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If you'd like to talk about your
own big foot encounter, or if you're

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looking for help from a big foot
investigator in your area, email me at

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Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
No sasquatch were harmed in the recording of

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this podcast. Beth, Welcome to
Bigfoot Crossroads. Thank you, fellow Oki.

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Yeah, you listened to the show, yes, and you listen well

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enough that you had noticed that I
had mentioned some things about some paranormal activity

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in my house and growing up and
stuff, and you said something about it

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in the comments on the YouTube channel, and we've kind of been talking ever

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since. It's kind of funny,
though, because unbeknownst to yourself, recently

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I had Randy Harrington on the show
and he actually told me a story about

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you, and I didn't know it
was about you until we started talking.

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Yeah, oh yeah. You basically
grew up in an area near a place

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that I used to investigate on a
regular basis and had a what you call

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a possible encounter. I say,
it's a big foot encounter along a certain

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creek at a different location than where
I used to investigate at with the creek

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specifically, But if you don't mind, let's just get started and just kind

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of tell me all about that.
Okay, So what happened was my brother

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told me a story and he said
somebody and I cannot recall who it was,

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but it was somebody we knew,
somebody. You know, this has

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been years ago, okay, so
I can't remember all the details, but

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I don't remember who told him the
story, but somebody told him that there

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was an old monkey woman that guarded
at an Indian now we say Native American,

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back then it was Indian graveyard,
and that she hung out in the

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trees above the graveyard, around the
graveyard, and if people came down and

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they were messing around in that graveyard, that cemetery, she she was the

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guardian. She jumped down out of
the trees and chased them off. And

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I thought it was a funny story, but my brother thought it was a

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scary story and he believed it.
So I don't recall if the person that

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was telling him the story said they
saw the monkey woman, but of course,

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you know, all kids in small
towns they say they saw all kinds

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of things. Right, my cousin
saw it. I forget all the different

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ones we used to have, but
there were all kinds of little you know,

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critters and demons and you know and
ghosts and stuff that. Yeah,

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so it was a good way to
get your girlfriend or boyfriend out to go,

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you know, necking. That basically
is what it was. So I

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thought that's what it was. I
thought that it was one of those stories

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and I thought it was funny.
But he thought it was scary. So

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I don't even know. I don't
recall if he I don't think no one

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my brother. I don't think he
talked me into it. I think I

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talked him into it, probably,
But I thought it would be fun to

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go check that place out. I
thought it would be scary, it'd be

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fun, you know. And one
night after church there were some kids that

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went to church with us. We
decided we were all going to go out

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there and do and go check out
see if we could could go see the

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monkey woman and look for the monkey
woman. Yeah, yeah, so we

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all, I think there were two
cars of us, and we drove out

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in the country. Now I know
where where this location is. At the

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time, I didn't care. I
wasn't driving. I knew kind of basically,

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I knew where the road we took
and turned off of to get there.

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But that's all I knew. I
didn't know exactly which road we turned

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on. I didn't I didn't care. But we drove down a country road

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and there were trees everywhere, and
we pulled up to this parking this parking

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lot that had a little the Indian
church that so the cemetery was for the

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people for the congregation, people that
died from that particular church. And it

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was an old church. I suppose
it's been there my guests from the way

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I remember that church had probably been
there from the early nineteen hundreds or so.

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I think nowadays it might be new
or they built on twitter or something.

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But back then it was just a
little like one room church. And

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we there was a there was a
street light in the parking lot when the

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parking lot was just a little gravel
you know, parking lot. But we

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parked the cars there and we all
piled out of the cars and some of

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the kids that like my brother and
some of the other kids were older than

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me, and they smoked. I
didn't smoke, and my friend, my

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girlfriend that came, she didn't smoke. They stayed up the cars they were

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smoking, I guess to prepare themselves
to go down, you know, check

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out the monkey woman, because they
probably had to get there, probably had

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to get their courage or something.
But we went. We went down to

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where the opening was in there was
a pathway that you could see there was

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like grass on either side, and
the grass was about with me standing there,

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I would say it was about well, maybe just below my chin,

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so maybe my shoulder level or so. And we were standing down down there,

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and we were just my friend and
I were talking, and we could

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hear something rustling around. And so
we had this tall grass, but behind

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the tall grass there were trees,
so it was like a forest back there,

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and its trees and just thick,
just thick growth because it was just

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wild. We heard something rustling,
so I put my finger up to my

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lips and I looked at her,
like to tell her to be quiet,

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because I thought, I thought there
was a raccoon or an armadillo or something,

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you know, some little critter probably
scurrying around in the brush and everything.

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And I, you know, i'd
been out in the country and that

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I've been around wildlife a lot,
and I liked animals. So I told

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her to be quiet, and we
just listened and we listened as it rustled

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around. It seemed like it was
just rustling around, rustling around, rustling

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around. And I just stood there
and looked at her, and she was

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looking at me, and we could
hear it was getting closer. And so

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all of a sudden, all of
a sudden, right in front of me,

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above that grass, something popped up. And I would say, like,

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I'm looking right now in this room
I'm in, and I'm thinking about

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the distance between me and it,
and so I'm the way I'm remembering that

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the distance was about I'm sitting at
a desk and there's a chair over there

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cross from me. I would say
it was about probably maybe six foot away

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from me. Wow, that ain't
far well, but you know I couldn't.

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I'm thinking right now, like I
thought I could reach out into I

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think I could have reached out and
touched it had a leaned forward really far,

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but not just reached out like so, I'm looking at my arm,

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thinking that's about three and I don't
know anyway, I'd say six feet or

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five feet maybe in front of me. Popped up about the same height as

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me. Well, I could tell
from looking at whatever or whoever it was.

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It was not It was not any
other. It wasn't a deer,

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Okay, I know what a deer
looks like. And it looked like a

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person, except it didn't look like
a person. I couldn't see the face.

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I wish I could tell you.
I could. That would make a

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lot better story, but I can't. That would be a lie. What

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I saw was what looked like hair, And I know people have hair,

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Okay, I know that it looked
like shaggy hair on both sides. And

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it was only I'm telling you,
it was only like pop up long enough

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for me to scream because it scared
the crap out of me, because it

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surprised me because I was expecting like
an armadillo or something popped up. I

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think I screamed. I don't even
remember for sure if it was a scream

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or if I yelled help, or
I don't even know what I did.

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I just know I did something.
I made a noise because it scared me.

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And then it jumped down like it
was up, and I yelled it

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was down, and then it was
running, running so fast, and my

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brother and his friends came asta as
soon as I yelled or whatever I did

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scream or whatever I did. They
were running down trying to chase. They

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could hear it too, I mean, him or whatever it was, person

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whatever, They can hear it running
and it was sounded like it was like

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crashing through but it, man,
it was sounded like it was pretty damn

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fast. My brother ran down.
He I remember him just jumping in there

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and trying to get through and trying
to chase whoever or whatever it was,

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and there was no way and it
was just too thick. My brother was

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fast, so had it not been
thick in there, he might have been

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I'm pretty sure. I know he
came from a you know, a few

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yards away, but my brother was
fast, so he probably could have caught

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somebody that was just an average person
unless they hid very well or something.

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You know, maybe they stopped and
hid. What do I know. He

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couldn't get to them. And then
he came back out and the guys that

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were with him they couldn't find anybody. All I knew was it gave me

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a funny feeling that it wasn't a
person. And I can't even tell you

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why, other than that hair didn't
look it didn't look like a person's hair.

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It didn't look like I can't tell
you why. I really can't.

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I can't honestly cannot tell you.
But it did seem awfully odd too that

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I'm thinking it was. Probably it
was pitch dark, okay, except for

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that street line. So I don't
think that anybody was going to be out

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there in those woods. Just so
happened to be out there when we got

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there. Why would they be there? We didn't even know. It's not

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like we announced we were going to
go there to anybody pre you know,

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pre right just right after church we
decided. So it wasn't like we told

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people, hey, we're going to
go out here, and so they could

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have been out there waiting on us
or anything, right anyway, So whatever,

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So after that happened, then we
all kind of got back together and

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you know, shook it off.
And then we did go down to the

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cemetery to go see the monkey woman. But we never did see the monkey

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woman. We didn't see anything.
We saw some tombstones, and then we

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left. Well, the next day, I mean, I couldn't get it

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off my mind. It was just
so weird to me. The next day,

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I was talking to my mom and
I told my mom about it.

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I said, and you know,
I wasn't thinking bigfoot, Okay, I

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just didn't know what that was.
I didn't know what happened. And I

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was talking to my mom about it, and I described what happened. She

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said, you saw bigfoot. I
said, a bigfoot. First of all,

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I'd never heard anybody and where this
happened. Where I lived, I'd

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never heard one person say anything about
bigfoot in our area. Never. And

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I can't believe it, because,
I mean, I can't believe people were

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talking about it, but maybe they
were afraid to. I don't know.

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I'd never heard one person talk about
bigfoot in our area. But I said

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bigfoot. I don't know about that. She said, yeah. But I

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said, but Mom, I said, he was only like about a star

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as I am. She said,
you know, they're not like born big

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They have kids and they have to
grow up. She said, you probably

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saw a kid, a kid bigfoot. She said, you know where your

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grandmother grew up. It was down
by the Boggy Creek area. So isn't

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there like a boggy depot or something
the depot play. Okay, my grandmother

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grew up around there, and so
my momad heard stories from my grand not

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that my grandmother said she saw one, but my grandmother said she knew people

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that saw one. But I've never
heard anybody talk about a big foot anywhere

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in our area. Then later,
now this is what just this is what

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kills me. So this was not
that long ago, so like about maybe

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just a couple or three months ago. I'm thinking it was all of a

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sudden, I thought the old monkey
woman, I mean, could she have

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been a bigfoot? I mean,
that's possible. And I didn't know.

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I'd never heard that big foot could
go up a tree, So I had

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never heard those stories before until I
was until recently in the last year.

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It's first time I ever heard that. I thought, what if she was

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a real what if she wasn't even
that wasn't even just a story? Yeah,

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what if she was? What if
she was a bigfoot old lady,

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somebody just trying to describe what they
saw. Yeah, but that never even

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occurred to me until just recently.
I mean, it's possible, I guess.

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I mean, I live in Tulsa. We're not going to give away

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specific locations or anything. I'm sure
some people that listen to the show religiously

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will be able to figure out some
things. But I'm a pretty good ways

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from this location, and I ended
up in the exact same area, within

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a half mile, looking for these
things, you know, all those years

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later because of people seeing them right
along that creek that you knew nothing about

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that leads right to that location.
I mean, I think it's just,

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you know, it's a small world, but damn is it really that small.

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What kills me is how come I
never heard any of these stories when

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I lived there, never not.
I really didn't, even until just a

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few years ago. I don't even
remember the first time I heard a story

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from there. And then I was
like, dang, I mean I used

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to go. I used to hang
out in the same place you're talking about

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that you saw. I mean,
because i've heard your story recently, I

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used to hang out there at dark
in the night. I mean, I

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don't know. You know, it's
weird because first off, growing up,

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Bigfoot wasn't even on my radar for
a thing in Oklahoma. I was definitely

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interested in this stuff at a very
early age, but it was always stories

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about the Pacific Northwest. I never
even thought about this area. I didn't

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see legend of Boggy Creek. I
didn't know anything about that stuff until I

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started looking into the subject on the
internet. But I ended up meeting up

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with people, and the very first
time I ever in my life met up

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with anybody to go actively look for
Bigfoot in the state of Oklahoma. That's

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exactly where we went. I mean, that was my first introduction and ultimately

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became a prime investigation area for myself, a place where I had encounters,

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where I had a siding, met
numerous other people that have had sightings there,

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have heard many stories from the area, but I couldn't tell you anything

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about the history of the area beyond
the people that I knew and the stories

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that they had heard. I never
heard. You know, you don't run

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across old accounts of them being in
that area or anything. But it seems

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like a lot of the locals down
there just know about them, they've always

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been there. But then a lot
of people in that location still have no

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clue that they're there, or that
people see them or report seeing them or

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anything else. It's really kind of
strange. I think I told you,

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but I can't remember if I did
or not. But my best friend from

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there, her dad was Park Ranger, and I've asked her, did he

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ever tell you anything, like any
that there were stories or anything. She

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said she doesn't remember ever hearing any. But now that I mean, I've

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heard so many people talk about park
rangers don't talk about it. So I

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have to think he would have to
have heard things. He worked there for

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like, I don't know, twenty
something years, and he was night shift

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person, like he didn't get home
till two thirty in the morning from working

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there. Yeah, he'd have to
have heard stuff. Yeah, absolutely,

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But she's decease now, so I
can't even ask him. You know,

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I wish I could. I knew
a park ranger that worked there that would

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let us into locations that were closed
off to the general public so we could

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go look for stuff, look for
footprints and stuff. It's just kind of

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crazy. And there's even you might
be familiar with this. It's a small

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community, you know, not a
lot of people. So they will print

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the newspaper the police dispatch calls in
the area because that's the big excitement.

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Yeah, yeah, see who went
to jail, got thrown in the drunk

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take the week and you know,
and there's been a couple of times whenever

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calls came in from the park down
there saying, you know, one guy

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was walking the trails at night and
got attacked by a gorilla. That's what

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he reported. Some sort of gorilla
attacked him, knocked him down on the

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trail, and took off through the
woods. Another woman was hit by something

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as she came out of one of
the bathrooms there in the campgrounds. She

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said, all sheer members is walking
out of the bathroom and the big hairy

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arm knocked her down and something big
took off running. I was standing there

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one time whenever another group of campers
came over. The park ranger that I

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was talking about earlier was actually at
our camp talking to us, and another

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group of campers came over and reported
an incident with her while we were standing

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there. Now, they didn't call
it a bigfoot, So I mean,

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I don't know. I know what
I saw, I know what other people

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have told me, and it just
really struck me as interesting that your incident

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happened right along the same creek that
so many stories come from. Well,

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I what I find interesting is that
I lived there until I moved away when

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I was eighteen, never heard one
thing. So I've heard all the stories.

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Apt I mean, I didn't hear
any Not one person down there ever

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told me anything. Wow, And
I cannot believe that because everybody knew me.

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I can't believe they didn't tell me
anything, not one thing. But

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it's also kind of interesting that whenever
you told your mom, that was the

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first thing that came out over mouth. I was surprised. I mean,

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what do you even say as a
kid, like mom? Are you all

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right? What are you talking about? No? I mean my mom.

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I just I thought it was funny
that she that was what she thought,

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that that that's what she came up
with, you know, yeah, but

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my mom, my mom, she
was she was a nice person. My

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mom didn't not she knew I wasn't
crazy. She knew I didn't make up,

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you know, stories, and and
I think she truly believed what she

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just said to me. You know, that's probably a big foot. She

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said a kid like a kid or
one of their children or something. I

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remember how she put it. She
didn't say jeeves and I like everybody does

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nowadays, right, the scientific term
juvenile? Right? Yeah, so you

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had that asn't it happened to you? So how did you end up?

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I mean, listening to my podcast, you're you're getting ready to go on

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and outing, and apparently, yes, that's how I did. Because yeah,

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there's somebody that I also got in
contact with because of all that activity

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in the same place that you're talking
about, because I heard I knew somebody

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from my hometown that's over Facebook told
me some stories and then I actually went

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and visited with him there and he
told me more stories in person and said,

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hey, you know, if you
wanted to, I could take you

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out and you're probably gonna see something
or hear something you don't have. Something

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happened, probably and I wanted to, but it never we never did it.

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So I just started because of my
conversations with this person I started.

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Not it was just recently. Really, I mean, I really didn't start

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listening to anything until this is so
silly, but I am not really big

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into um like every technology technology thing
that comes out, everybody jumps on it

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and starts getting all into it.
And I'm the last person. So YouTube.

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I never did YouTube, I know, but hey, it might be

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old, but that's that. I
started doing YouTube like about i'd say a

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little over a year ago. I'm
serious. Okay, you were the last

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one and I'm still doing it too, So I listened to YouTube while I'm

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working. So anyway, I started
listening to I just went in one day

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and went put in Bigfoot or you
know, I put in Bigfoot, and

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it brought up something and which led
to something else, which led to something

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else, which you know, and
on and on and on. So then

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I came I started hearing the skytell
a story, and I knew before he

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even said that the name of the
place. I knew exactly where he was

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talking about, and I knew who
he was talking about. And so I

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contacted him and I said, hey, I actually I'm from there, and

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I know that person. And I
knew your story because I heard your story

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before you even said it, before
I heard it on the program on YouTube

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that when you were telling it.
So when I heard you start telling it,

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I knew it was you. I
just thought that was so funny.

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So started talking to him, Well, he is the person that's going to

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be doing an outing there coming up
really soon March in March. First week

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of March. Said well, yeah, second week of March, and I'm

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gonna go how exciting your first one? Yeah? Yeah, So, I

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mean, I know it's been a
long time and I know there have been

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changes there, so I know it's
it's likely that you know, maybe there's

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nothing there anymore. I don't don't
know, but I'm gonna go because if

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there's something there and something happens,
I want to be there. I want

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to hear it or see it.
I said, wake me up if I

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go to sleep, because I probably
won't be able to go to sleep,

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especially maybe the first night. But
if I go to sleep and something starts

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happening, I want somebody to wake
me up first thing, because I want

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to hear it for myself. I'm
not I'm not saying I want to walk

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up and you know, make friends
or anything. I'm just saying I want

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to witness it because I believe.
I do truly believe there is there are

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those creatures. I believe it.
I just want to see it for myself,

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and I want this time, if
I do, I want to actually

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see more than just an outline of
hair and then hear it running. You

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know. Oh, and that's something
I wanted to tell you. I thought

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I wonder about this. You know, I heard the wrestling, wrestling,

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wrestling, and I hear I'm thinking
it's a small animal or something coming up.

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I didn't think of this till recently. I think I told you I

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thought of this. But I wonder
now because I never ever had heard stories

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about them being on all fours and
then and then standing up. Well,

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you know how he popped up.
I wonder if he was like crawling in

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because he could hear the I'm sure
he could hear hear the kids talking up

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there. If it was you know, I'm saying, if it was a

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big foot, okay, if would
they would they maybe crawl in first and

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then pop up the look, I
mean, that's a possibility. I never

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heard of about them being on all
fours until I started listening to podcasts and

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stuff. You know, that requires
a conversation involving speculation and theory and opinion,

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right, and it is all yeah, but I can tell you how

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should I put it? You know, I'm all. I was worried about

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watching what I say exactly because you
know, I know I understand the nature

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of the beast and everything whenever it
comes to this subject and subjects like this.

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But I'll just speak from my own
experiences, which I rarely do.

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But yeah, absolutely they will.
They will crawl in as low to the

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ground as things possibly get and get
right up close to you before they ever

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really revealed themselves or get into a
position that might give them away. Yeah,

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we've had situations where they crawled right
up on the vehicles that we were

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sitting in at the time. People
have had them crawl in on their stomachs,

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right up to camp and everything else. So it wouldn't surprise me at

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all the situation that you're talking about. Specifically, it may have not known

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that you and your friend were there, and it was working its way towards

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the larger group of people. Belly
crawling in. Yeah, because we were

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being we were we were being quiet, so and still you know, it

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might have been sneaking up on everybody
and then kind of stood up to get

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a better advantage point, and you
know it scared you, And yeah,

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you probably scared the crap out of
it too. He probably ran home and

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said, Mom, Yeah, I
don't know, but I stood up and

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there was a thing. It was, and the size and everything kind of

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supports the idea of, like,
you know, a creature that may have

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not had as much experience or wisdom
and being around humans and just really wanted

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to see you one. Yeah,
and was trying to take advantage of the

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situation but got caught slipping because it's
not used to sneaking up on people.

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And yeah, you know, and
maybe monkey woman as mama, you know,

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and that's who everybody'd been saying.
Who knows? Um. I think

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she's probably grandma, maybe so old, the old nikey woman. Who knows.

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We found tracks on that creek.
I have one sitting a few feet

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away from me. We found tracks. One set was, if I remember

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correctly, fourteen inches long and about
eight inches wide, I think, and

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then another set was roughly around eleven
or twelve inches and about four to six

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inches wide. And then another set
was seven inches long and about four inches

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wide. And then the track that
I have right next to me is five

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inches long and about three and a
half inches wide. And we found all

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these tracks together. They were fresh
down in that creek bed in fifty degree

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weather in September. Not this past
year or anything, but at the time.

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So the idea of a group of
humans being out there with their toddlers

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and children barefoot in this creek in
fifty degree weather is ridiculous in September.

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Yeah, because the area that I
would investigate where this creek was. The

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creek eventually works its way to a
lake, and this section before you get

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to the lake is a public hunting
area, so not a place you would

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take your kids to play in the
creek at by any means. Yeah,

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so there's that. I never saw
anything down there. That was the location

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where I've heard something talking in the
middle of the woods in the middle of

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the night with nobody around, and
I've heard quite a few stories from that

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area where people did see them.
It was kind of a famous area,

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to be honest, in that general
region because this area kind of had a

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refuge for being really scary at night, and even the locals wouldn't stay the

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night down there. Nobody would want
to stay down there overnight, and anytime

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we went down there, it just
had a really creepy vibe at nighttime for

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some reason compared to other places that
we go at nighttime. But it was

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definitely creepy at night. I didn't
like being down there at night at all.

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The creek was fine during the day, but once it got dark,

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it kind of took on a whole
new atmosphere. Well, you said you

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never heard anything about bigfoot in the
area, growing up there. Yeah.

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Did you hear anything about the Lady
of the Lake? Oh heck yeah.

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Okay, Well can we talk about
that because I want to hear some of

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those stories, Okay, because I
have spent a lot of time at that

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lake looking for and I never saw
her. I was there a few times.

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I could too. Yeah, that
was one of the ones I was

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talking about that. You know,
they have stories that get you to go

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down and sit in a car and
you know, wait to see this thing

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and the next thing, you know, if you're kissing. Okay, so

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Lady of Lake, this is all
I know about it. I just knew

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because I got told and got taken
there that there was a lady that was

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in a dress. I don't remember
if it was a white dress. I

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don't remember that part. I think
it was a white dress. And she

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supposedly would be walking basically walking on
the water, and she glowed and she

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I can't remember the exact story,
but she of course drowned in the lake

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somehow, I just don't remember.
I don't remember the details of why she

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drowned in the lake, but I
think it had something to do with was

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it a murder or I don't remember
if it was a suicide or a murder.

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But yes, the ghost, the
Lady of the Lake. Yeah,

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everybody knew about the Lady of the
Lake. I never actually see her.

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I don't know why. You know, that's a really famous ghost story from

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Oklahoma. I know, like the
first time I heard about it was back

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in the old ghost hunting days.
I read about it on a website before

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I had ever been down there or
knew anybody from the area or anything.

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But I've never ran across anybody that
saw her. No, I don't know.

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I don't personally know anybody that said
they saw her. That's one of

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those things that I think was made
up just to get you go out and

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go, yeah, make out.
Yeah I don't think that one was real.

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But I don't know that for a
fact. I don't know that it's

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not real. I know I didn't
see anything. But one of the things

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that I do find interesting about it
is people talking about hearing the Lady of

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the Lake. You know, that's
part of the urban legend or whatever,

411
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.079
and that is one of the spots
we would go because of the bigfoot sightings

412
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.239
that people had done that. So
when they said they heard the lady of

413
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:14.800
the lake. What they say they
heard just like a crying roll whaling,

414
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.599
just the typical cry baby bridge type
stuff that you know every Oklahoman knows about,

415
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.320
right, and every every town has
that too, by the way,

416
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.800
don't they. Yeah, pretty much
every town has a cry baby bridge.

417
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.599
Oh, I think we had a
we had a wooly Booger. Did you

418
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.760
ever hear that story wooly Booger.
I always thought a wooly booger was a

419
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.320
big foot, So no, oh, no, really, are you serious?

420
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.639
This is supposed the wooly Booger was
supposed to be a little short thing.

421
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:50.159
My brother told me that story,
my oldest brother, Wooly Booger was

422
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.000
supposed to be this little short Harry, think, oh, Harry, what

423
00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.280
if it what if it was a
little a little baby big foot? Because

424
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.800
he said that Woolly Booger was little
and you go out to a certain places

425
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.639
and the Willie Booger would run around
and chase you or whatever. I heard

426
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.760
that was a story, But I
never thought about a baby picked foot.

427
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.840
Maybe that's what it's supposed to be. Maybe, so I always thought it

428
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.639
was just a joke. I just
would laugh. So after we started talking,

429
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:30.199
we kind of veered off to the
subject of the paranormal a bit.

430
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:37.840
Yeah. Yeah, and I was
pleasantly surprised in some of the stories you

431
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.599
told me. I understand kind of
being on the fence, not really knowing

432
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.920
if you saw a bigfoot or not. But whenever it comes to paranormal stuff,

433
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:55.159
you've got quite the history. Yeah. And I sometimes I think a

434
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.440
lot of things happened to me because
maybe I don't know. Maybe it's because

435
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:07.000
I actually do pay attention, or
is it because I really don't know.

436
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.920
I don't know if they're attracted to
me, or if it's just that I

437
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.800
pay attention and so I notice and
maybe somebody else doesn't notice. Maybe I

438
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.159
see or not necessarily see. Usually
I don't see anything. Usually I might

439
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:29.400
hear something or feel something that somebody
else might not hear or feel because they're

440
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.000
not paying attention. Maybe I don't
know. But yeah, I've had a

441
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.800
lot of things, not a lot
of big things, but a lot of

442
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:43.440
things collectively, you know what I
mean. Yeah. You know, we've

443
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:50.519
talked pretty extensively about our experiences,
you know, the stuff that I've experienced

444
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.880
in my own home growing up and
everything and your stuff. Yeah, and

445
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:02.079
I agree with you that I think
there's sometimes it seems like the person and

446
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.280
I know with me personally, I've
experienced things in my own home, and

447
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.400
then I've experienced things in other people's
homes, and it's just like, okay,

448
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.079
well, how much is too much? You know? Like I've had

449
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:20.599
a Bigfoot siding, I've had all
these ghost experiences. I've seen something that

450
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.719
would technically classify as a UFO.
I've seen things that I don't even have

451
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.639
a name for. And there,
I'm going to be completely honest, there's

452
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:37.440
been times where I've thought, is
it even possible? Am I just imagining

453
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.519
these things? Is there something wrong
with me? But then you have these

454
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.079
experiences like you're talking about, where
I'm not the only one that's experienced things

455
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.280
in this house, right, I'm
not the only one that saw Bigfoot.

456
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.639
You know. People were with me
that saw Bigfoot at the same time as

457
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.079
me. So were we all who
llucinating the same thing. I mean,

458
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.760
that's not possible. My cousin was
with me whenever I saw the UFO.

459
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.400
So I don't know if that's it
or not. I surely it can't be

460
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:12.679
if other people are experiencing the same
things. In the same locations, and

461
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.840
then you start thinking, well,
Okay, is it is there something for

462
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.280
some reason why am I able to
see this stuff whenever other people? Is

463
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:28.960
there's something special about me? But
again, other people have experiences in the

464
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:34.599
same locations, so I don't really
know what it is, and maybe it's

465
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.280
a combination of all the above.
I don't know. It's just so weird

466
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.320
to me, and I know I'm
rambling and going off in a tangent,

467
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:51.199
but there are a lot of similarities
in people's stories that have these type of

468
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:57.599
experiences, and like you, for
instance, there is a remarkable amount of

469
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:05.519
similarities between you and I. There's
things that we've talked about, just mundane

470
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.079
items that I haven't even mentioned or
pointed out, where it's like, wow,

471
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:14.239
that's almost the same as my story. That's almost the same thing that

472
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.519
happened to me. And I I
can't help but think that all of this

473
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:27.000
stuff is somehow connected, and if
there's something connected, maybe it's something that

474
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.039
just our science hasn't been able to
measure yet. I don't know what the

475
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.960
connection is. But that has been
my task for the past year, is

476
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:38.400
listening all these stories and talking to
people about these things and going into areas

477
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:45.519
outside of Bigfoot to try and find
these connections. But one of the things

478
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.239
you know that you mentioned is you
started having experiences at a very early age

479
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:58.239
during childhood, and you're still having
experiences now as an adult later in life.

480
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.840
Yes, I mean, you did
say you were older than me,

481
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:07.760
and keep that in mind, and
I'll always be older than you. But

482
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:12.239
I mean, if you don't mind
sharing with the listeners, I know you've

483
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.800
already shared with me, but kind
of take us through how all of this

484
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.239
started for you. I would say
the first things I remember happened in a

485
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:29.920
one house that I lived in my
hometown, and there wasn't much there more.

486
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.960
Mostly at that house, mostly it
was a feeling of there's somebody,

487
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.800
somebody that's seen me and I can't
see them. Like that was most of

488
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:47.239
what happened in that house. But
a couple of little weird things, and

489
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.719
I know there could be other explanations, okay, other than a ghost,

490
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:59.519
but one particular thing. This is
just back to the very beginning. Okay,

491
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.480
So in that house, I always
felt like somebody was watching me,

492
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.920
but that was nothing was really happening. But one time my mom was sitting

493
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.440
on the couch and it's broad daylight. We had animals, and one of

494
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:19.480
my cats walked by and was just
walking by casually and suddenly turned looked at

495
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.119
the couch like right next to my
mother and started put bowing its back up,

496
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.280
and his hair came up on its
back and it was kissing, you

497
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.880
know, like that just freaking out. My mom looked at the cat,

498
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.360
and I looked at the cat,
and my mom looked at me, and

499
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.280
you know, and then the cat
kissed a few times and then kind of

500
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.800
walked off, and my mom was
like, oh my gosh. I mean,

501
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.559
she was sitting there right where the
cat was looking and it kind of

502
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.880
freaked her out. She just looked
at me and said like I don't know,

503
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.960
I don't remember exactly what she said, but like whoa. He acted

504
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.639
like he just saw somebody sitting next
to me or something, you know,

505
00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:00.920
And I'm like, yeah, And
I I lived right next door to a

506
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:07.039
church and my dad was a preacher, and I would be in that church

507
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.599
by myself a lot because I practiced
piano in there. And so this is

508
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.559
the parsonage is right next to the
church. So the parsonage where I always

509
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.679
felt like somebody's watching me. Then
I'd go over to the church to go

510
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.159
practice, and I'd take those I'd
take my cats and my dogs with me,

511
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.920
because I didn't want to be in
there by myself, and they'd be

512
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.039
walking around and sitting with me and
everything. And one of those cats,

513
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.480
not the same cat, but one
of my cats did that same thing,

514
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.960
looked up at the pulpit in the
church. So the pulpit was up on

515
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.000
there was a little stage and just
a little step up and then the pulpit.

516
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:45.880
The cat did the same thing,
but it was a different cat.

517
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:52.199
Kissed boat is back kissed. It
was staring up as I mean, up

518
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.960
into the direction as if there was
a person standing behind the pulpit, which

519
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.840
really freaked me out because my dad
was a preacher. And then I'm thinking,

520
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.039
I knew there were some older guys
that had used to, you know,

521
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.519
preach at that church that were dead. And I'm thinking, oh,

522
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.360
my gosh, is there a dead
preacher following me in here when I'm practicing

523
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.079
the dead preachers hanging out? Why
is that so creepy? That is the

524
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.119
creepiest. I mean, it shouldn't
be, but it is. That is

525
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.119
so creepy. And you know,
so he's probably a very nice guy,

526
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.960
but I don't want a ghost preacher
hanging out when I'm practicing in church.

527
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.079
So that's scared me. Well,
but just a few things happened around that,

528
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.599
not anything. I never saw anything, nothing like that. Then we

529
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:43.039
moved to another house. Before we
even moved in, I loved that house.

530
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.960
That house was awesome. It was
an old house and it was two

531
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.039
story, and I fell in love
with it, and I was The church

532
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.719
bought that house and we were going
to move into it, and so it

533
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.920
needed some things done to it.
It had you remember the popcorn ceiling stuff.

534
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:06.440
Do you remember that? And the
sparkly popcorn ceiling stuff. It had

535
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:13.039
sparkles. Well, we believe it
or not, we wanted that. So

536
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.440
that was in the day when that
was popular. Okay, well this house

537
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.480
didn't have it. So they were
gonna they were gonna, you know,

538
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.920
shoot that stuff up onto the ceiling. I was there when they were doing

539
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.159
part of it, and oh,
that's great, this beautiful. Love it.

540
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.519
Yeah, So they were putting the
popcorn ceiling stuff up, and they

541
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.920
were cleaning the house and anything that
needed to be fixed a little bit.

542
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.280
It was old. They weren't going
to like totally redo it, but everybody

543
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.239
was cleaning and fixing. And when
we were doing those things, a couple

544
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.400
of things happened. We had a
tornado siren go off one day and there

545
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.239
were a few of us at the
house that I don't even remember what I

546
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.320
was doing. I was probably playing, but people were cleaning things, and

547
00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.440
the siren went off and we all
went into the basement, which was cool

548
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:06.440
because hardly any house, and really
not that many houses in Oklahoma have a

549
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.559
basement. Some of the older houses
do, but they because of the water

550
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:19.440
table. People don't really have basements
around where I live because you know,

551
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.920
it's too wet. It just causes
problems. But this house had one,

552
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:29.079
and everybody came running down the stairs
and we went to hide while we waited

553
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.320
for the tornado to go through or
whatever it was going to do. It

554
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.679
didn't go through our town. It
went on the outside of town and actually

555
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.880
did kill some people I knew on
the outside of town that particular tornado.

556
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.519
But when we were down in a
basement, the adults were kind of gathered

557
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.079
in one spot and the kids were
we were gathered in another spot. And

558
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.360
I told you this before. It's
kind of funny, but there was a

559
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.280
big box down there that was in
the shape like it could have held a

560
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.920
coffin. It could have held a
coffin like it could have been what a

561
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.400
coffin got shipped in. So that's
what we decided. It was was a

562
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.480
box that used to hold a coffin
and it got shipped in that we were

563
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:15.320
sitting on that box, and we
clearly the adults were talking. We clearly

564
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:22.679
heard me and a couple of my
friends steps upstairs walking and it was obvious

565
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:29.880
it was on the hallway towards the
kitchen well there. I didn't think there

566
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.960
should be anybody up there, probably, And the way I remember it,

567
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.280
and I don't even know if this
is true because it's been too many years,

568
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.800
but the way I remember it is
that my dad actually had locked the

569
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.760
doors, so there was a front
door to back door. The way I

570
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.880
remember it is the doors were locked. I don't know if that's really true,

571
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.079
but that's the way I remember the
story. So there shouldn't be anybody

572
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.960
in the house because we were all
in basement. So I say, hey,

573
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.800
Daddy, there's somebody upstairs, and
so he listened to me and said,

574
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.519
there's I heard steps, we heard
and the kids said, yes,

575
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.599
we heard steps, go to the
kitchen. So my dad ran upstairs go

576
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.920
find somebody, and he went all
through the house and there was nobody there.

577
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.239
Well, that was just the first
thing. That was no big deal.

578
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.719
That could have been a person,
especially if the doors weren't locked,

579
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.000
which I remember that they were,
but doesn't make it so. So anyway,

580
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.679
it's kind of spooky. And the
next thing I remember is that a

581
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.440
friend of mine that was helping clean
the house was she was there by herself,

582
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:36.599
and she had gone to vacuum.
We had a stairway in that house

583
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.559
that had you'd walk up this one
set the stairs, and then you turn

584
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.880
to your left and walk up another
set, and they were all carpeted.

585
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:51.119
So she vacuumed those stairs going up, went up to the second floor and

586
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:58.360
was about to plug in and vacuum
that upstairs, and she heard somebody.

587
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.840
There was a swinging door down at
the bottom. You push open the swinging

588
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:06.760
door and then go up the steps. Well, she heard the swinging door

589
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:12.840
and she thought somebody was coming there
to help clean or whatever. And she

590
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.679
heard somebody coming up the stairs and
she waited because she knew somebody was going

591
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.599
to be there, you know,
somebody was coming upstairs. And she waited,

592
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.599
and when the steps got to the
top of the stairs, no one

593
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.920
appeared. So it freaked her out, and she thought, what do I

594
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.400
do? And she just her instinct
told her just plugged the back and clean

595
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:38.280
her in and vacuum away and get
the back out of here. So she

596
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.840
did. She continued to vacuum,
and she wouldn't look back. She didn't

597
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.000
want to see it. So she
vacuum, vacuum, and then she ran

598
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.719
down the stairs and left, and
she said that freaked her out. She

599
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.079
wasn't going to go back in there
by herself ever again. So that was

600
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.960
the first two things that happened.
Well, then after that we moved in,

601
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:01.320
and I don't even remember when the
first things happened. But and now

602
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.880
I'm not going to go into all
the stories, but just the typical stuff

603
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.360
you hear people talk about, really
did happen in the house. Footsteps all

604
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.559
the time, okay, And all
I remember is the footsteps coming upstairs.

605
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.960
That's what I never remember them going
back down. I don't know if they

606
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.719
did. I don't remember them ever
going back down. But even my mother

607
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:23.840
witnessed that one day with me,
and I saw her, you know,

608
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.760
she heard it too. My mom
didn't want to talk about these things.

609
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.480
My dad was a preacher. He
didn't believe in these things, and if

610
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.800
he did, he wouldn't go to
say he did, because right, supposedly

611
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.000
the Bible tells you, you know, ain't so such thing as ghosts.

612
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.039
But then also there are stories in
the Bible where there are ghosts, so

613
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:49.320
I don't get that. But anyway, he didn't believe in ghosts, and

614
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.320
or at least he said he didn't, and we couldn't talk to my dad

615
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.079
about it. But my mom heard
this when I at the same time I

616
00:49:55.119 --> 00:50:01.480
heard it, steps came up and
there was nobody and she witnessed it with

617
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.360
me. That was just all the
time, though I mean not all the

618
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:10.480
time, but that was often.
And then another thing that was often was

619
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:17.760
you'd hear the water turn on.
If I was downstairs, the water would

620
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.719
turn on, not downstairs, but
I could hear it turn on. You

621
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.880
go upstairs and it wouldn't be on
anymore, or if you were upstairs,

622
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.000
you'd hear it turn on downstairs.
I never caught it on though I have

623
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.920
to say, so, I just
we just heard it. I don't know.

624
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.519
I never caught the water on.
That was just you know, the

625
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:44.880
things you hear. People talk about
typical stuff, right, but the things

626
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:51.039
that were not so typical. And
I have heard people say they heard somebody

627
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.920
call out their name, but I
don't like that. The only time I

628
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.239
remember it happening to me was I
was by myself in the house and I

629
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:06.360
was in the kitchen, and the
kitchen had an iron ironing board that was

630
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:07.920
in the wall. You know these
little skinny ones that are up in the

631
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.800
wall and you can pull it down
out of the wall. Do you know

632
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.960
what I'm talking about. Okay,
they're built in. Some of the old

633
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:21.119
houses had it. We had that
in that kitchen and I was ironing,

634
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.320
and the kitchen was right by the
back door, and it was nighttime,

635
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.039
and I heard my brother clearly heard
my brother say Beth, Beth, and

636
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:36.599
like, Beth, let me in. And I said, just a second,

637
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.000
just a second, I'll be right
there, and I took care of

638
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.480
the iron and then I walked over
there, walked to the door. He's

639
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.239
not there, nobody's there. And
it wasn't that far to that door either,

640
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:54.920
it was just like ten feet maybe, and I went to the door

641
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.719
and nobody's there. So the back
of the house, if you walked out

642
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.519
of down those steps out of the
back of that, there's like three steps.

643
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.079
I think it was out the back
door. Our driveway was off to

644
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:13.599
the left. Like if I walked
down there, I could see the driveway.

645
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:15.159
There was not a car. I
walked around. There's no car there.

646
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.880
And my brother didn't live there at
the time, so he was off

647
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:23.320
at college. But I clearly heard
my brother and I looked, there's no

648
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.360
car. I know, of course
that he could have pulled up and then

649
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.599
left. I mean that's physically possible. I went to the front of the

650
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.440
house. There's nobody there. So
I just went back in the house and

651
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.079
just now continued. But the next
time I talked to him, because he

652
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:43.239
did not show up that night.
Next time I talked to him, I

653
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.119
said, you know this happened.
Did you come to the house and then

654
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:52.519
leap No. I mean I clearly
heard my brother, but my mom leader

655
00:52:52.519 --> 00:53:00.679
I found out after I moved away. My mom clearly heard at different times

656
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.719
call out Mom to her and nobody's
there, you know, not one of

657
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.039
us is there, and I think
it seems like my sister told me that

658
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:15.280
she heard her name get called out. So it doesn't like that. I

659
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.440
don't. I don't like hearing somebody
talking to me and you know, and

660
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.079
especially I thought it was my brother
and it's not. There's nobody there and

661
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.480
it's not my brother. I didn't
like that. See, this is one

662
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:31.000
of those moments that I was talking
about. I don't recall you telling me

663
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.280
that before. I might not have
told you that one, because I mean,

664
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.320
there's so many you know what I
mean. That's that's something that's happened

665
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:45.440
here. Oh really, yeah,
people did they say your name? I've

666
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.920
never heard it. It's never happened
to me, but it happened to a

667
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:55.480
friend of mine back whenever we were
in high school. I had a couple

668
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.840
of friends over. They were staying
the night here, and one of them

669
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.079
went to the bathroom and the other
one was in the living room and I

670
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.719
can't remember where I was. I
was off doing something, and whenever I

671
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:19.519
came back, they were both in
the living room talking about something and they're

672
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.199
kind of arguing or whatever, and
I was like, what's going on.

673
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.239
Well, whenever the one went to
the bathroom. The other one was staying

674
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:35.440
there and he heard someone go into
the kitchen and get like open the cabinet

675
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.400
door, and then he claims that
that other friend yelled for him to come

676
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:44.280
into the kitchen, and he got
up and walked into the kitchen and nobody's

677
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:49.639
there, and he's like kind of
looking around. Then my other friend comes

678
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.599
out of the bathroom, comes walking
down the hallway, not knowing what's going

679
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.880
on or anything, and he thought
he was, you know, like trying

680
00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:00.400
to pull a prank or something.
He didn't really understand what was going That's

681
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.159
what they were talking about in the
living room. And you know, my

682
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.400
other friend that was in the bathroom
swears up and down he went to the

683
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.239
bathroom. He was never in the
kitchen. And then just the other day,

684
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:15.519
and by the other day, I
mean yesterday. This is kind of

685
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:22.159
freaky. I didn't even think about
it until you said something. So my

686
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.840
stepson and his girlfriend came over to
visit, and I was talking to my

687
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:34.360
stepdaughter in the kitchen and my stepson's
girlfriend came into the kitchen. She's like,

688
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.239
what do you want, what what's
going on? And I was like,

689
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.280
you know, we're both just like
looking her like what are you talking

690
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.480
about? And she was like,
you just yelled for me. You just

691
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.000
yelled my name. And I was
like, no, idn't. And She's

692
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.199
just got like this look on her
face, like I'm just sitting there lying

693
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:55.800
to her face. You know this
is she's not thinking yeah, and she's

694
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.760
just like, what do you want, Like, you just yelled my name.

695
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.760
And I'm like looking at my stepdaughter
and she's like, no, he

696
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:08.599
didn't. Nobody said your name at
all. Well somebody did, yeah,

697
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.840
And I didn't even think about that
until now, but yeah, that's happened

698
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.800
to a few people here. The
only thing I've ever heard is voice wise,

699
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.199
was, you know, just the
muffled voices like a TV on in

700
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.239
the other room or something like that, with no TV on in the room.

701
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:30.440
I've heard that, and so have
so have my so have I started

702
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.760
to say, my boys, but
not not both my boys here at this

703
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:40.679
house. I've heard that. I've
I have actually gotten up thinking that the

704
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.039
kids are in the living room.
I mean this has been for a few

705
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.719
years ago. The kids are in
the living room and they are too loud

706
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.679
because I got to go to work
tomorrow and they're just talking and they got

707
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:59.559
the TV going. I can hear
it, and I've gotten up and walked

708
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.119
out to tell them, you guys, turn that TV off. I've got

709
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.039
and there's nobody out there that is
freaky. Yeah, that happened here.

710
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.320
You had a pretty creepy story about
your brother. I believe that was in

711
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:17.800
the basement or his room was in
the basement or something. I've got two

712
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:23.800
stories, but of one from one
brother and one from the other. So

713
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.159
I've got I had two older brothers, and my one that was only eighteen

714
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:36.760
minuths older than me when he when
he was in high school, if he

715
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:42.480
went out and partied, he would
instead of going upstairs and possibly getting busted,

716
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.239
you know, coming upstairs making noise, he would go to sleep in

717
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:50.760
the basement. We had a mattress
down there because we had kept it down

718
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.280
there for the tornado situation because we
need to sleep in the basement or something,

719
00:57:55.159 --> 00:58:02.079
and he would sleep down there sometimes. And one Saturday morning he woke

720
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.880
me up and he said, did
you come in the basement last night?

721
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.000
And I said no, And then
he went and woke my little brother up

722
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:19.320
and asked him. He said,
no, no, I didn't and so

723
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.639
we're like why, and he said
that in the middle of the night he

724
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.840
woke up, he felt something.
He woke up and he knew somebody was

725
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.519
in the bed with him, and
for whatever reason, he had a creepy

726
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.920
feeling from the you know, from
the very beginning. Instead of immediately thinking

727
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.840
that maybe it was one of us
or whatever, he was creeped out.

728
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:50.480
And he reached over with his hand
and he felt an arm, and he

729
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:55.239
said it was very very skinny like
that. All he could think was had

730
00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:00.320
to be one of us, very
very thin arm, and it just he

731
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:05.960
didn't feel in his heart like it
was one of us, and it scared

732
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.320
him so bad. Once he felt
the arm, he laid there and like

733
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:15.559
we were talking about he earlier when
we were discussing different things, he pretended

734
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:22.000
like he was asleep and he could
not sleep, and he was so creeped

735
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.639
out because he knew there was something
not right next to him in the bed.

736
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.000
He knew it wasn't us. But
the next morning, when the sun

737
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.800
came up, and the sun finally
came up, he got brave enough to

738
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.719
jump up and there was nobody there. And then that's when he ran up

739
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:44.480
and asked us, and he was
hoping we'd say yes, but he didn't.

740
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:50.719
Yeah that that Yeah, that creeped
me out. Then my oldest brother

741
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.800
he would when he would come home
from college, he'd sleep down in that

742
00:59:53.880 --> 01:00:00.679
basement. And I didn't hear this
story until of Okay, this is kind

743
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.000
of weird. But after everything in
the house, I had nothing else was

744
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.320
happening, So there was a there
was a dry period. I hadn't heard

745
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:15.239
a noise, hadn't had anything creepy
happened. I kind of got brave enough

746
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:19.760
to talk about it because I used
to think that if you talked about it

747
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:24.519
out loud, it would know this
is so weird, even if I wasn't

748
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:29.199
at the house. I don't think
it is, though, because that sort

749
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.840
of thing happens a lot, and
people tend to write it off as well,

750
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.320
it's just your mind playing tricks on
me because you're you know, you're

751
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.760
spooking yourself or whatever. But that
stuff really does happen whenever you start talking

752
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.280
about it, or you're watching a
scary movie and you got that kind of

753
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.800
atmosphere going on something about it.
I don't know if it's the energy or

754
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.840
what, but it happens way too
often to too many people for it just

755
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:59.320
all to be figments of the imagination
in my opinion. Well, I tid

756
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.119
did not to talk about it out
loud because I was afraid that if it

757
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.599
heard me, even if I wasn't
at the house, if it heard me

758
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.039
say it say it followed me or
whatever. I didn't know. If it

759
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:15.039
heard me, what if it wanted
to scare me, then it would know

760
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.559
that I knew, and it would
you know. Oh, I don't even

761
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:22.119
know how to explain it. So
I wouldn't talk about it. I didn't

762
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:27.559
tell people much of anything. But
one night, my two brothers and I

763
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.679
were all in the same car.
I don't remember where we come from,

764
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:35.840
but my oldest brother was driving us
to the house and I brought it up.

765
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:37.559
I got brave and brought it up, and I just said, have

766
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:43.199
you noticed, like did Okay?
First of all, do you guys think

767
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:47.000
the house is haunted? And then
they had just started telling me stories.

768
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:53.280
Okay, Now I already knew Mark
had that experience. My middle brother,

769
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.519
I knew he had that experience with
the armed thing because he told us.

770
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.880
But we really didn't discuss us things
much other than that, except if we

771
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:07.039
were in the same room and that
if we heard the steps, you know,

772
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.159
the footsteps coming up the stairs.
You can't really deny that one.

773
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:14.840
I mean, you both heard it. You were there, but we didn't

774
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:19.239
really talk about things. So I
said, did you notice that? So

775
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.880
you do think? So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had things

776
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:27.519
happen to me. Have you noticed
nothing else, nothing's been happening lately,

777
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:29.760
Because that's the way it feels to
me. And I was afraid to say

778
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.960
the words out loud because if I
said that out loud, what if it

779
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.559
heard that and then it says,
oh, well, I can I can

780
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:44.480
do something about that. I can
fix that problem right now. So my

781
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.639
oldest brother told me that, oh
yeah, it's oh i've he said,

782
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.360
I've known for a long time because
as a matter of fact, he used

783
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.280
to hang out in that house before
it was our house, because his best

784
01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:00.960
friend's family lived in that house before
us. Okay, so he started telling

785
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.039
me stories about before. I mean, I didn't he'd never told me any

786
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.280
of that stuff, but he started
telling me stories that happened even when he

787
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.000
was just hanging out there with the
friend. But he said, yeah,

788
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.480
he said, this is the worst
thing that happened to me. And he

789
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.280
said, in the basement, I
was asleep, and I always felt like

790
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.599
somebody was watching me. But I
woke up and there was a stairway,

791
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:28.920
you know, down into the basement, and the stairway that went down to

792
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:34.679
the basement. His bed was like
pretty close to that, and he woke

793
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:39.840
up and he said there was a
figure standing there by the staircase at the

794
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.880
bottom by the bed, not a
few feet from the bed, but he

795
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.880
could see he could see it from
the bed, and it was there was

796
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.679
a figure standing there, and he
said it was glowing kind of a greenish

797
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.800
color, and that it was a
woman, and she had a bonnet on

798
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.719
her head, and she had a
long dress like from the eight hundreds,

799
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.840
and she was facing him, but
she didn't have a face. He said,

800
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:08.239
it was just a blur. The
face was a blur, but he

801
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.440
could see the blondet and he could
see her dress, and she glowed and

802
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.239
she looked like she was she must
be staring at him because she was facing

803
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.159
him. And he freaked out.
As soon as he realized he was seeing

804
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:23.880
this, he freaked out and was
He said, I don't even remember exactly

805
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.320
what I was saying, But I
was saying, go away, why why

806
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.679
are you bothering? Why are you
here? You need to go away,

807
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.840
leave me alone? Why are you
doing this? Or something like that,

808
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:39.880
and she just disappeared. Well,
then, as we talked about this,

809
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.679
I asked him, well, when
did that happen? And he told me,

810
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:47.079
and I realized if it seemed like
that was about the same time when

811
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.920
everything quit. You know that I
hadn't noticed anything in a while. So

812
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:58.239
but but I don't, I in
my heart, because of the things I

813
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.280
had happened to me, I don't
I think it was just her there.

814
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:06.440
If it was just her, why
would everything quit? I don't know.

815
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.840
But I don't think it was just
her there. I don't think she was

816
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.880
the one calling out in my brother's
voice. And I don't think it was

817
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:20.760
her. Well, I haven't even
told this story. I told you there

818
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:28.800
was a situation in my bedroom where
I was going to bed, and I

819
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.000
turned the light out and got into
bed. And as soon as I got

820
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.639
in bed, I had this bookcase
across the room from my bed that had

821
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:41.440
all my knickknacks on my prized possessions, and I could hear something moving around.

822
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.480
It sounded like moving on the bookcase, like like I'm gonna make a

823
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:51.960
noise? Can you hear that?
Like this? Like a yeah, moving

824
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:57.280
around on the bookcase. And I, of course, I'd already had many

825
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.480
things happened, so I was already
freaked out just here and that. And

826
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.119
it kept on moving around. It
wasn't continuous, but it would do it

827
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.840
ever so often. So I jumped
up and ran and told my mom.

828
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:11.480
My mom was in the room close
to me on the second floor watching TV.

829
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.719
I said, there's something in my
room. She said, what do

830
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:19.119
you mean? I said, well, and I told her. I said,

831
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.880
I keep hearing something. There's something
moving things around in my bookcase.

832
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.639
I mean, how do you tell
it? What do you say? I

833
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.400
think? I mean, I don't
know what. I just told her,

834
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.280
I heard things moving on my bookcase. Well, what do you what do

835
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.440
you mean? Well, there's something
in my room, mom, you know.

836
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.320
So she came in there, she
looked around. I don't see anything.

837
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:44.840
Everything's cool. Must she said,
it must be a mouse. Okay,

838
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.559
all right, it's a mouse.
So then she left went back into

839
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:51.960
the den, and it started happening
again, and I jumped up again.

840
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:56.519
I'm like, there is something in
there, moving things on my bookcase.

841
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:00.840
She came back in there, she
looked around again. Then she looks in

842
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.159
my closet to see if she can
see the mouse. And there's nothing,

843
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:08.519
of course, and she says,
I don't you know, I don't know

844
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.320
it's I'm sure it's nothing, but
you know, you just need to go

845
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.719
to bed. So she left.
So I turned out the light again and

846
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.000
got in the bed and pulled the
covers up. And you know, I'm

847
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.960
getting afraid by this time, because
I heard it. She didn't hear it.

848
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.360
She didn't hear it at all,
because it wasn't doing it when she

849
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.840
was in there. But I heard
it. So I pulled the covers up

850
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.960
to my face and I shut my
eyes, and then I heard this noise

851
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:41.280
down at the bottom of my bed
spread. I swear it sounded just like

852
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.840
what if somebody took their finger nails, maybe a couple of finger nails.

853
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.840
I mean, this is what I
saw in my head hearing it. Was

854
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:56.880
like your index finger and your middle
finger and scrape up up the bedspread.

855
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:03.599
Scrape scraped up slowly like it was
trying to scare me. Scranked all the

856
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:11.920
way up to like right under my
chin almost, and I just thought,

857
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:15.920
oh my god, who. I
just thought, I can't let it know

858
01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:17.520
that I hear it. I can't
let it know that I hear it.

859
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:21.199
I can't. I just kept my
eyes closed. I tried to be as

860
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:27.640
still as I could, but my
heart was beating so hard. I'm getting

861
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:30.920
nervous even talking about it right now. It's making my it's making me like

862
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.880
get tight my chest thinking about it. My heart was beating so hard.

863
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.479
I could, I could. I
could hear it my ears, for sure,

864
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:42.199
I could. I felt like I
could hear it in my chest.

865
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:49.479
It was beaten so hard. And
then it just graped slowly, that damn

866
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:56.680
slowly. I just kept my eyes
closed, and I just thought, I

867
01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.880
just can't let it know that I
hear it. I can't let it know.

868
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.439
And this is the weirdest thing.
And I told you this. I

869
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:08.800
can't even believe it happened. Somehow, I fell asleep. I don't even

870
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:14.039
know how. How can you go
to sleep with something so scary is happening?

871
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:20.840
But I did. I mean,
emotions can exhaust a person. It

872
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.760
could be some sort of defense mechanism. It could be shocked, It could

873
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:30.399
be a lot of things. I
felt asleep. You and I have talked

874
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.960
about it like that. That was
basically my reaction as well whenever I was

875
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:40.279
a kid was do everything you can
to fall asleep. My whole reasoning was

876
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.319
the center. I fall asleep,
the center, it will be morning and

877
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.359
this will be over. And that
is true. But I don't know how

878
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:51.800
I did it, but I did
it. I can't. I was always

879
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.520
more afraid to get out of the
bed than to stay in the bed with

880
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.680
whatever was going on. Sometimes there
was a few cases where I just got

881
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:10.800
too frightened and I had to abandon
ship. But usually the idea of letting

882
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:14.920
it know, you know that I
was aware of it, or what would

883
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.600
happen if I did take off running
or jump up and try to turn the

884
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:24.520
white on was going to be way
worse than whatever was actually happening. Yeah,

885
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:28.439
and I didn't want to open my
eyes and see something either. Yeah.

886
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:32.760
Yeah, Yeah, that was also
a big one. You had an

887
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.920
incident where you felt like something got
in your bed too, didn't you.

888
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:42.720
Yes, that was the worst thing. Okay, that was at that house.

889
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.000
And when I say worst, nothing
happened to me, I mean,

890
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:57.880
but it scared me so bad that
all this, all this accumulatively scared me

891
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.680
so bad that I was traumatized all
the way into my adulthood. Just a

892
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:09.359
few years ago, well several now, but I was traumatized by this,

893
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.000
and nothing bad happened to me.
It wasn't evil, you know what I

894
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:19.159
mean, but like demonic stuff happened. But it scared me so bad that

895
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:26.119
I was so traumatized that this was
the worst I was. It was a

896
01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:30.920
Saturday. I will never forget it. It was a Saturday. My mom

897
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:35.960
always cooked breakfast on Saturdays. And
I was laying in my bed and I

898
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:42.000
was on the second floor, and
I had this bedroom that had these huge

899
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:46.039
This house was pretty old. It
had these huge windows across. I had

900
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:50.119
the best room in the whole house
because I had one, two, three,

901
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:56.199
three big windows. And then and
then the corner of the house turned

902
01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:59.000
and I had a like a half
window. But they were very tall,

903
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:04.359
so I had plants in my windows. I had these wind shines hanging the

904
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:09.119
windows. And we didn't have any
air conditioning. Now, my dad and

905
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.600
my mom had window unit in their
bedrooms, so they had a condition but

906
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.520
I didn't. So my windows were
always open when it was hot. You

907
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:23.960
know, and so I loved that
room. Anyway, I was laying there

908
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.720
and I was just slicking out the
windows because there was a tree right outside

909
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:31.520
my windows, and I was watching
birds. They were, you know,

910
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.439
gathering in the tree and I could
hear them singing and everything. So I

911
01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:38.680
was just laying there and being lazy, and my mom was cooking and I

912
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:44.560
could smell it, you know,
I could smell bacon. So I'm just

913
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:48.119
laying there kind of waiting for my
mom to cook the breakfast. And I

914
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.600
was just laying around and I was
and I was turned towards the window,

915
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.560
like on my side, on the
right side, turned towards the window,

916
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.960
and I felt somebody getting on the
bed. And it was not a surprise

917
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:01.560
eyes to me, you know,
it didn't shot me or anything, because

918
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.239
my little brother would if he knew
I was awake and he woke up,

919
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.479
he'd come in my room and come
get on the bed with me and just

920
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:12.439
sang out until we got up,
you know. And so I'm thinking it's

921
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:15.560
him now, you know, I'm
not thinking a thing. Bed moves nothing.

922
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.079
And then it felt like he got
back up out of the bed,

923
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:24.239
and then I felt him get back
on the bed and then got up out

924
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.600
of bed, and I turned and
I was turning over, and as I

925
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.319
was turning, I was talking.
I was going to say something like I

926
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.119
was saying, or are you getting
in or not? Or you know something

927
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.800
I don't know. I turned and
I turned over, and when I turned

928
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:41.880
over, I could see a little
boy there, but it wasn't my brother,

929
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:46.520
and he was smaller than my brother. I looked right at him.

930
01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:53.720
He was wearing a white tshirt blue
jeans cut offs, which was pretty popular

931
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:56.960
back in those days. We all
did that. We wore shorts that were

932
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.319
blue jeans cut off. And he
had a bird blonde berr haircut. And

933
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.359
I couldn't tell. Now, this
is the part that this is why I

934
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:13.079
can't promise I saw a ghost.
I was very nearsighted, and I didn't

935
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.640
have any glasses on it, and
I didn't have any contacts in. But

936
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.960
I don't know what I would have
looked at. It looked like a little

937
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:26.279
boy wearing a white tshirt and blue
jeans cutoffs, but I couldn't see his

938
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.079
face clearly, and which I because
I didn't have clear eyesight, I was

939
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:33.960
nearsighted. I couldn't see his face
clearly, it looked to me like he

940
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:38.680
was looking out the window. I
couldn't tell if he's looking at me or

941
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:44.119
looking out the window. But because
I was so nearsighted, I over the

942
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:48.399
years I've talked myself out of believing
Yeah, I saw that, but I

943
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.560
saw it. So I saw it
at the moment I saw it, because

944
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:56.800
I wasn't talking myself out of it. Well, when I saw him,

945
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:59.600
I only looked for like two seconds, and then it freaked me out.

946
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:04.199
So because I knew for some reason, I knew he wasn't, you know,

947
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:10.479
there like he wasn't a boy,
he wasn't a flesh and blood boy.

948
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.920
I turned over back over to the
other side, thought about it,

949
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:16.079
thought about it, thought about it, and I had the cover pulled up

950
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.079
because I yanked the cover up to
me. I'm thinking about what do I

951
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.680
do? What do I do?
What do I do? And then I

952
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.319
fucking getting back on the bed.
I felt somebody getting back on the bed,

953
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.359
and you know, if he had
the cover over you, and it's

954
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:33.479
like, so you got the cover
pulled under your chin, and you if

955
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:40.039
somebody was to have leaned over you
and their arm went across you and was

956
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:45.720
tightening the blanket around you because they
had their being pressed. Yeah, you

957
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.920
know what I'm talking about. Can
you imagine? Okay, that's what I

958
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:51.920
felt. The blanket went tight across
me, like somebody had leaned over me

959
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:59.920
and was their hand was pressing the
cover down. Oh I I just went

960
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.880
saying, and I jumped up,
and when I jumped up that I didn't

961
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:08.279
feel anything. Okay, I didn't
feel It wasn't like I felt me push

962
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:13.479
a body off me or anything.
But and I jumped up and ran downstairs.

963
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.479
And I can't even really remember going
downstairs. I mean, I remember

964
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:21.319
jumping up, and I know I
went downstairs. I don't remember myself going

965
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:26.359
down mister, don't remember like running
or anything, but I did. And

966
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:30.960
I ran into the kitchen, and
I do remember stopping at the kitchen door

967
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:32.800
where my mom was in there cooking, and she said, what do you

968
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:39.239
what's wrong? And I didn't know
what to say, you know, because

969
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:45.960
it was so it was so tabboo
to talk about ghosts. And not that

970
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.760
my mom didn't believe in ghosts,
because I know she did, she told

971
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:53.640
me later, but because my dad
was preacher, it was tabboo, I

972
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:58.640
said, And I told her.
I just told her what happened. And

973
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:01.119
I mean, I didn't have it
doubt. I had no doubt that I

974
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:08.600
was asleep dreaming and then dreamed this. But she said, you had to

975
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:13.199
be dreaming. You must not have
been awake. You know, it is

976
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:16.760
like it's still morning, you were
still in bed. I said, no,

977
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.319
Mom, I was not dreaming.
I was. I was wide away,

978
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:25.680
Mom, I was wide awake.
And I told her I was looking

979
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:28.520
up the window watching birds. I
was a wake up. You were cooking,

980
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:31.800
I was snowing bacon. I'm just
relaxing. I was not asleep.

981
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.640
This was not a dream. I
knew for a fact I was not dreaming.

982
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:41.720
But you know, because she told
me that, you know, that

983
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:45.239
was when I was like, I
think it was about thirteen or fourteen,

984
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:51.760
because she told me that. Over
the years, over the years, I've

985
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:58.960
wondered what was she right? Was
she right? You know? Was I

986
01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:02.640
asleep? No? I could I
could tell you for a fact I was

987
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.479
not. I don't know what that's
about either. And I know that's self

988
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:12.199
preservation too. That's like, yeah, it's much easier to deal with that,

989
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.760
you know, it's easier to deal
with that than the reality of what

990
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.439
it was. Because those years go
by, you can you can talk yourself

991
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:25.680
out of anything, really, I
think, or at least half way.

992
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:29.880
I mean, I continue to do
it. I do it all the time.

993
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.640
Yeah, I mean over the years, I can say, well,

994
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:36.800
that was so long ago, how
do I really know? I was so

995
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:41.600
young whatever. But at the moment, no, there was nobody going to

996
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.960
tell me that I was asleep.
I knew I wasn't asleep. Oh so

997
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.520
that was that traumatized me. And
you know, then again, nothing bad

998
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:57.000
happened. It wasn't bad. It
just wasn't supposed to be happening. You

999
01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.479
know. That's what it is.
It's not you're not supposed to Half these

1000
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:06.760
things happen in your house, in
your room. That's the same filling in

1001
01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:11.720
bigfoot encounters. You know, this
thing isn't supposed to be here, it's

1002
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:19.560
not supposed to exist. But whether
it's bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs, whatever,

1003
01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:26.039
so many people are seeing the same
things, they're talking about the same

1004
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:30.079
things. And I think the more
we talk about it, the more it

1005
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:35.359
helps. And maybe through all these
conversations eventually will start understanding some of it,

1006
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.720
or maybe not, who knows.
I don't know about the understanding,

1007
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:49.039
but in talking with other people,
and there are other things you can do

1008
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:54.359
besides talk to people, which I
did, which is go out and explore

1009
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:59.000
it, even though it scares the
crap out of you. Explore it when

1010
01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:04.479
you when you open up and just
say, hey, you know, this

1011
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:08.560
stuff really is happening. I believe
it's really happening. I'm gonna go ahead.

1012
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:12.600
I'm just gonna immerse myself. I'm
just gonna let it happen. You

1013
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:15.239
get to where you find out that
I don't know about. I mean,

1014
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.960
I'm sure there's some people that have
had some horrible things happened to them,

1015
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:24.720
but not me. It wasn't horrible. It just felt horrible to me.

1016
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:31.600
If you just kind of open up
and say, hey, it's just those

1017
01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:39.319
are just people. Those ghosts are
just people. There are people that are

1018
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:46.279
no longer in their body, but
there's still people. And most people are

1019
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:51.039
probably not terrible people. I mean, some people are, and they're probably

1020
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:56.680
terrible ghosts also because they were terrible
people. I don't know. When you

1021
01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.399
die, maybe you get suddenly changed
into a good being. I don't know,

1022
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.079
but I've probably there are some pretty
bad ghosts too. But most of

1023
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:11.520
them are probably just normal people and
they died and they don't know why.

1024
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.119
A lot of them might not know
why they are where they are and that

1025
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:20.640
they're dead, or maybe they do
know and maybe they don't want to go

1026
01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:26.920
anywhere because they love it whatever.
They're just people. If you can see

1027
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:30.680
it like that, it helps a
lot. And I finally got to where

1028
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.479
I could see it like that,
you know, yeah, just a few

1029
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:40.920
years ago. So now when things
happen, it's it doesn't do it doesn't

1030
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:45.520
affect me the way it did,
And I'm so glad. I'm so glad

1031
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:51.760
I don't get traumatized by a person
who just doesn't happen to be in their

1032
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:57.760
body anymore, you know. I
mean I kind of feel sorry for them

1033
01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:02.159
in a way. Why are you
hanging around here? You know? I'm

1034
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:08.319
sure there's lots of better places to
be than here. Yeah. I've definitely

1035
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:13.319
heard some horror stories, but I've
never experienced anything where I was hurt or

1036
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:23.000
nothing was broken or anything. Just
real scary, just really really scary as

1037
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:28.079
all. Yeah, can I tell
one short one? You can the floor.

1038
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:32.119
This is my most important one to
me because it happened two years ago

1039
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:36.640
in this house two years ago last
October. You want to talk about the

1040
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:43.239
smiling man, don't you. Yes, I didn't know if you wanted to

1041
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:46.359
bring that up or not. I
do because he because I like him.

1042
01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:49.600
I mean that I don't. That's
what I'm talking about. He didn't scare

1043
01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:55.039
me. If it had happened years
ago, he would have scared the crap

1044
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:58.479
out of it, even if he
did smile, just because he's a ghost.

1045
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:00.840
So I was wide away. I
will not make it into a long

1046
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:08.199
drawn out one. I was wide
awake watching TV with my boyfriend. Were

1047
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:11.560
sitting on the couch and it was
a nice and we had the lights out.

1048
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.520
I don't even remember what we were
watching, because now you know,

1049
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.560
once this happened, who cared what
I was watching. But it wasn't something

1050
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:20.800
something scary. So it wasn't like
I was in a mood for a ghost

1051
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:25.239
or anything like that, or you
know, I didn't have myself psyched up

1052
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:29.079
for that. But you know,
how you can see something move. I

1053
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:31.600
have really good peripheral vision. I
think I can see things off to the

1054
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.239
side really well. I saw something
move I thought I did. I mean

1055
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:39.640
it just kind of I saw it. I didn't think about it. I

1056
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:44.880
just saw something move turned my head
to the left and I saw something,

1057
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:49.720
and I went I just looked at
it again, and it was what I

1058
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:54.479
thought I saw. I saw a
face looking right back at me. I

1059
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:58.399
didn't even make a noise. My
boyfriend's still sitting over here watching TV.

1060
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.760
I didn't even make a noise.
I just looked at it, looked looked

1061
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:06.880
again, and there was a guy
looking at me. And he wasn't glowing.

1062
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.279
Okay, so you hear glowing Like
my brother said, he saw this

1063
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:17.439
glowing green woman. He was not
glowing, but he wasn't quite he I

1064
01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:19.880
could see through him a little bit. But at the moment, I didn't

1065
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.600
even think of that. All I
looked at was I looked at his face.

1066
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:29.279
He's looking right back at me,
and it only lasted for life this

1067
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.159
long. So I look two.
Three he kind of smiled a little bit,

1068
01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:40.600
just a little bit, just a
little bit. Four he started walking.

1069
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.920
He took a couple of steps to
my left, and there was an

1070
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:47.399
opening between my couch on the left
that went into the dining room and into

1071
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:51.239
the kitchen. There's no wall behind
my couch. He walked past me.

1072
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:56.520
I turned and looked around behind me, and I'm doing it right now because

1073
01:24:56.520 --> 01:25:00.399
I've seen it. I'm seeing it
right now. I turned it, looked,

1074
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:04.319
and he was not there anymore.
I turned back, and I think

1075
01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:09.039
I must turned and looked over my
shoulder. I don't know how many times,

1076
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.439
several times I looked again to see
if I could see him again.

1077
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.880
He was not there. I turned
back, So I'm thinking, Okay,

1078
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.119
he's gone, but at least I
can't see him. I'm sitting there.

1079
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:24.760
My boyfriend's still sitting there watching TV. He didn't even notice me turning or

1080
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:30.680
anything. Just an oblivious man.
Yes, And I was thinking, I've

1081
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.359
got to tell him. I've got
to tell him. I've got to tell

1082
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:36.319
him this because I haven't seen anything
since that little boy at my house when

1083
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.159
I was a little kid, you
know, when I was young, thirteen

1084
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.920
or whatever. I'm thinking, i
gotta tell him. I've got to tell

1085
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:46.520
him. I've got to tell him
this. But if I tell him,

1086
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:50.560
he's just gonna have that blank look
on his face, like uh huh.

1087
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:56.399
Yes, but he never has read
to me about it. He listens to

1088
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:59.680
me, but he doesn't really make
comments. Okay, So I knew he

1089
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:01.319
was going to do that, and
I knew it was gonna kiss me off.

1090
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:05.560
But I turned and looked at him
and I said, I've got to

1091
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:10.520
tell you something, and he looked
at me. What I said, I

1092
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:16.800
just saw something. I just I
just saw I just saw a ghost.

1093
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:25.279
And he just looked at me.
And I just started crying because I knew

1094
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:28.760
you were gonna do that, and
he's just looking at me, like,

1095
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.399
what what did I do? I
knew you were gonna look at me like

1096
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.680
that. But I'm telling you,
I'm just I'm telling you I just saw

1097
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:42.439
something so so amazing and you're just
looking at me. But it really did

1098
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:45.680
happen. I saw a ghost.
So then I tell him all about it.

1099
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.319
And then I realized that ghost kind
of looked like him, a little

1100
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.239
bit not like him, and it
wasn't like exactly like him. I said,

1101
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.840
you know what, as a matter
of fact, he kind of looked

1102
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:59.640
like you. And then I thought, well, of course a ghost shows

1103
01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:02.079
up. I see a ghost and
it's not even anybody coming to see me.

1104
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:08.439
He's probably coming to see him because
it's probably one of his relatives.

1105
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:13.760
I'm thinking that just that really is
that's not even fair. If I'm going

1106
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.119
to see the ghosts, it should
be somebody coming to see me. But

1107
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:18.920
I told him, he, you
know, he actually could like be your

1108
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:25.359
brother or something. And he didn't
have a brother, but he kind of

1109
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:30.119
looked like him. So you know, once you see a ghost, I

1110
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:33.279
mean, I mean, and I
saw him clear. I mean he was

1111
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:38.119
he was kind of see through,
but I could see him. It was

1112
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:41.760
no imagination, It wasn't a maybe
thing. He was there. He looked

1113
01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:47.239
right at me. And once you
see one, it's just you can't quit

1114
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:51.520
talking about it. Like, I
don't know, I couldn't, like ever,

1115
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:56.520
so often I'd bring it up again. So one day I brought it

1116
01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.600
up again. We were dripping.
We were coming home from grocery shopping or

1117
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.119
whatever, I don't remember. We'd
been to Lows, I know that,

1118
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.479
and because we had some stuff,
we had to take the backyard. So

1119
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:10.239
we were talking about it and I
said, and I'm discussing what he looked

1120
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.079
like. And I said, you
know what, as a matter of fact,

1121
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:15.720
and we start walking in the house, I said, he looked he

1122
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:19.000
looked a lot like you look in
this picture in here, this one on

1123
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:23.520
the wall. And I walked around
and showed him the picture. It was

1124
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:27.479
when he was a teenager, him
and his friend and his two sisters.

1125
01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:30.920
They put on this outfits you put
on like you go to the state fair

1126
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:35.560
and you can put all on these
like cowboy outfits or whatever and you get

1127
01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:40.840
to picture your picture. So they
were all dressed up like saloon she The

1128
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.439
girls looked like saloon girls. They
they had guns and hats and stuff,

1129
01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:47.239
and they were cow kind of like
Butch Cassian Sundance kid is what they look

1130
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:51.560
like. So we got this picture
on the wall there and said like that

1131
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:55.039
that's what he looked like. A
lot like that, but not exactly,

1132
01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:58.079
but a lot like that right there. Then we walked out in the backyard

1133
01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.199
and we went took our lows products
out to the backyard, and we went

1134
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.439
all the way to the back of
the yard and put the products down where

1135
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:11.840
I was going to use them.
And something crashed and we both heard this

1136
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:14.520
crash, and it came from the
direction of the house, but I couldn't

1137
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:16.439
tell if it was I thought it
was outside the house. At first,

1138
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:21.640
I still had the sliding glass door
opened there, so I looked around it

1139
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:25.640
and there was nothing outside. I
didn't see anything that could have fallen or

1140
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:31.720
anything. So I walked into the
through the back sliding glass door, and

1141
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.640
that picture that I had just pointed
out before we went outside was laying on

1142
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:42.560
the floor, so it had fallen
off the wall was laying on the floor,

1143
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:45.840
and it was I'm not gonna say, it looked like somebody threw it.

1144
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:49.439
You know, you hear stories,
Oh it's they threw it five feet

1145
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:54.439
away, but it was like it
was on the floor a couple of feet

1146
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:59.239
away or so. I picked it
up and I examined it, and it

1147
01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:01.760
was not broke. I mean,
it was glass with glass and everything,

1148
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:06.079
and it wasn't broken. And I
looked at it and the back the thing

1149
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:12.439
that you hang on the nail was
still there. And I looked up at

1150
01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:15.159
the wall and the nail was still
in the wall, and that I felt

1151
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:21.279
the nail and the nail was secure. It wasn't wobbly or anything. So

1152
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:26.000
I just picked it up and i'd
looked, you know, I looked at

1153
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.640
all that, and I looked at
my boyfriend. He looked at me,

1154
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.399
and he looked at that picture and
we just looked at each other for a

1155
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:38.680
second, and you know, I
just pointed that picture around so I just

1156
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:41.600
hung it back on the wall.
We kind of looked at each other and

1157
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.159
walked back out into the backyard,
and we discussed that about a hundred times

1158
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:50.159
since then. But that's my story. Well, Beth, I appreciate it.

1159
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:59.800
Many conversations to come. I'm afraid
and one more, one more.

1160
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.000
You're good, You're good. I've
enjoyed it. I appreciate you coming on

1161
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:09.079
and sharing everything. I enjoyed it
too. And if you've experienced something you

1162
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:12.039
can't explain, maybe you've seen a
bigfoot, or maybe you've seen a ghost,

1163
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.880
email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail
dot com. Check out the website

1164
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:20.199
Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can
find the links to the social media contact

1165
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.840
information, all the past episodes linked
to the merch store. Everything you need,

1166
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:30.359
all one place, and until next
I remember, there's something in the woods.