1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,599 Hello, fellow global citizens, do you have the moment to talk about veganism. 2 00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:18,800 The truly grassroots vegan revolution needs your help. The climate is changing and 3 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,199 it won't stop until we all do what the good grown ups on the TV 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,440 tell us to do. If we all don't do exactly what Big finance and 5 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:31,679 the smart grown ups at the un IMF, World Bank, big Foundations and 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,759 Fortune one hundred say, this poor sixteen year old human shield won't get her 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,560 future back. This is a real emergency, and there is no time to 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,880 ask questions. Yeah, and what have you done to change your life? 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,240 Like you said, you do things that you can do to look yourself in 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,119 the iron end and know you've done enough. What have you done? I 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,200 have done. I have stopped flying, and I have gone vegan. I 12 00:00:57,359 --> 00:01:03,079 have a shop stop. Don't buy new things unless you absolutely have to. 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Oh, hi, there it's ellen degenerous here. I was scrolling through the 14 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,239 gram and I noticed that a lot of people are talking about eating less meat, 15 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,120 which I think is a fantastic idea. It's a great idea for the 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,480 planet, it's a great idea for your health, it's a great idea for 17 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,879 the animal's health. So eat less meat. Unless you're a vegan and you 18 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,200 don't eat meat already, than good for you, so you don't even need 19 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:30,480 to pay attention to this. But for the people who do eat meat, 20 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,640 just try to eat less of it, just maybe just maybe eat it less 21 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:40,439 once a week or none a week, or just you know, if you 22 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,879 eat it every night, don't eat it every night, eat it less than 23 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:49,000 that. You know, four nights a week would be okay, but like 24 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:52,760 three or two nights or just one night a week would be the best. 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Anyway, It's really the point is it's better for you, and it's better 26 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:00,640 for the environment and for the animals. Eat less meat hashtag eat us meat, 27 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,079 hey, be neat no meat, be neat eat us meat hashtag be 28 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:14,280 neat, eat less meat hashtag bye bye. I believe we need to reallocate 29 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:20,439 the world's resources because sharing is crucial. The Gammon crisis is a battle for 30 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:28,680 solidarity, a battle for human rights and children's rights. I feel so powerful 31 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,080 knowing that Helen de Generous and courageous sixteen year old human Shield Greta are also 32 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:38,039 vegan activists saving the planet with me. The UN needs to reallocate all the 33 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,840 world's land and resources. The science is clear. The smart adults from science 34 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,319 say that the global mega corporations in the World Business Council for Sustainable Development like 35 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:58,479 Bayamont, Santo, unilevera Cargill, Shell Akeia Neslei in the put philanthropists of 36 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:06,879 the Rockefeller Foundation, the MacArthur Foundation, the World Resources Institute, the IMF 37 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,719 and the World Bank will all help reallocate all the world's land and resources and 38 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,800 ration as sustainable nutrient fortified plant based kibble so we can stop off gasing toxic 39 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:23,319 CO two and polluting the world with toxic human babies. The British Royal family, 40 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:28,800 close friends of philanthropists Jimmy Sevel and Jeffrey Epstein, just want to help 41 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,960 us reallocate the world's resources to save us from the climate. With all of 42 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,639 that activism, some might think you be exhausted. But look at you and 43 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,599 listen to you. You know the secret that in fighting, that in giving 44 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,960 back, in fighting the good fight, it doesn't exhaust you. It energizes 45 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:55,800 you. This is an emergency and we must do this now. Climate change 46 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:05,080 is a humanitarian issue, not a political The transnational corporations, banks and philanthropists 47 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,719 like the UN, the Royal Family, Jimmy Saville and Jeffrey Epps. Time 48 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,279 need to reallocate the world's resources and feed us nutrient fortified plant based kibble to 49 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,800 make everything happy and equal. Being vegan is so easy and healthy. I 50 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,399 am not a bigot. I will do this for the planet and the children. 51 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:29,680 Let's take a look at vegan YouTube for some recipes for sustainable vegan cuisine 52 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,240 we can eat in order to save Mammy Earth from the real, credible death 53 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,720 threats from the climate. How to do vegan in a food court? Everyone's 54 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,920 got a food court in a shop of mornie you. Let's do one here, 55 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,279 Let's go. I am so empowered as a member of this truly grassroots 56 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:48,319 and not corporate controlled revolution for the animals and the planet against the bigot science 57 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:54,600 denials who won't obey the good grown ups on the TV. Vegan pretzel available 58 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,839 here. Okay, now, most food courts are pretty much the same, 59 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,439 all right. Now, First, stuff on the left, sushi you find 60 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,560 any sushi place, they do vegan sushi at every single sushi place. You 61 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,439 make sure they don't put mayonnaise or anything that's not vegan, any sort of 62 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,839 weird fish. Stuff on there weird fish stuff in real animal foods are so 63 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,160 mean and bad and don't belong on my vegan so sushi suffocated and stab to 64 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,319 dead, packed up into pieces to be put in sushi, when you can 65 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,000 have vegetables in sushi. Tofu and sushi. So many things you can have 66 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,879 in sushi. Dad. There are so many good, nice things made of 67 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,079 soy that we can have instead of bad, mean, gross, racist real 68 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:38,720 foods. You white choose rotting dead fish when you can have vegan sushi bomb 69 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:43,040 straight away a vegan box. Most places do a vegan box. Now. 70 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:47,240 You don't want to eat any murdered fish here, look mercury fish suffering death, 71 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,759 No point a vegan box. Delicious, Look at that one, really 72 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:57,399 good. You can always get out of maami beans as well, a little 73 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:02,519 seaweed salad as well, or you can ask them to pare animal fruits so 74 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:08,600 gross, so sad, so bad. SOI replacements, so happy, so 75 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:15,199 tolerant, so good. Sushi places will always look after you. It is 76 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,920 so much more healthy and sustainable to eat tofuu made from mass produced GMO monsanto 77 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:26,360 soy grown by some of the extra people in South America living under a puppet 78 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,639 government military dictatorship funded by massive IMIR flows, given under the condition that all 79 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:38,120 the extr rural people their grow patented GMO soy and corn for export instead of 80 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,680 their heritage crops and spray pesticides and herbicides lie crowned up on all their soil 81 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:47,160 and devalue their currency, so they become debt slaves and must sell their labor, 82 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:53,279 land and resources for cheap to the fortune one hundred companies and members of 83 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:57,839 the World Business Council for Sustainable Development who can strip mine at the end of 84 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,199 their deaf slaves, grow industrial to ship to China for processing in to cheap 85 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:08,519 round up forty five tofu kibble they can sell to social engineered decord and distracted 86 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:15,439 narcissistic questionners who these transnational corporations and banks educated into thinking they're saving the planet 87 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,279 by doing exactly what the big investment banks and transnational corporations tell the screens they 88 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:26,519 worship to tell them to do. You can easily have instead of tendory murdered 89 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:32,240 animals, you can have tendory tofu, tendor stay tan, you know whatever 90 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:39,600 other old plant alternative other than pieces of flesh from an animal purchasing. This 91 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,600 is powerful activism and will help the IMF give sustainable debt to all those extr 92 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,240 rural people who grow my cheap food. The World Bank and transnational corporations are 93 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:55,160 helping us help those extra South American and African debt slaves to go green and 94 00:07:55,279 --> 00:08:00,360 stop breathing toxic co two and killing and eating innocent animals, so we can 95 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:05,120 all move into corporate controlled, total surveillance smart city coffin apartments and pay for 96 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:11,519 our fortified vegan kibble, pharmaceutical drugs, and VR porn with social carbon credits 97 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,839 to save the planet from the totally real and not made up hashtag climate. 98 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Chris Vegan, Oh well this is veggie. Okay, so they've got veggie 99 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,319 and vegan separated, which is good. These are all the animal body parts 100 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,079 that you don't want to be eating. Merry Christmas, Not so merry for 101 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,840 the animals. Let's have a look here. Oh, eggs are not vegan 102 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:41,039 obviously. Oh here look avocado and toast. Well, that looks really nice. 103 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,679 This jittery effeminates thirty one year old boomer is so inspirational to me as 104 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,559 a vegan activist. He is the best at purchasing vegan kibble. I wish 105 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:56,000 everyone could know how good it feels to eat soy and corn based vegan kibble 106 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,679 instead of real animal foods. I do not even miss real animal foods. 107 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,159 Real animal foods are mean and gross and not even good. Mass produced vegan 108 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,480 corporate kibble is way healthier and tastier and nicer and make me so happy. 109 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,600 If we don't all do this, the climate will keep changing and all the 110 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:18,240 bad things will happen, and Bambi and Simba will be murdered every day always. 111 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,399 Any of these cakes vegan? Oh my god, those cookies are Oh 112 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,120 no, I was just that says veggie, not vegan, So I was 113 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,879 just saying that these are vegan. Oh wow, awesome. Yeah, that's 114 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:41,919 cool. I had the thank you very much talk Bybee still tasted of this 115 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:56,519 soup. Oh my lord, that's that's amazing. Wow, arch of you. 116 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,080 I can't think of a better thing for them to movem bro. I 117 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,879 think one of the biggest issues with people going vegan is also the convenience factor. 118 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Yeah, it's too hard. What we're going to do. This is 119 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,000 where I eat. I go to this supermarket, I go to this restaurant, 120 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,200 I get this fast food. I am not being used. I am 121 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,759 a grass roots activist saving the animals and the planet. I have not been 122 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:30,000 duped beyond Burger in all of their stores, and they advertise it every start 123 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,799 of dry pass, huge billboards on the highway. I'm like, player based 124 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,840 meat options. This is amazing. Wow, they're really normalizing it. There 125 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:43,200 the convenience factors through the roof. Yeah, incredible, unstry, absolutely, 126 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,879 and and they're selling out of it, so that's timportance. They did the 127 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:52,000 same at a in double. The veganism is healthy and rebellious. Animal foods 128 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,679 are not necessary. All our ancestors just take them because the patriarchy and capitalism 129 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,720 twelve Bowel movement today is normal and enjoyable. Spoy is a great replacement for 130 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,240 everything. Doctor Gregor is not frightening. If we don't all do this, 131 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,120 the planet will die. Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and was working all alone. 132 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,919 If I spend more energy on vegan activism, I will stop craving real animal 133 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,559 foods and questioning. They go with their big friends. The bigger friends suggest 134 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,120 wanting to just try it. Try this. People start saying, oh, 135 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,240 this is delicious and I feel pretty good that it isn't actually an animal. 136 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,600 I don't like causing animal cruelty. I heard these are healthier as well. 137 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,320 They're better for the planet to they have just as much protein. It's huge. 138 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,840 It makes a lot of sense. It's huge. They have millions of 139 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,519 dollars in marketing, They have restaurants all over the world. They can reach 140 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,399 the mainstream like no other. They're doing all that adver twice and for us. 141 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Yeah, I'm like, thanks, thanks for sparing the vegan message for 142 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,759 us. I'm so stoked. I saw the same people who were emotionally against 143 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:58,840 KFC, we're happily walking to Starbucks and get the get no larger. These 144 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,000 vegan activists are mentally and physically healthy, and I'm not sickly effeminist head cases 145 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:09,159 being used by multinational corporations, global banks, and big money foundations to push 146 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,600 the transnational resource consolidation agenda. I want to reach those low income families that 147 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,879 are just getting meat. They never heard of vegan before, and they got 148 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,879 They're walking to McDonalds and there's a MG vegan there totally, and they can 149 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,840 choose that over the slaughtered, enslaved dairy cow's body. That's mind stuff in 150 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:26,559 the other burgers. You know, absolutely, man, And I think that 151 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,440 you know, yes, KFC, they kill so many chicks, so many 152 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,919 dead chickens. Really in tons of realize it's not it's horrific. Yeah. 153 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,639 But if anyone can change anyone else, work has change. We change, 154 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,360 people change, businesses changed too. And if I was like, you can't 155 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,799 support KFC, you must only I just think like, we don't. We're 156 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,840 not in a position to have that flexibility to go. You could only buy 157 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,279 vegan food from here. We need people buying vegan food from wherever it's available. 158 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,279 You know, the world's like, oh my god. We need radical 159 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,200 change. We need radical change. We need people working from below. We 160 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,679 need direct action from a bottling in corporations putting on leading officers. We need 161 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:16,120 everything works together. The money is there. If we can save the banks, 162 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:30,919 if then we can save the world. I mean, I mean, 163 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,639 there's if there's something we are not lacking in this world's much long time coming 164 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:43,519 the stream. It's been a long time coming, but it's finally here. 165 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:48,519 I'm here with Jay Dyer. Jay, can you hear me? Can you 166 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:50,039 hear me? JJ's in the background there. I can hear him shuffling around. 167 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,440 He'll be here in a second. He'll be here in a second. 168 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:56,159 What's up, guys. It's got a bunch of people waiting. One hundred 169 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,480 and thirty people waiting right now. All right, If you guys have issues, 170 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,039 just refresh it. Sometimes you might give buffering issues. Yesterday, we 171 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,639 tried to do this. We tried to do this yesterday, but there was 172 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,320 an issue with the fiber optic allegedly. Allegedly there was a car accident and 173 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,200 it wrecked the fiber optic cable. What timing right? What timing? But 174 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:22,840 I'm here, I got Jay Dyer queued up? Jayar is about to jump 175 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:31,320 in. And we are talking today about why veganism is a moral obligation? 176 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Veganism a moral obligation? Is veganism a moral obligation? Are we all morally 177 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,120 obliged to be vegan? We're gonna talk about the vegan worldview. We're gonna 178 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,120 talk about some of these arguments that vegans make. We're gonna talk about some 179 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,720 of the some of the vegan debate tactics. And I know Jay j can 180 00:14:50,759 --> 00:15:00,480 hear me you there? Man? Where you at? Jay qued up? 181 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Don't worry, guys, we had a little bit of a misunderstanding on the 182 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,600 time zones. But Jay's here right now. Let's see if I can. 183 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:15,840 Let's pull Jay up. Nope, all right, we got a bunch of 184 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:18,440 people in the chat. What's up Carnival. We've got Norwegian Noose in the 185 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,279 chat. You guys, make sure to check out his channel. We got 186 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,399 a bunch of the usuals up in the chat today. We've got a lot 187 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,000 of changes going on the Primal Edge Health channel here as you can see them. 188 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,799 In my new my studio, my office. The acoustics aren't perfect because 189 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,240 I got high ceilings. Check it out. I like the ceilings. They're 190 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,360 real pretty high ceilings. Not the best acoustics, but we'll figure it out. 191 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,559 Maybe I'll get some stuff on the walls there. It might put some 192 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,759 wood, some wood panels up on the wall. Maybe get some sheep skins, 193 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:52,799 that'd be nice. If I can get a bunch of apoca skins. 194 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Anybody want to donate a whole room full of Apoka skins? Oh happily believes 195 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:10,720 set that donation to get the audio good in here. All right, So 196 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:15,240 today we're talking about veganism. Is veganism a moral obligation, whereas veganism a 197 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:21,120 cultural virus. Is it a moral obligation or cultural virus? I think it's 198 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,480 kind of funny when we see some of these vegan activists, as like those 199 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,879 guys James Aspy and Joey Carbstrong, they're applauding KFC. Right, these people 200 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,480 believe that that there is an animal holocaust, and they use this language very 201 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,639 regularly. There's an animal holocaust going on, there is an animal holocaust happening. 202 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:45,759 We need total animal liberation now, total animal liberation now. But how 203 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:52,120 great is it that KFC literally Hitler of the animal holocaust, that KFC will 204 00:16:52,159 --> 00:17:07,279 sell us plut based kibbl How lovely a right waiting for jay? I heard 205 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,680 him. He's pouring some coffee. Now there he goes, he's poorn some 206 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,960 coffee. He's gonna show up and in just a minute. So veganism has 207 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,799 a moral obligation or a cultural virus. Obviously, we believe that animal foods 208 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:23,359 are absolutely crucial, and even vegans believe that animal foods are absolutely crucial. 209 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,119 All right, Vegans believe it, admit that there are nutrients that they're not 210 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:32,960 able to obtain from a vegan diet, namely vitamin B twelve. A lot 211 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,559 of them have to supplement things like zinc. It's very deficient in heme iron, 212 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:44,359 bioavailable iron that's actually digestible and assimilable by humans. They admit this readily. 213 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,559 They admit that the vegan diet is nutrient deficient. They admit that you 214 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,440 require animal foods if you're not going to be living off of supplements. And 215 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:59,200 some of these vegan doctors even talk about the dangers of supplementation. They talk 216 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,720 about how you don't want to be on pills the rest of your life. 217 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,920 As a way to try and sell the vegan diet. Right there was a 218 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,079 video on It was a vegan phobic I think it is this channel. He 219 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,440 made a mash up video of some of these vegan doctors talking about how we 220 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,680 should all go vegan, we should all change our diet so that we can 221 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:21,960 actually be healthy. You do not have to be on pharmaceutical drugs and pills, 222 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,160 all right, Well, as I absolutely agree that we shouldn't all be 223 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:29,920 on pharmaceutical drugs and pills. It's so funny because out of one side of 224 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,519 their mouth they're going to tell you we shouldn't have to take pills to stay 225 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,839 alive. We shouldn't have to take pills for our health. We should be 226 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,039 able to manage our health using dietary changes, using lifestyle changes. A lot 227 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:47,400 of them promote what's called lifestyle medicine, but actually lifestyle medicine. The groups 228 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,279 that promote this are actually funded by Seventh Day Adventists, a religious group, 229 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,759 a religious cult, a new age religious cult that's been around since the eighteen 230 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:00,359 hundreds. It is based off of channeling ghosts. Right. L and G. 231 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,839 White used to go into trances. Her eyes would roll back in the 232 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:11,640 back of her head, frying out in trances, learning from the spirits what 233 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,960 we should eat? All right, the Seventh Day of ventis fun lifestyle medicine. 234 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:25,759 The lifestyle medicine movement is also promoted by companies like Coca Cola. All 235 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:29,200 right, but then these same doctors who say we should use lifestyle medicine to 236 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,720 get off of pharmaceutical drugs. You know what they'll say. They'll say, 237 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,559 you've got to take vitamin B twelve on your vegan diet because they admit that 238 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:42,440 it's nutrient deficient. They admit that the vegan diet has inherent nutrient deficiencies. 239 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:49,359 That's my connection. By the way, I got a message that that it 240 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,440 cut out for a second from YouTube. It got a new fiber optic line. 241 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:56,279 It's been a little bit shoddy the last couple of days. We tried 242 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:03,640 to do this stream yesterday and it totally cut out. All right, I 243 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,960 think it's good. I think we're good. Now. If it does start 244 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:12,039 to load, just refresh the page. All right, let me go over 245 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:14,960 here to the chat and see what's going on here. Talk to the chat 246 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,480 a little bit. People say the connection is good. The Norwegian news says 247 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,799 vegan baby killers. I mean this is another thing, right, I mean 248 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:26,079 these people they talk about speciesism, they talk about they make arguments like, 249 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,279 well, we're all just animals, which we're going to get into that one. 250 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,720 They make arguments like we're all just animals. We're all the same. 251 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,960 Rizza says, we are all the same dog, your wool tang for the 252 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:42,039 children, We all the same. We all just rats and quick as and 253 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,200 cows. Yo, he did a peda ad. I would show the peda 254 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,160 ad right now, but last time I showed that ad, I actually got 255 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,559 a copyright claim filed against the video. They'll say we're all the same, 256 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,640 we're all just animals. Yet in their worldview they want to hold human beings 257 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,920 more responsible for not eating animals, but they don't want to hold animals responsible 258 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:08,759 for what they consider murder. They say it's murder to kill and eat animals, 259 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,559 it's murder to kill and eat animals. Yet how do they fight against 260 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,400 these mass murderers. How do they fight against the so called animal holocaust that 261 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,960 they claim they believe in? Well, they buy vegan kibble from KFC. 262 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:30,720 They buy vegan kibble from KFC, and they larp online like activists and call 263 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,559 people murderers. If you really believed that we were murderers, if you really 264 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:41,000 believed this, wou didn't you do more? Wouldn't you actually do something to 265 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:48,119 stop it rather than just babbling about it online? I mean, there's so 266 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,839 many ways in which their arguments fall apart. There's so many ways that you 267 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:56,279 can attack these vegan arguments. The most important thing, in my opinion, 268 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,599 is looking at their worldview, looking at the coherence of their worldview. Because 269 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:07,079 their worldview is incoherent and it falls apart and it crumbles in the weight of 270 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,559 their own claims. So Jay Dyer, the guest today. He's really good 271 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:18,319 at breaking down worldviews and looking at the basic presuppositions of worldviews, and he's 272 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,279 done some great debates on it in the past, so he's a great candidate 273 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,160 to talk about this stuff. Jay, Where you at, dude? Where 274 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:48,319 you at? Man? All right, let's see if we can get Jay 275 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,240 back in here. I might just have to do this as a solo stream. 276 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:56,519 Guys, he's in my chat, all right, so let me come 277 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:00,440 over here to the or he's in my zoom. We got a zoom right 278 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,359 now, he's here. Don't worry. It's not just me. It's not 279 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,440 just me, guys, all right, let me come over here to the 280 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,119 to the chat. How many animals are poisoned and hunted for plantag I mean, 281 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,839 that's another thing. They don't want to be consistent about that at all. 282 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,079 They don't want animals to die. They don't want They believe it's murder. 283 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:22,200 They believe meat is murder. Yet, how are they gonna stop it? 284 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,680 They're gonna call you names online? How are they gonna stop it? 285 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:33,440 They're gonna eat vegan KFC instead? What's up? Jay Dyer? It was 286 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,559 cracking man. Good to have you here. We got Jay die here. 287 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:38,319 Everybody, Jay Dyer's in the house. Let's get an audio check somebody in 288 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,160 the audience, maybe Norwegian News. Can you let us know if our audio 289 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,519 levels are unequal and tell me who to turn up or who to turn down, 290 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,880 just so we make sure everything's good for the audience. Welcome Jay Dyer. 291 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,440 You got to pick up every stitch. It's a season of the Witch. 292 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:02,400 Mhm. Has anybody ever told you you have the voice of an angel? 293 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,839 Yes, I'm sure, okay, I'm sure. I open my morning 294 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,119 window and I do that every morning, I say, and I wake in 295 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,680 the morning, and I step outside, and I take a deep breath, 296 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:25,799 and what's going on? Every falls into a line and comes along and says, 297 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,519 mister Dawry, you have the voice of an e No that well, 298 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:37,440 first, all the neighbors have to go, And I said, I said, 299 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,640 what's going there? We're just gonna do it. We're just gonna do 300 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:48,799 nineties jukebox today. We're just we're gonna seeing Creed songs together. Can you 301 00:24:48,000 --> 00:25:07,039 talk me doube? Well, see there we go going to change were the 302 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:22,559 arms welcome? I tell you're welcome. Everybody, You're welcome, all right? 303 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,400 That's it. We're done. We'll see you guys next time. Streams 304 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,039 over. We can do we can do live veganism refuted, debunked. We're 305 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:37,920 done, Mike drop. All right, guys, So we finally got Jay 306 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,799 here. J. How you doing? Man? What's what's new with you? 307 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,680 What's on the J diary channel? Nothing? I was just trying to 308 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:49,319 jump up rush and uh, I was gonna quote the Rebecca Black. How's 309 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:55,119 the Rebecca Black song? Go about gotta get downstairs, gotta have my cere 310 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 al, gotta know that. So I don't know that one. I don't 311 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,599 know that when someone says, this is you do Friday Friday? But Rebecca 312 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,160 Black, you know that it's like the most infamous worst Internet song of all 313 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,359 time. I have to look it up. Man, I'm sorry, I 314 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:15,480 blew it. My My repertoire is I like nineties songs, some early two 315 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:23,240 thousands. I we can sing some more Creed if you want some some BLA 316 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,480 don't have to sing. We don't have to sing. I know you. 317 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:32,599 I know you gotta and no lack say that. My life is preated plain. 318 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:44,759 I love the Angel opens, Hurrah, colding Christius, anumb of the 319 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:59,599 Cry. Else how come everybody in the nineties sung like that. Creed was 320 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,839 the last one. He was the last one to hold out. He was 321 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:08,359 intolbody. Even Hoodie sung that way. I try to think of a hoodie 322 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:19,000 sound of a hoody song. Rather was a song, Oh my han Alanis 323 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:25,279 Morissett, Remember Atlantis, She went in the back to get high. I 324 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,920 sat on the roof and just cried and fell sorry for myself. Letter cry 325 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:47,200 as the tears rolled down that way. That's beautiful, Tristan cry. All 326 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,480 right, that's enough of that, you guys. We're here to debunk some 327 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,279 of the most common vegan arguments. I know Jay took extensive notes and we 328 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,839 started doing this yesterday, but we got rudely cut off by allegedly a car 329 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,920 accident that ran into my fiber off the cable, is what I've been told, 330 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,400 But you know who knows, who knows. But today we're going to 331 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,160 talk about all this this vegan argument madness, and let me actually got to 332 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,720 adjust the window here. Can I quote one last thing before we move on 333 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,799 to the seriousness? Absolutely? Can you sing it? I found it yes 334 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,359 seven am, waking up in the morning. Gotta be fresh, gotta go 335 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,720 downstairs. Gotta have my bowl, got a half cereal, see you in 336 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,720 everything. The time is going ticking on and on. Everybody's rushing. Gotta 337 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,319 get down to the bus stop, Gotta catch my bus. Gotta see my 338 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,480 friends kicking in the front seat, sit in in the back seat. Gotta 339 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:47,839 make up my mind which seat and I take? Damn, dude, Black 340 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,960 has it? Wow? Okay, you gotta watch that. Yeah, you 341 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,200 gotta watch that vide. If you've never seen that, I sent it to 342 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960 you. You can do it later. But yeah, I don't have to 343 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,039 do it right now. She's known as having the worst song of all time 344 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,599 and it has like one hundred and fifty million billion views. I like it. 345 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,880 I like it, Like I said the Voice of an Angel. There's 346 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,000 gonna be there's probably some recruiters from from Hollywood in the chat right now. 347 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:21,519 Who are just you I have to sleep with to get my contract? Show 348 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:22,079 us that? Can I see that? Sure? Dude? All I see 349 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:26,599 is the pee wee he man. Sorry, this is shout out to Jim 350 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Bob. This is one of Jim Bob's designs, and that's sick Man made 351 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,400 by Jimbob because find made by Jim Bob. On Instagram made by Jimbob at 352 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,920 made by jim Bob. He's got a great Instagram, great cartoonist, funny 353 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,039 dude. And yes, it's the same short I had on last night. 354 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,599 So there. I had the same headphones I wore last night too. Okay, 355 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,880 so I got my logical fallacies chart. I'm ready. We're all ready 356 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960 to look at the vegan arguments. There we go. We're gonna look at 357 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,160 the vegan logical fallacies today, the common vegan arguments, because we're all just 358 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,599 animals, bro right, We're all just animals. We're all the same. 359 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,200 I've got Vegan foot soldier who I had a debate with, Vegan foot soldier, 360 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,359 a friendly discussion debate a while ago. I've got a picture of from 361 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,440 his instagram. Right here, Vegan foot soldier showing his KFC his vegan kibble 362 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,200 from KFC, because of course, the best way to fight the animal holocaust 363 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:29,359 is to buy the plant based kibble from literally Hitler. Colonel Sanders, Yeah, 364 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,720 dude, if you took off the glasses and if you got rid of 365 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,440 that go tee of Colonel Sanders, it would kind of be a look like 366 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,960 me. Actually, Colonel Sanders, did you not you notice that that he 367 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,559 made him look like a hipster. He's like a hipster. Oh, he's 368 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,880 got the wine mom haircut. You got a wine mom haircut. He's got 369 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,079 the hipster glasses and some kind of weird go tee and he's got this bow 370 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,799 tie. He's not actually a colonel from the Civil War. He's just like 371 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,759 a hipster douchebag. Yeah. Well, like three years, he'll be a 372 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:03,160 lesbian. Uh, he'll be a lesbian catwoman, cat lady. If you 373 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,720 if you just got rid of the goateee, he would look like that social 374 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,559 justice lesbian. Then they can convert all of KFC into like a vegan. 375 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,880 Yeah, well that seems to be the name of the game now right this 376 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920 the vegan junk food is going to save the world. The beyond burgers are 377 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,319 going to save the world. This is how we're going to do it. 378 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:29,319 So let's let's see. I've got a we pulled up. We had a 379 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,319 we started yesterday. We showed a couple of pictures from PETA, everybody's favorite 380 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,000 animal rights organization, should What rights should animals? Should animals have? Says 381 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:44,200 this article from PETA. Peter likes to put out ads like this one. 382 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:49,279 With Joaquin Phoenix, and it says, right here we moving on the screen, 383 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:53,039 we are all animals. We are all animals, man bro, We're 384 00:31:53,079 --> 00:32:00,559 all start us say the same bomb bomb wou tang for the chill, old 385 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,839 dirty bastard, or rape rest in peace, my cousin, old dirty bastard. 386 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000 So yeah, I think what I was saying yesterday was that you get 387 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,559 basically just a naturalistic assumption. Here is the first criticism I would make is 388 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:21,119 the idea that because humans and animals share common characteristics, they must be the 389 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,920 same. And you get this kind of argument with people like ask yourself. 390 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,240 We'll say things like, well, if you can't find for me some special 391 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:35,119 naturalistic material trait that distinguishes an animal from a human, then if you're not 392 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,559 going to eat a human, you shouldn't need an animal because they're both quote 393 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,880 sentience. So sentience becomes this special category. But as you pointed out, 394 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,359 what exactly a sentience on a naturalistic world view, you don't know. Nobody 395 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,039 knows. The people who do philosophy of mind, the people who do consciousness 396 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:58,680 from consciousness research and study from a materialist standpoint, cannot tell you. And 397 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,039 typically they just don't think gets real. Most of the world who has that 398 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,160 worldview just simply says, there's not really consciousness. I mean, it's helpful 399 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,240 maybe to think that we have consciousness, or or that we that we have 400 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,400 a soul of self. There's not really a soul or of self. It's 401 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920 just this placeholder. It's just this false notion that we have, and what 402 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,279 we are really experiencing is just the illusion of self identity and consciousness, because 403 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:30,920 your mind is just the process of an infinite regress of chemical reactions, right 404 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:36,200 right. And what they'll say is consciousness can be measured through neurotransmitters, all 405 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,880 right, So they're they're they're trying to link up causality with neurotransmitters. They'll 406 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,119 say, well, because you know, look we've got seratotin and dopamine receptors 407 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,640 and we've got electrical signals in the brain. Therefore that's consciousness. Well it's 408 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,960 I mean, that's that's an assumption that's unproven and unprovable. In their world 409 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:58,119 it is it's also still just part of the chemical determined process. So just 410 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,559 the it's like, you know, you're a computer is firing, you know, 411 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:08,559 electrical impulses, signals, electricity, is going through my computer. It's 412 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,760 still a determined process. That doesn't mean my computer has free will. And 413 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,039 I mean the people who have these kinds of worldviews Daniel Dennett, they love 414 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:20,800 to liken people to computers. You're just a determined machine. The same way 415 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,440 with these with with this mindset is that you're just a biological machine. Right, 416 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,159 So how do we get rights out of this? This is the key 417 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,760 point I was just trying to stress yesterday was that if that's the state of 418 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,880 affairs, if that's what is, how do you get from it? Is 419 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,639 to an aught? This is human's dilemma because aughts are the domain of ethics. 420 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,360 Is is the domain of what we're saying exists. Right, It's a 421 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,800 metaphysical statement, even if we don't believe in doing metaphysics, it is a 422 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:52,079 metaphysical claim or statement that what exists is just natural uh, pure pure physicalism, 423 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,920 naturalism, materialism. So that's the assumption of a lot of people. 424 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,239 That's kind of the normy worldview. Right. We grow up with this assumption 425 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,280 that oh, you know, we're just cosmic pond scum that evolved from from 426 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,159 stardust. Right, we're stardust farts that evolved out of the cosmic nothingness, 427 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,599 out of the void, and we popped out of the Yoni of nothingness, 428 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:22,639 and now we are just these determined, completely completely determined, robotic beings. 429 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,400 So then okay, so without even going to their pre presuppositions and picking apart 430 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,159 the you know, the silliness of the atheist materialistic worldview, if they assume 431 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,280 that, aren't they being a little bit hypocritical by giving us moral agency? 432 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,559 I mean, if we're just automatons, if we're just robotic beings, why 433 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,000 should we be expected to do anything? Aren't we just acting out exactly what 434 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,719 we're meant to act out? Isn't it all just predetermined? We're just billiard 435 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,280 balls bouncing and bouncing around in a cold, meaningless universe. Absolutely, you 436 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:59,199 would have the ultimate leveling of all states of affairs. So what happens just 437 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,480 happens. One event or phenomena is not better or worse than some other event. 438 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,719 They just are. So when we start saying that you should do this 439 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,639 or this is better than that, we're immediately bringing in these categories, these 440 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,440 notions that are ethical and metaphysical. Because if you want to talk about the 441 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,800 good, what's good for a being, what's good for a quote species or 442 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,400 whatever. That's a metaphysical thing. It's not a we don't have any self 443 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,679 evident notion of what the good is in that worldview. We need to know 444 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,559 what is the good? Is the good to depopulate most of the human species? 445 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:42,039 Or is that the best for the elite? Should we take the top 446 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,519 you know, highest IQ vegans, which what that would be? What are 447 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,880 there any of those I don't know, gains that ask yourself, ask yourself? 448 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,679 And being gangs the last two people on earth. Everybody else needs to 449 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,199 die, right the good of the earth? Is that the better option? 450 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:05,679 Or should we choose the largest number of vegans and spread the IQ spread across 451 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,000 a come on, come back, come back, come back, come back. 452 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:10,480 Now we're back, all right. You know, every once in a 453 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:15,360 while, I've got I've got a hamster wheel. I've got yeah, so 454 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,920 I've got a hamster wheel just full of hamsters and sometimes they stop running and 455 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920 that's when the internet cuts out, the fiber optic cuts out. So excuse 456 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,360 the pause there. So this fallacy or is ask yourself chewing on the cables 457 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,280 to cut out your fifty six K? Yeah, it was a little rat 458 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,599 tea. Oh so this is the uh. I guess we can call this 459 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,280 fallacy that we are literally we are literally stardust evolved from cosmic pond scum and 460 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,199 a cold meaning in the star Farks Starfark Jones, where animate life evolved from 461 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,880 inanimate matter and came from nothing and turned shrews into human So we must save 462 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:59,760 evolution from climate change by aborting our baby's fallacy. So, I mean, 463 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400 it's yeah, it's pretty ridiculous there. So we're just animals. If we're 464 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,480 just animals, why is it okay for animals to eat other animals as well? 465 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,400 Right? It's like without even breaking upon our facility, So how do 466 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,719 you not? Right? So they'll reverse it, right, like, oh, 467 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960 we shouldn't eat an animal because we don't eat humans. But if we 468 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:21,000 are animals and animals eat animals, we should eat animals and humans. Yeah. 469 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,960 And then well, and if you ask them that very often they'll come 470 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440 back with, well, don't you just know what's inherently wrong? Don't you 471 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,480 just feel exactly, don't you just feel that that's wrong? There's an appeal 472 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,360 to emotion, and that's so that's a that's a I want to mention that 473 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,039 too week because I meant to mention that yesterday. The most common fallacy in 474 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:43,079 these ads and that you just mentioned there is the very powerful, very prevalent 475 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,599 you see it ever in propaganda. It's the appeal to emotion. Uh. 476 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,800 The greatest example of this is the anytime there's a war coming or going and 477 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840 you see some poor It might not even be real. It could just be 478 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,880 an image, right, a sad child crying. Uh, some child propped 479 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,920 over on a battlefield, or a boy on a you know, covered in 480 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:13,199 dust, dusty boy. Oh, don't you care about the kids and the 481 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,840 immediate thing? If you do not agree with the poster's position, you want 482 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,840 the kids to die. You hate the truth, You hate this situation, 483 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,559 whatever it might be. Exact same with uh, just lowes stock You most 484 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,599 basic level of propaganda that you see with this vegan stuff is appeal to emotions. 485 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,400 And because most human beings are going to be manipulated by their emotions, 486 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,559 they're not going to think about these situations rationally. They're going to react. 487 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:45,360 There's a reactionary you know, start crying or whatever you see there you go, 488 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:52,960 right, Unie a case, it's chili from TLC poor Chili from TLC 489 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,000 is just being so tortured here in this cage, all right. So I 490 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,440 mean the appeal to emotion, like, look look what they're doing into these 491 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,519 poor chickens. What if that was your mother? What if your mother was 492 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:08,280 that chicken? That's being you know, ground up by Colonel Sanders in his 493 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:15,000 giant Holocaust factories. And I mean simply appealing to emotions. Simply because something 494 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:19,079 gives you an emotional feeling doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Inherently, that 495 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,800 doesn't make something objectively right or wrong. Right. I mean, you can 496 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,719 program You can take a dog, right, and every time you ring a 497 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,159 bell you I mean, say you have a dog and you're training it with 498 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,199 an electronic collar, right, you can make it to where every time you 499 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,159 go to give that dog some love or pet it, you shock it. 500 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,039 Right. And people have done experiments like this on humans. Actually, when 501 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,840 you look at the mk Ultra and the behaviorist experiments and Skinner and some of 502 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,119 these other people, there's been some horrible experiments done on children and people. 503 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:51,760 But you can program somebody or a being to have an emotional feeling in reaction 504 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,320 to any stimulus you choose using operant conditioning. So does that make it right 505 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,719 or wrong because you feel something is right or wrong. Absolutely. Media can 506 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,440 make you feel that it's wrong to love your partner, right you watch like 507 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,320 THHX eleven thirty eight. They were made to feel like it was totally wrong 508 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,360 to have any human contact. Right. There was this dystopian film that Jay 509 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,719 and I did a kind of a review on back in the day. You 510 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,800 can check that stream out, guys. Yeah, these tests, these these 511 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,199 Palwvlov tests were also done on Will Smith because he sung the song you can 512 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,320 Ring My Bell that's about Pavlov's dogs. I'm joking. I'm just a dumb 513 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,800 joke. You can ring all right. So anyway, Yes, this is 514 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,360 what you see everywhere. And keep in mind that most of the usage of 515 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,360 fallacies, especially in propaganda or psychological warfare, it's always going to be the 516 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,079 lowest level, simplest stuff, because anytime things get complicated, most people are 517 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,480 going to tune out. So just use the simplest stuff, right. Appeal 518 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:57,840 to the basist desires as you see. I mean this ad has an element 519 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000 of sexuality to it, right, Yeah, they always do that, imple 520 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,079 So you've got the the Pamela Anderson one, she's the buxom blonde and she's 521 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,480 all, you know, drawn up. Feel bad for her, because would 522 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,039 you want Pamela Anderson being chopped up? How are you gonna have your porn? 523 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:15,760 If you, you know, are your prawn? Excuse me? If 524 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,800 she's chopped up, right, exactly, they're gonna get your cummis. If 525 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,480 you see this creature, you wouldn't want that creature chopped up? Why would 526 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,159 you want bam be chopped up? Right? Yeah? So, I mean 527 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,960 so not only is it completely fallacious, right, it's not only are humans 528 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,519 not inherently the same as animals just because you claim they are, just because 529 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:43,880 you say they are, or just because they could be biologically classified as such 530 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,360 in these you know, the biological classification symptoms, that doesn't necessarily make it 531 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,440 objectively true in a universal sense. Right. So this is why it's really 532 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,280 hard, I think, for people coming from that materialistic atheist worldview to refute 533 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,800 any of this, or even refute anything, or make a coherent argument for 534 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,360 against anything at all. Is because from the materialistic atheists worldview, you believe 535 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,519 this, that's your basic presupposition, is that we're all just beasts, world, 536 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,840 just animals. We're all the same, So it's very hard for them 537 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,639 to refute that, right, And I think I mentioned this. This is 538 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,639 like the parts the whole fallacy, right, So the idea that because there's 539 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,320 some characteristics that are similar, then therefore they must be exactly the same. 540 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:30,599 So animals have some characteristics biologically the same as humans. So therefore humans and 541 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,119 animals are only in the same category, or only in the same species, 542 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:40,559 or only distinguished by sort of arbitrary characteristics. Ultimately, we're just the same. 543 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,880 Humans are just little more complex. Animals maybe not even more complex. 544 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,320 Maybe we're just shaped differently. Right, Yeah, but that's a fallacy. 545 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,199 Just because we share some characteristics doesn't mean that we are part of exactly the 546 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,320 same whole. We do share some characteristics, but we also share a lot 547 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:05,280 of very important dissimilar characteristics. For example, humans have the ability to reason, 548 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,119 to do logic, and yes, I understand certain animals can have some 549 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,480 basic cognitive functions, but it's certainly not the same thing as a human being. 550 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:19,920 And we would agree with the notion of humans possessing a faculty of reason. 551 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,719 Animals do not possess the faculty of reason, and so all the way 552 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,559 back to the history of philosophy. You know, even the Greek philosophers notice 553 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,400 this, that humans have this faculty of being able to reason to make moral 554 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,199 judgments. So the irony here is that. So you see that basically there's 555 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:43,480 two conflicting things going on here and multiple fallacies at work. Yeah, yeah, 556 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,519 I think we might have cut out there for a second. I just 557 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,400 when I watched the you guys, did you have to refresh at all? 558 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,239 There? I hope you guys didn't miss some of that. It might be 559 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,559 okay. We got some super chats too, Thanks you guys for them. 560 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,480 The superchats. It's always helpful. That does help us out here. Let 561 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,119 me pull up more stupid chats and help trist and get his dial up fixed, 562 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,760 all right, get my dial up. I need a new modem, 563 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,679 dogs, I need a new modem. All right, So let's read some 564 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,360 of these superchats. Well. First of all, yesterday we had some superchats. 565 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,119 Uh dof forty five eighty said twenty euros. Thanks man, sorry for 566 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:20,840 the failed stream yesterday we got Moses said, I appreciate the trouble you guys 567 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,800 go to keep these discussions going. Blessed, lent right on man, God 568 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440 blessed, Thank you so much for that. Really appreciate it. We've got 569 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:32,920 five dollars superchat today from Salvador. Oh my goodness. It's funny because zoom 570 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,920 comes through, but then the live streaming cuts out. There we go all 571 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,800 right, cutting it out a little bit. Who knows what's going on here? 572 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,280 Ali Kat sends nine ninety nine. Thank you so much, Ali Kat, 573 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,880 really appreciate that. We got five dollars sticker from Sherry. Thanks a 574 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,639 lot. And then Dell Bridge sends five bucks. Says if no absolutes exists, 575 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,360 why do vegans claim that not consuming animals is an absolute moral responsibility? 576 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,320 It seems oxymoronic to me. Oh yeah, I mean that's that's something that 577 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,920 you always want to ask that you want to always want to ask somebody who's 578 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,679 trying to make a moral argument. Do you believe that morality is objective or 579 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,599 subjective? That's for me, That's where I usually will start with a conversation 580 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,599 like this, What do you think about that? Jay? Yeah, The 581 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,519 easiest way to approach this question, you don't have to get into the more 582 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:19,719 dense philosophy, is that you can just keep it on the ethical level, 583 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,480 and just ask the question of on what basis do we say this is right 584 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:27,760 or wrong? On what basis are we saying that you should do this you 585 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,079 should not do that. And when people of that persuasion that you're arguing with, 586 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,599 typically they'll just make really basic mistakes and they'll just say because that's what's 587 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,079 right, because that's what's the best, because we all know that's right. 588 00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,800 You feel those are that's that's called being arbitrary, circular, and ad hoc, 589 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,280 and those are also fallacies. There we go, Telegram, We've got 590 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,440 Telegram group Eastern Orthodox Chat says, get on tele let's see you guys. 591 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,320 If you guys are in the chat watching, are we getting buff fring? 592 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,800 You guys getting buffering? Your errors at all? Al, it's back now, 593 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:13,119 We're back, all right, guys. Streams getting garbled a lot man 594 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,280 for how much I paid to get this fiber optic installed and you get this 595 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,719 internet working. This is quite frustrating. Excuse me, guys, sorry about 596 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,079 the cutting out. Yo. I'm starting to think you work with ask yourself 597 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,079 began games to destroy me, dude. I think y'all are teams. Are 598 00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:32,639 you in cahoots? That's right. If it's buffering you guys, just refresh 599 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,760 the page and it should go back to it should be good. I think 600 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:52,639 we're good now though, all right, so let's say that what are you 601 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:58,719 living? All right? I think we're back. You just blew my mind 602 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,000 right there. I don't even know what you did. That was German. 603 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:07,440 I was speaking German. That was a pig Latin. Actually, really good 604 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,400 at pig lattin. You are, dude, You're in some Pentecostal cult down 605 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:17,679 there. You were just talking in tons. That's true, that's true. 606 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,440 How do you counter the philosophy of spiritual vegans and vegetarians, those that claim 607 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,400 consuming animals accumulates negative karma? All right? So a lot of these people, 608 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:34,119 some of them don't come from this presupposition of absolute of what's it called 609 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,039 absolutely material world. Some of them do come from this so called spiritual perspective, 610 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,639 right, So they'll say something like, hey, I'm really spiritual, 611 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:45,760 man, I'm not trying to consume the suffering and the death of that animal 612 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,800 flesh, all right. So this is a very different direction that the conversation 613 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,320 would go if you're having a conversation with somebody like that. Jay How would 614 00:48:53,320 --> 00:49:01,559 you approach a conversation as such? I would say that I'm sorry, I 615 00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:06,440 got distracted some drama going on here and I'm trying to shut that down. 616 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,400 Can you repeat the question real quick? How do you so people that are 617 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,280 coming from this kind of like monust perspective, Oh? Yeah, world one 618 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:23,039 karma pharma, yeah uh? I would say, First of all, how 619 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,599 do we know that this is operant in the world? I would ask that 620 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,719 question. I would say, why do you think that not necessarily saying that 621 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,599 it doesn't, but why do you think that there is some sort of retribution 622 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,039 that goes on for actions? Well, that would say, well, it's 623 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:42,880 so obvious, you know, like if you drop a ball on your foot, 624 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,880 it's going to hurt. That proves karma, okay, But sometimes it's 625 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,119 not obvious, right, Like sometimes we don't see justice come about when we 626 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,679 expect it. So if we yeah, so if we dropped the balling ball 627 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,400 on our foot and we felt pain, then why are we interpreting that as 628 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:01,840 like punishment for some I mean, how do we know that that's punishment for 629 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,599 a past life for the cuss word that we said two days before? I 630 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,519 mean, it's there's no way really to know what actions are corresponding to us. 631 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:15,679 So there's just this vague sense that there's like a cosmic karma. But 632 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,920 here's my point on that. It's just simply to say, the idea that 633 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:24,760 all of these actions are ordered in some meaningful way to punishments or blessings assumes 634 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,760 the notion of like a divinity. It would assume the notion of a of 635 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,639 a mind who is recompensing these actions. And so that assumes that there's an 636 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:45,679 intentional, personal, divine mind that's behind this, and so an impersonal force 637 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,000 can't met out what is right and wrong and fair and unfair in these cases. 638 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,519 It makes no sense because if it's just impersonal forces, you don't think 639 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:58,960 about the law of gravity, you know, or the number seven. The 640 00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,360 number seven doesn't get you justice. The law of gravity doesn't give you justice. 641 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,079 So if you conceive of karma quote unquote as if it was directed by 642 00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,880 some personal agent or deity, then that's actually moving away from karma. And 643 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,280 so it's almost like these people are trying to put moral agency to like personal 644 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:23,599 right physical laws. Right, let's let's moralize physical laws, which makes no 645 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,119 sense. Yeah, the law of gravity is not your friend or your enemy, 646 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,800 just right, And well, it's funny because you know, the materialistic 647 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:39,159 worldview. You just sucked down a battle vodka. Yeah, looks like it's 648 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,960 water. It's like mineral water. It's like kind of like a pellegrino or 649 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:52,880 something. Is that water that's like a German word. Actually it's just water. 650 00:51:54,119 --> 00:52:00,800 Yeah, So all right, So it's it's funny because it's the materialism, 651 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,920 Like the atheist materialistic worldview does have a lot of similarities and a lot 652 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,480 of cross pollination with ideas from Eastern mysticism, right, like from Hinduism and 653 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:16,039 Buddhism. Yeah, Dawkins even says that he's perfectly fine with pantheism, and 654 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,119 a lot of those ancient Near Eastern philosophies are essentially pantheism. Everything is God, 655 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,400 dude, Like everything is God, dude. Well, well, Darwinism 656 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,519 essentially is pantheism, right, because so if natural selection and you know, 657 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:36,559 the transmutation of species that they believe in, but if if it's survival of 658 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,840 the fittest, that's what determines what survives. How do you know what is 659 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,000 the fittest? Well's who survives. So all these forces like the weather, 660 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,840 the sun, every single impersonal force that you can't control is essentially deified and 661 00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,199 and to a certain extent, is in control of your fate. Yeah. 662 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,239 And that's why ultimately guys like Sam Harris, those that they will deny free 663 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,719 will and moral agency, they'll just say it's kind of an illusion. I 664 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,480 mean, maybe you need to be a quote good person for your own benefit, 665 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,239 But what does that even mean to be a quote good person? We 666 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:15,239 don't know. It's all arbitrary. M I got another image here, just 667 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,320 a Mama Earth. A woman has a mother Earth, all right. So 668 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,679 it's kind of that the same thing, kind of that, that idea of 669 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:28,719 the monism idea where we're all one. Yeah, we're all we are all 670 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,679 scabs on the crust of Mother Earth's skin. Yeah. And what's funny is 671 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:42,559 materialism and Darwinism actually does lead to this this pantheistic, polytheistic vision of life 672 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,679 where we're all part of this one great being. We're all just like Adams 673 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:52,199 and the toenail of the Great Joe Rogan. This kind of insane, nonsensical 674 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,559 belief. And that's what we see spouted a lot by a lot of the 675 00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,960 you know, the more spiritual vegans. Right, So on one hand, 676 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,679 they're going to go for the naturalistic arguments. Right. Well, okay, 677 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,800 so if you're going to be appealing to like what's natural, they'll say it's 678 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,840 not natural for human beings to enslave an animal. Those animals want to live 679 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,719 out their lives. They just want to live. They'll say something like, 680 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,119 oh, you you are enslaving it, and you're hijacking as reproductive organs and 681 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:22,679 you're exploiting this poor animal, and that's unnatural. Well in their worldview, 682 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,440 go ahead, in their world was gonna say, is in their worldview, 683 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,119 how do they know what's natural and what's not natural? This is this is 684 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:35,719 another fallacy. It's called the appeal to nature fallacy. Right, Well, 685 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,360 we all know what's natural and it's just not natural to do that, But 686 00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:43,840 what we think is natural or unnatural is going to be determined by our overall 687 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,880 worldview and governing presuppositions. So yes, this is a very common fallacy as 688 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,280 well. You see this a lot in the quote science community where they don't 689 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,320 even know that they're that they're committing a fallacy, but they're doing the appeal 690 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,679 to nature fallacy exactly. So what's funny is they'll they'll call you out on 691 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,480 the appeal to nature fallacy too. So when a lot of people when somebody 692 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:08,000 says, oh, well, it's obviously our natural diet to eat meat, 693 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,719 right, and I think that's a poor argument as well, right, Like 694 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,320 I wouldn't make that argument. But people will say it's a natural it's the 695 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:20,199 human's nature to eat meat, and the vegans will say that's an appeal to 696 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,000 nature fallacy. But then on the other hand, Joey Carbstrong will say, 697 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:29,119 it's disgusting you're riping these caves, you're molesting their teats. Yeah, you 698 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:35,800 must cans and mean too. So it's yeah, so they want it both 699 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,360 ways, and if you can get them to show that they want it both 700 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,440 ways, you've essentially helped them debunk themselves. You show them an they're being 701 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,960 arbitrary and that they're being uh, they're being inconsistent, which is very very 702 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,760 if you're interacting with these people, it's always helpful from the outset to establish 703 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,000 because a lot of people that they don't know any basic fallacies, they don't 704 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,920 know anything about, you know, kind of basic reasoning. If you can 705 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,760 and established from the outset where you get them to admit that should we be 706 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,719 reasonable, should we be logical, and should we be coherent and avoid fallacies? 707 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,119 If you get from the outset of the discussion, get them to admit 708 00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,760 that even if they're not going to be consistent, they've at least admitted that 709 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,639 they should be and that will be in their mind to some degree. So 710 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,840 they're going to be holding themselves. And if they later say something like, 711 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,960 well, who says we have to be consistent about everything? Well you just 712 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,079 you've you've pointed out that they're contradictions absolutely. Well. Also, it's funny 713 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,079 because that argument of should we be consistent, if they're going to be arguing 714 00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:43,639 from the perspective of a morally subjective reality, right, if they believe that 715 00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,800 everything is morally subjective, that there is no inherent right or wrong, there 716 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:54,199 is no objective right and wrong, Why should we be consistent? Right? 717 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,440 There is no why, there is no should, there is no you're not 718 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,719 compelled to do anything that kind of in that worldview. And this is kind 719 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,039 of what happened with that ask yourself guy in Vegan gains You guys go back 720 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,000 a long time ago to that debate. It was an absolute joke, and 721 00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,840 he knew, so at least ask yourself is smart enough to know that he 722 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,360 can't, in his worldview, say that you should you ought to do anything. 723 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,239 Of course, he's arguing that you ought to be vegan, that everybody 724 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,199 ought to be vegan, the entire time with everybody else. But his argumentation 725 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,760 only works on people who come from that materialistic, atheistic worldview, which is 726 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,239 why he can't question the presuppositions of it, and which is why I think 727 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,519 it's really important to go there in certain context. It's not always. You 728 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,159 don't always. It can be exhausting to always go there whenever you get in 729 00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:45,400 an argument with somebody, But if you are comparing world views and you are 730 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,559 talking about the basic presuppositions of the worldview, you do have to go there 731 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,079 if you want to if you want to win the argument, and you want 732 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,079 to actually stick with the truth, and you want to actually bring everybody together 733 00:57:54,199 --> 00:58:00,679 with a into a cohesive, coherent worldview, kind of have to go there. 734 00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:07,639 So let me see here, So rights, what are animal's rights? 735 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,760 Right? So these people they like to bring this up, we've got peta 736 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,320 here. Peta. They're saying animals have the right to equal consideration of their 737 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,400 interests. For instance, a dog most certainly has an interest in not having 738 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:25,960 pain inflicted on him or her unnecessarily. So this is like classic Vegan rhetoric 739 00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,960 right here, will unnecessary suffering, unnecessary pain? Like we said earlier, 740 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,400 how do you know what is necessary? Right? How do we determine what 741 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,119 is necessary or unnecessary suffering or pain? Right? I mean that's the question 742 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,719 that always they kind of crumble under that because they can't objectively say what's necessary 743 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,239 or unnecessary. Yeah, I mean these positions are, as you said, 744 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,480 grounded on the denial of objectivity, as they constantly predicate objective claims and statements 745 00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:58,519 and truths and propositions. So yes, we want to always call that out 746 00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,079 that like you can't have of you that's purely subjective in terms of morals and 747 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,760 ethics being relative, and then turn around and try to force everybody into some 748 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:14,000 radically ethical position. And this position is a radical ethical position. It's it's 749 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,559 like a cult, it's like a it's you called it vegangelicals, right, 750 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:22,039 I mean that's what they're doing here is go you know, proselytizing for this 751 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,880 view. And that's the first place I would go right in this in this 752 00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,719 ad here that you've got put or this article you got pulled up? What 753 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,320 is a right? I mean, what does this mean? Yeah? I 754 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,760 mean, so ever since the Enlightenment, we've we've had our worldview in the 755 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,159 West focused on rights, natural rights, natural law, the rights of the 756 00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:45,280 individual, the right to private property, the right to this that. I'm 757 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,920 not saying that there aren't rights. I'm saying that the way that people determine 758 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,039 these, or talk about these, or explain these is not self evident. 759 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,119 But most people don't even question this. They don't even think about it. 760 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,559 What do you mean or what is the right? How do you to determine 761 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:01,719 it? How do you know it? What is it? Is it for 762 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,480 everybody? Can you have them taken away? Is it branded to you by 763 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,239 the government? I mean, these are basic questions that a lot of people 764 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,880 don't even think about when they just use these slogans like it's my right, 765 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,599 it's my right to do this, it's my right to touch myself, it's 766 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:19,280 my right to chill my baby, it's my right to do so. It's 767 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:24,000 all these rights that have absolutely no consistency. They're just arbitrary. Yeah, 768 01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:29,760 and it reminds me of Timothy Leary, who said there's a famous quote where 769 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,760 he was talking about convincing people to go crazy with drugs. He says, 770 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:39,519 I couldn't get people to do acid until I convinced them that it was right. 771 01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:43,679 He said, once I really, once I realized that I could sell 772 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,599 things to people on the basis of a right, then it took off. 773 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,079 He said, let me let me just the correct the picker. But it's 774 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:52,840 even better than that, he said, until I told them that the government 775 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,440 was trying to take away their right to do it. Yes, so they 776 01:00:55,519 --> 01:01:00,559 felt like they were being rebellious. So they're take my right. They're trying 777 01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,119 to take my rights to get mandatory vaccines. They're trying to take my rights 778 01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,320 to give my children the government to give my as Yeah, it's like, 779 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,639 so if you tell somebody that someone's trying to take this right away, and 780 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,679 notice how things the way that their social engineered society was by selling all of 781 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:25,079 these things as rights. Right, So the issue with r VW became rights, 782 01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:31,320 the issue with the drugs became rights, and now all of the human 783 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,920 makeup stuff is now being sold as the right, and we're going to start 784 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,079 seeing the cybernetic cyborg stuff sold as right as well. Yeah, yeah, 785 01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,719 that one's trying to freaky. That's going to be not only a human right, 786 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,599 but also maybe it's everyone's right. Like maybe maybe you're infringing on everyone 787 01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,079 else's right by not joining these movements. Maybe you're infringing on everyone's right by 788 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:58,840 not taking certain pharmaceutical products into your body because you're going to be endangering then 789 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,960 so this is how you things people, This is how you a social engineered 790 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,400 people are doing this sort of stuff. We got some of the chat. 791 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,920 Let's say you're gonna enjoy this one. Jeff, You've got a highly intellectual 792 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,920 called toroidal Zeus. In the chat, he says, I am strong carnivore, 793 01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:20,440 but I'm not a christ cook that believes that morally comes from God. 794 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:27,639 Moraley comes from your community. Culture equals moral code. Okay, yeah, 795 01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:32,880 So this is the if you don't believe that morals are purely a subjective thing. 796 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,599 If you the only other option is to think that there are social constructs. 797 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:44,119 Right, of course, we can think of countless situations where in history 798 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,800 societies have constructed horrendous morals. So how do we know and how do we 799 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:58,079 adjudge when situations are even socially speaking horrendous, Right, I mean, if 800 01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:04,639 if an Aztec civilisation is sacrificing ten thousand people a day on their high holy 801 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,119 days, is that cool for them? Bro? I guess that's what he's 802 01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:15,159 arguing. So all right, So if you want to say that it's good 803 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,599 for them to have that morality and it's good at the same time for you 804 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,199 to have a completely opposite morality, then you don't actually have a basis to 805 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,559 say that moral relativism is good, because that's what the position is predicated on, 806 01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,280 right, So it's it's it's even in its starting point. If you 807 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:38,239 say that all morals are socially constructed, you believe that that's universally true, 808 01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:42,920 and you also believe that that's a good right because you're saying that people should 809 01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:45,079 follow this, or at least that's where I was going to go with there. 810 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:46,559 Right, So you're saying that, oh, you guys are christ cocks, 811 01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:49,679 right, Oh you guys are all christ cooks. I'm miss you, 812 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,480 edgy. So you shouldn't be a christ co Yeah you shouldn't, But what's 813 01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:58,119 wrong with that? What's wrong with being a christ cook? Right? Evil 814 01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:01,440 Christ cooks destroyed my people, my pagan buttz Ex says he and Carrits even, 815 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:05,480 but I mean it's it's to roidal Zeus. I mean they're kind of 816 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,159 a poor argument. Man. World code is more, all of the pagan 817 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,280 all of the pagan worldviews, will fall into a form of relativism, and 818 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,679 then in order to refute things like Christianity that they don't like, they'll fall 819 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:24,119 back on universal claims and universal arguments, universal logic, universal laws that they 820 01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:29,920 simultaneously deny because they reject all forms of universalism because that's part of some kind 821 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,480 of plot to destroy their their booty magic. Yeah, so why why is 822 01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:39,880 it so bad that all us christ Cups as you call us, are destroying? 823 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,679 Well, I mean, if it's if it's if our social construct says 824 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,800 to take down all the pagan religions, he can't, he can't reject to 825 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,960 it because that's our social construct. Well what if pagan Zeus says this, 826 01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,440 I'm an atheist, bro, I believe in God. I'm an atheist. 827 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320 He says, I'm not a pagan, I'm atheist. Well, we just 828 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,119 talked about how actually atheism does need to pantheism. You worship a you worship 829 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,400 you. You worship your idea of atheism, You think, your idea of 830 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:08,639 freedom, your idea of liberty, your idea of your ancestors. You worship 831 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:11,039 all these things. You worship the sun, the moon, the stars, 832 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:14,559 all the impersonal forces. Those are what are in control of you. If 833 01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:18,480 you're an atheist materialist, you believe that the impersonal force of natural selection is 834 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,840 in large of you. So whoever decides to naturally select you in or out 835 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,679 of existence is therefore your god and your worldview. They're above you and they 836 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,800 rule you. So I mean, it's it's kind of self. Yeah. 837 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,199 Another way you can take that too, is if he wants to play devil's 838 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,000 advocant, say well, I don't actually believe any of those things possessed any 839 01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,840 idea. They they're all just as matter, and I reject all that. 840 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,599 Then all you have to do is say, look, are you saying ultimately 841 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,000 that everything is meaningless in a grand sense. Most of the time they'll say, 842 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,880 yeah, sure, I don't have a problem affirming that, And you're 843 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,480 the weakling who just can't own up to the fact that everything is meaningless. 844 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,719 All you have to do is say, well that thing is meaningless than your 845 01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,320 life is meaningless. And they'll say, yes, my life ultimate is meaningless. 846 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:00,199 I'm not afraid of that. Then you just say, well, is 847 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,360 today also meaningless? And are your sentences today meaningless? Yes? At that 848 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,199 point he's refuted himself a well someone else who got north Man double O seven 849 01:06:09,239 --> 01:06:12,800 says we Pagan's was forced on Christianity. They scream, which is to our 850 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,599 men in them and troll them on burning fires? Why is that that right? 851 01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,880 While you believe that's bad, you believe that's wrong. Isn't isn't it 852 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:25,159 everything? Isn't everything subjective? And is it might make a lot of these 853 01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:27,719 Pagans are also into might makes Right. They read that book, and they 854 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,920 read a lot of the same literature that the guys in It's funny because prison 855 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:35,920 culture actually influences to a great extent the neopagan movement. They're reading books like 856 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,360 the forty eight Laws Power, the reading books like might Mix Right and a 857 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,360 lot of these other books that the people that are in prison. Man, 858 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,880 that's pissing me off. All right, it's back. What's up every body? 859 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,719 Yeah you can hear me? Okay, right, yeah, okay, 860 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,079 the voice is crazy. They say Tristan sounds like batman. Yo. Yeah, 861 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,480 you know you said like to me, you said, like this dog 862 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,719 about to start singing some barry while you're here in a minute, how's my 863 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:12,400 sound? Asked? She's listening in the other room. M I don't know 864 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,559 what's going on here, all right, so he says, my guy said 865 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,199 starting ondo. He's fixing my he's fixing my internet. Apparently, it sounds 866 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:24,119 like you've been doing whippets. You if you do a whipp your voice is 867 01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:27,000 over a bit. Is it better now? Can you hear me? Now? 868 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,039 You sound finn. It's just you sound like you've been doing whippets. 869 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,760 I have been doing a lot of whippets before, like ten or twelve before 870 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:43,559 every stream mane. It's like a drug of all time. I remember it's 871 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:47,239 so stupid in high school and it's like I was so dizzy for like twenty 872 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,519 seconds. That was awesome. I did whippets in college once two times, 873 01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:56,920 and I remember it, well, it was really stupid. That didn't make 874 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,119 sure good. It's so weird, but I think I think we should be 875 01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,639 good. You guys hear me now? Is a voice still messed up? 876 01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:08,440 They says, I sound Finn, Do I sound oka? Just sounds like 877 01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:13,119 you sound like really low, like Verry White. That's so weird. We'll 878 01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:17,600 see if I can mess with the voice meter how it works. Due, 879 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,640 It's actually kind of cool. Oh, don't people keep complaining about it. 880 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,760 He's not the normal high pitched Tristan that I'm used to. I mean, 881 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,560 normal voice sounds like this? Is that better? Ye had to stop sucking 882 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:38,720 helium and start sucking whippers? Hey, guys, you sound better normal, 883 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,399 Just talking with the helium voice and then it'll sound normal to the audience. 884 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,279 Does this sound Does it sound normal? Now? How does this sound? 885 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,520 Oh? Jay, I just adjusted my thing on the voice meter program? 886 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,279 Yeah, all right, cool? Sorry for the for the audio issues, 887 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:57,920 guys. Okay, perfect, they say, Oh they know they're laughing about 888 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,399 the helium. They say, the helium voice is perfect. Okay, I'll 889 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,960 talk like this just to make up for the If it makes my voice more, 890 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:11,159 I'll talk like a vegan. I try to try to do. I 891 01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:15,000 can try to do a vegan gaze in freshion Tristan. Tristan did a voice 892 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:18,640 clans to get rid of all his test saucerone juice Juice clans to get rid 893 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:27,239 of his so he could impersonate ask yourself better. Okay, well is all 894 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,359 right, how's my voice? Now? Let's see what Jessica says. It 895 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,720 just sounds like a different voice. I can understand you. You sound like 896 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,640 you have a cold. It's okay, like everybody can understand you. Just 897 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:45,039 sounds like you have a cold or something. It's so weird. What if 898 01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:49,880 I maybe it's the gain, dude. I think it's the connection, like 899 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,279 it's if it's a little faster or slow, you know, it'll kind of 900 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,000 yeah, okay, all right, well whatever, we'll just move on like 901 01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:00,960 we can understand what you're if that sounds fine? And just do you just 902 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,720 sound like you got very white boys? Everyone just keeps telling me in the 903 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:11,600 chat, Jessica's telling me, all right, whatever can we make use of 904 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,000 this while we've got you? Could you sing very white for us? Or 905 01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:15,039 do you not? Do you know any very white so trying to think of 906 01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:20,399 a very white song? Were I don't know any very white songs that well 907 01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,199 except for the I don't I can't think of a verry white tongue at all. 908 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,119 Everyone says, slightly sick scouting voice. Maybe I'm just sick. Maybe 909 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:35,359 I've had maybe I've got the uh people, I got the crown, them 910 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:45,399 can't get enough of you, baby, all right, Maybe you've had so 911 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,720 much meat and testosterone that you've just like peeked out at testosterone max. It's 912 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:56,199 a sweet deficiency. This is the new Tristan is that he actually has very 913 01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,000 white boys. Now that's my se deficiency. We've got a thought predictive program 914 01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,800 in film, says Elle. You should check out some of the thank you 915 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,319 for the super chat by the way, man, thanks for everybody for donating 916 01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:10,479 via the super chats. Check out so the streams that jade Iro and I 917 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,760 we've done a few movie streams. I don't remember the names of them. 918 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,399 We've got what were some of the movies we review THHX eleven thirty eight we 919 01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,439 did. We did a whole stream on Terry Gillian movies that was really good, 920 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,720 Me and You and Hasher. Shout out to Hasher. We did spring 921 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,800 Breakers and Under the Silver Light, which was awesome. We did. Do 922 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:39,079 we do any more movies? We did The The Oh, we did Demolition 923 01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:45,640 Man in THX. We did dystopian movies. I think all right, I 924 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,479 just unplugged the microphone and plugged it back in. We'll see if that helps. 925 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,359 Maybe it will help you sound normal? That sound normal? Now, 926 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:57,399 let me just we start audio engine here. Okay, now I probably will 927 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,680 sound better. Now, how's that, everybody? Dud dude, I'm trying 928 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,000 to think of that very white song, and I'm like, I keep hitting 929 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,279 a wall every time. It's like I can hear the first few baselines, 930 01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:13,279 the first few little bass notes. All right, so let's see thoughts on 931 01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,439 predictive programming and films. Definitely check out Jay's channel. If you don't already 932 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,800 know about Jay's channel, you and I can still talk. I still hear 933 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:24,520 you. Yeah, but the audience gets a little buffering. All right, 934 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,800 we're back. Toro oto Zeus says one more point. So just because we 935 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,960 were talking to toroidal Zeus, he says, you might want to ask what 936 01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:35,039 is the point of morality and ethics? The answer is he gives us the 937 01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:40,560 answer, even though there's no objective truth. He has the answer, he 938 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,640 says. The answer is it's the software we use to interact with other humans. 939 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,279 That's why it comes from others. That's incoherent, that doesn't make sense. 940 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:54,399 The software we use to interact with other humans. That's morality. What 941 01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,880 do you think about that? Jay? Well, I mean that just kind 942 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,760 of avoids the question because the question wasn't where it derives from. I mean, 943 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,640 you can stay that that's where you think it derives from, but that's 944 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:11,560 not given an account for it or making it coherent. I mean, so 945 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:16,439 he's basically just saying restating his position, But we're asking for a justification and 946 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,600 explanation of the position, and the examples that I gave would still hold. 947 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,520 So just saying that it's a software that you get from other people is just 948 01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:29,199 okay. But how does that answer the question of how do you adjudicate between 949 01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:32,159 true and false? Right and wrong? Just restate your position that we have, 950 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,920 Well, it's a social construct, okay, So how do you explain 951 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,319 when certain cultures are degenerate or when my culture says that I should destroy your 952 01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,359 culture? If it's a social construct, do you have a problem with that? 953 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,239 He'll just have to say, No, that's your position, bro, 954 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,880 that's not my position. That's just like your opinion. Man, is it 955 01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:56,720 universally the case that it's a software that we get from society? But your 956 01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,920 position was relativistic and based on a fine number of empirical observations. So how 957 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,680 do you get a universal claim from a limited number of observations? You can't. 958 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,680 Yeah, And this is one of the issues, is that you're constantly 959 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:16,199 trying to get universals and relying upon universals and making moral claims while saying morality 960 01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:20,279 is subjective. If it's subjective, then you'd stop arguing for moral claims. 961 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:26,199 If it's subjective, what's the problem with us believing it's objective? Right? 962 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:30,840 If it's subjective, all truth is subjective, then isn't that truth also subjective? 963 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,119 Exactly? And conversely, they at the same time want it to be 964 01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:39,960 objective. Right, So if you say all truths are relative, that's a 965 01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:45,039 universal truth claim that defeats itself. Yeah. So then they just say it's 966 01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:48,199 consensus. It might makes right, and it just becomes it becomes circular. 967 01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:54,159 Then everything is meaningless. All meaning is just derived from groupthink and whatever the 968 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:57,560 greatest number of people believe, or if just the most powerful person with the 969 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,880 most powerful weaponry believe something, that makes is it true? And that is 970 01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:04,880 absolutely silly. So you guys, sorry, somebody said, when you read 971 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,479 the super chats, we don't even hear it because it cut out a couple 972 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,840 times. Apologies, guys. Dell Bridge was acting asking about predictive programming and 973 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,479 films, and I told him to check out some of the streams that Jay 974 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,199 and I did. We talked about TCHX eleven thirty eight, We did spring 975 01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:23,279 Breakers Beneath the Silver Lake, and we did some other films, the Terry 976 01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:26,199 Gilliam films. You can check out those streams that we did on Jay's channel. 977 01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:28,680 They're on his channel. Some of them are on my channel too. 978 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,800 Those were fun streams. And then Commander of the Groper what is it, 979 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,920 Commander of the Groper Revolution. I gotta make sure I get your whole name 980 01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,279 there, because it's long. Commander of the Groper Reich says, you on 981 01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,319 minds or telegram? Friends, I'm not Jay, You're on telegram right, 982 01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:49,560 Yeah, we do have an Orthodox Christian chat on there. And then the 983 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,000 guy who made a donation earlier said he's got his own telegram as well. 984 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,600 So the Orthodox community is growing on telegram, he says, So you can 985 01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,600 check that one out as well. In it, we got Zoelo Mexicano says, 986 01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:06,279 I am the coconut weird christ cooks but my Aztec ancestors weren't savages. 987 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:13,079 If society dictates the mortals, then Christian society is correct. There you go, 988 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,680 I'll read that without an accent. So if society dictates morals, then 989 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:24,439 Christian society is correct. Because so if its might makes right, then what's 990 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,359 wrong with what's now? I guess if it is might makes right then and 991 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,079 you don't like it, then I guess in that materialistic kind of pagan worldview, 992 01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,279 then I guess the constant revolution would be necessary, right, and you 993 01:16:34,279 --> 01:16:36,960 would just see that, which is, you know, I guess you want 994 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,680 to create a world where there's constant revolution and embrace that, and you think 995 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,960 that that's something good. I would say that that's kind of It's not. 996 01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:51,119 Where were all those posicians pantheism, paganism, They all for the most part, 997 01:16:51,239 --> 01:17:04,119 you might have some exceptions with like Valhalla or freaking annoying. All right, 998 01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:08,119 we're back, So Jay, do you want to repeat that last point? 999 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,840 Sorry guys? Yeah, So I was just saying that most of the 1000 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,760 time the pagan systems are the people are really just LARPing, and it's a 1001 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,039 situation where at root it's just atheistic and it's like, if you go listen 1002 01:17:20,119 --> 01:17:24,119 to the debate I did with bog Lord Dave, that becomes evident that he's 1003 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,279 just like, well, look, it doesn't really matter whether he's missed or 1004 01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:30,239 true or not these pagan stories, it's basically just me coming up with a 1005 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,359 program for me and my people. Well, that's just arbitrary and subjective. 1006 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:39,760 Again, well said, well said, we got some more. You guys 1007 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,359 are keeping up with the superchats. We really appreciate that you guys are definitely 1008 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,399 directing the conversation with these superchats. Now, so let's see. Is morality 1009 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,000 all right? Thomas says, is morality argument for God valid? If you 1010 01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:55,800 could clarify that question, Thanks for the dollar ninety nine. If you want 1011 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,039 to clarify that question. I don't really know what you're getting at, Jay, 1012 01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:00,399 Do you know what he's getting at with that? You skipped for a 1013 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,760 minute, and I could cut out for a breech second. I missed that. 1014 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,319 What was it? So freaking annoy? Okay? It says, is 1015 01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:11,439 morality argument for God valid? That's the question, don't is morality argument? 1016 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,079 Is the moral argument for God valid? I guess is what he's asking? 1017 01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:19,800 I mean depends on how the argument is framed. I mean, you could 1018 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,000 have an invalid You could have a moral argument that's invalid. Like you said 1019 01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:29,199 something like, look, we all believe innate lely that there's some notion of 1020 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:30,720 right and wrong, so there has to be some kind of generic god out 1021 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,800 there. That's an invalid argument. I would not agree with that. But 1022 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,640 if you took a moral argument and made it in a form of a transfi 1023 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,840 argument, it could be valid. Y, all right, good, good 1024 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,720 one, All right? So location five one five. I think we're still 1025 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,199 live now, guys. I'm sorry for the shoddy internet. I'm hoping this 1026 01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:54,039 gets resolved really soon. I've got some cool debates coming up with some vegans, 1027 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,079 some vegan activists that want to come on and talk about their activism and 1028 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,039 debate stuff. So I'm looking forward to that, but I need to get 1029 01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:03,600 the Internet sorted out first. Apologies guys. Thank you Jay for the patients 1030 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,920 with this, and thank you audience for the patients and for the donations. 1031 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,880 These donations will go towards fixing my internet and trying to get this stuff working 1032 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,800 correctly. Can you touch on relationship between Jews and Christians and how to see 1033 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:23,239 Jews religiously in relating to the world. So the Orthodox position on Judaism on 1034 01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:26,079 the Jews, Jay, you got an opinion on that one, you got 1035 01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:30,640 a yeah. I would say that we would see Judaism as obviously departing from 1036 01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:34,920 Orthodox Christianity early on in the Book of Acts. So if you read the 1037 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,600 Book of Acts, you'll see why the two positions go in different directions. 1038 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,359 Obviously, it centers on the person of who Christ is, whether he's the 1039 01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:45,840 Messiah or not. But I would believe, I believe if you read Romans 1040 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,680 nine, ten and eleven, especially Chapter eleven, Paul foresees eventually a future 1041 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:57,600 conversion of the Jews in mass We don't know when that'll be. We pray 1042 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,319 for that obviously, but that's true. And so in that and most of 1043 01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:04,119 the Church fathers, by the way, do also affirm the future conversion of 1044 01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:10,640 the Jews. So we don't say that there is no future place for Jews 1045 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,720 in my understanding, And I could give you many of the Church origin teaches 1046 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,760 that Saint Cyril Alexandria teaches, that Saint Anthonatius teaches that many many, many 1047 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:23,840 Church fathers say that there will be a future conversion of the Jews and everybody, 1048 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:29,000 right, I mean, all the nations are Eventually, we don't exactly 1049 01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:30,800 know like the like, oh, this will happen, and then this will 1050 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,800 happen, and then this will happen. I mean, we we have a 1051 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,039 lot of sort of speculations. But most of the fathers say that as that 1052 01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:41,000 time gets nearer, it will be clearer to the Church and to the Saints 1053 01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:45,239 exactly what's going on. But uh so we don't say that Judaism is like, 1054 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,199 oh, it's a separate path to God, like some kind of freemason 1055 01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:51,239 freemason doctrine of all religious into God or something that like the lot of Protestants 1056 01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:54,600 or you know that a lot of protests. We don't. We don't. 1057 01:20:55,079 --> 01:21:00,159 We don't obsess over Palestine and this kind of stuff. We simply pray for 1058 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,000 the conversion not just of all people obviously, but also for the conversion of 1059 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,680 the Jews. And Paul says in Romans eleven that when that happens, and 1060 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:12,039 some of the fathers think that Romans eleven means that when that conversion does happen, 1061 01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:15,479 he says it will be like life from the dead, because he says 1062 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,359 they will be grafted into the vine that's more naturally their own vine. I 1063 01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,880 mean, we are gentiles grafted into their vine. And Paul says that there 1064 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,560 will eventually be a point in which they will be grafted more naturally into their 1065 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,920 into their vine. And it almost sounds like this is my personal speculation, 1066 01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:34,840 not saying it's necessarily true. My personal speculation on this point is that he 1067 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:40,199 almost sounds like there will be an apostasy of the majority Gentile Church. So 1068 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:45,560 the majority Gentile Church will apostatize, and that will lead to a reconversion of 1069 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,800 or a conversion of the Jews grafted into the vine. That's just my personal 1070 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,680 speculation, though. Yeah, we gotta I like this one. Two Dollars 1071 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,840 from Cholo Mexicano says, revolutions are just people going in circles. Haha, 1072 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:03,960 exactly, revolution revolving over and over again. What gets done. Nothing, 1073 01:22:04,039 --> 01:22:10,439 It's just bloody uh, just bloody messes and everybody trying to climb to the 1074 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,479 big top of the big pile of filth at the end of the revolution. 1075 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,920 And yeah, I think that's what materialism gives you, that's what might makes 1076 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,079 right gives you. Everybody trying to be the might that makes the right. 1077 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:25,000 And you know, I know we've got some you got some people in the 1078 01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:28,560 chat here that are are really upset with with what we've said about this. 1079 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,279 But you know, I do think that's where the just that you know, 1080 01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:36,560 the pagans, Oh my ancestors, you hurt my ancestors. I would say, 1081 01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,319 go listen to the debate I did with bog wor Dave, because I 1082 01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:43,920 think, you know, he exemplifies their position. He's a well spoken guy. 1083 01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:46,560 I mean, obviously I disagree with him, but he isn't terrible at 1084 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,960 rhetoric. I mean he makes their point, their argument. So maybe they 1085 01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:55,880 just like thot bogg wor Dave. I don't know, but I mean the 1086 01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,039 root of this response is that how does paganism avoid rel relativism? I mean 1087 01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:02,680 ninety nine percent of the time, it doesn't avoid relativism. Most of the 1088 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,880 time. They'll just go, yeah, so what it is? Uh? 1089 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,079 And then if that's if that's the case, then you know we're back at 1090 01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:14,439 relativism. And it's very easy to refute relativism because it's self refuting. All 1091 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,720 right, man, you guys, the super thank you so much for the 1092 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,920 super chests. Guys, they just keep coming. We're not even able to 1093 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:23,439 uh, we're not even able to get back on task with the vegan refutations. 1094 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,119 But let's uh, you know, I'll take it. I'll take it. 1095 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,159 Man. It's been a while since I've been live, and I appreciate 1096 01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:32,199 the super chests. Location five on one five says, wait here we go. 1097 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,760 Let's see, uh the way we got canal Espaniol says, is there 1098 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:41,800 much of a connection between Freemasonry and Judaism free Masonry and Judaism, Well, 1099 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,479 I mean, when you look at the history of Freemasonry, it is. 1100 01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:48,560 I don't think that the history of Freemasonry shows that it's like an exclusively Jewish 1101 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,680 organization. I think I've heard the argument made that, oh, you know, 1102 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:56,399 Freemasonry is Judaism for gentiles, and there are quotes from people claiming this. 1103 01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:05,600 But Freemasonry is not inherently a Judaic Jewish thing in my opinion. In 1104 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:11,279 fact, Albert Pike, I mean Albert Pike basically conceives of it as a 1105 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:16,319 syncretistic system where you're trying to find general principles in all the religions and trying 1106 01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:24,359 to basically create a society an organization that is the true religion of all the 1107 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:30,560 religions. So there are elements of Solomonic temple philosophy, there's elements of Coabbalism, 1108 01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:34,199 there's elements of Zoroastrianism, elements of Christianity, elements of Neoplatonism. By 1109 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:40,840 Thikoreanism, it's an attempt to create a synthesized, generic, quote unquote religion 1110 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,000 of all the religions. So it's the it's the forerunner to the New Age. 1111 01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:48,199 And so in some senses I could I would say, if you meant 1112 01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:53,840 like mystical Judaism, there's a lot of similarities with medieval Cobblism, yeah, 1113 01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:59,960 and Freemasonry, but it's it's not exclusively that. And if you read, 1114 01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:02,399 like Manly p Hall, the Secret Teachings of All Ages, that's what this 1115 01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,800 whole book is about. You know. He's got all sorts of it, 1116 01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,520 goes back to the ancient religions and tries to warn them all together, and 1117 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,560 he claims that they're the Freemasonry, is the extension of all the mystery schools, 1118 01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,479 and that they hold the keys to all these mystery schools, and that 1119 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:20,039 they are the true heirs to the secret teachings of all ages, including the 1120 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:25,359 secret mystical Kabbala which comes out of Judaism, but not exclusive. People in 1121 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,399 the Chat are fussing about this. I know I've read Albert Piker read all 1122 01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,560 these people, and I know I've read Cobbalists, so I know what. 1123 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,520 But Kabbalism is, in many senses itself just Neil Platonism. Albert Pike does 1124 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,720 not say freemasonry is Jewish and based on Kabala. You can go read Morals 1125 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,399 and Dogma. I read the whole Morals and Dogma in two thousand and eight. 1126 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,119 He doesn't say that, but he actually does draw from Kabbala. That's 1127 01:25:45,159 --> 01:25:46,439 part of what he draws from. He doesn't say it's Jewish, so you 1128 01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,479 can actually go read Italism. Kabbalism itself, as a bunch of different systems 1129 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,680 is very similar to Gnosticism and neo Platonism. It's obviously borrowing from those lists 1130 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,119 we got. We got a freemason in the Chat who's offended to says Freemasonry 1131 01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:05,439 doesn't come from Egypt. Lol, don't get your history from f and Manley 1132 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:11,119 Hall. Manly p Hall never said that. I never said that. Maybe 1133 01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,239 someone in the Chat did. But Manley p Hall says that many people. 1134 01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,520 Hall is a con man who spends like twenty lectures telling you about astrology. 1135 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,680 And then the end that whole lecture series is, by the way, you 1136 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,720 need to accept the United Nations and have a world government. So there's just 1137 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:31,319 such a con and he talks in this weird Masonly nineteen twenties slingman boys Manley 1138 01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,800 P. Hall. Yeah, so nobody on the way. And I'm not 1139 01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,000 saying Manley P. Hall. I'm not saying Manley pe Hall runs free Masonry. 1140 01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:43,560 I'm just giving one example of a prominent Freemason who you can all read. 1141 01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:46,319 You can't talk about this so without everybody taking your quotes on a contact 1142 01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:51,680 and like you make one statement, it's like you're freaking you dorks who are 1143 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,319 all triggered. You're just as big of dorks as Manley P. Hall and 1144 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,399 freaking Albert Pike. You're just as lame as them. And your interpretation of 1145 01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,920 free Mason isn't even the true freemasonry, right, Everyone, all these Freemasons, 1146 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,800 they all say, well, that's not the real freemasonry. That's not 1147 01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:09,880 Yeah, you all think you have the keys, you all have the secrets. 1148 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,359 We get it, all right, let's we'll move move all By the 1149 01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:17,760 way, the Jacobsen text, I've got it here somewhere in my books. 1150 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,600 I can pull it out here a minute. But she talks about it as 1151 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:27,600 a political tool the British Empire for centuries. That's that's another important element that 1152 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,039 you can't forget in freemasonry, is that it's a central tool of the British 1153 01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,000 Empire. All right, Location five point fifteen. Look, appreciate all the 1154 01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:38,439 super chats, man, thank you so much, But we were here talking 1155 01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:43,239 about we're trying to talk about veganism. We're debunking the common arguments in veganism, 1156 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,279 and uh, you know, we're bringing this chat in a little bit 1157 01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:47,199 of a different direction. But thank you for the super chat. You got 1158 01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:50,920 one more, he says. Some people say a lot of the revolutionary issues 1159 01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:56,920 Jews are at fault. Opinion, I'd say, there's you can study history 1160 01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,960 and you can look deeper into this yourself, and yeah, I think I 1161 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,960 don't really have an opinion on this. I don't think that the Jews are 1162 01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:10,279 at fault for every single revolutionary movement in the world. There are there are 1163 01:28:10,399 --> 01:28:14,640 definitely historical threads of certain groups of you know, the Jacobins, and you 1164 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,439 look at the French Revolution. There are certain threads of certain groups of people 1165 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,800 being involved in a lot of these revolutions, But that doesn't mean that every 1166 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,720 problem in the world comes from them. I think that's a fallacy that a 1167 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,039 lot of people make. And yeah, I don't know, Jay, what 1168 01:28:28,079 --> 01:28:29,600 do you think about it? I know, I know that's gonna. I 1169 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:36,479 would blame the Vatican over Judaism because the Vatican had an extreme amount of power 1170 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:41,760 in the West at the time of the Renaissance. And while you can find 1171 01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:46,319 different strands of mystical influence in the time of the Renaissance, it wasn't the 1172 01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:50,640 Jews who got usury allowed in the West as a whole. It was the 1173 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:58,439 Papacy. It was the Papacy who promoted the Renaissance traumatic doctrines. Now you 1174 01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,800 could say, well, but there were Jews that leave these things. Yeah, 1175 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,279 but they didn't have power. The papacy had power. So if you 1176 01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:05,640 want to if you want to lay blame, you can blame the papacy because 1177 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,680 the papacy was the most powerful institution in the West for centuries. Uh, 1178 01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,079 and it promoted all these things that all these tribes and all these pagans are 1179 01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:17,079 not about I think it's just it's funny. There's there's a lot of a 1180 01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:20,720 lot of people who seem to h to want to latch onto the idea that 1181 01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:25,520 so here, this is making me mad, all right, So go read 1182 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,319 a cult Renaissance Church of Rome's that's documented very easily in a historical, uh 1183 01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:34,399 historian book cult a cult Renaissance Church of Rome, eight hundred page book that 1184 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:41,239 documents the papacy being the source of usury in the West. Yeah, so 1185 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,279 all right, And when you say is a Judaism that's behind these things? 1186 01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:49,520 What you're looking at? I mean, so to say that is Judaism behind 1187 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:54,880 that, like there's some monolithic Judaic conspiracy and that all the Jews are in 1188 01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:59,560 on this is absolutely ridiculous. Although of course there are Protestants involved in certain 1189 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,000 revolution Gary movements. They are Protestants involved in the bringing about of the Federal 1190 01:30:03,039 --> 01:30:08,439 Reserve Bank. They're also Jewish banking families involved. Not all international banking is 1191 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,119 run exclusively by Jews, of course, there are aspects. So I think 1192 01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:17,359 there's the nuance gets lost in historical narratives, especially on the Internet, when 1193 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:24,560 everybody's looking for sound bites and clickbait titles, the pay and the pagan thing. 1194 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,720 What they want to do is they want to find blame in genetics because 1195 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,640 they worship and they're obsessed with genetics, so they want to lay the blame 1196 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:39,760 on other genetic uh foils to their superior genetics. And this is just stupid 1197 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,239 manipulation that they're actually being manipulated because pagan movements themselves are all run and controlled 1198 01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:47,399 by a bunch of Feds and retards. Yeah, well, I guess you 1199 01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:53,279 know the Rockefeller family being very powerful in the US. This is I mean, 1200 01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,640 there are a lot of these Protestant families who are very powerful there and 1201 01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,960 they want to blame everything on on the on the one, on the juice, 1202 01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:03,399 the blood libel type thing. But you know that. I think if 1203 01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,479 you study history, you realize things are a lot more nuanced. So anyways, 1204 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,760 this is not what this chat was meant to be about. But thanks 1205 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,840 guys for super chats. Appreciate that. If you've got super chats that are 1206 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,359 related to the topic at hand, we'd appreciate that. All right, So 1207 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:24,079 it was like an hour on a complete tangents in your chest. It's exactly 1208 01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:27,039 due. It's like, as soon as you start talking about paganism, then 1209 01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:30,199 they got to bring up majuice majuice. But we were here to talk about 1210 01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:33,159 vegan arguments. So I know, man, I know, well, we're 1211 01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:36,880 talking about veganism. We're debunking a lot of the common arguments for veganism and 1212 01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,760 the theological stuff, and then the pagan showed up. So we'll just ignore 1213 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:46,039 that aspect now and we'll we'll move on. So I know you got some 1214 01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,720 notes there on some of these other common arguments that that the vegans make. 1215 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,520 Jay if you want to uh, if you've got one that you think is 1216 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:58,800 important that you want to hit on, Uh, Well, we hit on 1217 01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,399 right special instructs, we hit on the appeal to nature, we hit on 1218 01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:05,840 burden of we didn't hit on burden proof. Let's see what's another common one. 1219 01:32:08,199 --> 01:32:12,079 Another common fallacy you'll see is the one where we did appeal to motion, 1220 01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:15,359 where people will say, uh, are you familiar with no true scotsman? 1221 01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,760 This one comes up to. This is a This is a great one 1222 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:26,800 because basically it's the idea of purity, like no truth, Uh, scientists 1223 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,920 would ever believe in creation, right, So it's not an actual argument. 1224 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:35,840 It's just this appeal to ambiguous purity, or that that we all have a 1225 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,800 common idea that of what a scientist really believe. We all know scientists believe 1226 01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:45,159 in facts and not creation. Right, But there's no, that's not an 1227 01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:47,600 actual argument, right, And you'll see the same type of thing like, 1228 01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:55,680 well, any uh, honorable, sensible, dignified human being would not need 1229 01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,680 to eat another sentient being, right, you'll see this kind of that's the 1230 01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:03,000 no true Scotsman fallacy, That as if there's some common notion of what it 1231 01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:09,119 is to be a human being, and that it's somehow wrapped up in the 1232 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,039 dignity of a human being not to eat an animal. What about a dog, 1233 01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:14,640 Like, I mean, a dog is a sentient being and a dog 1234 01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,319 will happily. My dog will have so much fun slowly killing a chicken. 1235 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,359 We'll quite enjoy that. Yeah, well, no true dog would eat another 1236 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,359 Okay, Yeah, well real dogs are vegan, right, you gotta make 1237 01:33:27,399 --> 01:33:30,079 your real dogs go vegan. There you go. A real human being would 1238 01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:33,039 never get that's another easier way to say it. That's the version of no 1239 01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:41,520 true Scotsman fallacy. Another one we could point out is the another one of 1240 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,800 the most obvious ones is the ad hominem. Right. I mean, you 1241 01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,359 hear this all the time, but we can't pass this up because it is 1242 01:33:47,399 --> 01:33:50,600 a fallacy, even though it's the most common one, and people just sort 1243 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:55,079 of handwave it now because you're so used to add hominisms. But if somebody 1244 01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:58,880 were to say, Tristan, we know veganism is true because you're a jerk. 1245 01:33:59,319 --> 01:34:02,359 Yeah, baldman bad for sure. Bald man bad is a basic ad 1246 01:34:02,399 --> 01:34:08,960 hominem. Right, what's another bandwagon? This is a common one where you 1247 01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:14,560 have everybody like, Look, most people now are are learning about veganism. 1248 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:19,279 Most people are coming on board with the world. It's twenty twenty. We're 1249 01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:25,359 cutting kids pps and veganism is the future. Man, the world is going 1250 01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,520 vegan and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Yet, big it's 1251 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,800 the bandwagon fallacy. Great, Yeah, you hear this slogan all the time, 1252 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,279 right, it's twenty twenty. Come on, it's twenty twenty. That's 1253 01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:39,239 like this the new sjaw fallacy. It's twenty twenty fallacy. No matter what 1254 01:34:39,319 --> 01:34:42,880 they want to argue for, it's twenty twenty. I must be right, 1255 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:49,720 kid with the times, bigot let's see what else. I have another one 1256 01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:54,239 on this list here that comes up often. Hey, we've had a good 1257 01:34:54,279 --> 01:34:58,079 twenty minutes with no interruptions now, I mean interruptions as far as the as 1258 01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:00,680 far as the internet goes. We're good on that. We still got the 1259 01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,119 we still got this one could be This one could be mentioned as well. 1260 01:35:04,199 --> 01:35:08,479 It may not come up a lot, but it could come up. And 1261 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,479 a lot of people forget this fallacy. And it's called the fallacy fallacy, 1262 01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,600 which is the notion that if something is argued badly, then the converse is 1263 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,199 true, which is not which is not correct. So in other words, 1264 01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:23,399 let's say you had a guy who was a proponent of carnivore and he made 1265 01:35:23,399 --> 01:35:27,439 a bad argument, like he said, Uh, we all should eat meat 1266 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,800 because we evolved to eat meat. Bro obviously evolution. Evolution doesn't make mistakes, 1267 01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,760 dude, Right, that's a bad argument. And so a vegan hearing 1268 01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,239 that argument could say, Boo, yeah, I just prove veganism because that's 1269 01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:43,239 a bad argument. Yeah, that actually doesn't prove veganism, right, So 1270 01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:49,520 because a counter position is argued badly aka the fallacy fallacy, doesn't prove your 1271 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:56,880 position necessarily see that there could be some cases where that does happen, for 1272 01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,600 example, at a paradigm level, if it was to the illusion of all 1273 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,800 other possible positions. But this is not an argument about paradigms. When we 1274 01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:09,119 talk about a bad argument at the normative way, well, what these vegans 1275 01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:12,079 will do a lot too is during debates to say something like, I mean, 1276 01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:14,560 these vegans, they can get really obnoxious during debates, right, And 1277 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,119 if you say something, if you make an argument, and then in your 1278 01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:21,600 argument, at the end of your argument you say, and you're an idiot. 1279 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,359 But that's not your argument that they're an idiot. They'll try to say 1280 01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:28,880 that's an ad hominem. That's not an ad hominem. I'm just saying that 1281 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,079 you're an idiot. My argument isn't that you're an idiot. My argument is 1282 01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:35,560 that veganism is morally ridiculous, and that you, as a moral subjectivist, 1283 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,079 have no right to tell anybody what they should believe, do or say morally, 1284 01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,159 and you're an idiot. My argument. Any of the studies that are 1285 01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:48,600 funded by or supported by vegans, they won't look at any of the counter 1286 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:55,920 evidence confirmation biased and so look, I've got seventeen studies from Kellogg Corporation and 1287 01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:01,239 the Seventh Day Adventist Church that proves organism is the healthiest lifestyle. Yeah. 1288 01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,720 Well, it's funny because they'll they'll reference the Seventh Day Eventist studies constantly, 1289 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:14,640 they'll causantly reference Seventh Day Adventist ideology and studies. But then they'll say, 1290 01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,880 anytime you bring up a study that will prove the opposite of what they have 1291 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,680 to say, though, that's that's funded by the meat industry, that's funded 1292 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:24,359 by that's funded by somebody who once did a study that was funded by the 1293 01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:29,119 egg industry, and it's that therefore it's absolutely useless, all right, So 1294 01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:33,239 it's uh they're a little bit arbitrary with that as well. Uh yeah, 1295 01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:36,560 another one is. And then simultaneously they'll do that, and then they'll use 1296 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,119 the genetic fallacy with you and they'll say, Tristan, I just gave you 1297 01:37:41,239 --> 01:37:44,720 seventeen studies from Seven Day Avedis and Kellogg and all this stuff. And then 1298 01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,279 when you sign a study from say a doctor who's a carnivore, they'll say, 1299 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,720 that's a biased study, bro, you can't be citing those carnivore guys 1300 01:37:51,039 --> 01:37:55,600 or somebody who's a kedo guy. You can't do that. That's a genetic 1301 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,439 fallacy. First of all, right, because well, on the one hand, 1302 01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,359 we're not saying that because they so to a study that is only from 1303 01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:06,039 Kellogg, that they're bad. It's that they're picking and choosing only those right, 1304 01:38:06,079 --> 01:38:10,399 And so if you were to counter with them, they'll have it's okay 1305 01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,159 for me, but not for thee right, Like you can't cite a guy 1306 01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:15,760 who's a carnivore. They'll call you out for bias, and they'll say, 1307 01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,520 oh, that's a genetic fallacy because you're but we should call them out for 1308 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:24,239 geneticals. Say, look, the source is irrelevant. But if you only 1309 01:38:24,319 --> 01:38:29,600 have that source and you won't look at any opposing argumentation, uh, it's 1310 01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,479 it's useless. But most of the time, when I hear these arguments, 1311 01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:36,600 because the people in this realm worship science and scientism, they're just throwing studies 1312 01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:41,319 back and forth like it's so pointless, it's so obnoxious. And to do 1313 01:38:41,399 --> 01:38:44,239 this, I have a study, I have this study. He doesn't even 1314 01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:45,439 know how to read these or interpret them at all. And then what happens 1315 01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,359 is it turns into just a big circle jerk of oh my studies are better 1316 01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:50,600 than yours, and they're both trying to say, oh, your studies are 1317 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:55,319 invalid, and both sides could be very arbitrary in this. Like a lot 1318 01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:59,079 of the people from the carnivore or keto or just non vegan side will come 1319 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:03,039 with their studies and they'll say they'll say, look, here's this epidemiological study 1320 01:39:03,079 --> 01:39:08,039 that shows that blank, blank, and blank, when ten minutes before they 1321 01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:13,520 dismissed their vegan opponent's study by saying that's epidemiology. Epidemiology is really poor science 1322 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:18,039 and is very very difficult. Yeah, similar to that false cause, like, 1323 01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:25,079 they'll they'll also correlation causation, like we're not sure exactly in a lot 1324 01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,640 of these cases what the real cause of, say an illness might be. 1325 01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,319 For example, Oh, you've been eating meat for all your life, and 1326 01:39:31,399 --> 01:39:35,039 that's why you developed all these these illnesses. Well, that could be from 1327 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:40,880 eating low quality, processed so called meat. Right, So we can't just 1328 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,800 assume that there's a simple one to one. What how about like pesticide exposure 1329 01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,600 environmentally? Right? I mean, we know that autism rates increased dramatically around 1330 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,479 fields that are heavily sprayed with pesticides. We've got all this other stuff environmentally 1331 01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:59,319 that affects us, including electromagnetic radiation on native VMF. We've got all these 1332 01:39:59,359 --> 01:40:03,800 things that do affect us. And to blame all your health issues on one 1333 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:09,079 thing always, I mean, it's kind of nonsensical and both sides can be 1334 01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:12,199 very varied guilty of the same thing. This is why, ultimately I think 1335 01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:16,359 if you're gonna refute veganism, arguing over the science of the health of veganism 1336 01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:21,479 versus non veganism is a dead and pointless argument, and it really doesn't end 1337 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:26,560 up fruitful for either side. It just ends up both sides saying your study 1338 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,560 is bad and my study is good, and walking off both thinking that the 1339 01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,760 other. You know, I btfoed you, I really I destroyed you, 1340 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:38,920 and you're stupid. Both sides end up thinking that. So, I don't 1341 01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:43,079 know. As far as like the argumentation for against veganism, I definitely prefer 1342 01:40:43,159 --> 01:40:46,800 to go at it from the moral standpoint and use their own moral assumptions, 1343 01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,520 their own assumptions about morality, and use their own arguments against them so that 1344 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:55,319 they make the claim, the speciesism argument that they make very often. You 1345 01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:59,520 know, they'll talk about speciesism, they'll say, well, speciesism is arbitrarily 1346 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:04,319 treating one species different right in giving moral making it to where we can kill 1347 01:41:04,359 --> 01:41:10,239 animals, and whereas we know that it's wrong to kill humans, therefore we 1348 01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:13,600 shouldn't kill animals. You can turn that around on them and say, okay, 1349 01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,359 well, why is it okay for animals to eat other animals but it's 1350 01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:18,359 not okay for us? Are we going to go and prosecute the lion for 1351 01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:23,359 murder? Are we going to go prosecute mosquitoes for murder for eating our animal 1352 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,960 blood? Are they morally wrong for doing this? Right? So they're going 1353 01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,840 to be calling upon them, they're going to be using these naturalistic fallacies, 1354 01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:33,479 and you can really easily make them expose their arbitrary the arbitrary nature of their 1355 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,640 arguments and their bias against humans, right because they are species is against human 1356 01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:43,880 beings. They want to make the claim that human beings are somehow different from 1357 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,680 animals and we have moral agency, when they just claimed that we're all the 1358 01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,159 same. So right there, they're refuting themselves and they're showing that they don't 1359 01:41:50,199 --> 01:41:55,760 even believe the basic presuppositions that they're claiming. They believe and that they're using 1360 01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,800 to make their argument. I find that more fruitful for them because they see 1361 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,239 how arbitrary they're being. And they'll usually just end up going in a loop 1362 01:42:04,279 --> 01:42:08,359 after that. But eventually, maybe they'll think back on it and think, 1363 01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:12,479 Okay, well maybe something is a little bit amiss in my worldview, and 1364 01:42:13,159 --> 01:42:16,279 hopefully then question the deeper assumptions later on. Maybe they won't. Maybe they'll 1365 01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:19,840 just walk away thinking they want and you know, appealing to emotion we talked 1366 01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,399 about earlier. The appeals to emotion are really common, but some of them 1367 01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,880 do end up eventually, most of them do end up. They all end 1368 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,399 up leaving veganism. Anyways, Remember eighty five percent I think it was eighty 1369 01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:34,159 four percent of vegetarians and vegans within I think it was three to five years 1370 01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:41,960 leave the their what do you call the religion, right, they leave veganism 1371 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:46,119 vegetarianism eighty four percent of people. So the recidivism rate going back to so 1372 01:42:46,279 --> 01:42:49,640 called carnism is very, very high, and there are a lot of reasons 1373 01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,439 for that. First of all, it's nutrient deficient. Nobody can go long 1374 01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,840 term on these nutrient deficient diets. And the second of all. They eventually 1375 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,800 end up realizing how stupid it is, sick of being the most obnoxious person 1376 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:05,520 at the dinner table when they have to go visit their uh their they're you 1377 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:10,079 know, inhumane families and sit at the dinner table while they're eating meat. 1378 01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:12,399 They get sick of it, and they want meat, They crave it. 1379 01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,199 It's obvious and as they will often point out, you're right to not get 1380 01:43:15,239 --> 01:43:18,800 into the health debate side of it, because they will often tell you that 1381 01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:24,199 veganism is not a position related to health. It's an ethical position. You're 1382 01:43:24,199 --> 01:43:26,479 not supposed to You're not supposed to take this because it's healthier to you. 1383 01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,960 That's selfish of you, dude. Yeah, yeah, it's not a Veganism 1384 01:43:30,079 --> 01:43:34,039 is not a diet. Veganism is the exclusion of what is it, the 1385 01:43:34,279 --> 01:43:40,600 exclusion of animal foods and the reduction. Let's let's look up the definition of 1386 01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:46,199 veganism again, because this is actually hilarious if we go to definition according to 1387 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:54,760 the Vegan Society, the definition of veganism is. It seems like the chat 1388 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,520 has chilled out now the pagan the Pagans are not so pissed anymore. They've 1389 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:04,079 they've I've settled down there, right, So the vegan society, let's find 1390 01:44:04,119 --> 01:44:11,079 this definition of veganism a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far 1391 01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:16,560 as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation and cruelty to animals for 1392 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:20,560 food, clothing, or any other purpose. All of this is completely subjective, 1393 01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:26,560 possible, completely subjective. What do you mean as much as possible? 1394 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:30,680 Who determines what's possible? Right? Do you mean physically possible but not emotionally 1395 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,119 possible? What if I'm not emotionally able to not be vegan? What if 1396 01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:36,760 I can't emotionally give up my connection to me? What if it's not practicable 1397 01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:41,079 for me to give up animal foods because I feel like shit and wither away 1398 01:44:41,159 --> 01:44:44,439 and feel like crap? Right? But what if my health is crashing? 1399 01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,039 Does that make it impracticable? So this is very subjective. And then also 1400 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:53,680 exploitation. Who determines what is exploitation? Right? How do you know what 1401 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:57,840 is exploitation? How do you know what cruel What is cruel what is cruelty? 1402 01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,720 Right? So what is practicable? What is possible? What is exploitation? 1403 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:06,199 What is cruelty? So it's very very crappy legal ease here. I 1404 01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:10,399 mean, imagine if this was a law. Imagine if this was like international 1405 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,560 law, Like we are declaring this a hard law. Veganism as a way 1406 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,520 of living which seeks to exclude, as far as as possible and practical, 1407 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,399 all forms of exploitation of cruelty to animals for food, clothing, or any 1408 01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:25,920 other purpose. Man, the lawyers would have a freaking have a really fun 1409 01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:30,920 time with that one, because it's completely open to interpretation and is very very 1410 01:45:31,079 --> 01:45:36,640 loose, slippery legalise. So, I mean, even the very definition of 1411 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:42,039 veganism is something that I think is very important to bring up. How do 1412 01:45:42,079 --> 01:45:47,840 you know what's practicable? What is practicable? Not practical practicable? What does 1413 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:53,840 that even mean? It sounds a little more fancy than practical practicable. You 1414 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:59,720 add another syllable. It sounds why you guys gotta use all these college words 1415 01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:04,479 because he was in all these college wars. There's another one. You'll see 1416 01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:11,359 the false either or UH. That comes up a lot. You'll see that, 1417 01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,399 like like either you have to admit this is part of uh ask yourselves 1418 01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,920 dilemma that he tries to posit with you with the trade is that either you're 1419 01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:27,039 gonna eat humans, uh or you or a vegan, so on a simpler 1420 01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:31,159 on a simpler level, that's the false either or foulacy. Yeah yeah, 1421 01:46:31,319 --> 01:46:33,720 yeah. Well, so let's maybe we talk a little bit about name the 1422 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,560 trade, because that's some of these vegans they think that that's like, that's 1423 01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,640 that's there, that's their that's their God, right, that's their their second 1424 01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:47,000 coming of of Peter Singer and his heavy petting zoo. Is the is name 1425 01:46:47,079 --> 01:46:51,319 the trait? So name the trade. Argument is name the trade that makes 1426 01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:58,239 Let's just let's find the exactly what does a what does a human possess different 1427 01:46:58,279 --> 01:47:02,560 from an animal that makes it okay for you to eat an animal? Excuse 1428 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,520 me, what's the trait that an animal possesses that a human lacks that makes 1429 01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:12,000 it okay to eat animals but not humans. So when we start appealing to 1430 01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:15,479 the fact that we are made in God's image and we have the faculty of 1431 01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,239 reason and this kind of stuff and animals are not, then he'll try to 1432 01:47:18,279 --> 01:47:21,800 appeal to you can't go there because that's meta and that's matter, and we 1433 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,079 don't go don't go into the MATCHI mata has nothing to do with anything that, 1434 01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:28,520 Yeah, it does that's the whole that's why we don't grant to you 1435 01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,319 at this point. So when they say, name the trade that makes that 1436 01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,319 makes humans different from animals, where it makes it okay to eat animals but 1437 01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:39,880 not okay to eat humans, all you have to say is human beings are 1438 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,119 made in the image and likeness of God. Right, So they'll say, 1439 01:47:43,239 --> 01:47:46,600 well, you can't go there, that's not proven. Yeah, but we're 1440 01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,760 arguing world views. That's what that guy doesn't understand is that he's operating on 1441 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:57,239 a classical foundationalist assumption of how words and language and truth operates U And once 1442 01:47:57,279 --> 01:48:00,159 you try to point out that that's been refuted and that Wine refuses that even 1443 01:48:00,319 --> 01:48:04,720 up to today, So from David Hume all the whip to Kwine, nobody 1444 01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,119 has solved these dilemmas. And you'll notice you see there that ask yourself stuff 1445 01:48:09,159 --> 01:48:13,199 coming up because he's got he's actually promoting this at the behest of whoever his 1446 01:48:13,359 --> 01:48:15,199 logic professor is. He doesn't actually know what he's talking about, but he's 1447 01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,119 got a handler who sort of promotes his stuff. Does he have a logic 1448 01:48:18,199 --> 01:48:21,520 professor? Is he actually a student? I didn't know that. I thought 1449 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:26,319 he was Yeah, I highly doubt it. He doesn't know. He does 1450 01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:29,399 seem to have a lot of time like most students. Maybe he seems like 1451 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,600 one of those one of those perpetual students whose parents pay for him to go 1452 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:38,399 to school from the age of eighteen to forty five. And yeah, so 1453 01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:43,079 that's why he won't allow the conversation to deal with anything meta ethical or metaphysical, 1454 01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:47,239 because he wants you to assume classical foundationalism and to start the argument given 1455 01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:50,079 all of his premises, but to assume naturalism. He wants you to assume 1456 01:48:50,119 --> 01:48:56,399 materialism, which is complete nonsense. Why should we assume naturalism and materialism and 1457 01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:01,319 based compiricism too, So we gotta grant me all my assumptions, and I 1458 01:49:01,359 --> 01:49:09,319 will lead you to my conclusion exactly exactly. Let's see what are some other 1459 01:49:09,319 --> 01:49:12,039 comedy vegan arguments, because I mean that one falls apart really quickly, and 1460 01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:15,079 that's the one that they think is like the pinnacle. You tell me one 1461 01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:17,439 that you've heard a lot, and we'll see if we can find a foul 1462 01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,960 Like what's one of the more common ones that they will say, Tristan blah 1463 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,720 blah blah. Let's pull up some let's pull up some vegan debates. How 1464 01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:28,079 about that. We've got some vegan debates here, we can we can check 1465 01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:35,119 out some of these vegan jellicals. Let's see. I've got one, this 1466 01:49:35,279 --> 01:49:45,760 one, this one. So this guy's in the uh I put him. 1467 01:49:45,039 --> 01:49:49,439 He's got the best shirt that I've ever seen on a vegan. Sorry, 1468 01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:54,439 I have no need to get an ad blocker on this machine. Three two 1469 01:49:54,640 --> 01:50:02,880 one, all right, he's got the Soy Boys shirt. Oh you guys 1470 01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,319 can't see it yet? Excuse me? Can you can? I can? 1471 01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:08,880 I run to the restroomal quick while you play that clip? Yeah, take 1472 01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,800 it, take a break, run in the bathroom. I'll play the clip. 1473 01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:25,640 Let's see. There we go. Jay's gotta go fix his makeup. 1474 01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:35,800 Guys, we got a quick break here. Let's see all right, let 1475 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:40,760 me come back to the super chats. We got Eric Partello sending two bucks 1476 01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,239 says, keep up the good fight, guys, Thank you man, thank 1477 01:50:43,279 --> 01:50:45,600 you so much. Just a little announcement, we do do have a member 1478 01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,920 section of our website if you guys want to see exclusive content. We've got 1479 01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:53,319 a lot of exclusive content there on the site. I've been I've had some 1480 01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:57,520 fun debates with vegans on Instagram, and when there's a good Instagram live, 1481 01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:59,960 what we do is we archive it and we save it for the memo. 1482 01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,079 You've got a private members forum where we do monthly coaching calls, and you've 1483 01:51:03,079 --> 01:51:08,640 got to primal edgehealth dot com slash members or yeah, primal edge health dot 1484 01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:14,600 com slash membership. Let me look, let me make sure, let me 1485 01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,239 figure out what the other urels. Sorry, guys, I always forget to 1486 01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:25,119 talk about some of these things. So primal edgehealth dot com slash membership, 1487 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:29,279 it's the first link in the description down below. You guys can become members. 1488 01:51:29,319 --> 01:51:31,560 We do monthly coaching calls on their community of like minded people. 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The only foods that the 1506 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,880 body requires what are animal foods? The only foods that you can live off 1507 01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:53,640 of exclusively are animal foods. You can't live exclusively off of plant foods. 1508 01:52:54,399 --> 01:52:58,880 You will wither away if you do not supplement heavily. Then even with heavy 1509 01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:05,119 supplementation, you risk heavy degeneration. So check out the Carnivold cookbook. Jessica's 1510 01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:10,880 book Zero card recipes for people who really love animals and become a member of 1511 01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,800 the website for exclusive content. We've got some exclusive interviews there. We've got 1512 01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,800 some really good instagrams. Do some Instagram lives every once in a while that 1513 01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:23,239 are pretty fire. We save those and we save those debates, and we 1514 01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:29,119 put them up there for the members of the website. Chase taking a break 1515 01:53:29,159 --> 01:53:30,960 right now, They're gonna watch some vegan videos in the next segment. How 1516 01:53:31,039 --> 01:53:34,239 long? Oh, there you go? Cool, Sorry, there you go, 1517 01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:41,399 multoc guest multi guest three. All right, here we go. So 1518 01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:51,760 we've got this young gentleman. He's a the uber vegan here. I'm gonna 1519 01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:58,359 have to change the audio settings. The vegan uber men shown screen here over 1520 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:08,520 vegetable Ubervitch, the uber SOI so vegan uber minche Humane Hancock is here, 1521 01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:14,319 Humane Handcock. This is a real person. This is not satire. That's 1522 01:54:14,399 --> 01:54:18,920 his real face. That's not a cartoon of the New Mail right, like 1523 01:54:19,399 --> 01:54:24,880 he starts the video off in full soy face. He's a sadder version of 1524 01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:29,560 the Wodjack. You know, the Wodjack. All right, So I'm gonna 1525 01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,319 have to change I'm gonna change the source. Jay You're not gonna hear me 1526 01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:35,680 talking, but you'll hear this video and I'll just I will stop whenever you 1527 01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:39,560 want to stop. The audience will be able to hear you the video and 1528 01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,840 me. But because of my text skills, this is how I got to 1529 01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,359 do it. That's fine. I am at the London School of Economics and 1530 01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:50,840 Political Science where the student union have voted to place a ban on the sale 1531 01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:56,479 of beef on campus. I'm here to see what the students think and if 1532 01:54:56,479 --> 01:55:00,039 they would support a ban on the sale of the flesh of torture cows. 1533 01:55:00,319 --> 01:55:03,039 Let's see what they have to say. I'm Mark Hoffman. I'm the dean 1534 01:55:03,079 --> 01:55:08,640 of the General Course in Global Mobility and Teaching International Relations department, and I've 1535 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,119 been at the LLC for a very very long time. Okay, you need 1536 01:55:12,279 --> 01:55:18,960 specifically so you're aware of the potential ban on the sale of beef on campus. 1537 01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:23,199 Yes, yeah, And do you have an opinion on whether you would 1538 01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:27,239 support the ban or whether you be against it. I think I think it's 1539 01:55:27,239 --> 01:55:30,840 important that it's a choice for people on the campus to have non beef based 1540 01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,079 food back bas fods and that kind of stuff. In terms of the ban, 1541 01:55:34,199 --> 01:55:38,399 itself. I'm not sure. I'm convinced that's probably a useful way to 1542 01:55:38,439 --> 01:55:41,680 go. I can see the merits of it. I don't need a lot 1543 01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:46,399 of meat myself, so I wouldn't bother me particularly. But I think movie 1544 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,800 sustained sources of beef and you know where the beef comes from, that would 1545 01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,039 be an important part of a campaign. And outright, Ben, I'm not 1546 01:55:55,119 --> 01:56:00,560 sure about it. So the potential on the campus he wanted, he wanted 1547 01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:08,279 the longest style microphone is quite problematic. I think just the fact that the 1548 01:56:08,399 --> 01:56:14,600 consumption of beef overrule will be labeled as enronment environmentally on like unfriendly. I 1549 01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:17,600 think it's an issue. I think it's not beef as like a whole. 1550 01:56:18,479 --> 01:56:21,199 But it depends where you buy it. I mean, if you're getting it 1551 01:56:21,239 --> 01:56:24,920 from America, if you're getting it from South America. I mean, the 1552 01:56:25,039 --> 01:56:28,640 chemicals involved in that process is very different. If you say, for example, 1553 01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,600 get Scotch beef, and also with Scotch beef, you the meat being 1554 01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:36,520 produced there, not much else can grow, not much else can be produced 1555 01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:41,840 in that land, whereas in contrasting like South American stuff, if they're like 1556 01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,720 taking down rainforests, and such, then it's an issue. But I think 1557 01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,119 what I'm trying to say is it's more down to people having a greater appreciation 1558 01:56:50,199 --> 01:56:56,119 of what they're eating and where it's coming from. Feel like that's the decision 1559 01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:00,319 we're making. Do I really go in the supermarket podcast or whenever buying the 1560 01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:09,920 animal and that's arbitrary discrimination between them? What is the difference here? To 1561 01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,560 rewind this at the beginning of this argument, he cuts it up in a 1562 01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:18,079 weird way. Do you think that's the act of buying the animal products? 1563 01:57:18,119 --> 01:57:26,039 Then, is kind of contradicting your own morals? Possibly something? You know 1564 01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:31,319 what? You know what, I will say this, I will give vegans 1565 01:57:31,439 --> 01:57:36,399 credit for this one thing, which they don't intentionally try to do. But 1566 01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:41,079 the way that they have framed this debate when they go to name the trait 1567 01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:45,560 and all this stuff, this does force people to recognize that the debate is 1568 01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:50,159 not just about this or that fact, but that's actually it's actually our entire 1569 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:55,039 worldview. It's metaphysical exactly. It comes down to the worldview, and it 1570 01:57:55,159 --> 01:57:59,000 does force it. So that's why that's why that's the only place where I 1571 01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:00,680 like to engage with debate, Right Like I don't like to engage in the 1572 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,359 you know, the stupid back and forth the study. Well, that's why 1573 01:58:03,359 --> 01:58:05,680 they don't want to engage us on that debate too, because they know that 1574 01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:09,600 we can beat them there. Because what they want to do is trick a 1575 01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:14,640 bunch of normies to have the same naturalistic presuppositions that they have and point out 1576 01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:18,319 to them how on the naturalistic assumptions, then yes, you could lead a 1577 01:58:18,399 --> 01:58:23,680 person to veganism. Absolutely. Yeah, you know, I think it's funny. 1578 01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:27,800 Uh, they don't want to engage us on that argument. But for 1579 01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,680 some reason, on every single platform, I've had to ban Isaac because he 1580 01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:34,359 just obsessively comments trying to get me to debate him. I'm not sure what 1581 01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:39,640 Ask Yourself wants to. Yeah, he wants like a he's got this narcissistic 1582 01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,720 wound that occurred. And look, Isaac, those narcissistic wounds they heal with 1583 01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,560 time. Right. You know, you got to build up, build up 1584 01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,960 your narcissistic powers by bullying some more normies and then, uh, and then 1585 01:58:50,039 --> 01:58:54,239 maybe you can jump back on with the debate with somebody who will actually challenge 1586 01:58:54,279 --> 01:58:57,720 you and challenge your metaphysical presuppositions. Because I know you don't want to do 1587 01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,880 that, but it's funny. I don't know that he has to keep qualifying 1588 01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,319 where it's like, Okay, imagine that there is a zombie virus. Let's 1589 01:59:03,359 --> 01:59:06,399 let loose and it only affects half of the population, and we know for 1590 01:59:06,479 --> 01:59:10,520 certain that there's absolutely no way to save the zombie virus. And grant me 1591 01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,239 this, and grant me this, and grant me this, and grant me 1592 01:59:12,279 --> 01:59:15,119 those, and and then in that case, would you say that it's wrong 1593 01:59:15,439 --> 01:59:20,479 to eat animals? So it all relies on hypotheticals. Let's let's give me 1594 01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:26,960 a fake hypothetical situation. And in this fake is a computer on another planet, 1595 01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:32,119 and this computer was not made by any god. Does that computer runs 1596 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:39,159 the monkey? The monkey in the Cantalope fantasy fallacy? Yeah? Sorry, 1597 01:59:39,159 --> 01:59:40,960 you know, I know this cut out for a second there, guys, 1598 01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,760 But I think we're back now. I think we're good now. So yeah, 1599 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:48,279 they absolutely do. And they do a good job at making people realize 1600 01:59:48,319 --> 01:59:55,119 that this is not a physical argument. This is an argument on on on 1601 01:59:55,279 --> 01:59:58,920 something so simple as like health. And this is this goes down to the 1602 01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:03,159 deep metaphise presuppositions of your worldview. But of course the vegans will not allow 1603 02:00:03,279 --> 02:00:06,640 you to make them question that. If you make them question that, they 1604 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:12,319 start to self destruct because they are the most normy of the normies. Right, 1605 02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:17,239 They've just figured out one way to bypass a lot of people's rational mind 1606 02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:21,880 and to put them in kind of a kind of a schizophrenic state, almost 1607 02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:26,720 right with these questions. So yeah, let's let's hear what if he ever 1608 02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:30,960 goes somewhere with this argument, because I think he says it's a university professor 1609 02:00:30,039 --> 02:00:33,239 fails to justify animal abuse. But the way he edits this, he he 1610 02:00:33,399 --> 02:00:36,279 intentionally what this guy does. He goes out and he tries to get the 1611 02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:42,239 stupidest people to give him stupid answers and make the vegan look smarter than the 1612 02:00:42,319 --> 02:00:45,039 idiot retardants that he talked to. So it's kind of a it's kind of 1613 02:00:45,039 --> 02:00:49,920 a dishonest approach to it. See, I have to change the audio settings 1614 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:56,479 for you so that you can hear the Okay, wow, there you go. 1615 02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:06,560 What extent is kind of contradicting your own morals pleasure of why we eat? 1616 02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:11,239 But I suppose we have to look at why we're doing it, and 1617 02:01:11,359 --> 02:01:14,239 if we have a good enough reezing, perhaps it can be justified. Do 1618 02:01:14,319 --> 02:01:19,600 you think we have a good enough freezing in terms of why we eat meat? 1619 02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:29,880 Yeah? Why why we eat animals? In terms of food sourcing? 1620 02:01:30,039 --> 02:01:34,760 Probably arguments that know, in terms of that there are better, more healthy, 1621 02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:43,000 sustainable ways of putting food on your plate. Okay, I'm gonna I'm 1622 02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:48,319 gonna stop that right there, because this is where the average normy who just 1623 02:01:48,359 --> 02:01:54,760 spends his days watching TV and listening to the rhetoric on the television, they 1624 02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:58,399 can't refute this because they buy into all this bullshit that they hear. Right, 1625 02:01:58,479 --> 02:02:00,600 how many times has it been repeated to most of us that animal foods 1626 02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,359 are bad, Animal foods are destroying the planet, Animal foods are making the 1627 02:02:03,399 --> 02:02:08,319 climate change. The gods are mad, the gods are angry, the climate 1628 02:02:08,399 --> 02:02:13,000 is changing. Oh shoot, I don't hear you. Hold on, Are 1629 02:02:13,039 --> 02:02:20,680 you muted? Some people's choice? Jay? Can you check if you're muted 1630 02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:39,079 on your I don't hear you. I hear shoot, all right, my 1631 02:02:39,159 --> 02:02:47,319 speaker is working. I think you're muted on your end. Jay. You 1632 02:02:47,439 --> 02:03:08,840 hear me though? Right? Uh h h, Jay, can you hear 1633 02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:17,359 me? You can't hear me? Now you can hear me, I can 1634 02:03:17,439 --> 02:03:19,039 hear you now, Yeah, okay, we're good. All right, Sorry, 1635 02:03:19,079 --> 02:03:23,159 guys, I miss what you were saying, and I think the audience 1636 02:03:23,239 --> 02:03:26,039 wasn't able to hear it as well. What was that you? You didn't 1637 02:03:26,039 --> 02:03:29,960 hear what I said? I haven't heard anything for about a minute. All 1638 02:03:30,039 --> 02:03:31,760 right, So but you heard the argument that he made, right, it's 1639 02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:35,079 unsustainable to eat meat. I did heard that part, yeah, all right. 1640 02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:38,880 So basically, I'm just saying most normies are so programmed by the cultural 1641 02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,640 zeitgeist. They believe that the hashtag climate crisis is coming to kill them. 1642 02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,800 The climate is changing because people won't eat the kibble. The climate is changing 1643 02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,439 because animals exist and cows are farting, and they're making the climate change. 1644 02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:55,159 And this is absolutely untrue. And this is complete social engineering. Right. 1645 02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:59,399 They're going after your most crucial and important food source. They're telling us that 1646 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:01,920 our source of life, our source of food, not our source of life, 1647 02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,840 but our source of food and sustenance. Here, the only way that 1648 02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:08,880 we can feed our families off of our own land is with animal foods, 1649 02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:13,199 right, And they're telling us that's unsustainable. That's bad. Most normies aren't 1650 02:04:13,239 --> 02:04:15,880 going to push back on this, especially at you know, a place like 1651 02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,960 Oxford where the social engineering is so thick, because that's where it's spreading out 1652 02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:23,560 of, right, Oxford University, Harvard University, Yale. These are some 1653 02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:29,920 of the intellectual strongholds of the Anglo American establishment, and this is where a 1654 02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,560 lot of the social engineering begins and starts and then spreads out through television, 1655 02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:38,319 through media, and through all these mouthpieces and useful idiots like Herbie Hancock here, 1656 02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:45,199 I'm sorry, Humane Handcock here, and Freud and sleep Herbie Hancock. 1657 02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:47,640 Every time you hear Herbie Hancock, you think of that line and Tommy Boy. 1658 02:04:49,399 --> 02:04:55,600 But so yeah, so the guy has no refutation for this. But 1659 02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:59,399 anybody who's watching this channel would be able to refute this, right if you 1660 02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:02,359 look at the the environmental devastation and destruction that's done by soy production, by 1661 02:05:02,479 --> 02:05:08,079 vegetable agriculture, by the gmo revolution, by the green revolution, where we're 1662 02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:11,760 destroying our top soil. We're tilling up that top soil, spraying all these 1663 02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:15,279 agrochemicals on it that are wrecking the soil. And of course you have consolidated 1664 02:05:15,359 --> 02:05:20,680 food supply run by transnational corporations bank rolled by the international banks. These people 1665 02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:23,800 aren't going to talk about that, are pushed back on that, but it's 1666 02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:28,760 very important to show them that they're absolutely wrong that agriculture in the big egg 1667 02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:33,279 industry is destroying our soil, and it's for vegetable agriculture the beyond burger and 1668 02:05:33,359 --> 02:05:40,359 the impossible burger way more destructive than beef. Beef can actually regenerate soil. 1669 02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:44,520 You need animal inputs to grow vegetables unless you're going to be using a bunch 1670 02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:50,439 of toxic NPK fertilizers, a bunch of toxic pesticides and agrochemicals and machinery. 1671 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:57,119 So these people are hypocritical as shit and don't even realize it. Well, 1672 02:05:57,159 --> 02:06:01,880 this is the unfortunate effect of choosing to be in normy them. If you 1673 02:06:02,319 --> 02:06:08,840 choose to mock people like myself or you and call this conspiracy theorists and you 1674 02:06:09,079 --> 02:06:14,159 you you, you decide that you want to be in in the matrix. 1675 02:06:14,359 --> 02:06:17,640 Uh, then you're going you're going to pay the cost uh when when you 1676 02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:21,479 reject the truth. Right, so you're going to go along with the narrative 1677 02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:27,439 of climate change and overpopulation and all of this stuff. GMOs that you you've 1678 02:06:27,439 --> 02:06:31,000 been talking about, You're going to default except the normy lifestyle, the normy 1679 02:06:31,079 --> 02:06:35,520 diet, the normy worldview. And this is going to be destructive for you 1680 02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:41,880 because that entire worldview is engineered to make sure that you are alienated, alone, 1681 02:06:42,399 --> 02:06:46,239 childless, in a coffin apartment in a smart city, and it's it's 1682 02:06:46,319 --> 02:06:50,000 engineer for your destruction. You're actually buying your own destruction. So it's not 1683 02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:55,600 it's it's not actually hurting us who live in the real world. You you 1684 02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:59,760 know, living out there actually being sustainable, not being sustainable in this phony 1685 02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:02,520 co p a sence, but actually being sustainable in Ecuador. So you know, 1686 02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:08,880 we've got we've got two different world views of this false counter culture that 1687 02:07:09,039 --> 02:07:11,560 these people are involved in. They think that they're the rebels. It's all 1688 02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:15,680 completely corporate created counter culture, and they laugh at people like us who actually 1689 02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:21,880 live healthy lifestyles, who actually seek spiritual health, seek seek physical health, 1690 02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:28,520 and they want to castigate us as quote conspiracy theres But the reality is that 1691 02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:30,880 that you can't make reality what you want it to be. You either conform 1692 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:36,039 to reality or you suffer the consequences. Yeah, yeah, I've got the 1693 02:07:36,119 --> 02:07:39,520 sun I don't have to cover this. I got this skylight up at the 1694 02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:43,600 top, and it's like burning my head right now. So baldman bad's got 1695 02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:45,359 to put his goofy hat on. Guys, I've got my I got my 1696 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:50,439 my farmer hat on today. But absolutely, man, I mean, these 1697 02:07:50,479 --> 02:07:55,720 people have no idea what's actually destroying their health, and they're blaming it on 1698 02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:58,760 the animal foods that they barely eat. Anyways, this guy barely eats me. 1699 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,840 You know this guy probably, this guy's got pre diabetic looking body. 1700 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:09,720 I mean, the guy obviously, he's unhealthy, pudgy, pale, old 1701 02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:13,760 professor at this university. And this guy probably wonders why it feels like shit 1702 02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:16,720 all the time. And he's thinking that meat is a problem, that animal 1703 02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:22,159 foods are a major problem, when you know, animal foods are first of 1704 02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:26,760 all, not inherently unsustainable at all. Second of all, the very economic 1705 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:31,880 entities that created this globalist system of food production, the very economic entities that 1706 02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:37,039 created these massive slaughterhouses, consolidated the meat processing and meat packing industry in the 1707 02:08:37,159 --> 02:08:41,560 United States on behalf of four corporations. Right, you got JBS, Cargill, 1708 02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:46,800 Tyson Foods, and the other one I forget this name, it's not 1709 02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:54,520 bunge. But the meat packing industry is completely consolidated. But those same corporate 1710 02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:58,920 entities are also pushing the plant based kibbl on you right. Cargill, who 1711 02:08:58,039 --> 02:09:01,800 owns much of the meat processing industry in the United States. It's responsible for 1712 02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:05,600 what the vegans call factory farming, which in and of itself, the term 1713 02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:11,520 factory farming is it's kind of a red herring, and factory farming itself is 1714 02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:16,119 essentially a straw man. These people are getting you to destroy your ability to 1715 02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:18,600 feed yourself off your own land, getting you to destroy your ability to get 1716 02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:24,439 nutrient indetched, nursing, nourishing animal foods because of the economic system that they 1717 02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:28,039 set up. So you have the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, which 1718 02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:33,399 consists of some of the biggest polluters in the world. You've got BP Shell, 1719 02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:39,600 You've got Cargill, You've got Monsanto, bay Or Pharmaceutical mrk ikea, 1720 02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:46,000 Starbucks, Google, all members of the World Business Council for Sustainable Development talking 1721 02:09:46,039 --> 02:09:48,720 about we're going to be sustainable, We're gonna change, We're gonna make everything 1722 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:54,560 sustainable, and they are pushing for plant based diets they are pushing for banning 1723 02:09:54,640 --> 02:10:00,960 meats, and they're pushing for a global economic order that will essentially EXAs big 1724 02:10:01,079 --> 02:10:05,880 agriculture, big pharma, and the mass production of these plant based junk foods 1725 02:10:07,159 --> 02:10:09,640 in lieu of the healthy foods that you actually need to survive, making you 1726 02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:15,840 further dependent on pharmaceutical drugs, making you further dependent on a massive supplement industry 1727 02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:20,119 that is also dependent on massive inputs of slave labor. All right, so 1728 02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:28,600 all these vegans happen, all right, I'm back. So anyways, that 1729 02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,640 cobalt that's required for all you vegans to take your vitamin B twelve supplements, 1730 02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:37,720 they're using fermentation to make that, and they have to use raw materials that 1731 02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:41,399 come from slave labor, from child, from children in the congo. All 1732 02:10:41,479 --> 02:10:46,000 right, So you are destroying the planet in order to harvest all this cobalt 1733 02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:48,960 so that you can actually take your vitamin B twelve supplements, eat your plant 1734 02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:54,319 based kibble that's mass manufactured by the very economic entities who you believe is creating 1735 02:10:54,399 --> 02:11:01,319 this so called animal holocaust. And you are right actually destroying the ecology or 1736 02:11:01,319 --> 02:11:05,000 whatever you want to call it. You're actually destroying the top soil you're actually 1737 02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,680 destroying your own gut. You're actually destroying economically the global South and a lot 1738 02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:15,159 of the poor nations in the third world countries of the world with your choices. 1739 02:11:15,399 --> 02:11:18,039 But you think it's good. You're patting yourselves on the back, telling 1740 02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:20,880 yourselves that you are so enlightened, that you're so much better than everyone. 1741 02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:24,880 So it's totally backwards. Sorry, how's the connection? Now? They had 1742 02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:31,680 to cut out? Right then? All right? You hear me still? 1743 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:39,800 D right? Jay? Jay? You there? Yeah, I'm here. 1744 02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:48,199 Sorry, okay, okay, cool, let me switch the audio over here. 1745 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:50,680 All right, let's listen to his argument. See where he actually goes 1746 02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:58,800 with us. Take that's going to be a different argument. Yeah, I 1747 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:01,720 mean, do you think that's the sensory pleasure people get from eating animals? 1748 02:12:03,079 --> 02:12:07,079 Is that a good enough justification for the violence to the animals? Probably not. 1749 02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:11,359 Do you see any ethical issue with the act of killing at all? 1750 02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:16,720 No? So if I was to kill my camera man, would that be 1751 02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:24,079 an ethical issue? I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna dove into 1752 02:12:24,119 --> 02:12:28,319 that too much. But in a human context, a human like humans killing 1753 02:12:28,399 --> 02:12:33,119 humans, of course, we're told that like this goes against every kind of 1754 02:12:33,399 --> 02:12:41,279 natural, like justice, like like human nature. But I do not have 1755 02:12:41,359 --> 02:12:46,920 an issue with killing an animal. I think you do it efficiently and like 1756 02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:48,560 you have to value it, you have to value like. Sorry, now 1757 02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:52,800 he's gonna say, what if I kill you and I value you for the 1758 02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:56,640 caucus, for the meat and as long as I respect it, that's okay. 1759 02:12:56,159 --> 02:13:00,319 So you wouldn't accept it in a human context. No, So my 1760 02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,399 question is as good to hear. My question is what is the difference, 1761 02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:07,840 I guess, the moral difference between killing the animal killing the human. Yeah, 1762 02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:13,079 I mean that's a good question. That's a fucking good question. I 1763 02:13:13,239 --> 02:13:24,760 mean it's tough. It's just like food chain. I am very willing to 1764 02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:31,399 see an animal as something I can consume and it's something that you. Okay. 1765 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:35,159 So again with that name the trade, right, they always got to 1766 02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:39,520 do the name the trade argument, and this dude completely fails the name the 1767 02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:43,840 trade thing and it works on most ormies. Right, this name the trade 1768 02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,079 argument, that what's the difference? Why can't I kill animals but I can't 1769 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:50,960 kill you? These people who believe that we're just beasts. If you believe 1770 02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:56,199 in this beastial philosophy of Darwinism, of materialism, then you can fall prey 1771 02:13:56,239 --> 02:13:58,880 to this, all right. So that's why I think it's always important to 1772 02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:03,319 go down to the paradigm level. You look at the foundations of their worldview, 1773 02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:05,720 their epistemology, where they're coming from, and you question that. But 1774 02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:11,680 of course this guy, he's an Oxford was Oxford University student, and he 1775 02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:18,119 doesn't even think to do that, you hear me, right, Yeah, 1776 02:14:18,479 --> 02:14:24,239 I'm sorry. You can slay by vegans online or what you can a whole 1777 02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:28,159 bunch of drama. At the same time, I started looking at that when 1778 02:14:28,199 --> 02:14:30,079 it cut out for like a minute, so I'm sorry, I got I 1779 02:14:30,119 --> 02:14:33,840 got distracted. Did I cut out again? I mean a minute ago? 1780 02:14:33,039 --> 02:14:37,520 Not right now? Yeah? Okay, all right, So basically the name 1781 02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:39,279 of the trade shit all over again? Yeah, I mean, does it 1782 02:14:43,079 --> 02:14:46,079 again? You have to accept their starting point. So if you want to 1783 02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:52,319 accurately critique or respond to a vegan, you're gonna have to be willing to 1784 02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:56,439 call out and not admit their starting points. And most people are not going 1785 02:14:56,520 --> 02:15:00,239 to do that because most people don't think in a worldview sense. But I 1786 02:15:00,319 --> 02:15:01,880 think that the content that you put out, the content that I put out, 1787 02:15:03,159 --> 02:15:07,399 what we try to do is actually train people to be able to recognize 1788 02:15:07,479 --> 02:15:13,319 these, uh, these fallacies, these these incorrect procedures and reasoning. And 1789 02:15:13,399 --> 02:15:16,880 if you can't do that, you will get duped by this stuff. Like 1790 02:15:16,119 --> 02:15:20,680 it's very easy to get duped when you grant people their starting points. That's 1791 02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:24,560 why transcendental argumentation is so powerful. Presuppositional critiques are so powerful. It is 1792 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:31,199 because you don't allow the person to to let you be led down their path. 1793 02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:33,000 Right. You're you're saying, wait a minute, before we go down 1794 02:15:33,079 --> 02:15:37,640 your road to your desired end, Let's talk about why I'm on your road. 1795 02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,560 Let's talk about the meaning of the road that you want to take me 1796 02:15:41,640 --> 02:15:45,159 down. How do I know that you even have a road that's coherent to 1797 02:15:45,239 --> 02:15:48,439 go down? Maybe you're leading me off a cliff. Maybe this road ends, 1798 02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:50,079 you know, at a cliff, So you want to you want to 1799 02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:54,199 not even start down their road. Right, So, if I'm interviewing this, 1800 02:15:54,319 --> 02:15:56,600 if this dude's interviewing me, I wish you would come up to me 1801 02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:01,039 and ask me questions. I guarantee he wouldn't air the clip, but you 1802 02:16:01,079 --> 02:16:07,000 wouldn't come on. I mean, I would say Herbie Hancock, John Hancock 1803 02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:13,800 or John Hancock come on and debate myself where you could go on to debate 1804 02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:16,640 Jay. Come on, man, come and talk to me or Jay or 1805 02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:20,920 both of us. We'd love to, uh to actually hash out this conversation 1806 02:16:20,039 --> 02:16:24,920 with you, because, yeah, let's do some simple questions. What are 1807 02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,800 ethics, where do ethics come from? How do we know what is morally 1808 02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,359 right or wrong? How do we know what's morally right or wrong? And 1809 02:16:31,439 --> 02:16:33,680 they're going to come down to appealing to emotion, which they'll tell you you 1810 02:16:35,319 --> 02:16:39,399 can't appeal to emotion. That's a fallacy if you try to appeal to emotion, 1811 02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:41,360 because they understand some of the logical fallacies. These people have studied it. 1812 02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:46,639 But they will make the same mistakes that they claim other people are making, 1813 02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:48,719 so it's uh, they'll do special pleading. This is another one you'll 1814 02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:52,120 see a lot with these kind of people, is is that you're held to 1815 02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:56,159 a standard that they're not right, Like I don't have to justify my claims. 1816 02:16:56,600 --> 02:17:01,600 You got to justify your claims, Well, why do you think it's 1817 02:17:01,639 --> 02:17:07,840 okay to promote the unnecessary suffering of animals? And you can say, well, 1818 02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,280 why do you think it's okay to promote the unnecessary suffering of humans on 1819 02:17:11,319 --> 02:17:13,920 a vegan diet. All right, if I was forced to be on a 1820 02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:16,479 vegan diet, I would be suffering. That would craz No, mate, 1821 02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:20,399 I don't have to answer that question. The burietening proof is on you, 1822 02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:24,280 mate, so they'll switch the burden proof, right, Yeah, absolutely sorry. 1823 02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:28,200 Let's let's watch a couple more minutes of this, uh, and then 1824 02:17:28,239 --> 02:17:31,120 we could start wrapping up. We can finish this video and then we could 1825 02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,040 wrap it up. We've been going for like two hours. You guys, 1826 02:17:33,079 --> 02:17:35,399 got any more superchats, throw them in there. I want to thank all 1827 02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:39,360 you guys for the superchats, even though a lot of them were totally off 1828 02:17:39,479 --> 02:17:43,600 topic. I see the people who are asking the off topic superchat questions. 1829 02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:46,159 They're gone now. They don't even care about the content of this. It's 1830 02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:48,120 not funny. They just come in and they just go around. They try 1831 02:17:48,200 --> 02:17:50,799 to bring things in their own little direction. They don't care about the content 1832 02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:54,280 you're actually trying to make. They want you to talk about what they want 1833 02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:58,200 to talk about. So it's kind of annoying. But you know what, 1834 02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:01,680 you guys are welcome if you stay on point one. Guy's still here. 1835 02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:03,719 No, there you go, there you go. Some of them are still 1836 02:18:03,719 --> 02:18:05,920 here. So some of them do care. And I know that name. 1837 02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:09,079 I know you've been around for a while, so you're not guilty of that. 1838 02:18:09,159 --> 02:18:11,920 But there were some people in there. They don't care about this content. 1839 02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:15,719 They just want to spread their They just want to spread their questions about 1840 02:18:15,719 --> 02:18:16,879 and that's cool. It's the internet. Do what you got to do. 1841 02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:20,840 So let's sell. Let's finish this. Using my judgment, I can kill. 1842 02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:26,360 And if I was to say to you, using my judgment, I'm 1843 02:18:26,360 --> 02:18:30,600 happy to see this cameraman as meat and I want to eat him, that 1844 02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:35,959 wouldn't necessarily make it moral right. They're just my I mean, some murders 1845 02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:39,559 and rapist they see themselves doing something okay, But we'd say there's a victim, 1846 02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:41,799 there's a victim to your choice, and when it comes to killing an 1847 02:18:41,799 --> 02:18:43,639 animal, I guess there's a victim to our choice. So the question becomes, 1848 02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:50,399 how do we justify the act. You said before that if the action 1849 02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:56,159 is hurting someone else, then it's justified in being banned. Do you think 1850 02:18:56,239 --> 02:18:58,600 that's killing the cow or breeding and using the cow? Is that hurting the 1851 02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:07,639 cow? Okay? So so hurting right, unjustified hurting what you just pointed 1852 02:19:07,719 --> 02:19:11,360 out. I mean, there's so many assumptions wrapped up into this that it's 1853 02:19:11,520 --> 02:19:18,280 wrong to hurt beings, or that beings in all cases, that we should 1854 02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:22,879 avoid suffering. I mean this is arbitrary, Like on what basis do we 1855 02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:26,239 know that it's wrong or we that we should avoid suffering? Now I think 1856 02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:31,120 that yes, in the sense you can say that we should avoid unnecessary suffering. 1857 02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:37,159 But this argument is being expanded from avoiding unnecessary suffering too. Therefore we 1858 02:19:37,239 --> 02:19:41,440 should not eat meat. That's where he's trying to take this what is necessary? 1859 02:19:41,559 --> 02:19:43,719 How do we determine what's necessary and what's not. It's not even necessary 1860 02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:46,879 for me to be alive. I mean, if it's good for us to 1861 02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:50,959 eat meat, then that is a necessary suffering that is part of this world. 1862 02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:52,479 And also yeah, absolutely, and a lot of these people they're going 1863 02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:54,959 to say, oh, well, he and I don't adhere to the Christian 1864 02:19:54,959 --> 02:20:00,479 worldview. I don't believe in a god, but I'm more aligned with Buddhism, 1865 02:20:01,159 --> 02:20:05,879 with even Hindimism. What Buddhism said. Buddhism says that life is suffering, 1866 02:20:05,239 --> 02:20:07,840 so life is suffering, Yet you want to get rid of all suffering. 1867 02:20:07,879 --> 02:20:09,520 So I guess you want to get rid of all life, right, 1868 02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:15,040 And some of them are actually they actually do and they will be consistent with 1869 02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:16,319 that, and they want to stop all suffering in the animal world. So 1870 02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:20,760 if this guy asked this to me, I would say, what, how 1871 02:20:20,799 --> 02:20:24,559 do we determine what suffering is necessary? How do we determine something is suffering? 1872 02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:26,840 How do we determine something is being harmed? And what's necessary or not? 1873 02:20:28,239 --> 02:20:31,040 But also, okay, so if we should stop all unnecessary harm and 1874 02:20:31,079 --> 02:20:37,280 suffering, what about insects eating other insects? What about animals eating other animals? 1875 02:20:37,559 --> 02:20:41,399 What about I mean, we are chickens we had That'll be necessary, 1876 02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:45,000 right, That'll be necessary. It's natural to say, well, that's just 1877 02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:46,680 natural. We're interfering in their natural life. He said, well, how 1878 02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:50,200 do you? Then? We have special bleeding and we have the appeal to 1879 02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:54,719 nature. Felts and human beings are apparently not natural in their worldview too, 1880 02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:58,719 So everything's nature. Accept human beings in their world beings, yes, another 1881 02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:03,280 version of special please, and also trying to reconcile their deep knowledge that there 1882 02:21:03,399 --> 02:21:07,040 is a fall and that the natural world is fallen, right, but without 1883 02:21:07,079 --> 02:21:11,680 actually adhering to the truth of the theology of the fall right, Like, 1884 02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:16,399 everybody sees that the world has fallen, but they're unable to reconcile it or 1885 02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:20,239 describe it in their worldview without proper theology. And that's why I think it's 1886 02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:22,680 important to read stuff, you know, to read like the Church Fathers and 1887 02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:28,040 to actually understand why we have such a weird interpretation of nature. They'll also 1888 02:21:28,079 --> 02:21:31,280 appeal to authority too, Like this guy when he's out here doing this kind 1889 02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:33,600 of stuff, he was doing it with the professor too, where he's like, 1890 02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:37,920 we all know climate change international institutions, right, they'll do this thing 1891 02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:41,760 where it's like we all know. And that's just not just the appeal to 1892 02:21:41,879 --> 02:21:46,120 nature, but the appeal to authority that these international institutions have declared that the 1893 02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:50,040 sun has no connection to climate and humans are the cause of the change in 1894 02:21:50,079 --> 02:21:54,079 the climate. Those are appeals to authority. Yeah, we're obviously in the 1895 02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:56,120 sixth mass extinction. You know, this is the sixth mass extinction. The 1896 02:21:56,200 --> 02:22:00,920 world is dying. Everybody is dying. Extinction, rebellion. We're here trying 1897 02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:03,159 to save the world, to save the planets, and if you all just 1898 02:22:03,239 --> 02:22:07,079 go vegan and eat the kibble and cut off your genitals and abort all your 1899 02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:11,200 babies, we will definitely, we will definitely stop the climate crisis. And 1900 02:22:11,319 --> 02:22:16,239 it's I mean, it's you know, there's so many ways that you can 1901 02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:18,319 that you can approach this, that you can debunk it, but they always 1902 02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:22,239 pick the normies who are never going to challenge them all this stuff. And 1903 02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:24,479 if somebody does challenge them, will they edit it into it. I don't 1904 02:22:26,040 --> 02:22:28,079 know. I don't think I would add too that that I do want to 1905 02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:31,719 make one clarification because somebody will probably make a point about this. So in 1906 02:22:31,799 --> 02:22:37,559 the cases of appeal to authority or in the cases of appealing to scientific journals 1907 02:22:37,639 --> 02:22:41,239 and papers, I'm obviously not saying that you can't ever bring in the testimony 1908 02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:45,680 of an authority or an expert, or appeal to a paper. The point 1909 02:22:45,799 --> 02:22:50,559 is that you're not going to solve a large scale question by appealing to specific 1910 02:22:50,799 --> 02:22:56,479 papers, because this is known as the underdetermination of data problem in philosophy, 1911 02:22:56,920 --> 02:23:03,360 is that that specific instances data cannot tell you which paradigm explanations are necessarily true 1912 02:23:03,399 --> 02:23:07,200 or false. You can have a lot of data that can fit perfectly into 1913 02:23:07,239 --> 02:23:11,000 two different paradigms. So you might have to be end up comparing the two 1914 02:23:11,079 --> 02:23:15,159 paradigms three, two, Hello, one zero? Whens it now it's back. 1915 02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:18,719 It's like it goes out for ten to fifteen seconds when it does. 1916 02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:28,479 Yeah, hey you hear me back? Cool? Yeah, all right, 1917 02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:33,639 So let's listen to him finish up with the with the professor here with a 1918 02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:39,959 good professor. I mean, you know they say they have all these ethical 1919 02:23:39,079 --> 02:23:45,479 methods of killing. That sounds like antymoron. You could say there is some 1920 02:23:45,799 --> 02:23:48,719 cost treating meat where there is some benefit to a you meat that it tastes 1921 02:23:48,799 --> 02:23:52,959 nice. Maybe that's squared. Maybe ethically it's not quite squared. I mean, 1922 02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:56,200 what do you think? Do you think that a sensory pleasure can justify 1923 02:23:56,600 --> 02:24:01,520 violence? That seems to be darker? To be honest, when we say 1924 02:24:01,559 --> 02:24:05,399 it like that, how would we morally justify the act? Oh? I'm 1925 02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:13,120 not sure? Do you do you think that the act of buying the animal 1926 02:24:13,159 --> 02:24:20,120 products then is kind of contradicting your own morals? Possibly? Again, something 1927 02:24:22,079 --> 02:24:26,639 if I started thinking about more deeply contemplate doing different kinds of things. Something 1928 02:24:26,639 --> 02:24:28,360 I'm keen to talk to you about is kind of looking at an argument from 1929 02:24:28,360 --> 02:24:35,280 consistency. So if we imagine I appreciate the honesty, do you think that 1930 02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:39,200 this essentially pleasure that like the taste pleasure we get from the animals, is 1931 02:24:39,239 --> 02:24:45,879 that more important than their life and they're and their suffering. It's the sacrifice 1932 02:24:45,879 --> 02:24:48,440 I'm willing to take. Yeah, But but in any of the context, 1933 02:24:48,479 --> 02:25:01,200 would you accept pleasure as a good not justification for violence? And you got 1934 02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:05,079 me stumped fair enough. I appreciate I'm putting on the spot here, you 1935 02:25:05,159 --> 02:25:11,360 know, the whole realm of oh Jainism where every life is exactly equal. 1936 02:25:11,399 --> 02:25:13,319 And obviously some people won't take it that far, but I don't agree with 1937 02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:16,280 that. But but then you could say, they'll look at you and say, 1938 02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:20,559 how they're you're inhumate for killing the fly. But I see, I 1939 02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:22,959 wouldn't kill I wouldn't kill the fly. I mean, I don't believe a 1940 02:25:22,959 --> 02:25:24,399 fly is equal to me or you, But that doesn't mean I need to 1941 02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:30,959 kill them. I suppose do you think? So he doesn't believe the fly 1942 02:25:31,319 --> 02:25:35,079 is equal, right, So he's being speciesis here, he's being arbitrary? 1943 02:25:35,159 --> 02:25:39,200 So what makes it different? What makes a fly different from a human Herbie 1944 02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:45,760 Hancock, Come on, man, yeah so so yeah, it's interesting that 1945 02:25:45,879 --> 02:25:48,959 they think that name the trait is so powerful. And I guess again, 1946 02:25:48,280 --> 02:25:52,440 from the Bench's point of naturalism, it would be really powerful if I accept 1947 02:25:52,479 --> 02:26:01,680 all his assumptions about metaphysics and epistemology and ethics. Naturalists. Yeah, it's 1948 02:26:01,719 --> 02:26:05,559 a pretty solid argument, but you haven't justified your starting point, and that's 1949 02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:09,520 where ironically all the philosophy goes. This is actually, this is illustrated because 1950 02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:15,200 if you have the normy kind of empiricist approach, this is kind of where 1951 02:26:15,239 --> 02:26:18,520 you would be led if you follow along this train of thought. Yeah, 1952 02:26:18,559 --> 02:26:24,479 well, I mean you'd be led into any you could be You could be 1953 02:26:24,559 --> 02:26:26,840 led into any nonsense, degenerate activity you want. It could be justified. 1954 02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:31,159 Right, there's a way that you could frame an argument for the normy kind 1955 02:26:31,239 --> 02:26:37,280 of the naturalist worldview where you could justify almost anything. Right, You can 1956 02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:41,920 justify mass murder as well as a normy is it's just evolution, Like, 1957 02:26:41,079 --> 02:26:45,120 don't you want to win evolution? Well, let's kill all the males and 1958 02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:48,120 take the females and breathe them, right, I mean, it's like you 1959 02:26:48,280 --> 02:26:50,920 win evolution. If you do that, it just might makes right. So 1960 02:26:50,959 --> 02:26:56,159 I think the materialistic worldview, it's not able to refute much of anything, 1961 02:26:56,559 --> 02:27:01,360 and it's not able to hold its own ground's much of anything. I think 1962 02:27:01,399 --> 02:27:07,000 that's kind of that's kind of the ultimate my ultimate takeaway here from a lot 1963 02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:09,360 of these Vegan arguments. Most normies fall prey to this stuff. It's not 1964 02:27:09,479 --> 02:27:15,920 hard for him to fall prey doing yeah, all right, yeah, that's 1965 02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:18,719 why you got a basic lawsuit. I think what we've been trying to outline 1966 02:27:18,760 --> 02:27:22,600 here today is understanding basic fallacies. If you want to print out just you 1967 02:27:22,680 --> 02:27:24,799 know, go online, print out the list of like basic fallacies, you 1968 02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:28,639 know, and if you're if you're aware of just a few of the more 1969 02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:31,280 the more obvious ones, you'll you'll be doing pretty good because most of the 1970 02:27:31,399 --> 02:27:35,440 time, ninety percent of the time, you're getting at hominem, you're getting 1971 02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:39,360 straw man, you're getting bandwagon, you're getting appeal to authority, you're getting 1972 02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:46,680 appeal to nature. Those are usually the all right, now, it's come 1973 02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:52,680 back, all right, Well, I see the pattern and how the and 1974 02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:56,680 how my internet goes in and out, and I'm going to try and get 1975 02:27:56,719 --> 02:28:01,319 this ironed out with my service provider. Thank you to every for all the 1976 02:28:01,399 --> 02:28:03,479 generous super chats. We come over here and see if there's any superchats left. 1977 02:28:05,879 --> 02:28:09,479 It is exhausting debating these vegans, but it actually does. It falls 1978 02:28:09,479 --> 02:28:13,159 apart really quickly if you ask them the right questions and you turn their questions 1979 02:28:13,239 --> 02:28:16,239 right around on them. So, if you guys want to debate the if 1980 02:28:16,239 --> 02:28:20,520 you guys want to debate the scientific aspects of veganos, you want to debate 1981 02:28:20,559 --> 02:28:26,000 the science of plant based versus omnivorous versus a carnivorous diet, you guys have 1982 02:28:26,159 --> 02:28:30,079 at it. But I'm all about what really works. It's about what works 1983 02:28:30,120 --> 02:28:33,719 in your individual context, what works in your situation as far as diet goes. 1984 02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:35,920 If you want to eat a plant based diet, I got no problem 1985 02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:37,760 with it. You can do that. I'm absolutely fine with it. If 1986 02:28:37,799 --> 02:28:41,639 you want to force it on the world and try to take away our animals 1987 02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:43,600 and our right to feed our kids and our right to feed ourselves, and 1988 02:28:43,639 --> 02:28:48,159 if you're going to poison kids with your nutrained, deficient diet and starve your 1989 02:28:48,239 --> 02:28:52,600 kids with it, I think that's problematic. And I think that's morally wrong. 1990 02:28:52,959 --> 02:29:01,639 So is veganism a moral obligation? Jay, No, it cannot justify 1991 02:29:01,879 --> 02:29:07,479 its ethical assumptions in any in any sense at all, So therefore its argumentation 1992 02:29:07,719 --> 02:29:13,920 is entirely not convincing. There you go, I got Eric Partello sent a 1993 02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:16,799 super chat says, keep up a good fight, guys, Thanks a lot, 1994 02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:22,360 Really appreciate that. Into the further send five dollars super chat says, 1995 02:29:22,440 --> 02:29:26,959 vegan n nt What about the opposite NTT that makes wild animals okay to eat 1996 02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:31,600 meat but not humans? Exactly exactly. You turned it right around on them. 1997 02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:35,159 Name the trade, name the trait vegans. Why can wild animals eat 1998 02:29:35,239 --> 02:29:41,879 animals but humans can't? All right? Guess that's it. Thanks a lot 1999 02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:45,760 for joining everybody. You can find more primallege health dot com. Make sure 2000 02:29:45,799 --> 02:29:48,639 to check out Jay's channel. Where can they find your work? Jay? 2001 02:29:48,559 --> 02:29:52,680 What can they expect from you moving forward? Yeah? You just go to 2002 02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:56,200 Jay's Analysis and that's my website. You can go to my YouTube channel Jay 2003 02:29:56,239 --> 02:30:01,879 Dyer and uh with This week we cover and some really interesting stuff relating to 2004 02:30:03,559 --> 02:30:09,360 ancient cults and heresies that have popped back up. We covered an interview last 2005 02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:16,600 night with Nina Byzantina about psychopaths. And then I did a video yesterday on 2006 02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:20,840 the movie Gretel and Hansel, which is kind of a weird, trippy witchcraft 2007 02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:26,879 telling of the Gretel and Hansel's story. It's a new movie. That's cool, 2008 02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:30,680 cool, all right. So I'm sure Jay will come back on at 2009 02:30:30,719 --> 02:30:33,239 some point to do another stream. We had talked about talking about. Let's 2010 02:30:33,239 --> 02:30:37,479 see, we had the book The Changing Images of Man and oh yeah, 2011 02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,760 yeah, with some stuff too. I think that, I mean, this 2012 02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:45,399 is such an important document as far as social engineering goes. I mean, 2013 02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:48,879 what we see with all this whole Vegan movement as well, and the pushing 2014 02:30:48,959 --> 02:30:54,440 of New Age philosophy, the use of universities and media for the programming of 2015 02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:58,120 the masses into this new vision of what man is, a man's place in 2016 02:30:58,159 --> 02:31:01,639 the universe, because just like we're talking about here, man being made in 2017 02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:07,559 the image and likeness of God completely refutes the Vegan argumentation if you use this 2018 02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:13,239 properly and if you actually if you actually understand this now they're trying to reshape 2019 02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:18,879 and reformat our relationship with ourselves, our vision of what we think we are, 2020 02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:22,520 where we come from, where we're going so the Changing Images of Man, 2021 02:31:22,680 --> 02:31:26,600 This book by the Stanford Research Institute, the Center for the Study of 2022 02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:33,479 Social Policy at SRI International. Joseph Campbell was involved in this very very interesting 2023 02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:35,520 one. We're going to talk about this soon. Maybe we'll do a multi 2024 02:31:35,559 --> 02:31:37,000 part series on this and tie this into some of what we see as far 2025 02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:43,000 as cultural zeitgeist and the social engineering ghosts. But you guys can find more 2026 02:31:43,159 --> 02:31:46,159 primemuch healthy dot com. Become a member of the website if you guys want 2027 02:31:46,159 --> 02:31:48,639 to get exclusive content. We've got some fun I did a couple of funny 2028 02:31:50,879 --> 02:31:54,440 what's it called the debates with vegans on Instagram. You could find those videos 2029 02:31:54,479 --> 02:31:58,520 in our membership section in our private forum. We do twice monthly coaching calls 2030 02:31:58,559 --> 02:32:01,280 on there as well. Then you get discounts on everything that we got on 2031 02:32:01,319 --> 02:32:05,319 our website. 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Make sure to check out Jay's analysis 2041 02:32:39,719 --> 02:32:43,520 and yeah, I'm out of here, guys. Awesome, dude, thank 2042 02:32:43,559 --> 02:32:43,680 you. Yeah, all right, we do