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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Escape Cast. It's episode fifty

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one. We're officially in the back
half of our first hundred, as they

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say, the double the quad centennial. Are you middle aged the podcast fifty

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one? Middle aged these days?
I think so? Yeah, I think

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it's still what does it start?
Middle age? Yeah? I don't know

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the hill? Forty? Shit?
Is it forty forty? Over the hill?

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I want to be middle aged.
I'd rather be middle aged than Actually,

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no, I'm enjoying my thirties quite
a lot. It's all good pretty

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much. That age is special.
Didn't get old and like everything breaks need

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to die? How we started the
podcast here? Hey, folks, how's

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it going. Welcome to the world's
most positive video game pod cast. I'm

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Mike. That's Dan Hi, that's
Mary Hi. Episode fifty one. Last

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week, well two weeks ago.
Last episode, we decided the best video

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game remake of all time. Will
at least have some more to say about

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that argument. It's instantly out of
date, but we'll get to that.

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I disagreed, whoa respectfully whoa?
Okay, we will get to that in

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the game six. I'm conflicted about
it. This is the first you told

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me that, all right, is
the earliest we've talked about video games.

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Which remember last time when I tried
to bring up video games and Mike was

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bottle and he shoved it up my
ass. He did it again, do

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it with a weird voice. That
was a weird voice. So he took

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it and he shoved it up my
ass. What his character? It's like

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Christopher walk in light I think,
okay, he took a solf and yawn.

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I said, I'm I'm not oh
guy, but I'll try anything once.

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I don't do voices. I stopped
doing voices a long time ago.

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Anyway, I don't do characters.
Don't do that. Yeah, what you

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guys been up to? What's new? The old Christopher walking wine butt sugar

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is a good character, though,
Like, yeah, oh, I thought

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I thought it would be a closed
bottle of wine. I didn't think he

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was chugging in. Okay, if
there's a bottle of wine being inserted into

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my ass, you better believe it's
uncorked. I guess. And then I'm

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like Marin Monroe died, is it? I don't think that. I think

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I'm just complained. That's no,
no, no, no no no.

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I think I'm complaining that she died
of drug stuff and also was known to

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put drugs in her ass. I
don't think she died of putting a wine

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bottle of her ass. Yeah,
I say, drugs in your ass is

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very different than wine bottles in your
ass. She didn't do that. I

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think I'm right about that. The
drugs in their ass. Yeah, I

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don't. I can't see that happening, Sure I don't. But you can't

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just assume that that's wine. That's
a leap of faith. And I can't

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get that her overdose death was from
a butt drug thing. It might have

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just been a normal round of the
middle drug time like mouth or nose or

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whatever. People don't do drugs.
I drink. You're just you're just on

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the tip of all the different ways
that you can ingest. You got your

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mouth, you got your nose,
all that you can do, the arms,

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the syringes, I don't think.
But it's all up for grabs.

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But again, I don't think a
lot of people put drugs like in there

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like dick or vagina? Did they
do? But like if you got a

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hole, so there's drunk got a
hole? But what my powders pole.

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You can't you can't inhale through your
No, I'm saying you can't inhale through

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your butt hole either, But people
do it. Speak for yourself, buddy,

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it's it's a Kurby mouth. Yeah, what is it? Big mode?

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What? What was it? The
most reason one? Oh, when

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he can become like a car fu
mode? What was it? I don't

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know. I just walk into a
car dealership, start sucking all the corvettes

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up my ass I have, and
you walk out and then drive off the

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lot with my wheel arms. Let
him wait, Gold's amazing, two legs

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through the sunroof. The cops are
like, he's good, just just let

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him go. Comes up to give
me a ticket, and I suck him

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into my ass, and I become
the sheriff. The sheriff and no law

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specifically against that, I guess.
Yeah, if you suck the cop up

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your ass, you would like smash
brother style, get the police hate show

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me the law. Yeah, it's
the Mario thing infiltrate the cops from within

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the kids, cappy, But it's
the hat is on your butt, right,

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Yeah, that's I guess that's right. Yeah. Then and then when

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the DA comes to my office,
I just suck her up my ass too,

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And then I'm the DA for New
York. Where does it end?

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The president? The president? Oh
my god, you suck Joe Biden up

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your asshole coming up, Mike,
Joe, all the candidate. You're gonna

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miss the president being at the debate
and just sucking up every person in my

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ass. You're just like you do
like a dog butt scoot thing going up

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on stage, just sucking up all
the candidate. Mister president. No,

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then there's no like, there's no
Winders of Cooper, all the moderators.

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There's a Cooper's like, well,
I guess this one is also for the

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the DA from New York. Mister
Mhardy, what are you? What are

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your thoughts on the questions? Now? Yeah, I don't I don't know.

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I don't have a good answer,
So I just suck Anderson Cooper up

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my ass too. You got gray
hair, you got white hair? Ye?

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Yeah, everyone's upset, but then
you like sucking. Putting an end

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to war and everyone's like, we
love him. He's doing it. He's

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ending wars, starting peace, yea
Mary. At some point it's just gonna

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be galaxies and clouds and stuff soon. I think this is how Lincoln took

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office. I think you have similar
story is yeah, you just did that

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to like Rutherford B. Hayes or
whoever he was up against. What's the

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what's the weird coincidental thing? It's
like John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln in a

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theater, then Rando a warehouse,
and then Lee Harvey Oswald sucked JK into

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his ass. That's right, Yeah, from Jack Ruby sucked Oswald into his

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ass. And then yeah, that's
why the FBI couldn't find anybody. Uh,

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Hoover himself was sucked into someone's ass
at some point. We don't know

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who. That's what I call a
grassy null. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, No, I don't,
Yeah, I'm I get you.

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Don't worry. We're on the same
wave length enhanced the area fifty one was

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all just ass sucking roswell, Well, I think we don't talk about it.

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It's a dark part in America's past. This was all American history we

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talked about. Well, no,
not putin no, no, Well it's

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I'm learned. And Alexander wept for
them. There were no more people left

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to suck into his ass. Remember
when Reagan sucked the Berlin wall into his

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asshole, and then Neil Armstrong sucked
the moon into his ass Yes, I

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was going, what a hero the
Delaware River. I can't believe he faked

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the moon's sucking. We fucked up
in Vietnam because we just couldn't suck anything

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up our asses there right working?
Yeah? Yeah, ah, So what's

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up? So what's up? Yeah? Yeah? What are we? What

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are we up to? What's going
on? I don't think I have any

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news since last episode, life news
or anything life news. I've got a

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what what have I been doing?
Seeing how much? Got fitted for a

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mobility aid. He's got a little
he's got a little wheelchair. He's killing

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it. Wait but like permanently.
Yeah, it's gonna be definitely something he

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uses on walks. His back left
legs are just like not lifting very well.

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It's a dog thing. It happens
m like hip displacia. It is

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basically scoliosis. So he's like has
some back issues. It's causing his like

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back left legs to not be able
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And so we're putting him in a
little mobility aid and he's scouting all around

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the house. It's so it's so
wild, like he's gone from like I

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guess I'll just sit my whole life
too. I'm a puppy. I'm everybody,

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watch out, I'm moving stuff over
the house. Let's go on a

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walk. I mean, it's like
it's like breathe new life into him.

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I'm stoked. So his energy is
not affected. It's just like now you

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can actually just move around the way
it's affected. It's up. It's all

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the way to the moon. He's
crazy. He's having a great time with

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it. It's been like a really
wild experience just to see him be excited

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again because now he can run and
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watching a dog have zoomis is so
important. And I know you like

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know that feeling Dan like when your
dogs are Zumi. You know they're happy.

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You know that they're oh yeah,
living life undeniable. The tails are

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just going nuts and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Getting him back out there

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has been like super fun. So
the only problem is is they fitted him

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and it's too narrow because he's such
a potato. They had to buy an

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extender for his wheelchair, so we
had to widen it and we fitted him

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for it, and it's still not
wide enough, so we have to get

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a mixture extender. Well it's a
good thing. He's a dog, so

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he's dumb, so he can't like, you know, get offended by that

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or anything. He does not know. He doesn't give a shit. He

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can just move. He is a
wide boy. He no idea. He

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cruises by by the howlds Hey,
yeah he's seven. Um yeah, he

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cruises by the shuffleboard court. He's
like, yeah, ladies, I got

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an extender and that peels out so
wide and then all the girls are like,

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he's so wide? Is that wide? Boys? That wide boys?

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We call him? Do you have
to like, uh, so do you

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take him out every once in a
while when he's home or now? Uh

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you mean like he wouldn't he obviously
when he sleeps, he you would take

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him out of them totally. Yeah, it's only like when he goes on

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extended uh walks. So like even
around the house, he kind of just

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uh kind of just kind of just
functions like he like he stands, but

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they're like dragging a little bit.
So he's fine around the house. Yeah,

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but outside with like sidewalks and like
you probably see it, like everyone

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a while someone's like there's like glass
or like somebody's like dropped something like you

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just don't want his legs scraping across
the ground. So it's walks now.

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But he's totally functional in the house. So yeah, it's an interesting adaptation

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for him and for me. And
like you said, he has no mental

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he has no stigma, he does
not understand. He's stoked to run,

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he's thrilled. And for me,
it's like more of a learning opportunity where

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I'm like, oh, he's having
a great time. This is good for

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everybody. So it's been a really
like positive experience genuine as far as he

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knows he can move around again,
so like that's that's great, And I'm

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sure he's having a blast with it
as far as he's aware. He's getting

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more attention because we're putting his body
in a sling and he's like everyone's focused

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on me. It's been nothing.
Yeah, I mean, he loves it.

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He's in physical therapy too, which
is hilarious for a dog because we put

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a lot of time and energy into
this pup because he's ours and we care

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about him a lot. But it's
just really funny to have a physical therapist

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come to my house with cones and
sticks and all these things and a bag

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of treats, and then she guides
him through this labyrinth of things to get

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him to lift his back legs because
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And the whole time he's just like
this, amazing. I'm getting a

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shit tone of treats and all you're
asking me to do is like zigzag around

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these coness. He couldn't be happier. That's awesome. Yeah, it's been

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going really well for him. Do
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like hydrotherapy or is it all at
home? It's been all at home.

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I think that's actually why I really
like this system is that I don't have

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to bring him into a vet,
which I don't know how your pets are,

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but when I take my dog anywhere
near the vicinity of a vet,

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he starts shaking and freaking out.
He hates the vet because she comes to

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us. He doesn't associate her with
a vet. He associates her with a

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bag of treats and like getting food
in his house. Yeah, yeah,

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he loves it. He's like when
she comes, he's like, oh,

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I'm getting stuff. I mean,
if somebody came to my house every once,

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Moms gave me a bunch of star
Wars, I'd probably like that person

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too. Starburst or the dogs in
an obstacle course in your living room,

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that'd be awesome. I'd be having
a blast of that. That'd be great.

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Dog you're all MOPy right around.
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all the time. I wouldn't even
do an enough to tell me yeah,

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okay, yeah, just opened my
mouth and throws Starburst at me. It

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would be Starburst. Uh yeah,
that's the number one thing to eat.

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You know. It's we're coming up
on Easter. So our grocery store check

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out, you know how they trap
you while you're waiting in line the Cagary

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eggs. Yes, so not like
a typical bigger grocery store where it's like

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the different conveyor belt aisles where they
stack them. Um, it's like it's

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about relatively small or at least tightly
packed grocery store. But yeah, there's

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a whole shelf like the length of
where you wait in line, and yeah,

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Cadberry eggs, there's the Little Reese's
peanut butter cups in the shape of

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eggs, and they come in bags
and they're individually wrapped in foil. And

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I sat down with one a bag
the other night, and like, I

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was, like, I have like
twenty the ones with the shells. I

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haven't really thought about this, but
Easter, I you know, look as

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a kid or now, getting a
big ass basket of assorted candies and stuff

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like that is undeniably a positive.
But in terms of Easter candies and the

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varieties, I think, like,
clearly Halloween's gotta be just in terms of

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sheer variety, and because like or
the ones that are that are specific to

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the holidays, Let's let's do it
that way, because maybe that's more fair.

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feel like there are more specific east

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like I think Halloween as anything goes
an maybe that's why I like it,

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because Easter is specific. Like this
is not opinion, Dan. One of

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these is like inspired by religion and
you get like some candy in a basket,

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and the other one is like dress
up as a freak and run around

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to get candy from strangers and you
can get as much as you want as

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you can fill into the pillowcase,
like Halloween being the best, right,

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Halloween's the best? Not up for
debate. Halloween as a holiday, I

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like more? Is that what we're
saying? Are we talking about the candy?

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Let this narrowed down universally? Okay, the let's say, okay,

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okay, obviously universally, Halloween wins. It's the more fun holiday, It's

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got the wider variety of candies.
But let's just put the Easter specific candies

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and stables to the Halloween specifics,
because like, what are the hallows?

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What we like? Candy corn,
which is kind of like I don't mind

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candy corn, but a fan,
but that you don't put that in a

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bag that's offensive bag like my case, my pillowcase or whatever. Yeah,

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you don't put candy corn in this. Someone pour loose candy corn in your

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pillowcase when you're a kid. That's
wrong. Didn't wait no, did they

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do that? Not me? Then? Why you complaining about it? Because

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he brought it up as a candy
problem. It doesn't come up. It

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comes in little prepackaged bags or a
big bag that you put into a ball

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in your house. Nobody likes into
my suitcase, my suitcase, money right,

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why they do? Okay, never
mind, let's move past it.

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Okay, a classic chicken and egg
it doesn't come up, which means it

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shouldn't be associated with Halloween. I
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Ways, but those are but those
are universal. Could be Easter too,

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that's those are universal. Candy A
specific candies that like you know, candy

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corner I think is one, what
is another? Like I don't think I've

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ever bottle caps outside of Halloween,
Like I know they exist, just like

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Wonka candy. You could consider those
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I don't know for having the right. Reese's pumpkins, yeah, but they

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have rest but but they have Rec's
uh like bunnies, so they do literally

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the same a weird ratio because a
bun is a weird shape. But pump

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can you at least get that big
center, which is they got the most

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the peanut butter, and they got
the eggs as are good. But like

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outside of candy corn, I'm probably
blanking and Amanda's probably about to like she's

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rolling or not integrate Carmel, those
caramel apple pops. I hate those candy

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apples. Your teeth hurt. Those
are more like a I'm thinking candy,

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specifically packaged candy, candy car You've
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You've also got Cadberry cream eggs.
Cadbury cream eggs are wildly good.

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Marsmaal. Peeps sucks shit. Oh
you got to put them in the freezer.

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Then they get really good texture.
They're chewy as hell. Okay,

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that's the that's my hack with peeps. What do I think you used to?

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I always thinking the big ass hollow
bunnies, the chocolate bunnies. Those

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are just way too big and just
flavorless chocolate or just like such like they're

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like cheapy chocolate. When you're a
kid, it's really cool to get a

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big bunny in your basket. But
as your age, as you mature,

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yes, I find I would like
a smaller bunny of good chocolate caliber solid

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put a bag of skittles over all
that just god pillows into my mouth.

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Yeah, I am having the most. I have not used this wrinkle in

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my brain in a long time.
What are these called the skeleton hard candy?

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That there are different parts of their
like here's the arm and it's like

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it's a sweet teart type of texture. Right, they're hard. I haven't

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thought of those. You can kind
of together and wiggly. Yeah, oh

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jesus, oh shit, sweethearts,
Oh Jesus. Oh fuck. I associate

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Smarties with Halloween. They're not a
Halloween candy, but I just associate them

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SweeTarts as well. Mister goodbar and
Crackle. I don't think I've ever had

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one of those outside of Halloween,
but I've had a billion of them around

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Halloween. The tiny ones. Yeah, um, there's like like kit cats

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that they do, like special Halloween
versions like witches brew and shit like that.

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Oh fuck. I think there is
more specific Easter candy, though there

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is, because Halloween's anything goes It's
true, true, But like is that

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Halloween is that like a debate because
I would still prefer all of like the

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candy that I get with Halloween than
the Easter candy, even though it's associated

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Easter candy, like you can shape
anything into a bunny. I still prefer

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Starburst. Yeah, you know,
would fucking blow my nips off if I

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go If I went up to a
house with a pillowcase. It's a trick

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a treat and someone just pours cadburry
cream eggs into my bag. Just awesome

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caramel sauce. But on a second
level, they're probably pretty stale April to

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October. That's not that bad for
candy chocolate, is it? How does

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chocolate have a expiration? Is?
Eventually it is chocolate. I don't want

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to say it. You can just
move on. I was gonna take chocolate

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dairy. I was gonna say that
if that's a dumb milk chocolate, move

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right past it. I don't think
so by the name milk chocolate as dairy

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in it, but it's not like
a part of the food group, and

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most like, I don't think most
chocolate outside of milk chocolate has dairy Okay,

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I think you'd have to have a
substantial amount of chocolate for it to

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like fuck up your dairy people,
because it's not a lot of milk in

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chocolate. Does dark chocolate have milk
in it? Less? I think dark

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chocolate has a higher like cow.
Have you guys had what's like the highest

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percentage you've had? Oh god,
I swear I was in the nineties ones

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like a proof like ninety proof.
Yeah, and it's a better percentage.

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Oh dude, you get to like
ninety, it's you might as well be

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tasting like ash oh hero, It's
it's more of like I're walking ever clear

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of chocolate. It's just be like
the brown power have you there was a

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brown No, I don't want to
eat brown m if you did, or

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both of you, now what was
this? I don't know now that you're

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both in u or every once in
a while having more wine dark chocolate high

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person, excuse me, high percentage
dark chocolate and like tannic full bodied wine

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is a really good pairing. What
is tannic? Mean? Just what's dumb

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it down? Two sentences, Max? What is it? What is tannic?

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Two sentences Max, yep Um.
It's when you drink it and you

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can kind of feel the wine itself. It's course, it's literally like really

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fine. It's just dry, like
your mouth is dry. After you drink,

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you kind of feel it like tingle. It's like the opposite of sweet,

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because by definition it's like or not
the opposite of sweet, but yeah,

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it's not tingling. Your mouth just
feels more dry. It feels like

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it's some moisture out of your tongue. Yeah, okay. Cabernet Savignon is

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usually pretty dry. Um, a
shara is pretty dry. Merlot it can

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be tannic, Yeah, it can
be it Usually it's lower. Sorry,

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higher percentage wines tend to or can
are more likely batanic. In a lot

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of cases, it's fourteen point high. Pretty, I'd say, like the

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average is twelve okay? Interesting?
And then that's why your sweeter wines are

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usually like dessert wines. The reason
they're dessert or not, the reason they're

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really sweet and high percentage because most
of the uh, what do you want

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to say? Or they can be
high percentage because a lot of like the

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sugar hasn't been burned off, because
they can fuck you up. But I

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guess so I'd be the opposite,
now that I'm saying it out loud.

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The less sugar, the more of
it would gets converted down. The yeasts

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would have converted all of a sudden. I just know the alcohol just created

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when what yeast like basically like to
be reductive each sugar? How did the

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tannins affect your butthole when you butt
chuck wine? You like to know?

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Um, how did Marilyn Monroe die? Um? Actually, speaking of wine,

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I'm having a h Actually here's a
new thing. Amanda and my last

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anniversary as unmarried and unmarried couple.
What a word? What an arduous sentence?

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That was was last weekend? So
is um second? Wait? What

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here? Betrothed? No, this
is our last dating anniversary before we get

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married. So I met her on
March nineteenth and twenty twenty one. Yes,

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yes, fiance is correct. Um. We went to one of our

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favorite neighborhoods in New York and found
it's a neighborhood that's very like community oriented.

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So we were at this place that's
a fairly locally famous whiskey distillery,

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and then the guy who worked there, it was like, what are you

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guys doing next? And we were
we rattled off our plans. He's like,

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you should go to this place.
It's a liquor store I used to

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work at and they have based on
what you like here, they have a

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lot of this. So we got
there. The dude who work there knew

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the guy who recommended us from the
last bar, and he recommended a few

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wines to us. I got a
Wild Red Ride Sharas from Australia. It's

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got a roller coaster on the front
and it's very good. It is very

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tannic. So I'm drinking it.
It's like, yeah, it's it's extremely

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dry. I still think. And
now I'm trying to rate wines and stuff

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and everyone I've ever had, I
give four stars, and I have no

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idea how to describe it. But
they're all four stars. They're all whiny.

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I have no idea how to disturtin
flavors or anything. Yet that's part

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of the fun of like trying different
ones. You're never right or wrong.

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I mean technically, I guess you
could technically be wrong if you try hard

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enough, but like, yeah,
also a lot of the ones you're if

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you're like finding certain wines you like, you might be having similar wines from

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time to time, so you might
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But oh maybe lately I've been into
whites that all right, I guess classically

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more like Chardonnay's that they have that
like stone taste, mineral taste. Been

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more into that tastes a lot of
stones taste a lot of it. I

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don't know even if this tasted really
stony right now, I don't think it'd

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be like, oh, stone,
that wouldn't red woodn't really I mean maybe

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you know what a stone taste like. It's more well, I mean,

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like most stuff when you're tasting wine. It's not like I've sucked on tobacco.

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Oh I guess I have sucked on
tobacco before, But like when you

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get a tobacco taste in your wine, it tastes like tobacco smells that I've

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had tobacco. My st I'm trying
to think now that you say it's it's

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weird described because it tastes like like
that the smell of wet stones when you're

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near a stream. That's kind of
how it tastes. Okay. Also,

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I have sucked on a stone before
when I was high, when I was

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young. Why we're smoking, I'm
getting there. We were smoking, and

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someone's like, if you're trying to
avoid eating too much, too many snacks

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while you're high, avoiding the munchies, if you just suck on a rock,

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like quench the same the same like
because apparently when you get the munchies,

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your mouth just wants texture rather than
it's not your stomach wanting food,

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it's your mouth wanting texture. I
don't know why. So if you just

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suck on a rocket can potentially satisfy. I try to just go out to

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the seven eleven parking lot and just
grab a fucking rock and shove it in

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your mouth. I forgot where I
got the rock. Some people pay good

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money for the hut. Yeah,
yeah, perfect to do that every day.

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That's grossis yeah. Um? But
yeah, dark chocolate, get like

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suckers kid, get like seventy percent
cacao dark chocolate and like a Cabernet sauvignon,

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and it's a really good combo.
I want to learn about. I

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gotta be one of those cheese guys. I want to find out, like,

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oh, what bears with pepper Jack? That is actually something I'd love

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to see you become a Samolia and
a cheesyle. That'd be great because that

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might have a lifelong love of Guda
all right my belly. Yeah. Oh,

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I could take garbage cheeses and pair
it with nice wines, like would

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you know easy cheese and something fancy
that I would watch that. That's a

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YouTube channel right there, right now. Channel probably someone is probably actually there's

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I'm searching a YouTube for easy cheese
and wine. Oh shit, where did

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I find it? There is actually
a YouTube channel that talks about wine pairings.

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But it's like down to earth wine
pairings like this, Like they talk

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about how a Salvinia Blanc pair as
well with sour patch kids. Oh wow,

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which it does white wine like Salvinion
Blanc's dry white wines and like sour

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gummy candies is incredible. It's up
there with dark chocolate and dry red wines.

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Man, I'm surprised. Dan as
An asked, Alexei, yet remind

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me to pair delicious cheese with wine? This? Uh, yeah, this

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seems to be I'm tapped. I
don't see anyone mixing easy cheese. I'm

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tapped easy cheese with wine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, easy cheese.

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You know the good stuff, the
yes, the bar we Oh have

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we talked about my huge my gripe
with Snyder's pretzels? No? You know

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that you know the cheddar cut which
ones Snyders. Okay, so you know

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they have those flavored ones that are
basically like there are pretzel rods baked with

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Yeah, they've got the honey mustard
buffalo, the cheddar ones. Since I

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was I really I remember it.
We picked my brother up from marine boot

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camp in Paris, Island, South
Carolina and I'm the eighteen hour drive back

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to Syracuse. I had my first
taste of the cheddar Snyder's pretzels. I

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never looked back. And to be
clear, these are not the cheddar dusted

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regular pretzels. These are the ones
that it looks like they were rods and

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then soaked cheddar and then like bash
to pieces. And they are delicious and

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they are fun, except for when
you eat them. They'll cut this it's

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like chewing on like glass by the
time you're done. So However, they

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recently it says on the bag new
flavor, new great taste, a play

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on like new flavor, same great
taste. It is not the same anymore.

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It is completely different. Previously they
tasted like real cheddar cheese. Dan,

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you may be happy to know they
now taste like they used easy cheese.

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Okay, if I want to,
it's Snyder's. It's the rod type

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things with cheese. It's it's like
those really metallic looking bags. There's the

402
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honey mustard, there's a buffalo and
the cheddar. And I'm not saying they're

403
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,200
bad a man, and I still
eat a decent amount of them. However,

404
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,359
they are not nearly as good as
they used to be, and I'm

405
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,680
pissed because those were like a pastime
for me. That's something like that,

406
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,720
a very specific thing goes away and
you can't get it back because it was

407
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,920
one. Like KFC's mac and cheese
used to be the best mac and cheese

408
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
on the planet and then they like
change the fucking No. Stover's is the

409
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,440
same way too. Stover's mac and
cheese used to be so creamy and thick

410
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,240
and everything. I think across the
board of the mac and cheese industry has

411
00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,039
gotten soft. Kraft mac and cheese
isn't nearly as good and buttery as I

412
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,559
remember it. I think it all
got too healthy. They fucked with Kraft

413
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,440
mac and cheese. It was perfect, it was perfect. I think right

414
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,240
now Arby's, Arby's white cheddar mac
and cheese that's got that. It needs

415
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,039
that thickness, that thick, thicky
thing, and it's too just kind of

416
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,640
milky and wet now with like Craft
and KFC, them changing the flavor of

417
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,279
those pretzels, feels like my favorite
restaurant closed. Yeah, I can see

418
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,000
that. I hate it. You
love and it's gone forever. What's your

419
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:32,480
favorite mac and cheese? Probably Arby's
now Arbi's mac and cheese. Wait what

420
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,319
did I have had when I was
telling Bonk, I don't know. I

421
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,960
think we're at a restaurant, Noe's
a cheesecake factory. I don't know.

422
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,240
We were at some place recently and
I had it and I was like,

423
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:41,519
this is some of the best mac
and cheese I've ever had. It was

424
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,559
that thick, you know. And
it can be shells, it can be

425
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200
the elbows, it can be anything. It's all about the cheese though.

426
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,880
The thing. It needs to be
like a paste and it needs to be

427
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,880
like Elmer's made mac and cheese.
Yeah, I like it. I also

428
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
like a thing, and I like
it with crispy stuff on top. You

429
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,599
can get okay, some bread crispies, maybe a little bit of like some

430
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,400
some bacon bits or something like that. But you got to be careful because

431
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,119
sometimes they'll do the crazy trouble stuff
and just ruin everything. You don't like

432
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:14,160
truffles just garbage. You prefer easy
cheese to truffles. Billion percent easy is

433
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,319
one of my favorite things. Truffles
make me want to bar fall over.

434
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,279
I think he has a point,
though, like truffle is often kind of

435
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,000
like shoved in as like, yeah, they're exquisite, fancy flavor, and

436
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:27,119
at the times it's misused. Truffle
fries are good though, No, nothing

437
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,519
trouble is good truffle. You would
probably find a niche on YouTube if you

438
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:40,519
just had shit food with wine and
like this and but treat it completely deadpan.

439
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,319
I would know how to describe the
shit food so much better than I

440
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,119
could describe the wine. That's the
joke, Like, you clearly don't know.

441
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,160
You just know shit. It wouldn't
be I know, but that you

442
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:57,759
don't know why you clearly have this
like easy cheese based palet and your Panic

443
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,079
based palet, Like, yeah,
I was just raised on food chemicals and

444
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,480
that's what brain sees as food.
I get nauseas watching it, but I

445
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:08,480
watch it. I've set it beforewards. Like every Thanksgiving, I would always

446
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,079
get sick to my stomach because I
would be eating real food. I'd eat

447
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,720
like green beans and feel sick to
my stuf Like my stomach would just be

448
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,279
what the fuck is this anytime I
eat real food because it's just so fast

449
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:24,279
food, And yeah, that's not
a signed to eat more garbage. Yeah,

450
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,960
probably, Yeah, I though You're
right, you're like one of those

451
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,519
fish that it's only ever lived in
an underground cave. So it's just translucent

452
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,160
and going to the sun, and
that's what is this UV thing. Yeah,

453
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:42,119
yeah, basically you don't need to
see Yeah, yeah, yeah,

454
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,400
it's good. It's good. You're
you're a fish living in an underground cave.

455
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:47,359
Yeah. I've had to get better
about the food stuff. I think,

456
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,200
I'm I'm I'm slowly, but still
there is still something like when I

457
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,480
do eat fast food or something,
it's just every time I eat some McDonald's

458
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,319
fries or a case of the air
from Daco Bell, it's just like,

459
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,119
yes, this is what I know, this is what I love, this

460
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400
is what I crave, and I'll
have like a really fancies like I'm not

461
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,119
kidding, Like I've had plenty of
like filetmenon and like nice restaurants and stuff.

462
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,160
I don't like it. Like it's
good, it's undeniably good, but

463
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,559
it's not as good as a talk
about case. Yeah, it's just not.

464
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:15,880
And I know it's subjective and that's
my dumb brain, but like do

465
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:21,240
my brain, it's like same price, like last meal, prison death row

466
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:28,039
type situation. Absolutely doing taco about
McDonald's, like you know platter. Yeah,

467
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,599
I guess it's the last meal.
You can do whatever you want.

468
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:36,200
Yeah, it's like in signs chicken
Terry hokey. I just slip in signs

469
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,920
references every once in a while.
It's a like for Mary specifically, it's

470
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:46,480
the one thought wrong not to swing. It's not for death death row meals,

471
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Like what are there, Like is
there a cost limit? Is there

472
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,720
a a read like you can't just
say like bringing a whole cow? Like

473
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,119
is it just a like they call
it as they see it, you know?

474
00:33:55,319 --> 00:34:00,359
Or is there like written dead rules
like these are the parameters. I'm

475
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,039
not sure there's probably it's the it's
government run, so there's probably a price

476
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,760
ceiling. Like I don't ever know
what I want to death row no,

477
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:15,480
noah. And on death row,
I feel like it's a prisoners Yeah,

478
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:21,360
but prisoners. I've known many prisoners. Yeah. I spent some of my

479
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,880
earliest years visiting prisoners when I was
like a baby Wait what wo Yeah that

480
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,119
was a I thing A contention between
my dad my mom is my mom used

481
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:34,760
to take little baby met to like
prison prison to to meet people, and

482
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,000
my dad's like don't take our baby
to prison. I'm sure there's some there's

483
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,960
a specific person that you're not talking
about. But what you said was your

484
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:49,719
mom took you to prison to meet
people that were like for recreation. She

485
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,599
just wanted you to get better at
making friends, to exercise, all right,

486
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,480
and I'm gonna take him to find
some friends right away. Where can

487
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:05,480
I find cool men? Jake just
cut that out of Dan saying my mom

488
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,159
took me as a baby to prison
to meet people. It was like a

489
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,119
mixer. She was already worried about
you. She's like, no, no,

490
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,119
no, no, I'm nipping this
in the bud. We're in as

491
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,119
scared straight as a baby. Yeah, I've got I got this guy named

492
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:27,199
Dozer. I know. Yeah,
this explains this is your rose out of

493
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,360
stone. I completely get you.
Now. My first girlfriend, her dad

494
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,159
worked at the levin Worth Maximum Security
prison. That's really kept. Like Michael

495
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,320
Vick, I've heard of that.
Oh that's a very famous one. Yeah,

496
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,760
it's a very very famous one in
Kansas. Yeah, yeah, I've

497
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,840
heard of, like, I've heard
of a lot of like prisons down south

498
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,880
in the Midwest from like true Detective
because you mentioned yeah, but we had

499
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,000
a prison near us, like a
forty five minutes. I don't think it

500
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,719
was maximum security, but it was
up there. Yeah. Kind I kind

501
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,840
of like looking at like max security
prisons just seeing like all the crazy razor

502
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,599
wire and like guard put it's just
kind of cool looking. It just feels

503
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,840
like a video game level or something. You know. I've always found prisons

504
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
fucking fascinating. Watched all of odds
anytime there was a show where it was

505
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,840
like, there was a show I
think by the makers of Cops just called

506
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,800
Jail and it was just like a
Las Vegas jail and it was a reality

507
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,440
show and it was fascinating any kind
of like what was it a lockdown or

508
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,639
locked up or something. It's like
an A and E type thing or something

509
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,400
like she watched The Walking Dead.
No, that's fake zombie shit. It

510
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,039
is. But they have a season
where they take over a jail and make

511
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,719
jail no humans. And what's cool
about it is that it's the perfect fortress

512
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,480
because the zombies take get them out. Oh that's smart with the razor wire

513
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920
and all that's right. They're not
like they're not like arresting the zombie.

514
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,000
You're going people. They're in the
jail and all the zombies are trying to

515
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,960
get in, but because of all
the security, because it's a prison,

516
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,039
they can't get in. It's actually
like a really interesting concept. And they

517
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:14,440
have all these like tower like lookout
towers because it's a prison to see who's

518
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,719
coming in and out, so they
have a really good view of all the

519
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,800
zombies. Plus they have cells.
And I used always think to myself,

520
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,880
man, in a last case scenario, if like all the zombies get in,

521
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,239
you just put yourself in a cell. Yeah, but then that's right,

522
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,280
then you're in trouble. But like
they can't get in. Yeah,

523
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,079
yeah, that's smart. Is that
just like one season or something? I

524
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,800
think so. I like it was
when I was still watching it, and

525
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,679
I remember being like, it's such
a cool idea. Yeah, it was

526
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:51,199
like season two four two is the
Farm. It's early because well these are

527
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,880
spoilers. I think I think it
was like three or four or something because

528
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,920
two was the farm. That makes
sense. That was when they Yeah,

529
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:00,800
I the first like five season that
show, and I was like, this

530
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,159
is way too long and boring.
I think, like many things that go

531
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,679
on for that long. And obviously
it's based off of a comic. So

532
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,079
it's not like they wrecked it or
anything. They're just following generally the comic

533
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:19,559
story. But I think or a
time, I like things to end because

534
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:24,280
I get bored of people. Unless
you're just shoving new concepts down my throat,

535
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,920
it doesn't feel like it works anymore. Like one of the things that

536
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,039
I'm in love with Succession about is
the fact that, like right is it's

537
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:36,679
like, oh, my interest is
so peaked. Every character is so interesting

538
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,159
and I don't know everything about them, but I know enough that I feel

539
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,760
like I get their decisions and they're
fascinating to me, and they're like,

540
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,440
you know what, that's it.
This is the last one. And I

541
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,559
think that's fucking brilliant. And I
prefer that. Yeah, it's like Breaking

542
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,519
Bad was still going on, it
would suck wait Succession last season? Yeah,

543
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:58,840
yeah, Okay, how are you
guys watching um ted Lasso yet?

544
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Do you watch ted Lasso? I
gave up about halfway through the second season

545
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,159
too positive for here's the thing.
While I was watching it, I hated

546
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,880
all those the arguments about like everyone
be like, oh it's too sacarin,

547
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,559
it's too sweet, And the whole
time I was saying like, no,

548
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,039
there's a place for something like this
that's not cynical. It's not this negative

549
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,079
thing. It's not just making fun
of everyone. Like I was really like

550
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,159
anti that that sentiment for the longest
time. It was the one where there's

551
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,840
like a funeral and they all started
singing Rick Astley together, and I was

552
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,400
like, all right, this is
gonna be a lot And I already wasn't

553
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,360
like as into the last few episodes. I'm just kind of like bowed out

554
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,280
after that. That a part approach
too much for me. It got I

555
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,679
still we're still watching it. I'm
I'm excited. Well, I will have

556
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,599
watched episode two as of this recording
now or as of this episode, but

557
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:49,199
I've only the season out now.
It's episode two is tomorrow from this recording.

558
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,840
Yeah, okay, episode two,
but it's the last season, season

559
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,280
three. They said they always wrote
it to be a trilogy of seasons.

560
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,280
I feel like that's the right move
for that show as well. I remember

561
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,800
thinking in season two, you cannot
keep this up. This is a really

562
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,559
lovely story about a person who's overcoming
a lot of odds with their positivity.

563
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:19,599
You can't keep this forever because characters
have to grow, And the whole point

564
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,519
is that he's kind of like he's
very not indestructible. Is he's able to

565
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,400
like withstand a lot of pressure and
keep that momentum, but at some point

566
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,000
either has to grow or break.
Maybe the season's about him breaking and freaking

567
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:42,480
out and fucking like, yeah two
got to there. I'm on I finished

568
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,239
season two. I haven't started this
because I quit Apple, so I have

569
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,440
to figure out what I'm gonna do
now, because dude, I have so

570
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,000
many subscriptions. I can'tceled the Apple
today. I didn't know what I was

571
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,159
still subscribing, but I found the
iPhone thing where it showed subscription. I

572
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,039
was like, what the fuck I'm
paying for Apple? Get out of here.

573
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,280
In a way, when I was
watching it that they had that scene.

574
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,280
I can't remember pease at a club
or what's going on, but he

575
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,400
has a panic attack, and I
remember thinking that, like, you know,

576
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,320
panic attacks are always so people just
don't understand him, and like people

577
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,880
misuse the phrase all the time.
We're like, oh, I didn't I

578
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
didn't know what to order and I
had a panic attack for a Second's like

579
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,320
no, no, a panic attack
is a much more It feels like way

580
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960
more of a crisis if you're experiencing
one. And I remember the way they

581
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:22,079
depicted it in that Ted last episode
was like, holy shit, that is

582
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,360
far and away the most accurate depiction
of a panic attack I've ever seen in

583
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,320
meeting, like I remember being very
very good. Yeah, the uh absolutely,

584
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,119
the show has gotten too points where
I'm like, okay, like this

585
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,159
is too Yeah, the saccharin is
a good word, but they got They've

586
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:40,039
gotten past that. I'm curious what
they're going to do the rest of the

587
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,760
season three. The first episode was
very much a piet or an intro episode,

588
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,639
so I'm excited for the rest of
the season. And then I finally

589
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,440
finished the last of US. I
muscled my way through it. Yeah,

590
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,639
yeah, it's I just found it. I don't know. Have you guys

591
00:41:54,679 --> 00:42:04,519
watched it eisode? Okay, but
it's tough because we know we talked about

592
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,079
the game last episode of the remake. It's like, it's weird watching this.

593
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,280
I'm like, oh man, there's
there. There's so much. The

594
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,679
ending of that game worked so well
because you had spent like sixteen hours with

595
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,880
these two characters, just them basically
well not I mean, obviously there are

596
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,719
parts that subvert that, but it's
just them. The show is nine episodes,

597
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,079
and much of the show it's not
just about Ellie and Joel. So

598
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,159
by the time the inevitable end rolls
around, you're like, oh man,

599
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,599
that to me, that felt very
flat. Not that I didn't have moments

600
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:40,599
of the show I didn't like or
I liked, but yeah, overall,

601
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,119
it was the bottle episodes of the
show that I liked the most, or

602
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,239
the spinoff episodes that I like the
most. Like most, I think,

603
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,760
I don't know. I wouldn't recommend
it if you played the game already,

604
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,159
I don't think you're the end does
it end? Were like the first game

605
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,360
ends? The first season was the
first game basically, and then now they're

606
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,039
like, we're gonna split the second
game into more than one season. Like

607
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,719
you should have done that with the
first season. Definitely, you could have

608
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,679
gotten yea long story, you could
have gotten a lot on the first season.

609
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,199
But I don't know, um they
should. They should remake the show

610
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,039
in like three or four years and
just have to be shot for shot the

611
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:21,559
same. But it just looks slightly
better when it goes to a new subscription

612
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:27,920
service. Yes, yes, HBO
Ultimate. Yeah. Um no, it

613
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,639
would need to be way more confusing
than that. Yeah, told be three

614
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,519
of them. Anyway. Do you
guys want to talk about video games?

615
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:40,400
You're but first I have finally gotten
you guys into wine. We talked about

616
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,480
this. We have First Leaf subscriptions, Dan, Yeah, you think of

617
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,920
First Leaf, tell me I like
it a lot. It is my way

618
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,559
of buying wines instead of just bumbling
around and not know what I'm doing in

619
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,199
a store. I'm drinking an Earth's
Draw twenty twenty, Sonoma County, m

620
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,159
or Low right now and enjoying it
greatly. Thanks the First Leaf. Mary,

621
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,480
would have you been drinking? I've
got a Rose because I'm that bitch,

622
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:07,960
and I've really enjoyed it. It's
been great because, um, First

623
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:13,880
Leaf does not judge. It offers
suggestions for all palettes. It's really interested

624
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,760
in basically giving me what I want. I like sweeter wines, I like

625
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,679
rose's. I like easy drinking,
easy drinking wines, and that's my favorite

626
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,480
thing. And it comes right to
your house every month. If you subscribe,

627
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,480
it comes right at your house every
month. It could be six wines.

628
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Now there's also an option to get

629
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,599
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631
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a first leaf dot com slash fire
Escape. All right, we're about to

635
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,800
jump back into games. But Dan, as usual, something bizarre happened to

636
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,239
you break. No, we just
did a quick break and box of GDC.

637
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,480
So I'm on dog duty here,
so I don't really want would take

638
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,079
them out and stuff, but I'm
I'm being ant taking the dogs out to

639
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,320
be real quick. I've got It's
ten twelve at night right now, in

640
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,719
the middle of the week as we
record this. I'm out in the middle

641
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,559
of the yard. It's totally dark, and all of a sudden, I

642
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,880
started hearing Dan Dan, and I'm
like, what the fuck is this?

643
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,599
And it's like Dan Dan. I'm
like, is my foot? Did I

644
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,599
actually call someone? I'm hearing someone
from like my speaker phone or what I

645
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,880
reach down no, and I just
keep hearing it. I'm like, wait,

646
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,199
is that buk And then I realized
she must have seen the thing triggered

647
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:44,360
on the like cameras camera through the
camera. It was in the middle of

648
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,159
the law. I'm just hearing my
names or what the Yeah you you don't

649
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,039
you live in an area where that
would be creepy because you've got a decent

650
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,239
amount of land, like it's it's
not super populated, so we don't know

651
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,519
any of the neighbors. So it's
like, literally, the only person I

652
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,960
know anywhere woods behind your house.
And she's in San Francisco. Yeah,

653
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,880
that would be scary. She's getting
pizza with tim Urian ben Ansener right now.

654
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,079
I've seen people do that with pets
where they'll um, They'll be like,

655
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,079
I'm going to check on my cat
or my dog, and then they'll

656
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,159
be like, you know, Jimmy, Jimmy right here, and the dog

657
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,440
will like, perkets are its ears
up? And I'll be like, this

658
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,800
is You're messing with this animal like
it doesn't know what's going on, so

659
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,840
weird. Yeah, I don't know
what the hell is going on. I've

660
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,320
seen ones that have treats connected to
them, So not only can you talk

661
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,800
to them through the camera, but
you can like throw a treat. I'll

662
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,199
try that. When we first had
a Razor, when he was a puppy

663
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,320
and both Bonk and I were working
in an office in New York City,

664
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,480
we would occasionally, You're like,
you know, try that, but it

665
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,719
was just it didn't work half the
time, and it was just weird.

666
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,360
And so yeah, we sold it. Mike, they're going to that box.

667
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Probably had Tony the place. Yep, there are Tony's. That was

668
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,119
the place you recommended. I remember
being very skeptical. Some of the best

669
00:46:52,119 --> 00:47:00,760
pizza you've ever had in ye.
Tim has been the biggest evangelical for that

670
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,639
or what's the word. Yeah,
he's been the biggest evangelist for that place.

671
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,480
He uh, I showed it to
him. He was also skeptical.

672
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,159
I mean, he believes me,
but he was like, all right,

673
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,320
I'll see it for myself. And
then ever since, I feel like every

674
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,599
time he goes back, I mean
he lives close enough by, but every

675
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,599
time he goes up there he brings
people. I'm sure he'll he'll take the

676
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,360
role that you always used to take
and be like, all right, we're

677
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,280
ordering three, we're getting the grandmas
we're getting. Didn't when there a time

678
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,920
I went with you and we kept
accidentally getting like ninety three pizzas. Yeah,

679
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,280
why was that happening? Every It
just they kept giving us free pizzas

680
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,079
and we're like, what are you
doing? Like whole delicious pizzas. Look,

681
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,599
if you guys want this, like
wait, no, we already wanting

682
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,880
to buy it. You just want
it? Yeah, y of different flavors

683
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,159
for though, if we talked about
it before, but if you're new to

684
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:44,760
the show or whatever, it's Tony's
in North Beach. There's Tony's to go,

685
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,599
and then there's that sit down Tony's. And I think, still to

686
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:51,000
this day, the best pizza I've
ever had in my wife is at Tony's

687
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,320
in San Francisco. Um might be
there's places here that compete with it,

688
00:47:54,599 --> 00:48:00,639
but um then New Papa John's Crispy
parm Pizzas. Okay to blow past this,

689
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,639
but the menu's thick as fuck.
They've got one page. They've got

690
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,400
two pages for coal fired, two
pages for wood fired, two pages for

691
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,280
brick oven, two pages for gas
oven. They've got Detroit style. If

692
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,440
you don't know what's De Troit style
pizzas. Please look it up. It's

693
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,000
incredible. Yeah, I Amanda used
to go to SF for work all the

694
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,679
time, and like many people who
go to SF like briefly or don't like,

695
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,119
I don't know. I've said before. I think I had a pretty

696
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,679
lucky situation in San Francisco, so
I do like San Francisco. Not my

697
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,480
favorite place, but I had a
very good four years there, so I

698
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,599
want to show her around next time
we go back. But yeah, Tony's

699
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,039
is always like one of the first
stops. Columbus Cafe in North Beach,

700
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,360
best dive bar, metal music,
pool tables you'll ever find. And then

701
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,800
on Wednesdays it's chip night. You
buy a drink, they give you a

702
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,039
poker chip for your next drink.
I still have two of them, and

703
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:58,559
I talked to Dan our former game
spots Slash Giant Bomb. He said they're

704
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,599
still eligible the chips that I have. Oh really, you're taking back now

705
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,039
you're in soaked hell hole. But
you know there's a one percent there that's

706
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,119
worth worth checking out. For sure. It's a fun place. You got

707
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,719
to know where you're going for sure. Yes, it's not New York.

708
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,639
You just wander and find your new
favorite neighborhood. It's not a great sign

709
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:21,719
when one of the best parts of
the city is visiting the prison. Yeah,

710
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:27,559
I guess pro Incarceration d the Island
Prison is one of the best parts

711
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:32,960
of the city. Um Alcatraz.
I've never done a great, such a

712
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,280
good tour. It's a lot of
fun, especially if you're a big rock

713
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,199
mark like me. It's fucking awesome. Somehow still have never done it.

714
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,119
It's so good, and it's even
good if you're not. It's one thing

715
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,519
that as a tourist doesn't matter.
Locals do it and enjoy it. It

716
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:54,159
is a very educational experience that makes
you feel like you were there at the

717
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,000
time and living it. It's amazing, and all the audio is done by

718
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,239
actual guard words and inmates at the
time. Like people who are no longer

719
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,480
with us are like, yep,
that's what it was like. I used

720
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,400
to toss the button and then try
and find it in the dark. That's

721
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,880
how I fucking survived for two years. And it's just like I'm always like

722
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,679
the audio tour thing, because like
my first instinct whenever I go to one

723
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,239
of those things is like I'll just
walk around and looking stuff myself. I'll

724
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,679
read the plaques or whatever. But
I just visited the Alamo like a few

725
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:23,800
weeks ago or a month ago or
something there. Well, I doesinit thing.

726
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,519
I didn't know shit about the album. I just knew it was like

727
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,639
I don't know, it's like a
building and I think there were cannons and

728
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,639
people. Their whole their whole thing
is remember the Alamo. Well, I

729
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:32,519
never knew what to beginning with it. So it's not like I forgot the

730
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,800
Alamo. I never know what the
was, and now it's like, shit,

731
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,000
you gotta know the Alamo in order
to remember the Alamo. There's valid

732
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:44,119
point they have no idea issue.
I had no idea Texas was even like

733
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:45,800
this whole thing where Texas wasn't part
of the country for a while and it

734
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,760
was like part of Mexico, and
like I had no idea. It's like

735
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,159
suddenly a lot of things about why
do you think we were fighting with Mexicans

736
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,880
for a long? I didn't know
we were. I had no idea.

737
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,119
So it's like suddenly, on that
tour of the Alamo, a lot of

738
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,880
like Texans attitudes about Texas like made
a lot of sense of just like,

739
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,159
don't mess with us, and we're
Texas, we're independent, like I okay

740
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,760
a lot of like this picture is
becoming clearer of Texans as I learn a

741
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,000
little bit about the history of Texas. I knew nothing before. They have

742
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:17,599
their origins somewhere for sure. Yes, um, speaking of islands and forts

743
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,400
and villages. Oh, I know
what you're doing. Remember that game.

744
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,679
Remember in two thousand and five friends, even before there's a village, inn,

745
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,920
a castle than an island. Yeah, a knife fight and a jet

746
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,199
ski. Yeah, Mike, I
need. I feel like we need to

747
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,639
talk here based on because we we
legit have not talked off the air about

748
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,599
this game. I think even sort
of. Really, when we first got

749
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:42,239
it early on, very early on, we talked, yeah to Marry,

750
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:50,440
you have not played it. We
I don't wanna you and I are talking

751
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,440
potentially about maybe playing it together.
Interesting. We don't have anything to say

752
00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,199
concretely, but you have not played
yet. Luckily, big picture wise,

753
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,800
there's not well, there's not much. Here's what I do with it with

754
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,360
my I reviewed it for Giant Bomb
check it out, give five stars.

755
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
I said anything that happened in the
original game I considered fair game, so

756
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,559
I structurally, you know, I
talk about what happens like so if you

757
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,559
want to, if you want,
if you've never played the first one and

758
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,199
you just want to hear no spoilers
at all, maybe back out here.

759
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,719
But let's not spoil specific events and
changes and stuff about the new one.

760
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,199
That's kind of how I approach Okay, all right, so sure, yeah,

761
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,559
I think our conversation might I might
not have as much to talk about

762
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,480
my gen If you want to go
full spoiler, we can. No,

763
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,480
no, let's not go full spoiler. Um, Okay, my general take,

764
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:38,960
I think it's I think it's very
good. I don't think you've said

765
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,119
anything about it. I wholeheartedly disagree
with It's one of my favorite games of

766
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,079
the year so far. That's I
know it's only marks, but there have

767
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,400
been a lot of games this year. Um. I still don't think my

768
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,239
argument would have changed for last episode. I still think Resumel two and the

769
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,320
Resume four is not even out yet, so I shouldn't even be talking about

770
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,880
where it stands in the all time, like I need a few months before

771
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,960
I talk about that. But in
the spirit of our last episode, I

772
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:09,480
still think Resuval to remake impresses me
more. And that's say bigger jump.

773
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:14,000
I mean, we were changing.
That's the tough thing, and that's why

774
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:16,599
the criteria was hard last episode,
because it's like Resuval two needed a remake

775
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,800
way almost every game ever needed a
remake more than Resuval four, which is

776
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:27,519
why I think that that's why it's
impressive that this is so good. Yeah.

777
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,320
I even mentioned in the review that, like, you know, it's

778
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,320
natural to wonder, like where do
they stop this? Because like people are

779
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,599
kind of iffy on five for variety
of reasons. Six is kind of maligned,

780
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,119
Like do they even do four though? Because four is the one that

781
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,639
actually has aged the best, Like
it's got these qts and products of its

782
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,719
time and stuff like that, but
like it gameplay wise, it's still very

783
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,480
fucking fun. Yeah, So I
was skeptical of whether it needed it,

784
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,079
and my big argument in the review
was that, like, absolutely, it

785
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,320
enhances so many things from the original
and makes it feel very, very modern,

786
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000
even if you have no nostalgia for
the original. It's incredible, and

787
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:01,119
it definitely would have been at least
I would have pushed it to Final four

788
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:07,320
at least in that if not,
I think, Yeah, it's just some

789
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,360
of the changes they made. I
think a lot of the things they subtracted

790
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:17,679
from the original are awesome changes,
like they that game. I don't know

791
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,119
when the last time people played Resume
Be four was. It's still fantastic,

792
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,039
but I every time I talk about
it, I'm like, I feel like

793
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:28,639
people are omitting a lot from that
game, even in the second act,

794
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,719
the castle and the island in the
third act kind of sewer part drags and

795
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,599
sucks, you know, like you
know there's something the crowds or fight like

796
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,440
suck and yeah, and speaking as
broadly as possible, By and large,

797
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,559
I think every change four made got
rid of most blemishes from four. There

798
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,800
are a couple things which I won't
spoil, that I think actively hurt the

799
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,679
pacing and the new one. There's
one specific area Dan and I say area

800
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:06,199
intentionally that I feel like they expanded
on that felt very like obligatory to twenty

801
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:12,079
twenty three Triple A game design that
they didn't need to do. I'm trying

802
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:14,760
to figure out, like, I
don't think this is a spoiler. The

803
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,639
lake is now this like mini open
world. That's one of my favorite changes.

804
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:22,920
I didn't like that really. Yeah. I felt I like, how

805
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,400
you go to lake in the original
you fight del Lago. Yeah, that's

806
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,440
that. Fights feels great in this
game. I just felt like after that,

807
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,159
I was like, oh man,
I'm gonna be I don't think it

808
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,039
feels bad. It's like pacing wise, It's like, man, everything was

809
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,000
ramping up to this, and then
the fight, Oh now I can't like,

810
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,559
I'm now I'm gonna go back and
do Eligante and the chance or the

811
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,800
Chaince sisters might have been before that, I can't remember, but I'm like,

812
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,400
I don't think it's bad. It
just feels so out of place,

813
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:52,719
especially as you play more. It
reminded you of Ragnarok. Yeah, that's

814
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,960
putting that together in my head.
It's because I remember you hated that in

815
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,960
Ragnaro slit the sail around and yeah, it's not it's that's part of it

816
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:00,719
that I was like, oh man, this feels like they did it better

817
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,840
than Ragnarok, to be clear,
because there's no one whining in your ear

818
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,159
the whole time. Oh yeah,
it's incredible. Um, but I do

819
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,199
feel like I was like, man, the game has gained so much momentum

820
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,960
getting up to there, and then
they had so much right after the lake

821
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000
area. That's like a ton of
momentum for that too, with boss fights

822
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,840
and stuff like leading up to the
castle. I'm like, I wonder why

823
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,480
they added this, Like, I
think it works on a certain level because

824
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,199
a lot of the changes that they've
made. Mechanically, it's still very much

825
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,039
an action game. It's still very
campy. That's not gone, but they've

826
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,920
actually made a lot of changes that
make it feel more survival horror than the

827
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,639
original Ari four. It's scarier because
that was one of scari It's about four

828
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,360
is that it was not scary.
It was a tense action game, but

829
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,719
it wasn't scary like this one was
scary like it is. It's got that

830
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,039
like that white knuckle intensity of the
original, but like, you're way more

831
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,559
scared than this one. It's scary. But also the survival elements they brought

832
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,079
like um Resival two, Remak and
three. They brought the crafting over from

833
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,519
seven and Now a Village, but
seven was the one that kick started that

834
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,599
whole thing in the more modern residevals
with gunpowder, materials, et cetera.

835
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,960
That works really well here because that
just adds to the inventory management of the

836
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,760
original game, and you're they really
want you to be spending your AMMO in

837
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,800
this game like all the time.
So I mean also the tweaks they made

838
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,800
to the treasures and like like the
color bonuses of the gems and all that

839
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,480
stuff. Like I love that they're
really expanded on that, and the whole

840
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,679
I love the I don't even know
if it's a whole system, like the

841
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:36,519
knife system in this game. I
fucking love like a The perry is most

842
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:42,159
of the most satisfying things ever when
you're when you're ducking under a garrodo garrodor

843
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,480
and then he swings at someone else
and then you jump back up and someone

844
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,480
throws an axe and you parry it
and then oh my god, it's great,

845
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,320
badass. What are the m jump
scares? Like? Are there more?

846
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,920
Are there less? I'd say they're
they are smart. Um, I

847
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
don't want to give too many.
Wonder Okay, just mute the next like

848
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,800
forty five seconds if you're worried about
him a specific moment here. There is

849
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,440
one where I was you know,
the wind up toys. There were wind

850
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,239
up toys of the Little Lord Boy, and yeah, when you hear them,

851
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:14,800
you can shoot them they're like collectibles
basically, And so I read a

852
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,480
note that was explaining that, and
I was like. I started hearing a

853
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:20,400
sound afterwards, and I was like, is that one of the fucking toys?

854
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,159
What is it? Like, I'm
walking around and it wasn't until like

855
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,960
thirty seconds later I realized it was
chainsaw man fucking revving in the distance.

856
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,599
So they specifically had me listening for
a sound. I was like, what

857
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,119
is that sound? Then the fucking
chainsaw guy in an area that he's not

858
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,239
normally in, Yeah, or an
area that wasn't even in the original game.

859
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,639
Yeah, I yell, like in
the middle the night, just yelled

860
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,960
him my HEA's like, oh my
god, holy shit. Like, yeah,

861
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,960
there are those moments for sure.
I wouldn't even like classify many of

862
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,960
them as jump scares. It's just
this intense dread and terror. Yes,

863
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:53,000
there is one. I mentioned the
Garador already with the bells from the original

864
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:58,639
game. Yes, they've done some
stuff with that enemy in this game that

865
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:02,639
are incredibly smart and good, like
good design choices. Again, I don't

866
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,840
I really like this remake. I
still think that I think they made a

867
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,840
lot of smart choices and what they
subtracted. I think I just have slightly

868
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,079
more problems with what they added.
Just not to say I dislike all the

869
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,400
additions, because a lot of the
additions, like the nice system, more

870
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,760
survival, horror crafting elements, um, what they've done with other with specific

871
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,480
boss fights, I love, but
like Resuval two remake. The things they

872
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:30,920
added just like blew my mind.
I mean, mister X is a big

873
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,199
hug, is a huge thing.
But like, but the perspective, the

874
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,119
amount of time between the games.
Oh, speaking of something, Okay,

875
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,920
I have not brought this up peopleforehand. If I were to ask you both

876
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:46,639
which Resident Evil games featured tank controls? Which ones would you say tank controls?

877
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:51,159
One? Two three? Okay?
U? Zero? No? No?

878
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:55,199
No? So zero did not zero
had the updated Um what they did

879
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,480
with the resivale one two three.
Now I'm trying to remember if Code Veronica

880
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,159
did. Mary, you played Code
Veronica more recently than I did. Yeah,

881
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,840
I don't think it did. Well, you've proved, you've proved.

882
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,360
My point is that no one fucking
says four has tank controls? Right?

883
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,679
Have you ever heard anyone say that? No? Okay, it's not tank

884
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:20,039
controls. They're called tank controls because
you're controlling a tank from above it and

885
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:22,519
it's the direction the tank is facing, not where you're facing. And it

886
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:27,079
drove me nuts. And normally I
don't give a immune to dumb comment.

887
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,079
Shit, I've just seen it so
much and we just make fun of it

888
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,079
and like read it stuff or whatever
here, but I saw it wasn't a

889
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:35,400
ton But I saw enough people because
I made a mention in the review of

890
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,679
like, oh, you know,
do we even need to remake you know,

891
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,280
because it's you know, the older
ones had more to gain because they

892
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,320
had the clumsy tank controls and stuff. I saw all these comments being like,

893
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:49,360
actually, well this is a fantasy
because it Resideval four is tank controls.

894
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,400
It's just the perspectives different, all
right, motherfucker perspect that is the

895
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:58,480
no one calls Reside Eval four tank
controls. Fucking no one. But don't

896
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:02,119
it's made you dumb ask work tank
controls are. They're called as such because

897
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:07,320
it's you're looking at the character from
the same angle. The controls are entirely

898
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,719
dependent on which direction the character is
facing. That becomes completely moot when your

899
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,840
camera is always aligned with where the
characters facing. So that's not shut the

900
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:23,320
fuck up. Yeah, oh my
god, I'm sure there's some like developer

901
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,920
at some studio that's like technically based
on the original definition this is, but

902
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,280
no one thinks of it like that. Yeah exactly, Like yeah, okay,

903
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,400
left is left, rights, right
up is up character perspective, but

904
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,760
wouldn't that fixed camera? No one's
those that's those are the same people that

905
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,679
like get pissed when you call something
a roguelike when it's a rogue light And

906
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:42,679
I'm just shut up and just do
anything else with your life. Yeah,

907
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,400
please do Yeah, no, it's
not tank controls. Um, yes,

908
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:49,960
and shut up also and also shut
up and also here's a bridge. No,

909
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:55,920
I'm just joking. Don't don't do
that. Um, I don't.

910
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:00,280
I think it's games fantastic, it's
phenomenal. Um I'm trying to think.

911
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,639
I still Also, any problems I
have in the late game are still problems

912
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:08,320
our problems I have with the original. I just like, oh, they

913
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:13,480
ramp up like so many the dynamite
throwing gun shooting zombies, and like,

914
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,400
sure, it's still there and it
technically works in this game. This game

915
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:20,800
your roundhouse kicking people, it's camp
be as fuck. You're saying things like

916
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,840
chill out, like when you freeze
something like the Bengo line, and the

917
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:27,400
right level of camp would so it
works. I just I still think,

918
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,119
like got that first third in the
village and much of the castle. I

919
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:35,360
still fucking I wish they just kept
building on that instead of like ramping up

920
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:38,079
up up um. But that's not
the remake's fault. And that's the thing.

921
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,079
If you were turned off by how
kind of actioning it gets on the

922
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,280
island, you know with these like
you know, these not zombies, you

923
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,960
know, with assault rifles and stun
guns and stuff, it's like, yeah,

924
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,880
that shit still there, Like that
is absolutely still there. You're like

925
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,880
redirecting turrets and you're just having like
gun battles with these things, and that

926
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,960
that's there. You can you can
stealth now, so you can do like

927
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,079
kind of like Last of Us stealth
and you know, take them out.

928
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:01,280
I do like kind of the breakable
night thing and everything. Like I enjoyed

929
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,400
that. That was cool. Um. I thought I would hate it because

930
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,719
I didn't want to like manage that, like I don't like durability and stuff

931
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:12,639
on matters and stuff. But this
worked well, I thought, and man

932
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:15,000
it was so great, Like every
treasure I got, I just made sure

933
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,840
it's like I am not fucking selling
this thing until I am getting the maximum

934
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,119
like color bonus. Yeah, like
they made a ton of money. I'm

935
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:28,800
so excited. Mary. There's a
whole um you can actually swap at.

936
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,320
Obviously there's the whole item management thing
in the attache case, but you can

937
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:37,199
actually get different cases that give you
different perks, and you can get different

938
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,039
charms that give you more perks to
hang off the case. I got one

939
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:47,079
that made me run eight percent faster, yeah, which is that's how you

940
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:52,119
escape a chainsaw person ten times easier
in this Yes, No, I love

941
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:54,360
the system because, like I didn't
really fuck around with the shooting gallery that

942
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:59,119
much before because like I think that
was just for like those bonus figures and

943
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:00,719
stuff like that didn't gameplay. If
I remember writing the first one, I

944
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,719
believe, so yeah, in this
one, it was just like, okay,

945
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,559
so you can get either like bronze
or goal bronze. It is silver

946
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,159
or gold tokens depending on how you
do in each one of these shooting gallery

947
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,000
things. It's like a gumball machine
with three slots. Yeah, so if

948
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,239
you put three gold tokens in,
you're probably gonna get like a really rare

949
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,679
charm. If you put three silvers
in, it lowers the chances blah blah

950
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,440
blah. It's like when you go
to slot machine, you can choose to

951
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,480
play every line or not, you
know, and so yeah, you can

952
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,840
put up to three of them on
your suitcase. And one of them was

953
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,280
just like the Striker Shotgun Legendary Edition
or whatever that to run eight percent faster.

954
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:34,480
I got it fairly early in the
game, and it's like, fuck,

955
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,360
that's gonna help me out the rest
of this game. That's great.

956
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,920
Yeah. One that's like I get
plus five percent on weapons sale values and

957
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,079
stuff like you got that first shooting
range. No, I got early on

958
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,039
in my first play through. The
eight percent move speed thing. I got

959
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,159
it on like the second or maybe
the third shooting gallery, and there's only

960
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,920
like four or five, there's four, I think. Okay, I think

961
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,679
I got them on the second or
third, so I had a lot of

962
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,280
time to enjoy it. Yeah,
okay, in the Castle, gotcha.

963
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,039
I was gonna say, if you
you've got that before the Castle, that

964
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:06,000
would help with like the catapult section. Yeah, I had twenty nine times

965
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:12,760
on it. Um, there was
not easy. There was one sequence where

966
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,519
I was like, oh this,
and I talked to other people. I

967
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:18,280
don't think other people had this experience
in this sequence, but um, there's

968
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,960
like a chase sequence basically that was
not in the first game, or at

969
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,800
least in the same format. And
that's the one time where I'm like,

970
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,480
this reminds me of the Boulder.
This isn't QTE base. But I've like

971
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,639
failed enough times without feeling like I
deserved it. Then I was like,

972
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,360
oh, this is kind of I
think I know what you're part. You're

973
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,679
talking about. You're running away,
Yeah, you're running up the hill.

974
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,599
And I talked to other people.
I didn't have problems with it, but

975
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,599
like some some approach I was taking
I did. There was like, yeah,

976
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:47,000
I think I pucked up once or
twice on that. Yeah. The

977
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:54,280
actually changes, I don't mind.
I remember like in the original for the

978
01:05:55,559 --> 01:06:01,760
uh water ski the jet ski scene, getting like irritated, Oh that sucked.

979
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,840
In the original the originally did.
But this one I think they just

980
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,480
made it like the way it should
have been work. This is a fun

981
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:13,800
ride to end the game. This
isn't fun ride to end the game's you

982
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,639
did all this stuff and now you
get the big we at the end.

983
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,239
That's what it is here. You're
totally just like boosting through explosions and stuff

984
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,480
in this one where I didn't feel
like I was gonna die. Yeah,

985
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,920
all right, well that's like the
main thing I wanted them to fix.

986
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,119
There's there's just way less bullshit overall. Like all the changes are super smart

987
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:30,360
and like a lot of them are
small changes, but a lot of them

988
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,880
are just like you'll be in an
area that you know very well and then

989
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,679
something will happen where you're like,
whoa, this did not at all.

990
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,039
Like Mike, there's a thing in
a very famous area of the game,

991
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:43,119
and like there's a thing that changes
like how you get around that area and

992
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:46,480
an environmental thing that when it happened, I was like, oh shit,

993
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:48,760
what the fuck is that? Like
I didn't expect that at all. So

994
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,840
even the first cottage you come across
usually, I mean, it's pretty iconic.

995
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,320
There's a guy Stoke in the flames
at the fireplace in the original and

996
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,639
then Leon's like, hey, excuse
me, sir, and he turns around

997
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,480
and he's got the Ganado side.
And this one that's completely different. The

998
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:06,199
cabin is different, heat, that
dude is different. It's the basement and

999
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:10,519
stuff which you didn't do in the
original. The signal to you right away

1000
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:14,199
that like, hey, we this
is a complete like reinterpretation in a lot

1001
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:17,760
of spots. Um, I like
it a lot. It's between Dead Space

1002
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:25,519
remake, Last of Us being on
HBO and Resume four remake. I'm very

1003
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:31,559
much back into that very specific kind
of third person adventure survival horror with crafting

1004
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:36,119
and exploration and combat and puzzles.
I'm back in. I want to play

1005
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:40,840
Last of Us Part one I got. I think I got to Pittsburgh when

1006
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,119
I played it last year when it
came out, but I want to replay

1007
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:45,480
that. I'm just very playing it
right now. Actually, I think the

1008
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,119
Last of Us watching the show got
me into playing the game, and it's

1009
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:53,639
really fun to replay and see like
all the just like little touches, the

1010
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,400
quality of life touches that they've added
to it. Since I played the original

1011
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,440
Last of Us, which was a
years ago, I've forgotten how long ago

1012
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,199
it was, but it's it's a
delight to play again. Do you remember

1013
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:12,119
where you are in the game,
like geographically in the States. I am

1014
01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:18,239
at uh when they meet the brother
in the Wyoming, but I don't know

1015
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:24,000
what state that is, Like Tommy's
from the Middle Yeah, yeah, Wyoming's

1016
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,760
there in the Middle States. The
damn Yeah. Yeah. I want to

1017
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,319
replay that really bad. Like playing
resum before and dead Space makes me want

1018
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,239
to replay Last Us. I love
that. I mean, it's it's like

1019
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,680
the subgenre of survival horror that Resuval
four started, Like dead Space wouldn't exist

1020
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,199
about it, and either with the
Last of Us. It's that it's that

1021
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:47,199
like flow between crafting and expiration and
kind of linear um linear adventure game,

1022
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:53,039
but also like based around inventory management
and just third like Over the Shoulder survival

1023
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:57,000
horror. There's something about it that
it feels a bit more earned than later

1024
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:00,920
games that I think are also really
relying on crafting is a way to let

1025
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,159
you play the game the way you
want, not to like harp on God

1026
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,399
of War too much, but I
feel like a lot of it is like,

1027
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,920
hey, you're getting all these items
that you can upgrade your weapon,

1028
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,600
but it feels sometimes like quite meaningless. In the God of War games,

1029
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:23,239
it's meant to give you some kind
of autonomy and ability to make you feel

1030
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:25,960
like you have a lot of agency
in that game, but I never really

1031
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:31,079
felt that, whereas in the Last
of Us man opening up a drawer and

1032
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:38,920
finding alcohol is really really nice because
I get to choose later on if that

1033
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:44,079
is going to be a multiv which
I really love, or if it's going

1034
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:48,479
to be a bandage, which I
also really love at need so having the

1035
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:55,039
ability to craft those different components and
decide at the moment when I really need

1036
01:09:55,159 --> 01:10:00,399
them what's best for me at that
given time felt really special. CUSTOMI my

1037
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:05,159
gun, which they never give you
nearly enough components to make what you want,

1038
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:10,319
and it's very calculated to be like, no, seriously, do you

1039
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:15,680
want to upgrade your sniper or do
you want to upgrade your bow because you

1040
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,960
just don't have enough to do both, And making that calculated choice felt really

1041
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:26,279
meaningful to me and encouraged me to
play the game that I wanted to.

1042
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,960
I'm actually I didn't actually put it
on my list, but now I realize

1043
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,600
it. I have been playing The
Last of Us and I've I've really enjoyed

1044
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,840
my experience replaying it. I think
of a bit of a glutton for punishment,

1045
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:42,039
because I'm playing it alongside watching season
one, and it's been it's been

1046
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:46,960
a real journey playing through what I've
been watching in the game again and reliving

1047
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,840
it a third time. I played
the game originally, like what like eight

1048
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,960
years ago? When did the original
come out? It was ages ago,

1049
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,359
thirteen the end ten years ago?
Yeah, fuck world, I played that.

1050
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,079
Now I'm watched it, and now
I'm replaying the game to like re

1051
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:08,600
remember that experience again, and it's
been an absolute joy. And for anyone

1052
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,560
who has played the game and was
thinking about playing it again, I absolutely

1053
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:19,039
encourage playing like the Last of Us
Part one. It's just a phenomenal ride

1054
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:23,640
and it's so well done. I
also appreciate the characters more. I appreciate

1055
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:30,000
the girlfriend character so much more playing
this game though that I've watched the show

1056
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,159
Tess. Yes, oh yeah,
yeah. I think the first time I

1057
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:36,720
played this game, I was like, Oh, she's helping guide us through

1058
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:43,359
the area because she knows everybody.
But after watching the show and playing it

1059
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,039
again in part one, I'm like, Oh, this is a badass character

1060
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,600
that you are so lucky to know, Like, you're so lucky that she

1061
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:58,039
like dates you and likes you because
she knows everyone is extremely well ingrained in

1062
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:00,920
the entire community, and respect did
among all of her peers, and they

1063
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:05,560
built this like monolith character And I
never picked up on that the first time

1064
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:11,119
I played this game, Like Test
is a badass the entire first the entire

1065
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:14,000
first game, and we just yeah, you don't really, I guess I

1066
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:16,199
just like never considered it until playing
it again. Yeah. We had an

1067
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:23,039
op ed on Polygon about how the
show really did her dirty, just in

1068
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:28,199
terms of not really respecting the game's
character. It's though, because I didn't

1069
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:30,720
appreciate the character until I saw the
show, and then I realized, holy

1070
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,319
shit, in the game, she's
a fucking like like everyone. When you

1071
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,439
walk into a room, everyone's like, oh, hey, Tess, like

1072
01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:41,399
so glad you were able to come
by, Like I want to show you

1073
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,159
these things, and she's like I
don't have time for that right now,

1074
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,920
dude. Yeah, like you,
as Joel gets, you get no respect

1075
01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:49,800
walking into spaces. Everybody gives a
shit about Tests when you walk into that

1076
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:54,199
game. And I don't think I
ever really processed that the first time I

1077
01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,319
played this game. Did Naughty Dog
have input or any kind of creative stuff

1078
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:02,439
on the show, like Neil Druckman
is. He's involved. He's a director,

1079
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,359
writer, co executive producer. Him
and Craig. He was working on

1080
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,920
the actual scripture the show. Yeah, yeah, he wrote, he directed.

1081
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:15,600
I think it's the Which episode did
he direct the second episode? I

1082
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,359
believe. I guess I would explain
why it seems more, you know,

1083
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,359
like accurate to the actual game.
Yeah, because he also, I mean

1084
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,800
he and Craig Mazin, who did
a Chernobyl? Did you aust Chernobyl?

1085
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:35,000
Nah, it's not slow, it's
if you don't do you know much.

1086
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,560
I just can't imagine something about a
nuclear thing Milton down being action packed.

1087
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,319
I don't blame you. I mean
it's not sentence, it's not it's not

1088
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:50,640
like blow up. It's like it
melds from the right now. It's not

1089
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:57,319
show. No, it was like
tragedy, but like the show. Yeah,

1090
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,520
especially if you don't know much about
it. The show isn't know anything

1091
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,359
about you should watch Chernobyl. I
think it's it's enthralling. Like that's different

1092
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,319
Free Mile Island, right, Yes, Okay, same concept of nuclear like

1093
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:15,319
straight up to Homer Simpson esque,
like fucking power plant, Blue Upper melted

1094
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,000
down or something. Right, they
go into why at all and like it's

1095
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:27,039
crazy. I'm sure caused a lot
of bad stuff. Yeah, it's quite

1096
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:30,680
it's I mean it's not. It's
it's a mini series. I think it's

1097
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,039
eight one hour episodes. It's phenomenally
executed. Each component of it, especially

1098
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:38,800
episode one. Like if anyone's like, I don't know, I'm worried it's

1099
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,159
gonna have a slow start, just
watch episode one. Episode one is a

1100
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:45,399
fucking ride. It is all like
all the people that are like, you

1101
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,680
need to do something and they're like, it's not that big of a deal.

1102
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:54,720
Dan. If you like the Annihilation
recently, Chernobyl is very similarly toned.

1103
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,039
Yeah, Like Annihilation is not action
packed most of the time. There

1104
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,560
are some scenes that are like oh
this monster attacking them. Sure, but

1105
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:05,000
it's similarly like I guess entrancing.
It sounds boring to me because it's based

1106
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,079
on a real thing that happened,
and I feel that, like fiction is

1107
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:13,680
always more interesting than reality, you
know, I get that perspective. It's

1108
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,039
this chernibl I think does a lot
more. It digs into a lot of

1109
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:24,520
the context surrounding it and the character
they honed in on specific people, and

1110
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,000
they are really compelling characters, for
better or worse, in the show,

1111
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,880
I think I think it's even more
impressive because it's not well, a lot

1112
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,039
of it is parts of it are
fictionalized, but by and large it follows

1113
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:40,159
what happened. They're like a bad
guy. There are everybody's a bad guy.

1114
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,960
It's it's it's a basic it's a
it's basically an indictment of like Soviet

1115
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,319
Soviet flavor of communism. We'll see
like Inglorious Batchards. Maastards is fun because

1116
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:53,920
it's like based on real stuff,
but then at the end you got like

1117
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,560
the big bad like Wolfenstein anying,
where it's like, let's shot Hitler in

1118
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,680
the face a billion times, Like
that's fun. Yeah, No, it's

1119
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,199
not like that. This is this
is more like, uh, I'm trying

1120
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,399
to think of what you could compare
it to. I don't know. I

1121
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,079
think if you liked Annihilation, it's
I mean totally, it's it's the same.

1122
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:10,920
It's not action packed, but uh, okay, did you watch um?

1123
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,680
Trying to think of other there are
a lot of good non fiction or

1124
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,079
like based on real events like Saman
for Ryan, a lot that's really fictionalized

1125
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:25,279
of what happened now from what I
no, Oh, Muti's really good.

1126
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,520
I'm trying to think of that.
I've never thought of it that way,

1127
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,880
Like, what is a movie based
on like a real serious thing that I

1128
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:32,960
really liked? Like I saw Dune
Kirk and they're like, oh, that

1129
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:38,800
seems well made, but it didn't
really make me feel anything. Um brothers

1130
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:43,159
Argo, I never saw it.
Um the fuck? I just avoid that

1131
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,079
across the board. I've never thought
of that. A lot of most a

1132
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:47,479
lot of most sports movies are based
on real things too. Remember the Titans

1133
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Miracle Ready to Rumble wasn't um Um? Maybe I don't walk in? What

1134
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,760
was it? Pain and Gain?
What didn't kicked? As? It was

1135
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,520
awesome? That was based on a
real I think it was. I think

1136
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,319
it was. Yeah, that'st and
Furious isn't um? You should can I

1137
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,479
I want to look at my letter
box and see if I have any five

1138
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,359
stars based in real stories. Dark
Night wasn't. There's probably a bunch of

1139
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,640
obvious ones we're not thinking of right
now. Two thousand and one wasn't.

1140
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,039
Yeah, hell, I never thought
of that. I saw the Three Gun.

1141
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:27,159
The three Gun was really good.
Do you see that? No,

1142
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:29,960
not yet, the Megan the Robot
thing. Yeah, oh I saw that.

1143
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,479
I saw it in theaters. It's
awesome. It's pretty good, way

1144
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,800
better than I expected. Oh,
we just watched Freddy got fingered. What

1145
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,600
the fuck? Why are you jumping
around like this? I can't possibly like

1146
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:48,680
react. There's too many things happening. Moneyball stop, okay, My Five

1147
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,359
Stars Shining didn't happen. Godfather didn't
happen, Matrix didn't happen, Blade Runner

1148
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:58,399
didn't happen. Didn't happen, Jurassic
Park, Clockwork, Orange Blade Runner,

1149
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,760
Jaws didn't happen. There were Blood
that wasn't based on a real story,

1150
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:04,159
Yeah happen. It was based on
all right, he's just he's not even

1151
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:11,840
letting us responding now. It's based
it's set in US. Setting is Cucker's

1152
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,680
nest. It's based on a fictional
terminator didn't happen. Prod of the didn't

1153
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,119
happen, Creed didn't happen, Mission
Possibill followed didn't happen. Rocky didn't happen,

1154
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,319
Point Break didn't happen, Big Trouble, Little China didn't happen. The

1155
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:26,920
Rock didn't happen, Gremlins too,
didn't happen, Highlander didn't happen, not

1156
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,239
oh the Jinks. But that's a
documentary, um chop. Chernobyl is like

1157
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:35,119
a cross between nonfiction and documentary.
I've gone through all my five stars now,

1158
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:36,960
which I realized it is a weird
phrase. But yes, there is

1159
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:43,399
a difference between documentary and nonfiction.
Fuckers, go ahead and comment I specially

1160
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:50,439
literally. Chernobyl is tank controls.
Um. But yeah, but anyway,

1161
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:56,840
Um. I another game I played
in the meanwhile that I think both of

1162
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,319
you would like quite a bit.
It's called patch Quest. What is this,

1163
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,079
yeah, tell us I mentioned in
Discord last week. It is let

1164
01:19:03,159 --> 01:19:09,279
me let me throw a bunch of
words at you. It combines aspects of

1165
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:15,359
rugelikes, bullet hells, um,
Pokemon sort of but like Pokemon light,

1166
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:21,119
animal collecting, plant documenting. Um. What is What's what it's like?

1167
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:25,640
Enter the gungeon, binding of Isaac. These are all words I like.

1168
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,039
I just have to say I almost
downloaded this game and I didn't because,

1169
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,399
like before, you talked about this
like on my own and I didn't because

1170
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:39,000
the art style I don't like it
in screenshots. In action, I think

1171
01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:43,199
it's actually I like it more.
Yeah, patch Quests by um Leechy Game

1172
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:47,520
Labs. It looks like one person. Yes, it's it. Uh,

1173
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,960
it's supposed so it's supposed it's called
it's you're literally like putting the tiles on

1174
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:57,159
the map are like pieces of a
quilt, and you're traveling through different biomes.

1175
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,600
Um, And it's supposed to be
like I I think it supposed to

1176
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,000
be overly cute. But then you
start looking pretty mobile game looking. Yeah,

1177
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:08,640
I can see that necessarily, but
it looks mobile emotion though on my

1178
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,520
Steam deck, I it so much
is going on that I don't notice.

1179
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,520
Sure, um, it feels great
basically the gist of it. You're setting

1180
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,199
out on these expeditions and it's obviously
randomly generated tiles. I'll up quilt,

1181
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:29,640
patch, et cetera. Umo that
uh, and then you're you're last sewing

1182
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,680
different monsters and riding them around.
Stop doing that? What's the cash?

1183
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:41,119
Actually, I think it's less suing, less suing. I think it's less

1184
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:45,439
suing. Is it? No last
sue? I last sued it, I

1185
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,920
last owed it. Maybe that's the
Kansas thing. Oh yeah, we last

1186
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,119
sued it. No lasso, I
know lasso is the noun it's it is.

1187
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,640
Did it change? Oh I last
sued that thing. I don't know.

1188
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,760
Maybe maybe I don't. I don't
know. I'm not I never used

1189
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,800
one. But you're you're capturing different
months. Some are like an armadillo with

1190
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,840
a hat on. Some are like
a moth, some are Some are a

1191
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,840
tortoise that shoots water at people,
and you're adding them to your bciary,

1192
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,119
and then you are fighting random minibosses. You're getting upgrades to like six stats.

1193
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,840
It's a roguelike you're getting. The
permanent upgrades are largely the animals you're

1194
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:23,479
collecting and the plans you're documenting.
You're getting different animal for your blaster based

1195
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,520
on fruit. It's like overly cute. It's like the grapes are the rapid

1196
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:32,640
fire AMMO. The pumpkins are the
explosives. The bananas are homing. But

1197
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,279
it feels great. They say bullet
hell and it can get challenging, but

1198
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:45,319
you'll get The tortoise, for instance, is basically blast toys. You unlock

1199
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:48,319
three different abilities with each animal.
If you beat minibosses, and the tortoise

1200
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:53,479
might have this like shell, you
can use that deflects projectiles, but then

1201
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:59,319
you can also shoot water off out
of his back upwards at enemies, or

1202
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:00,960
you could shoot stuff in front of
him out of his mouth, and then

1203
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,000
you also have your blaster. So
I guess the overall flow is very much

1204
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:10,560
like you venture out to capture an
animal, whichever one seems like it's going

1205
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,399
to be the most helpful for you. You're unlocking new biomes like the hills,

1206
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:20,279
the grasslands. You're documenting new plants
that are also give you new perks.

1207
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,560
By and large, it's it feels
like Binding of Isaac. Definitely some

1208
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,239
enter the gunge in aspects and Pokemon
light aspects. And I'm playing my steam

1209
01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:35,680
Deck. I'm liking it quite a
bit. It's a good playing game because

1210
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,359
I have some long flights coming up, I think. So, I mean,

1211
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:44,680
I've been playing my steam Deck on
the couch. I've only played.

1212
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,239
I've died three times, so I
haven't played enough to like have a complete

1213
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:54,960
understanding of the overall roguelike loop.
But just from what I understand, yeah,

1214
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,520
I'm unlocking new animals that are going
to help me. It's like Pokemon

1215
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,680
if there were also guns and it
was a roguelike and all right. There

1216
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:10,199
are metroidvaniy aspects too, like you
are unlocking. While most the map is

1217
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:15,479
mostly procedurally generated, there are also
these hard gates into new biomes that you

1218
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,600
need to go the long way around
through a previously unlocked biome and then fight

1219
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,640
a boss and unlock this gate.
So next time after you die, you

1220
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,279
can leave your hut and go straight
into the new biome you unlocked if you

1221
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:30,840
want to, if there are animals
there you didn't collect, etc. Um.

1222
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,560
I like it quite a bit.
It was made by like one person

1223
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,960
over like seven years or I don't
know. I'm in those cases often like

1224
01:23:38,039 --> 01:23:41,479
they had people who did the music
and whatnot, but largely credited to one

1225
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:46,119
person. Starts music was them too. Yeah, yeah, man, everything

1226
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,560
you say like it's it sounds like
something I should like. I just I

1227
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:54,840
really have a hard time getting over
that style. I find it hard on

1228
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,119
the eyes. It's not it's not
appealing to me. Yeah, I don't

1229
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:00,479
disagree with you. And I saw
screenshots. I'm like that, this doesn't

1230
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,399
look good. But then I don't
know, I started playing. I'm like,

1231
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:09,239
so much was happening that I wasn't
really paying attention. But um,

1232
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,119
yeah, I'm trying to. I
also felt that about Wildermith, but then

1233
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,239
I started playing Wildermith, Like,
I get why they're doing this even if

1234
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:19,079
I don't particularly like it. Um, but I don't think the game is

1235
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:21,560
going to do if if that's your
opinion after playing for like a few minutes,

1236
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,960
I don't think the game's going to
change your mind, right, It

1237
01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:29,079
doesn't. It's not like a flash
game, look like like Hollow Night or

1238
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:32,520
anything. So so you can get
past and yeah, sorry sounding black and

1239
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:38,439
white. Yeah, it's not just
color. Yeah, it's got like some

1240
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:45,880
dark browns, different shades, gray
browns, yellow and gold. Yeah.

1241
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:48,800
Yeah, I don't know. Try
it out. It's Uh. I like

1242
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,000
patch Quest quite a bit. Um
Mary, what else you've been playing?

1243
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:58,479
Um? I got back into Destiny. WHOA, Yeah, I was expected

1244
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:06,479
with light Fall. What a surprise. I heard there was a new campaign

1245
01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:15,760
Lightfall, and I haven't played this
genuinely since Destiny one. I don't think

1246
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,800
i've played Destiny Too, which is
I don't think we've ever talked about Destiny

1247
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:26,479
on this podcast. I liked Destiny
one, and I had a lot of

1248
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,359
friends that played the absolute ever living
shit at a Destiny Too this is a

1249
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:32,720
game that makes people addicted and you
like play for hours and hours and hours,

1250
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:38,079
and I just didn't get into Destiny
too. But then when the light

1251
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:41,399
Fall campaign happened, I think I
wanted to like have a night, a

1252
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,960
chill night where I like didn't want
to play. I didn't want to do

1253
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,840
anything else besides play an online game
with friendos. And I actually is where

1254
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,319
Destiny shines, right, Like you
get three to six people together to either

1255
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,399
raid or do some of the campaign, and so I thought I'd give it

1256
01:25:55,439 --> 01:26:01,239
a whirl and get back in.
Um. It is still extraordinarily fun to

1257
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:09,680
play the campaign in Destiny with other
people. It is still so fun to

1258
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,199
run through the areas shooting things and
leveling up your character. That campaigns are

1259
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:20,239
fun, That is the good news. The onboarding for people who have not

1260
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:30,000
been in in a while is a
trip hole account, lots of icons floating

1261
01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:31,680
on your screen when you jump in, or at least when I did with

1262
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:40,119
Shadow Keep the previous expansion. I
meant, like forty people but I've never

1263
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:44,359
talked to that had a lot to
say. I didn't know anything about them.

1264
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,439
The UI didn't make any sense,
Like every time I talked to someone.

1265
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,680
They would be like, this guy
doesn't have anything for you right now,

1266
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,199
and it's like, why are you
telling me this? You told me

1267
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:56,920
to talk to this asshole. I'm
only talking to him because you told me

1268
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,439
to. And then it's like,
this guy doesn't have anything for you right

1269
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,840
now, and probably because I'm one
of those weird newbies. This late into

1270
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,199
Destiny Too where the game doesn't cater
to me anymore. So it's like,

1271
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:09,520
hey, this guy doesn't have anything
for you because you're too low level.

1272
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,359
But if I was high level,
then he would have something for me.

1273
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,239
But like then made sure that I
talk to him, because these are all

1274
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:24,560
very important characters in the universe of
Destiny Too speak just catering to hardcoes at

1275
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,680
this point because like, I think
Destiny's Destiny is incredible, like you know,

1276
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,359
but I will just play like the
Bass Game basically, like I played

1277
01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:31,920
like fifty or sixty hours of the
Bass Game, played it with friends,

1278
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,239
did raids, all that stuff.
It's an excellent game. But then you

1279
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,960
just kind of hear about it as
like you know, oh, let's say

1280
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,319
a couple of years go by and
you don't play it and you hear friends

1281
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,039
be like Oh, yeah, this
new expansion or whatever is great. But

1282
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:45,800
then you also hear what you're describing
right now, Mary, and it's like

1283
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:47,840
that instantly, when I hear that, I'm like, well, fuck that,

1284
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,560
I'm not doing that. I'll wait
till the new game comes out,

1285
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,600
you know, Like, I'm just
not gonna fucking get thrown into a thing

1286
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:58,560
and have to read eight billion tutorial
screens about weird systems. I've had this

1287
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:03,720
experience before where I felt like I
was left out, and I don't want

1288
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:10,560
to be that person that's constantly asking
people like to chip in and get me

1289
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,840
through the level and guide me there. I'm not ashamed of it, it's

1290
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,399
just I don't want to do it
all the time. Destiny to At this

1291
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,199
level, you're going to have to
ask a lot of people for help,

1292
01:28:20,359 --> 01:28:24,600
especially through the raid. I don't
think you could get through the raid without

1293
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,880
an experienced person to assist you.
All of that aside, I would say

1294
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:35,439
that I have thoroughly enjoyed the first
half of the Lifeball campaign I'm in.

1295
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:43,199
I've gotten through four out of the
eight are the missions. I'm having a

1296
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:47,800
great time. I'm really enjoying it. I'm playing with other people, One

1297
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,960
of the things that's a bit of
a bumber is is that there's only two

1298
01:28:51,079 --> 01:28:59,520
difficulties that I'm aware of. There's
normal and there's legendary Normal. If I

1299
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:05,560
come sorrow from like another podcast,
um, they said it was baby ass.

1300
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,960
Baby mode is like normal because it's
so easy. You can pop.

1301
01:29:11,039 --> 01:29:17,800
You can headshop people and just pop
them from nowhere. That is like my

1302
01:29:18,039 --> 01:29:23,800
experience with normal mode when we changed
it to Legendary. Sometimes I had to

1303
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:29,359
do the mission eight to ten times
to be able to get through it because

1304
01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:34,720
it's so difficult on legendary mode.
The scale from those difficulties is insane.

1305
01:29:35,279 --> 01:29:38,680
Can you play with people that are
like if you were on Normal and your

1306
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,399
friends are on Legendary or vice versa, can you play together? I think

1307
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,960
it's instance. Is it like,
okay, we are playing a legendary survey?

1308
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,520
I think only the director can do
it? Or like, who is

1309
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,239
it the leader? I'm the leader. I was a leader in this case,

1310
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:53,439
and we thought it was too easy, so we upscaled it to a

1311
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,079
legendary and we played through like a
bunch of it on Legendary, and then

1312
01:29:58,119 --> 01:30:01,760
we got really stuck on a couple
of bosses and it took hours to get

1313
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:06,399
through it. I would prefer playing
on Legendary because playing on Normal is a

1314
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:11,520
bit too easy. You can get
through it, but you're kind of just

1315
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,560
burning through it. Legendary is like, all right, they start from the

1316
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,680
left here, and then halfway through
you're gonna want to go to the right

1317
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,920
because then they flank from the right, and then you have to strategize.

1318
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,960
You have to consider all these different
aspects on Legendary mode that you didn't before,

1319
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:30,880
and I prefer that. I enjoy
that. The issue with Legendary is

1320
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:35,800
it is a bit draining playing for
four hours and questioning whether or not you're

1321
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:41,079
gonna be able to get through it. So you need someone with that experience

1322
01:30:41,159 --> 01:30:46,079
to be able to get you through. But very very exciting to play through

1323
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:53,159
these campaigns with friends and scream and
laugh and cry and die and try and

1324
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:57,239
get through these campaigns. Lightfall is
fun. I heard it didn't get super

1325
01:30:57,279 --> 01:31:00,520
good reviews. It's probably from people
who've been playing this game for ages and

1326
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,000
didn't think that it was like justified
maybe through the story or through the gameplay.

1327
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:09,079
As a person coming back into Destiny, I loved the campaign. I

1328
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:14,279
just think that the onboarding is dogshit
for newcumbers because it's not it's not placating

1329
01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:15,720
to me. Doesn't care whether or
not I'm having a good time, But

1330
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,840
it was hard for me to know
what to do a lot. Sure.

1331
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,840
Every time I see every type with
the new expansions, I always see like

1332
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,720
some of the guns that are coming
with it and the aesthetic, and I

1333
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,319
see this one, and it's so
tempting because it's got that like eighties neon

1334
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:36,399
vibe. I know, the whole
area is eighties neon. It's really sereal

1335
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:40,119
and like some of the armor you
can get now, it's just it just

1336
01:31:40,279 --> 01:31:44,399
looks like Miami Vice but Destiny,
and like, oh god, this looks

1337
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:45,680
awesome. I love that you brought
that up, Mike, because it was

1338
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,479
one of the things that really tripped
me up about this new area, because

1339
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:55,960
the whole concept of Destiny to me
is sci fi fantasy, and I expect

1340
01:31:56,039 --> 01:31:59,960
it to look that way. I
expect it to look that sci fi fantasy

1341
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:10,199
style. To have these long stretches
of environments that are eighties esque streets with

1342
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:15,960
cars on the side of the roads
was jarring to me. It didn't feel

1343
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:19,319
like I was playing Destiny, but
to me, someone who is just coming

1344
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:24,720
back into the fray, I was
okay with it. I bet to someone

1345
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,279
who's been playing this game for a
really long time, that might actually be

1346
01:32:28,399 --> 01:32:32,439
upsetting to them because it doesn't look
like Destiny. It doesn't well because then

1347
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,159
there was the last one. I
played a lot at Destiny one. I

1348
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:40,359
was reviewing something like the expansions for
game Spot, and then two came out.

1349
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,119
I was like, I played the
bass game that I played the first

1350
01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:47,760
expansion, and if memory served,
the first expansion was like Nordic Armor inspired

1351
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,760
and that was super cool too,
Like I love the idea that every expansion,

1352
01:32:51,039 --> 01:32:56,640
the like armor sets and weapons they're
bringing with it have this thematic through

1353
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,640
line. And I saw this and
like, oh god, this looks super

1354
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,840
cool. Like up my alley,
I'd like the neon infused armor. But

1355
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,560
I'm not going to do it that. I'm not going back to Warframe either,

1356
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,079
even though Warframe is released some pretty
cool looking new characters, I'm not

1357
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:16,119
going to do it. It's hard
to justify people getting back into it.

1358
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:24,640
But I will say freely that I
had to blast playing through the campaign and

1359
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,720
I plan on returning this weekend.
I will do it. And I'd like

1360
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,039
to do that raid as well.
I don't think it's easy for newcomers.

1361
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:35,119
I think if you have a couple
of friends that you just want to play

1362
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:40,520
a game for the weekend, it's
still good. It's still a good place

1363
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:45,359
to like spend your night and enjoy
playing games with friends. It's not perfect,

1364
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,399
but god, it's still a joy
to work together to try and burn

1365
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:54,199
through a campaign. Well, here's
a question, because like I am somewhat

1366
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,359
curious about this, because I really
do think Destiny is an incredibly well made

1367
01:33:57,399 --> 01:34:00,039
game and I've had a lot of
fun with it. But for reasons I

1368
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:02,199
already said, I'm intimidated about getting
back in. Let's say there is a

1369
01:34:02,359 --> 01:34:04,680
night that I want, like me
and some friends want to play online,

1370
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,960
and that is rare. It is
very rare. I do not play multiplayer

1371
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:11,279
games for the most part, So
if we're going to do that, it's

1372
01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:15,520
kind of a catch up, hangout
type thing. And typically in recent months

1373
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:16,920
it's been like Fortnite because you can
go in and just mindlessly, you know,

1374
01:34:17,039 --> 01:34:18,800
just play and shoot and stuff like
that and have a good time,

1375
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:23,479
play a couple of hours, go
to bed whatever. If I want to

1376
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,359
have that hang out moment or hours
or whatever. Is most of that going

1377
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,720
to be like, Oh, if
my friend plays Destiny, they're gonna have

1378
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,680
to be explaining shit to me for
like two hours and we don't actually get

1379
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,439
to catch up talk Like is it
like if it's just gonna be like a

1380
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:38,800
one off night of playing games,
is it too dense to just kind of

1381
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:44,439
hop back in play some games together, Like you're on three hours? Fine,

1382
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,960
yeah, okay. I would say
that you're going to spend easily,

1383
01:34:47,319 --> 01:34:51,239
And this is what happened to me
easily an hour being like where are we?

1384
01:34:53,039 --> 01:34:57,840
Who's this guy? Where's my gun? It takes you an hour to

1385
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,159
get all the necessary google and understand
your surroundings. But once we got into

1386
01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:05,560
the campaign, I was having a
good time. I think I played for

1387
01:35:06,079 --> 01:35:12,840
six hours and I was really enjoying
myself at the end of it. The

1388
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,319
beginning was rough, but you'll get
through it in about an hour. Yeah,

1389
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:18,760
Because I jumped back in to play
with my brother and my nephew after

1390
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,359
the first expansion. I played with
them for like a day. The problem

1391
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,199
is not the amount of stuff that
they throw at you. It's that,

1392
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,359
like you said, Mary, you'll
meet this character who will give you every

1393
01:35:30,399 --> 01:35:33,600
once in a while, like a
story center quest, but he also has

1394
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:40,439
these high level items that you get
with a currency that you don't even know.

1395
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:45,520
You don't even you haven't even unlocked
the missions to earn that currency,

1396
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,920
so you don't even understand what this
vendor is for. And then later on

1397
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:54,880
you realize, oh, these are
like, these are tokens to install X

1398
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:59,720
on this other weapon. It's if, Yeah, the game is very intricate.

1399
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,439
I say this is someone who has
played who played Destiny Too and its

1400
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,760
first expansion and the first game a
lot enough to know obviously they know what

1401
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,399
they're doing when they're building these expansions
on top of each other. But yeah,

1402
01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:14,039
new player onboarding is a problem that
like war Frame has been grappling with

1403
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:16,239
for five years as well. And
I haven't played war Frame in like two

1404
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:20,399
years. I'm sure as someone who
has put over a thousand hours in a

1405
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:25,359
war Frame, if I were to
jump in today, I would be fucking

1406
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,319
I don't I'm sure a lot of
it would still make sense. But that's

1407
01:36:30,359 --> 01:36:33,119
the problem of these kind of games. It's like their lifestyle games quote unquote,

1408
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:35,359
if they haven't been your lifestyle for
two years. Then how do you

1409
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:43,560
make it your lifestyle again? It's
a hard thing to justify how ridiculous it

1410
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,319
is to get into it, But
I can't deny how I felt it kind

1411
01:36:45,359 --> 01:36:49,920
of yeah, I mean art direction, and I think Destiny is the best

1412
01:36:50,119 --> 01:36:55,199
feeling shooter of all time. I
could say it's, or at least it's

1413
01:36:55,319 --> 01:36:59,079
it's top four whatever's like bad Titan
Fall, like as far as like fps,

1414
01:36:59,239 --> 01:37:01,720
like just the feel like, oh
yeah, it's it's incredible. So

1415
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:06,720
like, I absolutely get how it
hooks people. It's just I can't I

1416
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:12,079
did that enough. Like Total War
is probably my new obsession game. I

1417
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:16,199
can't add anything else, but like
Destiny, I saw Lightfile and I was

1418
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:21,520
tempted. It's just that it's good
looking. Yeah, I mean, I

1419
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:25,359
just can't deny the way it makes
makes you want to play, right.

1420
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,960
It kind of reminds me of like
when Dan had this change of heart and

1421
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:34,319
decided that Fortnite was something that he
enjoyed, and you had this realization where

1422
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:39,239
you, I swear, even on
this podcast, you said, shouldn't feel

1423
01:37:39,279 --> 01:37:41,960
like I should like it. I
don't know if I'm supposed to like it,

1424
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:44,640
but I can't help the way that
I want to keep playing it.

1425
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,520
I can't help that I want to
keep playing Destiny, even though it's done

1426
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,439
a lot to make me not want
to, but man, I kind of

1427
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,000
want to play more Destiny. And
the more you play, the more you'll

1428
01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:58,279
just kind of learn through osmosis,
whether it's from a friend that you're playing

1429
01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:01,399
with or just like, oh,
I see how this vendor fit into that

1430
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,600
quest line fits into this currency.
It's like the games are designed to be.

1431
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:10,880
They have to be intricate for or
they have to be layered for people

1432
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:14,000
to stick around, So naturally it's
going to be I don't know, it's

1433
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,680
like learning a new coding language for
a couple of weeks. And forgive me

1434
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:24,560
because I don't know if this is
already introduced in previous updates to Destiny too,

1435
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,880
because I haven't played it. But
there are these skill upgrades in Lightfall

1436
01:38:30,399 --> 01:38:34,960
that I think are reminiscent of almost
being like Spider Man. There is the

1437
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:40,279
weave. Weave that's that's new for
Life Fall. Yeah. Oh, it's

1438
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:45,199
actually so fun. You video get
to attach to other people and then it

1439
01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:50,119
kind of zip zaps you to them
or sticks you to them, and you

1440
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:54,399
can do it to an enemy,
and you can also do it to your

1441
01:38:54,880 --> 01:39:00,760
friends and kind of just zap to
them really quickly and it feels great.

1442
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:08,760
And whoever created that piece of life
all did a phenomenal job because it's very

1443
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:13,600
fun. It could be its own
component of a completely different game, and

1444
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,479
you could have a whole game having
fun with that. It's extremely fun to

1445
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:21,199
sticky yourself to someone and run to
them or bring them to you, or

1446
01:39:21,359 --> 01:39:26,199
doing that with your with your mates. Yeah, it's very very fun to

1447
01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:30,560
do that. Cool. I'm glad
you're back into it. Thank you.

1448
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,479
I'm enjoying it. I didn't think
I would, but here we are.

1449
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,600
Damn what You've been playing a bunch
of games. Okay, Actually, what

1450
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:44,840
I'm curious about as an Arcane Studio's
nerd, you played Red Fall for a

1451
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:49,000
bit. What was I think we
did the same preview, But I think

1452
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:53,079
we did the same preview. I'm
curious what you thought of it. Um.

1453
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:57,640
I was curious about the game before
I no longer really have any interest

1454
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:02,439
in playing. Yeah, so okay. My take is that it is Arcanes

1455
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:08,359
take on like a far Christ style
word worlds in like a Salem, Massachusetts

1456
01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:13,239
style halloween ish kind of place.
Am I anywhere close? I kept thinking

1457
01:40:13,319 --> 01:40:17,760
more of Borderlands with some of the
tone and writing and just skill tree attempts

1458
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,760
and stuff like that. But I
think it's a it is a bad attempt

1459
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,119
at a I don't say bad,
it's not out yet, but like it

1460
01:40:26,399 --> 01:40:30,760
is a uninspiring Borderlands, like I
would say. The whole time was playing

1461
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:35,600
it, it felt very like late
three sixty era or maybe like Xbox one

1462
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:41,359
Launch game. The gun play is
just the most rote like this is like

1463
01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:46,319
it is very generic gunplay, the
abilities and everything, like they started us

1464
01:40:46,359 --> 01:40:48,760
with characters. We played for ninety
minutes at an event in New York City,

1465
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:53,600
and you know, each character of
the four selectable characters have these different

1466
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,520
things and there's novel stuff where like
this one has a thing where like,

1467
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,479
oh, your vampire ex boyfriend you
can summon and he'll fight for or whatever,

1468
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,560
and like I had a little robot
that could like you know, distract

1469
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,920
enemies and stuff like that, but
none of it even felt as good as

1470
01:41:06,039 --> 01:41:10,600
in the first Borderlands, like the
abilities and stuff there, and and that

1471
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:15,000
I feel like whenever I whenever I
look at a skill tree, I look

1472
01:41:15,039 --> 01:41:16,319
at every single little thing, and
I try to decide, like in Borderlands

1473
01:41:16,359 --> 01:41:18,920
it would have three different columns,
be like, oh, this one gets

1474
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,399
fucking nuts by the end of this
path of the skill tree. I gotta

1475
01:41:21,399 --> 01:41:24,960
go for that. So one of
the first things I did is they gave

1476
01:41:25,039 --> 01:41:27,840
us a handful of skill points.
I went to the skill tree hovered over

1477
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,319
every single icon. It's like,
okay, now my little robot guy will

1478
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:33,680
have like an area of effect health
recharge, and no, here the seaport

1479
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:39,279
explosion will have a slightly bigger radius
of effect or whatever. There wasn't any

1480
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:41,640
kind of like whoa, they're getting
crazy here, like you know, I

1481
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,159
gotta see what that's like. Like. It was just like, okay,

1482
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,960
making like incremental upgrades or tiny little
ability changes, and yeah, I didn't

1483
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,800
think there were the abilities were that
interesting to begin with. Yeah, Borderlines,

1484
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,640
for all of its faults in its
scripting, is like, now your

1485
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,319
summonable bird will fire a salvo of
electrified missile that create a swamp of electricity.

1486
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,560
I was like, Okay, you
wanted to get ridiculous. You want

1487
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,880
to break it in ways, you
know, you want to be able to

1488
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:10,159
make builds that are just fucking wacky. And out feel that you've broken up

1489
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,000
exactly, and like, I don't
know, we played ninety minutes, so

1490
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,960
maybe if you do your character a
certain way or whatever. Like it's not

1491
01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:17,359
the full game. I don't want
to fully cast judgment on it here,

1492
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:21,159
but it didn't feel like it had
that freedom and the gun play itself,

1493
01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:25,319
like you know, borderlines. I
keep thinking of that is like it would

1494
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:28,479
have that random element of like,
oh man, this is this craziest weapon.

1495
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,840
It's a sniper rifle that shoots electricity
and also blah blah blah this one.

1496
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,479
It's like they're different types, or
it's here's a flare gun, here's

1497
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:39,600
a steak launcher or whatever. But
the only variation I saw was like just

1498
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,319
numbers where it's like, okay,
so the gray one does forty damage and

1499
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,840
the blue one does sixty damage.
Is great. It feels the exact same

1500
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:49,479
way. And as you wander around
the world because you can do it two

1501
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:51,720
different ways, they said like,
okay, we have a story mission for

1502
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,600
you to do. If you want
to do that, go to this area,

1503
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,119
But if you want to spend your
ninety minutes just exploring, do that.

1504
01:42:57,279 --> 01:42:59,880
And like, I'm very much the
type that likes open world games and

1505
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,000
getting into trouble, you know,
setting a waypoint on the map, heading

1506
01:43:02,039 --> 01:43:04,600
that way, and then getting distracted
by five or six things on the way.

1507
01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:09,680
There was nothing in the open world
that I found like distracting in a

1508
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,159
fun way. It's just like here's
a cluster of like three or four enemies,

1509
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,359
and like AI problems, Like a
lot of them would just be like

1510
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,119
facing walls and not even reacting to
me, like walking right past them,

1511
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:20,239
or running into walls and not stopping. Like and this game's about to come

1512
01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:25,560
out, so I think there's a
little more like five weeks away. Yeah,

1513
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,399
there's there's some concerns there. But
like even if it was all working

1514
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,000
properly in everything, like I don't
know if those three guys got into a

1515
01:43:31,039 --> 01:43:34,000
gunfight with me, they don't feel
that great the gun. And there was

1516
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:38,479
also a time where they all like
sank into the ground and like all of

1517
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,560
their shots were no clipping through the
ground and hitting me, but I couldn't

1518
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,880
see or hit them. So again, not a finished game, but we're

1519
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:46,800
pretty fucking close. And there were
like in the ninety minutes I've played,

1520
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,199
there were a lot of problems and
but but again, even if everything was

1521
01:43:51,279 --> 01:43:57,359
working properly, the open world seemed
like not a lot going on there.

1522
01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:00,319
I did the same type of like
you know, destroy these like hearts or

1523
01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:02,920
closing these heartness or whatever, like
three or four times, and it felt

1524
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:08,039
the exact same every single time.
Skill Tree seemed uninspired, didn't like the

1525
01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:12,600
writing, characters didn't do anything for
me. It's a yeah. I went

1526
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,279
in completely open minded. I hadn't
really followed anything. I was like,

1527
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:17,000
oh, Arcane does some cool shit. I like, you know, like

1528
01:44:17,079 --> 01:44:19,399
Borderlands types. I didn't know if
it was more of a Borderlands or a

1529
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,800
Left for Dead or what it was, but I was I went in completely

1530
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,800
open minded. You know, I
could have walked down and been like,

1531
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,239
holy shit, I'm excited for that
game now, but it was the complete

1532
01:44:27,239 --> 01:44:29,600
opposite. I walked out. I
was like, probably not gonna play that,

1533
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:34,800
so damn yammer. That's where I'm
at with it, because I mean,

1534
01:44:35,039 --> 01:44:41,239
I actually when they first announced the
game, I thought it was gonna

1535
01:44:41,239 --> 01:44:43,960
be more of a live service game
with these four character classes, a lot

1536
01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:46,720
of destiny in this world and like
your Vampire Hunters or whatever you want to

1537
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:51,560
say. But then I think it
was a state of play a few months

1538
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:56,640
ago, or was it the Game
Awards they showed more of it, and

1539
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,439
I was actually pretty intrigued because I
didn't realize they were setting it in like

1540
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:06,000
a what I took to be this
like hocus Pocus esque Salem area with like

1541
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:11,159
vampires, werewolves, Halloween themed almost. I was like, Okay, that

1542
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,479
seems kind of cool and like I
wouldn't mind seeing Arcane's take on a far

1543
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,800
Cry formula. But I don't know. Sometimes what you're describing sounds like something

1544
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:23,760
with a lot more personality than this
world had. Um, there's not there's

1545
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,439
like cultists, there's vampires. Uh, there's you know, there are some

1546
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,399
cool things. There's like like this
looks like an asteroid land and like a

1547
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,560
dock and all this water is like
frozen in time and like these boats that

1548
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:34,439
like there. I saw that.
It was like, oh, that actually

1549
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,079
looks really cool. But other than
that, it's like a lot of sami

1550
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:41,600
looking houses with not a lot of
details or interesting things to explore. Um,

1551
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:45,439
there's not a lot of personality to
this open world at all. Yeah,

1552
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:51,159
because this would have been the first
game from this studio since damn Prey.

1553
01:45:53,159 --> 01:45:55,720
Oh, this is the Prey team. I believe. So this is

1554
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:59,479
Austin, right, I have no
idea this is Arcane Austin. I believe

1555
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:01,560
the Prey t Death Loop was Arcane
Leon And let me double check this.

1556
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:08,399
I'm pretty sure this is Is this
the Dishonored team? Um leone worked on

1557
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,680
Dishonored. Okay, yeah, I
like Dishonored. I think that had a

1558
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,119
lot of like those abilities of the
team. Okay, man and Pray was

1559
01:46:16,199 --> 01:46:19,840
bold and cool and stuff. Yeah
prays cool, Yeah, yeah, yeah

1560
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:27,560
yeah, Pray. It was incredible. Um yeah, I liked parts of

1561
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,239
Death Loop. We talked a lot
about it last year. I feel like

1562
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:34,199
a lot of people fucking loved it. I don't know Arcane. I'm I'm

1563
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,119
the more and more I play Arcane
games, the more I realize I'm fascinated

1564
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:43,000
by their games, and more I'm
in like a design theory level, then

1565
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:45,560
I actually am at playing them.
Pray as an exception, I like Dishonored,

1566
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,600
but like sometimes even Dishonored had as
much as we talk about. Dishonored

1567
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:56,239
two is fantastic, but it's still
has a lot of hiccups. And uh,

1568
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,439
the more and more I appreciate that
Arcane tries new thing was a lot

1569
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:05,760
or pretty often, but I just
I'm I'm more fascinated with their games from

1570
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:13,439
a distance, I think. And
that's coming out four days after Jedi Survivor

1571
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,680
and wow, like two weeks before
Tears of the Kingdom. Oh man.

1572
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:24,600
Yeah, yeah, it's uh,
not super interesting to me, not a

1573
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,560
good first impression and not a train
wreck. It's it's just one of those

1574
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,560
things. It's just kind of there, and I think it's going to be

1575
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:32,520
forgotten. I think I could be
wrong. Maybe it's just me, but

1576
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,680
I didn't I didn't talk to anyone
of that event that I was like,

1577
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:38,239
holy shit, did you see this
part? It's like in Backlar was there

1578
01:47:38,279 --> 01:47:40,239
and we did a whole thing on
John Bond where we talked about it,

1579
01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:42,960
like I think he's a little more
positive on it than I am, but

1580
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:45,399
his was mainly just from the like, oh, I like spooky stuff in

1581
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:47,920
this game had spooky stuff, and
uh, I don't dislike spooky stuff,

1582
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,119
but it's I'm curious. I'm gonna
play it just because I play all their

1583
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:55,079
games. Maybe I'll play it too. But it's a shame to hear.

1584
01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:58,800
Yeah. Yeah, I was hoping
for like more, this is actually cooler

1585
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,119
to like come enough from under the
radar thing, Uma, Dan, talk

1586
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,359
about the other games you're playing,
because I want to ask Mary about Webbed.

1587
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:08,199
When I get back, I gotta
go to the kids Webbed that she's

1588
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:11,840
been playing some game called webb that
I'm curious about. Oh okay, yes,

1589
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:13,720
I can do that. Mary.
I'm gonna give you a choice here,

1590
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,079
Okay, okay, all right,
do you want to hear me talk

1591
01:48:15,079 --> 01:48:23,479
about WWE two K twenty three to
Chia uh Chia because I've played that and

1592
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,600
I know a little bit about it, so tell me about it. Okay,

1593
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,279
Well, you've played it, you
know it's beautiful. It is like

1594
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:33,520
it's beautiful talk about a game with
fucking heart like this from the moment you

1595
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,319
said before you start it. And
it's just like we wanted to make this

1596
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,359
nice game about New Caledonia. Our
founders grew up here, and like we

1597
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,479
honored the spirit of the island,
but we also like you know, fictionalize

1598
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:45,600
and stuff because we didn't want to
like this respect anything, and like we

1599
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:47,399
hope you enter our game, but
it's just like you can't start like that

1600
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,800
and then like go in with any
kind of semicism. It's just like,

1601
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,800
oh man, this is what a
nice labor of love and like, but

1602
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,399
that comes through in the game.
It feels like a labor of love.

1603
01:48:56,479 --> 01:49:00,359
It feels like like that heart is
not put on you know it. Uh,

1604
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,960
it feels very earned and real and
just I don't know everything about it.

1605
01:49:04,199 --> 01:49:08,039
Is so like there's a lot of
little vinettes and stuff where you're just

1606
01:49:08,039 --> 01:49:10,439
like hanging out of the village and
you're just playing, like you got some

1607
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,199
leaves and you're playing a little like
music game thing. But if you don't

1608
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:14,920
want to play the music game stuff, you just want to see the fun

1609
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,199
little thing, just hit the button. You just watch people kind of jam

1610
01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:20,239
out and time and you know it
is a cozy game. It is a

1611
01:49:20,319 --> 01:49:24,079
cozy game. You are the Queen
of cozy games. This this is a

1612
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:27,960
certified Mary Stamp cozy game. Right. There's no question. I've seen on

1613
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:30,920
CBS Sunday Morning News, Yes,
yeah, I think I can't wrap my

1614
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,680
mind around is why can't you wire
people watching you play? It's like the

1615
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:40,840
most common question that I get with
what I do for a living is why

1616
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:45,720
would you watch someone play a video
game? So he went to twitch dot

1617
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:51,239
tv and he watched to play a
cozy game watching You're on an airplane ride

1618
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:59,000
in coach in coach. That dude
is like, inadvertently, yeah, that

1619
01:49:59,079 --> 01:50:05,479
guy's inadvertently my new favorite reporter ever, because you know Mary has said these

1620
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:09,399
answers a billion times and you just
know you're in TV and you have to

1621
01:50:09,399 --> 01:50:12,680
be like, yeah, well,
sometimes these people are charismatic and some people

1622
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,600
just like to see the streamers something. Yeah. I mean I've been programmed

1623
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:19,199
and I've been trained to be like
that is such a thoughtful question, Like

1624
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:23,039
let me tell you where it's like
deep down inside when I'm going to the

1625
01:50:23,079 --> 01:50:26,439
bathroom afterwards, I'm like, these
motherfuckers like they're always saying the same questions,

1626
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:30,079
which is like, why would I
do that? I genuinely understand why

1627
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:34,520
because my parents still kind of have
trouble with those connections, so I make

1628
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:39,840
the connection a lot. But it
is very funny to hear the same question

1629
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:43,119
over and over again. But it's
an honest question, which is why watch

1630
01:50:44,079 --> 01:50:46,319
what a strange thing that these youths
do? And it's like, well,

1631
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:50,439
we love it. It is very
much that generation. I would say,

1632
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:55,439
like forty five to sixty five just
cannot wrap their heads around. Much like

1633
01:50:55,640 --> 01:51:00,000
holes in pants, These aren't going
anywhere, so you should just get really

1634
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:03,960
adjusted to seeing it. I listened
to basically the only podcast I listened to

1635
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:11,239
nowadays is this It's Always Sunny podcast, and Glenn Howarton cannot he plays Dennis

1636
01:51:11,319 --> 01:51:15,800
in the show. He cannot wrap
his head around why his kid watches people

1637
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,640
play a video like Fortnite and stuff. Yeah, like that's a consistent thing.

1638
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:23,720
He comes back to still like you're
can't you get it? Like forty

1639
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:28,399
six, It doesn't appeal to me
at all, But I understand why people

1640
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:34,560
like to watch people play Before I
pretend to be this degenerate bar owner,

1641
01:51:35,359 --> 01:51:39,760
why do we watch anyone play pretend
you know, it's not a real robot

1642
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:44,800
from the future. He's not a
real terminator. Yeah, it's a silly

1643
01:51:45,319 --> 01:51:47,960
uh, it's it's it's a modern
thing that we're still getting adjusted to,

1644
01:51:48,199 --> 01:51:51,159
but it is. It is funny. It's a consistent thing that comes up.

1645
01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:59,000
But talking about Sheia, I actually
had the exact same feedback when I

1646
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:01,800
played this game. I talked about
it on our podcasts. It was a

1647
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,039
while ago, a couple episodes ago, because I played a pre episode,

1648
01:52:05,079 --> 01:52:08,640
like before it was out, Like
I played a little preview of it,

1649
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:12,760
and I said, it's so wild
that it allows you to play music and

1650
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,600
then you can just not play music
and be bad at it. And that's

1651
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:19,359
okay, Mike, what is it? I would just remember how I remember

1652
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:23,319
when you first brought up the fact
that her power comes out of her green

1653
01:52:23,399 --> 01:52:26,399
eye. Yeah, and then that's
when I said it comes out of my

1654
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,760
dick, or my soul tries to
escape through my dick. And now I'm

1655
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:38,319
putting it together because now people are
talking pretty reverently about Chia, and that's

1656
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:44,439
your legacy. I have had a
very unfortunate thing happened with that words like

1657
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,199
I am loving everything that game is
doing, but I started playing it on

1658
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:50,760
PS five pre release, and there
were a lot of problems with it in

1659
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,479
terms of like I had frame rate
issues. I had stuff like coming out

1660
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,520
of a cut scene where the whole
thing would be black ECCEP for the UI

1661
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,279
and I had to restart. I
was saying those things where I couldn't progress,

1662
01:52:59,279 --> 01:53:02,159
So I asked for epicode. I
got that ran a billion times smoother,

1663
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,479
but I was still running into things
I heard certain things we're supposed to

1664
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:08,920
be fixed later on. And then
I went to go try it, and

1665
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,720
there's a common thing you have to
do, Mary. Have you gotten to

1666
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,560
the stuff you have, like carved
the stone tote or the the wooden totem

1667
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:15,920
and then put it in the thing, And that's an important thing. Had

1668
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,560
to do that upgrades and everything,
and every single one of those I came

1669
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:25,800
up against. I would do the
carving like fifteen times exactly how it told

1670
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,520
me to, and then it wouldn't
unlock the door, and so I had

1671
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,479
to utilize that thing where you can
just skip any gameplay segment, so if

1672
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:33,560
you're getting stuck on something, you
can hit start and go skip. And

1673
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,520
the first couple of times that happened, I was like, Okay, I

1674
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:40,239
guess I hope it just skipped the
part where I had to carve the totem

1675
01:53:40,279 --> 01:53:42,720
because I don't want to skip this
game because I'm really enjoying it. And

1676
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,079
then I got to a new area. I don't know how far you are

1677
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:47,960
married, but I got to a
totally new area and the same thing happened.

1678
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,000
I couldn't get into the door,
and I had to skip the gameplay

1679
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:53,800
segment and then it cuts to a
cut scene where I'm like leaving that area

1680
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,880
and like characters I haven't met or
waving I have not met them yet,

1681
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,359
they're waving goodbye to me, and
I'm like, holy shit, I think

1682
01:53:59,359 --> 01:54:01,319
I missed. I don't know how
many did I lose an hour of this

1683
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:05,159
relatively short game, and so just
that type of stuff was happening enough to

1684
01:54:05,239 --> 01:54:09,279
me that I don't know if I
just need to come back to this game

1685
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:13,880
another time. But it has some
issues, But that said, if it

1686
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,319
gets to a point where everything is
working fine, It's very like everybody compared

1687
01:54:17,359 --> 01:54:20,000
it to Windwaker, because you know, the early stuff showed some sailing and

1688
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,039
stuff like that, and that is
a part of the game. I would

1689
01:54:24,039 --> 01:54:27,119
definitely think that this is more of
a Breath of the Wild like than anything.

1690
01:54:27,239 --> 01:54:30,520
It's very kind of like physics the
sandbox, Like the first time I

1691
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,119
climbed a tree and realize you could
make it whip around and jump off it

1692
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:35,640
and then activate the glider and go
around like okay, in the stamina,

1693
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:40,680
the climbing up mountains and stuff like, I was thinking of a simpler Breath

1694
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:43,399
of the Wild the whole time,
where you can like inhabit any living things,

1695
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,000
like I can I can be a
bird and fly to the top of

1696
01:54:45,039 --> 01:54:47,520
this mountain, or I can I
can take over a rock, I can

1697
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:51,239
take over a lantern, you can
take over inanimate objects even. There's a

1698
01:54:51,319 --> 01:54:55,319
lot of fun things here. A
lot of them are Zelda like, like

1699
01:54:55,439 --> 01:54:58,079
playing you know, songs to change
the time of day and things like that,

1700
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:00,640
but a lot of it is very
much its own and I think a

1701
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:04,760
lot of physics base that is.
It all works really well. The character

1702
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:08,039
is great, the unlockable is all
the cute little like oh I got this

1703
01:55:08,079 --> 01:55:12,760
frog backpack and this little straw hat
thing and everything. It's just it's absolutely

1704
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,319
delightful. There's a lot of heart
to it, I agree, and it's

1705
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:21,560
very authentic. It's genuine. The
world as sweet as pie, and it's

1706
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:28,239
very thoughtful and considerate of the environment, the people, the characters and the

1707
01:55:28,319 --> 01:55:31,960
player. It wants you to have
as much fun as you want, and

1708
01:55:32,119 --> 01:55:35,079
I think that that is all very
lovely. I also had a couple technical

1709
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:43,920
issues when I played it, and
hopefully those things will be ironed out in

1710
01:55:44,039 --> 01:55:46,720
the next few months. I think
that's a shame when a game is released,

1711
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,640
when it has game breaking issues like
the one that you experienced, and

1712
01:55:51,399 --> 01:55:56,079
it's hard to ignore, especially in
a game we're you supposed to be like

1713
01:55:56,199 --> 01:56:00,239
comfortable and having fun. So I'm
hoping that that's something that can be solved

1714
01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:02,359
because it's such a lovely game.
It's a shame that that is something that

1715
01:56:02,439 --> 01:56:06,199
we had. We talk about when
when you want to enjoy it. Yeah,

1716
01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:09,720
as when it was working, I
was loving every second of it.

1717
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:13,199
I love just like just doing fun
stuff that isn't even tied to any mission

1718
01:56:13,279 --> 01:56:15,000
or anything. It's like I took
over a bird and flew over the ocean,

1719
01:56:15,319 --> 01:56:17,359
and I hopped out a bird in
the air, and then I did

1720
01:56:17,399 --> 01:56:19,279
this thing where you can like do
all these like flips and stuff in the

1721
01:56:19,359 --> 01:56:21,119
air and it's just so funny,
like I'm gonna go up as high as

1722
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:24,319
I can. Then you just a
billion flips into the ocean. Yeah,

1723
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:29,600
Underwater looks beautiful and lots of fun
collectibles and clams and it's a It really

1724
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,319
is a delightful game. And I
would be done with the game by now

1725
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:36,239
and probably raving about it if I
had not run in some issues, for

1726
01:56:36,279 --> 01:56:41,760
sure, but very very small team
from what I've heard. I hope they

1727
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,760
get it to a good spot and
I can come back to it and start

1728
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,439
it again, because I really loved
everything I saw outside of those issues.

1729
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:50,760
I agree, so she is recommended. Just hopefully they can fix those issues.

1730
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:56,159
But doesn't really take away from the
heart of that game and how much

1731
01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:00,159
fun it is to pretend to like
to put your body into other pieces as

1732
01:57:00,199 --> 01:57:03,680
an experience, experience the environment from
them. So I think it's a ternary

1733
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,199
crab and it's like, oh,
it always tells you every time you take

1734
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:10,079
over something like RT is penned,
Sure do this? Yeah? Can I

1735
01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:11,520
do it? Is the deer?
What can I do? Is this?

1736
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,640
There's a poop button, you know, as an inanimate object, you know,

1737
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,800
you get to be all these different
pieces. That's very fun. Yeah,

1738
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:20,960
there's a lot to this game.
There's a poop button. Come onto

1739
01:57:24,399 --> 01:57:30,600
press press f h. It's very
good. Um what else? Uh,

1740
01:57:31,439 --> 01:57:34,760
Mike's back. We were also we
we talked on Chia, but we didn't

1741
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:40,079
get on any of the other ones. There was also WWE twenty two,

1742
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:45,920
twenty twenty three. I will give
the Sparks Notes version of it because I

1743
01:57:46,079 --> 01:57:49,560
did a literally feature length quick look
on Giant Bomb about it where I went

1744
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,920
into every mode and showed off my
very I made myself in the game.

1745
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,479
I mapped my own face the photo
of it onto myself, and I made

1746
01:57:56,520 --> 01:58:00,199
a very accurate myself, also a
very accurate Jeff Grub I had the I

1747
01:58:00,359 --> 01:58:02,399
face each other for the Giant Bomb
Championship. It's I would highly recommend that

1748
01:58:02,439 --> 01:58:04,960
quick look if you haven't seen it. So that's an hour and a half.

1749
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:09,159
I will give you the short version
here, also the heavily full disclosured

1750
01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:12,760
one. Because my wife Bianca you
will see in the credits as the senior

1751
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:16,680
director of Operations at w WE for
their gaming division. That's awesome. Yeah,

1752
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:25,720
she's in the credits TLDR of WWE
two K two three. It is

1753
01:58:28,199 --> 01:58:30,720
very improved in a lot of ways. It is still very flawed. It

1754
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:36,439
is bloated as hell. There are
a lot of modes. There are modes

1755
01:58:36,479 --> 01:58:40,199
that are similar to each other that
you feel like they could consolidate. There

1756
01:58:40,199 --> 01:58:43,079
are modes that make no fucking sense
even being in there and just feel like

1757
01:58:43,159 --> 01:58:45,000
weird, Like, oh, these
other sports games are doing these like card

1758
01:58:45,039 --> 01:58:47,600
based things or whatever, and we
got to have like an ultimate team thing,

1759
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:55,279
and it's just not fun to do. The gameplay itself is still very

1760
01:58:55,439 --> 01:58:58,840
floaty, and everything just feels like
kind of wet slaps, like there's not

1761
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,239
a real a lot of impact to
anything. There's just a lot of things

1762
01:59:02,319 --> 01:59:05,279
someone who loves video games and someone
who loves wrestling, there are if I

1763
01:59:05,359 --> 01:59:09,039
could just go in there and just
be like, scrap all this shit,

1764
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,239
do this. I feel like there's
a million things you could do. But

1765
01:59:11,439 --> 01:59:14,439
at its core, there are a
lot of things that are really good.

1766
01:59:14,479 --> 01:59:16,960
The gameplay is better than it's been
in a long time. I would say,

1767
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:20,279
still very flawed. Showcase modus fun. We're playing through John Stone's career,

1768
01:59:20,279 --> 01:59:24,520
you're playing with the people that beat
him, and it still has the

1769
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:29,560
craziest fucking like creation options I think
I've ever seen in the game, as

1770
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,159
far as what you can upload and
what you can make and damning your photorealistic

1771
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,880
versions of wrestlers that aren't in this
company, or you can upload to a

1772
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:39,199
picture of your own fucking tattoo and
a picture of your face and make yourself

1773
01:59:39,279 --> 01:59:43,159
however you want to. It's the
creation stuff's insane. Your own title belts

1774
01:59:43,239 --> 01:59:45,279
not like that stuff's been in there
for a long time, but they've only

1775
01:59:45,359 --> 01:59:46,640
like, you know, built and
built and built and built on that,

1776
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:49,479
and it is really impressive the dumb
shit you can do in that. And

1777
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:53,119
again I would say, look at
the Quick Look. I made my own

1778
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:56,399
my Universe mode and created wrestlers,
created divisions and belts and everything, and

1779
01:59:56,479 --> 02:00:00,560
it's it shows how wild you can
get with it. That stub is really

1780
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:02,359
cool. And I will say for
the first time, and this is not

1781
02:00:02,479 --> 02:00:06,600
just because my wife worked on the
game, first time since two K fourteen,

1782
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:12,520
so almost ten years, I can
see myself playing this post coverage,

1783
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,159
because every year since two K fourteen, I've just been like, Okay,

1784
02:00:15,239 --> 02:00:17,720
this is getting worse, this is
getting worse. I'll do the quick Look,

1785
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:19,680
I'll review it or whatever, and
then I'm done with it. This

1786
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:23,840
one, I put a lot of
time into the quick Look and creating stuff,

1787
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,239
and like I still like, well, okay, I know I'm done

1788
02:00:26,319 --> 02:00:28,439
covering it, but like, I
still want to like. I like them

1789
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,319
Universe mode and this is very silly
and fun. It's it's deeply flawed,

1790
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,800
but it's much improved, I would
say, so I would say it is

1791
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:42,439
the best it's been since K fourteen. I would say so, yep.

1792
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:47,680
I mean that is a condensed version
of an hour and a half. That

1793
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:54,479
makes sense. I think I'm glad
that it's improved, but not there yet.

1794
02:00:55,079 --> 02:00:58,199
It's still very It's it's boring and
safe. I said that on the

1795
02:00:58,279 --> 02:01:00,399
quick look. Debit Or as a
company is a boring and safe company.

1796
02:01:00,439 --> 02:01:04,119
As long as they're making money with
something, they're not going to change anything.

1797
02:01:04,279 --> 02:01:08,359
For for as weird and whacking over
the top as wrestling is. As

1798
02:01:08,399 --> 02:01:13,039
a corporation, they are fucking boring
and they are risk averse, and uh,

1799
02:01:13,439 --> 02:01:16,199
it's a kind of shows in the
product here. It's it's just kind

1800
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:19,239
of it's kind of a mess with
all the bloat and everything, and there's

1801
02:01:19,239 --> 02:01:23,000
a lot more fun to be had
in the world of wrestling that this is

1802
02:01:23,039 --> 02:01:28,000
not tapping into. Yeah. Yeah, so there's still a lot of things

1803
02:01:28,039 --> 02:01:32,159
that would definitely change, but I
am having fun with it. So that's

1804
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:40,880
two K twenty three cool, Norry. What's webbed? Um? Webbed is

1805
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:45,479
a game that I stumbled across looking
for a game to stream last week.

1806
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:50,399
Every once in a while I try
and play like games that just came out.

1807
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:57,840
This game did not just come out. This game came out on I

1808
02:01:58,039 --> 02:02:00,239
was playing it on Steam, and
I think it came out lash year.

1809
02:02:00,119 --> 02:02:05,359
I came out to very little fanfare
twenty twenty one, so even longer two

1810
02:02:05,439 --> 02:02:11,119
years ago. But it ticked all
the boxes of games that I like,

1811
02:02:13,079 --> 02:02:17,039
and it was twenty five percent off, so I gave it a whirl.

1812
02:02:18,439 --> 02:02:25,119
Weird. You are a spidy and
it has two different types of webs that

1813
02:02:25,199 --> 02:02:30,000
you can sling. One is essentially
like a hook shot, so you are

1814
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:36,159
swinging from your web, but the
other one is a pick two destinations and

1815
02:02:36,319 --> 02:02:45,399
it makes a walking wire for you. You automatically, when touching a web,

1816
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:49,359
start to walk on it, which
is really fun. So you get

1817
02:02:49,399 --> 02:02:57,439
to decide and play your way of
how to solve these physics based puzzles,

1818
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:02,520
essentially how to get items to a
destination, how to lift something, how

1819
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:09,199
to drop something based on your web
design, and it's entirely up to you.

1820
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:15,319
What I wasn't prepared for was all
of the really fascinating and adorable different

1821
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:21,359
ways that it encourages you to play. There was an area almost immediately where

1822
02:03:21,399 --> 02:03:26,399
it allowed me to play with a
skateboard, and a spider on a skateboard

1823
02:03:26,479 --> 02:03:30,479
is super fun, and I'm doing
kick flips and trying to get these different

1824
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:38,119
letters, just like you would in
Tony Hawk's pro Skater, and it's very

1825
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:45,720
cute. There's elements where you're fixing
up a giant mech ant and it needs

1826
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:47,760
you to get a certain part,
so you're collecting all these parts of a

1827
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:56,600
mech ant to be able to do
it. Your spider character can trap bugs

1828
02:03:56,760 --> 02:04:00,840
in your web. There's just so
many different elements that it really thought about.

1829
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,039
It seems like a very simple indie
game when you look at it,

1830
02:04:03,279 --> 02:04:08,319
and it is, but as you
play through it, I think you'd be

1831
02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:15,119
absolutely delighted with all the thought that
came into this cute little game that allows

1832
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:18,520
you to be a spider. And
essentially, I think your partner is being

1833
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,880
taken away from you by a bird. We hate birds in this game,

1834
02:04:23,399 --> 02:04:27,159
and so you're trying to get to
save your partner. To do that,

1835
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,800
you have to be friend bees and
you have to be friend ants. So

1836
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:34,119
I spent the entire first part of
this game befriending the ants by helping the

1837
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:40,920
ants out building their tunnels, re
fixing their pipe system so they could have

1838
02:04:41,079 --> 02:04:45,199
water and heat and all these different
things you meet a lot of characters.

1839
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,079
There's a lot of fun in this
game. I think the real main hook

1840
02:04:48,119 --> 02:04:56,600
though, that I find very fascinating
is utilizing your webs to solve these puzzles

1841
02:04:56,680 --> 02:05:00,159
in very different ways. The way
Dan you would solve these web puzzles is

1842
02:05:00,279 --> 02:05:02,600
very different the way I would solve
them. They're entirely up to you,

1843
02:05:03,479 --> 02:05:09,520
and it's quite fun to be,
like, how do I solve getting this

1844
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:15,520
heavy metal object up and to the
right with nothing but my own web slinging

1845
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:19,640
fun? And damn, I had
a really good time playing Webbed. If

1846
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:25,239
this is like a physics based puzzle
game is up your alley. It's also

1847
02:05:25,359 --> 02:05:29,640
wholesome. This game is it's a
slam dunk, as they say, as

1848
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,840
as the kids say, did you
play on game Pass? No, it

1849
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:36,600
better not be on game Pass.
I bought it on Steam. I looking

1850
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:41,399
at it right now, Are you
serious? No? I'm kidding, God

1851
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:49,600
bought it Steam. Is one of
the things where it's like they're like a

1852
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:53,720
bunch of you said I would play
differently than you, like, where there's

1853
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:57,239
not one clear intended solution, where
it's like you can kind of fuck around

1854
02:05:57,239 --> 02:06:00,159
with it and make some weird Frankenstein
way of making it. Yeah, I

1855
02:06:00,199 --> 02:06:04,439
think you could make an absolutely like
bullshit web to get these things through.

1856
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:08,560
A lot of it is using the
physics of the web and being like,

1857
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:14,039
okay, if I if I hang
this heavy object vertically, I could swing

1858
02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:17,760
it to the left. Um,
you're also The other aspect of your spider

1859
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:23,279
that it didn't mention before is that
you also have a laser. So you

1860
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:26,880
do you have a laser pointer,
like like a laser that you can shoot

1861
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,319
out of your body. I don't
know where that comes from. This is

1862
02:06:29,319 --> 02:06:32,960
probably not a spider for the PlayStation
one. It's a ridiculous guns on his

1863
02:06:33,039 --> 02:06:38,760
hands and there's no gun. You
just can shoot lasers for some reason.

1864
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:43,159
But the point is is, like
you can make beautiful webs, just like

1865
02:06:43,239 --> 02:06:47,079
an actual spider would. You could
also make ridiculous webs that you feel like

1866
02:06:47,159 --> 02:06:53,840
only you could create. You can
design and put names, or you could

1867
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,239
make art with your webs if you
want to. It's really up to you.

1868
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,039
You could make it look like a
dick, okay, like just solemnly

1869
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:06,920
nodding. He's downloading it right now. Oh my god, he's playing it.

1870
02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:11,640
It's so quick, Like god,
he's playing the Dick Bass video game

1871
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:16,039
where that Dick is the controller.
Last time of you doing the painting and

1872
02:07:16,119 --> 02:07:19,640
the PSBR the horizon. Okay,
yeah, that's just amazing. The exact

1873
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:24,199
same spot we did, the exact
same thing. Oh yeah, I did

1874
02:07:24,279 --> 02:07:28,359
not know Amanda was here like that. I was playing that when she got

1875
02:07:28,439 --> 02:07:33,279
home and I was obviously immersed,
and uh she came in and saw me

1876
02:07:33,399 --> 02:07:36,239
drawing that. Have you Have you
put on the headset once since you Uh,

1877
02:07:38,039 --> 02:07:41,840
we kind of like covered it.
Uh yes, but only because um

1878
02:07:42,279 --> 02:07:47,680
No Man's Sky. Grand Trismo seven
and Resumeal Village. Resumeal Village both quite

1879
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:50,920
good. No Man Sky is too, but here's the thing, they are

1880
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,600
both good. When I played him, I was like, fuck yeah,

1881
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:56,960
Like even Grand Trismo was thinking about, like I need to get a PlayStation

1882
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:59,359
wheel and Village. I was like, holy shit, they nailed it.

1883
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,680
And I still, I still it's
just too much of a fucking assle to

1884
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:07,119
put on a headset and find the
space, and it's just I don't know,

1885
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:09,600
maybe it's just me, but it's
too much pain in the ass.

1886
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:13,600
It's nice to just sit in a
chair, turn something on and still be

1887
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:18,079
in the room and can talk to
someone, can see things, and yeah,

1888
02:08:18,119 --> 02:08:22,439
it's just yeah, I want to
go back to village at some point

1889
02:08:22,479 --> 02:08:26,439
and play more of it. I
saw Lady D just to see how tall

1890
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:31,880
she was. Sure, you know, cream my jeans a bit. No,

1891
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:35,119
I don't have a thing for Lady
D. Like as the kids say,

1892
02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:41,199
ladies, fine, um everything,
can we talk right? I want

1893
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:45,359
I'm gonna say I want uppies.
What Yeah, that's what we say to

1894
02:08:45,439 --> 02:09:00,079
lady Dupes. Think like uppers popping
pills, pills up person downers. You

1895
02:09:00,119 --> 02:09:03,279
don't want no part of the meadows. Yeah. When he's like, I

1896
02:09:03,279 --> 02:09:09,079
don't know, I don't have much
money, it's probably drug there is doesn't

1897
02:09:09,279 --> 02:09:15,960
give you a hangover. That movie
is so underrated. It is fucking I'm

1898
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:24,640
cutting half pretty bad due before every
time due, Oh god, I don't

1899
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:28,960
mean Favorite Parson. That old fuck
movie is fucking Do we cox just watching

1900
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:31,520
Bob Dylan up there, just doing
Bob Dylan stuff with like fake Bob Dylan

1901
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:35,880
lyrics that sound a lot like real
Bob dyling do Yeah, we just be

1902
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:41,560
like, what the fuck is this
guy talking about? You're gonna watch that

1903
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:46,159
again soon? He's great? Jack
White? Is that one yeah, Oh,

1904
02:09:46,359 --> 02:09:50,560
guy's such a funny film. Like
the jokes per minute in that film

1905
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,000
are probably off the charts. It's
probably like up there with Airplane. Yeah,

1906
02:09:54,399 --> 02:09:58,960
mcgroup risk for my Bachelor, for
our bachelor thing. I'm just gonna

1907
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:03,079
be looping wet, hot American summer
the whole time. But you've seen now

1908
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:05,560
it's good. It's good. I
get it, it's good. Yeah.

1909
02:10:07,279 --> 02:10:09,640
Um, do you guys want to
do emails? Sure, I'll just sorry.

1910
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:15,800
Resoneval six is shitty and weird and
probably the worst resoneaval that I'm kind

1911
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:20,560
of unintentionally growing in appreciation for it, as we know that is everyone's opinion.

1912
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:26,359
Ever. Yeah, fuck, it's
just so fucking ridiculous that I can't

1913
02:10:26,439 --> 02:10:28,760
help but be kind of in awe
of it at times so bad, but

1914
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:33,159
like sometimes you're in awe of it. I am. It's two thousand and

1915
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,880
twelve. That sounds about right.
Yeah, I think it was that.

1916
02:10:39,359 --> 02:10:43,319
Um, all right, now you
want to do emails? Yes, okay,

1917
02:10:43,359 --> 02:10:46,800
we're gonna jump over to our emails, but first, something else happened

1918
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:50,560
on this break. You guys got
to stop having interesting breaks. Not really.

1919
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:54,359
Mary mentioned to me that she actually
finally did watch Annihilation, and Dan

1920
02:10:54,439 --> 02:10:58,840
and I had talked about it because
Dan and Bianca came around and after rewatching

1921
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,960
it recently and really come around,
we just appreciated the more we liked it

1922
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,239
when we first saw it, and
we love it. Oh okay, sorry,

1923
02:11:05,279 --> 02:11:07,319
so okay, gotcha. Um,
and I'm going to show Amanda soon.

1924
02:11:07,439 --> 02:11:11,359
We're gonna last weekend. But it's
not really I was just telling you

1925
02:11:11,439 --> 02:11:16,000
too. It's not really a date
night movie universal book. It's it's totally

1926
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,920
it's it's a romantic I haven't seen
a notebook, assumed, but it's like,

1927
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:24,039
what's the uh, the Christmas everybody
loves the rom com Christmas? You

1928
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:28,279
love? Actually, it's like love
actually Okay, yes, it's like blue

1929
02:11:28,359 --> 02:11:35,039
actual color actually date night movie.
What did you think of Annihilation? I

1930
02:11:35,479 --> 02:11:39,720
so this is similar to what Dan
said. I had seen it many many

1931
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,800
moons ago, and I don't.
I didn't like it, and you told

1932
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:46,479
me to watch it again, and
um, after your hype, I watched

1933
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:54,600
it again and I have a new
found respect for the film. I still

1934
02:11:54,960 --> 02:12:00,840
think that the movie has pacing issues, and I think it's fast based by

1935
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:05,760
any means, no, but it's
also like it goes from zero to one

1936
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:09,840
hundred real quick. It's just a
bunch of nothing, and then it's a

1937
02:12:11,079 --> 02:12:18,800
gata, and that's fine. I
think it's interesting. But the idea of

1938
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:24,079
which I'm supposed to be really intrigued
by sci fi and then scared because of

1939
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:28,000
monsters and then intrigued because of sci
fi goes back and forth pretty quickly for

1940
02:12:28,199 --> 02:12:37,399
me. I also would have liked
to see more fantastical shit besides two creatures

1941
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:45,560
that are anamorphed together and a bunch
of flowers. I felt like a flower,

1942
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:50,279
I know, but I think there
was turns into flowers. I felt

1943
02:12:50,319 --> 02:12:54,119
like it could have been more.
I would have liked to see other creatures

1944
02:12:54,279 --> 02:12:58,920
that were halflings of other things.
I think there was an opportunity for weird

1945
02:13:00,319 --> 02:13:07,000
lizards that have hooves or birds that
have bees in their mouths. I think

1946
02:13:07,039 --> 02:13:09,840
there could have been other things going
on, But I think if the sparseness

1947
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:13,960
that makes those moments stand out,
where it's like, because it's not constantly

1948
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:16,159
throwing that stuff at you, there
is this mystery of like, yeah,

1949
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:18,319
you're seeing the flowers and it's like, what the fuck is going on here?

1950
02:13:18,479 --> 02:13:22,000
And then when something does happen like
the bear or you know, like

1951
02:13:22,399 --> 02:13:33,319
that's the found footage with us Yes, puts his hands in her looks at

1952
02:13:33,359 --> 02:13:35,640
the cameras. It's like sliding over
his hands and the guys gots. I

1953
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:41,840
agree. It's a mature movie and
it's for adults in that sense where it's

1954
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:45,119
just like, we give you just
enough. You don't need more than this.

1955
02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:48,720
I would like more, but I
think it gave me everything I need.

1956
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:52,600
What I found fascinating that I don't
think I picked up on in the

1957
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:58,680
original watch because perhaps in the original
watch I thought that this was a horror

1958
02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:01,960
movie or a scary movie at least
a thriller, and I actually don't think

1959
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,279
that's what this movie is. It
has elements of horror and thriller and it,

1960
02:14:05,359 --> 02:14:09,600
but that's really not what this is. This is a sci fi movie

1961
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:16,960
that is talking about the human condition. And it wasn't until the second watch,

1962
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:20,600
after talking to Mike, that I
realize this is really about a discussion

1963
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:24,039
of self destruction. That is very
fascinating about it. So the idea that

1964
02:14:24,119 --> 02:14:28,279
we all self destruct in some way
or another. Every character in that game

1965
02:14:28,319 --> 02:14:33,479
self game, and every character in
that movie self destructs, and that I

1966
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:37,279
think is what's fascinating about it.
Yeah, they got they go into Area

1967
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:41,319
X because they all have reasons to
like basically kill themselves, or they're not

1968
02:14:41,359 --> 02:14:45,880
worried about killing themselves because they all
have reasons. And then when it actually

1969
02:14:45,960 --> 02:14:48,399
happens, because they're fusing with like
the biology of the environ I mean,

1970
02:14:48,479 --> 02:14:54,479
they don't really take pains to overly
explain everything or maybe anything in that movie.

1971
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:58,039
But yeah, that's how I always
took it. It's like everybody who

1972
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:01,640
goes in there is like kind of
wanting. Yeah, it's a suicide mission,

1973
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:05,680
but I think it's it's very self
reflective of the human condition, right,

1974
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:09,119
So everybody in there is relatable in
some way because I think we all

1975
02:15:09,239 --> 02:15:13,000
self destruct. All human self destruct
in some way. Um, some of

1976
02:15:13,079 --> 02:15:18,079
us drink, some of us smoke, some of us uh deny loved one

1977
02:15:18,119 --> 02:15:22,199
affection even though they secretly maybe wanted
or something like that. We all harm

1978
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:28,399
in some way self. That's just
els. It's a human thing that we

1979
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:37,039
do. That j r. D
is down to tiny little ends. Nice

1980
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:46,039
God, that's that's yeah, that's
good. I don't that's the te some

1981
02:15:46,199 --> 02:15:48,920
people do. Some people do.
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna show Man

1982
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:52,159
at a couple days here, she
thinks, I'm curious whether people think of

1983
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:58,920
it. I I think it's a
very fantastical film and it has without spoiling

1984
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:01,239
it, because I think it does
have like a really interesting ending. Yes,

1985
02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:07,880
I think it's saying a lot about
what we teach other people that come

1986
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:13,439
into our world. Right, we're
constantly self destructing. The idea of another

1987
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:18,960
being coming into play is just like, well, have you ever considered hating

1988
02:16:18,039 --> 02:16:24,680
yourself? That's like, yeah,
that's what we incept in other crushing me.

1989
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:31,159
Yeah, fun little factoid. Alex
Garland, who directed it, also

1990
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:37,159
wrote Sunshine. Have you guys seen
Sunshine? No helped to inspire Dead Space

1991
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:45,040
killing Murphy rose Burn. They go
on a ship to bring a nuke to

1992
02:16:45,159 --> 02:16:48,159
the Sun to reignite it. It's
a really Danny directed. Danny Boyle,

1993
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:54,159
who directed Twenty eight Days Later,
directed Sunshine, and Alex Garland, director

1994
02:16:54,239 --> 02:17:01,639
of Ex Machina and Annihilation, wrote
Sunshine. Okay, however, the interesting

1995
02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:05,120
fact that figure at the end that
is mimicking We said we wouldn't spoil it,

1996
02:17:05,159 --> 02:17:09,280
but it's been out long enough.
Okay, you know what I'm talking

1997
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:13,879
about based on what I said yes, yes, the that character is Corea

1998
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:22,760
is Mo capped um the woman from
X Machina Um oh, Lara Croft,

1999
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:28,840
Uh no, no, no,
that's it's it's his assistant, the Japanese

2000
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:35,520
British woman Sonoya Mazzuno. Okay,
she is am I saying that correctly.

2001
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:43,120
Japanese British. Yeah, because she's
from she's British, but she's devs Yes.

2002
02:17:43,239 --> 02:17:45,600
Alex Carlin directed, Yeah, yeah, because he was the lead,

2003
02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:48,440
and then she is also briefly at
the beginning of Annihilation as well. She's

2004
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:52,920
one of her students. That's right, Yes, yeah, she's his assistant

2005
02:17:52,079 --> 02:17:58,079
in UM X Machina And I remember
watching X Mochina. I'm being like,

2006
02:17:58,360 --> 02:18:05,559
who's this hello? O h yes, oh oh, what's up this person's

2007
02:18:05,639 --> 02:18:15,399
new address? Oh oh okay,
well hi, is everybody in the theaters

2008
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:20,920
like, shut up out loud?
Oh okay? Hey? Hello, hey,

2009
02:18:20,079 --> 02:18:24,639
hello? Can we pause the projector
dude, can you pause for see?

2010
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:28,879
I gotta I gotta do some stuff. Nobody, look, do some

2011
02:18:28,159 --> 02:18:37,600
stuff is a huge boner Emails as
usual, you can write into fireskit cast

2012
02:18:37,639 --> 02:18:39,959
at gmail dot com any questions you
want us to read, which we're gonna

2013
02:18:39,959 --> 02:18:45,600
get to a few tonight. Any
concerns you have, any comments? I

2014
02:18:45,680 --> 02:18:48,879
ignore the latter two and just let
us knows navel forrest tank controls or not.

2015
02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:52,000
Yeah, I'm sure people be coming
out of the woodwork for that.

2016
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:58,200
Um, it'll be great. Fire
Escape Cast at gmail dot com. All

2017
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:03,000
right, um, Mary, do
you want to take this first one from

2018
02:19:03,079 --> 02:19:09,479
Sean? Okay high fire Escape Cast. I'm Sean from Chicago. First off,

2019
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:11,520
I just want to say I love
the show. Every episode is so

2020
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:13,760
engaging. It never failed to make
me laugh. So thanks for that.

2021
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:20,079
You're welcome. Here's my question.
Currently, I'm in college studying sound design

2022
02:19:20,159 --> 02:19:24,639
for games and music composition Dan.
Mary's right, you should listen to more

2023
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:31,159
game soundtracks. Hey, they play
in the background. That's totally the same

2024
02:19:31,239 --> 02:19:37,360
thing. It's the music got them. But I've noticed that as I've gotten

2025
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:41,360
closer to getting out into the world
and starting my career, I've had less

2026
02:19:41,440 --> 02:19:45,600
and less time to actually play games. This is a this is a common

2027
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:50,000
thing. This happens to all of
us. Even though my major is game

2028
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:56,440
dev I've still found this to be
true with story driven single player games,

2029
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:58,719
in particular, falling to the wayside
in favor of things that are easier to

2030
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:01,879
pick up and put down in shorter
sessions. I know that some of that

2031
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:05,639
is natural. I don't expect to
spend my whole day's gaming like when I

2032
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:09,959
was a kid, that other responsibilities
are competing for my time. Yes,

2033
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:15,559
totally get this, But I hear
you talk each episode about all the games

2034
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,559
you've been playing recently and think there's
got to be a way to fit more

2035
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:22,440
games into my schedule. So what
are some ways you all make time for

2036
02:20:22,559 --> 02:20:26,000
games while also balancing work and relationships. Thanks, I hope you have a

2037
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:28,399
great day, best Sean. This
is a very good question. This is

2038
02:20:28,840 --> 02:20:33,559
and I guess he's asking a very
specific group here because we've all kind of

2039
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:37,239
made our careers here and with our
current Like I don't know everyone's you know,

2040
02:20:37,399 --> 02:20:41,520
day to day schedule with work or
whatever, but like, personally,

2041
02:20:41,639 --> 02:20:43,239
I know a big part of my
job is playing games, and it has

2042
02:20:43,319 --> 02:20:46,799
been for like almost twenty years,
so it's easy to just like, well,

2043
02:20:48,239 --> 02:20:50,120
I'm doing this during the day.
If I had to work at a

2044
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:52,639
gas station for eight hours then come
home and also do other stuff, it'd

2045
02:20:52,639 --> 02:20:56,360
probably be harder. So she wents
like kids coming to play, I see

2046
02:20:56,360 --> 02:21:01,719
that a lot with people. So
boy, I balancing work in relationships.

2047
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:07,399
I think the thing that really helps
me is that Bonk is also extremely into

2048
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:11,520
games, and so there are a
lot of nights. Was like, you

2049
02:21:11,559 --> 02:21:13,399
know, there are nights where we're
gonna be like, hey, do you

2050
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:15,239
wanna do a movie night. We're
gonna watch something. Okay, we watch

2051
02:21:15,239 --> 02:21:18,200
Freddie Got Fingered night? Great,
okay, And then there's that's what we

2052
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:22,159
did the last date night. Freddie
Got Fingured is such a classic. That

2053
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,120
was her request. She wanted to
watch. It was like, yeah,

2054
02:21:24,159 --> 02:21:28,120
okay, I'm queen. I feel
like we don't praise Bonk enough for wanting

2055
02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:31,159
to watch Freddy Got Fingered on an
average like weekday, I can never praise.

2056
02:21:33,079 --> 02:21:37,000
If you ever drop her, I'm
gonna see her. I'm scooping.

2057
02:21:37,559 --> 02:21:43,079
You better watch out, Dan.
So we will have those nights where it's

2058
02:21:43,079 --> 02:21:45,959
like, oh, we're gonna do
a movie last trying to steal someone's wife.

2059
02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:50,760
I love her, She's incredible.
We like we'll do like full on

2060
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:52,920
like date nights where it's like all
right, let's go out, let's get

2061
02:21:54,280 --> 02:21:56,399
you know, dinner and drinks to
this place and we'll come back we're gonna

2062
02:21:56,399 --> 02:21:58,040
watch this movie or whatever, or
it's like a wrestling pay per view and

2063
02:21:58,079 --> 02:22:01,120
it's like, all right, we're
just gonna like get high and watch Resting

2064
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:01,920
all night or whatever. It's like, you know, just nights like that.

2065
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,920
But then they're also like a lot
of nights where it's like, you

2066
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,559
know, the end of the workday
will be coming up or whatever. It's

2067
02:22:07,559 --> 02:22:09,680
like, you know, five thirty
six, and I'll ask Bunk, like,

2068
02:22:11,799 --> 02:22:13,360
ah, you're you're really an oxpath
right now, right, And she'd

2069
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:15,840
be like, oh, yeah,
all right, do you just want to

2070
02:22:15,879 --> 02:22:18,239
an oxpath to night? And I'll
play I'm working on the resume before,

2071
02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:20,879
so absolutely, And so like there's
just a ton of times where it's like

2072
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:24,639
tonight she's playing an oxopath, I'm
playing this. We've established this, and

2073
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:26,719
we're we'll check in on each other. You know, I'm gonna go get

2074
02:22:26,719 --> 02:22:28,440
a drink or whatever. I ask
how our game's doing. You know,

2075
02:22:28,639 --> 02:22:31,280
She'll be back and forth, but
like, yeah, you just gotta have

2076
02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:35,959
communication. It's just funny that she
was playing the better game. You motherfucker.

2077
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:43,639
Team is delightful. Sorry, teams
like a very good game. It's

2078
02:22:43,639 --> 02:22:46,959
my favorite game of the year so
far personally, so I guess I would

2079
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:50,559
say that, like, yeah,
even if you're you're a significant other,

2080
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:54,040
isn't a gamer. I think you
at least have to have that communication of

2081
02:22:54,159 --> 02:22:58,280
just like, hey, so tonight, Hey this new game came out.

2082
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:01,239
I'm really into it. I'm just
going to play this all fucking night.

2083
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:03,200
All right, are you cool?
And it's like oh, yeah, yeah,

2084
02:23:03,239 --> 02:23:07,040
y'all do this or whatever, so
like yeah, I guess just have

2085
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:13,079
a cool partner and talk about what
you're gonna do and having a cool partner

2086
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:18,600
and games. Just get a job
where you get to play games during the

2087
02:23:18,719 --> 02:23:22,879
day and then yeah, someone,
it's simple, all right, second,

2088
02:23:22,959 --> 02:23:28,840
am we answered it. That's that
simple. I it's that simple, Amanda.

2089
02:23:28,799 --> 02:23:35,000
Amanda plays games that once a while. But um, I've talked before

2090
02:23:35,079 --> 02:23:43,120
about my relationship with war Frame,
and I realized that really we talked about

2091
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:46,159
I think it must have been like
episode fifteen or something. I started to

2092
02:23:46,239 --> 02:23:50,840
really question and it sounds like the
writer's Sean I believes already gotten past this

2093
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:56,520
point where he realizes that there's more
value for him personally to play games that

2094
02:23:56,600 --> 02:24:00,479
he can jump into and out of, like in short bursts, which that's

2095
02:24:00,479 --> 02:24:03,159
already half the battle is kind of
like deciding what to prioritize. Not that

2096
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,360
you can't dabble another stuff. But
I had that thing where I was like,

2097
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,159
I can't play war Frame anymore.
I want to, and I mean,

2098
02:24:09,559 --> 02:24:13,520
you YouTube no more than anybody.
I got really into like Games of

2099
02:24:13,639 --> 02:24:18,680
Service as like almost like a beat
for work because people weren't only a few

2100
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:20,200
people a game spot. We're covering
them regularly. So I'm like, oh,

2101
02:24:20,239 --> 02:24:22,680
it's a cool little niche I can
break into. Turns out it's not

2102
02:24:22,799 --> 02:24:28,280
a niche. It's pretty big.
So then I got hooked on a bunch

2103
02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:33,840
of games, war Frame being chief
among them. But I kind of play

2104
02:24:33,959 --> 02:24:39,280
games at very different times than I
used to. It used to be a

2105
02:24:39,399 --> 02:24:43,959
very after work nighttime thing for me. Late into the night. I tend

2106
02:24:43,079 --> 02:24:46,680
to wake up much earlier than I
used to, largely because my fiance is

2107
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,239
an early riser and I like to
try to get up around when she does

2108
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:54,000
when I can. Then when she
goes to the office what she does every

2109
02:24:54,079 --> 02:24:58,280
day. I play games in the
morning before work, when it's quiet,

2110
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:03,159
I have coffee. It's before works. I'm not like in work mode yet.

2111
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:07,639
It's kind of my calm down before
things get hectic in the bullpen,

2112
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,520
so to speak. And then at
lunch sometimes if I need to force myself

2113
02:25:11,559 --> 02:25:15,399
to take I mean, I take
lunch or I'll eat at home, But

2114
02:25:15,479 --> 02:25:20,120
like it's harder when I'm at home
and there's less more of a blurry line

2115
02:25:20,159 --> 02:25:24,479
between this room and the kitchen.
So I'm like, all right, I'll

2116
02:25:24,559 --> 02:25:28,440
go play Total War for like half
an hour for lunch instead of eating the

2117
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:31,520
whole time, or just like watching
TV or catching up on stuff because I'm

2118
02:25:31,559 --> 02:25:35,600
forcing myself. Long story short,
I started to find that I actually was

2119
02:25:37,319 --> 02:25:43,120
getting more personal game time in when
I switched up. When I play now,

2120
02:25:43,159 --> 02:25:46,799
I play most of my video game
time. Maybe not most because for

2121
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:50,120
work often it happens after work.
If I'm trying to get through Resiuval,

2122
02:25:50,120 --> 02:25:52,719
for for instance, was all after
hours. But by and large, I've

2123
02:25:54,079 --> 02:25:56,479
came to realize that as opposed to
when I was young, like Sean mentioned,

2124
02:25:56,959 --> 02:25:58,879
switching out my habits, I was
like, oh, I actually really

2125
02:26:00,120 --> 02:26:07,000
like playing games like from six thirty
am to nine thirty with coffee and stuff,

2126
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:07,920
and like, if you're not a
morning person, that's not going to

2127
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:11,239
work for you. Obviously, but
like I don't know. My point being

2128
02:26:11,360 --> 02:26:16,760
that, like once I started considering
maybe games don't just have to be an

2129
02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:18,840
after hours, and after hours can
be like I'm cooking with Amanda, we're

2130
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:22,600
eating, then we're watching a TV
show together, and then if I have

2131
02:26:22,719 --> 02:26:24,639
energy, sure I'll still play it
late at night, but like mornings have

2132
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:28,920
become my time to like catch up
on games. I'm having that shift right

2133
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:31,760
now as well, because I mean, for a variety of reasons. Part

2134
02:26:31,799 --> 02:26:35,559
of it started with like when when
Bok started working in wit or E and

2135
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,200
it's like we have one car or
so in the morning, I'll drive her

2136
02:26:37,239 --> 02:26:39,639
to the train station early and she's
got to go all the way to Stamford

2137
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:45,319
and everything, and I'll come back. It's like fucking eight o'clock eight thirty

2138
02:26:45,440 --> 02:26:46,120
or something. No, it's like
more like nine. But it's like I

2139
02:26:46,159 --> 02:26:48,840
got an hour. We're like,
all right, I'll make some coffee.

2140
02:26:48,879 --> 02:26:50,959
That's when I was doing like my
punch out attempts and stuff like that,

2141
02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:52,920
way before my hand was sucked up. That's when I was doing my Fortnite

2142
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:54,680
dailies and Fortnite it is just like, oh, you can do it all

2143
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:58,200
on one match whatever it is in
Fortnite before like you know ten o'clocks when

2144
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:01,360
you're in work mode or whatever and
all. So that's coincided with like,

2145
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:03,680
I'm starting to really realize that,
you know, I talked a long time

2146
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:07,799
ago about reading that sleep book and
stuff, so I've known sleep schedule is

2147
02:27:07,879 --> 02:27:11,280
very important. But I read that
and I think I made no changes at

2148
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:13,559
all, because it's like my sleep
schedule is still like any given week,

2149
02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:16,680
several days I'll go to bed at
like eleven thirty or twelve, and then

2150
02:27:16,719 --> 02:27:20,319
I'll have days where I go to
bed at five in the morning, and

2151
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:22,479
it's like that's every week. That's
not an outlier. Like every Friday,

2152
02:27:22,639 --> 02:27:26,239
I'll stream late as fuck, and
that has to be reaking hat, especially

2153
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:31,079
as I get older, and I
am very much noticing the effects more and

2154
02:27:31,159 --> 02:27:33,840
then I'm fatigued more often. I'm
just like anxious more often and things like

2155
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:37,159
that if if I'm up super late
and drinking. So I am trying like

2156
02:27:37,399 --> 02:27:41,319
right now to make way more of
a shift to get up early, get

2157
02:27:41,399 --> 02:27:43,159
up like seven forty five every morning, get my coffee, take bonk to

2158
02:27:43,239 --> 02:27:46,399
the station, play some games and
everything, and by the time ten work

2159
02:27:46,440 --> 02:27:50,600
out ideally, by the time ten
comes around and I'm like on the clock,

2160
02:27:50,719 --> 02:27:52,680
basically, it's like, Okay,
I feel like I've already done some

2161
02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:54,600
shit, I've gotten some stuff done
and go to bed at the normal time.

2162
02:27:54,680 --> 02:27:56,959
Like that. That's a big shift
I'm trying to make right now,

2163
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:01,760
and it's you. It feels really
good so far. It feels way more

2164
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:03,879
healthy. I hope you can keep
it up. We struggle with that as

2165
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:07,000
well, and I find that going
to bed at a reasonable hour helps,

2166
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:11,680
but I also struggle. I love
being a night owl. My instinct is

2167
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:16,360
to stay up late, squirreling away
and playing video games, and I have

2168
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:20,280
to really convince myself to go to
sleep. Answering this question is tough because

2169
02:28:20,559 --> 02:28:26,280
I think if you, if you
really want to continue playing games the way

2170
02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:31,239
we did when we were younger,
it requires sacrifice. And I think that

2171
02:28:31,479 --> 02:28:33,920
is like we can make that a
joke and be like, hey, you

2172
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:37,559
gotta like get rid of your friends
and stuff like that. But I think,

2173
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:41,920
I think my honest answer is is
that everything in life is a balance,

2174
02:28:41,959 --> 02:28:50,559
and I have genuinely reduced my friendships
because I prefer playing video games on

2175
02:28:50,600 --> 02:28:54,520
a Friday night. It does mean
that you're probably not going to like go

2176
02:28:54,639 --> 02:29:00,239
out to the bars and hang out
with your buds or have these other in

2177
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:05,159
person experiences. But if that is
something you prioritize, and it's something I

2178
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:09,760
prioritize for my mental health, it
makes me happy. I'm thrilled to stay

2179
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:16,280
home on a Saturday night playing Dead
Cells in bed, watching TV on the

2180
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:20,479
side. That's my perfect Saturday night. I'm not sad to do that.

2181
02:29:20,840 --> 02:29:26,440
So if that's how you feel,
I encourage you to embrace that part of

2182
02:29:26,520 --> 02:29:30,280
yourself and say, I like playing
video games on my weekend and I'm not

2183
02:29:30,319 --> 02:29:35,639
going to feel bad about it and
go out and do a bunch of stuff

2184
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:39,239
that I don't really want to do. If you if it makes you happy

2185
02:29:39,879 --> 02:29:43,319
to play video games in your free
time, then prioritize it and do that

2186
02:29:43,479 --> 02:29:48,200
instead of instead of doing other things
that a lot of a lot of other

2187
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:52,239
people would do. We have the
older and priorities change where it's like I

2188
02:29:52,280 --> 02:29:54,920
think we were all like in our
twenties, you know, where it's like,

2189
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:58,040
Okay, we want to go out
all the time. We're prioritizing like

2190
02:29:58,159 --> 02:30:00,319
let's all go to where Friday night, Saturday. Now go to the bar

2191
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:03,680
of st ankles, hang outlets socialize. But you know, we're all getting

2192
02:30:03,719 --> 02:30:05,559
older. I'm almost forty. You
guys are what you know, early mid

2193
02:30:05,639 --> 02:30:09,879
thirties and stuff like that. So
sometimes, like Friday night doesn't have to

2194
02:30:09,959 --> 02:30:13,799
be fucking party time USA where I'm
out till three in the morning or whatever.

2195
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:18,000
Like it's it isn't like Mary,
you're talking about laying in bed playing

2196
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:22,399
dead cells all night. That sounds
fucking awesome. It's my favorite weekend activity

2197
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:26,680
now. I actually look really forward
to having nothing days. Nothing days um

2198
02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:31,200
is a sacred day in our home
where we're not allowed to make plans.

2199
02:30:31,479 --> 02:30:33,680
You're not allowed to make friends,
like you're not You're not allow you're allowed

2200
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:41,840
to make friends. You're not allowed
to guys like three you made three kinds

2201
02:30:41,879 --> 02:30:45,200
of pies where you get the start
out your hair. It's no, you're

2202
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:50,440
not you're not supposed to like make
a movie plans or uh seeing friends for

2203
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:54,760
coffee resurations. Nothing day where you're
allowed to do whatever you want and there's

2204
02:30:54,840 --> 02:30:58,559
no plans and there's no rules,
right, you don't have to do anything

2205
02:30:58,639 --> 02:31:01,760
by a certain time. And I
think nothing days are very important to my

2206
02:31:01,879 --> 02:31:05,760
core. They're important to my soul. They fill my cup. As people

2207
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:11,639
say, my nothing days are often
filled with things like playing a video game

2208
02:31:11,879 --> 02:31:16,440
all day without being interrupted, and
to do that, I make sacrifices.

2209
02:31:16,719 --> 02:31:20,200
That's just the reality of it.
I probably have less friends than I would

2210
02:31:20,280 --> 02:31:28,079
have. Sometimes I order groceries or
do other things that like I should just

2211
02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:31,280
be doing, and that means that
I have less money to be doing other

2212
02:31:31,399 --> 02:31:37,920
things like vacations or things like that. I prioritize games because I just genuinely

2213
02:31:37,959 --> 02:31:41,479
think it brings me joy and I
have found a lot of value in it,

2214
02:31:41,559 --> 02:31:43,280
and so that is what I do. But I do think it's a

2215
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:46,719
given take, and you should all
people should know that right there. It's

2216
02:31:46,719 --> 02:31:50,959
not like I have a magical amount
of time for games. I sacrifice other

2217
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:52,959
things for games. That's what I
do. The other component of that that

2218
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:58,280
I would say is that there's certain
games that lend themselves towards shorter experiences.

2219
02:31:58,559 --> 02:32:01,719
Rogue lights are those. You can
play a rogue light before you go to

2220
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:05,040
sleep every night. I remember Chris
Waters, dude's got a baby. He

2221
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:09,520
played Spilunky every night before he went
to bed. You know why, because

2222
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:11,520
you can play one round to Spilunky
before you go to sleep, and it's

2223
02:32:11,559 --> 02:32:16,760
not too invasive. You're probably not
going to have a forty five minute Spilunky

2224
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:18,559
run. I fucking guarantee you you're
not. You're probably gonna die in five

2225
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:24,440
minutes. But why not give yourself
one to three runs and Spilunky and when

2226
02:32:24,479 --> 02:32:26,799
you die, that's it. You
go to bed, that's it. But

2227
02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:31,479
that's a really cool way to get
gaming into your system. Chris Waters taught

2228
02:32:31,479 --> 02:32:35,840
me that I like to play Dead
Cells before I go to sleep now Webbed

2229
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:39,959
that we just talked about earlier.
That's a really short experience. You don't

2230
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:43,639
need to play for eight hours to
enjoy that game. So playing shorter games,

2231
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:48,000
playing indie games, platformers, and
Rogue lights are good ways to say

2232
02:32:48,079 --> 02:32:52,120
I got to play a game for
thirty minutes and be very satisfied with that

2233
02:32:52,239 --> 02:32:54,440
experience. Yeah. When I hear
that, when I hear a game is

2234
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:56,719
like, oh this is you can
finish it in six hours? Like hell

2235
02:32:56,799 --> 02:32:58,280
yeah, all right, that's dude, weekend, that'll be great. I

2236
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:01,680
used to like, you know,
I remember reading a review of Devil May

2237
02:33:01,719 --> 02:33:03,920
Cry when it came out and them
saying it was like almost twenty hours long

2238
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:07,760
and almost twenty hours. I don't
know if I want to spend fifty dollars

2239
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:13,239
for almost twenty hours. I need
more than like more equal better back then.

2240
02:33:13,360 --> 02:33:16,399
Yeah, but like I do like
things that respect my time more and

2241
02:33:16,639 --> 02:33:20,559
again. Fortnite thing I like is
like there are three dailies every one game.

2242
02:33:20,799 --> 02:33:24,200
Yeah, I did one game this
morning. I got all three my

2243
02:33:24,360 --> 02:33:26,639
dailies. That's good. Everyone smiled, like, oh, it's the new

2244
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:28,920
weeklies popped up or new season thing
popped up, and there's a bunch of

2245
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:31,479
shit to do. But that's every
once in a while. So like every

2246
02:33:31,559 --> 02:33:35,360
day I play Fortnite with a coffee
for thirty to forty minutes and I love

2247
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:37,959
that. I get my fill and
I moved out my day and I feel

2248
02:33:37,959 --> 02:33:41,200
a little very satisfied by that.
Yeah, that makes me happy to hear.

2249
02:33:41,399 --> 02:33:46,399
I love that rituals and little short
bursts of loving a game is very

2250
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:50,879
valuable and should not be underestimated,
because playing a video game for like fifteen

2251
02:33:50,959 --> 02:33:56,879
twenty minutes is a joy. I
love it. I love playing video games

2252
02:33:56,920 --> 02:34:01,639
on my lunch break if I can
squeeze them in super good. Yeah,

2253
02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:03,639
Well, thank you for writing it. Oh sorry Dan, No, No,

2254
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:07,120
I just really I like that question
because that goes into a good question,

2255
02:34:07,479 --> 02:34:09,920
interesting things like I could talk about
it, you can marry you touched

2256
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:13,040
on it though. It's like especially
Sean is saying he's in game to have

2257
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:18,959
as a major. The reality is
that if you super care about something then

2258
02:34:18,959 --> 02:34:24,159
and you are not finding enough time
for it, you probably have to sacrifice

2259
02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:28,200
other things. Whatever that happens.
Yeah, caught out that friend. You

2260
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:33,760
don't need that many friends. Yeah, order canned goods instead of cooking.

2261
02:34:35,799 --> 02:34:41,280
You can eat beans out of a
can and play games. Ses yeah sies.

2262
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:45,559
Yeah, all right, thank you, Sean. The things I'm trying

2263
02:34:45,559 --> 02:34:48,000
to get smarter about two or like, you know, every fire escape we've

2264
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:52,360
done, I think this year,
probably this calendar year, I will end

2265
02:34:52,440 --> 02:34:54,559
it and like, like right now, it's past midnight. We'll usually in

2266
02:34:54,559 --> 02:34:58,319
these past midnight, and I will
typically be like, ah, I'm a

2267
02:34:58,440 --> 02:35:01,319
bottle of wine in pretty good too. I don't need to get up for

2268
02:35:01,319 --> 02:35:05,319
another My first meeting is at ten
thirty hour, right, I'll just okay,

2269
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:07,159
I'll start streaming right after. I'll
do some punch out runs or whatever,

2270
02:35:07,239 --> 02:35:09,479
and that turns into like a three
hour stream, and then I just

2271
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:13,319
feel like shit the next day and
everything, and so like now it's like

2272
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:16,000
I'm I've done the morning shift now
and I'm also doing I'm trying to set

2273
02:35:16,079 --> 02:35:20,520
rules where it's all right, I
will have a maximum of like a bottle

2274
02:35:20,600 --> 02:35:22,520
of wine. I'm not gonna have
beers after the wine. When we're done

2275
02:35:22,559 --> 02:35:26,000
with the podcast, I'm going to
bed. Before we started recording here,

2276
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:28,559
I know, brush my teeth.
I got my ship ready for bed.

2277
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:31,600
So I literally I'm gonna shut down
and go to bed instead of like do

2278
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:35,600
a three hour stream after this.
So it's uh, got to make shifts.

2279
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:39,280
This is the latest time up during
the week now. I used I

2280
02:35:39,360 --> 02:35:43,719
am at heart a night owl,
but me too, I am a night

2281
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:46,600
owl. It's hard. You have
to convert, and I convert a lot.

2282
02:35:46,879 --> 02:35:52,000
But I think similar to Dan,
I revert on the weekends. I

2283
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:56,440
am up at eight am every every
day Monday through Friday. On the weekends,

2284
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:00,879
boy, I easily easily play video
games until three to four in the

2285
02:36:00,959 --> 02:36:03,399
morning on the weekends. Why not? And then you sleep in. It's

2286
02:36:03,399 --> 02:36:09,000
amazing Saturday is I typically in the
past here have slept until noon to two

2287
02:36:09,319 --> 02:36:11,239
is usually when I wake up on
like a Saturday after a long Friday stream

2288
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:15,239
and it's just like that's got a
wreak havoc though, especially as you get

2289
02:36:15,319 --> 02:36:20,479
older, Like that's just I know, the the changing of that seems like

2290
02:36:20,520 --> 02:36:22,479
a healthy thing. Like the days
I've done where I've gotten up at a

2291
02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:24,639
good time, I've gone to bed
at the good time, Like it feels

2292
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:30,479
objectively healthier. Maybe people shouldn't ask
for our advice like we are not.

2293
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:37,879
I'm into dropping friends for games like
I have willingly done it. Sure,

2294
02:36:39,159 --> 02:36:41,760
No, your Friday night sounds fucking
awesome. I just think it's honest.

2295
02:36:43,200 --> 02:36:46,079
I think that's the honest response.
It's not like, oh, you know,

2296
02:36:46,399 --> 02:36:50,680
just like make a planner. It's
like, no, you don't need

2297
02:36:50,799 --> 02:36:54,440
that many friends in your life.
Stay home, You'll be all right.

2298
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:56,959
Yeah, Like I can't even imagine
being like in a relationship or like a

2299
02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:01,680
marriage where you felt guilty for we're
playing games all night or like it's just

2300
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:05,120
if games are importing to you,
you gotta make it a central part of

2301
02:37:05,159 --> 02:37:09,399
your life. You gotta make sure
that things involved in your life are they

2302
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:11,559
work with your want to keep playing
video games. You know. I feel

2303
02:37:11,559 --> 02:37:15,520
like it's the same thing as like
me talking to that guy that was like,

2304
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:18,360
why would you watch someone else play
video games? I have the same

2305
02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:22,360
mentality to that that I do with
someone who's like, video games are a

2306
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:26,200
waste of time, which is everything
that a human does is a waste of

2307
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:28,159
time. Reading a book is a
waste of your time. In the same

2308
02:37:28,280 --> 02:37:33,799
sense, watching cinema is a waste
of your time. Getting coffee with a

2309
02:37:33,879 --> 02:37:37,799
friend is a waste of time.
We are wasting our time, your entire

2310
02:37:37,879 --> 02:37:41,440
life, and wasting time is very
good for you. It's so good for

2311
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:46,280
your brain, it's good for your
soul. It fills you, it fuels

2312
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:52,280
you, it changes your perspective on
life. Playing video games, sure,

2313
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,719
it's a waste of your time,
the same way that every other extracurricular in

2314
02:37:54,760 --> 02:38:01,559
the entire world waste your time.
Time Like, that's the thing. I

2315
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:03,239
never understood that I'd be the opposite. I don't think any of it.

2316
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:07,360
That's that's a waste of time.
I never once thought I was wasting It's

2317
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:11,239
a perspective shift of whether or not
like wasting time is good or bad.

2318
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:18,280
Wasting time is important to humanity.
It's important to spend your time not worrying

2319
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:22,719
about where your time is being spent. When you're studying for school, you're

2320
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:28,000
probably counting the hours how many times
did you study like this year, whereas

2321
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:31,280
like all the rest of it,
it's not counted. It's not like as

2322
02:38:31,319 --> 02:38:37,479
important, but it is important.
It is important to have time that you're

2323
02:38:37,559 --> 02:38:43,600
doing whatever, nothing, something that's
all like intrinsic to you. It's subjective,

2324
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:48,360
and that is valuable. So I
think what I'm trying to say is

2325
02:38:48,559 --> 02:38:50,840
not that it's a waste of time, but it's the same amount of waste

2326
02:38:50,840 --> 02:38:56,079
of time is every other thing that
you do for fun for yourself what I

2327
02:38:56,120 --> 02:39:00,239
would classify as a like I don't
think I've ever once had the thought like

2328
02:39:00,360 --> 02:39:03,200
I'm just wasting time right now,
Like, um, there's no doubt in

2329
02:39:03,239 --> 02:39:09,879
my mind that you've wasted time.
I've never thought it consciously. I think

2330
02:39:09,959 --> 02:39:13,680
I just what is wasting time?
Though? Like I'm playing Fortnite, Yeah

2331
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:16,920
I'm not. Yeah, I'm not
advancing my career playing Fortnite. I'm not

2332
02:39:18,040 --> 02:39:22,079
earning money playing Fortnite. But like
I'm I don't know, I'm enjoying it.

2333
02:39:22,120 --> 02:39:24,159
I'm happy. Like is that you
ever like time you just kind of

2334
02:39:24,159 --> 02:39:33,280
like, uh, play with your
dogs for like thirty minutes. The definition

2335
02:39:33,319 --> 02:39:35,200
of a waste of forging a connection
with a living animal that you love and

2336
02:39:35,239 --> 02:39:41,040
trust is different than playing this live
service game first, But there's value to

2337
02:39:41,079 --> 02:39:43,520
both. I think there's value to
both the same. That's what I'm saying,

2338
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:48,040
is like I think they're one and
the same. Um. I even

2339
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:50,920
think that sitting around maybe like let's
say you have like an hour before your

2340
02:39:50,920 --> 02:39:54,120
flight and you're like, it's not
enough time to do anything, not even

2341
02:39:54,159 --> 02:39:56,760
play a game, and you kind
of like sit maybe sometimes you like sit

2342
02:39:56,879 --> 02:40:01,799
on your bed and you think about
stuff, are you wasting time? Should

2343
02:40:01,799 --> 02:40:09,840
be at the airport by then.
But times I've had times like when I

2344
02:40:09,879 --> 02:40:11,079
would have my I used sleep with
my phone next my bed, and like

2345
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:15,000
I would wake up and just like
before I stepped out of bed, I

2346
02:40:15,040 --> 02:40:18,799
would spend like thirty minutes, just
like back when I was like checking Twitter

2347
02:40:18,840 --> 02:40:20,159
and stuff like that, I would
just like just be doing that for a

2348
02:40:20,200 --> 02:40:22,159
while. What the fuck am I
doing? I'm sorry, I'm sitting here

2349
02:40:22,159 --> 02:40:24,520
for thirty minutes looking at Twitter.
What the fuck am I doing? I'm

2350
02:40:24,559 --> 02:40:28,360
sorry? I'm sorry. If this
pisses people off. Oh here we go.

2351
02:40:30,079 --> 02:40:33,200
Take You can absolutely waste time,
and that's scrolling through your phone the

2352
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:37,559
way that these social media apps were
designed to hook you to do. Yes,

2353
02:40:37,719 --> 02:40:39,719
that's a waste of time. You
are not gus. All you're doing

2354
02:40:39,879 --> 02:40:43,000
is being served more ads that will
try to get you to spend money on

2355
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:46,360
stuff that they know you like and
make one of yourself more agitated and pissed

2356
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:48,680
off, socially anxious. Yeah,
that's a waste of time. Ye.

2357
02:40:50,040 --> 02:40:52,440
Yes, Yes, there are certain
things that's a waste of time. But

2358
02:40:52,559 --> 02:40:56,840
like I don't think it's a waste
of time to be playing a game that

2359
02:40:58,200 --> 02:41:01,959
you find solacen or or it's meditative
for you, or it's a break from

2360
02:41:03,079 --> 02:41:05,319
the career advancement and everything, because
you'll just fucking burnout in a month if

2361
02:41:05,399 --> 02:41:11,680
all you're ever doing is worthwhile quote
unquote times, I totally agree you should

2362
02:41:11,719 --> 02:41:16,319
allow yourself to waste time. Whether
or not we define playing video games as

2363
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:18,520
a waste of time is probably its
own conversation. But what I'm saying is

2364
02:41:18,639 --> 02:41:22,079
is that there's nothing wrong with wasting
time. You shouldn't feel guilty about wasting

2365
02:41:22,159 --> 02:41:26,319
time. Yeah, unless you're wasting
time unless you're like a scientist who has

2366
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:31,360
the cure for cancer, but like
doesn't go you're hoarding it because you cannot

2367
02:41:31,399 --> 02:41:35,840
stop until you beat elder Ring.
Yeah that's yes, so but yes,

2368
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:37,639
Mike, that that was a great
point though about the social media thing is

2369
02:41:37,639 --> 02:41:41,079
because that is a point where it's
like that is why I kind of like

2370
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:43,920
backed away from that in a big
ways because like I did feel like this

2371
02:41:43,159 --> 02:41:50,840
is only making me feel worse and
I'm not gaining the most of lizard brain.

2372
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:56,000
Oh just absolutely just straight object,
which I know, Mary, you

2373
02:41:56,040 --> 02:41:58,079
weren't talking about that at all,
Like that's the most extreme example I can

2374
02:41:58,159 --> 02:42:01,159
think of in twenty Oh. No, No, I think it's fine.

2375
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:05,479
And I also like I even say
I don't think anyone I think I always

2376
02:42:05,559 --> 02:42:09,680
try to say be careful of addiction, but I even think that scrolling apps

2377
02:42:09,719 --> 02:42:13,639
and looking at a bunch of nothing
can be cathartic. And so I root

2378
02:42:13,719 --> 02:42:20,799
for all people in all the all
forms of like peace that you find I

2379
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:24,239
am with the reason like I don't
know, I feel like we all probably

2380
02:42:24,319 --> 02:42:26,840
know people that, like I've heard
so many people just casually be like oh

2381
02:42:26,920 --> 02:42:30,959
yeah, I'll just be like scrolling
through TikTok for three hours and like that

2382
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,879
doesn't sound healthy at all. It
doesn't sound good to do it consistently.

2383
02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:37,840
But having like a moment where you're
like, hey, I'm gonna look at

2384
02:42:39,719 --> 02:42:43,559
TikTok while I watch movies is probably
fine. I think if you're doing it

2385
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:48,680
so intensely that you can't do if
you can't relax without it. I was

2386
02:42:48,719 --> 02:42:50,120
a daily thing where I do it
before bed every night, and I'm just

2387
02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:54,840
yeah, but like zone out if
you want to try to get into it.

2388
02:42:54,319 --> 02:43:01,159
Yeah, anyway, thank you Sean
for writing in this last one for

2389
02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:05,399
tonight. Dan, if you want
to read this one from Matt from appleham

2390
02:43:05,559 --> 02:43:09,840
Hi fire Escape. I was wondering
if Dan listens to Knowledge Fight because he

2391
02:43:09,959 --> 02:43:16,159
made an offhand reference to Saddam Hussain's
Body Devils in episode forty nine. What

2392
02:43:16,799 --> 02:43:20,159
are there any non video game related
podcasts y'all listen to or have listened to

2393
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:22,200
in the past. I can recommend
have a lot of time and do WoT

2394
02:43:22,479 --> 02:43:28,360
backlog div into no. I have
to date never listened to a gaming podcast,

2395
02:43:28,479 --> 02:43:31,319
and I only listened to two podcasts
for the last I guess since the

2396
02:43:31,399 --> 02:43:35,719
pandemic started. We watched Wrestling and
Deadlock. Those are the two podcasts I

2397
02:43:35,799 --> 02:43:37,600
listened to. I have no idea
what the fuck Knowledge Fight is. Knowledge

2398
02:43:37,639 --> 02:43:46,719
Fight is from what I understand it. Someone who is it basically like trash

2399
02:43:46,920 --> 02:43:50,000
spends like it's an entire show trashing
Alex Jones. Yeah, so like,

2400
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:54,680
Okay, I don't think Dan listens
to this. No. Probably in the

2401
02:43:54,760 --> 02:43:58,840
description it's like, I'm obsessed with
Alex Jones. Come on, like,

2402
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:05,760
but like, listen to me trash
him for an entire show. But I

2403
02:44:05,959 --> 02:44:07,680
do. I bring it up all
the time, and I realize that It's

2404
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:15,239
Always Sunny is like half of my
personality. However, I think It's Always

2405
02:44:15,280 --> 02:44:18,840
Sunny podcast is absolutely incredible. It
Obviously you're not going to enjoy it or

2406
02:44:18,879 --> 02:44:22,000
want to listen to it if you
don't know the show. However, for

2407
02:44:22,120 --> 02:44:26,159
a show that has many episodes that
are looked back on as like man,

2408
02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:31,440
that was kind of touchy for them
to do for that episode, they are

2409
02:44:31,719 --> 02:44:33,760
if you want to hear a group
of creators who have been making something for

2410
02:44:33,879 --> 02:44:39,360
going on fifteen years, looking back
on their careers and their past history together

2411
02:44:39,479 --> 02:44:43,959
and the stuff they've made and being
completely vulnerable and honest about it. They

2412
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:46,760
will not shy away from saying like
warts and all, I'd be like,

2413
02:44:46,840 --> 02:44:50,159
oh, this was yeah, and
it's not to be clear, it's not

2414
02:44:50,280 --> 02:44:54,239
them like atoning for every time they
were politically incorrect. It's them looking back

2415
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:56,959
and being like, here's why at
the time we think this worked. In

2416
02:44:58,040 --> 02:45:01,360
the writer's room, sure, this
this character is being extremely racist, but

2417
02:45:01,520 --> 02:45:05,680
like the show itself, and we
as the writers are making fun of these

2418
02:45:05,799 --> 02:45:09,040
characters for being racist and where they
don't make out well in the end the

2419
02:45:09,079 --> 02:45:13,920
episode, etc. So like,
But other times they'll be like, man,

2420
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:18,520
let's talk about this one today,
and they all are rewatching it and

2421
02:45:18,719 --> 02:45:24,000
like it's it is. It's not
just about Sonny. It's about these creators,

2422
02:45:24,120 --> 02:45:28,239
these artists looking back on something and
dissecting what they've made, which,

2423
02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:31,479
as anybody who has ever created anything
knows, it could be pretty painful and

2424
02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:35,280
awkward to look back on something you've
made in the past when you were younger.

2425
02:45:35,639 --> 02:45:39,479
These guys were I'm trying to think
when Season one would have been.

2426
02:45:39,559 --> 02:45:43,360
They were like twenty two years younger
when they made Season one, if memory

2427
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:46,879
serves something like crazy like that.
So to hear that. So they watch,

2428
02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:52,319
Yeah they early early two thousands.
Yeah, So they watch the episode.

2429
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:54,639
Then they come in the next day
and the show has blown up and

2430
02:45:54,680 --> 02:45:58,399
they've done live shows. And it's
also just hilarious because they themselves are really

2431
02:45:58,440 --> 02:46:03,040
fucking fun as people, not just
characters, and they have an awesome relationship,

2432
02:46:03,159 --> 02:46:07,879
Like it honestly gives me fire Escape
vibes. But they are they don't

2433
02:46:07,879 --> 02:46:11,959
shy away from talking about like when
they fucked up or when they think they

2434
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:16,040
got an unfair rap, or just
in general. They're like they talk about

2435
02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:20,719
the creative process. It genuinely is
if you watch Sonny and you saw this

2436
02:46:20,920 --> 02:46:26,200
podcast and you're like, oh,
another recap show. Like everybody who's ever

2437
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:30,639
been on a show like minor characters
are doing recap shows. This is they

2438
02:46:30,840 --> 02:46:33,719
barely talk about the plots of the
episodes themselves. It's as far from a

2439
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:37,840
recap show as possible. In fact, it's sort of fire Escape like and

2440
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:39,520
that they'll start talking about an episode
and then go on this tangent and talk

2441
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:45,200
about this fight Rob McIlhenny almost got
in once and then why like and he'll

2442
02:46:45,239 --> 02:46:48,520
start talking about how he met Caitlyn
Olson his wife d on the show and

2443
02:46:48,879 --> 02:46:54,200
they're married. Caitlin Olsen and Rob
mclenny are worried, and then Charlie and

2444
02:46:54,239 --> 02:46:58,639
the waitress are married, and then
Glenn and the girl from the dentist system

2445
02:46:58,680 --> 02:47:01,200
are married. He's a woman from
the dentist system. But um, Danny

2446
02:47:01,239 --> 02:47:05,159
DeVito went on it recently. Caitlyn
Olsen goes on it sometimes. I don't

2447
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:11,239
know, it's it's just it's so
as someone who we fucking we stumbled across

2448
02:47:13,159 --> 02:47:18,319
this awkward, weird, cool guy
bio I wrote for a fucking indie gaming

2449
02:47:18,360 --> 02:47:22,079
website and I had to hear it
read back to me. These guys do

2450
02:47:22,200 --> 02:47:26,239
like the equivalent of that every episode, and they're like class acts about it.

2451
02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:30,120
Not class acts that perspective though,
also of them having been the actors

2452
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:33,440
and the writers and stuff like that's
got to be like, oh yeah,

2453
02:47:33,680 --> 02:47:35,840
I know. Like I didn't like
Pam from the Office have one where she's

2454
02:47:35,879 --> 02:47:39,479
like she was just like a Jenni
Fisher. She was just the yeah,

2455
02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:43,639
she's got it. Chris Michael Imperioli
and Steve Shirippa from The Sopranos. Theirs

2456
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:48,079
is really good too. I think
the first one right, both of them.

2457
02:47:50,319 --> 02:47:54,000
Initially, Michael Imperioli did some directing. Yes, these these guys from

2458
02:47:54,040 --> 02:47:56,760
the get go were writers and actors. Yeah, that's I could see that

2459
02:47:56,799 --> 02:48:01,000
perspective being really interesting. It's great. Like I went into it thinking,

2460
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,840
oh, it'll be funny here,
and these guys reiterate the jokes from the

2461
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:05,719
show. It was like, no, it's it's them, like, oh

2462
02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:11,079
man, we did the Gang turns
Black for this this time. Here's the

2463
02:48:11,159 --> 02:48:16,239
reaction Like here, here's basically we
came in thinking about this and also like,

2464
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:20,239
yeah, this joke that was too
much. We remember it being funnier

2465
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:22,280
at the time, but like,
I don't know, it's it's really good.

2466
02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:30,879
Um, it's very honest and but
not not like overly making apologies for

2467
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:35,719
everything. Sure when they need to, they it's they're never apologizing, but

2468
02:48:35,760 --> 02:48:37,639
they're like, we totally get y. This piss people off. Yeah,

2469
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:41,079
it seems like the right approach to
that. Yeah, that's basically the only

2470
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:46,200
The only other podcast I listened to
is fiction Welcome to Night bell M.

2471
02:48:46,040 --> 02:48:52,840
It's just a fictionalized like it's a
serialized old school like nineteen fifties style radio

2472
02:48:52,920 --> 02:48:58,879
show podcasting, the style of a
radio show about this weird town where supernatural

2473
02:48:58,079 --> 02:49:01,360
Twilight Zone shit happens. I have
not caught up at all. I've watched.

2474
02:49:01,399 --> 02:49:05,000
I've listened to the first like three
seasons. It's great. It's like

2475
02:49:05,079 --> 02:49:11,399
Twin Peaks, but a podcast nice
anyway, that's it. Um. I

2476
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:18,559
don't listen to any podcasts outside of
video games, but my dad does,

2477
02:49:18,639 --> 02:49:24,319
and he will text me podcasts that
he thinks that I will find interesting,

2478
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:28,040
and every once in a while he
is correct. Um. He let me

2479
02:49:28,159 --> 02:49:35,920
know about a podcast called off Leash, which is about dogs, and as

2480
02:49:35,959 --> 02:49:39,239
you all know, I'm like obsessed
with dogs as much as I am games.

2481
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:50,159
The host dogs what the host dogs? Yeah? Oh hello, Wow,

2482
02:49:52,159 --> 02:50:03,360
this is a good en. I
want to hear this part. It's

2483
02:50:03,399 --> 02:50:07,879
about the science fine dogs. There's
an episode all about smell, and I

2484
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:15,520
learned a lot about how dogs sense
of smell is so unbelievably long. It's

2485
02:50:15,559 --> 02:50:18,159
not just good, but it's the
fact that, like, if they eat

2486
02:50:18,200 --> 02:50:22,159
a piece of kibble underneath the couch, they'll remember for months that there was

2487
02:50:22,200 --> 02:50:24,959
a piece of kibble underneath that couch, and they will continuously check that spot

2488
02:50:26,079 --> 02:50:28,920
because their sense of smell is so
tied to their brains. So that was

2489
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:33,600
awf Leash. That was a podcast
series I started because of my dad,

2490
02:50:33,639 --> 02:50:39,040
and I think it's pretty good,
so I think that's cool. He also

2491
02:50:39,360 --> 02:50:46,239
is always trying to give me money
podcasts. Dude, my dad wants to

2492
02:50:46,280 --> 02:50:50,840
give me finance advice so bad,
and I will never listen, so I

2493
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:54,000
can't remember what they are because I
I probably listened to them and was like,

2494
02:50:54,120 --> 02:50:58,639
that's good advice, and then probably
didn't do anything about it. But

2495
02:50:58,760 --> 02:51:03,319
every once in a while, consistently
to this day, my dad will send

2496
02:51:03,399 --> 02:51:07,760
me podcasts because he swears I will
get some kind of information about it because

2497
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:11,959
it has a story that reminded him
of me. And I love that he

2498
02:51:11,040 --> 02:51:15,079
sends them to me, and I
will listen to them, but I don't

2499
02:51:15,159 --> 02:51:20,520
consistently listen to the podcast. As
a result, I constantly want to send

2500
02:51:20,600 --> 02:51:22,959
my dad stuff that I hear,
like it's like, oh, here's this

2501
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:26,840
Letterman interview or something, but it's
a podcast. If it's like, oh

2502
02:51:28,120 --> 02:51:31,120
Letterman was on Mark Marin or something, he will not listen to it at

2503
02:51:31,159 --> 02:51:33,600
all, unless it's like, okay, I need a YouTube link that it's

2504
02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:37,239
just just follow This spot was a
podcast. It was just televised. It's

2505
02:51:37,280 --> 02:51:41,319
a podcast in its own set.
It's going to give his phone a virus

2506
02:51:41,479 --> 02:51:46,719
and YouTube's fine though, So yeah, I'm not virus. Um. I

2507
02:51:46,799 --> 02:51:50,239
think there's other podcasts out there that
are probably worth it. Um. I

2508
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:56,479
think there's NPR podcasts that that are
worthwhileible I forgot I listen to that all

2509
02:51:56,479 --> 02:52:01,079
the time. That's incredible as well, just really good long form storytelling.

2510
02:52:01,159 --> 02:52:05,559
But also it's named as such because
it digs into like one thing you'd never

2511
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:09,120
think about there, well it started. It is like one thing you never

2512
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:13,120
think about during the day, like
how the fuck Wi fi came about?

2513
02:52:13,239 --> 02:52:16,920
But here's the real here's the interesting
human interest story behind it. It's great.

2514
02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:20,280
Or like a lot of design stories, if you're into city planning or

2515
02:52:20,360 --> 02:52:24,840
graphic design, they dig into stuff
like this, the stuff you justine percent

2516
02:52:24,879 --> 02:52:28,040
of which is invisible. They dig
into the ninety nine percent of it.

2517
02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:31,639
Yeah, I would like to get
into podcast moorkas Hansen, you know,

2518
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:33,600
like Ben Hanson listens to a billion
different podcasts week and I give them shit

2519
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:37,040
for it, but like I wish
I had no I have the two and

2520
02:52:37,159 --> 02:52:39,760
it's like one of them deadlocks,
like you know, two hours long.

2521
02:52:39,799 --> 02:52:41,639
We watched Forrest things like an hour, hour and a half, and so

2522
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:45,319
it's like Mondays and Wednesdays. I
got the new episode, but I burned

2523
02:52:45,319 --> 02:52:46,399
through them immediately, and then I
have nothing to listen to the rest of

2524
02:52:46,399 --> 02:52:50,360
the week. And like, have
you ever listened to Shittown? No?

2525
02:52:50,440 --> 02:52:52,920
I think that would be a good
one for you to start on, because

2526
02:52:54,159 --> 02:52:58,680
I kind of look at it as
the great starter of podcasts. Shittown is

2527
02:52:58,159 --> 02:53:03,280
really interesting and it's got a good
hook like it Like in the first episode,

2528
02:53:03,319 --> 02:53:05,200
you'll be like, oh, I
want to know what happens x,

2529
02:53:05,239 --> 02:53:07,360
and so you'll get interested in it. Now. I don't want to tell

2530
02:53:07,399 --> 02:53:11,760
you too much about it, but
it's it's often considered like this very addictive

2531
02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:16,159
podcast. It's a very well told
story, and so maybe you'll find that

2532
02:53:16,280 --> 02:53:18,879
interesting. I've never heard of it. It's like a nonfiction thing, or

2533
02:53:18,959 --> 02:53:22,239
is it? It is a real
story. It's a true story. Oh

2534
02:53:22,479 --> 02:53:26,920
okay. Also also was told about
it by my dad, so yeah,

2535
02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:31,680
but it's kind of popular, so
a lot of people know about it,

2536
02:53:31,719 --> 02:53:35,360
Like I would suspect a lot of
our our listeners are familiar with it because

2537
02:53:35,399 --> 02:53:41,239
it's it's not a hidden gem.
But if you are new to things that

2538
02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:43,959
are outside of games, then I
think it is a good recommendation. So

2539
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:48,639
there you go. Thank thank you, Matt. All right, those are

2540
02:53:48,719 --> 02:53:52,760
emails for the night. As usually, you've been right into fire skates.

2541
02:53:52,760 --> 02:53:56,840
It's called s town because it's shittown. Okay, Google star Star. I

2542
02:53:56,920 --> 02:54:01,799
think I think it's just to be
politically Ask him, it's the same thing.

2543
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,079
Go on, Mike. Sorry,
sorry sorry, Gmail dot com Sorry

2544
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:11,760
Mike. You can write in questions, comments, concerns, corrections. I

2545
02:54:11,879 --> 02:54:16,479
only read the first one though,
Mary Fireskate Merge dot com. Tell them,

2546
02:54:18,639 --> 02:54:20,319
oh you get there? What kind
of you get? Your T shirts?

2547
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:26,520
Your sweaters, your hoodies, your
mugs, you're I mean, you

2548
02:54:26,719 --> 02:54:33,319
name it except for pins, Yeah
we have them. Uh, it's all

2549
02:54:33,399 --> 02:54:37,639
out there. We got that banana
yellow. You tweeted me with your banana

2550
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:39,959
yellow T shirt. I will retweet
you. I don't care where you are,

2551
02:54:41,200 --> 02:54:43,799
I don't care who you are.
I don't care if you're doing something

2552
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:48,840
really uncool, I'll retweet it with
that banana yellow T shirt. There's no

2553
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:54,319
rules. Take jacobs on the account
if someone's like pissing on the Vietnam War

2554
02:54:54,440 --> 02:54:58,280
Memorial in like a banana hoodie.
I don't know you're going to retweet it?

2555
02:54:58,360 --> 02:55:07,440
Retweeted it banana yellow. Thank you
Mary Dan. Yes, what can

2556
02:55:07,479 --> 02:55:09,680
people do on Spotify if they want
to rate us for five well, I

2557
02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:15,440
guess you want to rate us five
stars on the Spotify there. The Spotify

2558
02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:18,719
is the app where you get all
your sound and audio and music and everything.

2559
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:22,000
Just find the fire Escape on there
at the five stars. And that's

2560
02:55:22,040 --> 02:55:24,840
good for us, and it really
it's it's no, no sweat off your

2561
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:26,719
back by any means. But what
do people do if they want to get

2562
02:55:26,760 --> 02:55:31,239
four stars? What what is the
name of our We We have other aliases

2563
02:55:31,280 --> 02:55:33,200
for the show if you want to
get four or three stars, but what

2564
02:55:33,319 --> 02:55:37,239
are they? The Men Mac Show
and the Besties. We have two different

2565
02:55:37,319 --> 02:55:39,360
uploads kind of funny things. Yes, oh we had it kind of funny

2566
02:55:39,360 --> 02:55:43,399
with three Yes, it were kind
of funny. The game and former show

2567
02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:48,399
um Kataker has probably got one.
Yeah, yeah, totally triple click.

2568
02:55:50,799 --> 02:55:54,319
Do you say grimple click? Nobody
should have triple click? Yeah, triple

2569
02:55:54,319 --> 02:56:01,959
click. Yeah. Maddie Show for
Camelton, Yeah, that's not a thing

2570
02:56:01,000 --> 02:56:05,239
anymore, is not no yeah,
we don't do that. Okay, hasn't

2571
02:56:05,239 --> 02:56:07,959
been for a bit, but I
appreciate the effort. Of course, Very

2572
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:11,040
just sprinted into the darkness in the
back of her house. She answered the

2573
02:56:11,079 --> 02:56:15,479
phone and then sprinted away. Yeah, there's a lot of screaming. Now,

2574
02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:18,000
well, now I guess they would
hear screaming. Sound jokes don't work.

2575
02:56:18,600 --> 02:56:22,559
Oh what boy? Are we gonna
solve this mystery by the time the

2576
02:56:22,639 --> 02:56:26,719
show goes up? Often I think
there's something I say where I feel old.

2577
02:56:26,760 --> 02:56:30,239
And also it's on tape. Whoa
is that food? She's got food?

2578
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:35,200
What kind of food here? You
just risky business? Fucking slid into

2579
02:56:35,280 --> 02:56:37,959
the fucking room. Yeah, it
was sick. That was the cool.

2580
02:56:39,879 --> 02:56:46,799
Um, it's bowl, okay,
chicken, rice, fahita, no beans,

2581
02:56:48,200 --> 02:56:52,520
tomato, corn, salsa. It's
all fahita's baby. We'll be hearing

2582
02:56:52,520 --> 02:57:01,040
another hours. Means no beans.
So why don't you Why don't you get

2583
02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:07,879
beans and dark? Yeah, fucking
rip him might get him. Why don't

2584
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:13,840
you get the bet? You sound
like danthor Andy Kaufman character. Why did

2585
02:57:13,879 --> 02:57:16,040
you get the beat? Would you
get the rip on the new one?

2586
02:57:16,479 --> 02:57:24,440
Get him? Cool? Got the
beans in? Um, that's how you

2587
02:57:24,520 --> 02:57:30,159
talk. I guess go listen to
yourself sometimes. Yeah, if I can

2588
02:57:30,239 --> 02:57:33,680
check yourself. Dan, okay,
we'll talk to you. This was fine.

2589
02:57:33,079 --> 02:57:37,239
Episode fifty one. We'll be back
with the Arthurs. Dan. What

2590
02:57:37,559 --> 02:57:43,520
you got going on in the meantime? This and them? Dan? Record

2591
02:57:43,559 --> 02:57:48,079
on the stuff? Mary? What's
going on in your woods of the neck?

2592
02:57:48,719 --> 02:57:54,680
Nothing? I do nothing besides enjoy
this podcast. Gaming and Jippotle should

2593
02:57:54,760 --> 02:58:00,559
sponsor this. We could probably get
them. We'll look into it, Dan

2594
02:58:00,680 --> 02:58:03,879
ad Man, do it make it
happen? Oh yeah, don't don't come

2595
02:58:03,879 --> 02:58:07,840
back until it's done. Okay,
all right, we'll be back in two

2596
02:58:07,879 --> 02:58:11,440
weeks. Episode fifty two, that
will be on. We'll be into uh,

2597
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:15,920
we'll be into April. Then April
tenth, I'm going to be I

2598
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:18,559
might not be on that one.
We might have some subs coming in.

2599
02:58:18,760 --> 02:58:20,239
I got a lot of fun.
We'll have talk. Have we all?

2600
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:24,440
Have we all missed an episode now? Dan, if you miss I missed

2601
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:30,319
one, st I think Mary missed
one as well. You guys got Vinnie

2602
02:58:30,399 --> 02:58:33,040
on when I was gone. When
you were gone, Dan, and then

2603
02:58:33,159 --> 02:58:37,360
Mary when you were gone, we
had handsOn on hands right. Yeah,

2604
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:41,479
it's been fun, but Hey,
well, we'll figure out there's gonna be

2605
02:58:41,479 --> 02:58:43,360
a sub, all right. We'll
see you guys on the next one.

2606
02:58:43,959 --> 02:59:03,200
Jeebye st. Star