If you'd like to talk about your own big foot encounter, or if you're
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Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. No sasquatch were harmed in the recording of
this podcast. Beth, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Thank you, fellow Oki.
Yeah, you listened to the show, yes, and you listen well
enough that you had noticed that I had mentioned some things about some paranormal activity
in my house and growing up and stuff, and you said something about it
in the comments on the YouTube channel, and we've kind of been talking ever
since. It's kind of funny, though, because unbeknownst to yourself, recently
I had Randy Harrington on the show and he actually told me a story about
you, and I didn't know it was about you until we started talking.
Yeah, oh yeah. You basically grew up in an area near a place
that I used to investigate on a regular basis and had a what you call
a possible encounter. I say, it's a big foot encounter along a certain
creek at a different location than where I used to investigate at with the creek
specifically, But if you don't mind, let's just get started and just kind
of tell me all about that. Okay, So what happened was my brother
told me a story and he said somebody and I cannot recall who it was,
but it was somebody we knew, somebody. You know, this has
been years ago, okay, so I can't remember all the details, but
I don't remember who told him the story, but somebody told him that there
was an old monkey woman that guarded at an Indian now we say Native American,
back then it was Indian graveyard, and that she hung out in the
trees above the graveyard, around the graveyard, and if people came down and
they were messing around in that graveyard, that cemetery, she she was the
guardian. She jumped down out of the trees and chased them off. And
I thought it was a funny story, but my brother thought it was a
scary story and he believed it. So I don't recall if the person that
was telling him the story said they saw the monkey woman, but of course,
you know, all kids in small towns they say they saw all kinds
of things. Right, my cousin saw it. I forget all the different
ones we used to have, but there were all kinds of little you know,
critters and demons and you know and ghosts and stuff that. Yeah,
so it was a good way to get your girlfriend or boyfriend out to go,
you know, necking. That basically is what it was. So I
thought that's what it was. I thought that it was one of those stories
and I thought it was funny. But he thought it was scary. So
I don't even know. I don't recall if he I don't think no one
my brother. I don't think he talked me into it. I think I
talked him into it, probably, But I thought it would be fun to
go check that place out. I thought it would be scary, it'd be
fun, you know. And one night after church there were some kids that
went to church with us. We decided we were all going to go out
there and do and go check out see if we could could go see the
monkey woman and look for the monkey woman. Yeah, yeah, so we
all, I think there were two cars of us, and we drove out
in the country. Now I know where where this location is. At the
time, I didn't care. I wasn't driving. I knew kind of basically,
I knew where the road we took and turned off of to get there.
But that's all I knew. I didn't know exactly which road we turned
on. I didn't I didn't care. But we drove down a country road
and there were trees everywhere, and we pulled up to this parking this parking
lot that had a little the Indian church that so the cemetery was for the
people for the congregation, people that died from that particular church. And it
was an old church. I suppose it's been there my guests from the way
I remember that church had probably been there from the early nineteen hundreds or so.
I think nowadays it might be new or they built on twitter or something.
But back then it was just a little like one room church. And
we there was a there was a street light in the parking lot when the
parking lot was just a little gravel you know, parking lot. But we
parked the cars there and we all piled out of the cars and some of
the kids that like my brother and some of the other kids were older than
me, and they smoked. I didn't smoke, and my friend, my
girlfriend that came, she didn't smoke. They stayed up the cars they were
smoking, I guess to prepare themselves to go down, you know, check
out the monkey woman, because they probably had to get there, probably had
to get their courage or something. But we went. We went down to
where the opening was in there was a pathway that you could see there was
like grass on either side, and the grass was about with me standing there,
I would say it was about well, maybe just below my chin,
so maybe my shoulder level or so. And we were standing down down there,
and we were just my friend and I were talking, and we could
hear something rustling around. And so we had this tall grass, but behind
the tall grass there were trees, so it was like a forest back there,
and its trees and just thick, just thick growth because it was just
wild. We heard something rustling, so I put my finger up to my
lips and I looked at her, like to tell her to be quiet,
because I thought, I thought there was a raccoon or an armadillo or something,
you know, some little critter probably scurrying around in the brush and everything.
And I, you know, i'd been out in the country and that
I've been around wildlife a lot, and I liked animals. So I told
her to be quiet, and we just listened and we listened as it rustled
around. It seemed like it was just rustling around, rustling around, rustling
around. And I just stood there and looked at her, and she was
looking at me, and we could hear it was getting closer. And so
all of a sudden, all of a sudden, right in front of me,
above that grass, something popped up. And I would say, like,
I'm looking right now in this room I'm in, and I'm thinking about
the distance between me and it, and so I'm the way I'm remembering that
the distance was about I'm sitting at a desk and there's a chair over there
cross from me. I would say it was about probably maybe six foot away
from me. Wow, that ain't far well, but you know I couldn't.
I'm thinking right now, like I thought I could reach out into I
think I could have reached out and touched it had a leaned forward really far,
but not just reached out like so, I'm looking at my arm,
thinking that's about three and I don't know anyway, I'd say six feet or
five feet maybe in front of me. Popped up about the same height as
me. Well, I could tell from looking at whatever or whoever it was.
It was not It was not any other. It wasn't a deer,
Okay, I know what a deer looks like. And it looked like a
person, except it didn't look like a person. I couldn't see the face.
I wish I could tell you. I could. That would make a
lot better story, but I can't. That would be a lie. What
I saw was what looked like hair, And I know people have hair,
Okay, I know that it looked like shaggy hair on both sides. And
it was only I'm telling you, it was only like pop up long enough
for me to scream because it scared the crap out of me, because it
surprised me because I was expecting like an armadillo or something popped up. I
think I screamed. I don't even remember for sure if it was a scream
or if I yelled help, or I don't even know what I did.
I just know I did something. I made a noise because it scared me.
And then it jumped down like it was up, and I yelled it
was down, and then it was running, running so fast, and my
brother and his friends came asta as soon as I yelled or whatever I did
scream or whatever I did. They were running down trying to chase. They
could hear it too, I mean, him or whatever it was, person
whatever, They can hear it running and it was sounded like it was like
crashing through but it, man, it was sounded like it was pretty damn
fast. My brother ran down. He I remember him just jumping in there
and trying to get through and trying to chase whoever or whatever it was,
and there was no way and it was just too thick. My brother was
fast, so had it not been thick in there, he might have been
I'm pretty sure. I know he came from a you know, a few
yards away, but my brother was fast, so he probably could have caught
somebody that was just an average person unless they hid very well or something.
You know, maybe they stopped and hid. What do I know. He
couldn't get to them. And then he came back out and the guys that
were with him they couldn't find anybody. All I knew was it gave me
a funny feeling that it wasn't a person. And I can't even tell you
why, other than that hair didn't look it didn't look like a person's hair.
It didn't look like I can't tell you why. I really can't.
I can't honestly cannot tell you. But it did seem awfully odd too that
I'm thinking it was. Probably it was pitch dark, okay, except for
that street line. So I don't think that anybody was going to be out
there in those woods. Just so happened to be out there when we got
there. Why would they be there? We didn't even know. It's not
like we announced we were going to go there to anybody pre you know,
pre right just right after church we decided. So it wasn't like we told
people, hey, we're going to go out here, and so they could
have been out there waiting on us or anything, right anyway, So whatever,
So after that happened, then we all kind of got back together and
you know, shook it off. And then we did go down to the
cemetery to go see the monkey woman. But we never did see the monkey
woman. We didn't see anything. We saw some tombstones, and then we
left. Well, the next day, I mean, I couldn't get it
off my mind. It was just so weird to me. The next day,
I was talking to my mom and I told my mom about it.
I said, and you know, I wasn't thinking bigfoot, Okay, I
just didn't know what that was. I didn't know what happened. And I
was talking to my mom about it, and I described what happened. She
said, you saw bigfoot. I said, a bigfoot. First of all,
I'd never heard anybody and where this happened. Where I lived, I'd
never heard one person say anything about bigfoot in our area. Never. And
I can't believe it, because, I mean, I can't believe people were
talking about it, but maybe they were afraid to. I don't know.
I'd never heard one person talk about bigfoot in our area. But I said
bigfoot. I don't know about that. She said, yeah. But I
said, but Mom, I said, he was only like about a star
as I am. She said, you know, they're not like born big
They have kids and they have to grow up. She said, you probably
saw a kid, a kid bigfoot. She said, you know where your
grandmother grew up. It was down by the Boggy Creek area. So isn't
there like a boggy depot or something the depot play. Okay, my grandmother
grew up around there, and so my momad heard stories from my grand not
that my grandmother said she saw one, but my grandmother said she knew people
that saw one. But I've never heard anybody talk about a big foot anywhere
in our area. Then later, now this is what just this is what
kills me. So this was not that long ago, so like about maybe
just a couple or three months ago. I'm thinking it was all of a
sudden, I thought the old monkey woman, I mean, could she have
been a bigfoot? I mean, that's possible. And I didn't know.
I'd never heard that big foot could go up a tree, So I had
never heard those stories before until I was until recently in the last year.
It's first time I ever heard that. I thought, what if she was
a real what if she wasn't even that wasn't even just a story? Yeah,
what if she was? What if she was a bigfoot old lady,
somebody just trying to describe what they saw. Yeah, but that never even
occurred to me until just recently. I mean, it's possible, I guess.
I mean, I live in Tulsa. We're not going to give away
specific locations or anything. I'm sure some people that listen to the show religiously
will be able to figure out some things. But I'm a pretty good ways
from this location, and I ended up in the exact same area, within
a half mile, looking for these things, you know, all those years
later because of people seeing them right along that creek that you knew nothing about
that leads right to that location. I mean, I think it's just,
you know, it's a small world, but damn is it really that small.
What kills me is how come I never heard any of these stories when
I lived there, never not. I really didn't, even until just a
few years ago. I don't even remember the first time I heard a story
from there. And then I was like, dang, I mean I used
to go. I used to hang out in the same place you're talking about
that you saw. I mean, because i've heard your story recently, I
used to hang out there at dark in the night. I mean, I
don't know. You know, it's weird because first off, growing up,
Bigfoot wasn't even on my radar for a thing in Oklahoma. I was definitely
interested in this stuff at a very early age, but it was always stories
about the Pacific Northwest. I never even thought about this area. I didn't
see legend of Boggy Creek. I didn't know anything about that stuff until I
started looking into the subject on the internet. But I ended up meeting up
with people, and the very first time I ever in my life met up
with anybody to go actively look for Bigfoot in the state of Oklahoma. That's
exactly where we went. I mean, that was my first introduction and ultimately
became a prime investigation area for myself, a place where I had encounters,
where I had a siding, met numerous other people that have had sightings there,
have heard many stories from the area, but I couldn't tell you anything
about the history of the area beyond the people that I knew and the stories
that they had heard. I never heard. You know, you don't run
across old accounts of them being in that area or anything. But it seems
like a lot of the locals down there just know about them, they've always
been there. But then a lot of people in that location still have no
clue that they're there, or that people see them or report seeing them or
anything else. It's really kind of strange. I think I told you,
but I can't remember if I did or not. But my best friend from
there, her dad was Park Ranger, and I've asked her, did he
ever tell you anything, like any that there were stories or anything. She
said she doesn't remember ever hearing any. But now that I mean, I've
heard so many people talk about park rangers don't talk about it. So I
have to think he would have to have heard things. He worked there for
like, I don't know, twenty something years, and he was night shift
person, like he didn't get home till two thirty in the morning from working
there. Yeah, he'd have to have heard stuff. Yeah, absolutely,
But she's decease now, so I can't even ask him. You know,
I wish I could. I knew a park ranger that worked there that would
let us into locations that were closed off to the general public so we could
go look for stuff, look for footprints and stuff. It's just kind of
crazy. And there's even you might be familiar with this. It's a small
community, you know, not a lot of people. So they will print
the newspaper the police dispatch calls in the area because that's the big excitement.
Yeah, yeah, see who went to jail, got thrown in the drunk
take the week and you know, and there's been a couple of times whenever
calls came in from the park down there saying, you know, one guy
was walking the trails at night and got attacked by a gorilla. That's what
he reported. Some sort of gorilla attacked him, knocked him down on the
trail, and took off through the woods. Another woman was hit by something
as she came out of one of the bathrooms there in the campgrounds. She
said, all sheer members is walking out of the bathroom and the big hairy
arm knocked her down and something big took off running. I was standing there
one time whenever another group of campers came over. The park ranger that I
was talking about earlier was actually at our camp talking to us, and another
group of campers came over and reported an incident with her while we were standing
there. Now, they didn't call it a bigfoot, So I mean,
I don't know. I know what I saw, I know what other people
have told me, and it just really struck me as interesting that your incident
happened right along the same creek that so many stories come from. Well,
I what I find interesting is that I lived there until I moved away when
I was eighteen, never heard one thing. So I've heard all the stories.
Apt I mean, I didn't hear any Not one person down there ever
told me anything. Wow, And I cannot believe that because everybody knew me.
I can't believe they didn't tell me anything, not one thing. But
it's also kind of interesting that whenever you told your mom, that was the
first thing that came out over mouth. I was surprised. I mean,
what do you even say as a kid, like mom? Are you all
right? What are you talking about? No? I mean my mom.
I just I thought it was funny that she that was what she thought,
that that that's what she came up with, you know, yeah, but
my mom, my mom, she was she was a nice person. My
mom didn't not she knew I wasn't crazy. She knew I didn't make up,
you know, stories, and and I think she truly believed what she
just said to me. You know, that's probably a big foot. She
said a kid like a kid or one of their children or something. I
remember how she put it. She didn't say jeeves and I like everybody does
nowadays, right, the scientific term juvenile? Right? Yeah, so you
had that asn't it happened to you? So how did you end up?
I mean, listening to my podcast, you're you're getting ready to go on
and outing, and apparently, yes, that's how I did. Because yeah,
there's somebody that I also got in contact with because of all that activity
in the same place that you're talking about, because I heard I knew somebody
from my hometown that's over Facebook told me some stories and then I actually went
and visited with him there and he told me more stories in person and said,
hey, you know, if you wanted to, I could take you
out and you're probably gonna see something or hear something you don't have. Something
happened, probably and I wanted to, but it never we never did it.
So I just started because of my conversations with this person I started.
Not it was just recently. Really, I mean, I really didn't start
listening to anything until this is so silly, but I am not really big
into um like every technology technology thing that comes out, everybody jumps on it
and starts getting all into it. And I'm the last person. So YouTube.
I never did YouTube, I know, but hey, it might be
old, but that's that. I started doing YouTube like about i'd say a
little over a year ago. I'm serious. Okay, you were the last
one and I'm still doing it too, So I listened to YouTube while I'm
working. So anyway, I started listening to I just went in one day
and went put in Bigfoot or you know, I put in Bigfoot, and
it brought up something and which led to something else, which led to something
else, which you know, and on and on and on. So then
I came I started hearing the skytell a story, and I knew before he
even said that the name of the place. I knew exactly where he was
talking about, and I knew who he was talking about. And so I
contacted him and I said, hey, I actually I'm from there, and
I know that person. And I knew your story because I heard your story
before you even said it, before I heard it on the program on YouTube
that when you were telling it. So when I heard you start telling it,
I knew it was you. I just thought that was so funny.
So started talking to him, Well, he is the person that's going to
be doing an outing there coming up really soon March in March. First week
of March. Said well, yeah, second week of March, and I'm
gonna go how exciting your first one? Yeah? Yeah, So, I
mean, I know it's been a long time and I know there have been
changes there, so I know it's it's likely that you know, maybe there's
nothing there anymore. I don't don't know, but I'm gonna go because if
there's something there and something happens, I want to be there. I want
to hear it or see it. I said, wake me up if I
go to sleep, because I probably won't be able to go to sleep,
especially maybe the first night. But if I go to sleep and something starts
happening, I want somebody to wake me up first thing, because I want
to hear it for myself. I'm not I'm not saying I want to walk
up and you know, make friends or anything. I'm just saying I want
to witness it because I believe. I do truly believe there is there are
those creatures. I believe it. I just want to see it for myself,
and I want this time, if I do, I want to actually
see more than just an outline of hair and then hear it running. You
know. Oh, and that's something I wanted to tell you. I thought
I wonder about this. You know, I heard the wrestling, wrestling,
wrestling, and I hear I'm thinking it's a small animal or something coming up.
I didn't think of this till recently. I think I told you I
thought of this. But I wonder now because I never ever had heard stories
about them being on all fours and then and then standing up. Well,
you know how he popped up. I wonder if he was like crawling in
because he could hear the I'm sure he could hear hear the kids talking up
there. If it was you know, I'm saying, if it was a
big foot, okay, if would they would they maybe crawl in first and
then pop up the look, I mean, that's a possibility. I never
heard of about them being on all fours until I started listening to podcasts and
stuff. You know, that requires a conversation involving speculation and theory and opinion,
right, and it is all yeah, but I can tell you how
should I put it? You know, I'm all. I was worried about
watching what I say exactly because you know, I know I understand the nature
of the beast and everything whenever it comes to this subject and subjects like this.
But I'll just speak from my own experiences, which I rarely do.
But yeah, absolutely they will. They will crawl in as low to the
ground as things possibly get and get right up close to you before they ever
really revealed themselves or get into a position that might give them away. Yeah,
we've had situations where they crawled right up on the vehicles that we were
sitting in at the time. People have had them crawl in on their stomachs,
right up to camp and everything else. So it wouldn't surprise me at
all the situation that you're talking about. Specifically, it may have not known
that you and your friend were there, and it was working its way towards
the larger group of people. Belly crawling in. Yeah, because we were
being we were we were being quiet, so and still you know, it
might have been sneaking up on everybody and then kind of stood up to get
a better advantage point, and you know it scared you, And yeah,
you probably scared the crap out of it too. He probably ran home and
said, Mom, Yeah, I don't know, but I stood up and
there was a thing. It was, and the size and everything kind of
supports the idea of, like, you know, a creature that may have
not had as much experience or wisdom and being around humans and just really wanted
to see you one. Yeah, and was trying to take advantage of the
situation but got caught slipping because it's not used to sneaking up on people.
And yeah, you know, and maybe monkey woman as mama, you know,
and that's who everybody'd been saying. Who knows? Um. I think
she's probably grandma, maybe so old, the old nikey woman. Who knows.
We found tracks on that creek. I have one sitting a few feet
away from me. We found tracks. One set was, if I remember
correctly, fourteen inches long and about eight inches wide, I think, and
then another set was roughly around eleven or twelve inches and about four to six
inches wide. And then another set was seven inches long and about four inches
wide. And then the track that I have right next to me is five
inches long and about three and a half inches wide. And we found all
these tracks together. They were fresh down in that creek bed in fifty degree
weather in September. Not this past year or anything, but at the time.
So the idea of a group of humans being out there with their toddlers
and children barefoot in this creek in fifty degree weather is ridiculous in September.
Yeah, because the area that I would investigate where this creek was. The
creek eventually works its way to a lake, and this section before you get
to the lake is a public hunting area, so not a place you would
take your kids to play in the creek at by any means. Yeah,
so there's that. I never saw anything down there. That was the location
where I've heard something talking in the middle of the woods in the middle of
the night with nobody around, and I've heard quite a few stories from that
area where people did see them. It was kind of a famous area,
to be honest, in that general region because this area kind of had a
refuge for being really scary at night, and even the locals wouldn't stay the
night down there. Nobody would want to stay down there overnight, and anytime
we went down there, it just had a really creepy vibe at nighttime for
some reason compared to other places that we go at nighttime. But it was
definitely creepy at night. I didn't like being down there at night at all.
The creek was fine during the day, but once it got dark,
it kind of took on a whole new atmosphere. Well, you said you
never heard anything about bigfoot in the area, growing up there. Yeah.
Did you hear anything about the Lady of the Lake? Oh heck yeah.
Okay, Well can we talk about that because I want to hear some of
those stories, Okay, because I have spent a lot of time at that
lake looking for and I never saw her. I was there a few times.
I could too. Yeah, that was one of the ones I was
talking about that. You know, they have stories that get you to go
down and sit in a car and you know, wait to see this thing
and the next thing, you know, if you're kissing. Okay, so
Lady of Lake, this is all I know about it. I just knew
because I got told and got taken there that there was a lady that was
in a dress. I don't remember if it was a white dress. I
don't remember that part. I think it was a white dress. And she
supposedly would be walking basically walking on the water, and she glowed and she
I can't remember the exact story, but she of course drowned in the lake
somehow, I just don't remember. I don't remember the details of why she
drowned in the lake, but I think it had something to do with was
it a murder or I don't remember if it was a suicide or a murder.
But yes, the ghost, the Lady of the Lake. Yeah,
everybody knew about the Lady of the Lake. I never actually see her.
I don't know why. You know, that's a really famous ghost story from
Oklahoma. I know, like the first time I heard about it was back
in the old ghost hunting days. I read about it on a website before
I had ever been down there or knew anybody from the area or anything.
But I've never ran across anybody that saw her. No, I don't know.
I don't personally know anybody that said they saw her. That's one of
those things that I think was made up just to get you go out and
go, yeah, make out. Yeah I don't think that one was real.
But I don't know that for a fact. I don't know that it's
not real. I know I didn't see anything. But one of the things
that I do find interesting about it is people talking about hearing the Lady of
the Lake. You know, that's part of the urban legend or whatever,
and that is one of the spots we would go because of the bigfoot sightings
that people had done that. So when they said they heard the lady of
the lake. What they say they heard just like a crying roll whaling,
just the typical cry baby bridge type stuff that you know every Oklahoman knows about,
right, and every every town has that too, by the way,
don't they. Yeah, pretty much every town has a cry baby bridge.
Oh, I think we had a we had a wooly Booger. Did you
ever hear that story wooly Booger. I always thought a wooly booger was a
big foot, So no, oh, no, really, are you serious?
This is supposed the wooly Booger was supposed to be a little short thing.
My brother told me that story, my oldest brother, Wooly Booger was
supposed to be this little short Harry, think, oh, Harry, what
if it what if it was a little a little baby big foot? Because
he said that Woolly Booger was little and you go out to a certain places
and the Willie Booger would run around and chase you or whatever. I heard
that was a story, But I never thought about a baby picked foot.
Maybe that's what it's supposed to be. Maybe, so I always thought it
was just a joke. I just would laugh. So after we started talking,
we kind of veered off to the subject of the paranormal a bit.
Yeah. Yeah, and I was pleasantly surprised in some of the stories you
told me. I understand kind of being on the fence, not really knowing
if you saw a bigfoot or not. But whenever it comes to paranormal stuff,
you've got quite the history. Yeah. And I sometimes I think a
lot of things happened to me because maybe I don't know. Maybe it's because
I actually do pay attention, or is it because I really don't know.
I don't know if they're attracted to me, or if it's just that I
pay attention and so I notice and maybe somebody else doesn't notice. Maybe I
see or not necessarily see. Usually I don't see anything. Usually I might
hear something or feel something that somebody else might not hear or feel because they're
not paying attention. Maybe I don't know. But yeah, I've had a
lot of things, not a lot of big things, but a lot of
things collectively, you know what I mean. Yeah. You know, we've
talked pretty extensively about our experiences, you know, the stuff that I've experienced
in my own home growing up and everything and your stuff. Yeah, and
I agree with you that I think there's sometimes it seems like the person and
I know with me personally, I've experienced things in my own home, and
then I've experienced things in other people's homes, and it's just like, okay,
well, how much is too much? You know? Like I've had
a Bigfoot siding, I've had all these ghost experiences. I've seen something that
would technically classify as a UFO. I've seen things that I don't even have
a name for. And there, I'm going to be completely honest, there's
been times where I've thought, is it even possible? Am I just imagining
these things? Is there something wrong with me? But then you have these
experiences like you're talking about, where I'm not the only one that's experienced things
in this house, right, I'm not the only one that saw Bigfoot.
You know. People were with me that saw Bigfoot at the same time as
me. So were we all who llucinating the same thing. I mean,
that's not possible. My cousin was with me whenever I saw the UFO.
So I don't know if that's it or not. I surely it can't be
if other people are experiencing the same things. In the same locations, and
then you start thinking, well, Okay, is it is there something for
some reason why am I able to see this stuff whenever other people? Is
there's something special about me? But again, other people have experiences in the
same locations, so I don't really know what it is, and maybe it's
a combination of all the above. I don't know. It's just so weird
to me, and I know I'm rambling and going off in a tangent,
but there are a lot of similarities in people's stories that have these type of
experiences, and like you, for instance, there is a remarkable amount of
similarities between you and I. There's things that we've talked about, just mundane
items that I haven't even mentioned or pointed out, where it's like, wow,
that's almost the same as my story. That's almost the same thing that
happened to me. And I I can't help but think that all of this
stuff is somehow connected, and if there's something connected, maybe it's something that
just our science hasn't been able to measure yet. I don't know what the
connection is. But that has been my task for the past year, is
listening all these stories and talking to people about these things and going into areas
outside of Bigfoot to try and find these connections. But one of the things
you know that you mentioned is you started having experiences at a very early age
during childhood, and you're still having experiences now as an adult later in life.
Yes, I mean, you did say you were older than me,
and keep that in mind, and I'll always be older than you. But
I mean, if you don't mind sharing with the listeners, I know you've
already shared with me, but kind of take us through how all of this
started for you. I would say the first things I remember happened in a
one house that I lived in my hometown, and there wasn't much there more.
Mostly at that house, mostly it was a feeling of there's somebody,
somebody that's seen me and I can't see them. Like that was most of
what happened in that house. But a couple of little weird things, and
I know there could be other explanations, okay, other than a ghost,
but one particular thing. This is just back to the very beginning. Okay,
So in that house, I always felt like somebody was watching me,
but that was nothing was really happening. But one time my mom was sitting
on the couch and it's broad daylight. We had animals, and one of
my cats walked by and was just walking by casually and suddenly turned looked at
the couch like right next to my mother and started put bowing its back up,
and his hair came up on its back and it was kissing, you
know, like that just freaking out. My mom looked at the cat,
and I looked at the cat, and my mom looked at me, and
you know, and then the cat kissed a few times and then kind of
walked off, and my mom was like, oh my gosh. I mean,
she was sitting there right where the cat was looking and it kind of
freaked her out. She just looked at me and said like I don't know,
I don't remember exactly what she said, but like whoa. He acted
like he just saw somebody sitting next to me or something, you know,
And I'm like, yeah, And I I lived right next door to a
church and my dad was a preacher, and I would be in that church
by myself a lot because I practiced piano in there. And so this is
the parsonage is right next to the church. So the parsonage where I always
felt like somebody's watching me. Then I'd go over to the church to go
practice, and I'd take those I'd take my cats and my dogs with me,
because I didn't want to be in there by myself, and they'd be
walking around and sitting with me and everything. And one of those cats,
not the same cat, but one of my cats did that same thing,
looked up at the pulpit in the church. So the pulpit was up on
there was a little stage and just a little step up and then the pulpit.
The cat did the same thing, but it was a different cat.
Kissed boat is back kissed. It was staring up as I mean, up
into the direction as if there was a person standing behind the pulpit, which
really freaked me out because my dad was a preacher. And then I'm thinking,
I knew there were some older guys that had used to, you know,
preach at that church that were dead. And I'm thinking, oh,
my gosh, is there a dead preacher following me in here when I'm practicing
the dead preachers hanging out? Why is that so creepy? That is the
creepiest. I mean, it shouldn't be, but it is. That is
so creepy. And you know, so he's probably a very nice guy,
but I don't want a ghost preacher hanging out when I'm practicing in church.
So that's scared me. Well, but just a few things happened around that,
not anything. I never saw anything, nothing like that. Then we
moved to another house. Before we even moved in, I loved that house.
That house was awesome. It was an old house and it was two
story, and I fell in love with it, and I was The church
bought that house and we were going to move into it, and so it
needed some things done to it. It had you remember the popcorn ceiling stuff.
Do you remember that? And the sparkly popcorn ceiling stuff. It had
sparkles. Well, we believe it or not, we wanted that. So
that was in the day when that was popular. Okay, well this house
didn't have it. So they were gonna they were gonna, you know,
shoot that stuff up onto the ceiling. I was there when they were doing
part of it, and oh, that's great, this beautiful. Love it.
Yeah, So they were putting the popcorn ceiling stuff up, and they
were cleaning the house and anything that needed to be fixed a little bit.
It was old. They weren't going to like totally redo it, but everybody
was cleaning and fixing. And when we were doing those things, a couple
of things happened. We had a tornado siren go off one day and there
were a few of us at the house that I don't even remember what I
was doing. I was probably playing, but people were cleaning things, and
the siren went off and we all went into the basement, which was cool
because hardly any house, and really not that many houses in Oklahoma have a
basement. Some of the older houses do, but they because of the water
table. People don't really have basements around where I live because you know,
it's too wet. It just causes problems. But this house had one,
and everybody came running down the stairs and we went to hide while we waited
for the tornado to go through or whatever it was going to do. It
didn't go through our town. It went on the outside of town and actually
did kill some people I knew on the outside of town that particular tornado.
But when we were down in a basement, the adults were kind of gathered
in one spot and the kids were we were gathered in another spot. And
I told you this before. It's kind of funny, but there was a
big box down there that was in the shape like it could have held a
coffin. It could have held a coffin like it could have been what a
coffin got shipped in. So that's what we decided. It was was a
box that used to hold a coffin and it got shipped in that we were
sitting on that box, and we clearly the adults were talking. We clearly
heard me and a couple of my friends steps upstairs walking and it was obvious
it was on the hallway towards the kitchen well there. I didn't think there
should be anybody up there, probably, And the way I remember it,
and I don't even know if this is true because it's been too many years,
but the way I remember it is that my dad actually had locked the
doors, so there was a front door to back door. The way I
remember it is the doors were locked. I don't know if that's really true,
but that's the way I remember the story. So there shouldn't be anybody
in the house because we were all in basement. So I say, hey,
Daddy, there's somebody upstairs, and so he listened to me and said,
there's I heard steps, we heard and the kids said, yes,
we heard steps, go to the kitchen. So my dad ran upstairs go
find somebody, and he went all through the house and there was nobody there.
Well, that was just the first thing. That was no big deal.
That could have been a person, especially if the doors weren't locked,
which I remember that they were, but doesn't make it so. So anyway,
it's kind of spooky. And the next thing I remember is that a
friend of mine that was helping clean the house was she was there by herself,
and she had gone to vacuum. We had a stairway in that house
that had you'd walk up this one set the stairs, and then you turn
to your left and walk up another set, and they were all carpeted.
So she vacuumed those stairs going up, went up to the second floor and
was about to plug in and vacuum that upstairs, and she heard somebody.
There was a swinging door down at the bottom. You push open the swinging
door and then go up the steps. Well, she heard the swinging door
and she thought somebody was coming there to help clean or whatever. And she
heard somebody coming up the stairs and she waited because she knew somebody was going
to be there, you know, somebody was coming upstairs. And she waited,
and when the steps got to the top of the stairs, no one
appeared. So it freaked her out, and she thought, what do I
do? And she just her instinct told her just plugged the back and clean
her in and vacuum away and get the back out of here. So she
did. She continued to vacuum, and she wouldn't look back. She didn't
want to see it. So she vacuum, vacuum, and then she ran
down the stairs and left, and she said that freaked her out. She
wasn't going to go back in there by herself ever again. So that was
the first two things that happened. Well, then after that we moved in,
and I don't even remember when the first things happened. But and now
I'm not going to go into all the stories, but just the typical stuff
you hear people talk about, really did happen in the house. Footsteps all
the time, okay, And all I remember is the footsteps coming upstairs.
That's what I never remember them going back down. I don't know if they
did. I don't remember them ever going back down. But even my mother
witnessed that one day with me, and I saw her, you know,
she heard it too. My mom didn't want to talk about these things.
My dad was a preacher. He didn't believe in these things, and if
he did, he wouldn't go to say he did, because right, supposedly
the Bible tells you, you know, ain't so such thing as ghosts.
But then also there are stories in the Bible where there are ghosts, so
I don't get that. But anyway, he didn't believe in ghosts, and
or at least he said he didn't, and we couldn't talk to my dad
about it. But my mom heard this when I at the same time I
heard it, steps came up and there was nobody and she witnessed it with
me. That was just all the time, though I mean not all the
time, but that was often. And then another thing that was often was
you'd hear the water turn on. If I was downstairs, the water would
turn on, not downstairs, but I could hear it turn on. You
go upstairs and it wouldn't be on anymore, or if you were upstairs,
you'd hear it turn on downstairs. I never caught it on though I have
to say, so, I just we just heard it. I don't know.
I never caught the water on. That was just you know, the
things you hear. People talk about typical stuff, right, but the things
that were not so typical. And I have heard people say they heard somebody
call out their name, but I don't like that. The only time I
remember it happening to me was I was by myself in the house and I
was in the kitchen, and the kitchen had an iron ironing board that was
in the wall. You know these little skinny ones that are up in the
wall and you can pull it down out of the wall. Do you know
what I'm talking about. Okay, they're built in. Some of the old
houses had it. We had that in that kitchen and I was ironing,
and the kitchen was right by the back door, and it was nighttime,
and I heard my brother clearly heard my brother say Beth, Beth, and
like, Beth, let me in. And I said, just a second,
just a second, I'll be right there, and I took care of
the iron and then I walked over there, walked to the door. He's
not there, nobody's there. And it wasn't that far to that door either,
it was just like ten feet maybe, and I went to the door
and nobody's there. So the back of the house, if you walked out
of down those steps out of the back of that, there's like three steps.
I think it was out the back door. Our driveway was off to
the left. Like if I walked down there, I could see the driveway.
There was not a car. I walked around. There's no car there.
And my brother didn't live there at the time, so he was off
at college. But I clearly heard my brother and I looked, there's no
car. I know, of course that he could have pulled up and then
left. I mean that's physically possible. I went to the front of the
house. There's nobody there. So I just went back in the house and
just now continued. But the next time I talked to him, because he
did not show up that night. Next time I talked to him, I
said, you know this happened. Did you come to the house and then
leap No. I mean I clearly heard my brother, but my mom leader
I found out after I moved away. My mom clearly heard at different times
call out Mom to her and nobody's there, you know, not one of
us is there, and I think it seems like my sister told me that
she heard her name get called out. So it doesn't like that. I
don't. I don't like hearing somebody talking to me and you know, and
especially I thought it was my brother and it's not. There's nobody there and
it's not my brother. I didn't like that. See, this is one
of those moments that I was talking about. I don't recall you telling me
that before. I might not have told you that one, because I mean,
there's so many you know what I mean. That's that's something that's happened
here. Oh really, yeah, people did they say your name? I've
never heard it. It's never happened to me, but it happened to a
friend of mine back whenever we were in high school. I had a couple
of friends over. They were staying the night here, and one of them
went to the bathroom and the other one was in the living room and I
can't remember where I was. I was off doing something, and whenever I
came back, they were both in the living room talking about something and they're
kind of arguing or whatever, and I was like, what's going on.
Well, whenever the one went to the bathroom. The other one was staying
there and he heard someone go into the kitchen and get like open the cabinet
door, and then he claims that that other friend yelled for him to come
into the kitchen, and he got up and walked into the kitchen and nobody's
there, and he's like kind of looking around. Then my other friend comes
out of the bathroom, comes walking down the hallway, not knowing what's going
on or anything, and he thought he was, you know, like trying
to pull a prank or something. He didn't really understand what was going That's
what they were talking about in the living room. And you know, my
other friend that was in the bathroom swears up and down he went to the
bathroom. He was never in the kitchen. And then just the other day,
and by the other day, I mean yesterday. This is kind of
freaky. I didn't even think about it until you said something. So my
stepson and his girlfriend came over to visit, and I was talking to my
stepdaughter in the kitchen and my stepson's girlfriend came into the kitchen. She's like,
what do you want, what what's going on? And I was like,
you know, we're both just like looking her like what are you talking
about? And she was like, you just yelled for me. You just
yelled my name. And I was like, no, idn't. And She's
just got like this look on her face, like I'm just sitting there lying
to her face. You know this is she's not thinking yeah, and she's
just like, what do you want, Like, you just yelled my name.
And I'm like looking at my stepdaughter and she's like, no, he
didn't. Nobody said your name at all. Well somebody did, yeah,
And I didn't even think about that until now, but yeah, that's happened
to a few people here. The only thing I've ever heard is voice wise,
was, you know, just the muffled voices like a TV on in
the other room or something like that, with no TV on in the room.
I've heard that, and so have so have my so have I started
to say, my boys, but not not both my boys here at this
house. I've heard that. I've I have actually gotten up thinking that the
kids are in the living room. I mean this has been for a few
years ago. The kids are in the living room and they are too loud
because I got to go to work tomorrow and they're just talking and they got
the TV going. I can hear it, and I've gotten up and walked
out to tell them, you guys, turn that TV off. I've got
and there's nobody out there that is freaky. Yeah, that happened here.
You had a pretty creepy story about your brother. I believe that was in
the basement or his room was in the basement or something. I've got two
stories, but of one from one brother and one from the other. So
I've got I had two older brothers, and my one that was only eighteen
minuths older than me when he when he was in high school, if he
went out and partied, he would instead of going upstairs and possibly getting busted,
you know, coming upstairs making noise, he would go to sleep in
the basement. We had a mattress down there because we had kept it down
there for the tornado situation because we need to sleep in the basement or something,
and he would sleep down there sometimes. And one Saturday morning he woke
me up and he said, did you come in the basement last night?
And I said no, And then he went and woke my little brother up
and asked him. He said, no, no, I didn't and so
we're like why, and he said that in the middle of the night he
woke up, he felt something. He woke up and he knew somebody was
in the bed with him, and for whatever reason, he had a creepy
feeling from the you know, from the very beginning. Instead of immediately thinking
that maybe it was one of us or whatever, he was creeped out.
And he reached over with his hand and he felt an arm, and he
said it was very very skinny like that. All he could think was had
to be one of us, very very thin arm, and it just he
didn't feel in his heart like it was one of us, and it scared
him so bad. Once he felt the arm, he laid there and like
we were talking about he earlier when we were discussing different things, he pretended
like he was asleep and he could not sleep, and he was so creeped
out because he knew there was something not right next to him in the bed.
He knew it wasn't us. But the next morning, when the sun
came up, and the sun finally came up, he got brave enough to
jump up and there was nobody there. And then that's when he ran up
and asked us, and he was hoping we'd say yes, but he didn't.
Yeah that that Yeah, that creeped me out. Then my oldest brother
he would when he would come home from college, he'd sleep down in that
basement. And I didn't hear this story until of Okay, this is kind
of weird. But after everything in the house, I had nothing else was
happening, So there was a there was a dry period. I hadn't heard
a noise, hadn't had anything creepy happened. I kind of got brave enough
to talk about it because I used to think that if you talked about it
out loud, it would know this is so weird, even if I wasn't
at the house. I don't think it is, though, because that sort
of thing happens a lot, and people tend to write it off as well,
it's just your mind playing tricks on me because you're you know, you're
spooking yourself or whatever. But that stuff really does happen whenever you start talking
about it, or you're watching a scary movie and you got that kind of
atmosphere going on something about it. I don't know if it's the energy or
what, but it happens way too often to too many people for it just
all to be figments of the imagination in my opinion. Well, I tid
did not to talk about it out loud because I was afraid that if it
heard me, even if I wasn't at the house, if it heard me
say it say it followed me or whatever. I didn't know. If it
heard me, what if it wanted to scare me, then it would know
that I knew, and it would you know. Oh, I don't even
know how to explain it. So I wouldn't talk about it. I didn't
tell people much of anything. But one night, my two brothers and I
were all in the same car. I don't remember where we come from,
but my oldest brother was driving us to the house and I brought it up.
I got brave and brought it up, and I just said, have
you noticed, like did Okay? First of all, do you guys think
the house is haunted? And then they had just started telling me stories.
Okay, Now I already knew Mark had that experience. My middle brother,
I knew he had that experience with the armed thing because he told us.
But we really didn't discuss us things much other than that, except if we
were in the same room and that if we heard the steps, you know,
the footsteps coming up the stairs. You can't really deny that one.
I mean, you both heard it. You were there, but we didn't
really talk about things. So I said, did you notice that? So
you do think? So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had things
happen to me. Have you noticed nothing else, nothing's been happening lately,
Because that's the way it feels to me. And I was afraid to say
the words out loud because if I said that out loud, what if it
heard that and then it says, oh, well, I can I can
do something about that. I can fix that problem right now. So my
oldest brother told me that, oh yeah, it's oh i've he said,
I've known for a long time because as a matter of fact, he used
to hang out in that house before it was our house, because his best
friend's family lived in that house before us. Okay, so he started telling
me stories about before. I mean, I didn't he'd never told me any
of that stuff, but he started telling me stories that happened even when he
was just hanging out there with the friend. But he said, yeah,
he said, this is the worst thing that happened to me. And he
said, in the basement, I was asleep, and I always felt like
somebody was watching me. But I woke up and there was a stairway,
you know, down into the basement, and the stairway that went down to
the basement. His bed was like pretty close to that, and he woke
up and he said there was a figure standing there by the staircase at the
bottom by the bed, not a few feet from the bed, but he
could see he could see it from the bed, and it was there was
a figure standing there, and he said it was glowing kind of a greenish
color, and that it was a woman, and she had a bonnet on
her head, and she had a long dress like from the eight hundreds,
and she was facing him, but she didn't have a face. He said,
it was just a blur. The face was a blur, but he
could see the blondet and he could see her dress, and she glowed and
she looked like she was she must be staring at him because she was facing
him. And he freaked out. As soon as he realized he was seeing
this, he freaked out and was He said, I don't even remember exactly
what I was saying, But I was saying, go away, why why
are you bothering? Why are you here? You need to go away,
leave me alone? Why are you doing this? Or something like that,
and she just disappeared. Well, then, as we talked about this,
I asked him, well, when did that happen? And he told me,
and I realized if it seemed like that was about the same time when
everything quit. You know that I hadn't noticed anything in a while. So
but but I don't, I in my heart, because of the things I
had happened to me, I don't I think it was just her there.
If it was just her, why would everything quit? I don't know.
But I don't think it was just her there. I don't think she was
the one calling out in my brother's voice. And I don't think it was
her. Well, I haven't even told this story. I told you there
was a situation in my bedroom where I was going to bed, and I
turned the light out and got into bed. And as soon as I got
in bed, I had this bookcase across the room from my bed that had
all my knickknacks on my prized possessions, and I could hear something moving around.
It sounded like moving on the bookcase, like like I'm gonna make a
noise? Can you hear that? Like this? Like a yeah, moving
around on the bookcase. And I, of course, I'd already had many
things happened, so I was already freaked out just here and that. And
it kept on moving around. It wasn't continuous, but it would do it
ever so often. So I jumped up and ran and told my mom.
My mom was in the room close to me on the second floor watching TV.
I said, there's something in my room. She said, what do
you mean? I said, well, and I told her. I said,
I keep hearing something. There's something moving things around in my bookcase.
I mean, how do you tell it? What do you say? I
think? I mean, I don't know what. I just told her,
I heard things moving on my bookcase. Well, what do you what do
you mean? Well, there's something in my room, mom, you know.
So she came in there, she looked around. I don't see anything.
Everything's cool. Must she said, it must be a mouse. Okay,
all right, it's a mouse. So then she left went back into
the den, and it started happening again, and I jumped up again.
I'm like, there is something in there, moving things on my bookcase.
She came back in there, she looked around again. Then she looks in
my closet to see if she can see the mouse. And there's nothing,
of course, and she says, I don't you know, I don't know
it's I'm sure it's nothing, but you know, you just need to go
to bed. So she left. So I turned out the light again and
got in the bed and pulled the covers up. And you know, I'm
getting afraid by this time, because I heard it. She didn't hear it.
She didn't hear it at all, because it wasn't doing it when she
was in there. But I heard it. So I pulled the covers up
to my face and I shut my eyes, and then I heard this noise
down at the bottom of my bed spread. I swear it sounded just like
what if somebody took their finger nails, maybe a couple of finger nails.
I mean, this is what I saw in my head hearing it. Was
like your index finger and your middle finger and scrape up up the bedspread.
Scrape scraped up slowly like it was trying to scare me. Scranked all the
way up to like right under my chin almost, and I just thought,
oh my god, who. I just thought, I can't let it know
that I hear it. I can't let it know that I hear it.
I can't. I just kept my eyes closed. I tried to be as
still as I could, but my heart was beating so hard. I'm getting
nervous even talking about it right now. It's making my it's making me like
get tight my chest thinking about it. My heart was beating so hard.
I could, I could. I could hear it my ears, for sure,
I could. I felt like I could hear it in my chest.
It was beaten so hard. And then it just graped slowly, that damn
slowly. I just kept my eyes closed, and I just thought, I
just can't let it know that I hear it. I can't let it know.
And this is the weirdest thing. And I told you this. I
can't even believe it happened. Somehow, I fell asleep. I don't even
know how. How can you go to sleep with something so scary is happening?
But I did. I mean, emotions can exhaust a person. It
could be some sort of defense mechanism. It could be shocked, It could
be a lot of things. I felt asleep. You and I have talked
about it like that. That was basically my reaction as well whenever I was
a kid was do everything you can to fall asleep. My whole reasoning was
the center. I fall asleep, the center, it will be morning and
this will be over. And that is true. But I don't know how
I did it, but I did it. I can't. I was always
more afraid to get out of the bed than to stay in the bed with
whatever was going on. Sometimes there was a few cases where I just got
too frightened and I had to abandon ship. But usually the idea of letting
it know, you know that I was aware of it, or what would
happen if I did take off running or jump up and try to turn the
white on was going to be way worse than whatever was actually happening. Yeah,
and I didn't want to open my eyes and see something either. Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah, that was also a big one. You had an
incident where you felt like something got in your bed too, didn't you.
Yes, that was the worst thing. Okay, that was at that house.
And when I say worst, nothing happened to me, I mean,
but it scared me so bad that all this, all this accumulatively scared me
so bad that I was traumatized all the way into my adulthood. Just a
few years ago, well several now, but I was traumatized by this,
and nothing bad happened to me. It wasn't evil, you know what I
mean, but like demonic stuff happened. But it scared me so bad that
I was so traumatized that this was the worst I was. It was a
Saturday. I will never forget it. It was a Saturday. My mom
always cooked breakfast on Saturdays. And I was laying in my bed and I
was on the second floor, and I had this bedroom that had these huge
This house was pretty old. It had these huge windows across. I had
the best room in the whole house because I had one, two, three,
three big windows. And then and then the corner of the house turned
and I had a like a half window. But they were very tall,
so I had plants in my windows. I had these wind shines hanging the
windows. And we didn't have any air conditioning. Now, my dad and
my mom had window unit in their bedrooms, so they had a condition but
I didn't. So my windows were always open when it was hot. You
know, and so I loved that room. Anyway, I was laying there
and I was just slicking out the windows because there was a tree right outside
my windows, and I was watching birds. They were, you know,
gathering in the tree and I could hear them singing and everything. So I
was just laying there and being lazy, and my mom was cooking and I
could smell it, you know, I could smell bacon. So I'm just
laying there kind of waiting for my mom to cook the breakfast. And I
was just laying around and I was and I was turned towards the window,
like on my side, on the right side, turned towards the window,
and I felt somebody getting on the bed. And it was not a surprise
eyes to me, you know, it didn't shot me or anything, because
my little brother would if he knew I was awake and he woke up,
he'd come in my room and come get on the bed with me and just
sang out until we got up, you know. And so I'm thinking it's
him now, you know, I'm not thinking a thing. Bed moves nothing.
And then it felt like he got back up out of the bed,
and then I felt him get back on the bed and then got up out
of bed, and I turned and I was turning over, and as I
was turning, I was talking. I was going to say something like I
was saying, or are you getting in or not? Or you know something
I don't know. I turned and I turned over, and when I turned
over, I could see a little boy there, but it wasn't my brother,
and he was smaller than my brother. I looked right at him.
He was wearing a white tshirt blue jeans cut offs, which was pretty popular
back in those days. We all did that. We wore shorts that were
blue jeans cut off. And he had a bird blonde berr haircut. And
I couldn't tell. Now, this is the part that this is why I
can't promise I saw a ghost. I was very nearsighted, and I didn't
have any glasses on it, and I didn't have any contacts in. But
I don't know what I would have looked at. It looked like a little
boy wearing a white tshirt and blue jeans cutoffs, but I couldn't see his
face clearly, and which I because I didn't have clear eyesight, I was
nearsighted. I couldn't see his face clearly, it looked to me like he
was looking out the window. I couldn't tell if he's looking at me or
looking out the window. But because I was so nearsighted, I over the
years I've talked myself out of believing Yeah, I saw that, but I
saw it. So I saw it at the moment I saw it, because
I wasn't talking myself out of it. Well, when I saw him,
I only looked for like two seconds, and then it freaked me out.
So because I knew for some reason, I knew he wasn't, you know,
there like he wasn't a boy, he wasn't a flesh and blood boy.
I turned over back over to the other side, thought about it,
thought about it, thought about it, and I had the cover pulled up
because I yanked the cover up to me. I'm thinking about what do I
do? What do I do? What do I do? And then I
fucking getting back on the bed. I felt somebody getting back on the bed,
and you know, if he had the cover over you, and it's
like, so you got the cover pulled under your chin, and you if
somebody was to have leaned over you and their arm went across you and was
tightening the blanket around you because they had their being pressed. Yeah, you
know what I'm talking about. Can you imagine? Okay, that's what I
felt. The blanket went tight across me, like somebody had leaned over me
and was their hand was pressing the cover down. Oh I I just went
saying, and I jumped up, and when I jumped up that I didn't
feel anything. Okay, I didn't feel It wasn't like I felt me push
a body off me or anything. But and I jumped up and ran downstairs.
And I can't even really remember going downstairs. I mean, I remember
jumping up, and I know I went downstairs. I don't remember myself going
down mister, don't remember like running or anything, but I did. And
I ran into the kitchen, and I do remember stopping at the kitchen door
where my mom was in there cooking, and she said, what do you
what's wrong? And I didn't know what to say, you know, because
it was so it was so tabboo to talk about ghosts. And not that
my mom didn't believe in ghosts, because I know she did, she told
me later, but because my dad was preacher, it was tabboo, I
said, And I told her. I just told her what happened. And
I mean, I didn't have it doubt. I had no doubt that I
was asleep dreaming and then dreamed this. But she said, you had to
be dreaming. You must not have been awake. You know, it is
like it's still morning, you were still in bed. I said, no,
Mom, I was not dreaming. I was. I was wide away,
Mom, I was wide awake. And I told her I was looking
up the window watching birds. I was a wake up. You were cooking,
I was snowing bacon. I'm just relaxing. I was not asleep.
This was not a dream. I knew for a fact I was not dreaming.
But you know, because she told me that, you know, that
was when I was like, I think it was about thirteen or fourteen,
because she told me that. Over the years, over the years, I've
wondered what was she right? Was she right? You know? Was I
asleep? No? I could I could tell you for a fact I was
not. I don't know what that's about either. And I know that's self
preservation too. That's like, yeah, it's much easier to deal with that,
you know, it's easier to deal with that than the reality of what
it was. Because those years go by, you can you can talk yourself
out of anything, really, I think, or at least half way.
I mean, I continue to do it. I do it all the time.
Yeah, I mean over the years, I can say, well,
that was so long ago, how do I really know? I was so
young whatever. But at the moment, no, there was nobody going to
tell me that I was asleep. I knew I wasn't asleep. Oh so
that was that traumatized me. And you know, then again, nothing bad
happened. It wasn't bad. It just wasn't supposed to be happening. You
know. That's what it is. It's not you're not supposed to Half these
things happen in your house, in your room. That's the same filling in
bigfoot encounters. You know, this thing isn't supposed to be here, it's
not supposed to exist. But whether it's bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs, whatever,
so many people are seeing the same things, they're talking about the same
things. And I think the more we talk about it, the more it
helps. And maybe through all these conversations eventually will start understanding some of it,
or maybe not, who knows. I don't know about the understanding,
but in talking with other people, and there are other things you can do
besides talk to people, which I did, which is go out and explore
it, even though it scares the crap out of you. Explore it when
you when you open up and just say, hey, you know, this
stuff really is happening. I believe it's really happening. I'm gonna go ahead.
I'm just gonna immerse myself. I'm just gonna let it happen. You
get to where you find out that I don't know about. I mean,
I'm sure there's some people that have had some horrible things happened to them,
but not me. It wasn't horrible. It just felt horrible to me.
If you just kind of open up and say, hey, it's just those
are just people. Those ghosts are just people. There are people that are
no longer in their body, but there's still people. And most people are
probably not terrible people. I mean, some people are, and they're probably
terrible ghosts also because they were terrible people. I don't know. When you
die, maybe you get suddenly changed into a good being. I don't know,
but I've probably there are some pretty bad ghosts too. But most of
them are probably just normal people and they died and they don't know why.
A lot of them might not know why they are where they are and that
they're dead, or maybe they do know and maybe they don't want to go
anywhere because they love it whatever. They're just people. If you can see
it like that, it helps a lot. And I finally got to where
I could see it like that, you know, yeah, just a few
years ago. So now when things happen, it's it doesn't do it doesn't
affect me the way it did, And I'm so glad. I'm so glad
I don't get traumatized by a person who just doesn't happen to be in their
body anymore, you know. I mean I kind of feel sorry for them
in a way. Why are you hanging around here? You know? I'm
sure there's lots of better places to be than here. Yeah. I've definitely
heard some horror stories, but I've never experienced anything where I was hurt or
nothing was broken or anything. Just real scary, just really really scary as
all. Yeah, can I tell one short one? You can the floor.
This is my most important one to me because it happened two years ago
in this house two years ago last October. You want to talk about the
smiling man, don't you. Yes, I didn't know if you wanted to
bring that up or not. I do because he because I like him.
I mean that I don't. That's what I'm talking about. He didn't scare
me. If it had happened years ago, he would have scared the crap
out of it, even if he did smile, just because he's a ghost.
So I was wide away. I will not make it into a long
drawn out one. I was wide awake watching TV with my boyfriend. Were
sitting on the couch and it was a nice and we had the lights out.
I don't even remember what we were watching, because now you know,
once this happened, who cared what I was watching. But it wasn't something
something scary. So it wasn't like I was in a mood for a ghost
or anything like that, or you know, I didn't have myself psyched up
for that. But you know, how you can see something move. I
have really good peripheral vision. I think I can see things off to the
side really well. I saw something move I thought I did. I mean
it just kind of I saw it. I didn't think about it. I
just saw something move turned my head to the left and I saw something,
and I went I just looked at it again, and it was what I
thought I saw. I saw a face looking right back at me. I
didn't even make a noise. My boyfriend's still sitting over here watching TV.
I didn't even make a noise. I just looked at it, looked looked
again, and there was a guy looking at me. And he wasn't glowing.
Okay, so you hear glowing Like my brother said, he saw this
glowing green woman. He was not glowing, but he wasn't quite he I
could see through him a little bit. But at the moment, I didn't
even think of that. All I looked at was I looked at his face.
He's looking right back at me, and it only lasted for life this
long. So I look two. Three he kind of smiled a little bit,
just a little bit, just a little bit. Four he started walking.
He took a couple of steps to my left, and there was an
opening between my couch on the left that went into the dining room and into
the kitchen. There's no wall behind my couch. He walked past me.
I turned and looked around behind me, and I'm doing it right now because
I've seen it. I'm seeing it right now. I turned it, looked,
and he was not there anymore. I turned back, and I think
I must turned and looked over my shoulder. I don't know how many times,
several times I looked again to see if I could see him again.
He was not there. I turned back, So I'm thinking, Okay,
he's gone, but at least I can't see him. I'm sitting there.
My boyfriend's still sitting there watching TV. He didn't even notice me turning or
anything. Just an oblivious man. Yes, And I was thinking, I've
got to tell him. I've got to tell him. I've got to tell
him this because I haven't seen anything since that little boy at my house when
I was a little kid, you know, when I was young, thirteen
or whatever. I'm thinking, i gotta tell him. I've got to tell
him. I've got to tell him this. But if I tell him,
he's just gonna have that blank look on his face, like uh huh.
Yes, but he never has read to me about it. He listens to
me, but he doesn't really make comments. Okay, So I knew he
was going to do that, and I knew it was gonna kiss me off.
But I turned and looked at him and I said, I've got to
tell you something, and he looked at me. What I said, I
just saw something. I just I just saw I just saw a ghost.
And he just looked at me. And I just started crying because I knew
you were gonna do that, and he's just looking at me, like,
what what did I do? I knew you were gonna look at me like
that. But I'm telling you, I'm just I'm telling you I just saw
something so so amazing and you're just looking at me. But it really did
happen. I saw a ghost. So then I tell him all about it.
And then I realized that ghost kind of looked like him, a little
bit not like him, and it wasn't like exactly like him. I said,
you know what, as a matter of fact, he kind of looked
like you. And then I thought, well, of course a ghost shows
up. I see a ghost and it's not even anybody coming to see me.
He's probably coming to see him because it's probably one of his relatives.
I'm thinking that just that really is that's not even fair. If I'm going
to see the ghosts, it should be somebody coming to see me. But
I told him, he, you know, he actually could like be your
brother or something. And he didn't have a brother, but he kind of
looked like him. So you know, once you see a ghost, I
mean, I mean, and I saw him clear. I mean he was
he was kind of see through, but I could see him. It was
no imagination, It wasn't a maybe thing. He was there. He looked
right at me. And once you see one, it's just you can't quit
talking about it. Like, I don't know, I couldn't, like ever,
so often I'd bring it up again. So one day I brought it
up again. We were dripping. We were coming home from grocery shopping or
whatever, I don't remember. We'd been to Lows, I know that,
and because we had some stuff, we had to take the backyard. So
we were talking about it and I said, and I'm discussing what he looked
like. And I said, you know what, as a matter of fact,
and we start walking in the house, I said, he looked he
looked a lot like you look in this picture in here, this one on
the wall. And I walked around and showed him the picture. It was
when he was a teenager, him and his friend and his two sisters.
They put on this outfits you put on like you go to the state fair
and you can put all on these like cowboy outfits or whatever and you get
to picture your picture. So they were all dressed up like saloon she The
girls looked like saloon girls. They they had guns and hats and stuff,
and they were cow kind of like Butch Cassian Sundance kid is what they look
like. So we got this picture on the wall there and said like that
that's what he looked like. A lot like that, but not exactly,
but a lot like that right there. Then we walked out in the backyard
and we went took our lows products out to the backyard, and we went
all the way to the back of the yard and put the products down where
I was going to use them. And something crashed and we both heard this
crash, and it came from the direction of the house, but I couldn't
tell if it was I thought it was outside the house. At first,
I still had the sliding glass door opened there, so I looked around it
and there was nothing outside. I didn't see anything that could have fallen or
anything. So I walked into the through the back sliding glass door, and
that picture that I had just pointed out before we went outside was laying on
the floor, so it had fallen off the wall was laying on the floor,
and it was I'm not gonna say, it looked like somebody threw it.
You know, you hear stories, Oh it's they threw it five feet
away, but it was like it was on the floor a couple of feet
away or so. I picked it up and I examined it, and it
was not broke. I mean, it was glass with glass and everything,
and it wasn't broken. And I looked at it and the back the thing
that you hang on the nail was still there. And I looked up at
the wall and the nail was still in the wall, and that I felt
the nail and the nail was secure. It wasn't wobbly or anything. So
I just picked it up and i'd looked, you know, I looked at
all that, and I looked at my boyfriend. He looked at me,
and he looked at that picture and we just looked at each other for a
second, and you know, I just pointed that picture around so I just
hung it back on the wall. We kind of looked at each other and
walked back out into the backyard, and we discussed that about a hundred times
since then. But that's my story. Well, Beth, I appreciate it.
Many conversations to come. I'm afraid and one more, one more.
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