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what's up? Welcome everybody. If you're

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wondering why do I have a Weezer
shirt on? Is it because I'm some

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massive nineties gen X man? No? Is it because I'm a super dipper

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Weezer fan. Weezer was my first
concert I ever attended, and so found

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this T shirt and I thought it
would be funny to wear for the theme

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of our coming gen X stream.
Jamie and I are going to be doing

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our next stream together. It's been
a little bit, it's been a minute,

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but our next dream is gen X
altcom films. And you can guess

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what I mean by altcom films.
That's before sun rise, sunset, Richard

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Link later reality bites. Uh,
there's a mad love. There's a whole

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spate of these, and they excellently
capture. You could say the gen X

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mindset. Why does that matter?
While we're gonna be ruled by our new

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overlords, the boomer overlord, dumb
is It's time is ticking. We will

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only be ruled by the boomer overlords. And I don't mean to be Macabaret,

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I don't mean to be dark.
I'm being real factual. If we're

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not going to be ruled over by
the boomer is much longer, we'll be

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ruled by the gen xers. Thus
we must know the mindset of our future

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overlords. How do they think?
What are their cultural symbols, what are

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their archetypes, what's their language?
What's the spirit of gen X. We're

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going to get to that now.
We did a couple streams leading up to

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this. We did Boomer to gen
X Behold our MTV Generational Overlords. That

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was a fun stream, a lot
of nineties culture going on there. And

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then I did another strand that didn't
give very many views oddly enough, which

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I thought was fun and should have
got more views, where I took many

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of you to them all. We
went to Blockbuster together. We discussed events

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in the nineties, top ten nineties
movies that I thought were fun. That

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was all anticipation, in anticipation for
our upcoming stream of the gen X altcoms.

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And I'm not even remembering all the
movies at this moment, Mad Love

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Reality by Ites before Sunrise, but
you're gonna notice when Oh, Empire Records,

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there's another one with Uma Thurman and
Beautiful Girls. That's another relevant one

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which had some odd themes in it. All of that will be discussed in

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our coming stream. It's gonna be
fun. So I'm wearing a nineties ish

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shirt. Now that's pretty much.
I mean, Weezer was popular into the

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two thousands, but anyway, so
that's why I'm wearing a Weezer shirt.

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So we're gonna be talking about some
fascinating stuff that I haven't talked about in

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many years tonight because I was looking
forward to getting back into this book because,

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as you guys know, in twenty
when did we do this old video?

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Almost five years ago? June second, twenty nineteen, which is almost

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six years a right, so or
five years excuse me. So we're gonna

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be playing a little bit of that
to brush up on Alice in Wonderland,

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and then we're gonna go deeper into
Part two Through the Looking Glass and what

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Alice saw there, the occult even
perhaps geopolitical, societal, social revolution,

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all of that tonight in this deep
dive that I think will surprise many of

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you. I think many of you
probably don't know what all crazy stuff is

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going on in this novel. It's
pretty fascinating book. I have to admit

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I'm pretty interested in it. Yes, I'm aware of all of the scandalous

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things surrounding the figure of Lewis Carroll. We'll mention that here in the second

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Probably you've all heard of this,
but it was believed that he might have

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been a creeper. I don't know
that it was ever definitively established, but

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he did seem to prefer taking a
lot of photos of kids, which is

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odd to say the least, so
that definitely puts him in a suspect camp.

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And beyond that, it turns out
there actually were some esoteric interests that

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he had that few people have discussed. Few have actually gone into this,

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and those of us in the conspiracy
world actually did talk about it many years

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ago. And it turns out a
guy wrote a book. Where's this guy's

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book? Where is this guy's book? Jake Fiore? When did he write

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this. Let's see when this was
So this was only a couple of years

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ago. So a couple of years
ago, guy writes a book delving into

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what many of us in the conspiracy
world already knew about and had discussed.

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I don't have this guy's book,
but we're going to look at what the

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article says about his book, exploring
Lewis Carroll's interest in the occult. We're

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also going to look at Isaac's overview. Our buddy Ozzie Bishop wrote an article

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many years ago as well. I
think in twenty sixteen, so already eight

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years ago. For Isaac's article.
Even the Guardian discussed this. What a

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couple of years ago, Let's see
when Yeah, three years ago the Guardian

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discussed it as well, So this
is becoming a little more well known.

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But Scooter, our buddy, Scooter
had a genius idea which was to take

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the matt a Monkey Song and run
it through an a I got a bot

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guy and the AI got bought guy
collaborator who collaborated with us. He spit

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out this new masterpiece. You gotta
hear this, This is this made me

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laugh until I cried. You bud
off in that tree what you doing up

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there? Why you scared? Why
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You ran? Mom? Then true
and from me man till the poky

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like Bamail wons with doubleanatas between the
trees hanging down upside down. That's fine.

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A tell a monkey what you doing
to me? Till a dell a

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monkey till a macky m then till
the monkey, what's your dude to me?

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Sorry? I was feeling it,
ya, I was moved. I

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was moved by the spirit of my
evolutionary impulses. Bro. I was just

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sitting there evolving. I'm listening to
that song and I'm evolving, and I'm

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like, damn, up in that
tree, what you doing up there?

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Why are you scared? Why you
running? Anyway, you get the idea

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of everybody in the chest, like, damn, bro, maybe a I

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is all right exactly. Yeah,
that was too funny not to share.

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Nothing to do with today's discussion,
but man, that made me laugh so

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hard when he sent me that.
By the way, you can follow me

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over here on X. My ex
is growing well. Happy to say we're

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almost up there, getting up into
close to We're ten thousand away from seventy

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five. If you don't follow me
on X there's the link. You can

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follow me there as well. All
right, let's get into this a little

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bit about Lewis. As we said, Lewis Carroll, author of both of

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the books that we're discussing tonight,
and this is just a little bit of

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an overview which will help us to
understand the themes present in his text,

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which is a very it's a very
complex text, I have to say.

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And you don't think of it as
that because it's a children's book, right,

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So we're like, oh, it's
a children's book. You know,

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it's just a bunch of nonsense.
It's a bunch of nonsensical nonsense in Wonderland

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hahaha, nursery rhymes, it's goofy, animals are talking. No, I

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don't know. It's a lot more
going on, to the extent that we're

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gonna have to like get into the
occult stuff. It's crazy. Charles Litwood

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Dutch Dodgson Lutwidge Dodgson born in eighteen
thirty two to eighteen ninety eight, known

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as Lewis Carroll, English author,
poet, mathematician. Keep that in mind.

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Mathematics will play an interesting key role
in these texts. He's most known

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for Alice in Wonderland and Through the
Looking Glass, as well as his facility

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with wordplay. Wordplay's gonna be an
important element as well as we get into

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the madness. As you know,
I titled this the metaphysics madness, and

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what was the other end I've already
forgotten my ms. I don't even know

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what I titled this. Alice's magic, madness and metaphysics. There are logic

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puzzles, so he's gonna deal with
logic fantasy and it doesn't say this but

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metaphysics. He also wrote the poem
Jabberwakie and The Hunting of the Snark.

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They are classics in the genre what
are called what's called nonsense genre nonsense literature.

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Carol came from a high Church Anglican
family and developed a long standing relationship

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with Christ Church, Oxford, where
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a scholar. Alice Liddell, the
daughter of Henry Liddell, was the Dean

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of Christ Church, and many identify
her as the original inspiration for Alice in

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Alis in Winterland. Now here's the
first fascinating element that apparently has recently come

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forward that many did not know,
and that is that the Alice Liddell here.

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If you know your esoteric history,
you might be thinking, hey,

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wait a minute, Liddell Samuel Liddell
Mathers of Golden Dawn Fame. Yes.

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Turns out, according to Jake Fuor, the author of the recent book about

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Carol, Fiora, who wrote on
his take on Carol's work, runs a

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shop called Alice the looking Glass in
Lenda's West End, suggests that Carroll's fantastical

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stories come from a darker place.
Fiora explained to the Observer that Carol had

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a definite interest in the esoteric,
elaborating that he has a catalog of his

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possessions, including the books of his
library, and in it he has a

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lot of books on the supernatural.
Exploring Carol's involvement with the occult, Fiora

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found a host of interesting connections to
the supernatural in Carol's social circles as well.

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Many believe Carol drew inspiration from Alice
from a member of the Liddell family.

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Yet another member of the Liddell family, Samuel Liddell Mathers, a relative

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of the young girl who inspired Alice, was one of the creators of the

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secret society known as the Hermetic Order
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of course, produced figures such as
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and Alistair Crowley. The Try the
twentieth century Golden don was known for

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practicing metaphysics, ritual magic, pernelal
activity, and so forth, and the

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authors that we mentioned. Beyond digging
into the Golden Dawn, Fere also found

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famous use of the wordplay in a
new light. Fuor points out that Carol

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utilizes acroustics, which come from Hebrew
mysticism in the Biblical like how the Biblical

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writers in the Old Testament sometimes utilize
acrostics. While Carroll himself did not practice

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magic, his interests and interactions veered
towards these puzzling, unexplainable things. Carol

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was known to be fascinated in telepathy
and even joined the Society for Psychical Research,

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the SPR which was which included people
like Carl Agad Junger, call Young

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and Freud. So you're gonna start
noticing, Hey, wait a minute,

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there might be some overlaps between Jungi
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young and what we see today in
Alice. Yeah, the golding on is

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a little weird. What do people
what to do with Saint Jay? Oh,

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you're talking about because of my hello
Hello, Hey? Is that a

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Rihanna song? Yo? That's my
nod to Rihanna. Rihanna. That's my

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little nod to Rihanna. Hell Ala
ella ella on the Miama. That's my

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word play, Yo. That's the
word play for the day. Al Ala.

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By the way, we will we
will be going into interesting elements of

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wordplay. Idiocy. Oh, Beyonce, Now hold up my Ownbrella Beyonce.

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Halo' is Beyonce. That's right,
Umbrella, I know that's Rihanna. Don't

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try to check me on, umbrella. I happen to know my Rihanna songs.

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Excuse me, excuse me. Talk
to the lesbian glasses. Talk to

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the lesbian glasses because I ain't hearing
y'all right now, I ain't even hearing

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y'all right now. Jay could kill
it at karaoke, bro, I have

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killed it at karaoke. You can
ask the people who invited me to their

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karaoke parties, like my buddy Mark, he said, quote and I quote

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Jay killed it at karaoke at our
party under my anyway, I forgot to

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list down these examples that we Jamie
and I were talking about these in the

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car, and I meant to write
them down. I forgot, and now

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I got to think of and what
were the Okay, so we got a

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couple examples of stupid schizo word concept
fallacies that you're all gonna find very practical.

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You said, wait a minute,
how could a schizo word concept fallacy

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be practical? Because you will notice
patterns When I was in the bathtub last

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night before our legendary laughable livestream last
night. Now I'm now I'm using alliteration

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legend legendary laughable livestream. As I
was lollygagg in the bathtub, our legendary

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laughable livestream led to me thinking of
interesting patterns pattern recognition, which by the

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way, plays a key role in
this novel. But what kind of recognition

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I'm talking about? I noticed a
pattern that the move that people make when

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they make word concept fallacies is the
same move that people make in dialectical mistakes

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in philosophy, and it's the same
move that schizophrenics make. Yes, you

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heard me, right, And it's
the same move that will be explored in

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this novel. And it's the same
move that's made by idiot conspiracy theorists who

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are not total skitzos, but have
the reasoning skills and levels of total skitzos.

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Jamie, come over, say,
when we were talking in the car,

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we gave the Jordan Maxwell example of
birth son and son. What was

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another one? I can't even remember
them now, Oh, Solomon is the

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classic, Lion is a classic,
all right, I got that down.

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When they're one more good example anyway, I guess it was. Oh,

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well, that's in the novel.
I got that right now. Okay,

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thank you your excuse. So now
we're not just talking about noticing bad patterns.

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I'm talking about noticing a pattern of
the same move that's made in Schizo,

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stream of consciousness, heretics and word
concept fallacies, conspiracy theorist idiots and

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the word play in this novel,
and dialectical philosophy. And I was thinking

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about the example that Lenin trying to
remember Lenin's example Lennon the Flow, the

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Revolutionary Lennon has this example of like
either oars. I can't remember that one.

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Anyway, You'll see the point when
we get to it in a minute.

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So right now we're talking about the
OCULTSAF so keep that in mind.

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Maybe I'll even break out the whiteboard
if you're good. Anyway, So this

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book is called through a looking Glass
Darkly, and that's of course a reference

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to Saint Paul in the Corinthians,
where he says we see through a glass

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darkly in this world we see John, not John Lennon. Bro Well,

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John Lennon, although John Lennon does
play into this today, mate, we

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will see. Actually John Lennon does
play into today's discussion because as I was

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reading through this, Alice has exchanged
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a minute, that sounds like the
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that song on Sergeant Pepper's from that
chapter. I'm like, oh, he's

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talking about Alice in one moment.
I never do that until now anyway.

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But through a Glass Darkly in the
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life we don't really see everything clearly, whether the spiritual reality is going on

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around us, what the ultimate purpose
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don't see fully what heaven will be
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a glass darkly, and thus the
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the looking Glass. And I think
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Alice looks through a looking glass two. But anyway, it's been five years

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since I read the other one.
Umo Google Choo, Mate, Umulus living

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to the populatis, going to kill
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so we can establish then there is
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into this it's unclear. We don't
know exactly how far Carol had studied this

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stuff. We don't know that he
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he's definitely hanging out with him talking
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way, as you guys know,
also what Charles Williams of the Inklings was

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also in the Golden Dawn. So
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we talk about the neoplatonic elements,
which apparently Lewis Carroll did have a fascination

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with neoplatonism, which makes sense because
of his mathematical interests. So people that

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have this bent towards mathematics often find
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regard to mathematics, reality being in
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the Pythagorean of mystical numbers. Mystical
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so this is over the Guardian.
There's another treatment, and let's see what

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the Guardian says about this Jake Fewer
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esoteric stuff. I just want to
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that weren't in the other article.
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Tanil. I do like the artwork, by the way, it's pretty awesome.

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This is talking about it's all the
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first article was some kind of sus
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the Guardian article. So if you
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that the Guardian is like more trustworthy
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So let's go back to his biography
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to the Isaac's article and then we'll
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I will give my analysis of the
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half by the way, if you
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of this this is, I mean
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like it's not long, but it's
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it's enough for a part one and
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we said, is interested in Anglican
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the predetermination stuff. So there's a
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and most people don't know that either. And in the world of Anglicanism,

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there's always been a kind of an
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but many of them have been so. And that doesn't really apply to either

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Low Church or High Church. You
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Anglicans and Calvinist Augustinian minded Low Church
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Church Anglican, he apparently was influenced
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the mathematics. So the mathematical depth
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I think, to believe in a
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book we have the idea that Alice's
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so to speak of the checkerboard or
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all of Wonderland is laid out like
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Wonderland are squares on a giant chessboard. And so game theory plays into this

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because part of the point of the
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actually refers to her as a pawn, or is she in some way self

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actualized with free will? And this
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because he's in the circles with Carl
Young. I don't know if he had

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interaction with Carl Young, but he's
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like kral Young, and I think
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hermetic elements in this. Apparently he
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but rosa Crucian thought in neo Platonism. Now that's also not surprising because

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many of the Anglican so called ministers
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the seventeen hundreds. Shocker, many
many many of them were interested in alchemy,

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her meticism, and the occult.
Many of them were also freemasons.

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Many of them were also British intelligence. Shocker. Right, but yes,

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At any point and periodically through discussion, I'll answer the questions. Now it

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says, so he was ordained,
We're going to skip the in the some

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of this was ski past some of
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he becomes a deacon. He's never
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John Henry Newman, as you know, who would become Cardinal Newman. The

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tractarian movement of High Churching Anglicans move
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eventually Newman converts and he writes his
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people to also convert. Still,
it's even still cited amongst the trad cats

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and the Novasorio. People that want
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often, you know, give out
Cardinal Newman's book. I remember reading Newman's

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books back in the day when I
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he also was influenced by this,
So he had read allegorical treatments when he

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was younger, like Pilgrim's Progress,
and that's going to influence his production.

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I would assume of Alice right went
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or theology? I'm not sure.
See he was his friend was father's or

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his father was friends with the famous
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a high Church, famous high high
Church Anglican. Now this is the reason

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we're going into this is that,
and I don't know if this is going

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to talk about it. But he
had a couple of health issues and developed

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a stammer and a bad cough at
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first part is a caricature of himself, it says, but this doesn't mention

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and this is going to be interesting
for his social connection to for the geopolitical

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stuff. But by the way,
it wasn't George McDonald. Also, I

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think in The Golden Dawn we'll see
here in a second, but my book

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that I have has a scholarly introduction. Of course, it's always good,

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I think, to get some of
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text, but kind of the scholarly
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and introduction that talks about him having
multiple personality disorder. And I had not

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encountered that before. However, this
does make sense though, when we remember

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that Alice has multiple personalities. If
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there's a series, there's a point
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starts interacting with herself and she has
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what is it to be a self? By the way, I forgot

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to mention, they might be Giants
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Both of these because they might be
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Pretty Sure that is a reference to
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something else came up in Through the
Looking Glass that was a they might be

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Giants reference, but I forgot what
it was. Anyway, The Matrix as

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well. Obviously, probably the Matrix
is the most famous play on Alice in

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Winnerlane with the White Rabbit and old
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Whoa? Dude? Whoa? So
we'll look at that here in a

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second. But this does not,
as as far as I can tell,

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mentioned that he apparently had split personality. Now, it wasn't diagnosed yet,

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but presumably if he's in the circles
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this. I'm not sure, but
that might be why Alice has alters and

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multiple personalities in the first novel.
Let's see if there's anything on this otherwise.

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I forgot the look otherwise because it
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couldn't. I was surprised. Many
people thought, oh, he was on

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drugs when he did this. Here's
an article on it. I don't know

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what's website. This is somebody's paper. Lewis Carroll's dual personality shown in looking

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Glass. Yeah, but it's not
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in the first one where she's debating
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Y'all know that they might be Giants'
song Self called nowhere. Mm hmm.

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Interesting, So now it may not
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Let me see if I can find
where the introductory Yes, they was

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saying that. H m hm hm
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where it's. I know I read
it. It's in here, Maybe it's

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Maybe it's in the introduction to the
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a long essay here at the beginning. Anyway, I read it somewhere,

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I promise you. So let's see. Uh, if George McDonald also was

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a Golden Dawn person, I'm pretty
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skip past this. Maybe not Golden
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Charles Williams is Golden Dawn. McDonald
wrote the Golden Key. Okay, maybe

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George McDonald wasn't Inkling, is that
right? But not Golden Dawn is that

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right? Scottish Minister father of the
Inklings dedicated the legacy of bull thing and

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in Christianity to George McDonald Because so, maybe George McDonald wasn't a Golden don

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guy, but he was friends with
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to this part of his connections was
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Dodgson began to move in the pre
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Ruskin. Interesting, now, if
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Roth circles, you know that John
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one of the early formulators of the
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used by the Milner circles. So
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this out of nowhere. They were
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was kind of one of their brains. Philosopher, art historian, art critic,

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polymath. He wrote on geology,
architecture, myth ornithology, literature,

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education, botany, So a sort
of a Renaissance type of guy. He

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also was a seemed to have a
problem with spanking his monkey. Literally he

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had some sort of weird compulsive problem
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this isn't even talking about the fact
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And so he influenced the Fabians to
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where is it? This is taken
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show you the book I'm talking about. John Ruskin world government or world federation,

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profit of the human built world exactly, Roads and Ruskin. Yeah,

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here you go, Cecil Rose,
John Ruskin and the worldview goal of a

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Eurocentric world government twenty fifteen, Brandon
Howse. So yeah, there you go.

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The British Empire would be this seed
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and then a World Union. And
that's of course what happened. So if

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you go deep into the quickly raw
Child Roads stuff, you'll come across John

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Ruskin. So back to so we
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So he's hanging out with these pretty
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a lot of high level elites.
He has these health problems he appears to

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have, although it wasn't really diagnosed
at the time, it appears to be

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MPD D I D. His literature
has often been given a Freudian interpretation,

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and then Alice's descent is a descent
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That's corrected as partly that the overwhelming
commercial success of the books spread around the

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world, he was inundated with fan
mail, sometimes unwanted attention. Supposedly Queen

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Victoria herself enjoyed the books that she
commanded that he dedicated his next book to

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her. He denied this story and
commented that it's false. Now I think

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that's relevant though, because not that
the story is true, but I actually

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think he is criticizing the nobility system
to a degree. I think that's what

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Humpty Dumpty represents. So and we'll
see that here in a minute where I

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come up with that. But let's
go over to Isaac's text now that we've

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gotten the basics of his background.
And by the way, I forgot to

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mention that so here this is well
known, right, This is just mainline

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Israeli news gamatria of the alphabet acrosstic
of proverbs. Now, before people lose

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their mind and spur out, okay, there is an element of biblical gematria.

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It's not what these idiots on the
internet do where they go schizo and

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think that everything is not numbers and
you can cross reference everything into these random

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gamatria. How you're going to win
on a betting on the Cubs game and

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when the Illuminati is going to blow
up the planet. Okay, that's all

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stupid shit, right, that's that's
dumb. But both Hebrew and Greek in

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the ancient world because they didn't have
the separate Arabic numeral system like we do

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of the Arabic number one, two, three, right, they utilize their

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letters as also numbers. Okay,
So Gamatria is not some massive mysterious thing.

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If you look at when John is
writing in the Apocalypse and he writes

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sixty sixty six, if you read
Ken Gentry's book Before Jerusalem Fell, or

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if you read Days of Vengeance by
David Chilton, it's very obvious that John

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is also writing in a code that
other readers would be able to recognize that

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the Roman Pagans who would see his
letter from pat most wouldn't understand. So

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if John wanted to say that Nero
is a beast, is an Antichrist,

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and I think that sixty sixty six
is talking about Nero, He's going to

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write it in a code. And
one way that we know that that is

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true is that in the Book of
Revelation there are actual textual variants. One

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of the textual variant has six one
six, and the other textual variants says

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sixty sixty six. And the interesting
thing is that when you put Nero's name

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into gematria. This is a legitimate
loot use of gamatra. It still whether

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it's sixty one six or whether it's
six sixty six, it still comes out

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to neuron kusar in r n QSR
neuro Caesar. Okay, so that's legit

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gamatria. But also the Hebrew versions
of some of the Psalms and proverbs,

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and I think, naeum, let
me say, I listed some of these

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are our acroustic poems. So let
me see it. Where did I write

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this down? I don't know wherever
I go, I don't see, no

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one knows, but I can remember
they were Psalm one nineteen, Psalm twenty

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three or twenty four is an acroustic. Sections of proverbs nahum lamentations is an

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acrostic, and nahem one in one
or two is an acrostic. So what

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is this? Well, the Proverbs
thirty one example is in the Hebrews seven

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hundred and seventy seven words, and
it says that Proverbs thirty one, ten

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or thirteen is one of the thirteen
alphabetical across poems in the Bible. So

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in the Hebrew Bible there's thirteen of
these. Each line begins with a successive

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letter in the Hebrew alphabet. This
is called the Eshet Hayl or the woman

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of Valor. So in other words, the famous proverbs thirty one woman that

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everybody's heard of, right, this
is actually a Hebrew acrostic poem and it

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utilizes the alphabet. Now this woman
in her article, she says, if

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you calculate this, every first word
of each verse, as well as the

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name of God is thirty. In
verse thirty, the calculation of eighty six

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characters corresponds with eighty six in the
value of the name of el Cheim.

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And again this is not like outlandish
crazy stuff. Okay, absolutely makes perfect

419
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sense that when the Hebrew texts were
being written and compiled, they would be

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putting these kinds of symbols into it. So, and this doesn't mean that

421
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Kabbalism is true. It doesn't mean
it just means that the Hebrew text is

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inspired, the Bible's inspired. Okay. And yes, I mean, ultimately

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we would say the septuagent. But
before there was a Septuo agent, there

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was some proto Hebrew text. And
not every Hebrew text is necessarily bad.

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We don't necessarily hate the masoretic text. Matthew's Gospel cites what would become the

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or what was the proto masoretic text. So it's not that big of a

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deal, and it's not even a
big deal that there are elements of these

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interesting symbolic things. Now, this
is not Bible code crap. You can't

429
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put codes into a program that tells
you Bible code. That's a bunch of

430
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scam nonsense. It's not a magical
device to predict the future, is what

431
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I'm saying. But there are these
fascinating symbolisms or symbolic correspondences, poems,

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numbers that does exist in the text. So hopefully this we can be level

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headed about this, because as soon
as people hear this, they go nuts

434
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with it, and you've got these
idiots that Jim Bob's always debating with.

435
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Okay, So Kabbalism is not identical
to this. You understand Cobbalists do this

436
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.199
stuff, but this is not the
same thing as Cabbalism. Okay. So

437
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if you're an Orthodox Christian, you've
inherited these texts, and whether they're in

438
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the Hebrew or the Greek, both
utilize the principle of gamatri. The Greece

439
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did this too, because the Greece
didn't have Arabic numberles alpha beta, gamma

440
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one two three delta. For that's
how they did their numery. That's all

441
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it is. It's not a superstitious
device for predicting the future or getting magical

442
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:50.679
knowledge, even though some people use
it for that anyway. So she's talking

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about some other of these examples.
She says, Proverbs thirty one declares itself

444
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to be the Proverbs of kingdom Yule, who says that it was an oracle

445
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that was taught to him by his
mother. Right, so it's the Proverbs

446
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thirty one woman. No other mention
is made of him, however in the

447
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Tanakh, but Jewish legend identifies him
as another name for Solomon. And so

448
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he was getting this advice from Batshiva. What is the genesis order? It

449
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is the letter ordering of Genesis one
and two. So bet is one,

450
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I let bet gimmel shin dallet right, this is one, two, three,

451
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four, five, six and until
rash, which is twenty numbered.

452
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This way, the alphabet has a
sum total two hundred and seventeen. That's

453
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seven times thirty one, which is
a key number to the seven Palaces.

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I'm assuming that's talking about the seven
the sections of Proverbs where he's talking about

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wisdom and her pillars, the pillars
of Wisdom one up. Chimatria is mainly

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used for biblical gamatria, and it's
a reverse version of biblical gamatria. And

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so anyway, she talks about how
there's a parallel between the ordering of Genesis

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one and two and what is in
Proverbs. So now the woman of Proverbs

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thirty one in the literal sense is
a literal smart woman, and our review

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we would also be the Church,
right, the Church, allegorically speaking,

461
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is the true Proverbs thirty one woman. And so she would be an image

462
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of course of both the the Tokos
and the Church. So it's not surprising

463
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that if this parallel, that this
woman is theorizing, it's not surprising that

464
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it would be. There would be
a parallel between the creation order in Genesis

465
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one, which is where Eve comes
from, and the new creation of the

466
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new Eve Mary, who would be
the ultimate Proverbs thirty one woman. Anyway,

467
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So I know we're not here to
talk about all that stuff, but

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I'm just pointing out that this is
not that far fetched. This is one

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example of symbolic correspondences in the Hebrew
Bible that would have influenced and did influence

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a bunch of the literary circles that
he's in. And I can again that's

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not even in question because if you
remember, we covered this in the the

472
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CS. Lewis Space Trilogy, we
did a whole deep dive into how J.

473
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.880
R. R. Tolkien is the
hero of the Space trilogy. So

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Professor Ransom, right, that's Tolkien
in code in Lewis's book, and in

475
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.639
the first Space Trilogy at the end
there's a letter from the professor who's Tolkien,

476
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.440
and he explains that he was reading
medieval texts and he came across this

477
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:58.000
principle of neoplatonism that would undergird the
philosophere. So again, the Inklings were

478
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:07.000
influenced by neoplatonism. Lewis Carroll's influenced
by neoplatonism, and neoplatonism has a lot

479
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:15.519
of parallels with what we're talking about
here with Hebrew acrostic mysticism and what would

480
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later become quote Cobblism. Now,
let's talk about that Cabbalistic side of it,

481
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because the Hermatic Order of Golden Dawn
was influenced by Cabbalism, but what

482
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.280
they sought to do was to as
the Rosicrucians prior to them had saw it

483
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:36.239
to do, was to remove Cobbalism
from anything to do with Hebrew stuff.

484
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.199
Now, I'm not saying that Hebrew
Cobbolism is good or correct, or that

485
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.599
the Golden Dawn's Hebrew Cabalism is good
to correct. And I'm gonna surprise you

486
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.519
here, but guess what. Cobblism
is Ultimately just a form of gnosticism and

487
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:55.440
Neoplatonism. So a lot of people
are mysti film Ohism, WHOA right,

488
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:02.239
No, it's just gnosticism and neoplatonism. If you read the premier scholar of

489
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.559
this, Gersham Sholom, I've read
several of his books. He points out

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that they're just borrowing from ancient gnostic
systems and from Neoplatonism. And there's not

491
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one Kabbala, there's many of them. So between different rabbis, there's different

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00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:24.199
Kabbalistic systems. There's Nachmanides, there's
Isaac Luria, right, there's Cosaba on

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all these different characters, some of
these characters, like are fictional characters.

494
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Anyway, Each philosopher, mystic person
might even make up his own Kabbalistic system.

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And so for these people, and
particularly would say Croley, when they

496
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:51.000
borrowed from Kabbalism, what they wanted
to do was create their own pagan version

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of kabala. I think I think
Croley even says something like that somewhere.

498
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.960
If you read, for example,
Crole's in the Circles of the Golden Dog

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with I think Israel Regardie, Right, Regardi writes a whole book where he's

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like, I'm going to do the
true pure Cabbala, right, So basically

501
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they're all just trying to come up
with their own mystical magical systems. They're

502
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:20.880
all tweaking it, they're doing cafeteria
style stuff, but really it's borrowing from

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the structure of Neoplatonism. That's why
there's parallels, by the way, between

504
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:35.559
the Kabbalistic tree and the cepharrot and
the structure of Neoplatonism. And it's not

505
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one to one because none of this
stuff is like one to one. It's

506
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:43.760
all just kind of evolving systems.
But the underlying structure is stuff that we

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find in Pythagoras, the Orphic Mysteries, Plato, Neoplatonism, Plotinus, and

508
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.679
the Porphyrian Tree. So hopefully,
by the way, what I'm trying to

509
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.039
do in part of this part is
to demystify this stuff. People are mystical.

510
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.440
Well it's mystified. It's not even
that mystical. I'm sorry, hate

511
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:16.639
the brigand it's not that mystical.
Uh So let's look at one example.

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So just look at the Porphyrian tree. Whoa, the Porphyrian tree. It's

513
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:37.800
like the gob No and medieval Western
thinkers use the same types of structures Boetheism,

514
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:45.400
whoa beweit used Orthodox saint he's a
Gobbalist, who love? And then

515
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.000
you get Roman Catholic, Western minded
people like Raymond Lowll uses the same type

516
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of structure. Whoa, They're just
using pre existing structures, okay, and

517
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:07.159
the structure are borrowed also from Aristotle. It's the categories. So different philosophers

518
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are coming up with ways to try
to structure reality. So notice, as

519
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.599
we point out in the Porphyrian Tree, Porphyry suggests in his tree and his

520
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:27.320
introduction to isogogy that he's using Aristotles
categories. Ariostotle's categories of classification were later

521
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.960
adopted into tree like diagrams with two
way divisions which indicate genus and species or

522
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:39.599
genus in differentia. This was a
logical process that continues until you get down

523
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:44.840
to the low species. Okay.
So you can see that this structure is

524
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:51.400
utilized by all kinds of philosophers throughout
the ancient and medieval world. And there's

525
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:59.320
nothing necessarily inherently satanic about the structure. It's just aristotles categories, okay.

526
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And these continued to be taught and
used up into the Middle Ages in all

527
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:15.360
kinds of medieval metaphysics textbooks and logic
textbooks and even science textbooks, because look,

528
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:21.840
notice what is this. Oh well, the porfirent tree here just happens

529
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:30.199
to be Aristotle's genus right, substance
species all the way down. So it's

530
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.679
just these are okay, because they're
used throughout the ancient world. So if

531
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:37.719
a Satanist uses this, it doesn't
make it a Satanic structure. That's dumb.

532
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:52.480
So there you go, whoa de
mystified. Now. So the Harmatic

533
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.880
Order of Golden Dawn, as we
said, it was an occult order that

534
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.440
began in the late nineteenth and twentieth
century, is a magical order active in

535
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:07.440
Great Britain and focus it's practices on
theurgy and spiritual development. Hey, Jimmie,

536
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:21.400
Jamie, can you start with that
noise? Thanks The contemporary traditions such

537
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:27.199
as Wicca and Thalema are inspired by
Golden Dawn. Now fe limas where you'll

538
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:32.039
get this is more of a focused
Crowleian thing, right, and it springs

539
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:37.119
out of Golden Dawn. So Crowley's
in the Golandawn for a while, he

540
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.480
doesn't stay with the Golden Dawn.
Because one thing you'll notice is that a

541
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:45.239
lot of these people, the so
called magic people, what they do is

542
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.920
they learn the structures, the tricks, the grades, the levels, and

543
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.679
they go and create their own cult. And as we pointed out many times

544
00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:00.400
even to demystify Krollian stuff, the
people who leave Crollianism, it's just a

545
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.000
grad school for creating your own cult. Because what does Gerald Gardner do when

546
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:09.519
he goes through the ranks of Crowley's
Thing? Always starts Wickham. What does

547
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:14.199
l Ron Hubbard do when he goes
to the ranks of Crowley's Thing? Always

548
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:24.360
starts his cult dianetics and scientology.
So presumably the Golden Dawn was an earlier

549
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.360
version of this. Go through the
grades, learn to create your own cult.

550
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:34.159
And by the way, the high
refont of the cult might also want

551
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.079
access to your booty hole. That
also tends to be one of the key

552
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:46.880
elements of having a ritual magic cult
so commonly known as the Golden Dawn Secret

553
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.519
Society voted to the study of we
already talked about that Thelma is an offshoot

554
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:59.000
wick As an offshoot. The three
founders were William Robert Woodman, William Winn

555
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:05.280
Westcott In Samuel Liddell Mathers. Mathers
was a free They were all Freemasons and

556
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.840
Freemasons and in the Society of the
Rosicrucians. Now that's interesting because again remember

557
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:16.519
Liddell, Samuel Liddell Mathers is the
relative of Alice Liddell, who is the

558
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:21.599
basis for al and the Golden don
system is based on a hierarchy of initiation

559
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.559
borrowed from Masonic lodges. So you
noticed that, hey, wait a minute,

560
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.679
seems like the cults and the magical
or ooh, the Magical orders like

561
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.519
they seem to be just doing the
same thing as the group that they sprang

562
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:38.079
out of. Exactly, these are
copy paste scams. The Golden Dawn doesn't

563
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:47.480
have access to ancient, unknown mystical
powers. They're just borrowing from the previous

564
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:55.360
system of Rosicrucianism and Masonry. And
the Golden Dawn was the first of the

565
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.599
three orders, although they were often
collective referred to as Golden Dawn. The

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01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:06.760
first or taught esoteric philosophy based on
what Hermetic kabbala is that Jewish kabala.

567
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:15.800
Now this is a hermetic version of
Jewish kabbala. And what is that?

568
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.239
Well, it comes out of again
Rosicrucianism. And wherever we get Rosicrucianism.

569
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:27.760
Well, if you read Dame Francis
Yates book The Rosicrucian Enlightenment, which I

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01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.559
read fifteen years ago, it's a
great book covering this period. John d

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01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:40.079
figures like Christian rosen Krantz, some
of the second generation Lutherans, so not

572
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:45.679
necessarily Luther, although there is inference
there was there is evidence that Luther was

573
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:54.800
influenced by Rosicrucianism or the Theologia Germanica, which is a Neoplatonic text. It's

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01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:04.960
more definitive that the next generation of
Lutherans, Johann Andre and then presumably Andre

575
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:12.159
or somebody like him, wrote the
Rosicrucian manifesto of Christian Rosenkrantz. So it

576
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.760
was very popular at this time,
right to have these documents written by us

577
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:21.320
a made up figure, right,
Christian rosen Krantz. Okay, well,

578
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.679
nobody knows who that is. And
if I recall, it's been fifteen years

579
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:30.360
since I read it, but Yates
thinks it was maybe Johann Andrea. I

580
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:36.000
think something like that anyway. But
people say, well, why was the

581
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:45.519
Luther rose the Luther Rose? And
if you notice, actually it is a

582
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:52.840
Rosicrucian symbol, why is Martin Luther's
symbol a Rosicrucian symbol. Well, it

583
01:03:52.920 --> 01:04:02.639
became the seal due to John Frederick
of Saxony and some of these nobility and

584
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:11.320
these dukes and these people like this, these principiates. They're mentioned in Yates's

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01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:18.280
book as being into her Meticism.
So I don't think that Luther himself was

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01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.039
a rosicruci per se and that he
chose this symbol. I think it's the

587
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:28.199
other people that chose this who were
into Rosicrucianism. But the symbol is a

588
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:32.639
Rosicrucian symbol. If you didn't know
that, So that's my view of it.

589
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.920
And Dame Francis Yates's book is not
a conspiracy book for those that are

590
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:43.840
wondering, by the way, So
let's see. Let me show you the

591
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:57.079
rosicrusion Rose. So it's very similar
and there's variations on it. So in

592
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:02.920
the old Rose Cross texts looks like
this. I think this as a later

593
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:09.039
on kind of weird occult version of
it. But you get all these variations

594
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:13.000
and a lot of these older alchemical
texts. All right, you'll get these

595
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:19.239
crosses in these images like this here. So the Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross

596
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:28.679
they used this. Now, what
were the Roses decrusions? What was their

597
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:33.800
philosophy? Well, they were just
kind of the neoplatonic hermeticists of the fifteen

598
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:38.559
hundreds. Okay, so that's not
that much of a mystery. They're not.

599
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:47.599
They were into again neoplatonism, but
they were also seemingly into scientism.

600
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:53.679
And Dame Francis Yates's book also goes
into that because she theorizes that actually the

601
01:05:53.800 --> 01:06:00.880
Enlightenment, the philosophy of the Enlightenment, was itself in many ways a Rosicrucian

602
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:06.480
esoteric philosophy, the exoteric philosophy than
like the philosophs, all these people that

603
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:13.239
you think of as Enlightenment and post
Enlightenment thinkers, you know, the empiricist

604
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:18.480
Hume, Locke, Barkley, Kant, all these figures might have also had

605
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:27.920
her metic interest, and I think
that's confirmed with Descartes. I think it's

606
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.199
pretty clear that Descartes was involved in
perhaps some rosicrucion circles as well. If

607
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.920
I remember, I haven't read on
this in like again fifteen years, but

608
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:40.440
look, if you want to go
deep into this, I highly recommend the

609
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.800
Dame Francis Yates book, which again
is not a conspiracy. That she was

610
01:06:45.800 --> 01:07:00.400
a British scholar and hence the term
dame, and she pausits this theory.

611
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:05.880
So this is her and it's a
well known scholarly text. It's I think

612
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:10.920
it's a Rutledge classic here if you
get this book, so understand, this

613
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.400
is not a conspiracy book. This
is an academic text. It's published by

614
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:20.159
academic publishers. So there was another
book that came out, you know,

615
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:30.159
some years back, called by Peter
Gay about the Pagan Enlightenment, and this

616
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:33.400
goes into more detail of like,
in what sense, what do you mean

617
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:42.239
by pagan Right. So Peter Gay's
book, which is pretty good, is

618
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.440
the Enlightenment Rise of Modern Paganism.
These are academic texts. Again, they're

619
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:51.719
not conspiracy books. So he does
the overview of this, and then Dame

620
01:07:51.760 --> 01:08:00.159
Francis Yates's book is a much more
scholarly deep dive into Rosicrucianism as the specific

621
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:09.960
philosophy of that time period. So
the exoteric is atheism, the excuse me,

622
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:14.519
the exoteric is atheism. The esoteric
is the Dame Francis Yates stuff,

623
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.800
the Rosicrucian Enlightenment. All right,
so we're way off try but now you

624
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.479
see where we're you see, you
see the connections here, right, So

625
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:30.079
the Hermetic Kabbala is this Rosicrucion not
not interested in Hebrew stuff, per se

626
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:35.159
Kabbala, which again is more like
you know, Platonism. So you see

627
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:42.920
that really this stuff is not that
mystical. I mean, there's a there's

628
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.640
a philosophical element to it, but
a lot of it's a bunch of gibberish.

629
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.039
All right. So now we have
all that in mind as the background

630
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:55.840
to what we're talking about. Let's
look at Isaac's article and Isaac's gonna have

631
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.720
some interesting insights. I don't agree
with everything that Isaac talks about in this

632
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.399
article, but I did think he
did a decent job of kind of summing

633
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:10.520
up a lot of what we find
in the books. So Isaac argues that

634
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:16.279
there might be an impulture theme.
It's possible, but we don't have evidence

635
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:24.680
necessarily of Lewis Carroll himself doing this, so we don't know about that.

636
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:30.640
But if he's in the circles of
the Society for Psychical Research with Carl Young,

637
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:36.279
and if his books became super popular, it's very possible that Carl Young

638
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:45.479
read this. And remember Carl Young
was at when we did our Cure for

639
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:55.119
Wellness breakdown. Remember we came across
that Burgholtz. Burgholtz was a giant what

640
01:09:55.359 --> 01:10:09.319
Swedish mental institute out of like a
nightmare horror movie. Brigoldsy. It's like

641
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:16.800
the archetype of a of a mk
Ultra psychiatric Award. Remember that it's Yeahgoldsy,

642
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.159
I mean, it's it's it.
It plays the part dude, just

643
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.880
the cutout. Now, we got
to have the picture of this place.

644
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.199
So if you haven't seen Cure for
Wellness, I recommend it. We covered

645
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:34.119
this with a doughnut the other day
on his channel. So let's look at

646
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:42.079
this real quick and then we'll go
back to the book. Brigoldsy was a

647
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:48.720
giant Switzerland. This is why Carl
Jung was there, giant Switzerland psychiatric mental

648
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:54.760
institute in cultural place. And if
you think I'm making that up, oh

649
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:00.199
no, I'm not. In eighteen
ninety eight, Eugene Blueler became the direct

650
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.600
Bergolzi, where he would remain until
nineteen twenty seven. This is the Bleuler

651
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:09.199
era. It is considered the most
illustrious period at the hospital, largely due

652
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:15.800
to the advent of psychoanalysis, Freudian
techniques and the creative work of his assistant

653
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:27.359
who Karl Gajunga Carl Young Bleueler.
Bleueler Bleolert had to do a Benstein joke,

654
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:33.600
followed by hal Hans Vufking Mile and
Manzrebula. In addition to Carl Jung,

655
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:40.399
renowned psychiatrists spent much of their career
there, including Carl Abraham Interesting.

656
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.079
I'm pretty sure he comes up in
a lot of the m Kiltra stuff,

657
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.680
Ludwig Binswanger, A lot of these
people I've never heard of. Eugene Minkowski,

658
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:55.800
Hermann Rorschak Rorschak tests. We've heard
of that, Franz Ricklin, Constantine

659
01:11:55.880 --> 01:12:02.279
von Monokowel, Eugene Bleueler, Ernst
Ruden, Adolph Abraham Brill, and Emil

660
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:13.840
Oberholtzer. Einstein's son Edward Einstein was
a patient at bergoldzy whoa today Bergoldsey is

661
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.800
an important center for psychiatric research and
mental illness. So they're basically do the

662
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:25.680
same stuff. The controversial who You
and Cameron studied at bergoldsy Win in the

663
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.800
late twenties, and that's the what
the Eugene Bleueler period with Karl Gajong,

664
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:39.359
Now what were they doing there?
Oh, they were studying eugenics, hypnosis,

665
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:56.359
sterilization. So it is very plausible
that Karl Young read this and perhaps

666
01:12:56.399 --> 01:13:02.239
applied it to his archetypal integration.
You know, we all know what Carl

667
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:08.399
Young's all about. But if he's
working with doctor Ewan Cameron of mk Ultra

668
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:15.119
fame, perhaps also you and Cameron's
familiar with this text. And if I

669
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:20.159
recall the only place I've ever been
able to find a reference to Alice in

670
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:26.239
Wonderland, specifically in Mkultra, I
think it's in the John Marks book where

671
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:33.680
he says there's a chapter on reimprinting, which is the idea that apparently doctor

672
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:40.439
Cameron thought when he was working at
mont Royale in Canada. He thought you

673
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:46.239
could depattern and repattern or reimprint a
person to be a new person. So

674
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:54.159
I'm assuming this is some kind of
like a behaviorist kind of idea that we're

675
01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:58.760
a blank slate, you know,
Tabila rossa, and that our whole personality

676
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:04.920
is all determined by external stimuli.
So if you reboot the person's mind basically

677
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:11.079
electro shocked them and LSD dosed them
to like a reboot, then you give

678
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:15.479
them new external stimuli. Supposedly,
maybe the thought was, oh, we

679
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.399
can heal people and just make them
into a new being. That was what

680
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:26.279
you and Cameron's re imprinting stuff was. Anyway, one of the claims by

681
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.560
one of the people under Cameron at
I believe mont Royale, of which was

682
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:39.520
basically the Canada version of Bergoldsey.
So this place right here, by the

683
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:41.800
way, m Keultra is all over
the world. Okay, people don't know

684
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.840
this, But the more that we
dig into mk ultra, and I've dug

685
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.720
pretty deep I'm not the deepest into
this or people who have studied m culture

686
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:51.760
more than me, but I'm pretty
I've read a lot on this. Okay,

687
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:57.720
I'm pretty deep into m Keltra.
I've read basically all but one of

688
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:02.680
the mainstream books on it, and
that's there's quite a few, even by

689
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:06.479
scholarly people. And we have books
from the actually Chaultra doctors too, which

690
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:10.359
I've read. So not an chulture
expert, but I know a lot about

691
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:19.880
it, and it looks like,
uh, if if there is a an

692
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:25.840
Alice in Wonderland connection to in Chultra. So far, what I've been able

693
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:34.920
to figure out is that is this, uh the Montreal experiments. What's the

694
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.439
name of this place, mont Royal? That was mont Royal? Is it

695
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:48.560
Royal? Victorian? This is it? By the way, this is this

696
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.800
is not this is not fake.
This is all like people have been awarded

697
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:59.600
a settlements over this. You understand
this is not conspiracy theory, right,

698
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:06.640
people have been given money because of
doctor Ewan Cameron's experiments and whatnot. That's

699
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:12.159
just that's a CBC by the way, that's mainstream news. Somebody remind you

700
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:16.319
mont Royal, that's it. The
complex perched at the on the slope of

701
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:23.880
mont Royal is now called the Victoria
Hospital at McGill University. So, by

702
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.279
the way, McGill University used to
be where they were doing MK ultra in

703
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.279
Canada. Uh, there it is, dude. Every one of these places

704
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:39.119
is freaking straight out of a damn
a horror movie. Man. The horror

705
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.680
movies are telling you the truth,
bro, I'm telling you. Look,

706
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.920
I mean, if you if you
watch Cure for Wellness, which not is

707
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:49.079
not it's not exactly about multra.
It's relevant to m culture, but it's

708
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:55.279
not exactly about that. It's just
the last movie that came up that I

709
01:16:55.319 --> 01:17:00.640
can think of, which was basically
an MK ultra movie. You know where

710
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:02.920
you have like the No, I'm
not gonna I ain't gonna shop for that

711
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:10.000
shit. I'm not I'm not trying
to buy my way into the mind control

712
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:15.800
facilities. Uh. Is a pretty
good movie, pretty good psychological horror thriller.

713
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.800
If you haven't seen Cure for Wellness, if you're looking for one of

714
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:27.760
those, uh, you know,
MK ultra type movies, but it has

715
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:32.640
to be I'm speaking specifically of the
MK ultra movies taking place in a dang

716
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:39.079
facility. Right like this, it's
got to look halfway like a castle,

717
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:43.640
you know what I mean? Right, For I mean to be a real

718
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:49.119
legit m k ultra mind control facility
destroying your subconscious and smashing your mind into

719
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:54.560
many pieces, it's got to at
least have some castle in it, right,

720
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:59.199
It's got to be like castle.
Its not a legit m kulture facility

721
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:09.479
anyway. So I guess it's the
Yeah, Alan Memorial Institute is what it

722
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:13.720
was called from nineteen fifty three to
nineteen seventy three at McGill University when they

723
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:18.399
were doing the m culture projects.
So that all of that to say that

724
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:24.039
one of the women who claimed but
yeah, I meant to say, sucker

725
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:30.800
Punch is of course the other movie
where you get the classic mental institute creating

726
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:41.399
of the Altars. And we've covered
sucker Punch many times, right, because

727
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:46.359
she's in there with her, you
know a crew of bad bishes and they

728
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:51.760
are cabaret ladies, but they also
happen to be altars, but they're also

729
01:18:51.880 --> 01:19:00.119
not really there. They're altars in
what's her name, Ellie Rowing or I

730
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.880
forget her name. You know what
I'm trying to say, Yeah, sucker

731
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:12.159
Punch is another one of these in
cultra alternate Hollywood mind people. All right,

732
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:15.840
So back to this anyway, For
the whole point of all that was

733
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:25.439
just to say that in search of
the mentoring candidate, I think John Mark

734
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:31.119
says that one of the women that
was underneath you and Cameron, her claim

735
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:38.319
is that Cameron was using Alice in
Wonderland to try to reimprint her. So

736
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.199
so far, that's what I can
come up with. Now. In John

737
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:45.279
C. Lilly's book, where he
admits to doing some of this stuff as

738
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:53.479
well, and dosing young children,
programming and beta programming the human biocomputer,

739
01:19:54.520 --> 01:20:05.079
he doesn't mention Alice in Wonderland,
but he does mention showing people on LSD,

740
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:14.039
and I'm assuming he means the kids
to melting clocks and a lot of

741
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:19.439
surrealist imagery that you would associate with
Alison Wannerland. So that's a tenuous connections,

742
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:24.359
not explicitly also Wonnerland. But here's
the book, this is the course

743
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:30.960
the dolphin freak who had a thing
for dolphins, absolute degenerate, mind controlled

744
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.279
idiot like just I mean, these
people are the worst, right, total

745
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:38.479
mad science lunatic and the idea is
that we'll think about it. If the

746
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:43.159
human body and the mind are computers, they're biological computers. Well, you

747
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:45.920
can erase and reboot a computer,
right, yeah, so erase it,

748
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:53.680
reboot it with these toxins, and
then use external stimuli to reprogram. That's

749
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:57.560
the basic idea here. And it's
real. This is not made up.

750
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.079
So this is all real. You
understand. These are actual elder doctors who

751
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:05.359
have actual books that I've actually read
and actually lectured on. And I've read

752
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:13.520
about this for over ten years.
So we're not in the conspiracy domain anymore.

753
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:18.159
People. You understand now pop culture
associates all of these things with it,

754
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:25.800
and there is again, there's some
precedent for that association. But exactly

755
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:30.319
whether or not Alis in Wonderland is
used in MK Ultra. So far,

756
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:34.920
I've only uncovered the claim of one
of the women underneath you and Cameron,

757
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:39.800
and I'm not saying she's lying.
I'm just saying that so far, that's

758
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:45.279
the only hard documented connection that I
can find. So anyway, Isaac and

759
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:46.760
his article goes on to talk about
a lot of we we talked about.

760
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.600
So he was hanging out with Carl
Jung as we said, that's what gives

761
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:57.319
us the connection to because Carl Jung. As you know, remember everybody,

762
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.840
Carl Young is not just he's not
just a philosopher. Well he's the greatest,

763
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:09.680
he's the best. Well he's not
just that. He's also in the

764
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:15.319
OSS. What. Yes, Carl
Young was a spy and you can read

765
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:20.640
his letters back and forth between Alan
Dulles because Carl Young was agent for eight

766
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:28.399
eight. And that's interesting because people
think, wait a minute, he wrote

767
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:33.239
these esoteric texts and he talks about, you know, things that seem possibly

768
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:38.800
pagan and maybe even tiny mustache Man. No, dude, he was informing

769
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:45.079
too Dulles on Tiny Mustache Men followers
for the OSS. He was agent for

770
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.560
eight eight. And this is not
just on Reddit. This is a public

771
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:55.039
here. It is Daily Beast.
He was known as agent for eighty eight

772
01:22:55.039 --> 01:23:00.600
for the OSS. Carl Young Oss
agent for eight eight. Here's the actual

773
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:06.760
I think this is the actual,
one of his actual letters. Yeah,

774
01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:15.640
well that's somebody's translation of the letter. Now have you ever heard doctor Joran

775
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.199
Peterson mentioned this. No, he
doesn't ever mention this, but he says

776
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:23.760
he's read the collected works, right, So if he's read the collected works.

777
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:28.159
This is Carl Young's Letters Volume one, nineteen oh six to nineteen fifty.

778
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:31.399
It's just I'm not saying it's a
conspiracy. It's just interesting he hasn't

779
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:36.319
mentioned this because I've talked about all
this kind of stuff for a long time,

780
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.119
and it's not a conspiracy theory.
It's an actual historical fact. You

781
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.039
can actually see the somebody has on
one of these websites as scanned in the

782
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:59.640
actual one of the telegrams back and
forth between Alan Dulles and Carl Young.

783
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:10.520
Anyway, but that again makes the
connection closer between Carl Jung and MK Ultra.

784
01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:15.840
You see, and pretty much all
of these dudes right are involved in

785
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:20.880
mculture in varying ways and endiffering degrees
because MK Ultra was not one program that

786
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:25.119
people get confused over. This.
By the way, we're can we get

787
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:29.079
any support tonight, anybody, if
you're learning things, please support the show

788
01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:32.960
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789
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:40.920
inclined, if you want to be
nice tonight. Right there, So,

790
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:45.800
guys, everybody wants to talk about
in the chat, I'm not talking about

791
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.840
my mods. I'm talking about these
new people like they don't want to talk

792
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.239
about what the night's topic is.
Okay, that's not the topic tonight.

793
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:56.800
If you're wondering about all these other
topics, I just did a show with

794
01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:02.560
Jason Burmas about other topics. So
go watch the Burmus show we just did.

795
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:08.520
It's not tonight's topic. It's not
that we're talking about Karl Young and

796
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:12.960
we're talking about Lewis Carroll and we're
gone way off in M culture. But

797
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:23.359
that's okay because we are live learning. We're live learning. And by the

798
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:26.239
way, as to your question about
Hebrew mysticism, I've already answered this.

799
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:36.239
I've already answered this, and I've
talked about a million times. So he's

800
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:41.560
in the circles of Carl Young via
the Society for Psychical Research. Kral Young

801
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.159
is hanging out with working with for
many years at Bergoldsey doctor ew and Cameron

802
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:50.760
of M culture fame, and at
Bergoldsey they're doing all kinds of M culture

803
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:55.880
stuff. And M culture again is
not just can we mind control somebody,

804
01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:00.880
can we sneak LSD and make them
go crazy? No? No, it's

805
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:09.159
vast numbers, dozens of programs at
universities all over the world, and that's

806
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:16.119
what's people are discovering more and more
is that M culture is not I mean

807
01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:21.439
used to the researchers would say the
common phraseology would say, oh, you

808
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:26.000
know, M culture was not one
program. M culture was dozens of programs

809
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.079
at dozens of universities in America,
in North America. No, it's all

810
01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:33.119
over the world. They were doing
M culture research throughout Australia. There's a

811
01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:38.199
whole book on that that was not
that was published not that long ago online.

812
01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:44.560
So you understand, people are piecing
this together and figuring out even still

813
01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:47.239
new information is emerging. Hey wait
a minute, this guy. Hey,

814
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:50.399
you know, Carl Young's over here
working at Bergoldsey with doctor Ewan Cameron for

815
01:26:50.479 --> 01:27:01.359
years together in the Bleueler years at
Bergoldsy and Lewis Carroll is hanging out to

816
01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:06.960
some degree with Freud and Young at
the Society, the Society for Psychical Research.

817
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:15.680
Uh. And that also connected them
to Blovatski. Although the Society for

818
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:21.600
Psychical Research interestingly debunked they did a
debooking of Madam Blavatski, and so Madam

819
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:27.840
Lavatski was of course a fraud because
she got debunked in her seances but that

820
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.640
actually doesn't matter, because even though
you can be a fraud and be a

821
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:35.119
good spy, all good spies are
frauds. And Madam Blavatski, I believe

822
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.880
was what was working for British intelligence, and that explains why she was going

823
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:45.680
to meet her ascended masters in the
Far East, who were her handlers and

824
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:56.800
her KGB context like contacts like uh
Nicholas Rock another one of her occult associates.

825
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:01.319
And remember, guys, again,
people are mystified. I'm gonna have

826
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:06.439
to debunk you guys a little bit. I'm sorry to break your sensationalist fervor.

827
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:15.119
But a lot of this occult gibberish
gobbledegook, it's just another way to

828
01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:21.199
have spies. Yes, you heard
me right, Their codes, their code

829
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:29.600
speak, their NERD codes. What's
the Joaquin Phoenix's line in signs right,

830
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:32.279
He's like, there's no aliens.
It's just a bunch of nerds talking to

831
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:36.359
other nerds with their nerd codes.
Exactly, Joaquin Phoenix. Guess what,

832
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:43.800
It's the same thing. A lot
of secret societies are just networks of espionage

833
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:48.960
and spies. That's it. So
you're mistress, I don't know, dude,

834
01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:54.319
is that's a bunch of woo woo
gibberish to cover up for Madam Levatski

835
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.199
is not going to meet ascended masters. I mean, she might have been

836
01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:00.279
possessed and into the demonic for sure, But when she's going to talk to

837
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:05.159
sended masters, that's her handlers,
and that's doctor Spence's theory. I think

838
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:13.239
that's true anyway. Now, Isaac
talks about what we talked about in our

839
01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:15.880
video, and to be fair,
Isaac, I had not read this article.

840
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.960
Isaac wrote this article before I did
my video. I had not read

841
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:25.760
this. I did my video separate
from Isaac's article, which I discovered recently.

842
01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:30.920
Isaac talks about the initiation element.
Now, if Lewis Carroll is in

843
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.319
the circles of the Golden Dawn,
this seems plausible. This makes sense that

844
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:39.680
there would be an initiatory element to
it, because maybe the first you know

845
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:45.079
Alice in Wonderland is it has its
own themes of alternate personality and whatnot.

846
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:51.159
But through the looking glass, right, perhaps that's another initiatory movement as well,

847
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:57.479
because in the first one, for
example, she goes into the underworld.

848
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:01.399
The rabbit is the cycle pump,
right, The psychopomp is the literary

849
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:05.399
device that leads us and takes us
into the underworld. So following the White

850
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:10.880
Rabbit takes her to the underworld,
we have a classic Hero's journey story of

851
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:15.359
the descent the Catabastis into the underworld
and then the return. Classic ancient literature

852
01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:19.279
is very common. If you take
literary classes, you'll learn this, like

853
01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:26.199
in the first one. So all
this stuff is pretty common. And that

854
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:31.479
would also parallel with Carl Jung's archetypal
patterns as well, and that would you

855
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:34.319
know, this is where you get
Joseph Campbell, right, those are Campbell

856
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:41.079
stuff is just like water down Carl
Young. So Hero's Journey Alice is doing

857
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:46.720
that. But you can also read
it as a descent into the subconscious because

858
01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:50.520
in the esoteric perspective, those those
two things are kind of the same,

859
01:30:51.279 --> 01:31:00.319
the esoteric journey into the abyss or
into the underworld the same as the descent

860
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:06.880
of the conscious mind into the unconscious
mind, because the unconscious mind is the

861
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:15.560
portal to the underworld in esoteric and
even in other philosophies as well. So

862
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:23.800
that is I would say pretty I'm
pretty certain that that's what Lewis is working

863
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.880
with here. Now. In the
second one, we don't go into the

864
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:30.680
underworld, okay, So in Through
the Looking Glass we go into the mirror

865
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:35.560
world, so it's a little more
self consciously neoplatonic. But in the first

866
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:42.199
one we go into the underworld.
So that's the descent. That's the also

867
01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:45.720
part of the initiation right as well. And so Isaac goes with the initiation

868
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:49.960
reading, which I think is probably
correct. Again, if he's in the

869
01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:55.800
circles of Golden Dawn, if he's
familiar with Carl Jung's stuff, I think

870
01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:59.199
they would overlap. Would they overlap? He might not, let me see

871
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.319
if he overlaps. So it might
be young. He might be too early

872
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:04.800
for young or to know Carl Young. But Carl Young would definitely be familiar

873
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:11.640
with his stuff. So if he
died in what the late ninety eighteen nineties,

874
01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:17.600
could he have read? No,
so Young would be too too young,

875
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:24.960
get it, Carl would be too
young for him to read. However,

876
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:29.399
Young would be pulling from Carrol because
as we saw what Carol died in

877
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:32.840
the eighteen nineties, right, what's
that? Right? Thank you guys for

878
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.199
the super chats. Appreciate the support. We're trying to go deep here.

879
01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:41.560
I mean you guys like the deep
dive analysis, right, I mean nobody

880
01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:46.359
else goes this deep, right.
I mean I'm not trying to knock everybody,

881
01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:50.399
right, we got our butt.
Our friends. I'm not talking about

882
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:57.039
our friends go deep, right,
Cootel goes deep, Isaac goes deep.

883
01:32:57.079 --> 01:33:00.359
I'm not dissing our friends. I'm
saying, like, if you were to

884
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:09.600
scour the internet for analyses of this
book or choose the YouTube videos for these

885
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:13.840
literary works, dude, nobody goes
even close to where we go. Now,

886
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.439
there's some nerds, I have to
admit, like you if you type

887
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:20.760
in a Dune analysis, Okay,
there's nerds. There's spergatrons that know Doune

888
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.960
better than I'll never know ever know
Doune. Okay, but they only know

889
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:29.720
Done. Okay. They can't tell
you about perennialism. They don't know anything

890
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:33.920
about Done utilizing mk ulture principles that
they don't know anything about it. That's

891
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:39.920
way out of their their pay grade. Okay. So nerds can only give

892
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.760
you like the intra context level of
the book. Okay, they can master

893
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:48.000
all the nerddom, but they can't
tell you anything beyond that. So they're

894
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:56.680
basically worthless unless you're looking for a
detail about you know what happens in Doune

895
01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:00.279
part five to the you know the
worm or whatever. Okay, the nerds

896
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.159
can help you out there. They
can't tell you nothing about neo platonism,

897
01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:09.960
I'll tell you that much. So. So if he died in eighteen ninety

898
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:13.560
eight, yeah, then so he
could. He wouldn't have known Carl Young

899
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:17.000
unless he was into kraljung as like
a fifteen year old, which he might

900
01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:25.720
have been. You know what I'm
saying. Y'all get my jokes, all

901
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.439
right, So back to Isaac's point. A couple more. I don't agree

902
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:35.600
with all of Isaac's symbolism references here, although overall Isaac's article is pretty good.

903
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:40.079
There's a couple of places where I
disagree with the symbol but he admits

904
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:44.199
that he's kind of maybe reaching or
speculating about some of the symbolism. He

905
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:51.880
talks about Lewis Carroll's odd interest in
apparently young women. I guess young girls

906
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:58.600
profess to be Christian, but it
was more so into neoplatonism. It seems

907
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:08.840
we talked about all that. Let's
see the name Alice. I thought,

908
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:20.279
isn't altaya truth in Greek anyway?
Alithia alta, what's what's truth in Greek?

909
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:25.159
I didn't think it was Alice,
but maybe it's close to Alice.

910
01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:30.319
So so Isaac talks about the descent. That's what we just talked about as

911
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:34.720
above, so below, microcosm,
macrocosm. That's true, and it's true

912
01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:39.560
not just of the underworld when Alice
descends there, but also when she goes

913
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:49.199
into the mirror world. So so
the oh yeah, I wanted to talk

914
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:54.800
about this point because this relates that
this is another potential connection between MK Ultra

915
01:35:55.560 --> 01:36:02.439
and Alice in Wonderland, and that's
the drug element. So a lot of

916
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:09.680
the scholarship says, there's not really
any hard data that we can as far

917
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:13.319
as unless there's something Alex say,
excuse me, So it's not Alice,

918
01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:19.920
but it was close enough. But
as far as I could tell, it

919
01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:26.039
doesn't look like Lewis Carroll was doing
drugs. And this is important because everybody

920
01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:29.880
says, well, what about the
Cheshire Cat. Isn't he smoking a hookah?

921
01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:33.680
Alice? We have mushrooms and we
have Alice eating and drinking things that

922
01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:43.800
make her smaller, bigger, you
know whatever. It seems plausible that the

923
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:45.840
circles that he was in, if
he's hanging out with these Golden Dawn people,

924
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:51.960
I would say, yes, they
were probably experimenting with opium dens hashish

925
01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:56.239
right, if you remember, so
Conan Doyle is in these circles, and

926
01:36:56.359 --> 01:37:08.000
Conan Doyle hash he has a Sherlock
go to opium dens. It's some of

927
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:15.800
the stories, right, because I've
read the Conan Doule's Sherlock stories, but

928
01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:17.760
it's been many years. I don't
remember all the details. But doesn't Sherlock.

929
01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:24.520
I know that Benedict cucumber Batch cucumber
snatch, cucumber bender snatch. I

930
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:30.640
know that he goes to opium dens. But I want to think that it's

931
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.520
part of the stories, because if
you remember, Sherlock has a spy network,

932
01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:39.560
and he sets up these spy networks
like the Hobos. He's got a

933
01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:44.840
Hobo spy network and he's got like
drugged in spy networks that tell him information.

934
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:49.880
And people wonder why that is.
Well, Sherlock represents British intelligence first

935
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:55.760
of all, because his brother Microft
explicitly is basically British intelligence they hang out

936
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:58.600
at what Boodles Club, which is
I think where all the British intelligence people

937
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:03.000
were supposed to be at. And
the address two twenty one B Baker Street

938
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:09.520
is actually a reference to British intelligence. I read that in a Conan Doyle

939
01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:16.920
biography one time. So if you
didn't know that, that also connects via

940
01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:21.760
Conan Doyle in the circles with Lewis
Carroll with British intelligence. And by the

941
01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:28.119
way, I just told you that
already, because many of the Anglican people

942
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:32.920
were also British intelligence and spies.
So yes, shocker right. British intelligence

943
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:40.680
also recruited from Anglican ministers. Of
course. In fact, I remember a

944
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:46.800
famous I think Rushtony. No,
somebody in Rushdene's group wrote a book about

945
01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:57.199
a famous Anglican spy. He was
a missionary soldier, spy did all these

946
01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.359
kind of crazy missions. I forget
his name though, but it wasn't I

947
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:03.720
don't think rushing Any wrote the book, but somebody in rush Any circles wrote

948
01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:19.439
this book about this famous Anglican adventurer
or spy man. So anyway, is

949
01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:23.159
somebody doubting me on that? Let's
see what we get when we search it.

950
01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:35.079
By the way, I think when
Jamie and I went there, I

951
01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:41.159
think we went by I think we
went by to twin would be Baker Street.

952
01:39:45.520 --> 01:40:02.399
So now it's the it's a museum. Okay. So of course,

953
01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:06.479
YouTube basically, I mean Google basically
doesn't work. It basically pulls up absolutely

954
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:13.840
nothing that you're looking for. But
I did read that in a biography of

955
01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:18.039
Conan Doyle and that there's a reason
why he chose that address because the address

956
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:21.239
used to be it used to be
something connected. It might have been maybe

957
01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:27.960
a safe house for British intelligence at
one point, so it's a coded reference

958
01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:31.800
to British intelligence. But anyway,
my craft is actually, uh, British

959
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:36.079
intelligence. But I'm trying to remember
if that's in the books, right,

960
01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:42.760
because after a while you start mixing
the TV presentations with the books, you

961
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:46.199
know what I mean. So let's
see, let's see what not Boodles is

962
01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:53.600
Dodge in these club excuse me?
So my Croft Homes is the brother older

963
01:40:53.640 --> 01:41:00.800
brother. He's a government official,
he's a British intelligence operative. So let's

964
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:15.039
see Sherlock Vigis visits him at the
Diogenes Club. Uh, my cross position

965
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:20.680
is unique. His position is a
role that never has any anything been like

966
01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:23.920
it, nor will there ever be, So he's some sort of like super

967
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:34.520
spy. Basically. Anyway, we're
way off off topic, but we're doing

968
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:40.600
a non Schitzo stream of consciousness association
here, So this is the proper way

969
01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:45.560
to do analysis and association, not
the way Schitzo's and crazy conspiracy idiots do

970
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:53.199
it. Let's see, so Isaac
theorizes that the there's a kind of communion

971
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:57.439
that Alice is undergoing here with she's
drink, she drinks the bottle of liquid,

972
01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.239
she eats the cake, so it's
like bread and wine. But it

973
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:05.520
perhaps could be a drug version of
this kind of thing. And Huxley speaks

974
01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:10.600
of drugs as this way, right, so Doors of Perception other books he

975
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:16.960
speaks of, you know, various
types of hallucinogenic drugs being the sacrament of

976
01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:21.039
the future religion. If you remember
that we covered that when we did our

977
01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:27.560
Door's Perception breakdown. So that makes
sense that the people in these circles could

978
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:31.680
have been experimenting with drugs, as
you guys know Crowley's drug Diary, which

979
01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:35.960
if Lewis Carroll is in the circles
of Golden Dawn people. Perhaps he knew

980
01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:40.439
or met Crowley. I'm not sure
about that. Maybe he did, but

981
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:45.000
Crowley was doing drug diaries where he
was recording these experiences, and doctor Spence

982
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:49.279
theorizes that Crowley's drug diaries influenced Huxley
because they partied together and presumably did drugs

983
01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:53.399
together. They might have even touched
butts together, like the butt. I

984
01:42:53.439 --> 01:43:01.000
don't know, very possible, but
pun intended. It looked like that could

985
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:05.520
be another potential connection. Right,
So maybe he is adding the drug elements

986
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:13.399
to the novels as part of the
initiation or whatever. This book is supposed

987
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:16.159
to be. Thank you guys for
these super chats. Must appreciate it.

988
01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:19.000
You can support the stream via the
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989
01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:29.680
learning new things, feel free to
support us. So Isaac talks about initiation

990
01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:33.319
going into the underworld. We've covered
that here. I'm not sure I buy

991
01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:39.600
this. This is kind of a
reach, Isaac says. So we know

992
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:43.359
that Alice has a couple of kiddies. One of them is called Dinah and

993
01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:46.279
the other one's called I think just
called Kitty, and one of the black

994
01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:50.520
one is white. Is this the
two pillars? I mean, I do

995
01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:54.720
think the black and white is important
because we get a lot of either ores,

996
01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.600
So the whole novel is concerned with
word games, logic puzzles, either

997
01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:00.920
ores, and then that's to be
part of where I talk about dialectics.

998
01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:10.520
Wonderland as we know, or the
looking Glass world is arranged in a bunch

999
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:15.439
of giant squares, which is the
Masonic floorboard. It's also the chessboard.

1000
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:19.680
So it's possible that I think the
black and white kitty mean this, but

1001
01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:26.319
the fact that Dinah is close to
Bina, I don't buy that, So

1002
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:42.359
I'm not buying the word association there
for cobbalism. Isaac may say potential connection

1003
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:47.039
between the High Priestess tarot deck and
the idea of the Red Queen the White

1004
01:44:47.119 --> 01:44:51.560
Queen and isis. This is possible. The Golden Dawn definitely has a high

1005
01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:59.720
place for Isis in their ritual philosophy
or whatever, so this seems plausible that

1006
01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:05.720
there could be Golden Dawn magic elements
in this tarot decks. They don't They

1007
01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:10.399
have a close association with playing card
decks, and we know the playing car

1008
01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:17.359
card characters come to life in right
the Wonderland stories, so this seems plausible.

1009
01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:28.319
At potential tarot card playing card connection. Jamie, can you com here?

1010
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:34.399
Isn't there a connection between playing cards
and tarot cards? Okay? So

1011
01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:39.760
just yeah, no no information on
that just yet. Okay, could you

1012
01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:46.600
make me another coffee? By the
way, thank you. Someone who knows

1013
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:50.520
more about the history of playing cards
and tarot cards. I guess we can

1014
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:53.920
look that. We've looked everything else
up, so let's look this up.

1015
01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:06.560
Now. Was the rider Weight tarot
deck? Is that from the Golden Dawn

1016
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:14.039
Jamie? Yeah, so the most
famous tarot deck that everybody thinks about when

1017
01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:18.239
they see the images of the Hangman
or whatever. That's a Golden Dawn playing

1018
01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:30.439
card deck. So so yes.
So now this is just wiki crap,

1019
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.840
so who knows. I don't know
how historical this is, but apparently you

1020
01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:40.640
can use playing cards as a form
of divination, right, so playing cards

1021
01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:45.279
can be you can lay them out
the way that you lay out tarot cards

1022
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:49.520
for divination or whatever. But I
was looking for the actual history of this.

1023
01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:55.239
I don't know the history of how
far back tarot cards go with playing

1024
01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:58.880
cards, but I'm assuming there's probably
some overlap there. So anybody, if

1025
01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:00.720
people that know about this, you
can tell me about this. That's not

1026
01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:09.720
something I know a lot about.
But let's see back to Isaac's article.

1027
01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:15.039
Isaac then theorizes about m Kilter and
child aboose. I don't know about that.

1028
01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:18.159
He's wrong about the dramatic Germanic goddess
of Ostara. That's not easter.

1029
01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:30.800
Ostra is just Wasn't that just the
Germanic term for the spring and Easter is

1030
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:36.119
Paska. Okay, so the words
don't necessarily mean pagan deities, but that

1031
01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:40.600
that's remember that because we're going to
talk here in a little bit about the

1032
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:49.720
mistake that dumb conspiracy people make,
that evangelical people make, that schizo people

1033
01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:56.760
make, and heretics make with word
concept fallacies and false either ors. We'll

1034
01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:00.640
notice this in a minute because this
is actually part of the dialogue that Alice

1035
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:05.199
has with some of these characters.
So then Isaac talks about, you know,

1036
01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:09.560
MK Ultra and the notion of his
association. Now I do think I

1037
01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:13.600
don't know that. Again, we
don't know if this novel was in any

1038
01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:17.199
way written with the intention of some
kind of mind control. Maybe there was

1039
01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:21.039
people experimenting with this in his day, maybe in his Golden Dawn circles they

1040
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:26.479
were, but we just don't know. Maybe eventually information will come forward showing

1041
01:48:26.520 --> 01:48:31.399
that, but it does look like
later people, possibly you and Cameron use

1042
01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:38.640
this as a experiment. That's as
far as I can say, right,

1043
01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:45.359
But you've got like Fritz Springmeyer right
places, like a huge amount of like

1044
01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:50.039
oh yeah, like the novel was
written as a way to create alters in

1045
01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:55.079
mind control. I mean, but
what's the proof of that? Right?

1046
01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:59.680
So that's a claim, But how
do we prove that? So, as

1047
01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:04.199
far as I can tell, it
hasn't been demonstrated. It might be true,

1048
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:09.199
but it hasn't been so that is
a theory. Okay. So again

1049
01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:15.680
we're always distinguishing what can be demonstrated
with facts and evidence, facts and logic.

1050
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:17.520
We're straight up, Ben Shapiro,
facts and logic, which don't care

1051
01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:25.319
about your feelings, Facts and logic
and our characterings versus theories. And I'm

1052
01:49:25.359 --> 01:49:30.079
not opposed to theories. We just
always want to be clear when we're theorizing

1053
01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:38.239
and we don't have hard data,
right per se. Dave McGowan's theory that

1054
01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:45.600
many of the serial killers might be
a form of Phoenix program, it's a

1055
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:50.319
theory. There's some evidence that suggests
that there are some programs to use serial

1056
01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:54.800
killers. Do we then say,
can we then know? Can we make

1057
01:49:54.840 --> 01:50:00.399
the leap every serial killer is a
mind control program assassin from the Phoenix.

1058
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:08.560
We don't know that. So we
have to be guarded in not rash in

1059
01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:16.399
our leaps. What's the what's the
fallacy? I'm drawing a blank here.

1060
01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:24.800
I'm supposed to know this stuff,
right, hasty generalization or a rash inference.

1061
01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:30.439
Right, And we also have to
keep in mind other fallacies that are

1062
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:36.640
particularly dangerous for conspiracy minded people.
Right. What are the two fallacies that

1063
01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:43.920
conspiracy people always fall into? Texas
sharpshooter fallacy and the gambler's fallacy. Just

1064
01:50:43.960 --> 01:50:51.119
remember, as a theorizer of real
world geopolitical events and so forth, we

1065
01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:58.159
have to not fall into the temptations
of thinking. For example, gambler's fallacy.

1066
01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:02.960
I rolled the six on the dice
three times in a row. Does

1067
01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:09.000
that mean or in any way determine
that my next role will be a six?

1068
01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:17.359
Absolutely not. That's the gambler's fallacy, and conspiracy theorists fall into this

1069
01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:23.800
all the time. It's like a
classic mistake of conspiracy minded people. Anyway,

1070
01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:26.199
that we've talked about that before.
We're not gonna be talking about that

1071
01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:30.520
when we get to the conspiracy people. We're almost there. So Isaac again

1072
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:39.000
my academic text says that the theory
of some people is that Lewis Carroll himself

1073
01:51:39.279 --> 01:51:44.279
was an mpdd ID, which does
make sense given the fact that other elements

1074
01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:47.039
that come forth in the novel is
I mean, aside from his fixation of

1075
01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:55.359
taking photographs of young people, that
the novel is actually dealing with through the

1076
01:51:55.560 --> 01:52:04.439
looking lessure with Adulton, So the
move from childhood to adulthood and confronting the

1077
01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:11.119
elements of the adult world that don't
make sense to a kid, and realizing

1078
01:52:11.159 --> 01:52:15.840
as a kid that you will have
to eventually grow up and become an adult.

1079
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:24.479
So the direct literal interpretation of Alex
as she progresses Alex Alice as I

1080
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:29.279
can't believe you confused me with her
unbelie Alice. As she progresses through the

1081
01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:32.359
novel, she eventually gets a crown
because she wants to be a queen.

1082
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:38.560
So in this level of interpretation,
this is about Alice wanting to become an

1083
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:44.640
adult, and she sees grown women, she sees that they have they can

1084
01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:46.960
do things that she can't do as
a kid. They have privilege. Adults

1085
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:53.880
have privileges that kids don't have.
So it's partly a novel about grappling with

1086
01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:58.359
growing up and becoming an adult.
And we know that, I mean,

1087
01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:01.520
that's pretty much an undisputed element of
this novel. Everybody says this, But

1088
01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:05.880
we know that Carol had an issue
with this because he was a very lonely

1089
01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:13.359
adult and it might have to do
with his perversions of proclivities. I don't

1090
01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:16.640
know, but he apparently had a
hard time with becoming an adult. This

1091
01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:23.920
might have been why he had this
perhaps regressive childlike alter personality. Perhaps he

1092
01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:29.279
was abused himself that caused this alter
personality, trauma based abuse. Who knows

1093
01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:34.399
that might have happened to him,
right, And so on one level,

1094
01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:40.359
it's that it's grappling with the things
that don't make sense in the adult world,

1095
01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:44.479
Like you get to grow up,
you have freedom, but you're gonna

1096
01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.279
die. Why do we have to
die? Well, you can't stop it.

1097
01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:51.760
If I can't stop dying, then
is everything something that I can't stop?

1098
01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:56.079
Why can't I cause things to be
different in the world. Well,

1099
01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:59.560
there's just this fixed, determined law
that you're gonna die? Does that mean

1100
01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:02.840
everything fixed? So you see how
it kind of falls over into this predestinarian

1101
01:54:03.600 --> 01:54:10.000
theme. So themes of the novel
include these are my notes, physical and

1102
01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:15.800
emotional transformation, dealing with what's going
to happen as you get older, the

1103
01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:19.199
lowliness that will come about as you
grow up. Apparently he was, as

1104
01:54:19.239 --> 01:54:24.520
far as we know, maybe celibate. Don't know if he was Skittles or

1105
01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:30.960
PDF maybe, but apparently he doesn't
have any relationships that we know of,

1106
01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:35.640
so apparently he was lonely in his
life. He sought a lot of love

1107
01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:41.239
and approval. Apparently he didn't get
it. He was obsessed with the trauma

1108
01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:47.520
of growing up and the questions of
life and death. Although we have these

1109
01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:56.479
disciplines like logic and mathematics that he's
studying, he's concerned with things that don't

1110
01:54:56.479 --> 01:55:01.520
make sense. So how can we
have logic, mathematics, these rational,

1111
01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:09.199
coherent disciplines seemingly that he's studying,
and yet when confronted with the world out

1112
01:55:09.199 --> 01:55:15.439
there, everything seems to not make
sense. It's contradictions. Society isn't organized

1113
01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:20.560
in a just way. There's the
oppression of the elites against the non elites,

1114
01:55:21.039 --> 01:55:29.560
the plebs, the garbage people,
the vulgars, the skanks. There's

1115
01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:35.520
corruption amongst the nobility. Why are
the corrupt in charge. I think that's

1116
01:55:35.520 --> 01:55:41.920
what Humpty Dumpty Ruck represents. Because
he's fat, he's well fed, he's

1117
01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:45.640
all about fashion and style. He
knows his fashions. He corrects her when

1118
01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:53.159
she confuses a belt with a cravat, and his whole thing is to constantly

1119
01:55:53.199 --> 01:56:00.560
say that, thank you. Yeah. His whole thing is to contly say,

1120
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:06.399
uh, the King will save me. The King will put me back

1121
01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:10.840
together if I fall apart, if
I fall And we notice he's perched on

1122
01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:15.319
a wall above her, and he
says, well, if I fall down

1123
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:16.520
and break like, the King will
send his horses. They'll put me back

1124
01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:20.000
together. So it's this sort of
uh, the upper wealthy class or the

1125
01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:23.960
nobility that appeal to him, worship
the King he's always talking about. He's

1126
01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:27.600
always named his names, name dropping, right. He's like, the King

1127
01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:30.439
knows me, and I know the
White Queen. They gave me this cravat,

1128
01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:35.840
right. So he represents the fat, indulgent, lazy, wealthy and

1129
01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:40.439
upper class that sort of sucked up
to the king and the queen, I

1130
01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:46.239
think. Uh So. Jamie,
by the way, has an analysis she

1131
01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:49.199
wanted me to mention if you want
to get Jamie's book, you can head

1132
01:56:49.239 --> 01:56:53.560
on over to my website and get
her Weird Stuff book. She has a

1133
01:56:53.560 --> 01:56:59.880
whole section on Alice in Wonderland and
the conspiracy reading of the text. So

1134
01:56:59.880 --> 01:57:04.800
she goes into the connections that Disney
had with this story. So obviously Disney

1135
01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:12.439
as much later into the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties, but Disney had

1136
01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:16.800
an intense fascination with this story.
Everybody's I'm sure seeing the Disney version of

1137
01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:19.520
Alice in Wonderland. I actually haven't
seen that since I was a kid,

1138
01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:26.000
so I've what's fresh in my mind
is the books. So I don't even

1139
01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:30.039
remember. I mean, I remember
a few images from the Disney one,

1140
01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:32.359
but I don't even remember what I
was in the Disney one. So I

1141
01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:38.720
can't speak too much to the Disney
version of it. Because But anyway,

1142
01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:41.760
if you want Jamie's take, you
can get signed copies of her book over

1143
01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:47.720
at the website. Also, this
notion of if he did have split personality,

1144
01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:55.960
this also could have contributed to why
he believed that you could pass into

1145
01:57:56.039 --> 01:58:00.199
a mirror world, right, So
if that's his inner weird experience, it's

1146
01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:04.840
however that works for people that have
this MPD d id dilemmit. By the

1147
01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:14.640
way, there was a movie that
came out with the Matthew from Downton Abbey.

1148
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:17.960
I forget that guy's name, And
you're saying, why are you talking

1149
01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:23.840
about Matthew from Downton Abbey. Well, I'm gonna show you because this is

1150
01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:26.800
another thing that popped up that I
didn't expect. And I don't know how

1151
01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:32.640
much scholarly basis there is to this
because when I was in undergrad in grad

1152
01:58:32.640 --> 01:58:34.760
school, I took a lot of
lit classes. I've had a lot of

1153
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:39.199
lit stuff, so I know it
pretty well. But what I don't know

1154
01:58:39.439 --> 01:58:42.199
is much of the history of the
authors. So I don't I mean,

1155
01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:45.600
I know about Dostoevsky and but like, I couldn't tell you anything about Charles

1156
01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:50.239
Dickens. I don't remember much about
him. But did you see that movie

1157
01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:59.119
with what's his freaking name? They
made a Charles Dickens movie and you're watching

1158
01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:02.319
it, and I'm like, okay, so they're gonna make a you know,

1159
01:59:02.439 --> 01:59:04.760
I don't even really want to watch
this, Jamie really wanted to watch

1160
01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:11.760
it. And it's like, you
got the dude from Downton Abbey playing him?

1161
01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:15.840
Is it this one? Yeah,
the man who invented Christmas. What's

1162
01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:25.159
that guy's name, Matthew Dan Stevens, Right, And I'm watching this movie

1163
01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:32.359
and he's got multiple personality disorder and
I'm like what. And so they're basically

1164
01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:41.479
saying theorizing that Charles Dickens also was
mpdd ID and perhaps that's how he came

1165
01:59:41.560 --> 01:59:45.880
up with all this vast spergatron world
of characters. I mean, I don't

1166
01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:57.079
know, right, but so it's
this movie here and uh, he kind

1167
01:59:57.079 --> 02:00:00.279
of goes nuts. I have no
idea if this is based on any thing

1168
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:06.560
legit though, right, Like,
I don't know if Charles Dickens was had

1169
02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:12.920
alters, but that's the theory of
this movie. And in the mood you're

1170
02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:18.600
watching it and basically like all the
characters like Scrooge, you know, they're

1171
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:25.640
like alters in his head. And
I wasn't expecting this is getting crazy.

1172
02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:31.640
So anyway, let me see if
I hit all my notes here. Oh,

1173
02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:36.279
next thing we want to get to
is, uh, if there isn't

1174
02:00:36.279 --> 02:00:40.640
a cultic element as we said there
might be the notion of the alienation of

1175
02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:46.079
Sophia. So Alice might be the
feminine principle who is exiled from her original

1176
02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:49.239
world, her happy world, her
Eden world, into this crazy world.

1177
02:00:49.239 --> 02:00:55.279
So we're moving beyond the interpretation of
just a young girl growing up into adulthood

1178
02:00:55.279 --> 02:01:00.119
and maturation, but perhaps an esoteric
Sophia principle, where so so Fia creates

1179
02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:08.720
a prism world where she's trapped,
and thus Alice is a fallen soul into

1180
02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:15.000
a fallen prison world, a gnostic
reading like we are. Hence the dream

1181
02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:18.359
interpretation. If you don't know right, you get this dream revelation at the

1182
02:01:18.439 --> 02:01:26.920
end of through the looking goss So
that's also possible. The other element,

1183
02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:29.840
as we wanted to say, is
the linguistic stuff. So let's talk about

1184
02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:35.319
a few of the problems of the
linguistics. Language in the book. Language

1185
02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:41.840
can cause and anticipate events, and
for example, nursery rhymes in the story

1186
02:01:42.000 --> 02:01:45.319
actually cause events to occur. In
two cases. We have the exchange with

1187
02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:50.800
tweedledy and tweetled dumb and the discussion
with Humpty dumpty. So this is interesting

1188
02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:58.720
because in the other world you have
wordplay that in this world we think of

1189
02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:05.079
it as simply word play. But
in that world, for example, she

1190
02:02:05.319 --> 02:02:14.840
talks about Humpty Dumpty, then Humpty
Dumpty, uh falls, right, is

1191
02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:18.640
that right? I'm trying to remember
exactly every deeping does he fall? I

1192
02:02:18.720 --> 02:02:25.600
just read that the other night.
I'm trying to remember because he's saying if

1193
02:02:25.640 --> 02:02:29.840
I fall, it won't matter because
the all the King's forces, all the

1194
02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:31.960
King's men will put us back to
oh in the ravens. So she when

1195
02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:40.359
she's arguing with tweedled the and Tweedled
dumb, somebody mentions a crow, and

1196
02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:46.319
then a giant crow appears. So
in this world, the words that you

1197
02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:53.680
speak actually can cause reality to occur, and that again, that would suggest

1198
02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:58.359
cabalism. Right. So if that's
the case in that dimension of the potentia,

1199
02:02:58.760 --> 02:03:02.319
the realm of potentiality, the imaginal
realm, which is where she is,

1200
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:10.680
right, that does cause the words
cause things to be real. That

1201
02:03:10.720 --> 02:03:17.880
could be callballistic as well. Where
she enters is specifically a mirror world,

1202
02:03:18.279 --> 02:03:21.760
right, So you actually what she
walks through the mirror because in the first

1203
02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:27.840
sequence she's playing with her kittens,
and she's playing with some toys and there's

1204
02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:31.399
a chessboard, and so everything that's
in her real world. When she steps

1205
02:03:31.439 --> 02:03:36.880
into the mirror world, there's a
corollary to it. But in that world,

1206
02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:42.640
the things are alive and they become
kind of guides on her journey,

1207
02:03:42.720 --> 02:03:45.239
her process. They're the new psychopomps, so to speak. Even though she

1208
02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:49.000
doesn't go to an underworld. They
become sort of the animal guides or the

1209
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:55.520
spirit guides, like you might see
a shamanic initiation with the animal. You

1210
02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:58.680
know, people wear the mask and
the animal spirits and they're dancing around and

1211
02:03:58.720 --> 02:04:02.399
they're part of this quest hero's quest
journey that you're on. So we're moving

1212
02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:08.039
into the gnostic and or initiation journey. Reading of the text, I think

1213
02:04:08.039 --> 02:04:15.479
this is probably the case. And
in this sense it would be she's grappling

1214
02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:19.479
with all of the predetermined game theory
stuff. Again, he's a mathematician.

1215
02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:30.680
He likes neoplatonism. So is the
world a matrix of controlled determined events based

1216
02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:42.680
on a strict causal chain, or
is Alice able to figure out the matrix

1217
02:04:42.920 --> 02:04:51.760
solve it become a queen herself and
awaken from her dream. The sleeper must

1218
02:04:51.760 --> 02:05:01.800
awaken and thus, in waking up, does she then achieve self actionation self

1219
02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:08.359
will to not be determined by the
matrix? And I'm not joking when I

1220
02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:15.479
said the matrix, because it's not
an accident that you get the matrix from

1221
02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:19.199
this. Okay, movies like the
Matrix could never have happened if you didn't

1222
02:05:19.239 --> 02:05:26.399
have stories like this. So in
a way, Lewis Carroll is anticipating simulation

1223
02:05:26.680 --> 02:05:31.640
theory way before it comes about.
But I mean, we're not gonna totally

1224
02:05:31.680 --> 02:05:38.439
give him credit for simulation there,
because ultimately Platonism and gnosticism are forms of

1225
02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:47.720
simulation theory way before. Who's the
Bostrom posits it and Elon Musk talks about

1226
02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:51.760
it? Right, so neck Bostrom
posits it. What in like two thousand

1227
02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:59.399
and two, three or four?
Whatever? Simulation theory h spergatrons and computer

1228
02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:01.960
nerds talk about it. Dude,
have you ever seen like the matrix?

1229
02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.920
Like whatever? The computers to be
lead? Right, everybody sends the matrix

1230
02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:11.239
has taught every nerd, every uh
you know, hacker Man has talked about

1231
02:06:11.239 --> 02:06:14.520
this theory. And then we get, of course Elon making it more popular

1232
02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:17.319
by talking about it a few years
ago. What if we're in a matrix.

1233
02:06:17.520 --> 02:06:21.079
You couldn't have had any of that, in my view without Alice in

1234
02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:27.920
Wonderland, because not only does Alice
in Wonderland influence the matrix and the right

1235
02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:33.680
white Rabbit and all that. And
by the way, remember Neo actually goes

1236
02:06:33.680 --> 02:06:38.840
to the mirror. Remember that.
I just remember that Neo doesn't just follow

1237
02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:42.800
the white rabbit when he takes the
pill. He goes in the mirror,

1238
02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:46.960
another through the looking glass reference.
And I just now remember, I mean

1239
02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:49.960
spend a long time so much the
matrix, but they referenced Alex in Wonderland

1240
02:06:49.960 --> 02:06:56.359
a lot in the matrix if you
remember, which is again you know,

1241
02:06:56.439 --> 02:07:01.199
the matrix is totally one percent of
a gnostic neoplatonic thing. But the other

1242
02:07:01.239 --> 02:07:04.720
element that I'm getting at here,
which is the unique contribution I think of

1243
02:07:06.439 --> 02:07:15.760
perhaps Lewis in this notion, is
the determinist mathematics element, because as this

1244
02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:26.359
mathematician, he's clearly conflicted and concerned
with predetermination and mathematical determination. If we

1245
02:07:26.399 --> 02:07:30.079
live in a giant math matrix,
then every action is determined. So how

1246
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:33.159
do we get out of this?
Well, we got to go past the

1247
02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:36.720
ice wall. I'm just joking.
Does a joke how do we get out

1248
02:07:36.760 --> 02:07:42.159
of this? Oh, we got
to fly up to the to the ice

1249
02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:46.840
ice, to the snowball dome that
covers Earth and bust through. I'm joking,

1250
02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:49.399
right, We're get we get full
Eddie Bravo up in here. I'm

1251
02:07:49.399 --> 02:07:54.600
just joking. How do we get
out of it? Well, presumably there's

1252
02:07:54.640 --> 02:08:01.039
some sort of process by which one
awakens, right, sleeper must awaken.

1253
02:08:01.199 --> 02:08:05.359
So are we in a computer simulation? Are we in a dream state?

1254
02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:11.760
Or is it a surrealist thing?
So? Is it anticipating surrealism? Probably

1255
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:16.479
because if the story, as you
know, we're not. I'm not going

1256
02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:18.920
to the end because this is a
part one. If you want the full

1257
02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:20.479
analysis, we get a lot more
to go through. I'm gonna do the

1258
02:08:20.479 --> 02:08:24.840
pattern recognition stuff, the examples of
the schizo stuff, the dialectic stuff,

1259
02:08:26.079 --> 02:08:33.279
and the second half of the story
in the part two. So we've talked

1260
02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:37.119
about the fixation on the either or
she enters the mirror world, there's these

1261
02:08:37.119 --> 02:08:43.359
shamanic elements. Is very much like
the matrix. The matrix plays on this

1262
02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:52.800
heavily. The monster, the bander
Snatch or excuse me, Bandersnatch is jabberwockie,

1263
02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:58.039
right, this is This part was
kind of confusing, by the way,

1264
02:08:58.039 --> 02:09:01.439
this is actually a complex novel if
you don't have the illustrated version.

1265
02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:11.840
For example, if you're reading the
chapter about hi haa haya and hata,

1266
02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:18.600
it's a play on the way the
British say hair and hatter ha ha ha,

1267
02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:22.840
So it's a play on how the
British say it. And if you

1268
02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:28.359
don't have the visuals of the excellent
illustrations of the Tierney guy, you don't

1269
02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:31.560
know that that's just the mad Hatter
and the hair who make a reappearance in

1270
02:09:31.640 --> 02:09:41.359
the story. A lot of things
in this mirror land also are backwards,

1271
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:48.279
and and everything's caddy wamp us,
right, so you walk forward in some

1272
02:09:48.439 --> 02:09:58.439
places to go backwards in some places. When she talks to the red Red

1273
02:09:58.520 --> 02:10:01.760
Queen, yeah, she talks to
the Red quet the White Queen, one

1274
02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:07.560
of the queens, and she says
she talks about her future memories, and

1275
02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:11.039
so they have this exchange about Alice
says, well, you can only remember

1276
02:10:11.079 --> 02:10:13.920
things in the past, and the
queen makes fun of her and says,

1277
02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:18.039
well, that's very limiting. So
you don't even remember all the future events

1278
02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:24.359
that haven't happened yet. So she's
moving in reverse to go forward. We'll

1279
02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:31.119
talk about the flowers being alive.
We'll talk about cause and effect operating in

1280
02:10:31.119 --> 02:10:35.520
a different way, so a lot
of contradictions on purpose. We'll talk about

1281
02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:41.960
the meaning of the blended animals in
the part two, and then we're going

1282
02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:46.680
to get deep into the metaphysics,
as they said, because you have the

1283
02:10:46.720 --> 02:10:50.960
famous story of the tortoise and the
hair, which plays an important role in

1284
02:10:52.000 --> 02:10:58.479
the Douglas Hofstatter book, Gurdell ascher
Bach and actually many mathematicians have fixated on

1285
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:05.840
the story Tortoise in the hair because
it's a kind of a excuse me out

1286
02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.840
the tortise in there, what the
tortoise said to Achilles. It ends up

1287
02:11:09.840 --> 02:11:15.920
being this kind of mathematical puzzle that
we're going to talk about. So this

1288
02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:22.000
is a work of definitely high IQ
spurgratism to the max. There's a lot

1289
02:11:22.039 --> 02:11:26.159
going on. There is definitely a
cult esoteric element. Other books too,

1290
02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:28.319
I forgot to mention Flatland by Edwin
Abbott will talk about some of that in

1291
02:11:28.319 --> 02:11:33.439
the part too. Yeah, they're
on a chessboard and that's why all the

1292
02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:39.880
squares are laid out in this certain
way which I think is part of the

1293
02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:45.960
mathematical determinism in the game theory.
Right, So he's looking at a chessboard

1294
02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:48.720
in a mathematical way, Lewis Carrolem
say, and for him, he's reading

1295
02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:54.239
that as a kind of determinism.
So let's see, we got to save

1296
02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:56.640
a chat from If you want to
support the show, by the way,

1297
02:11:56.680 --> 02:12:00.720
you can do it right now.
Actually, I got one thing I gotta

1298
02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:03.600
tell you before we move to the
super chats. This is really important.

1299
02:12:05.680 --> 02:12:11.000
Our Ai vivek Ramaswami has something he
wants to tell you. I'm gonna put

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Mode contains the kick of a cup
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proud of. I got a browser
here. This is Jay Dyers, much

1303
02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:48.960
vaunted, much sought after philosophy one
oh one. Now he just got this

1304
02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:50.439
page up. We are just testing
it out. You guys are some of

1305
02:13:50.479 --> 02:13:54.119
the first people in the world to
see it. I want to say,

1306
02:13:54.199 --> 02:13:56.960
for my part, it's not philosophy. I want oh one. I think

1307
02:13:56.000 --> 02:14:01.520
this is a miss mistitling. I
really think is as like philosophy unleashed because

1308
02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:05.039
a philosophy want a one course,
they give you kind of some useless information

1309
02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:09.119
that you can't make sense of.
Jay actually lays out, over twelve weeks,

1310
02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:13.159
dozens and dozens of hours put into
just the presentation of this, let

1311
02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:16.359
alone the hundreds and thousands of hours
of research that it takes to have a

1312
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:22.640
coherent evolution and history of the origins
of philosophy, the uses of philosophy,

1313
02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:26.279
the different ways to look at it
over time, and how that has been

1314
02:14:26.319 --> 02:14:31.640
brought about to what we have today, which is almost an absence of philosophy

1315
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:37.439
on the objective, logic and reason
side, in an overabundance of woke philosophy

1316
02:14:37.880 --> 02:14:39.880
that is irrational and is made up
day by day as people are like,

1317
02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:43.520
I think we should bring racism back, and then here's a justification, and

1318
02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:46.880
then it gets wokeified and spread out, and then all of a sudden you

1319
02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:52.119
have a bunch of communist socialist ideas
where you become the property in action.

1320
02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:54.119
You need to be able to stand
on your own ground. It helps to

1321
02:14:54.199 --> 02:15:00.199
have a foundation in philosophy because it's
a method define truth when you get down

1322
02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:03.000
to what philosophy is there, because
you love truth enough to go and learn

1323
02:15:03.039 --> 02:15:07.239
how to find it because it's valuable. So if you're interested in things like

1324
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:11.560
that, there is the landing page. We'll link it up in the notes.

1325
02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:15.439
It is a longer once, so
we'll get a shorter URL for this.

1326
02:15:15.479 --> 02:15:16.760
I'm sure Jay has a link on
his page. I just wanted to

1327
02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:18.840
show it off. Now you know
what exists, you can go look for

1328
02:15:18.920 --> 02:15:24.560
it and see why this is not
your father's philosophy. Right, So well

1329
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:28.199
done. I'm proud of everyone who
helped to produce and edit the course,

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02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:33.600
and of course Jay did a flawless
job in presenting the course over those twelve

1331
02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:37.560
weeks. And he's a juggernaut.
He's another guy just like John Bush.

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mute. There's like five mutes.
So let's go to super chats. If

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02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:58.280
you do want my breakdown from five
years ago of the first one, I

1360
02:17:58.319 --> 02:18:00.920
will put that in the chat for
you out. Try to remember to link

1361
02:18:00.959 --> 02:18:05.239
it there. It is right here, so you can go watch that if

1362
02:18:05.239 --> 02:18:11.120
you want to be refreshed on Alice
in Wonderland. And this is a five

1363
02:18:11.200 --> 02:18:16.920
year later, a part two,
So it took us long enough, So

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there's that watch that you go.
Do that on your own time. Do

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it on your own time, all
right, Super Jats, Jack five dollars

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02:18:24.680 --> 02:18:28.559
forgive you. We forgive you for
being late. We know you was busy

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02:18:28.639 --> 02:18:35.879
making up a mega planet. I
like that he gave us the option of

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being included in the discussion of whether
he should make a mega planet. Like

1369
02:18:39.520 --> 02:18:41.440
he didn't just go ahead and make
it, you know what I mean,

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02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:46.159
Like he could have just done it, but no, he chose to include

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us in the discussions of the making
of a mega planet. So if you

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guys don't know what I'm talking about, we had a ruckus time in last

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night's live stream right here internal monologue
Sam Hyde TikTok cults, star seeds and

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02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:07.079
theory ons And if you don't know
what theoryons are, you can educate,

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educate yourself. Educate yourself by last
night's stream. But I did specifically clip

1376
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out the funniest part where I had
not seen this clip, and it was

1377
02:19:18.879 --> 02:19:24.200
one of the funniest clips I'd seen
in a long time. And this dude,

1378
02:19:24.479 --> 02:19:28.719
uh, he might even top organic
like us, He might even be

1379
02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.079
better. But you can watch that
clip right there to see what I thought

1380
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was so funny. Not saying Theoxy
advocate two dollars. Do you speak of

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Heidiger's design, I have not spoken
much of that. I've I had one

1382
02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:43.799
class on Hidiger. I don't know
a whole lot about Hidigger, so something

1383
02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:48.559
I need to probably dive into.
I've read a couple secondary sources on Hidiger,

1384
02:19:48.879 --> 02:19:54.399
but I haven't doved it into.
I haven't diven dove, dived,

1385
02:19:56.399 --> 02:20:03.959
dived divin, I haven't gotten into
the depths of Heidiger. What do you

1386
02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:09.280
think about phenomenology? I had two
classes on phenomenology. I did get pretty

1387
02:20:09.319 --> 02:20:15.719
deep into Hostserle. There's some interesting
things there. Is it compatible with orthodoxy?

1388
02:20:15.959 --> 02:20:20.520
I view it as that I don't
see death as necessary. Well,

1389
02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:24.239
I'm not sure what you mean,
because even though it's not necessary, it's

1390
02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:30.639
still a reality. So there's different
types of necessity, right, So there's

1391
02:20:30.760 --> 02:20:37.680
necessity and then like Leibniz speaks of
necessity x hypotheside, which is a necessity.

1392
02:20:37.719 --> 02:20:43.399
That's a different type of necessity.
So Kristen five dollars. All this

1393
02:20:43.559 --> 02:20:50.360
gay Matria talk has me requesting that
you seeing seven by Prince interesting. I

1394
02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:56.239
am open to that. But we
got to see if there is a karaoke

1395
02:20:56.440 --> 02:21:05.920
version, and I'll have to probably
all seven then will watch them fall standing

1396
02:21:05.959 --> 02:21:11.360
away of loving We will smoke them
all with an intellect and the Savoy fair,

1397
02:21:13.040 --> 02:21:18.719
the one in the whole universe will
never compare. I am yours now

1398
02:21:18.120 --> 02:21:24.879
you are mining to get with love
through space and time, So don't cry.

1399
02:21:26.399 --> 02:21:33.120
One day all seven we'll die.
How's that? I don't even need

1400
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:39.319
the backups. I don't even need
them coroque machines. So there is a

1401
02:21:39.440 --> 02:21:43.360
karaoke version, but I'm afraid if
I play it, see the thing.

1402
02:21:43.399 --> 02:21:50.879
What the karaoke versions is? You
never know if it's gonna ding the thing

1403
02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:56.479
or not. For whatever reason,
Mac Morrison, Return of the Mac whatever

1404
02:21:56.520 --> 02:22:00.719
is Mark Moore what his name is? That doesn't ding the thing? So

1405
02:22:01.680 --> 02:22:03.879
for whatever reason, you can play
it forever. But a lot of these

1406
02:22:05.079 --> 02:22:11.600
karroke versions will y'all need to go
learn about the theory onsy, you can

1407
02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:15.799
become a birdman. Even though you
can't fly, you can become a birdman.

1408
02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:22.719
So but Kristen, if by chance
the karrokee doesn't ding the thing,

1409
02:22:22.799 --> 02:22:28.040
I'll do it on the regular because, by the way, do not get

1410
02:22:28.040 --> 02:22:33.799
your eschatology from Prince. Okay,
So even though I like Prince, we

1411
02:22:33.840 --> 02:22:39.799
don't want to get any of our
eschatological views from the crazy nonsense of Prince's

1412
02:22:39.799 --> 02:22:43.600
seven. That's that's some heterodox madness
right there arena twenty five dollars. Thank

1413
02:22:43.639 --> 02:22:46.319
you so much. That's a nice
fat super chat. Appreciate that very much,

1414
02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:52.559
romy five dollars. How do you
know music is being used in mk

1415
02:22:52.879 --> 02:22:56.920
ultra. How do I know music's
being used? Well, I don't know

1416
02:22:56.959 --> 02:23:01.559
that. I claimed music is being
used in him Kiltra, but I do

1417
02:23:01.600 --> 02:23:07.600
think we've talked about it before.
I mean mcaultra is a vast number of

1418
02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:16.159
studies, projects, fronts, experiments
done at universities, psychiatric institutions, prisons,

1419
02:23:16.520 --> 02:23:24.200
military institutions. I mean it's vast
and they studied all kinds of stuff.

1420
02:23:24.120 --> 02:23:30.920
So they were interested, for example, in studying LSD that kind of

1421
02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:39.360
stuff. Anentheagen's Gordon Wasson and his
Russian wife. They were interested in sleep

1422
02:23:39.360 --> 02:23:48.159
studies with the Harry, the psycho
serial killer guy from Australia that we talked

1423
02:23:48.159 --> 02:23:52.479
about. Harry what's his face that
did all the sleep research at the mk

1424
02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:56.079
Ultra facility in Australia, which a
big sleep institute, and he ended up

1425
02:23:56.159 --> 02:24:00.319
killing a bunch of people because he
was doing sleep experiments, putting able to

1426
02:24:00.559 --> 02:24:03.520
uh right at the edge of death
and then bringing them back, which if

1427
02:24:03.559 --> 02:24:09.399
you watch that Netflix show what's it
called The AO or whatever with that Britton

1428
02:24:09.399 --> 02:24:15.959
Marling chick who's like in every weird
like for a while there, every weird

1429
02:24:16.040 --> 02:24:20.639
sci fi movie had her in it, remember that the No the OA excuse

1430
02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:26.920
me? And this would have been
such a good show. It was like

1431
02:24:26.000 --> 02:24:33.440
on the verge of being a great
show. If they had not ended the

1432
02:24:33.479 --> 02:24:37.440
season one with that stupid ass dance. I mean, this would have been

1433
02:24:37.479 --> 02:24:41.600
one of the best TV shows of
all time. Seriously, if they had

1434
02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:48.280
not done that stupid ass dance makes
me so mad. What happened to the

1435
02:24:48.280 --> 02:24:50.280
camera? Can y'all see me?
Or did it cut out? What's going

1436
02:24:50.319 --> 02:25:03.959
on? It says, excellent connection? Did it cut out? Can y'all

1437
02:25:03.959 --> 02:25:07.360
see me? I can't tell it
because the okay now it says it's back.

1438
02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:18.120
Yeah, this was such a good
show. And uh anyway, basically

1439
02:25:18.120 --> 02:25:20.799
every movie she's in there's like another
dimension with her in it. It's like

1440
02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:26.360
she's in like seven movies with some
weird metaphysical shit going crazy. She should

1441
02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:31.200
She's basically like the sci fi version
of Alice in Wonderland. It's like whatever

1442
02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:37.120
movie she's in is that's what's happening. You know what I mean. Yeah,

1443
02:25:37.479 --> 02:25:41.920
so and then what she goes into
other dimensions. I mean, it's

1444
02:25:41.959 --> 02:25:45.319
just crazy, she goes into older
diment. I actually thought it was a

1445
02:25:45.319 --> 02:25:52.799
great show until that stupid dance scene
to prevent the shooting event. I thought,

1446
02:25:52.799 --> 02:25:56.840
I thought that was so stupid.
And imagine me being really invested in

1447
02:25:56.879 --> 02:26:01.319
the show. It wasn't that long, eight episodes maybe for the first season,

1448
02:26:03.399 --> 02:26:05.799
and I mean it was great,
Like she gets kidnapped by this mk

1449
02:26:05.959 --> 02:26:11.399
uldra doctor and he's got her in
this facility and are they going to get

1450
02:26:11.399 --> 02:26:13.319
out? And they're putting people to
the point of death and bringing them back.

1451
02:26:13.360 --> 02:26:26.000
It's probably been influenced by that uh
serial killer in Australia. I cannot

1452
02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:35.840
remember his name, but we've covered
him multiple times now. He's actually a

1453
02:26:35.879 --> 02:26:43.159
serial killer because he killed a bunch
of these people with us. Harry it's

1454
02:26:43.200 --> 02:26:56.079
not Harry Ball, Harry Bailey,
that's him. Yeah, this is him.

1455
02:26:56.159 --> 02:27:03.440
A bunch of people died twenty committed
suicide and then he also unalived as

1456
02:27:03.479 --> 02:27:09.040
well when he got discovered. So
basically, this dude is like the uh.

1457
02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:13.559
I forget that British actor's name,
but he's the bad guy and this

1458
02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:20.079
guy right here in the OA,
remember in the first season, So I'm

1459
02:27:20.079 --> 02:27:26.120
trying to I cannot remember this dude's
name. He's like an evil looking version

1460
02:27:26.159 --> 02:27:37.200
of Timothy Dalton. Anyway, I
don't know. We're way off course.

1461
02:27:37.239 --> 02:27:46.280
I'm rambling now. Let's see next
up Snagglebe's five dollars. Why is a

1462
02:27:46.360 --> 02:27:52.719
raven like a writing desk? Well, it's the wordplay, right, because

1463
02:27:52.399 --> 02:27:58.680
both begin phonetically with rah, even
though they're totally different letters. Thank you

1464
02:27:58.719 --> 02:28:03.000
for edumacating us actly, storm the
cat five dollars? Do you think Merlin

1465
02:28:03.040 --> 02:28:09.799
would be a spy in Mare Times? H if you read the Third Space

1466
02:28:09.840 --> 02:28:15.040
trilogy? But by C. S. Lewis Uh. They bring Merlin back

1467
02:28:15.200 --> 02:28:18.680
and he's like that part's funny,
dude, because he's like if you remember

1468
02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:26.239
when they bring him back and England
is run by the Tavistock Technocrat Institute,

1469
02:28:26.319 --> 02:28:28.959
right, and he's like these people
are evil, people are ruling us.

1470
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:33.360
And Merlin's like, call the Emperor
Byzantium to come help us, and he's

1471
02:28:33.440 --> 02:28:37.520
like they're like, bro, there's
no Emperor Byzantium. And then he's like,

1472
02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:41.719
then call the King of England.
They're like he ain't gonna help,

1473
02:28:41.799 --> 02:28:46.440
dude, trust me storm the cat
five dollars do a cultus in real life

1474
02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:52.479
use magic wands? Yeah, it's
the it's a representation of the fallus.

1475
02:28:52.120 --> 02:28:58.120
So what is their purpose? Well, the idea is that as a representation

1476
02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:05.879
of my foul us, the magic
wand uh is a thing to channel and

1477
02:29:05.920 --> 02:29:13.239
direct energy. So just just watch
Harry Potter, bro watch, go watch

1478
02:29:13.239 --> 02:29:18.959
Harry, because he's over there with
his uh basically slinging his dingling everywhere is

1479
02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:22.760
what it is. Then you start
saying, well, how does Hermione have

1480
02:29:22.799 --> 02:29:26.760
a have a dingaling? Exactly exactly? I'm not sure why do women?

1481
02:29:28.239 --> 02:29:31.239
If the wand is a phallus,
then what's Harmione doing over there with a

1482
02:29:31.319 --> 02:29:37.719
dangling anyway? Ortho ka tech five
dollars. A Eurocentric world is talked about

1483
02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:41.440
by John Ruskin and Cecil Roads.
Seems like the mainstream history. Even Oswald

1484
02:29:41.479 --> 02:29:46.520
Spangler talks about this correct exactly he
does. History doesn't begin in Europe,

1485
02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:52.559
yes, agreed. Making the Usa
is a is a continuous outworking of Rome

1486
02:29:52.879 --> 02:29:58.639
in Greek history. Yeah, that's
a good point. Each country has its

1487
02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:03.799
own history. For the experimental Enlightenment
nation of America, which is intended to

1488
02:30:03.840 --> 02:30:13.399
be that Rosa Crucian Francis Bacon,
New Atlantis exactly. So we came full

1489
02:30:13.440 --> 02:30:18.319
circle there. Oh, by the
way, I got another little side treat

1490
02:30:18.799 --> 02:30:24.639
for y'all that will be coming up
soon to do analysis of. And that

1491
02:30:24.879 --> 02:30:39.639
is so I stumbled upon this book
that I did not know was a John

1492
02:30:39.680 --> 02:30:43.120
Lecarrey novel. So I found this
book at the bookstore and I was like,

1493
02:30:43.200 --> 02:30:50.200
this looks good, and I didn't
realize that they'd already made this into

1494
02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:56.559
a show. And perhaps some of
you over the past five or six years

1495
02:30:56.399 --> 02:31:01.000
had mentioned this to me and I
forgot. I don't know, this was

1496
02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:05.000
pretty wild. So have you guys
watched Little Drummer Girl. It's only one

1497
02:31:05.079 --> 02:31:13.000
season and it's got freaking scars Guard
and by the way, he has scars

1498
02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:18.360
on his back, so he's literally
scars guard in this show Florence Pugh and

1499
02:31:18.399 --> 02:31:28.319
Michael Shannon, and it's all about
this massade hit team operation that John Lecaray

1500
02:31:28.360 --> 02:31:35.120
wrote about. It's fiction fiction in
nineteen eighty two. And of course,

1501
02:31:35.440 --> 02:31:39.479
as you guys know, lacar A
was actual five and I six British intelligence

1502
02:31:39.520 --> 02:31:48.959
operative. So the lacare stories are
actually real world ish spy stories, far

1503
02:31:50.000 --> 02:31:54.760
more realistic than Bond stories. Right, even though Ian Fleming yes puts some

1504
02:31:54.879 --> 02:31:58.840
truth in all the Bond stories.
What lacar A wanted to do was be

1505
02:32:00.040 --> 02:32:03.639
the anti Bond, right, so
he wanted to make his spy stories be

1506
02:32:03.639 --> 02:32:11.639
super realistic. And man, oh
man, I was not expecting what all

1507
02:32:11.719 --> 02:32:16.120
was in this. Now. They
only made one season, which I assume

1508
02:32:16.360 --> 02:32:18.840
tells the story of the novel,
so I don't know what. Maybe they

1509
02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:22.479
thought there would be multiple seasons if
it was a big hit. I never

1510
02:32:22.520 --> 02:32:26.879
even heard of this, which is
odd because I follow a lot of spy

1511
02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:33.680
story fiction. But those of you
in this audience who enjoy this type of

1512
02:32:33.719 --> 02:32:37.760
material, you gotta watch this one
because John Leacaara tells us a lot in

1513
02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:43.360
this And by the way, who
I don't even know of any other spy

1514
02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:48.520
stories about massade teams. That's very
rare. Now there have been more of

1515
02:32:48.559 --> 02:32:58.639
these massade team movies of recent time. So what's what's the check from National

1516
02:32:58.639 --> 02:33:03.840
Treasure? Who's Nicholas Cage's wife and
National Church? I just went blank?

1517
02:33:05.559 --> 02:33:13.600
Kruman Diane Krugman, Okay, she's
in a recent movie about Masad. Helen

1518
02:33:13.680 --> 02:33:24.440
Mirren was in a recent movie about
Massad, and then uh Gal Gadot is

1519
02:33:24.440 --> 02:33:28.040
in a movie about Massad, which
that makes perfect sense because I mean she

1520
02:33:28.159 --> 02:33:33.360
was in IDF. Yes, obviously
Munich. Now what's interesting is that Lacare's

1521
02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:41.040
Little Drummer Girl takes place a few
years after Munich, and this is a

1522
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:50.120
Masad team that wants revenge for the
Munich event. So Michael Shannon plays the

1523
02:33:50.200 --> 02:34:03.639
Masad team handler Scarsguard is the raven, the recruit Florence Pugh, who's an

1524
02:34:03.680 --> 02:34:11.319
actress. So how did I And
by the way, the point of the

1525
02:34:11.360 --> 02:34:18.000
novel is terror is theater and how
did I not hear about this? I'm

1526
02:34:18.040 --> 02:34:22.239
like, how did I not know
about this presentation? Anyway, so we're

1527
02:34:22.239 --> 02:34:26.239
gonna do coverage of this. I
took I think three pages of notes.

1528
02:34:26.520 --> 02:34:28.959
I watched the entire series. It's
not actually that long. It's more like

1529
02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:33.120
a mini series. It's not a
TV show. It's like five or six

1530
02:34:33.200 --> 02:34:37.639
episodes or something. Anyway, Wow, this was like very revelatory, and

1531
02:34:39.280 --> 02:34:45.920
the President that this version of it
is excellent. It's an AMC did it.

1532
02:34:46.040 --> 02:34:50.879
So I think what I need to
do is maybe we should, Maybe

1533
02:34:50.879 --> 02:34:54.440
we should just do an episode on
Masad spy shows or something, because we

1534
02:34:54.479 --> 02:35:00.559
haven't done that, and I don't
know if I guess there's enough in this

1535
02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:03.079
one to do a whole podcast on
this if you wanted to, because it

1536
02:35:03.079 --> 02:35:07.319
gets pretty deep into the Israel Gaza
conflict. In fact, at one point,

1537
02:35:07.680 --> 02:35:13.719
Scarsguard's character even says the British Mandate
caused all of this. That's exactly

1538
02:35:13.799 --> 02:35:20.000
what I said on my quickly analysis. And let's see, what's that gal

1539
02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:33.280
Gado spy movie. I can't remember
the name of it. I think it's

1540
02:35:33.319 --> 02:35:37.920
this one Heart of Stone. I
think this is it. Yeah, I'm

1541
02:35:37.920 --> 02:35:41.600
pretty sure that's it. By the
way, she looks so much like Jamie,

1542
02:35:41.639 --> 02:35:46.639
It's crazy, Jamie. Are you
a Massad agent? Are you a

1543
02:35:46.799 --> 02:35:52.520
SAD agent? You look like Galgado? Uh? I assume this is a

1544
02:35:52.520 --> 02:35:56.559
massade story. I don't even know
what this is about. She plays Rachel

1545
02:35:56.639 --> 02:36:01.840
Stone, the only intelligence operative who
stands between I mean, her global peacekeeping

1546
02:36:01.920 --> 02:36:09.760
organization and the loss of everything valuable
the asset code named Heart. Okay,

1547
02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:11.840
I don't know. That might just
be a generic spy story. Anyway.

1548
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:26.879
Let's see, so the reason this
is Another reason the original point of what

1549
02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:31.840
I'm talking about here is fascinating is
that this deals with the history of the

1550
02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:41.200
PLO, and we have not actually
delved much into the PLO and their history

1551
02:36:41.239 --> 02:36:48.799
and all of this. And I'm
assuming that is the predecessor to what's going

1552
02:36:48.840 --> 02:36:56.239
on pre Hamas. Right, so
before we had Hamas created in the seventies,

1553
02:36:56.280 --> 02:37:05.040
I think by Israel, by the
way we had the PLO and the

1554
02:37:05.079 --> 02:37:07.680
way they presented PLO. And this
is pretty wild. I mean, this

1555
02:37:07.760 --> 02:37:11.200
is this. This is an excellent
series, is what I'm trying to say.

1556
02:37:13.120 --> 02:37:16.319
But I wanted to remember exactly when
he wrote this novel, because I

1557
02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:18.920
thought this was a more recent novel. No it turns out he wrote this

1558
02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:30.399
in nineteen freaking eighty three. And
by the way, I mean, you

1559
02:37:30.440 --> 02:37:37.000
could, like you could just read
these lacar A novels and pretty much figure

1560
02:37:37.040 --> 02:37:41.239
out how the world really works.
That's what's blowing me away. And by

1561
02:37:41.239 --> 02:37:45.760
the way, he's not I'm not
saying laca A is like a bays trad

1562
02:37:45.840 --> 02:37:50.319
dude. He's not. In many
ways. He's a contradictory figure. And

1563
02:37:50.639 --> 02:37:54.719
probably many people from the espionage world
are going to be contradictory figures. But

1564
02:37:56.920 --> 02:38:01.840
why is he a contradictory figure,
Well, because he he has this bizarre

1565
02:38:05.639 --> 02:38:07.840
and maybe it's because he's like,
is he a boomer like a little he's

1566
02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:11.680
like an older boomer, right,
He's more like a he's like the edge

1567
02:38:11.680 --> 02:38:16.760
of boomer and greatest generation. So
maybe it's because lacar A has this,

1568
02:38:16.959 --> 02:38:24.479
uh fixation on democracy. Right.
So it's like he's got this fixation on

1569
02:38:24.520 --> 02:38:28.559
democracy which clouds his vision on a
lot of areas, and then he turns

1570
02:38:28.559 --> 02:38:33.639
around and gets a whole bunch of
other things. Correct. H. So

1571
02:38:33.879 --> 02:38:37.639
you know when we watch a lot
of these movies that are based on Lacary's

1572
02:38:37.639 --> 02:38:43.239
stories, they're very revelatory. The
Orson Wells one, right, The Spy

1573
02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:50.719
Who Came In from the Cold very
revelatory about Cold War dialectics. The last

1574
02:38:50.879 --> 02:38:58.840
Philip Seymour Hoffman movie with Rachel McAdams, what's it called A Something Man?

1575
02:39:00.440 --> 02:39:26.239
I just gonent blank, also very
relatory. I just I'm trying to remember

1576
02:39:26.239 --> 02:39:31.840
that freaking I never remember that,
which means it's not a very well named

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movie if I can never remember the
name of that spy movie Most Wanted Man.

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That is also a Lacari story.
I know, my umber la la

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la. Yeah. So remember if
you want movies that actually reveal how the

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world really works from the spy domain, I mean, yes, kind of

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James Bond, but those are kind
of silly too, but this one is

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real, okay. And also it
turns out Little Drummer Girl, which somehow

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I totally missed. But that makes
me think that pretty much all of Lacari's

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stories are going to be relatory anyway, So we should do like a Masad

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edition where we take some of these
Masad stories, because there's not actually a

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02:40:33.159 --> 02:40:39.040
whole lot of these. But let's
see fool's hope a dollar. How do

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you react to the claim of Marxist
that conscious man is finite in a material

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02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:50.840
phenomenological product of the senses. Well, I mean, I think we have

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plenty of materialist critiques on this channel, so you could search and try to

1590
02:40:56.559 --> 02:41:01.360
find some of those, but I
mean, it's a self refuting thing that

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you'd be the determinist fallacy of the
naturalist fallacy that if a man is merely

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02:41:05.879 --> 02:41:11.959
a determined emergent property of matter,
which, by the way, emergent emergentism

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02:41:13.040 --> 02:41:16.319
is actually intended to refute materialism,
which is ironic because people like Matt Dila

1594
02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:20.319
Honey. This is something the FDA
pointed out. People like Matt Delahunty don't

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02:41:20.319 --> 02:41:26.120
even know that emergentism is a reputation
of materialism in physicalism, and he tries

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02:41:26.159 --> 02:41:31.159
to use emergentism as his position about
consciousness, which is dumb. But I

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02:41:31.200 --> 02:41:37.239
mean it's self refuting. If matter
is a purely determined phenomena of causal chain,

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as we saw with the novel,
then you could never know it because

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you're not knowing or learning any truth
or any true things. You're actually just

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02:41:46.360 --> 02:41:50.639
discovering. What you think is a
discovery is just a determined chemical process.

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So there is no true or false. There's just what is Adriel a five

1602
02:41:56.000 --> 02:41:58.040
dollars I was debating with my friend. He says that time is infinite.

1603
02:42:00.000 --> 02:42:01.280
Well, I don't know, how
do you know that or how would you

1604
02:42:01.399 --> 02:42:05.120
prove or demonstrate that time is infinite? So first of all, ask him

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02:42:05.159 --> 02:42:09.680
how he knows that, and how
he proves that all material possibilities have already

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02:42:09.719 --> 02:42:15.799
happened and will continue to happen forever. Okay, these are giant metaphysical leaps.

1607
02:42:15.920 --> 02:42:20.719
Okay, So he's making all these
vast metaphysical claims. So the first

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02:42:20.719 --> 02:42:24.040
thing you want to do in critiquing
this person is to say, whoa whoa

1609
02:42:24.159 --> 02:42:26.959
dude? First of all, how
do you know that? What does that

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02:42:26.040 --> 02:42:31.680
even mean? How do you demonstrate
that these are giant leaps? He says,

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02:42:31.879 --> 02:42:37.600
energy takes the path of least resistance, So all seemingly transcendent laws of

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02:42:37.639 --> 02:42:43.159
the universe or energy paths taking these
Again, this is all you're letting him

1613
02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:46.200
have too much, Like he doesn't
know any of that. He needs to

1614
02:42:46.399 --> 02:42:52.360
justify these claims. These are just
assertions, like grand metaphysical assertions. So

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02:42:52.399 --> 02:42:56.360
call him back to the basics of
how do you know any of these claims?

1616
02:42:56.440 --> 02:43:00.000
How do you know anything at all? First explain to me how you

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02:43:00.079 --> 02:43:03.879
can have knowledge at all. Then
we can talk about your magical fairy stories

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02:43:03.920 --> 02:43:11.760
of scientism metaphysics here that you have
anyway, Thank you guys. Be sure

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02:43:11.760 --> 02:43:16.000
also at support FDA if you are
so inclined. If you're a coffee drinker,

1620
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and there is the Lore Coffee link
in the show description, that's an

1621
02:43:20.280 --> 02:43:24.920
awesome orthodox company that puts out really
good coffee, high quality coffee, and

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02:43:24.959 --> 02:43:28.840
you can get that coffee there at
the link in the show description for lore

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coffee. Otherwise, everybody, have
a great night.