WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:01:00.759 Weary way. Welcome back midnight viewers to anthologies, attack and follow them alone 2 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.159 and with me as always as Antonio Lapour. Tonight, we're devolving from the 3 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.920 usual format to give you the first in what appears to be an ongoing series 4 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:14.959 of superhero school yard brawls. But rather than pit characters against each other, 5 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.280 who would win in a fight Batman or Superman, it's Superman here, we're 6 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.439 pitting characters against themselves, using their cinematic or television incarnations to accomplish just that. 7 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.879 We're starting with the DC villains. Enjoy. We're gonna start really hard. 8 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:33.879 Actually, we're gonna start with Lex Luthor. Okay, so I'll just 9 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:38.840 do versus versus versus whoever wins moves on in the bracket, all right ready, 10 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.680 Gene Hackman versus Kevin Spacey. Oh, Gene Hackman would just murder Kevin 11 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:49.159 Spacey. Gene Hackman is just so diabolical that Lex Luthor. He's so lacking 12 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.920 any morals. And the thing is the difference is that Lex Luthor is very 13 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:59.359 charming. Kevin Spacey is not charming at all, as Lex Luthor's Kevin Spacey's 14 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.560 Lex Luther just a mean spirited little prick and has no charisma, has no 15 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.759 charm whatsoever. He's just bald. You sense the violence in the Gene Hackman, 16 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:16.560 Oh absolutely, there's just an underlying just psycho psychopath. I'm in there, 17 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:22.719 like literally, he's gonna murder everybody in New Jersey just to prove a 18 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:27.039 point. It's just that to distract Superman. There's nothing there. He just 19 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:32.120 throws the Kryptonite on him, just kick like. It's unexpected violence from Gene 20 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:38.280 Hackman. You expect Kevin Spacey be violent, to hit you with a crowbar. 21 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.080 Yeah, but okay, Gene Hackman, you don't expect it from And 22 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.639 when she goes when ms Testmukers, he's like les, my mother lives in 23 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.360 Hackensack, and he just looks at his watch and looks up to her and 24 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:55.039 shakes his head. No, that is some poor Yeah, yeah, that's 25 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:01.199 fucked up, all right. Gene Hackman Versus Jesse Eisenberg. Really, you're 26 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:06.080 gonna actually have to be entertain this, Okay, never mind. Jesse Eisenberg 27 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.479 has the resources though, he's got the money in the power already. But 28 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:15.599 again he's Jesse Eisenberg. He's a little punk. I feel like Gene Hackman 29 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.599 would definitely, but if you know what, if you bring up John Cryer 30 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.840 just about do yeah, I think John Cryer might pull that one out of 31 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.759 it. But I think John Cryer is the best Lex Luthor. He's my 32 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:34.319 favorite at least why because I feel like he is the son of the gene 33 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.960 Hackman Lex Luthor al mostly not cannot canonically or anything like that, but I 34 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:45.759 feel like he's in that spirit is as term as far as the ruthlessness, 35 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:50.080 Yeah, the ruthlessness and sense of humor and arrogance, all kind and charm. 36 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:54.439 I feel like that John Cryer Lex Luthor is as charming as the and 37 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:59.199 John Caryer played Lenny Luther and Superman four. That's right, okay, John 38 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:06.439 Cryer versus John Shay from Lewis in Front. You know, he's the forgotten 39 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:11.360 Lex Luthor and he was really good. He had hair and then he lost 40 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:16.759 it all. But his performance was very good, ruthless and very ruthless, 41 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.240 and what a great delivery by John Shaye. But still John Cryer, John 42 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:26.639 beats John Shay. Should we get voice actors as well? Should you throw 43 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.600 a couple of them in here? If if you put Clancy Brown and then 44 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.800 Clancy Brown just automatically wins. Okay, we're gonna keep voice actors out of 45 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.399 it, because that's the one I'm going to all right, John Fryer versus 46 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:42.759 Oh my Rosenbaum, Michael Rosenban. I'm gonna throw my two cents in here. 47 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:47.920 Rosenbaum all the way. Rosenbaum is the wasted Lex Luthor because man, 48 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.480 small though I did not like, but man, he's good on that show. 49 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.600 Fucking great show. He's fucking he is my favorite les Yeah, he's 50 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:01.959 pretty goodt. Look, I think Nicol Holt is a fine choice for Superman. 51 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.360 Yeah, but we already had a winner. I do think that Nicholas 52 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:12.959 Holt it is going to be pretty close to Michael Rosenbaum, because I feel 53 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.240 like Nicholas Holt is Michael Rosenbums Nicolas Hall grew up on. Yeah, I 54 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.720 was just gonna say, yeah, probably that's his lex let. Yeah, 55 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:24.160 that's his lex let. But that might force him to go completely the other 56 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.519 direction. We've already seen the other direction. Guns. Lex Luthor is Gene 57 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.319 Hackman. So what I always love about Gene Hackman is that Gene Hackman at 58 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.680 his heart was like a swindler. He was just he was there, I 59 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:43.120 say Trumpion. In his nature, he's just a real estate hustler and a 60 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.040 huckster. He just happens to be brilliant, but he's such an arrogant prick 61 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.240 that that gets in his way every single time. Can I say that? 62 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.160 When I like about the Hackman people have problem with this. But what I 63 00:05:55.199 --> 00:06:00.240 like about the Hackman character I like to it's on the back foot, that 64 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.000 he's a criminal and he's underground and can't show his face. I'm perfectly at 65 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:08.600 ease with a billionaire Lex Luthor. I'm also in love with President Luthor. 66 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.879 But that version of the character intrigued me. But he's the gene Hackman. 67 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.279 Luther is the Luther that Tom Mankowitz and Rick Dick Danner grew up reading. 68 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:24.439 They grew up with fat guy scientist Lex Luthor who was always trying to have 69 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.600 a scheme and like he was a criminal and he was just always underground doing 70 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.879 his thing. That that Lex Luthor, that Lex Luthor lost his hair in 71 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.519 a science lab experience when he was a little yeah, the super Bowl, 72 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.199 you know, and that Lex Luthor eventually got slimmed down and he started wearing 73 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.720 the purple and green and the power suit. But it's that's that Lex Luthor, 74 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.079 that Gene Hackman. Lex Luthor's in that spirit. I think had that 75 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:54.360 had a Marvel budget or whatever, had the tech been there, then that 76 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.560 Gene Hackman would have gotten a crazy costume flown around and the stuff. Now 77 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.160 we got Rosenbaum for the wind here, But had rosenb I'm coming before John 78 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.000 Pryor to face Gene Hackman, would we still be talking about Rosenbaum as the 79 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:09.959 winner. No, because I feel like the Lex Luthor would. Ultimately, 80 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.560 it's tough the experience man, He's just middle aged. The middle age Lex 81 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.519 Luthor has been doing that his whole life versus a thirty year old Lex Luthor 82 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:26.000 that Rosenbud almost playing just experience with trumpet. Here's what I'll say in favor 83 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:32.120 of Rosenbaum. His Lex Luthor was genuinely crazy. He had actual psychotic breaks 84 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.639 on the show. Yeah, I think that Lex Luthor. I think he 85 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:42.319 would actually take Hackman because his Lex Corp. What he was building with secret 86 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:49.079 levels and fucking harnessing super villains already. I don't think Hackman's Luther could even 87 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:54.720 fathom that idea. Lex Luthor Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor exists because there are no 88 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:58.879 supervillains. Yeah, I guess you're right, although he did steal a nuclear 89 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.279 missile from a No, that's what I'm saying. He worked great. There 90 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.240 are no supervillains to deal with. One super villains are uns Luthor a small 91 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.639 potato? Yeah, no, no kidding, And I can't imagine that Lex 92 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:15.000 Luthor having to deal with Caesar Romero the Joker, which is murderer. Rosenbaumb 93 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:20.399 on the other hand, totally Yeah, it's true. Rose, although although 94 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.480 golly, wouldn't you have liked to have seen Jack Nicholson and Gene Hackman Michael 95 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:31.360 K Chriss Avengers Yeah? Oh yeah, oh god that they don't have anybody 96 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.159 else with that justice yea, no, you're fine, But still just seeing 97 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:41.039 those two giants faced each other. There we go, where we go? 98 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.039 All right? Keeping it in the DC universe, We're talking to Riddler, 99 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:56.960 all right, Jim Carrey versus John Aston. Jim Carrey wins that one. 100 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.559 I love John Aston, but John Aston is not the Riddler. John Aston 101 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.720 is wiry. Yeah he's wiry, but I just you think his version of 102 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:18.080 Riddler is less likely In Battle of Wits with the Jim Carrey's Edler Dingma John 103 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.399 Aston. Yeah, I still I gotta give Jim Carrey's Riddler the credit of 104 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.320 build, of managing to build a giant blender on an island off of Gotham 105 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.480 City and sucking everybody's brains. That's a pretty high level scheme. That's true. 106 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.240 In that case, let's throw him immediately again. And he figured out 107 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.840 that, Bruce Wayne, that's pretty hard. Riddler always does as possible. 108 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.240 Yeah, I think every iteration of eventually then it's gotta be carry versus portion. 109 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.799 I think Corson will take him. Orson is the Riddler, Yes, 110 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.240 like just you're gonna be. You're gonna throw all these other Riddlers at me, 111 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.799 and I'm always gonna say, Frank Gorshen, there's only one other one 112 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:03.320 that satching Paul Dano. Yeah he's yeah, Paul Daniel. He's pretty meticulous 113 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:09.399 that Yeah, he's very meticulous. He's very interesting. He's not the Riddler. 114 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.200 You need the jumpsuit. Yeah, he's not gonna put on that jumpsuit. 115 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.600 If Frank Gorshon's gonna bust through a window wearing that jumpsuit and cackling and 116 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.240 just being the baddest villain this side of the Joker, like that Riddler was 117 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.000 dangerous. I always thought, oh, I agree, Frank Gorson. Yeah, 118 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.440 Frank Gorshen, I always I mean back in the nineties and they're making 119 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.039 Batman forever. I always in favored. Just kiss Frank Gorshon, who cares 120 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:39.320 he could have still played it? I would like to have Yeah, okay, 121 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:46.720 Carmine Falcom, John Polito versus John Tetua, John Toto, John Turo. 122 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:52.519 I agree, John Teturo versus Tom Wilkinson. You know this one is 123 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.200 hard because his Tom Wilkinson was pretty good. Tom wilk was really good. 124 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.120 Yeah. I almost believed he was Italian. I almost believed it was the 125 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:11.279 Italian. And the monologue that he gives Bruce Wayne is just spectacular. Man, 126 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.279 that that monologue. He's this, look at you, Bruce Wayne, 127 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.399 Prince a Gotham. But you know, if I shoot you, right, 128 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.679 that's great. But John to Toro John, because he's junka Toro. There's 129 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.519 no question. Yeah, are you kidding me that John Taturo will take a 130 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.360 baseball bat and kill you to death and not break a slat. I heard 131 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.120 they cast John and ask what oh welcome. Oh, okay, great, 132 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.679 Yeah, I believed it. I believe it that he's the Catwoman's father. 133 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:41.480 I love that angle. By the way, Catwoman is also is Italian and 134 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.960 her mother is Cuban. Was is I the Cuban? I discovered that. 135 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.519 I was pretty proud of that. I'm like, that's right, okay, 136 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:58.039 General Zod start easy. Sam Whitler on small will oh yeah, yeah, 137 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:03.879 I remember I you'd see that Sam Whitwer. But also and the same show, 138 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.440 Zohn was played by Michael Rosenbaum versus Odd. Oh well, did he 139 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.120 have Odd's brain or something in him? Yeah? No, it's kind of 140 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.000 an even messs just versus Yeah, so we'll give it to Rosenba. Is 141 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.840 it the same z Odds the same Sod on a different buye? Okay, 142 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:30.000 then let's say, uh, Smallville's different versus Michael Shannon. Oh, Michael 143 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.200 Shannon. He's a great actor, man. Yeah. He had that cool 144 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.320 little beard, a little cool little Caesar beard and haircut going on. Man, 145 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.759 he was ready for bongos and fucking poetry. Yeah, he was. 146 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.039 I and he's like my age, but he looks ten years older than me. 147 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.320 He has as a real authority to him. But he would completely destroy 148 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.480 which thanks the question because the others are the only others. Odd. Yeah, 149 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:58.519 really is his name is step your n Terrence Stamp, Terrence Stamp, 150 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:05.120 the Great Terrence sta Parent Stamp versus Michael Shannon tough one physically, Michael Shannon. 151 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.120 I Michael Shannon Zod was an animal, But come on, dude, 152 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:13.919 is he gonna outwit that guy? That guy I don't know. That guy 153 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.799 was pretty stupid. In the end, he got outwitted by just the old 154 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:22.759 He got taken by down by the old switcher route. But yeah, we 155 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.360 weren't privy to Terrence Stamps Tenod's revolution. But unless you watch that deleted scene, 156 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.600 in which case his only active rebellion was to go into one room, 157 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.120 break a crystal and get caught in the Phantom town before getting tricked by this 158 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.639 the I think Michael Shannon wins too, but Darren Stamp has the best lines. 159 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.200 Come on when the guys like, but there is somebody who can stand 160 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.480 up to you? Who is he? Who is this? Show him to 161 00:13:52.600 --> 00:14:03.840 me? And he gets like, oh god up, And there's only been 162 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:09.120 one captain cold really on the TV show on in the Arrow verse. He 163 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:16.039 was spectacular Wentworth Miller, Wentworth Miller as Captain Cold was one of the finest 164 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:22.279 supervillain performances ever. Man. He had so much personality, so much gravitza, 165 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:28.600 so much fun fun, and his line delivery was just spectacular. Man. 166 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.159 I love him that. Those first three or four seasons of the Flash 167 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.039 are great. Then it just goes off the rails. But like when it's 168 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.399 just getting started, and especially that second season when it was just Supervillain after 169 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.360 Supervillain as the supervillain, it was really neat. We got to Freeze based 170 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:52.600 villains in the DC universe with Victor Freeze and Captain Cold. Yeah, I've 171 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.080 always preferred Captain Cold. Captain Cold has a rogues Gallery that that's his group, 172 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.399 the Rogues Gallery, and he has an actual moral code. Yeah, 173 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.080 he can't kill anybody and hang with Cool I I and he's, you know 174 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.960 what, even better than everything. He's got those fucking glasses, those fucking 175 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.879 white shades with the little slits for eyes. Oh my god. I love 176 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:24.159 mister Freeze. When he's done well, like on the animated show, he's 177 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.759 spectacular. And there's five minutes and Batman and Robin that are pretty good. 178 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.399 I feel like he's just a common criminal that found some great tech and he's 179 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.720 like, dude, I'm gonna be a fucking super villain. And then all 180 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.879 of a sudden he becomes as cool as his name, you know what I 181 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.960 mean? And what I liked about Wentenwore's Miller performances. That definitely was a 182 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.919 guy who was putting on airs like he definitely was playing the you know, 183 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.279 Leonard Start was definitely playing the part when he walked around and he talked like 184 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.360 this and like he was trying to be cool, and it was so solid, 185 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.000 and I'm like, I think James Gunn should just dig him up and 186 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:02.039 just bring him in one thousand. That's the best thing to come out in 187 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.919 versus finding him and finding that fucking role for him. Yeah, because yeah 188 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.480 it's And reviews people don't like his performance, don't it's too managed or whatever. 189 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.759 I'm like, no, that's what makes it so cool. Yeah, 190 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.440 it's exactly what it should be, because that's a guy that you can drop 191 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.720 in a room with the likes of Lex Luthor and he's gonna put that on 192 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.039 and you're gonna believe it. I feel like that he got Boba fetted too 193 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.879 early and he got storm shadowed too early in the run of the show. 194 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:33.919 Yeah, he got turned he was so popular as a bad guy, he 195 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.480 got turned into a good guy. That's how I mean when he gets storm 196 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.600 shadowed, basically because the storm shadow was a very popular g I Joe villain 197 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.600 and he got turned into one of the jos Boba Fett eventually is now more 198 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.840 or less a good guy now in the Mando verse. Yeah, a good 199 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.320 gun crime boss. He's just the head of the Salvation. No no, 200 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.279 you know how like in modern crime shows, you have all these like ethnic 201 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:03.159 gangs, and the worst gang is usually the Russians, and the nicest gang 202 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.799 is usually like the Bloods of the Crips. It'd runs the Bloods of the 203 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.920 Crips in the movie universe. Basically, he's like the crook, but he's 204 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:18.279 just not like the level of the hats who are Yes. But I feel 205 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:22.359 like they could have done a couple more seasons of Captain Cold being a bad 206 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:27.359 Captain Cold and heat Wave being bad guys. And that's my favorite performance by 207 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:33.480 Dominic what's his name, the guy who plays heat Wave? Yeah, I 208 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.799 like I remember he plays He's God bless him. He's terrible as Dracula in 209 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:45.480 that Blade movie. Was that no neck and just like pro Dracula Chadula and 210 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.640 then but he as heat waved man. He's great. I agree with you. 211 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.880 They were in that Prison Break show together, Yeah they had that. 212 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.759 I never watched that show, but that told me that they were good in 213 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.680 that. Yeah, yeah, great, I assume they were. But yeah, 214 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.359 a Captain call the every Day Week. Alan has played every character by 215 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:11.079 a voice. He sure has. Alan two Dix. He's classically trained. 216 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.839 You went to Juilliard. He's been around forever too. When we get to 217 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:21.880 The Batman's Adam West wins The Batman, he trumps everybody. There's no one 218 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.200 can bring himself to him, so I can't hit this guy. Then he 219 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:33.599 spulled something out of the utility of shark repellent. They wrote that into a 220 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:38.440 recent issue. Yeah, I saw it in something he wrote. He like, 221 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:45.039 Batman is chasing a character called the Red Mask, who's a variant, 222 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.839 a multiversal variant of the Joker, but who never became the Joker. So 223 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:56.000 he just hops around the multiverse making jokers. Somebody somebody did some d MT 224 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.559 before they wrote that issue. But anyways, Batman has to follow him regular 225 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.160 real Batman from the comic book universe, follows him through the multi verse and 226 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.200 ends up meeting Adam West, and Adam West is like, hey, here, 227 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.079 take my utility belt because Batman's lost his gear, and take my utility 228 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.079 belt, and Batman's great. And then at some point he's fighting a shark 229 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.480 in the thing and he's like, well, I finally met a variant more 230 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:25.279 prepared than me. Yeah, sometimes you can't get rid of a bomb. 231 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:27.720 But you know, if Batman knows he goes out into the ocean a lot, 232 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.279 he's gonna have shark repelling. That's true. He's gonna bat boat for 233 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:37.720 Christis, Yeah, for fucking favorite toy is growing up plastic version of the 234 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.319 bat boat from the Adams Yeah Fin on the Bend. Yeah, absolutely, 235 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.079 And it wasn't made for the pool, but you could bring was it the 236 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.319 Mego one or was it the or was it it was a fragile plastic hmm? 237 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.640 Because eventually the Finn broke off. Oh yeah, and that was quite 238 00:19:53.720 --> 00:20:02.599 sad. King Pin John Reese Davies versus is Michael Clark Duncan. Oh. 239 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:08.039 John Reeve Davies versus Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin. Holy John Rees Davies 240 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.680 is more of a techno kingpin. He had a little motorized chair and he 241 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:17.519 was constantly checking video screens. Yeah, and I remember him biting on his 242 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.279 microphone while he was getting excited. A daredevil was getting his butt kicked. 243 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:27.400 No, he was a terrible, terrible David Michael Clark Duncan would take him 244 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.920 like he had a beard, he had a full head of hair. I 245 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.920 think he could have claimed the Kingpin had, you know, like someone more 246 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.160 skilled had had I directed that, you know, or you know, had 247 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:47.079 someone given a crap about what was going on. In that NBT movie of 248 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.440 the Week that I watched when I was thirteen, I think it was an 249 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:55.640 incredible Hulk, wasn't it right? It was incredible hul Right, Yeah. 250 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.519 It was one of the Trial of the Incredible Hulk where Matt Murdoch is defending 251 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.640 Banner. What was his name? And it wasn't Bruce. It was David 252 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.920 Banner. David Banner, right, because Bruce was gay, you know why 253 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.759 they called yeah, David was Bruce was too gay. And I'm just like, 254 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.240 because of Bruce late Bruce Waite, I don't understand where that Bruce is 255 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.680 gay Bruce Bruce, I guess is what was on people the producer's minds at 256 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.599 that moment in the seventies. But this was in the eighties, so it 257 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:27.880 like had the only joke I don't know, Bruce was in charge of the 258 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:34.400 sheep. The only Bruce sort of reference I had ever known was Monty Python 259 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:40.960 and the Holy Grit. The Australians were all named Bruce. Yeah, Bruce, 260 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.920 the Bruce on Bruce and a George of the Tea like what, Yeah, 261 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.400 I'd never thought that was weird, but I remember that and had you 262 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.400 have that black Dareduble costumes. Well they kind of replicated that when they when 263 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.200 they did the Marvel series as well for the first season, but yeah, 264 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.279 that whole first season he just had that Ninjas moved gone. Yeah, it 265 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.960 looked like that was a little more like that that Romita and Frank Miller proto 266 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:08.720 Daredevil and that that Daredale ear one or whatever that they did. But Okay, 267 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.599 obviously Michael Clark Documentari Michael Clark, So I'm gonna go back to Michael 268 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:17.000 Clark Duncan. He was the he was really good of that pic. That 269 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.400 movie is not very good there's a good movie in there somewhere, But whoever 270 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:30.079 cut that picture was was probably a studio execu really messy. It's not all 271 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:34.519 of these like really dated music drops in it. Oh my god, m 272 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:40.599 Nsnce Walt. Also, I was listening to a podcast yesterday and they were 273 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.400 talking about music drops. I think it was unspooled, and they were talking 274 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.160 about you know, JJ Abrams star Trek, how it has you know, 275 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.400 the Beastie Boys in it, and the fact that you know you're putting in 276 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.839 pop music that's like ten twenty years old in your future movie gives it this 277 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.240 sense that it's already a classic almost right, the more timeless, but like 278 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.119 putting like the current pop pin in it nowadays really to dates the hell out 279 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.880 of it. It was like any any movie from the nineties, as a 280 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.920 Will Smith song in it is just awful. Well, if you're if you're 281 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.720 using a music supervisor who is known for their current thing, then you're you're 282 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.160 going to go wrong. I think, Yeah, I think a movie like 283 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.799 I think the music supervisor over at Marvel now is pretty is pretty clever with 284 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.359 the one that they've used for the past, you know, decade or so 285 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.680 that that keeps everything you know, in a sort of classic down. I 286 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.680 mean, you know, it's like everything's gonna on timeless field to it. 287 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.039 As far as the music coast, their music selections are always you know, 288 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:41.599 and Jaane Gunns with all music supervisor, he finds out you know, he's 289 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.559 doing this, is and this. Ultimately that's what I find It's it's when 290 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.960 the filmmaker is curating the soundtrack that that's when you get a soundtrack that will 291 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.400 not sound dated ten twenty years on. Oh yeah, absolutely, I agree. 292 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:57.599 I mean, Quentin Tarantino built his whole career tod. I liked Marco 293 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.920 Michael Clark Duncan's King Payton, but like you said, the movie is a 294 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.960 mess. There are way too many characters, there are way too many plot 295 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:10.519 lines going on. It's just overstuffed and you can't focus on anything. And 296 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.799 that's unfortunate. Because I liked his Kingpin, I didn't. I think we 297 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:19.279 didn't get to see enough of him. Nevertheless, if you delivery is great, 298 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.880 oh yeah, he does. He doesn't, and he's not very fat, 299 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.680 he's just fuff. It's just well, I would like to even meet 300 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:32.440 some rim Michael Clark Duncan's a talent we lost way too early. I always 301 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.359 really like every time I saw him on somebody, they put a smile on 302 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.200 my face. Here's the giant dude who should have been a good actor by 303 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.960 by the stretches of you know, traditional idea, you know what I mean, 304 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.079 that people would think and he would great man. He had so much 305 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:52.000 screen presence. His delivery was always really like on point and like his delivery 306 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.920 and Kingpin is right on. He's a busy actor. Kingpin. I buy 307 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.480 him one hundred percent as a Kingpin. The way he speaks and all that 308 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:03.720 stuff and fighting when when when he goes up against Daredevil at the end of 309 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.599 the film, like I fully expected him to take Daredevil apart. Absolutely that 310 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.200 dared Devil's weird though with that. But I guess there's a good movie in 311 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.799 there because all the ideas of him sleeping in the in the what is it 312 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.640 in the in the in the in the isolation tank and him like with all 313 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.720 the painkillers and being all beat up. That's that's tough. Yeah, the 314 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.519 no, there's a there's a lot to recommend that film. But and Colin 315 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:32.920 Farrell looks stupid, but you know, oh, Bree, that movie comes 316 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.000 to life when he shows up. Colin Farrell is a great actor. I 317 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.680 think he I don't know. I mean, you know, he's not that 318 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.559 underrated, but I think people tend to forget how good he is for guys 319 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.279 you know, in my in my age group, I like, I always 320 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.720 really really enjoy whenever he's on scoring except for Alexander, but that's a whole 321 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.480 other thing. Yeah, that's not his fault. Everyone was just excited to 322 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.480 go work for Oliver Stone, doing a bit like a sand and sore sandal 323 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.000 and sword at that, not realizing that that that Oliver Stone had lost his 324 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:06.480 mind by that. Oh God, now, Michael Clarke Duncan, let's put 325 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.359 him in a room with Vincent and Afria. What's going to happen? Look 326 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.119 into an Aufria is just going to kill a a three second. God, 327 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.680 bless God, blessed Michael Clarke Duncan and all his ability and his talent and 328 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.720 his wait in his charm. But Vincent Inoffia literally is Wilson Fitz. He's 329 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.440 if that whole multiverse theory is to be believed, He's just a barrier the 330 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:27.400 Wilson faith who ended up becoming an actor instead of a prime boss, because 331 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.359 that is the best casting. Maybe you know, it's on par with Chris 332 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:40.920 Reeve and and and Robert Downey Junior. As far as this is the comic 333 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:48.720 book character here he is there's nothing. There's no interpretation here. There's nothing 334 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.039 wrong with him as the Kingdim There's nothing. Yeah, but no, he's 335 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.559 huge, he's fat, bop, he's Shakespearean, he's a street dog. 336 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.160 He does it all at once. Isn't an Afrio pounder forul pound one of 337 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:07.359 our fighter factors, if not the finest. He astonishes me every time he's 338 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.440 on screen. His Wilson Fisk. You're right, it's it's so much better 339 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.799 than we deserved because we get to see the depths of that man's soul. 340 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.559 I'm on the Kingpin's side on that set. I know he tickle, and 341 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.680 I should not be. He is a despicable human being, fortheless, but 342 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.599 he's so much fun to watch. He's so much fun to watch, and 343 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.079 he's as good as you know. And our good kind of book going is 344 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.640 that you gotta have a good time watching the villain because they're supposed to be 345 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.119 the most despicable people on earth. And you know, a good movie villain. 346 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.119 He's got to be fun to watch. Fader is fun to watch. 347 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.839 He's evil, but man, that Snoop's washing her out with that cape and 348 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:55.400 that sword. It's great. Yeah, Kingpin should be no different, and 349 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.559 every time he's on screen it's it's just incredible. I really Yeah, He's 350 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.240 one of my favorite things about the whole MCU is. I hope he get 351 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.960 more of him, and I hope he goes up against Spider Man. I 352 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.839 want to him, you know. Yeah, I want some street level people 353 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.880 in the MCU now, I mean, I love the Daredel. That's the 354 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.720 one I liked about the team because the Punishers. The casting is good, 355 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.759 but the show wasn't very good. The Defenders was okay, Luke Cage. 356 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:26.200 I really like Jessica Jones the first season was pretty good, and and I 357 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.640 and Trist was awful. But Darnel, who was consistently good all the way 358 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:37.000 through speak yeah. Speaking of Bullsye, Okay, Bullseye on the in the 359 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:45.160 MCU and the TV universe. That was Wilson Bethel as Bullseye up against Colin 360 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:52.039 Farrell because the other guy's have barely been Bullseye point. Yeah, he's pretty 361 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:53.680 good with the baseball, I've noticed, and he can make some trick shots, 362 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.799 but he's not gonna He's not gonna plunk a peanut into some guy's throat 363 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.119 who's bothering him because snoring too much, and murder him that way. He's 364 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.680 not going to take a paper clip and and turn that into a missile. 365 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.640 When he pulled off his cap and he had the bulls Eye in it, 366 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:15.000 and not even that that was great, but the the big street fight where 367 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:22.720 he throws Daredevil's baton and it ends up killing his dad, there's a Colin 368 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.759 Farrell points at the at the wounded man, points to his forehead, points 369 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:32.880 to himself bulls eye. Oh. And at that moment I went, oh 370 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.640 my god, this movie's going to be great, not realizing the cacaphony that 371 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.960 would come afterwards. But yeah, felt that he understood that movie more than 372 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.400 the filmmaker understood that. Yeah, he did. He gets it. He 373 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.759 and you know, I'm I. I really liked him as the penguin. 374 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.119 You know he was doing he was doing a something heavily inspired by by a 375 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:59.480 Nero as Capold and the Untouchables. But that's okay because when I was twelve 376 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.960 I was watching The Untouchables and going and that's the win. So you know, 377 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.519 I'm really looking forward to that TV show. I'm like, I will 378 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.160 spend I will spend in a very in that goth look. Well, I 379 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.839 love that Gotham. I loved The Batman a little long, but for the 380 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.319 most part, I really really, really, really like I think Matt Reid 381 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.359 understands Gotham City and he gets those characters. And even though he's doing a 382 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:27.920 grown up r raidary version of it, like where everybody's really serious, it's 383 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.079 still very good. And I correct yesterday that Pattinson might go up. I 384 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.079 don't pay much show, so let's go to be neat. I don't. 385 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.119 They can have no other Batman characters show up on that show, and I'm 386 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.920 going to be riveted to it. I love Matt Reid's take on that character. 387 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.480 I love his take on Gotham, I love his take on the Batman 388 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.279 in general. That is honestly, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie because 389 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.720 I just love how gothic comic book is. But if there's one film that 390 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.920 I would point to and go, yeah, that's Batman, it would be 391 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.759 The Batman. Yeah. Absolutely, and I'm not you know why that cinem 392 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.680 photography is gorgeous. It's just a beautiful movie, man. It is just 393 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:11.720 a really pretty, pretty pretty Gothic city and and and more colorful than the 394 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.039 trailer lets you believe, because the trailer just thinks that just tells you, 395 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.720 oh, we shot this whole movie with the red Jolter. He really because 396 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.839 there's a lot of it that's you know, blue, and there's a lot 397 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.559 of it that's green, or there's it's more colorful than the than than the 398 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:30.839 promotional let you on. But it's all orange like Batman begins is. And 399 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:37.319 it pays to it pays to take a new look at Gotham. I understand 400 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.440 that a lot of the Gothams of the Gotham city scenes were filmed in Scotland 401 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:48.039 this time. Yeah, well Scotland has naturally Gothic architecture perfect. Yeah yeah 402 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:53.759 that that that you think Glasgo Gotham is pretty interesting is a smart thing to 403 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:59.359 do. You know. I liked the one aspect of the Nolan films that 404 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.960 I liked is that they went to Chicago and did it and it immediately made 405 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.680 it not look like New York, which is what we're Cotton used to for 406 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.880 Batman. What it's I knew it was the cogo immediately, Liba exactly. 407 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:13.559 That was the thing. He didn't change it. He didn't change it enough. 408 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.200 Now, the first one tried to make it a little more you know, 409 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.920 comic bookie with you know, the crazy train thing going around and stuff. 410 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.160 But yeah, but what happened to the monoail and all the rest of 411 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.160 the movie. Yeah, no, no, they didn't make it to the 412 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.799 second one. But the second one just looks like, well, I remember 413 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.400 that Steve from The Untouchables, that street, I remember that sheet Street from 414 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.960 Fars Butler. So it's just a little too Chicago. I liked the idea 415 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:45.319 of making Gotham holding the Chicago place in the DC universe, being the second 416 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.799 city. Okay, I get that, it's you know, not not Metropolis 417 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.400 but Golfham cities, but east I think seventy before Goltham City villas on the 418 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.240 eastern Oh yeah, no, it needs an ocean Matt Matt Reeds one nearly 419 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:04.440 east of board. I really like that be the Gothham Square thing that like, 420 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.599 that central part of the city is just gorgeous. Man, I really 421 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.680 liked that. I can't remember this, it's a cinematographer's name, but I 422 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.039 know Deacons was talking about had him on the pod on his podcast and it 423 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.039 was a really good one, and they they talk about how they shot a 424 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:24.200 lot of the Batman on the volume, but really because the usually tell right 425 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.400 away it's on a volume, you know, even the Mandalorian, which is 426 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.440 fantastic and has the best effects ever on TV, you can get all they're 427 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:37.480 on the volume every time. I think they were using it mainly for the 428 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.680 driving when they're in the car, like moving around. It's very you know, 429 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:44.359 it's almost sleight of hand, and you can't just go look at the 430 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.720 glory of it. You have to get around and all that stuff still in 431 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.440 the world. When him and Catwoman were on on top of the building, 432 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.079 you know, and and that beat up in that that that building, that's 433 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.599 all a volume shot. Man. Oh the whole thing is that that would 434 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.799 have taken two months. They shot it in a day because they didn't have 435 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.240 to flight the light. I did not realize that. Okay, see even 436 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:12.639 better, the movie gets better. Matt reeves he's certainly favorite guy working right 437 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.039 now. Yeah, he is, because I love just plane out of the 438 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.639 eighth movies. I really enjoyed him that that that first one that he did, 439 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.480 the second Planet of the Eighth movie, is I guess his first one 440 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.119 or whatever. There was that one ship that like didn't have all the hair 441 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:32.639 on his face. Coda, huh coda. Yeah, what's the most amazing 442 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.719 looking d G character. I think Matt Reeves is a real good hand along 443 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.239 working on an effect movie and like doing the invisible effect. Yeah, it's 444 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.039 an effects movie, but we're not It's it's an effecting movie, but I'm 445 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.880 not focusing on the effect. I'm not here to show off the shots. 446 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.400 If I want, I want you to just kind of like be in my 447 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.280 world. It really did. I like him. I agree with you. 448 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.559 Yeah, he seems to be one of the few filmmakers who adopted the idea 449 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.360 that these are tools. Yeah, and he's got a great mustache he does 450 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.000 actually. Yeah, you know, he's one of those guys that I have 451 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.760 a list of, you know, five or six guys and gals I'd love 452 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.039 to make produce my next movie. He's really high on them. You know, 453 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.079 he would he would ste in the right direction. I'm speaking of the 454 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.760 right direction. Going back now to the mcu. We're stepping above the street 455 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.159 level here. Now, this is an either or situation. Most mcu characters 456 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.000 have only been played once, if not twice. Yeah, So so we 457 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.239 have to kind of pit them against one another. Here we're gonna talk. 458 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:43.880 We're gonna take Scott Pollen versus Hugo Weaving as the Red Spot got Paul and 459 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.280 everybody shows up and he's Captain America shows up with his rubbery years. He 460 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.599 got well the fulk and I'm just like, is either He's Italian? Yeah? 461 00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:00.800 Palland was the red Skull In Albert Payun's nineteen nineteen ninety The New World 462 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:07.880 Pictures Captain America, starring Matt Dallinger The Suck? Was it his grandson? 463 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:13.360 Was he the direct son? I thought he was his grandson? Oh? 464 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.679 Was his grand Maybe? Does it really matter? It doesn't And I don't 465 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.079 care to look him up. Yeah. The only the only thing you know 466 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.800 about the actor is that he's related to the most famous reclusive writer ever. 467 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.000 Okay, great, good for him. Here's the best part of that movie. 468 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.559 In eighteen eighty nine, I was standing in the Showcase Cinemas in Revere, 469 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.360 Massachusetts, and I turned around and there was a poster with Captain America's 470 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.159 shield on it and it said summer, and I went, Holy god, 471 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.800 they made a fucking Captain America movie. And that level of excitement and enjoyment 472 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.280 was the sum total of my appreciation of what we eventually got. Yeah, 473 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.960 do you remember comic scene, Oh my god, and they had that that 474 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.679 co mixed the film thing in the back that was the first basically the birth 475 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.360 of the Internet was that section right there. And I remember reading that thing, 476 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.199 always keeping a look, and like I remember every year the Captain America 477 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.440 was always on that list and her being you know, nine, ten, 478 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:15.440 twelve whatever in Captain America rumored as the Red Skull Marlon Brenton, Now that 479 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.000 would have been something, Well, Captain of America, come on the way 480 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.840 to you, Mothly Germany. Yeah, you wouldn't have been Italian in that 481 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.800 version. I can tell you. Why don't they make him a town. 482 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.079 I understand that they filmed the movie in Italy and that well, axis powers 483 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:36.360 are axis powers, I guess, So I guess this skull answers to al 484 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.519 Duce. But weird, taking everything away from that awful, awful, awful 485 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.360 movie, This scene where Captain America shows up in the Red Skull's base and 486 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.280 he's got a rocket and he dressed up like a Nazi. And that those 487 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.559 three minutes at the very beginning, at the very beginning, they're cool. 488 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.079 The rest of that movie is garbage. That was Albert. You know, 489 00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.760 I was friends of them on Facebook for a few years before he passed. 490 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:06.119 Constantly he was just constantly working that guy, even you know, poor guy 491 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.719 in dementia or something, really care about the end, there was still making 492 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.360 a movie. So you know, God bless him for that, you know. 493 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.960 And it wasn't just the fact that he directed them three hundred said like 494 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.199 that, none of them are great or anything, but man, that's I 495 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.159 liked Cyborg a lot when I was like a kid. There you go. 496 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.440 We can point to them when I like that one by John Claude. Man, 497 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.480 damn, that's always a good day. Yeah, that's Hubo. We 498 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.840 definitely have. Yeah, there's no question you weaving with just decimated a great 499 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.880 fucking actor. He's a great villain actor. I wish he were so precious 500 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.320 about the makeup. I wish they would have figured out a way just to 501 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.960 put the Bobslaer's face and just let him be a CIEG makeup. I don't 502 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.119 know why the didn't just do that. I granted, would one for wear 503 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.599 the makeup just to look like the Red Skull. But you and I both 504 00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.280 worked, you know, have have worked monster jobs where you gotta wear that 505 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.360 stuff. And I remember that Gorratorium when we leased to work the Eli Roff 506 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.559 joined a bunch of years ago. I did that Bernie thing where it was 507 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.320 a full head makeup and it's all glued, and I had a panicetory, 508 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.119 like it's not comfortable to wear that. And I've been acting since I was 509 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:22.079 a nine year old, and sometimes that that makeup is really really uncomfortable, 510 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.840 really really constricting. I read that Jim Carrey went to CIA torture experts so 511 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.639 he can get through the Grinch makeup. I got it, dude, it 512 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.880 well in that case, he was head to toe, he's he was in 513 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.159 case. But I played that role too, so I know just how constricting 514 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:42.000 and claustrophobic Bernie could have been, and prosthetics in general can be. So 515 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519 yeah, I mean, I totally agree with Hugo Weaving. I don't think 516 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.719 at that point, but this is like two thousand and nine, I don't 517 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.400 think at that point they were ready to go full CG face replacement with the 518 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.239 with the main character and the thing when they can do it with makeup. 519 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.280 But then, yeah, they didn't have they didn't have Dark Knight money like 520 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:04.960 they did with two Face. Was the with the CG maker, Oh yeah, 521 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.880 that was that was beautiful, So that was around the same time. 522 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.760 But yeah, and that's only one or two scenes and he's like laying in 523 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.239 bed or you know, they got a locked off camera in another position. 524 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.880 That was just a budget Yeah, and Red skulls in lush it through every 525 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.719 moment of this movie. But man, he's so good and he's frigging an 526 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.239 accents amazing, like how he really went out of his way to make the 527 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:28.559 Red Skull Austrian because he that's an Austrian Arnold Fortuneinger accident if I ever heard 528 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.360 one gifted the guy. I'm just a fan of you. Yeah, he's 529 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.760 so good. I'm annoyed that that that they chilled them off and he won't 530 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.159 come back because he's the best villain they they've had up until Vigiddinofrio. I 531 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.079 think he was my favorite of the of the m CU golins. Here's the 532 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:51.639 thing, I loved Civil War, and I love Baron Zimo as a character, 533 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.920 but that should have been the Red Skull, Oh absolutely, And he 534 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.440 should have won at the end, because Emo wins at the end of that 535 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:04.360 movie, or or the Red Skull should have been Alexander Pierce in in the 536 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.320 Winter Soldier the end, you know, ripped off his head and you go 537 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.280 weaving underneath Robert Redford, or just say Robert Redford is at the Red Skull. 538 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.719 Yeah right, yeah, you know it's been one hundred years, you 539 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.800 know whatever, seventy five years, he's had comic book plastic surgery. So 540 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.039 I think they dropped the ball in the Red Skull, and I think not 541 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:30.039 having him around hurt MC you a little bit as far for mine case as 542 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.880 a comic book fan who grew up with that stuff. I also feel like 543 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.719 I wish I would have seen him be more of a Nazi, but that's 544 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:43.079 because I love I love him. The joke when like a superheroes fighting the 545 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.800 Nazi and the Nazi just something stupid and the superhero goes Master Race, huh, 546 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.159 may have made a Master Race joke. In Highlander. There's a deleted 547 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:59.320 scene where he meets his secretary where she's a little girl in World War two 548 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:04.039 and he's saving her from some Nazi who shoots him full of bullholes, right, 549 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.800 and the guy who barks something at him in German and Christopher Lambert kind 550 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.760 of spits out and whatever you say, Jack, you're at the master race. 551 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.000 Okay, I'm going to applaud you right now. I have never heard 552 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:23.119 a Christopher lamb impression before, and that was fucking bought on. I I 553 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:29.000 met him once when I was maybe nineteen twenty years old, working at the 554 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.519 Warner Brothers studio store. He came in. He bought a five hundred dollars 555 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.119 Bugs Bunny pewter statue, one of those they had the this we had, 556 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.039 there's a pewter A guy who makes pewter thing like clowns are his main thing. 557 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.880 And then he made a bunch of a bit of a Bugs Bunny ones 558 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:47.920 Warner Brothers, We'll thank you for collecting. But he came in, he 559 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:54.039 was very very nice. His credit card say Christian Lambelle, and I go, 560 00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.320 you know, I go, You're my favorite Tarzan and I love oh, 561 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:07.800 I thank you. Whatever that laugh he does. I like to imagine 562 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.280 he has that statue prominently displayed in his home. Oh yeah, right, 563 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.119 like right next to Connor McLeod's sore. He's got I mean, he's Connor 564 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.760 baby, he's got the little you know bugs, buddy. I mean, 565 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.199 did he buy it? Peppy Leaf? You are God man. I wish 566 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.079 I hope he would have bought it. That Billy puke would only be a 567 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.079 prayer, pray. He's a great dude. Man. He always made me 568 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.599 happy when I was a kid. Thinking for some reason or the other, 569 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.199 I always just really liked that guy. There's something about his face. It's 570 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:45.920 effortlessly attractive. Yeah, and that his countenance seems bemused. If you can 571 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.599 kind of if you can come off amused and not smug, then that that's 572 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:57.679 a rare commodity. That's a good that's a pretty good analogy. That's because, 573 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.280 Yeah, that's pretty much what he does. What was the last thing 574 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.039 I saw him in? Was he in? Uh? Oh? He's in 575 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:09.360 that that Owen Brothers. He's in Hail Caeson. He plays that movie director. 576 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.599 Oh, that's right, that's right. I said again. That movie 577 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.280 has been growing on me lately. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a get 578 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.079 better every time you watch a kind of movie because the first time you're watching 579 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.679 them, like this structure gets on my nerve, and then by the end 580 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:29.320 of it you're like, see, it's a lot like it's a lot like 581 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:35.679 a Robert Altman movie. Here's this big community and one guy is gonna kind 582 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.559 of like float around the community a little bit, but everybody's gonna be kind 583 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.199 of really off kilter, and we're gonna kind of go off with little tangents 584 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.000 and little directions, and once you kind of get used to that. The 585 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.400 movies of the Light plus, I like the idea of a deeply religious studio 586 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.519 fixer. Yeah, I really, yeah, that's what a great character and 587 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.119 a real guy based on a real guy. He was there was a studio 588 00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.800 fixer. He was involved in the Superman suicide. Oh my yeah, I 589 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.800 think that that that if I go if I'm if I could be mistaken, 590 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.079 but I think that movie with Ben Affleck replaced George Rees. Yes, great 591 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.400 picture, Hollywoodland, really good movie. I think he was George Rees was 592 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:21.079 banging the wife of the fix or something like that. Like I know that 593 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.960 the the fifer that that Manx character was bab or whate't that guys name was 594 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.519 Babe had something or do with the George up up and away man. On 595 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.000 that note, we're gonna we're gonna end this session of superhero schoolyard Ball. 596 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.199 Next time we're gonna have to start taking on the actual heroes and George Reeds. 597 00:45:43.280 --> 00:46:16.880 That is going to be something Stasis