Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host and tonight's
show, we have Diane Testament coming up in just a minute. But at
first a few things. We actually had to switch Dave Marler. He was
supposed to be on tonight, but he had a work commitment, so we
had to swap him out for next week, so we can look forward to
that next week on March third, Dave Marler will be here then. So
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A couple of things in the UFO news several days ago, I got a
number of emails from listeners pretty excited about a cone shaped UFO that was filmed
by NASA at the International Space Station. You can see that online. I'm
not really sure. I'm not going to say, well, I guess right
now it is an identified flying object. But I know that, you know,
they launched some cube SATs before and people thought they were you know,
UFOs and all that. You know, what I'm getting at is that it
may be something explainable, and I we just keep an eye on that.
We may find out in the future what that was, or maybe it will
continue to be a UFO, And if I find out anything about that,
maybe I'll mention something next week. If new evidence comes along to the answer
for what that is, it may already be answered. But I couldn't find
anything myself. So our friends over at the Drive the war Zone the Drive,
Tyler Rogaway has been on the show, but his co author over there
has written a great story about the continuation of the Colorado mystery drones, and
we've talked about that a few times. Then the author of this article as
Brett Tingley, and he put out a story yesterday that emails obtained through a
foyer a Freedom of Information Act show that security forces and officials at Fie Warren
Air Force Base were just as perplexed with the drones as the public is.
So in conclusion, this may not have been what most people thought the answer
for those drones were. They may not be military drones after all, So
check out that story over at the Drive dot Com. Tonight's guest a Diane
Testament. In the mid nineteen seventies, Diane was a field investigator with the
Aerial Phenomena Research Organization APRIL and Florida State section director for move On. But
anyway, I'm going to bring a runch we're gonna be talking about her book
called Future Humans and UFOs Time for New Thinking. Diane, welcome to the
show. I'm pleased to be here. And you are in We were talking
just before the show. You are you're in the middle of the country.
You're in the Iowa. Yes, I'm on the border in Minnesota, but
I'm in Iowa. Uh huh. And you're in corn country fields and fields
of corn. That's what I remember. And I'm not going to get her
right off the bat and ask about crop circles, but eventually that might come
up. Okay, So can you tell the listening audience out there a little
bit about yourself? Yes, well, I was a school teacher for eleven
years. I taught English as a second language in Saint Thomas, Virgin Islands
in Florida. I had always been interested in UFOs for a personal reason.
I had two encounters when I was quite young. I guess you could call
them abductions. They were. They changed my life, but I have no
regrets. They were not super frightening or super super awful. They were actually
amazing. Apparently a membrane in my mouth was taken as a tissue sample.
So I started very young, you know, looking at the stars and wondering,
and when I moved to California, I couldn't get into teaching. There
was a recession on and also I didn't have my master's degree. So I
started a spiritual newsletter that is still going with messages of well predicted global climate
chaos and storms and other things that have unfortunately come true. But I've always
wanted to work on the science speculative side of things too, and I have
written a book of Future Humans and the UFOs that is logical and science speculation.
It's not spiritual, as several of my other books have been. I've
lived in Ireland for five years and looked into celt shamanism and Irish herbal medicine.
Lived in Giant Rock, California for two years, actually Joshua Tree,
but Giant Rock was nearby, and that's where George van Tassel used to gather
large crowd and summoned the ets down, and that was in the fifties and
sixties. I wasn't a part of that. I was there in the later
nineties, but that is an interesting area. So I've Southern California had several
good UFO sidings and synchronicities and strange things going on there. So I've lived
in interesting places and I came back. I came back to my native I
woke where my encounters took place twenty three years ago, bought ten acres,
and I've let it become natural as the Lakota perhaps would have had it in
the middle of all the corn. And I have a cat sanctuary and a
wildlife refuge and three big dogs that are just my three big dogs. They're
not part of the But I have fifty one cats currently. Oh did you
say that one more time? I must have understood you. Fifty one.
But I have a big barn that's heated, Dick barn. They're not all
in the house. I have a new cabin as well for the sanctuary.
And then every season but Winner, I've got ten acres for him. So
this county has no shelter, so people dumped them here. I spay neuter
another one shows up, and for twenty three years it's been kind of the
third act of my life. I've actually enjoyed it. And I get donations
from people mostly who read still read my spiritual newsletters, which are still going
on even though I've written a more objective book. Now. Wow, well,
I can tell you're a kind person right off the bat. You're talking
about a sanctuary there for these cats. I do have to make an announcement
though, because Bobby and the chat room reminded me. He sent me a
text I forgot all out. They had explained that, um, that filming
over at the International Space Station that actually was a CubeSat deployment, and then
someone someone added a video, a CGI video to make it look uh,
you know, to make it a hoax or something. So that is no
longer a UFO what I had mentioned earlier, and I apologize for even bringing
it up. But maybe a lot of people have been thinking it's a UFO,
and now they'll know that it's not any longer a UFO. It was
a cube SAT deployment. So um, so you had it. You had
what you think was an an abduction experience at a young age. Yeah,
to two of them, one it was the golden age of abductions. Of
somebody's knocking at the door. Are you saying that this is an abduction right
now? No? This isn't okay? Can you should I just go tell
them to go away. That's all right, I'll talk for me. You
go ahead, go ahead, just don't get abducted. Just make sure you
come back, Okay, I'll be right back, all right, okay,
all right everyone. So yeah, that's a little embarrassing that I went ahead
with the story. I actually did look for about fifteen minutes online to see
if I could find out what the answer was to UM that NASA filming at
the International Space Station. Hi, I'm back, You're back. So it's
also it was the ups man bringing something from Amazon. I thought it might
have been one of your cats or something. But all very good. So
we right before you went to answer, you were talking about, UM,
you had two of what you think you were abductions when you were young,
and so go ahead. The first one at age four, I have been
regressed with doctor Leo Leo sprinkle uh, and had was hypnotically regressed. But
I have a few conscious memories of that, and I was The conscious memories
are I was sitting on an earthlike park bench. This man sat down about
a foot from me. My legs were swinging off the bench because it was
taller than my legs were, and I was watching a hologram like thing,
a swirling. It reminds me a little of the movie theaters when they used
to show different colored lights that kept going across before the film started, pastel
colors swirling. And I now wonder if maybe that kept me calm, because
I never freaked out. I was that kind of a little kid. I
was an observer. I was smart, but I I just sat there and
I don't know why I wasn't more scared. He spoke to me, probably
in telepathy, but I'm not sure of that, and the words that I
think he told me quite a bit, but the words that I remember is
we are from your future. Now, I know he could have been lying,
he could have been a shape shifter or something like that. But I
have spent my life both objectively and subjectively looking into this seeing, you know,
trying to figure out was he telling the truth, And my conclusion in
this book is that he probably was. But that isn't what I based the
book's logical on. That's just my personal feeling. And then there was a
second abduction that I don't I haven't been regressed on hypnology with hypnosis, and
all I remember is that we went up to Eagle Lake, Ontario, and
there are a lot of UFOs around the Canadian lakes, we being my family.
We were going to have a family get together with uncle and aunt and
there two boys, and Mom left me alone in the cabin, which was
kind of unusual, and this same man came in the door rather quickly.
I was I was alone, and he said, do you remember Are you
scared? Are you afraid? And I said no, And he said do
you remember me? I said yes, And that's the last I know of
that when I have no recollection of any of it, but my would be
proof. I wouldn't, you know, stake my life on it. But
I am missing that entire membrane that's between your gum and your your inside of
your upper lip. Sometimes they slid it. I've I've researched all this.
When a baby's born, if it isn't suckling very well, they'll they'll slid
it. But this is just clean removed. And you know, I first
noticed it when I was about nine years old, falling around with makeup,
and it was on the outside. I noticed a very thin scar and I
thought, well, did I hurt myself on my tricycle? When did this
happen? My parents, both very attentive, said no, they didn't know.
And I asked him separately and together. I asked a plastic surgeon once
and he says, well, it looks like a laser scar. Well,
this was nineteen fifty two. But then as the years went by, I
figured out it was actually inside that was the missing part, and it showed
through or somehow made a small scar on the outside. So, you know,
even if there is a mundane reason for that, to me, my
abductions are still valid. I mean, you know, other people have abductions
without evidence, that is that clear. But anyway, I uh, that's
something that is I feel like, well, you know it's right. The
evidence is right under your nose. Was a message that I can kind of
receive, and I've always been driven to. I've always favored the idea of
time travelers being either the total answer to UFO occupants or perhaps ets or other
dimensionals. I'm not sure what other dimensionals means. It's not really a scientific
People always say, well, it could be other dimensionals, but you know,
ets could visit us. I'm not saying they don't. But I have
to smile when people sort of resist the time traveler the future human idea.
They believe so easily that some something from a far, far distant planet.
Well, of course it's here, but they're not as easily. I don't
know if they think we didn't go on if we became extinct, but if
we do go on, we're going to make strides in science. We're making
huge strides right now in science. This is the golden age, they say,
of science. Not spiritual but science. So, you know, I
don't know quite why it's such. People resisted that it's future humans, and
to me, there's a lot of logic that it is. Well, you
know, I wonder about that as well. You know, for instance,
you know you're mentioning perhaps you know, future time travelers or whatever. I've
I've thought about that. You know, you've got to think also that ninety
nine percent of species on this planet have gone extinct, and you know,
the way we're heading is not too pretty. I don't think, um,
but and there's a large amount of extinctions, much higher. It's incredible per
year right now. I forget how many species are are gone per year,
but it's a lot. It's kind of scary right now. But um,
you I saw in your book you have a chapter I believe on Michael doctor
Michael Masters. And yes, Yeah, he's a he's a past guest,
and actually we communicate a bit here and there. He's a fun guy,
nice guy. I do too. I agree, Yeah, we do too.
I just had an email from him. Uh yeah, he I've got
a whole chapter that is his, and a whole chapter of Jacques Belat,
and a whole chapter of Jack sar Foy. Um what Mike Masters, who
is a fun and evolutionary anthropologist, and several other titles. And he's an
academic and at a big tech university. M Yeah, he says. The
ubiquity, the commonness, or the number of reports describing humanoid and human like
individuals is overwhelming, and I bring that up too. I've got a list
that m. Richard Hall made way back in the sixties and seventies. And
I actually dated Richard Hall. He was much older, but I got I
got some UFO secrets from him. He was the MW Fund editor, MW
Fund Journal editor, and he edited UFO evidence that is still well thought of.
Anyway, back to Mike Masters, he says, taking into consideration their
reported relative humanness, it is highly improbable that another planet with different gravity,
different chemistry distance from its son with ever and so forth, there's more differences.
Would ever developed bipedal humanoid life that would look, act, and talk
so much like us, or that it would they would arise on a planet
near enough to allow for mutual contact and communication. You know, we're used
to thinking of aliens, those are Hollywood actors that are humans playing them.
But then the UFO field comes up with tall Nordics and golden humans. Now
the guy I met Hollywood guy who was probably a golden human. He had
amber colored eyes that were almost translucent, and outside of that he was apparently
a human. I don't know if it was artificial intelligence or what, but
anyway, on with what Mike said, I keep interrupting Mic here. Furthermore,
given the tremendously long history in the U universe, it's highly improbable that
such a civilization would arise at the same time as us, be so much
like us, but also have just slightly more advanced technology that happens to be
so similar to our own. The tic TACs and the jet planes very different
and yet kind of playing a game of top gun with each other. When
you think of how different some machine from a far distant planet might be,
the tic TACs to me, they're raising a lot of the time traveler interest
right now because they do somehow seem sort of familiar. So the final thing
for Mike masters in thinking about the statistical improbability of this scenario, we must
ask whether hybrid desation hybridization would be possible with such coincid dental et aliens.
We can't produce with our closest living reality, which is the chimpanzee, with
whom we share ninety eight point seven percent of our DNA, and so it
seems unfathomable that we could ever produce with the with an et from an entirely
different, distant planet. I understand, I understand what you're saying. You
know, you could argue some of what Michael you were quoting some of the
things he said. You know, evolutionary, you look at other species that
have evolved. I know, you know the different gravities and things. I
do understand different type of species would evolve different ways and things like that.
But you know, you have a lot of not not bipedal, but you
have quadrupeds, and you have the two eyes two years. Everything is made
for dimensional work and survival and things like that. So UM, I don't
know. I think you know, two eyes two years. Uh, that
type of thing, um works and uh in a lot of evolution, M
but but it is it is interesting to uh. You know. One of
the things you also said is the timing. The timing is something that UM,
a lot of people or I wouldn't think about, but it really is.
I mean the timing of how something evolves. And two right now.
You know, like I talked about earlier, so many things have become extinct.
UM, A lot of civilizations probably have never made it, you know,
to a high level, to a higher level of intelligence, or maybe
they have, but at so many different times this could have happened because you
know, we're a young planet for one thing. So yeah, it's all
fascinating, it is. It's fun too. Yeah, it's it's one of
those things that it's really interesting to go into. And it hasn't really been
thought of as far as the future humans. It isn't a very popular subject.
I guess it's had it's arisen and fallen again throughout upology, but in
recent years it hasn't. Jacques Valet was actually kind of persecuted for coming for
saying, well, it could be something closer to Earth that's in the UFOs.
That's right. So we are at our first break. We're actually going
to go into a real break at this time, and we'll be right back.
Hello, and welcome back. I'm Martin Willis, your host and my
guest Tonight's Diane Testament. And we were talking just before we went in to
break a Diane about extinction and Michael doctor Michael Master's thoughts and um, you
know, I do understand why someone would think a couple of different things,
and I've said it a number of times on the show. I don't want
to be too redundant, but you know, why would we be so special
that we'd be visited? If there are so many possibilities of intelligent life out
there mathematically, you know what makes us special enough? One person I mentioned
that too, said water. Water is rare to have as much as we
do. And maybe that's true. I don't know, but it's not.
It's not that rare. Look at all the moons of Saturn and even Pluto
has an ocean. I mean, you'd have to get to it through the
eyes, but it water seems to be amazingly in the Solar system, more
than we thought it was. Again, not quite as lovely as Earth and
available, and it's really a puzzle how how it got here? Two you
know, possible comments. They don't really know exactly how water arrived here Earth,
but it's here in abundance seventy some odd percent of the planet. Pretty
amazing, right, Yeah, yeah, So what made you decide to write
this book in general? My years of being a UFO investigator, my years
of chasing UFOs with friends, and just it changed my life when I was
so young that it probably did make me a different person. I've never really
had the same goals as many people, or many women have, but I've
had a very adventuresome life, having moved to Ireland and on a shoestring,
I never had any money, and you know, all that is somehow connect
and it just suddenly seemed to be time and the book kind of wrote itself.
It wrote very quickly, and I was so pleased when Phil Mantles said,
well, let's do it. I had I'd proposed another book, sort
of a biography to him, and he says, well, no, I'm
sorry, I don't think so. So a couple of months later I came
back and I thought, why haven't I really said that I'll do this book
before. This is my topic. Ree, like, this is my book,
and he says, well, let's do it. So it's the right
time with that old time again. It's time is involved. Yeah, yeah,
let's let's go. Let's rewind a little bit into your background, if
that's okay with you. I want to talk about We do have a lot
of new listeners to this show, and a lot of them may not be
familiar with the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization APPRO. Can you talk about about that
organization and what it was like? Yeah? It Uh. Jim and Coral
Lorenzen, husband and wife team in Arizona, ran it and they were known
for doing really good investigations and at that time, Moufon was just uh,
it wasn't what it is now. It was smaller, but it was kind
of still the the main one. And then APPRO was was sort of them,
I don't want to say, more respected, but the a little bit
um more painstaking and close, more closely shepherded along by Coral and Jim than
Moufon was. And I was state Section director with UM Moufon for only about
two years in Florida and then moved to California. So that that ended that,
but move on with or APPRO was very demanding as to what you know
how to investigate and to get the arc of the sky right where the UFO,
where the person at, what arc was it? And and uh which
was always a pain in the neck to me because I'm not all that technical.
But um, yeah, there were some interesting cases. Um, do
you recall any you'd like to talk about? Uh? I, while I
I'd kind of like to mention one that that's strange with my brother, This
wasn't an APPRO case, but I kind of want to get it in because
it's kind of food for thought. Um. At the time I was abducted,
my my brother was ten years older than me, so I was for
he would have been fourteen, and my mother said, don't go into Norman's
room. He's got a baseball beat and a knife. And he wasn't like
that. Usually he didn't have, you know, tons of nightmares. And
when we talked to Norman, or when my parents did, he said,
three little men he named Moho and Poe were chasing him. And he bought
that in. He was fourteen, and yet he bought it into his waking
day to defend himself and it had been. He called it a nightmare or
ongoing nightmare. Now I don't think it was ongoing even I think he had
one or two nightmares and felt he had to arm himself in the daytime.
And I have wondered if perhaps the same get to know the North Human kid,
a group of ets or future humans or whoever they were, had tried
to abduct Norman and it just didn't It didn't go as well as it did
with me. I tried to talk to Norm as an adult. We weren't
real close, but we talked a couple of times, and he didn't seem
interested at all in UFOs. Maybe he protested too much, but they only
UFO he could. Interesting thing he could come up with as an adult was
that he was hiking with his son near Las Vegas on a mountain and they
saw a very vivid, clear saucer shaped UFO and shortly thereafter his son was
murdered. His son was forty one and champion kayaker and went out just to
practice and was found a couple months later. He had been hit on the
head and his body was found on the lake shore. So it was I
guess that you know, for Norman, if the UFO was an omen or
something. He never had a very very good experience with UFOs, But I
have wondered if that was connected to mine, because it had Sometimes contact or
abduction does run in families. My mom didn't even believe in ghost She was
totally non believer in anything like that. And Dad never said very much.
I don't really know he was would have been more open maybe, but huh,
So you never talked about it with your father? Uh? No.
He was North Iowa German Lutheran and he was kind of that way. He
was a nice guy. But that generation too, they don't didn't talk too
much about their feelings or thing like that. So when this going back to
your experience when you were so young, did you have anyone you could talk
to about it? No, and I didn't talk to the family about it
at that time. It was kind of a dysfunctional family, to be honest.
Dad had a drinking problem. Both my parents were college graduates of the
University of Iowa. It was a second marriage. My brother had come from
mom's first marriage, and she was extremely emotional and controlling, and they argued
so much that I was basically an only child. Norman ten years older was
out of the house. When he was seventeen. He left, so I
was seven and I maybe one reason I haven't been felt a victim of the
abductions was that I kind of incorporated them into my private world. I suppose.
Um when I was six, seven or seven, I had invisible playmates,
or not playmates, a presence I called the remembers re member, and
they never They were only around when I was outside, which was a lot.
I walked. We had this acreage and I was not this one but
close by actually, and I would walk with the dogs all over the place,
and that was my world. And the parents would be and they're arguing
in the house. They loved me, but I sort of took it onto
myself and and sort of made up my own I suppose, which is an
odd thing to have done, but it I was never never felt like a
victim. Yeah, sounds like you were coping pretty well, you know.
Yeah, that and then you mentioned that later on in life. I believe
you said California. Did you have actual sightings yourself? Did you say that
I did, the best sighting of my life was in Florida, where I
was teaching school. It was two big white spheres that hung over Tampa Bay.
My house was one block from Tampa Bay in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
And then this is kind of it was. They stayed there for hours.
There was a small group of people in the park at the end of the
street watching these two spheres, and my daughter and I watched them. We
took the dog we had been walking the dog. We took the dog home,
came back, and I decided to try and communicate with one of them,
and I looked down for a minute and it disappeared. So I was
kind of insulted, and it was the one that left, but the one
just stayed there. It didn't dissipate like a rocket launch, It didn't float
like a balloon or a Chinese lantern. It just stayed. And I left
the park at two thirty in the morning because I had to teach school in
the morning. And I've always kicked myself for not staying to see why it
ever was going to do or when it left. But that was probably the
best sighting of my life. These were because I never saw this ship on
the abductions. These were gee the size of a full moon, not a
huge full moon, but a full moon that's maybe halfway to the apex of
the of the sky. And then I also had that at the same year.
I call it my year of Awakening. I had strange beeps going on
in the house. They started in the television set at five before the hour,
but then as time progressed, they were in the wall, the wall
beap, the lamp beep, the close dryer beat. And I thought,
was this a transum some sort of radio transmission from McDill Air Force Base which
is over in Tampa, or was I think it's closed now. But I
took a cassette recorder a half a block away from the house and it beaped,
and then they sort of the climax of that year was that on May
I got to get the date here a May ninth, nineteen eighty a barge
hit the Skyway bridge, which was over Tampa Bay, the same you know,
a body of water. I could see the bridge when I was looking
at the UFO, so our house was a block away. A barge hit
a span of the Skyway, which is a very tall bridge, and thirty
five people plunged to their dass. A greyhound bus went over. It was
that big deal at the time. Well, that morning I was getting my
daughter ready for school on myself and our smoke alarm, which hadn't been beeping,
oddly, um, it went off. It wasn't. I looked for
a fire. It wasn't the fire sound, it wasn't batteries low. It
sounded like Morse code, and my dad said, well, I used to
know Morse code, but he wasn't. Didn't come up with it with any
message. But then we heard on the TV that a barge at seven thirty
five had hit the skyway, and I wondered if maybe the uh, the
smoke alarm maybe was the energy of these people as they they plunged over.
It would take a second to hit the water. I don't know. I
mean that it was all very strange, and then the beeps sort of dwindled
off. They eventually stopped. They would come, you know, a couple
of times a day at their hip. And then the kicker of this story
is that you know moth Man that John Kee wrote about with the silver bridge
that collapsed, Well, I remembered I had been outside before this bridge the
skyway collapsed or was severed, and something flew over that was opaque. It
would be like a huge bird, but there was no flapping, and it
had red sort of around it am an edge of red, and the stars
disappeared. There was no noise like a low It would be a piper cub
type of arapl the size, but there was no noise, and I didn't
I just thought it was one of many kind of strange things that year.
It was my year of being strange, or of having strangenesses. And then
it occurred to me after the bridge fell, I thought, what if that
was Mothman. Mothman, I presume, So that was my strange year.
I usually don't have things like that. Once in a while there'll be something
kind of kind of odd, but that was. Ah, that was an
exciting year, I guess so. And I was in Florida and yeah,
Saint Pete. Yeah, And so you were basically a section director for mouf
On. Did you find mouf On was easier to work to work with an
April April? Yeah. They weren't as as picky or as this scarning.
And I guess I had more freedom because I could assign people because I was
a state section director, because I was teaching and raising my daughter, and
I there was one case where the car the electromagnetic charge was was the pole,
whatever north or south the polarization was was changed after the people in the
car had seen a UFO had a close it had flown over. It wasn't
an abduction that they knew of, but the polarization of the car changed.
But yeah, then when I went to California, I sort of switched over
to the spiritual side because I kind of felt I was receiving messages, to
be honest, but they were more for they are more for the human species
than they are for individual I was never a psychic. I wasn't that good
at it, but it was messages mostly about caring for the planet. And
that's come to pass that that certainly is needed. Yeah, I think California
will do that to about anyone. I lived out there a few different times.
Yeah, California gives you freedom in a sense, or it did in
those days, right, all right. Yeah, I was out there when
I was twenty two for a couple of years, and then again you know
after Wow, I left there about eleven years ago, so ten or eleven
years ago, so it was no, I'm sorry, nine years ago.
But yeah, it's it's an interesting place. And I was not doing this
show when I was out there, and there's so much going on in the
area that I lived. I find out now I was basically in Marin County
in northern California. Ah, yeah, that would be great. Yeah,
a lot going on. My daughter lives and my daughter lives in San Francisco,
so oh yeah, I should go out there one of these days.
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of people really involved
in this topic and there I'm finding, you know, out that way I've
communicated with over the years, and a major amount of listeners to this show.
Of course, you know that's a high population state, but it's definitely
way number one on for listeners out there. Yeah. My my subscribers also
the majority or not the majority, but the highest number would be California.
The subscribers to my newsletters. Huh, and your newsletters are can you what's
that about? Exactly? Oh, they're they're the spiritual side of me.
I see, Okay, we don't have to talk about it. I just
I just wondered if it was anything related to, um, you know what
we're talking about tonight. Um so um. Getting back to back to the
last thing I asked you was about there, No, it was about Florida?
Was there? And you talked about that case with the magnetic whatever the
issue was. Yeah, I wanted to just talk about that case a little
more if you would. Did that car actually like stop running they could never
use it again? Or what was the deal with that? It was fixed,
but it wouldn't run after they were they were marooned. It was a
family with two kids, and it wouldn't run after the the UFO flew low
over it. Yeah, which is that's I think why they reported it.
They were so annoyed that scared too. There they were going along. It
was in a rural Florida and so they had I don't even know. I
guess they I think they walked to a filling station or something. They didn't
have cell phones in those days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something.
There are so many of those cases about the car. You know,
it making cars go dead. A lot of times when the UFO goes away,
it'll change everything back and it works. But uh yeah, the nuclear
codes I think came back on but not not this car. Well, Um,
and were there any other really interesting cases? I really like talking about
cases that nobody's ever heard of. And it sounds like you were in this
very early and you may have witnessed, you know, a time where there's
a lot of gaps that we don't know about some interesting stories. UM.
Yeah, I've my head's been so much in the book recently. Let me
Yeah, okay, we'll go back to that for sure, but right I
know, I'm just trying to come up with there was there was a case
of a woman, a very smart woman, UM, who who lived with
two parents. She was kind of out of place with uh in in rural
Florida. She was UM had a lot of uh. Oh. For instance,
she'd go out on a rural road at night and come home in the
morning and feel she had experiences. But this time UM, there was whom
she called a shadow man that she saw UH and UM then the next day
her father, who was very abusive UM was was killed and UH she always
felt it was the shadow man. UH. And then the day after that
she had her first UFO sighting. UM. It was two UFOs that she
saw going over and and that's remained with me as because it links the paranormal
um. UH strange, bright and really lovely person who was kind of a
victim of an environment that she didn't even seem to belong in. UM.
And then that tragedy however, Um he had been terrible to her. And
then do you I mean, did they come as as hitman. It was
a strange it remin It remains in my mind, comes to mind because it
linked paranormal unusual person and then uh, actual UFOs sighting that her grandmother UM
also saw. She used to Uh they had a motel, an old motel,
and she used to hang out with her, her grandmother more than her
parents, and h the grandmother had seen the two saucer shape UFOs as well.
Wow, It's it's funny how I've talked about this a number of times,
that there is an era where the saucer shapes were more prevalent. You
know, it seems like, yeah, that's that's the only thing that I
really saw that I couldn't explain. It was a saucer shape, and I
just wonder, Um, you know, it's so strange where now you hear
a lot of orb sightings and triangles, and it's it's really interesting why they
would be different. How would that fit into your theory of time travel?
I suppose they just have different models of shifts. That's maybe putting it a
little simply. The tic TACs remind me of the shuttles on Original Star Trek.
Of course I am a big Star Treker, I admit that. But
they they seem to have the pilot set of funny little protrusion from them,
almost like an antenna, right or something. Yeah, which is kind of
weird. Why would you need an antenna if you're so advanced. But anyway,
yeah, they they've kind of for some reason, they remind people of
more of time travel, I think than the Saucers do. I'm not sure
why. Yeah, Um, all right, let's just let's just go there
for a minute. We only have a couple of minutes. But okay,
let's just say this that the tic TACs were time travelers, Um, what
would they what would they be doing? Just doing what they were doing out
in the middle of the you know, off San Diego and uh, you
know, messing with a couple of fighter jets. Beyond that, what would
they you know what, why would you think they would be doing that?
I mean, I'm just posing questions. Well, that the Navy did those
maneuvers every year between um Tijuana and San Diego, So the tic TACs would
have certainly known that they could have stayed out of the way or but they
appeared on radar before they sent the pilots up. I think the radar said
there was a battalion or maybe a unit. I don't know if it's I
don't know what's in a battalion, but many, many of them formations,
and so it was almost like they wanted to have that confrontation or that little
dog fight. Kind of possibly that might be a drip grip of disclosure because
it has raised a lot of the Navy said they really don't know what it
is, which is new and unusual. And then there is a theory that
the whales were migrating and that possibly they were observing the whales. Now that's
kind of a maybe too sacrd or too sweet or something. Maybe they were
going to eat, you know, catch the whales. There are food.
But there was something foaming under the water or churning that Commander Fraver talked about,
and it was the size of a seven forty seven well that could have
been one of the whales. But the whales were migrating there, and there's
up in Oregon there was a whale migration and other military reports of ticktat or
at least of UFOs around. So that's well, who knows. All right,
Well, it's time for us to head into our break and we'll be
right back. All right, Welcome back everyone. My guest tonight is Dian
Testament, and we are we we were talking about what we were we talking
about before the break, because we talked during the break. Strange that strange
case I had. Oh yes, shadow Man, Yeah, yeah, those
cases are really interesting. I love hearing cases that I've never heard about.
That's why I was actually um talking to you about it. But let's get
back into your book and some of the things you have discussed um about in
the future of humans? What is what is some of the things you've come
up with. Well, I think that the nuclear issue is part of why
they are back here in our skies. I can't exactly tell you why they
don't just land and say, look, anything nuclear is more dangerous than you
think. And you current people have been too nonchalant with nuclear energy, even
nuclear plants that are built on water because they need water intake oceans or river
and now the oceans are rising, there's torrential rains, there's flooding. You
know, what's that going to be in a hundred years with even safe supposedly
safe civilian just you know, just to give us electric energy. But starting
with the concept of nuclear waste that we generate so much of it it overflows
the permanent storage, which may not be the greatest. We put it in
temporary storage. There is a Danish film that is a haunting, an award
winning feature documentary called Into Eternity. It follows the construction of a waste repository
at a nuclear power plant in Finland. The film questions the intended eternal existence
of nuclear waste storage this site that has been carefully built in Finland, much
better than what the US has. In many cases, it cannot be safely
disturbed for a hundred thousand years. Exactly. No structure in human history has
lasted one hundred thousand years. Do we know what happened one hundred thousand years
ago? No? No, And when you think about it, one hundred
thousand years, how will people even know not to dig it up? They
even speak English, for all we know, they'll dig it up and think
they've got some artifact or some wonderful Egyptian like container but leaving you know,
maybe they would know it's nuclear waste, but it's leaking into earth. And
so a big part of my book is asking why are we leaving to our
descendants? And you know, you mentioned we might go extinct? Are the
sperm count of the human race is down fifty percent? Sou and possibly there's
a nuclear war that hasn't happened yet. You can you know, guess that,
and the genome is damaged. It might account for the differences in there
in the physiological makeup of the small humans that so many people have seen.
Now, Mike Masters says, that's just normal evolution that we're going in that
direction. So it's just speculation on my part. But we have been too
nonchalant with nuclear energy, and there have been UFOs even around um Los Alamos.
In way back in the late forties they had an outbreak of red zipping
lights running around at Los Alamos, And there have been sightings at everything from
Peach Bottom, which is a nuclear where is it here? Uh, Central
Pennsylvania, South central Pennsylvania. UM they have they're running out of space,
so they're gonna just put it the overflowing containers stored in an area less than
the size of a football field, and they're they're gonna sit I guess above
ground. Anyway, future humans may be dealing with a really contaminated earth.
Also, they maybe a scarcity of drinking water, of safe drinking water.
So you know, they seem to be trying to tell us that we're too
nonchalant with nuclear energy. And maybe they don't come down and with a megaphone
and yellow at us because there is a non interference directive or a reason that
we're not quite ready to know about them. They would threaten the power structure,
even if they didn't aim to more than ets, even because here would
be people. The current people would see that with this other bunch of humans
probably has the cure for cancer and any disease you can think of. They
probably could help with the fire fires, like in Australia if you had artificial
intelligence that they designed, could go into fires or the Amazon fires and you
wouldn't have any loss of life of firemen, and much more efficiently. Artificial
intelligence could put out fires all sorts of things that would be helpful, and
people could turn away from the powers that be now pretty quickly, so that
might be the reason for a non interference directive, because I don't think they
really want, you know, Grandpa, just running around and falling and trying
to follow them. And they have some ethics, I believe, But I
think there is a point where there must be a huge separation between galactic races
that learn how to time travel, that develop it, and those that are
still locked in time. To me, that would be the biggest separation almost
it would be the biggest event if we realized that's ever happened to us,
if we realized that there is travel in in time, and that that would
have influenced our history. I'm getting off the point of the nuclear thing,
so let me get back to that of the government installations Livermore, Sandia,
Savannah River. So many of them have had strange events with UFOs maybe flying
over for a week or two and coming back. There's a nuclear installation in
um Nebraska, that Cooper Cooper Nuclear Plant that had a couple of weeks of
UFOs flying over, and they were the ones that got nearly flooded a couple
of years ago when the river over flowed. I think they were bothered by
a UFO before that a few years but there's just so many cases of of
UFOs and UAVs being interested in nuclear sights, military and civilian, and you
had got to wonder about that stored atomic radioactive waste that we're just building up
with not a thought I was gonna say too, their future human society may
not be I'm not saying it's wonderful, you know, with a star Trek
kind of vision. I hope it is. But they could be survivors or
um, you know, possibly almost live in space, which would account for
radio for radiation damage too, because space is so hard on organic beings due
to radio activity. I don't hope there could be just a few hours left
for all I know. I'm not, you know, telling you what their
society is like. I don't know. Yeah, they could work those things
out to it. I mean, if we advanced it, if we advanced
in the future, we will figure out how to protect ourselves in space a
little better than we have now. I would imagine. I had done for
a while some of the listeners to the show, and there's still a lot
on YouTube on this channel. I did a show called the Everything Else Show,
or I talk about other topics, and I had a lib how Levy
on the show of that show, and we talked about nuclear waste in the
future and all that, and I'm, you know, getting off the hope
my listeners allow me to get off the UFO topic for just a second here,
and that is I have thought, you know, for many years that
we are really playing with the mattress. As Stan Friedman used to say,
he used to be more or less an advocate for what um, you know,
nuclear power would be and stuff like that. But what what has never
talked about or and you mentioned it, and that is the waste. We
actually are putting that burden on five thousand generations into our future for our selfish
needs for a hundred years and right. And I think it's it's just we
don't think about it. We always think of the short term. And you
know, you've mentioned some things I'd never thought about. You know what,
if you know, there's a separation and people don't understand one hundred thousand years
from now where these things are, they're still they're still radioactive and they're still
dangerous. You know, the half life's go on and on and half right.
In fact, one hundred thousand years isn't even the longest half life.
No, it could be too gol yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's
up. I just think that we are selfish and uh, we're not good
to our planet. That's you know, if there was only a way to
launch that up to the Sun, all the nuclear waste of the Sun would
be all set. Yeah, but not feasible, right, not feasible.
Yeah, so I agree. Yeah, And you know, it is really
something that there are so many, uh, there's so many encounters when it
comes to nuclear power and nuclear missile heads and and you know, warheads it
is and and all that. It's just really amazing and a small well it's
not small. Something you think about in the Great Plains is the tornadoes,
right, what if an F five tornado hits the Nebraska power plant or wherever
you know, Uh, and and the storms are getting worse, the number
of bad tornadoes or worse, and even I think the number of tornadoes in
general. But there have been some really horrific tornadoes. I think more in
Oklahoma maybe than I It's been a little south, but we never think of
that. Or the rising waters of I think they shut down Santinofrey in California.
It was right right on the ocean people surfing on the other side of
the freeway, and but they did shut it down to California's credit. Wow,
how about that? Interesting? I noticed that in your I think in
your book, do you mention the SoCoRo incident because we have up a lot
of times. We have Ray Stanford, who wrote the original book on that.
That's so good. Did you look into that case? I didn't personally,
but I have it in the book. Yeah, where I'm trying to
find it here Lonnie Zamora, right, I was trying to get his name
for starters. Yeah. It was a sheriff or a Potroman and he saw
a craft first in the air, and then he was kind of following it,
and then he saw it had landed, and um was it too small?
Human noise got out. I'm still looking here where I that's why he
claimed he thought he saw and they were very small, like uh like he
thought they were children, liking coveralls, white coveralls, I believe. And
as soon as he showed up, they basically saw him, got scared and
shot up, and you know, I think that's when he lost sight of
it. I don't know the exact details, so I'm kind of paraphrasing when
I remember, yeah, I'm I'm almost there here, yeah, okay.
He lost sight of the object and the figures as he passed behind a hill,
and then he saw an egg shaped object. Let's say he glimpsed a
shiny car size object on the ground about one hundred fifty yards away. Near
it stood two small figures in white overall coveralls, and he lost sight of
it figures. He passed behind a hill and then he saw an egg shaped
object standing on four legs. It displayed a peculiar insignia on its side,
something like an arrow pointing vertically from a horizontal base to a half council crown.
The two figures had disappeared and the object emitted an enormous roar. He
charged back to his car. He was frightened and ran back to his car.
He glimpsed it over his shoulder and then Project Blue Book investigators found that
Officers Zamora had a reputation for integrity, and they examined what looked like landing
marks found on the desert floor. It was in New Mexico. In the
middle of these marks was a burned area, apparently from the craft's exhaust,
so there was a bit of evidence left behind creosote bushes burn. Yeah,
I've gone into great detail with Ray Stanford because he was there shortly after he
had shown up, and he actually saw, you know, the landing marks
in that. He has quite the story to tell in that there was a
rock and I believe j al and Hynek was there and Ray just happened to
catch that. He saw a scrape of what looked like metal on a rock,
so he kind of waited. And if he's listening, he'll probably call
in and tell me I'm getting it wrong. But I believe he waited until
everyone was gone, and then he actually took the rock that had the scrape
on it. And that's a long story because he had the he had I
can't remember exactly what. It wasn't NASA or Goddard or it was some type
of place like that that tried to scrape the sample. They were going to
leave the He was very he was very concerned about that they would scrape the
entire sample off and he could never get anywhere with him. And when he
finally got the rock back, that's exactly what happened. It was completely straight
clean shoot. So he never really found out what that was for a metal
on there. So if Ray, if you were happening to be listening,
you want to call in and set the record straight. I know him kind
of probably leaving some of the facts out of it, but but that,
yeah, that is one of the really good cases, really really strong case
where you have such a man of integrity that has such an incredible sighting and
there were other people that saw that, other witnesses that saw the saw the
craft, and there's a lot of people that were trying to spin it as
a hoax, but none of that held true. It's always been a very
solid case. In my book, I took older, solid cases that had
been thoroughly investigated and really stood up, and I did that on purpose,
rather than taking newer ones that might possibly have fake photos or And then also
I think there got to be a certain hysteria around abductions, and maybe rightfully
so, but I don't know. The earlier nineteen fifties and sixties abductions seemed
to not traumatize people quite as much. And you know whether that was a
different group. Of course, with future humans, you could have a group
of them from two hundred and fifty years in advance or even fifty years in
advance. It depends when we figure out time travel back, or they could
be from a million years in advance, because once you step out of time,
of course, you're not really from there, probably not from a year,
but there would be different and phases. Or maybe they do still have
years, but you probably wouldn't have a mixture of seventy five years ahead and
two million years ahead because they wouldn't have anything much in common either. So
um, now I forget my other point there. Anyway, what I was
going to say after there's a more a case in my book I've got I
mentioned Leonard Stringfield's work, which seemed to always be again with just the small
humans. My friend Richard Hall Dick Hall, was the confidant of Leonard Stringfield,
So I got in on a few things that I didn't really get in
on that many secrets that didn't that Leonard didn't put in his crash retrieval booklets.
But I got in on the fact that his confidants would were usually military
guards that had seen the bodies from crash saucers, and there seems to have
been more crashes than just Roswell, And then his informants would disappear. When
he tried to see him see them again, they wouldn't. He couldn't find
them, and that happened too. So I got in on some of the
trials and tribulations of it. But these guards would talk to him, and
they reported little humanoids that had been put into hastily prepared wooden crates. They
appeared to be four feet tall. The witness said they were lying unshrouded on
a fabric. A number of air police stood silent guard around these crates.
That we're going to, write Patterson, so they could be autopsied. He
got a glimpse of humanoid features, heads that were proportionately larger than the bodies,
at least to our perception. One head appeared to be hairless and narrow.
In other cases there was fuzzy, thin hair on the alien's heads.
The eyes seemed to be open, the mouth small, while the nose,
if any, was indistinct. Of course, most of them have been burned
badly. The humanoids arms were positioned down alongside their bodies, but their hands
and feet were indistinct. In one case, a guard reported that he thought
one of them had a muscular chest, and it turned out to be the
bumps of a female's breast, and in another case one was said to be
still alive. They offered it oxygen, but it died. And their silver
suits were not damaged, but had welded to their body because of the heat
from fires of the of the crash. And you know, Leonard Stringfield and
Richard Hall were very meticulous, respectable man. Uh the autopsy that turned out
to be a fake in the nineties, Um, no comparison. I mean,
they they were sincere and uh what they what Leonard reported, Um,
you know has been kind of verified in other ways too, I think with
right Patterson and uh, to me, that's that's an area that's kind of
not remembered much anymore and as some of the strongest evidence of ets. But
to me, it's also extra evidence for the fact that they're human, very
human if if they were you know, we were talking earlier about you know,
abductions. We've touched on that a couple of times. So what people
are now they're calling experiencers or experiences, I guess. But if let's just
take your thoughts on what you know, maybe we may be seeing us from
the future or future beings. Why would there be so much trauma reported in
a lot of you know what people are claiming happens to them when they're abducted.
I mean, wouldn't it make more sense that if it was us from
the future, that would be more gentle and more understanding with our I asked
the question in Heavy Fought, what terrible species would abduct human beings? One
answer is true, human beings would abduct human beings. We have committed genocide
on each other and still still are. We've enslaved each other. We've in
the case of the Native Americans, either genocide or driven them to either arid
climates or very cold climates, and we kept the fertile land of Iowa.
And so you know, man's inhumanity demand is endless. And possibly they're a
little more enlightened than we are because they seem to catch and release, and
I think they would be or see. I think it's a military or quasi
military unit, probably trained for time experiences to come back. I don't think
it's pedestrians on a vacation. I think it's a military trained thing, and
they are to be cold and distant and scary so that we don't really start
to chat or catch on to anything, And I think they need something from
us because there are so many tissue samples and similar um possibly for DNA.
Maybe they're they we are having trouble with our too much nuclear radiation with with
our DNA. UM. So I think the reason that they catch and release
and are frightening is because that's the way they're ordered to be. And well,
you know, for all we know they maybe a lot of it is
artificial intelligence that humans created. I don't think et that we need to think
ets create art you know, to me, it makes sense that that artificial
intelligence might be lacking emotion unless you get into conscious artificial intelligence. UM.
But to me that that answers your question fairly fairly. Well all that I
just said, yeah, um, so if the one thing I'm sure you've
heard a million times of the butterfly effect, Um, the next question I'd
say to you, like so that that just goes along. If if someone
alters the past, then they alter you know, perhaps um them selves being
born. You know, you can alter one thing in the world basically,
and it may change some events that makes it so, uh, the world
doesn't happen the way it had. Um. That type of thing. If
you went back in time. And the one thing that I just think of
is, you know, they're not hiding um, They're not um. You
know there there's you know a lot of people experiencing these things and and it
seems like it would alter or it could alter the future. You know,
maybe not a UFO sighting, but maybe a UFO sighting. Could you know,
the UFOs could have altered you know of things that has altered some things
right now as far as what the Navy is is doing and all that.
Yeah, that gets into two physics to the Novokoff loop that doctor Sarfodi taught
me about. So I don't know right right, Yeah, what is that?
What is that you're talking about? It's uh Novakoff was an old Russian
in the eighteen hundreds that came up with this that physics does accept as as
fact that you it's a you can't change the future because if you think you
whatever you did, your you you did do it's you can't escape. In
other ways, you can't kill your grandfather because you exist, So it's a
non escape. I know. The multi worlds here this gets very says that
there are alternate dimensions, but whether we can actually get to the alternate dimension.
We may be locked in our original path and then other us would go
in the in the alternate dimensions. But novokof Loop says that it's almost like
a predestination that you are locked into. I'm not getting my definition wording exactly
right, but that you can't change the future because what you think changes the
future always happened. So I guess if you if you cause somebody looking at
the UFO to get run over by a bus, they would have been run
over by the bus anyway, so they really can't change the future. Wow,
that's my head hurts, so this mine? Wow, well interesting.
I'm going to open up the lines if anyone wants to call in ask our
guests a question of that number is eight five five four seven two five four
eight three And we do have a race screening call standing by, So if
anyone would like to call in and ask our guests a question a question,
please do call. And speaking of that, and just a reminder to the
people that listen to the show, I'd love to have a lot of calls
coming up on a show that's going to be just a listener show, only
it's It's Saint Patrick's Day. I hope that doesn't curtail anything, but it
is on March seventeenth, that's a Tuesday, at sixty eight pm Eastern Standard
time. Love to take your call and talk about sightings, so whatever you
want to speak about. So that's coming up on the seven seventeenth of next
month, which next month is just in a couple of days. So yeah,
that is that's interesting. So many paradoxes and things to think about when
you're when you're talking about time travel. I remember as a kid, as
a joke, I used to say, you know, I had a lot
of corny, stupid things. I used to say. I do admit that,
but I used to say that time travel would never happen because we don't
see anyone from the future. Well maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe
we do. How do we know? Is that might be the question.
But I don't think that they just come down. You know, you'll have
people on video that say, well, I'm a time traveler from and I'm
always really skeptical of that because I who was the guy that was saying he
was the time traveler, was really on art Bell and he went he was
on a bunch of him. No, I don't want to name somebody that
wrongly. No, it wasn't that. He had a type of what's that,
Oh, you got a couple of calls coming and race, I see
it, But it was tighter, that's it. Tighter T T I T
O R. Whatever happened to him? We know, we have some calls
coming in and they're just being screened right now, so I will take that
in just one second before we get into our next topic. But yeah,
that that guy was really really something. He was on a whole bunch of
shows and he had claimed all these things, and when it came right down
to it, um, he said that he was sent back because he was
sick or something. I can't remember exactly what that was, but I don't
know whatever happened to him. Well, to me, the beauty of my
book is that it's just really connecting dots that we've never connected. And you
know, I don't say you got to believe that, but it's just something
that's been overlooked and I think it kind of makes sense to at least,
you know, think about it. That's that's It's not a you know,
I'm not an expert on them. Really, I'm looking at it from where
I am here in the current place and thinking, gee, maybe it is
us. Wow. Yeah, UM, so I don't know if we're having
issues with the phone. I'm taking a look at that now. Hopefully everything
is all set going on with that. But we do have a couple of
calls lined up just waiting for the go here to take them. Hu,
they keep hanging up. I wonder if they're hanging up on anyway. Um,
yeah, you know these are these are all thoughts you can kick around.
Of course, no one really knows the answer. It's just, uh,
it's just something to kick around. Um. Have you had a lot
of you said, you've communicated with a few people at least doctor Michael Masters,
Jack sar Fotty to a limited degree. We uh not, Jack,
Sorry, Jacques Valet to a limited degree. Jack Sarfanly and I talk every
day. We're kind of friends on email. But Jacques Valet gave permission to
use his paper, and I was I was very honored at that. Um,
he said something here you can interrupt me if the call comes through.
But I just wanted to quote he says, such from this paper in my
that's in the book. Such travelers could perform many of the physical feats abscribe
to you, you youth nuts, you've knots, and they could also manifest
simultaneously through what appears to us as different periods in our history. This hypothesis
represents an updating of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which, in fact, who visits
us can be from anywhere in any time and could even originate from our own
Earth. And that's what he has always you know, he's he's mentioned fairies
and and things back in history, and then they updated themselves to spacecraft whatever
they are. But he doesn't disallow that there are future humans. That isn't
his answer necessarily, but this quote does sort of describe future humans or could
And he's involved now in venture capital with going to space, so he obviously
thinks there's a future that he's creating or participating in making, which is what
doctor Sarfini feels too. Wow wow, really interesting. Yeah, chaque Is
is quite an interesting guy. I guess I'm going to tell the people the
phone. Uh, I'm not sure what's going on at the KGr A radio
race is working on it, so I will we'll pull the phones for right
now. I was hoping this wouldn't happen. Again. But anyway, we're
rebooting the system is basically what it looks like, what is happening. So
callers, hang in there, we'll be we'll be back with asking you to
call in in a few minutes. So just hang in there and we'll let
you know how that. I was interested in the fact that Travis Walton saw
small beings who he was scared of. At first, he had been hit
on the head or zapped with the ray from the ship or the energy hit
him and he had a head injury, and he really attacked or freaked out
at these little beings. I think they were kind of insect like, and
I remembered in hypnosis two little beings or little I guess, small humans that
got me to where this one might call him my special one, because he
didn't give me his name. I don't aim it as a huge endearment,
but I didn't. I that's what I referred to him at. One of
the little beings that seemed to get me to where I was supposed to go
was had a more insect like look about him, kind of like an Iowa
grasshopper. But so Travis sort of attacked or started to these little beings and
they just stood there. And then that's when the few the golden humans.
That term uh kind of annoying for some reason. But anyway, the almost
perfect looking humans showed up and apparently saved him, did something medically. They
took him somewhere. And so my experience matches Travis's and that I in hypnosis.
I remembered the small beings also, I don't remember them consciously, but
the being I met, the guy was would be considered a golden human.
He wasn't a tall, tall human. Uh, he just had casual hair.
I mean, he wasn't military like he was. But his eyes were
different and I believe, you know, in Travis's the illustrations of Travis's experience,
Uh, those also had kind of different eyes almost why a wide set
really wide set and may be kind of translucent. Hmmm. I've talked to
I've Travis has been on the show a number of times that I've actually talked
to him at an event. We hung out together for um quite a while,
and actually, uh, he's very intelligent in in well spoken, and
and we got into talking about all different topics, but asking him about you
know, first of all, about the beings, the small ones that you
mentioned. Um, he said, the eyes were were just incredible. Something
about their rise was just incredible, like the way they stared at him,
and huh yeah, I don't remember there, so, huh what were they
the big goggling almost like they had black goggles on, because I wondered if
maybe they did had black goggles. The really dark black eyes were a really
large yeah, yeah, yeah, And then he said, then he said
that the the ones you're talking about, the other ones, he said,
they were absolutely beautiful people. He said, I don't know how else to
describe it. They were just amazingly beautiful people. But they said never forget
them. He thought he was. He thought he was saved, and then
to find out, you know, they they wouldn't talk, and that really
puzzled him. But they did save him. I actually didn't, didn't he
say that with At least that's what I've ran. I have never were friends
on Facebook, but I've never chatted with him. I believe he said that
they put a mask on him. I maybe getting that wrong. Had a
head injury or uh yeah. Oh, that's the part you're talking about.
Is when he was talking about the fact that he believes that he was actually
this was a rescue mission. That's what you mean when he get sapped by
the light, that's yeah, he thinks, yeah, yeah, all right,
we're going to try to take this call. Cross your fingers everyone.
Okay, looks like we have Andrew calling again from Connecticut. Andrew you on
the line. Yes, Hi, can you punch my frequent caller card first?
I don't know what that'll get you, but yes, okay. So
my question for Diane is just is she familiar with a theory and I think
this might have been first proposed by maybe John Keel, that our dimension is
you know, length, breadth, width, and time, and we are
all the molecules in our dimension are vibrating at one frequency and this dimensions vibrated
other frequencies, and that that's one of the mysteries we see or phenomenon with
UFOs. There's do you come across that you find that that's probably one of
the more valid theories on how these interdimensional creatures or craft come and go.
Yes, I would wonder, Yes, I do think it sounds one of
the more valid um Do you think that they can actually do nuts and bolts
or hands on like tissue samples or the landing mark the actual evidence throughout the
years. Would other dimensional beings be able to interact with our dimension that much?
Or do we just see them in the I wonder that, Yeah,
but who knows. I guess yeah, I've I've heard it. I've heard
it theorized that they can enter our dimension and stay briefly, but that it's
harmful to them to stay long term because their molecules and on aren't aren't tuned
to this frequency, right, That's why they can't stay. I think when
you look at modern physics and all the different fields out there, that they're
constantly um studying and expanding our knowledge, that that's that is one of the
more valid theories. Um. What one analogy he gave Jesus John Keel was
that we're like fishing a river and we can um swim anywhere we want in
our river and go up, go down, look all over the place,
but we're stuck in the river, and the other creatures can leave the river
and walk up to a top the top of a mountain, look around,
and then come back into the river wherever they choose. And that I felt
that really stuck with me. Yeah, I that would seem one of the
more valid to me too. I guess i'd say, having been talking a
lot with um doctor Sarfai, that if we could get the formula for time
travel, it's almost you know, Okham's razor that says the least number of
assumption is the right answer. Well, it's a very big one assumption that
we'll be able to go back in time. I will. But Einstein never
said it's impossible, So I guess for me, I would think that was
maybe more more likely. But it could be both, or I could be
wrong. That's entirely possible, and I think your theory is a good one.
Great good. That's about what I thought you'd say. Okay, Andrew,
thanks a lot, and don't forget the seventeenth you have to save me.
Andrew saved my call where I was going to have to cancel the show
and we talked for quite a while, so I don't forget that, Andrew,
So thank you. Okay, guys, all right, all right,
good night, all right, we have on the line. We have Ward
Ward calling from Florida. Welcome to the show. Ward, Well back you
and hello everybody. Hello, right, you have a question for our guest
tonight, Yes, I do, well, and maybe you two. I've
had a lot of synchronicities. I mean it's they've been blowing up. Um.
Used to be every once in a while. Now I mean getting like
maybe twenty a day. And I saw in a different video that this is
happening all over the place. But then when I contact with somebody else,
they said, no, it's not happening to them. Is she having any
kind of synchronicities or you or is it just something that you know really isn't
happening. I have synchronicities fairly often with my best friend of over forty years
who lives in California. As far as synchronicities happened, I mean here I
am out in rural Iowa. There's almost nobody to bounce it off of to
find out if I've not. But yes, I certainly had them fairly often,
not not as often as you're saying, yeah it has. It hasn't
ramped up because it used to be a I'm sorry, I just had something
in my mouth. It used to be that, Um, I was getting
them every once in a while. And yes, I would think of something
and I hear my daughters say it, or my mother say it, or
person on line safe, but now it seems to all be like electronic word.
Um. I'll be thinking of something, or I'll have like two things
going. I'll have my radio going and the TV going, and at the
same exact time, the uh, the radio says washing machine, all of
a sudden, the TV says washing machine. And it happens constantly, constantly,
and I just never saw it so crazy like this before. I'm just
trying to figure out is something coming or you know, what's going on.
I've certainly had it happened. I know what you're saying, but not as
frequently. What about you, Martin? I did I think? I did
you know? At one time I did? I did, I did notice,
But um I do I do. Thank you for the call, Ward,
appreciate it. Okay, all right, all right. Next we have
we have Brock on the line from Dayton, Ohio. Isn't that near,
right, Patterson? Right? Patterson? Brock? How are you that is?
I'm good right, paths like ten minutes from here, so ah,
yeah, how are yeah? Welcome to the show. Yeah. So,
I guess I was wondering, like kind of along the lines what Andrew was
saying, UM, regarding like these aliens being able to kind of dip in
and dip out of time. UM. I was wondering like if if Diane
thought that maybe they were like higher dimensional beings in that you know, like
a fourth or fifth dimensional being could see like perceive the passing of time like
we perceive like width heights and yeah, but like if you get to like
higher level, like like up to like seven, eight, even nine dimensional,
it's like not only can you see the passing of time, but you
can also see like different alternate universes, you know, where things like say
where different events happen and it creates like a different timeline and likes, these
higher dimensional beings and this maybe is how they navigate through spacetime as they can
perceive like these different timelines and stuff, and they're kind of moving back and
forth between these different timelines and different paths and futures. I don't know,
is that something you thought, yeah, that could that could be? I
guess. Um. There's there's two sides sort of to the UFO issue.
There's subjective and metaphysical um, and then there's object even scientific um. Like
I know, uh, doctor Sarfati, who's a really aggressive science thinker,
would say, well, that doesn't match our knowledge of of what we know,
but then there's a lot we don't know. But on the subjective side,
I'll just say that what you're saying is subjective. There's no it sounds
like a a metaphysical explanation, which could be valid. I mean, metaphysics
in itself is a deep topic, and I know it goes into ten and
eleven dimensions in all but U it's it's not science as we know it today.
Uh and um, I've certainly I respect it. I don't know if
I believe exactly that, but who knows. Interesting, wow, well,
kind of a we're two sides of a coin. We're scientific and we're spiritual,
and then metaphysics would be on the spiritual side, science, logic,
even practicality on the other side, and to be and humans are both science
and spirit very good anything else, brock um, not at this time.
No, thanks for taking you, bet, thank thank you, Thanks for
calling in. We have now Julian is calling from Quebec. Hey, Julian,
Yes, sir, mister Martin, can you hear me? I can
hear you? Well, yes, so you are north of me? Yeah,
yeah, all right, that's okay. Um, look listen. Um.
Sorry if my English like pretty bad, I'm like, no problem,
Oh all right, um lazy, I've been. I've been like listening those
story about Linda Moulton Howe with those Antarctica like deep story and things, those
those caves and everything that. Anyway, when you listen to her, it's
like a big, big major a big major picture. But I think I
feelt like those things might be coming from an original story like Bussige Mounting.
I don't know if you hear, if you if you heard about Busigi Mounting
Martin. I was wondering if you heard about it, because it seems like
the same story. No, I'm not. I may just not understand the
what is the name of the mountain? Want one more time? It's called
Busige Mountain. No, I'm not familiar with that. That doesn't ring a
bell really m hmm okay, oh well, oh wow, well that was
my question. Actually, certainly, certainly Antarctica is intriguing. Um, I'll
just add that, Yeah, you know they're talking about this this, this,
I mean where I am um right now, I'm thinking about all those
things seems to be related to some kind of inner her civilization somewhere I can't
and there's something out there, some kind of intelligence, but I'm trying to
figure where where it could be standing. You know, if they have like
those super massive those engines able to move like speed. Um anyway, It's
like it's like if you have a super super engine that can move light speed,
if you leave your home planet with light speed, you can come back
that home planet. You're you're your plan your time phase is completely different.
You're like, just if you're alien super advent species off your planet with a
light speed experience, you're like trying to deal with different other planets too,
you know. That's where That's where I am. I'm just like thinking about
all this, like I was like some kind of super advential onion alien race
with this kind of light speed technology of my own planet. What would have
What would I do? Exactly? I'm gonna leave you with that, Martin
lights to see you as a plower. All right, Thanks for the call,
Thanks for single show. All right, Well, any any thoughts on
any of that. I loved it people search and enjoy thinking about it and
m it kind of works in with what I really want of my main mission
in my book. It isn't to persuade everybody that it's us from fifty years
in advance or or a millionaires in advance. It's more that I think we've
kind of dug ourselves a h We're in an abyss, currently in a mini
dark age, and I want our human spirit to reawaken when when Buzz and
um Neil walked on the moon, the whole world stopped and watched them.
And we're a species it needs to reach out. We do so much kind
of bickering and dickering here and social media and computers, we've gotten so much
kind of into ourselves. We need challenges. I don't want to sound like
JFK, but we need to do it because it's hard, not because it's
easy. And if we if we imagine something, it usually comes about,
whether it's fire or airplane. And I think we'll get the key to time
travel. But even if we don't, we're going to go on into the
future until we don't, and we need to reawaken our connection to you know,
ancestors inspire us. Maybe a great great aunt survived the Irish famine came
over to Ellis Island. That's an inspiration to a woman today. To be
strong, and there's a bridge also to our descendants, and we've totally ignored
that. Nobody even think. I mean, we love our grandchildren, but
that's as far as we go. We've kind of severed that link to the
future. And my main mission is just to get that across a lot of
times. You know, we we forget just a couple of generations away.
We have no idea what that was about, you know, ahead of us,
that's right, until you know, there's a genealogy study. Now the
Internet is really a wonderful tool for that, but you know, prior to
that, it was you know, it was just looking up records and you
know, no details of someone's life. You know, that's all just kind
of gone in the abyss unless someone has a documented it. But anyway,
so where can someone find your book? It came out what was it the
first of February. Yes, hey, it's on Amazon, both kindle and
paperbagh and it's only fifteen dollars and got five zero dollars or fifteen dollars fifteen
My moth is getting tired. Well you can rest it now. We're at
the end of our show. Thank you so much. Okay, I was
going to say that if they wanted a newsletter, go to my website earth
Change Prediction dot com and contact me that way, and thank you. I
enjoyed it, all right, excellent, all right everyone, So thanks very
much for listening tonight and we will be back next week with Dave Marler,
and I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show and remember to
keep your eyes to the sky.