WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:44.159 All right, hello everybody, it's good to be here. Opes I'm supposed 2 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:50.920 to go Hello and welcome to Open minds UFO Radio. This is your host, 3 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.920 Alejandro Rojas, and this is the new show. So just to share, 4 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:58.799 well, you know what, let me bring on my special guests, 5 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.599 so I'll explain how this is work going forward. But I'll do that with 6 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:08.159 my good friend President, so he can put in some color commentary and that 7 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:14.879 here is the famous spiego Hello. Well hello there, and you know you 8 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:19.480 mentioned color commentary. I realize that I've been in the sun a little bit 9 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.319 and the color my face makes me look like I'm living on the sun normally. 10 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:30.920 Uh, that's money, your lovely, lovely complexion. Oh well, 11 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.920 thank you. Well, it's good you're getting out. Yeah, I know, 12 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:40.239 amidst the pandemic that's surrounding us, doing my best to get there under 13 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.200 the actual sun and praying to the gods and the goddesses to help us all. 14 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.560 So hopefully I'll bear with me, Lee, But I've got a little 15 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.359 bit of business to talk, so to let the audience know and you can 16 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.599 be informed too. So now that I'm back with the Open Mind UFO Radio, 17 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:04.920 here's how it works. This is the live Friday livestream newscast. So 18 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.719 essentially what I'll be doing here is every Friday, I'll be talking about the 19 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.879 UFO news of the week, and I'll have a special guest with me. 20 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.039 In this case, it is Lee Spiegel. If you heard my first little 21 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:21.639 mini podcast kind of announcing that I'll be coming back, I did. We 22 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:28.199 were talking about Martin being here, but that didn't work out, so we've 23 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.919 got But of course we'll have various people, and Martin will be backcher However, 24 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.719 it will work a little differently in that my interviews, this won't really 25 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.280 be an interview with Lee. Of course, Lee is going to share his 26 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:46.919 vast knowledge in the topics that we're talking about and his educated opinion on all 27 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.599 of this, and that's why we have him here. And I think he'll 28 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.159 probably make us laugh a couple times along the way, which is the point 29 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:58.599 is to kind of have a light, fun discussion about the UFO news of 30 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.840 the week. But my interviews, in my in depth analysis, which is 31 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.719 something new that I'm sharing, is you know, the lectures that I've done 32 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:15.120 before, and I'm putting together new presentations kind of deep diving into various topics, 33 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:22.000 and those are called the Rojas Reports. I'm gonna mostly do those on 34 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:27.840 Wednesday, and those are a subscription service, So on Podbean you could pay 35 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.800 the buck fifty and get access to those, or you can go to Patreon 36 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.960 and there's a couple levels. If you just want the audio, you can 37 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.159 pay a dollar fifty there and get all the audio. For everything I do, 38 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.479 I'll upload the audio there and I'll do it, you know, on 39 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.759 Podbean as well. And if you are a patron at the higher level, 40 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:53.080 the five dollars level, then you can join all of my live streams live. 41 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:58.879 So for instance, I did a behind the Pentagon live stream earlier this 42 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.120 week where I detailed to the stars and a tip and the whole history and 43 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:08.080 how that came about really important to understand for people who don't. But I 44 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.759 posted that earlier this week, and if you were a Patreon patron at that 45 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.040 level, you could have joined us live and ask questions and things like people 46 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:19.680 did. Later today, I'm going to interview Brian Bender, and I'll talk 47 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.879 a little bit more about that. He's a writer for Politico, used to 48 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:28.199 be the Defense and Space editor. Now he's a course senior correspondent, but 49 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.720 he broke a very important story that we'll be talking about here in a minute, 50 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:38.399 and so you'll be able to join us live and ask questions from Brian 51 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.319 Bender or any of my guests. So all of that, like we used 52 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.560 to do the fun parts with the interviews and everything that will be the Rojas 53 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.079 Reports. Please do subscribe. I hope you're not disappointed, and that that 54 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:54.360 information is now behind a paywall. However, one of the big reasons I 55 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.959 had to leave is just this is very expensive. It's really draining on resources, 56 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:04.000 finance, actually, time wise, everything else, and I really want 57 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:11.800 to keep this going. I think you all have been so kind and you've 58 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:17.920 really stressed how important it is that we have these discussions about the credible information 59 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.120 when it comes to UFOs, and I think it's really important because look where 60 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:27.480 we are. The Senate is asking for UFO reports. We're in a new 61 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.759 world where the credible information is much more important. Those of us who have 62 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:36.399 been following the credible information have been above ahead of the curve when it comes 63 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:41.000 to all this stuff the mainstream is talking about. So let's stay ahead of 64 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.800 the curve. Let's look for the credible information. That's going to be compelling 65 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.560 to the mainstream and to the lawmakers out there and continue our conversations. And 66 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.480 what's great about these live streams is it makes it more of a community because 67 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.319 now we have these people who are alive talking to us. So thank you 68 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:02.000 to Connie, to Renee Tomorrow, to Tim, all of you who are 69 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:09.000 joining live armand and and thanking us for being back. Thank you all for 70 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.600 being here. So that's how it will work. And Lee, how are 71 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.519 you doing today? I'm great. I'm not sure if you can hear it 72 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:23.079 yet, but there seems to be a storm approaching my area here on Long 73 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.759 Island. Yeah, the rain is starting at the little little rumble of thunder. 74 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.759 Unless it's it's from some other worldly source and there they're just coming down. 75 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.560 They need to be close by where I live so they can they can 76 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:39.000 tune into the podcast. I think they want to know what you and I 77 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.079 are going to be talking about. Yeah, this will be fun and just 78 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.879 a reminder for people. Yes it is Lee from kg ra A. Somebody 79 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.920 asked, that's what this is about. This is not so much a conspiracy 80 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.040 show. We do address them in that, you know, talking about any 81 00:06:55.079 --> 00:07:00.839 pertinent conspiracies that pop up. And certainly it's not to say that there aren't 82 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:06.720 necessarily conspiracies, but it is more about that credible information and also approaching these 83 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:12.240 conspiracies in that manner. And and you know, that's what's great and why 84 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.480 Lee and I have an affinity is that we kind of come from the journalism 85 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.120 world. And you've got to be able to and I would love your perspective 86 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.399 on this, Lee. You have to be able to and this is something 87 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.839 I think a lot of UFO people, if I can use the term struggle 88 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.560 with. You've got to be able to understand the perspective of the mainstream not 89 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:36.199 just mainstream science when you're writing about that for journalism, but mainstream media. 90 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:44.079 You know are colleagues. So for instancely you were working in a newsroom at 91 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.959 Huffington Post, you know, full of other writers, journalists and skeptical by 92 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:54.560 nature, rightfully so, and you were covering this topic. So I mean 93 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.399 you would have it in your face every day, that high bar that you 94 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.879 have to meet to really get some something convincing out there to your colleagues in 95 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:09.040 the public. Yeah, working in that newsroom in the middle of New York 96 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.560 City, the Huffington Post. I you know, I kept I kept pinching 97 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:20.000 myself at my luck. And it was a combination of luck and the fact 98 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:26.120 that my friend Buck Wolf, who was the editor of at the time it 99 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.559 was called the Weird News section of Huffington Post. He and I had both 100 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.120 come from working at ABC News. He left ABC, went over the Tough 101 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:41.000 Post, and shortly after he landed at hof Posts. He he called and 102 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:46.440 he said, how happy are you over there at ABC? Because I need 103 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.720 someone like you at helf Post. Are you interested? And I said, 104 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.080 well, I don't know what you what have you got? Make me an 105 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.360 offer? And I went over to see him at Health Post. It gave 106 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.919 me the lay of the land, and he said, look, I'm doing 107 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:07.559 weird news here. I've got a small staff, but I need someone who 108 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:13.000 has a background in UFOs and unexplained phenomena, which I had from eight years 109 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:18.600 on NBC Radio in New York. And he said, if you're interested, 110 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:24.679 it'll be the kind of situation here where you won't have to run past any 111 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.960 story ideas unless you really feel like it's necessary before you put something together. 112 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.639 And I'll be your editor. And I said, well, I can't ask 113 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:39.240 for a better situation than that, and so I spent seven years at huff 114 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.879 Posts as the only feature writer there dealing with not just the UFOs but the 115 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:50.600 whole range of the paranormal, and as often as I could, I wrote 116 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:58.000 stories that went across the boundaries of the overlapping worlds of science and the paranormal, 117 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:05.279 because I I wanted to do something to give science a chance to kind 118 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:09.679 of lend its voice there too, and so I was always always looking, 119 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:15.519 still always looking for scientists, people at universities, people at NASA, people 120 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.480 within the government, to get somebody to give their opinions on different topics that 121 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:26.080 I wanted to talk about. Even if we disagreed on those subjects, it 122 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.039 was important for me to give the impression that I wasn't biased in any way 123 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.960 whatsoever about the topics. I wanted to stay neutral because as a journalist, 124 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.840 I have to. I think you feel the same way. We need to 125 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.840 be presenting some kind of credibility in a field where there's not a lot of 126 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:52.960 it. The media out there doesn't know how to handle a lot of the 127 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.159 topics that you and I deal with, and so we have to kind of 128 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:03.600 act as a litmus paper to have people filter their information through US. I 129 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.720 try to stay away as possible from all the really whack jobs that are out 130 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.279 there, and there are some there. I'm not naming names because I don't 131 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:20.559 have to. You all know who you are. But I remember back in 132 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:28.200 the days when before NBC first hired me in nineteen seventy eight, and they 133 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.039 said, we understand you're putting something together at the United Nations about UFOs, 134 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.480 and we've heard about that. We'd be interested in having you come on NBC 135 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.039 Radio and do nightly daily UFO reports. Are you interested in that? And 136 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.919 I said, well, well, sure, absolutely. What are the parameters? 137 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.759 And they said, not really. We think you know your stuff. 138 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.879 You know what you're talking about. You have had enough experience about it, 139 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:00.080 even back then in nineteen seventy eight. All that we ask of you is 140 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.000 that you don't say anything on the air that could bring a lawsuit to us 141 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:09.440 here at ABC. And I thought, okay, and they said, be 142 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.879 careful of the language you use because we're not you know, we're not a 143 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.240 cable radio network because there weren't any back then. I don't think in nineteen 144 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.320 seventy eight. This was years and decades before something called serious XM, where 145 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.679 you could go on the air and do and say anything you want. So 146 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:33.480 I was very mindful of that and it worked, and it's still working for 147 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:41.200 me on KGRA Digital broadcast. And I'm having a great time interviewing people that 148 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.759 I wish I had known back then. But this is good because you always 149 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:50.879 you and I were always looking for good new interviews of people who have something 150 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:56.360 interesting to say. It's all about getting good news out to the public. 151 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:03.440 Public doesn't really know way to get accurate information from. When I'm a presentation 152 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.559 anywhere Alano, at the very beginning, I always say to the audience, 153 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.320 thank you for coming today. It's nice to have a good audience here. 154 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.759 I will ask two things you do today. Please. Number one, don't 155 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.200 believe anything I'm about to tell you, and they know how to react to 156 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.960 that. And I say, tom, I because if you're looking for information 157 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.399 about UFOs or ghosts, or sea serpents or esp the whole range of the 158 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.080 paranormal, don't just rely on what I have to tell you, because I 159 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:43.080 will present people who will help you form a good opinion of these things. 160 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:50.360 And so that that's my first question for you. Second question is what wasn't 161 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.639 a question, It was a piece of advice. I would say to people, 162 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:01.000 please don't only rely on ancient aliens on TV to get all of your 163 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.159 information. I'm not knocking this. I'm just saying it's a very popular show, 164 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:13.000 but there are many other places where you could also get information. I 165 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.879 always urge people do your own homework, do some legwork, make some calls. 166 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.440 You may not be a journalist or a reporter, but if you want 167 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.240 to find out more information, I will always provide links of places that you 168 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.639 can go to, people you can read. I'll always turn you on to 169 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.279 someone like Alejandro Rojas, then the Rojas Report, people that I think are 170 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.919 credible and will offer you the kind of stuff that you're looking for, so 171 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.120 that the next day, when you're back working in your offices and you're standing 172 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.480 around the water cooler and you want to talk about things that you've heard about, 173 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.279 you'll have something to talk about and you'll be able to say things that 174 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.320 you've heard that come from credibility. And that's pretty much all that I'm at 175 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.799 right now, right And I mean, you like me, are also open 176 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.120 to criticism. I mean I like people looking at my stuff and saying hey, 177 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.120 what about this or what about that? Because I want to know if 178 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.279 I miss something I want to learn, and it may mean a follow up 179 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.879 article or or correction. But I also want to make sure that I did 180 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.840 a good job and you know, got everything, and I think you're the 181 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.879 same way. I try and do my best, especially when I'm doing my 182 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:37.720 radio show. I will always come as prepared as I can to offer the 183 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.799 information that I want to get across, Like even right now today, I've 184 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.759 put some notes together. I don't mind saying that, because I want to 185 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:54.399 make sure that that I like dotting my eyes and crossing my t's really carefully, 186 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.559 especially with the information that I put out. And if I make a 187 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.440 mistake, if I say something inaccurate, I want someone to point it out 188 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.240 and I'll apologize and I'll make a correction. It happened a few times with 189 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.480 Huffington Posts where I had to go back and do a correction at the bottom 190 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.759 of the story where I had found something or someone had read it and pointed 191 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.080 it out to me, Hey, you made a mistake. You said this, 192 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.279 or you gave this as the date and it is the wrong date. 193 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:26.080 And I will always make a correction, and I don't mind using notes because 194 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:32.200 frankly, if I have to rely totally on what's in my head sometimes that 195 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:38.200 frightens me. So yeah, that works. And before we move away from 196 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.720 this topic, it's important, especially going into the news that we're going to 197 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.399 be talking about here, because it pertains you know, It's one of the 198 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.879 reason I guess I have a lot of media or journalism people on like I'm 199 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.559 interviewing Byron Bender later today, because you know, we kind of come from 200 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:03.200 a similar world and that like these topics we're talking about. And you know, 201 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:07.759 it's my intention, and I know people don't believe this of all media, 202 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.680 but it is true of much more media than you may realize. It's 203 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:17.720 my intention when I get a hot tip on something, to thoroughly examine it 204 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:23.200 and research it. And my duty is to the truth and sharing credible, 205 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:30.400 valid information to the public. That's my duty, beyond whether or not what 206 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.119 my friends say, what other people say, that's kind of a thing. 207 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:36.720 Now, well so and so said this, and so and so said that. 208 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.400 Well, I respect those people, but it doesn't mean they're always right. 209 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.920 I'm not always right. Nobody's always right, So we have to follow 210 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:48.880 the data. So sometimes we get these hot tips and we end up having 211 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.920 to debunk the story, and it's not that we wanted to, but that's 212 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.400 where the data leads. And at least I think with us who are more 213 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:02.000 friendly to it. And there is a difference if you're a mainstream journalist and 214 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:07.880 you want substantiated information and if you get a hot tip and you follow that 215 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.400 thread and it leads to something interesting, you want to print that. However, 216 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:17.319 that's not typically what happens. Typically what happens is, unfortunately you find 217 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:22.680 they were missing miss information, or people misunderstood something, or something broke down 218 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.640 along the lines and the story was not handed to you correct So you got 219 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.480 to correct write the correct story. But at least you and I will be 220 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.240 respectful of that. Where a lot of mainstream media, if they debunk it, 221 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.400 then they're going to make fun of it as well. Sometimes I will 222 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.160 sometimes I used to do this more often when I was at hof Post. 223 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:48.480 I would criticize and I would get on a grandstand or bandstand and I would 224 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:59.240 criticize a lot of international media that they just don't you can tell. First 225 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.200 of all, there's a lot of sloppy writing out there. Uh, they 226 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.079 don't care whether or not they're getting that even their grammar correct that not even 227 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.400 doing correct correctly formatted sentences. And and they don't seem to care a lot 228 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:18.000 about the facts. And they'll make things up or they'll I mean basically they'll 229 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.880 just make certain things up. And it's like you and I, we have 230 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.920 this problem with a lot of stories. I hate I hate stories when when 231 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.119 they always they'll come up with any reason to use the word aliens in a 232 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:37.359 headline, right, or extraterrestrial must have been aliens scene over over Montana. 233 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:44.559 You know, citizens are stunned by extraterrestrial visits. Well, you can't say 234 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.240 things like that, it's and I'm not saying it wasn't aliens, it wasn't 235 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.839 extraterrestrials. But boy, what do you think the chances are that that, 236 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.599 uh, an extraterrestrial is just gonna hang out above a baseball game, for 237 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.920 example, Uh, and and cause problems. You did something years ago, 238 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:10.680 if I recall involving a baseball game and a vehicle that was seen by people 239 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:12.799 in the stands, do you remember that, Yeah, and that was a 240 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:21.000 UFO hoax, Yeah, but it was perpetrated somewhat innocently by a marketing department 241 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:25.640 for marketing. I forget what they were even marketing at this time. Market 242 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.559 It was in Canada. It was for a new planetarium. Oh that's right. 243 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.799 And they had built they had someone actually build what looked like a flying 244 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:40.519 saucer circular with lights around it, and and they even test they did test 245 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.880 flights of it, and on the day in the question of the night in 246 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.880 question, they sent this thing off and and they sent it over to a 247 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.599 nearby baseball stadium, I believe, and during the game they had this thing 248 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.359 rise up from behind center field or somewhere, so everybody in the stadium saw 249 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:03.440 this thing and and it created a big ruckus. Now, mind you, 250 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.319 it didn't have words around the bottom of it saying Hi, I'm representing the 251 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.000 new planetarium. Come see. No, it was nothing like that. But 252 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.400 still, and I believe, and I believe I gave you credit. You 253 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:19.920 were the media guy who set this straight and who really did the work on 254 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.480 it with your integrity, and I always always applauded you for that well. 255 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.759 And we played into their hands somewhat because their idea was to try to get 256 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.160 articles out there. So when I hunted that down and wrote about it. 257 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.240 Then you wrote about it, so it take them a bunch of publicity, 258 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.039 which is exactly what they wanted. Yeah, and in a way I feel 259 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.799 a bit conflict because they were hoaxing, but at the same time it was 260 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.960 somewhat clever and their planetarium or looked really cool. Yeah, and I was 261 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.759 happy to write the story. They even provided us with pictures of what the 262 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.440 thing looked like when it was being built, and they did like a comparison 263 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.160 of it kind of on the ground, and then a comparison of that of 264 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.480 when it was over the stadium, so you can actually see that. Yeah, 265 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:11.839 somebody on Earth made this, but for a good reason. But at 266 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.799 least they didn't try to perpetrate it as a hoax the way some people have 267 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:21.720 through history, through the UFO history, where they've actually been hoasters on a 268 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:26.799 variety of stories claiming that they were visited, in some cases taken for rides 269 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.599 on hips. And again, I don't want people out there to think, 270 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.720 oh, Spiegel's just now he's putting down the experience or the contactee the abduction 271 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.079 UFO stories. No, I'm not doing that. All I'm saying is that 272 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:47.880 We've got to be careful how we report these things so that everybody comes off 273 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:52.519 looking really good and credible. And there's no place in what I do, 274 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:57.400 no place for ridicule. I will never ridicule anyone in any stories and any 275 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:03.319 shows that I do, because what's the point. Nobody benefits from that at 276 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:08.759 all. And people's wives have been ruined because of the ridicule factor, and 277 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:14.480 that that simply has to go away forever. Mm hmm. All right, 278 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.400 so, and one last question. Actually, this is kind of turning into 279 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.240 an interview, but I want to get your perspective on this because it's a 280 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.599 brand new world. I mean, I'm going to be interviewing. I keep 281 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.680 bringing him up, Brian Bender, because I think it's just such an important 282 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.039 figure in this because he writes for Politico. I mean, it's a very 283 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:41.880 credible publication that typically covers what's going on in Washington, d C. And 284 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:47.119 UH and because of that, they have to be very careful about credibility and 285 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:55.400 the whole ridicule factor. So it's pretty I think notable that this senior correspondent 286 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.640 for them has tackled the UFO topic, and over the last few years he's 287 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:06.039 had quite a few of the big scoops regarding Washington and their interest in UFOs. 288 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.920 And then there's others like Tyler Rogaway, you know who writes for the 289 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.079 Roar Zone that is also breaking great news. Of course, George Napp is 290 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:19.559 a mainstream journalist who's always been writing about this and continues to. But you 291 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.880 also have you know, Fox News jumping into the mix with lots of interviews 292 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:30.559 with the TTSA people. So we're in this new world where now you know, 293 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.839 you're not one of the few kind of mainstream journalists out there trying to 294 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:38.240 get the word out. There's a whole there's there's more of them. How 295 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.880 do you feel about that? I'm happy about that. I don't want to 296 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.759 stand out as the only one out there reporting on this stuff in incredible way. 297 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.000 No, I welcome everybody who wants to do that. That's that's the 298 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:56.640 whole right. And I always look at Political, the Political magazine for stories 299 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.880 here because those are the stories that I can rely on so that I can 300 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:06.759 quote from them. And I did this just on my own radio show last 301 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.559 night. I will always give credit where credit is due. And you talk 302 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:15.359 about Political and Brian Bender this story, if I can start jumping into this 303 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.599 right now. No, let's not jump into that yet. Let's hold that 304 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.079 for a second. But I want to just touch on one more topic because 305 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:29.119 we had a question out here in the chat regarding all this Bim Jim who 306 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.640 says journalists could have their articles proofread by a scientist. I have done proofreading 307 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.960 for lawyers, and I do want to address that because that's an issue. 308 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.319 In fact, I was in a meeting with a bunch of Nobel laureate scientists 309 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.279 and this is just a conference room where we discussed a lot of this. 310 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.319 In fact, you can go look on I think it was three AM that 311 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.759 sponsored it, and if you find the video, you can see me defending 312 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.720 journalists with these scientists, because it is kind of difficult. First of all, 313 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.519 Lee and I have both had it where editors give us headlines we don't 314 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.119 like, we don't really feel represent our stories. But second of all, 315 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.799 with it scientists, it's very hard because they're really in the weeds with the 316 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:14.000 information. As a journalist writing on a science topic, typically I've got to 317 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:21.519 take this extremely complicated issue try to figure out how to explain it to the 318 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:27.400 general population in a thousand words or sometimes less, and that's really difficult. 319 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:33.359 So there are times where I have had a scientist look over an article and 320 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.160 if I trust that they can kind of understand what I'm trying to do here. 321 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:41.319 But the problem is with scientists, you're never going to get it right 322 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.160 because they're essentially wanting to get details in there, and you're kind of like, 323 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.599 well, I get what you're doing, but nobody's going to get what 324 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.279 you're saying. That's just too complicated. So it can be hard to balance 325 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:59.400 that, and scientists get really frustrated with the whole working with journalists. When 326 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:07.279 I was writing for seven years that huff Post, I didn't always read material 327 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:12.519 that would come from scientists or scientific journals or universities. I would read papers 328 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:18.759 that have been written or other media sources that written about for stories, and 329 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.960 I would rewrite it so that I felt that it would be palatable for my 330 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:30.119 readership. I didn't always feel like I had to send a finished story to 331 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.720 a scientist who is involved in the story just to get their impressions a because 332 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:38.680 you never know when a scientist or anyone is going to have the time to 333 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:44.079 read yourself and to give you their comments or their critique. Or their corrections. 334 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:49.519 They're very busy scientists or their university teachers. They don't have the time 335 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.599 to start reading a lot of things that other people have written about them. 336 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:59.039 Basically, they're hoping that any stories written about them will be accurate, and 337 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.839 so it's my responsibility. It was my responsibility to do it as accurately as 338 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:10.319 possible and to make it as understandable to the readers as possible, because scientists 339 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:15.480 will use phrases and terms and names and things that I wouldn't understand, and 340 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.599 I would always have to go to my rely on my dictionary or my thesaurus 341 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.680 to figure out what the hell they were saying to use words, and they 342 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.920 often don't care about the article. A lot of people you interview are really 343 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.559 excited because you're excited that they're going to get their name out there printed in 344 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.640 an article. Scientists often could care less. If not, they're like, 345 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.759 Okay, quit wasting my time. I've got important work to do. Let's 346 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:48.119 over with. So it is a struggle and what I like about what I'm 347 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.920 doing now, I'm not sure how you feel about this. The idea of 348 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.480 doing a one on one interview with someone and they've already agreed to the interview, 349 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.119 and you kind of them know ahead of time the kind of points and 350 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.200 things you want to talk to them about, so they're already feeling comfortable before 351 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:11.680 the interview begins. And the interview starts and you get into the questions and 352 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.160 it's like, well, they have to answer those questions in some form because 353 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:21.359 they're doing it live or pre recorded. And if, as the interviewer, 354 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.920 if I don't think that they're answering my question, I'm always aware and I'm 355 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.680 always having a dialogue with myself while I'm having a dialogue with them and basically 356 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.079 saying, is this person answering my question? If not, I have to 357 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.920 gently bring them back and ask them instead of saying, hey, but you're 358 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.799 not answering my question, what's up? Right? You know, you want 359 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.039 to be very careful about basically, I don't want to piss anyone off when 360 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.559 I'm talking to because I want to keep, you know, as friendly as 361 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.960 possible. And that's part of the job of being a journalist is you want 362 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.599 to get the information from them that you want to get. And sometimes I'm 363 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.839 sure you've had this as well. Sometimes you'll ask a question and they don't 364 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.799 want to answer it. I mean, and they'll even say to you or 365 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.480 you can feel it, well, I'm a little resistant about that, or 366 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.519 I can't really answer that, and you've got to figure out a way of 367 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.799 getting around it. So they will somehow give you an answer, because you 368 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.200 know, you've got an audience out there that also wants the answer, and 369 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:29.039 they will be satisfied until you give them something that will make them hungry for 370 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:36.279 more. It's an interesting occupation we have, and I haven't decided yet do 371 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.039 I prefer writing about it or talking about it on radio. I'm still I'm 372 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.880 still working on that. Yeah, all right, well let's get into the 373 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.720 news just one more kind of behind the scenes. It's kind of cool. 374 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.839 It's just sharing me in the face right now. And I have not shared 375 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:59.200 this with the audience yet, which is that this was really cool. I 376 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.279 met Sean k Hill about a year ago at Comic Con because I invited them 377 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.359 to our Dent of Geek party and Lee Spiegel was there, and some of 378 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:14.960 you may remember we posted an interview with Sean ky Hill and Loue Alesondo from 379 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.880 that party about a year ago that you could see on YouTube. But Sean 380 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.279 ky Hill gave me this. So lou Alesondo his office is less than a 381 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:29.119 mile away to the Stars to office. In fact, yesterday I was riding 382 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.519 my bike out, you know, because that's where I ride my bike either, 383 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.119 you know, it's one of my bike rides. And so I took 384 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.759 a selfie that I put on Instagram of me in front of the to the 385 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:45.079 Star store because it's been all locked down. But and then I talked to 386 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.839 you and facetimeon you got to join me on my ride there. But this 387 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.960 was really neat Sean ky Hill gave me this. So Loue ale Asondo in 388 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:59.960 his office has a bunch of these coins. They're called like challenge coin. 389 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.960 So what's the other word you remember? But in the military you get these 390 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.599 four awards and stuff. Oh yeah, I don't remember. And it's really 391 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.200 gorgeous. I love the flags. Yeah, this is amazing and this is 392 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:15.880 one of the most important things to me. So they're a real honor when 393 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.079 you get them. And Lou Alesando has a row of them on his desk 394 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.079 over here at to the Stars. I've got one, so I've got it 395 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.559 right here on my desk. But this, if you can see, it's 396 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:36.079 from the Princeton so shown Hill when he saw the UFOs from the Princeton at 397 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.240 the famous Nimitz event, he had two of these in his he had one 398 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.400 in each pocket, and this is one of them. And he felt, 399 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.160 he just said, he felt that, you know, because of the great 400 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.279 work I do that I was I needed to have this and I'm just so 401 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.279 extremely flattered. And I keep it right here on my desk and it reminds 402 00:32:54.319 --> 00:33:00.960 me to keep on keeping on. You don't walkeet you're out there riding your 403 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.400 bike. I don't want to lose it. So I keep it right here 404 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.279 on the desk to look at me when I do this. So that's a 405 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:13.079 little insight. So thank you so much, John, I mean, I 406 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.680 was, I got emotional. We gave that to me, and it was 407 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.359 at that Comic Con thing, and it was it was it was surprising. 408 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.839 It was the first time we ever met face to face, so it was 409 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.480 really cool. Cool. But anyway, let's move to the news. So 410 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.160 the big news, and I don't know that there's really another story out there, 411 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.960 to be honest, but this is a big story, and is that 412 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:39.279 the Senate Intelligence Committee in their bill for the essentially the intelligence spending bill, 413 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:50.039 they have included a request for UFO or uIP information and they want to report. 414 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.079 But this report, and this is headed by Marco Rubio, this report 415 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:04.200 is not just asking for, you know, a report from the Navy, 416 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.559 and I'm gonna get into some of the background here real quick, but it's 417 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:15.679 asking for an exhaustive search for all of the summaries from essentially all of the 418 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:22.639 different agencies that are looking into UAP. This is really interesting because they actually 419 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:30.400 name the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force under the ONI, the Office of Naval 420 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.920 Intelligence. That's really interesting because this appears to be and we don't have this 421 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.199 completely official, but people like Chris Mellen, who works for the Stars and 422 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.599 also worked for the Senate Intelligence Committee during the Bush era, where it was 423 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:52.320 his job to essentially get black project and SAP information for the Senate Intelligence Committee 424 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.559 when they requested it, and also you know, provide reports on all of 425 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:02.159 those black projects. Chris has said yes, this essentially is the same group. 426 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.639 I think Lou Alesando said that too, and they're actually going to have 427 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.920 a podcast soon where all of them are talking about this, and that ought 428 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:16.960 to be very interesting. But Lou a TIP originally was under the DIA Defense 429 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.000 Intelligence Agency. Then when Lou took it over kind of and it turned into 430 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.119 the UFO thing, all of this which I reviewed on my Rojas report from 431 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.239 Wednesday. But when Lou took it over, Lou Alesando worked for the OSD, 432 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.960 the Office of the Secretary of Defense, so he moved it over there. 433 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.840 Now we get this thing coming out that's saying the Office of Naval Intelligence 434 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:45.079 the ONI is oversight for this project. So apparently, at least from what 435 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.039 I've heard from people in the know such as Tim McMillan has been talking to 436 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.039 some of the people involved, that O and I has essentially kind of taken 437 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:59.400 over, even though it's still kind of housed in the OSD, and it's 438 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.639 a multi agency thing. So Roger Gassel, a UFO researcher who's been doing 439 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.800 lots of foyas and has also been in communication with the press people at the 440 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.559 Department of Defense, he got them to admit that, you know, these 441 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.719 UAP investigations do still continue, and they it is a multi agency kind of 442 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:25.400 cooperative thing. And essentially they're admitting another thing that they denied that loue Alezondo 443 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.559 has been telling us since December of twenty seventeen, which is that that program 444 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.119 that he ran continues to this day. So it's yet another thing that the 445 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:40.880 DoD hasn't denied that Louel Alesando has been saying that has been confirmed. So 446 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.840 it's gotten so much momentum. You know, Brian Bender broke the story that 447 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:54.239 a year ago the Senate these Congress people were briefed on the UAP situation, 448 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.639 and now we see that they're still taking it very seriously and they want this 449 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.920 EXAUS report. I do want to mention too that Danny Silva here was one 450 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.440 of the first people to get that information out there, along with another gentleman. 451 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.920 And I'm going to go look up his name in a sex so we 452 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.079 can get that name out there. So we'll talk about brand with Brian later 453 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.320 today on what his sources were and how he came across the story. But 454 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.880 of course Brian behind the scenes is talking to these people in Washington every day. 455 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.719 So pretty shocking revelation, Holly, Yeah, and several interesting points about 456 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:37.719 it. This entire report that Senator Marco Rubio of Florida that has filed to 457 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:44.320 get the information they're looking to get detailed a detailed analysis of all data collected 458 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:50.199 on UAP. Well, the ultimate goal, they say, is to make 459 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.519 it accessible to the public. And there's there's the rub Really, so, 460 00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:02.559 I somehow can't imagine that every thing that they discover in their analysis is going 461 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.800 to be very quickly made public, because could the public really handle or understand 462 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:15.000 all the information that they're going to collect. And as Political magazine, as 463 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.679 Brian wrote, and I'll let me just quote directly from it, it said, 464 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:25.559 the committee remains concerned that there is no unified, comprehensive process within the 465 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:34.599 federal government for collecting and analyzing intelligence on unidentified aerial phenomena, despite the potential 466 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:39.840 threat end quote. So there's the thing for me is so they are clearly 467 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:47.440 considering these UAPs or UFOs as a potential threat. Now, for all those 468 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:54.400 people who insist that the UFO UAP experience can be blamed on the technology of 469 00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:00.079 other countries like Russia and China, it may not be that cut and dry, 470 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:07.159 but at the very least, it now appears that after many years of 471 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:13.320 the government and military being very close mouthed about UFOs, now suddenly, as 472 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:21.760 you say, this topic is now it's on an official Senate agenda in reading 473 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:30.320 about this and as a result of the US Senate's concern all these close encounters 474 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:37.920 with UAPs they've occurred in recent years with America's military forces. And that call 475 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:45.559 for the review of the UAPs is part of a report called the Intelligence Authorization 476 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:51.519 Act, and it's for the fiscal year of twenty twenty one. And as 477 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:57.199 we both said before, Senator Rubio has already submitted that report. And I'm 478 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.000 wondering what you think. Do you think, Alejandro, that that anything will 479 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:08.159 actually come of this UAP review? What kind of threat to our national security 480 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.960 would they likely find? What do you think? Well, I think that 481 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.719 the term threat, and I think it's a really important one, doesn't necessarily 482 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:23.280 mean that they've come to the conclusion that these were under attack or there's a 483 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:30.320 certain particular danger. And I think this is important because a lot of people 484 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.760 get on this point. They keep saying this is a threat, they're a 485 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.320 danger, they're bad. Why are they saying that? They don't even know 486 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.400 that, Well, they don't know that. However, anything that is unidentified 487 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:44.880 by is a threat. We don't know intentions, we don't know what it 488 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.360 is. It could be a weapon. When it's your job to secure the 489 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.360 safety of not just the citizens, but your own a military personnel, then 490 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.400 that's a really big deal. I think an example of this would be Kevin 491 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.800 Day. Kevin Day, who is the radar operator, says he was very 492 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.320 emotionally affected by what happened, and that's because, like he says, it 493 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.599 was my job to watch those radar screens and make sure there were no incursions 494 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:17.440 by any unknowns and if they were to identify them, to scramble to go 495 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.280 take care of this issue. Typically in his career that meant drug runners, 496 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.280 you know, people veering off course, drones, things like that, but 497 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.760 in this situation, they didn't know what it was. His last go too. 498 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.559 He retired soon after that, so he was very emotionally affected because there 499 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.880 was something flying around out there, his job to protect the airspace and he 500 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.760 didn't know what it was and had to retire and still does not know what 501 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.559 it was. Benny Hansen put it, I think he put it has a 502 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.199 really great explanation for this. Our good mutual friend who is on the Travel 503 00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.440 Channel quite a bit these days doing paranormal shows, but he put, like 504 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.559 this, here's why they would consider it a threat. If you woke up 505 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:10.800 in the morning and you went to the kitchen and you saw footsteps, and 506 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.039 you know someone had come and walked in your house and left. They're gone. 507 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.280 There're no current threat at that point, but you're not going to feel 508 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.559 very comfortable about that. Even if whoever walked into your house was friendly and 509 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.599 the nicest person in the world and they came in to help themselves to you 510 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.039 know, an apple or something and left. Even if there were no male 511 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.760 intent by that person who entered your house, you're still going to be feel 512 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:43.599 very threatened and you're going to want to secure your home so that doesn't happen 513 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.639 again, because you don't know the intentions of this person coming into your house 514 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.800 and it may threaten you and your family. It's like that. Not only 515 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.920 that, it also justifies budgets. This is the defense department. This isn't 516 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:04.039 the happy shake hands interplanetary diplomacy department. And we don't even know if there's 517 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.400 aliens involved, So I think that that factor is really important in calling it 518 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:15.840 a threat. So if it's an unidentified if there are true incursions from technology 519 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.480 that we don't know the origin, what origans are, then that it fits 520 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.880 a threat. And if that's what these guys have determined. That's what the 521 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:29.320 Senate Intelligence Committee wants to know the other part of this. Will something come 522 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:32.039 of it? I think so, And here's why, like you said, 523 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.639 and I was going to look for the papers and maybe I will look for 524 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.760 this quote there's a direct quote. Oh oh, by the way, Steve 525 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:46.039 McDaniel was the other person who shared this information right off the bat, really 526 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:55.440 early on. But here is some of the information. And the important part 527 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.960 that I want to find here is what you talked about where they said they 528 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:09.920 want this to be in the public right And essentially, the committee understands that 529 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:17.039 the relevant intelligence may be sensitive, never lootheless. The committee finds that the 530 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:22.760 information sharing and coordination across the intelligence community has been inconsistent, like you're saying, 531 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.280 but that was just a point. They want a public republic report, 532 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.360 although they say some of the information could be sensitive, so they get it 533 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.280 that. You know, if we were to ask you for a report, 534 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:49.519 we would want you to Normally the report might have to be classified because the 535 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:54.079 information is classified, but we want a public report. So even if a 536 00:44:54.119 --> 00:45:00.639 lot of this does contain classified information, they want a sort of summary. 537 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.760 They want them to make a concerted effort to have public statements about this, 538 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:12.039 So they want this information in the public. Likely it is because if they 539 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.199 are to take it seriously, they have to substantiate the credibility of that. 540 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:22.039 So they've got to have a public report that shows Heysen guys in the Senate 541 00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:27.840 Committee aren't UFO goofballs. There's a real legitimate reason why we want to look 542 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.880 into this. So that's really important, and it also indicates, I think 543 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.320 a lot of momentum because this isn't the first one to go ask for this 544 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.679 sort of information. John McCain did. There was another representative in the House 545 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.480 and I forget his name. It was Warner or Walker. Somebody told me 546 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.280 I had those names and mixed up, and I think it was Warner. 547 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:52.480 Another story that Brian Bender broke and I'll have to update. But regardless, 548 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.800 there are other politicians that have been asking for this information. So I think 549 00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.960 even if this fails, even for some reason gets removed from the bill, 550 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:08.760 that there's enough momentum that people like Marco Rubio and other people in Congress. 551 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.880 I'm hearing this from the two the Staris guys and from Brian Bender that there's 552 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.599 enough people that want to know that, I think that they're going to get 553 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.679 that information one way or another. This is one attempt to get it, 554 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.880 but they'll try others if this doesn't work. And you know, I'm a 555 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:35.079 great believer in looking at things historically and not forgetting certain things that have been 556 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.039 that have already taken place, that have been said, that have been written 557 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:44.280 about. And every time, you know, every time I hear the phrase 558 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.880 national security, certain little bells go off in my head. We have I 559 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:53.079 heard that phrase before related to UFOs, And the first one that comes to 560 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:59.559 mind is, gee, do we all remember back in nineteen sixty nine. 561 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:06.400 That was the year that the u United States Air Forces Project Blue Book ended 562 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:14.119 after decades of investigating more than twelve thousand UFO sightings and reports. Sixty nine 563 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:19.960 is when it ended, and it issued as part of its deletion of Project 564 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.320 Blue Book from the public, it issued a statement, and part of that 565 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:30.599 statement read quote no UFO report. See I want to get this right. 566 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:39.480 See, just like I said before, quote no UFO reported investigated and evaluated 567 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:45.000 by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security? 568 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:52.440 End quote. Now you see they keep saying that they keep harping upon that, 569 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.599 but now we know that that was just not true. In fact, 570 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.440 on my program last night, I had returned, I had Air Force Captain 571 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.840 Robert Sallas, and I read that quote to him on the air and I 572 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.840 said, so, Captain, was that a true statement that the Air Force 573 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.639 wrote in sixty nine? I said, no, it was all a lie. 574 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:19.800 And we now know for sure that national security does come into play here. 575 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:25.639 Anything that involves any objects that are in the skies above our country, 576 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:31.880 any country anywhere, that are flying around with impunity and can go anywhere they 577 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.840 want, whenever they want, that's considered something to do with national security, 578 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:43.159 especially if we don't know what their purposes, what their intention is. And 579 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:50.320 I'm not talking about just encounters with the Air Force or Navy pilots. What 580 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:58.000 about all the encounters between commercial airline pilots who've had weird things happen to them 581 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.280 while they were flying from one local to another, and that they saw things 582 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:07.880 from the cockpit, and on many occasions passengers also saw similar things. And 583 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:15.719 yet we know now pilots aren't supposed to talk about this. There's a there's 584 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:23.239 an organization called NARCAP that was created by doctor Richard Haynes, former NASA scientists, 585 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:30.239 specifically for pilots who want to report strange occurrences that happened to them, 586 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.639 but they're not allowed to talk about it from the commercial airline companies, so 587 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:42.639 they can report anonymously through NARCAP. In doctor Haynes's side and through his help, 588 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.519 I've been able to perhaps you have too, been able to interviewed some 589 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:51.280 pilots who said, yeah, these things are out there. When they approach 590 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.119 you, you don't know what to do. You don't have a lot of 591 00:49:53.119 --> 00:50:00.639 time to make snap decisions, especially if you've got passengers and you're like responsible 592 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:06.000 for their lives their safety, and the airlines would rather we not talk about 593 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.559 it. I mean, imagine a anjo. What airline company is going to 594 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.960 make any kind of an announcement and say, well, folks, yes, 595 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.960 we understand that some of our pilots have been reporting certain things. It doesn't 596 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:23.719 seem to be any aggressive behavior toward them by these unknown objects, so we 597 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.599 think that it's still okay to fly. The friendly skies will keep you informed 598 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.960 about yeah, but they never keep anybody informed. They just won't talk about 599 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.519 it because hey, the business probably not well, and I think that's the 600 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.920 key there. I think you've got a great point. In the Chicago hair 601 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.760 incident, for example, in what two thousand and eight, it was happened 602 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.400 people, very very credible siding with lots of witnesses. Happened over a United 603 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:58.559 Airlines gate and what was air United Airlines. They were the first to cover 604 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.599 it up. They were shutting it down. They were not completely honest in 605 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:09.280 their initial responses to it. This is well documented by a Chicago Tribune writer 606 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:14.719 and he did a great job. I mean he was not a UFO writer, 607 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.920 he was just a travel writer and he was like, Holy, Holy 608 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.320 moly, this is a very legit thing. So yeah, they tried to 609 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.559 squash it, probably for that same reason that you were talking about. Getting 610 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.960 back to Project blue Book. You had a great point about how they said 611 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.360 this doesn't pose a threat, because they were trying to say this isn't anything. 612 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:36.079 But at the same time, when they said they're a closing Project blue 613 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.960 Book, there was a memo that came out from I think it was even 614 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:45.400 a general and he said that's okay. The important cases are reported up the 615 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:51.480 ladder separately anyway, So any of those cases that perhaps did pose a threat 616 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.559 were not reported through Project Blue Book. Also, we know that they've been 617 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.960 lying to us all along, all of us. You know, this Pentagon 618 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:06.360 UFO project has existed since two thousand and seven. Yet all of our foyer 619 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.639 requests or requests to any branch of the military has told us, No, 620 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.440 we haven't cared about UFOs since nineteen sixty nine. Even when we have releases 621 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:20.480 of official documents showing a UFO investigation, we're like, hey, there's this 622 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.800 document I got via FOYA. What do you guys have to say about this. 623 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:28.119 No, we haven't been investigating UFOs. That's not my question. Obviously, 624 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.760 you've been investigating UFOs. I've got to document here. My question is 625 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.000 what was the result? Who investigated it? What did you think? No, 626 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.840 we haven't been you know, we've been lying to this whole time, 627 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:45.840 and that could be what is kind of inspiring this response by the Senate Intelligence 628 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.840 Committee right now. Luelsondo said he came out because he was trying to get 629 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.719 this information up the ladder. He knew General Maddis the Secretary of Defense. 630 00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.119 He worked for him, but his people would not let lou bring any UFO 631 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.519 stuff to him. They wouldn't let him bring it up. Chris Mellan says 632 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.559 he helped them to get that information up the ladder and they failed. So 633 00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.159 they decided to go elsewhere, kind of do an end run and go to 634 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.960 the media, and Alexander resigned. They got their story out in the New 635 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.519 York Times, and now it's resulted in this. And so Chris Mellon has 636 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:30.840 said there is an attitude in the Senate Intelligence Committee that hey, why didn't 637 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.239 you guys ever tell us about this. You're supposed to brief us on everything 638 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.280 you guys are doing. Why did you not brief us on this? Now 639 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:45.440 we want answers, which vindicates Aleixando because they said, you know, that's 640 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.079 what Alexando's goal was, said he believed they wanted this information, and he 641 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.119 was right. And so they could be looking back at the history and saying, 642 00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.599 look, the Air Force has been lying to us all along. They've 643 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.079 been saying there's nothing too Now all of a sudden, we're finding out through 644 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.599 the New York Times that wasn't true at all, that they have been very 645 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.159 concerned or they have been looking into do this, And now the Senate's like, 646 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.719 now we want answers. And they may even address that. Why have 647 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.599 you been lying to the public for so long? It's about time? And 648 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.559 can I bring up another little item that was in the news that's arcalated? 649 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:29.960 Oh yeah, definitely. Okay. Last week President Trump nam okay. President 650 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:35.159 Trump point was interviewed by his son, Donald Trump Junior. It was a 651 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.719 Father's Day themed chat, and near the end of it, Donald Junior asked 652 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:45.960 his dad if he might ever disclose information about the nineteen forty seven reported UFO 653 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:52.559 crash near Roswell in New Mexico. Donald Junior said, quote before you leave 654 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.960 office, would you let us know if there's aliens? Would you ever open 655 00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.400 up Roswell and let us know what's real going on out there? End quote, 656 00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.880 to which the President responded, quote so many people ask me that question. 657 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:12.880 It sounds like a cute question, but actually there are millions and millions 658 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.199 of people that want to go there, that want to see it. I 659 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.239 won't talk to you about what I know about it, but it's very interesting. 660 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.360 Roswell's a very interesting place with a lot of people that would like to 661 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.719 know what's going on. Okay. End quote. Then, when Dawn Junior 662 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:36.119 asked if his father is saying that he may declassify it. President Trump simply 663 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.480 said, quote, I'll have to think about that one, right, And 664 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:44.559 as he said that I was watching, he looked off camer to his right, 665 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.199 as if to get some kind of confirmation from someone who was sitting there. 666 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.360 And that's how the interview ended, as it was reported by NBC News. 667 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:58.199 Now, I'm not going to sit here and offer any kind of speculation 668 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.840 as to what the President meant when he said that Roswell is a very interesting 669 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:07.159 place, or that he wouldn't tell his son what he knows about Roswell other 670 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:13.440 than it's very interesting. And when Don Junior pressed his father about declassifying the 671 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.639 Roswell information before he leaves office, whenever that will be, when the President 672 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.400 said that he'll have to think about it, what kind of a tease was 673 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:28.320 that? And who is it directed to only to his son or to anyone 674 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:35.480 watching the interview who's interested in the subject of UFOs aliens Roswell. The other 675 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.679 thing that I want to say about this is that while I watched the exchange 676 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.519 between father and son, it made me think of the story that I wrote 677 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:52.199 for the huff Post back in twenty sixteen when presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton dropped by 678 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:58.559 the Jimmy Kimmel Live TV show and they discussed, among other things, UFOs. 679 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.519 Will asked, if she became president, would she release UFO files. 680 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.199 Missus Clinton said, quote, yes, I'm going to do it. I 681 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:13.559 would like us to go into those files and hopefully make as much of that 682 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.440 public as possible. If there is something there, unless it's a threat to 683 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:22.760 national security, I think we ought to share it with the public. End 684 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.719 quote. And there's the catch, because in the last couple of years, 685 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:32.280 obviously all of us the public has been hearing about and seeing videos showing close 686 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:39.199 encounters that the Navy jet fighter pilots have had with unexplained flying objects. Part 687 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:46.239 of the documentation that's come out about these events includes officials declaring that some of 688 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:52.480 the UAP encounters could very well indicate a threat to our national security. So, 689 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:59.599 in the end, Missus Clinton would probably not have released sensitive UFO files 690 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:04.719 if she had won the election, and now President Trump will most likely not 691 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.239 do that either because of the national security implications. For one final thing about 692 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:16.840 that that I realized in both cases Missus Clinton and President Trump, both of 693 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.400 them were very aware of the millions of citizens out there who want to know 694 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.960 more about UFOs. Even President Trump said, millions and millions of people want 695 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.039 to know they want to know about UFOs. But you know, if you 696 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:40.480 easily substitute the word citizens in that sentence for the words registered voters, then 697 00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:46.920 we'd get millions and millions of registered voters would want to know more about UFOs 698 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.920 and who might be more apt well, who who might be more apt to 699 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.960 vote for someone come election day? To these registered voters who are interested in 700 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.039 there's a catch. Yeah. I think that this is a really important aspect 701 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:07.079 to all of this, is the politicizing of it and the politics of it. 702 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.679 The Senate and the senators are political animals more than anything else. In 703 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:20.440 the the TTSA talks Chris Mellon, which is an amazing interview. I really 704 00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.519 think people should listen to that Tom DeLong interviewing Chris Mellon. You know, 705 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:29.920 he talked about this and about how, you know, the majority, vast 706 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:35.360 majority of the work that senators are doing are on their campaigns. They've got 707 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:39.280 to work on getting re elected and that unfortunately, that takes up most of 708 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:45.320 their time rather than actually being able to run the country. And even at 709 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.440 some of these briefings, you know, they're not able to pay much attention 710 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:52.880 or do much about what's going on. So I think that's an important aspect. 711 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.960 But I agree with you one hundred percent. My take on what the 712 00:59:54.960 --> 01:00:01.119 President said there is that he's playing from the John Podesta the playbook. And 713 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.719 I know I plug this, but I think it's fair because I'm very proud 714 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:10.159 of it. But that Jimmy Kimmel interview that you just mentioned, when John 715 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:16.119 Podesta's emails were leaked via wiki leaks, there was an email from one of 716 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.920 her head of staff who said, why does Jimmy Kimmel want to talk about 717 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.079 UFOs in this upcoming interview? And somebody said, because Bill and John have 718 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.400 a history of being interested in UFOs. And one of the stories they linked 719 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.400 it was my story about John and Podessa's John Podessa and Bill Clinton's history in 720 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.679 UFOs. No time to go into that right now. Maybe I'll do another 721 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:45.199 Rojas report just about that. But my point is John Podesta was very interested 722 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.960 in UFOs, and so is Bill Clinton. But I don't think like you, 723 01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:53.719 that that was their driving intent. When Hillary Clinton was doing those things, 724 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:58.960 John Podesta was pushing Hillary Clinton to talk about UFOs. But this is 725 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.880 during a campaign. These guys are savvy people. Everything they're doing is a 726 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.639 calculation on how is this going to get my candidate into the White House. 727 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.480 I think what you're saying is exactly right. They were trying to appease the 728 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:20.480 UFO lobby, who I believe they thought was a conspiratorial group who were probably 729 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.840 leaning towards Trump, and they thought maybe this is a way to get into 730 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.800 some of those people to say, hey, you guys are in TUFOS. 731 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.360 So is Hillary. You know, she's got a whole history of UFO investigation, 732 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:36.519 so you guys have to you guys should vote for her. I really 733 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.880 see this Trump thing as a play on the same thing. Hint some UFO 734 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:44.920 stuff so we can get these UFO guys on board with our campaign. It's 735 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:50.599 a total exact same thing. In fact, here's a great question somebody asked, 736 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.480 and I think it's a very fair question, because what about the politics 737 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:58.239 of this announcement, What's going to happen there? I think it's a great 738 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.280 point. There's a guy on the internet, Adam Keho, who is people 739 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.719 should watch. He's writing medium articles. He's great and he did an analysis 740 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.559 and he said, watch out, guys, because here's what's going to happen, 741 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:15.719 because this is what happens in politics. And he's exactly right that there's 742 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:20.440 going to be some delineations here. Whatever happens with this UFO thing, there's 743 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.719 going to be finger pointing this was your fault, and there's also going to 744 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.039 be people trying to take credit look what I did, like a Marco Rubio 745 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.679 saying look what I did, or maybe even the President saying, look, 746 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.800 during my administration, we asked for UFO questions. So this person asks g 747 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:42.199 Harlequin, funny how the Senate hearing is being initiated during the next election campaign. 748 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:46.039 Do you think it's an attempt by Donald Trump to gain the UFO vote. 749 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.000 I don't think so. We're going to ask Brian Bender about this. 750 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.440 I'll leave that up because that's the topic. I'm going to ask Brian Bender 751 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:59.559 about this when I interview him in about an hour. But I think Marco 752 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.840 Ruby, from what I understand from what I've heard in the background, has 753 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:09.360 a real genuine interest. I think that the Senate Intelligence Committee got this briefing 754 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:13.920 and they really are like, why didn't we know about this. We need 755 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:20.360 to know about this. I know there's got to be some political thought to 756 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.360 it, because there always is number one thought, how is this going to 757 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:29.079 affect my electability? And that could be why Marco Rubio is really pushing for 758 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.880 the public end to this so he can justify why he's doing this so he 759 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:37.920 doesn't take a hit when it comes to his voters. But you're right, 760 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.239 top of mind is going to be the who are the registered voters that are 761 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.719 into UFOs and who are the ones who will not vote for me? Because 762 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:53.320 I'm asking about UFOs, I know, and on it goes right, yeah, 763 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:57.719 on a kind of a related topic. They're all related. A few 764 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:03.480 weeks ago, I spoke with former Air Force Colonel Charles Holt on my radio 765 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:10.519 show, and he's very vocal in his criticisms of how the military handles UFO 766 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:17.400 cases. Specifically, he suggests that the government and perhaps other nations as well, 767 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:25.000 are part of a UFO cover up that involves a secret agency that's really 768 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:32.360 overseeing all UFO related things that he says, it's an agency that receives classified 769 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:42.800 information from the so called three letter organizations like CIA, FBI, DoD NSA, 770 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.840 etc. And that they don't know what the other agencies are gathering and 771 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:55.119 passing on to this alleged super secret place. In fact, Captain Sallis on 772 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.239 my show last night, refers to this as a cabal, not just an 773 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:03.239 agency. It's a cabal. And this whole thing, it's like it's is 774 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:08.599 it a science fiction movie? No, this is reality, because really, 775 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:14.960 who's pulling the strings? Not just in our government. We can't forget this 776 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:20.840 is an international issue. And so if we assume that all the leaders of 777 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:29.039 all the nations know that there are strange objects operating in their skies, not 778 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:33.599 just in America, then everyone must be concerned to some degree on some level. 779 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:41.679 And so is it the United Nations that they're doing this under Perhaps not. 780 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:48.000 Colonel Hall thinks, no, it's above national boundaries. It's another organization 781 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:54.119 that's gathering this. And again I'm still wondering, and I still ask the 782 01:05:54.119 --> 01:06:00.119 same question of this cabal. Who's in charge, who's the lead either of 783 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.000 this so called cabal? And nobody has an answer to that. But boy, 784 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:10.000 it's a chilling thought. I think I think so too. I just 785 01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:13.760 don't believe in a cabal. I don't think it's a realistic idea. I 786 01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.639 think that all of these people are too disconnected. If there were a cabal, 787 01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:24.199 you by trying to control something like this, with all of these disparate 788 01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:30.679 different organizations scattered across the world, you would be exposing yourself and if you 789 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:34.400 wanted to remain secret, you couldn't do that. So I don't really buy 790 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:40.119 that. I do believe that there could be disinformation. There's got to be 791 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:44.719 disinformation campaigns going on. I think that's a real blind spot for the UFO 792 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.280 community that we haven't been really good at researching that. I feel that when 793 01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:53.320 I have done research, I have been stonewalled. For instance, in my 794 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:59.960 research of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations Agent who in the eighties released 795 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.960 fake documents that have really established a lot of the UFO mythology out there. 796 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:12.880 I definitely I got some information, but was lied to when I was gathering 797 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:16.559 that information. So there is a disinformation going on. But what disinformation? 798 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.679 And it would make sense that it would be I think a tool that would 799 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:27.519 be used by some people. So I think that's another area that we're going 800 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.039 to need to get into, especially if we have more access, and I 801 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.800 think that would be a great question, and it could be something on the 802 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:38.760 mind of the Senate committee. Why have you been lying to the public about 803 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:45.880 this topic and what have these lives been. Have there been disinformation campaigns against 804 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:50.079 US citizens, which is not something they're supposed to do regarding this topic, 805 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:56.400 even if it's innocent, even if it's well innocent in the way that we 806 01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:00.320 don't believe there's UFOs, but we wanted people to believe the UFOs. I 807 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:05.239 mean, in this document that revealed Area fifty one, you know, it's 808 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:11.079 a history of Area fifty one. There are U two engineers who have said 809 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:15.279 in there that they were happy with people believing that U two s were UFOs 810 01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:19.880 because the project was secret and they didn't want people to know. They encouraged 811 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:26.720 that. You know, Nick Pope admitted to you that they had employed what 812 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:31.079 he called spinning dirty tricks in the UK to throw the media off the trail. 813 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.920 So this sort of thing has been going on. But to what degree, 814 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.079 I think is really important to know. So I don't think there's a 815 01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:44.000 central cabal, but I do think there are a lot of various departments. 816 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.720 There's Chili who's doing great work. They have gone so far, and I 817 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.960 don't think any other country has done this to get a lot of officials together 818 01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:56.920 to determine. We don't think these things are malevolent in any way. They 819 01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:01.279 think that they're observing. But I think there are gon we shouldn't underestimate the 820 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:12.319 dysfunction. And I forget what John Alexander calls it, but something around incompetence 821 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.279 that can happen not just in our government but every government. And there could 822 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.760 be governments that are hiding their head in the sand they just don't want to 823 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:24.960 deal with the topic, whereas there are others who are probably being very proactive 824 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:30.239 about the topic. So it probably goes across the gamut there. It's all 825 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:34.680 great stuff. It's up to date. It seems like when you and I 826 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:41.000 get together like this, we never have a lack for to what just happened 827 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.920 this week or last week or in the last couple of Weeks's always something and 828 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:49.760 it would be nice, really finally, if it does lead down some trail 829 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:56.960 where the public is a beneficiary of all of this, all this investigation and 830 01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:06.119 information. I've always been interested in a proponent of disclosure. I'm not convinced 831 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:13.319 that ultimate UFO disclosure will happen in my lifetime. I think it would be 832 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:18.359 great. I don't know if the public really can handle all of it, 833 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.880 if it's all thrown out at us at once, maybe it really has to 834 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:29.000 come out little by little so people get acclimated to the idea that we're being 835 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:33.399 visited by someone something. I don't care who it is, where they come 836 01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:38.800 from, how they get here, I don't care. I'm satisfied after all 837 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:43.039 these years of studying it, I'm satisfied that Earth is being visited by something, 838 01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.159 and I think it's a wonderful thing. They don't seem to be here 839 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:51.960 to eat us. I don't think that that's the problem. I don't think 840 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:57.399 that they're here to take us over, as in an HG. Wells War 841 01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.640 of the World's scenario. But I do that there is something going on, 842 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.880 and I'll continue to report on it as I'm sure you will, because it's 843 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.760 the kind of thing that we can't get away. We just can't walk away 844 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.640 from this, and we want people to know the truth, whatever piece of 845 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:20.279 that truth there is. Yeah, I'm commenting here. I think another point 846 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:26.119 because a lot of people are jumping in on the disinfo thing, and I 847 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:31.880 think it's important because we don't really thoroughly investigate this possibility and what might be 848 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:40.359 disinformation. And someone just made a point here too, is that I won't 849 01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:45.760 name names kind of but essentially that perhaps someone involves with to the Stars is 850 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.800 a disinformation is I don't know that I would go that far because I know 851 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:54.840 these guys and it's I don't know, it's possible, anything's possible, but 852 01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:59.640 I think it would be very likely that they would be targets of disinformation. 853 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:05.119 I personally, for instance, especially lately, feel that some of the information 854 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:09.880 and or beliefs, and I've got to say beliefs because none of these are 855 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:15.399 things that are unproven that have been shared by some of those guys is very 856 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:20.840 dubious. I respect all of them so much, but like I said before, 857 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:26.880 anybody could get things wrong, So why are they talking about these really 858 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:31.199 dubious things? And it could be that they themselves are victims of disinformation. 859 01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.880 I think that would be very likely. I think in my investigation or in 860 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:42.000 my report that I did earlier this week, I demonstrated how this group of 861 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.680 people with a tip and with two of the stars there, it's not just 862 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.680 you know, it was kind of framed as this one guy, Lou Alizondo, 863 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.840 coming out with all this information, and he's probably a liar or a 864 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:59.479 disinformation is No. Lou was working with Bigelow and all of this group of 865 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:05.359 people who we have been working with and writing about for decades decades. This 866 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:12.319 is a group of people who have been working on researching the paranormal and trying 867 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:16.439 to do official projects with the government to research or to develop these sort of 868 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:21.399 paranormal programs, with some success at times. But they've been doing this for 869 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:27.800 decades. So if there were disinformation campaigns along the way, they would be 870 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.319 the perfect targets. They would be the people you would go after. And 871 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:35.800 it's entirely possible that they've fallen for some of these disinformation tricks. I think 872 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:40.000 that's something that we have to keep in mind. I think that we get 873 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:44.800 targeted. I get really weird information, and I think a lot of you 874 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.520 followists do where they say I've got a secret source who says he's an admiral, 875 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.880 or I've got a secret source who says he's a captain in the Navy, 876 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:56.560 and I can't tell you who he is, but here's what he's telling 877 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.359 me, and then they share all this wild information. You know, we've 878 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.640 heard this in the UFO community for years. I think they really are talking 879 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:08.279 to people. I get these emails and messages. I ignore them personally, 880 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.600 and I get you feel the same way you get. Question. If you're 881 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:15.079 not willing to go on the record, then quit wasting my time because I'm 882 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.840 not going to go down this rabbit hole. But I think that's the way 883 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:24.560 you have to treat it, Otherwise you can easily get sidetracked. I agree, 884 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:29.199 I agree people, that's what disinformation is all about. It's spreading misinformation. 885 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.800 And unless you're an expert on such matters, it's hard to tell who's 886 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:39.439 saying what and what could they possibly how could they benefit from the spread of 887 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.239 information? And it brings me back to the original question or the question I 888 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:48.199 always ask again, who's in control, who's pulling the strings about all of 889 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:55.279 this all around the world. I keep reminding myself that it's not just an 890 01:14:55.279 --> 01:15:01.800 American phenomenon that we're talking about. The phenomenon is everywhere. That was my 891 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:10.079 little slight plug for an upcoming movie called The Phenomenon. Yeah, so we've 892 01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:14.560 got to wrap up, and that's a good segue into doing that to talk 893 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:18.239 about you and what you're working on and where people can get information. You 894 01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:24.600 just mentioned a super exciting project you have been working on, and that's this 895 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.000 documentary with James Fox. I know you might not be able to share much, 896 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.560 but I guess that it's upcoming. It is upcoming. The film is 897 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:38.680 done. James has been working on it for a little over six years now. 898 01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:42.920 I spent the last three years working on it as one of the producers 899 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:48.479 and writers of the film. It's going to be we're going to be focusing 900 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:56.159 on We're not saying that we think that what's happening about UFOs is extraterrestrial. 901 01:15:56.680 --> 01:16:01.600 There are hints of that, not necessary from us, but from the people 902 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:06.479 who we've interviewed, and you and I have made several references to some of 903 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.520 those people's Christopher Mellen is in the movie. Senator Harry Reid is in the 904 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:16.920 movie. George Knapp. We've got an amazing clip from President Clinton from a 905 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.560 speech he once made that was very serious, where you talked about the possibility 906 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:27.399 that sitting presidents aren't always told everything, especially about UFOs. That was really 907 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.479 interesting to hear him say that. We've got that in the film. The 908 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:36.359 attitude that we're taking is one of the reasons why the governments of the world 909 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:45.079 haven't really been totally transparent about UFOs is simply because they don't know the answer. 910 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.640 They don't know the full truth. They may know certain aspects of things 911 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:54.720 that are going on, but the whole truth may still be kind of hard 912 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:59.520 to focus on. So with that, we've got a variety of high level 913 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.520 people mentioned John Podesto, he's in the film. We've got people talking about 914 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:10.520 it, and what we're hoping is that even de bunkers of UFOs in general 915 01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:16.800 will come away from this movie going having at least one I didn't know that 916 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:21.600 kind of moment when they see this. We've been very careful about who we've 917 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:27.920 interviewed and what's in the film. Now, originally we were going to we 918 01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.439 were going to have the premiere of it in early September in Los Angeles, 919 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:39.319 but this thing called the coronavirus hit and now nobody's showing any movies anywhere unless 920 01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:44.279 you can fit only fifty people into a theater, and so it's still on 921 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:48.600 hold, and we're just we're in limbo right now, waiting for the right 922 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.279 moment to release this, and we want to release it. We're going crazy. 923 01:17:54.520 --> 01:18:00.039 We want people to see this thing, and so it will happen for 924 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.920 any of your listeners or any audience who are interested in seeing the official trailer 925 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:09.319 of the film. If you haven't seen the trailer, just go to this 926 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:13.520 site. It's called the Phenomenon, which is the name of the movie, 927 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:19.840 The phenomenonfilm dot com. Let me repeat that, the phenomenonfilm dot com. 928 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:24.920 It'll take you to a nice page. It give you some background information about 929 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:28.479 the film. There'll be a lot of behind the scenes photos of what it 930 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:32.560 was like putting the film together, and there'll be the full trailer there for 931 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:38.119 you to look at. It's like all trailers, it's meant to be a 932 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:42.279 tease, but it's pretty good teas because we're not just going to present something 933 01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.079 that we can't fully back up when the whole movie comes out. I promise 934 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:51.079 you that does that look right on the screen. There they Phenomenon Phenomena film 935 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:54.800 dot com. Yeah, that's it. Okay, So there you go. 936 01:18:55.279 --> 01:19:00.520 And then, of course, yeah, I know I miss popcorn. That's 937 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.760 the only time I popcorn is at the movies because I can't resist it and 938 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.279 it's not part of my diet, So don't you at any part. Years 939 01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:14.239 years and years ago, the the movie critics Ciskel and eBird Geene. Siskel 940 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:16.840 used to always say that whenever he'd go into a movie or a screening room 941 01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.640 to look at a new movie, he always brought a briefcase and he was 942 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:23.920 allowed to bring it in because he was a critic, so he was there 943 01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.800 to see movies. But then he would go there and he would sit down 944 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.319 and he would open up his briefcase and he'd pull out his homemade popcorn. 945 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:34.319 How funny. I didn't know that. I met him too several times, 946 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:43.760 but nice guy. And then otherwise you are also doing your podcast on k 947 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:49.680 g R a g ra It's on Thursday nights between eight pm and ten pm 948 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:54.520 Eastern Time, wherever you happen to be, and if you if you happen 949 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:59.520 to miss it the live broadcast, then the next day on the archives. 950 01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:03.920 The the actual podcast version of it is available for free. And so it's 951 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:09.079 out there, and like you always trying to come up with the really really 952 01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:14.079 interesting guests to put out there. It's fun to do, it's fun to 953 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.359 work on, and I learn a lot. This is for me. I 954 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:20.840 feel like I'm going back to school with every person that I interview, and 955 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:25.239 I like that. I'm just glad to take a test like I used to 956 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:29.560 have to take in school. But yeah, this is just great to do 957 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.920 and I enjoy it, and I'm sure you do too, and I love 958 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:36.600 coming on your shows that I'm looking forward to the next time we can do 959 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:42.520 our year end UFO report. But we won't be doing that till what December 960 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:46.520 maybe, Yeah, so it'll probably come quickly half a year away. But 961 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:50.000 yeah, it's going to be an interesting one. I have a feeling that 962 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:55.880 there's going to be a lot of really great breaking news that will be coming 963 01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:01.560 on a weekly basis. I make a prediction when we do our next year 964 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:05.560 end report, many of the things that you and I will choose to talk 965 01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:11.119 about we just talked about in this podcast. Yeah, I think you're probably 966 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:15.680 right and hopefully some results. Although one thing we didn't mention as far as 967 01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.079 the results is that the report isn't doing until March twenty twenty one, so 968 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:26.640 even if this does pass, it's going to be quite some time till we 969 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.239 see that report. Well, we'll give us more news next year, right, 970 01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.399 well, at least in our year end Report of twenty twenty. It 971 01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.079 will have been because it already is one of the big UFO stories so far 972 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:41.199 this year. Yeah, exactly, for sure. Well, thank you so 973 01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.199 much for being here, Lee, thank you, thank you Alejandro, my 974 01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:47.680 friend. As I say to everyone at the end of my show, please 975 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:55.119 stay safe, stay healthy, and please keep your distance. It's a great 976 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:58.720 comment. Usually I just say at the end of my show, like I'll 977 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.960 do now to wrap this up, Adios, smooth chatos.