
verse in the entire Bible. You're saying

427
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.679
that's reship. Why are you saying's
front of worship? Because you also brought

428
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:37.199
up universal sovereignty, and to bring
up universal sovereignty implies a level of universality,

429
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.599
and to have universality would require Richard
to do exactly what the verse says.

430
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.599
And without Richard doing exactly what the
verse says, there's no universality because

431
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.000
Richard isn't following that verse. So
therefore there's no universality of following that.

432
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.480
So that is the base reason as
to why that is a complete load of

433
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.400
horsemanure. As you brought up universality
in the first place, and for it

434
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.800
to be at you would have to
have universality. So Richard would have to

435
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:07.199
bow down before God. Oh yeah, universality. And in virtue of you

436
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.000
adopted a seventy week argument on your
practice of keeping a seventy week not your

437
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:23.599
worship you bought up. You brought
up up. Your lation was that there

438
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:30.480
is bowing down and worship before God. You brought up a universal truth by

439
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:36.760
the evidence and virtual requirement. For
that to be true, you have to

440
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:43.760
have universal compliance with whatever evidence you
have. Richard does not universally comply with

441
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.320
it. Therefore, you do not
have universal compliance. I do not universally

442
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.840
comply with it. You do not
universal compliance. One thing says you have

443
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.480
universal seven day weeks does not mean
that what you bought as your evidence has

444
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:04.400
any meaning whatsoever. Because the fallacy
and the logical loophole that I'm signing the

445
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:09.119
America's Cup through right now is being
demonstrated as being wider than my ego,

446
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.000
which is huge. Let me tell
you, Okay, you need you need

447
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:22.079
a tangilizer or something so much,
Terry, I've muted you just for the

448
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.239
moment. I'll get you back on
in a second. I'm going to I'm

449
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:30.199
just going to talk without you having
the ability to talk about the verse you

450
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.880
presented, which says from I'm using
the new International version, by the way,

451
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.840
from one new new moon to another, and from one sabbag to another,

452
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:43.559
which is the seven day week you're
referring to. Now this is a

453
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.000
prophecy part, not the seven day
week part. That this is a prophecy

454
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.000
part. All mankind will come and
bow down before me, says the lord

455
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.000
that has been falsified. You have
been shown to be wrong. Would you

456
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:04.679
like to respond to that particular point
and nothing else? You are unmuted?

457
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.199
Yes, so I could I could
address how ridiculous your claim was. First

458
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.079
of all, it starts off it
shall be. The verse starts off with

459
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.239
it shall be the prophet. That's
what That's what prophecies do, sir.

460
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.039
They start off with it shall be. You got caught again, You got

461
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.679
You're ridiculous. You know this is
what I mean, Right, Mark?

462
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.719
I have muted you again, and
I'm going to continue in muting you until

463
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.559
you addressed the specific point that I
ask you about. The verse which you

464
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.760
claim is a prophecy is all mine
hand will come and that bow down before

465
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:45.199
me, That has not happened.
That prophecy has not been fulfilled, so

466
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:52.239
that has not demonstrated the existence is
God your your call. Screening notes say

467
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:59.719
prophecy is proof of God past tense. It has been demonstrated, so that

468
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.480
has not being demonstrated. Would you
like to give you one more chance to

469
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:08.599
respond to that particular point that I
have raised in that verse that all mankind

470
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:13.840
will come down and bow down before
me? Would you like to address that

471
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.840
point? Sir? I am unmuting
you now, all right, so I'll

472
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.239
drive one more time and then hopefully
you don't panic this damage and show you

473
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.840
a copype of credibility. So number
one, I made it clear the whole

474
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.559
versus the prophecy. Number one and
number two as I relaced to your specific

475
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.639
claim where it says for all flogs
will come to worship me, I'm arguing

476
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.920
the fact that everybody keeps us seven
day week. First, if I say

477
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.880
two for six, then I know
the patterns, right. I don't care

478
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:45.000
about the first part because that's irrelevant
the part I'm the part I'm challenging,

479
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.000
sir, shut up. The part
I am challenging is the second part,

480
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.440
which states mankind will come down that
and bow down before me. Can you

481
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.840
address that part. I'm not interested
in the first part. It is irrelevant.

482
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.280
Can you address this second part of
that verse? Am I on?

483
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:06.440
Okay? So yeah, as it
relates to the second part, which is

484
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.519
talking about those who will be saved. If you go to Isaiah sixty sixth,

485
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:12.880
verse nineteen is referring to only those
who will be saved. But before

486
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.519
that, a seventy week had to
be universally adopted. That's what my don't

487
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.880
give a shit about the second day
weeks. That's not the part of the

488
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.239
verse I'm challenging. If you don't
understand that simple concept, thank you,

489
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:30.440
goodbye. This is not actually accurate
because I'm pretty certain that if I was

490
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.119
to go to some of the wealthiest
people in the United Kingdom, they would

491
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.039
turn around and ask you, what
is a weekend? What is a week?

492
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.039
What is a job? And I'm
pretty certain if I was to go

493
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.360
to some of the native tribes in
Amazonia, they wouldn't even keep a calendar,

494
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.679
let alone a seven day week.
So the claim of universality of a

495
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:57.320
seven day week is absolutely one hundred
percent nonsense because there is no way of

496
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:04.159
knowing whether the tribes on the Anderman
Islands keep a seven day week because those

497
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.199
tribes don't allow outsiders in and attack
outsiders to stop them from coming in.

498
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.480
So there's no way of knowing that
level of universality. And also it refers

499
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.760
to all flesh will bow down.
I wasn't aware the budgery guards and giraffes

500
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:23.559
and fish were bowing down. I
want to just make something very very clear

501
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:29.519
for the people who were or maybe
first time listeners, because I don't want

502
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.880
them to think that that's normally how
we speak to the people call into the

503
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:37.559
show. This show is about friendly
conversations and mutual exploration. That previous caller

504
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.960
has called several times before, had
his arguments thoroughly debunked several times before,

505
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.400
and keeps shooting dishonest tactics to try
and get back onto the show, using

506
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:55.440
pseudonyms and other guysers to pretend he's
not who he is and that the argument

507
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.199
he is making is not the same
old trash which has been debunked men many

508
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.920
times already. So you know,
for new religious callers at two points.

509
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.199
First of all, we will not
be talking to you like we talk to

510
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.960
him, unless you act like him
and be blatantly dishonest. And secondly,

511
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:21.599
if that's the best that Christianity has
to offer, then Christianity is in dire,

512
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.360
dire, dire straits. If you
think you can do better than that,

513
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.079
give us a call, because if
you don't call us, if you

514
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.760
don't call us, he is the
representation of Christianity that you are leaving us

515
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:36.840
with. And more, if you
believe it is in dire straits and you

516
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:42.760
remember of the band Dire Straits,
please call you. We will accept calls

517
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:51.400
from the members of the band Dire
Straits for reasons. Yes, that's told

518
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:52.840
you. Me and Phie we were
going to have fun during this show.

519
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.440
Number no matter what everybody else saught
right, we are going to jump to

520
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:06.000
the top five patrons. I'm going
to, as is tradition on the show,

521
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.400
get the guest to read them out. Sophie, we take it away.

522
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.280
So in the order that I have
been given them, the top five

523
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:22.639
patrons are Dinglebree Jackson, Oops A
Singularity, Darkwarf Games, Our Vagine,

524
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:28.480
and Calvert hell Vetti. Those are
our top five patrons. But we do

525
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.760
have to have vulnerable mention around these
parts. And that is our honorable mention

526
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.000
goes to Chris. Yeah, thank
you to all of you. We really

527
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:43.719
do appreciate the patrons. This cannot
be mentioned enough, and I don't think

528
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.440
it is mentioned enough that we you
know, we really really do rely on

529
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:53.880
your patronage. I put a thank
you message in the Patron Patron patre on

530
00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.320
patron thing you can support us.
That's the one and the way you'll get

531
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.079
your exclusive messages and exclusive content for
being a patron, and you know,

532
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.559
because I really really do appreciate and
we've got some great things planned for the

533
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.199
patrons in the future. And I
myself, by the way, I'm a

534
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.599
patron and have been since before I
was even a host of this show,

535
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.320
a long, long, many years
ago. In fact, I've been a

536
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.920
patron of this show for a long
time. So you know it's not bad.

537
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.039
We're not just asking you to throw
money at us. You know,

538
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.719
you know, I support the show. I love this show, and I've

539
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.800
supported this show for a long time, and I genuinely appreciate those of you

540
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.880
who do as well. Out there. We have, of course super chats

541
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.119
which you can send us and we
will read if they are appropriate to read,

542
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.000
and we have one from Matt No, it's not from Matt. Matt

543
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.800
who's posted it in our chats and
I've read it, so thank you Matt

544
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.639
for posting it in our chat for
my attention. Is in like monkey at

545
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:07.880
typewriter who has sent seo dollars and
says has undeniable truths, uses multiple aliases.

546
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:15.159
Yes, absolutely spot on FEBA.
Would you like to choose the next

547
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:24.519
call? I think that we should
take Luke from Florida. Okay, Luke

548
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:30.159
from Florida, who wants to talk
about humans are a connected species and have

549
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.519
the same brain. Luke, explain
to us what you mean. Well,

550
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.840
I believe you know, like any
other species, humans you know, have

551
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.519
the same brain and I'll be reproduced
have the same thing. And I believe

552
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.880
that humans have a lot of potential. You know, we work together to

553
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.039
your creat a perfect world, and
you don't always exist in that perfect world.

554
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.519
That makes sense. I'm sorry,
I don't quite understand what your what

555
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.400
you're referred to here, because what
do you mean by the same education,

556
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.840
Because that can't be true because everybody
will have a different experience in the world,

557
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.960
and as experiences form part of your
education. No, no, what

558
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:07.039
I'm referring to is everybody of the
same education and understood reality the same way,

559
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:08.639
then everybody could work together to create
a perfect girl. You know,

560
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.480
there wouldn't be like belief systems in
religion and different things like that. If

561
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.079
everybody understood science and everybody understood how
to build and develop and work together,

562
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.199
if we could create a perfect world
about harm or negativity. You know,

563
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.280
like you are you referring to a
utopian creation here, I guess you could

564
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.440
say that. I mean more of
what I'm referring to is just humans.

565
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.000
You know, see eye eye with
each other. You know, everybody understanding

566
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.559
the science that we're all the same, you know, because we do all

567
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.760
the same brain, we all have
that same organ and everybody having the ability

568
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:38.960
to work together to create a perfect
world. And what I believe to be

569
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.159
achieved through that is is in a
sense immortality. What do you mean by

570
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.559
have the same brain? I mean
I had the same type of eyes as

571
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.880
you, but I probably have a
different prescription on my glasses to you.

572
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.199
So are my eyes therefore the same
as yours? No? Well, I

573
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.360
mean when I say the same brain, I mean we have the same part,

574
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.320
you know what I mean? And
so yeah, and so what about

575
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:06.239
individuals who are non neurotypical. Do
they have the same brains as people who

576
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.960
are neurotypical. Well, what do
you mean by that? Elaborate a little

577
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.960
more so, neurodivergency. Are you
aware of the concept of neurodivergency? No,

578
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.639
what does that mean? So?
Neurodivergency is individuals who do not have

579
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:24.400
what is classified as standard thinking patterns, so dyscalculator, dyslexia, adhd,

580
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.480
autism, et cetera. People who
see the world in a different way to

581
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.519
people who are not diagnosed with any
of those kinds of conditions. Well,

582
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.039
I studied though a lie, and
what it comes down to is green in

583
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.280
white matter in the brain, and
those are the only differences, or in

584
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.960
chemicals too, and everybody in those
individuals, I mean, they have They

585
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.320
have the ability to increase the things. They can increase very matter, they

586
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.119
can increase white matter, and they
can increase chemicals by physical exercise or study.

587
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.320
More so, they have the ability
to be balanced. But I'm not

588
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.679
sure how we get to the creation
of a perfect world if we don't all

589
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.880
actually have the same base life.
Well, explain that allt more so,

590
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.519
the same baseline that you've just said
we all have the same brain. I

591
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:13.400
don't actually believe we will have quote
the same brain, because my brain will

592
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:19.880
be formed differently to Richard's brain and
your brain in the same way that my

593
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.480
muscles formed differently to use same bolts. Muscles. Your same bold, genetically

594
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:30.519
speaking, has better muscles for power
and sprint speed than I will ever will

595
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:36.000
ever have. So the genetics that
we have mean that we're not actually all

596
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.760
the same, and we can't be
all the same because otherwise we would never

597
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.800
have evolution, and we would never
move forwards, and we would never have

598
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:52.320
any way of diversifying our species,
and we would have genetic rot and we

599
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.880
would end up going extinct. No, I think that's that's a pretty far

600
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.239
reach. What I mean by the
same brain is that, yeah, everybody

601
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.440
has the same part. That way, it can change one persons, But

602
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.519
I mean people are different beliefs,
and obviously what do you mean by the

603
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.960
same parts. I mean, if
you look at brain anatomy, you can

604
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:08.920
clearly see all the parts in the
human brain, and everybody has all the

605
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:15.599
parts right and so, but that's
not a universal truth because evolution has allowed

606
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.320
us to move from having parts that
weren't there to parts that are there,

607
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.079
to having parts that are now redundant, that are no longer used, that

608
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:30.360
may be more pronounced in other people. So as evolution moves through, these

609
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:38.880
parts will change develop and either add
or subtract based on the evolutionary criteria and

610
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.760
the evolutionary trajectory that we're ending up
with. Well, I don't think there's

611
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.760
an evidence for that. I just
think that everybody has the same parts in

612
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:51.280
every part of the ka. Do
you believe in the theory of evolution?

613
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:52.679
Yeah, of course, I mean
that's what this is about. I mean,

614
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:57.599
you know, I'm just trying to
get to fundamentals here. What is

615
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:02.079
your opinion and your understand ending of
the theory of evolution? I mean I

616
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.239
do understand the human species, and
I understand species. I mean when we

617
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.840
reprocreate. Please answer my question,
what is evolution as far as you are

618
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.239
understanding it. I mean, it's
just how life got here. I mean,

619
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:16.960
that's about all anybody knows. But
but we do know the brain,

620
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.920
we could do you know, we
do know the brain, and we do

621
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.800
know the part in the brain and
everybody has Hang on a minute, do

622
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:30.239
you believe do you believe in the
theory of evolution that we evolved from water

623
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.119
based creatures that became land based creatures
that then became bipedal creatures and soul.

624
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.119
Do you agree with that line,
Yeah, yeah, of course. But

625
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.199
so if we were to go hang
on, So if we were to go

626
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.440
backwards, now we go back to
fish, and you compare the brain of

627
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.199
a fish and the brain of a
human, would you say that they are

628
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:57.199
the same brain because theoretically the brain
of the fish evolved into the brain of

629
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:01.079
the human over millions of years.
No, not at all. Obviously humans

630
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.960
have the same brain and fish have
different brains, just like rabbits have the

631
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.840
same hang on, So undercutting your
own argument here, So they give me

632
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.159
a second. What I'm referring to
is every human being has the same brain.

633
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:15.159
If you're a human, you have
the same in you know what I

634
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.119
mean, That's what I know.
There's you know, obviously evolution and how

635
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.039
they've got to this point. But
every human being, you know, has

636
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.039
the same brain. Every human being
has the same part. You know that.

637
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.639
That's what I'm referring to. But
this is this is this is you're

638
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.639
undercutting your own argument here, because
if you believe that evolution is something which

639
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:38.639
is occurring, and you and you
allow for mutation to occur, you and

640
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:45.079
you allow for things to change over
time. By default, you can't have

641
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.880
the human beings being fact similes of
each other. It can't have it.

642
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.679
It can't be true if you also
hold that evolution is a theory that you

643
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.679
accept and is credible. I don't
think that at all. I think evidence

644
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.760
shows that humans do have the same
brain. I mean, you can look

645
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.840
it up online and clearly you're missing
You're missing the fundamental point here. Now,

646
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:09.679
do you agree that evolutionary mutation can
and does occur, But that has

647
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.400
nothing to do with what I'm saying
now. But you're saying that humans are

648
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:19.840
facsimiles humans or what fact simile the
same over and over and over and over

649
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.280
and over again, Like when you
send a fact you will get an identical

650
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.559
copy out the other side. Yeah, well, I mean as far as

651
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.440
the brain goes, I mean,
the humans shared the same word. Do

652
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.119
you keep saying as far as the
brain goes? As if that sub assertion

653
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.719
that I'm just supposed to accept as
being true. No, no, no,

654
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.400
no, no, it's not an
assertion you have to accept. I

655
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.679
mean you can clearly see brain anatomy
by saying By saying you can clearly see

656
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:47.239
is another assertion that you're telling me
to accept. I'm providing you with theoretical

657
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:55.199
challenges to that based on evolution.
That you keep on saying this and this

658
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.840
and this is. You're just saying
it is. You're not, Actually,

659
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.159
I do mean any evidence to say
it is, because well, let me

660
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.159
rewind a little bit. We know
the human brain. We know every human

661
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.400
has the same brain with the same
part, stop and everything. We don't

662
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.440
know every human has the same brain
with the same parts. We know that

663
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:22.039
the majority of humans have the majority
of the same parts. We don't know

664
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:28.719
about genetic mutations in individuals that will
enhance the brain or may cause errors in

665
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:34.000
the brain. That's how genetic mutations
work. Changes over a long period of

666
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.719
time that are desirable are kept,
and changes over a long period of time

667
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.880
that are undesirable are lost. So
if you were to look at a human

668
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.719
from a million years ago and compared
to a human today, the brain would

669
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.280
not be the same. Okay,
but now where we're at now, every

670
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:55.079
human does have the same I refuse
to accept that every human has an identical

671
00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:00.360
brain. But they do. And
I mean, but you just say,

672
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:06.280
can I just let me just jump
in because I you know this. Phoebe

673
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:12.760
touched on it a little while ago
about neurodiversity and people with things like autism.

674
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.880
My son has autism. I've got
friends who've got autism, and their

675
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:22.800
brains do not operate in the same
way that my brain operates in They see

676
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:27.079
the world in a different way,
they address the world in a different way,

677
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.800
they react to the world in a
different way. And if your argument,

678
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:36.239
just to kind of condense it is
that if everyone got the same education,

679
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.599
because we've got the same brain,
we'd be able to create a perfect

680
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:45.360
world. Other than being a very
much a kind of a utopia kind of

681
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.679
argument, it wouldn't. I don't
think you're kind of grasping what Phoebe's saying

682
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.840
to you, and that is that
people don't just simply take the stuff in,

683
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:00.360
the information in in the same way. People react to things very very

684
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.039
differently in neurodiversity. People who have
conditions like autism, they do what's called

685
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:15.000
masking. They mask normal behavior,
normal social behavior, mainstream social behavior,

686
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.000
and then they go home and then
they kind of they just explode. The

687
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:27.320
brains can just explode in the they
have. It's their way of reacting to

688
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:31.840
the fact that they've been masking,
they've been pretending all day while they've been

689
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:37.800
out doing whatever they've been doing in
these social circumstances, to act like the

690
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:45.320
normal person, the everyday kind of
normal. And I'm doing that in air

691
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.840
quotes for those who are listening,
because I'm not suggesting there is a normal

692
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:57.559
as such, but the kind of
accepted societal behavior. And they go home

693
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.480
and they because they've been masking,
they react very very differently, and it

694
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.920
can be very very difficult for them
to have to do this masking. And

695
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:10.280
people just simply don't respond the same
way. Our brains are not all the

696
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:17.320
same chemically, and if we had
a level playing field with exactly the same

697
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:25.000
education, with exactly the same belief
systems, people would still respond differently.

698
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.119
And I think that's the point that
you're kind of missing in this. It's

699
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.000
a nice idea from a kind of
perfect world scenario thing, but it's just

700
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:42.079
it wouldn't happen. It couldn't happen
because that's not how we operate as human

701
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.880
beings. Our brains are set up, even even normal again, air quotes

702
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.800
brains are set up to fail.
That's what evolution has done. We make

703
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:59.159
mistakes. We are pattern recognition with
our brains are set up for pattern recognition,

704
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.360
and that means, in Layman's terms, they are set up to make

705
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:09.199
mistakes when we're trying to assess things. So we cannot. It's not a

706
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.920
case that we people don't want to, it's that we cannot process things in

707
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.880
this kind of idealized way you're putting
forward. Sure, sure, so let

708
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:23.920
me explain it from my perspective.
Okay, So the anatomy of the brain

709
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.840
means that everybody has the same part. Now, chemically, people can balance

710
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.079
out their chemicals through physical exercise,
do eating healthy. I mean that's a

711
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.559
proven fact. Okay, And so
you can hang on a minute, hang

712
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.320
on a proven fact. You keep
on making these assertions. A proven fact,

713
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.840
it is the same. I've got
a question. I've I've got a

714
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.559
question here for you. Do you
believe that my brain and your brain are

715
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.719
the same? Don't believe what that
my brain and your brain are the same.

716
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.119
I believe that we have the same
parts. So yeah, what did

717
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.119
it shock you to know that I
am a high functioning autistic woman. Oh?

718
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.519
Yes, I believe that. Yeah, we do have the same brain.

719
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.400
I have the same part. But
does it shock you that I'm a

720
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:12.639
high functioning autistic woman. I don't
know about high functioning artistic woman. I

721
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.440
know they have the same brain in
the same part too. Do they did

722
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.400
physical act? But you're you're missing
what I'm asking here. That's proven fact.

723
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.679
Stop saying that's proven fact because it's
not. You keep on making that

724
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.800
assertion, And the more you keep
making that assertion, the less rope I'm

725
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.079
going to give you to play with. Please stop making baseless assertions that this

726
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:37.400
is proven fact. This is the
way it is. Stop doing that.

727
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.320
That is very bad faith. And
it assumes that you and I know they

728
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:47.320
have the same outcome here. Please, do you find it surprising that I

729
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.400
am a high functioning autistic woman.
Let me talk. It is a proven

730
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.400
fact that was physical Actually, stop
stop on, just stop you there.

731
00:57:54.559 --> 00:58:00.199
Do not say it is a proven
fact. Do not say it just is.

732
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.559
Do not say things that are assertions
without actual evidence. Do not come

733
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:13.320
on here and expect us to just
believe what you say just because you say

734
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.559
it. If you can't do that, I will end this call. You

735
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.280
have one last chance if you turn
around and say it is, because it

736
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.000
is, I'm ending the call.
Go sure, wait wait wait, I

737
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.400
want to say one thing because you
kind of cut me off a little bit.

738
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.159
Are you still there? Yeah?
No, one will let end your

739
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:37.440
talk. Go on. I'm sorry. Just let me explain my part real

740
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.280
quick. Okay, okay, but
you cannot. If you cannot explain it

741
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:46.239
without using to explain it, assertions
that it is true because you're saying it

742
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.440
is, I'm going to end the
call. Explain it. No, no,

743
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.519
no. So I looked it up
on peer reviewed articles and it says

744
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.679
physical exercise can increase chemicals, physical
exercise can increase grain white matter. Those

745
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.480
are the only differences in the human
brain. And it could be and Lucas

746
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:07.239
left us right. Look, when
you're asked not to do something several times,

747
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.840
especially by a guest on this show
is not even the regular host.

748
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.280
One of the guests who've come on
has been invited on to speak. And

749
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:20.119
if they ask you several times not
to do something and you just repeat the

750
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.159
same thing, you're not going to
be stayed around to repeat it. Four,

751
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:30.519
fifth, sixth, seventh, how
many times physical exercise? You know?

752
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:37.760
I'm not autistic. Phoebe has stated
that she is our high functioning autistic.

753
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:44.159
What the suggestion that you're making implies
that what you're saying is with physical

754
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:50.239
exercise, Phoebe's autism will go away, which is nonsense. Richard will develop

755
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:57.320
the same autism as me if I
don't exercise. Yeah, yeah, that

756
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.800
wants to become autistic. Eat a
burger and s in your chair. To

757
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:06.440
become autistic, get on a treadmillan
do it right away. You know it's

758
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.519
you don't appear to be listening,
So please go back listen to the call

759
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:16.320
again and really try and digest what
we were saying. We have a couple

760
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:23.280
of more super chats. We have
Paulo Been who says who sends five euros

761
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.280
and says, Hi, Richard,
Hi, Paulo Been. Please tell me

762
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:34.599
what your accents is called? I
know really relevant to the show. I'm

763
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.360
going to throw this over to Phoebix
so Phoenix can tell you what's my accents

764
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:46.599
is called. I'd just say bloody
Northern. That will do bloody Northern.

765
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.000
So this is the thing. We
have this singing in Britain where you or

766
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.480
in England where you are from the
north, or from the South, and

767
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.840
that's it. That's the only demarcation
line we have. And I'm a proud

768
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:06.559
Sotherner and you will never get me
talking like a bloody Northerner. I'm from

769
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:13.239
the North. We we drink cups
of gravy, and he buy sandwiches and

770
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.880
take us whipp it to walk,
and we're never seen outside. We are

771
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.039
as flat caps. No we're not. So that's that's a demarcation line.

772
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:30.199
So what you're talking about, it's
bloody northern. Phoebe is a Southerner and

773
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:36.599
my accent is bloody northern. Thank
you for being very much appreciate that.

774
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:43.400
Quantum answer. Who has been a
member for two months hundred hundred exactly that?

775
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.159
How does that follow? Who says
that because Jesus made prophecy, he

776
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:52.559
is God? Why should that be
the case? Jesus was supposed to fulfill

777
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.159
prophecies, to be Messiah, not
make them. How is that first premise

778
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:04.079
substantiated? It wasn't, is the
short answer to that. I believe we

779
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.239
might have another super chat, which
I think I caught, but I can't

780
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.599
see it in the chat, and
if I hallucinated it, No, we

781
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:15.400
do have one which I I didn't
realize I had II because AI has this

782
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.000
wonderful thing of hallucinating things. So
if you're hallucinating them, are you really

783
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:25.480
or are you just artificial intelligence?
Richard hallucinating things? I am artificial intelligence,

784
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:30.159
Richard, I don't know. That's
what artificial intelligence sounds like. Miranda

785
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:37.639
Rensburger sends five dollars us saying having
different brains is a good thing. Neurodivergent

786
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.199
people see things in different ways and
the rest of us can learn from them.

787
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.639
Amen. So that's my lass.
I definitely agree with you there.

788
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.159
That's a that's a great one.
Did a deal. Let's have a look.

789
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.239
And Paul Obein has sent another five
for yours thank you, saying thanks

790
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.239
for the in for smiley face,
lots of love for you and from German

791
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:07.960
and femies not from Germanytscher, no, thank you. We appreciate the super

792
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:20.159
chat I'm going to bring. I
can't speak German. I have no idea

793
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.920
what she said here is four and
is five. And I accidentally knocked a

794
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.000
knocked a euro off when I accidentally
said thank you for your thank you for

795
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.519
the four years, when I should
have said thank you for the fives.

796
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:36.360
Thank you for I am going to
bring in. Oh, there was a

797
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.320
call I wanted to take about the
universe beginning. If that caller is still

798
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:44.320
listening, please do call back,
because I really I was really excited about

799
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:51.000
that call. In the meantime,
I'm going to take reluctantly Miguel who called

800
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.400
a couple of weeks ago, and
I'm going to be quite forth right with

801
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:02.320
them. So, Miguel, you
have said you've discovered proof of God and

802
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.360
you want to read your poem about
it. You're not reading your poem about

803
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:11.599
it. But I think last time
the hosts I don't remember we were talking

804
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:19.159
to was Jimmy and someone else maybe
Ben but maybe. But please, you

805
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:25.800
know, let's let's have a conversation
and let's address the parts where because you

806
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:30.639
can make lots of straw men in
the last conversation you had, Let's address

807
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:38.639
those and Miguel steal that's it.
Would you like to present your proof of

808
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.519
God? Miguel, yes, but
we have to go step by a step,

809
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.320
you know, because if we don't
go step by a step, we

810
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:50.519
don't go anywhere. You know,
because the last time, for example,

811
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:59.440
I the host didn't access you know
that reality is eternal. If okay,

812
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.960
like so when I stop you there, stop there, You're you're wanting to

813
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:10.239
go step by step, I'm more
than happy to do that. Reality is

814
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:19.679
eternal. Yes, did you listen
to the last call? Well, what's

815
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:24.880
did you listen to the substance of
the last call? No? No,

816
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.400
no, not really. What I
will say this now to you, and

817
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.280
I'll say this at the beginning to
you, Please do not make assertion that

818
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:40.000
you expect us to just believe.
The assertion that reality is eternal is wording

819
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.360
that you're giving to us, that
you're expecting us to just believe. Please

820
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:48.960
don't use expectations on us that what
you're saying is the case. Please don't

821
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:57.000
do that. Okay, from the
beginning lies to process. From the beginning,

822
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:03.559
that's something that's something that's a reality
to exist. Now, that's something

823
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:09.239
that does something exists. Now,
your reality exists? Yes or no?

824
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:14.079
Yes, reality exists. As far
as I'm concerned, reality exists. Yes,

825
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:17.519
yes, exactly. We are a
life. Not reality exists. The

826
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:25.519
second the second debate, The second
question is can reality be created from nothing?

827
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.360
I don't personally believe so, and
I don't think it was. And

828
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:34.519
it depends what you mean by nothing? Yes, nothing is absence of existence.

829
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:41.599
How do you the next question is
if you have an absence of something,

830
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.280
how do you then feel that if
there is nothing, as we're saying

831
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.039
here, there is an absence of
everything, how do you create something so

832
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:53.480
that there is no longer an absence
of everything? I mean, the point

833
01:06:53.599 --> 01:07:00.639
is from something that doesn't exist,
from something for nothing cannot be creative,

834
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.119
reality cannot beay, I agree,
and I would agree with that too.

835
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:09.679
Can't disagree with that exactly. So
the logical conclusion, the logical is a

836
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:17.280
straightforward conclusion. Logical conclusion is that
reality is eternal always no something no no,

837
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:25.480
no, no no, because you
are throwing eternal there, and eternal

838
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:30.280
can mean more than one thing.
Now, I have no problem with accepting

839
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:36.599
that reality is eternal. I have
no problem with accepting that whatsoever. But

840
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.760
it is not a self evident thing, and it can mean different things.

841
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:46.360
Does it mean that there is a
necessary being, and let's say that the

842
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:53.239
universe is in philosophy, is a
necessary being? That means it has to

843
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:59.519
exist? Or are you stating that
there is a past eternality built on a

844
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:04.440
series of events. I am saying
that always, no matter how bad you

845
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:10.920
go in time, always something has
existed. That's the fact. That is

846
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:16.000
pure and simple logic. From the
from that that is not pure and simple

847
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:23.079
logic. But I actually agree with
you, but so weird simple logic though

848
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:31.000
as the unless Phoebe disagrees in anyway, I'm happy to move on with the

849
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.279
argument. I'll let phoebea just quickly
response before we move on, and when

850
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:42.319
she's finished choking no long. You
know. The thing is, reality is

851
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.159
eternal, So reality is internal now
and always. You know, we don't

852
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.880
have to fight again for for for
that for that point, you know,

853
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:55.760
we move forward from that point now. The next question is can the universe

854
01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:00.920
be eternal? Is it possible or
impossible that you universe is eternal? The

855
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:06.279
universe isn't eternal. The universe we
know when the universe began. We have

856
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:10.600
red shifts, and you are are
going to eventually get blue shifts which show

857
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.439
you the age of the universe.
But the universe isn't necessarily the sum of

858
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.640
reality, or it is now,
but it's not always been the sum of

859
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:24.399
reality. Some of our known reality
does not necessarily mean that our unknown cannot

860
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:29.520
be factored into it. The thing
is, that's why I I wanted to

861
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.680
read the point, because I get
my points across. I explain with how

862
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:38.159
what I what I think about the
is who you understand because the debate I

863
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:40.800
know how it can I go.
You know, I have debated with asiers

864
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.680
and millions of times. You go
nowhere, nowhere, you know, because

865
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.159
there is always the bad, there
is a well, always say eve.

866
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.720
So basically that's that's my plan.
My plan was just I read my my

867
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:56.279
statement. I read what I think
about if if, if the universe can

868
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.800
come be or cannot be eternal.
And for the audience, if once understand,

869
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.359
they understand that's preaching. We asked
at the beginning, in the top

870
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:08.279
of the show, please don't preach
reading a poem and expecting other people to

871
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.920
just accept it's a form of preaching. Please don't come on to the show

872
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.840
and preach. Yeah, And the
thing is you said it was you discovered

873
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:20.479
a discovered proof of God. You've
not presented that proof of God. You

874
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:26.039
have so far. You've had a
conversation with us where we'll largely seem to

875
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:30.479
agree on things. We don't disagree
with you. None of that that we

876
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:35.640
agree with leads us anywhere near to
a God, never mind a specific one.

877
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:40.800
So is have you got a further
part of the argument which will take

878
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:45.079
us to God? Okay, I'm
going to splain why the universe cannot be

879
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.680
eternal. Again, we don't need
to know. Look, Miguel, we

880
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:53.000
don't need to explain why the universe
is not eternal because with both for the

881
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:57.000
sake of this argument, agreed with
you that the universe is eternal or might

882
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.640
be eternal. What we're asking you
now is how that relates to God?

883
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.399
Because she said, yeah, it
was proof of God. This discovery we're

884
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.199
waiting to hear. Please tell us
your discovery. Oh, I need to

885
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:11.760
talk. I cannot talk. I'm
not explaining myself like in the last call,

886
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.720
like it's all the time. I
need to explain myself. You're trying

887
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.039
to let you explain yourself. We're
asking you a specific question. When you

888
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.840
when you're just going to move on
to something we already acknowledge, we agree

889
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:28.279
with. Then there's no point like
in your talk, because it's not going

890
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:32.079
to further the conversation. How does
this relate to God? Let's get there.

891
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.199
We agree that the universe is a
turned on for the sake of this

892
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:41.039
argument. Now, let's take the
next step to you. What I am

893
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:45.439
saying to you is precisely the opposite. The universe cannot be eternal. It's

894
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.439
impossible. Do you understand? Why
is it impossible? Right? That's a

895
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.479
that's a that's a claim that you've
not made so far. So why are

896
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:59.359
you making the claim that the universe
cannot be eternal, which, by the

897
01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:03.399
way, started off by saying reality
and now saying the universe, which I

898
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:09.760
have already stated or might be different
things. Listen, listen, listen.

899
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:14.159
I say this is very simple,
Okay, I say reality is eternal,

900
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:18.800
and I say the universe it's impossible
to be eternal. Too simple a statement.

901
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.560
We agree, we agree with you. How does that get us to

902
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:30.439
God? We're not disagreeing because God
is the creator of the universe. And

903
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.399
if so, where is that coming
into this argument? How are you how

904
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:38.800
we are arguing for that? What
are you giving is evidence for that?

905
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.399
What are you giving is an argument
for that? I am giving you a

906
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:47.840
logical argument. The universe cannot be
eternal. Therefore, therefore what created the

907
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:53.880
universe is eternal. That's what we
call God. God. No, that's

908
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.319
what you call God. That could
easily be the singularity from which the universe

909
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:04.640
expands. Right, you're calling it
God, I'm calling it the singularity.

910
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:09.840
How do we make the differentiation?
What? What can you present us with

911
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:15.319
which will convince us that it wasn't
the singularity from which the universe came,

912
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:20.840
but it was God that caused it
to spring into existence. This listen,

913
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:27.039
listen. Okay, what I'm saying
is reality is a termal Yes, we've

914
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.279
done that little bit. We've already
done that bait. Let's stop doing that

915
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:34.079
bait. And let's let's give an
argument as to why it has to be

916
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:40.199
God. Because God by the Phoenician, God by the Phoenician, is the

917
01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:45.920
creator of the universe, and the
universe cannot be That's a circular argument,

918
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:50.199
sir. That's not logical. That
is circular. So let's go So I

919
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:55.319
am stating, let's make this really
simple. Listen, listen, listen,

920
01:13:55.399 --> 01:14:00.600
let's make this really simple. I
am stating that what the universe came from

921
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.000
was the singularity. You are stating
that it is God. How are you

922
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:10.079
demonstrating that it is God? Because
God by the Phoenician, by the Phoenician,

923
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:14.279
God is what created the universe.
Do you understand No, no,

924
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.000
no, no, I'm stating that
by definition, what created the universe was

925
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:23.279
the singularity. We know that the
universe came from singularity. So what you

926
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.680
now have to do is show that
both it didn't come from the singularity,

927
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:31.600
which is what we know actually happened, and that instead of the singularity,

928
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.359
God brought it into existence. That's
what you have to do if you're now

929
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:41.279
making a logical argument. But you
when you call the singularity, what you

930
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:46.359
are what you're saying is is more
the universe was created by moral universe,

931
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.800
because there is no intelli no no, no, no no. I'm not

932
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:54.439
saying that. That's not what I'm
saying at all. I'm not saying that

933
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:59.479
the universe was created by more universe. It's maybe that that's the case,

934
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.359
but that that's not what my argument
is. My argument is as the science

935
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:08.199
shows, all that we know at
the moment is that the universe came from

936
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:13.159
the singularity. That's where it expanded
from. That's it. That's all I'm

937
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.560
saying. That it came from the
singularity. You're saying, no, no,

938
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.399
no, it came from God.
Why are you first dismissing the singularity

939
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:28.119
and secondly imposing God there instead.
All right, because the singularity has a

940
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:33.479
beginion of existence. The singularity,
the singularity the scientific people are talking about,

941
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:38.640
has the beginning of the sixth time. That singularity is no, no,

942
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:41.760
no, no, we don't know
that. Nobody in there is no.

943
01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:46.520
There are many hypotheses around this in
physics, but there is no scientific

944
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:53.000
theory accepted theory that says that the
singularity had the beginning of existence. We

945
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:57.520
don't know that. For all we
know, for using philosophical language, for

946
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.800
all we know, the singularity could
be a necessary being. We know that

947
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:06.640
the universe came from the singularity.
We do not know that there is a

948
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:12.960
God. So why are you dismissing
the singularity which we have knowledge of,

949
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:19.560
and asserting God in its place?
Because when when when athis referred to a

950
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:26.039
singularity, the multiverse, the Big
Ban, or anything else. They are

951
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:30.159
all different things that you've just referred
to. So let's stick with the one

952
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:33.600
thing we're actually talking about, which
is the singularity. Do you have an

953
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:38.039
understanding of what the singularity is?
Yes, I know, I know what

954
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:43.800
it is. Basically what atheists say
the universe was created. This has nothing

955
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.640
to do with atheists. Do you
have an understand what understanding of what the

956
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:53.159
singularity is? Yes, it's something
that created a universe, but without intelligence,

957
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:55.960
am I right? So what?
Yeah? But do you have an

958
01:16:56.039 --> 01:17:00.800
understanding of what it is other than
something an adult? I actually object to

959
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:10.359
the word created because that implies an
intelligence, something putting something into motion via

960
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:16.439
listen will please. The point is
that what you're saying is that something caused

961
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:21.920
the but that that that thing was
caused by by by something else. You

962
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:26.600
know. No, no, no, no, no, that is not

963
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.600
what I am saying. I have
said this many many times during this conversation

964
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.720
that that is not what I'm saying. And this is exactly why after your

965
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:39.000
call last time, in your many
many comments in the comments section, I

966
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:43.600
repeated to you that you were straw
manning the hosts and you're doing it again.

967
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:46.359
Now. That is not what I
am saying. I am not saying

968
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:51.800
that it comes from something else.
That's not what we understand the singularity to

969
01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:59.000
be. Do you understand what a
singularity is? Yes, the singularity for

970
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:04.039
you, not for me. Do
you understand what a singularity is? Yes?

971
01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:08.840
I understand what a singularity, explain
to me is then give me a

972
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:15.399
steel Man argument of what a simple
one two line sentence of what a singularity

973
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:20.359
is in physics, A singularity is
something without intelligence that costs the universe?

974
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:26.079
Am I right? No, you
are not right. A singularity is something

975
01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:31.199
that is a state of infinite density
and temperature. It's where all the physics

976
01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:36.279
that we do know break down.
That's why we can't see any further than

977
01:18:36.279 --> 01:18:40.439
it, because we don't have the
mathematics to work there. So that's what

978
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:46.600
a singularity is. Nobody is suggesting
at all. Nobody is suggesting at all

979
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:51.720
that the singularity was created by something
else. If it's not eternally, it

980
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:59.399
was created but something else is as
simple as that. It orderssertion. That's

981
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.079
about how it's not eternal or assertion. Yeah, how do you know it's

982
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:08.840
not eternal because it was? Course, because you know it wasn't. We

983
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:13.439
have no evidence that the singularity was
caused whatsoever. We do not have any

984
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:17.439
evidence for that whatsoever. Why are
you asserting that it is caused because it

985
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:27.600
has no intelligence? Because that intelligence
something not having intelligence does not need a

986
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:33.279
prerequisite that it was caused. Coronavirus
has no intelligence, or of course,

987
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:38.239
if it has no intelligence. It
was caused you know, it was from

988
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:47.880
something else? No? Right?
Right? You one more chanced Miguel to

989
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:54.560
kind of state why this has to
be God? And without straw manningers and

990
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:59.199
saying we think that the singularity was
caused, which isn't the case. Can

991
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:03.279
you stay why it wasn't the Singularity
that brought the universe into existence and it

992
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:08.439
was God. What I'm saying is, what has the beginning of existence?

993
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:14.039
What has the beginning of existence?
What's created by? What is eternal?

994
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.680
You know, logically, what has
the beginning of existence? Not logically?

995
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:21.560
No, not logically. And on
that note, I'm going to let you

996
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:27.880
go because I'm sorry if you had
it's very confused. I'm very confused.

997
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.560
And I just want to point out
as well, so the person called reasonable

998
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.760
face in the chart give us a
call. Don't talk shit in the chart,

999
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.279
because that's exactly that what I was
talking about at the beginning of the

1000
01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.960
show. If you've got a problem, call in and present an argument,

1001
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:48.640
Phoebe anything to add to that call. I think that's the chartist you've ever

1002
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:54.560
seen me. I think that's the
quartst you've ever seen me. It was

1003
01:20:54.600 --> 01:21:00.520
just like Richard's got this. Richard, things like this really frustrate me because

1004
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.520
you know, I love philosophy,
I really really do. And on every

1005
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:10.720
occasion when you have these conversations,
this kind of special pleading is done that

1006
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.960
what is a necessary being has to
be gone and that is what the universe

1007
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:20.199
has to have been brought into existence
by that. None of those kind of

1008
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:28.000
a priori thinking, they're not a
priori arguments not self evident, and it

1009
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.479
really frustrates me with that. And
I also I am really into kind of

1010
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:34.640
cosmo. I'm not a professional cosmologist. I'm a complete layman, but I

1011
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:40.039
really enjoy reading about cosmology and things
like that. And I hear these calls,

1012
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.760
and I hear these apologies trying to
make these arguments, and they get

1013
01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.960
the information wrong all the time,
even from my basic understanding of it,

1014
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:55.319
and they all kind of need to
They jump onto vague like kind of scientific

1015
01:21:56.319 --> 01:22:02.119
weekly headlines that give sensationalist headlines to
think and completely miss the point of the

1016
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:08.640
actual things that are being discussed,
and really frustrating. I feel like today's

1017
01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:12.239
calls, I've had to, you
know, channel my inner other host.

1018
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.319
I felt like I've had to channel
my inner Shanning Queue with some with some

1019
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:18.640
brain stuff, my inner Forest with
some brain stuff in a case, Montgomery

1020
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:25.000
with some dickheads, and my inner
doctor Ben with you know, the biology

1021
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:27.680
stuff. I feel like I've had
to channel a lot of other hosts here

1022
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:31.720
today. Yeah, we we have. We are not without more callers.

1023
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:38.239
I think all the super chats have
been read, So without further ado,

1024
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:45.640
let's pick up another call. This
is a buddy from Michigan who says his

1025
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:49.600
friends started doubting faith and he wants
tips on how to talk to them.

1026
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.800
Buddy, Hello, do you want
to kind of give us that? In

1027
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:59.239
your own words? Hello, Buddy, Hello Richard, Hello Phoebe. I

1028
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.439
am so sorry that you guys had
to deal with some nonsense from a couple

1029
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:10.960
of problematic callers. Uh. That's
ridiculous, especially because at least one of

1030
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:21.119
them was, you know carry Uh. A friend of mine recently told me

1031
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:30.000
that she has been struggling for a
long time and has started Her specific words

1032
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:35.119
were, you know, it's been
difficult for me in my situation. I

1033
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:39.640
said, I understand, because you
know, stuff is how it is these

1034
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:45.840
days. I know that she'll find
some employment soon. She's mostly having monetary

1035
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:48.159
issues. She says, she hopes. So I'm getting all tired of this.

1036
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:51.159
I don't know my faith anymore.
I asked, what do you mean?

1037
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.720
She says, I mean I'm hopeless, And I said, no,

1038
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:59.079
you aren't. Don't say mean things
about my friend like that. It's like

1039
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.680
being that's like a michigander and not
knowing where to point on your hand to

1040
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:06.000
say where you come from. I'm
sorry, I said, that's like being

1041
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:10.359
a michigander and not knowing where on
your hand to point to say where you've

1042
01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:15.600
come from. Yeah, but it's
weird because I know where I come from.

1043
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:19.520
I know it. It's an odd
thing. So how long has your

1044
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:25.680
friend been experiencing what they have brought
to you? Oh, I've only known

1045
01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:30.000
them for a few months since the
beginning of the year. But at the

1046
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.960
very least, they're at this point
a good friend of mine now and I

1047
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.560
want to do everything I can to
support them. But they kind of dodged

1048
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:43.520
the question of what do you mean
when I asked what do you mean about

1049
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:46.119
your questioning your faith? And she
was just like, well, I feel

1050
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.439
like I'm hopeless. And I was
like, well, don't say that about

1051
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:54.960
yourself. And I have already told
her that I'm atheist, and you know,

1052
01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.159
she was like, oh okay,
and we just tabled that. But

1053
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:03.720
I'm just curious how I should approach
such a situation because I don't want to

1054
01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:11.680
bait them into you deconstruction or anything
like that. That's not fair to anybody.

1055
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:15.680
Are you comfortable saying what flavor of
religion or where they're coming away from?

1056
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.520
Sorry? Are you comfortable saying which
flavor of religion they're coming away from?

1057
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:25.359
Please don't reveal any information that may
identify this person, but are you

1058
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:29.760
comfortable saying which flavor of religion they're
coming from? I know it's Christian,

1059
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:34.439
I don't know which denomination I'm assuming
Catholic because you can only get better from

1060
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:43.560
there. Are you aware of the
theory of street epistemology. No, I

1061
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.920
am not, baby, So my
understanding of it is you start to ask

1062
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:54.520
the base questions why, and you
start to break down the individual things.

1063
01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:59.840
Richard jumping if I'm getting the definitions
of street epistemology incorrect here, because I

1064
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:03.279
always get it slightly mixed up in
my head. But it's about making sure

1065
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:12.359
that you break down the understanding.
And I would always approach them as a

1066
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.439
friend, and I would just try
to be a friend to them. I

1067
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.079
don't know what you have to say, Richard, Yeah, I think I

1068
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:23.920
think it's important to make them feel
comfortable. And you know, you know

1069
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:29.039
you have your friends. So your
friends doubt in faith, they know that

1070
01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:32.119
you're an atheist. How often do
you interact with them, and in what

1071
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:38.479
kind of circumstances do you interact with
them? Pretty much daily on faith book

1072
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:45.159
jet right, so, and what
conversations roughly you don't have to go into

1073
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:51.800
personal lives roughly kind of what conversations
do you have? Do you have kind

1074
01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:57.159
of philosophical conversations? Do you talk
about things like that or is it all

1075
01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:02.159
kind of what computer game I played
last week? Sometimes she brings up church,

1076
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:08.520
sometimes she doesn't. She thanks God
every now and then. You know,

1077
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:13.800
it's generally just friendly chat. You
know, I'm silly, You're silly.

1078
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:20.560
I'm glad your dog doing how your
can't do and all that. Yeah,

1079
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:26.520
I think I think in this situation, what I'd tend to do is

1080
01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:32.800
I very rarely interact with my religious
friends on faith on Facebook in a kind

1081
01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:36.159
of in this you know, why
do you believe what you believe kind of

1082
01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:41.600
way. I have a lot of
religious friends, and I have had a

1083
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:45.520
lot of religious friends over the years. I've been stayed at Buddhist montaries,

1084
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:50.960
I've been to eat meals mosques,
I've been invited to church services because this

1085
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:57.680
is what I do. I'll talk
to religious people all the time. But

1086
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.279
I talked to him on on in
a lot of the case on a kind

1087
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:06.359
of the level of let's explore this
thing together, let's do this religious work

1088
01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:13.319
together and through university, because that's
what we do at university and things like

1089
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:15.640
that, which we talk about that
we work together on projects and things.

1090
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:21.800
So that's that's kind of I wouldn't
go into those situations talking to those people

1091
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:27.880
and suddenly start asking them why they
believe what they do. However, if

1092
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.399
I had a friend who was bringing
it to the table, let's say,

1093
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:35.119
and you know, there was a
recent example of this of one of these

1094
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:40.520
people who is doing the same university
course as I have as a Christian,

1095
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:45.600
and we had we had to come
so were going, oh, I'm sorry,

1096
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:54.399
it's the literal words that she types
were Uh sorry, I got to

1097
01:28:54.439 --> 01:29:00.920
scroll up the wind where is it? Yeah, So if somebody brings it

1098
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:05.520
to the table. Then I would
see that as an opening to have that

1099
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:11.720
conversation with them. Think that I
think it's I think in a way that

1100
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.720
you know, when somebody says something
like that, when they bring it to

1101
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.680
the table, they're inviting you to
have that conversation with them, so you

1102
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.079
know. And then that is when
I asked, what do you mean to

1103
01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:28.159
kind of charge the question and just
replied with I'm hopeless, And I said,

1104
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:30.560
don't say something like that. He
said, what do you mean,

1105
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.439
Well, you're strong, you're determined, You're not going to give up.

1106
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:39.000
I know you're not. Yeah,
there's there's a couple of organizations that you

1107
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:45.720
can kind of reference your friend too. One is Recovering from Religion and the

1108
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:51.159
other is Freedom from Religion Foundation,
And they're both really really good organizations for

1109
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:57.079
kind of that your friend can get
in touch with and have these conversations with,

1110
01:29:57.319 --> 01:30:02.880
or even you can call these organizations
for kind of advice on how to

1111
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:08.960
talk to your friend. Also,
we have one of our hosts, objectively,

1112
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:15.520
Dan Is. Yeah, Dan,
Dan is someone when when Phoebe was

1113
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:19.239
talking about street epistemology, Dan came
out of religion and I'm sure he won't

1114
01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:24.920
mind me saying this. This is
well publicized. Dan came or started doubting

1115
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:30.159
because he was stopped in the street
by a guy called Antony Magnabosco, who

1116
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:33.600
is a street epistemologist, and he
asked Dan what he believed and why he

1117
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:39.840
believed it, and started this chain
of events. And this has eventually led

1118
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:45.319
Dan out of religion. So it
might be worse calling back when Dan's hosting

1119
01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.279
to kind of get his view on
this, because he would really be able

1120
01:30:48.359 --> 01:30:51.319
to kind of talk you through this
a lot better than I can. Has

1121
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:57.560
never been religious myself, and I've
never come out of religion, so I

1122
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:02.039
will keep an eye out for objectively
Dan, And I mean maybe he'll show

1123
01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:05.319
up in the after show discord or
something like that and I can act them

1124
01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:10.399
there and not even bone line like
that would be super cool. I mean,

1125
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:12.800
feel free to call the show when
it's on. I'm sure we'd love

1126
01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:16.119
to take your call. But in
the meantime, yeah, to take I

1127
01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:19.880
think to put it in the chat
if you've got access to the chart,

1128
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:25.399
They've put the links for recovering from
religion in there, so if you want

1129
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:29.960
to kind of have a look at
that, even for yourself in the meantime,

1130
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.760
But I'm going to let you go. I appreciate your call. Give

1131
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:38.479
Dan a call back, Really,
do give Dan a call back and have

1132
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.680
this conversation with him. I think
that's the better place to do it.

1133
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.359
Phoebe, have we got Do you
want to take another one? Have you

1134
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:47.039
got time to take another call?
Yes? I've got time to on more

1135
01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:54.039
call. I think I think we
will take Adam from Tennessee, who thinks

1136
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:59.840
most theists take the Bible more literal
when it is likely more mythological. And

1137
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:05.439
what do the hosts think about that? Hello, Budday, it's somebody who

1138
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:11.159
we're talking to. It is Adam's
apologies, Adam. Uh, talk us

1139
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:15.159
through it, talk us through what
you're asking. Yeah, so I just

1140
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.319
kind of have a question. Uh. So when you look at Christian symbolism,

1141
01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:24.960
uh, and you look at churches, you'll see a zodiac cross on

1142
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:29.640
top. It depends on what denomination. Each of them have different stuff like

1143
01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:33.279
Pentecostals show the fire. Uh.
And if you look at older cultures like

1144
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:41.039
Egypt, the Sumerian, Greeks,
Persia, Uh, they all have and

1145
01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:47.000
they're all stimular to each other.
But just told differently and betrayed it a

1146
01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:51.600
little different, but still if you
look at medieval art going back and you

1147
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:58.119
look at biblical symbology, you can
kind of pinpoint the players that you're looking

1148
01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:02.960
at and uh, kind of correlate
them with the constellations and the sky and

1149
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:08.920
what they're doing with the star that
it's named after and what it represents.

1150
01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:14.920
And then if you look at the
story of Jesus's life from birth to ascension,

1151
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:19.039
you can pretty much trace it out
on the ecliptic that the sun takes.

1152
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:25.079
And the numbers in the Bible too
that they reference are kind of more

1153
01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:30.600
hermetic, and the Bible to me
is kind of just telling you stories about

1154
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:34.359
choices and stuff like that. But
it's you know, it says in the

1155
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:40.760
Bible and the prayer on earth as
it is in heaven. So I just

1156
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:43.319
kind of want your thoughts on that. I mean, we can look at

1157
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:48.720
revelations and revelations means to reveal,
and if you take just Revelations twelve nine,

1158
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:55.199
it says the great Dragon was thrown
out the ancient serpent also known as

1159
01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.720
the devil, saying the adversary,
the deceiver of the whole world. He

1160
01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:02.439
was hurled down to the earth,
and his angels were hurled down with him.

1161
01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:08.279
I think what they're saying is he's
just going down to the horizon and

1162
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:13.720
leaving the season that we're in.
And what follows is the other constellations.

1163
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:18.279
And then also if you look at
Egypt, the Wisdom Keepers, there was

1164
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:24.239
a riddle back then with the pinx
and finx and Greeks means fingo, our

1165
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.800
singo means to bind. And if
you look at the zodiac, which is

1166
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:34.399
called the Mazaroth in the Bible,
it's kind of telling you the prophecies of

1167
01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:40.840
the Bible in order from Virgo to
Leo, and the first propheties he starting

1168
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:45.880
with Genesis three point fifteen, and
I will put enmity between thee and the

1169
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.039
woman, and between thy seed and
her seed. It shall bruise thy head,

1170
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:51.479
and thou shall bruise his heel.
Well, if you look at the

1171
01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:58.840
compilations of Bots and the Virgo and
where Hercules and all these they've got,

1172
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.159
you know, the constellations bruising the
serpent's head and the seed. If you

1173
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:09.359
look at the Virgo, she's holding
a branch and uh wheat stalk in her

1174
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:14.640
hand, but uh there's you know, so the branch. I guess I

1175
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:17.279
could say, uh, I guess
we can go to Isaiah four. In

1176
01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:21.399
that day, shall the branch of
the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and

1177
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.479
the fruit of the earth shall be
excellent and comely for that shape of Israel.

1178
01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:30.439
Well, the fruit when we're talking
about Virgo would have to be the

1179
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:34.680
fruit off of the tree, because
if you look at the constellations, you

1180
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:39.560
got Hydra, the snake, Virgo, and the Otis, which the os

1181
01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:43.560
would be Adam, Virgo would be
Eve, and Hydro would be the snakes

1182
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.960
that turned into the snake if you
look at the pull star. Okay,

1183
01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:49.680
so let's let me let me just
let me just stop you that I'm going

1184
01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:55.039
to kind of throw it over to
Phoebe because she looks like she's got something

1185
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:59.560
to say. But I'll let Phoebe
start and then I'll kind of jump in

1186
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:02.319
in a little later on. So
are you saying that when you say that

1187
01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:09.359
most of this take the Bible more
literally? Are you saying that with the

1188
01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:14.680
examples who have just given that there
is a literal belief that what is written

1189
01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:20.520
there is believed by some who follow
the theistic teachings of the Bible, that

1190
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:25.920
these individual things could occur today.
Is that one of the things that you're

1191
01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:29.760
trying to say here. I'm just
trying to get the point you're coming from

1192
01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:33.520
here, because I understand that from
my experience there's a lot of very deeply

1193
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:39.039
religious people say a lot of things
about the Bible. But if you were

1194
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:42.880
to then challenge, Okay, when
did you see the burning bush? When

1195
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.680
did you see a man walk through
the desert for forty days? When did

1196
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.359
you see the when the Immaculate conception? Today they can't actually point to them

1197
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.640
and they just go, oh,
no, no, no, no,

1198
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:54.680
no, it only happened. Then
are you saying that some of these people

1199
01:36:54.680 --> 01:37:00.680
believe that today could happen as well. Well, I think they are just

1200
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.000
kind of confused about I think we
all could be confused. I think we

1201
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:08.880
could all be wrong. I just
alls understands we need to look at uh,

1202
01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:12.800
you know, kind of do our
homework and really look at these things

1203
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:17.840
before we put our beliefs in them
and really judge them by education and not

1204
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.880
feelings, because a lot of Christianity
has done off of feelings. This feels

1205
01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:27.119
good, it's comforted, you know
it gives them feeling, and I'm just

1206
01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:30.000
saying, we need you think that
having that comfort and feel good is a

1207
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:34.119
bad thing in general? No,
I don't, because I think the Bible

1208
01:37:34.199 --> 01:37:40.359
is teaching us choices between the you
know, uh, the way we could

1209
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:44.399
go that's more pleasing to everybody here
on earth, or we could go the

1210
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:48.560
bad way that's just more selfish and
deceitful. But I do there are certain

1211
01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:56.159
elements of the Christian Bible, such
as the King James Translation and the other

1212
01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:59.880
International Mentions, that do have some
things that some people would find very comforting,

1213
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:04.199
but there are absolutely grotesque, like
how much could the first door to

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be sold? For example? Red. Yeah, the Bible is absolutely gross.

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I do not take any moral and
I don't think anyone should. If

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if you're going to take Exodus twenty
one as morality, kind of morality kind

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of goes off the table in my
book. But as far as the prophecies,

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though, it's Uranus in Greek was
the kingdom of heaven. So when

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Jesus was saying the Uranus, I
can't get the work first. I don't

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really want to quote it right now. I don't have it in front of

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me, but he's just saying,
the kingdom of heaven when you go into

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the age of Aquarius. Uranus is
the planet of Aquarius. And I think

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he's just saying, when you the
kingdom of that will happen. Like we're

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just going from one age to another. He's just talking about different ages.

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And there's you know, other stuff
in the Bible like Psalm sixty one,

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but God shall shooting era. I
think there's two ways that I'd like to

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kind of come at this from.
I'm sorry for interrupting you, but I

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think on one hand, your kind
you seem to be kind of doing the

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opposite of what the Christians who you've
called in about are doing, and that's

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rather than taking it literally, you're
kind of in putting in your own interpretation

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01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:24.960
into what's written in there, which
may or may not be correct. But

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I think though the more important point, rather than kind of this interpretation you're

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kind of giving us about these zodiac
kinds and things, is that the Bible

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is lots of different books. I
was going to say it's a big book,

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but it's a collection. It's a
big book which is a collection of

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lots of different books, and it's
a what do they call it it's a

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01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:50.399
bound version, yeah, and it
has. It's been it's been written over

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01:39:50.439 --> 01:39:56.560
a long period of time by many, many different people, and it has

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01:39:56.680 --> 01:40:02.680
taken on different meanings and different interpretation
over that time, even within groups that

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01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:09.560
proclaim to kind of be the same
groups. So let's take Protestants, for

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01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:15.760
example, a group of Orthodox Christians
who believe that the Bible is true.

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And if you ask any number of
Protestants, they might have different interpretations of

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01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:30.079
what different verses mean. So it's
very difficult to say that. It's difficult

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01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:36.000
to say from the outset that theists
take the Bible literally, because they don't

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01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:41.680
all take it literally, and it
depends which part of the Bible they're looking

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01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:45.520
at and you're talking about. But
it's also very difficult to say that there

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01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:54.880
is a correct interpretation of it.
I've been studying religious texts seriously for probably

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01:40:54.920 --> 01:41:00.640
about fifteen years, not just Christian
ones, lots of different texts, Buddhist

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01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:05.880
ones, Islam, and you get
this thing in all of them where you

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01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:13.159
can kind of there there is an
art yardstick, and even if there is

1251
01:41:13.279 --> 01:41:16.520
a yardstick presented, you can trace
where that yardstick comes from. But there

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01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:24.920
isn't a yardstick implicit that tells you
how you must interpret a religious text.

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01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:30.439
Depend there are different ways to read
religious texts, and they are all legitimate,

1254
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:38.119
and there are arguments within all of
those readings as to how you do

1255
01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:43.239
that. So you might have people
who argue from a history point of view

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01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:47.199
about the Bible. You might people
have people who are religious believers who read

1257
01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:50.760
it from a believing point of view. You might have people who read it

1258
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:56.880
from the point of view of textual
criticism. And within all these different areas,

1259
01:41:57.279 --> 01:42:01.560
people will disagree on exactly what the
meaning is. This is why we

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01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:10.159
have huge kind of sweths of scholarship
about it. I have the misfortune a

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01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:14.760
lot. It sounds a lot like
my line of work being in the legal

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01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:18.279
field, because you can have the
same text written and you can have fifty

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01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:24.840
different people in the legal world all
interpreted completely differently. Yeah. And the

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01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:30.359
difference between the legal world and the
religious world is there is no centralized authority

1265
01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:31.800
that you can go through to say, please tell us what this means,

1266
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:36.720
right, Yeah. And I think
that this is where the problem kind of

1267
01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:42.880
arises in that we don't have this
yardstick, and we have all these different

1268
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.399
ways to read it. They're all
legitimate ways to read it, and yes,

1269
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:50.079
I include religious belief. It's a
legitimate way to read a religious text.

1270
01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:57.960
It might not necessarily give you the
correct history, but it may be

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01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:03.560
grounded in logic, but it is
still a legitimate scholarship on that passing of

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01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:09.359
the library, that is the religious
text that you are ingested. And there's

1273
01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:13.520
not only different ways to read it, there is there's a whole fields of

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01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:19.520
study dedicated to how it was put
together and the language books were included,

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01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:25.600
which books were excluded, which books
were amalgamated, which books were pared down,

1276
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:30.800
what the actual translation into different languages
is. So there are different languages

1277
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:35.520
where if you translate between the languages, you can't translate it as written.

1278
01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:41.159
So there's a Cornish language version of
the Bible, and there's an English language

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01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:44.439
version of the Bible. And if
you then translate the Cornish language version into

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01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:47.520
another language and then back into English, the meaning will change because the differences

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01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:55.000
in the languages themselves, that will
cause the words that are untranslatable or ambiguously

1282
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:59.199
translatable to be changed. It reminds
me of the beginning of the film Snatch.

1283
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.560
If anyone in the beginning of the
film Snatch. They have a really

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01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:08.279
good bit on the interpretation of the
Bible, and I would advise people just

1285
01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:15.119
to ingest that beginning bit of that
movie because it talks about the interpretation of

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01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:20.720
the word virgin and young woman from
Greek and that is a really good piece

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01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:29.319
of biblical scholarship. Yes, and
I think I'm going to I'm kind of

1288
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.319
going to wrap up, and I'm
going to give you a chance to respond

1289
01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:35.079
in just a second, Adam,
But I think the short answer to your

1290
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:42.960
question is that theists don't always take
the Bible literally literally depends who they are

1291
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.960
and how they interpret it. There
is no yardstick to take it literally from,

1292
01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:56.439
and it is partly mythological. Is
there's lots of different aspects to it

1293
01:44:56.479 --> 01:45:00.479
and lots of different legitimate ways to
read it. It takes a life time

1294
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:08.439
of scholarship to even become even familiar
with a lot of these ways. And

1295
01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:11.479
trust me, I have my head
and I am not making I am not

1296
01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:15.479
lying when I say this. I
have my head stuck in religious journals on

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01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:21.039
a daily basis, and have done
for at least the last ten to fifteen

1298
01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:27.640
years. And I'm still only scratching
the surface of some of this stuff.

1299
01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:33.279
So it's yes, you're right in
a very very very broad sense, but

1300
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I would encourage you to kind of
look at it more in depth before kind

1301
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:45.319
of making blanket statements and painting people
with broadbrushers. We are near the end

1302
01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.399
of the show. I'm going to
let you respond and then I will I

1303
01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:53.239
will let you go, Adam,
Okay, yeah, no, I just

1304
01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:56.640
wanted to get your opinion on it, because, like I said, you'll

1305
01:45:56.680 --> 01:45:59.079
do more study than I do.
I just wanted to catch your wife.

1306
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:03.800
I think you'll on and I appreciate
the feedback, and yeah, yeah,

1307
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:08.119
thank you for your call, Adam. We really really do appreciate it and

1308
01:46:08.640 --> 01:46:13.720
me to call back, and we
we are coming towards sorry, Phoebe,

1309
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we are coming towards the end of
the show. We have run very very

1310
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over and had some very very interesting
calls. You see. It's me.

1311
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I'm just I'm just I'm just wonderful, you see, Phoebe. I'm going

1312
01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:32.319
to let people into a little bit
of a background thing here, the viewers

1313
01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:38.359
into a little bit of a background
thing here. When Phoebe was asked onto

1314
01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:42.640
the show, I asked her as
is my want as producer of the show,

1315
01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:46.640
which of the hosts she wanted to
work with? And she said you

1316
01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:57.800
And that was both a blessing and
a curse. Let me tell mind.

1317
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.439
We go, but we go back
along way and we're we're really good friends

1318
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:08.520
and have some great, great fun
together. Please show Phoebe all the love

1319
01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:13.159
in the chat and in the comments
section. Don't forget that the prompt for

1320
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:18.560
this week is complete the sentence.
It was funked up when God blank show

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01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:29.840
those comments. Give it up on
the laugh now, so it was funked

1322
01:47:29.880 --> 01:47:32.279
up. God must have on the
US, put me on secular sexuality,

1323
01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:39.600
truth quanted, the nonprofits, the
Akish Experience, and finally talk Ethan finally

1324
01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:44.520
Talky. Then and tune in at
the beginning of next week's episode to hear

1325
01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.680
the top three answers. Female,
would you like to do with some loverings?

1326
01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:59.640
Let's send some lovering, get those
magical wings going the no crew if

1327
01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.600
we don't. The origins of the
lover Rings are from the days of public

1328
01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:08.960
access television, when the show was
running out of time on public access television

1329
01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:14.640
when it was previously broadcast as the
Eighties Experience on local Austin Public Access Television,

1330
01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:16.199
and they used to play the lover
rings to show that the show was

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01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:20.600
coming towards to name. We are
going myself and FEMA are going to be

1332
01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:27.640
in the discord with the wonderful Kelly
Laughlin. If you want to ask us

1333
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:30.479
more questions, if you want to
talk to us a little bit more,

1334
01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:35.840
please do jump into the discord and
have a conversation with us. For all

1335
01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:41.520
the gob Shites who've been in the
chat telling us that God exists and not

1336
01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:47.239
having the balls to phone in,
all the god Shites call in next week

1337
01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:54.640
because preaching in the chat doesn't convince
anybody, It really really doesn't. Then

1338
01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:58.840
I've seen you there and you have
not called in. Please call in,

1339
01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:05.000
uh we if you don't believe this
is your community and we do really appreciate

1340
01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:08.800
you being here. Thank you all
of you for joining us. If you

1341
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:13.960
don't believe, we don't hate you, We're just not convinced. We'll see

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