WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:13.759 Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape cast. It is a 2 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:18.199 rare daytime recording, as you can kind of see if you're watching our video 3 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:22.440 version lights streaming in. I'm drinking coffee instead of got a coffee instead of 4 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:28.440 beer or whiskey. So different for us to all be drinking coffee instead of 5 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:32.159 booz It's like seeing your teacher at the grocery store. It's very out of 6 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.280 context. I think we're gonna make up for the booze part in the coming 7 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.439 week, though. We'll be all right, Yeah, you two, are 8 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:42.159 you making the tripe? Well I do, I did not right now. 9 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:44.320 Maybe by the time we're talking about video games. Yeah, you two are 10 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.359 flying. You two and Jake are flying out here in a few days we're 11 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.880 recording. It has been well, we'll talk about what we've all been up 12 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.640 to, mainly you two, but um, it's been busy for basically all 13 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.479 four of us here at fire Escape the last two and a half through well, 14 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.600 I mean the last year really, but especially the last two weeks hence 15 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:06.200 are Tuesday publishing if you're used to on Monday, as we apologize, but 16 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:07.680 a lot of people have Monday off anyway here in America. At least so. 17 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.319 I mean, it wasn't just me and Mary and Jake. I mean 18 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.439 we we had you on the couch and Jake. All four of us were 19 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.079 on the Giant Bomb couch and so yeah, that's true. I was there. 20 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.640 I was drinking wine as usual. It was fun. I was there 21 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.280 quiet, you're required than normal. Yes, snowbike Mike was there. It's 22 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:29.159 great to meet him. Um, Mitch. Mitch had no shoes on. 23 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.719 I got to see his feet finally, I've been asking him for years. 24 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:38.079 Oh yeah, Mary was next to Mike, who could forget? Yeah, 25 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.879 so for I assuming everybody knows, but for those who don't know, Giant 26 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.560 Bomb did their their perennial couch at Summer Games fust the not E three but 27 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.599 the new E three. I believe it was called Giant Bomb at night. 28 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:55.959 I have the mud look at that. I mean, aside from when I 29 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.840 was there, how did everything go? Because it seemed fun? Oh my 30 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.120 god, it was so good. Honestly, it felt it felt amazing after 31 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.079 like you know, I've been doing you three for a long time, but 32 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:08.159 nowon the Giant Bomb couches since twenty eleven before I worked there, and it 33 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.120 just felt so good to like I kept thinking that, like I left the 34 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.120 industry for three years and somehow never missed a couch, you know, like 35 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.439 I because the pandemic and everything, and now we're back and oh yeah twenty 36 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.919 one we didn't have anything. Yeah yeah, And I mean if for anyone 37 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:24.919 who saw it, like Jeff Grubb did an incredible job put in the couches 38 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:30.759 together and hosting and Jan keeping everything together and everyone from like bandom with Emma 39 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.680 and Bailey and it was just it was honestly, it was amazing. It 40 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.439 was just the green room situation was great. Tons of people just hanging out 41 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.120 having a good time. It was a man, it felt great. And 42 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.000 Mary having you in there was awesome. That that particular couch that we had 43 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:51.520 with me you Manati, Snowbike, Mike and Mahardy. Of course that was 44 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.560 a highlight for me. That was fun. Yeah, it was super fun. 45 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.960 I was in and out. I literally came just for that segment. 46 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.319 Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate you flying in. I love that you went 47 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.599 and got a glass of wine right before we went live, just to make 48 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.319 sure that you had that glass of wine as we were doing our segment. 49 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:15.120 I thought that was you know, made sure you had it, did you? 50 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.960 Guys know I like wine. I've seen you with some wine before. 51 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.199 Yeah, you're we're doing our So we're doing our joint bachelor bachelorette kind of 52 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.439 big just weekend away in like a week from right now, and you two 53 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.599 are flying out for it. Dan, describe it. Describe it to the 54 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:35.039 folks. How you've been describing it to me. I've been telling everyone that 55 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.159 I'm going to a wine fort in the Lacrosse Fields of State in New York 56 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:46.319 sort of a little bit. Yeah, um am I wrong with any of 57 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.120 those By the way. By the way, I'm not going to say the 58 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:53.240 street that you're on, but I mean it is the level of self parody. 59 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:54.960 It is the level of self parody that when I saw the address, 60 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:01.000 it might as well be like two to four Sailboat Avenue or something. Listeners 61 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.240 and viewers do us a favor if you if you have a guess as to 62 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.000 what I'm not going to tell you whether it's correct or not, because I 63 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.159 don't want people stalking us. But what is right in what you think? 64 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:13.159 Then if a street that we're on is a self parody of me, right 65 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.319 in what you think, it's called. I'm very curious what people uh to 66 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.439 firescape cast at gmail dot com. You texted the address that Tolstoy. Of 67 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:28.319 course, of course that's yeah, of course, yeah, it's dostayesky Lane. 68 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.319 Yeah, I'm curious how people think it is. And again I'm not 69 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.480 gonna tell you what it is, but um yeah, we're excited. It's 70 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:38.120 it's been very busy. I've been, uh, I've been doing of all 71 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:42.079 things, Tribeca Film Festival. I believe it's just called Tribeca Festival now here 72 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:48.040 in New York. Yes, I went to that documentary that we talked about 73 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:55.319 this the day before, Dan can I mention that you just uh can? 74 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.519 I wish you a happy belated on the show. Thank you you happy belated 75 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:04.120 birthday. I saw you birthday. Why was that? I chose not to 76 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.959 too fucking busy for us. I made the active decision not to go. 77 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.720 Yeah, she didn't say she was busy. She's like, no, I 78 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.759 don't want to come. I didn't feel like it. Yeah, I've done 79 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.759 a couple of things. Um I I'm trying to say this diplomatically. So 80 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:27.759 I went to a screening of an upcoming Hideo Kojima documentary. It's about an 81 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:32.000 hour long, and it's largely centered around forming the independent studio and then Sony 82 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.000 picking them up to put the publish, et cetera. For def stranding. 83 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:40.800 Uh wait, sorry what the person who made the documentary they're known for anything? 84 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.680 Oh? Um, I thought you were doing a Cogima joke. Um. 85 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.600 His name is Glenn Milner, the director. He I think from what 86 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:54.439 I gather, his specialty is kind of like behind the scenes esque documentaries of 87 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:59.079 certain movies, like he did he did one for Rogue, one with with 88 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:05.439 with a People. It was I think it was made largely for more casual 89 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.800 people, like was it made for Hideo Kojima? It felt like it? 90 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.839 And then guess who showed up and we didn't know he's gonna be there. 91 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.360 I guess who showed up to moderate? Is Kojima's best friend, mister Jeff 92 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:21.279 Keely Keely And also I've seen him in a Nicholas binding reference Nicholas around New 93 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:27.279 York City, just taking a million Instagram photos together. It's relationship. I 94 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.199 have no qualms saying what I think about. We've talked about William viinding refer 95 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:34.480 on the show before he introde the documentary and here's how he introed it, 96 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.920 and he goes up, He's like me and Hideo. I'm not going to 97 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.920 try his accent, but me and Hideo Kojima are similar artists in our outlook. 98 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.399 We also have similar glasses, and we are also very awkward in conversation 99 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.240 with the opposite sex. Without further ado, here's the movie. I'm like, 100 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:55.199 what the wow, Yeah, they're terrible with women, and yeahs, 101 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:01.639 what did mister Cogima think of that fucking intro um? And then there was 102 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:09.160 an hour long panel after. Obviously with interpretation it's a bit shorter, but 103 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:14.360 it was Keiley, the director, Glenn Milner, Kojima, and his interpreter. 104 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.959 And again it felt kind of maybe, and I will fully admit maybe 105 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:25.199 we are just a bit spoiled in the sense that we have attended a lot 106 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.560 of things like this. We've interviewed a lot of cool people. We get 107 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.720 we are just around cool video game creators, film directors, etc. And 108 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:36.519 it's awesome. I think it was more for the like Kojima stands, the 109 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.600 movie was made for people who really just wanted and I don't mean in like 110 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.639 the in like the in depth, in the way that you know Cogima's work, 111 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.519 Dan, Yeah, like a Maya Cogimastan. Yes. But so I 112 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:57.319 think it's more for people who like appreciate it, less for the specifics of 113 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:03.079 the work and more just like to kind of slobber over Kojima, Um like 114 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.600 he can do no wrong, etc. And I mean I'm the first persons. 115 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.120 Obviously we've talked about that stranding for I love that game now, but 116 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.680 the documentary just felt the documentary felt a bit. There's an undiplomatic term that 117 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.079 I will would use if we were not No, I don't want to say 118 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:24.040 it, dick writing. I didn't say it is that the term was close. 119 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.759 It's close enough a circle. I was gonna say a circle jerk. 120 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.519 But it's like it's close. But in the sense that I was like, 121 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.519 Okay, come like, there's not much of substance for someone going for work. 122 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.039 I'll say for me Um. However, earlier in the week I did 123 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.159 go to something super fucking cool. Mary, you'll especially appreciate this. Mike 124 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:50.080 Flanagan, the horror miniseries direct well Gerald's game Hush director but also director of 125 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.960 House, Haunting of Hillhouse, Haunty of Blind Man, or Midnight Mass Midnight 126 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:00.159 Club apparently is a huge fan of remedy entertainment and specifically Sam Lake's writing and 127 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.240 his games, the games that he's directed. So apparently Mike Flanagan was heavily 128 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:09.399 influenced by Alan Wake twenty Xbox three sixty game and the sequels coming out. 129 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.039 So they did a panel like a, Q and A, and that was 130 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.440 fucking awesome. I could listen to those two talk for hours, Like they 131 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.440 talked about horror in general, they talked about Stephen King, they talked about 132 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.519 each other's work, like, yeah, they gushed about each other's work, 133 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.120 but they also dug into specifics of it. And then I got the I 134 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.360 chatted with Sam Lake the next day, and they're doing some really cool stuff 135 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.559 with Alan Wake two. Maybe week this is better for the video game segment, 136 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.120 but all it's like they're doing some really cool stuff. They're doing the 137 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.759 dual protagonists. You've got Alan who spoiler alert for the end of the two 138 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.759 thousand ten game. It's been caught in this like limbo dark place since the 139 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.639 end of the game. The game the sequel actually plays takes place thirteen years 140 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.879 later in real times twenty twenty three and this new character, Saga. She's 141 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.559 an FBI agent sent she's a criminal profiler, sent to investigate stuff in the 142 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.039 pack Northwest setting of Alan Wake, Twin Peaks, etc. That is largely 143 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.679 inspired by True Detective Season one, like rural occult kind of Yellow King killings. 144 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.559 Yeah, and then right exactly, it's oh, I mean, but 145 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.840 it's yes, building on that, it's also super survival horror. Now it's 146 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.600 no longer like Allen Wake was more action horror. This survival horror. And 147 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.200 then the other half of it is Alan in the Dark Place, which takes 148 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.879 the form more of control, like urban dark, gothic New York City. 149 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.120 And Sam was saying during the Q and A or the panel that it's largely 150 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.679 inspired by Taxi Driver, like that vibe of urban isolation and neon kind of 151 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:50.080 seventies vibes. And you can switch once you unlock both those characters, you 152 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:56.960 can jump between their timelines. They're they're parallel timelins, but you can jump 153 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.840 between their playthroughs at will, because you're also going into what they call Saga's 154 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:05.039 mind place, like more and more detective games are doing this. It's just 155 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.200 represented as this room with like Charlie Kelly mail Room, Pepe Sylvia, clues 156 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.639 and leads and suspects and whatnot if you want, which I feel like note 157 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.120 of if people are talking about this, because it's super fucking cool. If 158 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:22.279 you want, you can play Alan Wake's story the entire way through until like 159 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.279 the end of the game basically, and then you have to get Sagaut to 160 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.960 that point. But you can both jump back and forth between them or just 161 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:31.600 stick with one the entire game, and there will be foreshadowing between them. 162 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:37.120 There'll be these like shared mirror to clues and imagery and whatnot. But I'm 163 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.679 kind of pumped for that game in a way I was not before that panel, 164 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.279 because the dual protagonist thing is cool, but I assume you'd be jumping 165 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:50.039 back and forth between them. Yeah, you can jump back and forth anytime 166 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.000 you want, but like at a certain point, wouldn't like Michael, like 167 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:58.000 his storylines or his available missions wouldn't progress unless you did a Trevor or correct 168 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.159 right, and then how that worked where I could go all the way and 169 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.440 then go back and do all the way with it. We're in the exact 170 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.600 same way of Liketh. They literally have a story on Polygon right now. 171 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:07.799 That I wrote based in the interview. That's it's taking GTA five's character swapping 172 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.120 to a weird new place. It's yeah, imagine if you could play Michael 173 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.919 all the way basically till the end, and then go back and do Trevor's 174 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.759 stuff before Franklin. But also they're not like in GTA five they were sharing 175 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:20.799 the same physical space, and it sounds like this they will be like correct 176 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.879 totally different like realities. Right, Yeah, saga is there, I think 177 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.720 largely because Allan's been missing and there's more stuff happening, so she is aware 178 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:33.159 of who he is. But they are very like she's very resonable for True 179 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.559 Detective season one survival horror, he's more like control Allan wake one vibes of 180 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.960 I think that's still survival horror, but it's like New York City urban, 181 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:46.480 dark, weird, surreal Dave David Lynch stuff. That sounds awesome if it's 182 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:48.440 less action, because like, I love the vibe of Allan Wake one, 183 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.360 but like the action of it did not really work with me at all, 184 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.200 So if like give me that vibe but also just make it more actual survival 185 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.080 horror, And that sounds like exactly what I want out of that. Yeah, 186 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.519 but I actually replayed it recently. I still really the remastered one on 187 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.720 PS five Series X, and I really like it. But yeah, by 188 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.000 the like third chapter, the Flashlight Shotgun interplay gets kind of old. Very 189 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.080 nice play Devil's Advocate though, and say that one of the things that I 190 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:22.039 liked about requiring to jump around between characters and GTA is that I got to 191 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.399 see perspectives of other characters lives and how that influenced the larger world. And 192 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:33.159 so not having creators like players do that, could you care? So you 193 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.919 can ask them, but if you're not making them, sure, and I 194 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.279 could just play one character, couldn't I be losing like really good context of 195 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.559 what's going on and probably the value add of that game, which is you're 196 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:50.159 seeing dual issues that are happening in different universes and how they play off of 197 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.320 each other, for sure. And Sam Lake himself was like, we're really 198 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.679 fucking nervous that we're giving players this much control to exactly what you're saying, 199 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.000 because he's like he was saying to our interviews, like you've played my games, 200 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.279 you know that, by and large we tell fairly linear stories, and 201 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.960 there is like the amount of kind of directing the player where to look at 202 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:13.679 certain times, so to speak, is valuable. And yes, I think 203 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.919 I'm excited for the structure. I definitely think it's way riskier because you could 204 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.919 lose a lot of not everybody might be recognizing these like parallels between the storylines 205 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.759 throughout the whole thing, for sure. And what are the two characters Again, 206 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.320 There's Alan Wake who's been stuck in the Dark Place quote unquote since the 207 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.360 end of the first game. He's in that like surreal mindscape, nightmare or 208 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.639 New York City and then like a new character that no one knows. Yeah, 209 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.279 he's to stand in for the audience whether you haven't, like even if 210 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.120 you played the first game, it's still been thirteen years. He said. 211 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.080 They didn't want people to have to do homework in order to get ready for 212 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.639 the sequel. So it's the FBI. He's the guy who's like, so 213 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:54.879 you're saying Alan Wick has been in the Dark Place for thirteen years, that's 214 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.320 crazy. This writer goes into the woods. He's got a plash like, 215 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.120 yeah, he's like, it helps that she's an FBI agent because she's also 216 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.840 kind of doesn't know a lot of what's going on either. So she's coming 217 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:16.120 in and her partner is Alex Casey, but it's Sam Lake like he did 218 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.519 with Max Payne one and two. It's him acting, And I remember if 219 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:26.919 there's actually acting an equivalent to the term meet cute for where you're trying to 220 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:31.799 explain a synopsis really quickly. For newbies, a meat cute is the concept 221 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:37.360 in a film, in case anyone isn't familiar of, when two protagonists or 222 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.039 at least two people that are meant to have a romantic interest meet and it's 223 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.679 called a meat cute in film. I wonder if there's like that kind of 224 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.679 concept for how do we explain the entire fifteen year backstory quickly? And it's 225 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.039 like, well, our main protagonist is a writer and he's explaining to his 226 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.720 wife the synopsis of his book, which is the entire story, so that 227 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.840 he can get fucking into it immediately. Yeah, whatever that is. There's 228 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.000 entirely a chance that they might fuck up Alan Wake too, But I am 229 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:14.879 definitely more excited for it than I was, um, because it the fact 230 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.519 that they're doing like True Detective season one kind of stuff is awesome. Um, 231 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.600 did they say that or did you come to that conclusion. No, 232 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.600 they they've said it. He said true everybody fucking loves True to Secive season 233 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.000 one and it's so funny. Is the only show I can think of where 234 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.279 you have to specifically say season one? Yeah, like what everyone knows? 235 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:33.399 Like no, one's like, no, I didn't like season one, but 236 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:40.399 two is where they got me. Yeah it's gonna be Yeah, True Detective 237 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.440 season two, that's really when it took off. Someone didn't like season one 238 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.360 of True Detective and loved season two. I just don't ever want to talk 239 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.840 of that person. It's qualified from being a person I'm interested in. They're 240 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.840 out there and the fact that I don't know them. I want to keep 241 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.279 it that way. Yeah. There, we're all we all have different life 242 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.039 paths and outlooks on art, but what the fun I would have loved if 243 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.559 on stage? Sam Lake's like, it's very inspired by True Detective, not 244 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:08.839 season two. I haven't seen three yet. I hear it's good, but 245 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:15.039 this is one with rust call and flat circles and yellow kings and Reggie Ledou 246 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:23.279 not Colin Farrell, and really inspired Simpson's season fourteen. Yeah, yeah, 247 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:29.359 Allen Wake three is going to be four. Yeah, right when it gets 248 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.440 right in the sweet spot. Oh, the best season of rest of development, 249 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.880 the fourth one. I'm super I am very excited for this one because, 250 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.920 like, I've always loved the vibe of Remedies games, but I feel 251 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.119 like the vibe is at odds with like, like I love the idea of 252 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.960 Quantum Break, and the gameplay was not good. Um Control was the first 253 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:52.920 one where I was like, Okay, they nailed it. Were the vibe 254 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.559 and the actual gameplay. I like both of them. And so now that 255 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.480 I'm like on board with Remedy, this sounds like a very good one. 256 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:06.400 Yeah, and he said, like he fully knowledge like Survival Horror will actually 257 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.440 allow us to tell a story that's kind of in concert with the gameplay, 258 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:14.200 where our past games have not always done that. But yeah, I'm hoping 259 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.240 their post Control career they just keep the hits going. Control was successful, 260 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.039 right, Yeah, they went from after Control, he said. Then they're 261 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:27.279 working on other projects. They announced that like um nebulous kind of like uh, 262 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.319 what do you want to call it? Live service shooter based in the 263 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:37.519 Control universe. They also are doing that. They're they're working with other studios, 264 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.200 but they went from like one hundred people to four hundred after control. 265 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.519 Oh geez, okay, I don't know how many people of those are working 266 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.640 on Alan Wake two, but yeah, I'm excited that comes out mid October, 267 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.599 along with every other game ever aside from Starfield, we're doing doing all 268 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.480 this game analysis. Twenty minutes into the show. I know it's weird. 269 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.920 Uh, that's not what we do. But everything that we've been doing has 270 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:04.319 been gaming adjacent and everything that I've had less time to play games in the 271 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:07.079 last two weeks than I've had like every But you're right, like summer getting 272 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.279 you've been observing games at summer games. First, I'm certain. Yeah, 273 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.680 I'm doing what if I've been doing. Beside, I've been busy too. 274 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.160 I didn't see what I've been watching anything fun. Oh I finally watched I 275 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.759 think you should leave season three. It's good. It is good, and 276 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.880 I've told people this, I need to watch it again. If I think 277 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.599 season two is the best, I would give season two an A plus. 278 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.480 Season one, I'd give a minus A. Season three. There are some 279 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.680 really good sketches, but overall, and it's a sketch show. You're not 280 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:45.079 you're not homework score we have a fucking score forgot okay, Season one a 281 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.079 minus. What a fucking it's my academic side coming up. I would give 282 00:19:52.119 --> 00:20:03.720 it an sent. Season one was eight point five, Season two was nine 283 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:08.200 point five. Season three I would give like overall a seven. Oh wow, 284 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:14.279 I like the fucking zip line sketch is really fucking good. I really 285 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:19.240 liked a man. See, They're not popping into my head immediately like season 286 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.240 two. Granted I've only watched season The dog Door one I liked a lot. 287 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.680 Dog Door was good. Guy, the guy talking to on the boom 288 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.480 mic on the comedy set was really good. That was good. The wrestlers 289 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.960 with the proposal was good. That was good. My other favorite one was 290 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.759 when they used the Santa Claus guy again with the same shirt brothers yea and 291 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.839 I am absolutely lost my ship. When he's running back to the auditorium to 292 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:48.680 catch his daughter's solo in this like children's choir, and then she starts just 293 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:53.839 rapping for her solo. It was so stupid. Um But like the fact 294 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.680 that, uh again, I need to watch it again. I think Patti 295 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.240 Harrison was grossly under used her sketch, the one where she was putting stuff 296 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.400 on the cardboard cutout of her Boss. That one I didn't love. Yeah, 297 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.319 but there were some good ones, but overall it's it's weaker, I 298 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:11.599 think. But I need to watch it again. Maybe it'll grow on me. 299 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.839 I've seen them all just once, like all the seasons. I think, 300 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.880 I just watched them all in like one sitting for the most part, 301 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.039 and to me, they're all like a solid eight eight point five. Yeah, 302 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:23.200 you've probably seen all of them like a billion times, so I have 303 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.039 a more discerning view of it. Yeah. I will definitely like have it 304 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.960 on when Jake gets to our apartment later this week, and I'll see more 305 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:33.039 of it. But it was good. I liked it. I enjoyed it. 306 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:38.440 I definitely didn't one sitting. I did an accident where I left mid 307 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:41.759 season, and I came back and I watched an episode and I was like, 308 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.160 oh my god, this episode's so good and it was from season two, 309 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:52.400 and I guess like my Netflix automatically restarted an episode from season two for 310 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.160 some reason, and oh my god, it's so funny, and I forgot 311 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.799 how funny season two is. And I will agree. I think season two 312 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.599 is one of the funniest seasons I've ever seen of any Netflix series. It's 313 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.720 unbelievable how many good sketches came out of that. But season three has its 314 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.200 moments too. Yeah. I was watching the episode where the girl sues the 315 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.200 city because she actually got sewed into the pants of the big Charlie Brown. 316 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.119 Yeah. Fuck, she's so funny, and I was just like, what 317 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.599 a good episode. I hate to Yeah, it's like she's like, I 318 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.960 want wine and popcorn when I finished. When I drink wine the night before 319 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.960 and I go to the bathroom next day, the toilets purple, purple and 320 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:47.480 black. Uh. She's also the one they use in the tables Freddy Krueger 321 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.960 sketch. But yeah, the one they I think she was only in one 322 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.319 in season three. She was also the how come when I make a joke 323 00:22:55.359 --> 00:23:00.759 about Santa, nobody laughs, but when he comes in, it's the funniest 324 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:08.920 fucking thing. Sorry to have time to wrap at Someone sent an email into 325 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.119 us that was very confusing, and I realized they were just every line was 326 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:22.759 quoting I think you should leave. They were recording the cigar window painting when 327 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.160 he's just doing oh the mister who smokes a cigar like that? I love 328 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:33.240 that guy. It's simply too good. Gotta monetize this, right. I 329 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.799 watched the entire three part Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary on Netflix, and if you ever 330 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.000 want to feel like you've never accomplished anything in your life, I would recommend 331 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.720 that, because holy shit, that guy was good at everything you did. 332 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:53.599 Okay, I'm asking this broad Strokes obviously big time bodybuilder, very extremely successful 333 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:59.200 action movie star and other movies. Governor of California, Yeah, Hotter, 334 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.359 is there any big thing I'm missing that he's done well? I mean that 335 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.880 that is how the documentary is framed. It is like part one, part 336 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.799 two, part three. So it's like the bodybuilder of the movie, start 337 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.079 of the politician. And when I say he was good and everything he did, 338 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.680 I certainly don't know if he was good at being governor, but I'm 339 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.799 saying he accomplished everything he set out forward. It's like I want to be 340 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.960 a politician. I want to be an actor. I want to be a 341 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.960 bodybuilder. He's amazing at that. Um it is. It is mainly stuff 342 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.759 that you know. I mean, there's some interesting I would prefer more about 343 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.599 the movie career because like they went into like when last Action Hero flopped like 344 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.200 he was just so used to winning everything he ever fucking did, and then 345 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.359 when people didn't really get Last Action Hero back when it came out, he 346 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.160 was like really bummed out about that and kind of wanted more of that. 347 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:41.799 And what are other movies he's been in? What's that? What are other 348 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:47.599 movies he's been in other than the Last Action Yeah, that's the only one 349 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.400 I know, says guy that knows La Sex. I would to meet that 350 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.599 guy that it's the same guy as the true Detective season two guy. You've 351 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.200 told me about Last Action year It wasn't it kind of meta? Yeah, 352 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.079 I haven't. I've never seen. It's at the height of his powers, 353 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.440 Like he's the biggest movie star in the world, coming right off of Terminator 354 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.359 two, and he makes this like self parody movie that is like a fun 355 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.400 action movie in its own right, but it's like poking fun at himself and 356 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.640 he's in on the joke and killing it. If you watch it now, 357 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.000 it is held up extremely well. Back then, everyone was expecting like, 358 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.559 oh, it's the next big you know, arnold you know action movie or 359 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.279 whatever, and it was like weird and meta in a way that like that 360 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.039 people were not used to in nineteen ninety six. It is fucking awesome. 361 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.359 It is. Was it like like Tropic Thunder type thing where it was like 362 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.920 it's a joke about action movies and Hollywood. It's less common. I mean, 363 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.720 it's definitely a comedy, but it's more like there's more like earnest action 364 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.559 movie in there than Tropic Thunder, which Tropic Thunder is just straight up a 365 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.079 comedy, you know about action movies. This is an action movie that's poking 366 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.960 fun at itself and its star. Yeah, Tropic Thunder is also specifically about 367 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.599 Vietnam era war movies too, Yeah, like Platoon. Yeah, well, 368 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.359 I think it's the biggest joke of the whole concept is Hollywood it right, 369 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.000 Like that's what it's constantly making fun of is actors who are trying to get 370 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:11.599 awards and how Hollywood utilizes war to like say something and make fucking money. 371 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:17.839 And it's the entire joke and method acting. It's that's that's the acting. 372 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.000 And they do it in multiple ways where they take an actor and say you're 373 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.640 doing this to win an award and you that's all your goal is. And 374 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:32.039 so we're making fun of actors that are trying to basically go places they shouldn't 375 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.880 in order to win an award. Yeah, this is less about like the 376 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:38.839 industry and more about like specifically like that big budget Arnold action movie and specifically 377 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.920 about Schwarzenegger and his career where it's like it's like this alternate universe. And 378 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.160 like when Schwartzeneger's character comes out of the movie, he goes to a Blockbuster 379 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.359 and sees a terminator to cardboards Dandy, but it's stallone, and he's like, 380 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.519 who's this guy? Like it's you know, it's like very action movie 381 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.279 heavy, sounds very like, but that's like a very literal joke, whereas 382 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.000 like when I think of a good action movie joke, I think of hot 383 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.759 shots or you know, something like that, where it's like we are making 384 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.680 fun of this genre of film. Yeah, it's like that if it was 385 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.920 more of an just normal action movie as well, you know, it's you 386 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.519 mean, not as good. I like last Action here more than hot shots. 387 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.480 Hot Shots is fun, but I love hot shots, But I think 388 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.480 I can't get over hot shots and hot shots part du Yeah, I looked 389 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.960 they were very very good. I was also the right age when those came 390 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.440 out to find them the funniest things possible. All Right, I'm gonna look 391 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.000 it up, because if you're saying it's on par with hot Shots, like 392 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.240 hot Shots is infamous. I just wouldn't expect it to be like a billion 393 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.440 jokes a minute like hot Shots. I would expect it to be just kind 394 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.480 of it's it'll be much smarter than I think you expect. It's not reviewed 395 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.200 very highly. People didn't get it. People weren't ready for it. Arnold, 396 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:49.839 Mike, what do you think the what do you think the Rotten Tomatoes 397 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.599 score is on Last Action here? Shit, I don't give a shit about 398 00:27:53.599 --> 00:28:00.680 what critics. I'm not having seen it Rotten Tomato critic or viewers critic U 399 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:07.200 forty three percent. He's good. I've never seen it. It sounds out 400 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.599 my alley. I like for all of my flaws, or rather all my 401 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.559 qualities. I also a sucker for like meta movie. I think you would 402 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.000 like it a lot. But still the number one thing that I know you 403 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.720 would love that you have not seen this Still pig Oh Jake tells me that 404 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:25.240 like Weekly as well, the most hondy movie I could ever imagine. I 405 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.759 need to watch that. Maybe I'll watch that this week before people come so 406 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.200 I could talk about it. He also I also Amanda, and I saw 407 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.519 Asteroid City at the advance or like New York screening. Were there any symmetrical 408 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:40.599 shots. No, no pastel colors, no symmetrical shots. Not every actor 409 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.920 imaginable in it. No Murray, No Bill Murray. Actually that was the 410 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.680 one omission. Was he actually not in there? So he's not He's like 411 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.839 the only person not He's not even like in the background at some point, 412 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.119 not that I saw Jeff Goldblum's in it, Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks is 413 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.559 new to Wes Anderson, Scarlett Johansson. It's the first time Jason Schwartzman is 414 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.559 a leads well since Darjeeling sort of, but the single lead since Rushmore, 415 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.720 which is one of my favorite Wes Anderson movies. But I like this movie 416 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.680 quite a bit. I will say, if you are, I think there's 417 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.960 two sides to the Wes Anderson portfolio of movies. There's one side where he's 418 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.440 actually telling a very good story and wrapping it in his esthetic. There's the 419 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:26.000 other side where he's very up his ass and like doing a movie about his 420 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.960 movies. The more than anything asterraat City feels more like the latter, and 421 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:37.359 like again, I was kind of into it, very good looking. This 422 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.160 was the most I've laughed during a Wes Anderson movie in a while. I 423 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.440 love Grand Budapest, but I wasn't and it was funny. But and that's 424 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.000 one of my favorites of his as well. I couldn't stand. I love 425 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.880 dogs. I really like the French dispatch. This is if I'm fusing this 426 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:59.759 movie, I would say like seven point five okay, yeah, not a 427 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.960 and don't walk Maybe a wait for streaming, Yeah, I wouldn't. I 428 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.200 wouldn't worry too much about seeing it. Although I saw it in an old 429 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.720 school like New York theater, so I wasn't. It wasn't like the best 430 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.720 visual setup to see that movie, I don't think. But it's funny. 431 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.680 I was laughing quite a bit until this Winton made me laugh. Jeff Goldbloom, 432 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.359 Yeah, I had the worst travel experience of my entire life coming back 433 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.519 from Summer games Fest. Is that boring? Or should I tell it? 434 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.039 No? Tell I like it? Because you are not alone. I feel 435 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.240 extremely fortunate. I had zero issues and got out of there. But I 436 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:42.359 saw what happened to Greg Miller, and he was on a plane for like 437 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.240 six hours. Oh, that would have been a delight. I would have 438 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.400 loved that I had over twenty four hours of a thing that should have taken 439 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.799 five hours. Wow, like Atlanta, didn't you? Yeah? Yeah, 440 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.920 that yes, that was when things were going well. So I was supposed 441 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.920 I was gonna do a red Eye. I like doing red Eyes. It 442 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.880 gives me the best chance. We're just having a couple of drinks and falling 443 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.480 asleep on a flight. So is it nine thirty pm. I'm supposed to 444 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.720 fly from LA to New York City. I get there to the airport. 445 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.519 As soon as I get there, I get a thing, says Oh, 446 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.480 it's been delayed to six am. From nine thirty pm to six am. 447 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:22.480 Oh, no hotel. And that's the thing. Everyone's trying to get to 448 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.400 a hotel and get it comped. And that's an option. Except I had 449 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.480 something I had to do in Connecticut, extremely important the next day that I 450 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.759 had a person for that was gonna fuself up if I wasn't. Yeah, 451 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.759 So I am talking to every agent I can. I'm like, I need 452 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.240 to get on a fucking I can't fly out at six am. I'm gonna 453 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:38.720 miss this thing tomorrow. And so they're like, okay, we got you 454 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.440 on first stand by for this ten thirty flight. You're gonna be the first 455 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.240 person on at least one person is not going to show up. Gonna be 456 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.039 fine, You're good to go. Great, get to the gate at ten 457 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.519 thirty, sitting there with my ticket. Sounds like they're the guys counting. 458 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.519 It's like, yeah, there's definitely gonna an open seat. Then some business 459 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.200 d bag guy comes up, This guy in a suit starts talking about, 460 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.880 hey, you waiting two you on standby and I was like yeah yeah, 461 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.279 and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah. I got bumped to the 462 00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.920 front because you know, I bought a three thousand dollars seat and they were 463 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.359 gonna downgrade me, and I said, I'm not gonna go downgrade. I 464 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.880 bought this three thousand dollars seat, so they gave me a front of the 465 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.200 line standby. So I don't know how the fuck this happened, but this 466 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.599 guy jumped me in line and there was one seat available, so d bag 467 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.359 and he like talked to you about it, like it was like a really 468 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.839 cool, Yeah, yeah, it was ragging to me about it. But 469 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.599 I was gonna say he he knew that it was your potential seat he took 470 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:31.400 and he was imagine like a full on like like like he's like a Kendall 471 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.799 Roy type. You could just sense it off. And he's bragging me about 472 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:37.880 how much he spent and he was literally, yeah, I'm gonna jump your 473 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.519 seat. I'm gonna get you. I'm getting there beforehand, like he thought. 474 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.400 He was being like jokey with me, and I'm sitting here like I'm 475 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.759 gonna kill this guy. Yeah, you never heard of a ritual killing. 476 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.319 Yeah, so there's one seat. He gets it, so I'm fucked. 477 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.200 I don't get to go on that one. And so I go back to 478 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.680 the line and I'm waiting and a lot of people are having trouble. So 479 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.559 it's a long line, and they're like, okay, okay, okay, 480 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.720 we got you confirmed. You're gonna be on this flight. It takes off. 481 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.960 I think it was like eleven twenty or eleven or something like that, 482 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.519 and the same flight or this is a new flight, the next flight, 483 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.680 and so like, we have you confirmed, here is a seat you this 484 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.599 is not a standby ticket. You're good to go. I was like, 485 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.200 thank God, thank you so much. I was like very effusive with my 486 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:15.960 praiser. I was like, thank you, somebody really helped me out here. 487 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.759 Thank you. And I go to get in line real quick, because 488 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.200 it was pretty quick after that, and they said, oh, this flight's 489 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.200 been canceled. Oh that flight weather? Why is it? They say why? 490 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.799 I don't remember. If I don't remember, why, Oh wait Tuesday, 491 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.039 Yeah we had we had some thunderstorms around here that that week or those 492 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.440 days. Yeah, I don't know if that was it or what, but 493 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.079 it got canceled. And now that entire flight is going in line because they're 494 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.440 trying to get a hotel comp for the night because they're trying to sleep and 495 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:45.799 take off. Is there on a morning flight? Now? Yeah, I 496 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.680 can't do that. So I wait in this fucking long line and they're like, 497 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.960 all right, we've got you confirmed. You're on this midnight flight. 498 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.799 You're good for midnight. Good to go. Thank you so much, Thank 499 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.680 you, Oh my god, that's amazing. Leave get a message on my 500 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.799 phone. Five minutes later, this has been delayed to two am. Okay, 501 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.359 as long as I have a confirmed long as I have a confirmed seat, 502 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.840 this is great. And at this point I've been drinking for a little 503 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.039 bit at the airport bars and stuff, just trying to pass the time and 504 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.360 stuff, and then they gets delayed to two am. The bar is closed, 505 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.960 so I'm sitting here just just that's the buzz is wearing off. I'm 506 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.599 getting pissed off. I'm waiting for two am. You're tired, Yeah, 507 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.239 I'm so fucking exhausted. All I want to do is get on this long 508 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.000 ass flight home gets so by the way, this flight is going to Atlanta, 509 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.000 and then I have to figure out what's next once I get to Atlanta. 510 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.559 So it's not great. You haven't even solved part two. No, 511 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.960 So at this point I'm doing a thing I never fucking do, which I 512 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.239 never I'm never the person on Twitter that's like, hey, at Delta, 513 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.920 this fucking sucks, But this fucking suck, and I like desperately need to 514 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.840 get home. And I tweeted a few times like, Hey, this sucks, 515 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.159 this is what's happened, how can we make this right? What can 516 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.320 we do or whatever? And I felt like an a hole for doing that, 517 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.280 so I deleted those and then so two o'clock rolls by. No one's 518 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.880 helping anything. I'm trying to call them. I'm trying to email them. 519 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.199 I'm trying to the wi fi the airport doesn't work, so I'm trying to 520 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.360 see if Delta will let into the fucking their flight lounge club so i can 521 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.519 just use their WiFi. And they say no, you have to have a 522 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.039 super credit card or something. That's great, awesome, I'll sign up for 523 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.719 the card right now if you let They were they were about to pick me 524 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.199 on it. I literally just walked out. I'm fucking whatever. Um So 525 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.480 two am gets there. Oh, the flight's been delayed to two forty five 526 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.000 am. Awesome. Two forty five shows up. I see people getting off 527 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.239 the plane. Oh my god, we got a plane here. We're good 528 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.199 to go. I line up zone ones. Boarding people are entering a plane. 529 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.679 This is awesome. I am like five people away from scanning my fucking 530 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.719 boarding pass and they say, um, attention to everyone. A gate A 531 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.280 thirty going to Atlanta. Our scanner has broke, and our boarding pass scanner 532 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.079 and federal regulations say that we have to have the scanner working, so this 533 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.960 will be a little bit and oh my god. At this point, I'm 534 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.239 just exhausted. I just like go up to a wall and collapse sitting against 535 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.360 the wall, and then like ninety construction workers come out with all these cones 536 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:53.480 and they start yelling at me for sitting against the wall, and I'm just 537 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.920 like, but my brain's not fucking working at this point. So yeah, 538 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.679 three something, I get on a fly, I flies to Atlanta, and 539 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.599 then I have to fucking work with support to get a connecting flight back to 540 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679 New York. And it was just, um, it was literally over twenty 541 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.000 four hours. I wound up doing all this shit and that sounds awful, 542 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:16.039 dan fucking terrible. Oh my god, I wanted to play Zelda. I 543 00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.360 had my fucking switch with me, but at this point I was just so 544 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.000 I was too exhausted to like, I couldn't sleep right, but I also 545 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.280 did my brain wasn't working enough to like fucking play Zelda, So I just 546 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.119 was into this fugue state for Oh my god, you're tired, You're you're 547 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:37.239 tired, and you're like bitter and you're frustrated, and it's awful. It's 548 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.400 just an awful experience. Yeah. I got automatically upgraded to business class on 549 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.559 my way home. I paid three thousand dollars. I came up in this 550 00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.840 suit, and I fucking talked to this Trump whose seat I took. I 551 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.800 say three, I fucking rubbed it and I took a selfie with him right 552 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.599 as I was leaving fucking Kettle Strong. Hey, hey, bro, you 553 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.840 you go fucking nuclear. I just saw a seat. Bro, you're gonna 554 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.199 take that, Bro, Bro, I just took the seat. Bro, 555 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.760 fucking getty up, get on the horse. You know what I mean? 556 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.440 Damn it. It's just I don't I don't get angry often, like I 557 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.239 really you guys can't test. I'm not very sounds like they broke you. 558 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.320 But I was serious. Yeah, I was angry, and then I was 559 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.599 just broken. I was just like, I'm never gonna get home. I'm 560 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800 never gonna get out. If I had seen you do the tweet thing, 561 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.960 I would have known you were not yourself. Yeah, oh and probably text 562 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.760 you. But I didn't see that on Twitter. Enough happened before. No, 563 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.519 It's like, yeah, we've talked about that on the on the show 564 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.119 before the tweet thing. But again, like I would have been like, 565 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.480 oh shit, Dan's out of sorts right now. There are some people that 566 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.480 do it like all the time, like Chris Jericho, the wrestler is notorious 567 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.760 for like that at Marriott, Well, why didn't you kick me out of 568 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.039 your hotel? I was being fine. It's like, okay, when you 569 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.440 do that three times a week, you're probably not being fine. And the 570 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.159 people in the games in the straight argument, there's people in the games industry 571 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.239 who will tweet like, hey, I was in I was in a window 572 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.840 seat and you put me in an aisle seat to allow for this for like 573 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.679 this person to get close to the door when they have I was like, 574 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.880 why are you doing this? Yeah, yeah, that's how you were doing 575 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.800 things like that. Yeah. Yeah, but like this, I was like 576 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.119 literally at wits end. I like no customer support was working. I was 577 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.400 trying everything, and like I had to fucking get home. And I'm not 578 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.519 saying the reason, but it was a very important thing. I had to 579 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:23.719 be home for that. Yeah. And Amanda goes down south for work to 580 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:30.880 Savannah fairly often. She was flying back up the Wednesday after all this happened, 581 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.920 I think, and there were thunderstorms going on New York and they finally 582 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.639 cleared her plane, which she was nervous about because fucking turbulence on those East 583 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.199 Coast flights sucks in my experience going between Seattle, La San Francisco. Yeah, 584 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.880 turbulence towards LA can get a bit wobbly, but East coast. Every 585 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.559 time I'm going up and down the East Coast, it's awful. And Amanda 586 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:58.079 witnessed a flight attendant go airborne during turbulence and went so high that also went 587 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.159 like backwards a bit, you know, when you're like when you're on a 588 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.360 moving thing and jump up. She's like, I saw the flight attendant like 589 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.679 actually go up and back, and then the captains and the co pilot the 590 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.519 pilot was like, hey, emergency check in with the flight attendant, and 591 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.920 it was fine. They were all laughing afterward. But She's like, I 592 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.159 saw this person go airborne, and then I heard the pilots get on the 593 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.559 PA to say, hey, emergency check in. How are you doing? 594 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.199 I would I would have At that point, I'm like, give me snatch 595 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:31.000 someone's ambient and just put myself out for a day. Stop me. If 596 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.119 I told have I told a couple of short stories about had next girlfriend who's 597 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.199 a flight attendant, about her weird stories working. If I said, yeah, 598 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.440 okay, Frank, remind me like some of them was about a guy 599 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.320 who had a scab on his leg. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 600 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:46.239 okay, and the other one who was about a little girl watching something 601 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:52.039 on a laptop. That's very from the scab one ring. I remember that. 602 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.960 I don't want to hear about scabs. But telling me about the girl 603 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.559 the scab one we've definitely talked about. She watched like Last Tango in Paris, 604 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.320 and she was, oh, she was so act was like pushing the 605 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.320 car watching the color blue or blue is the warmest color. I don't know, 606 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:14.599 somebody do something just watching she's just watching the sex scene with Halle Berry 607 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:20.280 and Billy Billy sob starting from Monsters Fall. Yeah, daddy, you're wrong 608 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.599 with all these guesses. Okay, sorry, Okay, go ahead. She's 609 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.960 just know the drink cart down the aisle and the little girl eight or nine 610 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.000 year old girl that's just like headphones on, just watching something, the sweet 611 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.039 little girl watching something on a laptop. And as she's passing by, she 612 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.679 turned and the girl is just watching footage of the towers falling on nine to 613 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:43.519 eleven. Oh my god, oh my god. That's infinitely worse than all 614 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.320 of the things I was guessing. Watching footage of like the plane's crashing and 615 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.760 the towers falling like nothing says, you can't do that, but that's weird. 616 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.360 She wasn't when was this, you know, probably would have been like 617 00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.159 twenty eleven, twenty twelve, So ostensibly this girl could have not even been 618 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.840 born or could have been born the year it happened. Yeah, and maybe 619 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.039 it's like, oh, I'm flying, let's see my birthday. I really 620 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.360 wanted to see fun. Let's up. But yeah, let's look up a 621 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.199 list like top or worst ten airplane crashes of all time, and yeah, 622 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:21.559 are top of the list. What were her parents doing? Don't I'm not 623 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.239 a parent. I don't want to pass judgment, but don't let her watch 624 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.519 that? Say, why do we click the X button on that? I 625 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.360 know the Bible says judge not less you be judged, but you should probably 626 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.960 not let your daughter watch nine to eleven videos on a plane when she's nine 627 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.000 or ten. Let me watch Paw Patrol or whatever the kids watch. Yeah, 628 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.199 that's harmless. Watch car crashes for All Destruction, Derby, Yeah, 629 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:46.239 the Twisted Metal TV show. Everyone's talking about anything else besides when she was 630 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:52.719 watching like literally the worst cream pie porn. That's fine, just not nine 631 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:59.519 to eleven videos that on a plane. Yeah, you'll definitely be asked to 632 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:04.840 dissembek the nearest they hand you a pairport. Yeah. Yeah, um, 633 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.400 do you want to talk about video games? Sure? 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What what games are you guys been playing? 658 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.000 Dan, You were saying you have not had son of time. You 659 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:58.639 couldn't even play Zelda at the airport. No, just the last few days 660 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.199 or when I've got my switch with me and I've been able to play Zeld 661 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.400 again. I put in a bunch of hours in the last couple of days 662 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.639 and I had to take a bit of a break, and I'm glad that 663 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.320 like the magic is back. I discovered just a bunch of new threads that 664 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.599 I want to follow where it's like, oh, this seems like this huge, 665 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.360 Like there's the side adventures, not just the side quest, and like 666 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:15.800 I opened up some side adventures where it's like, oh fuck, okay, 667 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.599 right, this game is like maybe one of the best games of all time, 668 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.280 and I'm fully back in. But obviously a lot of moving parts going 669 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.800 on right now with travel and other stuff. So that's pretty much it. 670 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.440 I want to play Diablo. I know you guys have been playing it. 671 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.320 My big plan is once I'm settled in a way that I want to play 672 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.079 some co op with Bonk. Have you guys done any local co op like 673 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.679 on the same TV? Yes? I have. How's that it's great playing 674 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.320 with a friend. I think as a buddy with Diablo is the way to 675 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.559 play it. I think not doing that as a disservice to what this game 676 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.800 allows you to do, which is play in an area with someone as two 677 00:44:53.960 --> 00:45:00.440 different character builds that complement each other so that you can go in guns blazing. 678 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.079 I'm Rogue, which is very classic. I tend to like that character 679 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.000 build so that I can I like to be very zip zappy, which is 680 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:14.039 my word for having lots of dashes and invisibility. I have a really fun 681 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:20.079 upgrade for my weapon which allows me to do traps and jump backwards simultaneously. 682 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.440 So extremely floaty. Love this character. It's extremely fun to be a rogue 683 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:32.960 builds in Diablo four and you can either choose blades or a you know, 684 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.079 just a regular bow arrow crossbow. And doing that with a tank is clutch. 685 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.400 Because I'm flighty and floaty, I can't take a lot of damage with 686 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:45.840 my build. That's why I'm allowed to go invisible, so and get the 687 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:52.440 fuck out. Mixing that with a tank who can absorb damage while I'm setting 688 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.880 traps and poisoning people and stabbing them in the back extraordinarily fun and such a 689 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.719 delight. I don't know if I would have as much fun. I know, 690 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.159 actually I do know that I would not have as much fun if I 691 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.360 was by myself. It is super fun to go in with another person who 692 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:14.199 has specifically chosen to build that compliments mine so that we can absolutely fucking wreck 693 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:19.679 in that game and it gives you the D two vibes again. Or you're 694 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.159 just like killing hoards and hoards of zombies and well, I don't know if 695 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.400 there's zombies, you know what I mean, they're undead, really fucked up 696 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:32.079 horror things happening in these side stories. Yeah, oh it's something trying too 697 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.760 hard, But it's still definitely feels like a reaction to the cartoonishness of D 698 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:43.519 three. That is it is so awesome is file The Blood of the Willing 699 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.320 is like a common theme that happens throughout that game, but you do get 700 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.800 a little numb to it, Like I remember, I think like in the 701 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.239 first acts, you you meet a girl, you meet a woman who's like, 702 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.920 I'm looking for my daughter, and me and me and my my co 703 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.639 player at the same time looked each other. They're like, she's dead and 704 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:06.079 she doesn't even know it. She's not just dead, she's also skinned alive. 705 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.000 As is often the case in this game, they get real. That's 706 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.320 just the way it be. Sometimes, like you know, I'm Jolo, 707 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:19.840 Sometimes sometimes you get skinned alive. I have become very aware that in that 708 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.960 game, if someone's like I'm looking for the most important person of my life, 709 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.320 I'm like a pitch, I got bad news for you. They're dead. 710 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.960 Not only are they dead, but they're going to become the boss and 711 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.960 I'm going to kill them in front of you, and then we're going to 712 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.360 eat their soul. That's it. That's just the way that game is. 713 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:42.320 Are you finding it challenging, Mary, because I'm playing solo and I'm pretty 714 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.360 varienced and I'm getting my ass kicked, not ass kicked. I'm I'm fine, 715 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:51.880 difficult on the one above normal, hard, whatever, yeah, whatever, 716 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:58.960 the one up is that different? Yes, I believe right, Yeah, 717 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.519 I think they're separate. I'm unhearted. I think Uh, I wouldn't 718 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.159 say I'm breezing through it. I'm finding some challenge. I actually had a 719 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:08.800 boss fight we had to redo six times, which I think, Yeah, 720 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.760 that's what I guess. That's what I mean because I'm playing solo as a 721 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.639 Druid, and Druid has taken some time to really build up. Yeah, 722 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.719 and there's been certain bosses i've because it's an open world more MMOs album, 723 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.840 Like, I'm can't beat this boss right now based on the skills I have 724 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.480 because maybe it's just like the recharge time, and also I still only have 725 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.719 the four potions when that you get when you're level ten, etc. I'm 726 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.400 it's challenging me for sure. So my partner, who is a druid as 727 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.280 well, basically does a shit ton of damage in the first three seconds, 728 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.440 and then all their skills need to re up, and so basically for ten 729 00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.400 seconds you can't do shit. That might be a druid build thing. I 730 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.280 think it's based on the guides that Polygon has done. They take a bit 731 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.360 to get going, which is why I guess they're tougher build, but later 732 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:04.000 on they get more I think that's an interesting argument though, for why having 733 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:09.880 a secondary is so valuable, because my skills all take time and are more 734 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.440 lengthy. So for example, all of my traps they slow and poison over 735 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.960 time, which gives us damage while the ten seconds are going, so that 736 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.920 you know the other person can build. So having two people or more, 737 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.480 it's just a really nice dynamic to have that because you can have different types 738 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:34.480 of skills over time. I find that unfortunate, but yeah, I would 739 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.039 say that is like a very natural build for you. I've been breezing through 740 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.599 it except for that one boss, and I unfortunately can't remember the name of 741 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.000 the boss, but it was like I would say, we're probably like I 742 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.639 don't know, nine hours in and it's really fun. It's just like there's 743 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:55.400 certain types of bosses where if they freeze you and I can't move, and 744 00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.079 I'm a flighty person, I'm fucked. As soon as I'm fro I'm probably 745 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.039 going to get demolished because I'm too floaty and I just don't have the health 746 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.480 to be able to survive. So if I get trapped, I'm in deep 747 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.159 shit. But other than that, I'm pretty good. Mary, you were 748 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.000 talking about the importance of like having classes that compliment each other. I'm curious 749 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.559 because, like I we did a stream on Giant Bomb where you know, 750 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.480 I put a couple hours into like a wizard like lightning Magician Guy. I 751 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.840 forget the official name of the class. Is it Sorcerer. Yeah, so 752 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.239 I think I'm a sorcerer with like lightning powers mainly. And Bonk has already 753 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.920 said, like she called necromancer. She's super wants to be a necromancer. 754 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.079 So fun would they do go together? Or are they too? Are they 755 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.000 weak? What's yours again, Magician Guy? I mean, you guys are 756 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.079 both magic based, um, but I would say there's a lot of options 757 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.599 and range, especially in necromancy, So I think you'll be fine because necromancy 758 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.679 can raise hordes of the dead. What I would suggest for your build is 759 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:04.199 to have because she's going to probably do high DPS, and she'll have AoE 760 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.960 because she's having hoards of people, which means you should have a singular attack, 761 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:13.119 so lightning attacks and stuff like that. Yeah, bold to kind of 762 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.679 like dash between people. Yeah, okay, I just think of that. 763 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.679 And most most of these builds, it's not which characters you pick, it's 764 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.679 the skills specifically to ensure that they're complementing. If someone's doing AoE, you 765 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.840 should do like a very specific type of damage. If someone is flighty, 766 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.519 be someone who can soak damage, right, and I think you can both 767 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:35.400 do that. I think she can soak damage because if she has hoards of 768 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.440 people that she can raise, they can take the damage on your guys's behalf. 769 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:44.559 So she can be a tank maybe in that capacity. And I historically 770 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.360 his sorcerers are not known for being tanks. So I would say, of 771 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:53.519 anything, you guys might both be might be high risk for getting killed, 772 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.800 so you're going to probably want some distance attacks. But I think you'll be 773 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.679 fine. Cool, Okay, looking forward to it. I'm excited. I 774 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:07.440 think it's a great game. It's super dark, it is oh you know, 775 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:13.559 socketing comes in right away. I think the way in which you build 776 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.639 your character is a little annoying. So you know, have you guys seen 777 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.039 it where it's essentially blood and each skill you do gives you enough blood that 778 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.880 you can get your next skill. But when you want to when you want 779 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:35.000 to respect, you can't undo your first skill because it it is the enough 780 00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:38.119 skill points that you needed to afford all the skills in line. And so 781 00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:43.199 you basically have to like respect your whole character when you want to do your 782 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.119 original skill, which I find annoying, but it's made me respect more often 783 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.599 currently, Like respecting costs like what like it's like fifty bucks, it costs 784 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.039 you some money, who cares? And it makes me choose different paths to 785 00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.480 try different builds of my character. Do I want to use my knives and 786 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.880 be stabby? Do I want to go poison Bill? Do I want to 787 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.920 go freeze build? Do I want to you know? Like? Which all 788 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.400 do I want? So you're constantly like rearranging your moves, and I think 789 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.599 that the re encouraging me to respect is annoying. But it allows me to 790 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.280 try different builds of my character, which I do like I am respecting more 791 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.880 often this game. Have we talked about this far? I really don't like 792 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:30.280 respecting ever I people I hear, yes, I hear people that are like, 793 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.880 oh, I respect I want to try everything in this character. I'm 794 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.519 like, there's something anxiety inducing about that, where it's like I feel like 795 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.920 I've put all this time and effort in learning into getting this skill set down 796 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:47.639 pat and also to reset and then learn six new skills all at once just 797 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.199 overwhelms me a bit, like in role playing games. And I mean, 798 00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.280 I know this is an action RPG, but in role playing games as well. 799 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.760 I'm like, nope, I'm I've committed to this character. I don't 800 00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.400 care. I'll make this pathwork somehow. There's something about respecting that I just 801 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.159 never do it. If you could respect in real life, would you now? 802 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.159 I'm happy with what I am Mary, There's like a there's like a 803 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.079 mindset for that. It's like a cognitive dissonance where you're essentially like, nothing 804 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:21.239 is wrong with my life. Everything is exactly the way that I planned it 805 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.800 and mapped it, and no, I wouldn't change anything, but it's like, 806 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.960 really, if you could, you'd probably be like, ah, I'll 807 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.960 change a couple things, all right. I don't want anything to change. 808 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:35.679 I would put more points into like just general health and fitness stuff when I 809 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.239 was like eighteen and could like, you know, get a head start on 810 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.360 it and be like, hey, it's gonna suck later if you don't get 811 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.519 ahead start on this stuff. But then I don't know, like I don't 812 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.760 want to take points away, like from anything. And that's the thing you 813 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.400 don't get you there's finite points. You can't be amazing at everything. I 814 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.440 feel like early on, yeah, we went, we went heavy into being 815 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.880 entertainers and you know, being able to have a good time at potties. 816 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:05.079 And now it's like what else do I got? You know, because I 817 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.360 don't think I could respect and be a scientist at this point. No, 818 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.880 I don't think I could be like in the NBA or anything. Now, 819 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.760 well, if you're respecting, you could be if I respect now well no, 820 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.199 no, I'm still forty No, not in the NBA. Yeah, 821 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:27.639 he took forty years worth. Yeah, I guess would it reset? I 822 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.480 ain't gonna get in respect. I'm not suddenly like ripped and taller, right, 823 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.960 I Do's not how respecting works, yeah, because you'd be putting all 824 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.960 of your like entertainment skills into physic like physique and like strength and like jumping. 825 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.119 Yeah yeah, okay, so I guess you could. But that's but 826 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.280 I don't want to be in the NBA. I want to play video games 827 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.239 and get paid for it. So you probably don't. No one's making you 828 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.039 respect, So maybe I don't respect. I just wish I liked did smart 829 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.840 push ups when I was eighteen. Yeah, you could take of maybe you 830 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.960 could take a few points out of I don't know what you would want to 831 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:02.679 take points out of and put them into. Yeah, so you're fine, 832 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.239 but I wish I was healthier. But our points in like what you are 833 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.639 born with, whereas do is just go back as if you're like one of 834 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.159 the three ghosts that are visiting at night and being like, do some crunches. 835 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.159 That's all you needed to do. We could be babies. If we 836 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.320 could be babies again, I'm absolutely respecting. If you two can be babies 837 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.159 again, of making your respect. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't 838 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.320 know that it was at a baby. Like if we go through all that 839 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.039 again, I kind of hated everything until I was like twenty okay, oh 840 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.159 okay, okay, here's here's the would you rather? Okay, not really 841 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.960 would you rather? It's more of a would you do X? If you 842 00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:45.400 could erase all your points and also got let's say, like thirty extra points 843 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.599 right now. To respect, however, you have to consciously be a baby 844 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.719 an infant, Like you have to be cognizant of what's going on. You're 845 00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:59.239 gonna remember it. Oh so we have our current brains in a baby in 846 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.880 nineteen eighty four. Maybe not current brains, but like we've all forgotten what 847 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.159 it's like to be a baby. You're not forgetting this ship Like you're you're 848 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.000 oh, so, I know I'm shitting my pants. You know you're shitting 849 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:12.320 your pants. You know everything that's going on. You know how extremely uncomfortable 850 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.800 it is to be a newborn. But I'm like, I'm in a fucking 851 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:17.360 womb that sucks. No, no, no, no, no. Once 852 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.639 you're once you're out, you're cognizant. I mean, I guess babies technically 853 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:23.800 are cognizant, but like it's so rudimentary, you're not gonna remember it. 854 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.679 You're gonna remember this when you deal with the twenty year old Paul Reyger trying 855 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.000 to figure out how to raise me. Yes, but I want to be 856 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.199 conscious of that at all. You have thirty extra points to put into whatever 857 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.320 area you want. You could like put it into I don't know, financial 858 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:45.639 or like so athletic. I can have all the all the health benefits of 859 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.440 Like I could put those points into the health stuff I want, uh, 860 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:51.519 and also just live the exact same life, like keep everything else the same 861 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:55.639 and like you have memories of being breastfed by your mom, but you'll be 862 00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:00.119 but you'll be We would be doing this podcast, but you'd be fucking stacked. 863 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.239 I don't know if I got breastfit, I probably had mountain dew. 864 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:10.000 I did enough the mountain dew in your bottle, although sometimes I wonder most 865 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:16.480 moms had memory glands. Your mom had PEPSI glands. Young brand's breasts. 866 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:28.000 Our mommy's got diet doctor pepper today. That's fuck. I don't think I 867 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.199 want to do that. There's too many fucked up things I don't want to, 868 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:35.559 like knowingly shit my pants. Oh did I say you guys junior high? 869 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.800 Awkward, and like I don't want any of that ship. Oh yeah, 870 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.679 I would. I don't want to relive most of childhood. I didn't 871 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.440 have a bad childhood per se, but like fucking middle school, fuck that 872 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:52.519 I hated. I hated middle school. I hated high school. If I'd 873 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.039 be fine with doing this deal twenty one, I just all of a sudden 874 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.639 appear on Dave clapp shoulders again on my twenty first birthday. What fuck? 875 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.039 Oh my god, I put all my points into my penis size. It's 876 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:14.039 your fucking hospital bedroomen And you're like, but my dick is so big, 877 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:16.920 and every time you get a heart on, you pass out because it takes 878 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:22.559 all the blood away from all of your beings. They have to like do 879 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.199 blood transfusions with you. Every moment you know it's got a hard on because 880 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.679 his face goes white. I took all all the blood. I took all 881 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.760 my points out of sphincter control and put him into Boner's size. So I'm 882 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:40.800 just sitting stupid as fucks. Who's that guy with a tripod and the brown 883 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:49.079 spot in his butt? You can't. You don't know your own name. 884 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.519 Die, I die at your later. Okay, you're just explaining it takes 885 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.840 two caskets to bury me. He died doing what he loved, getting a 886 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:04.360 herd on him shitting his pants. I need like a Nicolas cage pyramid mausoleum 887 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.320 to house my penis. You're laying in the bottom and then just the pants 888 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:15.320 tent going up. It's a it's a hollow mausoleum is actually in it. 889 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.239 Imagine if Rigor Mortis said in when I had a boner and it's just there 890 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:27.119 forever and your caskets, they could you bury him the dirt face down, 891 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.199 so it just goes another six feet down to the dirt. And then at 892 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:36.519 the morgue they can't open the drawer because I'm just like, it's like a 893 01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.000 steak. He used to keep a tent in the grounds. Yeah, he's 894 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:43.440 not going anywhere. God, what else have I been playing? Um? 895 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:51.079 I've I've also been playing a game called Killer Frequency, and I'd love to 896 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:57.440 describe the plot to you. Please do Okay that sounded extremely sarcastic and machi. 897 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.880 I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. I'm still thinking about my here. 898 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.760 It can take time to process that. Sorry, Yes, explain the 899 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:15.679 plot. You're a radio DJ and you are at a new town it's a 900 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:19.920 small town and you don't think it's that cool, but you need the job. 901 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.360 And so you're DJing for the night and you get a call from nine 902 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:30.280 one one and they're like, listen, we are so busy and we are 903 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:37.679 overrun and we have to leave because we're having issues. We can't take nine 904 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.719 one one calls tonight. We're going to redirect all nine one one calls to 905 01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:45.679 your radio show so that you can help people in their time of need. 906 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.599 Unfortunately, you can't send the police out, but maybe you can help some 907 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.599 people. Sorry about it, buy and they hang up and you're live on 908 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.760 air and you got a little radio lady who's with you and she's like that 909 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.440 was crazy, and you're like, I know, right. And then people 910 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:06.519 start calling in and they're like, there is a fucking killer outside of my 911 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:08.960 house and he's trying to get in. What do I do? And then 912 01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:15.440 you make decisions and tell them what to do, and based on what you 913 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:20.480 tell them, they either live or they die. Live setup. It's got 914 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:27.480 a jazz punk looking vibe. It's like cell shaded seventies, isn't it. 915 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.440 Yeah? I like look to it and then um, let me give you 916 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:31.840 more. So I'm telling you all the good stuff now and then I'll tell 917 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.679 you my problems when I played it. But like other other cool stuff, 918 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.039 just like a DJ, you have all these buttons, like you know that 919 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:45.440 are like dingle in the baby and like you know it's killer or not in 920 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:52.239 the killer frequency, that's right. And so like someone will be calling and 921 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:58.000 they'll be like, I'm hiding in the closet and you're just like where wait 922 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:01.199 wait, wait wait wait, and you're like using your sound effects to funk 923 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.480 with them. You actually pick up what are they called, Oh my god, 924 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:14.880 it's too music album discs. You pick up records and you put them 925 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.880 on. I solved it, and you put them on and you play them 926 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.840 yourself, and you can play them while people are calling you and why they 927 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:24.920 need you, and like when they're like crying and upset and stuff and you're 928 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:29.239 like playing music and like you know, doing it. It's it's a crazy 929 01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.199 setup that you're able to do all these things and then they actually give you 930 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:37.639 puzzles. There's live maps of the town to your right, and there's like 931 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:42.360 some some people call and they're like there's a fire and it's right here. 932 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:47.480 We need the closest person that can come help us put it out. Jacob 933 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:53.719 is between sixth Street and twelfth Street. Lonnie is right by the Quickie Mart 934 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.280 and Jackie is you know, and they're like, who should who should come? 935 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.320 And so you'll look at the map and you'll determine the closest person to 936 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.840 the fire. If you pick the wrong person, the building burns down and 937 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.440 everyone dies. If you pick the right person, then everyone gets saved. 938 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:11.599 It's like puzzle e like that. It seems irresponsible adventure game, Like, 939 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.800 wait, what genre would you does it fit into a neat genre? I 940 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.840 don't know what the funk I would call this? Uh, it's rr puzzle 941 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:23.159 adventure. It's not really scary because I don't think you're ever in danger and 942 01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.840 you have to like there's almost like a level of separation because I can make 943 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:29.599 there's a laugh. You know, there's a laugh track button, so like 944 01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:31.840 every time someone's like I'm gonna die, I'd like hit the laugh track button 945 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:38.400 and then I laugh. I never was scared playing this. There is murder 946 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.280 in it, so I guess it's scary, but not to me. M 947 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.480 And then there's there's the puzzle element because you're solving in your head what you 948 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.840 should do in any person's situation when they're in danger. Um, I guess 949 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:57.920 it's Indie puzzle and it's first person. Yeah, the puzzle light elements that 950 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:03.440 have narrative dire conse quenses out of these mundane puzzle tasks kind of reminds you 951 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:08.639 of like papers please or something like that. Okay, it has I think 952 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.840 one of the coolest concepts, like one of the strongest concepts of the game 953 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:18.679 I've ever heard. Now here's the caveat now that I've hyped it up, 954 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:23.719 because I actually think I sold it pretty well in that first half in execution, 955 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:30.800 I think they really messed up the dynamic between me and my co person, 956 01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:34.639 you know, like your DJ normally has I don't know the lady on 957 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:40.440 the other hand, that's like, yeah, okay, they keep fucking talking 958 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:45.559 about their lives and their dynamic is so uninteresting and I couldn't give a flying 959 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:50.400 shit and you can't fast forward it. And so sometimes in between waiting for 960 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:55.760 someone who's getting murdered, I'm just listening to this lady talk about her life, 961 01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:00.000 and I'm like, I couldn't care less, like deciding the next song 962 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.159 or anything. Welcome to my life. You can do it a lot, 963 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:14.719 fucking co host talk about their life. I'm kidding, sorry, just waiting 964 01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.719 for someone I couldn't Yeah, I couldn't help. Like I have two of 965 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:21.599 them. If you ever call me needing me, I'm gonna let you die. 966 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.920 But this is my heel turn from here on out in fire Escape. 967 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.599 I'm just fucking sick of you two. You're gonna die in the wine for 968 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.360 it. Oh god, I have a whole Mary. This is your room. 969 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:35.320 It's just made of knives. It's so weird. Did everybody get a 970 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:40.159 themed room like this or yeah? Ours just butterflies, Ours is jungle, 971 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:45.519 mine is just sharp, Mine is just point pointing metal seems to be the 972 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:51.119 theme. There's a bunch of mouse traps under here. Trap Did anybody else 973 01:06:51.159 --> 01:07:02.119 get a baseball bat pendulum themed room? Sorry I'm in danger? Okay, 974 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:08.519 so killer frequency. So the dynamic is not good. That you can do 975 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:10.320 stuff. They give you a lot of stuff to do. You can you 976 01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:14.360 can change out records the whole time. You can. Sometimes she asks you 977 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:15.719 to play ads. You got to find the right ad, which is nice. 978 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.360 So there's like little mini puzzles like that. And then they even have 979 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:24.559 wads of paper and you can throw them into a trash basket like bat there's 980 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.599 like a basketball mini game that you can use the pastime. None of that 981 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:33.440 helps when someone is talking to you for five booblest minutes about their life story 982 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:39.840 that I couldn't give a shit about, and I wish they rethought that element 983 01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:44.360 of it. I also think, like some of the puzzles that they give 984 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:49.239 you, it doesn't make sense logically what they're asking you to do. If 985 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:54.119 there's one where there's like a house party and everyone's like, we need you 986 01:07:54.280 --> 01:08:00.280 to tell us who should do what task in order to survive the killer and 987 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:04.199 I have a list of what all the people at the party are good at, 988 01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:11.320 and so they'll be like someone needs to be the one that Jack's the 989 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:16.119 car? Should it be Jimmy, Donnie or Susie? And I'm reading like 990 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:18.960 what everybody's good at? And it's just like this is such a weird puzzle. 991 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:21.520 You guys are being murdered, like run into the woods, you know 992 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:25.399 what I mean, Like, it doesn't make sense that I'm like, Lannie's 993 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:29.079 actually the best at stealing cars, because it says here he's been arrested three 994 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:34.520 times is a mechanic, so you should probably he should know to go hot 995 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.439 wire the car. That's right. But they're asking me and I'm like reading, 996 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.319 I'm like reading their diary essentially to solve the puzzle. So it doesn't 997 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.279 make any sense, but it is. It's a very strong premise. I 998 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.720 think that I don't know if I can recommend the game fully because it's so 999 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:54.960 silly, But what I will say is is it's a really cool concept. 1000 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.800 And I hope that the devs are able to use the learnings from this game 1001 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.520 apply it to their next one, because it's such an interesting, unique take 1002 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:06.199 on that type of game. And I love the premise. I love that 1003 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:11.840 I'm a DJ like trying to convince people to live or die, and and 1004 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.840 I had both where I saved someone and I felt really good about myself and 1005 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:18.640 I made a mistake with somebody else and watched like heard them get like stabbed 1006 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:21.119 to death, and I was like, I can't win them off, just 1007 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:27.159 like hung up, like played you know wa, and then just moved on 1008 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:29.880 with my life. Is this It's a crazy game. It seems like a 1009 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.600 really solid elevator pitch that didn't really like stick the landing. It's unfortunate that 1010 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:40.159 in the execution phase of it, some stuff just probably doesn't work as well 1011 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:44.600 in a game as it sounded on paper. But I still think it's a 1012 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:46.800 neat concept, and I hope that they're able to apply those learnings into future 1013 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:51.239 games. Yeah, it's it's neat. It's an interesting way to spend several 1014 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:58.399 hours. Nice you've been playing anything else besides Diablo Killer, frequency just traditional 1015 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:02.119 Zelda. I spent um one hour trying to get a car rock over a 1016 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:06.359 mountain solid video. That's very funny. What do you what do you think? 1017 01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:12.479 Do you think of those specific core rock puzzles they'll like transport this dude 1018 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:16.239 over there. Sometimes I think they're fun. Things can come out of it, 1019 01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.359 like Mary's video of trying to like launch this corroc over a mountain. 1020 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.119 And then there are times where it's like, all right, I don't know, 1021 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:27.039 I could put together a stupid wagon, or I could just use ultrahand 1022 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:30.159 and just walk towards the smoke signal. You know. Sometimes it's just like 1023 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.119 I appreciate that, like it gives you an opportunity to be like, hey, 1024 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:35.920 make some stupid ship and see what happens, and that can be fun, 1025 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.560 but sometimes it's just like I just I just want to get my cork 1026 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.039 seeds and move on. I think the best ones are like, yeah, 1027 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.560 get him up this sheer cliff face to his friend, like all right, 1028 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.079 this is a puzzle. Other times like Okay, I see the green smoke. 1029 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.880 I know you want me. There's fucking the monster truck parts ATV wheels 1030 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.760 next to me. We'll go up this river, sure, And then by 1031 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.319 the time I get there, inevitably the game is good enough where you see 1032 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.079 like three things on the way that you want to do afterward. But god, 1033 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.520 yeah, I got sick of those pretty pretty quickly. I feel like 1034 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.600 if not built for that type of like cargo moving the way something like desk 1035 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.760 stranding was, or it's like that was the game, and like all of 1036 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.079 the mechanics like really lint itself towards that being fun, the A to B 1037 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:19.079 carrying a thing, whereas this is like I don't know, like Zelda really 1038 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:23.640 shines when you are building something goofy to accomplish the goal of like I'm going 1039 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.439 to get myself here from here to there, or I'm going to get myself 1040 01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.920 over all this gloom by making this weird hover bike or something. I think 1041 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.439 carrying something is not the strong suit in Tears the Kingdom, you know, 1042 01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:40.399 yeah for sure. Yeah, I think I think my favorite thing to do 1043 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:44.640 in Tears the kid. I don't know. I like, I like the 1044 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.359 building is fun when I'm just like trying to be funny or like trying to 1045 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.239 find comedy in it. But those coroc ones definitely felt like a ham fisted 1046 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:56.439 way to encourage it. I think like you could say the same thing about 1047 01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:02.000 the guy that's asking you to keep the sighing afloat. But I think the 1048 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.680 thing is is that none of those things are required. They're not necessary. 1049 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:10.039 You can skip them if you don't want to do them. They're just things 1050 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:14.279 in the world that are supposed to test your ingenuity. And see each of 1051 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.359 these situations, the environment, the terrain, it's slightly different. I've had 1052 01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.479 carrocs that are really close to a broken bridge and it's like, cool, 1053 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:23.560 you want me to like put this bridge together. I got it. And 1054 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:27.840 there's other ones where, like Dan was saying, there's like a huge mountain 1055 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.880 and then the corus like my friend is and I'm like, yeah, up 1056 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:33.479 there, yeah, of course, he is, and it's a strap him 1057 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:36.319 to a rocket and figure it out. I think what's interesting about it is 1058 01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:41.680 like it's very easy in that situation for me to have just said fuck you, 1059 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.840 fuck your friend, fuck your food, I'm leaving and just totally ignore 1060 01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.239 him. But I can't help the idea that maybe I could solve it, 1061 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:55.079 and now you're two core seeds and pour into getting that bastard up there. 1062 01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.680 That's kind of the joy of it, is like the time the time fallacy 1063 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.199 of it all, which is, you know, do you want to spend 1064 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:08.079 an hour trying to come up with a stupid idea to solve this stupid puzzle 1065 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:11.920 from these two corks that you don't give a shit about. But I will. 1066 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.840 What keeps happening to me is like I will be in the middle of 1067 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:16.680 doing something like more directed. You know. There are times where I'm just 1068 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:19.319 exploring and looking for stuff to do. But there's stuff where it's like I'm 1069 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.840 trying to get to that place where a shooting star fell, or I'm trying 1070 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.720 to get to this you know, specific story thing or something, and then 1071 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.359 I will see the korak and I'll see what I have to do, and 1072 01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.560 I'll be like, I don't want to do this now, but I don't 1073 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.039 want to just ignore it, so I'll just like place a stamp on the 1074 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:34.800 map with the little seed icon or the leaf icon and then move on. 1075 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:38.760 Like so, I maybe at some point, if I'm just desperate for stuff 1076 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.920 to do, I'll go try to clean those up, but I'm just kind 1077 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.279 of marking them for now. Yeah. I think that's a good that's a 1078 01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:46.960 really good system. The leaf icon is like exactly probably what you should be 1079 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:51.680 doing with that. I have such a bad system in my map for coming 1080 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:57.159 back to things. I saw someone online I forget who it is. Sorry. 1081 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:01.359 Someone said that they wished that you could have that map icon system for 1082 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.560 Diablo four, And that's really smart because right now in Diablo sometimes you'll come 1083 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.520 across something and be like, oh, like I'll do that later, and 1084 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.760 you'll forget or whatever, and it's just like, I wish you could easily 1085 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.800 just mark that's going to be cool, but I don't want to do it 1086 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.880 right now. In other games, it's neat to be able to say I'll 1087 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.840 deal with you later. Yeah, it's probably my favorite map system in any 1088 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.359 game. Like Breadth of Wild, it was easier in Breadth of Wild because 1089 01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:30.119 I think there was just less variety, I guess, Whereas like I find 1090 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:31.159 myself in this where it's like, oh wait, I already used the star 1091 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.359 for this, so what do I use it? It's like I'll use the 1092 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:35.600 crystal, but I kind of forget, Like I feel like I had it 1093 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:40.159 together better in Breadth of Wild. Elvin Ring had something similar, Right, 1094 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.720 couldn't you do like a skull and okay that's a boss fight? And I 1095 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.760 feel like elden Ring had a decent kind of map system that was similar. 1096 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.319 Right, anytime you have like a choose your own adventure sandbox open world, 1097 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:55.640 you need the ability for me to pop a little sticker on the map to 1098 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.800 remember to do something later. Yeah, Like there's a fine line between like 1099 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.199 I don't like that Ubisoft style of just like here's a map with a bunch 1100 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:05.319 of just barf on it, with a billion icons. I much prefer the 1101 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:09.720 elden Ring Breath of Wild thing of like make your own map in your own 1102 01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:14.319 system, but you got to make sure you give the player enough options as 1103 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:19.199 far as like placing those things. I still get overwhelmed in Tears the Kingdom, 1104 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:25.319 where I feel like there's so many things that I get decision itis and 1105 01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:31.319 I don't know what to do. That plagues me to this day. It's 1106 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:38.640 just so directionless. It's giving me so much power that I panic and I'm 1107 01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.079 like, I don't know, I'll just you know, I'll get a new 1108 01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:45.439 horse today and that's it. And I love a little bit more. I 1109 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.880 think I just do the loose thing where it's like I want to make sure 1110 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.239 I explore a bunch and I don't want to do it. I don't want 1111 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:54.239 to do all the dungeons and then just explore. I'm trying to pace it 1112 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:57.000 out. So it's like i'll beat a dungeon, I'll get that ability, 1113 01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:59.479 and I'll be like, all right now, I'm going to spend many many 1114 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:01.800 hours doing side quests, like checking things off that list. Like it does 1115 01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:04.319 a pretty good job of like you know, side quest, side adventures, 1116 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.279 all that stuff. So it's like I'm gonna do like five or six of 1117 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:12.239 these and then I'll go back to like pushing towards a dungeon. So yeah, 1118 01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.760 with that much agency and that much control, I am able to punish 1119 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:21.840 myself. And I don't know if the game has really thought about how much 1120 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:27.520 I hate myself and how I will do something that is so boring and pointless 1121 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:33.239 for four hours because it allowed me to Maybe it did. Maybe maybe I'm 1122 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:39.600 learning a lot about myself through this game. Just like Fox, You're just 1123 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:44.800 like gonna leave me here with all these Corerox in ridiculous situations with like such 1124 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.399 little reward, and you know I'll do it. Yeah, there's no way 1125 01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.279 I'm getting every core ox seed, So like I'm placing those stamps being like, 1126 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.920 we'll see if I ever get back with this, but realistically probably not. 1127 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.479 Probably not. Zira blank and Chip says they're a sadists and there are 1128 01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.760 massa chists and you know which one you are. Do you guys want to 1129 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:09.159 do emails? Sure? Free, all right? As usually you can write 1130 01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:13.159 into Firescape past at gmail dot com with questions, comments, corrections, concerns 1131 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.600 we actually do I did include It's not a correction, it's just the further 1132 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:21.159 clarification of Dan and hailing in a vacuum or lack thereof, So we can 1133 01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:25.159 get into that. Mary first, though, I want toss to you. 1134 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:30.319 You have something to address from last episode. Yeah, I remember us discussing 1135 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:38.760 at length about sports and esports and Dan specifically, you said that e sports 1136 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:45.199 aren't sports. Oh, and that playing a video game competitively isn't sport because 1137 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:51.119 it's not physical. Correct that still your sports are not real sports, Yes, 1138 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:56.399 and I don't. I would probably rather watch esports because I like video 1139 01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:59.840 games and I don't care about real sports. But they're not athletes. I 1140 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.439 would rather watch it, though, I'll say that, God, this is 1141 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:09.159 I forgot we had this conversation last time. But yeah, I know you've 1142 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.399 never been prepared for this argument. And can I can I clarify what I 1143 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.960 said? I think I I think I made my point clear. I think 1144 01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:19.359 esports or sports For the record, I think it demands a lot based on 1145 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:24.479 what I know. Yes, of course their schedules are rigorous practicing. Otherwise, 1146 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.960 what I was saying is that I can more immediately relate to how impressive 1147 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:30.159 physical sports are. Sure I had to learn more about esports. Sure I 1148 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.760 might change my mind the future, but at this point in time, I 1149 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:38.960 stand by. I just can't imagine something happening in esports that rivals like Michael 1150 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:43.319 Jordan's flu game during the finals. My mind could change in the future, 1151 01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.199 so I'm open to it, all Right, What Michael said, I am 1152 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:51.000 not saying like, Look, I agree rigorous training, skill, strategy, 1153 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:55.479 tactics, all that stuff, like it demands a lot. Like I've been 1154 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.640 playing in my whole life, i am nowhere fucking near the level and any 1155 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:03.479 video game of a esports of a competitive gaming player, I'm not gonna say 1156 01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:08.600 sports. I mean, we can all agree that you guys can't do any 1157 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:12.399 of the things that athletes can do. We all agree a gamer that's not 1158 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:14.600 true. I was, I was a college athlete. No, you have 1159 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.359 no abilities. And I think what I'm trying to express here is I'd love 1160 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:20.319 to get a little bit more into the nitty gritty. So I've made a 1161 01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:27.800 list of oh of different types of sports and things that might be considered sports, 1162 01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:30.279 and I'd like your take on why they are a sport or not? 1163 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:34.319 Okay, and then I'm going to ask you some questions that help me specify 1164 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:40.359 what is sporty about it. I blame my father for all this, By 1165 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:42.399 the way, is this for Are these questions for Dan or me? Because 1166 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.600 I already said they're sports? I think sports are sports. They're just Dan 1167 01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:50.359 because you're more I think you're more acceptable in society. So This is like 1168 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:56.199 a Danish show how much I've improved as a person over my father. Keep 1169 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.079 in mind he doesn't think soccer is a sport, So I am much more 1170 01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:04.000 open minded here. So yeah, so open minded. Number one am football? 1171 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:11.000 All right? American football? Football? American football is a sport. 1172 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:17.560 Yes, okay, why does he have skill? The skilled physical? You 1173 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:20.479 know, like a mental like It's it's absolutely yes. You have to be 1174 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:25.239 an athlete. You have to, you know, it's uh mentally like like 1175 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.520 for a quarterback and for everyone to remember all the plays and everything and run 1176 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:30.079 and catch the ball. It's it's of course, of course. Okay. 1177 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:36.920 The manager of the football team, is he an athlete? Is he playing 1178 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.640 a sport? No, he's not playing a sport. He's not playing a 1179 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:47.199 sport former athletes. Maybe he's not actively like the act of managing a team 1180 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:51.760 is not an athletic pursuit. He's in sports. But I see what you're 1181 01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:56.479 saying, like a would we equate management to being in sports, But he's 1182 01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:00.359 not sports actially at that point. Yeah, but he's in sports, in 1183 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.880 sports, but not in an athlete. Hold on, hold on, criteria 1184 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.000 wise, Mary, I see what you're doing, but you gotta stick to 1185 01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:10.840 it. Are we are you asked trying to convinced dand that esports are sports 1186 01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:16.920 or we haven't gotten there yet. An athlete, you know, like like, 1187 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:19.880 no, if you're not play in the game, you're not doing the 1188 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:24.880 athletic role. What I'm trying to understand is do you need skills to be 1189 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:29.560 the manager of a football? Of course? Do you need training? Of 1190 01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:33.479 course? Are you an athlete? Not in that role? It's not an 1191 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:39.479 athletic role? No, all right? I think the players are the athletes. 1192 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:44.000 There are a million roles around sports and teams and stadiums and stuff that 1193 01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:46.960 are not athletic in nature but are inherently tied to the sport and important to 1194 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.479 the sport and the plays on the field. But that doesn't mean they're the 1195 01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:54.159 athletes. George Costanza worked for the Yankees, but he wasn't an act Marty 1196 01:21:54.239 --> 01:22:00.159 Schottenheimer's not an athlete, you know. I wonder what we're discussing though, 1197 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:06.239 is is it a sport or are they athletes? Yeah? Yeah, they're 1198 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:15.520 connected, right, m let's let's continue. Okay, a person playing professional 1199 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:21.600 poker, No, it's not a sport. They're not an athlete. We're 1200 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:26.680 discussing whether or not consider poker a game, not a sport. A poker 1201 01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.119 is a game, not a sport. Yes, there's nothing athletic about poker. 1202 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:35.279 It is it skilled? Oh of course yes? Do you require training? 1203 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:40.880 Yeah, in experience and yeah, knowledge of the game and knowledge of 1204 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.039 people and reading other people, and of course yeah, it's highly skilled, 1205 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:49.279 of course, but not athletic. I think we're coming across the same boundary 1206 01:22:49.439 --> 01:23:00.520 in each of these. So let's try another one. Drone racing not athletic? 1207 01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:05.640 Is it a sport? Stops skipping ahead and answer the questions and the 1208 01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:13.800 order in which I give them. To drone racing sport? No? No, 1209 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.920 have you? Is it skilled? Yeah? Of course, I mean 1210 01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:19.960 all these things are gonna be skilled. Everything's required skill, you know, 1211 01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:25.560 uh huh. But you don't need to be an athlete in order to drone 1212 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:32.319 race. So it's not a sport. That's an interesting one. And I 1213 01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:34.920 can see the parallels in you know, gaming, because oh, do you 1214 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.119 see what's happening? Let's continue. Okay, wait, didn't answer, though 1215 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:46.199 you can't know he didn't. I'm always up for being wrong. Good, 1216 01:23:46.199 --> 01:24:00.840 because it's happening. What's the next one DDR professional player. Yeah, that's 1217 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:06.680 that's getting closer to athlete. Uh huh yeah, why because that requires a 1218 01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:12.880 lot of Like there's a major physical element to it. Major definition of athletics, 1219 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:19.399 major physical element. I'm going to write that down. You're saying that 1220 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:25.479 athletics is about a major physical element. Yeah, athletics. The definition of 1221 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:30.960 athletics are physical sports and games of any kind physical. Well, okay, 1222 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:40.439 physical to who what do you mean? Next? Example, mech fighting. 1223 01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:46.319 You're controlling a mech? Is it a sport? Are you inside the mech? 1224 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:51.560 They're like robot fighting. I think, like like battle bots. Battle 1225 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:59.840 bots is not athletes. No, but there's physical elements happening, but the 1226 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:04.199 person isn't physically like the person literally controlling it. Is this the thing where 1227 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:11.560 they're controlling actually by moving their limbs and whatnot? Are they controlling situation? 1228 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:14.960 Yes, because they're moving. Let me write that down in a pacific rim 1229 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:19.840 situation. Okay, I'm looking at the dictionary definition of athletes. Okay, 1230 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:25.840 yeah, tell me what Webster says. Okay, a person who is proficient 1231 01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:30.680 in sports and other forms of physical exercise. I think that's the key thing 1232 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:36.560 right there. Physically, the Dictionary definition of an athlete involves physical exercise. 1233 01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:42.399 Physical exercise, yea had to be able to get winded. I think, 1234 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.720 yes, you need to be able to get wind which I'm sure a lot 1235 01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:53.279 of Anyway, that eliminates golf. I think golf is the one that kin 1236 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.880 comes up a lot. But that's right. There is the physical element too. 1237 01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.720 I mean there is a lot of dexterity involved, you know, like 1238 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.079 that that is physical, and there is in in gaming two you know, 1239 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:10.600 but they're not really breaking a sweat out there, are they. Yeah, 1240 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:15.840 but it's more physical than you people get like, well, I guess I 1241 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:17.680 got injured playing games, you know, Like so that that's out the window. 1242 01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:29.640 Okay, how about this one professional pool? It's a game. The 1243 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:35.319 definition you read out included games, said physical exercise. Again, the definition 1244 01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:41.119 of athlete a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise. 1245 01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:45.199 But then, what's the definition of sport? That's what we're discussing. 1246 01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:49.199 Who are not discussing whether or not their athletes. We're discussing whether or not 1247 01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:51.399 their sports stand. Okay, here we go, here we go here, 1248 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:55.159 here's the definition of a sport. Oh yeah, what does Webster say, 1249 01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:58.399 a sport is why are you mocking the good name of Webster? Fucking you? 1250 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.920 Hey, where the authorities here? Okay, the authorities say a sport 1251 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:12.039 is an activity involving physical exertion and skill, in which an individual or team 1252 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:17.239 competes against other another or others for entertainment, physical exertion and skill. I 1253 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:23.000 think that's the key. All right, let's talk about But then what golf 1254 01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:27.640 physical exertion is? Yeah, like, what what does that mean? I 1255 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.079 guess that's a Windo interpretation and golf I can see, like, yes, 1256 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.439 yeah, you're not. I'm just saying I'm playing out that This whole argument 1257 01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:39.079 has played out before within the world of professional sports, professional traditional professional sports. 1258 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:42.359 Well that's the thing. It's like I've heard people cheerleaders not sport. 1259 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:44.800 Cheerleader should mean the Olympics. I'm not that guy. No, that's a 1260 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:48.600 fucking sport. They are athletes a thousand percent. It's yeah, golf, 1261 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:51.640 golf is I mean, I think they're athletes. I think there is there's 1262 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:56.840 a serious physical one to drive down a fairway two hundred and fifty yards or 1263 01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.800 whatever. That takes a good amount of just I mean, aiming is not 1264 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:01.920 a strength thing, but like you know, just to get it down there. 1265 01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:08.159 Yeah, sorry, Mary, do you have more? Of course I 1266 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:25.479 do all right. Shooting range competition, it requires physical exertion to be able 1267 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:30.760 to hold the weapon properly and stabilize it in order to hit the bull's eye. 1268 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:36.720 That's a borderline one to me, Well, what is it requires a 1269 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.560 lot of skill? I would throw that more in like the esports category, 1270 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:46.720 shooting is esports? Are you saying that there's multiple categories? There's the borderline, 1271 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:54.239 there's the ippy ones. I don't know if I'm any closer to getting 1272 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:59.920 anywhere with you. I think you're making the point that they're that the definition 1273 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:05.560 of a sport can be very vast. Says physical exercise. A jockey on 1274 01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:13.600 a horse raced the horse. He's riding the horse. The horse is an 1275 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.479 athlete. Oh it takes okay, this actually, like it takes quite a 1276 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:20.399 bit of effort and stamina to stay on a horse for that kind of I 1277 01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:24.560 believe that. Yeah, that's yeah, there's a real physical component there. 1278 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:28.359 Yes, So would you say that your opinion can be swayed based on having 1279 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.439 more information that you didn't have previously? Sport? That's that's The way to 1280 01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:34.000 live your life is to be open to like having your opinions, but then 1281 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:38.520 in the face of evidence and contrary opinions that you're willing to change. Yes. 1282 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:46.159 Absolutely, jockey's requires so much physical exertion to be able to do their 1283 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:51.800 jobs their athletes, and it's a sport. Yes, So Mary do you 1284 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:56.600 have I'm assuming you have more. But I think the thing that would capture 1285 01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:01.079 it is do you think Dan would you you answer yes or no? Do 1286 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:08.159 you think the golf is a sport? Yes? What separates golf from being 1287 01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:15.159 a professional Overwatch player the amount of the physical nature of having to like drive 1288 01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:18.159 a ball down a fairway. If it was just dexterity and just aiming, 1289 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.399 like, yes, you can make the argument that that's the same as professional 1290 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:25.239 Overwatch league or whatever, but it's the fact that, like you do have 1291 01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:30.479 to have your body. There's more required of your body in golf, and 1292 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.720 I think there's enough of it to push that over the line. Whereas esports 1293 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:39.359 there's not a lot required of the physical body. I think there's a lot 1294 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:44.960 required, it's just very specifically in the hand and in the eye coordination elements, 1295 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:47.119 as opposed to like, here's another one. Then this is why these 1296 01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:50.720 these are important. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to interrupt them. 1297 01:30:50.880 --> 01:31:01.319 Trying some throwing a professional dart player, Uh, i'd put that more 1298 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:06.119 in the game. Ked that offends me as a darts enthusiast. It's an 1299 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:13.880 aiming thing, but it's not really golf. It's the same things a very 1300 01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:18.079 specific professional. Oh yeah, you can be like a fat guy and be 1301 01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:29.359 good at golf. I know. Shit. Yeah, yeah, it's like 1302 01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:34.880 ridiculous on all darts players because it's not because they're not as strong as golfers, 1303 01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:39.359 whom are many of our fat by our own admission. I think it's 1304 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:44.119 just aiming. But you're just you're just picking and choosing at golf darts, 1305 01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:47.880 dude, there's there's some darts players you can watch that the Yeah, I 1306 01:31:48.039 --> 01:31:51.039 see, I see the thing you're you're latching onto, and I don't blame 1307 01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:57.319 you. It's the the act of exerting force on an object such that you 1308 01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:00.000 need to be strong in order to be good at something. I think you're 1309 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.760 going more towards if it requires physical strength, it's more of a sport because 1310 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:11.039 that's like Michael Jordan was obviously incredibly fit, and had incredible cardio. But 1311 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:15.159 also there's the mental element in being able to deduce exactly how much force to 1312 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:16.840 put on the ball to put it in the hoop, which that's that is 1313 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:21.680 what I was saying. I think Michael Jordan someone and it's unfair to point 1314 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:27.760 out one of the best athletes ever his range of skills is more impressive to 1315 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:32.600 me than esports players. However, there are still esports players to me that 1316 01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:38.760 are And I say this just as someone who's tangentially interested in esports, and 1317 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:43.359 I'm not really interested in esports, but I've seen Overwatch players up close who 1318 01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:45.560 the stuff they can pull off as a team is as impressive as like a 1319 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.319 golfer. Because in mind, in case you're wondering about my level of expertise 1320 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:54.479 here, I have never seen esports and can't name a single esports players. 1321 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:57.800 Wait, you're arguing about something that you're not fully informed about. I know 1322 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.359 it sounds crazy, but may look was brest upon me. I know this 1323 01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:08.560 sounds crazy, this argument was threst upon me. I really I really against 1324 01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:12.560 a wall here? Are you guys really surprised asking me the questions I'm saying, 1325 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:16.119 to the best of my knowledge, I'm answering them. We're learning a 1326 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:20.279 lot. Yeah, DDR. I think DDR could be a person who arm 1327 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:26.000 wrestles professionally. Oh yeah, I've seen over the top. I was just 1328 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.680 said, I'm just thinking of the guy's arm snapping and over the top. 1329 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:34.039 Yeah. But the difference to you between a person who arm wrestles professionally, 1330 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.760 which is a lot of strength in your arm to be able to go from 1331 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:43.159 this position down you gotta turn your hat backwards to and a person who has 1332 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:49.119 to very accurately and perfectly throw a dart from here to forward. Not I 1333 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:54.119 don't have a stry opinion on the darts thing. I feel like I wouldn't 1334 01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:59.560 put it in the traditional sports realm, but I could go either way with 1335 01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:01.119 that. I just don't one goes this way, one goes this way. 1336 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:05.479 Yeah, but there's and then there's you know, it's a different thing. 1337 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:12.960 They are herken those down there, they are going down the line. Everyone 1338 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.399 you're describing is way more of an athlete than me. Let me make that 1339 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:20.760 clear. We're discussing sport, whether or not it's a sport. I think 1340 01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:26.439 I think Dan, you keep coming back to equating it needs to take you 1341 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:33.079 need to be exerting force on another object or like whether it be like I 1342 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:39.479 think you're equating the amount of movement and exertion a person is putting into it 1343 01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:43.600 with it being a sport. Hence you're not you know, saying I think 1344 01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:45.600 there are rules to what a sport like. For instance, I consider professional 1345 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:50.159 wrestlers to be athletes. I don't consider wrestling to be a sport because it's 1346 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:54.840 not. It's not for real, you know, it's scripted. It's a 1347 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:58.239 performance, you know, like, but I do consider them athletes just because 1348 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.560 of the level of physical Like there's a lot of physical demands and being a 1349 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:05.800 wrestler, so I consider them athletes, just the same way I consider cheerleading 1350 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:09.840 to be you know, they are athletes, but I consider that to be 1351 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:13.960 a sport because that's real. You know, there's actual competition there. Competition 1352 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:21.640 is a key part of sports, moving around physical exertion. Competition. Yes, 1353 01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:28.680 I yeah. So Also maybe another thing you're coming back to, Dan 1354 01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:33.359 is in all the things that you're calling sports, the person is doing something 1355 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:40.680 with their own body, whereas esports there's a bit of separation because they're controlling 1356 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:44.159 an avatar, which is doing things which is obviously being reductive. They're they're 1357 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:47.960 aiming the gun and overwatched their encounter strike. But like it's the fact that 1358 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:53.960 there's technically the digital divide between their body and what's happening. Is that what's 1359 01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:58.680 giving you pause? Because golf like your and there is a sedentary nature to 1360 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.279 it, like it's it's physically sentenary. Obviously mentally there's a ton that has 1361 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:03.880 to be going on, and obviously there's a lot of like finger dexterity in 1362 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:08.079 a hand eye coordination. But like what other sports do you see where somebody 1363 01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:11.600 who's just like sitting in a chair not moving anything but their fingers. You 1364 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:20.920 know, you gotta lean uh F one Formula one racing, Like there's a 1365 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:26.920 lot of like fighting the wheel and fight like curling curling. You gotta be 1366 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:30.920 able to skate. That's more than sitting. They don't fucking skate skate with 1367 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:38.479 a little curl. You're just standing around none up with not that guy, 1368 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:43.399 then the other guy, the guy who throws it. You gotta do a 1369 01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:48.720 little slide. You dropped to a knee. Again, everything you're describing there 1370 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:56.479 is more physical activity going on than esports. I think. I think that's 1371 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.880 the key thing is that you're just sitting in a chair, not moving anything 1372 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:01.960 at your fingers, Like, that's I think the thing right there. Everything 1373 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.560 else you're describe, and even if it's not constant moving around, not everyone's 1374 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:09.199 Michael Jordan, but like if you're up and moving around in golf and you 1375 01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:11.279 have to make contact with the ball and the strength to put it down the 1376 01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:15.600 field, like that's more than sitting in a chair. But it's not always 1377 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:18.920 strength. It's really more about dexterity and focus and like getting it to do 1378 01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:23.399 what you want to do. And the ability to do that precision with a 1379 01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:28.840 mouse and keyboard and to have the ability to have that convert to a digital 1380 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:32.560 space is extraordinary. It is, and it's extremely impressive. I just think 1381 01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:38.399 it's a different thing than sports. It's its own thing. Like I wish 1382 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:41.319 it had its own name that was not esports, because then people would just 1383 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:44.079 say, oh, it's it's competitive gaming. You know, it's a different 1384 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.880 thing. It's in a different category. This is a genuine question, Mary, 1385 01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:50.159 you would probably be the best equipped to answer this. It within esports, 1386 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:56.159 is there still a push for them to be considered do they want to 1387 01:37:56.159 --> 01:38:00.560 be considered sports or most esports athletes and organizations like cool with just being nowhere 1388 01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:04.520 esports. I think, I know there's college scholarships and shit, now it's 1389 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:11.000 a fucking serious thing. Yeah, it's a legit way to make a living 1390 01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:13.640 now, and so I think they just want to be I don't think they 1391 01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:17.000 actually care if it's sports specifically. I think they want to be legitimized as 1392 01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:21.840 someone who is a contender in the space. So just as you know Lebron 1393 01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:27.640 can make a deal for one hundred million, I think esports players are making 1394 01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.680 really big million dollar deals and would like to be respected in their space for 1395 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:35.880 hitting that deal. Does it need to be because it's a sport, Probably 1396 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:42.279 not as important as this is a competitive race and I am the best in 1397 01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:45.520 the business and I and they want validation for that. I think also like 1398 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:50.000 validation for the sport in general, because when you're seeing, you know, 1399 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:59.119 a sport on your cable news set network, they would say, like StarCraft 1400 01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:03.560 deserves to have a channel, no different because people watch it. Okay, 1401 01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:08.119 okay, so you guys seen the Whiplash the movie. Oh yeah, it's 1402 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.960 one of my favorites. So we talked about it on this podcast several times. 1403 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.720 Yeah, so it is that. I mean that requires incredible there's a 1404 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.800 physical element, there's a you know, there's the timing, there's the training, 1405 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:19.359 there's the skill involved. But I don't see a lot of people saying 1406 01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:24.119 drumming is a sport. It's music. It's a different thing. That's how 1407 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:27.279 I feel about. I think the lines there blurry as well, because it's 1408 01:39:27.319 --> 01:39:30.279 technically for entertainment. They're getting paid a lot. But yeah, then you 1409 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:32.479 would say, like, well, they're artists, they're expressing themselves creatively. 1410 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:38.159 You could like there are a lot of professional, like legendary baseball players who 1411 01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:41.159 have said that was a big part of the sport for them was expressing themselves 1412 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:44.600 creatively as well. So there's blurred lines there as well. I'd say, 1413 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.399 yeah, not everything that requires skill in training. Sure I would. I 1414 01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:49.439 wouldn't. I wouldn't go to a jazz show and say I'm going to a 1415 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:53.079 sporting event, right, I'm going to go see the athletes, but I'm 1416 01:39:53.119 --> 01:39:59.479 going to see these athletes compete against each other club in New York with your 1417 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:03.760 chest pain and cheering. Yeah great, you know what I mean. It's 1418 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:06.640 like, Yeah, I would never deny the training and skill involved, but 1419 01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:11.199 it's just not everything that requires training and skill and execution as a sport. 1420 01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:15.279 That's it, right, That's where I think. That was where I was 1421 01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:20.960 at last week. But my thing was just like I still I can more 1422 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:28.159 easily. And it's funny because in the gap between Michael Jordan's skill set and 1423 01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:33.520 mine athletically is like the distance from here to the Grand Canyon. I can 1424 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:39.760 still more easily relate to what he's doing because it's just he's still using a 1425 01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:43.720 human body, even if it's nothing like mine at all. Whereas esports, 1426 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:47.279 to me, it's harder for me to be impressed. But again, I 1427 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:51.720 don't have the knowledge base that someone like Mary does, so I'm sure if 1428 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:57.439 I put a lot of effort into understanding esports more and of which I have, 1429 01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:00.159 Like I was covering overwatched League for a while and I was watching at 1430 01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:01.439 and as someone who played a lot of Overwatch, it was easier for me. 1431 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.680 It understands, like, oh fuck, that was what they just did 1432 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:09.439 as a team was nuts, right, very difficult for this Widowmaker player to 1433 01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:12.239 have pulled off that shot. After all this had been happening, and it 1434 01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:15.239 was frantic that was incredible. But yeah, again to me, it's not. 1435 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:19.920 To me, I think it will still the range of skills involved to 1436 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:25.800 do what the Denver Nuggets just did, I think is still more impressive. 1437 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:29.520 On a base level. Yeah, slash can play a great solo, But 1438 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:31.000 do you say wow, what an athlete afterwards? I like, no, 1439 01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:33.800 no one does that because it's a different thing. It's a different role. 1440 01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:38.079 And that's not saying anything is above or below anything. It's just saying these 1441 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:46.439 are different things. I would still classify competition as sport even though it might 1442 01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:51.479 not have athletes, and I think that's the difference. I've recognized that every 1443 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:55.880 time you don't classify athletes, you're saying it's not a sport. But I 1444 01:41:55.920 --> 01:42:00.119 would say that I that's where I am different because I don't think it requires 1445 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:05.119 athletes for it to be a sport. Are competition sport then yes, by 1446 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:13.279 that definition, absolutely, But I mean sport is jeopardy, didn't The definition 1447 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:15.520 is we'll afford to a sport. No no, no, no no no 1448 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:16.560 no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. 1449 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.279 I don't mary correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think that you 1450 01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:24.479 were saying any competition as a sport, she's saying the opposite. A jazz 1451 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:27.880 competition, you would not consider a sport even though it's competition. She's saying 1452 01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:31.600 that you can be an athlete even if you are not playing a sport. 1453 01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:36.399 Like Dan, you yourself said that wrestling our athletes, but it's not a 1454 01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:40.479 sport. That's different. But no, But the reason I said that is 1455 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:44.920 because they're doing crazy scripted. Yeah, not everything is a sport. But 1456 01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:47.279 what I'm saying is is whether or not it contains athletes, isn't the unique 1457 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:51.039 identifier of whether or not it deserves to qualify as a sport. There's other 1458 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:55.319 things. We all agree that the sports players are not athletes, but e 1459 01:42:55.479 --> 01:43:00.560 sports or sports? Is that where we landed. Yes, okay, I 1460 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:01.920 would say I wouldn't. We'll see, Hi. The thing is is, 1461 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:06.800 I would say that you they're athletic in other ways. I think that the 1462 01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:13.720 dexterity extremely and the hand eye coordination is athletic ability. So I would disagree 1463 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:17.359 with you a little bit. Yeah, okay, like you're assuming athletes athletic 1464 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:21.119 ability is something like you can see and you can understand and comprehend, whereas 1465 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:26.039 like a lot of athletic ability is anate, right. You can tell when 1466 01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:30.159 someone is strong and when someone can jump really high, but it's also really 1467 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:35.640 crazy for someone to be able to I'm trying to think of a better example. 1468 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:40.079 Like the dart example is really good when they're just extraordinary because of their 1469 01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:44.399 experience. They're able to hit a bull's eye a lot better than you, 1470 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:48.760 and that's a lot harder for you to maybe comprehend as skilled and training and 1471 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:56.359 dexterous. But that is very similar to someone being able to to make a 1472 01:43:56.399 --> 01:44:00.439 lot of actions on their mouse very quickly. But that all that goes to 1473 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:02.960 the music thing too, like a master drummer or what is your point with 1474 01:44:03.359 --> 01:44:08.439 music though that Like if you're saying that it's just the dexterity and the training 1475 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:11.079 and all that stuff, that all that applies to the musicians that I don't 1476 01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:15.319 consider athletes. You know, Yeah, what if they were competing on a 1477 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:19.640 guitar off like a jazz competition like in Whiplash there's a jazz competition in it. 1478 01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:23.600 Yeah, still don't think that's sports. Yeah, I wouldn't call it 1479 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:27.079 sport, but technically by definition I guess it would be. But it is 1480 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:30.479 a sport. Yeah, but again, music is its own, bigger thing 1481 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:35.439 that has more, its own vague and nebulous. I think that's just competitive 1482 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:39.279 gaming. I think that's you know, it is its own the music. 1483 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:44.079 There's sports, there's competitive gaming. It's just all right, Dan, You 1484 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:48.159 and I were both playing cookie clicker and the winner got one hundred thousand dollars. 1485 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:57.319 Is that a sport? No? Why not? Again the same same 1486 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.439 reason these words aren't. It's just we're just clicking a button. But I 1487 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:05.000 can click it faster than you and win. And it required training for me 1488 01:45:05.079 --> 01:45:09.079 to click my finger as fast as humanly possible. And I've been training for 1489 01:45:09.199 --> 01:45:11.479 weeks. I've been training. I've been training for that my whole life, 1490 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.920 you know what I mean. Oh my god, I hope people weren't watching 1491 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:17.880 the video when he did that filthy gesture. Cooky Jare is not even an 1492 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:27.239 option. Oh my god, he passed outlet he said, I rest my 1493 01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:32.359 case. I think we all learned something. Shit. Oh, I think 1494 01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:36.800 we've all really grown from this experience. That the basis of this podcast is 1495 01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:40.960 none of us learned shit. That's why I love you guys, because we 1496 01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:45.119 can get to a point where I think we know less than the don't. 1497 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.600 I think Dan seeded some ground to Mary. Mary. I think I think 1498 01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:54.039 Dad made a few good points. Uh. I think this was a healthy 1499 01:45:54.079 --> 01:46:01.199 exercise in being open minded. I think so like my sockers, so I'm 1500 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:05.960 the open min Oh god, Paul like, oh no, oh God, 1501 01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:11.479 no. Yeah. Let's rest assured we pissed off everybody in this episode, 1502 01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:15.399 then good mission accomplished. Yes, if we could piss off both sides of 1503 01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:17.479 an argument, then we've also succeeded in our own Are the people going to 1504 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:21.960 do with the Blackhouse going on? Oh? God, I can't read their 1505 01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:27.399 thoughts? Okay? Um? So what am I doing here? What did 1506 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:30.680 I did? I? Oh? I did? Did someone add this? 1507 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:34.960 I might have added that? Okay? Um? Dan, do you want 1508 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:40.760 to read this? First one from justin? This is? This is not 1509 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.359 a question, but it's just more of a you help them out in a 1510 01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:46.880 roundabout way. Yeah. Big shout out to Dan for his random swerve into 1511 01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:51.119 a detailed discussion on the makeup of raw sewage. At the exact moment, 1512 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:56.479 I was sitting down with a piping hot bowl of mushroom bisk the creamy brown 1513 01:46:56.600 --> 01:47:00.920 broth of the bisk the little hidden pieces of mushrooms swirling beneath the surface with 1514 01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.319 every stir. I'll bet it was delicious. Keep at it, Dan, 1515 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:08.479 I'll be real thin by this time next year with this book approach. That's 1516 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:11.600 justin from San Marcos, Texas. Why was I talking about a sewage? 1517 01:47:12.319 --> 01:47:15.640 You just asked, is sewage poop? And then we talked about it. 1518 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:19.279 I still don't know the show. We're all I can promise you it's not 1519 01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:26.239 a sport. Sewage is not a sport. I'll agree with a new merch 1520 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.760 line. Sewage is not a sport. Get it at Fourth Wall under Fire 1521 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:33.279 Escape Um. Mary Nick is from Perth, So do you want to read 1522 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:35.960 this one? Dan? This is a reaction to you, or rather, 1523 01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:41.199 as long as we're being open minded this episode this is one about your taking 1524 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:45.119 a large inhale right before you get ejected into space. This is a way 1525 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:50.439 to explain it in a way that maybe we'll make more sense. I don't 1526 01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:54.239 know, but Mary Nick is from Perth, who you've had beef with lately, 1527 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:58.000 so I'll let you read this. I feel bad about the Perth talking 1528 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.680 for it. You've got just as many support as detractors, so all right, 1529 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:05.520 well good, I'll take fifty, All right, deer fire escape ease. 1530 01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:10.640 In regards to Dan's confusion about breathing in space, I think in order 1531 01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:15.119 for Dan to quote unquote get it, he needs to experience it. Is 1532 01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:21.359 this guy gonna murder danced into the atmosphere. Get a strong vacuum cleaner, 1533 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:28.279 Grab the hose extension, turn on the vacuum, pop the whole thing in 1534 01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:31.520 your mouth, make a seal around it, plug your nose, and try 1535 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:35.359 taking a breath out of the end of it. Space is a vacuum, 1536 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:39.680 get it. It sucks all of the air out of you. Return. 1537 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:43.600 It's not a literal vacuum cleaner. That's where the name vacuum cleaner comes from. 1538 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:48.880 Okay, well, okay, who invented the vacuum? You know what 1539 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:53.319 I mean? I was looking around. I don't see a vacuum cleaner around 1540 01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:56.239 here. Bottle bottle would work too. Yeah, So let's say I squeeze 1541 01:48:56.399 --> 01:49:00.359 this right, so there's not much air for the video this is. That's 1542 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:02.039 not a vacuum. There's still air in there, no matter much. Right, 1543 01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:05.600 hypothetically shouldn't run out of air, and then I can't know that is 1544 01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:09.680 literally not a vacuum because there's always going to be auction there. Vacuum. 1545 01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:15.079 Literally, there's nothing, there's oxygen in there. Hang on, Yes, 1546 01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.800 hypothetically if you were to suck all of the air out a vacuum. But 1547 01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:25.560 I'm kind of understanding, yes, all right, squeeze all the air out 1548 01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:28.960 of this bottle. You're just like making your own rules in the science experiments 1549 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.479 that you can win. Yeah, but you're getting it, you see what 1550 01:49:31.479 --> 01:49:34.560 I mean. Like, I've never understood it until just now. It's like 1551 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:39.720 you're It's like you're literally I can't even make the can't do that? Holy 1552 01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:44.560 shit? Was this Nick from Perth nailed it? I can solve it. 1553 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:49.760 It would feel this way in space terrible. I don't feel anything. They're 1554 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:58.039 dead. I've never seens Yep. That's I can't I can't reach shit in. 1555 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.600 I can't even make Nick from Perth. I hope you're a science teacher 1556 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:05.800 because you are changing lives in high school. I squeeze this bottle. So 1557 01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:09.439 there's like no space in here at all. So that's why I wasn't able 1558 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:13.920 to bring anything in because there's nothing in there. Space is nothing but space. 1559 01:50:14.439 --> 01:50:18.800 Space is nothing, but space is nothing but a big breath of oxygen. 1560 01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:20.680 You want to move around in it. I can't move around on this 1561 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:25.199 bottle now, I made it too. It's a it's a huge empty hint 1562 01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:30.039 bottle. Mhm. But I could move the fact that there's no space, 1563 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:33.119 so yes, But imagine you are you were going into space and you're trying 1564 01:50:33.159 --> 01:50:36.399 to take that one last breath. That's what it would feel like, because 1565 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:41.039 there's terrible if that was real. So there's another email we got which just 1566 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:45.000 explained it more scientifically. If your lungs are punctured, the reason you can't 1567 01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:49.520 you can't breathe is because there is no differential between the pressure outside of your 1568 01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:55.199 lungs and inside. So right now there's no difference between what's inside the bottle 1569 01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:59.880 and what's inside you, So you can't exchange oxygen or expel oxygen into it. 1570 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.520 What happened there's literally lungs like what's going on with the pressure situation there? 1571 01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:08.359 When you inhale, the pressure would decrease to allow for air, I 1572 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:11.319 believe, and then when you're exhaling, you are putting higher pressure in your 1573 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:14.399 lungs to get rid of air. I might be swapping those on your lungs 1574 01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:16.039 like a couple of shaken up like beer cans, and then like when you 1575 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:19.680 breathe, no no no. So if your lung is punctured, say there's 1576 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:24.319 a hole at the bottom of your lung, you can't really inhale because the 1577 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:28.119 air would just be going back out into outside of your body, and thus 1578 01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:31.199 there's no difference in pressure. I think I'm getting more confused. That's I 1579 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:33.600 know. That's why this one made more sense, because it's like a physical 1580 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:39.800 experiment you can do feel so bad. I know. That's why you don't 1581 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:42.520 want to get launched into space. It'd be fine there, but this is 1582 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.319 bad. Okay, Thank you Nick from Perth, and thank you for reading 1583 01:51:45.359 --> 01:51:48.319 it. Mary. I'll read this one. This is an old school West 1584 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:51.279 from Baltimore is always very good. He eat gets us with his questions. 1585 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:59.600 What is the best fruit in its most ideal form? Pineapple? In the 1586 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.359 up form? You get the little clear tupperwork thing at the grocery store, 1587 01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:05.319 and it's cut up, and it's the kind that's like if it's just like 1588 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:10.079 too white, you know it's gonna be kind of like tough and flavorless and 1589 01:52:10.199 --> 01:52:15.520 watery. I think you want the ones that's like fucking like uh, dehydrated 1590 01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:19.319 pea yellow like that, that type of yellow, just like just deep yellow 1591 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:26.399 and wet and juicy pineapple. That's it. I was gonna I was gonna 1592 01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:30.960 stress the criteria even further and say apple pie is pretty good. I realized 1593 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:34.720 there are other things involved, right, But I'm just stretching the criteria if 1594 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:41.920 we're just sticking specifically, are you? Because it says it says um it's 1595 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:45.800 a most ideal form and a form could be like sprinkling sugar on it, 1596 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.479 and then what's the difference between sprinkling. I think the form has to be 1597 01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:55.600 with nothing the fruit in and of itself. I would say really good batch 1598 01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:00.159 of peaches I think are my favorite fruit, and that's as is. Oh 1599 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:08.479 yeah, but we're talking like like recipes involving something or like something that's based 1600 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:11.520 heavily around like an apple pie is based around apples. Oh fuck now, 1601 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:14.239 I'd say peach cobbler's pretty good. I'm just thinking about desserts with fruits in 1602 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:20.880 it. Cobbler. Never had a cobbler they're good, or like a fucking 1603 01:53:20.920 --> 01:53:25.760 orange peel in an old fashioned always gets me as well. But you're not 1604 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:29.239 eating the orange peel. Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, fucking 1605 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:34.359 West got me. I'm gonna go wine. Wait, not just grapes, 1606 01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:38.640 right, Don't they add stuff? Yeah? I mean more often than not, 1607 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:41.000 there's other stuff in it. Yeah. Do they add the alcohol? 1608 01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:44.239 Or is alcohol in the alcohol? Is when the yeast breaks down the sugar 1609 01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:46.600 produces alcohol or is the yeast in the grapes or no? Sorry, does 1610 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:53.640 get that wrong? That's the that's all alcohol. I believe we've talked about 1611 01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:56.399 this before in the show, like episode thirteen or something. Alcohol is the 1612 01:53:56.439 --> 01:54:01.720 result of yeast digesting sugar. It's like pumpkins outside too long. Right, 1613 01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:06.239 you're looking fun of someone not knowing where something comes from. You've read Webster's 1614 01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:15.039 Dictionary like five times. Stop people telling people on the Somalia for people, 1615 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:17.439 but a dart sexpert either, I just really like it and I'm bad at 1616 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:20.279 it, so I know how hard it can be. Uh. Wine, 1617 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:24.039 I would say, is the ideal form of a fruit, but it adds 1618 01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:29.399 stuff to it. Yeah, but like pie, because they're adding That's that's 1619 01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:31.720 why I said. My answer to the basic of fruit in and of itself 1620 01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:35.239 and its best form is a peach okay, okay, peach close second is 1621 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:40.199 a BlackBerry. Good. Blackberries are really fucking good, perfect tartness, perfect 1622 01:54:40.199 --> 01:54:45.960 sweetness, good texture, chewier than blueberries, which I also like. Blueberries 1623 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:49.159 don't have enough flavor for me. They're always so neutral. I've soured on 1624 01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:53.760 blueberries, no pun intended. Over the over the years, blackberries have supplanted 1625 01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:58.720 blueberries is my favorite berry. I started having cherries and for the first time, 1626 01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:00.359 like I thought, I've been real my whole life that they're the Marrachino 1627 01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:03.800 cherries. Bank got me in on the ones of the actual like nuts in 1628 01:55:03.800 --> 01:55:06.800 the middle and stuff and those are kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1629 01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:11.600 yeah, the cherries are awesome. Oh dude, my my my mom used 1630 01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:14.000 to get the whole bunch of cherries in the bag, rinse them, keep 1631 01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:15.359 them in the colander in the sink, and like throughout the week we would 1632 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:17.880 just pick out. Yeah, yeah, they're good. It's good. So 1633 01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:21.439 yeah, if you get, if you get good, like if you're having 1634 01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:28.000 a Manhattan certain companies like Bullet makes its own Maraschino cherries and those are a 1635 01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:32.159 bit if you're thinking like the spectrum of Maraschino cherries too, And I don't 1636 01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:35.199 know what makes a Marischino cherry Marichino cherry. I'm assuming it's some sort of 1637 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:41.880 it's the sugar involved or whatever. But you can get bullet Maraschino cherries, 1638 01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:45.319 which are darker and closer to real cherries, to put in your Manhattan's old 1639 01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:51.319 fashions, et cetera. Yeah, they're good. Marichino cherries are good. 1640 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:56.239 Um. I like blackberries, and I would even advance that to the Marion 1641 01:55:56.359 --> 01:56:00.119 berry, which is a BlackBerry only grown in the Portland area. I've heard 1642 01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:03.840 of those because that that. I've never had a poison berry that wasn't like 1643 01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:09.840 on pancakes. I've never had it like again in and of itself, but 1644 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:13.720 I've had it as like the syrupy drizzle they put on pancakes. And I've 1645 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:15.399 never had a Marion berry on its own. Marion Barry. Are they named 1646 01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:21.119 after the crack smoking mare. I don't think they're named after the crack smoking 1647 01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:25.600 that's the same phrase, Marion Barry. Is it not a jokey name? 1648 01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:30.600 I think it's not exist before the scandal in like nineteen ninety five. I 1649 01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:34.520 don't know. I feel like it might be a jokey winky like hey, 1650 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:41.000 it's like the crack smoking mare. Marion Barry joked about him high school high 1651 01:56:41.000 --> 01:56:44.319 it was named Marion Berry High School. That was a that was a big 1652 01:56:44.359 --> 01:56:48.079 reference in nineteen ninety five. Ninety Marion Barry was developed at Oregon State University 1653 01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:51.479 in nineteen forty five. Okay, so a pre dates the crack smoking Mare. 1654 01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:57.840 Yes, it was Marian Berry. Berry was the crack smoking mare. 1655 01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:01.319 Oh god, holy shit. Yeah, his teeth. Oh my god, 1656 01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:06.159 this dude smoked some crack. Yeah, I'm not I don't. He's an 1657 01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:10.520 Arkansas's first No, he was a house he was in the House of Representatives. 1658 01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:14.720 Yeah, and he smoked crack. I've never seen a white Arkansas dude 1659 01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:18.079 that like clearly smoke crack as much as this guy before. Wait, are 1660 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:23.720 you looking at the same guy? I think so. I don't think we're 1661 01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:30.239 looking at the same guy. Wait, seriously, I n B A R 1662 01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:34.840 R Y. Oh Oh my god, I am so sorry to mister Barry. 1663 01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:39.920 Oh my god, this dude just died on May nineteenth, too, 1664 01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:47.000 crack smoke. Let me I'm posting this in our discord right now. The 1665 01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:50.119 guy up, this guy, the guy I'm looking at, just died like 1666 01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:54.159 three weeks ago, and I was just making ripping on him. I'm so 1667 01:57:54.359 --> 01:57:57.960 sorry, not a crack smoking man. I apologize to anybody who knows Marion 1668 01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:05.800 Barry, who knew there were two people named Marion Berry who are like Sorry, 1669 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:13.960 the Americans represented for Arkansas's first congressional district from nineteen ninety seven to twenty 1670 01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:16.399 eleven. He was a Democrat. Sorry that we assumed you were a crack 1671 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:23.880 smoker and maybe a berry. Look this guy up. He separated in November 1672 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.479 nineteen nineties, soon after he was caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine with an 1673 01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:35.039 X model and propositioning her for six many Marion Berries are there? Okay, 1674 01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:39.000 this guy's body isn't even cold yet, and I was just ripping on his 1675 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:42.159 teeth. I am very so. I don't have great teeth. For what 1676 01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:48.000 it's worth, I shouldn't be crack. No, oh, man, I 1677 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:54.319 feel bad. I mean that there would be another Marion Berry is beyond you, 1678 01:58:54.640 --> 01:59:00.880 Jake Marion Berries. Two dudes in a berry, one of which is 1679 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:03.119 a crack fiend. What did this guy ever? One day they'll make a 1680 01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:10.640 movie about this and it'll be called Dude God. This guy's is long the 1681 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:15.479 Berry Your Personal Life and Death. Barry resided in Gillette, Arkansas, with 1682 01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:19.000 his wife Carolyn, Carolyn, I hope you are don't listen to fire Escape. 1683 01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:21.760 He identified as a Methodist. He died in Little Rock, Arkansas, 1684 01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:29.359 on May nineteenth, twenty twenty three. He was eighty, justifying, Wow, 1685 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:33.439 he fucking destroyed the other dude dead Barry. Oh, I see the 1686 01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:38.560 other Marion Barry. Oh, Robert Marion Barry is okay. Oh, but 1687 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:43.079 he went by his middle unbelievable. We have the same birthday. No, 1688 01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:47.600 we don't. Just kidding. That's not even a joke. Um. That 1689 01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:50.920 was the first guy that popped up when I because I spelled Barry b r 1690 01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:55.640 o y and it popped up. Yeah, okay, all right, we 1691 01:59:55.760 --> 01:59:58.199 got there. I think we're we've all learned. You know, we say 1692 01:59:58.279 --> 02:00:00.479 we never learned anything on this podcast. I've learned a great deal to way 1693 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:06.880 types of Marion Berry. Today we wed without questions. Webster's Dictionary define Marion 1694 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:12.640 Berry as Dan. We just fine sports. Today. We taught Dan how 1695 02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:16.960 he would suffocate in space with a bottle. I taught myself because I'd like 1696 02:00:17.039 --> 02:00:23.079 to teach myself things. Uh we uh we got a new merch line. 1697 02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:26.439 It's Marion Barry and Marion Berry and Mary and Barry on the shirt. Two 1698 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:30.479 in a Berry shirt, two duds in a berry. Um, Mary, 1699 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:35.000 we should just we should get a merch line that's just the political campaign for 1700 02:00:35.560 --> 02:00:42.680 Marion Barry but Ash Berry. And it's up to whoever's reading. It could 1701 02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:45.000 be a Berry, it could be Marion Barry, it could be Mary and 1702 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:49.840 Berry. Mary. And then new under media a podcast called Mary and Barry 1703 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:58.720 where our friend Barry Smith talks to Mary about fruit and politics and crack back 1704 02:00:58.760 --> 02:01:08.039 to Mary and Berry episode. All right, all right, how we talked 1705 02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.159 earlier. Right now, since we're not drinking here, it's gonna be really 1706 02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:14.479 straight lace game. Yeah, we did say that, probably a more boring 1707 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:19.600 episode. If anybody's wondering what we're like completely sober, this is a pretty 1708 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:24.800 good indication. All right. Do you guys have the wine for it? 1709 02:01:25.600 --> 02:01:27.920 Yeah? Yeah, you have the wine for it. For the listeners. 1710 02:01:27.960 --> 02:01:30.520 For viewers, fireskate cast at gmail dot com. Also you can go to 1711 02:01:31.279 --> 02:01:35.199 fireskatecast dot com, which is also our Patreon, and you can sign up 1712 02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:38.720 for several tiers if you just want to treat as a tip jar because you 1713 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:41.319 like what we're doing, which we always appreciate. Go do that. You 1714 02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:44.039 want to get ad free episodes, go do that. If you want to 1715 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:46.439 get video versions, go do that. You can see Dan sucking on a 1716 02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:49.880 empty what kind of what drink was that? It was a hint bottle? 1717 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:55.840 A hint hint? Is that a hemp drink? It was a hint of 1718 02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:59.439 water. Mott got a hint of said a hint because that's his it's his 1719 02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:02.439 favorite form of fruit. Yeah, yes, yes, the ideal water. 1720 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:11.000 Actually my favorite by ideal form fruit is great fruit lacroix um. Yeah, 1721 02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:15.840 go to our patron do that. Patrons are basically what fund our end of 1722 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:19.439 the year party extravaganza, game of the year stuff, which, if all 1723 02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:21.760 goes according to plan, will be in Portland for at the end of this 1724 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:26.279 year. We keep inviting ourselves and Mary doesn't object, so we're gonna keep 1725 02:02:26.319 --> 02:02:30.039 going through that. Patrons kind of make those happen. Um. Outside of 1726 02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:32.439 that, Dan tell people what they can do on Spotify, iTunes, et 1727 02:02:32.479 --> 02:02:36.479 cetera. Give it the old five stars on Spotify or wherever you listen to 1728 02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:40.800 your podcast. It's pretty easy. Just Spotify, click the star thing, 1729 02:02:40.840 --> 02:02:44.720 the rating thing click five fuse us, Just fuse us and then divide that 1730 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.800 score by two and then give us that many stars. That what, no, 1731 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:54.239 fuse us, you give us a ten whichever sho Okay, okay, 1732 02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:57.239 yes, yes, yes, don't don't give us an eight point seven five. 1733 02:02:57.239 --> 02:02:59.920 I don't want to run. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. There is 1734 02:03:00.039 --> 02:03:03.319 a function that iTunes Spotify introduced that lets the creator know where you live if 1735 02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:08.000 you do fewer than five stars. And I take full advantage of it, 1736 02:03:08.279 --> 02:03:19.840 so I hold the keys the account. My dad's a skeleton. This is 1737 02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:24.760 bad radio. But Dan just went to adjust himself and full on, like 1738 02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:30.800 I'm just selling some video subscriptions right now on the Patreon. That's he went 1739 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:33.319 to like smoothly readjust and kind of like changed hands he was resting on and 1740 02:03:33.479 --> 02:03:38.800 just like punched the desk. Yeah, that feel good. That's good radio. 1741 02:03:38.920 --> 02:03:43.279 Mary. Tell people where they can get some hot merch. There's so 1742 02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:47.560 many places where you can get hot merch. But there's the main place, 1743 02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:53.159 and that's fire Escape merch dot com. That's the one place. There's so 1744 02:03:53.239 --> 02:04:00.840 many places. Well, maybe Marion Barry on there in the future merch on 1745 02:04:00.399 --> 02:04:06.960 fire Escape. Uh, merch dot com. There's lots of good stuff on 1746 02:04:08.039 --> 02:04:12.439 their bottles, mugs, t shirts, cropped sweaters. Let's see that belly 1747 02:04:13.159 --> 02:04:16.880 um, see that widow belly button. We want to see it. Show 1748 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:21.319 me your eight pack, baby, Show me your eight packed your little infant. 1749 02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:28.239 That baby's ripped. That baby put all their put face at me. 1750 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:32.520 Look at that ham, Look at hunkle meat. Maybe it's fucking jacked. 1751 02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:39.000 The baby must be an athlete. One arm push ups. The baby's playing 1752 02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:43.880 darts, flexing its twelve packs. It's APMs are really high, and it's 1753 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:47.319 really good at Overwatch League, just the most jacked baby becomes the StarCraft two 1754 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:55.159 champion I'd start, and then he's an athlete. I'm wrong thanks to what 1755 02:04:55.239 --> 02:05:04.199 would his name be for? Samous Coridian Junior third, We're also gonna be 1756 02:05:04.359 --> 02:05:08.560 I don't have anything to transition to. I think we did it all day. 1757 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:10.479 We did it, Dan, What do you have going on at the 1758 02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:15.000 meantime? Giant bomb dot com and then just Dan record and everything. But 1759 02:05:15.079 --> 02:05:17.479 I'm kind of have to take a little break for a bit from the personal 1760 02:05:17.479 --> 02:05:21.159 streaming, So just checkmut on giant bomb dot com and uh yeah, that's 1761 02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:28.000 it. Mary what about y'all nothing, I'm a shell of my former self. 1762 02:05:28.880 --> 02:05:32.920 This is a no go. It's been a few weeks again, it's 1763 02:05:32.920 --> 02:05:35.920 been it's been nuts. But if you're not a subscribe, we should also 1764 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:40.239 plug this. I guess if you're not a subscriber to the fire Escape YouTube 1765 02:05:40.319 --> 02:05:44.560 channel, go subscribe to that. That's where we've been putting up resume Force, 1766 02:05:44.600 --> 02:05:46.039 so you'll know the moment it goes up. And it helps because the 1767 02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:50.399 scheduling, the publishing schedule for that show has by design been pretty sporadic, 1768 02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:53.760 which we want it to be because it's very much a side thing. But 1769 02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:57.000 you'll get those notifications when we put them up if you're a subscriber, and 1770 02:05:57.119 --> 02:06:00.199 also when we do future stuff on our YouTube. It'll help Ben. You'll 1771 02:06:00.239 --> 02:06:01.359 know the moment it goes up. Yes, like Game of the Year, 1772 02:06:01.479 --> 02:06:04.079 that'll live on that one. So go ahead and subscribe now, and uh 1773 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:06.760 yeah, we'll have more stuff up there. Correct, All right? This 1774 02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:11.960 is a good episode, yea like second ever daytime episode. I think this 1775 02:06:12.119 --> 02:06:14.760 is like morning for you, Mary, it's early afternoon for Dan and I. 1776 02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:18.319 Yeah, I think it's a good I got the rest of my day 1777 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:23.439 ahead of me. Nice all right, I'll see YouTube soon at the Wine 1778 02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:27.199 four on the lacrosse fields. Please remember to write into fire skipcast gmail dot 1779 02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:30.880 com with guesses as to what street our airbnb is on. That's a self 1780 02:06:30.920 --> 02:06:33.359 parody of my interests. And I'm very curious what people think or tweeted at 1781 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:38.000 us. I don't care either one. I'm curious what people think of me 1782 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:45.000 one thousand dollars Bill Avenue, Yes, am I, I guess I do 1783 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:49.680 make mad gosh. I think your interests imply is certain sailboats and wine and 1784 02:06:49.960 --> 02:07:00.760 cool lots drive. I've got expensive tastes and I for expensive paste, cufflinks 1785 02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:10.039 circle, that'd be sick. What do rich people have? Dan boats, 1786 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:17.560 boats avenue. That's the most boring one ever. Git, Look, I'm 1787 02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:20.560 not an athlete. I can't think the find me at eighteen twenty seven boat 1788 02:07:20.720 --> 02:07:29.760 Avenue. Bitches rhino meat, all right, tax to circle. Well, 1789 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:34.279 so I've got mad all those rich people with all their taxidermy homes. No, 1790 02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:41.640 they're like, they're like rhinos and stuff. We will be back in 1791 02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:44.920 a couple of weeks, July three. We'll be back, U will we? 1792 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.479 Yeah, we'll be back then it will be the holiday weekend here in 1793 02:07:47.520 --> 02:07:54.000 America, we'll be back. Thank you for joining us, See you later 1794 02:07:54.119 --> 02:08:18.279 on ms ST