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This. It is to two seventeen
Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Yeah,

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it's hard right now. It's tough, it sucks. You want to crawl

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a hole and die. But this
could be the best thing that's ever happened

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to you. Justin Burke, Then
we actually take better care of her than

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our plants or you're talking about Susan. You're back on that. Yeah,

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and Mitchell old Brian, I watered
all of the plants, all of them.

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It is the eighteenth of March twenty
twenty four. My name's Cory Winfield,

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and this is the two seventeen Recovery
podcast. Justin Burke in the North

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studio. How are you fabulous?
Mitchell ob Oh, Mitch isn't here.

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Yeah, ms is coming though.
That's why I did the whole Mitchell O'Brien

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thing. But the special guest,
though, is not that you're not special,

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Justin. I'm glad that you hear
today. But a very special guest

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joining us on the phone is Patrick
Jones. Patrick, how are you.

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Yeah, I'm doing amazing. Yeah, thanks for having me on. I'm

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looking forward to converciation with you.
Yes, and we talked last week.

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We'll just make it fair to everybody
listening and did a podcast yesterday. I

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was talking to Marny about it,
and you send me a message because you

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have a website, And first of
all, you're a person in recovery,

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right you identify like that, you
know, I don't. I actually identify

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myself as a free man. Ah, here we go, which is a

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different take on it, really,
but it's a right away, right,

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Well, thanks for calling it.
No, just joking, No, but

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that's that's a different way to think
about it. But others could call it.

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I mean, other people can call
you whatever they want to call you.

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You know, that's their business.
But yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, but you changed
your life. Yeah yeah, and recovery

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was part of that journey, I
will say absolutely part of it. That's

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what I That's what I wanted was
to recover, Like that was my only

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mindset, was there? Right,
So that is an absolute part of the

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process for anyone out there that's looking
looking to recover. That is the first

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step. So you were just sitting
on the couch, just lost your job

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as a paper boy, like,
like, what happened? What made you

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decide? All right? And I
got a change, and I think there

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was some medical stuff with you as
well. But we'll get into whatever you

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want to. But what made you
decide, Okay, I need to change

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some things. Yeah, that's a
good question. So just for context purposes,

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Frank, when this listening, I
for fifteen years I battled with multiple

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addictions. There wasn't just there wasn't
just one that spiraled. It was multiple

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sprout at the time. So when
I stopped one, I would I would

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go to another one. The main
core was food. I was a food

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addict. I used food to numb
myself. Whenever I didn't want to feel

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something, whether it was my kids, whether it's with stress or work,

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I immediately went to the only thing
that I knew that would comfort me,

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which was food multiple times a day, three to five times a day.

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And I found a way to relieve
that through bolidia actually, so that I

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didn't have to feel like guilt anymore. And then all of a sudden,

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it was like, oh my god, I don't have a problem anymore because

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I feel good. So I reset
myself by doing that. But to answer

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your question, there was a fifteen
year battle really from two thousand and twenty

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fifteen, and it was a battle
of my mind it was my mind that

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was telling me that, you know, you're a crappy dad, You're not

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good enough. But I really what
was going on it was that I'm not

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enough. Like there was this driving
narrative that I'm bad, I'm not good,

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I'm not enough, and that context, that mind narrative played every day

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that kept me into self sabotage behavior. And it wasn't until two thousand and

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fifteen after I was thrown in treatment
centers and we talked about this a little

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bit, but I was thrown in
multiple different labels and identities that I said,

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I am this, I am this, psychiatric disorders, all these things

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that in my gut I knew I
wasn't. In my heart, I wasn't.

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I wasn't born this way. But
like I couldn't figure out a way

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out. And so it wasn't until
twenty fifteen that I was diagnosed legally blind

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and I was working still coaching.
I've been coaching twenty years all but the

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types of coaching and training with people
in different levels, and I was coaching

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at the time I was working for
as a sports trainer and as a health

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coach, and I could no longer
see over six months, my eyes deteriorated.

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Even with corrective contacts and also with
glasses, I no longer could see

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to the point where there was a
moment I was in denial that there was

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a problem in my eyes. And
I remember I was driving home one night,

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and I remember I saw the cross
rock and I thought to myself,

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just speed and go past it.
And all of a sudden, I went

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past it this one night, and
in that moment I almost hit somebody and

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my At that moment, I felt
like wow, like I must have a

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freaking problem. I need to get
some help. So I was diagnosed with

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this it disease called catconis. Couldn't
see anymore, got depressed again, went

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on my couch. I sat there. My twins were just born a year

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before, and in that moment,
I like this light bulb hit me.

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I woke up because I couldn't wake
up. My twins woke me up,

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but they said to me, you
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just starting to talk. I remember, and I just felt this like emotional

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wave of like God, I need
to do something different, Like I'm tired

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of this relapsed recovery. One day's
good, one day's bad, Like fifteen

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years of this, and in that
moment, I realized that the attractive option

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of a life beyond this hourmoile this
exhausting life I created for myself of hiding

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a secrecy, of lying, of
nobody knowing, living a double life.

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I was so tired of the pain
of not one to be there anymore.

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Was pushing me to a desire and
the attractiveness of what I truly wanted,

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like beyond addiction. So I started
getting in touch with what I wanted.

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I switched my focus in that moment. I wanted a life where I felt

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free. I wanted a life where
I had abundance and alaris of life.

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I wanted to be connected to myself. I was running for myself. I

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wanted to be connected to my kids. I didn't know how. No one

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ever taught me. It wasn't trained
or anything. But the problem was I

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couldn't deal with me and my emotions. I didn't know how I was going

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to free myself, but I knew
I was on a journey. So that

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moment I finally advocated for myself for
the first time ever in my life.

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I was thrown into programs, hundreds
of twelve step meetings, this and that

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it all perpetuated the cycle and made
it worse. This was the first time

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in twenty fifteen I said I'm going
to find a way to heal, and

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I declared it, and I went
on this seven year journey of opening up

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new levels of health, new levels
of freedom that I had to uncover through

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ups and downs and figure out the
path. It took me a good seven

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years to really go through this.
You know this dark, you know pit

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going to the dark to find the
light. It was quite the journey for

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myself. So on the timeline,
and I know you said it was a

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seven year journey, but on your
website you talk about seven summits of freedom.

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Were you tackling these one at a
time each year or was it just

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seven just is a good number that
just happens. Yeah, so so much

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of freedom are what I what Basically, over the last couple of years,

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I have looked back at my journey
of healing, breaking free, of rewiring,

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ryding, the patterns of my mindset, how I did it, the

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somatic healing I did, the movement
to breastwork, the buy or how I

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did it, how I healed some
trauma from my past. I look back

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at how did I actually create abundance
in every part of my life when I

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was in scarcity at one point living
in my car, I broke it.

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I couldn't afford anything, like,
how did I do it? And I

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unlocked? What I realized is I
unlocked different levels of freedom. I got

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accessed to create power, certainty and
an action in different parts of my life

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and ultimately freedom. And this is
without by the way, dependency, rehabs,

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twelve steps or therapy right and along
the way, I hired mentors and

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coaches, I went in programs,
I went in transformational training programs. I

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went on spiritual journeys. I hired
stealers. I did, I did absolutely

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can everything you can imagine to like
unlock more levels of what I was just

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a journey of what's next? Okay, I'm here in my life? How

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do I get here? Okay,
I'm here? My relationships suck, like,

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my kids don't like they don't like
their dad. So how do I

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actually you know, connect with my
children? Right? And so I unlock

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these levels of freedom? So these
seven levels of freedom I just discovered,

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not in order, not in order. So what I've done was as I've

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been working with men over the last
few years with helping them liberate them from

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addiction, really a transformative journey to
liberate themselves from addiction, not just from

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addiction, but liberate and create freedom
in their body, create freedom in their

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mindset, create freedom and their emotions
and create emotional fluidity, create freedom inside

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the relationships, create freedom in every
part of your life right and rebuilding their

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entire identity. And that's really really
a crucial step, especially after you come

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out of addiction or any kind of
addictive patterns, of destructive patterns, you

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are stuck in. The question becomes
who am I? What's my purpose?

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What are my core values? How
am I going to operate in the world?

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So all these things is what a
man when I work with them,

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they go through this process of death
and rebirth to rediscover who they are,

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to really just step into surrendering into
who they be and how they operate in

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the world and how they can create
that abundance. So these seven levels are

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just a way for a man to
peak at different levels of freedom. And

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so that's what they go through in
a six month process in my programs particularly

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so rather than just taking seven years
like it took me, I could take

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a man through these different different peaks
in a very much for a period of

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time. And how do you do
that for people who you know because you

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live in Connecticut? Yes, so
how do you do the program? Like

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save a man justin here is like, man, we want to do this,

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like sign us up? What do
we do? And how does that

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offered to us? You know,
if we want to change our lives,

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like if we want to turn it
around? Good question. So here's the

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thing. Most people are not a
good fit for this. And I say

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this because there's a there's a like
go back to my story. Right.

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It took me fifteen years to finally
say I'm ready. Right, I had

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to make the choice I'm ready to
reclaim my not just control over the addictive

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patterns, but my life. Right, because it's it's a it's a it's

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a commitment, right, it's a
commitment to rise. It's a commitment that

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you want more out of life.
And so for me, you know,

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it's a very intimate process, Like
I'm working with the man directly, and

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I'm giving him the weapons and the
tools to liberate himself. Right, So

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I need to make sure he's ready, right, And so I personally talk

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to every person that I work with, every man, because he needs to

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be ready. Because that process of
rediscovering who you are is scary. Right

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when you let go of the ego
that wants to be right, that wants

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to be in control, that wants
to look good, and you uncover and

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you become vulnerable. Right when you
when you look at to your emotions and

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repattern them somatically that it come up
like that takes vulnerability, that takes courage.

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And so there's a big part of
that process. And we're working with

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somebody. But listen, man,
like anybody, anybody that's ready, truly

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ready to heal to move past this
and create abundance in all airs of life.

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It's possible. And I will say
it could be done anywhere. We've

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done anywhere. It's it's an online
program particularly, so it doesn't matter where

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you are in the world. It
could be done just as long as you're

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willing to do the work right.
So you have like zoom meetings in the

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good question. The way that it's
structured, there's a there's an accountability piece

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to it. There's a piece to
it where you're in a teen unit,

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where you're you have team units together. You're also on weekly zooms as well

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with myself when we go through the
whole seventh summits and specific content that gets

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stripped out to the person and what
I call missions. So each week there's

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a different mission that awakens a new
possibility in a man. So they go

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through a bit of a like a
like a death process and then a rebirth

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process every week by awakening something in
himself internally to actually create a shift in

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in that specific area. And so
each week is a mission. They go

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through that mission and something awakens within
and there's all there's already a new sense

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of freedom that happens. So with
that with the curriculum and also with the

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group, a team unit held accountable, and then there's also group meetings as

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well with the entire group. I'm
im justin right now and I'm just looking

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at him like, yeah, have
you and this is something we kind of

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talked about last week. Have you
ever had yeah, companies reach out and

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say, hey, man, we
got a whole team of people and maybe

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some of them aren't a good fit. You know, maybe someone will drop

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out, but you know, like
this is something that I think would be

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great for us. Guys here at
two seventeen recovery because we've made a huge

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change in our lives. I think
Mitch has three years clean, you have

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four. I got five. You
know. It's like, okay, so

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we made a commitment to change our
lives a little bit. But justin went

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through a relationship issue a year ago, kind of getting a couple of pounds,

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you know, maybe you'd turn to
food. I don't know. I

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know I turned to sugar, you
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things, you know. There's other
parts of our lives that we want to

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be better at. There's things we
want to achieve, Like I want to

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make a movie one day, and
I'm learning how to write a script right

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now, you know, and like
those are the actions, and those are

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some of the things that I'm working
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would even help me even further,
just be more mindful of those days where

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I could be reading more about script
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idea, like if there's things I
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don't, And I think this would
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that a good I love what you
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here's what I know to be true, and I think you and I talked

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about this. What gets let me
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to be true. Is that people
get stuck in three areas. They either

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get stuck because they don't know what
they want right and they don't move forward,

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or they get stuck because they don't
know where they are right. They

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don't know where they are, so
they can't get clear and what they want

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because they don't know who they are, or they know what they want,

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they know exactly where they are and
they are not in denial and they were

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very clear, but they but they
don't know how to get there right,

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They're not to get there. And
then there's a fourth Something stops them to

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get there. Something gets in the
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the result. Because most people know
what to do, most people know what

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they want right, But what happens
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to do to get there. They
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because their commitment, their commitment is
like a level two action, yet they

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have a level ten. I want
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write a documentary, I want to
blah blah blah, Right, but it's

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it's at a two or three.
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all resistance, because if you're not

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where you want to go, you're
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resistance to what is right. And
all resistance is rooted in some beliefs.

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You're in some conflict with some belief
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internally inside of our narratives, insteade
of our mind. So we can we

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can reprogram that in the moment right
now, right, we can shift,

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change the narrative, change the story, change the action, and even learn

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something from that. And we have
a tool that we use with our guys

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that actually let them, at the
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in the moment to actually shift the
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feelings behind that, and step into
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what gets a man out of,
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answer to answer your question, all
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hold the accountable and do you think
being a part of the team. Obviously

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you think that because this is how
you do it, But being that team

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kind of keeps people together and not
really that. I'm gonna like say,

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if you know, we sign up
for this and hopefully we can do this.

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But you know, I'm not gonna
bust Justin's balls all the time,

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you know, but if he walks
by, if he's like, hey,

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I want to lose weight by this, you could You could do that too.

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It comes in with a box of
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what are you doing? Bro?
Like your your actions aren't matching up

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with what your mouth was saying,
you know, like like I think that

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would be so good. So so
Quail, let me say something. So,

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it's not your job the whole accountable. In fact, my programs,

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it's about self accountability. If someone
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they're going to fail because they're looking
outside, something outside of them to save

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them. Right. There's always a
story or narrative that gets in the way.

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Like I just said, to to
to what you want. So if

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for some reason you're not getting what
you want, you're going to actually go

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inside you. Corey, whoever it
is, you'd go inside you and investigate

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your thinking that's causing you to actually
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So it's a self accountable program in
a framework that's accountable, if that

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makes sense. Yeah, because if
I just would bust his balls on the

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doughnuts, he would just eat the
don'ts free. He came in his balls

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though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, well a lot of Well from what

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I'm hearing though, it's a lot
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addiction. You know, you have
to be ready, you have to be

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able to hold yourself accountable and know
that I'm tired. I'm tired of live

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in life this way and want drastic
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it. Yeah, because my mom
like and she'll say, you know,

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she been over backwards for me.
She was the only one at the end

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that was still there for me,
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having that support from people, I
think is good. I think that letting

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other people know what your goals and
you know, desires are the things that

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you want to achieve. I think
that that's a good thing because when I

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check in with my team every week, you know, and I want to

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know what's your goal for next week? What do you have going on?

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what are you doing? What do
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not going after something, then you're
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to hear like them being held accountable, I guess, you know,

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for this is what I said I
was going to do last week, this

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is what I did or what I
didn't do a lot of times there'll be

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a lot of excuses in people in
life, I guess in general, but

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I want to say myself as a
person in recovery, I had tons of

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excuses for everything we do and I
still got them today. Well, I

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can't go walk for thirty minutes to
day because I don't know name it,

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and I'll have an excuse for it. You know. Is that something that

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you've you find just being human?
Man, it's yeah. But but but

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they get in the way, right, they get in the way. That's

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that's the problem, you know.
And I go back to like when you

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when when I say when these excuses
excuses are narratives, exclusive excuses are beliefs,

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and they can be interrupted in a
moment. You can reinvent that that

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turn the excuse around and reinvent the
narrative and change direction in the moment.

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Most people just don't how to do
it. I've never trained, or they

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don't have a tool, or they
don't have a way to actually investigate your

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thinking. Because I tell people listen
rather like I tell people, don't believe

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anything that you think. If you
do, you will suffer. You will

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suffer. We have, like I
don't know, eighty thousand thoughts a day,

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and the moment you stay attached to
a belief system or a thought process,

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most of the time, it's because
you want to justify being right about

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something, and if you let that
go, it opens up limitless opportunity to

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everything that you want. It's crazy, it's crazy how true that is.

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But only if you discover it for
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true yourself. And a lot of
times it takes breakdown. Right, So

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breaking down your belief system is breaking
down your ego, and that's freaking painful.

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It is right, So accountability is
a part of the process, but

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so is a goain to go back
to being willing to submit to what you

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don't know, because underneath that is
freedom, another level of freedom. Yeah,

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I'm just thinking here because what you
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yourself, you know, like,
don't believe like the thoughts that you do.

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And last week there is just a
perfect example of Patrick is. I

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had to go speak in front of
this organization called the Drug Freak and I

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had to go and they and I
knew most of them that were there,

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and they were like, hey,
we want you to come and you know,

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present you know, and do a
little presentation and let us know what

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two seventeen Recovery does. And I
say, okay. So I go in

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there and I'm like, we had
this, we do this, we do

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this, we do that, and
I'm just naming off all the stuff we

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do and all of them are like
writing notes down. I'm like, what

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are they doing? And at the
end of it, they're like, wow,

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we didn't know you did so much. And I'm but I'm sitting here

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thinking why do I have to go
to this to tell them what I do

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when they already know Well clearly they
didn't. But you know, that's I

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think a really good example of me
telling myself, oh, people know what

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we do. No, no,
no, they don't. You know.

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I talked to my wife about that, and I was like, I was

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shocked. I thought it was a
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I going here? You know,
like this is silly, Like, yeah,

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I don't know. That's just just
the thought that I just had there

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when you were talking about that.
But no, I love what you said.

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And one of my mentors along my
journey was buyering babe when Katie,

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she's amazing. She's got a great
book called Love You What Is And one

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of the quote she has is when
we believe our thoughts, when we tell

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ourselves a story and we believe them, we suffer. We do, right,

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because when we're like, think about
like your situation, right, you

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told you had thought something and you
believed it, and then all of a

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sudden you were what disappointed or like, oh my god, I can't believe

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my all my time, you know
that they didn't know, right, but

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you went to a disempowering emotion of
suffering, of disappointment, of upset,

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which is never an emotion that can
propel us into what we want. Right,

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And so we're constantly attached to that
like, oh my god, right,

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even just for a moment or for
a day, or depending where you

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are in your recovery journey, could
be for years. And then we go

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to food or a drugted to number
selves. But it just comes back to

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that what she says about when we
believe our thoughts in the stories that we

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tell me suffer m except for when
I say I'm awesome that stuff now,

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But even then, yeah, am
I really that awesome stuff? Probably not?

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wake up call. But then so

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I went from there patrick to immediately
thinking, well, I got to do

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a better job. I need to
do more of this, I need to

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do more of that. And I
guess that would be a natural reaction,

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right or narrative, Well, it
depends what was the narrative that was playing

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exactly in that moment. Well,
I'm not doing a good enough job of

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I don't want to say, I
guess marketing or letting people know what we

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do. Okay, So I'm not
doing a good enough job with Mark and

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letting people know what we do.
When you tell yourself that story, what

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what emotions or what feelings come up
for you? Disappointment, disappointment, failure,

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failure. Okay, And when you
tell yourself that narrative and you feel

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that deep feelings of disappointment of failure, what does that make you want to

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do? It makes me want to
need a pizza or or no, if

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you if you're really honest with yourself
in this moment, like, what does

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it make you want to do?
You know when you experience those feelings?

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Mm? Like if I were too
deep, like yeah, let me dig

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in here, I would say,
it makes me want to go back to

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the drawing board and figure out what
I'm what I'm doing wrong? Yeah?

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Do you want to fix it?
Yeah? Yeah, got it? And

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what what was that narrative again?
I want to hear that narrative again?

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What what what is it that you're
the tape this plane that I'm not marketing

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our company, I'm not getting the
information out of what we do. Mhm

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if I am, that's not going
to the right people. And again,

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I knew those people like I see
those people a lot, and I would

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I just assumed that they knew exactly
what we did and they had no clue.

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So whether we got to to make
videos or again, but yeah,

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you can't make somebody watch a video. Yeah, and from that, from

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that particular narrative that you're playing,
what what what? What is the type

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of person that has that narrative like
that tape, this plane, that they

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they need to do more marketing.
Nobody knows about them and you thought they

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did. If you would have judged
the type of person what what? What

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would you say about them? That
they were clueless? That they were not

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self aware? Got it? Not? What? And what? What type

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of person is self aware and clueless? Uh? Who's self aware and clueless

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or not? So? What?
What? What type of person is not

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self aware and in their clueless Like
how do you judge the person like that?

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not what they I don't know.

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I would say they're not I don't
know if there's a I'm sure there's a

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word for it. I would just
say that they're don't want to say stupid

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or an idiot, but yeah,
they just don't know what's going on with

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their situation. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So I'm not gonna go too

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much down the rabbit hole here,
but basically, there's a deep there's a

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deep like seated belief, and generally
it's so subconscious. It's called the shadow

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and the work of shadow work that
I do, there's a deep seated belief

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that that's there, that's running the
show. That's why you do certain things.

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It's driving the actual behavior of what
you do or don't do. We

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won't unpack that deeper. I'm not
gonna make you go through the process,

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but it's always like is it true, Like investigating that thought, because ultimately

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what you're saying is that there's potentially
and I heard what I heard. There's

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like these feelings of of disappointment which
become like guilt or shame. It always

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leads the guilt or shame. Yeah, right, in some capacity if there's

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something wrong with me, I'm not
good enough or I fucked up, or

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I'm not whatever right, I am
not this whatever right, and then it

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just kind of drives the next action. Now, the good news is that

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you know you have recovery, right, so you're more awake and aware of

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that. But there's always like the
deeper shadow that runs the show. If

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we're not careful, which goes to
disruptive habits or behaviors, or an action

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or an action which is doing nothing, which is just as bad or worse

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as doing something. To yourself as
destructive, right, because then we get

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complacent and we get like an autopilot
in our life is working, but it's

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not like extraordinary, it is just
working, right, And I think I,

410
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you know, I could go to
the extreme and something about shop.

411
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.039
I know there's people that are addicted
to shopping, but you know I could

412
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:04.079
go to the other route with oh, well, I just need to spend

413
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it. Like I kind of said. I was like, oh, I

414
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can make some videos and you know, I could spend a ton of money

415
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:15.359
to get commercials and that kind of
thing. And then again, like I

416
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kind of said it too, like
you can't make somebody watch a video,

417
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.039
you can't make somebody click on something, you know, like that could be

418
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all for nothing and that could be
the horrible way to go. And we

419
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.200
just spend a bunch of money,
we don't have to to what you know,

420
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.359
to get the message out. And
then I didn't even get the message

421
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:36.640
out. So yeah, that's interesting
though. We are joined by our third

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00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.160
guy, just real quick here Mitchell, Mitchell, how are you today?

423
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:45.119
Oh? Nice, nice, speedy, speedy, sped well, thanks Patrick,

424
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.400
glad you made it in. Mit
No, we're talking with Patrick Jones

425
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:55.720
and Patrick, your website is addiction
ends here not today? Yes, yeah,

426
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.400
and Mitch you looked at his website. I sent it to you and

427
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.839
to justin what do you think about
it? I thought it was I skimmed

428
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.039
over it while I was over out
of my training last week, and it

429
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.599
was it was interesting. Yeah,
yeah, I liked it put together well.

430
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:18.000
And so Patrick has a incredible story. I would like to say,

431
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:23.119
uh, and and his change in
his thoughts about wanting to take control of

432
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.200
his life, you know. And
I don't want to say being a man.

433
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.720
Can we say being a man?
Patrick? Now? But you know

434
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.359
what I yes, because I definitely
did not feel like a man. I

435
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:45.279
felt terribly weak and powerless. So
yeah, that definitely could be something you

436
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.640
can say. Yeah, absolutely,
I can relate to that too. With

437
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:57.599
my story is it was very demasculated
in my addiction and then really had come

438
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.920
into I mean, it's taken three
years, but to find a place of

439
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.799
positive masculinity, it's been good.
Yeah. Patrick, I don't know if

440
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.160
you remember, but I was telling
all Mitch's dirty laundry to you last week.

441
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.079
Now, he's the guy that I
said that, you know, I

442
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.079
had to start lifting weights or using
the weight bands, like the resistance bands.

443
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:22.319
Why he was because he couldn't even
get out of bed. And yeah,

444
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.000
somehow I could get out of beout
to get to that liquor store,

445
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:30.440
but anything else. So, yeah, which what was your go to?

446
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.440
Was it? I heard liquor?
Was it alcohol? Yeah? Mainly alcohol.

447
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.519
There was some some pills and prescription
drugs in there every once in a

448
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.200
while, but it was mainly alcohol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

449
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.240
how long were you kind of struggling
with it, particularly from start to finish?

450
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:51.319
About sixteen years, the worst of
it was probably the last five to

451
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.680
six years. Got really heavy then, and that's when my life really started

452
00:32:54.680 --> 00:33:02.079
to fall apart, the last five
or six years. And I'm curious for

453
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.759
you, like, what was the
catalyst for you, particularly that said hey,

454
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.559
I'm done. It's a little different
than what I've heard a lot of

455
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.799
other people say. I finally had
somebody step into my life that wasn't sick

456
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:24.000
of my shit anymore and really said, here, let me walk you through

457
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.519
this and showed me love in a
way that I hadn't ever noticed it before,

458
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.759
and I was able to kind of
be guided through it until I was

459
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.079
able to make it my own and
that took a good year year and a

460
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:44.079
half probably of sobriety before I really
owned it for myself. But everybody around

461
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.119
me, Yeah, everybody around me
was really just kind of sick of it

462
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:51.119
because they've been dealing with it since
I was a teenager. And yeah,

463
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:52.279
so somebody new came into my life
was like, Hey, we're going to

464
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:58.599
figure this out no matter what thene
did and didn't leave, and that's what

465
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.519
really, that's what it really took
helped me through it. Yeah. I

466
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.880
heard two things in there. I
think the really powerful points you're gonna figure

467
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.840
this out. The mindset of we're
gonna I'm gonna have breakdowns, I'm gonna

468
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.800
go up, I'm gonna go down, but like, no matter what,

469
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.280
I'm gonna find a way, which
is such a crucial mindset for anyone struggling

470
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.480
is I will find a way,
and owning it is I And I heard

471
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.880
that you did that, and that's
really powerful. You know. The other

472
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.079
thing I want to make another point, that's you lightly said it. You

473
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.480
said the word. It's the word
that's now accepted in society. It's it's

474
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.519
love, right, you know,
I heard, I heard I heard self

475
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.360
love right, and to me,
you know, even seven years ago or

476
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:44.000
even five years ago, the word
self love still kind of triggered me,

477
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.639
right, you know, because I
was still in my own self love journey

478
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.599
trying to figure out what does self
love mean? And I was in my

479
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.960
head about it. I wasn't experiencing
self love, so like, of course

480
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.159
I would not experience love because I
was afraid to connect with myself and I

481
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.199
was afraid to connect and authentically with
other people without trying to be somebody else

482
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.599
that I'm not. So I'll tell
you a quick story around my first moment

483
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:14.400
that I found self love, because
I think for anyone that is on that

484
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.719
journey, I think we're all,
especially in an addiction, that's like we

485
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.480
do everything not to love ourselves.
We sabotage ourselves, we do everything to

486
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.480
fight against ourselves because we're not enough
or we're broken, or something's wrong with

487
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:29.679
us. That's like this driving belief
underneath the surface. There was a moment

488
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.599
when I was going through my healing
journey. I was about two and a

489
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.800
half three years in a twenty seventeen
eighteen, this is eighteen. I was

490
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:43.000
taking five prescription medications. Three of
them I was finally got off of and

491
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.320
I too left mood stabilizer and I
because I was diagnosed with bi polar disorder.

492
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.079
I will tell you this though,
like on my healing journey, I

493
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.880
knew I was misdiagnosed because my behavior
looked like bipolar disorder. But I was

494
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.599
up for five hours in my substance, in my addiction, like it looked

495
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.639
like a ratic behavior. But I
just was numbing myself because of my I

496
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.480
didn't, I couldn't. I didn't
want to feel right, and I don't

497
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.679
want to be ridiclal for my mom
and my dad or anybody you know and

498
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.400
judge me. So I went to
this. But I told my doctor in

499
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.079
two thousand and eighteen, I said, the same one that gave me prescription

500
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.920
meds for ten years. I said, Doc, I'm done. I never

501
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.719
want to take meds ever again.
What do I need to do? Tell

502
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.280
me what I need to do.
And I was just again open to the

503
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.800
possibility of it. Right. That's
the difference between that and ten years ago.

504
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.880
He said. He was an Indian
doctor. He said to me,

505
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.280
the only thing that you need to
do if you want, if you want

506
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.599
to never take meds again. The
one thing you need to do is go

507
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.159
to by positive meditation ten days silence, no talking, one hundred and twenty

508
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.800
hours of sitting and meditating ten hours
a day in silence, to observe self,

509
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.039
to observe sensation, to observe your
mind and not attached to them,

510
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.119
and you're and you're motions. I
went to my first one in twenty eighteen,

511
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.000
and it was one of the most
at the time, the most liberating,

512
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.559
freeing experience of my life, where
I found freedom and peace, but

513
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:19.440
ultimately I found stillness. I stopped
running from myself, stopped running, and

514
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:25.599
I found peace and self love and
I've found and I cried for hours when

515
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.719
I just felt my heart beat for
the first time in my life. I

516
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:34.119
was so profound, and that was
the moment I'm like, Okay, this

517
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.679
is cool. I want more of
this. I want on a journey of

518
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.559
you know, not looking for more
self love, but like, how do

519
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.559
I sustain this now because I'm still
dealing with battle internally, But like I

520
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.920
wanted to sustain self love practices,
I didn't know how. But ultimately to

521
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.599
your point, when going back to
your point, you said that we'd self

522
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.039
love, and I'm like, all
right, that's the journey we're all on,

523
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.519
right, is freedom of being ourselves
and loving ourselves radically and accepting who

524
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.840
we are no matter what the heck
happens. That's self love. Right,

525
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.960
We're all on the journey. I'm
still on the journey. You know.

526
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.400
I notice moments where I shift outside
of me and I have to shift back

527
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.880
inside of me because I'm still human, right, I'm not perfect, and

528
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.280
that's something I've accepted. You know, you're not walking around like mister Rogers

529
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.079
and nothing ag iss mister Rogers being
like, hey, I love myself.

530
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.239
You're not like doing that twenty four
seven. I mean, and maybe you

531
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.480
aren't. I would assume you're not. I will say this though. So

532
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:42.559
I was in Thailand a couple months
ago on another healing journey of detoxification,

533
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:49.440
and there are some guys that just
that are so how do I say?

534
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.880
They're very spiritual right where they just
are just calm and they're just in the

535
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.760
space of you know, you could
say self love, but they've done a

536
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.800
lot of work and they're in a
different consciousness. There's different levels of consciousness.

537
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.480
And so now I'm like, Okay, I want to strive to be

538
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.960
on another level of consciousness, you
know, because these guys really just are

539
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:13.440
in the being of everything. They're
not in the doing. They're in the

540
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.480
being which causes the doing, but
they're living in the being in the moment,

541
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.400
and so like there's always another level. That's the point. So I'm

542
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.599
even striving for, like what's next, how much how can I become more

543
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.480
conscious as a man, as a
father, as a partner, as a

544
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.639
business owner, as a as a
as a leader, as a guide for

545
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.079
other people, right, Because that's
what it's all about, is self awareness

546
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.199
and raising consciousness at the end of
the day, which is a FOURD concept

547
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.199
to me three years ago. By
the way, I love that. I

548
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.519
love it, and I think that
one of the biggest things you said in

549
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.199
there with your your journey for self
love and how you did it with the

550
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.039
spiritual practice and the meditation and the
stillness, that's how I got it too.

551
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:59.000
It was a different pathway, it
was a different I found kind of

552
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:04.880
found it my myself and just with
different people that I met over time.

553
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.119
But in the end I had ended
up doing the exact same thing you did,

554
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.559
and that's what worked for me.
Wow, And the self love part

555
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:20.239
was the most uncomfortable at the beginning. My counselor had me start doing affirmations

556
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.519
and I'm like, no, I
don't want to do this fluffy stuff.

557
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.199
I'm supposed to be a man.
Why don't I have to tell myself I

558
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:30.599
love myself and I'm handsome and you
know these positive things like that's not how

559
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.800
I was raised. And to break
that down and then to find meditation and

560
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.960
that stillness and the self awareness and
everything that you mentioned just kind of a

561
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.480
little bit different offshoot of the path
that you mentioned, like that that is

562
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:52.880
what it is, and I prescribed
to a very similar mindset that you do

563
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.719
with the consciousness and everything like that
moving forward with it. So I really

564
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.840
love to hear you say that that
was really awesome. It's beautiful man,

565
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:07.039
you know, and listen, like
you've you've clearly had quite a journey and

566
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.880
you're still on the journey. And
you know, it's so interesting how when

567
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:17.000
we're open to a new perspective,
because everything is perspective, everything is interpretation,

568
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:23.079
right, and and we submit to
a new possibility like everything and anything

569
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.880
is possible in life. Like like
Corey, you're I think he said you

570
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.639
want to write a script like that's
totally possible. And then when you write

571
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.360
that script, whatever it is,
guess what, it's going to open the

572
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.880
door for something new, like something
even bigger than that. Right, because

573
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:44.239
what you thought was was like normal
becomes numb, and what becomes numb becomes

574
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.199
becomes your current reality. Like you're
going to reach a certain peak and then

575
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.280
you're at another pit. I call
this the Pizza Pitt journey. You're going

576
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.400
to reach this like I made it, and then you haven't because now you're

577
00:41:54.440 --> 00:42:00.320
like, what's next. Right,
there's another peak and you're at another pit.

578
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.960
Doesn't mean it depressed. It just
means we're on a journey. We're

579
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.639
evolving machines. We're evolving growing machines. If we're not growing, you've heard

580
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.360
this, sney Tony Robbins says it
all the time. They're dying. We

581
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.679
were on an evolutional journey. My
only purpose in life is to evolve,

582
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:22.599
like the ultimate purpose in life and
to to ultimately, you know, heal

583
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.159
you know, things from my past
which which I have, and resolve the

584
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.400
things of why I was brought here
in the first place, you know,

585
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.800
to create a generation of my kids
that don't have to go through what I

586
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.880
did, and that's the legacy that
I'm going to leave behind that shadow work.

587
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.639
You said shadow way again, you
got to do that shadow work.

588
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.920
You're just explaining, you know,
the heal in your past and and paving

589
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.639
the way from God. But it's
a daily coryus daily man. It's like,

590
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.880
listen, when I'm stuck and I'm
like, Okay, what do I

591
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.840
I asked myself this question, like
and just give you like a frame or

592
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.159
for anyone listening to this is really
helpful. I have you ever stuck?

593
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.519
This is how you get unstuck.
It's like you identify where am I right

594
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.559
now? Okay, here's where I
am. This is what the current reality

595
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.039
going on at this moment is a
situation. This is what I'm feeling,

596
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.000
is that I'm experiencing. This is
what's happening. This is what's true,

597
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.960
because you can't argue truth, right. And then the second part of that

598
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.239
is what do I actually want?
Because most people like they don't ask themselves

599
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.000
this question in this moment, what
do I actually want? That's it?

600
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.280
Where am I at? What do
I actually want? And then the second

601
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:40.719
part of that is who must id
in order to do the things necessary to

602
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.079
get what I want because it's not
about the doing. We think, like

603
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.079
especially as business owners, entrepreneurs,
successful, high on whatever you want to

604
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.400
call, we think it's a doing
that's going to get the act, that's

605
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:53.679
going to actually get the action and
get the results of what we want.

606
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.840
It's actually a way of being.
It's an embodiment. It's how am I

607
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.559
actually showing up in this moment and
the way of being my being? This

608
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.519
my embodiment. Right? Am I
being resistant? Am I being you know,

609
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.639
arrogant? Am I being rigid?
Am I being stressed? Or am

610
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.280
I being inspired? Am I being
excited? Am I being empowering? Am

611
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.039
I being driven? Am I being
results driven? Right? It's a way

612
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.440
of being the access in order to
move to the result that we want.

613
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.440
And this is actually it was called
the B do have model. It's a

614
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.440
way of operating in life to get
a different outcome, different results. It's

615
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.000
very powerful. It sounds like it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah,

616
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.880
we love the positive talk. We
love the thought of change because I

617
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.920
don't think like you said, you
know the peaks and valleys. I don't

618
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.159
think wherever, and this is how
I feel. I don't feel like I'm

619
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.960
ever there, and even you know, when when I complete things and we

620
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:58.079
get funding and we open a you
know, a recovery center. Okay,

621
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.760
that's great. And my wife is
a drives a because she's like, you're

622
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.000
not happy, you don't seem happy, and you should be happy. And

623
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.480
it's like, well, yeah,
that's cool, but I'm on to the

624
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.840
next thing already, you know,
and it frustrates her. And then I

625
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.239
started thinking, well, maybe I
don't know what it's like to be happy.

626
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.199
Maybe I've never felt that emotion,
you know, with numbing things for

627
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.079
twenty plus years. Yeah, maybe
I don't know. Like if I get

628
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.039
happy now, I cry and it's
weird. And maybe I'm just like I

629
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.519
don't know, I don't know how
to be happy. I think I'm not.

630
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.559
I'm not sure. But it does
drive my wife nuts when she's like,

631
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:31.719
just be happy for a minute,
and I'm like, yeah, I

632
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:36.679
guess I'm proud of whatever we're doing
it, but like I'm on to the

633
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.519
next thing already, like I got
stuff to do, you know. That's

634
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.719
yeah, So that's listen, I
understand exactly where you're at that journey,

635
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:52.440
right. I had thought a couple
of years ago that in order to be

636
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.880
happy, I had to be successful
and I had to do things, and

637
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.159
I had to make this happen.
I needed that to happen. And then

638
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:04.119
I had this revelation of years back
and some trainings I did that happiness is

639
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.119
a choice, like I can choose
to be happy now, and it's not

640
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:12.400
even an intellectual like thought. It's
actually a way of being, like how

641
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.800
do I be happy? And then
and then in my body and body the

642
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.000
type of person that's happy. It's
a skill and it's a way. It's

643
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:27.119
something that can be learned by getting
doing embodiment practices, getting your body and

644
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:32.599
actually putting that energy and changing your
state in the body that changes the action

645
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.639
externally. If that makes sense.
Yeah, I kind of learned it again.

646
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.039
Yeah it's oh no, no,
I was just going to say it.

647
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.960
For some people it's foreign because they
like me years ago. I used

648
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.360
to operate from my head like go
go, go, go next thing.

649
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.719
I don't I am happy, but
I would tell myself that narrative. And

650
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.960
you might be telling yourself too,
I am happy, But are you actually

651
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.000
experiencing happiness and feeling that moment to
moment right, That's the magic question.

652
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.119
Yeah, I kind of learned it
is just a little bit different verbiage,

653
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.480
but very similar. Is happiness is
something that happens to you and that you

654
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:20.079
feel, and that joyfulness is a
choice. And I like the way that

655
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.840
you you explained it as well,
and then you explain kind of how to

656
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.920
achieve it as well, which was
very relevant to how I've learned it.

657
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.480
So yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's all at the end of the

658
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.559
day, there's nothing new like.
This isn't like I just readly I invented

659
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:44.400
this terminology. Now this is this
has all been around for a long time.

660
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.079
It's now just being more accepted.
So people are more open to it

661
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.800
because it's not woo woo anymore,
right, right, you know all these

662
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.880
terms and all these things, and
you know, even even eight years ago,

663
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:02.840
meditation I don't think was really fully
thing it was. People knew about

664
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.800
it. It benefits, but it
wasn't like in every single Instagram that you

665
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.840
go to on live, right and
you can scroll like crazy and if someone's

666
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.920
doing it live with a hundred people
on it. Very different, much more

667
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:25.360
accepted now too, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, I don't know.

668
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.199
Yeah, I forget I say,
yeah too. But that's heavy stuff.

669
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.519
It takes us, you know,
to process it and let let whoever's

670
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.840
listening process it. And it's all
relevant to my journey, it really is.

671
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:46.559
And and Patrick, he articulates it
very well so people can understand it

672
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:51.679
and try and do it. So
yeah, when Patrick, when I saw

673
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:52.679
your website, this is you know
what I told you last week when I

674
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.079
talked to you, it was just
like just screaming, like we need to

675
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.360
talk to this guy. And and
not just because I want to use your

676
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.760
services with us, but just because
like there's so many people out there that

677
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:09.840
are in our same genre, in
our same situations I guess are very similar.

678
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:15.320
Where all right, cool, we've
beat or our beating addiction. We've

679
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.519
changed our lives a little bit,
you know, enough to we're not going

680
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.320
to die from something stupid, hopefully, But then you know, we're not

681
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.079
kind of putting those other actions,
those other pieces into play. You know,

682
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:29.440
we're just going through life, you
know, some of us. And

683
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:30.559
hey, you know what, for
some people, that's all they want to

684
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.119
do. Good for them, But
you know, I try to surround myself

685
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.480
with people who do have goals and
dreams and they want to achieve more.

686
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.639
But like you said earlier, like
maybe we don't know how to get it.

687
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.880
Maybe we don't know what's stopping us
or what's preventing us. Is it

688
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.199
because we're scared? Is it because
we're you know, like what is what's

689
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.400
the goal? And I want to
surround myself with those people and I want

690
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.320
them to achieve what they want,
you know, And that's why I was

691
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.360
just like, man, we really
got to talk to this guy. Yeah,

692
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:05.320
I've on his website very yeah,
well, I really I I appreciate

693
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.400
the kind whereas you know, one
of one of the things that I wanted

694
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.079
to be I said the word be. This is about seven years ago.

695
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.159
One of my mentors, I don't
know if you guys have the named Garrett

696
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:22.159
J. White, Wake Up Lawyer. Lots of exposure, right, And

697
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.519
one of the biggest things that working
with him and in a lot of his

698
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.599
programs was I had to I had
to first stop fucking line to start telling

699
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.800
the truth, right, That's step
one. And when I started to do

700
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.920
that, I started to create a
sense of freedom. So a lot of

701
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.800
you know why, you know,
yes, we have success. Life is

702
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.480
good, but it's not great.
Life is great, but it's not remarkable.

703
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.079
It's not Okay, it's remarkable,
but it's not you know, exceptional,

704
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:53.239
right, because we end up settling
for secrets and lies and we don't

705
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.159
tell the truth of where we actually
are. And this includes feelings, by

706
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.639
the way, Corey like, when
you're not actually allow yourself to feel,

707
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.559
you're not you're not experiencing life,
right, You're not experiencing the moment.

708
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.960
You're not connected to what is.
And when you're not connected to what is,

709
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.719
we can lie and pretend. That
lying means pretending, right, pretending

710
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.280
that everything is great, showing the
world one way. But yet we're kind

711
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.000
of just operating small and we're just
beating ourselves up and it's not it's not

712
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.400
fine, right, but we're doing
that in silence. Right. So yeah,

713
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:37.320
I mean just going back to you
know what you're saying, there's there

714
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.920
always in the next level. And
you know, one of the things I

715
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.880
wanted to be going back to that
point. I wanted it, he said

716
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.679
eight years ago. I'm like,
I want to be that man. It's

717
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.760
the most powerful man in the room, has nothing to hide, nothing to

718
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:57.679
hide, right, no secrets,
They're willing to tell the truth, and

719
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:05.400
they're living in full integrity with themselves
and they're they're because they've exposed everything to

720
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.320
themselves or to others, and they're
living in truth. They're not living in

721
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:15.159
a delusion or reality of hope or
fear or the future or anxiety. They're

722
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:22.159
living in the moment and in that
moment they're free, right, And they

723
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:29.360
probably don't feel the sense of shame
or guilt either. Well, that's interesting.

724
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:35.840
Thing is I think as that mentiones
that you just the thing is,

725
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.519
no, that's the thing is,
they do feel it. They allow themselves

726
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.480
to feel the shame of the guild. I have shame and guilt every week,

727
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.079
right. It shows up because it's
natural, it's being human. The

728
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.400
difference is I allow myself to feel
it. It only takes ninety seconds to

729
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.239
feel an emotion and let it pass. Yes, And it is the most

730
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.360
liberating experience of my life every time. If I allow myself, I'll be

731
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.559
willing to surrender my ego, thinking
in my in my my narrative that I

732
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.480
don't need to cry, I don't
need to release the emotion because it still

733
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.079
shows up, submit and just put
on some music and allow myself to pass

734
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.800
that emotion and not stuff it.
And get it stored in the body,

735
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:21.519
you know, and just let it
pass. It is freeing, it's healing.

736
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.079
Yeah, feeling is healing. Feeling
is healing. And I still get

737
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.639
caught up sometimes and the guys I
work with like like not to feel because

738
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.679
I'm a I'm a like driven,
i am an entrepreneur. I love helping

739
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.960
men. I'm on a mission to
empower men and awaken them from from the

740
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:45.239
from this destructive prison of addiction.
But I have to stop and just grab

741
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:47.599
myself, like what am I feeling
right now? Oh? Shoot, what

742
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.599
am I experiencing? What are my
emotions? Can I just sit with that

743
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:59.039
in that space and be That's That's
something they do early on too in treatment

744
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.239
when they when I was in treatment, they gave us this whole It was

745
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:07.599
like page just filled with feelings,
and some of my didn't even know what

746
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:08.440
they meant. I was like,
I have no idea what that means.

747
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:13.559
That's not me. But it opened
my eyes to that. And they would

748
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.480
go around the room. This one
guy, his name was Steve, and

749
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:16.760
he was really good, and he's
like, I want you to, you

750
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.880
know, pick one of those and
tell me, you know what you're feeling.

751
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.599
And some people be like they would
just make up words, and he's

752
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.480
like, that's not even a feeling, you know, like that's no pick

753
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.280
apord, and tell me why you're
feeling that way, just to get you

754
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:30.880
in tune with you know, if
we were all sitting right now and just

755
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.159
said how are we feeling, you
know, and I wanted you to check

756
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:42.679
in, I would say I feel
energized, you know, say fabulous,

757
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:49.400
just say fabulous. I'm excited.
I should say excited, you know.

758
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.960
But those those are feelings, and
you know, early on it's tough for

759
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.239
us to sit there and think how
am I feeling right now? And I

760
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.880
try to do it once in a
great while, but there's you know,

761
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:07.320
you might be familiar with gratitude lists, you know, and that's something that

762
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.880
kind of grounds me. When I'm
feeling some kind of way or overwhelmed or

763
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.519
whatever it is. I can look
back to, you know, where I

764
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.119
was five years ago, and I
just can go down the whole list of

765
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.400
things I'm grateful for now. And
I feel bad for my wife because I

766
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:29.280
don't think I appreciate her enough.
I don't show it, you know,

767
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.360
I would just again kind of like
going back to that presentation I did last

768
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.039
week where I just assumed every been
in the room knew what we were doing

769
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:37.679
and knew what we were up to. You know, I just assume that

770
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.559
my wife knows I love her.
You know. I think I need to

771
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.639
do a better job, and we
can all probably do a better job of

772
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.719
that, you know, just showing
our loved ones that we really do love

773
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:47.960
them. You know, if I
would pick the phone up and call my

774
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.559
mom every weekend just to tell her
I love her and to get a report

775
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.360
on the whole family and who's doing
the dirt or whatever. If I have

776
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.840
to listen to that, that's fine, you know, Yeah, but that

777
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.800
at least show her that I care
and I'm listening, you know. And

778
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.039
there's the thing I love you,
and then the showing that I love you,

779
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.480
you know. But yeah, I
could do a better job of those

780
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.000
of those things, for sure.
Yeah. I mean you you brought a

781
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:21.440
lot up there, and what you
just shared, from feelings to showing you

782
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.400
know what you say. I mean, there's so much there. But one

783
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.239
thing that you just said that set
out and I can relate to it is

784
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.079
when I was thrown in two different
treatment centers even outpatient all that stuff.

785
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.440
I too got this card that said
like these emotions on it. And here's

786
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:44.440
the problem that I discovered. I
was so like mentally checked out and I

787
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:49.960
was so much attached to still in
my addiction, that you can't just teach

788
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.440
me emotions if I'm that far gone, if I'm in the dark right,

789
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:57.760
And they were teaching it from an
intellectual place. I never learned it from

790
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.039
an embodiment place. So like now
it's like, really, when you think

791
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.880
about feelings, it's like, Okay, what am I feeling in this moment?

792
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.320
What am I experiencing? And then
where am I experiencing it on my

793
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:14.119
body? So then you can get
deeper in the somatic and actually getting in

794
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.159
touch with where do you feel it
in your body? And that way you

795
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.960
become more connected to what is and
not from a headplace, but you actually

796
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.280
feel it on the body. You
know. Then that's what came up when

797
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:28.480
you brought that up. It's because
I never had them go deeper on that

798
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.840
note. It was just kind of
that car do they say the feelings and

799
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.880
you know, well, that's that's
a word. It doesn't mean anything to

800
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.360
me. It's just like a word
on paper. Yeah, yeah, Well,

801
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:43.079
and Patrick, you brought something else
up and it's I really enjoyed that

802
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:47.679
you did before. Corey shared just
a moment ago, was how you feel

803
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:52.119
it and how it only takes ninety
seconds typically for a feeling to come and

804
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.440
go. And that's something that I
share in the mutual aid groups that I

805
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.000
do here at the Recovery Center,
and a lot of people I'll start talking

806
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:06.840
about shadow work and healing the past
and things like this. The big question

807
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.559
I get is how do you do
that? And there's a step you take

808
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.400
after you learn how to properly feel
your feelings in the present, and you

809
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:21.239
have to realize that you didn't feel
your feelings in the past. So every

810
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.519
time you suppress something back then,
you left a little anchor in that energy

811
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.400
and it is just holding its place
back then. So what you do,

812
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.400
once you have the ability to do
it in the present is go back,

813
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:38.199
replay that situation out in your head, ask yourself what you were feeling,

814
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:43.480
what did you reply, what did
you repress, and just fully feel it

815
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.239
again. Kind of like you said, you know you can play some music,

816
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.760
you can you can feel it.
And if you can do that without

817
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.480
creating a story, about it is
how it was told when when I learned

818
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:59.440
this, then you will be able
to release that energy from your past and

819
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.480
that stuff that you have back there. And it's kind of like how you

820
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.000
were saying, doing it in the
present, you're just doing it for the

821
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.960
past. It's healing and then you
don't have that anchor holding you back anymore.

822
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.119
So I really really liked that you
brought that up, because that's that's

823
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.159
something I actively share with people and
it's that's beautiful. Yeah, it's worked

824
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.679
for me, so it really has. I love what you just shared.

825
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.320
I mean, there's so much on
that you could talk about, but you

826
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:34.360
know specifically that you brought up feeling
those feelings and going through the past to

827
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.599
find them. I know for me, you know eight years ago that that

828
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.199
would have been foreign to me.
You know when I say that is like

829
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.360
I would into likes how do I
do it? How do I do it?

830
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.159
How do I do it? So
you know, I think for anyone

831
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:52.559
that's listening, to kind of make
it more relevant, right because it's like

832
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:58.239
I could tell you all the incredible
experiences that you can do to heal your

833
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.599
past and all these things, and
you can do this and do that.

834
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.800
The simplest thing to do is I
know for me, this is what I

835
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.280
would have needed, you know,
seven, eight, nine, ten years

836
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.760
ago, which is a check in, a check in, and this this

837
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:14.559
is what I do for guys in
my program too if they need it,

838
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.280
depending on where they're at in your
journey, is have a have your calendar

839
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:21.599
on your phone out or a reminder
on your phone, and have at twelve

840
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.960
o'clock check in. And by the
way, this is for anybody, including

841
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:30.400
myself. It's just a check in, a feelings check in. It goes

842
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.119
off at twelve year in your day
and it just goes off. And in

843
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.480
the message it says, how are
you feeling? How am my feeling?

844
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.920
Excuse me, how am I feeling? And then the second question attached to

845
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:44.519
that is where am I feeling in
my body? And then the third question

846
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:49.800
is what do I want to feel? This is where you have the power

847
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.679
to choose a different feeling. And
then the fourth question is what must I

848
01:00:53.719 --> 01:01:00.320
embody now in order to feel that
right? And you do that at twelve

849
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.360
noon, and you do it again
at seven o'clock at night or six clock

850
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.280
at night wherever you know, you
get kind of in your limitation or you

851
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.599
get in your day. You're not
a pilot. I used to do this

852
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.239
for quite a long time, and
now it becomes so second nature. I

853
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.480
can do it in a moment's notice, where I can do it every five

854
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.239
minutes, I can do it every
hour. I can do it without because

855
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:22.280
I'm aware. It's also been becoming
conscious and aware rather than defaulting to reaction

856
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.400
of the time are going off or
six days later when you're like life is

857
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:31.159
going crazy and you're like, okay, I need to pause. Stop where

858
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.480
am I right now? So it's
just an intentional way to pause and check

859
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.440
in with you, right. I
like that it's more relevant for anyone listening.

860
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.400
You know that how do I do
it? I really like how that

861
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.280
works and how it brings you into
the moment, because there's also the belief

862
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:52.400
where the moment is all you truly
have, and a lot of people get

863
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.599
caught up on what the future is
going to be like or things that have

864
01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.679
happened in the past. So when
you do that and you purposefully make yourself

865
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.519
feel or decide what you're going to
feel or what you want to feel in

866
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.480
the moment, it brings you into
your body, right, there and just

867
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:15.000
kind of pulls it all together and
you can leave that future or past anxiety

868
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:22.679
like out of that situation. And
it's that's healing too, and that's that's

869
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.079
beautiful. I love it. Yeah, one more, one more piece of

870
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:31.119
that. This is something I did
a training called a Master's training with a

871
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.079
company out in California about a year
and a half ago. And you know,

872
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:38.360
as a man, you know working
with people, I like, I

873
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:40.679
said, I think on the phone
to you, I'm on it. I'm

874
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.960
still on a journey, right,
I'm still in my own growth of learning

875
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:51.199
more about me and growing as a
man, be better. And there was

876
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:58.559
this moment inside the training where it
was about experiencing your experience and then communicating

877
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.400
your experience you know the person so
in order like this is interesting to actually

878
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:07.760
anchor in the subconscious mind and the
deeper experience of what you're currently experiencing.

879
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:13.480
When you communicate to somebody else what
you're experiencing, it actually gets you more

880
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:19.199
present in that experience. Right.
And then the moment that you notice that

881
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:25.239
you're not present, you are actually
present. It's fascinating, isn't it.

882
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:30.800
Yes, when you notice you're not
present, you actually just got present,

883
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.119
and I like how you have to
word it. You have to say it

884
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.519
to somebody else, and it's it's
almost multi dimensional at that point, so

885
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:42.280
you're speaking it out into existence.
And then if you write it down and

886
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.760
you think it and then you tell
it to somebody else too, you can

887
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:47.719
you do it in all these different
ways, and you just become so much

888
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.559
more self aware in each dimension of
that communication, and it just brings you

889
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.599
even into it even deeper, and
the deeper you can get into it,

890
01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:00.159
the deeper you can heal. And
I just I love it. I love

891
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.960
it. It's great. Yeah,
it's so good, so good good stuff

892
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:11.360
for sure, great conversation. We
could go for a long time on the

893
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:16.440
cuff. But Patrick, though I
do want to thank you. Though Mitchell,

894
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.320
he has his own podcast and normally
they're like three and a half hours

895
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.599
long, So Mitchell seriously would talk
to you for another three and a half

896
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.199
hours. But we know that you
have a trip you're getting ready for.

897
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.559
You know you're going to Austin,
and I do appreciate your time. Addiction

898
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.119
ends here, not today. Is
your website, and we'll put a link

899
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:39.559
to your website in the description of
this podcast as well, but is there

900
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.400
anything else you want to get out
there? Plug or say, I would

901
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.760
say, you know all you all
on Instagram or if you want to get

902
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.280
on Instagram, whatever it is.
I check out my Instagram. It's also

903
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.360
addiction. It's here. I put
a lot of content on there as well.

904
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.360
But the thing I would say is
this, I just I think this

905
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:03.920
last persigon with is recovery is possible. But what we all deeply want is

906
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:10.440
to be free, right free in
our minds, free in all areas of

907
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:14.119
life. And freedom is not just
possible, it's available. But freedom is

908
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.719
a choice. It's a choice moment, a moment that we must make it.

909
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:21.159
It's a choice that we make to
be free in this moment. And

910
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:26.079
I'm telling you that if I was
in such a dark, dark place for

911
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.079
so many years in my life,
so many years, and I if you

912
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.000
just and I said this to you
on the phone, if you just want

913
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:39.239
it one more percent, the one
percent more meaning of you wanting the attractive,

914
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:44.000
attractive option of a life beyond it's
possible. So what I mean by

915
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.039
that is fifty one percent has to
want it more than the forty nine That

916
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.519
one percent as long as every day
you focus on the one percent of wanting

917
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:57.800
that freedom, wanting life beyond it, wanting to move past it. You

918
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.800
will do it, but it takes
that one percent sense Again, I was

919
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.800
telling that to my wife and the
podcast yesterday and I totally screwed it up.

920
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.360
I was like, no, he
was saying, this is like looking

921
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:11.199
at me, and I'm like no, for real. I was like,

922
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.840
I'll talk to him tomorrow. Yeah, but no, that's that's that's great,

923
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.960
And I like that just because it's
not, oh now it's one hundred

924
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.320
and eighty percent. No, it's
just just one percent. Like everyone's like

925
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.599
one hundred percent all in there.
You just need one percent some days to

926
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.800
go to forty eight, like thirty
nine. But then some days it'll be

927
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.480
like, you know, sixty five
percent. You just need the one percent

928
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.599
because it's about mile steps moving forward, one step, one step, one

929
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:39.639
step, one step, one step, one step again, one step backwards,

930
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.480
one step forward, two steps forward, one step back. It's just

931
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.559
part of the journey. Yes,
for human good stuff. Patrick, I

932
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.280
appreciate you talking with me, Justin
and Mitch today. I hope you have

933
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:55.480
a good trip and stay in touch
for sure, man, because we're very

934
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:59.519
interested and hopefully we can talk about
that coming up in the future. Yees

935
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.159
yeah, I'm going to be in
touch for sure with you. Look forward

936
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.239
to it and thank you for having
me on the podcast. So it is

937
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.920
a pleasure. Thanking all you guys, and I look forward to talking again.

938
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:12.960
Thanks for listening to the two seventeen
Recovery Podcast. We hope you come

939
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.440
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