1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,119 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No. 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:15,320 Here is your host, t J. Lees. Oh, it's a 3 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:21,839 Big Time Championship Weekend. Top Rank ESPN Undisputed Language Showdown, Devon Haney, 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,600 the Silly Lomachenko. We're here all about that. We're here all about Katie 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:33,240 Taylor and Chantell Cameron in an undisputed women's world title fight in Ireland. You'll 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,240 hear from Katie Taylor in a little bit. Lots of fight previews, lots 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,520 of fight news. Welcome in. Good to have you back here on the 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,520 big fight. We can't preview. I'm the somewhat competent host. He is 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,840 our insider. Work in the text message like a maniac right now, about 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,039 seventy five different directions. I'm like, Raphael, when can we start the 11 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:54,359 podcast? Hold on, I'm texting with this guy. Stop bothering me. 12 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:57,039 I gotta find out about this. I gotta find out about this. I 13 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:00,520 gotta find out about that. Okay, we found a loop hole here. 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,439 We found a window where we can record the podcast. Because he's always about 15 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,000 the information. Hello, Dan raypheel Inside from Big Fight Weekend dot com. 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,519 Are you ready to go for Haney and Chenco, what everything Else's weekend? 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,560 I'm ready. It's a good weekend. And you know, the best thing. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,959 As I've said before, we got two big time shows, and thankfully 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 one is taking place here in Las Vegas in the United States. One is 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,599 taking place in Dublin, Ireland, which means if you're here in the United 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,159 States or anywhere actually in the world, if you get him on your whatever 22 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:29,719 screen and don't conflict what a concept nowhere is, it's just going to be 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,920 a long, marathon day. I will commence with probably an undercard early undercard 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:41,239 fights on the Taylor in Cameron card on Saturday afternoon. The main card is 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,159 at two o'clock Eastern time. We will move on to the top rank Hany 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Lomachenko. You know pre pre fight card, you know the preliminaries. I 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,120 think that's at six. We got some regular ESPN fights at eight. Ten 28 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:55,879 o'clock is the pay per view. It's gonna be a long with fun boxing 29 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:57,680 day. Yeah, you'll find a little time in the middle of those two 30 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,159 to maybe take a leak and get a little earlier dinner. But that's that's 31 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:05,079 the plant TMI on the bathroom thing. But you also might want to say 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,759 hello to your wife and your son on the weekend as well with all this 33 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:12,080 going on, And anyway, thank you for finding us. We got an 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,960 action pack shown again. You'll hear from Katie Taylor in a little bit, 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,199 Dan talk with her one on one midweek. This is arguably one of the 36 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:22,639 two or three biggest names in women's boxing. And this is I realize we 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,120 live in the United States, and I realize it's women's boxing for all, 38 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:29,680 you chauvinist, pigheaded Neanderthals. I get the fact that you might look down. 39 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,639 Dan loves my adjectives. I get that you might look down on women's 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,039 boxing. This is a massive deal in Ireland. We don't live there, 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,599 but this a big deal, Dan rayphel and you talk to her midweek. 42 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:44,199 I did. I'll say this, and it's with no disrespect any of their 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,759 fine, outstanding women's boxers that populated to sport these days. But I would 44 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:52,120 submit to you that Katie Taylor, she is the singular biggest name of women's 45 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,240 boxing period. Well, Russa's Shields would argue with you, Well, that's 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:00,000 fine. I mean, listen, Lars is a tremendous fighter, she's up. 47 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,159 She probably pound for pound number one, but pound for pound number one 48 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:07,039 doesn't mean you're the biggest start. And if you want to compare gate receipts 49 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:12,639 and viewerships and attendance figures and social media followings and all the metrics that might 50 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,800 indicate your popularity, it's no contest. Period. What you're saying is Claressa, 51 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,560 go sell some tickets and some pizza at the Little Caesar's Arena in Detroit 52 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,759 and you'll move up the gate receipt list with Dan and rightfully so, because 53 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,759 Katie Taylor could have easily sold forty or fifty thousand. I heard Eddie Hearn 54 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,560 talking about this just for a second. She could have sold forty or fifty 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:38,000 thousand tickets in the Croke Park. Do I have a correct stadium whatever that 56 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,120 stadium is. He said, we wanted it to be more intimate, and 57 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,599 we wanted to make more off the live gate, so we put it in 58 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,000 an arena instead. And that's your point about her pl that part of the 59 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,479 world. They had some security concerns and things along those lines. And just 60 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,919 let me backtrack for a quick sand. I'm not in any way, shape 61 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,879 or form am I knocking Flaressa Shields, just making the singular point of the 62 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:02,039 following that every single women's boxer in the planet would love to be at the 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,840 popularity level in terms of what they can sell and what they can attract in 64 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,360 terms of viewership and ticket sales and sponsorships and soup to nuts. What Katie 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,879 Taylor can do, there is nobody else right now that comes close in my 66 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,279 opinion, and I think they acts back that up the fact of Madison Square 67 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,879 Garden Showdown with Amanda Serrano and a great rematch coming with that. We'll see 68 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:25,279 what happened. You'll hear from Katie Taylor in a little bit. Again. 69 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,439 Thank you for finding us, whether you've found us off a social media link, 70 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,240 Dan substag. Dan's newsletter does a great job promoting. By the way 71 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:34,600 rate us in review us, A couple more of you have done that. 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,360 We need several more of you to do that. Keep helping us because it 73 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:42,360 helps us in the rankings for podcasting, in particular on Apple podcast. If 74 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,160 you will rate us and review us, tell us how much you like the 75 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,600 show. And again, I continue to get tremendous feedback that we are consistently 76 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,480 here Friday, going into the weekend, and then off the weekend by Monday 77 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,240 morning or Monday midday. You're hearing us with the fight Freaks Unite recap every 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,279 weekend. Right now. We've been consistent for over a year. Ray has 79 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,079 put up with me for over a year doing this and me with him. 80 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,800 So again, I think a lot of people enjoy that. So we're gonna 81 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,079 roll the sleeves up and get into it right now. All right, we 82 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,519 are on the cusps as we released the podcast. They're gonna have the weigh 83 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,879 ends later on Friday. We're on the cusp of Devin Haney Vasilly Lomachenko undisputed 84 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:23,319 one hundred and thirty five pound title fight. It is fight week in Vegas 85 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:27,240 yet again, where just a few weeks ago it was Jervonte Davis and Ryan 86 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,279 Garcia. And this one is of serious magnitude, a four belt undisputed title 87 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:33,680 fight between an unbeaten American and one of the guys that's been on those pound 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,639 for pound lists for about seven or eight years or more. All right, 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,160 Dan, how repped up are you? Here? We go? Well, 90 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,959 listen, it's a great fight. I mean, it is one of the 91 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,839 best fights you can probably make that was doable in the sport. Certainly the 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,920 lightweight division, as we've discussed many times, as a very popular hot weight 93 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:53,639 class. You know, I'm not sure if you do we include Ryan Garcia 94 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:57,600 and Tank Davis in the lightweight division. Obviously Tank has a second tier belt 95 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,720 in that division. Ryan has had his previous two fights in the one forty 96 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,920 division. Their match that was a huge success was one hundred and thirty six 97 00:06:04,959 --> 00:06:11,959 pounds, so they're basically lightweight. Certainly, I think Devin A. Gervante 98 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,839 Davis's next fight will probably be back in the lightweight division when he returns after 99 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,199 you know, a little breakup. So you include those two guys, and 100 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,720 then you got the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, and then you've got obviously 101 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,399 Lomachenko who was a former unified champion who was number one on the pound for 102 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,680 pound list pretty much universally for quite a long time, and several other quality 103 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,279 fighters in the division. It is a tremendous weight lass. But this is 104 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:38,680 the pinnacle. This is you know, putting what we were just talking about 105 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:44,639 with Katie Taylor and all that business, putting popularity and ticket sales and and 106 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,399 and those sort of elements do you want to just get down to, like 107 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,959 talent and skills and the fight. This is a great matchup. It's the 108 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:59,439 young, slick, outstanding pound for pound level elite talent in a Haney against 109 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,759 the guy with all that same stuff who was a bit older, more experienced 110 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:06,480 in Lomachenko. Well, I don't know what else you could want in a 111 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:10,240 boxing match. I mean people want to complain about the best, don't fight 112 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,839 the best. Well, guess what the best are fighting the best on Saturday. 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,920 There's no doubt about that. I mean, by any any way you 114 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,480 want to measure it, because he's got all the belts and and the skills. 115 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:24,839 You know, you got to consider Devin Haning number one and Lomachenko whatever 116 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:27,480 number you consider me certainly in the top I don't know what two or three. 117 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:30,160 And he's been at the top of the mountain for a long time, 118 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,480 set all kinds of records in terms of the quickness to get the titles, 119 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,079 and his amateur career and the Olympic gold medals, and you know, the 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,079 level of main events he has been in. He's fought all kinds of top 121 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,079 quality guys from basically the first day of his career. This is not a 122 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:46,480 fighter that had a professional apprenticeship. Really, his first fight was a professional 123 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:51,879 debut in a ten rounder against like a B level contender. So this is 124 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,120 about as good as it guess. And you know, I would just say 125 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,680 to people, if you're thinking you're gonna go watch this on pay per view, 126 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,879 I think you're gonna get some kind of crazy, wild action fight. 127 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,360 Kralos, Castillo, Gaddy Warred Barra, Morales, you know, Riddick bow 128 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:09,040 and a Vander Holyfield. That's This is not that kind of fight. This 129 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,720 could be a very fun, entertaining fight, but you got to have a 130 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:15,079 little more appreciation for the skills that these guys possessed. There. They can 131 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,480 fight and they can bang it out if necessary, but this is going to 132 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,639 be a bit more of a boxing match, and it's a high drama situation, 133 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,399 in particular for Lomachenko a chance to be four belt undisputed, which Haney 134 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,079 already is. Haney already won the four belts by beating George Cambosa's last summer 135 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,679 roughly ABO and then that he unified right because he had the WBC belt, 136 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,240 but he won the other three and then he validated it by beating Cambosis again. 137 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,720 But I think it's fair to say right now, just with what you 138 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:46,480 just said in the build up, this is the biggest moment for Devin Haney. 139 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:48,720 This is even bigger than the four belt fight with Cambosas because of the 140 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,639 guy that he's fighting. This is no disrespect. We've said no disrespect like 141 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 six times already in the podcast, no disrespect to Cambosa's for winning three of 142 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,200 those belts against Tafimo Lopez. But Cambosa's was not and is not Lomachenko in 143 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,519 terms of accomplishments. This is a bigger deal to me. If Haney can 144 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,039 beat Lomachenko still in his prime. Maybe you say towards the end of his 145 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,879 prime. What do you say to that about significance for Devin Haney. I 146 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,960 mean, I don't know if you can overestimate the significance this is. This 147 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:20,919 is the type of victory if he can achieve it, that you check off 148 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,000 the box of like I beat a Hall of fame type of guy. I 149 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,879 would say to you that Lomachenko was no longer in his prime, but he's 150 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,120 still really good. And look, here's the thing about Lomachenko. He was 151 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:35,600 the champion, he had the belts, he was ranked number one. People 152 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,440 had him on the pound for pound way high up there. He lost against 153 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,759 Tiefimo Lopez and lost those belts. That was considered a big upset. He 154 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:46,720 looked terrible in the fight. He's still almost won because of a late comeback 155 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:52,039 in that fight. Again, I'm not big on excuses, but the reality, 156 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,159 just from the factual point of view, is he exited that fight and 157 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,159 went at shoulder surgery. His shoulder was problematic. He had a serious injury 158 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:03,080 that required surgery. So I'm not taking anything away from what Tithimo Lopez did. 159 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,759 He got the victory and accounts since that loss that William Machenko has suffered. 160 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:11,960 He came back. He looked tremendous in battering and defeating and knocking out 161 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,840 a much taller, bigger guy in Nakatani. He also did a number on 162 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,240 Richard Comey beat him up. You know, was asking the referee to stop 163 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,240 the fighting. He was had been interesting, such a beating had knocked him 164 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,120 down. And then the next fight, which was his most recent fight, 165 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:31,600 he had the ten months off. Remember, people got to remember this. 166 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,600 He was supposed to be the guy to go to Australia to fight Cambosis for 167 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,440 the three belts. He decided to not go through with that fight because he 168 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,159 decided to stay home at Ukraine. In Ukraine where the war with Russia had 169 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:43,399 started, and there was a lot of things going on and he just was 170 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,399 not prepared. So Devin Hainey, you know, took to the opportunity to 171 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,759 find himself in that fight and then they were able to unifyd Ve Gantless spute 172 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,360 it. If you go back even further than that, when Lomachenko was the 173 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,159 three bell champion, he had defeat he had two titles. He had defeated 174 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,399 Luke Campbell for the vacant WBC belt, which gave him three belts. At 175 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,399 that time, Devin Haney was the interim title holder. That was a mandatory 176 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,480 that was about to be called by the WBC, and loma Chenko, at 177 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,519 his request or his team's request accepted, and we don't have to get into 178 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,080 a debate about it, took the WBC's franchise title that vacated the regular the 179 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,919 full title. Hainey was elevated. That was because he wanted to take the 180 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,320 fight, and I understand this. I don't I'm not even knocking it. 181 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:31,639 There was a was a much bigger fight financially and in terms of attention and 182 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,879 media and ease of which to make because they were both with top rank. 183 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:37,559 He took the t Femo fight. That was a huge deal when that was 184 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,840 made, So Haney didn't get the shot at Loma Chenko. Now we've come 185 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:45,399 full circle. It's now Haney who's the undisputed champ, who has all the 186 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 belts, and now it's Loma Chenko knocking on the door as the mandatory to 187 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,279 get this opportunity. And you know, it's a story that's been written over 188 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,840 the last you know, a couple of years, and they're finally gonna gonna 189 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:58,679 get down the business on Saturday, and it's I mean, it's like to 190 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,720 me, it's I can't miss kind of fight. You have to. I 191 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,879 don't know, if you're a boxing fan, what's the objection. I mean, 192 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 you know, even if you don't love it on pay per view, 193 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,600 it's still it's still a twenty dollars cheaper than most of the paper or you 194 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,600 know, fifteen dollars cheaper than a lot of the pay per views. It's 195 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,840 not seventy five bucks. It's it's sixty bucks. Now, I'm not I'm 196 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,360 not chilling for it. I'm just making it, giving you the facts. 197 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,919 So yeah, it's a it's a it's a great matchup. You know, 198 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Lomas a future Hall of Famer without a question, and you know, Haney 199 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,240 with a victory, you know, can certainly start putting together a few more 200 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,320 notches on that resume as he you know, and he's only twenty four years 201 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,519 olds, like they maybe has potentially a long time left in this sport. 202 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,679 And because even at twenty four, with a lot of years theoretically ahead of 203 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:45,519 him, he there's nothing about his past. It tells you he's going to 204 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,039 be a short term guy because he's got good defense. He doesn't really get 205 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,879 hit a lot. You know, he's got that very good defense and uh 206 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,919 not an issue. I do suspect that, you know, whatever happens, 207 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,159 I know he says he may stick around a late Wait, I think he's 208 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:58,799 gonna move up. I mean, I've made this point, TJ. When 209 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,879 eyes have won the four belts, in this era of four bell champions, 210 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,080 there have been a few guys that have defended it once. Usk defended it 211 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:11,080 once for example, when he fought Tony Bellu after he became undisputed. You 212 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,200 know it has happened, but I think that this is the first time that 213 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,360 there's been a four bell champion, at least in men's boxing. Women's boxing. 214 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,279 Obviously, you know it's happened many times. Katie Taylor as an example 215 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,960 that a guy is going to go and try to make two defenses, which 216 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,759 this would be Devin's second defense. He defended the undisputed in the rematch against 217 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,600 Cambosis, this would be the second one. But if you take a look 218 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,399 at other guys that were four belt champions, Bernard Hopkins stayed at middleweight that 219 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,279 got stripped so never defended all four. Terrence Crawford won all four in the 220 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,159 junior welterwight division. He immediately vacated and went up to the welterweight division. 221 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,360 You know I mentioned about Alexander Us. He made the one defense against Tony 222 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,480 Bellue, then he vacated and went up, you know, to the heavyweight 223 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,480 division. Josh Taylor, he became the undisputed champion in one hundred and forty 224 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,840 poundweight class. He made one defense, the controversial win over Catall, and 225 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:03,120 then all the bet started to be script or he vacated, so and that 226 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,159 those are just off the top of my head. I mean there's other guys. 227 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,919 Charlow has yet to defend against anybody since getting all four belts with castaniol 228 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,240 in the win at one fifty four, And am I correct the monster Naolia 229 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,480 in a way defended once, right? Or has he even defended once before 230 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,120 he vacated? He didn't even know he The Butler fight was the undisputed fight, 231 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,679 right, and then in the Butler fight he won the WBO belt to 232 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,799 add to the other three, and again within a few weeks after that fight 233 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,480 he vacated, and he's now he's gonna go up to one twenty two on 234 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,600 challenge for the unified belts with Stephen Fulton in July. So I'm only making 235 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,440 the point that what Devin is doing is already unusual to make a second defense 236 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,639 of a four belt championship. So the notion that he's going to stay at 237 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:45,919 lightweight after this fight if he should win Franklin, obviously he's not going to 238 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,399 stay if he loses would be a rather a surprise. So I expect him 239 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,399 to go to one hundred and forty pounds. This is going to be the 240 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,879 Swan song in my seems to me at lightweight, and if you if that 241 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,360 is the case, he'll have made several defenses of the of the least the 242 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,639 WBC title, and you know, he beat some okay guys. He beat 243 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Jojo Diaz, he beat Jorgelen rs. I mean, he's not fighting bums 244 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,639 or anything like that. And now you win the undisputed because you unify all 245 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:13,320 the belts against George Cambosis. And by the way, you go on the 246 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,480 other side of the world to do so to his hometown. You don't know 247 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:18,840 if your dad's going to be there in your corner. Turns out he was 248 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,120 able to be there, but that was a big issue. He went back 249 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,720 there several months later, honored the contract. You know, a lot of 250 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,440 guys might have tried to get out of that. Did it again in Australia, 251 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,320 and now he's got this big fight against Lomachenko, and it's just it's 252 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,879 a great matchup and I'm going to be very fascinated to see a couple things. 253 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:41,320 Number One, how does how does Lomachenko deal with the size disparity against 254 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,080 a guy that's similarly skilled. It's one thing when you're Lomachenko and you're beating 255 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,679 up on Nakatani, who's much bigger, who's not nearly in the same level 256 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,159 of skill, it's a whole different matter. When you're dealing with a Devin 257 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,559 Hainey, who's also going to be much taller and longer, but has a 258 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:03,120 much better skill set, is much quicker, is much more defensive minded. 259 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:04,679 You know, that's going to be very difficult. What I was going to 260 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:08,480 say to you about Lomachenko previously, though, was when I mentioned about the 261 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,440 two you know, pretty easy wins relatively speaking, he had post the Tifemo 262 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:18,960 loss in the surgery against Komey and Akatani. But the reason why he's perceived 263 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,279 as this big underdog and not big, I mean he's like three to one 264 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,720 or something like that underdog is because in his most recent fight that took place, 265 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,679 you know, several months ago, that was at the Madison Square Guard 266 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:32,639 Theater in New York, he fought the undefeated Jamine Ortiz, and he didn't 267 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,120 really look good. He won the fight, Okay, there's no dispute there, 268 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:37,120 but it was not a great performance at all. I mean, he 269 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,879 looked a little ragged. I don't know you want to attribute it to because 270 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:44,159 he just wasn't up mentally, because Ortiz was not a big name, and 271 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,080 you know, Lomachenko was, you know, basically been a guy that's fought 272 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,679 top guys pretty much, fighting and fight out. There was no title, 273 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,440 let's stay it's hard to get motivated. He was coming off the ten month 274 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,039 playoff. Obviously, he had been dealing with all the issues that had been 275 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:56,919 taking place in his home country of Ukraine. So you know, King, 276 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,559 you give him a pass for like a bad night, and though he's still 277 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:03,400 going handily. I'm only making the point that that's what's in most people's minds 278 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,920 most recently about Lomachenko, and they should not forget that he's still a superb 279 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,920 fighter. But I think they like the fact that Hany's younger Hainey, has 280 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,039 been more active. Haney is the champion. Haney has got a big future 281 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,559 in front of him and has the size advantage, Like there's a lot of 282 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,079 boxes he checks that are in his advantage in this fight. But I never 283 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,920 would count out an old war horse like Vessel Lomachenko to come up with another 284 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,400 big night with the type of skills and the type of resolved and fortitude that 285 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,640 this man has. The conversation will continue in a moment. 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For that one, 309 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,759 we'll make predictions on the bet Us Live Show one Eastern time, the 310 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,119 Live bet Us Boxing Show on all their platforms, YouTube, etc. Depending 311 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,640 on when you're hearing us today, find us on bet us and we'll make 312 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,279 a live betting prediction. In some more analysis of Haney and Lomachenko, let's 313 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,440 quickly go through the rest of the undercard that includes Oscar Valdez. It also 314 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:41,319 includes a world title fight earlier on the undercard in the super flyweight division. 315 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:42,960 All right, give me more, give me more on this top ranky ESPN 316 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,119 undercard in Las Vegas, please. Well, the interesting thing about this so 317 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,200 so people are aware, and I know I've had a lot of questions about 318 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,160 the timing of the whole thing. The pay per view card, the main 319 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,279 pay per view starts at ten o'clock Eastern, which is a little bit different 320 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:59,119 than a lot of normal pay per views, which typically are nine o'clock. 321 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,920 If you go back to the and Garcia Tank Davis one that was a little 322 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,920 bit different. Also, Showtime began that card at eight o'clock for the main 323 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,279 card. This one is a ten pm Star Time. But the main card 324 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:10,920 only consists of three bounts, so you're not gonna have to wait the extra 325 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,759 hour. The other fights that would theoretically have been on the pay per view 326 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:18,480 are going to be on regular ESPN in that two hour block leading up to 327 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,720 the beginning of the pay per view, and that part of the card includes 328 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,839 the title fight that you mentioned, which is Junto Nakatani from Japan taking on 329 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,599 Andrew Maloney. From Australia. They will fight it out for the vacant w 330 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:33,200 BO Junior bandom waight title. What is that is that was vacated by the 331 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:38,640 Japanese fighter Ioka because he is going to have a rematch, a rematch with 332 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,319 Joshua Franco. That was you know, he made it. It was more 333 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,880 a bigger deal for him to fight a rematch for a lot more money after 334 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,160 the draw he had with Franco than to take on Nakatani's Japanese countrymen for the 335 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,119 vacant belt. That would not have been nearly as big of a deal anyway, 336 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,880 in terms of that fight. Nakatani is a former title holder in the 337 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,599 flyweight division. Very good, exciting fighter and maloney. You know, we've 338 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,440 all seen him fight a bunch of times on these top ranked shows. Him 339 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,480 and his twin brother Jason have been around for a bit now. The interesting 340 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:15,160 thing about this fight makes it kind of a fascinating situation is we just had 341 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:19,440 last week, you had his brother won a world title, and so now 342 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:23,000 here we are. That was on the undercard of the Jennebec wipe out against 343 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,119 Steven Butler. He defeated the Filipino fighter Astralabio to win the vacant title in 344 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,680 the bandom weight division, one of the four belts that were vacated when in 345 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:36,440 a way decided to vacate and move up and wait. So the opportunity here 346 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:41,519 is on Saturday for Jason Maloney has handled part one of the Maloney Brothers trek 347 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:45,920 towards world titles. And if Andrew Maloney can win this fight against Nagatani and 348 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,720 Andrews, you know, I don't know what the odds are. Frankly, 349 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,440 I haven't really looked at him, but I would make him a slight underdog 350 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,440 in the fight. But if Maloney can win this fight, it makes Jason 351 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,960 and Andrew simultaneously world champions at the same time. And they're twins, and 352 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,839 I mean we've seen it I think only one time ever before that was a 353 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,720 few years ago when the Charlotte brothers both had titles at the same time. 354 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,880 I guess they both have titles presently also back when they did it at the 355 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,400 first time, they were both champions together in the same weight class. The 356 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Maloney's will be separated by the one way class the way that the Charlottes are 357 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,839 presently, but it's still it's brothers winning titles was unusual. Twin brothers is 358 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,039 even more unusual. I agree. It's a great story and it's it's very 359 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,960 achievable. It's very achievable. Nakatani, by the way, is a minus 360 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,880 four fifty or four and a half to one favorite, Maloney three to one 361 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920 underdog for what it's worth on the bet US show. Since you were asked 362 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:40,799 a little thing, but that's the wigh in on that officially on the bet 363 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,759 US Live shows, stay tuned for more on what we like for that for 364 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:47,640 handicapping. But so Nakatani Maloneys, that's a nice fight that they're two worthy 365 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,440 guys. U Nakatani was in exciting fights in the fiveweight division. Maloneia has 366 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,200 obviously been around for a while. He's fought a lot of good opponents. 367 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,200 But that's not that would I mean, if they had done this as a 368 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,720 standard paper view starting at nine pm Eastern, you can pretty much bank on 369 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:02,960 that would have been on the pay per view. But that's going to be 370 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,240 the main fight on the ESPN part of the non pay per view. But 371 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,319 it's still a good matchup to watch. He mentioned about the rest of the 372 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,440 pay per view. Oscar Valdez is in the co feature Oscar Valdez, as 373 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,680 everybody knows, if he wins the fight. He's fighting for the WBO Junior 374 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:19,480 lightweight title in August against Ananuel Navery with you know, his Mexican countryman. 375 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,640 Fantastic matchup, can't miss action kind of fight. But he's got to beat 376 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,200 Lopez. He's the favorite, I'm sure, no doubt about it. But 377 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,160 he did have a fight with Adam Lopez in twenty nineteen. Remember that was 378 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:36,440 the crazy fight where Lopez was supposed to be on the undercard and in the 379 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,599 other fight on the card, you had Oscar Valdez supposed to fight Andres Gaudier. 380 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:41,160 Is what the problem was. Gaudier showed up at the weigh in not 381 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,880 one pound over TJ. It's like your GINSU knife commercial. He wasn't two 382 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,880 pounds much would you pay now? Not two pounds, not four pounds. 383 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,440 He wasn't five pounds over. He wasn't eight pounds over. He wasn't even 384 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:57,440 nine or ten pounds over TJ. He was eleven pounds over. Out of 385 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,680 that, he got kicked off the show. He got kicked out of the 386 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:04,039 hotel. Bob Aaron, you know, dropped about fifty f bombs and off 387 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:07,960 he went. But you know, to Lopez's credit and to Valdez's credit, 388 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,039 they agreed to fight each other on one day notice. You know, he 389 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:12,839 was already on the card, Lopez. Anyway, it was a good, 390 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,359 solid fight. It was highly competitive. Lopez dropped Oscar Valdez. Oscar came 391 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,440 back and stopped him in the seventh round. As the story goes, Oscar 392 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,279 said, I'll give you a rematch sometime. Obviously it didn't happen for a 393 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,839 while. He went and had other fish to fry, so to speak. 394 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:32,720 But he's coming off of the loss last April thirteen months ago where he got 395 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,200 you know, you know, dominated and dropped by Chicor Stevenson in their one 396 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,559 thirty pound unification fight. He was supposed to come back and have the fight 397 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:45,960 with Navarette for the vacant title. He suffered a back and a rib injury 398 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,519 with the slip when he hurt himself, and so he then went into ringside 399 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,640 and watched Navarett win the title in that great fight a few months ago. 400 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,759 And now Navarette's the champ in the w BO, and Valdez can put himself 401 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,519 into the match later this summer if he wins against Lopez in the co feature, 402 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,640 But on its own, Lopez Valdez in a rematch is probably going to 403 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,359 be another, you know, action kind of fight. Wins Oscar Valdez not 404 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,079 in that kind of fight, especially when he's fighting a guy like Lopez who 405 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,799 doesn't know any other way but to come out and start throwing a lot of 406 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:18,240 punches. So that fight is not meaningful unto itself in terms of a title 407 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,079 in that co feature, but it is meaningful because a it should be a 408 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,640 good fight and b because if Valdez is the winner, he's going to get 409 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,359 the title shot, probably this August against Navarette, which is a great fight. 410 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,079 And so that's the co feature of that and then the other fight on 411 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,920 the paper view that's the third fight that opens the main card, is another 412 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:40,359 fascinating fight. Raymond Murataia is an undefeated Robert Garcia trained lightweight out of you 413 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,039 know, California. I believe his record is like seventeen and oh and he's 414 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,960 been you know, We've talked many times TJ about the depth of prospects that 415 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:51,119 Top Rank has on its stable. They have a lot of tremendous prospects. 416 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,720 Muratai is a guy that's kind of like been overlooked a little bit, but 417 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:57,880 he might be the most one of the most advanced of the of the guys 418 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:03,319 who was ready to take that next step. But he has shown some inconsistencies 419 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,680 where he's winning, but if he's fighting a certain level guy, he sometimes 420 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,119 doesn't look so good or he gets a little bit lack of days ago, 421 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720 but there's other times where he just looks phenomenal. This is the chance now 422 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,319 for him to show that he's a serious, you know, no longer let's 423 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,720 say a prospect, but now can move into that like a young contender sort 424 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,799 of role. He's taken on Jeremiah Nakatia, who was battle tested. You 425 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,319 know, he's fought for the title. He's been in the ring with Shaker, 426 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,559 He's been in the ring with Jamal Herring, you know, retired Jamal 427 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,240 Herring. You know, it's a it's a it's a very interesting fight, 428 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,279 I mean, because you gotta figure Mortie is gonna win. But the only 429 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,920 loss is that that Nakatia has taken was a decision against Shakor Stevens and they 430 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,200 were fighting back when they were one hundred and thirty pounds for an interim title, 431 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,759 and then after that fight, you know, a couple of fights later. 432 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,799 It wasn't Harry my mistake. He went in there and he knocked out, 433 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:53,559 and basically I made a mistake when I said about herring. He knocked 434 00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,440 out and basically probably ended his career in some respects. Miguel Burchelt, who 435 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,440 was the former title holder, he just obliterated him. That was his most 436 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,839 recent fight. That took place in March of last year. So he's been 437 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:10,480 off for a little while, about fourteen months, but he's no joke. 438 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,640 And Murtia is still very untested. You come into the ring with a guy 439 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000 like a Nakata and you're not on your game, he's gonna probably beat you. 440 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,559 So I just side. I find that to be like a good It's 441 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,720 like to me, it's sort of the exact recipe of what you would call 442 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,319 a crossroads fight. Murtia the prospect trying to take the next step. He 443 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,200 got a Nakatia, you know, although coming off a big win, trying 444 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,720 to force the issue and say I'm here and I can be a contender. 445 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,599 At one hundred and thirty five pounds. All right, So that's the ESPN 446 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,359 Top ranked show. They're in full and again we'll make handicapping predictions on those 447 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,680 fights coming up on the bet Us show one Eastern time on Friday. Let's 448 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,160 move on to earlier in the day, the match Room Boxing to Zone show 449 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,480 again in Dublin. We're looking forward to seeing Undisputed against Undisputed. Now it's 450 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,759 Katie Tay. They're moving up to one hundred and forty pounds to fight Shantell 451 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Cameron. Again, we've already touched on this. You're gonna hear from Katie 452 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240 Taylor in a few moments. But this is a prominent fight. She is 453 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,079 a big deal, a former Olympic champion and she am am I correct. 454 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,839 I believe you probably asked her about that. She has not had a world 455 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,160 title fight in Ireland, so this is a big deal that it's a world 456 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,079 title fight for her in Ireland. She has fought in England, obviously, 457 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,440 she has fought in the United States when she fought Amanda Serrano. Right, 458 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,960 so give me a little more and then we're gonna hear from Katie Taylor, 459 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160 who's actually the challenger moving up in this fight. Daan Raphael Well a couple 460 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,079 of things. Not only she not had a world title match in her home 461 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,680 in Ireland, she's never had a professional fight in Ireland right right now. 462 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:45,599 Look, the reasons for that are kind of complicated, but the bottom line 463 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,240 is, and this was involving of the Irish mafia and some gangster business that 464 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,400 was going on. Someone would tell you that it was Daniel Kinhan his people 465 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,400 were involved in the bottom line was there was a boxing card that was taking 466 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,839 place in Ireland. There is a gang related or a Moberly shooting at the 467 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000 way in and at that point basically they shut down professional boxing in Ireland. 468 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:10,160 That was around the time where she you know, she wasn't u she was 469 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,519 not in the in the level of professional experience that she is now. You 470 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,279 know, back then she was just on the on the verge of getting to 471 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,000 the level where she might be, you know, fighting at home and those 472 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,079 types of I turned pro in two thou sixteen. So there hasn't been big 473 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,880 time boxing and any kind in Ireland for several years. There's been some smaller 474 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440 shows and that sort of stuff. And we're not talking about Northern Ireland, 475 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,559 where there's been plenty of boxing like Michael Collin fights and that sort of thing. 476 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,400 But they finally got all that stuff worked out, and so now the 477 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,519 time was right. She really wanted to go home. This is the homecoming. 478 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,319 They're doing the fight at the three Arena in Dublin. It has sold 479 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,359 out. Shantel Cameron is the undiscuted champion in the junior welterweight division. She 480 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,799 is the champion Katie in the lightweight division. And if you remember, this 481 00:29:52,880 --> 00:30:00,319 was supposed to be the rematch between Taylor defending the lightweight title in the match 482 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,359 against a man to Toronto. They had that fantastic fight that took place a 483 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,400 year ago. When Toronto dropped out or withdrew because of an injury, Katie 484 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,559 Taylor certainly wanted to still fight, and as you'll hear in the interview that 485 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,839 I did with her, I asked her about the way that she secured this 486 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,160 fight with Chantel Cameron. She did it in like the nicest way possible. 487 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,279 You know, when when boxers call each other out, there's a lot of 488 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,279 yapping and back and forth, and a lot of it sometimes gets personal and 489 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,640 gets nasty. But because Katie Taylor is like literally one of the nicest human 490 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400 beings you can ever meet boxing or otherwise. She's such a sweet and nice 491 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200 person. It's hard to believe that she's a fighter, but she is just 492 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,400 a class individual. And what she wanted this fight. She went on her 493 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,359 social media and she like very politely called out Chantel Cameron about to be an 494 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:42,680 honor to fight. So I forget how to say please. Did she say 495 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,640 please? Because even in my house we're working on manners. Did she say 496 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,039 please? Not like would you please fight me? So she did that with 497 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,319 Chantel, and she also did that with her own promoter, Eddie Hurnt, 498 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,160 to try to save the date and lo and behold and it should be this 499 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,799 easy and men's box also, and Katie and I discussed that a little bit 500 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,559 to tease the interview a little bit more, but literally, like within a 501 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,680 few days, it felt like they made the match and they saved the day. 502 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,480 And now instead of taking on Serrano, the undisputed featherweight champion who was 503 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,599 going to come back to fight her for her lightweight title, Katie is going 504 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,359 up to junior welter where she won a title a few years ago. Singular 505 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,400 single belt of quickly vacated and went back down in wait to defend the title 506 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,759 in that division in any event, if you like women's boxing, when we've 507 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,680 seen some big matchups, whether it was Bomb Gardner and Nikael Lamayer, or 508 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,279 Savannah Marshall against Claressa Shields, or you know any number of fights we've seen 509 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:40,039 in the past. You know, Cecilia Brecusa against him, Jessica McCaskill. 510 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:41,799 Of course, I mean this is on that level, like these are the 511 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,079 best of the best fighting each other. I mean it did in boxing, 512 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,559 in women's side of the sport, happens on a regular basis. So you 513 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:49,799 know, Cameron's got nothing to lose. She knows, I mean, she 514 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,839 knows she's up against it. She's undefeated, but she's going to the lines. 515 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160 Then she's from England, She's going to Ireland putting her titles on the 516 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,839 line. No one's gonna do her any favors there. Katie's the house, 517 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,519 Katie's the promotion darling, she's the one that's the star, etc. Etc. 518 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,000 So you gotta you gotta camera in the credit. But she's also going 519 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:07,880 to make more money than she's probably, I bet you and I don't know 520 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,119 the person is exactly, but I'd be willing to bet you the amount of 521 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,440 money that Chantel Camera is going to make for this fight is going to be 522 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,839 more money than she's made. If you added up her entire post, I 523 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:22,759 would agree with you. I saw something. I saw something in the British 524 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,599 media where she may be getting over two million dollars for this fight. So 525 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,519 theological question is has she made two million dollars in prize money? I would 526 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,039 make that's doubtful. I bet you she hasn't made a million dollars in her 527 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,480 career, right, I mean, it's probably less than that. I don't 528 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,559 know if she's made five hundred thousand dollars in her career. And Katie Taylor 529 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,319 is that golden of a ticket right now, and this is that big of 530 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,960 a deal revenue wise for everybody to make the deal. But it's a listen, 531 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,920 it's a it's a good fight. I mean, here's the thing. 532 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,200 Yes, of course, Katie's the much bigger name. Katie's the one that's 533 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,160 the star. Katie is obviously the champ at one hundred and thirty five pounds, 534 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:59,039 But this is a real fight. Chantell's bigger, Chantell's heavier, Chantell's 535 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,799 Chantell just be Jessica McCaskill. By yes, she beat McCaskill, but she 536 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,920 also beat some other like reputable fighters she'd beat. You know, I'm again 537 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000 I'm not like an expert expert on women's boys. I certainly know a lot 538 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,480 more about the men, but I know the top gals. You know, 539 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,240 she beat Victoria bus Though, she beat Mary McGee, who was a good 540 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,799 fighter. She beat Melissa her name, and as I mean, she's beaten 541 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,920 the women that she's supposed to beat, and these are not like walkover kind 542 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,079 of fights. So you know, Katie obviously is gonna be the favorite to 543 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,279 win this matchup for many different reasons. But I would not count out Cameron 544 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:35,200 the same way I don't count out Lomachenko. It's a different situation obviously when 545 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000 he fights Heney. I'm just saying that whatever the odds are, it seems 546 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:43,000 to me that it should actually be closer than whatever those numbers say. And 547 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,599 this is actually just on the bit us line and again will make the predictions 548 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,160 on the Friday Show. Katie Taylor is only a minus one eighty, just 549 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,720 a little under two to one, and Cameron is plus one fifty one and 550 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,680 a half to one, a fifty fifty fight to your point. So that's 551 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,519 that's why we like this. All right, Are you ready to hear from 552 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:04,279 the champion, unisputed lightweight women's champ who's fighting in her home country. You're 553 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,640 ready. We ready. As I said to you the last time when we 554 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,639 played our interview with Regia's program in the last podcast, I already know what 555 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,840 she said because I'm the one that did the interview, so it's true. 556 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,800 For the rest of us, Are we ready? I'm ready? All right. 557 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,760 Now for the rest of us, we get to hear Dan with Katie 558 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,960 Taylor. I'm very pleased to be joined today on the podcast by somebody I've 559 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,480 been actually very interested to interview for a while for the show. It's none 560 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,159 other than the undisputed women's lightweight champion of the world, Katie Taylor. Katie, 561 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,559 you're looking to become the undisputed junior welterweight champion this coming Saturday, your 562 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:42,199 homecoming fight in three Arena in Dublin, live on the Zone. Thank you 563 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,679 very much for doing this. I appreciate it. No, No, to 564 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,760 be here is great to finding well, virtually at least virtual we have met 565 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400 before. I was at your fight in New York when you fought out Delphine 566 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,360 Pursuon a few years ago. I don't know, you remember there's a lot 567 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,960 of hoopla going on that week for any seasons, Anthony Joshua at any event, 568 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,960 Uh, you know, I want to start off by just asking about 569 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,880 the homecoming. A couple a few weeks ago, I had the opportunity to 570 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,880 interview Cannelo Alvarez before as he was getting ready for his homecoming fight in Guadalajara, 571 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,639 Mexico against John Ryder, your match room boxing stable mate. Then even 572 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,760 I asked him, you know, he hadn't fought at home in eleven years, 573 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,840 or more than eleven years, either in his hometown or in Mexico. 574 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,480 And I asked him about his feelings about that. He said, you know, 575 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,119 I'm gonna be more nervous. It's gonna be different. I'm gonna have 576 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,719 some more butterflies than usual. And this is a guy who's been in, 577 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,760 you know, the biggest events in boxing. I just wonder, from your 578 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,760 perspective, you fought in big arenas and main events, and you know, 579 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,079 big, big time championship level fights. How do you think you're gonna feel 580 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,360 When I heard Cannello talk about butterflies. What's your feeling do you think going 581 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,159 into that arena for the first time as a professional in your home country. 582 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,280 Yeah, I definitely think there's going to be a few butterflies, that's for 583 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,119 sure, unless you're if it's got any more than usual pose and right now, 584 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,159 Peo Pico about it. And I've been in these big fight situations before. 585 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,840 I think that's gonna that experience. It's gonna holding well. I was 586 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,280 on Saturday Night as well, But right now I'm just absolutely excited to be 587 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,440 here. A few years ago, I didn't think this home kome was was 588 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,320 ever gonna happen really, and I have a chance to become a two way 589 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,079 on the Spieler champion in front of my home crowd. Um, the atmosphere, 590 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:27,039 I think it's gonna be absolutely electric. No, that there's gonna be 591 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,400 a few are like like there always is for a big fight situation. But 592 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,280 um, I just can't wait to step in there. Though. What do 593 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,679 you think, Katie took so long for this moment to be achieved, for 594 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,559 you to have a hometown, home country fight in front of your people. 595 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,519 Yeah, I'm not too sure obviously that those t details are obviously altam of 596 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,280 my control. But here we are six years into my pro career, and 597 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,000 then it's crazy to think that this this, this is my first fight as 598 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:59,079 a prom I just cannot waited the step in there. Really and this isn't 599 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,840 I think we could have picked any easier fight. But this is on the 600 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,239 Champions, on the Petit Champian. This is one of the biggest fights to 601 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,719 walk to find out. I believe even I think it has all the mantons 602 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,199 of another epic flight as well. So, yeah, you mentioned about like 603 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,559 it could have been an easier fight. I was going to ask you about 604 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:22,360 the fact that when Amanda Serranto withdrew from the rematch because of her injury, 605 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,320 and I know you wanted to still fight and uh and have some type of 606 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,679 event, But you know, I don't think anybody even if you fought, 607 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:30,920 even if you didn't take the Serando fight in the first place, you decided 608 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,159 to fight somebody else. No one in Ireland or anybody in boxing was gonna 609 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,000 give Katie Taylor, who's bought all the toughest women out there and been a 610 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:42,000 credit to the sport for so many years, was going to give you grief 611 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:45,920 if you went home and had a fight against you know, any opponent of 612 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,199 your choosing or you know, anybody you wanted to but you went for like 613 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,840 basically the once Amanda was out of the out of the date, he went 614 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,159 for the hardest fight. It seems to me anywhether you could have fought a 615 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,920 bigger woman, also undefeated woman, a younger woman, what was it that 616 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,039 made you go that direction for your toughest opponent instead of maybe a more of 617 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,639 a celebratory hometown like, you know, let's put on a party kind of 618 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:15,159 fight. Yeah, I think that minute we heard that tserandos Ai instantly tallish 619 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:20,199 Chantel Carma, she's young one that could really fill the gap there. I 620 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,039 just want to be involved with the big fights. I don't understand why. 621 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,000 I just don't. I wouldn't be motivated for any other fight, I don't 622 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,440 think. I just want to be involved. The biggest challenge is the biggest 623 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,119 tests, and I have a chance to become a two way on a bit 624 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,800 of change, and that's very very special. And over the last few months 625 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,199 I've just been completely motivated for this kind of fight, and I was going 626 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,719 to be a big, a big test and a big challenge, but this 627 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,760 could possibly be the biggest I'm my career so far. Today Paul goes well. 628 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,880 Well. One of the things Katie I found it very interesting about this 629 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,639 fight, besides just the fact that it should be a very good fight, 630 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,519 was how it was made, which was when when Amanda withdrew the injury, 631 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,920 you very politely, and you know, I don't know most boxers when they're 632 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880 calling out opponents are not usually polite, but you were so nice about it. 633 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,239 When you went on your social media, you'd like you said you wanted 634 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,639 to fight Chantell. You very nicely asked Eddie Hern, your promoter at match 635 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,840 Room, to keep the date alive, and all of a sudden, like 636 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,599 it felt like like I don't know, was it like a few days later, 637 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,039 like maybe a week later, whatever it was, Suddenly the fight was 638 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:29,320 made. And that's like, why can't everything in boxing be so easy in 639 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,679 that sense? Why do you think it is that in women's boxing, you 640 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,719 ladies all seem to fight the best that are available, not just yourself, 641 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,760 but plenty of other women I could detail who've gone in the ring and without 642 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,960 worrying about undefeated records and all kinds of different issues. You go in there 643 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,119 and you fight the best, and it's so hard in men's boxing I'll give 644 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,599 Harold Spence and Terrence Crawford as an example, but you women just get get 645 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,880 deals done very seemingly easily. Yeah, I don't know why it is. 646 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,800 I think obviously there's so many undisputity champions in Women's Boss as well. We 647 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480 are there you willing to take the big fights, to take the big risks, 648 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,440 and I think probably because we're not getting the big fights on a regular 649 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,400 occasion, so when the big fights there will be jump on the opportunity. 650 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,639 Um, these kind of fights have to happen for the sport to grow, 651 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,719 I think for Women's Boss and to grow as well. And I think these 652 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,760 kind of fights are absolutely vital for the growth of the sport. And um, 653 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,360 I think all lives are going to be honest and started even but as 654 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,320 well as as obviously Skura versus Devin Partner Denver, so those these kind of 655 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,000 fights are aboually great for the support board and um yeah, I think that's 656 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,719 probably we don't we don't get that that many opportunities as as female fires, 657 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,480 so when we get the opportunity, we have to jump a lap. All 658 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,039 right, So the last time you took a one fight for a up to 659 00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,119 the junior welterweight division and you want a world title, and then you quickly 660 00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:58,320 vacated that title and you return to the lightweight division to continue to defend your 661 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,239 undisputed championship at one hundred and thirty five pounds. So now, if you 662 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:05,960 win this fight on Saturday, you will not only have another title at one 663 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,760 hundred and forty, but you will be the undisputed champion at one hundred and 664 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,719 forty. You will also be simultaneously the undisputed champion in the lightweight division. 665 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,960 And I'm wondering, uh is your intention with a victory to stay at one 666 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,840 hundred and forty pounds and continue to defend that title. Would you want to 667 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,199 go back to one hundred and thirty five pounds and try to reschedule the Toronto 668 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,199 fight in that weight class? What is your thought about the weight class in 669 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,480 which you think you will be You have a lot of options. That's undisputed 670 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,880 in two weight divisions. Yeah, I think wherever the biggest flights are, 671 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400 we if the man surrounding we match is going to happen. I love Ze 672 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:44,159 will be ready to teach at back down to one thirty five. Well, 673 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,159 well, I guess to make that decision after so sciety even them, I 674 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,199 just want to be involved in biggest flights of whoever those flights that are. 675 00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,599 I'm very want this to take a back down to one three five or or 676 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,400 stay one for forty. So well, I guess we'll see what happens, 677 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,559 all right, So I just want to wrap it up with this. I 678 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,480 mean, you've you know, you're thirty six years old. You're you're even 679 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,440 older than you know Chantel by a few years. I guess you've done everything 680 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,360 of a boxer can do. You've won an Olympic medal, you perform in 681 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,079 two Olympics, You've been two division champion, undisputed a lightweight, chance to 682 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,679 be undisputed now in a second weight class. Uh. What else do you 683 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,079 think there is for Katie Taylor to do in the sport of boxing that you 684 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:24,559 haven't accomplished? And what would motivate you to continue to carry on? Um? 685 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,159 I mean, I just still absolutely absolutely love my sport, good honest, 686 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,159 and I'm still so passionate about the sport and I'm not tired. I'm 687 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,559 getting up in the morning and say that yet and I'm getting munch in the 688 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,719 phase. I absolutely love the training. I've done the whole process of getting 689 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,679 very very big fight, and I think one stacks obviously, then I have 690 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,559 to step away from the sport right now. I just absolutely love the sport. 691 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,960 I I love these events, and um, I just yeah, I 692 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:57,480 just I think this is the greatest sport in the world. So, um, 693 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:02,440 I absolutely absolutely love coating about so as as so passionate about it. 694 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,519 I'm going to be involved now that I want to be involved and these big, 695 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,039 big bang of fights. That's a great answer because as long as you're 696 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,119 loving the training, and I guess if you like getting hit occasionally in the 697 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,400 face, it's not the worst thing to carry on ess while you're still really 698 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,920 good at it and can make a lot of money and put a lot of 699 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,599 fans in the seats and on watching you on their screen. So that's a 700 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,400 pretty good way to go. Katie, thank you very much for doing this. 701 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,559 I really appreciate it. I wishing nothing but the best against Chantel Caraman 702 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,159 Saturday Night Live on his own. Yeah. Absolutely, thanks so much, 703 00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,559 Sam, you bet good luck to you, Katie Taylor. There she is 704 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,320 the undisputed women's lightweight chamber of the world. Maybe a too weight on the 705 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,920 undisputed champ after Saturday night, all right, and good on match Room and 706 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,559 everybody involved with the promotion to make her available with you nice job and the 707 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,880 one on one interview, and they have they have been smart with building this 708 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,519 up and publicizing this. I saw at the press conference as we release this 709 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,800 overnight Thursday and a Friday. They had the press conference earlier on Thursday, 710 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,599 and she actually said something to the effect of, yes, I am anxious 711 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,880 and I am eager, and I think she's even probably got to be a 712 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,079 little bit nervous now that here we are, that this is about to happen 713 00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,039 for Katie Taylor and Ireland. We'll see one of the things that we talked 714 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,320 about. And it struck me when I mentioned this to her. People who 715 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,440 listen to the interview, will hear this. A couple of weeks ago, 716 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,920 when I had done the interview with Kennello alba As prior to his fight with 717 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:30,079 John Ryder, Cannello and I spoke about him going home to fight in front 718 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,920 of the hometown and him even though he's been involved in these megafights in Vegas, 719 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,639 in all kinds of different places. He's fought in La in New York, 720 00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:38,039 in Texas. You know, he's fought in all the biggest arenas against 721 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,519 the best fighters. But he was talking about how he was gonna have it's 722 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,719 gonna be a little bit different for him going in front of all his people 723 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,039 at home, that he would feel that he would feel a little more nervous, 724 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,000 little more butterflies. And Katie, basically, if you listen to the 725 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,199 beginning of the interview, basically said the same thing that because of the fact 726 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,360 that she's never fought at home and this is a big deal for her, 727 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,199 that compared to the other huge fights he's had, whether it was Madison Square 728 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,199 Garden against Serrano or some of the big your shows he is headlined, or 729 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,719 even when she's fought on undercards but a guy like cards headlined by Anthony Joshua 730 00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,880 that were huge stadiums in that light and that sort of thing, that this 731 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,239 is going to be a special moment for her and she deserves it. She, 732 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480 like I said, she's been a credit to her sport. She comes 733 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,920 in shape, she trains hard, she's been fantastic from day one, it's 734 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,079 not her fault that the boxing was shut down in Ireland for that long, 735 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,320 and she didn't do anything wrong. And so I think that the amount of 736 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,199 love and the atmosphere you're gonna, even through the TV or your device, 737 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,039 will feel when you watch that is going to be pretty much off the charts. 738 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,159 Like I mean, I was in Las Vegas on the night that Valdez 739 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,960 and she, of course Stevenson fought. That was the same night that Katie 740 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,679 fought Serrano and the guard. So I was in Vegas, but we watched 741 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,760 the fight on my laptop in press area and myself and some of the other 742 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,760 reporters. But I've talked to other people that were there in the garden on 743 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,639 the night of that fight, and they'll tell you it was every bit as 744 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,159 good of an atmosphere as some of the big other fights they've been to, 745 00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,360 whether it's heavyweight fights or Feelix turned to Dad fights or Miguel Codo fights, 746 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,719 and that, like I have to electric, it was electric that night and 747 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,079 it's again to be one more time. What we said earlier in the show. 748 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,440 We are in the United States. This is a massive deal for Irish 749 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,760 sports fans because she won an Olympic gold medal. She is a famed fighter 750 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,519 there, She is a star in that country, and this is the first 751 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,800 time that she's fighting there, so it will I don't think it will be 752 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,920 any less electric when she comes to the ring and they and they put up 753 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,159 the music starts for the Irish National anthem and the whole bit. Look out 754 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,440 for what this is gonna be like on Saturday. And we'll see if Cameron 755 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:39,440 would stands all of that, because again, anything Katie Taylor does, they're 756 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,920 gonna roar, They're gonna go bonkers in that arena. So it should be 757 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,320 a lot of fun on Saturday afternoon. Anything else off of that card, 758 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,400 I know there's another women's world title fight. Speaking of Lady Cecilia, Cecilia 759 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,280 Breako, she's on the undercard with Terry Harbert. Right. Cecilia is a 760 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,880 future Hall of Famer. She was one of the great women's boxers of all 761 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,920 time. She held the young women's welterweight title for many, many years. 762 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:06,960 She made ten years, ten years. Say did I say twenty years? 763 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,239 You didn't say twenty, but yeah, Tan, you said many years, 764 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,880 ten years. She at the time that McCaskill beat had been the longest reigning 765 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:20,519 champion men or women in a single division by far, at she made more 766 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,159 than twenty defenses. Yeah, she of course suffered the upset back to back 767 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,320 losses to Jessica McCaskill. But she's decided she's not retiring. She's moving up 768 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,239 to one hundred and fifty four pounds to challenge Terry Harper for the WBA title 769 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,360 in that weight class. Terry Harper had won a title a few years ago 770 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,679 in the one hundred thirty pound weight class. She's moved up quite a bit. 771 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,800 But this is a good opportunity for Cecilia to become in the twilight of 772 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,039 her career, you know, a two division you know, champion against a 773 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,079 very reputable opponent, you know, and basically going on the road again. 774 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,360 I know Harper is not from Ireland, but she is from England, and 775 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,119 you know, it's it's not quite the same as you know, she's going 776 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,400 to be the not the fan favorite because of break House not being from there. 777 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,400 So it only made sense for there to be a big, huge women's 778 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,039 fight and then for Matchroom and everybody to figure out another quality women's matchup to 779 00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:14,039 put on the same show. And so I've always liked Cecilia Bracco. She's 780 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,159 a lovely woman, She's a hellible fighter. It'll be my honor to vote 781 00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,519 for her in the Hall of Fame someday, but you know she'll be in 782 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,119 there regardless. But if she can win this fight and grab another belt against 783 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,800 a quality opponent, that just another great notch that will go on her little 784 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,000 bio when she gets inducted. We'll keep rolling along here on the preview. 785 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,159 First, a quick word for our friends at PPV dot com. They're proud 786 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,119 sponsors of the Big Fight Weekend podcast and also on the website. PPV dot 787 00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:44,480 com is your only US streaming distributor of the Shantell Cameron Katie Taylor undisputed Women's 788 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,000 Junior Welterweight title fight this Saturday afternoon from Dublin, Ireland. 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If you're interested, go to PPV dot com. 797 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:29,320 Great fan experience, interactive with live video reactions, live chat, etc. 798 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,079 As part of PPV dot com, stream the whole card the Matchroom pay per 799 00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:39,840 view Saturday afternoon US time through PPV dot com. All right, Saturday afternoon 800 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,320 US time, Saturday night Primetime for those fights, those ladies title fights, 801 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,440 Cameron Taylor, the main event from Matchroom and Zone from Ireland. Some news 802 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:58,639 quickly than some nostalgia before we're done here on the preview pod Okay, Regis 803 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,519 program was supposed to fight all Australia is Liam Paro. We didn't even We 804 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:07,440 didn't even get two weeks into this and Liam Paro is out now as the 805 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,000 opponent. What do we know as we head into the weekend, because the 806 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:14,920 date is June seventeenth, there's still time to find another opponent. What do 807 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,800 we know right now for the WBC one hundred forty pound champ who just got 808 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,559 a three year deal. Speaking with match Room, we've been talking all about 809 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,880 this. You interviewed read Us about that three year deal last weekend, so 810 00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,000 I'm sorry, the three fight deal and I say three year, the three 811 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:34,159 fight deal. You just interviewed him about that this past weekend, and now 812 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,800 the first fight, they've got to find another opponent. So what do we 813 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,599 know? Well, just the match Room on Thursday announced that Paro had withdrawn 814 00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,079 due to an injury. They did not identify the injury. I've not yet 815 00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:51,960 really done too much. Is it a wiggle in the back, niggle? 816 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,000 Not a wiggle, not a jiggle, not a giggle, the niggle in 817 00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:57,639 the back. I don't know. We don't know what the injury is. 818 00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,360 But he's out. So the bottom line is Liam Paro is not going to 819 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,519 be in the ring against Regis Progress fighting for that title on June seventeen, 820 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:07,320 so they're in need of another opponent. Matcher made that announced that Regis made 821 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,199 a video that he posted on his Twitter account where he was basically like a 822 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,719 you know, a minute or so talking about, you know, disappointment of 823 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,519 him being out. But his perspective was I think that the next guy that 824 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,199 they're offering it to, or maybe that's next in line, whatever you want 825 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,559 to however you want to phrase it was Arnold Barboza, who was an undefeated 826 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,800 contender that fights under the top rank banner, who was managed by Rick Marridgian, 827 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,280 who was the same manager that manages Josie Ramires. And because of all 828 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,920 the stuff that went on between program and Ramiers in that fight not being made, 829 00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:42,440 Regis and Marridgean have had their back and forth on social media. I 830 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,440 feel like in a good natured way, but cutting both ways because you know 831 00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,920 both are you know, are good guys. I don't. I don't. 832 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,119 It was more like, you know, in it was serious, but it 833 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,840 was in jest. It wasn't like anybody was like being terrible to the other 834 00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,280 guy. But the point is, it'll be interesting what happens if Barbosa is 835 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,679 gonna gonna be formally offered to fight and take it. Before we started to 836 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,280 tape this, who knows what'll happen, you know, in the next day 837 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,519 or so. As this uh it's posted, But I texted that was one 838 00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:10,760 of the texts that you mentioned at the beginning of the show. I was 839 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,480 texting with Marijan about the situation, and he was like, we haven't gotten 840 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,000 a formal offer, but if we get one and it's you know, within 841 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,400 I forget how we phrase it, but basically, if it's within reason or 842 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,679 it's a decent offer or whatever, it was like, you know, we're 843 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,239 definitely interested. And you know, Barbosa has been waiting for a shot. 844 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,119 He's an undefeated fighter, he's got some good wins, he's not getting any 845 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:31,079 younger. You know, he needs to make the move. And so if 846 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:35,880 he gets the offer and it's not, you know, a joke of an 847 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,119 offer, and that's for them to decide what they feel like is a joke 848 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,840 and what is not a joke. The bottom line is re just needs an 849 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,960 opponent, and Barbosa is a quality opponent. In my estimation, it's a 850 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,840 better opponent than Leamparo if he were to fight Barbosa, and I'd like to 851 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,800 see that happen. I mean, all things consider it. I mean it's 852 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,400 a good division, but Barbosa deserves his opportunity. He hasn't had that level 853 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,119 of a fight just yet with top rank as long as he's been there. 854 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,719 So we'll see if they can make that. If it doesn't happen. I'm 855 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,599 not sure who the next guy that they're even talking about as far as names, 856 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,880 but you can you can be sure that come June seventeenth, as long 857 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,119 as Regis progress is healthy, he will defend his title. Whether it's it's 858 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,000 not going to be against leam Paro, maybe against be against Barbosa, maybe 859 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,519 it'll be against somebody else. But Regis is going to be back in the 860 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,239 ring mid June, and I'll be interested to see regardless of who he's fighting, 861 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,000 because I like watching Regis broke it. But if it is against Barbosa, 862 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,159 you know, sign me up. That's a good, solid fight. 863 00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,960 I'm interested. And hopefully they can find an opponent that can be prepared and 864 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,239 be healthy and be in the rank you know, next month. All right. 865 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,880 Other news, you were tweeting about this and writing about this as well, 866 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:45,480 and not unexpected in that the w BA has said we want Alexander Usk 867 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,159 to fight Daniel dubuon next You had told us on the podcast and had written 868 00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,639 for Big Fight Weekend and your substack previously. They were looking at trying to 869 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,639 make this fight and make it potentially for Poland as opposed to in the UK. 870 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,800 Duba's home country. That has not come about yet. And now the 871 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,800 WBA says, okay, folks, deadline here for a purse bid. That's 872 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,079 the latest. Give us some more on that, right. So the two 873 00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,440 sides certainly well can I imagine we'll continue to talk and try to hammer something 874 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,440 out. But they want to sort of the w B a set of fire 875 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,880 under them, basically give an end game, if you will, in terms 876 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,400 of win, this will all be over with. So in that respect, 877 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,599 it's good that there's a deadline because now you have a window to make a 878 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,920 deal and if they don't make a deal, will go to a purse bid, 879 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,800 and you know, may the richest promoter win. I guess. So 880 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,280 they've scheduled. There was the original deadline for them to make a deal was 881 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,880 May second. That came and went without them having an agreement. So they 882 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,719 now gave them a little bit of flexibility. And now here we are a 883 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,920 little while later and they have not ordered this purse bid. It will take 884 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,639 it a schedule for May twenty fifth in Houston, and so they still have 885 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,840 between now and then if they can make a deal to do the deal. 886 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,440 What I find to be interesting is we all know that Usk and Duba is 887 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,679 the mandatory, and I'm down for it because to me, I just want 888 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,280 to see the w b A get rid of the extraneous belt whoever is the 889 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,480 winner of the fight. But it feels like that's going to be happening regardless 890 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,599 of there is a fight or not, because if there is not a fight, 891 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,679 they have stated that if Dua is unavailable for any reason, then that's 892 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,440 it. He's going to lose his position. So not only would he lose 893 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,800 his position, he would lose that second year title and they would move on 894 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,840 and order the mandatory against the next guy in the WBA, which is Duwa 895 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,280 is the regular champion, so he doesn't have a numerical rating. The number 896 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,840 one numerically rated guy is Deontay Wilder. Wilder against Alexander Usik is a much 897 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,719 bigger fight, and the Wilder camp has said, yeah, of course we're 898 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,679 interested. They want if they would love to fight for the world title, 899 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,519 and Usik against Wilder from a financial perspective as a way way bigger fight than 900 00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:47,000 Duwa, So it would behoove us if he wants to fight, and Duwa, 901 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,960 if he really wants to fight, to make a deal because I can't 902 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,360 I can't imagine that a purse bit for that fight. Yeah, there'll be 903 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000 people be interested, but it's not going to be that big level of a 904 00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:00,280 money as there would be against a Wilder a type of it. But the 905 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,760 other thing also is, you know, there's also we've discussed it, there's 906 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:09,280 that sort of hanging over boxing, this this you know, this mysterious Saudi 907 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,760 Arabian business that's going on where they maybe want to do these two fights at 908 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,320 the end of the year on the same carb No less Usik versus Fury, 909 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,239 Wilder versus Joshua again, they're talking. I'll believe it when I see it. 910 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,719 But the bottom line is some of the rubbers going to hit the road 911 00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,280 May twenty fifth, that there's no deal between Usk and what. And I 912 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,599 say that because and this is important right now. Even though Joshua recently fought, 913 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,119 and Fury fought at the very end of last year, and Wilder fought 914 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:45,000 in October and Do Wah fought on that Fury undercard, these top heavyweights are 915 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,480 all stagnating right now. They're just waiting for this perceived pot of gold. 916 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:54,079 You're being kind that Wilder fought Wilder through one big punch is that fighting. 917 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,880 He won the fight. You know what I'm saying, though, you know 918 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,920 what I'm saying, and you're right. I mean, USK hasn't fought since 919 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,760 last August. Get in the ring. Get in the ring. I realize, 920 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,880 I realized the whole roundabout with Fury did result in an undisputed fight. 921 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,360 But now get in the ring. And I'm just curious, just one more 922 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,079 than we got to move on. I wonder if the management team for USK 923 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,719 will ramp up before the purse bid and make the best possible offer to have 924 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,320 the fight in Poland, because if Frank Warren outbids them, the fight's going 925 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,719 to be in the UK if it's happening in Dubois homes and so that's going 926 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,119 to be a very interesting dynamic in the next week. Becaues that happen next 927 00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:36,159 week? Does the bigger offer maybe come now for that thing to happen in 928 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,960 Poland before there's a purse bid. That's the only thing I would add to 929 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,519 that what you said, No, I mean that that all makes sense. 930 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,079 I'm just saying that I'm glad though that the first domino at some points going 931 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,880 to fall. What the result of that Domino falling. I'm not I'm not 932 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,599 sure because there's lots of things that may take place, but the heavyweight division 933 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:59,199 because of the perception that there's this pot of gold in the Saudi Arabia market 934 00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,199 for these types of fights at the end of the year in December, which 935 00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:06,079 would mean all these guys will be offered quite a while, right I'm you 936 00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:07,719 know, the whole division is at a standstill right now. Look, Look, 937 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:13,360 Fury was on social media earlier Thursday calling out everybody but Dan Raphael. 938 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,360 Can I fight somebody? He would just kept going on and on about I 939 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,920 tried to fight usik I tried to fight Jang, I tried Andy Ruiz wants 940 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,480 twenty million? What does he want? You know, going on and on. 941 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,760 So usik U has moved. Should have given he should have given us 942 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,800 his percentage on the yes, but he wants to try to fight. I'm 943 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,119 with you, Fury wants to try to fight this summer. Who knows if 944 00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,679 that happens. I'm with You're not gonna fight at all, all right, 945 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,199 almost almost no chance of that happening. He is stagnant, and I like 946 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,320 your word stagnant. Before we get stagnant, we got to talk a little 947 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:52,599 nostalgia in a couple of moments. Any other news of note here. Alberto 948 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:58,880 poo suspension, not surprisingly, has been at least temporarily upheld by the Nevada 949 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:04,719 Commission for testing positive again for the female fertility drug Holme. It is the 950 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,559 is the brand name of it. They want to hear more and they want 951 00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:13,559 more evidence about this. So this is about a month from now. Right, 952 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,079 he's temporarily still suspended, right, I mean, this is the this 953 00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:22,199 is the normal course of business when this happens. Guy test positive. Commission. 954 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,039 When they get the result from the you know, either Vada or whoever 955 00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,800 does the testing, they put the suspension out. Obviously that happened. He 956 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,280 was dropped from the Roly Romero fight. That's why Barroso was elevated from the 957 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,559 undercard who was already Plaos mandatory challenger, so he was on the sidelines. 958 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,199 WBA put him in as the recess champion and now they're waiting to see what 959 00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:44,760 the Commission does. Next step in that process is you put him on the 960 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,199 agenda. That Nevada Commission had a meeting this past Wednesday, you know, 961 00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:52,480 yesterday as we tape this and at that meeting, they did what they totally 962 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,239 expected. The Commission voted five to nothing to extend the suspension, meaning now 963 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,880 we're going to go through the actual adjudication process. So the next meeting, 964 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,639 which is going to be in June, no date one hundred percent yet, 965 01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:07,239 but I'm told it'll probably be June twentieth. At that hearing, or rather, 966 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,360 i'm sorry, at that meeting he will have. That'll be when he 967 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,519 can bring his defense with his lawyer and his people and whatever. They could 968 01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,679 ask for a continuance and it could be pushed back into July or longer, 969 01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:21,599 but the Commission is not going to look to postponent. That'll be up to 970 01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:24,000 the Playo team. But they will go before the Commission. They'll make their 971 01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:28,239 case. They'll say, if there's mitigating circumstances, what the reasons are, 972 01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,960 blah blah blah. But I've covered the Commission for a long time. This 973 01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:34,920 to me, whatever his reasons are, they claim it's because they were fertility 974 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,920 issues with his with him and his wife and they were trying to have it. 975 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,079 Maybe, but it's very clear cut. They don't even deny. I've 976 01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,639 talked to people on the PLAYO team. They don't deny that he took the 977 01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:50,559 substance. The way they operate in Nevada is on the basis of strict liability. 978 01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:52,519 Yep. It's not why it's in your system or how it got in 979 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,679 your system. It's that it's in your system, and that's your problem, 980 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,320 not ours. So while they may take mercy on him and that issue a 981 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:05,119 crazy long suspension or something along those lines, unless they can prove that they're 982 01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:07,559 again because they're not even denying that it's there. So I don't think they're 983 01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,760 going to reverse course on that. They're going to just have to make their 984 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,679 best case of to get the least punishment they can. Okay, So it's 985 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,119 my it would be my expectation that they'll try to explain all the things I 986 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:22,000 just said that they were taking in here's why, etc. But he didn't 987 01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:27,239 ask for an exemption, he didn't disclose it when he filled that as his 988 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,159 forms with VODA, and then he tested positive. I'm not aware if they've 989 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,440 had to be sample tests or not, but if he's admitting to using it, 990 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,880 it probably is not relevant and probably a waste of money because it's going 991 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,159 to be positive. Also, so the end result is going to be how 992 01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:43,639 much of a suspension will he get. Gotcha, It seems to me that 993 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,760 he's looking at even if the if they wanted to be the most merciful they 994 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,119 could be, he's probably looking at at least six months. And even if 995 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:54,159 that's the case, that alone was not the end of the world, because 996 01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,679 they'll backdated to when the test was taken, so it'll be backdated to like 997 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,599 sometime in what mid April, I guess, so six months certainly not at 998 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:02,920 the end of the world. But what it means is he's not he's going 999 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,800 to be stripped in terms of he's already been stripped of the title. WB 1000 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,480 will drop him from the recess championship level, and he will still be able 1001 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,760 to carry on his career. But for a guy like him that doesn't have 1002 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,320 a big name, not a big reputation, not a big fan base, 1003 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,039 not a super exciting style, now we sort of gotta he's you know, 1004 01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,880 he loses on big financial opportunities. When you have the helps you make more 1005 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,639 money, and he's not going to have the belt, so you know, 1006 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,320 you feel if he was using it for the right reasons, he also could 1007 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,760 have been still getting a benefit as well. Yeah, because it absolutely is 1008 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,559 a performance enhancing steroid. It's exactly what it is, and it is not 1009 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,480 something we keep talking about this. I keep him openly mentioning this on this 1010 01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:45,599 podcast that I've mentioned a little bit too much other places, but I'm just 1011 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,159 gonna share with you I took plumit as part of fertility, and that's what 1012 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,519 his claims going to be. But the point that you made and we're moving 1013 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:55,280 on now, is it doesn't matter to the Nevada Commission because this is a 1014 01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,800 PEED and so strict liabilities tolerance, whatever you want to call it, they 1015 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,920 are. They're going to drop the hammer to what extent we will find out. 1016 01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:09,159 One more piece of news and that is the WBO earlier this week saying 1017 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:15,599 to Jamel Charlow, the one hundred and fifty four pound undisputed Charlo get in 1018 01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:20,960 the ring with Tim Zoo provided Tim Zoo defeats Carlos Ocampo, which we suspect 1019 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,679 he's taking another fight. Get in the ring with Zoo by September thirtieth, 1020 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,199 or we're going to elevate Zoo if he's victorious to being the world champion in 1021 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:31,679 the WBO. And I say bravo to this I said to you when the 1022 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,679 Zoo fight was made back about ten days ago. It's incumbent right now on 1023 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,000 Jemel Charlo to tell us as boxing observers and fans, what is your injury 1024 01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,920 status and when are you fighting? And I just say good on the WBO 1025 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,039 anything else, I can't are you that? I mean, you know, 1026 01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:47,719 listen you I never like to see a guy lose a belt because of injury 1027 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,079 or reasons that are not other than losing a boxing match. But at some 1028 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,159 point, you know you don't have a right to hold the title forever. 1029 01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,239 So an injury I feel bad for about that, obviously, but we thought 1030 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,000 it'd be back in June. I understand a hand injury. I don't. 1031 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,519 Again, I don't know all the details of the specifics of the nature of 1032 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:10,360 that injury. Hopefully he's got the whole summer, you know, to get 1033 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,880 ready, to be healthy, to go through a training camp and to look 1034 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,880 at the winner for by September thirtieth. So, and it's not just Zoo, 1035 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,880 because if Carlos Ocampo pulls the big upset and beat Zoo, he would 1036 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,400 become the interim champion and therefore would probably be the guy that has to next 1037 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,800 fight against him in the mandatory because they're the ones organization wise that's next up 1038 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,760 in the rotation system. So whether it's Zoo or it's Ocampo, unless Charlo 1039 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,960 vacates or decides to leave the weight class, his next opponent is going to 1040 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:40,920 be either Tim Zoo or Carlos Ocampo. Obviously, the Zoo is a bigger 1041 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,880 deal. That's a that's a good fight. It was supposed to be a 1042 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,639 Showtime main event in January. Hopefully Charlo is healthy. If Zoo wins, 1043 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,119 you know, hopefully we'll see that fight sometime, you know, in the 1044 01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,239 early fall. That that would be a good matchup. Then I hope Charlo's 1045 01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:55,920 okay and he's healthy and ready to go. Let's hope. So as we 1046 01:04:56,039 --> 01:05:00,719 release this podcast, let me say happy birthday, Dan Rayphael to Thomas Reeves 1047 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,079 Senior, who is seventy seven years old on May the eighteenth. He and 1048 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:10,119 you're gonna smile. He and Reggie Jackson Ship Reginald Martinez Jackson of your New 1049 01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:14,039 York Yankees of the Baseball Hall of Fame share the exact same birthday, both 1050 01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,440 seventy seven years old May eighteenth, nineteen forty six. May eighteenth, also 1051 01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:25,400 significant because brother Raphael has talked repeatedly on these podcasts and with nostalgia about the 1052 01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:30,039 Gattie Ward trilogy. It began on May eighteenth of two thousand and two. 1053 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:34,480 Say a little more here, because you've been putting the memorabilia out through your 1054 01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:40,199 substack through social media. It all began on a May eighteenth, back twenty 1055 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,519 years ago. It's a remarkable fight. What can you say? It's one 1056 01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,320 of the greatest fights of all time. I don't think it's the greatest fight 1057 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,119 of all time. Then I actually, you know, there are a few 1058 01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:53,079 fights in my ten year of writing bout boxing and I would actually rank ahead 1059 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:56,679 of it in terms of just overall trauma and excitement. But there's no doubt 1060 01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:00,599 that these guys put on just an absolute InCred show. They fought three times. 1061 01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,000 The first fight was a phenomenal fight. The second fight, if he 1062 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:05,920 had never seen the first fight, was a really good fight. Maybe he 1063 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,679 didn't move up to this level of the first fight, but how could it 1064 01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:13,480 so? And as we have the talctors, typically at least one fight in 1065 01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:15,960 the trilogy that's the one that's the least memorable. That would be the second 1066 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,320 fight. But still a very good fight. And then of course the third 1067 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,800 fight was the fight of the year also in just another incredible fight, just 1068 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,719 an awesome matchup. I was very privileged to be ringside for the second and 1069 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,960 the third fight. I've told the story many times. I was supposed to 1070 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,880 be at the first fight. I was writing a boxing for USA Today at 1071 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,199 the time, like a day or two days before I was supposed to travel 1072 01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,079 to Connecticut, I got a real bad bug and had a fever and was 1073 01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:40,199 sick as a dog and couldn't couldn't do anything, and ended up having a 1074 01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:42,840 mist to fight. I watched a fight curled up on a ball on a 1075 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,599 bed in a guest room in my old townhouse with a you know, with 1076 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,519 a cold washcloth on my face and my head, and watched these two guys 1077 01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:51,719 deliver one of the greatest fights of all time and was to this day, 1078 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,199 twenty one years later, it's still depressed me that I was not present for 1079 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,960 that fight. And as you mentioned, I did post one of the treasure 1080 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:03,119 of my expansive boxing collection. I consider it to be perhaps the centerpiece of 1081 01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:10,360 my five thousand plus poster collection. It is an extraordinarily rare site poster from 1082 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,920 the first fight. They put up a handful around the casino property just to 1083 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,639 advertise a fight, not for sale, not in any kind of big print 1084 01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,679 run or anything like that. I have that poster. I actually have two 1085 01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:20,239 of them, believe it or not. But the one I put up the 1086 01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:25,239 picture of is actually signed by Mickey Ward and Artarogatti. That was gifted to 1087 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,519 a former executive at the Moleigan Sun that years later I purchased in a private 1088 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,840 transaction. And I will say this without telling you the amount of money that 1089 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,119 I spend on it. You know I have a gargantuan boxing collection. I 1090 01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:42,639 do. It is the most money I have ever spent on a singular in 1091 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,039 my entire life. Let's just put it this way. Could you have made 1092 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,119 a good down payment on an automobile or a home potentially, I don't know 1093 01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:53,440 about a home, but probably on a car. I like that fair enough, 1094 01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:56,280 and anyway, one more, by the way, one more, we 1095 01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,400 would agree haggler hearns in terms of action and angatude, that's maybe the greatest 1096 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,039 fight ever. Some would say thrilling Manila. You could you could go down 1097 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:10,119 Buster Douglas's upside of Mike Tyson Coralisio. That's fine. All of those all 1098 01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:15,000 of those are title fights. All of those are title fights. Is Gotti 1099 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:19,119 Ward the best of the non title fights. That's something to ponder well, 1100 01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:23,239 because if when you say title, you're talking about a world title or maybe 1101 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,039 a regional title. No, a world title, a world world title? 1102 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:29,920 Yes, is that is that one? Is that one? I mean, 1103 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,319 there becomes the mind better than Gaddi Ward one. I'm not going to say 1104 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:38,119 better then, but there are other fights that were non title fights that would 1105 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,960 maybe be in the conversation, let's say, and just again, I'm not 1106 01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:43,760 saying this is the one, but it's one that just springs to mind immediately. 1107 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,880 Take a look at Morale, Eric Morales against Manny Pachyo. There none 1108 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,399 of their Amazingly, they were two of the greatest fighters of their time. 1109 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,920 They both won world championships and the multitude of divisions. They both were involved 1110 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,640 in some of the biggest title fights of their day, and certainly in those 1111 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,560 smaller weight classes. But amazingly, Manny pack Yeo and Eric Rolls spot three 1112 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,479 times. First two fights were great, third fight was a complete blitz. 1113 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,079 First fight is special for all three of them. Were not title fights, 1114 01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,239 so they were for regional belts. But if you say not world title fights, 1115 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,920 you could put Morales versus pack yeo one in the conversation. But yes, 1116 01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,520 off the top of my head, in terms of a non title fight, 1117 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,600 I'm thinking of other fights that were fight of the Year caliber kind of 1118 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,760 fights. So one year we had and this was Mickey Ward and being involved 1119 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,279 in this also his incredible fight against Emmanuel Augustus that was a Friday Night Fights 1120 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,840 fight, maybe the best fight in the history of that ESPN two series. 1121 01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:38,960 But I don't think I would rate that ahead of Gaddy Ward. So yeah, 1122 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,039 I mean again, I bet if I spent some time really like going 1123 01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:45,800 through my old list of top fights of the year, Yes, most of 1124 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,640 them are title fights, but not all of them for sure, because I've 1125 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,760 never made it a matter of it has to be a title fight to count 1126 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,560 to be on that kind of list. But that's the one that you kind 1127 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,720 of in more modern time, Hagler, notwithstanding that, you measure like an 1128 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,520 action fight that was like the throwback to the you know, the old fifties 1129 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,119 fights you're watching on your black and white TV. You know, not that 1130 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:13,079 I was back then, but people that I you know that you hear talk 1131 01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,439 about that. So Bird Sugar would say things like that back when before he 1132 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,520 passed. So yeah, I mean, it's a truly special fight. It 1133 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,680 obviously was a super close fight. Mickey got the very you know, got 1134 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,520 the very close call in the first fight. And the funny thing about it 1135 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,000 is, TJ if you asked, like fifty boxing fans, hey, what 1136 01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:30,880 will happen what was the result of the first fight, I guarantee a lot 1137 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,159 of them would not know the winner. They would get it nixed up because 1138 01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,680 they wouldn't realize it. And that just goes to show you who gives a 1139 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,399 shit who won. What it did was because Mickey won. It helped pave 1140 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,119 the way for their b a rematch. Had there not a Mickey word victory 1141 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:45,840 in fight one, They're most likely would not have been a rematch, which 1142 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,239 then, of course, there would not have been a third fight. The 1143 01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:54,159 thing I find endearing about their their rivalry with each other is when they first 1144 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:57,800 fought in the first fight, this was a single fight on Boxing after Dark 1145 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,119 on HBO, not a lot of high hopes or and I shouldn't I hope 1146 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,479 people thought it would be a good fight but didn't have a lot of meaning, 1147 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,239 but it was just a good match. They were celebrating the anniversary of 1148 01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:10,279 the series and they wanted to make just sort of a throwback kind of fight, 1149 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,079 and they got that in there and much much more. And of course, 1150 01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:15,039 if you listened to the call and some of the comments that were made 1151 01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,199 during the course of that fight by Jim Lampley, by Emmanuel Steward, by 1152 01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:21,880 Larry Merchant, I mean it's among the most memorable. Who can forget Emmanuel 1153 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,079 Steward, you know, talking about you know, they said it would be 1154 01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:26,760 the fight of the ear. They didn't tell us to be fight of the 1155 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,119 century. I mean that might have been back but yeah, which one said 1156 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:32,359 it, but that was one of the lines. But the thing about it 1157 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,720 is they didn't really know each other going into the first fight, Mickey Ward 1158 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,479 and Artaragatti. Then you have that kind of fight with each other, obviously 1159 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,520 gained respect and there were always were good guys at all. And then the 1160 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,119 second fight takes place and they get to know each other a little bit better, 1161 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,439 and you know, they're talking shit about the fight, but it's all 1162 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,399 good natured. They're not really trash talkers and Mickey and Gaddy were never big 1163 01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:56,319 trash talkers anyway, always were respectful of their opponents. Now by the time 1164 01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:58,920 they get to the third fight, they become good friends, and by the 1165 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,920 time the rivalry is over, they're literally best friends to the extent that Mickey 1166 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,560 Ward now becomes Our Taro's trainer because he retired after the third fight. And 1167 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,479 what's remarkable is here, this is still blows my mind if you look at 1168 01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,399 Our Taro gott his career and he is in the Hall of Fame, a 1169 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,239 worthy member. And I know people they bitch and moan about that. I'll 1170 01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,880 have that. I'll die on that hill and I'll go down all the reasons 1171 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,479 why he certainly deserves it and belongs there. But before he fought Mickey Ward 1172 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,199 for the first time, which is considered like the most action pack fight of 1173 01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:30,039 his career, Our Tara had already had a whole bunch of great fights and 1174 01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:33,039 some he won, some he lost. He had tremendous battles with Wilson Rodriguez 1175 01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:38,680 and with Ruellis, and the two fights with Ivan Robinson and Angel Manfreddie and 1176 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,640 the underrated war with Calvin Grove, and I could go on. Then he 1177 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,960 has the Mickey Word trilogy, and you got to figure after that kind of 1178 01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:48,000 stuff, after those wars and all the fights that we mentioned before, he 1179 01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:51,399 had fought Oscar dal Lajoya in an underrated action fight where he got dominated but 1180 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,880 still put up a great fight before he got stopped. If you take all 1181 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,720 those out of the equation, you just looked at his post Mickey Word career. 1182 01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,920 He went on and one another world title. He made multiple defenses, 1183 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,039 and he didn't be bums. He beat like solid guys, I mean, 1184 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,279 maybe not the elite of the elite. And then you know, obviously that 1185 01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,640 came to an end when he fought me Weather, who completely obviously outclassed him. 1186 01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:17,319 But I'm saying he had some of his biggest moments and biggest defenses and 1187 01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:24,000 biggest pay days post Mickey Ward. Remember this, Artaro Gotti was supposed to 1188 01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:28,319 be done going into the Oscar fight. The day La Joya fight was his 1189 01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,439 golden parachute career, high purse one point eight million. Here's your good retirement 1190 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,520 plan. Go in there, get your ass kicked by Oscar, take your 1191 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:40,279 money, and enjoy retirement. He lost that fight, yes, but he 1192 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,319 got the Ward fights after that he got another world title. After that, 1193 01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:45,279 he made a lot of more money, made even more fans continue to sell 1194 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:50,119 out arenas. He packed the arenas at the main arena at a boardwalk hall 1195 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,279 for nine I believe it was nine consecutive fights. After the first Mickey fight, 1196 01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:59,199 which was in Connecticut, the second two and three we're in in Atlantic 1197 01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:01,960 City. So that fight is sort of like where you can have the line 1198 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:08,600 of demarcation for Arturo's great career. But a fantastic fight. A great documentary 1199 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,640 that HBO did a few years later that encompasses the rivalry between Mickey and Arturo. 1200 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,960 That they covered all three fights and they called it Legendary Nights. It 1201 01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:18,680 wasn't done in the same style as the original documentary series in terms of thirty 1202 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:24,880 minute shows, but a great, great documentary to watch if you're interested in 1203 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,119 those fights. But that first fight, I can guarantee you that when we're 1204 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,119 done with this podcast, I'm going on YouTube. I'm watching that fight again. 1205 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,520 I'm watching those big shots, I'm watching those great rounds. I mean, 1206 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,520 it's just one of the most legendary fights of all time, and it 1207 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,720 was made that way not only by their unrelenting ridiculous action and that fight really 1208 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,359 didn't really pick up and steam up until around the fourth round. But you 1209 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,039 have to give the props to my friends from HBO who you know, Jim 1210 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,520 Lampley, Larry Merchant, and un Amingo Stewart who their call of the fight. 1211 01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,359 They they elevated it. They rose to the and realize what they were 1212 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,560 watching and they made it bigger with how they called it. I completely agree 1213 01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:10,760 on that because that only adds to it. Great stuff on GADDY Ward one, 1214 01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,039 which was twenty one years ago on Thursday, as we released this podcast 1215 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:18,079 into Friday. With that, it has been a busy show. All right, 1216 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:21,239 one more time again, we'll be on the bet Us show making betting 1217 01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:25,560 predictions depending on when you're hearing us One Eastern Time. Will make the betting 1218 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,600 predictions including Hany Lomachenko, which we talked a lot about at the beginning of 1219 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,359 the podcast, and also the Nakatani Maloney world title fight that is on the 1220 01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:39,880 undercard, as well as Shantell Cameron Katie Taylor undisputed one hundred forty pound women's 1221 01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,680 title fight. Will pick all those fights on the bet US Show One Eastern 1222 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,039 Time coming on Friday, and as I always like to say, as we 1223 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,359 wrap it up, what say we come off the weekend and recap everything that 1224 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,119 happens on the Fight Freaks Unite recap. You up for that. No matter 1225 01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:58,359 what happens is weekend, we'll be talking about it on this very podcast feed 1226 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,039 when the weekend is over. My friend, I'll be up for it. 1227 01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,800 Does a bear shit in the woods? I believe he does. I don't 1228 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,239 know where else he would. On that note, have a great weekend, 1229 01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:10,800 Dan rayphel Let's see what happens in Vegas and in Dublin, Ireland. Great 1230 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,479 stuff here, nice job talking with Katie Taylor. Let's see if she has 1231 01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,000 a big victory in her home country or not. We're all good. Thank 1232 01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:20,000 you. Enjoy the weekend. See on the bed show. There is one 1233 01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:24,359 Dan Rayphael. I'm merely GJ Reeves again. Follow or subscribe on the Big 1234 01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:28,279 Fight Weekend podcast feed. We preview going into the weekend. We recap with 1235 01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,399 the Fight Preach Unite recap. 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