WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.359 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host and tonight's 2 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.560 show, we have Diane Testament coming up in just a minute. But at 3 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.600 first a few things. We actually had to switch Dave Marler. He was 4 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:45.520 supposed to be on tonight, but he had a work commitment, so we 5 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.280 had to swap him out for next week, so we can look forward to 6 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:53.759 that next week on March third, Dave Marler will be here then. So 7 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.320 I just wanted to say a few things. Over the last week, I've 8 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.679 had a lot of communication with a lot of my porters, and I have 9 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.359 to say I'm a very fortunate man. I want to thank you all for 10 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.799 such kind words and you're continued support. It really means a lot to me 11 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:17.439 and I do appreciate all the listeners and anyone can support the show that doesn't 12 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:21.040 now, you can go over to Patreon. That link is on our website 13 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:25.640 podcast ufo dot com. And while you're over there, we also have a 14 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.640 Facebook page connected to that. There's an icon on the sidebar and this I 15 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.439 think twenty two thousand people on that page. There's a lot going on over 16 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.359 there if you want to check that out. Our latest blog is the second 17 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:42.359 one on the same topic by Charles Lear. It's called the Kelly, Kentucky 18 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:48.319 UFO Goblins Part two. And as I said last week, that case is 19 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:51.079 well, I don't know what word you want to call it, a humdinger 20 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.359 of an unexplained case. All different types of weird things happen. And if 21 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.760 you're new looking into this topic and you never heard of that, go check 22 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.680 out the blogs. The two blogs over there at podcast ufo dot com. 23 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.639 A couple of things in the UFO news several days ago, I got a 24 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:15.520 number of emails from listeners pretty excited about a cone shaped UFO that was filmed 25 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:21.960 by NASA at the International Space Station. You can see that online. I'm 26 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.560 not really sure. I'm not going to say, well, I guess right 27 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:29.879 now it is an identified flying object. But I know that, you know, 28 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:34.080 they launched some cube SATs before and people thought they were you know, 29 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.560 UFOs and all that. You know, what I'm getting at is that it 30 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.919 may be something explainable, and I we just keep an eye on that. 31 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.639 We may find out in the future what that was, or maybe it will 32 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:49.759 continue to be a UFO, And if I find out anything about that, 33 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.080 maybe I'll mention something next week. If new evidence comes along to the answer 34 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.240 for what that is, it may already be answered. But I couldn't find 35 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:04.520 anything myself. So our friends over at the Drive the war Zone the Drive, 36 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.520 Tyler Rogaway has been on the show, but his co author over there 37 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:20.240 has written a great story about the continuation of the Colorado mystery drones, and 38 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.240 we've talked about that a few times. Then the author of this article as 39 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:30.599 Brett Tingley, and he put out a story yesterday that emails obtained through a 40 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:38.159 foyer a Freedom of Information Act show that security forces and officials at Fie Warren 41 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:43.319 Air Force Base were just as perplexed with the drones as the public is. 42 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:50.120 So in conclusion, this may not have been what most people thought the answer 43 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:55.039 for those drones were. They may not be military drones after all, So 44 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.759 check out that story over at the Drive dot Com. Tonight's guest a Diane 45 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:05.719 Testament. In the mid nineteen seventies, Diane was a field investigator with the 46 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:15.719 Aerial Phenomena Research Organization APRIL and Florida State section director for move On. But 47 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:17.800 anyway, I'm going to bring a runch we're gonna be talking about her book 48 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:24.800 called Future Humans and UFOs Time for New Thinking. Diane, welcome to the 49 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:29.800 show. I'm pleased to be here. And you are in We were talking 50 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.079 just before the show. You are you're in the middle of the country. 51 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.759 You're in the Iowa. Yes, I'm on the border in Minnesota, but 52 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:43.800 I'm in Iowa. Uh huh. And you're in corn country fields and fields 53 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.079 of corn. That's what I remember. And I'm not going to get her 54 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.040 right off the bat and ask about crop circles, but eventually that might come 55 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:56.560 up. Okay, So can you tell the listening audience out there a little 56 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:01.279 bit about yourself? Yes, well, I was a school teacher for eleven 57 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.360 years. I taught English as a second language in Saint Thomas, Virgin Islands 58 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:15.519 in Florida. I had always been interested in UFOs for a personal reason. 59 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.439 I had two encounters when I was quite young. I guess you could call 60 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:26.560 them abductions. They were. They changed my life, but I have no 61 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:33.120 regrets. They were not super frightening or super super awful. They were actually 62 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:42.839 amazing. Apparently a membrane in my mouth was taken as a tissue sample. 63 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.279 So I started very young, you know, looking at the stars and wondering, 64 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:54.759 and when I moved to California, I couldn't get into teaching. There 65 00:05:54.879 --> 00:06:00.040 was a recession on and also I didn't have my master's degree. So I 66 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:08.240 started a spiritual newsletter that is still going with messages of well predicted global climate 67 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:16.920 chaos and storms and other things that have unfortunately come true. But I've always 68 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:23.160 wanted to work on the science speculative side of things too, and I have 69 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:31.319 written a book of Future Humans and the UFOs that is logical and science speculation. 70 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:38.319 It's not spiritual, as several of my other books have been. I've 71 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:45.000 lived in Ireland for five years and looked into celt shamanism and Irish herbal medicine. 72 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:51.000 Lived in Giant Rock, California for two years, actually Joshua Tree, 73 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:58.240 but Giant Rock was nearby, and that's where George van Tassel used to gather 74 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:05.279 large crowd and summoned the ets down, and that was in the fifties and 75 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:11.199 sixties. I wasn't a part of that. I was there in the later 76 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:18.240 nineties, but that is an interesting area. So I've Southern California had several 77 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:25.639 good UFO sidings and synchronicities and strange things going on there. So I've lived 78 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:30.639 in interesting places and I came back. I came back to my native I 79 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:38.160 woke where my encounters took place twenty three years ago, bought ten acres, 80 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:43.319 and I've let it become natural as the Lakota perhaps would have had it in 81 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.160 the middle of all the corn. And I have a cat sanctuary and a 82 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:53.519 wildlife refuge and three big dogs that are just my three big dogs. They're 83 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:58.160 not part of the But I have fifty one cats currently. Oh did you 84 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.519 say that one more time? I must have understood you. Fifty one. 85 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:07.399 But I have a big barn that's heated, Dick barn. They're not all 86 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:13.120 in the house. I have a new cabin as well for the sanctuary. 87 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.680 And then every season but Winner, I've got ten acres for him. So 88 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:24.759 this county has no shelter, so people dumped them here. I spay neuter 89 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.959 another one shows up, and for twenty three years it's been kind of the 90 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.840 third act of my life. I've actually enjoyed it. And I get donations 91 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:41.080 from people mostly who read still read my spiritual newsletters, which are still going 92 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.720 on even though I've written a more objective book. Now. Wow, well, 93 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.200 I can tell you're a kind person right off the bat. You're talking 94 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:54.480 about a sanctuary there for these cats. I do have to make an announcement 95 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.919 though, because Bobby and the chat room reminded me. He sent me a 96 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.320 text I forgot all out. They had explained that, um, that filming 97 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:11.080 over at the International Space Station that actually was a CubeSat deployment, and then 98 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.120 someone someone added a video, a CGI video to make it look uh, 99 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.759 you know, to make it a hoax or something. So that is no 100 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.159 longer a UFO what I had mentioned earlier, and I apologize for even bringing 101 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:28.519 it up. But maybe a lot of people have been thinking it's a UFO, 102 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.360 and now they'll know that it's not any longer a UFO. It was 103 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:39.639 a cube SAT deployment. So um, so you had it. You had 104 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:45.120 what you think was an an abduction experience at a young age. Yeah, 105 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.159 to two of them, one it was the golden age of abductions. Of 106 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.039 somebody's knocking at the door. Are you saying that this is an abduction right 107 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:01.080 now? No? This isn't okay? Can you should I just go tell 108 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.279 them to go away. That's all right, I'll talk for me. You 109 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.320 go ahead, go ahead, just don't get abducted. Just make sure you 110 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.000 come back, Okay, I'll be right back, all right, okay, 111 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.559 all right everyone. So yeah, that's a little embarrassing that I went ahead 112 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.879 with the story. I actually did look for about fifteen minutes online to see 113 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.200 if I could find out what the answer was to UM that NASA filming at 114 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.840 the International Space Station. Hi, I'm back, You're back. So it's 115 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.240 also it was the ups man bringing something from Amazon. I thought it might 116 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.879 have been one of your cats or something. But all very good. So 117 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.519 we right before you went to answer, you were talking about, UM, 118 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.960 you had two of what you think you were abductions when you were young, 119 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:54.360 and so go ahead. The first one at age four, I have been 120 00:10:54.440 --> 00:11:00.399 regressed with doctor Leo Leo sprinkle uh, and had was hypnotically regressed. But 121 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.519 I have a few conscious memories of that, and I was The conscious memories 122 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:13.279 are I was sitting on an earthlike park bench. This man sat down about 123 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:20.480 a foot from me. My legs were swinging off the bench because it was 124 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:26.639 taller than my legs were, and I was watching a hologram like thing, 125 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.720 a swirling. It reminds me a little of the movie theaters when they used 126 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:37.759 to show different colored lights that kept going across before the film started, pastel 127 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:43.000 colors swirling. And I now wonder if maybe that kept me calm, because 128 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:48.519 I never freaked out. I was that kind of a little kid. I 129 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:54.519 was an observer. I was smart, but I I just sat there and 130 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.600 I don't know why I wasn't more scared. He spoke to me, probably 131 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.960 in telepathy, but I'm not sure of that, and the words that I 132 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:11.120 think he told me quite a bit, but the words that I remember is 133 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.879 we are from your future. Now, I know he could have been lying, 134 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.080 he could have been a shape shifter or something like that. But I 135 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:30.200 have spent my life both objectively and subjectively looking into this seeing, you know, 136 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.200 trying to figure out was he telling the truth, And my conclusion in 137 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.720 this book is that he probably was. But that isn't what I based the 138 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:48.200 book's logical on. That's just my personal feeling. And then there was a 139 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:56.399 second abduction that I don't I haven't been regressed on hypnology with hypnosis, and 140 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.879 all I remember is that we went up to Eagle Lake, Ontario, and 141 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.799 there are a lot of UFOs around the Canadian lakes, we being my family. 142 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.399 We were going to have a family get together with uncle and aunt and 143 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.519 there two boys, and Mom left me alone in the cabin, which was 144 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:22.559 kind of unusual, and this same man came in the door rather quickly. 145 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.279 I was I was alone, and he said, do you remember Are you 146 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.360 scared? Are you afraid? And I said no, And he said do 147 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:35.440 you remember me? I said yes, And that's the last I know of 148 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:41.240 that when I have no recollection of any of it, but my would be 149 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.720 proof. I wouldn't, you know, stake my life on it. But 150 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:50.679 I am missing that entire membrane that's between your gum and your your inside of 151 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.799 your upper lip. Sometimes they slid it. I've I've researched all this. 152 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.279 When a baby's born, if it isn't suckling very well, they'll they'll slid 153 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:05.279 it. But this is just clean removed. And you know, I first 154 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.919 noticed it when I was about nine years old, falling around with makeup, 155 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:16.320 and it was on the outside. I noticed a very thin scar and I 156 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.879 thought, well, did I hurt myself on my tricycle? When did this 157 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:26.399 happen? My parents, both very attentive, said no, they didn't know. 158 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.320 And I asked him separately and together. I asked a plastic surgeon once 159 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.519 and he says, well, it looks like a laser scar. Well, 160 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.679 this was nineteen fifty two. But then as the years went by, I 161 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:48.360 figured out it was actually inside that was the missing part, and it showed 162 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.440 through or somehow made a small scar on the outside. So, you know, 163 00:14:52.559 --> 00:15:00.240 even if there is a mundane reason for that, to me, my 164 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.360 abductions are still valid. I mean, you know, other people have abductions 165 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:11.200 without evidence, that is that clear. But anyway, I uh, that's 166 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.360 something that is I feel like, well, you know it's right. The 167 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.559 evidence is right under your nose. Was a message that I can kind of 168 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:26.799 receive, and I've always been driven to. I've always favored the idea of 169 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:37.039 time travelers being either the total answer to UFO occupants or perhaps ets or other 170 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:43.320 dimensionals. I'm not sure what other dimensionals means. It's not really a scientific 171 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:48.759 People always say, well, it could be other dimensionals, but you know, 172 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:54.279 ets could visit us. I'm not saying they don't. But I have 173 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.320 to smile when people sort of resist the time traveler the future human idea. 174 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:07.440 They believe so easily that some something from a far, far distant planet. 175 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:12.080 Well, of course it's here, but they're not as easily. I don't 176 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:18.200 know if they think we didn't go on if we became extinct, but if 177 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.799 we do go on, we're going to make strides in science. We're making 178 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.399 huge strides right now in science. This is the golden age, they say, 179 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:33.080 of science. Not spiritual but science. So, you know, I 180 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:42.000 don't know quite why it's such. People resisted that it's future humans, and 181 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.399 to me, there's a lot of logic that it is. Well, you 182 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.600 know, I wonder about that as well. You know, for instance, 183 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.159 you know you're mentioning perhaps you know, future time travelers or whatever. I've 184 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.519 I've thought about that. You know, you've got to think also that ninety 185 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:06.279 nine percent of species on this planet have gone extinct, and you know, 186 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:08.359 the way we're heading is not too pretty. I don't think, um, 187 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:17.960 but and there's a large amount of extinctions, much higher. It's incredible per 188 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.720 year right now. I forget how many species are are gone per year, 189 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.319 but it's a lot. It's kind of scary right now. But um, 190 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:30.799 you I saw in your book you have a chapter I believe on Michael doctor 191 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.400 Michael Masters. And yes, Yeah, he's a he's a past guest, 192 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:38.559 and actually we communicate a bit here and there. He's a fun guy, 193 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.480 nice guy. I do too. I agree, Yeah, we do too. 194 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.640 I just had an email from him. Uh yeah, he I've got 195 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.799 a whole chapter that is his, and a whole chapter of Jacques Belat, 196 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.759 and a whole chapter of Jack sar Foy. Um what Mike Masters, who 197 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:03.640 is a fun and evolutionary anthropologist, and several other titles. And he's an 198 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:08.400 academic and at a big tech university. M Yeah, he says. The 199 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:15.160 ubiquity, the commonness, or the number of reports describing humanoid and human like 200 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:21.359 individuals is overwhelming, and I bring that up too. I've got a list 201 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:27.319 that m. Richard Hall made way back in the sixties and seventies. And 202 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.640 I actually dated Richard Hall. He was much older, but I got I 203 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.640 got some UFO secrets from him. He was the MW Fund editor, MW 204 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:44.039 Fund Journal editor, and he edited UFO evidence that is still well thought of. 205 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.480 Anyway, back to Mike Masters, he says, taking into consideration their 206 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:55.519 reported relative humanness, it is highly improbable that another planet with different gravity, 207 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:02.519 different chemistry distance from its son with ever and so forth, there's more differences. 208 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.240 Would ever developed bipedal humanoid life that would look, act, and talk 209 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:12.640 so much like us, or that it would they would arise on a planet 210 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:18.400 near enough to allow for mutual contact and communication. You know, we're used 211 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:23.440 to thinking of aliens, those are Hollywood actors that are humans playing them. 212 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:30.799 But then the UFO field comes up with tall Nordics and golden humans. Now 213 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:37.119 the guy I met Hollywood guy who was probably a golden human. He had 214 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:45.359 amber colored eyes that were almost translucent, and outside of that he was apparently 215 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:51.440 a human. I don't know if it was artificial intelligence or what, but 216 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.559 anyway, on with what Mike said, I keep interrupting Mic here. Furthermore, 217 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.319 given the tremendously long history in the U universe, it's highly improbable that 218 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.240 such a civilization would arise at the same time as us, be so much 219 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.720 like us, but also have just slightly more advanced technology that happens to be 220 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:18.720 so similar to our own. The tic TACs and the jet planes very different 221 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.640 and yet kind of playing a game of top gun with each other. When 222 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:32.119 you think of how different some machine from a far distant planet might be, 223 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:38.799 the tic TACs to me, they're raising a lot of the time traveler interest 224 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:45.680 right now because they do somehow seem sort of familiar. So the final thing 225 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:53.319 for Mike masters in thinking about the statistical improbability of this scenario, we must 226 00:20:53.359 --> 00:21:00.599 ask whether hybrid desation hybridization would be possible with such coincid dental et aliens. 227 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:06.440 We can't produce with our closest living reality, which is the chimpanzee, with 228 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:11.559 whom we share ninety eight point seven percent of our DNA, and so it 229 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:18.400 seems unfathomable that we could ever produce with the with an et from an entirely 230 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:23.200 different, distant planet. I understand, I understand what you're saying. You 231 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:29.519 know, you could argue some of what Michael you were quoting some of the 232 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:34.359 things he said. You know, evolutionary, you look at other species that 233 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.000 have evolved. I know, you know the different gravities and things. I 234 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.759 do understand different type of species would evolve different ways and things like that. 235 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.240 But you know, you have a lot of not not bipedal, but you 236 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:51.759 have quadrupeds, and you have the two eyes two years. Everything is made 237 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:57.799 for dimensional work and survival and things like that. So UM, I don't 238 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:02.319 know. I think you know, two eyes two years. Uh, that 239 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.039 type of thing, um works and uh in a lot of evolution, M 240 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.720 but but it is it is interesting to uh. You know. One of 241 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:18.759 the things you also said is the timing. The timing is something that UM, 242 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.279 a lot of people or I wouldn't think about, but it really is. 243 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.759 I mean the timing of how something evolves. And two right now. 244 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.880 You know, like I talked about earlier, so many things have become extinct. 245 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:34.960 UM, A lot of civilizations probably have never made it, you know, 246 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.119 to a high level, to a higher level of intelligence, or maybe 247 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.279 they have, but at so many different times this could have happened because you 248 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.160 know, we're a young planet for one thing. So yeah, it's all 249 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.279 fascinating, it is. It's fun too. Yeah, it's it's one of 250 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.039 those things that it's really interesting to go into. And it hasn't really been 251 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.759 thought of as far as the future humans. It isn't a very popular subject. 252 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:10.240 I guess it's had it's arisen and fallen again throughout upology, but in 253 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.599 recent years it hasn't. Jacques Valet was actually kind of persecuted for coming for 254 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:19.920 saying, well, it could be something closer to Earth that's in the UFOs. 255 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.319 That's right. So we are at our first break. We're actually going 256 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:32.599 to go into a real break at this time, and we'll be right back. 257 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.960 Hello, and welcome back. I'm Martin Willis, your host and my 258 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.960 guest Tonight's Diane Testament. And we were talking just before we went in to 259 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:10.160 break a Diane about extinction and Michael doctor Michael Master's thoughts and um, you 260 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.960 know, I do understand why someone would think a couple of different things, 261 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.000 and I've said it a number of times on the show. I don't want 262 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.119 to be too redundant, but you know, why would we be so special 263 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.920 that we'd be visited? If there are so many possibilities of intelligent life out 264 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:32.160 there mathematically, you know what makes us special enough? One person I mentioned 265 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.839 that too, said water. Water is rare to have as much as we 266 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.960 do. And maybe that's true. I don't know, but it's not. 267 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:45.519 It's not that rare. Look at all the moons of Saturn and even Pluto 268 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.799 has an ocean. I mean, you'd have to get to it through the 269 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:55.799 eyes, but it water seems to be amazingly in the Solar system, more 270 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.759 than we thought it was. Again, not quite as lovely as Earth and 271 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.119 available, and it's really a puzzle how how it got here? Two you 272 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:10.519 know, possible comments. They don't really know exactly how water arrived here Earth, 273 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.319 but it's here in abundance seventy some odd percent of the planet. Pretty 274 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:19.079 amazing, right, Yeah, yeah, So what made you decide to write 275 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:30.279 this book in general? My years of being a UFO investigator, my years 276 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:37.640 of chasing UFOs with friends, and just it changed my life when I was 277 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:44.240 so young that it probably did make me a different person. I've never really 278 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.039 had the same goals as many people, or many women have, but I've 279 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.839 had a very adventuresome life, having moved to Ireland and on a shoestring, 280 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:59.920 I never had any money, and you know, all that is somehow connect 281 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:07.079 and it just suddenly seemed to be time and the book kind of wrote itself. 282 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.920 It wrote very quickly, and I was so pleased when Phil Mantles said, 283 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.559 well, let's do it. I had I'd proposed another book, sort 284 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.240 of a biography to him, and he says, well, no, I'm 285 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.759 sorry, I don't think so. So a couple of months later I came 286 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:32.400 back and I thought, why haven't I really said that I'll do this book 287 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.319 before. This is my topic. Ree, like, this is my book, 288 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.440 and he says, well, let's do it. So it's the right 289 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:47.119 time with that old time again. It's time is involved. Yeah, yeah, 290 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.839 let's let's go. Let's rewind a little bit into your background, if 291 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.319 that's okay with you. I want to talk about We do have a lot 292 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.039 of new listeners to this show, and a lot of them may not be 293 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.720 familiar with the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization APPRO. Can you talk about about that 294 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:11.039 organization and what it was like? Yeah? It Uh. Jim and Coral 295 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:17.920 Lorenzen, husband and wife team in Arizona, ran it and they were known 296 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.319 for doing really good investigations and at that time, Moufon was just uh, 297 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.400 it wasn't what it is now. It was smaller, but it was kind 298 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:36.079 of still the the main one. And then APPRO was was sort of them, 299 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.279 I don't want to say, more respected, but the a little bit 300 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:51.079 um more painstaking and close, more closely shepherded along by Coral and Jim than 301 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:57.559 Moufon was. And I was state Section director with UM Moufon for only about 302 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.720 two years in Florida and then moved to California. So that that ended that, 303 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:11.400 but move on with or APPRO was very demanding as to what you know 304 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:17.000 how to investigate and to get the arc of the sky right where the UFO, 305 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.359 where the person at, what arc was it? And and uh which 306 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:26.240 was always a pain in the neck to me because I'm not all that technical. 307 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:33.240 But um, yeah, there were some interesting cases. Um, do 308 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:38.599 you recall any you'd like to talk about? Uh? I, while I 309 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:44.440 I'd kind of like to mention one that that's strange with my brother, This 310 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.319 wasn't an APPRO case, but I kind of want to get it in because 311 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.960 it's kind of food for thought. Um. At the time I was abducted, 312 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.079 my my brother was ten years older than me, so I was for 313 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:03.440 he would have been fourteen, and my mother said, don't go into Norman's 314 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:08.160 room. He's got a baseball beat and a knife. And he wasn't like 315 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:14.119 that. Usually he didn't have, you know, tons of nightmares. And 316 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:21.079 when we talked to Norman, or when my parents did, he said, 317 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:27.200 three little men he named Moho and Poe were chasing him. And he bought 318 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.599 that in. He was fourteen, and yet he bought it into his waking 319 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.279 day to defend himself and it had been. He called it a nightmare or 320 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.759 ongoing nightmare. Now I don't think it was ongoing even I think he had 321 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:48.359 one or two nightmares and felt he had to arm himself in the daytime. 322 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:56.519 And I have wondered if perhaps the same get to know the North Human kid, 323 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:03.440 a group of ets or future humans or whoever they were, had tried 324 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.240 to abduct Norman and it just didn't It didn't go as well as it did 325 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:14.519 with me. I tried to talk to Norm as an adult. We weren't 326 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:19.240 real close, but we talked a couple of times, and he didn't seem 327 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:27.319 interested at all in UFOs. Maybe he protested too much, but they only 328 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.079 UFO he could. Interesting thing he could come up with as an adult was 329 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:41.000 that he was hiking with his son near Las Vegas on a mountain and they 330 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:48.359 saw a very vivid, clear saucer shaped UFO and shortly thereafter his son was 331 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:55.559 murdered. His son was forty one and champion kayaker and went out just to 332 00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:00.279 practice and was found a couple months later. He had been hit on the 333 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:06.079 head and his body was found on the lake shore. So it was I 334 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.440 guess that you know, for Norman, if the UFO was an omen or 335 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:15.960 something. He never had a very very good experience with UFOs, But I 336 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:23.119 have wondered if that was connected to mine, because it had Sometimes contact or 337 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.319 abduction does run in families. My mom didn't even believe in ghost She was 338 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:34.400 totally non believer in anything like that. And Dad never said very much. 339 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:40.319 I don't really know he was would have been more open maybe, but huh, 340 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.000 So you never talked about it with your father? Uh? No. 341 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:51.880 He was North Iowa German Lutheran and he was kind of that way. He 342 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.880 was a nice guy. But that generation too, they don't didn't talk too 343 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:04.640 much about their feelings or thing like that. So when this going back to 344 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.720 your experience when you were so young, did you have anyone you could talk 345 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:14.759 to about it? No, and I didn't talk to the family about it 346 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.440 at that time. It was kind of a dysfunctional family, to be honest. 347 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.680 Dad had a drinking problem. Both my parents were college graduates of the 348 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:30.079 University of Iowa. It was a second marriage. My brother had come from 349 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:37.720 mom's first marriage, and she was extremely emotional and controlling, and they argued 350 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:44.119 so much that I was basically an only child. Norman ten years older was 351 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.680 out of the house. When he was seventeen. He left, so I 352 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:54.440 was seven and I maybe one reason I haven't been felt a victim of the 353 00:32:54.519 --> 00:33:01.400 abductions was that I kind of incorporated them into my private world. I suppose. 354 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:07.640 Um when I was six, seven or seven, I had invisible playmates, 355 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:15.519 or not playmates, a presence I called the remembers re member, and 356 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:20.559 they never They were only around when I was outside, which was a lot. 357 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.440 I walked. We had this acreage and I was not this one but 358 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.640 close by actually, and I would walk with the dogs all over the place, 359 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.279 and that was my world. And the parents would be and they're arguing 360 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:42.160 in the house. They loved me, but I sort of took it onto 361 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:47.200 myself and and sort of made up my own I suppose, which is an 362 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.720 odd thing to have done, but it I was never never felt like a 363 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.960 victim. Yeah, sounds like you were coping pretty well, you know. 364 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.039 Yeah, that and then you mentioned that later on in life. I believe 365 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.000 you said California. Did you have actual sightings yourself? Did you say that 366 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:14.480 I did, the best sighting of my life was in Florida, where I 367 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:23.599 was teaching school. It was two big white spheres that hung over Tampa Bay. 368 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.719 My house was one block from Tampa Bay in Saint Petersburg, Florida. 369 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.599 And then this is kind of it was. They stayed there for hours. 370 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.320 There was a small group of people in the park at the end of the 371 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:44.320 street watching these two spheres, and my daughter and I watched them. We 372 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.280 took the dog we had been walking the dog. We took the dog home, 373 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:52.280 came back, and I decided to try and communicate with one of them, 374 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.079 and I looked down for a minute and it disappeared. So I was 375 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:59.960 kind of insulted, and it was the one that left, but the one 376 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.000 just stayed there. It didn't dissipate like a rocket launch, It didn't float 377 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.599 like a balloon or a Chinese lantern. It just stayed. And I left 378 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.039 the park at two thirty in the morning because I had to teach school in 379 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.079 the morning. And I've always kicked myself for not staying to see why it 380 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.320 ever was going to do or when it left. But that was probably the 381 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.840 best sighting of my life. These were because I never saw this ship on 382 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:36.920 the abductions. These were gee the size of a full moon, not a 383 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.920 huge full moon, but a full moon that's maybe halfway to the apex of 384 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:49.760 the of the sky. And then I also had that at the same year. 385 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.719 I call it my year of Awakening. I had strange beeps going on 386 00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:01.559 in the house. They started in the television set at five before the hour, 387 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.199 but then as time progressed, they were in the wall, the wall 388 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.719 beap, the lamp beep, the close dryer beat. And I thought, 389 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:20.440 was this a transum some sort of radio transmission from McDill Air Force Base which 390 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:25.400 is over in Tampa, or was I think it's closed now. But I 391 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:31.360 took a cassette recorder a half a block away from the house and it beaped, 392 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:40.400 and then they sort of the climax of that year was that on May 393 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.960 I got to get the date here a May ninth, nineteen eighty a barge 394 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:52.239 hit the Skyway bridge, which was over Tampa Bay, the same you know, 395 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.280 a body of water. I could see the bridge when I was looking 396 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.199 at the UFO, so our house was a block away. A barge hit 397 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.760 a span of the Skyway, which is a very tall bridge, and thirty 398 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.159 five people plunged to their dass. A greyhound bus went over. It was 399 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.079 that big deal at the time. Well, that morning I was getting my 400 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.199 daughter ready for school on myself and our smoke alarm, which hadn't been beeping, 401 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.119 oddly, um, it went off. It wasn't. I looked for 402 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.400 a fire. It wasn't the fire sound, it wasn't batteries low. It 403 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.159 sounded like Morse code, and my dad said, well, I used to 404 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:42.320 know Morse code, but he wasn't. Didn't come up with it with any 405 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.360 message. But then we heard on the TV that a barge at seven thirty 406 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:54.480 five had hit the skyway, and I wondered if maybe the uh, the 407 00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:00.519 smoke alarm maybe was the energy of these people as they they plunged over. 408 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.159 It would take a second to hit the water. I don't know. I 409 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:12.119 mean that it was all very strange, and then the beeps sort of dwindled 410 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:16.280 off. They eventually stopped. They would come, you know, a couple 411 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:23.239 of times a day at their hip. And then the kicker of this story 412 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:30.639 is that you know moth Man that John Kee wrote about with the silver bridge 413 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:37.159 that collapsed, Well, I remembered I had been outside before this bridge the 414 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:45.440 skyway collapsed or was severed, and something flew over that was opaque. It 415 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.360 would be like a huge bird, but there was no flapping, and it 416 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:57.519 had red sort of around it am an edge of red, and the stars 417 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.960 disappeared. There was no noise like a low It would be a piper cub 418 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.719 type of arapl the size, but there was no noise, and I didn't 419 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.000 I just thought it was one of many kind of strange things that year. 420 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:17.079 It was my year of being strange, or of having strangenesses. And then 421 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.400 it occurred to me after the bridge fell, I thought, what if that 422 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:27.960 was Mothman. Mothman, I presume, So that was my strange year. 423 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.599 I usually don't have things like that. Once in a while there'll be something 424 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:37.039 kind of kind of odd, but that was. Ah, that was an 425 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.559 exciting year, I guess so. And I was in Florida and yeah, 426 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.760 Saint Pete. Yeah, And so you were basically a section director for mouf 427 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.480 On. Did you find mouf On was easier to work to work with an 428 00:39:53.519 --> 00:40:00.400 April April? Yeah. They weren't as as picky or as this scarning. 429 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.960 And I guess I had more freedom because I could assign people because I was 430 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.199 a state section director, because I was teaching and raising my daughter, and 431 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:19.480 I there was one case where the car the electromagnetic charge was was the pole, 432 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:27.280 whatever north or south the polarization was was changed after the people in the 433 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:31.639 car had seen a UFO had a close it had flown over. It wasn't 434 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.320 an abduction that they knew of, but the polarization of the car changed. 435 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.719 But yeah, then when I went to California, I sort of switched over 436 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.960 to the spiritual side because I kind of felt I was receiving messages, to 437 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:54.159 be honest, but they were more for they are more for the human species 438 00:40:54.159 --> 00:41:01.079 than they are for individual I was never a psychic. I wasn't that good 439 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.559 at it, but it was messages mostly about caring for the planet. And 440 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:14.679 that's come to pass that that certainly is needed. Yeah, I think California 441 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.519 will do that to about anyone. I lived out there a few different times. 442 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.199 Yeah, California gives you freedom in a sense, or it did in 443 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.920 those days, right, all right. Yeah, I was out there when 444 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.559 I was twenty two for a couple of years, and then again you know 445 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:36.880 after Wow, I left there about eleven years ago, so ten or eleven 446 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.400 years ago, so it was no, I'm sorry, nine years ago. 447 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.239 But yeah, it's it's an interesting place. And I was not doing this 448 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.840 show when I was out there, and there's so much going on in the 449 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.480 area that I lived. I find out now I was basically in Marin County 450 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.199 in northern California. Ah, yeah, that would be great. Yeah, 451 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.760 a lot going on. My daughter lives and my daughter lives in San Francisco, 452 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.880 so oh yeah, I should go out there one of these days. 453 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.719 Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of people really involved 454 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.039 in this topic and there I'm finding, you know, out that way I've 455 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.440 communicated with over the years, and a major amount of listeners to this show. 456 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.519 Of course, you know that's a high population state, but it's definitely 457 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:28.079 way number one on for listeners out there. Yeah. My my subscribers also 458 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.440 the majority or not the majority, but the highest number would be California. 459 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:39.079 The subscribers to my newsletters. Huh, and your newsletters are can you what's 460 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.519 that about? Exactly? Oh, they're they're the spiritual side of me. 461 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:46.119 I see, Okay, we don't have to talk about it. I just 462 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.920 I just wondered if it was anything related to, um, you know what 463 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:58.360 we're talking about tonight. Um so um. Getting back to back to the 464 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.159 last thing I asked you was about there, No, it was about Florida? 465 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.800 Was there? And you talked about that case with the magnetic whatever the 466 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.800 issue was. Yeah, I wanted to just talk about that case a little 467 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.960 more if you would. Did that car actually like stop running they could never 468 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.559 use it again? Or what was the deal with that? It was fixed, 469 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.639 but it wouldn't run after they were they were marooned. It was a 470 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:32.280 family with two kids, and it wouldn't run after the the UFO flew low 471 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.400 over it. Yeah, which is that's I think why they reported it. 472 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.679 They were so annoyed that scared too. There they were going along. It 473 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:49.719 was in a rural Florida and so they had I don't even know. I 474 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.280 guess they I think they walked to a filling station or something. They didn't 475 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.679 have cell phones in those days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something. 476 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.480 There are so many of those cases about the car. You know, 477 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:07.880 it making cars go dead. A lot of times when the UFO goes away, 478 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.679 it'll change everything back and it works. But uh yeah, the nuclear 479 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:21.480 codes I think came back on but not not this car. Well, Um, 480 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.800 and were there any other really interesting cases? I really like talking about 481 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:29.559 cases that nobody's ever heard of. And it sounds like you were in this 482 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.360 very early and you may have witnessed, you know, a time where there's 483 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.199 a lot of gaps that we don't know about some interesting stories. UM. 484 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.239 Yeah, I've my head's been so much in the book recently. Let me 485 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.039 Yeah, okay, we'll go back to that for sure, but right I 486 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.039 know, I'm just trying to come up with there was there was a case 487 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:58.599 of a woman, a very smart woman, UM, who who lived with 488 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:05.280 two parents. She was kind of out of place with uh in in rural 489 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.079 Florida. She was UM had a lot of uh. Oh. For instance, 490 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.280 she'd go out on a rural road at night and come home in the 491 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:24.159 morning and feel she had experiences. But this time UM, there was whom 492 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:32.480 she called a shadow man that she saw UH and UM then the next day 493 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:40.400 her father, who was very abusive UM was was killed and UH she always 494 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:46.800 felt it was the shadow man. UH. And then the day after that 495 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:54.559 she had her first UFO sighting. UM. It was two UFOs that she 496 00:45:54.760 --> 00:46:00.480 saw going over and and that's remained with me as because it links the paranormal 497 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:08.280 um. UH strange, bright and really lovely person who was kind of a 498 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:13.840 victim of an environment that she didn't even seem to belong in. UM. 499 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:22.480 And then that tragedy however, Um he had been terrible to her. And 500 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.119 then do you I mean, did they come as as hitman. It was 501 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:31.920 a strange it remin It remains in my mind, comes to mind because it 502 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:42.199 linked paranormal unusual person and then uh, actual UFOs sighting that her grandmother UM 503 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.880 also saw. She used to Uh they had a motel, an old motel, 504 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.159 and she used to hang out with her, her grandmother more than her 505 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:57.800 parents, and h the grandmother had seen the two saucer shape UFOs as well. 506 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.679 Wow, It's it's funny how I've talked about this a number of times, 507 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:08.280 that there is an era where the saucer shapes were more prevalent. You 508 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.639 know, it seems like, yeah, that's that's the only thing that I 509 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.280 really saw that I couldn't explain. It was a saucer shape, and I 510 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.119 just wonder, Um, you know, it's so strange where now you hear 511 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.440 a lot of orb sightings and triangles, and it's it's really interesting why they 512 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.039 would be different. How would that fit into your theory of time travel? 513 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:37.079 I suppose they just have different models of shifts. That's maybe putting it a 514 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:44.960 little simply. The tic TACs remind me of the shuttles on Original Star Trek. 515 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.599 Of course I am a big Star Treker, I admit that. But 516 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.880 they they seem to have the pilot set of funny little protrusion from them, 517 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.639 almost like an antenna, right or something. Yeah, which is kind of 518 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.599 weird. Why would you need an antenna if you're so advanced. But anyway, 519 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.840 yeah, they they've kind of for some reason, they remind people of 520 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.599 more of time travel, I think than the Saucers do. I'm not sure 521 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.559 why. Yeah, Um, all right, let's just let's just go there 522 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.239 for a minute. We only have a couple of minutes. But okay, 523 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:29.119 let's just say this that the tic TACs were time travelers, Um, what 524 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:34.239 would they what would they be doing? Just doing what they were doing out 525 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.920 in the middle of the you know, off San Diego and uh, you 526 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.039 know, messing with a couple of fighter jets. Beyond that, what would 527 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.400 they you know what, why would you think they would be doing that? 528 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.719 I mean, I'm just posing questions. Well, that the Navy did those 529 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:57.199 maneuvers every year between um Tijuana and San Diego, So the tic TACs would 530 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:02.639 have certainly known that they could have stayed out of the way or but they 531 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.719 appeared on radar before they sent the pilots up. I think the radar said 532 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.960 there was a battalion or maybe a unit. I don't know if it's I 533 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.440 don't know what's in a battalion, but many, many of them formations, 534 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:22.679 and so it was almost like they wanted to have that confrontation or that little 535 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:30.679 dog fight. Kind of possibly that might be a drip grip of disclosure because 536 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.239 it has raised a lot of the Navy said they really don't know what it 537 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.960 is, which is new and unusual. And then there is a theory that 538 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.679 the whales were migrating and that possibly they were observing the whales. Now that's 539 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:52.800 kind of a maybe too sacrd or too sweet or something. Maybe they were 540 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.840 going to eat, you know, catch the whales. There are food. 541 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:04.280 But there was something foaming under the water or churning that Commander Fraver talked about, 542 00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.519 and it was the size of a seven forty seven well that could have 543 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.760 been one of the whales. But the whales were migrating there, and there's 544 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:21.239 up in Oregon there was a whale migration and other military reports of ticktat or 545 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:28.519 at least of UFOs around. So that's well, who knows. All right, 546 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.400 Well, it's time for us to head into our break and we'll be 547 00:50:31.519 --> 00:52:22.679 right back. All right, Welcome back everyone. My guest tonight is Dian 548 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:29.039 Testament, and we are we we were talking about what we were we talking 549 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.400 about before the break, because we talked during the break. Strange that strange 550 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.239 case I had. Oh yes, shadow Man, Yeah, yeah, those 551 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:42.159 cases are really interesting. I love hearing cases that I've never heard about. 552 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.480 That's why I was actually um talking to you about it. But let's get 553 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:53.159 back into your book and some of the things you have discussed um about in 554 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:58.039 the future of humans? What is what is some of the things you've come 555 00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:06.679 up with. Well, I think that the nuclear issue is part of why 556 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:12.400 they are back here in our skies. I can't exactly tell you why they 557 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.440 don't just land and say, look, anything nuclear is more dangerous than you 558 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:22.239 think. And you current people have been too nonchalant with nuclear energy, even 559 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:30.920 nuclear plants that are built on water because they need water intake oceans or river 560 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:37.440 and now the oceans are rising, there's torrential rains, there's flooding. You 561 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:45.079 know, what's that going to be in a hundred years with even safe supposedly 562 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:52.400 safe civilian just you know, just to give us electric energy. But starting 563 00:53:52.440 --> 00:54:00.360 with the concept of nuclear waste that we generate so much of it it overflows 564 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:06.440 the permanent storage, which may not be the greatest. We put it in 565 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:13.119 temporary storage. There is a Danish film that is a haunting, an award 566 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:21.239 winning feature documentary called Into Eternity. It follows the construction of a waste repository 567 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:28.079 at a nuclear power plant in Finland. The film questions the intended eternal existence 568 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:34.639 of nuclear waste storage this site that has been carefully built in Finland, much 569 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.199 better than what the US has. In many cases, it cannot be safely 570 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.559 disturbed for a hundred thousand years. Exactly. No structure in human history has 571 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.320 lasted one hundred thousand years. Do we know what happened one hundred thousand years 572 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.639 ago? No? No, And when you think about it, one hundred 573 00:54:53.639 --> 00:55:00.159 thousand years, how will people even know not to dig it up? They 574 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.760 even speak English, for all we know, they'll dig it up and think 575 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:10.760 they've got some artifact or some wonderful Egyptian like container but leaving you know, 576 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.840 maybe they would know it's nuclear waste, but it's leaking into earth. And 577 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:22.719 so a big part of my book is asking why are we leaving to our 578 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:30.559 descendants? And you know, you mentioned we might go extinct? Are the 579 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:39.079 sperm count of the human race is down fifty percent? Sou and possibly there's 580 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:44.000 a nuclear war that hasn't happened yet. You can you know, guess that, 581 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:49.199 and the genome is damaged. It might account for the differences in there 582 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:55.159 in the physiological makeup of the small humans that so many people have seen. 583 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.119 Now, Mike Masters says, that's just normal evolution that we're going in that 584 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:07.760 direction. So it's just speculation on my part. But we have been too 585 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:15.760 nonchalant with nuclear energy, and there have been UFOs even around um Los Alamos. 586 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:22.360 In way back in the late forties they had an outbreak of red zipping 587 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:31.239 lights running around at Los Alamos, And there have been sightings at everything from 588 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.360 Peach Bottom, which is a nuclear where is it here? Uh, Central 589 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:45.039 Pennsylvania, South central Pennsylvania. UM they have they're running out of space, 590 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:52.880 so they're gonna just put it the overflowing containers stored in an area less than 591 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:59.320 the size of a football field, and they're they're gonna sit I guess above 592 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:05.519 ground. Anyway, future humans may be dealing with a really contaminated earth. 593 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.840 Also, they maybe a scarcity of drinking water, of safe drinking water. 594 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.599 So you know, they seem to be trying to tell us that we're too 595 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:27.920 nonchalant with nuclear energy. And maybe they don't come down and with a megaphone 596 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:32.519 and yellow at us because there is a non interference directive or a reason that 597 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:39.199 we're not quite ready to know about them. They would threaten the power structure, 598 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:45.639 even if they didn't aim to more than ets, even because here would 599 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:52.599 be people. The current people would see that with this other bunch of humans 600 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.800 probably has the cure for cancer and any disease you can think of. They 601 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.800 probably could help with the fire fires, like in Australia if you had artificial 602 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:07.360 intelligence that they designed, could go into fires or the Amazon fires and you 603 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:14.559 wouldn't have any loss of life of firemen, and much more efficiently. Artificial 604 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:19.960 intelligence could put out fires all sorts of things that would be helpful, and 605 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:25.119 people could turn away from the powers that be now pretty quickly, so that 606 00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:32.480 might be the reason for a non interference directive, because I don't think they 607 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:38.119 really want, you know, Grandpa, just running around and falling and trying 608 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:45.119 to follow them. And they have some ethics, I believe, But I 609 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:53.519 think there is a point where there must be a huge separation between galactic races 610 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:59.360 that learn how to time travel, that develop it, and those that are 611 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:04.079 still locked in time. To me, that would be the biggest separation almost 612 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.920 it would be the biggest event if we realized that's ever happened to us, 613 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:15.039 if we realized that there is travel in in time, and that that would 614 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:19.920 have influenced our history. I'm getting off the point of the nuclear thing, 615 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:24.559 so let me get back to that of the government installations Livermore, Sandia, 616 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:32.800 Savannah River. So many of them have had strange events with UFOs maybe flying 617 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.960 over for a week or two and coming back. There's a nuclear installation in 618 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:52.880 um Nebraska, that Cooper Cooper Nuclear Plant that had a couple of weeks of 619 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:58.079 UFOs flying over, and they were the ones that got nearly flooded a couple 620 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:04.360 of years ago when the river over flowed. I think they were bothered by 621 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:09.880 a UFO before that a few years but there's just so many cases of of 622 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:19.000 UFOs and UAVs being interested in nuclear sights, military and civilian, and you 623 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:25.519 had got to wonder about that stored atomic radioactive waste that we're just building up 624 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:31.880 with not a thought I was gonna say too, their future human society may 625 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:37.559 not be I'm not saying it's wonderful, you know, with a star Trek 626 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:45.000 kind of vision. I hope it is. But they could be survivors or 627 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:51.400 um, you know, possibly almost live in space, which would account for 628 01:00:52.199 --> 01:01:00.880 radio for radiation damage too, because space is so hard on organic beings due 629 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:07.199 to radio activity. I don't hope there could be just a few hours left 630 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.599 for all I know. I'm not, you know, telling you what their 631 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:14.760 society is like. I don't know. Yeah, they could work those things 632 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.159 out to it. I mean, if we advanced it, if we advanced 633 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:21.360 in the future, we will figure out how to protect ourselves in space a 634 01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:27.320 little better than we have now. I would imagine. I had done for 635 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.920 a while some of the listeners to the show, and there's still a lot 636 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.880 on YouTube on this channel. I did a show called the Everything Else Show, 637 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.320 or I talk about other topics, and I had a lib how Levy 638 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:43.880 on the show of that show, and we talked about nuclear waste in the 639 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.719 future and all that, and I'm, you know, getting off the hope 640 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:51.880 my listeners allow me to get off the UFO topic for just a second here, 641 01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:55.880 and that is I have thought, you know, for many years that 642 01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.599 we are really playing with the mattress. As Stan Friedman used to say, 643 01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.400 he used to be more or less an advocate for what um, you know, 644 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.840 nuclear power would be and stuff like that. But what what has never 645 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:14.400 talked about or and you mentioned it, and that is the waste. We 646 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:22.119 actually are putting that burden on five thousand generations into our future for our selfish 647 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:28.159 needs for a hundred years and right. And I think it's it's just we 648 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.679 don't think about it. We always think of the short term. And you 649 01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:34.480 know, you've mentioned some things I'd never thought about. You know what, 650 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.920 if you know, there's a separation and people don't understand one hundred thousand years 651 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.320 from now where these things are, they're still they're still radioactive and they're still 652 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.800 dangerous. You know, the half life's go on and on and half right. 653 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:51.000 In fact, one hundred thousand years isn't even the longest half life. 654 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.320 No, it could be too gol yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's 655 01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:59.320 up. I just think that we are selfish and uh, we're not good 656 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.119 to our planet. That's you know, if there was only a way to 657 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:07.280 launch that up to the Sun, all the nuclear waste of the Sun would 658 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:13.719 be all set. Yeah, but not feasible, right, not feasible. 659 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.559 Yeah, so I agree. Yeah, And you know, it is really 660 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:22.679 something that there are so many, uh, there's so many encounters when it 661 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:28.480 comes to nuclear power and nuclear missile heads and and you know, warheads it 662 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:35.280 is and and all that. It's just really amazing and a small well it's 663 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.039 not small. Something you think about in the Great Plains is the tornadoes, 664 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:45.000 right, what if an F five tornado hits the Nebraska power plant or wherever 665 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:52.519 you know, Uh, and and the storms are getting worse, the number 666 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.239 of bad tornadoes or worse, and even I think the number of tornadoes in 667 01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:01.440 general. But there have been some really horrific tornadoes. I think more in 668 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:09.000 Oklahoma maybe than I It's been a little south, but we never think of 669 01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:15.760 that. Or the rising waters of I think they shut down Santinofrey in California. 670 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.519 It was right right on the ocean people surfing on the other side of 671 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:25.519 the freeway, and but they did shut it down to California's credit. Wow, 672 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:30.239 how about that? Interesting? I noticed that in your I think in 673 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.679 your book, do you mention the SoCoRo incident because we have up a lot 674 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.880 of times. We have Ray Stanford, who wrote the original book on that. 675 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:43.760 That's so good. Did you look into that case? I didn't personally, 676 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:48.159 but I have it in the book. Yeah, where I'm trying to 677 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.920 find it here Lonnie Zamora, right, I was trying to get his name 678 01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:01.480 for starters. Yeah. It was a sheriff or a Potroman and he saw 679 01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:06.239 a craft first in the air, and then he was kind of following it, 680 01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:12.440 and then he saw it had landed, and um was it too small? 681 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:15.480 Human noise got out. I'm still looking here where I that's why he 682 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:21.199 claimed he thought he saw and they were very small, like uh like he 683 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:27.039 thought they were children, liking coveralls, white coveralls, I believe. And 684 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.440 as soon as he showed up, they basically saw him, got scared and 685 01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:38.239 shot up, and you know, I think that's when he lost sight of 686 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:42.199 it. I don't know the exact details, so I'm kind of paraphrasing when 687 01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.440 I remember, yeah, I'm I'm almost there here, yeah, okay. 688 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.400 He lost sight of the object and the figures as he passed behind a hill, 689 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:56.840 and then he saw an egg shaped object. Let's say he glimpsed a 690 01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.920 shiny car size object on the ground about one hundred fifty yards away. Near 691 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:06.480 it stood two small figures in white overall coveralls, and he lost sight of 692 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:11.679 it figures. He passed behind a hill and then he saw an egg shaped 693 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:16.440 object standing on four legs. It displayed a peculiar insignia on its side, 694 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:23.559 something like an arrow pointing vertically from a horizontal base to a half council crown. 695 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:30.000 The two figures had disappeared and the object emitted an enormous roar. He 696 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.000 charged back to his car. He was frightened and ran back to his car. 697 01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:42.599 He glimpsed it over his shoulder and then Project Blue Book investigators found that 698 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:47.840 Officers Zamora had a reputation for integrity, and they examined what looked like landing 699 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:53.159 marks found on the desert floor. It was in New Mexico. In the 700 01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:57.039 middle of these marks was a burned area, apparently from the craft's exhaust, 701 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:01.519 so there was a bit of evidence left behind creosote bushes burn. Yeah, 702 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:08.079 I've gone into great detail with Ray Stanford because he was there shortly after he 703 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:13.400 had shown up, and he actually saw, you know, the landing marks 704 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.719 in that. He has quite the story to tell in that there was a 705 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:23.840 rock and I believe j al and Hynek was there and Ray just happened to 706 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.880 catch that. He saw a scrape of what looked like metal on a rock, 707 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.760 so he kind of waited. And if he's listening, he'll probably call 708 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:36.119 in and tell me I'm getting it wrong. But I believe he waited until 709 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:42.000 everyone was gone, and then he actually took the rock that had the scrape 710 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:46.440 on it. And that's a long story because he had the he had I 711 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:55.440 can't remember exactly what. It wasn't NASA or Goddard or it was some type 712 01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.119 of place like that that tried to scrape the sample. They were going to 713 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.400 leave the He was very he was very concerned about that they would scrape the 714 01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:10.880 entire sample off and he could never get anywhere with him. And when he 715 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.800 finally got the rock back, that's exactly what happened. It was completely straight 716 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:19.039 clean shoot. So he never really found out what that was for a metal 717 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:23.680 on there. So if Ray, if you were happening to be listening, 718 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.239 you want to call in and set the record straight. I know him kind 719 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.800 of probably leaving some of the facts out of it, but but that, 720 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:35.319 yeah, that is one of the really good cases, really really strong case 721 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:41.119 where you have such a man of integrity that has such an incredible sighting and 722 01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.920 there were other people that saw that, other witnesses that saw the saw the 723 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.279 craft, and there's a lot of people that were trying to spin it as 724 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.960 a hoax, but none of that held true. It's always been a very 725 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:59.920 solid case. In my book, I took older, solid cases that had 726 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:05.119 been thoroughly investigated and really stood up, and I did that on purpose, 727 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:13.399 rather than taking newer ones that might possibly have fake photos or And then also 728 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:18.760 I think there got to be a certain hysteria around abductions, and maybe rightfully 729 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:27.680 so, but I don't know. The earlier nineteen fifties and sixties abductions seemed 730 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:33.520 to not traumatize people quite as much. And you know whether that was a 731 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:38.880 different group. Of course, with future humans, you could have a group 732 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.640 of them from two hundred and fifty years in advance or even fifty years in 733 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.720 advance. It depends when we figure out time travel back, or they could 734 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:53.520 be from a million years in advance, because once you step out of time, 735 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:59.000 of course, you're not really from there, probably not from a year, 736 01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:01.039 but there would be different and phases. Or maybe they do still have 737 01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:08.239 years, but you probably wouldn't have a mixture of seventy five years ahead and 738 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:13.920 two million years ahead because they wouldn't have anything much in common either. So 739 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:24.279 um, now I forget my other point there. Anyway, what I was 740 01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:29.600 going to say after there's a more a case in my book I've got I 741 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:35.439 mentioned Leonard Stringfield's work, which seemed to always be again with just the small 742 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:47.079 humans. My friend Richard Hall Dick Hall, was the confidant of Leonard Stringfield, 743 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:54.279 So I got in on a few things that I didn't really get in 744 01:10:54.359 --> 01:11:00.159 on that many secrets that didn't that Leonard didn't put in his crash retrieval booklets. 745 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:04.960 But I got in on the fact that his confidants would were usually military 746 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:09.880 guards that had seen the bodies from crash saucers, and there seems to have 747 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:15.520 been more crashes than just Roswell, And then his informants would disappear. When 748 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:19.560 he tried to see him see them again, they wouldn't. He couldn't find 749 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:23.439 them, and that happened too. So I got in on some of the 750 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:29.680 trials and tribulations of it. But these guards would talk to him, and 751 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:35.520 they reported little humanoids that had been put into hastily prepared wooden crates. They 752 01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:42.359 appeared to be four feet tall. The witness said they were lying unshrouded on 753 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:49.159 a fabric. A number of air police stood silent guard around these crates. 754 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:55.680 That we're going to, write Patterson, so they could be autopsied. He 755 01:11:55.800 --> 01:12:01.279 got a glimpse of humanoid features, heads that were proportionately larger than the bodies, 756 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:08.960 at least to our perception. One head appeared to be hairless and narrow. 757 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.239 In other cases there was fuzzy, thin hair on the alien's heads. 758 01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:18.279 The eyes seemed to be open, the mouth small, while the nose, 759 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:24.279 if any, was indistinct. Of course, most of them have been burned 760 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:29.399 badly. The humanoids arms were positioned down alongside their bodies, but their hands 761 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:35.359 and feet were indistinct. In one case, a guard reported that he thought 762 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:41.239 one of them had a muscular chest, and it turned out to be the 763 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:47.920 bumps of a female's breast, and in another case one was said to be 764 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:55.880 still alive. They offered it oxygen, but it died. And their silver 765 01:12:56.039 --> 01:13:00.640 suits were not damaged, but had welded to their body because of the heat 766 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:06.319 from fires of the of the crash. And you know, Leonard Stringfield and 767 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:16.039 Richard Hall were very meticulous, respectable man. Uh the autopsy that turned out 768 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:20.600 to be a fake in the nineties, Um, no comparison. I mean, 769 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:30.399 they they were sincere and uh what they what Leonard reported, Um, 770 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.640 you know has been kind of verified in other ways too, I think with 771 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:39.000 right Patterson and uh, to me, that's that's an area that's kind of 772 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:45.560 not remembered much anymore and as some of the strongest evidence of ets. But 773 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:50.720 to me, it's also extra evidence for the fact that they're human, very 774 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:58.720 human if if they were you know, we were talking earlier about you know, 775 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:00.960 abductions. We've touched on that a couple of times. So what people 776 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:08.560 are now they're calling experiencers or experiences, I guess. But if let's just 777 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:14.640 take your thoughts on what you know, maybe we may be seeing us from 778 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:20.159 the future or future beings. Why would there be so much trauma reported in 779 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:25.319 a lot of you know what people are claiming happens to them when they're abducted. 780 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.960 I mean, wouldn't it make more sense that if it was us from 781 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:35.680 the future, that would be more gentle and more understanding with our I asked 782 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:43.920 the question in Heavy Fought, what terrible species would abduct human beings? One 783 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:51.119 answer is true, human beings would abduct human beings. We have committed genocide 784 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:59.680 on each other and still still are. We've enslaved each other. We've in 785 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:04.319 the case of the Native Americans, either genocide or driven them to either arid 786 01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:11.640 climates or very cold climates, and we kept the fertile land of Iowa. 787 01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:17.960 And so you know, man's inhumanity demand is endless. And possibly they're a 788 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:25.000 little more enlightened than we are because they seem to catch and release, and 789 01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:30.039 I think they would be or see. I think it's a military or quasi 790 01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:36.520 military unit, probably trained for time experiences to come back. I don't think 791 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:44.439 it's pedestrians on a vacation. I think it's a military trained thing, and 792 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:50.000 they are to be cold and distant and scary so that we don't really start 793 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:55.840 to chat or catch on to anything, And I think they need something from 794 01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:01.840 us because there are so many tissue samples and similar um possibly for DNA. 795 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:10.840 Maybe they're they we are having trouble with our too much nuclear radiation with with 796 01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:15.880 our DNA. UM. So I think the reason that they catch and release 797 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:23.039 and are frightening is because that's the way they're ordered to be. And well, 798 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.680 you know, for all we know they maybe a lot of it is 799 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:32.199 artificial intelligence that humans created. I don't think et that we need to think 800 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:39.680 ets create art you know, to me, it makes sense that that artificial 801 01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:47.000 intelligence might be lacking emotion unless you get into conscious artificial intelligence. UM. 802 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:54.119 But to me that that answers your question fairly fairly. Well all that I 803 01:16:54.199 --> 01:17:00.840 just said, yeah, um, so if the one thing I'm sure you've 804 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:05.520 heard a million times of the butterfly effect, Um, the next question I'd 805 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:12.000 say to you, like so that that just goes along. If if someone 806 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:16.479 alters the past, then they alter you know, perhaps um them selves being 807 01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:21.920 born. You know, you can alter one thing in the world basically, 808 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:27.119 and it may change some events that makes it so, uh, the world 809 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.439 doesn't happen the way it had. Um. That type of thing. If 810 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:33.159 you went back in time. And the one thing that I just think of 811 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:39.199 is, you know, they're not hiding um, They're not um. You 812 01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:44.560 know there there's you know a lot of people experiencing these things and and it 813 01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.640 seems like it would alter or it could alter the future. You know, 814 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:53.399 maybe not a UFO sighting, but maybe a UFO sighting. Could you know, 815 01:17:54.479 --> 01:18:00.840 the UFOs could have altered you know of things that has altered some things 816 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:02.840 right now as far as what the Navy is is doing and all that. 817 01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:10.640 Yeah, that gets into two physics to the Novokoff loop that doctor Sarfodi taught 818 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:16.640 me about. So I don't know right right, Yeah, what is that? 819 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.560 What is that you're talking about? It's uh Novakoff was an old Russian 820 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:25.920 in the eighteen hundreds that came up with this that physics does accept as as 821 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:34.319 fact that you it's a you can't change the future because if you think you 822 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:43.199 whatever you did, your you you did do it's you can't escape. In 823 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:48.600 other ways, you can't kill your grandfather because you exist, So it's a 824 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:55.640 non escape. I know. The multi worlds here this gets very says that 825 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.560 there are alternate dimensions, but whether we can actually get to the alternate dimension. 826 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:06.760 We may be locked in our original path and then other us would go 827 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:15.600 in the in the alternate dimensions. But novokof Loop says that it's almost like 828 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:24.720 a predestination that you are locked into. I'm not getting my definition wording exactly 829 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:29.640 right, but that you can't change the future because what you think changes the 830 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:34.960 future always happened. So I guess if you if you cause somebody looking at 831 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.760 the UFO to get run over by a bus, they would have been run 832 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:45.720 over by the bus anyway, so they really can't change the future. Wow, 833 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:53.319 that's my head hurts, so this mine? Wow, well interesting. 834 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.680 I'm going to open up the lines if anyone wants to call in ask our 835 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:03.319 guests a question of that number is eight five five four seven two five four 836 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:09.880 eight three And we do have a race screening call standing by, So if 837 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:13.600 anyone would like to call in and ask our guests a question a question, 838 01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:18.600 please do call. And speaking of that, and just a reminder to the 839 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:21.439 people that listen to the show, I'd love to have a lot of calls 840 01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:26.279 coming up on a show that's going to be just a listener show, only 841 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:31.119 it's It's Saint Patrick's Day. I hope that doesn't curtail anything, but it 842 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:36.920 is on March seventeenth, that's a Tuesday, at sixty eight pm Eastern Standard 843 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:41.199 time. Love to take your call and talk about sightings, so whatever you 844 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:46.239 want to speak about. So that's coming up on the seven seventeenth of next 845 01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:53.119 month, which next month is just in a couple of days. So yeah, 846 01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:57.600 that is that's interesting. So many paradoxes and things to think about when 847 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.680 you're when you're talking about time travel. I remember as a kid, as 848 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:04.119 a joke, I used to say, you know, I had a lot 849 01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:06.760 of corny, stupid things. I used to say. I do admit that, 850 01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:11.880 but I used to say that time travel would never happen because we don't 851 01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.840 see anyone from the future. Well maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe 852 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:20.159 we do. How do we know? Is that might be the question. 853 01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:24.399 But I don't think that they just come down. You know, you'll have 854 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:29.520 people on video that say, well, I'm a time traveler from and I'm 855 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:33.279 always really skeptical of that because I who was the guy that was saying he 856 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:38.960 was the time traveler, was really on art Bell and he went he was 857 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:44.479 on a bunch of him. No, I don't want to name somebody that 858 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.720 wrongly. No, it wasn't that. He had a type of what's that, 859 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:53.039 Oh, you got a couple of calls coming and race, I see 860 01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:56.720 it, But it was tighter, that's it. Tighter T T I T 861 01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:01.520 O R. Whatever happened to him? We know, we have some calls 862 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:06.800 coming in and they're just being screened right now, so I will take that 863 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:14.479 in just one second before we get into our next topic. But yeah, 864 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:19.199 that that guy was really really something. He was on a whole bunch of 865 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:25.000 shows and he had claimed all these things, and when it came right down 866 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:28.159 to it, um, he said that he was sent back because he was 867 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:33.119 sick or something. I can't remember exactly what that was, but I don't 868 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:39.000 know whatever happened to him. Well, to me, the beauty of my 869 01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:44.520 book is that it's just really connecting dots that we've never connected. And you 870 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.119 know, I don't say you got to believe that, but it's just something 871 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:51.880 that's been overlooked and I think it kind of makes sense to at least, 872 01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:58.640 you know, think about it. That's that's It's not a you know, 873 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:02.960 I'm not an expert on them. Really, I'm looking at it from where 874 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:08.760 I am here in the current place and thinking, gee, maybe it is 875 01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:14.560 us. Wow. Yeah, UM, so I don't know if we're having 876 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:19.600 issues with the phone. I'm taking a look at that now. Hopefully everything 877 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:24.079 is all set going on with that. But we do have a couple of 878 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:30.560 calls lined up just waiting for the go here to take them. Hu, 879 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:36.000 they keep hanging up. I wonder if they're hanging up on anyway. Um, 880 01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:41.039 yeah, you know these are these are all thoughts you can kick around. 881 01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.920 Of course, no one really knows the answer. It's just, uh, 882 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:54.560 it's just something to kick around. Um. Have you had a lot 883 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:58.439 of you said, you've communicated with a few people at least doctor Michael Masters, 884 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.399 Jack sar Fotty to a limited degree. We uh not, Jack, 885 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:11.239 Sorry, Jacques Valet to a limited degree. Jack Sarfanly and I talk every 886 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:15.840 day. We're kind of friends on email. But Jacques Valet gave permission to 887 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:20.920 use his paper, and I was I was very honored at that. Um, 888 01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:28.119 he said something here you can interrupt me if the call comes through. 889 01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:32.000 But I just wanted to quote he says, such from this paper in my 890 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:38.399 that's in the book. Such travelers could perform many of the physical feats abscribe 891 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:43.079 to you, you youth nuts, you've knots, and they could also manifest 892 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:48.159 simultaneously through what appears to us as different periods in our history. This hypothesis 893 01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:57.039 represents an updating of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which, in fact, who visits 894 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:01.039 us can be from anywhere in any time and could even originate from our own 895 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.800 Earth. And that's what he has always you know, he's he's mentioned fairies 896 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:12.960 and and things back in history, and then they updated themselves to spacecraft whatever 897 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:19.560 they are. But he doesn't disallow that there are future humans. That isn't 898 01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:28.680 his answer necessarily, but this quote does sort of describe future humans or could 899 01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:34.520 And he's involved now in venture capital with going to space, so he obviously 900 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:42.319 thinks there's a future that he's creating or participating in making, which is what 901 01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:49.239 doctor Sarfini feels too. Wow wow, really interesting. Yeah, chaque Is 902 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:55.319 is quite an interesting guy. I guess I'm going to tell the people the 903 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:59.439 phone. Uh, I'm not sure what's going on at the KGr A radio 904 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.079 race is working on it, so I will we'll pull the phones for right 905 01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:11.920 now. I was hoping this wouldn't happen. Again. But anyway, we're 906 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:15.119 rebooting the system is basically what it looks like, what is happening. So 907 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.960 callers, hang in there, we'll be we'll be back with asking you to 908 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:23.640 call in in a few minutes. So just hang in there and we'll let 909 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:30.359 you know how that. I was interested in the fact that Travis Walton saw 910 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.880 small beings who he was scared of. At first, he had been hit 911 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:42.000 on the head or zapped with the ray from the ship or the energy hit 912 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:46.640 him and he had a head injury, and he really attacked or freaked out 913 01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:51.279 at these little beings. I think they were kind of insect like, and 914 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:59.359 I remembered in hypnosis two little beings or little I guess, small humans that 915 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:04.880 got me to where this one might call him my special one, because he 916 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:09.720 didn't give me his name. I don't aim it as a huge endearment, 917 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:13.920 but I didn't. I that's what I referred to him at. One of 918 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.199 the little beings that seemed to get me to where I was supposed to go 919 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:23.720 was had a more insect like look about him, kind of like an Iowa 920 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:31.319 grasshopper. But so Travis sort of attacked or started to these little beings and 921 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:38.720 they just stood there. And then that's when the few the golden humans. 922 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:44.640 That term uh kind of annoying for some reason. But anyway, the almost 923 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:51.159 perfect looking humans showed up and apparently saved him, did something medically. They 924 01:27:51.199 --> 01:28:00.680 took him somewhere. And so my experience matches Travis's and that I in hypnosis. 925 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:05.319 I remembered the small beings also, I don't remember them consciously, but 926 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:13.840 the being I met, the guy was would be considered a golden human. 927 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:18.439 He wasn't a tall, tall human. Uh, he just had casual hair. 928 01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:26.560 I mean, he wasn't military like he was. But his eyes were 929 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.560 different and I believe, you know, in Travis's the illustrations of Travis's experience, 930 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:38.239 Uh, those also had kind of different eyes almost why a wide set 931 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:44.760 really wide set and may be kind of translucent. Hmmm. I've talked to 932 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:48.960 I've Travis has been on the show a number of times that I've actually talked 933 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:54.800 to him at an event. We hung out together for um quite a while, 934 01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:59.319 and actually, uh, he's very intelligent in in well spoken, and 935 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:04.680 and we got into talking about all different topics, but asking him about you 936 01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:08.600 know, first of all, about the beings, the small ones that you 937 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:14.960 mentioned. Um, he said, the eyes were were just incredible. Something 938 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:17.920 about their rise was just incredible, like the way they stared at him, 939 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:25.039 and huh yeah, I don't remember there, so, huh what were they 940 01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:29.520 the big goggling almost like they had black goggles on, because I wondered if 941 01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:33.199 maybe they did had black goggles. The really dark black eyes were a really 942 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:38.760 large yeah, yeah, yeah, And then he said, then he said 943 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:45.680 that the the ones you're talking about, the other ones, he said, 944 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.399 they were absolutely beautiful people. He said, I don't know how else to 945 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:53.960 describe it. They were just amazingly beautiful people. But they said never forget 946 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.640 them. He thought he was. He thought he was saved, and then 947 01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:01.399 to find out, you know, they they wouldn't talk, and that really 948 01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:04.920 puzzled him. But they did save him. I actually didn't, didn't he 949 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:09.880 say that with At least that's what I've ran. I have never were friends 950 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:13.319 on Facebook, but I've never chatted with him. I believe he said that 951 01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:17.319 they put a mask on him. I maybe getting that wrong. Had a 952 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:21.319 head injury or uh yeah. Oh, that's the part you're talking about. 953 01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:28.359 Is when he was talking about the fact that he believes that he was actually 954 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:34.960 this was a rescue mission. That's what you mean when he get sapped by 955 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:41.199 the light, that's yeah, he thinks, yeah, yeah, all right, 956 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.119 we're going to try to take this call. Cross your fingers everyone. 957 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.760 Okay, looks like we have Andrew calling again from Connecticut. Andrew you on 958 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:53.159 the line. Yes, Hi, can you punch my frequent caller card first? 959 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:59.159 I don't know what that'll get you, but yes, okay. So 960 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:05.479 my question for Diane is just is she familiar with a theory and I think 961 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:12.359 this might have been first proposed by maybe John Keel, that our dimension is 962 01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:16.800 you know, length, breadth, width, and time, and we are 963 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:26.880 all the molecules in our dimension are vibrating at one frequency and this dimensions vibrated 964 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:31.079 other frequencies, and that that's one of the mysteries we see or phenomenon with 965 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:39.680 UFOs. There's do you come across that you find that that's probably one of 966 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:48.159 the more valid theories on how these interdimensional creatures or craft come and go. 967 01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:55.359 Yes, I would wonder, Yes, I do think it sounds one of 968 01:31:55.399 --> 01:32:02.000 the more valid um Do you think that they can actually do nuts and bolts 969 01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:11.119 or hands on like tissue samples or the landing mark the actual evidence throughout the 970 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:17.760 years. Would other dimensional beings be able to interact with our dimension that much? 971 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:24.640 Or do we just see them in the I wonder that, Yeah, 972 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:30.239 but who knows. I guess yeah, I've I've heard it. I've heard 973 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:36.640 it theorized that they can enter our dimension and stay briefly, but that it's 974 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:44.840 harmful to them to stay long term because their molecules and on aren't aren't tuned 975 01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:50.800 to this frequency, right, That's why they can't stay. I think when 976 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:58.800 you look at modern physics and all the different fields out there, that they're 977 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:03.199 constantly um studying and expanding our knowledge, that that's that is one of the 978 01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:12.439 more valid theories. Um. What one analogy he gave Jesus John Keel was 979 01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:17.279 that we're like fishing a river and we can um swim anywhere we want in 980 01:33:17.319 --> 01:33:20.359 our river and go up, go down, look all over the place, 981 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:25.840 but we're stuck in the river, and the other creatures can leave the river 982 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.800 and walk up to a top the top of a mountain, look around, 983 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:34.039 and then come back into the river wherever they choose. And that I felt 984 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:41.880 that really stuck with me. Yeah, I that would seem one of the 985 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:46.039 more valid to me too. I guess i'd say, having been talking a 986 01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:54.520 lot with um doctor Sarfai, that if we could get the formula for time 987 01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:59.399 travel, it's almost you know, Okham's razor that says the least number of 988 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:03.880 assumption is the right answer. Well, it's a very big one assumption that 989 01:34:04.039 --> 01:34:08.640 we'll be able to go back in time. I will. But Einstein never 990 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:14.479 said it's impossible, So I guess for me, I would think that was 991 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:19.920 maybe more more likely. But it could be both, or I could be 992 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:25.760 wrong. That's entirely possible, and I think your theory is a good one. 993 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:31.560 Great good. That's about what I thought you'd say. Okay, Andrew, 994 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.119 thanks a lot, and don't forget the seventeenth you have to save me. 995 01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:39.279 Andrew saved my call where I was going to have to cancel the show 996 01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:43.760 and we talked for quite a while, so I don't forget that, Andrew, 997 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:45.760 So thank you. Okay, guys, all right, all right, 998 01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:50.880 good night, all right, we have on the line. We have Ward 999 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:57.800 Ward calling from Florida. Welcome to the show. Ward, Well back you 1000 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:01.159 and hello everybody. Hello, right, you have a question for our guest 1001 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:06.039 tonight, Yes, I do, well, and maybe you two. I've 1002 01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:12.199 had a lot of synchronicities. I mean it's they've been blowing up. Um. 1003 01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:15.159 Used to be every once in a while. Now I mean getting like 1004 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:21.600 maybe twenty a day. And I saw in a different video that this is 1005 01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:26.680 happening all over the place. But then when I contact with somebody else, 1006 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:30.439 they said, no, it's not happening to them. Is she having any 1007 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:36.840 kind of synchronicities or you or is it just something that you know really isn't 1008 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:45.399 happening. I have synchronicities fairly often with my best friend of over forty years 1009 01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:53.439 who lives in California. As far as synchronicities happened, I mean here I 1010 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:58.760 am out in rural Iowa. There's almost nobody to bounce it off of to 1011 01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:06.359 find out if I've not. But yes, I certainly had them fairly often, 1012 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:12.720 not not as often as you're saying, yeah it has. It hasn't 1013 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:16.960 ramped up because it used to be a I'm sorry, I just had something 1014 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:20.319 in my mouth. It used to be that, Um, I was getting 1015 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:24.079 them every once in a while. And yes, I would think of something 1016 01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:26.800 and I hear my daughters say it, or my mother say it, or 1017 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:30.359 person on line safe, but now it seems to all be like electronic word. 1018 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:34.960 Um. I'll be thinking of something, or I'll have like two things 1019 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:39.640 going. I'll have my radio going and the TV going, and at the 1020 01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:45.960 same exact time, the uh, the radio says washing machine, all of 1021 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:51.319 a sudden, the TV says washing machine. And it happens constantly, constantly, 1022 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:57.560 and I just never saw it so crazy like this before. I'm just 1023 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.600 trying to figure out is something coming or you know, what's going on. 1024 01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:06.119 I've certainly had it happened. I know what you're saying, but not as 1025 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:11.000 frequently. What about you, Martin? I did I think? I did 1026 01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:14.520 you know? At one time I did? I did, I did notice, 1027 01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:17.319 But um I do I do. Thank you for the call, Ward, 1028 01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.800 appreciate it. Okay, all right, all right. Next we have 1029 01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:27.920 we have Brock on the line from Dayton, Ohio. Isn't that near, 1030 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:32.119 right, Patterson? Right? Patterson? Brock? How are you that is? 1031 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.640 I'm good right, paths like ten minutes from here, so ah, 1032 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:42.079 yeah, how are yeah? Welcome to the show. Yeah. So, 1033 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:46.199 I guess I was wondering, like kind of along the lines what Andrew was 1034 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:51.560 saying, UM, regarding like these aliens being able to kind of dip in 1035 01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:58.159 and dip out of time. UM. I was wondering like if if Diane 1036 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:03.359 thought that maybe they were like higher dimensional beings in that you know, like 1037 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:09.960 a fourth or fifth dimensional being could see like perceive the passing of time like 1038 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:18.239 we perceive like width heights and yeah, but like if you get to like 1039 01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:23.840 higher level, like like up to like seven, eight, even nine dimensional, 1040 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:27.199 it's like not only can you see the passing of time, but you 1041 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:32.000 can also see like different alternate universes, you know, where things like say 1042 01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:39.680 where different events happen and it creates like a different timeline and likes, these 1043 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:46.199 higher dimensional beings and this maybe is how they navigate through spacetime as they can 1044 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:50.199 perceive like these different timelines and stuff, and they're kind of moving back and 1045 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:57.720 forth between these different timelines and different paths and futures. I don't know, 1046 01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:03.199 is that something you thought, yeah, that could that could be? I 1047 01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:09.520 guess. Um. There's there's two sides sort of to the UFO issue. 1048 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:17.479 There's subjective and metaphysical um, and then there's object even scientific um. Like 1049 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:27.000 I know, uh, doctor Sarfati, who's a really aggressive science thinker, 1050 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:31.560 would say, well, that doesn't match our knowledge of of what we know, 1051 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:36.000 but then there's a lot we don't know. But on the subjective side, 1052 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:42.640 I'll just say that what you're saying is subjective. There's no it sounds 1053 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:49.920 like a a metaphysical explanation, which could be valid. I mean, metaphysics 1054 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:56.079 in itself is a deep topic, and I know it goes into ten and 1055 01:39:56.159 --> 01:40:02.439 eleven dimensions in all but U it's it's not science as we know it today. 1056 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:10.319 Uh and um, I've certainly I respect it. I don't know if 1057 01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:18.720 I believe exactly that, but who knows. Interesting, wow, well, 1058 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:27.119 kind of a we're two sides of a coin. We're scientific and we're spiritual, 1059 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.479 and then metaphysics would be on the spiritual side, science, logic, 1060 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:38.439 even practicality on the other side, and to be and humans are both science 1061 01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:47.880 and spirit very good anything else, brock um, not at this time. 1062 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:51.920 No, thanks for taking you, bet, thank thank you, Thanks for 1063 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:59.680 calling in. We have now Julian is calling from Quebec. Hey, Julian, 1064 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:03.680 Yes, sir, mister Martin, can you hear me? I can 1065 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:10.000 hear you? Well, yes, so you are north of me? Yeah, 1066 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:14.479 yeah, all right, that's okay. Um, look listen. Um. 1067 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:18.560 Sorry if my English like pretty bad, I'm like, no problem, 1068 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:24.000 Oh all right, um lazy, I've been. I've been like listening those 1069 01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:30.600 story about Linda Moulton Howe with those Antarctica like deep story and things, those 1070 01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:35.039 those caves and everything that. Anyway, when you listen to her, it's 1071 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:41.439 like a big, big major a big major picture. But I think I 1072 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:46.520 feelt like those things might be coming from an original story like Bussige Mounting. 1073 01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:51.479 I don't know if you hear, if you if you heard about Busigi Mounting 1074 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:57.279 Martin. I was wondering if you heard about it, because it seems like 1075 01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:01.560 the same story. No, I'm not. I may just not understand the 1076 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:08.000 what is the name of the mountain? Want one more time? It's called 1077 01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:12.279 Busige Mountain. No, I'm not familiar with that. That doesn't ring a 1078 01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:16.880 bell really m hmm okay, oh well, oh wow, well that was 1079 01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:24.159 my question. Actually, certainly, certainly Antarctica is intriguing. Um, I'll 1080 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:28.760 just add that, Yeah, you know they're talking about this this, this, 1081 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.680 I mean where I am um right now, I'm thinking about all those 1082 01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:41.640 things seems to be related to some kind of inner her civilization somewhere I can't 1083 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:46.119 and there's something out there, some kind of intelligence, but I'm trying to 1084 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:50.359 figure where where it could be standing. You know, if they have like 1085 01:42:50.399 --> 01:43:00.000 those super massive those engines able to move like speed. Um anyway, It's 1086 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:04.119 like it's like if you have a super super engine that can move light speed, 1087 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:08.720 if you leave your home planet with light speed, you can come back 1088 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:13.479 that home planet. You're you're your plan your time phase is completely different. 1089 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:19.119 You're like, just if you're alien super advent species off your planet with a 1090 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:25.119 light speed experience, you're like trying to deal with different other planets too, 1091 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:29.479 you know. That's where That's where I am. I'm just like thinking about 1092 01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:32.039 all this, like I was like some kind of super advential onion alien race 1093 01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:39.479 with this kind of light speed technology of my own planet. What would have 1094 01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:44.439 What would I do? Exactly? I'm gonna leave you with that, Martin 1095 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:47.680 lights to see you as a plower. All right, Thanks for the call, 1096 01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:54.439 Thanks for single show. All right, Well, any any thoughts on 1097 01:43:54.479 --> 01:44:03.279 any of that. I loved it people search and enjoy thinking about it and 1098 01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:11.640 m it kind of works in with what I really want of my main mission 1099 01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:16.960 in my book. It isn't to persuade everybody that it's us from fifty years 1100 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:23.880 in advance or or a millionaires in advance. It's more that I think we've 1101 01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:29.840 kind of dug ourselves a h We're in an abyss, currently in a mini 1102 01:44:29.960 --> 01:44:36.199 dark age, and I want our human spirit to reawaken when when Buzz and 1103 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:42.279 um Neil walked on the moon, the whole world stopped and watched them. 1104 01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:47.760 And we're a species it needs to reach out. We do so much kind 1105 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:56.119 of bickering and dickering here and social media and computers, we've gotten so much 1106 01:44:56.199 --> 01:45:00.720 kind of into ourselves. We need challenges. I don't want to sound like 1107 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:04.159 JFK, but we need to do it because it's hard, not because it's 1108 01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:10.560 easy. And if we if we imagine something, it usually comes about, 1109 01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:15.399 whether it's fire or airplane. And I think we'll get the key to time 1110 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:19.199 travel. But even if we don't, we're going to go on into the 1111 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:28.239 future until we don't, and we need to reawaken our connection to you know, 1112 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:34.680 ancestors inspire us. Maybe a great great aunt survived the Irish famine came 1113 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:40.000 over to Ellis Island. That's an inspiration to a woman today. To be 1114 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:45.239 strong, and there's a bridge also to our descendants, and we've totally ignored 1115 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:49.279 that. Nobody even think. I mean, we love our grandchildren, but 1116 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:54.279 that's as far as we go. We've kind of severed that link to the 1117 01:45:54.359 --> 01:46:00.960 future. And my main mission is just to get that across a lot of 1118 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:04.079 times. You know, we we forget just a couple of generations away. 1119 01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:08.720 We have no idea what that was about, you know, ahead of us, 1120 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:14.039 that's right, until you know, there's a genealogy study. Now the 1121 01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:17.159 Internet is really a wonderful tool for that, but you know, prior to 1122 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:20.760 that, it was you know, it was just looking up records and you 1123 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:25.079 know, no details of someone's life. You know, that's all just kind 1124 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:30.199 of gone in the abyss unless someone has a documented it. But anyway, 1125 01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:34.000 so where can someone find your book? It came out what was it the 1126 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:39.520 first of February. Yes, hey, it's on Amazon, both kindle and 1127 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:47.000 paperbagh and it's only fifteen dollars and got five zero dollars or fifteen dollars fifteen 1128 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:53.000 My moth is getting tired. Well you can rest it now. We're at 1129 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.920 the end of our show. Thank you so much. Okay, I was 1130 01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.720 going to say that if they wanted a newsletter, go to my website earth 1131 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:06.039 Change Prediction dot com and contact me that way, and thank you. I 1132 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:10.960 enjoyed it, all right, excellent, all right everyone, So thanks very 1133 01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:14.800 much for listening tonight and we will be back next week with Dave Marler, 1134 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:18.199 and I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show and remember to 1135 01:47:18.279 --> 01:47:42.000 keep your eyes to the sky.