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So Shelly. In today's episode,
we are finishing up the interview with Brielle

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Decker. Part two of that interview, a Prisoner of the Prophet. Is

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her show documentary right on? What
Discovery Plus or something? Yes? An

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Amazon add on? I don't know
how did we watch it? Just look

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it up. I don't know what
Discovery Plus? I think? Do you

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have Discovery Plus this whole time?
Yes, because there's cool shows on that.

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I do pay eight extra dollars month. Good shit, you know I

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love me series. You know this
documentary was probably worth all eight bucks because

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it's that wild. It is wild. You got to watch it. Yes,

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and we're gonna get right to part
two of that interview just a second.

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Also, we have a pod to
pitch later on episode we do,

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so stay tuned. We'll be right
back. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Ladder Day Lesbian, the podcast about
a night. Let me do that again.

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Remember we need to do outdates.
I know, right, blooper Real.

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I'll just leave that in there,
Dan, if you ever want to

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save that for a blooper Real,
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Is it hard for you to take
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just throw it elsewhere and we can
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whole new well. It's like an
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and I'll snip it later. Okay, leave this in, Dan, leave

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it in. Snip it and save
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So Shelley, Yes, Mary,
we have a special guest once again today.

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We docker welcome back Brielle Decker.
Maybe we should just pick up that

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interview where we left on, shall
we? Yeah, I'm not sure where

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that is in three two one.
From the outside looking in, I always

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feel so horrible for the women and
the children, right like that just breaks

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my heart. What do you think, though, that living this lifestyle does

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to the boys as they grow into
men and they advance on in the church.

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It does hurt everybody. It hurts
everybody in this whole thing. Because

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if you'd listen to men talk about
the story, which is hard to do

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because they don't always want to step
up and talk about it because they're not

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seen as the victim all the time. But they honestly they have to come

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up with the money for everyone.
They feel responsible. They say. The

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competition between the wives is absolutely the
worst part. Some of them will say

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that, you know, loving all
these people and not being able to show

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it's very hurtful. And then if
you think about like the young boys get

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kicked out, you know that they
get kicked out regularly because of the competition

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factor that the old men want the
young brides. So the boys are not

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valued, I don't think, and
they make it really hard for the boys,

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make it really really tough on boys
in general. They actually say in

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the FLS that like, if the
boys become an apostile state and go public

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and all of that, they can
actually become what they caused set of tradition.

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So a set of condition is like
the worst punishment, but a girl

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can never reach that capacity. They'll
always be a different kingdom for the girl

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because she didn't have that opportunity to
be the prophet. That's a belief in

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mainstream Mormonism as well, that it's
it's the boys because they had the priesthood

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and they know more and they're closer
to God, so if they turn away

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from ment, they are cast into
outer darkness, whereas girls, I mean,

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man, we don't you know,
I don't know all that much.

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Where nobody cares about the girls.
Girls have it easier to stay anyway.

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That's interesting. A lot of people
have compassion for the women and the kids,

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but in my perspective, there was
so many women that didn't step up,

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and there was multiple reasons why.
I'm sure some of them did have

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little their kids on the property in
Texas and they decided not to step up

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for those little kid's sake because then
they would get kicked off the property and

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those kids would go through more.
That makes sense to me. But there

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was so many women that never had
kids and just never stood up, And

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I didn't understand why it could be
fair tac days. It could be a

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whole host of things, But I
don't have I don't feel like I have

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as much compassion for those adult women
because I became a target and I had

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like so many abusers because I stepped
out of my comfort zone and fought and

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fought and fought. Yeah, the
women didn't like you, No like me.

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So I did have some friends,
but like that was hell the arms

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late anyway. Yeah, so they
didn't like me because Warren just paid so

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much attention to me. Some of
them are that reason, and he did

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because he was experimenting on me.
I think I think he was trying to

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get you to go back in line. I think he really wanted bad things,

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Like I don't think it was anything
good if I like it talks in

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the documentary like if I got to
that point where my American rights were taken

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away and he was controlling me,
I don't know what would happen to that

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point. I think it would have
been bad, you know, really bad.

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If he's controlling people he can manipulate
to do you know, I don't

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know if he could have manipulated me
at that point either. You know,

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you never know what would have gone
down if I didn't have any way of

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escaping ever. So you mentioned having
some friends in the compound. Were there

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some women or someone that you could
confide in about you know, you're disbelief

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in it or wanting to get away. I couldn't confide in them because every

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time I would cry and talk to
somebody, they would call on them to

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bear their testimony, like within fifteen
minutes, just to clean out of them

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anything that they might I might have
said wrong, or it was very targeted.

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There's been people now on the outside
to have come forward and said there

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was a hit out on me direct
from Warren. He was telling people that

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I needed to die because of like
blood atoment. He's trying to say there

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was just reasons. But every caretaker, every man that he put over,

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you know, like I was on
twenty four Watch and all that he did

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have these care to they didn't want
to shed inness and blood because that's the

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other side of blood atoma. So
that's what we were fighting against. Just

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like they had to prove that it
was just and they would get to a

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point where they're like, this is
just not just. Yeah, and then

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he would move me to another house
and not really start over, kind of

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just heighten it to a different level
at the other house with a different person

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who hadn't been through all the same
experiences. So you think if if he

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had put a caretaker over you,
that would have agreed with him that you

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were bad news, that you could
have lost your life. Oh yeah,

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wow. Yeah, if he could
have, he could have gotten it to

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that point. He did try very
very hard to get somebody, because he's

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in prison by this time, to
try to get somebody to take me out.

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Yeah. I fought too. I
fought really hard too. Yeah.

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Is this something you saw like in
other people where did you see other people

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get a hit out taken out on
them, or I didn't see it.

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But I got to a point in
my experience where they told me if I

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killed myself, they would tell everybody
was an accident. If I didn't kill

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myself, they would tell everybody I
did it myself. So basically, I

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believe they're very secretive about that kind
of stuff, like high profile stuff.

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They don't want to do in public
sect everyone too much. So maybe it

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did happen, Yeah, but you
did, but no one knew about it.

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They just call it an accident.
They kind of threatened them, you

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know. Yeah, I look so
the more you talk about the secrecy and

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how how women have to bear their
testiment to you within a few minutes if

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you show any doubt, I think
about the motto is keep sweet, right,

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And the more that I heard keep
sweet, it would just trigger me,

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like keep sweet, Like I hate
the women are supposed to be dumb

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and quiet and never upset and always
just so kind, and I hate that

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it makes my blood boil. How
was that for you? This whole keep

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sweet? It's kind of like saying, shut up, be happy and do

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what we say. I didn't understand
that that was detrimental in there. But

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I did know that I was getting
numb numb, I was being targeted,

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and it was becoming public, you
know, in the family, and I

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was still having to keep sweet for
my own life sake. So like I

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would numb it out, Yeah,
like I would. I would sit through

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a training and I wouldn't even move
the entire time, hardly even dart blink

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because it was just so intense.
For those three years that I was harassed

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and nearly but that was after he
went to prison, and it started right

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after he went to prison. I
believe it's because he actually didn't really succeed

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in making me an accomplice. I
mean I went to the introduction and it

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talks about them in the documentary,
and then I never went back. So

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basically because of that secret meeting in
the Texas when all the women and all

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that were in the room that meeting, I walked away from and never went

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back. So like now I know
on the outside, if you get introduced

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to something and you don't go back, it's a good sign for you because

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you basically decided you don't want to
commit that crime, you know, right,

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So I successfully avoided him in houses
of hiding and talks about that after

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I successfully avoided him because I didn't
want to have underage brides and all that

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in the room and all that.
So anyway, because I successfully avoided him,

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then I think I believe I was
the only one who actually successfully did

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that. So when he got caught
and he realized he was never going to

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be able to pull me back into
an experience like that and make me a

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full accomplice because I kept going back
and back and back for more. So

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you're saying the crime was underage bride's
underage brunt. Okay, Well, he

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had him in the same room as
a bunch of adults and was telling them

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to undress and all that. So
he had a whole trick way of getting

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everybody involved, and I was in
the introduction to that and tricked into not

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realizing that there was underage rights in
the room until after, like he told

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us to stay focused on him and
not turn around and all that. So

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anyway, when he did give his
permission to turn around, there was underage

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rights in the room watching us.
So that was horrific. And I never

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went back to any of those meetings
again after that time frame. So after

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I was introduced to it, I
had to do a lot of things for

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like basically for survival, Like I
had to really be conscious of not attacking

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him on that belief. So I
would have gone and I just said,

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I don't like this. I don't
want to be a part of this.

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I witnessed him tell other wives you
have to stay, you cannot leave,

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and he would get angry over things
like that and feel like it was a

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gest reason to be angry. But
in my experience, I just wrote to

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him, said I need more time, and he bought into my story.

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He let me leave Texas and then
basically I never was brought back into those

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experiences because I was openly rebellious from
that point on. And because I was

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openly rebellious, it protected me from
going back to Texas where he was.

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So when you say accomplice, so
he's got women in their witnessing, yeah,

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underage bride, So now maybe he
can blackmail say, well, don't

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you if you tell on me,
y'all are all going to prison too because

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your accomplices? Was that the idea? That was the idea? Wow?

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Yeah, they didn't highlight that very
very good in the documentary. I don't

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feel like, Yeah, but I
think it's super important to recognize that,

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Like, I feel like I can
talk about it more openly than most of

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them will ever want to or ever
be able to. Some of them did

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have kids on the property, and
I believe in a court setting that would

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also be considered. They would do
anything in these underaged writing secret meetings because

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they don't want to leave the property
and put their younger children at risk.

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That to me would make sense in
a court setting also. So there'll be

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some of those stories, and I've
already heard some of those stories. In

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my mind, I don't have as
much compassion for women that didn't have any

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kids on the property and stuff,
And maybe I should. I'm not a

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judge, but in my mind I
was so targeted and so abused that if

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I had more support, it would
have been so much easier. Of course,

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in that timeframe when I was going
through that, Yeah, I just

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think that the women had more responsibility
because like, you know that he had

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seventy nine wives. How could I
you know, want of user in domestic

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violence is enough, right, it's
too much? Yeah, Yeah, So

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he had like forty nine kids and
seventy nine wives By the time he went

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to prison so well, also getting
that many people to go along with it.

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You think that someone before you would
have would have snapped and gotten the

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heck out of there, you know
what I mean? Why were you the

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only one that I was in it? Well, because he made those elite

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groups, and he had the guard
towers and the gate around him and cameras,

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and he put me on twenty four
hour watch because I was succeeding his

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aviating him. You're a problem,
don't think right. Yeah. So basically

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when he made it like a concentration
camp, he told him it was the

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holy place we're going to build where
all. But it was kind of like

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a concentration camp for some people,
and nobody wanted to be in that position.

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They were basically physically trapped at that
point. It wasn't just the mental

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cage that we were used to growing
up. Gosh, did you have family

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on the compound? I had my
sister. Some of the time. They

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would hide everything from her, They
would just spoil her rotten, and I

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don't know, she was instrumental in
convincing my biological family that none of it

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was true and that they did it
was the profit that was really crazy because

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it never happened to her, And
I was like, of course it's not

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gonna happen to you. They don't. They can't do that. That wouldn't

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be secretive. Let's talk about probably
your trauma that I'm guessing you may or

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may not still feel today. You
had this entire life of nobody standing up

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for you. My father did good. That's that's awesome to have one person,

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did you stand up publicly though?
For you? That's what I'm saying.

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Even at the wedding he was crying, but he didn't there. Yeah,

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yeah, because then he lose the
rest of his family. He told

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me, he's always like I didn't
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you have now more of an understanding
of why he couldn't do anything, you

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know, because I feel like when
I look back at people who didn't stand

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up for me, it's angering because
damn it, you should have. But

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you you look at it like he
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could have. Yeah, I feel
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I learned a critical thinking from him. And also in psychology, they say,

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if you have one parent who loves
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to be better off. That's where
I feel like I learned love from.

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I think of love as like stability. Oh I love that. Yeah.

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Do you have much a relationship with
your biological family now? Um? I

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have two brothers that I'm really close
to. I have my father who I

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talked to all the time. He's
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he was kicked out a week after
I escaped. Oh wow, where is

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he now? He lives? Was
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all the time. Does he still
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is seeing more? No? No, they won't even let him come back

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when he was kicked out. They
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return. So does he still prescribe
to those beliefs or is he I'm just

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curious, like when people leave,
what do they do? Okay, he's

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changed a lot. It was a
slower process. I feel like than sure

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some of the kids and stuff.
I know. It's really loving in Jesus

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like to kick people out, you
know what I mean. I don't one

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of you try to explain the reason
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church. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, there's nothing Jesus about these

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religions. I think. I think
it's yeah, it's about them. It's

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about the leader, you know,
getting everything, and yeah, it's not

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about the people, because like even
in my situation being elite, we weren't

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working a regular job. We were
a whole body, Like he had seventy

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nine wives that are just staying home
all day teaching school and stuff. But

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like basically we were working all the
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you know, because he's requiring so
much money from them. It was a

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horrible setup. Wow, scammer,
do you still have some friends within the

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flds, like in the compound that
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on the outside mostly, gotcha?
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guess does imply I was going to
ask if there was one person you could

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save out of the compounds, who
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you really didn't have a lot of
tight relationships because you were too rebellious,

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I sure all the one thing one
if I was you know, a dream

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world of who I would save,
it would be my mother. I really

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wish sometimes that I had a better
relationship with her. Sure, I really

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wish that I would have tried at
twenty six. You know, it was

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when I escaped and I didn't know
how to go there, and I don't

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think what the church it would have
been good. But you know, I

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have such a close relationship with my
mom that adopted me now that I just

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wish that I could also have that
with my badge. She is she able

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to talk to your biological father.
No, she's on the inside still and

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he's on the outside. So we
haven't talked for eleven years. So yeah,

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Wow, do you ever wonder what's
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I know that my sister, who
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assigned to take care of her.
So it's like a trauma bond kind of

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the ball not going to leave because
of the other one. Wow, I'm

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wondering because throughout the documentary you keep
having times pop up where you're thinking,

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I gotta get out of here,
I gotta get out, and you do

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make a few attempts. It's not
like you had one day where you're like

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I'm done. You jumped and that
was that. So I'm curious. Do

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you remember like what specific teaching or
what specific moment kind of triggered you over

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the edge where you were like,
I'm going to try to start getting out

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now. There was a few of
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basically the first one was realizing that
the god I had been taught about my

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whole life I didn't believe in because
Warren Jeff's didn't act out like he was

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requiring more of me than he was
doing. Oh yeah, you know.

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I woke up in that in a
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was openly rebellious to everyone. I
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sure I don't go back to the
group before I decide I'm ready. It

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got to a point where Warren Jeffs
was calling me up directly and I was

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just telling him I'm reading. I
didn't tell him the real reasons why I

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wasn't going back. I just said, I'm studying because I want to be

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further ahead in my life. I
want to know if this really works.

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You know, I can't just trust
it it works, because like you know,

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I didn't tell him that, but
that's what I was thinking. I

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can't just trust it. It works
because of all the good people that were

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following his program that we're kicked out, Like, why would that be something

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I wanted to do if it wasn't
succeeding. So after studying for a long

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time his words, because that's the
only books and the only recordings I had,

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I just started realizing more and more
and more like this God, you

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know, I'm learning out how to
make it into his kingdom. But like

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he doesn't exist, and this is
Warren Jeffs interpretations. He's the one that's

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given me all these all these trainings, and he's not living this way,

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So like, yeah, this God
doesn't exist. Is that your proof that

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God doesn't exist? Based on the
way you were seeing this religious leader live

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his life? Clearly, because that's
how he taught us. He was supposed

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to be the example. He's at
the top of the pyramid, he's supposed

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to be the closest to God.
So you were so disappointed in his actions,

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You're like, this can't be real. God can't exist. If this

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is God's representative, then it's both
this sucks. Yeah. Yeah, because

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even if I went over to another
poligamy group saying they had a different leader

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that maybe was leading. All the
doctrine, all the doctrine I had been

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given was Warren Just's interpretations, so
it wouldn't be this exactly the same way

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of making it into heaven. Do
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is the prophet and talks to God, or you think he's just scamming people

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and knows it. I think he's
a narcissist, a sociopath. He really

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likes to take away people's hope,
really slowly, antagonized. He thinks it's

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funny, thinks it's fun, He
enjoys it. He has their heaven,

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you know, their ultimate dream,
and he's raised them to believe in this,

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you know, wonderful place. And
he's slowly just telling them, ah,

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well it's right here, but you
can't get it, you know it's

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right. It's just really sad to
watch. It's just horrible. It's very

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maculative. Yeah, and remember he
had that one moment they showed him in

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prison talking to his brother yet a
moment of doubt. He kind of related

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to his brother, this isn't real. I remember that. But then he

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came back around. Yeah, then
he came back around. We didn't hear

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about that inside of there. Sure
they didn't let us scare those recordings.

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Right later on in the documentary talks
about how you were having PTSD episodes.

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I would love to get into that
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of our listeners have PTSD from the
trauma they've gone through from their religions.

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So, yeah, do you mind
talking about that for a minute. Yeah.

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So, first off, like it
talks about how I was on eight

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Andrew saraquill and I've had people come
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overdrugged. We knew that if we
stepped in, we'd get punished, but

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not only that, then the other
people in the office would lose their family

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and stuff. So like they were
being trenned to give any more drugs and

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a lot of them were doing it. So like I had so many at

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eight hundred milligrams as cycle by the
time I left. And I believe the

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only reason why I would survived,
because that's actually lethal those wow, is

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because I built up to it then
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And also I was fighting it so
hard. Why'd they say you needed

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it for sleep? I was fighting
sleep because I wasn't safe. I don't

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think that's really supposed to be prescribed
for sleep. It looks like it's for

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part of it, but it's not
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and schizophrenia and borderline personality or something. I just look this up. Bipolar

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disorder, that's what it's for.
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tell me that if I was fighting
really hard for something, you can take

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more of it. I don't think
he really wanted to prescribe that much to

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me, but he didn't. You
know, he would lose his family if

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he did. What's a typical dosage? Seems like that's so hard. Do

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you have any idea what a typical
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maybe two hundred, that's still pretty
high. You were on eight hundred.

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I was an eight hundred by the
time I left. Wow. The usual

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I'm reading this, the usual recommendation
for insomnia is twenty five milligrams once a

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day at bedtime. Yeah. Yeah, and you were taking eight hundred.

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Yeah right now. So when I
left, I went called turkey off of

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medicine obviously, because like I was
running for my life and all of that.

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So then there's a whole side effect
thing to that in most medicines,

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but I was still fighting like everything
for survivals. So I learned a lot

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of skills about reading people in the
cult, like I learned to reading people

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quite well withoutwards. I believe it
did help me a lot when I met

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new people in my life. I
would still apply those things really naturally.

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Yeah, vigilance is a trauma response, yeah for sure. But in flight

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mode, where I was literally running
for my life, they were chasing me.

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They put me on the missing list. They told every activist out there,

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they all tell me they got a
phone call that said she is under

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my mother's custody and you need to
like return her. And I was twenty

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six years old, but they were
trying. I believe if I would have

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got brought back, they would have
succeeded at taking away my American rights.

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But because I was twenty six and
that hadn't happened. If I would have

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been put in front of a judge
and my family has all turned on me,

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the doctors are all saying one thing. I don't think the judge could

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have read through it. I don't
think they would have believed me. Wow.

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Yeah, So when you say,
when you say take away your American

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rights? Is that just like the
conservative ship that Britney Spears went through.

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Oh gotcha. Yeah. And if
I get put in a sane place and

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the person who has my rights is
somebody in the colt that Warren Jeffs puts

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over me, I'm screwed, which
it would be. Yeah, which it

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would have been, And nobody would
have known me. And he has done

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that to people, and I didn't
realize it was stacking up on me.

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So basically saying you're not fit or
competent to make decisions for yourself, you

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can't sign documents. It would have
never mattered if I really was competent.

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Sure. I was running from that, and that was really one of the

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biggest factors why we did the whole
social change and get legally adopted, because

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then if I ended up in the
hospital for flashbacks PTSD, which was pretty

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bad obviously coming off cold Turkey and
medicine and all of that, Yeah,

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it would make so that if I
was in there too long for a temporary

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facility, then the decision usually goes
to a family member to make a decision.

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I didn't want to wake up in
the FLDS. Yeah, so it

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was your your adoptive mom could.
Yeah, so my adoptive family would make

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that decision, and now my husband
right, Yeah, so that was huge

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to do the It took two years. Wow, were you nervous those entire

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two years? I went to Tennessee. I lived in Tennessee for two years.

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Nashville did the PTSD lesson when you
got off to SARAHQ Will like,

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do you think that was mostly what
was causing it? Or was just your

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shitty upbringing it was? I'm not
on Saraki where at all. I didn't

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have constant clarity. For the first
six months, I'd have days that were

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better than others, Sure, and
then after that I'd have a like a

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really big panic attack, kind of
like a really big I call them PTSD

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episodes every six months, and I
did end up in the hospital for a

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temporary time frame. What were those
like? Did something trigger it? Were

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you having thoughts during it? Trigger
fear based? Mostly? Sure? After

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I moved back to Salt Lake after
the two years, when my identity had

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all been changed, I was convinced
to move back to Salt Lake because of

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when they changed my Social Security number, they didn't change my SSI in the

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same month so I couldn't pay my
rent. My attorney was like, I

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just got some free tickets from an
XFLDS boy who said the town in Cardo

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City is changing. He just became
a pilot. He had these free tickets.

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He said, if any bids in
crisis, tell him to fly home.

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Oh wow. In Salt Lake,
I stayed with an XFL the s

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lady for a while. But anyway, PTSD usually gets farther apart over time.

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Yeah, that's great, and that's
what happened to me. So like

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it was four years. Last year, I did have a small episode.

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It was a less amount of time
than usual. So that was a year

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ago, but before that it was
like five years, four or five years.

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Do you still like fear for your
life? There are days where I

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worry a little more, but I
think it's been eleven years now and I

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have to tell myself to pull myself
out of those things. Because I thought

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the documentary i'd get a lot of
bad feedback, but I haven't got any

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actually so far, and most of
it is just confirmation that it was true

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and that was not what I was
expecting. So it's still a learning curve,

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but it's not the same one that
I was planning for. I was

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planning for a lot of people just
trying to deny it because they don't want

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to be in that mode of confirming
it, you know, but nobody has.

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Everybody just really sorry. And we
didn't realize that it was because of

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the secret meeting that he told us
to do all this stuff. We thought

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he was telling us because you really
did something bad. So, Shelley,

409
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:11.640
this seems like a good time for
a break. Break time we are back.

410
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:17.799
Hello, Hello, So you've done
some amazing things since leaving. I

411
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.000
would love to hear all about the
Dream Center. What is it? What

412
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.440
do you do? So? The
Dream Center is, to be honest,

413
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:30.000
they are Christian based. If you
put like a Mormon based facility where you

414
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get grants some way, the money
has to come from somewhere. Sure.

415
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.960
So basically, my mom, my
adoptive mom, has done small organizations for

416
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.720
years. She's worked in a lot
of those and they don't get the funding

417
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:47.759
in your top because the grants.
She's really bold about, like polugamy is

418
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.720
not healthy. We want to help
the victims of people that do want to

419
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:55.200
escape. There's also the whole side
of polugamy where they say you know,

420
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:59.559
like Sister Wife show where they're all
like saying, you know this is healthy.

421
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.799
You know, there's all those people
I called Stockholm syndrome. Polugamy is

422
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.200
Stockholm syndrome. They're capted by the
system, and some people identify with it.

423
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.079
They learned to say, you know, we're going to make this work.

424
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.559
Anyway. My mom is on the
captive by this system side, and

425
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.160
in Utah, if you are on
that side, it's really hard to get

426
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.960
funding for your nonprofits because you can't
get grants. Because I mean you can,

427
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.599
but like it's really hard to get
grants because of Mormons. The funders

428
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.960
have a lot to say in how
you run your program. So if they

429
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.799
don't you read the grants really well, they can just say like you can

430
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.160
only have this money if you do
it this way. Wow. That was

431
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.759
a big factor, And so my
mom wouldn't take those opportunities because they weren't

432
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:48.720
really opportunities. So she wouldn't give
the money, and then she couldn't help

433
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.839
the people because she doesn't have the
money. So anyway, the money has

434
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.359
to come from somewhere. So basically
we wanted to have a broader scale be

435
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.640
able to help the people in a
broader way. So the funding in the

436
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:07.079
dream center mostly comes from Christians,
and most not more about Christians again,

437
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:15.160
like ones that the Christians that actually
do behave like Jesus well hopefully in comparison

438
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.079
to wardships. Yeah, but I'm
just saying that's why the funding comes from.

439
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.119
And they do have a lot of
rules in the dream center to not

440
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.640
trigger people because it's, like we've
explained culture sensitivity. Walking into a rape

441
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.480
recovery center and say we're going to
talk about rape, you know, is

442
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.480
it going to be really horrific.
So we walk into a dream center and

443
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.880
say, we don't talk about God
here, right, because this is their

444
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.480
trigger in this area. So most
dream centers do have more of that because

445
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.519
they don't have that as the trigger. But the short great dreams that are

446
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.359
definitely we have to act our lives
out. We can't. We can't talk

447
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.079
about God in the facility unless somebody
asks about it pretty much, and anything

448
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.759
with church is optional, gotcha.
So it's it's a pretty good setup for

449
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:02.480
that. And actually when you get
in side of there, which not every

450
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.279
fld AS person realizes that it's a
little different, so they sometimes don't want

451
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.559
to walk in the doors. But
if they do take that step, what

452
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.559
they do find is like their story
will be believed. These people have no

453
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.720
reason why not to believe their story. Where if you go into a facility

454
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.599
that doesn't have a Christian base in
Utah, then there's that risk. A

455
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.319
lot of times with the Grand Route, a lot of people they're just told

456
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.279
it wasn't true. Take drugs because
like you just imagine that, that's a

457
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.720
really common thing to shush up victims
in Utah, I believe. So we

458
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.640
have to watch for that through any
grants we get too. When you escaped

459
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.880
FLDS, you ended up at the
Dream Center, right right, Okay,

460
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.519
how did that happen? How'd you
find out about them? So the Dream

461
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.599
Center is in Warren jesse old house. So the landowners in Colorado City is

462
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.839
a lot different because of the church
in the past. So fld as round

463
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:01.599
this little town. It's actually the
backside of Zion's Park and it has really

464
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.920
gorgeous mountains and stuff here. The
UEP was set up. It's a charitable

465
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.000
trust, so it's like a it's
kind of like a nonprofit type thing,

466
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.160
but it's a trust. So like
Warren Jeff's got up in church. This

467
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.599
is the fast version and just say, you know, like there's more long

468
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.279
versions of how this happened, but
the fast version is he got up in

469
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.039
church and said, if you want
to stay in the church, which meant

470
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.920
keep your family, then you need
to donate your titles to your houses to

471
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:32.200
this charitable chest called the UEP,
the United Effort Plan. Cite the United

472
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.920
Order if you probably understand a little
bit about the United Order. So a

473
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.200
lot of people did because they wanted
to keep their families and stuff. So

474
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.880
he owned almost all the property in
this little town, in this charitable rust,

475
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.640
this guy, and then he would
move people around. He'd say,

476
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.799
like big families go in this house
and small families go in this house.

477
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.799
And you know, like he just
moved everybody around. There was a moving

478
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.599
crew. They would show up at
your house in the middle of the sometimes

479
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.640
and just say we're moving today,
like everybody, Oh my gosh. Yeah,

480
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.079
it was it was a mess.
They just throw everything movie out,

481
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.759
moved somebody else in. That's just
yeah. He was doing that before he

482
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.400
became the leader, but he was
doing it through his father because he was

483
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.440
kind of the caretaker of his father. When he became the leader. He

484
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.480
ran from the law, and the
state took over the UEP trust, and

485
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.000
the state of Utah and Arizona took
over the trust and they gave it to

486
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:30.480
xfld S people, and that's why
this town is an older compound and it's

487
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.920
becoming mostly XFLDS now. When I
came back to Utah, I figured out

488
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.680
that the UEP rules were so I
was an illegal wife. I couldn't go

489
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.200
through court and get the house because
I was an illegal wife. But the

490
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.599
UEP had rules that if you were
if you built the house, or if

491
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.960
you're a wife of the person who
built the house. The XFLDS people made

492
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.920
these rules after they were put in
that position to by the state, and

493
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.960
they just said, we're going to
give it first to people who built the

494
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.079
house, or people a wife of
the person who built the house. And

495
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.119
I happened to be one of his
wives, and they knew I was because

496
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.199
they were XFLS people, and he
was in prison for life, so he's

497
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.119
not coming back to get his house. So I went and applied. There

498
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.599
was some of his family that supported
me in that cause they didn't really want

499
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.719
the house because it's a high profile
house with tons of bills. You know,

500
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.679
we weren't sure it was going to
be able to be anything, really,

501
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.239
so when we applied they supported me
in getting it they didn't And also

502
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.320
a lot of them had more history
with that particular house. That house was

503
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.440
in Hildale, Utah, and that
house was the house that Orangeffs lived in

504
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.679
before he became the leader. And
so I went into his family after he

505
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.400
was running from the law, not
on the most wantedless, but he was

506
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.880
running from the law. Didn't register
that until after the wedding. But anyway,

507
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:53.239
so I'm saying this house in Hilldale, he wasn't really at when I

508
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:58.039
was there, all right, because
he was already running from the law and

509
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.360
he was already gone. So when
I moved in there, I moved there

510
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.239
for like four months. And so
anyway, it's just easier for me to

511
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.840
deal with it than somebody who had
a lot of history that was bad there.

512
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.800
So that was the experiment, was
seeing if we could turn that house

513
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.960
around. When you escaped, where
was the first place you turned for help?

514
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.039
So for me, I ran to
a family in town that I had

515
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:29.320
heard had left altogether. So I
first worked my way back from the elite

516
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.840
groups into this older compound to Colorado
City because there are some XFLDS people here

517
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:38.039
and flbs. So I worked my
way here through like fighting for opportunities,

518
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.840
and it just so happened. They
decided to send me back to my biological

519
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.880
family to question them in some areas. So I got locked in solitary confinement

520
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.920
in this town and unscrewed the screws
in the window and ran to this family

521
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.119
I had heard about that had all
left together in this town and I knew

522
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.599
where they lived. Because I didn't
want to show up at the wrong house.

523
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.559
If it was an all the house, that wouldn't work for me,

524
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.559
So I had to go to somebody
I thought would help me. Well,

525
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.760
when I ran through a yard right
before I got to this family's house,

526
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.679
so it was a lady sitting outside
that was dressed to XFL the ASID.

527
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.679
She was like, can I help
you? And I was like, yeah,

528
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.199
I need to get up to the
neighbors. So she drove me up

529
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.400
there, and I didn't know her, but she's like, should I go

530
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.840
in or should I just leave?
I said she might as well come in,

531
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.599
So she came in, and what
she did is she knew the phone

532
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.960
number of the organizations on the outside. The family I ran to had two

533
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.480
recently left themselves and they didn't know
anybody on the outside either, so they

534
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:43.559
actually called my adopt the mom now
that very day. She's working for an

535
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.880
organization in a neighboring town. The
family I ran to drove me down to

536
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.719
her that day. They took them
all day to decide to do that,

537
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.679
but they said they would because they
wanted me to stay with them. They

538
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.440
were trying to convince me to stay
with them because they know me and they'll

539
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.519
take care of me. I was
like, no, this isn't gonna work

540
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.400
this time. So anyway, they
drove me out. I went to my

541
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:07.519
mom's house and she was the one
that I had lived through the aub group,

542
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.679
which is a different polemic group in
Utah. And I escape, that

543
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.880
is your adoptive mom you're talking about
right now? Yeah I don't, Okay,

544
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.000
Yeah, Kristin Becker. So she
wasn't my mom at that time,

545
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.960
but she fought so hard for me
and all of that that when I went

546
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.559
to Tennessee, I actually asked her
to adopt me. Gotcha, And she

547
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.239
was working for one of these organizations
that help people recover from the sort of

548
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.800
situation. Okay, yeah, And
was this all based in Utah then yes,

549
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.800
she's still based there. Yes,
so you basically you and your husband,

550
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.280
I guess established the Dream Center.
Since then we actually found the Trade

551
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.039
Center and gave them everything that we
could give them for the cause. And

552
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.519
then they did talk to the UEP
and all of that and figured it all

553
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.440
out. They did at least to
Own first to be showed the licensing would

554
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.000
be able to be in place,
and they actually took over the payments immediately

555
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.400
even though the contracts to the least
own were it done. So they took

556
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.079
over the power of the water all
of that immediately. What do you do

557
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:14.400
when someone like you you were in
the past comes to the door of the

558
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.239
Dream Center and it's like I just
escaped a cult? What do you How

559
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.559
do you help someone? So basically
we have an application and we just basically

560
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.920
set their own goals. Like if
they don't have an idea, which happens

561
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.440
in cults a lot because they have
midwives, then I don't always register them

562
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.719
with the state, so they don't
always have a social so it depends on

563
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.800
their case. We go through their
case with them and decide their own goals

564
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.559
that they want to have in their
own life. We do it over a

565
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.559
series of time. The first day
there's like six papers, but then you

566
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.960
know, over like a month,
will meet with them a few times,

567
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.719
figure out what they need. There's
no deadlines. You can stay for years

568
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.639
if you're as long as you're keeping
peace in the house and you're working towards

569
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:00.480
your goals. So they live in
the facility. Potentially it's always over fifty

570
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.840
rooms. It's like twenty eight thousand
square feet. Oh wow. It's the

571
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.519
goal to rehabilitate them in such a
way, like find them jobs or how

572
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:13.079
do they how do you transition someone
out, Teach them what a resume is,

573
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.440
to help them with their interview questions, get them a job. We

574
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.800
transport them to their job if it's
in town. It just depends what they

575
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.639
want, like if they want to
save up for a car. We actually

576
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:27.480
have a transitional house now, so
if they want to save up for a

577
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.719
house and it's for a more advanced
patient, so like when they've been there

578
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.199
for quite a while, we try
to move them over to the transitional house

579
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.639
and open up beds for more people
in crisis. Gotcha what percentage do you

580
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.400
think it is of the flds that
escape that get out in this town of

581
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.440
Colorado City and hill l Utah,
there's they in compass. They call the

582
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.519
both towns together. They call it
Short Creek. In Short Creek, there's

583
00:39:53.519 --> 00:40:00.360
like eighty percent xflds now twenty flds. Oh that's awesome. How many do

584
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.119
you think go back? Do many
go go back after they get out?

585
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.000
Not very many? A few?
Yeah? But that one thing also is

586
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.360
in my documentary. It talks about
like seventy other locations of flds, so

587
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.480
they scattered all over, but this
older compound is kind of like a hub.

588
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:22.400
And do you have to be FLDS
to qualify for aid through the Dream

589
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.760
Center or other organizations? Or can
you just be LDS? You could be

590
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:31.039
LDS, you can be m They
just prioritize poligamy groups and probably eldis two.

591
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.480
I don't know, but I do
know that they do take other like

592
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.360
domestic violence. They do take other
things if there's space, but they prioritize

593
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.440
the people from this culture first.
Sure, sure that makes sense. So

594
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.719
interesting? Is there is there a
way that we can tell our listeners how

595
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.679
they can help out the Dream Center, whether it's yes or a website you

596
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.920
can point us to. Yeah,
there's a website Short Creek Dreamcenter dot org.

597
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.719
That is such a great thing.
Do you think people within the compound

598
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.800
they're understand that there is the Dream
Center, that there is somewhere to go.

599
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:07.840
Yeah, maybe that's holding people back. They don't think they have any

600
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.639
place to go any way to start
over. They're stuck. That's one thing

601
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.960
about doing it in the prophet's house. Oh, they can't hide it as

602
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:22.840
easy product to the prophet, you
know, his house, Like, yeah,

603
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.800
that's smart. Yeah, oh that's
awesome. That's great visibility. Right.

604
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.239
I love that, And I've done
in home daycare in the past.

605
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.559
I've done right now, I'm a
fair support specialist as well as an RA

606
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.880
at the Dream Center. So I
did twenty hours as a FIR Suport specialist

607
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.079
and twenty hours as an ARA.
So basically when I did the in home

608
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.800
daycare I loved it, but I
just gave it away because of the documentary

609
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.039
coming out and all that, Like, yeah, you've been you've been busy.

610
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.880
Yeah, you seem a little busy
with the documentary. Where where have

611
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.280
you been? Kind you've been promoting
it and people want to talk to you.

612
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.719
What are some of the cooler things
you've done. So basically, we've

613
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.159
been to Phoenix quite a few times, but we're also planning a trip to

614
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:14.400
San Francisco, a big event in
San Francisco in September for Suicide Prevention Month.

615
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.960
Nice. And I love that because
my logo is the fire poppy,

616
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:23.440
and that's like the state flower of
California, but it's basically my logo because

617
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:29.320
it grows first after a fire in
some areas. Okay, I like it.

618
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.239
And also I had a butterfly on
my logo because I need that and

619
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.599
my angle of expertise, like what
I'm trying to explore and all that is.

620
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:42.320
I don't just tell my story all
the time. I'm working toward healing

621
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.000
from generational abuse. Yes, yes, absolutely, yeah, speaking of healing

622
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.559
really quickly. Was it hard for
you to do this documentary? Did it

623
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.800
throw you back too far? It
did? For That's why I had that

624
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:58.559
last week last year, I had
that little PTSD thing. It had to

625
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.679
do with the documentary and some of
the verifications finding out there was a hit

626
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.280
on me and stuff. But you
know, I healed a lot from that

627
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.639
and it wasn't as long as normal. I think a lot of that,

628
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.719
like when I do take twenty milligrams
of Abilify right now, And I think

629
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:16.360
a lot of that asked to do
with when I figured out what kept me

630
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.760
stable for five years. You know, I didn't want to backtrack and make

631
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.000
everybody paranoid again, because every time
you try to come cold turkey and with

632
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.639
a doctor or anything, if you
mess with your medicine, people all get

633
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.119
heightened in awareness and around you,
your support system kind of goes to their

634
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.320
own their own worry for you.
And I don't want that, So I

635
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.800
just decided I'd just stay on twenty
milligrams. It's better than upsetting my life

636
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:51.159
again. I think it's so amazing
that you were willing to do the documentary

637
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.800
and get back into that ugly place, work through some things, deal with

638
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.480
your PTSD as it hits you afterward, to help people. You know,

639
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.199
that's you put yourself through a lot
of additional shit that you didn't have to

640
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.559
just to help people. That's I
mean, that just speaks to your character.

641
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:15.159
Yeah, you are so brave,
so brave. Thank you so much

642
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.960
for sharing your story. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, is there anything else

643
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.079
you'd want to add that you think
we've skipped or left out or something you

644
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.199
want to put in there. I
think we're good. You know, I

645
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:29.199
have a website too, Yadecker dot
com. Yeah, b R I e

646
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.679
LLL Decker. It's not as nice
as the Short Creek one, but it

647
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.519
is there. Yeah, trying to
get there. We can put these links

648
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.360
in the show notes. But if
anyone wants to donate to the Dream Center

649
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:50.719
Short Creek dreamcenter dot org and check
out Prisoner of the Profit on Discovery Plus

650
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:57.599
or your Amazon Prime add on literally
amazing, jaw drop dropping Espyre. You

651
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.840
won't even believe it when you watch
this documentary. If they want to get

652
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.559
my book later, it's not out
yet, but they can send their email

653
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.679
and put it on like email list
from my um like through my website.

654
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.400
Oh cool book, Look at you
going? So what's the name of it?

655
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.920
Do you have a title for it
yet? Um? I don't.

656
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.320
I do know the title, but
I can't, like I have to launch

657
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.480
it right, what do you want? Yeah? We be good at that.

658
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.199
When is it supposed to be released? Um, we're working through the

659
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.199
Dream Center of self published, so
like we don't have everything figured out we're

660
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.960
close though. It's all written just
yeah, trying to get all right.

661
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.800
But if people send you an email
saying, hey, we're interested in the

662
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.679
book, then you'll have them on
a list. Yeah. Perfect, I

663
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.159
love it, I love it.
I will put all this in the description.

664
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.440
Brielle, thank you so much for
being our guest today. It's been

665
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:52.880
amazing to connect. But gosh,
I'm so glad we did. This is

666
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.440
so good. Yeah, so good. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right,

667
00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.000
thank you so much. That was
such a great interview. Seriously,

668
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.360
yeah, seriously, so fascinating and
what a story. I'm so glad she

669
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.000
escaped that ship. Oh my god. I would love to interview her again,

670
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.840
like in a year, two years, see what's going yeah with her

671
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.480
foundation and everything. Yeah, yeah, awesome, Thanks again Brielle for joining

672
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.559
us. Super awesome. Love your
story. God, it's it's heartwrenching and

673
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.480
also what a what a great happy
ending though heartwrenching and inspiring. Absolutely for

674
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.360
sure. Okay, we're gonna take
a quick break and then when we get

675
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.559
back, we've got a pod to
pitch. Shelley gets to que music I

676
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.559
do always fun, and then uh, well we got to figure out how

677
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.639
to do Patriot names to I've got
an idea. Don't spoil it, okay,

678
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:44.039
spoilers. Listen to the commercial and
stay after so that you know what

679
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.280
we're gonna do with the new names
that we are giving you. Alrighty,

680
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.360
please don't fast forward through the commercial. We won't get paid. That's right,

681
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.960
we won't get that three cents.
We get totally. It adds up,

682
00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.960
I guess eventually. All right,
be right back. We're back and

683
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.320
uh no, I want to talk
Mary. Okay. I came across an

684
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.960
awesome podcast called Late Learner. This
is by Alison Hair, and I want

685
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.480
to talk about it. Yeah.
So this is a blurb she sent us.

686
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.760
I'm just gonna read it. Read. It's about the conversations you have

687
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:23.239
once you outgrow where you are interesting. In other words, unexpected places to

688
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:30.800
find answers to your most important questions. It's bold, it's badass. Ready

689
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.840
to throw to the clip? Can
I yeah? Cute music? Seriously?

690
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:44.320
Well it's been a whusince I got
to do that. Cute music, bitch

691
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:55.239
your pus. Oh yes, how
about the get list instead of the bucket

692
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.039
list. You might be like me. You've checked all the boxes, you

693
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.280
did everything you thought you should do. You got the house, the kids,

694
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.719
the job, but something is still
missing. Why isn't it enough that

695
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.679
bright, playful spark of yours was
put on ice way too long ago.

696
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.639
And not only that, You've got
some bumps along the way that left you

697
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:22.639
a little bit bruised. But now
we are reviving that a live badass you

698
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:28.960
accidentally left behind and we're going bigger. Welcome to Late Learner with Me Alison

699
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.639
Hair, where we are breaking down
the behaviors that hold us back and learning

700
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.440
the cutting edge and most effective ways
to heal and move forward with confidence.

701
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.519
This podcast is for the person who
almost told yourself it was too late.

702
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.639
Turns out you are not about the
status quo after all. Subscribe to Late

703
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:53.760
Learner with Alison and Hair wherever you
get your podcasts. Okay, so check

704
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:59.760
out Late Learner with Alison Hair wherever
you listen to podcasts. Okay, it's

705
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.800
for patron names, Shelley. Oh
are we are we doing this again?

706
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.880
Well? Yeah, we are,
my phone, I know how you are.

707
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.960
How do we decide to do these
patron names? Well, because good

708
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.519
old Warren Jeff's um has lots to
say. As the prophet to the world,

709
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.880
we are going to give last names
of some dumb shit that he would

710
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:29.760
prophesy. Oh like fake prophecies.
Aren't they all fake? Did you have

711
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:35.440
to start fake? So all right, let's get started. So we see

712
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.599
how this has played our first patron. And by the way, God,

713
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.239
thank you for supporting us, all
of our patrons, even though thanking God

714
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.280
right now. Thank thank thank you, Heavenly Father for your Thank you,

715
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:53.360
Heavenly Father for this moisture we've received
today. What they stain that? Yes,

716
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.320
it's true. Oh my God,
you just say thanks that it rained

717
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.639
God? No, I believe Father. We're so grateful for this moisture we're

718
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:09.800
receiving today. You know, I'm
sorry. Mormons are just creepy. It's

719
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.800
just creepy, creepy. Did I
just say that? Yeah? Can't you

720
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:16.840
just talk like a normal person?
Can I say that I never said moisture,

721
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.800
never thanked jack Ship for the weather. I don't know why I didn't

722
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:25.039
cross my mind. Weather happens,
whether you want to do or the weather.

723
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.639
All right, let's get back to
the names. Okay, First up,

724
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:37.559
Lori pe or is it Luri?
Someone's waiting for that. It could

725
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.760
be Laurie or Laurie, I don't
know. You should see the spike that

726
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:45.519
happened on the recording. It good, it Hill, You're welcome people's ears

727
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:52.159
and Dan sorry Dan um So.
Something that I think that Warren Jess would

728
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:53.679
come up with is he would probably
say something like the starts of the pea

729
00:50:54.280 --> 00:51:01.639
pornography. I wish I could do
his creepy voice, monography is now only

730
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:08.320
for me, only for the prophet
that would be me. God, his

731
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:14.039
voice is so gross anyway, his
new revelation is pornography is for him and

732
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:17.079
him alone. Oh all right,
I like it, so, Laurie,

733
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.039
pornography. Sorry, Laurie, I
don't know. Your name is sorry together

734
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:27.239
and sucks. I can't remember the
time we had like good last names because

735
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.840
we fuck them up. Yeah h
yeah, it's not your fault, Laurie,

736
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.840
Luri, except as Andy and Andy
didn't bother giving us an initials.

737
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:40.559
So well, along the same lines, Andy is Randy's Randy. I wrote

738
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:45.159
it wrong. No, what Andy
is Randy because he's the prophet and only

739
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.840
the prophet has loved to watch porn? Oh so Andy Randy and that's actually

740
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:57.639
pretty good and new last name is
Randy Andy Randy you're welcome. Is this

741
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:02.000
all gonna be sexual? For sure? Melanie with no last name? Another

742
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.440
no last name, probably because they
don't want us to give them new name.

743
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.880
Haven't they learned that you will get
one whether you want one or not.

744
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.719
There's no please don't give me an
you fuck that. You're getting a

745
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.559
new name. That's what we do. You need a new name to get

746
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.000
into heaven anyway, you might as
well let us provide it. You know,

747
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.639
Shelley started this four years ago or
something, and we just cannot get

748
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.119
out of it. I can't.
I think it's expected at this point because

749
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.239
we do like to announce our patrons. And how do you suddenly say,

750
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.639
you know what patron's going forward?
You don't get the new last name.

751
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.599
I know it would be tragic.
Yeah, they might pull their support.

752
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.119
We're not having that. You're gonna
pay five bucks a month. You're gonna

753
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.639
get a fucking new name. All
right. Well, what's Melanie's last name?

754
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.320
We don't know, because you didn't. I know, I know what

755
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.920
you're than anyone. It's up to
you. You're doing this, okay,

756
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:54.079
So we have Melanie something that I
am sure and has already that this fake

757
00:52:54.199 --> 00:53:00.320
prophet would prophesy money. What about
money? Money must be given to me?

758
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:06.440
Okay, Melanie money, that was
your fake prophecy from Warren Jeff's Is

759
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.679
that a prophecy or more just led
demand. No, it's saying God told

760
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:13.280
me that you seemed to give me
money. Yes. I don't know if

761
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.960
prophecy counts is like future only,
But when this guy talks like this prophecy

762
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.679
to his fault, it's kind of
like when you get a fortune cookie and

763
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.000
it says something like you're a kind
person. That's not a fortune, that's

764
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.760
just a comment. Does that make
sense? I'm similar. But when he

765
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.400
says God said, God said,
God said money goes to me, give

766
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.679
me money? Yeah? Is that
what God told him? Melanie money was

767
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.519
in prison? Yep, thank you
for your support, Melanie, Thanks Melanie,

768
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:43.360
Thanks for giving us your money.
Oh maybe that was a prophecy oh

769
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.320
for us? Yeah? Oh she
was meant for us. What a sweetie

770
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:52.079
pie. But we do appreciate you, Melanie, Yes, yes, yes,

771
00:53:52.119 --> 00:54:00.239
okay, Next, Catherine s s
all sinners will suffer Beryl in the

772
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.280
afterlife. There it is. That
was good? Did you enjoy my Warren

773
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:12.039
Jeff little creeping too? Close.
So Catherine Sinners, Catherine's sinner. Good

774
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.039
job. I'm sorry, Actually,
is it? Yeah, let's see what

775
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.880
we can do for Joey, Jay
Jay what you got? I'm thinking,

776
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.119
and I'm gonna say, but this
isn't Mary. You're gonna put it into

777
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.719
Warren Jeff's voice. I think something
like judgment is upon you? Din't is

778
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.320
this Jeremy No, Joey, Joey
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,

779
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:37.599
Joey, Joey, Joey a little
too old man. It needs to be

780
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.639
more soft spoken, like sort of
high pitch, but not you know what,

781
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:44.840
No, this isn't a scandal.
I can't say that. Odd,

782
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:52.559
I know what you're saying. Okay, Joey judgment is upon THEE. I

783
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.280
threw in THEE? These better?
Yeah, yeah, he would say THEE?

784
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.320
Is it Joey judgment? Is that
what we decided? Yeah? Sorry,

785
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.679
Joey, Joey judgment. That's like
a cool rock star name. Joey

786
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.760
judgment. Joey judgment. That's not
really a prophecy though, what that judgment

787
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.599
is upon THEE? Listen, none
of these are prophecies. This is just

788
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.840
like God said, blah blah blah. All right, all right, Okay,

789
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:15.519
God said kids, take away your
toys. God didn't say the toys

790
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.360
will be taken away. God told
me to tell you no more toys kids.

791
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.400
Sorry, fuck off? All right, well, thank you Joey,

792
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.639
Sorry about the all the judgment that
sucks, sucks for you. Sorry.

793
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.480
Who's next? That's it? That
was five? Oh, that was five?

794
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.760
Already got Lord pornography, Andy,
Randy, Molina, money, Catherine,

795
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.039
what did we say about kid?
Who's an s Oh? Sinner Catherine

796
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.599
Sinner and Joey judgment? Thank you
all, And you know we have three

797
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:44.760
super Cast members to announce today.
What is Supercast? Get you? It

798
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:50.360
gets you Scandal sessions? Oh,
it's okay, we have to explain this

799
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:55.119
again everyone hang on, oh God, hang on. Okay. We have

800
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.960
two ways to get additional content.
One is through patriot on right. Everyone's

801
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:06.079
familiar with Patreon, but you have
to go to the Patreon either app or

802
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:10.119
site to listen to additional content.
Sometimes we you know, post a picture

803
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.960
of video or something there. Yeah, that's one way to do it.

804
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.320
Sure, you have to do it
on Patreon's app, right, Okay.

805
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.840
With Supercast, it goes to your
regular podcast player commercial free right. Well

806
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.440
yeah, scanal sessions are always commercial
free, and you also get regular episodes

807
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.559
commercial free. There we go.
Yeah yeah yeah, so commercial free episodes

808
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.400
and scandal sessions correct, and a
shout out on the show that's true and

809
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.239
name yeah, lucky, lucky you
new name. So that's the two things

810
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.199
Patreon and Supercast. Okay, that's
how you support us. Yes, and

811
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.119
if you're interested in doing any of
that. I know it's confusing, especially

812
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.599
to Shelley. Sorry. Just visit
latter day lesbian dot org slash support yea

813
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.320
and read all about it, okay, or ask me and I will confuse.

814
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.760
Oh yeah, she'll tell you all
about it. She has no idea.

815
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.960
Okay. So today's Supercast members,
we're gonna mention Autumn are Oh I

816
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:08.119
got this, okay, go only
finding old man. He's not okay weird,

817
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:15.039
he's this weird, soft and creepy. Yeah, only the righteous teenagers.

818
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:22.960
Oh God will be my next wives. That would be a prophecy from

819
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:28.599
creepy. I'm sorry, I'm sorry
everyone in prison, Jeff, good God,

820
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.760
Autumn Righteous, I'm sorry, Autumn. Wow, we are just making

821
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.880
these this new name process. Really
creepy Autumn Righteous, that's pretty good.

822
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.480
Just just ignore the rest, I
said, gosh, I'm really inappropriate today.

823
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.000
The next Supercast member is Rachel c. You want to take this one,

824
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.880
Shelly? I don't know. It
should be something about like the consequence,

825
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.360
oh, not following me the prophet? You want you want to you

826
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:58.679
want to put that one in Warren
voice? Give me a sentence. I'm

827
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:04.280
not sure, like the consequence of
you not following me? Uh huh is

828
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:10.599
something like eternal damnation? Okay,
go the consequence of not obeying the prophet

829
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:17.079
will result in internal damnation. That
was good, was it? I liked

830
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:21.760
how you put in following the prophet
because he talks about myself third person and

831
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:28.320
kind of like Elmo. Elmo does
that? Does he? But? Okay?

832
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.920
Last Supercast members, that was Rachel
consequence? Thank you? Last one,

833
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:40.880
Kirsten k okay. I think it
starts with Kay kangaroo Warren Jeff's loves

834
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.639
kangaroos. Does he those extra pouches? I don't know. Weird? Oh?

835
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:50.400
I got one huh something about you'll
get kicked out of the family.

836
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.320
Oh if you don't obey okay the
prophet? Do you want to try this

837
00:58:54.400 --> 00:59:00.119
one? Disobedient? No, kicked
out? I'm getting the ship. He

838
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:06.360
can't rush one Jeff's voice because he
talks some fucking slow anyway, Okay,

839
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:13.599
go ahead, just so obedience will
result in being kicked out of the what

840
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.679
do they call it, let'say,
eternal family? Eternal families. I don't

841
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.920
know. I kind of botched that
one. It was good. He got

842
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.800
the point across. He wouldn't say
kicked out. He would say, I

843
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:28.239
don't know, expelled. Do we
need a new K word? Is there

844
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.320
one kangaroo? You know what?
I'm gonna google? K words of langaroos?

845
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:40.480
Works are the most righteous of Australian
animals? Yes, what do you

846
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.679
care? Shit? Why not fucking
hate? Do it? God said?

847
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:50.599
God? Say fuck those wallabies or
koalas? No, they don't start.

848
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:52.880
Oh yeah, that's another K word. We already the kangaroo one in the

849
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.480
in the Jeff voices. And isn't
it kuka barak? I don't know is

850
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.159
that a K word? What's with
Australia and the sounding? I don't know.

851
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:05.800
I'm another shrimp on the ball,
all right, go with kangaroo,

852
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.519
Kirsten, kangaroo by the best one
we had. It's better than kicked out.

853
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.880
It's true. We're weird. I
mean, is he more likely to

854
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:15.639
say kicked out or kangaroo I don't
know. I don't probably get out.

855
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.079
It depends on what God tells him
to say. Mmmm. Well, he

856
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:23.920
would probably think he's really weird sounding
if he starts talking about kangaroos and koalas.

857
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:29.000
Yeah, but he never he's always
weird sounding. He never thinks he's

858
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.880
weird. Remember that one part in
the documentary where he basically admits he's a

859
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.480
fraud and then changes takes it back. Yeah, I'm like, huh,

860
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.679
okay, somebody has a little bit
more self awareness and their plan a game

861
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.760
right now. They're playing a game
with people's lives. Yes, so he

862
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:52.960
knows what's up. He does continue
clearly awful anyway, Thank you all for

863
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:58.239
your support. Sorry for butchering your
new name. Never sorry per usual.

864
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.800
Thank you Dan from a extension audio. Thanks for leaving it in. Really

865
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:08.119
appreciate you and everyone listening. Remember
steer clear those fucking cults because they're no

866
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.519
joke, no joke at all.
Talk to you later. Byebye,