1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:46,079 The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 2 00:00:46,759 --> 00:01:23,599 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 3 00:01:41,439 --> 00:02:20,840 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 4 00:02:23,479 --> 00:03:15,360 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 5 00:03:22,319 --> 00:04:24,120 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 6 00:04:26,279 --> 00:05:30,879 the the the the the the do what's up? Welcome everybody. If you're 7 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,399 wondering why do I have a Weezer shirt on? Is it because I'm some 8 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:43,800 massive nineties gen X man? No? Is it because I'm a super dipper 9 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:48,800 Weezer fan. Weezer was my first concert I ever attended, and so found 10 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,240 this T shirt and I thought it would be funny to wear for the theme 11 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:58,600 of our coming gen X stream. Jamie and I are going to be doing 12 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 our next stream together. It's been a little bit, it's been a minute, 13 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:08,639 but our next dream is gen X altcom films. And you can guess 14 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:15,879 what I mean by altcom films. That's before sun rise, sunset, Richard 15 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:24,680 Link later reality bites. Uh, there's a mad love. There's a whole 16 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:30,519 spate of these, and they excellently capture. You could say the gen X 17 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,079 mindset. Why does that matter? While we're gonna be ruled by our new 18 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:45,480 overlords, the boomer overlord, dumb is It's time is ticking. We will 19 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,199 only be ruled by the boomer overlords. And I don't mean to be Macabaret, 20 00:06:49,800 --> 00:07:00,639 I don't mean to be dark. I'm being real factual. If we're 21 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:05,120 not going to be ruled over by the boomer is much longer, we'll be 22 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:13,639 ruled by the gen xers. Thus we must know the mindset of our future 23 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:20,480 overlords. How do they think? What are their cultural symbols, what are 24 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:26,759 their archetypes, what's their language? What's the spirit of gen X. We're 25 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,639 going to get to that now. We did a couple streams leading up to 26 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:36,720 this. We did Boomer to gen X Behold our MTV Generational Overlords. That 27 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:42,360 was a fun stream, a lot of nineties culture going on there. And 28 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,680 then I did another strand that didn't give very many views oddly enough, which 29 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,120 I thought was fun and should have got more views, where I took many 30 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:55,720 of you to them all. We went to Blockbuster together. We discussed events 31 00:07:55,759 --> 00:08:01,879 in the nineties, top ten nineties movies that I thought were fun. That 32 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:09,920 was all anticipation, in anticipation for our upcoming stream of the gen X altcoms. 33 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,959 And I'm not even remembering all the movies at this moment, Mad Love 34 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:24,160 Reality by Ites before Sunrise, but you're gonna notice when Oh, Empire Records, 35 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:37,320 there's another one with Uma Thurman and Beautiful Girls. That's another relevant one 36 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,279 which had some odd themes in it. All of that will be discussed in 37 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:48,799 our coming stream. It's gonna be fun. So I'm wearing a nineties ish 38 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,799 shirt. Now that's pretty much. I mean, Weezer was popular into the 39 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,559 two thousands, but anyway, so that's why I'm wearing a Weezer shirt. 40 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,159 So we're gonna be talking about some fascinating stuff that I haven't talked about in 41 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:09,360 many years tonight because I was looking forward to getting back into this book because, 42 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,799 as you guys know, in twenty when did we do this old video? 43 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:22,320 Almost five years ago? June second, twenty nineteen, which is almost 44 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,960 six years a right, so or five years excuse me. So we're gonna 45 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,519 be playing a little bit of that to brush up on Alice in Wonderland, 46 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,639 and then we're gonna go deeper into Part two Through the Looking Glass and what 47 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:46,279 Alice saw there, the occult even perhaps geopolitical, societal, social revolution, 48 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,519 all of that tonight in this deep dive that I think will surprise many of 49 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,720 you. I think many of you probably don't know what all crazy stuff is 50 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:03,639 going on in this novel. It's pretty fascinating book. I have to admit 51 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:09,080 I'm pretty interested in it. Yes, I'm aware of all of the scandalous 52 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:15,240 things surrounding the figure of Lewis Carroll. We'll mention that here in the second 53 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,519 Probably you've all heard of this, but it was believed that he might have 54 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,519 been a creeper. I don't know that it was ever definitively established, but 55 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:28,480 he did seem to prefer taking a lot of photos of kids, which is 56 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:35,360 odd to say the least, so that definitely puts him in a suspect camp. 57 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:41,080 And beyond that, it turns out there actually were some esoteric interests that 58 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:46,240 he had that few people have discussed. Few have actually gone into this, 59 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,320 and those of us in the conspiracy world actually did talk about it many years 60 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,399 ago. And it turns out a guy wrote a book. Where's this guy's 61 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:05,240 book? Where is this guy's book? Jake Fiore? When did he write 62 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,720 this. Let's see when this was So this was only a couple of years 63 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,320 ago. So a couple of years ago, guy writes a book delving into 64 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,679 what many of us in the conspiracy world already knew about and had discussed. 65 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,840 I don't have this guy's book, but we're going to look at what the 66 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,240 article says about his book, exploring Lewis Carroll's interest in the occult. We're 67 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:33,039 also going to look at Isaac's overview. Our buddy Ozzie Bishop wrote an article 68 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:39,519 many years ago as well. I think in twenty sixteen, so already eight 69 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,960 years ago. For Isaac's article. Even the Guardian discussed this. What a 70 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,840 couple of years ago, Let's see when Yeah, three years ago the Guardian 71 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,559 discussed it as well, So this is becoming a little more well known. 72 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,480 But Scooter, our buddy, Scooter had a genius idea which was to take 73 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,600 the matt a Monkey Song and run it through an a I got a bot 74 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:09,679 guy and the AI got bought guy collaborator who collaborated with us. He spit 75 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:13,200 out this new masterpiece. You gotta hear this, This is this made me 76 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:22,320 laugh until I cried. You bud off in that tree what you doing up 77 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:31,480 there? Why you scared? Why you running from them? Red? Bad? 78 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:43,960 You ran? Mom? Then true and from me man till the poky 79 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:56,039 like Bamail wons with doubleanatas between the trees hanging down upside down. That's fine. 80 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:13,120 A tell a monkey what you doing to me? Till a dell a 81 00:13:13,279 --> 00:14:01,440 monkey till a macky m then till the monkey, what's your dude to me? 82 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,679 Sorry? I was feeling it, ya, I was moved. I 83 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:30,279 was moved by the spirit of my evolutionary impulses. Bro. I was just 84 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,519 sitting there evolving. I'm listening to that song and I'm evolving, and I'm 85 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:46,039 like, damn, up in that tree, what you doing up there? 86 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:54,519 Why are you scared? Why you running? Anyway, you get the idea 87 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:56,399 of everybody in the chest, like, damn, bro, maybe a I 88 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,440 is all right exactly. Yeah, that was too funny not to share. 89 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Nothing to do with today's discussion, but man, that made me laugh so 90 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,559 hard when he sent me that. By the way, you can follow me 91 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,840 over here on X. My ex is growing well. Happy to say we're 92 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,200 almost up there, getting up into close to We're ten thousand away from seventy 93 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,440 five. If you don't follow me on X there's the link. You can 94 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,440 follow me there as well. All right, let's get into this a little 95 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,200 bit about Lewis. As we said, Lewis Carroll, author of both of 96 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:41,200 the books that we're discussing tonight, and this is just a little bit of 97 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,639 an overview which will help us to understand the themes present in his text, 98 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,799 which is a very it's a very complex text, I have to say. 99 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,840 And you don't think of it as that because it's a children's book, right, 100 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,679 So we're like, oh, it's a children's book. You know, 101 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,039 it's just a bunch of nonsense. It's a bunch of nonsensical nonsense in Wonderland 102 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:06,279 hahaha, nursery rhymes, it's goofy, animals are talking. No, I 103 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,840 don't know. It's a lot more going on, to the extent that we're 104 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:18,559 gonna have to like get into the occult stuff. It's crazy. Charles Litwood 105 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:25,440 Dutch Dodgson Lutwidge Dodgson born in eighteen thirty two to eighteen ninety eight, known 106 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,919 as Lewis Carroll, English author, poet, mathematician. Keep that in mind. 107 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:34,759 Mathematics will play an interesting key role in these texts. He's most known 108 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,600 for Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass, as well as his facility 109 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:45,200 with wordplay. Wordplay's gonna be an important element as well as we get into 110 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,919 the madness. As you know, I titled this the metaphysics madness, and 111 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,399 what was the other end I've already forgotten my ms. I don't even know 112 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:03,799 what I titled this. Alice's magic, madness and metaphysics. There are logic 113 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,759 puzzles, so he's gonna deal with logic fantasy and it doesn't say this but 114 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:14,039 metaphysics. He also wrote the poem Jabberwakie and The Hunting of the Snark. 115 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,400 They are classics in the genre what are called what's called nonsense genre nonsense literature. 116 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,079 Carol came from a high Church Anglican family and developed a long standing relationship 117 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,799 with Christ Church, Oxford, where he lived for most of his life as 118 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:36,160 a scholar. Alice Liddell, the daughter of Henry Liddell, was the Dean 119 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,559 of Christ Church, and many identify her as the original inspiration for Alice in 120 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:48,000 Alis in Winterland. Now here's the first fascinating element that apparently has recently come 121 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,799 forward that many did not know, and that is that the Alice Liddell here. 122 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,359 If you know your esoteric history, you might be thinking, hey, 123 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:04,839 wait a minute, Liddell Samuel Liddell Mathers of Golden Dawn Fame. Yes. 124 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:11,200 Turns out, according to Jake Fuor, the author of the recent book about 125 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,000 Carol, Fiora, who wrote on his take on Carol's work, runs a 126 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:19,799 shop called Alice the looking Glass in Lenda's West End, suggests that Carroll's fantastical 127 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:23,960 stories come from a darker place. Fiora explained to the Observer that Carol had 128 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,799 a definite interest in the esoteric, elaborating that he has a catalog of his 129 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,920 possessions, including the books of his library, and in it he has a 130 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,319 lot of books on the supernatural. Exploring Carol's involvement with the occult, Fiora 131 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,200 found a host of interesting connections to the supernatural in Carol's social circles as well. 132 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:47,079 Many believe Carol drew inspiration from Alice from a member of the Liddell family. 133 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Yet another member of the Liddell family, Samuel Liddell Mathers, a relative 134 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,920 of the young girl who inspired Alice, was one of the creators of the 135 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,519 secret society known as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and the Golden Down, 136 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:07,680 of course, produced figures such as Bram Stoker, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 137 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,960 and Alistair Crowley. The Try the twentieth century Golden don was known for 138 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:17,279 practicing metaphysics, ritual magic, pernelal activity, and so forth, and the 139 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:23,559 authors that we mentioned. Beyond digging into the Golden Dawn, Fere also found 140 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:30,680 famous use of the wordplay in a new light. Fuor points out that Carol 141 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:37,640 utilizes acroustics, which come from Hebrew mysticism in the Biblical like how the Biblical 142 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,839 writers in the Old Testament sometimes utilize acrostics. While Carroll himself did not practice 143 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:49,160 magic, his interests and interactions veered towards these puzzling, unexplainable things. Carol 144 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,960 was known to be fascinated in telepathy and even joined the Society for Psychical Research, 145 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:02,279 the SPR which was which included people like Carl Agad Junger, call Young 146 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,599 and Freud. So you're gonna start noticing, Hey, wait a minute, 147 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,200 there might be some overlaps between Jungi and archetype philosophy and the Gnostic elements in 148 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:22,440 young and what we see today in Alice. Yeah, the golding on is 149 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,880 a little weird. What do people what to do with Saint Jay? Oh, 150 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,119 you're talking about because of my hello Hello, Hey? Is that a 151 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,839 Rihanna song? Yo? That's my nod to Rihanna. Rihanna. That's my 152 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:52,559 little nod to Rihanna. Hell Ala ella ella on the Miama. That's my 153 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,119 word play, Yo. That's the word play for the day. Al Ala. 154 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,880 By the way, we will we will be going into interesting elements of 155 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:11,599 wordplay. Idiocy. Oh, Beyonce, Now hold up my Ownbrella Beyonce. 156 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:18,839 Halo' is Beyonce. That's right, Umbrella, I know that's Rihanna. Don't 157 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:26,279 try to check me on, umbrella. I happen to know my Rihanna songs. 158 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:36,279 Excuse me, excuse me. Talk to the lesbian glasses. Talk to 159 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:40,519 the lesbian glasses because I ain't hearing y'all right now, I ain't even hearing 160 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,640 y'all right now. Jay could kill it at karaoke, bro, I have 161 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:48,839 killed it at karaoke. You can ask the people who invited me to their 162 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:56,799 karaoke parties, like my buddy Mark, he said, quote and I quote 163 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:08,519 Jay killed it at karaoke at our party under my anyway, I forgot to 164 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,440 list down these examples that we Jamie and I were talking about these in the 165 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,160 car, and I meant to write them down. I forgot, and now 166 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,599 I got to think of and what were the Okay, so we got a 167 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,119 couple examples of stupid schizo word concept fallacies that you're all gonna find very practical. 168 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,359 You said, wait a minute, how could a schizo word concept fallacy 169 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,920 be practical? Because you will notice patterns When I was in the bathtub last 170 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,680 night before our legendary laughable livestream last night. Now I'm now I'm using alliteration 171 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,960 legend legendary laughable livestream. As I was lollygagg in the bathtub, our legendary 172 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:55,519 laughable livestream led to me thinking of interesting patterns pattern recognition, which by the 173 00:22:55,559 --> 00:23:00,599 way, plays a key role in this novel. But what kind of recognition 174 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:07,400 I'm talking about? I noticed a pattern that the move that people make when 175 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:15,559 they make word concept fallacies is the same move that people make in dialectical mistakes 176 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,920 in philosophy, and it's the same move that schizophrenics make. Yes, you 177 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,480 heard me, right, And it's the same move that will be explored in 178 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:33,519 this novel. And it's the same move that's made by idiot conspiracy theorists who 179 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:41,240 are not total skitzos, but have the reasoning skills and levels of total skitzos. 180 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,880 Jamie, come over, say, when we were talking in the car, 181 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:55,240 we gave the Jordan Maxwell example of birth son and son. What was 182 00:23:55,279 --> 00:24:00,519 another one? I can't even remember them now, Oh, Solomon is the 183 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:10,000 classic, Lion is a classic, all right, I got that down. 184 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,200 When they're one more good example anyway, I guess it was. Oh, 185 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,480 well, that's in the novel. I got that right now. Okay, 186 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:25,839 thank you your excuse. So now we're not just talking about noticing bad patterns. 187 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:32,440 I'm talking about noticing a pattern of the same move that's made in Schizo, 188 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:41,599 stream of consciousness, heretics and word concept fallacies, conspiracy theorist idiots and 189 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:49,960 the word play in this novel, and dialectical philosophy. And I was thinking 190 00:24:49,960 --> 00:25:03,279 about the example that Lenin trying to remember Lenin's example Lennon the Flow, the 191 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,519 Revolutionary Lennon has this example of like either oars. I can't remember that one. 192 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,960 Anyway, You'll see the point when we get to it in a minute. 193 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,839 So right now we're talking about the OCULTSAF so keep that in mind. 194 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:21,119 Maybe I'll even break out the whiteboard if you're good. Anyway, So this 195 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:29,480 book is called through a looking Glass Darkly, and that's of course a reference 196 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:33,119 to Saint Paul in the Corinthians, where he says we see through a glass 197 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,119 darkly in this world we see John, not John Lennon. Bro Well, 198 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,160 John Lennon, although John Lennon does play into this today, mate, we 199 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,119 will see. Actually John Lennon does play into today's discussion because as I was 200 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,920 reading through this, Alice has exchanged with the Walrus. I said, wait 201 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:56,160 a minute, that sounds like the Beatles. It turns out John Lennon wrote 202 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,960 that song on Sergeant Pepper's from that chapter. I'm like, oh, he's 203 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,599 talking about Alice in one moment. I never do that until now anyway. 204 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:10,359 But through a Glass Darkly in the tax Paul's talking about that. In this 205 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:15,000 life we don't really see everything clearly, whether the spiritual reality is going on 206 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:21,319 around us, what the ultimate purpose of evil events are, and also we 207 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,640 don't see fully what heaven will be like in this life hence we see through 208 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:33,880 a glass darkly, and thus the title of this guy's book playing on through 209 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:41,519 the looking Glass. And I think there's a section in the first one where 210 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:47,640 Alice looks through a looking glass two. But anyway, it's been five years 211 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,400 since I read the other one. Umo Google Choo, Mate, Umulus living 212 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:03,440 to the populatis, going to kill us mate. So there is that connection, 213 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,319 so we can establish then there is this occult element here. How deep 214 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,400 into this it's unclear. We don't know exactly how far Carol had studied this 215 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:18,000 stuff. We don't know that he was absolutely in the Golden Dawn, but 216 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,000 he's definitely hanging out with him talking to the Golden Dawn people. By the 217 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,000 way, as you guys know, also what Charles Williams of the Inklings was 218 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,400 also in the Golden Dawn. So you will see some interesting patterns because when 219 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:37,160 we talk about the neoplatonic elements, which apparently Lewis Carroll did have a fascination 220 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,200 with neoplatonism, which makes sense because of his mathematical interests. So people that 221 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:51,599 have this bent towards mathematics often find neoplatonism appealing because neoplatonism gives a very high 222 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:57,720 regard to mathematics, reality being in some sense fundamentally math to Pythagorean tradition in 223 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:08,000 the Pythagorean of mystical numbers. Mystical mathematics influences the Neoplatonists for sure. And 224 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,880 so this is over the Guardian. There's another treatment, and let's see what 225 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:19,119 the Guardian says about this Jake Fewer guy. He repeats his statement about the 226 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,960 esoteric stuff. I just want to see if there's any other elements in this 227 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:37,000 that weren't in the other article. So this is talking about the artwork by 228 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:38,519 Tanil. I do like the artwork, by the way, it's pretty awesome. 229 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,400 This is talking about it's all the same stuff. So basically, the 230 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:51,720 first article was some kind of sus website and all the same information is in 231 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:57,039 the Guardian article. So if you are some sort of a idiot who thinks 232 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:03,559 that the Guardian is like more trustworthy than other websites, there you go. 233 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,960 So let's go back to his biography a little bit, and then we'll go 234 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:17,640 to the Isaac's article and then we'll get into the first one, and then 235 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,799 I will give my analysis of the second one. This is a half and 236 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,240 half by the way, if you want to watch the full breakdown the rest 237 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,079 of this this is, I mean it's a full novel. I mean it's 238 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,960 like it's not long, but it's two hundred page book, right, So 239 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:41,240 it's enough for a part one and a part two. So Carol, as 240 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:48,160 we said, is interested in Anglican theology, and this I think would suggest 241 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:55,759 the predetermination stuff. So there's a very strong Predestinarian influence in the novel, 242 00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,920 and most people don't know that either. And in the world of Anglicanism, 243 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,000 there's always been a kind of an off and on love hate relationship with Calvinism. 244 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:12,640 And not all Anglicans have been Calvinists or Augustinians in a strict sense, 245 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,480 but many of them have been so. And that doesn't really apply to either 246 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,559 Low Church or High Church. You can have Calvinist minded Augustinian minded High Church 247 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:32,440 Anglicans and Calvinist Augustinian minded Low Church Anglicans as well. So as a High 248 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,039 Church Anglican, he apparently was influenced by this. And the other element is 249 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:45,480 the mathematics. So the mathematical depth that he got into also led him, 250 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,920 I think, to believe in a form of kind of determinism because in the 251 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:59,960 book we have the idea that Alice's choices and her steps on the the matre 252 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:07,480 so to speak of the checkerboard or the chessboard that she steps onto, and 253 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,200 all of Wonderland is laid out like a chessboard. All of the areas of 254 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:18,839 Wonderland are squares on a giant chessboard. And so game theory plays into this 255 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,960 because part of the point of the book is is Alice a pawn the queen 256 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,759 actually refers to her as a pawn, or is she in some way self 257 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,480 actualized with free will? And this notion of self actualization comes into play too 258 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,039 because he's in the circles with Carl Young. I don't know if he had 259 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,880 interaction with Carl Young, but he's a member of the Society for Psychical Research 260 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:48,480 like kral Young, and I think there's definitely some esoteric, occult and gnostic 261 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:53,119 hermetic elements in this. Apparently he was interested in not just Golden Dawn philosophy, 262 00:31:53,119 --> 00:32:00,720 but rosa Crucian thought in neo Platonism. Now that's also not surprising because 263 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,920 many of the Anglican so called ministers at this time, and going back to 264 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,960 the seventeen hundreds. Shocker, many many many of them were interested in alchemy, 265 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,440 her meticism, and the occult. Many of them were also freemasons. 266 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:21,839 Many of them were also British intelligence. Shocker. Right, but yes, 267 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,640 and thank you for that, slow boy. I appreciate you guys supporting the 268 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,319 stream there in the chat. If you want to support the stream, you 269 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,000 can do so by superchats, and superchats are done over here via stream labs, 270 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,240 very easy. You just click that link in the chat right there. 271 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:43,599 At any point and periodically through discussion, I'll answer the questions. Now it 272 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,920 says, so he was ordained, We're going to skip the in the some 273 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,799 of this was ski past some of this. In the Church of England, 274 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:55,559 he becomes a deacon. He's never ordained to a priest. He was into 275 00:32:55,759 --> 00:33:00,279 John Henry Newman, as you know, who would become Cardinal Newman. The 276 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:05,960 tractarian movement of High Churching Anglicans move more and more towards Roman Catholicism, and 277 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,440 eventually Newman converts and he writes his famous book, which influences quite a few 278 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,839 people to also convert. Still, it's even still cited amongst the trad cats 279 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:22,279 and the Novasorio. People that want to try to convert Protestants and Anglicans will 280 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:28,400 often, you know, give out Cardinal Newman's book. I remember reading Newman's 281 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:34,799 books back in the day when I was Protestant looking into Catholicism. But apparently 282 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,400 he also was influenced by this, So he had read allegorical treatments when he 283 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:47,599 was younger, like Pilgrim's Progress, and that's going to influence his production. 284 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:55,720 I would assume of Alice right went to Oxford. Did he major in math 285 00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:06,039 or theology? I'm not sure. See he was his friend was father's or 286 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,719 his father was friends with the famous Anglican canon lawyer Edward Pusey. Pusey was 287 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:17,760 a high Church, famous high high Church Anglican. Now this is the reason 288 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,239 we're going into this is that, and I don't know if this is going 289 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,280 to talk about it. But he had a couple of health issues and developed 290 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:35,239 a stammer and a bad cough at some point. And the Dodo in the 291 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,960 first part is a caricature of himself, it says, but this doesn't mention 292 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440 and this is going to be interesting for his social connection to for the geopolitical 293 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,519 stuff. But by the way, it wasn't George McDonald. Also, I 294 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:57,000 think in The Golden Dawn we'll see here in a second, but my book 295 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,880 that I have has a scholarly introduction. Of course, it's always good, 296 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,039 I think, to get some of these texts that are not just the pure 297 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,360 text, but kind of the scholarly texts, because they'll give you the background 298 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:15,920 and introduction that talks about him having multiple personality disorder. And I had not 299 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:22,119 encountered that before. However, this does make sense though, when we remember 300 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:29,920 that Alice has multiple personalities. If you don't remember, in the first novel, 301 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,519 there's a series, there's a point where she gets to Wonderland and she 302 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:38,360 starts interacting with herself and she has multiple selves, and they're dialoguing about well, 303 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,599 what is it to be a self? By the way, I forgot 304 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:49,920 to mention, they might be Giants also have many references to this novel. 305 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,800 Both of these because they might be Giants have that song it self called Nowhere 306 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,480 Pretty Sure that is a reference to Alice in Wonderland. And there was another 307 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,760 something else came up in Through the Looking Glass that was a they might be 308 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,039 Giants reference, but I forgot what it was. Anyway, The Matrix as 309 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:13,239 well. Obviously, probably the Matrix is the most famous play on Alice in 310 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,400 Winnerlane with the White Rabbit and old neo. Can you follow the white Rabbit? 311 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,079 Whoa? Dude? Whoa? So we'll look at that here in a 312 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:27,280 second. But this does not, as as far as I can tell, 313 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,239 mentioned that he apparently had split personality. Now, it wasn't diagnosed yet, 314 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:39,280 but presumably if he's in the circles of Young and Freud, maybe they noticed 315 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:46,559 this. I'm not sure, but that might be why Alice has alters and 316 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:54,360 multiple personalities in the first novel. Let's see if there's anything on this otherwise. 317 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,039 I forgot the look otherwise because it came up in this article and I 318 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,800 couldn't. I was surprised. Many people thought, oh, he was on 319 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,840 drugs when he did this. Here's an article on it. I don't know 320 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:15,840 what's website. This is somebody's paper. Lewis Carroll's dual personality shown in looking 321 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,320 Glass. Yeah, but it's not just in looking Glass because it comes up 322 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,840 in the first one where she's debating with herself as to what a self is. 323 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:45,639 Y'all know that they might be Giants' song Self called nowhere. Mm hmm. 324 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:53,199 Interesting, So now it may not be the case. Maybe a theory. 325 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,639 Let me see if I can find where the introductory Yes, they was 326 00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:09,360 saying that. H m hm hm m m. No, Now I forgot 327 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,000 where it's. I know I read it. It's in here, Maybe it's 328 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,679 Maybe it's in the introduction to the first party. Yeah, okay, there's 329 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:24,000 a long essay here at the beginning. Anyway, I read it somewhere, 330 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,079 I promise you. So let's see. Uh, if George McDonald also was 331 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:36,960 a Golden Dawn person, I'm pretty sure he was. Wait, let's just 332 00:38:36,960 --> 00:39:04,159 skip past this. Maybe not Golden Dawn. Hm, yes, no, 333 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:17,719 Charles Williams is Golden Dawn. McDonald wrote the Golden Key. Okay, maybe 334 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,960 George McDonald wasn't Inkling, is that right? But not Golden Dawn is that 335 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:35,079 right? Scottish Minister father of the Inklings dedicated the legacy of bull thing and 336 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,079 in Christianity to George McDonald Because so, maybe George McDonald wasn't a Golden don 337 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,760 guy, but he was friends with anyway. The reason we wanted to go 338 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,960 to this part of his connections was that in the terrim between his publishing writings, 339 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:53,159 Dodgson began to move in the pre Raphaelite social circle he first met John 340 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,639 Ruskin. Interesting, now, if you know you're Quigley and your Milliner Rhodes 341 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,880 Roth circles, you know that John Ruskin is a key player in this as 342 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,119 one of the early formulators of the philosophy of a world federation that would be 343 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:15,480 used by the Milner circles. So the Milner circles didn't just come up with 344 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:20,639 this out of nowhere. They were very influenced by and thought that this guy 345 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,280 was kind of one of their brains. Philosopher, art historian, art critic, 346 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,840 polymath. He wrote on geology, architecture, myth ornithology, literature, 347 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,239 education, botany, So a sort of a Renaissance type of guy. He 348 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:42,719 also was a seemed to have a problem with spanking his monkey. Literally he 349 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,440 had some sort of weird compulsive problem with this. I remember reading. But 350 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,320 this isn't even talking about the fact that he wrote this thing about world federation. 351 00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:00,440 And so he influenced the Fabians to come up with this. All right, 352 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,920 where is it? This is taken forever, So let me let me 353 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:16,119 show you the book I'm talking about. John Ruskin world government or world federation, 354 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:36,760 profit of the human built world exactly, Roads and Ruskin. Yeah, 355 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:44,800 here you go, Cecil Rose, John Ruskin and the worldview goal of a 356 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:52,119 Eurocentric world government twenty fifteen, Brandon Howse. So yeah, there you go. 357 00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:01,159 The British Empire would be this seed form of creating eventually the European Union 358 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:07,159 and then a World Union. And that's of course what happened. So if 359 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:14,199 you go deep into the quickly raw Child Roads stuff, you'll come across John 360 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:20,280 Ruskin. So back to so we know that he's in these circles, right, 361 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,280 So he's hanging out with these pretty high level people. He's close to 362 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,480 a lot of high level elites. He has these health problems he appears to 363 00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,280 have, although it wasn't really diagnosed at the time, it appears to be 364 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:40,280 MPD D I D. His literature has often been given a Freudian interpretation, 365 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,920 and then Alice's descent is a descent into the dark world of the subconscious. 366 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,559 That's corrected as partly that the overwhelming commercial success of the books spread around the 367 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:58,000 world, he was inundated with fan mail, sometimes unwanted attention. Supposedly Queen 368 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:02,440 Victoria herself enjoyed the books that she commanded that he dedicated his next book to 369 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:08,840 her. He denied this story and commented that it's false. Now I think 370 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,119 that's relevant though, because not that the story is true, but I actually 371 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:22,280 think he is criticizing the nobility system to a degree. I think that's what 372 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,760 Humpty Dumpty represents. So and we'll see that here in a minute where I 373 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,960 come up with that. But let's go over to Isaac's text now that we've 374 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:37,239 gotten the basics of his background. And by the way, I forgot to 375 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,880 mention that so here this is well known, right, This is just mainline 376 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:49,000 Israeli news gamatria of the alphabet acrosstic of proverbs. Now, before people lose 377 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:53,920 their mind and spur out, okay, there is an element of biblical gematria. 378 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,400 It's not what these idiots on the internet do where they go schizo and 379 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,039 think that everything is not numbers and you can cross reference everything into these random 380 00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:08,639 gamatria. How you're going to win on a betting on the Cubs game and 381 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,800 when the Illuminati is going to blow up the planet. Okay, that's all 382 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,880 stupid shit, right, that's that's dumb. But both Hebrew and Greek in 383 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,800 the ancient world because they didn't have the separate Arabic numeral system like we do 384 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,360 of the Arabic number one, two, three, right, they utilize their 385 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:35,800 letters as also numbers. Okay, So Gamatria is not some massive mysterious thing. 386 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,760 If you look at when John is writing in the Apocalypse and he writes 387 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,480 sixty sixty six, if you read Ken Gentry's book Before Jerusalem Fell, or 388 00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:52,840 if you read Days of Vengeance by David Chilton, it's very obvious that John 389 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,400 is also writing in a code that other readers would be able to recognize that 390 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,480 the Roman Pagans who would see his letter from pat most wouldn't understand. So 391 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,400 if John wanted to say that Nero is a beast, is an Antichrist, 392 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:13,800 and I think that sixty sixty six is talking about Nero, He's going to 393 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,559 write it in a code. And one way that we know that that is 394 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,760 true is that in the Book of Revelation there are actual textual variants. One 395 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,559 of the textual variant has six one six, and the other textual variants says 396 00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:32,320 sixty sixty six. And the interesting thing is that when you put Nero's name 397 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,400 into gematria. This is a legitimate loot use of gamatra. It still whether 398 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,559 it's sixty one six or whether it's six sixty six, it still comes out 399 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:50,800 to neuron kusar in r n QSR neuro Caesar. Okay, so that's legit 400 00:45:51,960 --> 00:46:01,559 gamatria. But also the Hebrew versions of some of the Psalms and proverbs, 401 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,559 and I think, naeum, let me say, I listed some of these 402 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:14,480 are our acroustic poems. So let me see it. Where did I write 403 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:25,360 this down? I don't know wherever I go, I don't see, no 404 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,679 one knows, but I can remember they were Psalm one nineteen, Psalm twenty 405 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:37,960 three or twenty four is an acroustic. Sections of proverbs nahum lamentations is an 406 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:45,280 acrostic, and nahem one in one or two is an acrostic. So what 407 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:52,320 is this? Well, the Proverbs thirty one example is in the Hebrews seven 408 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,960 hundred and seventy seven words, and it says that Proverbs thirty one, ten 409 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,119 or thirteen is one of the thirteen alphabetical across poems in the Bible. So 410 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,800 in the Hebrew Bible there's thirteen of these. Each line begins with a successive 411 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,320 letter in the Hebrew alphabet. This is called the Eshet Hayl or the woman 412 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:15,559 of Valor. So in other words, the famous proverbs thirty one woman that 413 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,760 everybody's heard of, right, this is actually a Hebrew acrostic poem and it 414 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:25,360 utilizes the alphabet. Now this woman in her article, she says, if 415 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,760 you calculate this, every first word of each verse, as well as the 416 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,280 name of God is thirty. In verse thirty, the calculation of eighty six 417 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,280 characters corresponds with eighty six in the value of the name of el Cheim. 418 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:45,239 And again this is not like outlandish crazy stuff. Okay, absolutely makes perfect 419 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,480 sense that when the Hebrew texts were being written and compiled, they would be 420 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,840 putting these kinds of symbols into it. So, and this doesn't mean that 421 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,079 Kabbalism is true. It doesn't mean it just means that the Hebrew text is 422 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:05,159 inspired, the Bible's inspired. Okay. And yes, I mean, ultimately 423 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,960 we would say the septuagent. But before there was a Septuo agent, there 424 00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:13,199 was some proto Hebrew text. And not every Hebrew text is necessarily bad. 425 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:20,400 We don't necessarily hate the masoretic text. Matthew's Gospel cites what would become the 426 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,880 or what was the proto masoretic text. So it's not that big of a 427 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,719 deal, and it's not even a big deal that there are elements of these 428 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,239 interesting symbolic things. Now, this is not Bible code crap. You can't 429 00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:38,239 put codes into a program that tells you Bible code. That's a bunch of 430 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,920 scam nonsense. It's not a magical device to predict the future, is what 431 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:50,880 I'm saying. But there are these fascinating symbolisms or symbolic correspondences, poems, 432 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:59,400 numbers that does exist in the text. So hopefully this we can be level 433 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,000 headed about this, because as soon as people hear this, they go nuts 434 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,480 with it, and you've got these idiots that Jim Bob's always debating with. 435 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:12,480 Okay, So Kabbalism is not identical to this. You understand Cobbalists do this 436 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,199 stuff, but this is not the same thing as Cabbalism. Okay. So 437 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:21,079 if you're an Orthodox Christian, you've inherited these texts, and whether they're in 438 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,679 the Hebrew or the Greek, both utilize the principle of gamatri. The Greece 439 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:32,119 did this too, because the Greece didn't have Arabic numberles alpha beta, gamma 440 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:37,800 one two three delta. For that's how they did their numery. That's all 441 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:44,840 it is. It's not a superstitious device for predicting the future or getting magical 442 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,679 knowledge, even though some people use it for that anyway. So she's talking 443 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:57,920 about some other of these examples. She says, Proverbs thirty one declares itself 444 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,599 to be the Proverbs of kingdom Yule, who says that it was an oracle 445 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,159 that was taught to him by his mother. Right, so it's the Proverbs 446 00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:07,320 thirty one woman. No other mention is made of him, however in the 447 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,440 Tanakh, but Jewish legend identifies him as another name for Solomon. And so 448 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,559 he was getting this advice from Batshiva. What is the genesis order? It 449 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,199 is the letter ordering of Genesis one and two. So bet is one, 450 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,440 I let bet gimmel shin dallet right, this is one, two, three, 451 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,760 four, five, six and until rash, which is twenty numbered. 452 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,599 This way, the alphabet has a sum total two hundred and seventeen. That's 453 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:36,920 seven times thirty one, which is a key number to the seven Palaces. 454 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,519 I'm assuming that's talking about the seven the sections of Proverbs where he's talking about 455 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:50,480 wisdom and her pillars, the pillars of Wisdom one up. Chimatria is mainly 456 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,239 used for biblical gamatria, and it's a reverse version of biblical gamatria. And 457 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,039 so anyway, she talks about how there's a parallel between the ordering of Genesis 458 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:07,719 one and two and what is in Proverbs. So now the woman of Proverbs 459 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:14,519 thirty one in the literal sense is a literal smart woman, and our review 460 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:17,159 we would also be the Church, right, the Church, allegorically speaking, 461 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,719 is the true Proverbs thirty one woman. And so she would be an image 462 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:29,679 of course of both the the Tokos and the Church. So it's not surprising 463 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,199 that if this parallel, that this woman is theorizing, it's not surprising that 464 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,199 it would be. There would be a parallel between the creation order in Genesis 465 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:43,880 one, which is where Eve comes from, and the new creation of the 466 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,679 new Eve Mary, who would be the ultimate Proverbs thirty one woman. Anyway, 467 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,119 So I know we're not here to talk about all that stuff, but 468 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,079 I'm just pointing out that this is not that far fetched. This is one 469 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:09,039 example of symbolic correspondences in the Hebrew Bible that would have influenced and did influence 470 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:15,719 a bunch of the literary circles that he's in. And I can again that's 471 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:22,960 not even in question because if you remember, we covered this in the the 472 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,639 CS. Lewis Space Trilogy, we did a whole deep dive into how J. 473 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,880 R. R. Tolkien is the hero of the Space trilogy. So 474 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,960 Professor Ransom, right, that's Tolkien in code in Lewis's book, and in 475 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,639 the first Space Trilogy at the end there's a letter from the professor who's Tolkien, 476 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,440 and he explains that he was reading medieval texts and he came across this 477 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,000 principle of neoplatonism that would undergird the philosophere. So again, the Inklings were 478 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:07,000 influenced by neoplatonism. Lewis Carroll's influenced by neoplatonism, and neoplatonism has a lot 479 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:15,519 of parallels with what we're talking about here with Hebrew acrostic mysticism and what would 480 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:21,360 later become quote Cobblism. Now, let's talk about that Cabbalistic side of it, 481 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,440 because the Hermatic Order of Golden Dawn was influenced by Cabbalism, but what 482 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,280 they sought to do was to as the Rosicrucians prior to them had saw it 483 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:36,239 to do, was to remove Cobbalism from anything to do with Hebrew stuff. 484 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,199 Now, I'm not saying that Hebrew Cobbolism is good or correct, or that 485 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,599 the Golden Dawn's Hebrew Cabalism is good to correct. And I'm gonna surprise you 486 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:49,519 here, but guess what. Cobblism is Ultimately just a form of gnosticism and 487 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:55,440 Neoplatonism. So a lot of people are mysti film Ohism, WHOA right, 488 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:02,239 No, it's just gnosticism and neoplatonism. If you read the premier scholar of 489 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,559 this, Gersham Sholom, I've read several of his books. He points out 490 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:14,679 that they're just borrowing from ancient gnostic systems and from Neoplatonism. And there's not 491 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,400 one Kabbala, there's many of them. So between different rabbis, there's different 492 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,199 Kabbalistic systems. There's Nachmanides, there's Isaac Luria, right, there's Cosaba on 493 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,760 all these different characters, some of these characters, like are fictional characters. 494 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:39,840 Anyway, Each philosopher, mystic person might even make up his own Kabbalistic system. 495 00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,840 And so for these people, and particularly would say Croley, when they 496 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,000 borrowed from Kabbalism, what they wanted to do was create their own pagan version 497 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,760 of kabala. I think I think Croley even says something like that somewhere. 498 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,960 If you read, for example, Crole's in the Circles of the Golden Dog 499 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,400 with I think Israel Regardie, Right, Regardi writes a whole book where he's 500 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,960 like, I'm going to do the true pure Cabbala, right, So basically 501 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,760 they're all just trying to come up with their own mystical magical systems. They're 502 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:20,880 all tweaking it, they're doing cafeteria style stuff, but really it's borrowing from 503 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,800 the structure of Neoplatonism. That's why there's parallels, by the way, between 504 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:35,559 the Kabbalistic tree and the cepharrot and the structure of Neoplatonism. And it's not 505 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,599 one to one because none of this stuff is like one to one. It's 506 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:43,760 all just kind of evolving systems. But the underlying structure is stuff that we 507 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:52,840 find in Pythagoras, the Orphic Mysteries, Plato, Neoplatonism, Plotinus, and 508 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,679 the Porphyrian Tree. So hopefully, by the way, what I'm trying to 509 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,039 do in part of this part is to demystify this stuff. People are mystical. 510 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:06,440 Well it's mystified. It's not even that mystical. I'm sorry, hate 511 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:16,639 the brigand it's not that mystical. Uh So let's look at one example. 512 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,119 So just look at the Porphyrian tree. Whoa, the Porphyrian tree. It's 513 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:37,800 like the gob No and medieval Western thinkers use the same types of structures Boetheism, 514 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:45,400 whoa beweit used Orthodox saint he's a Gobbalist, who love? And then 515 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:51,000 you get Roman Catholic, Western minded people like Raymond Lowll uses the same type 516 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,039 of structure. Whoa, They're just using pre existing structures, okay, and 517 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:07,159 the structure are borrowed also from Aristotle. It's the categories. So different philosophers 518 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:13,360 are coming up with ways to try to structure reality. So notice, as 519 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,599 we point out in the Porphyrian Tree, Porphyry suggests in his tree and his 520 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:27,320 introduction to isogogy that he's using Aristotles categories. Ariostotle's categories of classification were later 521 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,960 adopted into tree like diagrams with two way divisions which indicate genus and species or 522 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:39,599 genus in differentia. This was a logical process that continues until you get down 523 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:44,840 to the low species. Okay. So you can see that this structure is 524 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:51,400 utilized by all kinds of philosophers throughout the ancient and medieval world. And there's 525 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:59,320 nothing necessarily inherently satanic about the structure. It's just aristotles categories, okay. 526 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,679 And these continued to be taught and used up into the Middle Ages in all 527 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:15,360 kinds of medieval metaphysics textbooks and logic textbooks and even science textbooks, because look, 528 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:21,840 notice what is this. Oh well, the porfirent tree here just happens 529 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:30,199 to be Aristotle's genus right, substance species all the way down. So it's 530 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,679 just these are okay, because they're used throughout the ancient world. So if 531 00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:37,719 a Satanist uses this, it doesn't make it a Satanic structure. That's dumb. 532 00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:52,480 So there you go, whoa de mystified. Now. So the Harmatic 533 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,880 Order of Golden Dawn, as we said, it was an occult order that 534 00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:01,440 began in the late nineteenth and twentieth century, is a magical order active in 535 00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:07,440 Great Britain and focus it's practices on theurgy and spiritual development. Hey, Jimmie, 536 00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:21,400 Jamie, can you start with that noise? Thanks The contemporary traditions such 537 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:27,199 as Wicca and Thalema are inspired by Golden Dawn. Now fe limas where you'll 538 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:32,039 get this is more of a focused Crowleian thing, right, and it springs 539 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,119 out of Golden Dawn. So Crowley's in the Golandawn for a while, he 540 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,480 doesn't stay with the Golden Dawn. Because one thing you'll notice is that a 541 00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:45,239 lot of these people, the so called magic people, what they do is 542 00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:50,920 they learn the structures, the tricks, the grades, the levels, and 543 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,679 they go and create their own cult. And as we pointed out many times 544 00:59:54,280 --> 01:00:00,400 even to demystify Krollian stuff, the people who leave Crollianism, it's just a 545 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,000 grad school for creating your own cult. Because what does Gerald Gardner do when 546 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,519 he goes through the ranks of Crowley's Thing? Always starts Wickham. What does 547 01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,199 l Ron Hubbard do when he goes to the ranks of Crowley's Thing? Always 548 01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:24,360 starts his cult dianetics and scientology. So presumably the Golden Dawn was an earlier 549 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,360 version of this. Go through the grades, learn to create your own cult. 550 01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:34,159 And by the way, the high refont of the cult might also want 551 01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:38,079 access to your booty hole. That also tends to be one of the key 552 01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:46,880 elements of having a ritual magic cult so commonly known as the Golden Dawn Secret 553 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:52,519 Society voted to the study of we already talked about that Thelma is an offshoot 554 01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:59,000 wick As an offshoot. The three founders were William Robert Woodman, William Winn 555 01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:05,280 Westcott In Samuel Liddell Mathers. Mathers was a free They were all Freemasons and 556 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,840 Freemasons and in the Society of the Rosicrucians. Now that's interesting because again remember 557 01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:16,519 Liddell, Samuel Liddell Mathers is the relative of Alice Liddell, who is the 558 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:21,599 basis for al and the Golden don system is based on a hierarchy of initiation 559 01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,559 borrowed from Masonic lodges. So you noticed that, hey, wait a minute, 560 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,679 seems like the cults and the magical or ooh, the Magical orders like 561 01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,519 they seem to be just doing the same thing as the group that they sprang 562 01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:38,079 out of. Exactly, these are copy paste scams. The Golden Dawn doesn't 563 01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:47,480 have access to ancient, unknown mystical powers. They're just borrowing from the previous 564 01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:55,360 system of Rosicrucianism and Masonry. And the Golden Dawn was the first of the 565 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,599 three orders, although they were often collective referred to as Golden Dawn. The 566 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:06,760 first or taught esoteric philosophy based on what Hermetic kabbala is that Jewish kabala. 567 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:15,800 Now this is a hermetic version of Jewish kabbala. And what is that? 568 01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,239 Well, it comes out of again Rosicrucianism. And wherever we get Rosicrucianism. 569 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:27,760 Well, if you read Dame Francis Yates book The Rosicrucian Enlightenment, which I 570 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,559 read fifteen years ago, it's a great book covering this period. John d 571 01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:40,079 figures like Christian rosen Krantz, some of the second generation Lutherans, so not 572 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,679 necessarily Luther, although there is inference there was there is evidence that Luther was 573 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:54,800 influenced by Rosicrucianism or the Theologia Germanica, which is a Neoplatonic text. It's 574 01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:04,960 more definitive that the next generation of Lutherans, Johann Andre and then presumably Andre 575 01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:12,159 or somebody like him, wrote the Rosicrucian manifesto of Christian Rosenkrantz. So it 576 01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:16,760 was very popular at this time, right to have these documents written by us 577 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,320 a made up figure, right, Christian rosen Krantz. Okay, well, 578 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,679 nobody knows who that is. And if I recall, it's been fifteen years 579 01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:30,360 since I read it, but Yates thinks it was maybe Johann Andrea. I 580 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,000 think something like that anyway. But people say, well, why was the 581 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:45,519 Luther rose the Luther Rose? And if you notice, actually it is a 582 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,840 Rosicrucian symbol, why is Martin Luther's symbol a Rosicrucian symbol. Well, it 583 01:03:52,920 --> 01:04:02,639 became the seal due to John Frederick of Saxony and some of these nobility and 584 01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:11,320 these dukes and these people like this, these principiates. They're mentioned in Yates's 585 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:18,280 book as being into her Meticism. So I don't think that Luther himself was 586 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:23,039 a rosicruci per se and that he chose this symbol. I think it's the 587 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:28,199 other people that chose this who were into Rosicrucianism. But the symbol is a 588 01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:32,639 Rosicrucian symbol. If you didn't know that, So that's my view of it. 589 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:36,920 And Dame Francis Yates's book is not a conspiracy book for those that are 590 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:43,840 wondering, by the way, So let's see. Let me show you the 591 01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:57,079 rosicrusion Rose. So it's very similar and there's variations on it. So in 592 01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:02,920 the old Rose Cross texts looks like this. I think this as a later 593 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:09,039 on kind of weird occult version of it. But you get all these variations 594 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:13,000 and a lot of these older alchemical texts. All right, you'll get these 595 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:19,239 crosses in these images like this here. So the Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross 596 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:28,679 they used this. Now, what were the Roses decrusions? What was their 597 01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:33,800 philosophy? Well, they were just kind of the neoplatonic hermeticists of the fifteen 598 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,559 hundreds. Okay, so that's not that much of a mystery. They're not. 599 01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:47,599 They were into again neoplatonism, but they were also seemingly into scientism. 600 01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:53,679 And Dame Francis Yates's book also goes into that because she theorizes that actually the 601 01:05:53,800 --> 01:06:00,880 Enlightenment, the philosophy of the Enlightenment, was itself in many ways a Rosicrucian 602 01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:06,480 esoteric philosophy, the exoteric philosophy than like the philosophs, all these people that 603 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:13,239 you think of as Enlightenment and post Enlightenment thinkers, you know, the empiricist 604 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,480 Hume, Locke, Barkley, Kant, all these figures might have also had 605 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:27,920 her metic interest, and I think that's confirmed with Descartes. I think it's 606 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,199 pretty clear that Descartes was involved in perhaps some rosicrucion circles as well. If 607 01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,920 I remember, I haven't read on this in like again fifteen years, but 608 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:40,440 look, if you want to go deep into this, I highly recommend the 609 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,800 Dame Francis Yates book, which again is not a conspiracy. That she was 610 01:06:45,800 --> 01:07:00,400 a British scholar and hence the term dame, and she pausits this theory. 611 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:05,880 So this is her and it's a well known scholarly text. It's I think 612 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,920 it's a Rutledge classic here if you get this book, so understand, this 613 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,400 is not a conspiracy book. This is an academic text. It's published by 614 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,159 academic publishers. So there was another book that came out, you know, 615 01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:30,159 some years back, called by Peter Gay about the Pagan Enlightenment, and this 616 01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:33,400 goes into more detail of like, in what sense, what do you mean 617 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:42,239 by pagan Right. So Peter Gay's book, which is pretty good, is 618 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,440 the Enlightenment Rise of Modern Paganism. These are academic texts. Again, they're 619 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:51,719 not conspiracy books. So he does the overview of this, and then Dame 620 01:07:51,760 --> 01:08:00,159 Francis Yates's book is a much more scholarly deep dive into Rosicrucianism as the specific 621 01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:09,960 philosophy of that time period. So the exoteric is atheism, the excuse me, 622 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:14,519 the exoteric is atheism. The esoteric is the Dame Francis Yates stuff, 623 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,800 the Rosicrucian Enlightenment. All right, so we're way off try but now you 624 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,479 see where we're you see, you see the connections here, right, So 625 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:30,079 the Hermetic Kabbala is this Rosicrucion not not interested in Hebrew stuff, per se 626 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,159 Kabbala, which again is more like you know, Platonism. So you see 627 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:42,920 that really this stuff is not that mystical. I mean, there's a there's 628 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,640 a philosophical element to it, but a lot of it's a bunch of gibberish. 629 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,039 All right. So now we have all that in mind as the background 630 01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:55,840 to what we're talking about. Let's look at Isaac's article and Isaac's gonna have 631 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,720 some interesting insights. I don't agree with everything that Isaac talks about in this 632 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:03,399 article, but I did think he did a decent job of kind of summing 633 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:10,520 up a lot of what we find in the books. So Isaac argues that 634 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:16,279 there might be an impulture theme. It's possible, but we don't have evidence 635 01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:24,680 necessarily of Lewis Carroll himself doing this, so we don't know about that. 636 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:30,640 But if he's in the circles of the Society for Psychical Research with Carl Young, 637 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:36,279 and if his books became super popular, it's very possible that Carl Young 638 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:45,479 read this. And remember Carl Young was at when we did our Cure for 639 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:55,119 Wellness breakdown. Remember we came across that Burgholtz. Burgholtz was a giant what 640 01:09:55,359 --> 01:10:09,319 Swedish mental institute out of like a nightmare horror movie. Brigoldsy. It's like 641 01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:16,800 the archetype of a of a mk Ultra psychiatric Award. Remember that it's Yeahgoldsy, 642 01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:20,159 I mean, it's it's it. It plays the part dude, just 643 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:24,880 the cutout. Now, we got to have the picture of this place. 644 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,199 So if you haven't seen Cure for Wellness, I recommend it. We covered 645 01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:34,119 this with a doughnut the other day on his channel. So let's look at 646 01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:42,079 this real quick and then we'll go back to the book. Brigoldsy was a 647 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:48,720 giant Switzerland. This is why Carl Jung was there, giant Switzerland psychiatric mental 648 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:54,760 institute in cultural place. And if you think I'm making that up, oh 649 01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,199 no, I'm not. In eighteen ninety eight, Eugene Blueler became the direct 650 01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:02,600 Bergolzi, where he would remain until nineteen twenty seven. This is the Bleuler 651 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:09,199 era. It is considered the most illustrious period at the hospital, largely due 652 01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:15,800 to the advent of psychoanalysis, Freudian techniques and the creative work of his assistant 653 01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:27,359 who Karl Gajunga Carl Young Bleueler. Bleueler Bleolert had to do a Benstein joke, 654 01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:33,600 followed by hal Hans Vufking Mile and Manzrebula. In addition to Carl Jung, 655 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:40,399 renowned psychiatrists spent much of their career there, including Carl Abraham Interesting. 656 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,079 I'm pretty sure he comes up in a lot of the m Kiltra stuff, 657 01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:48,680 Ludwig Binswanger, A lot of these people I've never heard of. Eugene Minkowski, 658 01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:55,800 Hermann Rorschak Rorschak tests. We've heard of that, Franz Ricklin, Constantine 659 01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:02,279 von Monokowel, Eugene Bleueler, Ernst Ruden, Adolph Abraham Brill, and Emil 660 01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:13,840 Oberholtzer. Einstein's son Edward Einstein was a patient at bergoldzy whoa today Bergoldsey is 661 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,800 an important center for psychiatric research and mental illness. So they're basically do the 662 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:25,680 same stuff. The controversial who You and Cameron studied at bergoldsy Win in the 663 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,800 late twenties, and that's the what the Eugene Bleueler period with Karl Gajong, 664 01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:39,359 Now what were they doing there? Oh, they were studying eugenics, hypnosis, 665 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:56,359 sterilization. So it is very plausible that Karl Young read this and perhaps 666 01:12:56,399 --> 01:13:02,239 applied it to his archetypal integration. You know, we all know what Carl 667 01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:08,399 Young's all about. But if he's working with doctor Ewan Cameron of mk Ultra 668 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:15,119 fame, perhaps also you and Cameron's familiar with this text. And if I 669 01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:20,159 recall the only place I've ever been able to find a reference to Alice in 670 01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:26,239 Wonderland, specifically in Mkultra, I think it's in the John Marks book where 671 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:33,680 he says there's a chapter on reimprinting, which is the idea that apparently doctor 672 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:40,439 Cameron thought when he was working at mont Royale in Canada. He thought you 673 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:46,239 could depattern and repattern or reimprint a person to be a new person. So 674 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:54,159 I'm assuming this is some kind of like a behaviorist kind of idea that we're 675 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,760 a blank slate, you know, Tabila rossa, and that our whole personality 676 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,920 is all determined by external stimuli. So if you reboot the person's mind basically 677 01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:11,079 electro shocked them and LSD dosed them to like a reboot, then you give 678 01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:15,479 them new external stimuli. Supposedly, maybe the thought was, oh, we 679 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,399 can heal people and just make them into a new being. That was what 680 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:26,279 you and Cameron's re imprinting stuff was. Anyway, one of the claims by 681 01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:30,560 one of the people under Cameron at I believe mont Royale, of which was 682 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:39,520 basically the Canada version of Bergoldsey. So this place right here, by the 683 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,800 way, m Keultra is all over the world. Okay, people don't know 684 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,840 this, But the more that we dig into mk ultra, and I've dug 685 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,720 pretty deep I'm not the deepest into this or people who have studied m culture 686 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,760 more than me, but I'm pretty I've read a lot on this. Okay, 687 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:57,720 I'm pretty deep into m Keltra. I've read basically all but one of 688 01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,680 the mainstream books on it, and that's there's quite a few, even by 689 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,479 scholarly people. And we have books from the actually Chaultra doctors too, which 690 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,359 I've read. So not an chulture expert, but I know a lot about 691 01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:19,880 it, and it looks like, uh, if if there is a an 692 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:25,840 Alice in Wonderland connection to in Chultra. So far, what I've been able 693 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:34,920 to figure out is that is this, uh the Montreal experiments. What's the 694 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,439 name of this place, mont Royal? That was mont Royal? Is it 695 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:48,560 Royal? Victorian? This is it? By the way, this is this 696 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,800 is not this is not fake. This is all like people have been awarded 697 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:59,600 a settlements over this. You understand this is not conspiracy theory, right, 698 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:06,640 people have been given money because of doctor Ewan Cameron's experiments and whatnot. That's 699 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:12,159 just that's a CBC by the way, that's mainstream news. Somebody remind you 700 01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:16,319 mont Royal, that's it. The complex perched at the on the slope of 701 01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:23,880 mont Royal is now called the Victoria Hospital at McGill University. So, by 702 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,279 the way, McGill University used to be where they were doing MK ultra in 703 01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:30,279 Canada. Uh, there it is, dude. Every one of these places 704 01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:39,119 is freaking straight out of a damn a horror movie. Man. The horror 705 01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,680 movies are telling you the truth, bro, I'm telling you. Look, 706 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,920 I mean, if you if you watch Cure for Wellness, which not is 707 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,079 not it's not exactly about multra. It's relevant to m culture, but it's 708 01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:55,279 not exactly about that. It's just the last movie that came up that I 709 01:16:55,319 --> 01:17:00,640 can think of, which was basically an MK ultra movie. You know where 710 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,920 you have like the No, I'm not gonna I ain't gonna shop for that 711 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:10,000 shit. I'm not I'm not trying to buy my way into the mind control 712 01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:15,800 facilities. Uh. Is a pretty good movie, pretty good psychological horror thriller. 713 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,800 If you haven't seen Cure for Wellness, if you're looking for one of 714 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:27,760 those, uh, you know, MK ultra type movies, but it has 715 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,640 to be I'm speaking specifically of the MK ultra movies taking place in a dang 716 01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:39,079 facility. Right like this, it's got to look halfway like a castle, 717 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,640 you know what I mean? Right, For I mean to be a real 718 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:49,119 legit m k ultra mind control facility destroying your subconscious and smashing your mind into 719 01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:54,560 many pieces, it's got to at least have some castle in it, right, 720 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,199 It's got to be like castle. Its not a legit m kulture facility 721 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:09,479 anyway. So I guess it's the Yeah, Alan Memorial Institute is what it 722 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,720 was called from nineteen fifty three to nineteen seventy three at McGill University when they 723 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:18,399 were doing the m culture projects. So that all of that to say that 724 01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:24,039 one of the women who claimed but yeah, I meant to say, sucker 725 01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:30,800 Punch is of course the other movie where you get the classic mental institute creating 726 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:41,399 of the Altars. And we've covered sucker Punch many times, right, because 727 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,359 she's in there with her, you know a crew of bad bishes and they 728 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:51,760 are cabaret ladies, but they also happen to be altars, but they're also 729 01:18:51,880 --> 01:19:00,119 not really there. They're altars in what's her name, Ellie Rowing or I 730 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:03,880 forget her name. You know what I'm trying to say, Yeah, sucker 731 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:12,159 Punch is another one of these in cultra alternate Hollywood mind people. All right, 732 01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,840 So back to this anyway, For the whole point of all that was 733 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:25,439 just to say that in search of the mentoring candidate, I think John Mark 734 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:31,119 says that one of the women that was underneath you and Cameron, her claim 735 01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:38,319 is that Cameron was using Alice in Wonderland to try to reimprint her. So 736 01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,199 so far, that's what I can come up with. Now. In John 737 01:19:41,319 --> 01:19:45,279 C. Lilly's book, where he admits to doing some of this stuff as 738 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:53,479 well, and dosing young children, programming and beta programming the human biocomputer, 739 01:19:54,520 --> 01:20:05,079 he doesn't mention Alice in Wonderland, but he does mention showing people on LSD, 740 01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:14,039 and I'm assuming he means the kids to melting clocks and a lot of 741 01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:19,439 surrealist imagery that you would associate with Alison Wannerland. So that's a tenuous connections, 742 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:24,359 not explicitly also Wonnerland. But here's the book, this is the course 743 01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:30,960 the dolphin freak who had a thing for dolphins, absolute degenerate, mind controlled 744 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,279 idiot like just I mean, these people are the worst, right, total 745 01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:38,479 mad science lunatic and the idea is that we'll think about it. If the 746 01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:43,159 human body and the mind are computers, they're biological computers. Well, you 747 01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:45,920 can erase and reboot a computer, right, yeah, so erase it, 748 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:53,680 reboot it with these toxins, and then use external stimuli to reprogram. That's 749 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,560 the basic idea here. And it's real. This is not made up. 750 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,079 So this is all real. You understand. These are actual elder doctors who 751 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:05,359 have actual books that I've actually read and actually lectured on. And I've read 752 01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:13,520 about this for over ten years. So we're not in the conspiracy domain anymore. 753 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:18,159 People. You understand now pop culture associates all of these things with it, 754 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:25,800 and there is again, there's some precedent for that association. But exactly 755 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,319 whether or not Alis in Wonderland is used in MK Ultra. So far, 756 01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:34,920 I've only uncovered the claim of one of the women underneath you and Cameron, 757 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,800 and I'm not saying she's lying. I'm just saying that so far, that's 758 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:45,279 the only hard documented connection that I can find. So anyway, Isaac and 759 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:46,760 his article goes on to talk about a lot of we we talked about. 760 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:50,600 So he was hanging out with Carl Jung as we said, that's what gives 761 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:57,319 us the connection to because Carl Jung. As you know, remember everybody, 762 01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:01,840 Carl Young is not just he's not just a philosopher. Well he's the greatest, 763 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:09,680 he's the best. Well he's not just that. He's also in the 764 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:15,319 OSS. What. Yes, Carl Young was a spy and you can read 765 01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:20,640 his letters back and forth between Alan Dulles because Carl Young was agent for eight 766 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:28,399 eight. And that's interesting because people think, wait a minute, he wrote 767 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:33,239 these esoteric texts and he talks about, you know, things that seem possibly 768 01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:38,800 pagan and maybe even tiny mustache Man. No, dude, he was informing 769 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,079 too Dulles on Tiny Mustache Men followers for the OSS. He was agent for 770 01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:49,560 eight eight. And this is not just on Reddit. This is a public 771 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:55,039 here. It is Daily Beast. He was known as agent for eighty eight 772 01:22:55,039 --> 01:23:00,600 for the OSS. Carl Young Oss agent for eight eight. Here's the actual 773 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:06,760 I think this is the actual, one of his actual letters. Yeah, 774 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:15,640 well that's somebody's translation of the letter. Now have you ever heard doctor Joran 775 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,199 Peterson mentioned this. No, he doesn't ever mention this, but he says 776 01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:23,760 he's read the collected works, right, So if he's read the collected works. 777 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:28,159 This is Carl Young's Letters Volume one, nineteen oh six to nineteen fifty. 778 01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,399 It's just I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. It's just interesting he hasn't 779 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:36,319 mentioned this because I've talked about all this kind of stuff for a long time, 780 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,119 and it's not a conspiracy theory. It's an actual historical fact. You 781 01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:49,039 can actually see the somebody has on one of these websites as scanned in the 782 01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:59,640 actual one of the telegrams back and forth between Alan Dulles and Carl Young. 783 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:10,520 Anyway, but that again makes the connection closer between Carl Jung and MK Ultra. 784 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:15,840 You see, and pretty much all of these dudes right are involved in 785 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,880 mculture in varying ways and endiffering degrees because MK Ultra was not one program that 786 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,119 people get confused over. This. By the way, we're can we get 787 01:24:25,159 --> 01:24:29,079 any support tonight, anybody, if you're learning things, please support the show 788 01:24:29,239 --> 01:24:32,960 via the stream lavis function and give me a super chat if you feel so 789 01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:40,920 inclined, if you want to be nice tonight. Right there, So, 790 01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:45,800 guys, everybody wants to talk about in the chat, I'm not talking about 791 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,840 my mods. I'm talking about these new people like they don't want to talk 792 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,239 about what the night's topic is. Okay, that's not the topic tonight. 793 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,800 If you're wondering about all these other topics, I just did a show with 794 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:02,560 Jason Burmas about other topics. So go watch the Burmus show we just did. 795 01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:08,520 It's not tonight's topic. It's not that we're talking about Karl Young and 796 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,960 we're talking about Lewis Carroll and we're gone way off in M culture. But 797 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:23,359 that's okay because we are live learning. We're live learning. And by the 798 01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,239 way, as to your question about Hebrew mysticism, I've already answered this. 799 01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:36,239 I've already answered this, and I've talked about a million times. So he's 800 01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:41,560 in the circles of Carl Young via the Society for Psychical Research. Kral Young 801 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,159 is hanging out with working with for many years at Bergoldsey doctor ew and Cameron 802 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,760 of M culture fame, and at Bergoldsey they're doing all kinds of M culture 803 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,880 stuff. And M culture again is not just can we mind control somebody, 804 01:25:56,079 --> 01:26:00,880 can we sneak LSD and make them go crazy? No? No, it's 805 01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:09,159 vast numbers, dozens of programs at universities all over the world, and that's 806 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:16,119 what's people are discovering more and more is that M culture is not I mean 807 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,439 used to the researchers would say the common phraseology would say, oh, you 808 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:26,000 know, M culture was not one program. M culture was dozens of programs 809 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,079 at dozens of universities in America, in North America. No, it's all 810 01:26:29,079 --> 01:26:33,119 over the world. They were doing M culture research throughout Australia. There's a 811 01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:38,199 whole book on that that was not that was published not that long ago online. 812 01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:44,560 So you understand, people are piecing this together and figuring out even still 813 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,239 new information is emerging. Hey wait a minute, this guy. Hey, 814 01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:50,399 you know, Carl Young's over here working at Bergoldsey with doctor Ewan Cameron for 815 01:26:50,479 --> 01:27:01,359 years together in the Bleueler years at Bergoldsy and Lewis Carroll is hanging out to 816 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:06,960 some degree with Freud and Young at the Society, the Society for Psychical Research. 817 01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:15,680 Uh. And that also connected them to Blovatski. Although the Society for 818 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:21,600 Psychical Research interestingly debunked they did a debooking of Madam Blavatski, and so Madam 819 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:27,840 Lavatski was of course a fraud because she got debunked in her seances but that 820 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,640 actually doesn't matter, because even though you can be a fraud and be a 821 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:35,119 good spy, all good spies are frauds. And Madam Blavatski, I believe 822 01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:40,880 was what was working for British intelligence, and that explains why she was going 823 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,680 to meet her ascended masters in the Far East, who were her handlers and 824 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:56,800 her KGB context like contacts like uh Nicholas Rock another one of her occult associates. 825 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,319 And remember, guys, again, people are mystified. I'm gonna have 826 01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:06,439 to debunk you guys a little bit. I'm sorry to break your sensationalist fervor. 827 01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:15,119 But a lot of this occult gibberish gobbledegook, it's just another way to 828 01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:21,199 have spies. Yes, you heard me right, Their codes, their code 829 01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:29,600 speak, their NERD codes. What's the Joaquin Phoenix's line in signs right, 830 01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,279 He's like, there's no aliens. It's just a bunch of nerds talking to 831 01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:36,359 other nerds with their nerd codes. Exactly, Joaquin Phoenix. Guess what, 832 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:43,800 It's the same thing. A lot of secret societies are just networks of espionage 833 01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,960 and spies. That's it. So you're mistress, I don't know, dude, 834 01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:54,319 is that's a bunch of woo woo gibberish to cover up for Madam Levatski 835 01:28:54,359 --> 01:28:57,199 is not going to meet ascended masters. I mean, she might have been 836 01:28:57,239 --> 01:29:00,279 possessed and into the demonic for sure, But when she's going to talk to 837 01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:05,159 sended masters, that's her handlers, and that's doctor Spence's theory. I think 838 01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:13,239 that's true anyway. Now, Isaac talks about what we talked about in our 839 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:15,880 video, and to be fair, Isaac, I had not read this article. 840 01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,960 Isaac wrote this article before I did my video. I had not read 841 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:25,760 this. I did my video separate from Isaac's article, which I discovered recently. 842 01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,920 Isaac talks about the initiation element. Now, if Lewis Carroll is in 843 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,319 the circles of the Golden Dawn, this seems plausible. This makes sense that 844 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:39,680 there would be an initiatory element to it, because maybe the first you know 845 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:45,079 Alice in Wonderland is it has its own themes of alternate personality and whatnot. 846 01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:51,159 But through the looking glass, right, perhaps that's another initiatory movement as well, 847 01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:57,479 because in the first one, for example, she goes into the underworld. 848 01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,399 The rabbit is the cycle pump, right, The psychopomp is the literary 849 01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:05,399 device that leads us and takes us into the underworld. So following the White 850 01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,880 Rabbit takes her to the underworld, we have a classic Hero's journey story of 851 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,359 the descent the Catabastis into the underworld and then the return. Classic ancient literature 852 01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:19,279 is very common. If you take literary classes, you'll learn this, like 853 01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:26,199 in the first one. So all this stuff is pretty common. And that 854 01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:31,479 would also parallel with Carl Jung's archetypal patterns as well, and that would you 855 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,319 know, this is where you get Joseph Campbell, right, those are Campbell 856 01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:41,079 stuff is just like water down Carl Young. So Hero's Journey Alice is doing 857 01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:46,720 that. But you can also read it as a descent into the subconscious because 858 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,520 in the esoteric perspective, those those two things are kind of the same, 859 01:30:51,279 --> 01:31:00,319 the esoteric journey into the abyss or into the underworld the same as the descent 860 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:06,880 of the conscious mind into the unconscious mind, because the unconscious mind is the 861 01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:15,560 portal to the underworld in esoteric and even in other philosophies as well. So 862 01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:23,800 that is I would say pretty I'm pretty certain that that's what Lewis is working 863 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,880 with here. Now. In the second one, we don't go into the 864 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,680 underworld, okay, So in Through the Looking Glass we go into the mirror 865 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,560 world, so it's a little more self consciously neoplatonic. But in the first 866 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:42,199 one we go into the underworld. So that's the descent. That's the also 867 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,720 part of the initiation right as well. And so Isaac goes with the initiation 868 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:49,960 reading, which I think is probably correct. Again, if he's in the 869 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:55,800 circles of Golden Dawn, if he's familiar with Carl Jung's stuff, I think 870 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,199 they would overlap. Would they overlap? He might not, let me see 871 01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,319 if he overlaps. So it might be young. He might be too early 872 01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,800 for young or to know Carl Young. But Carl Young would definitely be familiar 873 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:11,640 with his stuff. So if he died in what the late ninety eighteen nineties, 874 01:32:13,039 --> 01:32:17,600 could he have read? No, so Young would be too too young, 875 01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:24,960 get it, Carl would be too young for him to read. However, 876 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:29,399 Young would be pulling from Carrol because as we saw what Carol died in 877 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,840 the eighteen nineties, right, what's that? Right? Thank you guys for 878 01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,199 the super chats. Appreciate the support. We're trying to go deep here. 879 01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:41,560 I mean you guys like the deep dive analysis, right, I mean nobody 880 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,359 else goes this deep, right. I mean I'm not trying to knock everybody, 881 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,399 right, we got our butt. Our friends. I'm not talking about 882 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:57,039 our friends go deep, right, Cootel goes deep, Isaac goes deep. 883 01:32:57,079 --> 01:33:00,359 I'm not dissing our friends. I'm saying, like, if you were to 884 01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:09,600 scour the internet for analyses of this book or choose the YouTube videos for these 885 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,840 literary works, dude, nobody goes even close to where we go. Now, 886 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,439 there's some nerds, I have to admit, like you if you type 887 01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:20,760 in a Dune analysis, Okay, there's nerds. There's spergatrons that know Doune 888 01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:25,960 better than I'll never know ever know Doune. Okay, but they only know 889 01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:29,720 Done. Okay. They can't tell you about perennialism. They don't know anything 890 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,920 about Done utilizing mk ulture principles that they don't know anything about it. That's 891 01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:39,920 way out of their their pay grade. Okay. So nerds can only give 892 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,760 you like the intra context level of the book. Okay, they can master 893 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,000 all the nerddom, but they can't tell you anything beyond that. So they're 894 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:56,680 basically worthless unless you're looking for a detail about you know what happens in Doune 895 01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,279 part five to the you know the worm or whatever. Okay, the nerds 896 01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:03,159 can help you out there. They can't tell you nothing about neo platonism, 897 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:09,960 I'll tell you that much. So. So if he died in eighteen ninety 898 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,560 eight, yeah, then so he could. He wouldn't have known Carl Young 899 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,000 unless he was into kraljung as like a fifteen year old, which he might 900 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:25,720 have been. You know what I'm saying. Y'all get my jokes, all 901 01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,439 right, So back to Isaac's point. A couple more. I don't agree 902 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:35,600 with all of Isaac's symbolism references here, although overall Isaac's article is pretty good. 903 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:40,079 There's a couple of places where I disagree with the symbol but he admits 904 01:34:40,079 --> 01:34:44,199 that he's kind of maybe reaching or speculating about some of the symbolism. He 905 01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:51,880 talks about Lewis Carroll's odd interest in apparently young women. I guess young girls 906 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,600 profess to be Christian, but it was more so into neoplatonism. It seems 907 01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:08,840 we talked about all that. Let's see the name Alice. I thought, 908 01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:20,279 isn't altaya truth in Greek anyway? Alithia alta, what's what's truth in Greek? 909 01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,159 I didn't think it was Alice, but maybe it's close to Alice. 910 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,319 So so Isaac talks about the descent. That's what we just talked about as 911 01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:34,720 above, so below, microcosm, macrocosm. That's true, and it's true 912 01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:39,560 not just of the underworld when Alice descends there, but also when she goes 913 01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:49,199 into the mirror world. So so the oh yeah, I wanted to talk 914 01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:54,800 about this point because this relates that this is another potential connection between MK Ultra 915 01:35:55,560 --> 01:36:02,439 and Alice in Wonderland, and that's the drug element. So a lot of 916 01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:09,680 the scholarship says, there's not really any hard data that we can as far 917 01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,319 as unless there's something Alex say, excuse me, So it's not Alice, 918 01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:19,920 but it was close enough. But as far as I could tell, it 919 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:26,039 doesn't look like Lewis Carroll was doing drugs. And this is important because everybody 920 01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:29,880 says, well, what about the Cheshire Cat. Isn't he smoking a hookah? 921 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,680 Alice? We have mushrooms and we have Alice eating and drinking things that 922 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:43,800 make her smaller, bigger, you know whatever. It seems plausible that the 923 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,840 circles that he was in, if he's hanging out with these Golden Dawn people, 924 01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:51,960 I would say, yes, they were probably experimenting with opium dens hashish 925 01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:56,239 right, if you remember, so Conan Doyle is in these circles, and 926 01:36:56,359 --> 01:37:08,000 Conan Doyle hash he has a Sherlock go to opium dens. It's some of 927 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:15,800 the stories, right, because I've read the Conan Doule's Sherlock stories, but 928 01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,760 it's been many years. I don't remember all the details. But doesn't Sherlock. 929 01:37:18,079 --> 01:37:24,520 I know that Benedict cucumber Batch cucumber snatch, cucumber bender snatch. I 930 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:30,640 know that he goes to opium dens. But I want to think that it's 931 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,520 part of the stories, because if you remember, Sherlock has a spy network, 932 01:37:34,279 --> 01:37:39,560 and he sets up these spy networks like the Hobos. He's got a 933 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:44,840 Hobo spy network and he's got like drugged in spy networks that tell him information. 934 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,880 And people wonder why that is. Well, Sherlock represents British intelligence first 935 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:55,760 of all, because his brother Microft explicitly is basically British intelligence they hang out 936 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,600 at what Boodles Club, which is I think where all the British intelligence people 937 01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:03,000 were supposed to be at. And the address two twenty one B Baker Street 938 01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:09,520 is actually a reference to British intelligence. I read that in a Conan Doyle 939 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:16,920 biography one time. So if you didn't know that, that also connects via 940 01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,760 Conan Doyle in the circles with Lewis Carroll with British intelligence. And by the 941 01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:28,119 way, I just told you that already, because many of the Anglican people 942 01:38:28,279 --> 01:38:32,920 were also British intelligence and spies. So yes, shocker right. British intelligence 943 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:40,680 also recruited from Anglican ministers. Of course. In fact, I remember a 944 01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:46,800 famous I think Rushtony. No, somebody in Rushdene's group wrote a book about 945 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:57,199 a famous Anglican spy. He was a missionary soldier, spy did all these 946 01:38:57,279 --> 01:39:00,359 kind of crazy missions. I forget his name though, but it wasn't I 947 01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:03,720 don't think rushing Any wrote the book, but somebody in rush Any circles wrote 948 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:19,439 this book about this famous Anglican adventurer or spy man. So anyway, is 949 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,159 somebody doubting me on that? Let's see what we get when we search it. 950 01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,079 By the way, I think when Jamie and I went there, I 951 01:39:35,079 --> 01:39:41,159 think we went by I think we went by to twin would be Baker Street. 952 01:39:45,520 --> 01:40:02,399 So now it's the it's a museum. Okay. So of course, 953 01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,479 YouTube basically, I mean Google basically doesn't work. It basically pulls up absolutely 954 01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:13,840 nothing that you're looking for. But I did read that in a biography of 955 01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,039 Conan Doyle and that there's a reason why he chose that address because the address 956 01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:21,239 used to be it used to be something connected. It might have been maybe 957 01:40:21,279 --> 01:40:27,960 a safe house for British intelligence at one point, so it's a coded reference 958 01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,800 to British intelligence. But anyway, my craft is actually, uh, British 959 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:36,079 intelligence. But I'm trying to remember if that's in the books, right, 960 01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:42,760 because after a while you start mixing the TV presentations with the books, you 961 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,199 know what I mean. So let's see, let's see what not Boodles is 962 01:40:46,279 --> 01:40:53,600 Dodge in these club excuse me? So my Croft Homes is the brother older 963 01:40:53,640 --> 01:41:00,800 brother. He's a government official, he's a British intelligence operative. So let's 964 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:15,039 see Sherlock Vigis visits him at the Diogenes Club. Uh, my cross position 965 01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:20,680 is unique. His position is a role that never has any anything been like 966 01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,920 it, nor will there ever be, So he's some sort of like super 967 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:34,520 spy. Basically. Anyway, we're way off off topic, but we're doing 968 01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:40,600 a non Schitzo stream of consciousness association here, So this is the proper way 969 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:45,560 to do analysis and association, not the way Schitzo's and crazy conspiracy idiots do 970 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:53,199 it. Let's see, so Isaac theorizes that the there's a kind of communion 971 01:41:53,319 --> 01:41:57,439 that Alice is undergoing here with she's drink, she drinks the bottle of liquid, 972 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,239 she eats the cake, so it's like bread and wine. But it 973 01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:05,520 perhaps could be a drug version of this kind of thing. And Huxley speaks 974 01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:10,600 of drugs as this way, right, so Doors of Perception other books he 975 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:16,960 speaks of, you know, various types of hallucinogenic drugs being the sacrament of 976 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:21,039 the future religion. If you remember that we covered that when we did our 977 01:42:21,319 --> 01:42:27,560 Door's Perception breakdown. So that makes sense that the people in these circles could 978 01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,680 have been experimenting with drugs, as you guys know Crowley's drug Diary, which 979 01:42:32,279 --> 01:42:35,960 if Lewis Carroll is in the circles of Golden Dawn people. Perhaps he knew 980 01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:40,439 or met Crowley. I'm not sure about that. Maybe he did, but 981 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:45,000 Crowley was doing drug diaries where he was recording these experiences, and doctor Spence 982 01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:49,279 theorizes that Crowley's drug diaries influenced Huxley because they partied together and presumably did drugs 983 01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:53,399 together. They might have even touched butts together, like the butt. I 984 01:42:53,439 --> 01:43:01,000 don't know, very possible, but pun intended. It looked like that could 985 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:05,520 be another potential connection. Right, So maybe he is adding the drug elements 986 01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:13,399 to the novels as part of the initiation or whatever. This book is supposed 987 01:43:13,399 --> 01:43:16,159 to be. Thank you guys for these super chats. Must appreciate it. 988 01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:19,000 You can support the stream via the super chat function right there. If you're 989 01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:29,680 learning new things, feel free to support us. So Isaac talks about initiation 990 01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,319 going into the underworld. We've covered that here. I'm not sure I buy 991 01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:39,600 this. This is kind of a reach, Isaac says. So we know 992 01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:43,359 that Alice has a couple of kiddies. One of them is called Dinah and 993 01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:46,279 the other one's called I think just called Kitty, and one of the black 994 01:43:46,319 --> 01:43:50,520 one is white. Is this the two pillars? I mean, I do 995 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,720 think the black and white is important because we get a lot of either ores, 996 01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,600 So the whole novel is concerned with word games, logic puzzles, either 997 01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,920 ores, and then that's to be part of where I talk about dialectics. 998 01:44:04,279 --> 01:44:10,520 Wonderland as we know, or the looking Glass world is arranged in a bunch 999 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:15,439 of giant squares, which is the Masonic floorboard. It's also the chessboard. 1000 01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:19,680 So it's possible that I think the black and white kitty mean this, but 1001 01:44:20,279 --> 01:44:26,319 the fact that Dinah is close to Bina, I don't buy that, So 1002 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:42,359 I'm not buying the word association there for cobbalism. Isaac may say potential connection 1003 01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:47,039 between the High Priestess tarot deck and the idea of the Red Queen the White 1004 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:51,560 Queen and isis. This is possible. The Golden Dawn definitely has a high 1005 01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:59,720 place for Isis in their ritual philosophy or whatever, so this seems plausible that 1006 01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:05,720 there could be Golden Dawn magic elements in this tarot decks. They don't They 1007 01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:10,399 have a close association with playing card decks, and we know the playing car 1008 01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:17,359 card characters come to life in right the Wonderland stories, so this seems plausible. 1009 01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:28,319 At potential tarot card playing card connection. Jamie, can you com here? 1010 01:45:28,079 --> 01:45:34,399 Isn't there a connection between playing cards and tarot cards? Okay? So 1011 01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:39,760 just yeah, no no information on that just yet. Okay, could you 1012 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:46,600 make me another coffee? By the way, thank you. Someone who knows 1013 01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:50,520 more about the history of playing cards and tarot cards. I guess we can 1014 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,920 look that. We've looked everything else up, so let's look this up. 1015 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:06,560 Now. Was the rider Weight tarot deck? Is that from the Golden Dawn 1016 01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:14,039 Jamie? Yeah, so the most famous tarot deck that everybody thinks about when 1017 01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:18,239 they see the images of the Hangman or whatever. That's a Golden Dawn playing 1018 01:46:18,399 --> 01:46:30,439 card deck. So so yes. So now this is just wiki crap, 1019 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,840 so who knows. I don't know how historical this is, but apparently you 1020 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:40,640 can use playing cards as a form of divination, right, so playing cards 1021 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:45,279 can be you can lay them out the way that you lay out tarot cards 1022 01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:49,520 for divination or whatever. But I was looking for the actual history of this. 1023 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:55,239 I don't know the history of how far back tarot cards go with playing 1024 01:46:55,279 --> 01:46:58,880 cards, but I'm assuming there's probably some overlap there. So anybody, if 1025 01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:00,720 people that know about this, you can tell me about this. That's not 1026 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:09,720 something I know a lot about. But let's see back to Isaac's article. 1027 01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:15,039 Isaac then theorizes about m Kilter and child aboose. I don't know about that. 1028 01:47:15,079 --> 01:47:18,159 He's wrong about the dramatic Germanic goddess of Ostara. That's not easter. 1029 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:30,800 Ostra is just Wasn't that just the Germanic term for the spring and Easter is 1030 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:36,119 Paska. Okay, so the words don't necessarily mean pagan deities, but that 1031 01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:40,600 that's remember that because we're going to talk here in a little bit about the 1032 01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:49,720 mistake that dumb conspiracy people make, that evangelical people make, that schizo people 1033 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:56,760 make, and heretics make with word concept fallacies and false either ors. We'll 1034 01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:00,640 notice this in a minute because this is actually part of the dialogue that Alice 1035 01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:05,199 has with some of these characters. So then Isaac talks about, you know, 1036 01:48:05,319 --> 01:48:09,560 MK Ultra and the notion of his association. Now I do think I 1037 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,600 don't know that. Again, we don't know if this novel was in any 1038 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,199 way written with the intention of some kind of mind control. Maybe there was 1039 01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:21,039 people experimenting with this in his day, maybe in his Golden Dawn circles they 1040 01:48:21,039 --> 01:48:26,479 were, but we just don't know. Maybe eventually information will come forward showing 1041 01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:31,399 that, but it does look like later people, possibly you and Cameron use 1042 01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:38,640 this as a experiment. That's as far as I can say, right, 1043 01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:45,359 But you've got like Fritz Springmeyer right places, like a huge amount of like 1044 01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:50,039 oh yeah, like the novel was written as a way to create alters in 1045 01:48:50,119 --> 01:48:55,079 mind control. I mean, but what's the proof of that? Right? 1046 01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:59,680 So that's a claim, But how do we prove that? So, as 1047 01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:04,199 far as I can tell, it hasn't been demonstrated. It might be true, 1048 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:09,199 but it hasn't been so that is a theory. Okay. So again 1049 01:49:09,399 --> 01:49:15,680 we're always distinguishing what can be demonstrated with facts and evidence, facts and logic. 1050 01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,520 We're straight up, Ben Shapiro, facts and logic, which don't care 1051 01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:25,319 about your feelings, Facts and logic and our characterings versus theories. And I'm 1052 01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:30,079 not opposed to theories. We just always want to be clear when we're theorizing 1053 01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:38,239 and we don't have hard data, right per se. Dave McGowan's theory that 1054 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:45,600 many of the serial killers might be a form of Phoenix program, it's a 1055 01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:50,319 theory. There's some evidence that suggests that there are some programs to use serial 1056 01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:54,800 killers. Do we then say, can we then know? Can we make 1057 01:49:54,840 --> 01:50:00,399 the leap every serial killer is a mind control program assassin from the Phoenix. 1058 01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:08,560 We don't know that. So we have to be guarded in not rash in 1059 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:16,399 our leaps. What's the what's the fallacy? I'm drawing a blank here. 1060 01:50:16,399 --> 01:50:24,800 I'm supposed to know this stuff, right, hasty generalization or a rash inference. 1061 01:50:25,239 --> 01:50:30,439 Right, And we also have to keep in mind other fallacies that are 1062 01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:36,640 particularly dangerous for conspiracy minded people. Right. What are the two fallacies that 1063 01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:43,920 conspiracy people always fall into? Texas sharpshooter fallacy and the gambler's fallacy. Just 1064 01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:51,119 remember, as a theorizer of real world geopolitical events and so forth, we 1065 01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:58,159 have to not fall into the temptations of thinking. For example, gambler's fallacy. 1066 01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:02,960 I rolled the six on the dice three times in a row. Does 1067 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:09,000 that mean or in any way determine that my next role will be a six? 1068 01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:17,359 Absolutely not. That's the gambler's fallacy, and conspiracy theorists fall into this 1069 01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:23,800 all the time. It's like a classic mistake of conspiracy minded people. Anyway, 1070 01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,199 that we've talked about that before. We're not gonna be talking about that 1071 01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:30,520 when we get to the conspiracy people. We're almost there. So Isaac again 1072 01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:39,000 my academic text says that the theory of some people is that Lewis Carroll himself 1073 01:51:39,279 --> 01:51:44,279 was an mpdd ID, which does make sense given the fact that other elements 1074 01:51:44,279 --> 01:51:47,039 that come forth in the novel is I mean, aside from his fixation of 1075 01:51:47,079 --> 01:51:55,359 taking photographs of young people, that the novel is actually dealing with through the 1076 01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:04,439 looking lessure with Adulton, So the move from childhood to adulthood and confronting the 1077 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:11,119 elements of the adult world that don't make sense to a kid, and realizing 1078 01:52:11,159 --> 01:52:15,840 as a kid that you will have to eventually grow up and become an adult. 1079 01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:24,479 So the direct literal interpretation of Alex as she progresses Alex Alice as I 1080 01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:29,279 can't believe you confused me with her unbelie Alice. As she progresses through the 1081 01:52:29,319 --> 01:52:32,359 novel, she eventually gets a crown because she wants to be a queen. 1082 01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:38,560 So in this level of interpretation, this is about Alice wanting to become an 1083 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,640 adult, and she sees grown women, she sees that they have they can 1084 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,960 do things that she can't do as a kid. They have privilege. Adults 1085 01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:53,880 have privileges that kids don't have. So it's partly a novel about grappling with 1086 01:52:54,279 --> 01:52:58,359 growing up and becoming an adult. And we know that, I mean, 1087 01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:01,520 that's pretty much an undisputed element of this novel. Everybody says this, But 1088 01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,880 we know that Carol had an issue with this because he was a very lonely 1089 01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:13,359 adult and it might have to do with his perversions of proclivities. I don't 1090 01:53:13,399 --> 01:53:16,640 know, but he apparently had a hard time with becoming an adult. This 1091 01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:23,920 might have been why he had this perhaps regressive childlike alter personality. Perhaps he 1092 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:29,279 was abused himself that caused this alter personality, trauma based abuse. Who knows 1093 01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:34,399 that might have happened to him, right, And so on one level, 1094 01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:40,359 it's that it's grappling with the things that don't make sense in the adult world, 1095 01:53:41,159 --> 01:53:44,479 Like you get to grow up, you have freedom, but you're gonna 1096 01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,279 die. Why do we have to die? Well, you can't stop it. 1097 01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:51,760 If I can't stop dying, then is everything something that I can't stop? 1098 01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:56,079 Why can't I cause things to be different in the world. Well, 1099 01:53:56,119 --> 01:53:59,560 there's just this fixed, determined law that you're gonna die? Does that mean 1100 01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,840 everything fixed? So you see how it kind of falls over into this predestinarian 1101 01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:10,000 theme. So themes of the novel include these are my notes, physical and 1102 01:54:10,039 --> 01:54:15,800 emotional transformation, dealing with what's going to happen as you get older, the 1103 01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,199 lowliness that will come about as you grow up. Apparently he was, as 1104 01:54:19,239 --> 01:54:24,520 far as we know, maybe celibate. Don't know if he was Skittles or 1105 01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:30,960 PDF maybe, but apparently he doesn't have any relationships that we know of, 1106 01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:35,640 so apparently he was lonely in his life. He sought a lot of love 1107 01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:41,239 and approval. Apparently he didn't get it. He was obsessed with the trauma 1108 01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:47,520 of growing up and the questions of life and death. Although we have these 1109 01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:56,479 disciplines like logic and mathematics that he's studying, he's concerned with things that don't 1110 01:54:56,479 --> 01:55:01,520 make sense. So how can we have logic, mathematics, these rational, 1111 01:55:02,319 --> 01:55:09,199 coherent disciplines seemingly that he's studying, and yet when confronted with the world out 1112 01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:15,439 there, everything seems to not make sense. It's contradictions. Society isn't organized 1113 01:55:15,439 --> 01:55:20,560 in a just way. There's the oppression of the elites against the non elites, 1114 01:55:21,039 --> 01:55:29,560 the plebs, the garbage people, the vulgars, the skanks. There's 1115 01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,520 corruption amongst the nobility. Why are the corrupt in charge. I think that's 1116 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:41,920 what Humpty Dumpty Ruck represents. Because he's fat, he's well fed, he's 1117 01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:45,640 all about fashion and style. He knows his fashions. He corrects her when 1118 01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:53,159 she confuses a belt with a cravat, and his whole thing is to constantly 1119 01:55:53,199 --> 01:56:00,560 say that, thank you. Yeah. His whole thing is to contly say, 1120 01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:06,399 uh, the King will save me. The King will put me back 1121 01:56:06,399 --> 01:56:10,840 together if I fall apart, if I fall And we notice he's perched on 1122 01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:15,319 a wall above her, and he says, well, if I fall down 1123 01:56:15,399 --> 01:56:16,520 and break like, the King will send his horses. They'll put me back 1124 01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:20,000 together. So it's this sort of uh, the upper wealthy class or the 1125 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,960 nobility that appeal to him, worship the King he's always talking about. He's 1126 01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:27,600 always named his names, name dropping, right. He's like, the King 1127 01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:30,439 knows me, and I know the White Queen. They gave me this cravat, 1128 01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:35,840 right. So he represents the fat, indulgent, lazy, wealthy and 1129 01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:40,439 upper class that sort of sucked up to the king and the queen, I 1130 01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:46,239 think. Uh So. Jamie, by the way, has an analysis she 1131 01:56:46,279 --> 01:56:49,199 wanted me to mention if you want to get Jamie's book, you can head 1132 01:56:49,239 --> 01:56:53,560 on over to my website and get her Weird Stuff book. She has a 1133 01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:59,880 whole section on Alice in Wonderland and the conspiracy reading of the text. So 1134 01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:04,800 she goes into the connections that Disney had with this story. So obviously Disney 1135 01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:12,439 as much later into the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties, but Disney had 1136 01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:16,800 an intense fascination with this story. Everybody's I'm sure seeing the Disney version of 1137 01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:19,520 Alice in Wonderland. I actually haven't seen that since I was a kid, 1138 01:57:20,199 --> 01:57:26,000 so I've what's fresh in my mind is the books. So I don't even 1139 01:57:26,079 --> 01:57:30,039 remember. I mean, I remember a few images from the Disney one, 1140 01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:32,359 but I don't even remember what I was in the Disney one. So I 1141 01:57:32,399 --> 01:57:38,720 can't speak too much to the Disney version of it. Because But anyway, 1142 01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:41,760 if you want Jamie's take, you can get signed copies of her book over 1143 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:47,720 at the website. Also, this notion of if he did have split personality, 1144 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:55,960 this also could have contributed to why he believed that you could pass into 1145 01:57:56,039 --> 01:58:00,199 a mirror world, right, So if that's his inner weird experience, it's 1146 01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:04,840 however that works for people that have this MPD d id dilemmit. By the 1147 01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:14,640 way, there was a movie that came out with the Matthew from Downton Abbey. 1148 01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,960 I forget that guy's name, And you're saying, why are you talking 1149 01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:23,840 about Matthew from Downton Abbey. Well, I'm gonna show you because this is 1150 01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:26,800 another thing that popped up that I didn't expect. And I don't know how 1151 01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:32,640 much scholarly basis there is to this because when I was in undergrad in grad 1152 01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:34,760 school, I took a lot of lit classes. I've had a lot of 1153 01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:39,199 lit stuff, so I know it pretty well. But what I don't know 1154 01:58:39,439 --> 01:58:42,199 is much of the history of the authors. So I don't I mean, 1155 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:45,600 I know about Dostoevsky and but like, I couldn't tell you anything about Charles 1156 01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:50,239 Dickens. I don't remember much about him. But did you see that movie 1157 01:58:50,279 --> 01:58:59,119 with what's his freaking name? They made a Charles Dickens movie and you're watching 1158 01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:02,319 it, and I'm like, okay, so they're gonna make a you know, 1159 01:59:02,439 --> 01:59:04,760 I don't even really want to watch this, Jamie really wanted to watch 1160 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:11,760 it. And it's like, you got the dude from Downton Abbey playing him? 1161 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:15,840 Is it this one? Yeah, the man who invented Christmas. What's 1162 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:25,159 that guy's name, Matthew Dan Stevens, Right, And I'm watching this movie 1163 01:59:25,359 --> 01:59:32,359 and he's got multiple personality disorder and I'm like what. And so they're basically 1164 01:59:32,399 --> 01:59:41,479 saying theorizing that Charles Dickens also was mpdd ID and perhaps that's how he came 1165 01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:45,880 up with all this vast spergatron world of characters. I mean, I don't 1166 01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:57,079 know, right, but so it's this movie here and uh, he kind 1167 01:59:57,079 --> 02:00:00,279 of goes nuts. I have no idea if this is based on any thing 1168 02:00:00,479 --> 02:00:06,560 legit though, right, Like, I don't know if Charles Dickens was had 1169 02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:12,920 alters, but that's the theory of this movie. And in the mood you're 1170 02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:18,600 watching it and basically like all the characters like Scrooge, you know, they're 1171 02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:25,640 like alters in his head. And I wasn't expecting this is getting crazy. 1172 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:31,640 So anyway, let me see if I hit all my notes here. Oh, 1173 02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:36,279 next thing we want to get to is, uh, if there isn't 1174 02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:40,640 a cultic element as we said there might be the notion of the alienation of 1175 02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:46,079 Sophia. So Alice might be the feminine principle who is exiled from her original 1176 02:00:46,119 --> 02:00:49,239 world, her happy world, her Eden world, into this crazy world. 1177 02:00:49,239 --> 02:00:55,279 So we're moving beyond the interpretation of just a young girl growing up into adulthood 1178 02:00:55,279 --> 02:01:00,119 and maturation, but perhaps an esoteric Sophia principle, where so so Fia creates 1179 02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:08,720 a prism world where she's trapped, and thus Alice is a fallen soul into 1180 02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:15,000 a fallen prison world, a gnostic reading like we are. Hence the dream 1181 02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:18,359 interpretation. If you don't know right, you get this dream revelation at the 1182 02:01:18,439 --> 02:01:26,920 end of through the looking goss So that's also possible. The other element, 1183 02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,840 as we wanted to say, is the linguistic stuff. So let's talk about 1184 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:35,319 a few of the problems of the linguistics. Language in the book. Language 1185 02:01:35,319 --> 02:01:41,840 can cause and anticipate events, and for example, nursery rhymes in the story 1186 02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,319 actually cause events to occur. In two cases. We have the exchange with 1187 02:01:45,319 --> 02:01:50,800 tweedledy and tweetled dumb and the discussion with Humpty dumpty. So this is interesting 1188 02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:58,720 because in the other world you have wordplay that in this world we think of 1189 02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:05,079 it as simply word play. But in that world, for example, she 1190 02:02:05,319 --> 02:02:14,840 talks about Humpty Dumpty, then Humpty Dumpty, uh falls, right, is 1191 02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,640 that right? I'm trying to remember exactly every deeping does he fall? I 1192 02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:25,600 just read that the other night. I'm trying to remember because he's saying if 1193 02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:29,840 I fall, it won't matter because the all the King's forces, all the 1194 02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:31,960 King's men will put us back to oh in the ravens. So she when 1195 02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:40,359 she's arguing with tweedled the and Tweedled dumb, somebody mentions a crow, and 1196 02:02:40,399 --> 02:02:46,319 then a giant crow appears. So in this world, the words that you 1197 02:02:46,439 --> 02:02:53,680 speak actually can cause reality to occur, and that again, that would suggest 1198 02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:58,359 cabalism. Right. So if that's the case in that dimension of the potentia, 1199 02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:02,319 the realm of potentiality, the imaginal realm, which is where she is, 1200 02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:10,680 right, that does cause the words cause things to be real. That 1201 02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:17,880 could be callballistic as well. Where she enters is specifically a mirror world, 1202 02:03:18,279 --> 02:03:21,760 right, So you actually what she walks through the mirror because in the first 1203 02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:27,840 sequence she's playing with her kittens, and she's playing with some toys and there's 1204 02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:31,399 a chessboard, and so everything that's in her real world. When she steps 1205 02:03:31,439 --> 02:03:36,880 into the mirror world, there's a corollary to it. But in that world, 1206 02:03:38,079 --> 02:03:42,640 the things are alive and they become kind of guides on her journey, 1207 02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:45,239 her process. They're the new psychopomps, so to speak. Even though she 1208 02:03:45,239 --> 02:03:49,000 doesn't go to an underworld. They become sort of the animal guides or the 1209 02:03:49,039 --> 02:03:55,520 spirit guides, like you might see a shamanic initiation with the animal. You 1210 02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:58,680 know, people wear the mask and the animal spirits and they're dancing around and 1211 02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,399 they're part of this quest hero's quest journey that you're on. So we're moving 1212 02:04:02,439 --> 02:04:08,039 into the gnostic and or initiation journey. Reading of the text, I think 1213 02:04:08,039 --> 02:04:15,479 this is probably the case. And in this sense it would be she's grappling 1214 02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:19,479 with all of the predetermined game theory stuff. Again, he's a mathematician. 1215 02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:30,680 He likes neoplatonism. So is the world a matrix of controlled determined events based 1216 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:42,680 on a strict causal chain, or is Alice able to figure out the matrix 1217 02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:51,760 solve it become a queen herself and awaken from her dream. The sleeper must 1218 02:04:51,760 --> 02:05:01,800 awaken and thus, in waking up, does she then achieve self actionation self 1219 02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:08,359 will to not be determined by the matrix? And I'm not joking when I 1220 02:05:08,399 --> 02:05:15,479 said the matrix, because it's not an accident that you get the matrix from 1221 02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:19,199 this. Okay, movies like the Matrix could never have happened if you didn't 1222 02:05:19,239 --> 02:05:26,399 have stories like this. So in a way, Lewis Carroll is anticipating simulation 1223 02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:31,640 theory way before it comes about. But I mean, we're not gonna totally 1224 02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:38,439 give him credit for simulation there, because ultimately Platonism and gnosticism are forms of 1225 02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:47,720 simulation theory way before. Who's the Bostrom posits it and Elon Musk talks about 1226 02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:51,760 it? Right, so neck Bostrom posits it. What in like two thousand 1227 02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:59,399 and two, three or four? Whatever? Simulation theory h spergatrons and computer 1228 02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:01,960 nerds talk about it. Dude, have you ever seen like the matrix? 1229 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,920 Like whatever? The computers to be lead? Right, everybody sends the matrix 1230 02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:11,239 has taught every nerd, every uh you know, hacker Man has talked about 1231 02:06:11,239 --> 02:06:14,520 this theory. And then we get, of course Elon making it more popular 1232 02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,319 by talking about it a few years ago. What if we're in a matrix. 1233 02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:21,079 You couldn't have had any of that, in my view without Alice in 1234 02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:27,920 Wonderland, because not only does Alice in Wonderland influence the matrix and the right 1235 02:06:28,039 --> 02:06:33,680 white Rabbit and all that. And by the way, remember Neo actually goes 1236 02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:38,840 to the mirror. Remember that. I just remember that Neo doesn't just follow 1237 02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:42,800 the white rabbit when he takes the pill. He goes in the mirror, 1238 02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,960 another through the looking glass reference. And I just now remember, I mean 1239 02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,960 spend a long time so much the matrix, but they referenced Alex in Wonderland 1240 02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:56,359 a lot in the matrix if you remember, which is again you know, 1241 02:06:56,439 --> 02:07:01,199 the matrix is totally one percent of a gnostic neoplatonic thing. But the other 1242 02:07:01,239 --> 02:07:04,720 element that I'm getting at here, which is the unique contribution I think of 1243 02:07:06,439 --> 02:07:15,760 perhaps Lewis in this notion, is the determinist mathematics element, because as this 1244 02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:26,359 mathematician, he's clearly conflicted and concerned with predetermination and mathematical determination. If we 1245 02:07:26,399 --> 02:07:30,079 live in a giant math matrix, then every action is determined. So how 1246 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:33,159 do we get out of this? Well, we got to go past the 1247 02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:36,720 ice wall. I'm just joking. Does a joke how do we get out 1248 02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:42,159 of this? Oh, we got to fly up to the to the ice 1249 02:07:42,439 --> 02:07:46,840 ice, to the snowball dome that covers Earth and bust through. I'm joking, 1250 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:49,399 right, We're get we get full Eddie Bravo up in here. I'm 1251 02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:54,600 just joking. How do we get out of it? Well, presumably there's 1252 02:07:54,640 --> 02:08:01,039 some sort of process by which one awakens, right, sleeper must awaken. 1253 02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:05,359 So are we in a computer simulation? Are we in a dream state? 1254 02:08:07,399 --> 02:08:11,760 Or is it a surrealist thing? So? Is it anticipating surrealism? Probably 1255 02:08:11,399 --> 02:08:16,479 because if the story, as you know, we're not. I'm not going 1256 02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:18,920 to the end because this is a part one. If you want the full 1257 02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:20,479 analysis, we get a lot more to go through. I'm gonna do the 1258 02:08:20,479 --> 02:08:24,840 pattern recognition stuff, the examples of the schizo stuff, the dialectic stuff, 1259 02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:33,279 and the second half of the story in the part two. So we've talked 1260 02:08:33,319 --> 02:08:37,119 about the fixation on the either or she enters the mirror world, there's these 1261 02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:43,359 shamanic elements. Is very much like the matrix. The matrix plays on this 1262 02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:52,800 heavily. The monster, the bander Snatch or excuse me, Bandersnatch is jabberwockie, 1263 02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:58,039 right, this is This part was kind of confusing, by the way, 1264 02:08:58,039 --> 02:09:01,439 this is actually a complex novel if you don't have the illustrated version. 1265 02:09:01,479 --> 02:09:11,840 For example, if you're reading the chapter about hi haa haya and hata, 1266 02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:18,600 it's a play on the way the British say hair and hatter ha ha ha, 1267 02:09:20,119 --> 02:09:22,840 So it's a play on how the British say it. And if you 1268 02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:28,359 don't have the visuals of the excellent illustrations of the Tierney guy, you don't 1269 02:09:28,439 --> 02:09:31,560 know that that's just the mad Hatter and the hair who make a reappearance in 1270 02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:41,359 the story. A lot of things in this mirror land also are backwards, 1271 02:09:41,359 --> 02:09:48,279 and and everything's caddy wamp us, right, so you walk forward in some 1272 02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:58,439 places to go backwards in some places. When she talks to the red Red 1273 02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:01,760 Queen, yeah, she talks to the Red quet the White Queen, one 1274 02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:07,560 of the queens, and she says she talks about her future memories, and 1275 02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:11,039 so they have this exchange about Alice says, well, you can only remember 1276 02:10:11,079 --> 02:10:13,920 things in the past, and the queen makes fun of her and says, 1277 02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:18,039 well, that's very limiting. So you don't even remember all the future events 1278 02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:24,359 that haven't happened yet. So she's moving in reverse to go forward. We'll 1279 02:10:24,359 --> 02:10:31,119 talk about the flowers being alive. We'll talk about cause and effect operating in 1280 02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:35,520 a different way, so a lot of contradictions on purpose. We'll talk about 1281 02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:41,960 the meaning of the blended animals in the part two, and then we're going 1282 02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:46,680 to get deep into the metaphysics, as they said, because you have the 1283 02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:50,960 famous story of the tortoise and the hair, which plays an important role in 1284 02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:58,479 the Douglas Hofstatter book, Gurdell ascher Bach and actually many mathematicians have fixated on 1285 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:05,840 the story Tortoise in the hair because it's a kind of a excuse me out 1286 02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:09,840 the tortise in there, what the tortoise said to Achilles. It ends up 1287 02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:15,920 being this kind of mathematical puzzle that we're going to talk about. So this 1288 02:11:16,119 --> 02:11:22,000 is a work of definitely high IQ spurgratism to the max. There's a lot 1289 02:11:22,039 --> 02:11:26,159 going on. There is definitely a cult esoteric element. Other books too, 1290 02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,319 I forgot to mention Flatland by Edwin Abbott will talk about some of that in 1291 02:11:28,319 --> 02:11:33,439 the part too. Yeah, they're on a chessboard and that's why all the 1292 02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:39,880 squares are laid out in this certain way which I think is part of the 1293 02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:45,960 mathematical determinism in the game theory. Right, So he's looking at a chessboard 1294 02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,720 in a mathematical way, Lewis Carrolem say, and for him, he's reading 1295 02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:54,239 that as a kind of determinism. So let's see, we got to save 1296 02:11:54,279 --> 02:11:56,640 a chat from If you want to support the show, by the way, 1297 02:11:56,680 --> 02:12:00,720 you can do it right now. Actually, I got one thing I gotta 1298 02:12:00,720 --> 02:12:03,600 tell you before we move to the super chats. This is really important. 1299 02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:11,000 Our Ai vivek Ramaswami has something he wants to tell you. I'm gonna put 1300 02:12:11,000 --> 02:13:33,760 you on something. Downsides to consuming nasty fake sucerlose. Each dose of chad 1301 02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:37,439 Mode contains the kick of a cup and a half of coffee that we're all 1302 02:13:37,479 --> 02:13:43,439 proud of. I got a browser here. This is Jay Dyers, much 1303 02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:48,960 vaunted, much sought after philosophy one oh one. Now he just got this 1304 02:13:48,039 --> 02:13:50,439 page up. We are just testing it out. You guys are some of 1305 02:13:50,479 --> 02:13:54,119 the first people in the world to see it. I want to say, 1306 02:13:54,199 --> 02:13:56,960 for my part, it's not philosophy. I want oh one. I think 1307 02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:01,520 this is a miss mistitling. I really think is as like philosophy unleashed because 1308 02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:05,039 a philosophy want a one course, they give you kind of some useless information 1309 02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:09,119 that you can't make sense of. Jay actually lays out, over twelve weeks, 1310 02:14:09,399 --> 02:14:13,159 dozens and dozens of hours put into just the presentation of this, let 1311 02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:16,359 alone the hundreds and thousands of hours of research that it takes to have a 1312 02:14:16,359 --> 02:14:22,640 coherent evolution and history of the origins of philosophy, the uses of philosophy, 1313 02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:26,279 the different ways to look at it over time, and how that has been 1314 02:14:26,319 --> 02:14:31,640 brought about to what we have today, which is almost an absence of philosophy 1315 02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:37,439 on the objective, logic and reason side, in an overabundance of woke philosophy 1316 02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:39,880 that is irrational and is made up day by day as people are like, 1317 02:14:41,239 --> 02:14:43,520 I think we should bring racism back, and then here's a justification, and 1318 02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,880 then it gets wokeified and spread out, and then all of a sudden you 1319 02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:52,119 have a bunch of communist socialist ideas where you become the property in action. 1320 02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:54,119 You need to be able to stand on your own ground. It helps to 1321 02:14:54,199 --> 02:15:00,199 have a foundation in philosophy because it's a method define truth when you get down 1322 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:03,000 to what philosophy is there, because you love truth enough to go and learn 1323 02:15:03,039 --> 02:15:07,239 how to find it because it's valuable. So if you're interested in things like 1324 02:15:07,279 --> 02:15:11,560 that, there is the landing page. We'll link it up in the notes. 1325 02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:15,439 It is a longer once, so we'll get a shorter URL for this. 1326 02:15:15,479 --> 02:15:16,760 I'm sure Jay has a link on his page. I just wanted to 1327 02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:18,840 show it off. Now you know what exists, you can go look for 1328 02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:24,560 it and see why this is not your father's philosophy. Right, So well 1329 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:28,199 done. 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And this is a five 1363 02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:16,920 year later, a part two, So it took us long enough, So 1364 02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:20,360 there's that watch that you go. Do that on your own time. Do 1365 02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:24,559 it on your own time, all right, Super Jats, Jack five dollars 1366 02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:28,559 forgive you. We forgive you for being late. We know you was busy 1367 02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:35,879 making up a mega planet. I like that he gave us the option of 1368 02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:39,440 being included in the discussion of whether he should make a mega planet. Like 1369 02:18:39,520 --> 02:18:41,440 he didn't just go ahead and make it, you know what I mean, 1370 02:18:41,479 --> 02:18:46,159 Like he could have just done it, but no, he chose to include 1371 02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:50,879 us in the discussions of the making of a mega planet. So if you 1372 02:18:50,959 --> 02:18:56,719 guys don't know what I'm talking about, we had a ruckus time in last 1373 02:18:56,799 --> 02:19:03,879 night's live stream right here internal monologue Sam Hyde TikTok cults, star seeds and 1374 02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:07,079 theory ons And if you don't know what theoryons are, you can educate, 1375 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:13,840 educate yourself. Educate yourself by last night's stream. But I did specifically clip 1376 02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:18,760 out the funniest part where I had not seen this clip, and it was 1377 02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:24,200 one of the funniest clips I'd seen in a long time. And this dude, 1378 02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:28,719 uh, he might even top organic like us, He might even be 1379 02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:31,079 better. But you can watch that clip right there to see what I thought 1380 02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:35,040 was so funny. Not saying Theoxy advocate two dollars. Do you speak of 1381 02:19:35,079 --> 02:19:39,840 Heidiger's design, I have not spoken much of that. I've I had one 1382 02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:43,799 class on Hidiger. I don't know a whole lot about Hidigger, so something 1383 02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:48,559 I need to probably dive into. I've read a couple secondary sources on Hidiger, 1384 02:19:48,879 --> 02:19:54,399 but I haven't doved it into. I haven't diven dove, dived, 1385 02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:03,959 dived divin, I haven't gotten into the depths of Heidiger. What do you 1386 02:20:03,959 --> 02:20:09,280 think about phenomenology? I had two classes on phenomenology. I did get pretty 1387 02:20:09,319 --> 02:20:15,719 deep into Hostserle. There's some interesting things there. Is it compatible with orthodoxy? 1388 02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:20,520 I view it as that I don't see death as necessary. Well, 1389 02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:24,239 I'm not sure what you mean, because even though it's not necessary, it's 1390 02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:30,639 still a reality. So there's different types of necessity, right, So there's 1391 02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:37,680 necessity and then like Leibniz speaks of necessity x hypotheside, which is a necessity. 1392 02:20:37,719 --> 02:20:43,399 That's a different type of necessity. So Kristen five dollars. All this 1393 02:20:43,559 --> 02:20:50,360 gay Matria talk has me requesting that you seeing seven by Prince interesting. I 1394 02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:56,239 am open to that. But we got to see if there is a karaoke 1395 02:20:56,440 --> 02:21:05,920 version, and I'll have to probably all seven then will watch them fall standing 1396 02:21:05,959 --> 02:21:11,360 away of loving We will smoke them all with an intellect and the Savoy fair, 1397 02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:18,719 the one in the whole universe will never compare. I am yours now 1398 02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:24,879 you are mining to get with love through space and time, So don't cry. 1399 02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:33,120 One day all seven we'll die. How's that? I don't even need 1400 02:21:33,159 --> 02:21:39,319 the backups. I don't even need them coroque machines. So there is a 1401 02:21:39,440 --> 02:21:43,360 karaoke version, but I'm afraid if I play it, see the thing. 1402 02:21:43,399 --> 02:21:50,879 What the karaoke versions is? You never know if it's gonna ding the thing 1403 02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:56,479 or not. For whatever reason, Mac Morrison, Return of the Mac whatever 1404 02:21:56,520 --> 02:22:00,719 is Mark Moore what his name is? That doesn't ding the thing? So 1405 02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:03,879 for whatever reason, you can play it forever. But a lot of these 1406 02:22:05,079 --> 02:22:11,600 karroke versions will y'all need to go learn about the theory onsy, you can 1407 02:22:11,639 --> 02:22:15,799 become a birdman. Even though you can't fly, you can become a birdman. 1408 02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:22,719 So but Kristen, if by chance the karrokee doesn't ding the thing, 1409 02:22:22,799 --> 02:22:28,040 I'll do it on the regular because, by the way, do not get 1410 02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:33,799 your eschatology from Prince. Okay, So even though I like Prince, we 1411 02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:39,799 don't want to get any of our eschatological views from the crazy nonsense of Prince's 1412 02:22:39,799 --> 02:22:43,600 seven. That's that's some heterodox madness right there arena twenty five dollars. Thank 1413 02:22:43,639 --> 02:22:46,319 you so much. That's a nice fat super chat. Appreciate that very much, 1414 02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:52,559 romy five dollars. How do you know music is being used in mk 1415 02:22:52,879 --> 02:22:56,920 ultra. How do I know music's being used? Well, I don't know 1416 02:22:56,959 --> 02:23:01,559 that. I claimed music is being used in him Kiltra, but I do 1417 02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:07,600 think we've talked about it before. I mean mcaultra is a vast number of 1418 02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:16,159 studies, projects, fronts, experiments done at universities, psychiatric institutions, prisons, 1419 02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:24,200 military institutions. I mean it's vast and they studied all kinds of stuff. 1420 02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:30,920 So they were interested, for example, in studying LSD that kind of 1421 02:23:30,920 --> 02:23:39,360 stuff. Anentheagen's Gordon Wasson and his Russian wife. They were interested in sleep 1422 02:23:39,360 --> 02:23:48,159 studies with the Harry, the psycho serial killer guy from Australia that we talked 1423 02:23:48,159 --> 02:23:52,479 about. Harry what's his face that did all the sleep research at the mk 1424 02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:56,079 Ultra facility in Australia, which a big sleep institute, and he ended up 1425 02:23:56,159 --> 02:24:00,319 killing a bunch of people because he was doing sleep experiments, putting able to 1426 02:24:00,559 --> 02:24:03,520 uh right at the edge of death and then bringing them back, which if 1427 02:24:03,559 --> 02:24:09,399 you watch that Netflix show what's it called The AO or whatever with that Britton 1428 02:24:09,399 --> 02:24:15,959 Marling chick who's like in every weird like for a while there, every weird 1429 02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:20,639 sci fi movie had her in it, remember that the No the OA excuse 1430 02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:26,920 me? And this would have been such a good show. It was like 1431 02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:33,440 on the verge of being a great show. If they had not ended the 1432 02:24:33,479 --> 02:24:37,440 season one with that stupid ass dance. I mean, this would have been 1433 02:24:37,479 --> 02:24:41,600 one of the best TV shows of all time. Seriously, if they had 1434 02:24:41,639 --> 02:24:48,280 not done that stupid ass dance makes me so mad. What happened to the 1435 02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:50,280 camera? Can y'all see me? Or did it cut out? What's going 1436 02:24:50,319 --> 02:25:03,959 on? It says, excellent connection? Did it cut out? Can y'all 1437 02:25:03,959 --> 02:25:07,360 see me? I can't tell it because the okay now it says it's back. 1438 02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:18,120 Yeah, this was such a good show. And uh anyway, basically 1439 02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:20,799 every movie she's in there's like another dimension with her in it. It's like 1440 02:25:22,440 --> 02:25:26,360 she's in like seven movies with some weird metaphysical shit going crazy. She should 1441 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:31,200 She's basically like the sci fi version of Alice in Wonderland. It's like whatever 1442 02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:37,120 movie she's in is that's what's happening. You know what I mean. Yeah, 1443 02:25:37,479 --> 02:25:41,920 so and then what she goes into other dimensions. I mean, it's 1444 02:25:41,959 --> 02:25:45,319 just crazy, she goes into older diment. I actually thought it was a 1445 02:25:45,319 --> 02:25:52,799 great show until that stupid dance scene to prevent the shooting event. I thought, 1446 02:25:52,799 --> 02:25:56,840 I thought that was so stupid. And imagine me being really invested in 1447 02:25:56,879 --> 02:26:01,319 the show. It wasn't that long, eight episodes maybe for the first season, 1448 02:26:03,399 --> 02:26:05,799 and I mean it was great, Like she gets kidnapped by this mk 1449 02:26:05,959 --> 02:26:11,399 uldra doctor and he's got her in this facility and are they going to get 1450 02:26:11,399 --> 02:26:13,319 out? And they're putting people to the point of death and bringing them back. 1451 02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:26,000 It's probably been influenced by that uh serial killer in Australia. I cannot 1452 02:26:26,200 --> 02:26:35,840 remember his name, but we've covered him multiple times now. He's actually a 1453 02:26:35,879 --> 02:26:43,159 serial killer because he killed a bunch of these people with us. Harry it's 1454 02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:56,079 not Harry Ball, Harry Bailey, that's him. Yeah, this is him. 1455 02:26:56,159 --> 02:27:03,440 A bunch of people died twenty committed suicide and then he also unalived as 1456 02:27:03,479 --> 02:27:09,040 well when he got discovered. So basically, this dude is like the uh. 1457 02:27:09,559 --> 02:27:13,559 I forget that British actor's name, but he's the bad guy and this 1458 02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:20,079 guy right here in the OA, remember in the first season, So I'm 1459 02:27:20,079 --> 02:27:26,120 trying to I cannot remember this dude's name. He's like an evil looking version 1460 02:27:26,159 --> 02:27:37,200 of Timothy Dalton. Anyway, I don't know. We're way off course. 1461 02:27:37,239 --> 02:27:46,280 I'm rambling now. Let's see next up Snagglebe's five dollars. Why is a 1462 02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:52,719 raven like a writing desk? Well, it's the wordplay, right, because 1463 02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:58,680 both begin phonetically with rah, even though they're totally different letters. Thank you 1464 02:27:58,719 --> 02:28:03,000 for edumacating us actly, storm the cat five dollars? Do you think Merlin 1465 02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:09,799 would be a spy in Mare Times? H if you read the Third Space 1466 02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:15,040 trilogy? But by C. S. Lewis Uh. They bring Merlin back 1467 02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:18,680 and he's like that part's funny, dude, because he's like if you remember 1468 02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:26,239 when they bring him back and England is run by the Tavistock Technocrat Institute, 1469 02:28:26,319 --> 02:28:28,959 right, and he's like these people are evil, people are ruling us. 1470 02:28:28,959 --> 02:28:33,360 And Merlin's like, call the Emperor Byzantium to come help us, and he's 1471 02:28:33,440 --> 02:28:37,520 like they're like, bro, there's no Emperor Byzantium. And then he's like, 1472 02:28:39,159 --> 02:28:41,719 then call the King of England. They're like he ain't gonna help, 1473 02:28:41,799 --> 02:28:46,440 dude, trust me storm the cat five dollars do a cultus in real life 1474 02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:52,479 use magic wands? Yeah, it's the it's a representation of the fallus. 1475 02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:58,120 So what is their purpose? Well, the idea is that as a representation 1476 02:28:58,239 --> 02:29:05,879 of my foul us, the magic wand uh is a thing to channel and 1477 02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:13,239 direct energy. So just just watch Harry Potter, bro watch, go watch 1478 02:29:13,239 --> 02:29:18,959 Harry, because he's over there with his uh basically slinging his dingling everywhere is 1479 02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:22,760 what it is. Then you start saying, well, how does Hermione have 1480 02:29:22,799 --> 02:29:26,760 a have a dingaling? Exactly exactly? I'm not sure why do women? 1481 02:29:28,239 --> 02:29:31,239 If the wand is a phallus, then what's Harmione doing over there with a 1482 02:29:31,319 --> 02:29:37,719 dangling anyway? Ortho ka tech five dollars. A Eurocentric world is talked about 1483 02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:41,440 by John Ruskin and Cecil Roads. Seems like the mainstream history. Even Oswald 1484 02:29:41,479 --> 02:29:46,520 Spangler talks about this correct exactly he does. History doesn't begin in Europe, 1485 02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:52,559 yes, agreed. Making the Usa is a is a continuous outworking of Rome 1486 02:29:52,879 --> 02:29:58,639 in Greek history. Yeah, that's a good point. Each country has its 1487 02:29:58,680 --> 02:30:03,799 own history. For the experimental Enlightenment nation of America, which is intended to 1488 02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:13,399 be that Rosa Crucian Francis Bacon, New Atlantis exactly. So we came full 1489 02:30:13,440 --> 02:30:18,319 circle there. Oh, by the way, I got another little side treat 1490 02:30:18,799 --> 02:30:24,639 for y'all that will be coming up soon to do analysis of. And that 1491 02:30:24,879 --> 02:30:39,639 is so I stumbled upon this book that I did not know was a John 1492 02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:43,120 Lecarrey novel. So I found this book at the bookstore and I was like, 1493 02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:50,200 this looks good, and I didn't realize that they'd already made this into 1494 02:30:50,239 --> 02:30:56,559 a show. And perhaps some of you over the past five or six years 1495 02:30:56,399 --> 02:31:01,000 had mentioned this to me and I forgot. I don't know, this was 1496 02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:05,000 pretty wild. So have you guys watched Little Drummer Girl. It's only one 1497 02:31:05,079 --> 02:31:13,000 season and it's got freaking scars Guard and by the way, he has scars 1498 02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:18,360 on his back, so he's literally scars guard in this show Florence Pugh and 1499 02:31:18,399 --> 02:31:28,319 Michael Shannon, and it's all about this massade hit team operation that John Lecaray 1500 02:31:28,360 --> 02:31:35,120 wrote about. It's fiction fiction in nineteen eighty two. And of course, 1501 02:31:35,440 --> 02:31:39,479 as you guys know, lacar A was actual five and I six British intelligence 1502 02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:48,959 operative. So the lacare stories are actually real world ish spy stories, far 1503 02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:54,760 more realistic than Bond stories. Right, even though Ian Fleming yes puts some 1504 02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:58,840 truth in all the Bond stories. What lacar A wanted to do was be 1505 02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:03,639 the anti Bond, right, so he wanted to make his spy stories be 1506 02:32:03,639 --> 02:32:11,639 super realistic. And man, oh man, I was not expecting what all 1507 02:32:11,719 --> 02:32:16,120 was in this. Now. They only made one season, which I assume 1508 02:32:16,360 --> 02:32:18,840 tells the story of the novel, so I don't know what. Maybe they 1509 02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:22,479 thought there would be multiple seasons if it was a big hit. I never 1510 02:32:22,520 --> 02:32:26,879 even heard of this, which is odd because I follow a lot of spy 1511 02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:33,680 story fiction. But those of you in this audience who enjoy this type of 1512 02:32:33,719 --> 02:32:37,760 material, you gotta watch this one because John Leacaara tells us a lot in 1513 02:32:37,799 --> 02:32:43,360 this And by the way, who I don't even know of any other spy 1514 02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:48,520 stories about massade teams. That's very rare. Now there have been more of 1515 02:32:48,559 --> 02:32:58,639 these massade team movies of recent time. So what's what's the check from National 1516 02:32:58,639 --> 02:33:03,840 Treasure? Who's Nicholas Cage's wife and National Church? I just went blank? 1517 02:33:05,559 --> 02:33:13,600 Kruman Diane Krugman, Okay, she's in a recent movie about Masad. Helen 1518 02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:24,440 Mirren was in a recent movie about Massad, and then uh Gal Gadot is 1519 02:33:24,440 --> 02:33:28,040 in a movie about Massad, which that makes perfect sense because I mean she 1520 02:33:28,159 --> 02:33:33,360 was in IDF. Yes, obviously Munich. Now what's interesting is that Lacare's 1521 02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:41,040 Little Drummer Girl takes place a few years after Munich, and this is a 1522 02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:50,120 Masad team that wants revenge for the Munich event. So Michael Shannon plays the 1523 02:33:50,200 --> 02:34:03,639 Masad team handler Scarsguard is the raven, the recruit Florence Pugh, who's an 1524 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:11,319 actress. So how did I And by the way, the point of the 1525 02:34:11,360 --> 02:34:18,000 novel is terror is theater and how did I not hear about this? I'm 1526 02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:22,239 like, how did I not know about this presentation? Anyway, so we're 1527 02:34:22,239 --> 02:34:26,239 gonna do coverage of this. I took I think three pages of notes. 1528 02:34:26,520 --> 02:34:28,959 I watched the entire series. It's not actually that long. It's more like 1529 02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:33,120 a mini series. It's not a TV show. It's like five or six 1530 02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:37,639 episodes or something. Anyway, Wow, this was like very revelatory, and 1531 02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:45,920 the President that this version of it is excellent. It's an AMC did it. 1532 02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:50,879 So I think what I need to do is maybe we should, Maybe 1533 02:34:50,879 --> 02:34:54,440 we should just do an episode on Masad spy shows or something, because we 1534 02:34:54,479 --> 02:35:00,559 haven't done that, and I don't know if I guess there's enough in this 1535 02:35:00,639 --> 02:35:03,079 one to do a whole podcast on this if you wanted to, because it 1536 02:35:03,079 --> 02:35:07,319 gets pretty deep into the Israel Gaza conflict. In fact, at one point, 1537 02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:13,719 Scarsguard's character even says the British Mandate caused all of this. That's exactly 1538 02:35:13,799 --> 02:35:20,000 what I said on my quickly analysis. And let's see, what's that gal 1539 02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:33,280 Gado spy movie. I can't remember the name of it. I think it's 1540 02:35:33,319 --> 02:35:37,920 this one Heart of Stone. I think this is it. Yeah, I'm 1541 02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:41,600 pretty sure that's it. By the way, she looks so much like Jamie, 1542 02:35:41,639 --> 02:35:46,639 It's crazy, Jamie. Are you a Massad agent? Are you a 1543 02:35:46,799 --> 02:35:52,520 SAD agent? You look like Galgado? Uh? I assume this is a 1544 02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:56,559 massade story. I don't even know what this is about. She plays Rachel 1545 02:35:56,639 --> 02:36:01,840 Stone, the only intelligence operative who stands between I mean, her global peacekeeping 1546 02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:09,760 organization and the loss of everything valuable the asset code named Heart. Okay, 1547 02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,840 I don't know. That might just be a generic spy story. Anyway. 1548 02:36:13,399 --> 02:36:26,879 Let's see, so the reason this is Another reason the original point of what 1549 02:36:26,879 --> 02:36:31,840 I'm talking about here is fascinating is that this deals with the history of the 1550 02:36:31,879 --> 02:36:41,200 PLO, and we have not actually delved much into the PLO and their history 1551 02:36:41,239 --> 02:36:48,799 and all of this. And I'm assuming that is the predecessor to what's going 1552 02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:56,239 on pre Hamas. Right, so before we had Hamas created in the seventies, 1553 02:36:56,280 --> 02:37:05,040 I think by Israel, by the way we had the PLO and the 1554 02:37:05,079 --> 02:37:07,680 way they presented PLO. And this is pretty wild. I mean, this 1555 02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:11,200 is this. This is an excellent series, is what I'm trying to say. 1556 02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,319 But I wanted to remember exactly when he wrote this novel, because I 1557 02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:18,920 thought this was a more recent novel. No it turns out he wrote this 1558 02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:30,399 in nineteen freaking eighty three. And by the way, I mean, you 1559 02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:37,000 could, like you could just read these lacar A novels and pretty much figure 1560 02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:41,239 out how the world really works. That's what's blowing me away. And by 1561 02:37:41,239 --> 02:37:45,760 the way, he's not I'm not saying laca A is like a bays trad 1562 02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:50,319 dude. He's not. In many ways. He's a contradictory figure. And 1563 02:37:50,639 --> 02:37:54,719 probably many people from the espionage world are going to be contradictory figures. But 1564 02:37:56,920 --> 02:38:01,840 why is he a contradictory figure, Well, because he he has this bizarre 1565 02:38:05,639 --> 02:38:07,840 and maybe it's because he's like, is he a boomer like a little he's 1566 02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:11,680 like an older boomer, right, He's more like a he's like the edge 1567 02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:16,760 of boomer and greatest generation. So maybe it's because lacar A has this, 1568 02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:24,479 uh fixation on democracy. Right. So it's like he's got this fixation on 1569 02:38:24,520 --> 02:38:28,559 democracy which clouds his vision on a lot of areas, and then he turns 1570 02:38:28,559 --> 02:38:33,639 around and gets a whole bunch of other things. Correct. H. So 1571 02:38:33,879 --> 02:38:37,639 you know when we watch a lot of these movies that are based on Lacary's 1572 02:38:37,639 --> 02:38:43,239 stories, they're very revelatory. The Orson Wells one, right, The Spy 1573 02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:50,719 Who Came In from the Cold very revelatory about Cold War dialectics. The last 1574 02:38:50,879 --> 02:38:58,840 Philip Seymour Hoffman movie with Rachel McAdams, what's it called A Something Man? 1575 02:39:00,440 --> 02:39:26,239 I just gonent blank, also very relatory. I just I'm trying to remember 1576 02:39:26,239 --> 02:39:31,840 that freaking I never remember that, which means it's not a very well named 1577 02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:45,559 movie if I can never remember the name of that spy movie Most Wanted Man. 1578 02:39:46,079 --> 02:39:54,040 That is also a Lacari story. I know, my umber la la 1579 02:39:54,360 --> 02:40:07,239 la. Yeah. So remember if you want movies that actually reveal how the 1580 02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:09,840 world really works from the spy domain, I mean, yes, kind of 1581 02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:13,360 James Bond, but those are kind of silly too, but this one is 1582 02:40:13,719 --> 02:40:18,280 real, okay. And also it turns out Little Drummer Girl, which somehow 1583 02:40:18,319 --> 02:40:24,760 I totally missed. But that makes me think that pretty much all of Lacari's 1584 02:40:24,799 --> 02:40:28,040 stories are going to be relatory anyway, So we should do like a Masad 1585 02:40:28,360 --> 02:40:33,120 edition where we take some of these Masad stories, because there's not actually a 1586 02:40:33,159 --> 02:40:39,040 whole lot of these. But let's see fool's hope a dollar. How do 1587 02:40:39,079 --> 02:40:45,840 you react to the claim of Marxist that conscious man is finite in a material 1588 02:40:46,079 --> 02:40:50,840 phenomenological product of the senses. Well, I mean, I think we have 1589 02:40:52,239 --> 02:40:56,520 plenty of materialist critiques on this channel, so you could search and try to 1590 02:40:56,559 --> 02:41:01,360 find some of those, but I mean, it's a self refuting thing that 1591 02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:05,799 you'd be the determinist fallacy of the naturalist fallacy that if a man is merely 1592 02:41:05,879 --> 02:41:11,959 a determined emergent property of matter, which, by the way, emergent emergentism 1593 02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:16,319 is actually intended to refute materialism, which is ironic because people like Matt Dila 1594 02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:20,319 Honey. This is something the FDA pointed out. People like Matt Delahunty don't 1595 02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:26,120 even know that emergentism is a reputation of materialism in physicalism, and he tries 1596 02:41:26,159 --> 02:41:31,159 to use emergentism as his position about consciousness, which is dumb. But I 1597 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:37,239 mean it's self refuting. If matter is a purely determined phenomena of causal chain, 1598 02:41:37,360 --> 02:41:41,799 as we saw with the novel, then you could never know it because 1599 02:41:41,799 --> 02:41:46,319 you're not knowing or learning any truth or any true things. You're actually just 1600 02:41:46,360 --> 02:41:50,639 discovering. What you think is a discovery is just a determined chemical process. 1601 02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:54,959 So there is no true or false. There's just what is Adriel a five 1602 02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:58,040 dollars I was debating with my friend. He says that time is infinite. 1603 02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:01,280 Well, I don't know, how do you know that or how would you 1604 02:42:01,399 --> 02:42:05,120 prove or demonstrate that time is infinite? So first of all, ask him 1605 02:42:05,159 --> 02:42:09,680 how he knows that, and how he proves that all material possibilities have already 1606 02:42:09,719 --> 02:42:15,799 happened and will continue to happen forever. Okay, these are giant metaphysical leaps. 1607 02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:20,719 Okay, So he's making all these vast metaphysical claims. So the first 1608 02:42:20,719 --> 02:42:24,040 thing you want to do in critiquing this person is to say, whoa whoa 1609 02:42:24,159 --> 02:42:26,959 dude? First of all, how do you know that? What does that 1610 02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:31,680 even mean? How do you demonstrate that these are giant leaps? He says, 1611 02:42:31,879 --> 02:42:37,600 energy takes the path of least resistance, So all seemingly transcendent laws of 1612 02:42:37,639 --> 02:42:43,159 the universe or energy paths taking these Again, this is all you're letting him 1613 02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:46,200 have too much, Like he doesn't know any of that. He needs to 1614 02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:52,360 justify these claims. These are just assertions, like grand metaphysical assertions. So 1615 02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:56,360 call him back to the basics of how do you know any of these claims? 1616 02:42:56,440 --> 02:43:00,000 How do you know anything at all? First explain to me how you 1617 02:43:00,079 --> 02:43:03,879 can have knowledge at all. Then we can talk about your magical fairy stories 1618 02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:11,760 of scientism metaphysics here that you have anyway, Thank you guys. Be sure 1619 02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:16,000 also at support FDA if you are so inclined. 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