Weary way. Welcome back midnight viewers to anthologies, attack and follow them alone
and with me as always as Antonio Lapour. Tonight, we're devolving from the
usual format to give you the first in what appears to be an ongoing series
of superhero school yard brawls. But rather than pit characters against each other,
who would win in a fight Batman or Superman, it's Superman here, we're
pitting characters against themselves, using their cinematic or television incarnations to accomplish just that.
We're starting with the DC villains. Enjoy. We're gonna start really hard.
Actually, we're gonna start with Lex Luthor. Okay, so I'll just
do versus versus versus whoever wins moves on in the bracket, all right ready,
Gene Hackman versus Kevin Spacey. Oh, Gene Hackman would just murder Kevin
Spacey. Gene Hackman is just so diabolical that Lex Luthor. He's so lacking
any morals. And the thing is the difference is that Lex Luthor is very
charming. Kevin Spacey is not charming at all, as Lex Luthor's Kevin Spacey's
Lex Luther just a mean spirited little prick and has no charisma, has no
charm whatsoever. He's just bald. You sense the violence in the Gene Hackman,
Oh absolutely, there's just an underlying just psycho psychopath. I'm in there,
like literally, he's gonna murder everybody in New Jersey just to prove a
point. It's just that to distract Superman. There's nothing there. He just
throws the Kryptonite on him, just kick like. It's unexpected violence from Gene
Hackman. You expect Kevin Spacey be violent, to hit you with a crowbar.
Yeah, but okay, Gene Hackman, you don't expect it from And
when she goes when ms Testmukers, he's like les, my mother lives in
Hackensack, and he just looks at his watch and looks up to her and
shakes his head. No, that is some poor Yeah, yeah, that's
fucked up, all right. Gene Hackman Versus Jesse Eisenberg. Really, you're
gonna actually have to be entertain this, Okay, never mind. Jesse Eisenberg
has the resources though, he's got the money in the power already. But
again he's Jesse Eisenberg. He's a little punk. I feel like Gene Hackman
would definitely, but if you know what, if you bring up John Cryer
just about do yeah, I think John Cryer might pull that one out of
it. But I think John Cryer is the best Lex Luthor. He's my
favorite at least why because I feel like he is the son of the gene
Hackman Lex Luthor al mostly not cannot canonically or anything like that, but I
feel like he's in that spirit is as term as far as the ruthlessness,
Yeah, the ruthlessness and sense of humor and arrogance, all kind and charm.
I feel like that John Cryer Lex Luthor is as charming as the and
John Caryer played Lenny Luther and Superman four. That's right, okay, John
Cryer versus John Shay from Lewis in Front. You know, he's the forgotten
Lex Luthor and he was really good. He had hair and then he lost
it all. But his performance was very good, ruthless and very ruthless,
and what a great delivery by John Shaye. But still John Cryer, John
beats John Shay. Should we get voice actors as well? Should you throw
a couple of them in here? If if you put Clancy Brown and then
Clancy Brown just automatically wins. Okay, we're gonna keep voice actors out of
it, because that's the one I'm going to all right, John Fryer versus
Oh my Rosenbaum, Michael Rosenban. I'm gonna throw my two cents in here.
Rosenbaum all the way. Rosenbaum is the wasted Lex Luthor because man,
small though I did not like, but man, he's good on that show.
Fucking great show. He's fucking he is my favorite les Yeah, he's
pretty goodt. Look, I think Nicol Holt is a fine choice for Superman.
Yeah, but we already had a winner. I do think that Nicholas
Holt it is going to be pretty close to Michael Rosenbaum, because I feel
like Nicholas Holt is Michael Rosenbums Nicolas Hall grew up on. Yeah, I
was just gonna say, yeah, probably that's his lex let. Yeah,
that's his lex let. But that might force him to go completely the other
direction. We've already seen the other direction. Guns. Lex Luthor is Gene
Hackman. So what I always love about Gene Hackman is that Gene Hackman at
his heart was like a swindler. He was just he was there, I
say Trumpion. In his nature, he's just a real estate hustler and a
huckster. He just happens to be brilliant, but he's such an arrogant prick
that that gets in his way every single time. Can I say that?
When I like about the Hackman people have problem with this. But what I
like about the Hackman character I like to it's on the back foot, that
he's a criminal and he's underground and can't show his face. I'm perfectly at
ease with a billionaire Lex Luthor. I'm also in love with President Luthor.
But that version of the character intrigued me. But he's the gene Hackman.
Luther is the Luther that Tom Mankowitz and Rick Dick Danner grew up reading.
They grew up with fat guy scientist Lex Luthor who was always trying to have
a scheme and like he was a criminal and he was just always underground doing
his thing. That that Lex Luthor, that Lex Luthor lost his hair in
a science lab experience when he was a little yeah, the super Bowl,
you know, and that Lex Luthor eventually got slimmed down and he started wearing
the purple and green and the power suit. But it's that's that Lex Luthor,
that Gene Hackman. Lex Luthor's in that spirit. I think had that
had a Marvel budget or whatever, had the tech been there, then that
Gene Hackman would have gotten a crazy costume flown around and the stuff. Now
we got Rosenbaum for the wind here, But had rosenb I'm coming before John
Pryor to face Gene Hackman, would we still be talking about Rosenbaum as the
winner. No, because I feel like the Lex Luthor would. Ultimately,
it's tough the experience man, He's just middle aged. The middle age Lex
Luthor has been doing that his whole life versus a thirty year old Lex Luthor
that Rosenbud almost playing just experience with trumpet. Here's what I'll say in favor
of Rosenbaum. His Lex Luthor was genuinely crazy. He had actual psychotic breaks
on the show. Yeah, I think that Lex Luthor. I think he
would actually take Hackman because his Lex Corp. What he was building with secret
levels and fucking harnessing super villains already. I don't think Hackman's Luther could even
fathom that idea. Lex Luthor Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor exists because there are no
supervillains. Yeah, I guess you're right, although he did steal a nuclear
missile from a No, that's what I'm saying. He worked great. There
are no supervillains to deal with. One super villains are uns Luthor a small
potato? Yeah, no, no kidding, And I can't imagine that Lex
Luthor having to deal with Caesar Romero the Joker, which is murderer. Rosenbaumb
on the other hand, totally Yeah, it's true. Rose, although although
golly, wouldn't you have liked to have seen Jack Nicholson and Gene Hackman Michael
K Chriss Avengers Yeah? Oh yeah, oh god that they don't have anybody
else with that justice yea, no, you're fine, But still just seeing
those two giants faced each other. There we go, where we go?
All right? Keeping it in the DC universe, We're talking to Riddler,
all right, Jim Carrey versus John Aston. Jim Carrey wins that one.
I love John Aston, but John Aston is not the Riddler. John Aston
is wiry. Yeah he's wiry, but I just you think his version of
Riddler is less likely In Battle of Wits with the Jim Carrey's Edler Dingma John
Aston. Yeah, I still I gotta give Jim Carrey's Riddler the credit of
build, of managing to build a giant blender on an island off of Gotham
City and sucking everybody's brains. That's a pretty high level scheme. That's true.
In that case, let's throw him immediately again. And he figured out
that, Bruce Wayne, that's pretty hard. Riddler always does as possible.
Yeah, I think every iteration of eventually then it's gotta be carry versus portion.
I think Corson will take him. Orson is the Riddler, Yes,
like just you're gonna be. You're gonna throw all these other Riddlers at me,
and I'm always gonna say, Frank Gorshen, there's only one other one
that satching Paul Dano. Yeah he's yeah, Paul Daniel. He's pretty meticulous
that Yeah, he's very meticulous. He's very interesting. He's not the Riddler.
You need the jumpsuit. Yeah, he's not gonna put on that jumpsuit.
If Frank Gorshon's gonna bust through a window wearing that jumpsuit and cackling and
just being the baddest villain this side of the Joker, like that Riddler was
dangerous. I always thought, oh, I agree, Frank Gorson. Yeah,
Frank Gorshen, I always I mean back in the nineties and they're making
Batman forever. I always in favored. Just kiss Frank Gorshon, who cares
he could have still played it? I would like to have Yeah, okay,
Carmine Falcom, John Polito versus John Tetua, John Toto, John Turo.
I agree, John Teturo versus Tom Wilkinson. You know this one is
hard because his Tom Wilkinson was pretty good. Tom wilk was really good.
Yeah. I almost believed he was Italian. I almost believed it was the
Italian. And the monologue that he gives Bruce Wayne is just spectacular. Man,
that that monologue. He's this, look at you, Bruce Wayne,
Prince a Gotham. But you know, if I shoot you, right,
that's great. But John to Toro John, because he's junka Toro. There's
no question. Yeah, are you kidding me that John Taturo will take a
baseball bat and kill you to death and not break a slat. I heard
they cast John and ask what oh welcome. Oh, okay, great,
Yeah, I believed it. I believe it that he's the Catwoman's father.
I love that angle. By the way, Catwoman is also is Italian and
her mother is Cuban. Was is I the Cuban? I discovered that.
I was pretty proud of that. I'm like, that's right, okay,
General Zod start easy. Sam Whitler on small will oh yeah, yeah,
I remember I you'd see that Sam Whitwer. But also and the same show,
Zohn was played by Michael Rosenbaum versus Odd. Oh well, did he
have Odd's brain or something in him? Yeah? No, it's kind of
an even messs just versus Yeah, so we'll give it to Rosenba. Is
it the same z Odds the same Sod on a different buye? Okay,
then let's say, uh, Smallville's different versus Michael Shannon. Oh, Michael
Shannon. He's a great actor, man. Yeah. He had that cool
little beard, a little cool little Caesar beard and haircut going on. Man,
he was ready for bongos and fucking poetry. Yeah, he was.
I and he's like my age, but he looks ten years older than me.
He has as a real authority to him. But he would completely destroy
which thanks the question because the others are the only others. Odd. Yeah,
really is his name is step your n Terrence Stamp, Terrence Stamp,
the Great Terrence sta Parent Stamp versus Michael Shannon tough one physically, Michael Shannon.
I Michael Shannon Zod was an animal, But come on, dude,
is he gonna outwit that guy? That guy I don't know. That guy
was pretty stupid. In the end, he got outwitted by just the old
He got taken by down by the old switcher route. But yeah, we
weren't privy to Terrence Stamps Tenod's revolution. But unless you watch that deleted scene,
in which case his only active rebellion was to go into one room,
break a crystal and get caught in the Phantom town before getting tricked by this
the I think Michael Shannon wins too, but Darren Stamp has the best lines.
Come on when the guys like, but there is somebody who can stand
up to you? Who is he? Who is this? Show him to
me? And he gets like, oh god up, And there's only been
one captain cold really on the TV show on in the Arrow verse. He
was spectacular Wentworth Miller, Wentworth Miller as Captain Cold was one of the finest
supervillain performances ever. Man. He had so much personality, so much gravitza,
so much fun fun, and his line delivery was just spectacular. Man.
I love him that. Those first three or four seasons of the Flash
are great. Then it just goes off the rails. But like when it's
just getting started, and especially that second season when it was just Supervillain after
Supervillain as the supervillain, it was really neat. We got to Freeze based
villains in the DC universe with Victor Freeze and Captain Cold. Yeah, I've
always preferred Captain Cold. Captain Cold has a rogues Gallery that that's his group,
the Rogues Gallery, and he has an actual moral code. Yeah,
he can't kill anybody and hang with Cool I I and he's, you know
what, even better than everything. He's got those fucking glasses, those fucking
white shades with the little slits for eyes. Oh my god. I love
mister Freeze. When he's done well, like on the animated show, he's
spectacular. And there's five minutes and Batman and Robin that are pretty good.
I feel like he's just a common criminal that found some great tech and he's
like, dude, I'm gonna be a fucking super villain. And then all
of a sudden he becomes as cool as his name, you know what I
mean? And what I liked about Wentenwore's Miller performances. That definitely was a
guy who was putting on airs like he definitely was playing the you know,
Leonard Start was definitely playing the part when he walked around and he talked like
this and like he was trying to be cool, and it was so solid,
and I'm like, I think James Gunn should just dig him up and
just bring him in one thousand. That's the best thing to come out in
versus finding him and finding that fucking role for him. Yeah, because yeah
it's And reviews people don't like his performance, don't it's too managed or whatever.
I'm like, no, that's what makes it so cool. Yeah,
it's exactly what it should be, because that's a guy that you can drop
in a room with the likes of Lex Luthor and he's gonna put that on
and you're gonna believe it. I feel like that he got Boba fetted too
early and he got storm shadowed too early in the run of the show.
Yeah, he got turned he was so popular as a bad guy, he
got turned into a good guy. That's how I mean when he gets storm
shadowed, basically because the storm shadow was a very popular g I Joe villain
and he got turned into one of the jos Boba Fett eventually is now more
or less a good guy now in the Mando verse. Yeah, a good
gun crime boss. He's just the head of the Salvation. No no,
you know how like in modern crime shows, you have all these like ethnic
gangs, and the worst gang is usually the Russians, and the nicest gang
is usually like the Bloods of the Crips. It'd runs the Bloods of the
Crips in the movie universe. Basically, he's like the crook, but he's
just not like the level of the hats who are Yes. But I feel
like they could have done a couple more seasons of Captain Cold being a bad
Captain Cold and heat Wave being bad guys. And that's my favorite performance by
Dominic what's his name, the guy who plays heat Wave? Yeah, I
like I remember he plays He's God bless him. He's terrible as Dracula in
that Blade movie. Was that no neck and just like pro Dracula Chadula and
then but he as heat waved man. He's great. I agree with you.
They were in that Prison Break show together, Yeah they had that.
I never watched that show, but that told me that they were good in
that. Yeah, yeah, great, I assume they were. But yeah,
a Captain call the every Day Week. Alan has played every character by
a voice. He sure has. Alan two Dix. He's classically trained.
You went to Juilliard. He's been around forever too. When we get to
The Batman's Adam West wins The Batman, he trumps everybody. There's no one
can bring himself to him, so I can't hit this guy. Then he
spulled something out of the utility of shark repellent. They wrote that into a
recent issue. Yeah, I saw it in something he wrote. He like,
Batman is chasing a character called the Red Mask, who's a variant,
a multiversal variant of the Joker, but who never became the Joker. So
he just hops around the multiverse making jokers. Somebody somebody did some d MT
before they wrote that issue. But anyways, Batman has to follow him regular
real Batman from the comic book universe, follows him through the multi verse and
ends up meeting Adam West, and Adam West is like, hey, here,
take my utility belt because Batman's lost his gear, and take my utility
belt, and Batman's great. And then at some point he's fighting a shark
in the thing and he's like, well, I finally met a variant more
prepared than me. Yeah, sometimes you can't get rid of a bomb.
But you know, if Batman knows he goes out into the ocean a lot,
he's gonna have shark repelling. That's true. He's gonna bat boat for
Christis, Yeah, for fucking favorite toy is growing up plastic version of the
bat boat from the Adams Yeah Fin on the Bend. Yeah, absolutely,
And it wasn't made for the pool, but you could bring was it the
Mego one or was it the or was it it was a fragile plastic hmm?
Because eventually the Finn broke off. Oh yeah, and that was quite
sad. King Pin John Reese Davies versus is Michael Clark Duncan. Oh.
John Reeve Davies versus Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin. Holy John Rees Davies
is more of a techno kingpin. He had a little motorized chair and he
was constantly checking video screens. Yeah, and I remember him biting on his
microphone while he was getting excited. A daredevil was getting his butt kicked.
No, he was a terrible, terrible David Michael Clark Duncan would take him
like he had a beard, he had a full head of hair. I
think he could have claimed the Kingpin had, you know, like someone more
skilled had had I directed that, you know, or you know, had
someone given a crap about what was going on. In that NBT movie of
the Week that I watched when I was thirteen, I think it was an
incredible Hulk, wasn't it right? It was incredible hul Right, Yeah.
It was one of the Trial of the Incredible Hulk where Matt Murdoch is defending
Banner. What was his name? And it wasn't Bruce. It was David
Banner. David Banner, right, because Bruce was gay, you know why
they called yeah, David was Bruce was too gay. And I'm just like,
because of Bruce late Bruce Waite, I don't understand where that Bruce is
gay Bruce Bruce, I guess is what was on people the producer's minds at
that moment in the seventies. But this was in the eighties, so it
like had the only joke I don't know, Bruce was in charge of the
sheep. The only Bruce sort of reference I had ever known was Monty Python
and the Holy Grit. The Australians were all named Bruce. Yeah, Bruce,
the Bruce on Bruce and a George of the Tea like what, Yeah,
I'd never thought that was weird, but I remember that and had you
have that black Dareduble costumes. Well they kind of replicated that when they when
they did the Marvel series as well for the first season, but yeah,
that whole first season he just had that Ninjas moved gone. Yeah, it
looked like that was a little more like that that Romita and Frank Miller proto
Daredevil and that that Daredale ear one or whatever that they did. But Okay,
obviously Michael Clark Documentari Michael Clark, So I'm gonna go back to Michael
Clark Duncan. He was the he was really good of that pic. That
movie is not very good there's a good movie in there somewhere, But whoever
cut that picture was was probably a studio execu really messy. It's not all
of these like really dated music drops in it. Oh my god, m
Nsnce Walt. Also, I was listening to a podcast yesterday and they were
talking about music drops. I think it was unspooled, and they were talking
about you know, JJ Abrams star Trek, how it has you know,
the Beastie Boys in it, and the fact that you know you're putting in
pop music that's like ten twenty years old in your future movie gives it this
sense that it's already a classic almost right, the more timeless, but like
putting like the current pop pin in it nowadays really to dates the hell out
of it. It was like any any movie from the nineties, as a
Will Smith song in it is just awful. Well, if you're if you're
using a music supervisor who is known for their current thing, then you're you're
going to go wrong. I think, Yeah, I think a movie like
I think the music supervisor over at Marvel now is pretty is pretty clever with
the one that they've used for the past, you know, decade or so
that that keeps everything you know, in a sort of classic down. I
mean, you know, it's like everything's gonna on timeless field to it.
As far as the music coast, their music selections are always you know,
and Jaane Gunns with all music supervisor, he finds out you know, he's
doing this, is and this. Ultimately that's what I find It's it's when
the filmmaker is curating the soundtrack that that's when you get a soundtrack that will
not sound dated ten twenty years on. Oh yeah, absolutely, I agree.
I mean, Quentin Tarantino built his whole career tod. I liked Marco
Michael Clark Duncan's King Payton, but like you said, the movie is a
mess. There are way too many characters, there are way too many plot
lines going on. It's just overstuffed and you can't focus on anything. And
that's unfortunate. Because I liked his Kingpin, I didn't. I think we
didn't get to see enough of him. Nevertheless, if you delivery is great,
oh yeah, he does. He doesn't, and he's not very fat,
he's just fuff. It's just well, I would like to even meet
some rim Michael Clark Duncan's a talent we lost way too early. I always
really like every time I saw him on somebody, they put a smile on
my face. Here's the giant dude who should have been a good actor by
by the stretches of you know, traditional idea, you know what I mean,
that people would think and he would great man. He had so much
screen presence. His delivery was always really like on point and like his delivery
and Kingpin is right on. He's a busy actor. Kingpin. I buy
him one hundred percent as a Kingpin. The way he speaks and all that
stuff and fighting when when when he goes up against Daredevil at the end of
the film, like I fully expected him to take Daredevil apart. Absolutely that
dared Devil's weird though with that. But I guess there's a good movie in
there because all the ideas of him sleeping in the in the what is it
in the in the in the in the isolation tank and him like with all
the painkillers and being all beat up. That's that's tough. Yeah, the
no, there's a there's a lot to recommend that film. But and Colin
Farrell looks stupid, but you know, oh, Bree, that movie comes
to life when he shows up. Colin Farrell is a great actor. I
think he I don't know. I mean, you know, he's not that
underrated, but I think people tend to forget how good he is for guys
you know, in my in my age group, I like, I always
really really enjoy whenever he's on scoring except for Alexander, but that's a whole
other thing. Yeah, that's not his fault. Everyone was just excited to
go work for Oliver Stone, doing a bit like a sand and sore sandal
and sword at that, not realizing that that that Oliver Stone had lost his
mind by that. Oh God, now, Michael Clarke Duncan, let's put
him in a room with Vincent and Afria. What's going to happen? Look
into an Aufria is just going to kill a a three second. God,
bless God, blessed Michael Clarke Duncan and all his ability and his talent and
his wait in his charm. But Vincent Inoffia literally is Wilson Fitz. He's
if that whole multiverse theory is to be believed, He's just a barrier the
Wilson faith who ended up becoming an actor instead of a prime boss, because
that is the best casting. Maybe you know, it's on par with Chris
Reeve and and and Robert Downey Junior. As far as this is the comic
book character here he is there's nothing. There's no interpretation here. There's nothing
wrong with him as the Kingdim There's nothing. Yeah, but no, he's
huge, he's fat, bop, he's Shakespearean, he's a street dog.
He does it all at once. Isn't an Afrio pounder forul pound one of
our fighter factors, if not the finest. He astonishes me every time he's
on screen. His Wilson Fisk. You're right, it's it's so much better
than we deserved because we get to see the depths of that man's soul.
I'm on the Kingpin's side on that set. I know he tickle, and
I should not be. He is a despicable human being, fortheless, but
he's so much fun to watch. He's so much fun to watch, and
he's as good as you know. And our good kind of book going is
that you gotta have a good time watching the villain because they're supposed to be
the most despicable people on earth. And you know, a good movie villain.
He's got to be fun to watch. Fader is fun to watch.
He's evil, but man, that Snoop's washing her out with that cape and
that sword. It's great. Yeah, Kingpin should be no different, and
every time he's on screen it's it's just incredible. I really Yeah, He's
one of my favorite things about the whole MCU is. I hope he get
more of him, and I hope he goes up against Spider Man. I
want to him, you know. Yeah, I want some street level people
in the MCU now, I mean, I love the Daredel. That's the
one I liked about the team because the Punishers. The casting is good,
but the show wasn't very good. The Defenders was okay, Luke Cage.
I really like Jessica Jones the first season was pretty good, and and I
and Trist was awful. But Darnel, who was consistently good all the way
through speak yeah. Speaking of Bullsye, Okay, Bullseye on the in the
MCU and the TV universe. That was Wilson Bethel as Bullseye up against Colin
Farrell because the other guy's have barely been Bullseye point. Yeah, he's pretty
good with the baseball, I've noticed, and he can make some trick shots,
but he's not gonna He's not gonna plunk a peanut into some guy's throat
who's bothering him because snoring too much, and murder him that way. He's
not going to take a paper clip and and turn that into a missile.
When he pulled off his cap and he had the bulls Eye in it,
and not even that that was great, but the the big street fight where
he throws Daredevil's baton and it ends up killing his dad, there's a Colin
Farrell points at the at the wounded man, points to his forehead, points
to himself bulls eye. Oh. And at that moment I went, oh
my god, this movie's going to be great, not realizing the cacaphony that
would come afterwards. But yeah, felt that he understood that movie more than
the filmmaker understood that. Yeah, he did. He gets it. He
and you know, I'm I. I really liked him as the penguin.
You know he was doing he was doing a something heavily inspired by by a
Nero as Capold and the Untouchables. But that's okay because when I was twelve
I was watching The Untouchables and going and that's the win. So you know,
I'm really looking forward to that TV show. I'm like, I will
spend I will spend in a very in that goth look. Well, I
love that Gotham. I loved The Batman a little long, but for the
most part, I really really, really, really like I think Matt Reid
understands Gotham City and he gets those characters. And even though he's doing a
grown up r raidary version of it, like where everybody's really serious, it's
still very good. And I correct yesterday that Pattinson might go up. I
don't pay much show, so let's go to be neat. I don't.
They can have no other Batman characters show up on that show, and I'm
going to be riveted to it. I love Matt Reid's take on that character.
I love his take on Gotham, I love his take on the Batman
in general. That is honestly, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie because
I just love how gothic comic book is. But if there's one film that
I would point to and go, yeah, that's Batman, it would be
The Batman. Yeah. Absolutely, and I'm not you know why that cinem
photography is gorgeous. It's just a beautiful movie, man. It is just
a really pretty, pretty pretty Gothic city and and and more colorful than the
trailer lets you believe, because the trailer just thinks that just tells you,
oh, we shot this whole movie with the red Jolter. He really because
there's a lot of it that's you know, blue, and there's a lot
of it that's green, or there's it's more colorful than the than than the
promotional let you on. But it's all orange like Batman begins is. And
it pays to it pays to take a new look at Gotham. I understand
that a lot of the Gothams of the Gotham city scenes were filmed in Scotland
this time. Yeah, well Scotland has naturally Gothic architecture perfect. Yeah yeah
that that that you think Glasgo Gotham is pretty interesting is a smart thing to
do. You know. I liked the one aspect of the Nolan films that
I liked is that they went to Chicago and did it and it immediately made
it not look like New York, which is what we're Cotton used to for
Batman. What it's I knew it was the cogo immediately, Liba exactly.
That was the thing. He didn't change it. He didn't change it enough.
Now, the first one tried to make it a little more you know,
comic bookie with you know, the crazy train thing going around and stuff.
But yeah, but what happened to the monoail and all the rest of
the movie. Yeah, no, no, they didn't make it to the
second one. But the second one just looks like, well, I remember
that Steve from The Untouchables, that street, I remember that sheet Street from
Fars Butler. So it's just a little too Chicago. I liked the idea
of making Gotham holding the Chicago place in the DC universe, being the second
city. Okay, I get that, it's you know, not not Metropolis
but Golfham cities, but east I think seventy before Goltham City villas on the
eastern Oh yeah, no, it needs an ocean Matt Matt Reeds one nearly
east of board. I really like that be the Gothham Square thing that like,
that central part of the city is just gorgeous. Man, I really
liked that. I can't remember this, it's a cinematographer's name, but I
know Deacons was talking about had him on the pod on his podcast and it
was a really good one, and they they talk about how they shot a
lot of the Batman on the volume, but really because the usually tell right
away it's on a volume, you know, even the Mandalorian, which is
fantastic and has the best effects ever on TV, you can get all they're
on the volume every time. I think they were using it mainly for the
driving when they're in the car, like moving around. It's very you know,
it's almost sleight of hand, and you can't just go look at the
glory of it. You have to get around and all that stuff still in
the world. When him and Catwoman were on on top of the building,
you know, and and that beat up in that that that building, that's
all a volume shot. Man. Oh the whole thing is that that would
have taken two months. They shot it in a day because they didn't have
to flight the light. I did not realize that. Okay, see even
better, the movie gets better. Matt reeves he's certainly favorite guy working right
now. Yeah, he is, because I love just plane out of the
eighth movies. I really enjoyed him that that that first one that he did,
the second Planet of the Eighth movie, is I guess his first one
or whatever. There was that one ship that like didn't have all the hair
on his face. Coda, huh coda. Yeah, what's the most amazing
looking d G character. I think Matt Reeves is a real good hand along
working on an effect movie and like doing the invisible effect. Yeah, it's
an effects movie, but we're not It's it's an effecting movie, but I'm
not focusing on the effect. I'm not here to show off the shots.
If I want, I want you to just kind of like be in my
world. It really did. I like him. I agree with you.
Yeah, he seems to be one of the few filmmakers who adopted the idea
that these are tools. Yeah, and he's got a great mustache he does
actually. Yeah, you know, he's one of those guys that I have
a list of, you know, five or six guys and gals I'd love
to make produce my next movie. He's really high on them. You know,
he would he would ste in the right direction. I'm speaking of the
right direction. Going back now to the mcu. We're stepping above the street
level here. Now, this is an either or situation. Most mcu characters
have only been played once, if not twice. Yeah, So so we
have to kind of pit them against one another. Here we're gonna talk.
We're gonna take Scott Pollen versus Hugo Weaving as the Red Spot got Paul and
everybody shows up and he's Captain America shows up with his rubbery years. He
got well the fulk and I'm just like, is either He's Italian? Yeah?
Palland was the red Skull In Albert Payun's nineteen nineteen ninety The New World
Pictures Captain America, starring Matt Dallinger The Suck? Was it his grandson?
Was he the direct son? I thought he was his grandson? Oh?
Was his grand Maybe? Does it really matter? It doesn't And I don't
care to look him up. Yeah. The only the only thing you know
about the actor is that he's related to the most famous reclusive writer ever.
Okay, great, good for him. Here's the best part of that movie.
In eighteen eighty nine, I was standing in the Showcase Cinemas in Revere,
Massachusetts, and I turned around and there was a poster with Captain America's
shield on it and it said summer, and I went, Holy god,
they made a fucking Captain America movie. And that level of excitement and enjoyment
was the sum total of my appreciation of what we eventually got. Yeah,
do you remember comic scene, Oh my god, and they had that that
co mixed the film thing in the back that was the first basically the birth
of the Internet was that section right there. And I remember reading that thing,
always keeping a look, and like I remember every year the Captain America
was always on that list and her being you know, nine, ten,
twelve whatever in Captain America rumored as the Red Skull Marlon Brenton, Now that
would have been something, Well, Captain of America, come on the way
to you, Mothly Germany. Yeah, you wouldn't have been Italian in that
version. I can tell you. Why don't they make him a town.
I understand that they filmed the movie in Italy and that well, axis powers
are axis powers, I guess, So I guess this skull answers to al
Duce. But weird, taking everything away from that awful, awful, awful
movie, This scene where Captain America shows up in the Red Skull's base and
he's got a rocket and he dressed up like a Nazi. And that those
three minutes at the very beginning, at the very beginning, they're cool.
The rest of that movie is garbage. That was Albert. You know,
I was friends of them on Facebook for a few years before he passed.
Constantly he was just constantly working that guy, even you know, poor guy
in dementia or something, really care about the end, there was still making
a movie. So you know, God bless him for that, you know.
And it wasn't just the fact that he directed them three hundred said like
that, none of them are great or anything, but man, that's I
liked Cyborg a lot when I was like a kid. There you go.
We can point to them when I like that one by John Claude. Man,
damn, that's always a good day. Yeah, that's Hubo. We
definitely have. Yeah, there's no question you weaving with just decimated a great
fucking actor. He's a great villain actor. I wish he were so precious
about the makeup. I wish they would have figured out a way just to
put the Bobslaer's face and just let him be a CIEG makeup. I don't
know why the didn't just do that. I granted, would one for wear
the makeup just to look like the Red Skull. But you and I both
worked, you know, have have worked monster jobs where you gotta wear that
stuff. And I remember that Gorratorium when we leased to work the Eli Roff
joined a bunch of years ago. I did that Bernie thing where it was
a full head makeup and it's all glued, and I had a panicetory,
like it's not comfortable to wear that. And I've been acting since I was
a nine year old, and sometimes that that makeup is really really uncomfortable,
really really constricting. I read that Jim Carrey went to CIA torture experts so
he can get through the Grinch makeup. I got it, dude, it
well in that case, he was head to toe, he's he was in
case. But I played that role too, so I know just how constricting
and claustrophobic Bernie could have been, and prosthetics in general can be. So
yeah, I mean, I totally agree with Hugo Weaving. I don't think
at that point, but this is like two thousand and nine, I don't
think at that point they were ready to go full CG face replacement with the
with the main character and the thing when they can do it with makeup.
But then, yeah, they didn't have they didn't have Dark Knight money like
they did with two Face. Was the with the CG maker, Oh yeah,
that was that was beautiful, So that was around the same time.
But yeah, and that's only one or two scenes and he's like laying in
bed or you know, they got a locked off camera in another position.
That was just a budget Yeah, and Red skulls in lush it through every
moment of this movie. But man, he's so good and he's frigging an
accents amazing, like how he really went out of his way to make the
Red Skull Austrian because he that's an Austrian Arnold Fortuneinger accident if I ever heard
one gifted the guy. I'm just a fan of you. Yeah, he's
so good. I'm annoyed that that that they chilled them off and he won't
come back because he's the best villain they they've had up until Vigiddinofrio. I
think he was my favorite of the of the m CU golins. Here's the
thing, I loved Civil War, and I love Baron Zimo as a character,
but that should have been the Red Skull, Oh absolutely, And he
should have won at the end, because Emo wins at the end of that
movie, or or the Red Skull should have been Alexander Pierce in in the
Winter Soldier the end, you know, ripped off his head and you go
weaving underneath Robert Redford, or just say Robert Redford is at the Red Skull.
Yeah right, yeah, you know it's been one hundred years, you
know whatever, seventy five years, he's had comic book plastic surgery. So
I think they dropped the ball in the Red Skull, and I think not
having him around hurt MC you a little bit as far for mine case as
a comic book fan who grew up with that stuff. I also feel like
I wish I would have seen him be more of a Nazi, but that's
because I love I love him. The joke when like a superheroes fighting the
Nazi and the Nazi just something stupid and the superhero goes Master Race, huh,
may have made a Master Race joke. In Highlander. There's a deleted
scene where he meets his secretary where she's a little girl in World War two
and he's saving her from some Nazi who shoots him full of bullholes, right,
and the guy who barks something at him in German and Christopher Lambert kind
of spits out and whatever you say, Jack, you're at the master race.
Okay, I'm going to applaud you right now. I have never heard
a Christopher lamb impression before, and that was fucking bought on. I I
met him once when I was maybe nineteen twenty years old, working at the
Warner Brothers studio store. He came in. He bought a five hundred dollars
Bugs Bunny pewter statue, one of those they had the this we had,
there's a pewter A guy who makes pewter thing like clowns are his main thing.
And then he made a bunch of a bit of a Bugs Bunny ones
Warner Brothers, We'll thank you for collecting. But he came in, he
was very very nice. His credit card say Christian Lambelle, and I go,
you know, I go, You're my favorite Tarzan and I love oh,
I thank you. Whatever that laugh he does. I like to imagine
he has that statue prominently displayed in his home. Oh yeah, right,
like right next to Connor McLeod's sore. He's got I mean, he's Connor
baby, he's got the little you know bugs, buddy. I mean,
did he buy it? Peppy Leaf? You are God man. I wish
I hope he would have bought it. That Billy puke would only be a
prayer, pray. He's a great dude. Man. He always made me
happy when I was a kid. Thinking for some reason or the other,
I always just really liked that guy. There's something about his face. It's
effortlessly attractive. Yeah, and that his countenance seems bemused. If you can
kind of if you can come off amused and not smug, then that that's
a rare commodity. That's a good that's a pretty good analogy. That's because,
Yeah, that's pretty much what he does. What was the last thing
I saw him in? Was he in? Uh? Oh? He's in
that that Owen Brothers. He's in Hail Caeson. He plays that movie director.
Oh, that's right, that's right. I said again. That movie
has been growing on me lately. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a get
better every time you watch a kind of movie because the first time you're watching
them, like this structure gets on my nerve, and then by the end
of it you're like, see, it's a lot like it's a lot like
a Robert Altman movie. Here's this big community and one guy is gonna kind
of like float around the community a little bit, but everybody's gonna be kind
of really off kilter, and we're gonna kind of go off with little tangents
and little directions, and once you kind of get used to that. The
movies of the Light plus, I like the idea of a deeply religious studio
fixer. Yeah, I really, yeah, that's what a great character and
a real guy based on a real guy. He was there was a studio
fixer. He was involved in the Superman suicide. Oh my yeah, I
think that that that if I go if I'm if I could be mistaken,
but I think that movie with Ben Affleck replaced George Rees. Yes, great
picture, Hollywoodland, really good movie. I think he was George Rees was
banging the wife of the fix or something like that. Like I know that
the the fifer that that Manx character was bab or whate't that guys name was
Babe had something or do with the George up up and away man. On
that note, we're gonna we're gonna end this session of superhero schoolyard Ball.
Next time we're gonna have to start taking on the actual heroes and George Reeds.
That is going to be something Stasis