1 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:13,759 Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape cast. It is a 2 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:18,199 rare daytime recording, as you can kind of see if you're watching our video 3 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:22,440 version lights streaming in. I'm drinking coffee instead of got a coffee instead of 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,440 beer or whiskey. So different for us to all be drinking coffee instead of 5 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:32,159 booz It's like seeing your teacher at the grocery store. It's very out of 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,280 context. I think we're gonna make up for the booze part in the coming 7 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,439 week, though. We'll be all right, Yeah, you two, are 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,159 you making the tripe? Well I do, I did not right now. 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Maybe by the time we're talking about video games. Yeah, you two are 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,359 flying. You two and Jake are flying out here in a few days we're 11 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:50,880 recording. It has been well, we'll talk about what we've all been up 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,640 to, mainly you two, but um, it's been busy for basically all 13 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:58,479 four of us here at fire Escape the last two and a half through well, 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,600 I mean the last year really, but especially the last two weeks hence 15 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:06,200 are Tuesday publishing if you're used to on Monday, as we apologize, but 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,680 a lot of people have Monday off anyway here in America. At least so. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,319 I mean, it wasn't just me and Mary and Jake. I mean 18 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,439 we we had you on the couch and Jake. All four of us were 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,079 on the Giant Bomb couch and so yeah, that's true. I was there. 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 I was drinking wine as usual. It was fun. I was there 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,280 quiet, you're required than normal. Yes, snowbike Mike was there. It's 22 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:29,159 great to meet him. Um, Mitch. Mitch had no shoes on. 23 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,719 I got to see his feet finally, I've been asking him for years. 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,079 Oh yeah, Mary was next to Mike, who could forget? Yeah, 25 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,879 so for I assuming everybody knows, but for those who don't know, Giant 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:46,560 Bomb did their their perennial couch at Summer Games fust the not E three but 27 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,599 the new E three. I believe it was called Giant Bomb at night. 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,959 I have the mud look at that. I mean, aside from when I 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,840 was there, how did everything go? Because it seemed fun? Oh my 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,120 god, it was so good. Honestly, it felt it felt amazing after 31 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,079 like you know, I've been doing you three for a long time, but 32 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,159 nowon the Giant Bomb couches since twenty eleven before I worked there, and it 33 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,120 just felt so good to like I kept thinking that, like I left the 34 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:15,120 industry for three years and somehow never missed a couch, you know, like 35 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:19,439 I because the pandemic and everything, and now we're back and oh yeah twenty 36 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,919 one we didn't have anything. Yeah yeah, And I mean if for anyone 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,919 who saw it, like Jeff Grubb did an incredible job put in the couches 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,759 together and hosting and Jan keeping everything together and everyone from like bandom with Emma 39 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,680 and Bailey and it was just it was honestly, it was amazing. It 40 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,439 was just the green room situation was great. Tons of people just hanging out 41 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:42,120 having a good time. It was a man, it felt great. And 42 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,000 Mary having you in there was awesome. That that particular couch that we had 43 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:51,520 with me you Manati, Snowbike, Mike and Mahardy. Of course that was 44 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,560 a highlight for me. That was fun. Yeah, it was super fun. 45 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,960 I was in and out. I literally came just for that segment. 46 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,319 Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate you flying in. I love that you went 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:07,599 and got a glass of wine right before we went live, just to make 48 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,319 sure that you had that glass of wine as we were doing our segment. 49 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,120 I thought that was you know, made sure you had it, did you? 50 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,960 Guys know I like wine. I've seen you with some wine before. 51 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,199 Yeah, you're we're doing our So we're doing our joint bachelor bachelorette kind of 52 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:28,439 big just weekend away in like a week from right now, and you two 53 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:30,599 are flying out for it. Dan, describe it. Describe it to the 54 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,039 folks. How you've been describing it to me. I've been telling everyone that 55 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,159 I'm going to a wine fort in the Lacrosse Fields of State in New York 56 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,319 sort of a little bit. Yeah, um am I wrong with any of 57 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:49,120 those By the way. By the way, I'm not going to say the 58 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:53,240 street that you're on, but I mean it is the level of self parody. 59 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,960 It is the level of self parody that when I saw the address, 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:01,000 it might as well be like two to four Sailboat Avenue or something. Listeners 61 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,240 and viewers do us a favor if you if you have a guess as to 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,000 what I'm not going to tell you whether it's correct or not, because I 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,159 don't want people stalking us. But what is right in what you think? 64 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,159 Then if a street that we're on is a self parody of me, right 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,319 in what you think, it's called. I'm very curious what people uh to 66 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,439 firescape cast at gmail dot com. You texted the address that Tolstoy. Of 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:28,319 course, of course that's yeah, of course, yeah, it's dostayesky Lane. 68 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:30,319 Yeah, I'm curious how people think it is. And again I'm not 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,480 gonna tell you what it is, but um yeah, we're excited. It's 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,120 it's been very busy. I've been, uh, I've been doing of all 71 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:42,079 things, Tribeca Film Festival. I believe it's just called Tribeca Festival now here 72 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:48,040 in New York. Yes, I went to that documentary that we talked about 73 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:55,319 this the day before, Dan can I mention that you just uh can? 74 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:58,519 I wish you a happy belated on the show. Thank you you happy belated 75 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,120 birthday. I saw you birthday. Why was that? I chose not to 76 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,959 too fucking busy for us. I made the active decision not to go. 77 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,720 Yeah, she didn't say she was busy. She's like, no, I 78 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:15,759 don't want to come. I didn't feel like it. Yeah, I've done 79 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:19,759 a couple of things. Um I I'm trying to say this diplomatically. So 80 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:27,759 I went to a screening of an upcoming Hideo Kojima documentary. It's about an 81 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,000 hour long, and it's largely centered around forming the independent studio and then Sony 82 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:35,000 picking them up to put the publish, et cetera. For def stranding. 83 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:40,800 Uh wait, sorry what the person who made the documentary they're known for anything? 84 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:43,680 Oh? Um, I thought you were doing a Cogima joke. Um. 85 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,600 His name is Glenn Milner, the director. He I think from what 86 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:54,439 I gather, his specialty is kind of like behind the scenes esque documentaries of 87 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,079 certain movies, like he did he did one for Rogue, one with with 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,439 with a People. It was I think it was made largely for more casual 89 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,800 people, like was it made for Hideo Kojima? It felt like it? 90 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,839 And then guess who showed up and we didn't know he's gonna be there. 91 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,360 I guess who showed up to moderate? Is Kojima's best friend, mister Jeff 92 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:21,279 Keely Keely And also I've seen him in a Nicholas binding reference Nicholas around New 93 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:27,279 York City, just taking a million Instagram photos together. It's relationship. I 94 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:30,199 have no qualms saying what I think about. We've talked about William viinding refer 95 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,480 on the show before he introde the documentary and here's how he introed it, 96 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,920 and he goes up, He's like me and Hideo. I'm not going to 97 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,920 try his accent, but me and Hideo Kojima are similar artists in our outlook. 98 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,399 We also have similar glasses, and we are also very awkward in conversation 99 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,240 with the opposite sex. Without further ado, here's the movie. I'm like, 100 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,199 what the wow, Yeah, they're terrible with women, and yeahs, 101 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,639 what did mister Cogima think of that fucking intro um? And then there was 102 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:09,160 an hour long panel after. Obviously with interpretation it's a bit shorter, but 103 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:14,360 it was Keiley, the director, Glenn Milner, Kojima, and his interpreter. 104 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,959 And again it felt kind of maybe, and I will fully admit maybe 105 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,199 we are just a bit spoiled in the sense that we have attended a lot 106 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,560 of things like this. We've interviewed a lot of cool people. We get 107 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,720 we are just around cool video game creators, film directors, etc. And 108 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,519 it's awesome. I think it was more for the like Kojima stands, the 109 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,600 movie was made for people who really just wanted and I don't mean in like 110 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,639 the in like the in depth, in the way that you know Cogima's work, 111 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,519 Dan, Yeah, like a Maya Cogimastan. Yes. But so I 112 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:57,319 think it's more for people who like appreciate it, less for the specifics of 113 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:03,079 the work and more just like to kind of slobber over Kojima, Um like 114 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:05,600 he can do no wrong, etc. And I mean I'm the first persons. 115 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Obviously we've talked about that stranding for I love that game now, but 116 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,680 the documentary just felt the documentary felt a bit. There's an undiplomatic term that 117 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,079 I will would use if we were not No, I don't want to say 118 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:24,040 it, dick writing. I didn't say it is that the term was close. 119 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:26,759 It's close enough a circle. I was gonna say a circle jerk. 120 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,519 But it's like it's close. But in the sense that I was like, 121 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,519 Okay, come like, there's not much of substance for someone going for work. 122 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,039 I'll say for me Um. However, earlier in the week I did 123 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,159 go to something super fucking cool. Mary, you'll especially appreciate this. Mike 124 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:50,080 Flanagan, the horror miniseries direct well Gerald's game Hush director but also director of 125 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,960 House, Haunting of Hillhouse, Haunty of Blind Man, or Midnight Mass Midnight 126 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,159 Club apparently is a huge fan of remedy entertainment and specifically Sam Lake's writing and 127 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,240 his games, the games that he's directed. So apparently Mike Flanagan was heavily 128 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:09,399 influenced by Alan Wake twenty Xbox three sixty game and the sequels coming out. 129 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,039 So they did a panel like a, Q and A, and that was 130 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,440 fucking awesome. I could listen to those two talk for hours, Like they 131 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,440 talked about horror in general, they talked about Stephen King, they talked about 132 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,519 each other's work, like, yeah, they gushed about each other's work, 133 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:28,120 but they also dug into specifics of it. And then I got the I 134 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,360 chatted with Sam Lake the next day, and they're doing some really cool stuff 135 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,559 with Alan Wake two. Maybe week this is better for the video game segment, 136 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,120 but all it's like they're doing some really cool stuff. They're doing the 137 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,759 dual protagonists. You've got Alan who spoiler alert for the end of the two 138 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:48,759 thousand ten game. It's been caught in this like limbo dark place since the 139 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,639 end of the game. The game the sequel actually plays takes place thirteen years 140 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,879 later in real times twenty twenty three and this new character, Saga. She's 141 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:03,559 an FBI agent sent she's a criminal profiler, sent to investigate stuff in the 142 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:09,039 pack Northwest setting of Alan Wake, Twin Peaks, etc. That is largely 143 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,679 inspired by True Detective Season one, like rural occult kind of Yellow King killings. 144 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,559 Yeah, and then right exactly, it's oh, I mean, but 145 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,840 it's yes, building on that, it's also super survival horror. Now it's 146 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,600 no longer like Allen Wake was more action horror. This survival horror. And 147 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,200 then the other half of it is Alan in the Dark Place, which takes 148 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,879 the form more of control, like urban dark, gothic New York City. 149 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:39,120 And Sam was saying during the Q and A or the panel that it's largely 150 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,679 inspired by Taxi Driver, like that vibe of urban isolation and neon kind of 151 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,080 seventies vibes. And you can switch once you unlock both those characters, you 152 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:56,960 can jump between their timelines. They're they're parallel timelins, but you can jump 153 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,840 between their playthroughs at will, because you're also going into what they call Saga's 154 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:05,039 mind place, like more and more detective games are doing this. It's just 155 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,200 represented as this room with like Charlie Kelly mail Room, Pepe Sylvia, clues 156 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,639 and leads and suspects and whatnot if you want, which I feel like note 157 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,120 of if people are talking about this, because it's super fucking cool. If 158 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,279 you want, you can play Alan Wake's story the entire way through until like 159 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,279 the end of the game basically, and then you have to get Sagaut to 160 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,960 that point. But you can both jump back and forth between them or just 161 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:31,600 stick with one the entire game, and there will be foreshadowing between them. 162 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:37,120 There'll be these like shared mirror to clues and imagery and whatnot. But I'm 163 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,679 kind of pumped for that game in a way I was not before that panel, 164 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,279 because the dual protagonist thing is cool, but I assume you'd be jumping 165 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:50,039 back and forth between them. Yeah, you can jump back and forth anytime 166 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,000 you want, but like at a certain point, wouldn't like Michael, like 167 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:58,000 his storylines or his available missions wouldn't progress unless you did a Trevor or correct 168 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,159 right, and then how that worked where I could go all the way and 169 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,440 then go back and do all the way with it. We're in the exact 170 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,600 same way of Liketh. They literally have a story on Polygon right now. 171 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,799 That I wrote based in the interview. That's it's taking GTA five's character swapping 172 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,120 to a weird new place. It's yeah, imagine if you could play Michael 173 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,919 all the way basically till the end, and then go back and do Trevor's 174 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:18,759 stuff before Franklin. But also they're not like in GTA five they were sharing 175 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,799 the same physical space, and it sounds like this they will be like correct 176 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,879 totally different like realities. Right, Yeah, saga is there, I think 177 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,720 largely because Allan's been missing and there's more stuff happening, so she is aware 178 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,159 of who he is. But they are very like she's very resonable for True 179 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:37,559 Detective season one survival horror, he's more like control Allan wake one vibes of 180 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,960 I think that's still survival horror, but it's like New York City urban, 181 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,480 dark, weird, surreal Dave David Lynch stuff. That sounds awesome if it's 182 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,440 less action, because like, I love the vibe of Allan Wake one, 183 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,360 but like the action of it did not really work with me at all, 184 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,200 So if like give me that vibe but also just make it more actual survival 185 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,080 horror, And that sounds like exactly what I want out of that. Yeah, 186 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,519 but I actually replayed it recently. I still really the remastered one on 187 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,720 PS five Series X, and I really like it. But yeah, by 188 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:11,000 the like third chapter, the Flashlight Shotgun interplay gets kind of old. Very 189 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,080 nice play Devil's Advocate though, and say that one of the things that I 190 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:22,039 liked about requiring to jump around between characters and GTA is that I got to 191 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,399 see perspectives of other characters lives and how that influenced the larger world. And 192 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:33,159 so not having creators like players do that, could you care? So you 193 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,919 can ask them, but if you're not making them, sure, and I 194 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,279 could just play one character, couldn't I be losing like really good context of 195 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,559 what's going on and probably the value add of that game, which is you're 196 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:50,159 seeing dual issues that are happening in different universes and how they play off of 197 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,320 each other, for sure. And Sam Lake himself was like, we're really 198 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,679 fucking nervous that we're giving players this much control to exactly what you're saying, 199 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,000 because he's like he was saying to our interviews, like you've played my games, 200 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,279 you know that, by and large we tell fairly linear stories, and 201 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:07,960 there is like the amount of kind of directing the player where to look at 202 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:13,679 certain times, so to speak, is valuable. And yes, I think 203 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:16,919 I'm excited for the structure. I definitely think it's way riskier because you could 204 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,919 lose a lot of not everybody might be recognizing these like parallels between the storylines 205 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,759 throughout the whole thing, for sure. And what are the two characters Again, 206 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,320 There's Alan Wake who's been stuck in the Dark Place quote unquote since the 207 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,360 end of the first game. He's in that like surreal mindscape, nightmare or 208 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,639 New York City and then like a new character that no one knows. Yeah, 209 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,279 he's to stand in for the audience whether you haven't, like even if 210 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,120 you played the first game, it's still been thirteen years. He said. 211 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:46,080 They didn't want people to have to do homework in order to get ready for 212 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,639 the sequel. So it's the FBI. He's the guy who's like, so 213 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:54,879 you're saying Alan Wick has been in the Dark Place for thirteen years, that's 214 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,320 crazy. This writer goes into the woods. He's got a plash like, 215 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120 yeah, he's like, it helps that she's an FBI agent because she's also 216 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,840 kind of doesn't know a lot of what's going on either. So she's coming 217 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:16,120 in and her partner is Alex Casey, but it's Sam Lake like he did 218 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:18,519 with Max Payne one and two. It's him acting, And I remember if 219 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:26,919 there's actually acting an equivalent to the term meet cute for where you're trying to 220 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,799 explain a synopsis really quickly. For newbies, a meat cute is the concept 221 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,360 in a film, in case anyone isn't familiar of, when two protagonists or 222 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,039 at least two people that are meant to have a romantic interest meet and it's 223 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,679 called a meat cute in film. I wonder if there's like that kind of 224 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,679 concept for how do we explain the entire fifteen year backstory quickly? And it's 225 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,039 like, well, our main protagonist is a writer and he's explaining to his 226 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,720 wife the synopsis of his book, which is the entire story, so that 227 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:04,840 he can get fucking into it immediately. Yeah, whatever that is. There's 228 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,000 entirely a chance that they might fuck up Alan Wake too, But I am 229 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:14,879 definitely more excited for it than I was, um, because it the fact 230 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,519 that they're doing like True Detective season one kind of stuff is awesome. Um, 231 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,600 did they say that or did you come to that conclusion. No, 232 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:25,600 they they've said it. He said true everybody fucking loves True to Secive season 233 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:29,000 one and it's so funny. Is the only show I can think of where 234 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:32,279 you have to specifically say season one? Yeah, like what everyone knows? 235 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:33,399 Like no, one's like, no, I didn't like season one, but 236 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:40,399 two is where they got me. Yeah it's gonna be Yeah, True Detective 237 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,440 season two, that's really when it took off. Someone didn't like season one 238 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,360 of True Detective and loved season two. I just don't ever want to talk 239 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:49,840 of that person. It's qualified from being a person I'm interested in. They're 240 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,840 out there and the fact that I don't know them. I want to keep 241 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,279 it that way. Yeah. There, we're all we all have different life 242 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,039 paths and outlooks on art, but what the fun I would have loved if 243 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,559 on stage? Sam Lake's like, it's very inspired by True Detective, not 244 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,839 season two. I haven't seen three yet. I hear it's good, but 245 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,039 this is one with rust call and flat circles and yellow kings and Reggie Ledou 246 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:23,279 not Colin Farrell, and really inspired Simpson's season fourteen. Yeah, yeah, 247 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Allen Wake three is going to be four. Yeah, right when it gets 248 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:33,440 right in the sweet spot. Oh, the best season of rest of development, 249 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,880 the fourth one. I'm super I am very excited for this one because, 250 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,920 like, I've always loved the vibe of Remedies games, but I feel 251 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,119 like the vibe is at odds with like, like I love the idea of 252 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,960 Quantum Break, and the gameplay was not good. Um Control was the first 253 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,920 one where I was like, Okay, they nailed it. Were the vibe 254 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,559 and the actual gameplay. I like both of them. And so now that 255 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,480 I'm like on board with Remedy, this sounds like a very good one. 256 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:06,400 Yeah, and he said, like he fully knowledge like Survival Horror will actually 257 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,440 allow us to tell a story that's kind of in concert with the gameplay, 258 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:14,200 where our past games have not always done that. But yeah, I'm hoping 259 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,240 their post Control career they just keep the hits going. Control was successful, 260 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,039 right, Yeah, they went from after Control, he said. Then they're 261 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:27,279 working on other projects. They announced that like um nebulous kind of like uh, 262 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,319 what do you want to call it? Live service shooter based in the 263 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,519 Control universe. They also are doing that. They're they're working with other studios, 264 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:41,200 but they went from like one hundred people to four hundred after control. 265 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:44,519 Oh geez, okay, I don't know how many people of those are working 266 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,640 on Alan Wake two, but yeah, I'm excited that comes out mid October, 267 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,599 along with every other game ever aside from Starfield, we're doing doing all 268 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,480 this game analysis. Twenty minutes into the show. I know it's weird. 269 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,920 Uh, that's not what we do. But everything that we've been doing has 270 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,319 been gaming adjacent and everything that I've had less time to play games in the 271 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,079 last two weeks than I've had like every But you're right, like summer getting 272 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,279 you've been observing games at summer games. First, I'm certain. Yeah, 273 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,680 I'm doing what if I've been doing. Beside, I've been busy too. 274 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:19,160 I didn't see what I've been watching anything fun. Oh I finally watched I 275 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,759 think you should leave season three. It's good. It is good, and 276 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,880 I've told people this, I need to watch it again. If I think 277 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,599 season two is the best, I would give season two an A plus. 278 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,480 Season one, I'd give a minus A. Season three. There are some 279 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,680 really good sketches, but overall, and it's a sketch show. You're not 280 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:45,079 you're not homework score we have a fucking score forgot okay, Season one a 281 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,079 minus. What a fucking it's my academic side coming up. I would give 282 00:19:52,119 --> 00:20:03,720 it an sent. Season one was eight point five, Season two was nine 283 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:08,200 point five. Season three I would give like overall a seven. Oh wow, 284 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,279 I like the fucking zip line sketch is really fucking good. I really 285 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,240 liked a man. See, They're not popping into my head immediately like season 286 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:22,240 two. Granted I've only watched season The dog Door one I liked a lot. 287 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,680 Dog Door was good. Guy, the guy talking to on the boom 288 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,480 mic on the comedy set was really good. That was good. The wrestlers 289 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:34,960 with the proposal was good. That was good. My other favorite one was 290 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,759 when they used the Santa Claus guy again with the same shirt brothers yea and 291 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:44,839 I am absolutely lost my ship. When he's running back to the auditorium to 292 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,680 catch his daughter's solo in this like children's choir, and then she starts just 293 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,839 rapping for her solo. It was so stupid. Um But like the fact 294 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,680 that, uh again, I need to watch it again. I think Patti 295 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,240 Harrison was grossly under used her sketch, the one where she was putting stuff 296 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,400 on the cardboard cutout of her Boss. That one I didn't love. Yeah, 297 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,319 but there were some good ones, but overall it's it's weaker, I 298 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,599 think. But I need to watch it again. Maybe it'll grow on me. 299 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,839 I've seen them all just once, like all the seasons. I think, 300 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,880 I just watched them all in like one sitting for the most part, 301 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,039 and to me, they're all like a solid eight eight point five. Yeah, 302 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:23,200 you've probably seen all of them like a billion times, so I have 303 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,039 a more discerning view of it. Yeah. I will definitely like have it 304 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,960 on when Jake gets to our apartment later this week, and I'll see more 305 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:33,039 of it. But it was good. I liked it. I enjoyed it. 306 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:38,440 I definitely didn't one sitting. I did an accident where I left mid 307 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,759 season, and I came back and I watched an episode and I was like, 308 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,160 oh my god, this episode's so good and it was from season two, 309 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:52,400 and I guess like my Netflix automatically restarted an episode from season two for 310 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,160 some reason, and oh my god, it's so funny, and I forgot 311 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:00,799 how funny season two is. And I will agree. I think season two 312 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,599 is one of the funniest seasons I've ever seen of any Netflix series. It's 313 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,720 unbelievable how many good sketches came out of that. But season three has its 314 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,200 moments too. Yeah. I was watching the episode where the girl sues the 315 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,200 city because she actually got sewed into the pants of the big Charlie Brown. 316 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,119 Yeah. Fuck, she's so funny, and I was just like, what 317 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,599 a good episode. I hate to Yeah, it's like she's like, I 318 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,960 want wine and popcorn when I finished. When I drink wine the night before 319 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,960 and I go to the bathroom next day, the toilets purple, purple and 320 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:47,480 black. Uh. She's also the one they use in the tables Freddy Krueger 321 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,960 sketch. But yeah, the one they I think she was only in one 322 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:55,319 in season three. She was also the how come when I make a joke 323 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,759 about Santa, nobody laughs, but when he comes in, it's the funniest 324 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:08,920 fucking thing. Sorry to have time to wrap at Someone sent an email into 325 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:14,119 us that was very confusing, and I realized they were just every line was 326 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:22,759 quoting I think you should leave. They were recording the cigar window painting when 327 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,160 he's just doing oh the mister who smokes a cigar like that? I love 328 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,240 that guy. It's simply too good. Gotta monetize this, right. I 329 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,799 watched the entire three part Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary on Netflix, and if you ever 330 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,000 want to feel like you've never accomplished anything in your life, I would recommend 331 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,720 that, because holy shit, that guy was good at everything you did. 332 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:53,599 Okay, I'm asking this broad Strokes obviously big time bodybuilder, very extremely successful 333 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,200 action movie star and other movies. Governor of California, Yeah, Hotter, 334 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,359 is there any big thing I'm missing that he's done well? I mean that 335 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:04,880 that is how the documentary is framed. It is like part one, part 336 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,799 two, part three. So it's like the bodybuilder of the movie, start 337 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,079 of the politician. And when I say he was good and everything he did, 338 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,680 I certainly don't know if he was good at being governor, but I'm 339 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,799 saying he accomplished everything he set out forward. It's like I want to be 340 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,960 a politician. I want to be an actor. I want to be a 341 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,960 bodybuilder. He's amazing at that. Um it is. It is mainly stuff 342 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,759 that you know. I mean, there's some interesting I would prefer more about 343 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,599 the movie career because like they went into like when last Action Hero flopped like 344 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 he was just so used to winning everything he ever fucking did, and then 345 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,359 when people didn't really get Last Action Hero back when it came out, he 346 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,160 was like really bummed out about that and kind of wanted more of that. 347 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,799 And what are other movies he's been in? What's that? What are other 348 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,599 movies he's been in other than the Last Action Yeah, that's the only one 349 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,400 I know, says guy that knows La Sex. I would to meet that 350 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,599 guy that it's the same guy as the true Detective season two guy. You've 351 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,200 told me about Last Action year It wasn't it kind of meta? Yeah, 352 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,079 I haven't. I've never seen. It's at the height of his powers, 353 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,440 Like he's the biggest movie star in the world, coming right off of Terminator 354 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,359 two, and he makes this like self parody movie that is like a fun 355 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,400 action movie in its own right, but it's like poking fun at himself and 356 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,640 he's in on the joke and killing it. If you watch it now, 357 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,000 it is held up extremely well. Back then, everyone was expecting like, 358 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,559 oh, it's the next big you know, arnold you know action movie or 359 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,279 whatever, and it was like weird and meta in a way that like that 360 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,039 people were not used to in nineteen ninety six. It is fucking awesome. 361 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,359 It is. Was it like like Tropic Thunder type thing where it was like 362 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,920 it's a joke about action movies and Hollywood. It's less common. I mean, 363 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,720 it's definitely a comedy, but it's more like there's more like earnest action 364 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,559 movie in there than Tropic Thunder, which Tropic Thunder is just straight up a 365 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,079 comedy, you know about action movies. This is an action movie that's poking 366 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,960 fun at itself and its star. Yeah, Tropic Thunder is also specifically about 367 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,599 Vietnam era war movies too, Yeah, like Platoon. Yeah, well, 368 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,359 I think it's the biggest joke of the whole concept is Hollywood it right, 369 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,000 Like that's what it's constantly making fun of is actors who are trying to get 370 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:11,599 awards and how Hollywood utilizes war to like say something and make fucking money. 371 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,839 And it's the entire joke and method acting. It's that's that's the acting. 372 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,000 And they do it in multiple ways where they take an actor and say you're 373 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,640 doing this to win an award and you that's all your goal is. And 374 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:32,039 so we're making fun of actors that are trying to basically go places they shouldn't 375 00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:33,880 in order to win an award. Yeah, this is less about like the 376 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,839 industry and more about like specifically like that big budget Arnold action movie and specifically 377 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,920 about Schwarzenegger and his career where it's like it's like this alternate universe. And 378 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,160 like when Schwartzeneger's character comes out of the movie, he goes to a Blockbuster 379 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,359 and sees a terminator to cardboards Dandy, but it's stallone, and he's like, 380 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,519 who's this guy? Like it's you know, it's like very action movie 381 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,279 heavy, sounds very like, but that's like a very literal joke, whereas 382 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:00,000 like when I think of a good action movie joke, I think of hot 383 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,759 shots or you know, something like that, where it's like we are making 384 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,680 fun of this genre of film. Yeah, it's like that if it was 385 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,920 more of an just normal action movie as well, you know, it's you 386 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,519 mean, not as good. I like last Action here more than hot shots. 387 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,480 Hot Shots is fun, but I love hot shots, But I think 388 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:25,480 I can't get over hot shots and hot shots part du Yeah, I looked 389 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,960 they were very very good. I was also the right age when those came 390 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,440 out to find them the funniest things possible. All Right, I'm gonna look 391 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000 it up, because if you're saying it's on par with hot Shots, like 392 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,240 hot Shots is infamous. I just wouldn't expect it to be like a billion 393 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,440 jokes a minute like hot Shots. I would expect it to be just kind 394 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,480 of it's it'll be much smarter than I think you expect. It's not reviewed 395 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:48,200 very highly. People didn't get it. People weren't ready for it. Arnold, 396 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,839 Mike, what do you think the what do you think the Rotten Tomatoes 397 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,599 score is on Last Action here? Shit, I don't give a shit about 398 00:27:53,599 --> 00:28:00,680 what critics. I'm not having seen it Rotten Tomato critic or viewers critic U 399 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,200 forty three percent. He's good. I've never seen it. It sounds out 400 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,599 my alley. I like for all of my flaws, or rather all my 401 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,559 qualities. I also a sucker for like meta movie. I think you would 402 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,000 like it a lot. But still the number one thing that I know you 403 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,720 would love that you have not seen this Still pig Oh Jake tells me that 404 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:25,240 like Weekly as well, the most hondy movie I could ever imagine. I 405 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,759 need to watch that. Maybe I'll watch that this week before people come so 406 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,200 I could talk about it. He also I also Amanda, and I saw 407 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,519 Asteroid City at the advance or like New York screening. Were there any symmetrical 408 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:40,599 shots. No, no pastel colors, no symmetrical shots. Not every actor 409 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,920 imaginable in it. No Murray, No Bill Murray. Actually that was the 410 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,680 one omission. Was he actually not in there? So he's not He's like 411 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,839 the only person not He's not even like in the background at some point, 412 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,119 not that I saw Jeff Goldblum's in it, Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks is 413 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,559 new to Wes Anderson, Scarlett Johansson. It's the first time Jason Schwartzman is 414 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,559 a leads well since Darjeeling sort of, but the single lead since Rushmore, 415 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,720 which is one of my favorite Wes Anderson movies. But I like this movie 416 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,680 quite a bit. I will say, if you are, I think there's 417 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,960 two sides to the Wes Anderson portfolio of movies. There's one side where he's 418 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,440 actually telling a very good story and wrapping it in his esthetic. There's the 419 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:26,000 other side where he's very up his ass and like doing a movie about his 420 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,960 movies. The more than anything asterraat City feels more like the latter, and 421 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:37,359 like again, I was kind of into it, very good looking. This 422 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,160 was the most I've laughed during a Wes Anderson movie in a while. I 423 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,440 love Grand Budapest, but I wasn't and it was funny. But and that's 424 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000 one of my favorites of his as well. I couldn't stand. I love 425 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,880 dogs. I really like the French dispatch. This is if I'm fusing this 426 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:59,759 movie, I would say like seven point five okay, yeah, not a 427 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,960 and don't walk Maybe a wait for streaming, Yeah, I wouldn't. I 428 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,200 wouldn't worry too much about seeing it. Although I saw it in an old 429 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,720 school like New York theater, so I wasn't. It wasn't like the best 430 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,720 visual setup to see that movie, I don't think. But it's funny. 431 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,680 I was laughing quite a bit until this Winton made me laugh. Jeff Goldbloom, 432 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,359 Yeah, I had the worst travel experience of my entire life coming back 433 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,519 from Summer games Fest. Is that boring? Or should I tell it? 434 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,039 No? Tell I like it? Because you are not alone. I feel 435 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,240 extremely fortunate. I had zero issues and got out of there. But I 436 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,359 saw what happened to Greg Miller, and he was on a plane for like 437 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240 six hours. Oh, that would have been a delight. I would have 438 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,400 loved that I had over twenty four hours of a thing that should have taken 439 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,799 five hours. Wow, like Atlanta, didn't you? Yeah? Yeah, 440 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,920 that yes, that was when things were going well. So I was supposed 441 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,920 I was gonna do a red Eye. I like doing red Eyes. It 442 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880 gives me the best chance. We're just having a couple of drinks and falling 443 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480 asleep on a flight. So is it nine thirty pm. I'm supposed to 444 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,720 fly from LA to New York City. I get there to the airport. 445 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:11,519 As soon as I get there, I get a thing, says Oh, 446 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,480 it's been delayed to six am. From nine thirty pm to six am. 447 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:22,480 Oh, no hotel. And that's the thing. Everyone's trying to get to 448 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,400 a hotel and get it comped. And that's an option. Except I had 449 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,480 something I had to do in Connecticut, extremely important the next day that I 450 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,759 had a person for that was gonna fuself up if I wasn't. Yeah, 451 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,759 So I am talking to every agent I can. I'm like, I need 452 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,240 to get on a fucking I can't fly out at six am. I'm gonna 453 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:38,720 miss this thing tomorrow. And so they're like, okay, we got you 454 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440 on first stand by for this ten thirty flight. You're gonna be the first 455 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,240 person on at least one person is not going to show up. Gonna be 456 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,039 fine, You're good to go. Great, get to the gate at ten 457 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,519 thirty, sitting there with my ticket. Sounds like they're the guys counting. 458 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,519 It's like, yeah, there's definitely gonna an open seat. Then some business 459 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,200 d bag guy comes up, This guy in a suit starts talking about, 460 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,880 hey, you waiting two you on standby and I was like yeah yeah, 461 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,279 and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah. I got bumped to the 462 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,920 front because you know, I bought a three thousand dollars seat and they were 463 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,359 gonna downgrade me, and I said, I'm not gonna go downgrade. I 464 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880 bought this three thousand dollars seat, so they gave me a front of the 465 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,200 line standby. So I don't know how the fuck this happened, but this 466 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,599 guy jumped me in line and there was one seat available, so d bag 467 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,359 and he like talked to you about it, like it was like a really 468 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,839 cool, Yeah, yeah, it was ragging to me about it. But 469 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,599 I was gonna say he he knew that it was your potential seat he took 470 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,400 and he was imagine like a full on like like like he's like a Kendall 471 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,799 Roy type. You could just sense it off. And he's bragging me about 472 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,880 how much he spent and he was literally, yeah, I'm gonna jump your 473 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,519 seat. I'm gonna get you. I'm getting there beforehand, like he thought. 474 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,400 He was being like jokey with me, and I'm sitting here like I'm 475 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,759 gonna kill this guy. Yeah, you never heard of a ritual killing. 476 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,319 Yeah, so there's one seat. He gets it, so I'm fucked. 477 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,200 I don't get to go on that one. And so I go back to 478 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:53,680 the line and I'm waiting and a lot of people are having trouble. So 479 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,559 it's a long line, and they're like, okay, okay, okay, 480 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,720 we got you confirmed. You're gonna be on this flight. It takes off. 481 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,960 I think it was like eleven twenty or eleven or something like that, 482 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,519 and the same flight or this is a new flight, the next flight, 483 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,680 and so like, we have you confirmed, here is a seat you this 484 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,599 is not a standby ticket. You're good to go. I was like, 485 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,200 thank God, thank you so much. I was like very effusive with my 486 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,960 praiser. I was like, thank you, somebody really helped me out here. 487 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,759 Thank you. And I go to get in line real quick, because 488 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,200 it was pretty quick after that, and they said, oh, this flight's 489 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,200 been canceled. Oh that flight weather? Why is it? They say why? 490 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,799 I don't remember. If I don't remember, why, Oh wait Tuesday, 491 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,039 Yeah we had we had some thunderstorms around here that that week or those 492 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,440 days. Yeah, I don't know if that was it or what, but 493 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,079 it got canceled. And now that entire flight is going in line because they're 494 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,440 trying to get a hotel comp for the night because they're trying to sleep and 495 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:45,799 take off. Is there on a morning flight? Now? Yeah, I 496 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,680 can't do that. So I wait in this fucking long line and they're like, 497 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,960 all right, we've got you confirmed. You're on this midnight flight. 498 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,799 You're good for midnight. Good to go. Thank you so much, Thank 499 00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:59,680 you, Oh my god, that's amazing. Leave get a message on my 500 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,799 phone. Five minutes later, this has been delayed to two am. Okay, 501 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,359 as long as I have a confirmed long as I have a confirmed seat, 502 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,840 this is great. And at this point I've been drinking for a little 503 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,039 bit at the airport bars and stuff, just trying to pass the time and 504 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,360 stuff, and then they gets delayed to two am. The bar is closed, 505 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960 so I'm sitting here just just that's the buzz is wearing off. I'm 506 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,599 getting pissed off. I'm waiting for two am. You're tired, Yeah, 507 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,239 I'm so fucking exhausted. All I want to do is get on this long 508 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,000 ass flight home gets so by the way, this flight is going to Atlanta, 509 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,000 and then I have to figure out what's next once I get to Atlanta. 510 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,559 So it's not great. You haven't even solved part two. No, 511 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,960 So at this point I'm doing a thing I never fucking do, which I 512 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,239 never I'm never the person on Twitter that's like, hey, at Delta, 513 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,920 this fucking sucks, But this fucking suck, and I like desperately need to 514 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,840 get home. And I tweeted a few times like, Hey, this sucks, 515 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,159 this is what's happened, how can we make this right? What can 516 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,320 we do or whatever? And I felt like an a hole for doing that, 517 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,280 so I deleted those and then so two o'clock rolls by. No one's 518 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,880 helping anything. I'm trying to call them. I'm trying to email them. 519 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,199 I'm trying to the wi fi the airport doesn't work, so I'm trying to 520 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,360 see if Delta will let into the fucking their flight lounge club so i can 521 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,519 just use their WiFi. And they say no, you have to have a 522 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,039 super credit card or something. That's great, awesome, I'll sign up for 523 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:08,719 the card right now if you let They were they were about to pick me 524 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,199 on it. I literally just walked out. I'm fucking whatever. Um So 525 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,480 two am gets there. Oh, the flight's been delayed to two forty five 526 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,000 am. Awesome. Two forty five shows up. I see people getting off 527 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,239 the plane. Oh my god, we got a plane here. We're good 528 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,199 to go. I line up zone ones. Boarding people are entering a plane. 529 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,679 This is awesome. I am like five people away from scanning my fucking 530 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,719 boarding pass and they say, um, attention to everyone. A gate A 531 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,280 thirty going to Atlanta. Our scanner has broke, and our boarding pass scanner 532 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:43,079 and federal regulations say that we have to have the scanner working, so this 533 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,960 will be a little bit and oh my god. At this point, I'm 534 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,239 just exhausted. I just like go up to a wall and collapse sitting against 535 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,360 the wall, and then like ninety construction workers come out with all these cones 536 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,480 and they start yelling at me for sitting against the wall, and I'm just 537 00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,920 like, but my brain's not fucking working at this point. So yeah, 538 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,679 three something, I get on a fly, I flies to Atlanta, and 539 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,599 then I have to fucking work with support to get a connecting flight back to 540 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,679 New York. And it was just, um, it was literally over twenty 541 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000 four hours. I wound up doing all this shit and that sounds awful, 542 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:16,039 dan fucking terrible. Oh my god, I wanted to play Zelda. I 543 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,360 had my fucking switch with me, but at this point I was just so 544 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,000 I was too exhausted to like, I couldn't sleep right, but I also 545 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:27,280 did my brain wasn't working enough to like fucking play Zelda, So I just 546 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,119 was into this fugue state for Oh my god, you're tired, You're you're 547 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:37,239 tired, and you're like bitter and you're frustrated, and it's awful. It's 548 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,400 just an awful experience. Yeah. I got automatically upgraded to business class on 549 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,559 my way home. I paid three thousand dollars. I came up in this 550 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:50,840 suit, and I fucking talked to this Trump whose seat I took. I 551 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,800 say three, I fucking rubbed it and I took a selfie with him right 552 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,599 as I was leaving fucking Kettle Strong. Hey, hey, bro, you 553 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:01,840 you go fucking nuclear. I just saw a seat. Bro, you're gonna 554 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,199 take that, Bro, Bro, I just took the seat. Bro, 555 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,760 fucking getty up, get on the horse. You know what I mean? 556 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,440 Damn it. It's just I don't I don't get angry often, like I 557 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,239 really you guys can't test. I'm not very sounds like they broke you. 558 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,320 But I was serious. Yeah, I was angry, and then I was 559 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,599 just broken. I was just like, I'm never gonna get home. I'm 560 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,800 never gonna get out. If I had seen you do the tweet thing, 561 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,960 I would have known you were not yourself. Yeah, oh and probably text 562 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,760 you. But I didn't see that on Twitter. Enough happened before. No, 563 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,519 It's like, yeah, we've talked about that on the on the show 564 00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,119 before the tweet thing. But again, like I would have been like, 565 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,480 oh shit, Dan's out of sorts right now. There are some people that 566 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:43,480 do it like all the time, like Chris Jericho, the wrestler is notorious 567 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,760 for like that at Marriott, Well, why didn't you kick me out of 568 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,039 your hotel? I was being fine. It's like, okay, when you 569 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,440 do that three times a week, you're probably not being fine. And the 570 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,159 people in the games in the straight argument, there's people in the games industry 571 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,239 who will tweet like, hey, I was in I was in a window 572 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,840 seat and you put me in an aisle seat to allow for this for like 573 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,679 this person to get close to the door when they have I was like, 574 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,880 why are you doing this? Yeah, yeah, that's how you were doing 575 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,800 things like that. Yeah. Yeah, but like this, I was like 576 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,119 literally at wits end. I like no customer support was working. I was 577 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,400 trying everything, and like I had to fucking get home. And I'm not 578 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,519 saying the reason, but it was a very important thing. I had to 579 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:23,719 be home for that. Yeah. And Amanda goes down south for work to 580 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,880 Savannah fairly often. She was flying back up the Wednesday after all this happened, 581 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,920 I think, and there were thunderstorms going on New York and they finally 582 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,639 cleared her plane, which she was nervous about because fucking turbulence on those East 583 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:43,199 Coast flights sucks in my experience going between Seattle, La San Francisco. Yeah, 584 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,880 turbulence towards LA can get a bit wobbly, but East coast. Every 585 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,559 time I'm going up and down the East Coast, it's awful. And Amanda 586 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:58,079 witnessed a flight attendant go airborne during turbulence and went so high that also went 587 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,159 like backwards a bit, you know, when you're like when you're on a 588 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,360 moving thing and jump up. She's like, I saw the flight attendant like 589 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,679 actually go up and back, and then the captains and the co pilot the 590 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,519 pilot was like, hey, emergency check in with the flight attendant, and 591 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,920 it was fine. They were all laughing afterward. But She's like, I 592 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,159 saw this person go airborne, and then I heard the pilots get on the 593 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,559 PA to say, hey, emergency check in. How are you doing? 594 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,199 I would I would have At that point, I'm like, give me snatch 595 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,000 someone's ambient and just put myself out for a day. Stop me. If 596 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,119 I told have I told a couple of short stories about had next girlfriend who's 597 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,199 a flight attendant, about her weird stories working. If I said, yeah, 598 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,440 okay, Frank, remind me like some of them was about a guy 599 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,320 who had a scab on his leg. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 600 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,239 okay, and the other one who was about a little girl watching something 601 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,039 on a laptop. That's very from the scab one ring. I remember that. 602 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960 I don't want to hear about scabs. But telling me about the girl 603 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,559 the scab one we've definitely talked about. She watched like Last Tango in Paris, 604 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,320 and she was, oh, she was so act was like pushing the 605 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,320 car watching the color blue or blue is the warmest color. I don't know, 606 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:14,599 somebody do something just watching she's just watching the sex scene with Halle Berry 607 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:20,280 and Billy Billy sob starting from Monsters Fall. Yeah, daddy, you're wrong 608 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,599 with all these guesses. Okay, sorry, Okay, go ahead. She's 609 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:28,960 just know the drink cart down the aisle and the little girl eight or nine 610 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,000 year old girl that's just like headphones on, just watching something, the sweet 611 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,039 little girl watching something on a laptop. And as she's passing by, she 612 00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,679 turned and the girl is just watching footage of the towers falling on nine to 613 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,519 eleven. Oh my god, oh my god. That's infinitely worse than all 614 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,320 of the things I was guessing. Watching footage of like the plane's crashing and 615 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,760 the towers falling like nothing says, you can't do that, but that's weird. 616 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,360 She wasn't when was this, you know, probably would have been like 617 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,159 twenty eleven, twenty twelve, So ostensibly this girl could have not even been 618 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,840 born or could have been born the year it happened. Yeah, and maybe 619 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,039 it's like, oh, I'm flying, let's see my birthday. I really 620 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,360 wanted to see fun. Let's up. But yeah, let's look up a 621 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,199 list like top or worst ten airplane crashes of all time, and yeah, 622 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,559 are top of the list. What were her parents doing? Don't I'm not 623 00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:23,239 a parent. I don't want to pass judgment, but don't let her watch 624 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,519 that? Say, why do we click the X button on that? I 625 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,360 know the Bible says judge not less you be judged, but you should probably 626 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,960 not let your daughter watch nine to eleven videos on a plane when she's nine 627 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,000 or ten. Let me watch Paw Patrol or whatever the kids watch. Yeah, 628 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,199 that's harmless. Watch car crashes for All Destruction, Derby, Yeah, 629 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:46,239 the Twisted Metal TV show. Everyone's talking about anything else besides when she was 630 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:52,719 watching like literally the worst cream pie porn. That's fine, just not nine 631 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,519 to eleven videos that on a plane. Yeah, you'll definitely be asked to 632 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:04,840 dissembek the nearest they hand you a pairport. Yeah. Yeah, um, 633 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:10,400 do you want to talk about video games? Sure? 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What what games are you guys been playing? 658 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,000 Dan, You were saying you have not had son of time. You 659 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,639 couldn't even play Zelda at the airport. No, just the last few days 660 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,199 or when I've got my switch with me and I've been able to play Zeld 661 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,400 again. I put in a bunch of hours in the last couple of days 662 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,639 and I had to take a bit of a break, and I'm glad that 663 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,320 like the magic is back. I discovered just a bunch of new threads that 664 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,599 I want to follow where it's like, oh, this seems like this huge, 665 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,360 Like there's the side adventures, not just the side quest, and like 666 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,800 I opened up some side adventures where it's like, oh fuck, okay, 667 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,599 right, this game is like maybe one of the best games of all time, 668 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,280 and I'm fully back in. But obviously a lot of moving parts going 669 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,800 on right now with travel and other stuff. So that's pretty much it. 670 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,440 I want to play Diablo. I know you guys have been playing it. 671 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:34,320 My big plan is once I'm settled in a way that I want to play 672 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,079 some co op with Bonk. Have you guys done any local co op like 673 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,679 on the same TV? Yes? I have. How's that it's great playing 674 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,320 with a friend. I think as a buddy with Diablo is the way to 675 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,559 play it. I think not doing that as a disservice to what this game 676 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,800 allows you to do, which is play in an area with someone as two 677 00:44:53,960 --> 00:45:00,440 different character builds that complement each other so that you can go in guns blazing. 678 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,079 I'm Rogue, which is very classic. I tend to like that character 679 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,000 build so that I can I like to be very zip zappy, which is 680 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:14,039 my word for having lots of dashes and invisibility. I have a really fun 681 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:20,079 upgrade for my weapon which allows me to do traps and jump backwards simultaneously. 682 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,440 So extremely floaty. Love this character. It's extremely fun to be a rogue 683 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,960 builds in Diablo four and you can either choose blades or a you know, 684 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:39,079 just a regular bow arrow crossbow. And doing that with a tank is clutch. 685 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:44,400 Because I'm flighty and floaty, I can't take a lot of damage with 686 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:45,840 my build. That's why I'm allowed to go invisible, so and get the 687 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,440 fuck out. Mixing that with a tank who can absorb damage while I'm setting 688 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:58,880 traps and poisoning people and stabbing them in the back extraordinarily fun and such a 689 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,719 delight. I don't know if I would have as much fun. I know, 690 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,159 actually I do know that I would not have as much fun if I 691 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,360 was by myself. It is super fun to go in with another person who 692 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:14,199 has specifically chosen to build that compliments mine so that we can absolutely fucking wreck 693 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:19,679 in that game and it gives you the D two vibes again. Or you're 694 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,159 just like killing hoards and hoards of zombies and well, I don't know if 695 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,400 there's zombies, you know what I mean, they're undead, really fucked up 696 00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:32,079 horror things happening in these side stories. Yeah, oh it's something trying too 697 00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:36,760 hard, But it's still definitely feels like a reaction to the cartoonishness of D 698 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:43,519 three. That is it is so awesome is file The Blood of the Willing 699 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,320 is like a common theme that happens throughout that game, but you do get 700 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,800 a little numb to it, Like I remember, I think like in the 701 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,239 first acts, you you meet a girl, you meet a woman who's like, 702 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920 I'm looking for my daughter, and me and me and my my co 703 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:00,639 player at the same time looked each other. They're like, she's dead and 704 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,079 she doesn't even know it. She's not just dead, she's also skinned alive. 705 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,000 As is often the case in this game, they get real. That's 706 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,320 just the way it be. Sometimes, like you know, I'm Jolo, 707 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:19,840 Sometimes sometimes you get skinned alive. I have become very aware that in that 708 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,960 game, if someone's like I'm looking for the most important person of my life, 709 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:27,320 I'm like a pitch, I got bad news for you. They're dead. 710 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,960 Not only are they dead, but they're going to become the boss and 711 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,960 I'm going to kill them in front of you, and then we're going to 712 00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:36,360 eat their soul. That's it. That's just the way that game is. 713 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:42,320 Are you finding it challenging, Mary, because I'm playing solo and I'm pretty 714 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,360 varienced and I'm getting my ass kicked, not ass kicked. I'm I'm fine, 715 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:51,880 difficult on the one above normal, hard, whatever, yeah, whatever, 716 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:58,960 the one up is that different? Yes, I believe right, Yeah, 717 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:04,519 I think they're separate. I'm unhearted. I think Uh, I wouldn't 718 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,159 say I'm breezing through it. I'm finding some challenge. I actually had a 719 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:08,800 boss fight we had to redo six times, which I think, Yeah, 720 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:12,760 that's what I guess. That's what I mean because I'm playing solo as a 721 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,639 Druid, and Druid has taken some time to really build up. Yeah, 722 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,719 and there's been certain bosses i've because it's an open world more MMOs album, 723 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,840 Like, I'm can't beat this boss right now based on the skills I have 724 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,480 because maybe it's just like the recharge time, and also I still only have 725 00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,719 the four potions when that you get when you're level ten, etc. I'm 726 00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,400 it's challenging me for sure. So my partner, who is a druid as 727 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,280 well, basically does a shit ton of damage in the first three seconds, 728 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,440 and then all their skills need to re up, and so basically for ten 729 00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,400 seconds you can't do shit. That might be a druid build thing. I 730 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,280 think it's based on the guides that Polygon has done. They take a bit 731 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,360 to get going, which is why I guess they're tougher build, but later 732 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,000 on they get more I think that's an interesting argument though, for why having 733 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,880 a secondary is so valuable, because my skills all take time and are more 734 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,440 lengthy. So for example, all of my traps they slow and poison over 735 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,960 time, which gives us damage while the ten seconds are going, so that 736 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,920 you know the other person can build. So having two people or more, 737 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,480 it's just a really nice dynamic to have that because you can have different types 738 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,480 of skills over time. I find that unfortunate, but yeah, I would 739 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,039 say that is like a very natural build for you. I've been breezing through 740 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,599 it except for that one boss, and I unfortunately can't remember the name of 741 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,000 the boss, but it was like I would say, we're probably like I 742 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,639 don't know, nine hours in and it's really fun. It's just like there's 743 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:55,400 certain types of bosses where if they freeze you and I can't move, and 744 00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,079 I'm a flighty person, I'm fucked. As soon as I'm fro I'm probably 745 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,039 going to get demolished because I'm too floaty and I just don't have the health 746 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,480 to be able to survive. So if I get trapped, I'm in deep 747 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,159 shit. But other than that, I'm pretty good. Mary, you were 748 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,000 talking about the importance of like having classes that compliment each other. I'm curious 749 00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,559 because, like I we did a stream on Giant Bomb where you know, 750 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,480 I put a couple hours into like a wizard like lightning Magician Guy. I 751 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,840 forget the official name of the class. Is it Sorcerer. Yeah, so 752 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,239 I think I'm a sorcerer with like lightning powers mainly. And Bonk has already 753 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,920 said, like she called necromancer. She's super wants to be a necromancer. 754 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,079 So fun would they do go together? Or are they too? Are they 755 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:43,000 weak? What's yours again, Magician Guy? I mean, you guys are 756 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,079 both magic based, um, but I would say there's a lot of options 757 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:52,599 and range, especially in necromancy, So I think you'll be fine because necromancy 758 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,679 can raise hordes of the dead. What I would suggest for your build is 759 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,199 to have because she's going to probably do high DPS, and she'll have AoE 760 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,960 because she's having hoards of people, which means you should have a singular attack, 761 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:13,119 so lightning attacks and stuff like that. Yeah, bold to kind of 762 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,679 like dash between people. Yeah, okay, I just think of that. 763 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,679 And most most of these builds, it's not which characters you pick, it's 764 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,679 the skills specifically to ensure that they're complementing. If someone's doing AoE, you 765 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,840 should do like a very specific type of damage. If someone is flighty, 766 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,519 be someone who can soak damage, right, and I think you can both 767 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,400 do that. I think she can soak damage because if she has hoards of 768 00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,440 people that she can raise, they can take the damage on your guys's behalf. 769 00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:44,559 So she can be a tank maybe in that capacity. And I historically 770 00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,360 his sorcerers are not known for being tanks. So I would say, of 771 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:53,519 anything, you guys might both be might be high risk for getting killed, 772 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,800 so you're going to probably want some distance attacks. But I think you'll be 773 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,679 fine. Cool, Okay, looking forward to it. I'm excited. I 774 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:07,440 think it's a great game. It's super dark, it is oh you know, 775 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:13,559 socketing comes in right away. I think the way in which you build 776 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,639 your character is a little annoying. So you know, have you guys seen 777 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:22,039 it where it's essentially blood and each skill you do gives you enough blood that 778 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:27,880 you can get your next skill. But when you want to when you want 779 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:35,000 to respect, you can't undo your first skill because it it is the enough 780 00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,119 skill points that you needed to afford all the skills in line. And so 781 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:43,199 you basically have to like respect your whole character when you want to do your 782 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:47,119 original skill, which I find annoying, but it's made me respect more often 783 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,599 currently, Like respecting costs like what like it's like fifty bucks, it costs 784 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:57,039 you some money, who cares? And it makes me choose different paths to 785 00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,480 try different builds of my character. Do I want to use my knives and 786 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,880 be stabby? Do I want to go poison Bill? Do I want to 787 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,920 go freeze build? Do I want to you know? Like? Which all 788 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,400 do I want? So you're constantly like rearranging your moves, and I think 789 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,599 that the re encouraging me to respect is annoying. But it allows me to 790 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:20,280 try different builds of my character, which I do like I am respecting more 791 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,880 often this game. Have we talked about this far? I really don't like 792 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:30,280 respecting ever I people I hear, yes, I hear people that are like, 793 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,880 oh, I respect I want to try everything in this character. I'm 794 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,519 like, there's something anxiety inducing about that, where it's like I feel like 795 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,920 I've put all this time and effort in learning into getting this skill set down 796 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,639 pat and also to reset and then learn six new skills all at once just 797 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,199 overwhelms me a bit, like in role playing games. And I mean, 798 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,280 I know this is an action RPG, but in role playing games as well. 799 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,760 I'm like, nope, I'm I've committed to this character. I don't 800 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,400 care. I'll make this pathwork somehow. There's something about respecting that I just 801 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:07,159 never do it. If you could respect in real life, would you now? 802 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,159 I'm happy with what I am Mary, There's like a there's like a 803 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,079 mindset for that. It's like a cognitive dissonance where you're essentially like, nothing 804 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:21,239 is wrong with my life. Everything is exactly the way that I planned it 805 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,800 and mapped it, and no, I wouldn't change anything, but it's like, 806 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:25,960 really, if you could, you'd probably be like, ah, I'll 807 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,960 change a couple things, all right. I don't want anything to change. 808 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:35,679 I would put more points into like just general health and fitness stuff when I 809 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,239 was like eighteen and could like, you know, get a head start on 810 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,360 it and be like, hey, it's gonna suck later if you don't get 811 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,519 ahead start on this stuff. But then I don't know, like I don't 812 00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:45,760 want to take points away, like from anything. And that's the thing you 813 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,400 don't get you there's finite points. You can't be amazing at everything. I 814 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,440 feel like early on, yeah, we went, we went heavy into being 815 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,880 entertainers and you know, being able to have a good time at potties. 816 00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:05,079 And now it's like what else do I got? You know, because I 817 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,360 don't think I could respect and be a scientist at this point. No, 818 00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:09,880 I don't think I could be like in the NBA or anything. Now, 819 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,760 well, if you're respecting, you could be if I respect now well no, 820 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,199 no, I'm still forty No, not in the NBA. Yeah, 821 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:27,639 he took forty years worth. Yeah, I guess would it reset? I 822 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,480 ain't gonna get in respect. I'm not suddenly like ripped and taller, right, 823 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:35,960 I Do's not how respecting works, yeah, because you'd be putting all 824 00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:40,960 of your like entertainment skills into physic like physique and like strength and like jumping. 825 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,119 Yeah yeah, okay, so I guess you could. But that's but 826 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:46,280 I don't want to be in the NBA. I want to play video games 827 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,239 and get paid for it. So you probably don't. No one's making you 828 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,039 respect, So maybe I don't respect. I just wish I liked did smart 829 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:55,840 push ups when I was eighteen. Yeah, you could take of maybe you 830 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,960 could take a few points out of I don't know what you would want to 831 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,679 take points out of and put them into. Yeah, so you're fine, 832 00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,239 but I wish I was healthier. But our points in like what you are 833 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,639 born with, whereas do is just go back as if you're like one of 834 00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,159 the three ghosts that are visiting at night and being like, do some crunches. 835 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,159 That's all you needed to do. We could be babies. If we 836 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,320 could be babies again, I'm absolutely respecting. If you two can be babies 837 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,159 again, of making your respect. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't 838 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,320 know that it was at a baby. Like if we go through all that 839 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,039 again, I kind of hated everything until I was like twenty okay, oh 840 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,159 okay, okay, here's here's the would you rather? Okay, not really 841 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,960 would you rather? It's more of a would you do X? If you 842 00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:45,400 could erase all your points and also got let's say, like thirty extra points 843 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:51,599 right now. To respect, however, you have to consciously be a baby 844 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,719 an infant, Like you have to be cognizant of what's going on. You're 845 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,239 gonna remember it. Oh so we have our current brains in a baby in 846 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,880 nineteen eighty four. Maybe not current brains, but like we've all forgotten what 847 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,159 it's like to be a baby. You're not forgetting this ship Like you're you're 848 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,000 oh, so, I know I'm shitting my pants. You know you're shitting 849 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,320 your pants. You know everything that's going on. You know how extremely uncomfortable 850 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,800 it is to be a newborn. But I'm like, I'm in a fucking 851 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,360 womb that sucks. No, no, no, no, no. Once 852 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,639 you're once you're out, you're cognizant. I mean, I guess babies technically 853 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:23,800 are cognizant, but like it's so rudimentary, you're not gonna remember it. 854 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,679 You're gonna remember this when you deal with the twenty year old Paul Reyger trying 855 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,000 to figure out how to raise me. Yes, but I want to be 856 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:35,199 conscious of that at all. You have thirty extra points to put into whatever 857 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,320 area you want. You could like put it into I don't know, financial 858 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:45,639 or like so athletic. I can have all the all the health benefits of 859 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,440 Like I could put those points into the health stuff I want, uh, 860 00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,519 and also just live the exact same life, like keep everything else the same 861 00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:55,639 and like you have memories of being breastfed by your mom, but you'll be 862 00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,119 but you'll be We would be doing this podcast, but you'd be fucking stacked. 863 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,239 I don't know if I got breastfit, I probably had mountain dew. 864 00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:10,000 I did enough the mountain dew in your bottle, although sometimes I wonder most 865 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:16,480 moms had memory glands. Your mom had PEPSI glands. Young brand's breasts. 866 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:28,000 Our mommy's got diet doctor pepper today. That's fuck. I don't think I 867 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,199 want to do that. There's too many fucked up things I don't want to, 868 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,559 like knowingly shit my pants. Oh did I say you guys junior high? 869 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,800 Awkward, and like I don't want any of that ship. Oh yeah, 870 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,679 I would. I don't want to relive most of childhood. I didn't 871 00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,440 have a bad childhood per se, but like fucking middle school, fuck that 872 00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:52,519 I hated. I hated middle school. I hated high school. If I'd 873 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,039 be fine with doing this deal twenty one, I just all of a sudden 874 00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,639 appear on Dave clapp shoulders again on my twenty first birthday. What fuck? 875 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,039 Oh my god, I put all my points into my penis size. It's 876 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:14,039 your fucking hospital bedroomen And you're like, but my dick is so big, 877 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,920 and every time you get a heart on, you pass out because it takes 878 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,559 all the blood away from all of your beings. They have to like do 879 00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:27,199 blood transfusions with you. Every moment you know it's got a hard on because 880 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,679 his face goes white. I took all all the blood. I took all 881 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:32,760 my points out of sphincter control and put him into Boner's size. So I'm 882 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:40,800 just sitting stupid as fucks. Who's that guy with a tripod and the brown 883 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:49,079 spot in his butt? You can't. You don't know your own name. 884 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,519 Die, I die at your later. Okay, you're just explaining it takes 885 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,840 two caskets to bury me. He died doing what he loved, getting a 886 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:04,360 herd on him shitting his pants. I need like a Nicolas cage pyramid mausoleum 887 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,320 to house my penis. You're laying in the bottom and then just the pants 888 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:15,320 tent going up. It's a it's a hollow mausoleum is actually in it. 889 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,239 Imagine if Rigor Mortis said in when I had a boner and it's just there 890 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:27,119 forever and your caskets, they could you bury him the dirt face down, 891 01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,199 so it just goes another six feet down to the dirt. And then at 892 01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,519 the morgue they can't open the drawer because I'm just like, it's like a 893 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,000 steak. He used to keep a tent in the grounds. Yeah, he's 894 01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:43,440 not going anywhere. God, what else have I been playing? Um? 895 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,079 I've I've also been playing a game called Killer Frequency, and I'd love to 896 01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:57,440 describe the plot to you. Please do Okay that sounded extremely sarcastic and machi. 897 01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,880 I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. I'm still thinking about my here. 898 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,760 It can take time to process that. Sorry, Yes, explain the 899 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:15,679 plot. You're a radio DJ and you are at a new town it's a 900 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,920 small town and you don't think it's that cool, but you need the job. 901 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,360 And so you're DJing for the night and you get a call from nine 902 01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:30,280 one one and they're like, listen, we are so busy and we are 903 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:37,679 overrun and we have to leave because we're having issues. We can't take nine 904 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,719 one one calls tonight. We're going to redirect all nine one one calls to 905 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,679 your radio show so that you can help people in their time of need. 906 01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:50,599 Unfortunately, you can't send the police out, but maybe you can help some 907 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,599 people. Sorry about it, buy and they hang up and you're live on 908 01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:57,760 air and you got a little radio lady who's with you and she's like that 909 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,440 was crazy, and you're like, I know, right. And then people 910 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,519 start calling in and they're like, there is a fucking killer outside of my 911 01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:08,960 house and he's trying to get in. What do I do? And then 912 01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:15,440 you make decisions and tell them what to do, and based on what you 913 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,480 tell them, they either live or they die. Live setup. It's got 914 01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:27,480 a jazz punk looking vibe. It's like cell shaded seventies, isn't it. 915 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,440 Yeah? I like look to it and then um, let me give you 916 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:31,840 more. So I'm telling you all the good stuff now and then I'll tell 917 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,679 you my problems when I played it. But like other other cool stuff, 918 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,039 just like a DJ, you have all these buttons, like you know that 919 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,440 are like dingle in the baby and like you know it's killer or not in 920 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:52,239 the killer frequency, that's right. And so like someone will be calling and 921 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:58,000 they'll be like, I'm hiding in the closet and you're just like where wait 922 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,199 wait, wait wait wait, and you're like using your sound effects to funk 923 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,480 with them. You actually pick up what are they called, Oh my god, 924 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:14,880 it's too music album discs. You pick up records and you put them 925 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,880 on. I solved it, and you put them on and you play them 926 01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,840 yourself, and you can play them while people are calling you and why they 927 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,920 need you, and like when they're like crying and upset and stuff and you're 928 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,239 like playing music and like you know, doing it. It's it's a crazy 929 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,199 setup that you're able to do all these things and then they actually give you 930 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:37,639 puzzles. There's live maps of the town to your right, and there's like 931 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,360 some some people call and they're like there's a fire and it's right here. 932 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,480 We need the closest person that can come help us put it out. Jacob 933 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:53,719 is between sixth Street and twelfth Street. Lonnie is right by the Quickie Mart 934 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,280 and Jackie is you know, and they're like, who should who should come? 935 01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,320 And so you'll look at the map and you'll determine the closest person to 936 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,840 the fire. If you pick the wrong person, the building burns down and 937 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,440 everyone dies. If you pick the right person, then everyone gets saved. 938 01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:11,599 It's like puzzle e like that. It seems irresponsible adventure game, Like, 939 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,800 wait, what genre would you does it fit into a neat genre? I 940 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,840 don't know what the funk I would call this? Uh, it's rr puzzle 941 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,159 adventure. It's not really scary because I don't think you're ever in danger and 942 01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,840 you have to like there's almost like a level of separation because I can make 943 01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,599 there's a laugh. You know, there's a laugh track button, so like 944 01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:31,840 every time someone's like I'm gonna die, I'd like hit the laugh track button 945 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:38,400 and then I laugh. I never was scared playing this. There is murder 946 01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,280 in it, so I guess it's scary, but not to me. M 947 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:45,480 And then there's there's the puzzle element because you're solving in your head what you 948 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:51,840 should do in any person's situation when they're in danger. Um, I guess 949 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:57,920 it's Indie puzzle and it's first person. Yeah, the puzzle light elements that 950 01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:03,440 have narrative dire conse quenses out of these mundane puzzle tasks kind of reminds you 951 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:08,639 of like papers please or something like that. Okay, it has I think 952 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,840 one of the coolest concepts, like one of the strongest concepts of the game 953 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,679 I've ever heard. Now here's the caveat now that I've hyped it up, 954 01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:23,719 because I actually think I sold it pretty well in that first half in execution, 955 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:30,800 I think they really messed up the dynamic between me and my co person, 956 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,639 you know, like your DJ normally has I don't know the lady on 957 01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:40,440 the other hand, that's like, yeah, okay, they keep fucking talking 958 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,559 about their lives and their dynamic is so uninteresting and I couldn't give a flying 959 01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:50,400 shit and you can't fast forward it. And so sometimes in between waiting for 960 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,760 someone who's getting murdered, I'm just listening to this lady talk about her life, 961 01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,000 and I'm like, I couldn't care less, like deciding the next song 962 01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:05,159 or anything. Welcome to my life. You can do it a lot, 963 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:14,719 fucking co host talk about their life. I'm kidding, sorry, just waiting 964 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,719 for someone I couldn't Yeah, I couldn't help. Like I have two of 965 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,599 them. If you ever call me needing me, I'm gonna let you die. 966 01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,920 But this is my heel turn from here on out in fire Escape. 967 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,599 I'm just fucking sick of you two. You're gonna die in the wine for 968 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,360 it. Oh god, I have a whole Mary. This is your room. 969 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:35,320 It's just made of knives. It's so weird. Did everybody get a 970 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,159 themed room like this or yeah? Ours just butterflies, Ours is jungle, 971 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,519 mine is just sharp, Mine is just point pointing metal seems to be the 972 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,119 theme. There's a bunch of mouse traps under here. Trap Did anybody else 973 01:06:51,159 --> 01:07:02,119 get a baseball bat pendulum themed room? Sorry I'm in danger? Okay, 974 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:08,519 so killer frequency. So the dynamic is not good. That you can do 975 01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:10,320 stuff. They give you a lot of stuff to do. You can you 976 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,360 can change out records the whole time. You can. Sometimes she asks you 977 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,719 to play ads. You got to find the right ad, which is nice. 978 01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:18,360 So there's like little mini puzzles like that. And then they even have 979 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:24,559 wads of paper and you can throw them into a trash basket like bat there's 980 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,599 like a basketball mini game that you can use the pastime. None of that 981 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,440 helps when someone is talking to you for five booblest minutes about their life story 982 01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:39,840 that I couldn't give a shit about, and I wish they rethought that element 983 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,360 of it. I also think, like some of the puzzles that they give 984 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,239 you, it doesn't make sense logically what they're asking you to do. If 985 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,119 there's one where there's like a house party and everyone's like, we need you 986 01:07:54,280 --> 01:08:00,280 to tell us who should do what task in order to survive the killer and 987 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,199 I have a list of what all the people at the party are good at, 988 01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:11,320 and so they'll be like someone needs to be the one that Jack's the 989 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,119 car? Should it be Jimmy, Donnie or Susie? And I'm reading like 990 01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,960 what everybody's good at? And it's just like this is such a weird puzzle. 991 01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:21,520 You guys are being murdered, like run into the woods, you know 992 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,399 what I mean, Like, it doesn't make sense that I'm like, Lannie's 993 01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,079 actually the best at stealing cars, because it says here he's been arrested three 994 01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:34,520 times is a mechanic, so you should probably he should know to go hot 995 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,439 wire the car. That's right. But they're asking me and I'm like reading, 996 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,319 I'm like reading their diary essentially to solve the puzzle. So it doesn't 997 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,279 make any sense, but it is. It's a very strong premise. I 998 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,720 think that I don't know if I can recommend the game fully because it's so 999 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,960 silly, But what I will say is is it's a really cool concept. 1000 01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:59,800 And I hope that the devs are able to use the learnings from this game 1001 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,520 apply it to their next one, because it's such an interesting, unique take 1002 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,199 on that type of game. And I love the premise. I love that 1003 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:11,840 I'm a DJ like trying to convince people to live or die, and and 1004 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,840 I had both where I saved someone and I felt really good about myself and 1005 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,640 I made a mistake with somebody else and watched like heard them get like stabbed 1006 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,119 to death, and I was like, I can't win them off, just 1007 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:27,159 like hung up, like played you know wa, and then just moved on 1008 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,880 with my life. Is this It's a crazy game. It seems like a 1009 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,600 really solid elevator pitch that didn't really like stick the landing. It's unfortunate that 1010 01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:40,159 in the execution phase of it, some stuff just probably doesn't work as well 1011 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:44,600 in a game as it sounded on paper. But I still think it's a 1012 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,800 neat concept, and I hope that they're able to apply those learnings into future 1013 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,239 games. Yeah, it's it's neat. It's an interesting way to spend several 1014 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:58,399 hours. Nice you've been playing anything else besides Diablo Killer, frequency just traditional 1015 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,119 Zelda. I spent um one hour trying to get a car rock over a 1016 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:06,359 mountain solid video. That's very funny. What do you what do you think? 1017 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:12,479 Do you think of those specific core rock puzzles they'll like transport this dude 1018 01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:16,239 over there. Sometimes I think they're fun. Things can come out of it, 1019 01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:19,359 like Mary's video of trying to like launch this corroc over a mountain. 1020 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,119 And then there are times where it's like, all right, I don't know, 1021 01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:27,039 I could put together a stupid wagon, or I could just use ultrahand 1022 01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,159 and just walk towards the smoke signal. You know. Sometimes it's just like 1023 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,119 I appreciate that, like it gives you an opportunity to be like, hey, 1024 01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,920 make some stupid ship and see what happens, and that can be fun, 1025 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,560 but sometimes it's just like I just I just want to get my cork 1026 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,039 seeds and move on. I think the best ones are like, yeah, 1027 01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:45,560 get him up this sheer cliff face to his friend, like all right, 1028 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,079 this is a puzzle. Other times like Okay, I see the green smoke. 1029 01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:53,880 I know you want me. There's fucking the monster truck parts ATV wheels 1030 01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:56,760 next to me. We'll go up this river, sure, And then by 1031 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,319 the time I get there, inevitably the game is good enough where you see 1032 01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,079 like three things on the way that you want to do afterward. But god, 1033 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,520 yeah, I got sick of those pretty pretty quickly. I feel like 1034 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,600 if not built for that type of like cargo moving the way something like desk 1035 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,760 stranding was, or it's like that was the game, and like all of 1036 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,079 the mechanics like really lint itself towards that being fun, the A to B 1037 01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:19,079 carrying a thing, whereas this is like I don't know, like Zelda really 1038 01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:23,640 shines when you are building something goofy to accomplish the goal of like I'm going 1039 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,439 to get myself here from here to there, or I'm going to get myself 1040 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,920 over all this gloom by making this weird hover bike or something. I think 1041 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,439 carrying something is not the strong suit in Tears the Kingdom, you know, 1042 01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:40,399 yeah for sure. Yeah, I think I think my favorite thing to do 1043 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,640 in Tears the kid. I don't know. I like, I like the 1044 01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:47,359 building is fun when I'm just like trying to be funny or like trying to 1045 01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:51,239 find comedy in it. But those coroc ones definitely felt like a ham fisted 1046 01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:56,439 way to encourage it. I think like you could say the same thing about 1047 01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:02,000 the guy that's asking you to keep the sighing afloat. But I think the 1048 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,680 thing is is that none of those things are required. They're not necessary. 1049 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,039 You can skip them if you don't want to do them. They're just things 1050 01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:14,279 in the world that are supposed to test your ingenuity. And see each of 1051 01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:17,359 these situations, the environment, the terrain, it's slightly different. I've had 1052 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,479 carrocs that are really close to a broken bridge and it's like, cool, 1053 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,560 you want me to like put this bridge together. I got it. And 1054 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,840 there's other ones where, like Dan was saying, there's like a huge mountain 1055 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,880 and then the corus like my friend is and I'm like, yeah, up 1056 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,479 there, yeah, of course, he is, and it's a strap him 1057 01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,319 to a rocket and figure it out. I think what's interesting about it is 1058 01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:41,680 like it's very easy in that situation for me to have just said fuck you, 1059 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,840 fuck your friend, fuck your food, I'm leaving and just totally ignore 1060 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,239 him. But I can't help the idea that maybe I could solve it, 1061 01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:55,079 and now you're two core seeds and pour into getting that bastard up there. 1062 01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,680 That's kind of the joy of it, is like the time the time fallacy 1063 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,199 of it all, which is, you know, do you want to spend 1064 01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:08,079 an hour trying to come up with a stupid idea to solve this stupid puzzle 1065 01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,920 from these two corks that you don't give a shit about. But I will. 1066 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,840 What keeps happening to me is like I will be in the middle of 1067 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,680 doing something like more directed. You know. There are times where I'm just 1068 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,319 exploring and looking for stuff to do. But there's stuff where it's like I'm 1069 01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:21,840 trying to get to that place where a shooting star fell, or I'm trying 1070 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,720 to get to this you know, specific story thing or something, and then 1071 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,359 I will see the korak and I'll see what I have to do, and 1072 01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:30,560 I'll be like, I don't want to do this now, but I don't 1073 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,039 want to just ignore it, so I'll just like place a stamp on the 1074 01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:34,800 map with the little seed icon or the leaf icon and then move on. 1075 01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:38,760 Like so, I maybe at some point, if I'm just desperate for stuff 1076 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,920 to do, I'll go try to clean those up, but I'm just kind 1077 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,279 of marking them for now. Yeah. I think that's a good that's a 1078 01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:46,960 really good system. The leaf icon is like exactly probably what you should be 1079 01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:51,680 doing with that. I have such a bad system in my map for coming 1080 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:57,159 back to things. I saw someone online I forget who it is. Sorry. 1081 01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:01,359 Someone said that they wished that you could have that map icon system for 1082 01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:06,560 Diablo four, And that's really smart because right now in Diablo sometimes you'll come 1083 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,520 across something and be like, oh, like I'll do that later, and 1084 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,760 you'll forget or whatever, and it's just like, I wish you could easily 1085 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,800 just mark that's going to be cool, but I don't want to do it 1086 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,880 right now. In other games, it's neat to be able to say I'll 1087 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,840 deal with you later. Yeah, it's probably my favorite map system in any 1088 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,359 game. Like Breadth of Wild, it was easier in Breadth of Wild because 1089 01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:30,119 I think there was just less variety, I guess, Whereas like I find 1090 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,159 myself in this where it's like, oh wait, I already used the star 1091 01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:33,359 for this, so what do I use it? It's like I'll use the 1092 01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:35,600 crystal, but I kind of forget, Like I feel like I had it 1093 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:40,159 together better in Breadth of Wild. Elvin Ring had something similar, Right, 1094 01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:43,720 couldn't you do like a skull and okay that's a boss fight? And I 1095 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,760 feel like elden Ring had a decent kind of map system that was similar. 1096 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,319 Right, anytime you have like a choose your own adventure sandbox open world, 1097 01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,640 you need the ability for me to pop a little sticker on the map to 1098 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,800 remember to do something later. Yeah, Like there's a fine line between like 1099 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,199 I don't like that Ubisoft style of just like here's a map with a bunch 1100 01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,319 of just barf on it, with a billion icons. I much prefer the 1101 01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:09,720 elden Ring Breath of Wild thing of like make your own map in your own 1102 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,319 system, but you got to make sure you give the player enough options as 1103 01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:19,199 far as like placing those things. I still get overwhelmed in Tears the Kingdom, 1104 01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:25,319 where I feel like there's so many things that I get decision itis and 1105 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:31,319 I don't know what to do. That plagues me to this day. It's 1106 01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:38,640 just so directionless. It's giving me so much power that I panic and I'm 1107 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,079 like, I don't know, I'll just you know, I'll get a new 1108 01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:45,439 horse today and that's it. And I love a little bit more. I 1109 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,880 think I just do the loose thing where it's like I want to make sure 1110 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,239 I explore a bunch and I don't want to do it. I don't want 1111 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:54,239 to do all the dungeons and then just explore. I'm trying to pace it 1112 01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:57,000 out. So it's like i'll beat a dungeon, I'll get that ability, 1113 01:15:57,039 --> 01:15:59,479 and I'll be like, all right now, I'm going to spend many many 1114 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,800 hours doing side quests, like checking things off that list. Like it does 1115 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,319 a pretty good job of like you know, side quest, side adventures, 1116 01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:06,279 all that stuff. So it's like I'm gonna do like five or six of 1117 01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:12,239 these and then I'll go back to like pushing towards a dungeon. So yeah, 1118 01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:16,760 with that much agency and that much control, I am able to punish 1119 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,840 myself. And I don't know if the game has really thought about how much 1120 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:27,520 I hate myself and how I will do something that is so boring and pointless 1121 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,239 for four hours because it allowed me to Maybe it did. Maybe maybe I'm 1122 01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:39,600 learning a lot about myself through this game. Just like Fox, You're just 1123 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,800 like gonna leave me here with all these Corerox in ridiculous situations with like such 1124 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,399 little reward, and you know I'll do it. Yeah, there's no way 1125 01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:50,279 I'm getting every core ox seed, So like I'm placing those stamps being like, 1126 01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:53,920 we'll see if I ever get back with this, but realistically probably not. 1127 01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:58,479 Probably not. Zira blank and Chip says they're a sadists and there are 1128 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,760 massa chists and you know which one you are. Do you guys want to 1129 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:09,159 do emails? Sure? Free, all right? As usually you can write 1130 01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:13,159 into Firescape past at gmail dot com with questions, comments, corrections, concerns 1131 01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,600 we actually do I did include It's not a correction, it's just the further 1132 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,159 clarification of Dan and hailing in a vacuum or lack thereof, So we can 1133 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,159 get into that. Mary first, though, I want toss to you. 1134 01:17:25,359 --> 01:17:30,319 You have something to address from last episode. Yeah, I remember us discussing 1135 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:38,760 at length about sports and esports and Dan specifically, you said that e sports 1136 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:45,199 aren't sports. Oh, and that playing a video game competitively isn't sport because 1137 01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:51,119 it's not physical. Correct that still your sports are not real sports, Yes, 1138 01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:56,399 and I don't. I would probably rather watch esports because I like video 1139 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,840 games and I don't care about real sports. But they're not athletes. I 1140 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,439 would rather watch it, though, I'll say that, God, this is 1141 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:09,159 I forgot we had this conversation last time. But yeah, I know you've 1142 01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:13,399 never been prepared for this argument. And can I can I clarify what I 1143 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,960 said? I think I I think I made my point clear. I think 1144 01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:19,359 esports or sports For the record, I think it demands a lot based on 1145 01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,479 what I know. Yes, of course their schedules are rigorous practicing. Otherwise, 1146 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,960 what I was saying is that I can more immediately relate to how impressive 1147 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,159 physical sports are. Sure I had to learn more about esports. Sure I 1148 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,760 might change my mind the future, but at this point in time, I 1149 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:38,960 stand by. I just can't imagine something happening in esports that rivals like Michael 1150 01:18:39,079 --> 01:18:43,319 Jordan's flu game during the finals. My mind could change in the future, 1151 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,199 so I'm open to it, all Right, What Michael said, I am 1152 01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:51,000 not saying like, Look, I agree rigorous training, skill, strategy, 1153 01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:55,479 tactics, all that stuff, like it demands a lot. Like I've been 1154 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,640 playing in my whole life, i am nowhere fucking near the level and any 1155 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,479 video game of a esports of a competitive gaming player, I'm not gonna say 1156 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,600 sports. I mean, we can all agree that you guys can't do any 1157 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,399 of the things that athletes can do. We all agree a gamer that's not 1158 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,600 true. I was, I was a college athlete. No, you have 1159 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,359 no abilities. And I think what I'm trying to express here is I'd love 1160 01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,319 to get a little bit more into the nitty gritty. So I've made a 1161 01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:27,800 list of oh of different types of sports and things that might be considered sports, 1162 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,279 and I'd like your take on why they are a sport or not? 1163 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,319 Okay, and then I'm going to ask you some questions that help me specify 1164 01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:40,359 what is sporty about it. I blame my father for all this, By 1165 01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:42,399 the way, is this for Are these questions for Dan or me? Because 1166 01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:45,600 I already said they're sports? I think sports are sports. They're just Dan 1167 01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:50,359 because you're more I think you're more acceptable in society. So This is like 1168 01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:56,199 a Danish show how much I've improved as a person over my father. Keep 1169 01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:59,079 in mind he doesn't think soccer is a sport, So I am much more 1170 01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:04,000 open minded here. So yeah, so open minded. Number one am football? 1171 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:11,000 All right? American football? Football? American football is a sport. 1172 01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:17,560 Yes, okay, why does he have skill? The skilled physical? You 1173 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,479 know, like a mental like It's it's absolutely yes. You have to be 1174 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:25,239 an athlete. You have to, you know, it's uh mentally like like 1175 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,520 for a quarterback and for everyone to remember all the plays and everything and run 1176 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,079 and catch the ball. It's it's of course, of course. Okay. 1177 01:20:31,079 --> 01:20:36,920 The manager of the football team, is he an athlete? Is he playing 1178 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,640 a sport? No, he's not playing a sport. He's not playing a 1179 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:47,199 sport former athletes. Maybe he's not actively like the act of managing a team 1180 01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:51,760 is not an athletic pursuit. He's in sports. But I see what you're 1181 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,479 saying, like a would we equate management to being in sports, But he's 1182 01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,359 not sports actially at that point. Yeah, but he's in sports, in 1183 01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,880 sports, but not in an athlete. Hold on, hold on, criteria 1184 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,000 wise, Mary, I see what you're doing, but you gotta stick to 1185 01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:10,840 it. Are we are you asked trying to convinced dand that esports are sports 1186 01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:16,920 or we haven't gotten there yet. An athlete, you know, like like, 1187 01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:19,880 no, if you're not play in the game, you're not doing the 1188 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,880 athletic role. What I'm trying to understand is do you need skills to be 1189 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:29,560 the manager of a football? Of course? Do you need training? Of 1190 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,479 course? Are you an athlete? Not in that role? It's not an 1191 01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:39,479 athletic role? No, all right? I think the players are the athletes. 1192 01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,000 There are a million roles around sports and teams and stadiums and stuff that 1193 01:21:44,039 --> 01:21:46,960 are not athletic in nature but are inherently tied to the sport and important to 1194 01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:49,479 the sport and the plays on the field. But that doesn't mean they're the 1195 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,159 athletes. George Costanza worked for the Yankees, but he wasn't an act Marty 1196 01:21:54,239 --> 01:22:00,159 Schottenheimer's not an athlete, you know. I wonder what we're discussing though, 1197 01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:06,239 is is it a sport or are they athletes? Yeah? Yeah, they're 1198 01:22:06,319 --> 01:22:15,520 connected, right, m let's let's continue. Okay, a person playing professional 1199 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:21,600 poker, No, it's not a sport. They're not an athlete. We're 1200 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:26,680 discussing whether or not consider poker a game, not a sport. A poker 1201 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,119 is a game, not a sport. Yes, there's nothing athletic about poker. 1202 01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:35,279 It is it skilled? Oh of course yes? Do you require training? 1203 01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:40,880 Yeah, in experience and yeah, knowledge of the game and knowledge of 1204 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,039 people and reading other people, and of course yeah, it's highly skilled, 1205 01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:49,279 of course, but not athletic. I think we're coming across the same boundary 1206 01:22:49,439 --> 01:23:00,520 in each of these. So let's try another one. Drone racing not athletic? 1207 01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:05,640 Is it a sport? Stops skipping ahead and answer the questions and the 1208 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:13,800 order in which I give them. To drone racing sport? No? No, 1209 01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,920 have you? Is it skilled? Yeah? Of course, I mean 1210 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,960 all these things are gonna be skilled. Everything's required skill, you know, 1211 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:25,560 uh huh. But you don't need to be an athlete in order to drone 1212 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:32,319 race. So it's not a sport. That's an interesting one. And I 1213 01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:34,920 can see the parallels in you know, gaming, because oh, do you 1214 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,119 see what's happening? Let's continue. Okay, wait, didn't answer, though 1215 01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:46,199 you can't know he didn't. I'm always up for being wrong. Good, 1216 01:23:46,199 --> 01:24:00,840 because it's happening. What's the next one DDR professional player. Yeah, that's 1217 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:06,680 that's getting closer to athlete. Uh huh yeah, why because that requires a 1218 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:12,880 lot of Like there's a major physical element to it. Major definition of athletics, 1219 01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:19,399 major physical element. I'm going to write that down. You're saying that 1220 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:25,479 athletics is about a major physical element. Yeah, athletics. The definition of 1221 01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:30,960 athletics are physical sports and games of any kind physical. Well, okay, 1222 01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:40,439 physical to who what do you mean? Next? Example, mech fighting. 1223 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,319 You're controlling a mech? Is it a sport? Are you inside the mech? 1224 01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:51,560 They're like robot fighting. I think, like like battle bots. Battle 1225 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:59,840 bots is not athletes. No, but there's physical elements happening, but the 1226 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:04,199 person isn't physically like the person literally controlling it. Is this the thing where 1227 01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:11,560 they're controlling actually by moving their limbs and whatnot? Are they controlling situation? 1228 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,960 Yes, because they're moving. Let me write that down in a pacific rim 1229 01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:19,840 situation. Okay, I'm looking at the dictionary definition of athletes. Okay, 1230 01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:25,840 yeah, tell me what Webster says. Okay, a person who is proficient 1231 01:25:26,199 --> 01:25:30,680 in sports and other forms of physical exercise. I think that's the key thing 1232 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:36,560 right there. Physically, the Dictionary definition of an athlete involves physical exercise. 1233 01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:42,399 Physical exercise, yea had to be able to get winded. I think, 1234 01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:46,720 yes, you need to be able to get wind which I'm sure a lot 1235 01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:53,279 of Anyway, that eliminates golf. I think golf is the one that kin 1236 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,880 comes up a lot. But that's right. There is the physical element too. 1237 01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,720 I mean there is a lot of dexterity involved, you know, like 1238 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,079 that that is physical, and there is in in gaming two you know, 1239 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:10,600 but they're not really breaking a sweat out there, are they. Yeah, 1240 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,840 but it's more physical than you people get like, well, I guess I 1241 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,680 got injured playing games, you know, Like so that that's out the window. 1242 01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:29,640 Okay, how about this one professional pool? It's a game. The 1243 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,319 definition you read out included games, said physical exercise. Again, the definition 1244 01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:41,119 of athlete a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise. 1245 01:26:42,079 --> 01:26:45,199 But then, what's the definition of sport? That's what we're discussing. 1246 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,199 Who are not discussing whether or not their athletes. We're discussing whether or not 1247 01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:51,399 their sports stand. Okay, here we go, here we go here, 1248 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:55,159 here's the definition of a sport. Oh yeah, what does Webster say, 1249 01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:58,399 a sport is why are you mocking the good name of Webster? Fucking you? 1250 01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:03,920 Hey, where the authorities here? Okay, the authorities say a sport 1251 01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:12,039 is an activity involving physical exertion and skill, in which an individual or team 1252 01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:17,239 competes against other another or others for entertainment, physical exertion and skill. I 1253 01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:23,000 think that's the key. All right, let's talk about But then what golf 1254 01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:27,640 physical exertion is? Yeah, like, what what does that mean? I 1255 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,079 guess that's a Windo interpretation and golf I can see, like, yes, 1256 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,439 yeah, you're not. I'm just saying I'm playing out that This whole argument 1257 01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:39,079 has played out before within the world of professional sports, professional traditional professional sports. 1258 01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:42,359 Well that's the thing. It's like I've heard people cheerleaders not sport. 1259 01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:44,800 Cheerleader should mean the Olympics. I'm not that guy. No, that's a 1260 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,600 fucking sport. They are athletes a thousand percent. It's yeah, golf, 1261 01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:51,640 golf is I mean, I think they're athletes. I think there is there's 1262 01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:56,840 a serious physical one to drive down a fairway two hundred and fifty yards or 1263 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,800 whatever. That takes a good amount of just I mean, aiming is not 1264 01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:01,920 a strength thing, but like you know, just to get it down there. 1265 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,159 Yeah, sorry, Mary, do you have more? Of course I 1266 01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:25,479 do all right. Shooting range competition, it requires physical exertion to be able 1267 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:30,760 to hold the weapon properly and stabilize it in order to hit the bull's eye. 1268 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,720 That's a borderline one to me, Well, what is it requires a 1269 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,560 lot of skill? I would throw that more in like the esports category, 1270 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:46,720 shooting is esports? Are you saying that there's multiple categories? There's the borderline, 1271 01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:54,239 there's the ippy ones. I don't know if I'm any closer to getting 1272 01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:59,920 anywhere with you. I think you're making the point that they're that the definition 1273 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,560 of a sport can be very vast. Says physical exercise. A jockey on 1274 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:13,600 a horse raced the horse. He's riding the horse. The horse is an 1275 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,479 athlete. Oh it takes okay, this actually, like it takes quite a 1276 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,399 bit of effort and stamina to stay on a horse for that kind of I 1277 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,560 believe that. Yeah, that's yeah, there's a real physical component there. 1278 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,359 Yes, So would you say that your opinion can be swayed based on having 1279 01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,439 more information that you didn't have previously? Sport? That's that's The way to 1280 01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,000 live your life is to be open to like having your opinions, but then 1281 01:29:34,039 --> 01:29:38,520 in the face of evidence and contrary opinions that you're willing to change. Yes. 1282 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:46,159 Absolutely, jockey's requires so much physical exertion to be able to do their 1283 01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:51,800 jobs their athletes, and it's a sport. Yes, So Mary do you 1284 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,600 have I'm assuming you have more. But I think the thing that would capture 1285 01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:01,079 it is do you think Dan would you you answer yes or no? Do 1286 01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:08,159 you think the golf is a sport? Yes? What separates golf from being 1287 01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:15,159 a professional Overwatch player the amount of the physical nature of having to like drive 1288 01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:18,159 a ball down a fairway. If it was just dexterity and just aiming, 1289 01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:20,399 like, yes, you can make the argument that that's the same as professional 1290 01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,239 Overwatch league or whatever, but it's the fact that, like you do have 1291 01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:30,479 to have your body. There's more required of your body in golf, and 1292 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,720 I think there's enough of it to push that over the line. Whereas esports 1293 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:39,359 there's not a lot required of the physical body. I think there's a lot 1294 01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:44,960 required, it's just very specifically in the hand and in the eye coordination elements, 1295 01:30:45,079 --> 01:30:47,119 as opposed to like, here's another one. Then this is why these 1296 01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:50,720 these are important. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to interrupt them. 1297 01:30:50,880 --> 01:31:01,319 Trying some throwing a professional dart player, Uh, i'd put that more 1298 01:31:01,359 --> 01:31:06,119 in the game. Ked that offends me as a darts enthusiast. It's an 1299 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:13,880 aiming thing, but it's not really golf. It's the same things a very 1300 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:18,079 specific professional. Oh yeah, you can be like a fat guy and be 1301 01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:29,359 good at golf. I know. Shit. Yeah, yeah, it's like 1302 01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:34,880 ridiculous on all darts players because it's not because they're not as strong as golfers, 1303 01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:39,359 whom are many of our fat by our own admission. I think it's 1304 01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:44,119 just aiming. But you're just you're just picking and choosing at golf darts, 1305 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:47,880 dude, there's there's some darts players you can watch that the Yeah, I 1306 01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:51,039 see, I see the thing you're you're latching onto, and I don't blame 1307 01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:57,319 you. It's the the act of exerting force on an object such that you 1308 01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,000 need to be strong in order to be good at something. I think you're 1309 01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:04,760 going more towards if it requires physical strength, it's more of a sport because 1310 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:11,039 that's like Michael Jordan was obviously incredibly fit, and had incredible cardio. But 1311 01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:15,159 also there's the mental element in being able to deduce exactly how much force to 1312 01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:16,840 put on the ball to put it in the hoop, which that's that is 1313 01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:21,680 what I was saying. I think Michael Jordan someone and it's unfair to point 1314 01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:27,760 out one of the best athletes ever his range of skills is more impressive to 1315 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:32,600 me than esports players. However, there are still esports players to me that 1316 01:32:33,079 --> 01:32:38,760 are And I say this just as someone who's tangentially interested in esports, and 1317 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:43,359 I'm not really interested in esports, but I've seen Overwatch players up close who 1318 01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:45,560 the stuff they can pull off as a team is as impressive as like a 1319 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,319 golfer. Because in mind, in case you're wondering about my level of expertise 1320 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:54,479 here, I have never seen esports and can't name a single esports players. 1321 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,800 Wait, you're arguing about something that you're not fully informed about. I know 1322 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,359 it sounds crazy, but may look was brest upon me. I know this 1323 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:08,560 sounds crazy, this argument was threst upon me. I really I really against 1324 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,560 a wall here? Are you guys really surprised asking me the questions I'm saying, 1325 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,119 to the best of my knowledge, I'm answering them. We're learning a 1326 01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:20,279 lot. Yeah, DDR. I think DDR could be a person who arm 1327 01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:26,000 wrestles professionally. Oh yeah, I've seen over the top. I was just 1328 01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:28,680 said, I'm just thinking of the guy's arm snapping and over the top. 1329 01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:34,039 Yeah. But the difference to you between a person who arm wrestles professionally, 1330 01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:36,760 which is a lot of strength in your arm to be able to go from 1331 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:43,159 this position down you gotta turn your hat backwards to and a person who has 1332 01:33:43,239 --> 01:33:49,119 to very accurately and perfectly throw a dart from here to forward. Not I 1333 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:54,119 don't have a stry opinion on the darts thing. I feel like I wouldn't 1334 01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:59,560 put it in the traditional sports realm, but I could go either way with 1335 01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,119 that. I just don't one goes this way, one goes this way. 1336 01:34:02,119 --> 01:34:05,479 Yeah, but there's and then there's you know, it's a different thing. 1337 01:34:08,399 --> 01:34:12,960 They are herken those down there, they are going down the line. Everyone 1338 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,399 you're describing is way more of an athlete than me. Let me make that 1339 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:20,760 clear. We're discussing sport, whether or not it's a sport. I think 1340 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:26,439 I think Dan, you keep coming back to equating it needs to take you 1341 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:33,079 need to be exerting force on another object or like whether it be like I 1342 01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:39,479 think you're equating the amount of movement and exertion a person is putting into it 1343 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,600 with it being a sport. Hence you're not you know, saying I think 1344 01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,600 there are rules to what a sport like. For instance, I consider professional 1345 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:50,159 wrestlers to be athletes. I don't consider wrestling to be a sport because it's 1346 01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:54,840 not. It's not for real, you know, it's scripted. It's a 1347 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,239 performance, you know, like, but I do consider them athletes just because 1348 01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:01,560 of the level of physical Like there's a lot of physical demands and being a 1349 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,800 wrestler, so I consider them athletes, just the same way I consider cheerleading 1350 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,840 to be you know, they are athletes, but I consider that to be 1351 01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,960 a sport because that's real. You know, there's actual competition there. Competition 1352 01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:21,640 is a key part of sports, moving around physical exertion. Competition. Yes, 1353 01:35:24,119 --> 01:35:28,680 I yeah. So Also maybe another thing you're coming back to, Dan 1354 01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:33,359 is in all the things that you're calling sports, the person is doing something 1355 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:40,680 with their own body, whereas esports there's a bit of separation because they're controlling 1356 01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,159 an avatar, which is doing things which is obviously being reductive. They're they're 1357 01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:47,960 aiming the gun and overwatched their encounter strike. But like it's the fact that 1358 01:35:48,039 --> 01:35:53,960 there's technically the digital divide between their body and what's happening. Is that what's 1359 01:35:54,199 --> 01:35:58,680 giving you pause? Because golf like your and there is a sedentary nature to 1360 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,279 it, like it's it's physically sentenary. Obviously mentally there's a ton that has 1361 01:36:01,319 --> 01:36:03,880 to be going on, and obviously there's a lot of like finger dexterity in 1362 01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,079 a hand eye coordination. But like what other sports do you see where somebody 1363 01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:11,600 who's just like sitting in a chair not moving anything but their fingers. You 1364 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:20,920 know, you gotta lean uh F one Formula one racing, Like there's a 1365 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:26,920 lot of like fighting the wheel and fight like curling curling. You gotta be 1366 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,920 able to skate. That's more than sitting. They don't fucking skate skate with 1367 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:38,479 a little curl. You're just standing around none up with not that guy, 1368 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:43,399 then the other guy, the guy who throws it. You gotta do a 1369 01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:48,720 little slide. You dropped to a knee. Again, everything you're describing there 1370 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:56,479 is more physical activity going on than esports. I think. I think that's 1371 01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,880 the key thing is that you're just sitting in a chair, not moving anything 1372 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,960 at your fingers, Like, that's I think the thing right there. Everything 1373 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,560 else you're describe, and even if it's not constant moving around, not everyone's 1374 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,199 Michael Jordan, but like if you're up and moving around in golf and you 1375 01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:11,279 have to make contact with the ball and the strength to put it down the 1376 01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:15,600 field, like that's more than sitting in a chair. But it's not always 1377 01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,920 strength. It's really more about dexterity and focus and like getting it to do 1378 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,399 what you want to do. And the ability to do that precision with a 1379 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,840 mouse and keyboard and to have the ability to have that convert to a digital 1380 01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,560 space is extraordinary. It is, and it's extremely impressive. I just think 1381 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:38,399 it's a different thing than sports. It's its own thing. Like I wish 1382 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,319 it had its own name that was not esports, because then people would just 1383 01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:44,079 say, oh, it's it's competitive gaming. You know, it's a different 1384 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,880 thing. It's in a different category. This is a genuine question, Mary, 1385 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,159 you would probably be the best equipped to answer this. It within esports, 1386 01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:56,159 is there still a push for them to be considered do they want to 1387 01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:00,560 be considered sports or most esports athletes and organizations like cool with just being nowhere 1388 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,520 esports. I think, I know there's college scholarships and shit, now it's 1389 01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:11,000 a fucking serious thing. Yeah, it's a legit way to make a living 1390 01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,640 now, and so I think they just want to be I don't think they 1391 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,000 actually care if it's sports specifically. I think they want to be legitimized as 1392 01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:21,840 someone who is a contender in the space. So just as you know Lebron 1393 01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:27,640 can make a deal for one hundred million, I think esports players are making 1394 01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,680 really big million dollar deals and would like to be respected in their space for 1395 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,880 hitting that deal. Does it need to be because it's a sport, Probably 1396 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:42,279 not as important as this is a competitive race and I am the best in 1397 01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:45,520 the business and I and they want validation for that. I think also like 1398 01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:50,000 validation for the sport in general, because when you're seeing, you know, 1399 01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:59,119 a sport on your cable news set network, they would say, like StarCraft 1400 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:03,560 deserves to have a channel, no different because people watch it. Okay, 1401 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:08,119 okay, so you guys seen the Whiplash the movie. Oh yeah, it's 1402 01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,960 one of my favorites. So we talked about it on this podcast several times. 1403 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,720 Yeah, so it is that. I mean that requires incredible there's a 1404 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,800 physical element, there's a you know, there's the timing, there's the training, 1405 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,359 there's the skill involved. But I don't see a lot of people saying 1406 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,119 drumming is a sport. It's music. It's a different thing. That's how 1407 01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:27,279 I feel about. I think the lines there blurry as well, because it's 1408 01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:30,279 technically for entertainment. They're getting paid a lot. But yeah, then you 1409 01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:32,479 would say, like, well, they're artists, they're expressing themselves creatively. 1410 01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:38,159 You could like there are a lot of professional, like legendary baseball players who 1411 01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:41,159 have said that was a big part of the sport for them was expressing themselves 1412 01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:44,600 creatively as well. So there's blurred lines there as well. I'd say, 1413 01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,399 yeah, not everything that requires skill in training. Sure I would. I 1414 01:39:46,399 --> 01:39:49,439 wouldn't. I wouldn't go to a jazz show and say I'm going to a 1415 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,079 sporting event, right, I'm going to go see the athletes, but I'm 1416 01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:59,479 going to see these athletes compete against each other club in New York with your 1417 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,760 chest pain and cheering. Yeah great, you know what I mean. It's 1418 01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,640 like, Yeah, I would never deny the training and skill involved, but 1419 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:11,199 it's just not everything that requires training and skill and execution as a sport. 1420 01:40:11,319 --> 01:40:15,279 That's it, right, That's where I think. That was where I was 1421 01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:20,960 at last week. But my thing was just like I still I can more 1422 01:40:21,039 --> 01:40:28,159 easily. And it's funny because in the gap between Michael Jordan's skill set and 1423 01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:33,520 mine athletically is like the distance from here to the Grand Canyon. I can 1424 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:39,760 still more easily relate to what he's doing because it's just he's still using a 1425 01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,720 human body, even if it's nothing like mine at all. Whereas esports, 1426 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,279 to me, it's harder for me to be impressed. But again, I 1427 01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:51,720 don't have the knowledge base that someone like Mary does, so I'm sure if 1428 01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:57,439 I put a lot of effort into understanding esports more and of which I have, 1429 01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,159 Like I was covering overwatched League for a while and I was watching at 1430 01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:01,439 and as someone who played a lot of Overwatch, it was easier for me. 1431 01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,680 It understands, like, oh fuck, that was what they just did 1432 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:09,439 as a team was nuts, right, very difficult for this Widowmaker player to 1433 01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,239 have pulled off that shot. After all this had been happening, and it 1434 01:41:12,319 --> 01:41:15,239 was frantic that was incredible. But yeah, again to me, it's not. 1435 01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,920 To me, I think it will still the range of skills involved to 1436 01:41:20,079 --> 01:41:25,800 do what the Denver Nuggets just did, I think is still more impressive. 1437 01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,520 On a base level. Yeah, slash can play a great solo, But 1438 01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,000 do you say wow, what an athlete afterwards? I like, no, 1439 01:41:31,319 --> 01:41:33,800 no one does that because it's a different thing. It's a different role. 1440 01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:38,079 And that's not saying anything is above or below anything. It's just saying these 1441 01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:46,439 are different things. I would still classify competition as sport even though it might 1442 01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:51,479 not have athletes, and I think that's the difference. I've recognized that every 1443 01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:55,880 time you don't classify athletes, you're saying it's not a sport. But I 1444 01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,119 would say that I that's where I am different because I don't think it requires 1445 01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:05,119 athletes for it to be a sport. Are competition sport then yes, by 1446 01:42:05,159 --> 01:42:13,279 that definition, absolutely, But I mean sport is jeopardy, didn't The definition 1447 01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,520 is we'll afford to a sport. No no, no, no no no 1448 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:16,560 no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. 1449 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,279 I don't mary correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think that you 1450 01:42:20,359 --> 01:42:24,479 were saying any competition as a sport, she's saying the opposite. A jazz 1451 01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,880 competition, you would not consider a sport even though it's competition. She's saying 1452 01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,600 that you can be an athlete even if you are not playing a sport. 1453 01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:36,399 Like Dan, you yourself said that wrestling our athletes, but it's not a 1454 01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:40,479 sport. That's different. But no, But the reason I said that is 1455 01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:44,920 because they're doing crazy scripted. Yeah, not everything is a sport. But 1456 01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:47,279 what I'm saying is is whether or not it contains athletes, isn't the unique 1457 01:42:47,319 --> 01:42:51,039 identifier of whether or not it deserves to qualify as a sport. There's other 1458 01:42:51,159 --> 01:42:55,319 things. We all agree that the sports players are not athletes, but e 1459 01:42:55,479 --> 01:43:00,560 sports or sports? Is that where we landed. Yes, okay, I 1460 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:01,920 would say I wouldn't. We'll see, Hi. The thing is is, 1461 01:43:02,359 --> 01:43:06,800 I would say that you they're athletic in other ways. I think that the 1462 01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:13,720 dexterity extremely and the hand eye coordination is athletic ability. So I would disagree 1463 01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,359 with you a little bit. Yeah, okay, like you're assuming athletes athletic 1464 01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:21,119 ability is something like you can see and you can understand and comprehend, whereas 1465 01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:26,039 like a lot of athletic ability is anate, right. You can tell when 1466 01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:30,159 someone is strong and when someone can jump really high, but it's also really 1467 01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:35,640 crazy for someone to be able to I'm trying to think of a better example. 1468 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,079 Like the dart example is really good when they're just extraordinary because of their 1469 01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:44,399 experience. They're able to hit a bull's eye a lot better than you, 1470 01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:48,760 and that's a lot harder for you to maybe comprehend as skilled and training and 1471 01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:56,359 dexterous. But that is very similar to someone being able to to make a 1472 01:43:56,399 --> 01:44:00,439 lot of actions on their mouse very quickly. But that all that goes to 1473 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,960 the music thing too, like a master drummer or what is your point with 1474 01:44:03,359 --> 01:44:08,439 music though that Like if you're saying that it's just the dexterity and the training 1475 01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:11,079 and all that stuff, that all that applies to the musicians that I don't 1476 01:44:11,079 --> 01:44:15,319 consider athletes. You know, Yeah, what if they were competing on a 1477 01:44:15,399 --> 01:44:19,640 guitar off like a jazz competition like in Whiplash there's a jazz competition in it. 1478 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:23,600 Yeah, still don't think that's sports. Yeah, I wouldn't call it 1479 01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:27,079 sport, but technically by definition I guess it would be. But it is 1480 01:44:27,159 --> 01:44:30,479 a sport. Yeah, but again, music is its own, bigger thing 1481 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:35,439 that has more, its own vague and nebulous. I think that's just competitive 1482 01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:39,279 gaming. I think that's you know, it is its own the music. 1483 01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:44,079 There's sports, there's competitive gaming. It's just all right, Dan, You 1484 01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:48,159 and I were both playing cookie clicker and the winner got one hundred thousand dollars. 1485 01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:57,319 Is that a sport? No? Why not? Again the same same 1486 01:44:57,319 --> 01:45:00,439 reason these words aren't. It's just we're just clicking a button. But I 1487 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,000 can click it faster than you and win. And it required training for me 1488 01:45:05,079 --> 01:45:09,079 to click my finger as fast as humanly possible. And I've been training for 1489 01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:11,479 weeks. I've been training. I've been training for that my whole life, 1490 01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,920 you know what I mean. Oh my god, I hope people weren't watching 1491 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,880 the video when he did that filthy gesture. Cooky Jare is not even an 1492 01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:27,239 option. Oh my god, he passed outlet he said, I rest my 1493 01:45:27,319 --> 01:45:32,359 case. I think we all learned something. Shit. Oh, I think 1494 01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:36,800 we've all really grown from this experience. That the basis of this podcast is 1495 01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:40,960 none of us learned shit. That's why I love you guys, because we 1496 01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:45,119 can get to a point where I think we know less than the don't. 1497 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:48,600 I think Dan seeded some ground to Mary. Mary. I think I think 1498 01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:54,039 Dad made a few good points. Uh. I think this was a healthy 1499 01:45:54,079 --> 01:46:01,199 exercise in being open minded. I think so like my sockers, so I'm 1500 01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:05,960 the open min Oh god, Paul like, oh no, oh God, 1501 01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:11,479 no. Yeah. Let's rest assured we pissed off everybody in this episode, 1502 01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,399 then good mission accomplished. Yes, if we could piss off both sides of 1503 01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,479 an argument, then we've also succeeded in our own Are the people going to 1504 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,960 do with the Blackhouse going on? Oh? God, I can't read their 1505 01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:27,399 thoughts? Okay? Um? So what am I doing here? What did 1506 01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,680 I did? I? Oh? I did? Did someone add this? 1507 01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:34,960 I might have added that? Okay? Um? Dan, do you want 1508 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:40,760 to read this? First one from justin? This is? This is not 1509 01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,359 a question, but it's just more of a you help them out in a 1510 01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:46,880 roundabout way. Yeah. Big shout out to Dan for his random swerve into 1511 01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:51,119 a detailed discussion on the makeup of raw sewage. At the exact moment, 1512 01:46:51,159 --> 01:46:56,479 I was sitting down with a piping hot bowl of mushroom bisk the creamy brown 1513 01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:00,920 broth of the bisk the little hidden pieces of mushrooms swirling beneath the surface with 1514 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,319 every stir. I'll bet it was delicious. Keep at it, Dan, 1515 01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:08,479 I'll be real thin by this time next year with this book approach. That's 1516 01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,600 justin from San Marcos, Texas. Why was I talking about a sewage? 1517 01:47:12,319 --> 01:47:15,640 You just asked, is sewage poop? And then we talked about it. 1518 01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,279 I still don't know the show. We're all I can promise you it's not 1519 01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:26,239 a sport. Sewage is not a sport. I'll agree with a new merch 1520 01:47:26,359 --> 01:47:29,760 line. Sewage is not a sport. Get it at Fourth Wall under Fire 1521 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,279 Escape Um. Mary Nick is from Perth, So do you want to read 1522 01:47:33,319 --> 01:47:35,960 this one? Dan? This is a reaction to you, or rather, 1523 01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:41,199 as long as we're being open minded this episode this is one about your taking 1524 01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:45,119 a large inhale right before you get ejected into space. This is a way 1525 01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:50,439 to explain it in a way that maybe we'll make more sense. I don't 1526 01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:54,239 know, but Mary Nick is from Perth, who you've had beef with lately, 1527 01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:58,000 so I'll let you read this. I feel bad about the Perth talking 1528 01:47:58,119 --> 01:48:00,680 for it. You've got just as many support as detractors, so all right, 1529 01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:05,520 well good, I'll take fifty, All right, deer fire escape ease. 1530 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:10,640 In regards to Dan's confusion about breathing in space, I think in order 1531 01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:15,119 for Dan to quote unquote get it, he needs to experience it. Is 1532 01:48:15,159 --> 01:48:21,359 this guy gonna murder danced into the atmosphere. Get a strong vacuum cleaner, 1533 01:48:23,039 --> 01:48:28,279 Grab the hose extension, turn on the vacuum, pop the whole thing in 1534 01:48:28,359 --> 01:48:31,520 your mouth, make a seal around it, plug your nose, and try 1535 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,359 taking a breath out of the end of it. Space is a vacuum, 1536 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:39,680 get it. It sucks all of the air out of you. Return. 1537 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,600 It's not a literal vacuum cleaner. That's where the name vacuum cleaner comes from. 1538 01:48:44,039 --> 01:48:48,880 Okay, well, okay, who invented the vacuum? You know what 1539 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,319 I mean? I was looking around. I don't see a vacuum cleaner around 1540 01:48:53,359 --> 01:48:56,239 here. Bottle bottle would work too. Yeah, So let's say I squeeze 1541 01:48:56,399 --> 01:49:00,359 this right, so there's not much air for the video this is. That's 1542 01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:02,039 not a vacuum. There's still air in there, no matter much. Right, 1543 01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:05,600 hypothetically shouldn't run out of air, and then I can't know that is 1544 01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:09,680 literally not a vacuum because there's always going to be auction there. Vacuum. 1545 01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:15,079 Literally, there's nothing, there's oxygen in there. Hang on, Yes, 1546 01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:18,800 hypothetically if you were to suck all of the air out a vacuum. But 1547 01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:25,560 I'm kind of understanding, yes, all right, squeeze all the air out 1548 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,960 of this bottle. You're just like making your own rules in the science experiments 1549 01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,479 that you can win. Yeah, but you're getting it, you see what 1550 01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,560 I mean. Like, I've never understood it until just now. It's like 1551 01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:39,720 you're It's like you're literally I can't even make the can't do that? Holy 1552 01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:44,560 shit? Was this Nick from Perth nailed it? I can solve it. 1553 01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,760 It would feel this way in space terrible. I don't feel anything. They're 1554 01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:58,039 dead. I've never seens Yep. That's I can't I can't reach shit in. 1555 01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:00,600 I can't even make Nick from Perth. I hope you're a science teacher 1556 01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:05,800 because you are changing lives in high school. I squeeze this bottle. So 1557 01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,439 there's like no space in here at all. So that's why I wasn't able 1558 01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:13,920 to bring anything in because there's nothing in there. Space is nothing but space. 1559 01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:18,800 Space is nothing, but space is nothing but a big breath of oxygen. 1560 01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:20,680 You want to move around in it. I can't move around on this 1561 01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:25,199 bottle now, I made it too. It's a it's a huge empty hint 1562 01:50:25,239 --> 01:50:30,039 bottle. Mhm. But I could move the fact that there's no space, 1563 01:50:30,319 --> 01:50:33,119 so yes, But imagine you are you were going into space and you're trying 1564 01:50:33,159 --> 01:50:36,399 to take that one last breath. That's what it would feel like, because 1565 01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:41,039 there's terrible if that was real. So there's another email we got which just 1566 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:45,000 explained it more scientifically. If your lungs are punctured, the reason you can't 1567 01:50:45,159 --> 01:50:49,520 you can't breathe is because there is no differential between the pressure outside of your 1568 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:55,199 lungs and inside. So right now there's no difference between what's inside the bottle 1569 01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:59,880 and what's inside you, So you can't exchange oxygen or expel oxygen into it. 1570 01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,520 What happened there's literally lungs like what's going on with the pressure situation there? 1571 01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:08,359 When you inhale, the pressure would decrease to allow for air, I 1572 01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,319 believe, and then when you're exhaling, you are putting higher pressure in your 1573 01:51:11,359 --> 01:51:14,399 lungs to get rid of air. I might be swapping those on your lungs 1574 01:51:14,399 --> 01:51:16,039 like a couple of shaken up like beer cans, and then like when you 1575 01:51:16,119 --> 01:51:19,680 breathe, no no no. So if your lung is punctured, say there's 1576 01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:24,319 a hole at the bottom of your lung, you can't really inhale because the 1577 01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:28,119 air would just be going back out into outside of your body, and thus 1578 01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,199 there's no difference in pressure. I think I'm getting more confused. That's I 1579 01:51:31,279 --> 01:51:33,600 know. That's why this one made more sense, because it's like a physical 1580 01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:39,800 experiment you can do feel so bad. I know. That's why you don't 1581 01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,520 want to get launched into space. It'd be fine there, but this is 1582 01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,319 bad. Okay, Thank you Nick from Perth, and thank you for reading 1583 01:51:45,359 --> 01:51:48,319 it. Mary. I'll read this one. This is an old school West 1584 01:51:48,359 --> 01:51:51,279 from Baltimore is always very good. He eat gets us with his questions. 1585 01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:59,600 What is the best fruit in its most ideal form? Pineapple? In the 1586 01:52:00,319 --> 01:52:02,359 up form? You get the little clear tupperwork thing at the grocery store, 1587 01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,319 and it's cut up, and it's the kind that's like if it's just like 1588 01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:10,079 too white, you know it's gonna be kind of like tough and flavorless and 1589 01:52:10,199 --> 01:52:15,520 watery. I think you want the ones that's like fucking like uh, dehydrated 1590 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,319 pea yellow like that, that type of yellow, just like just deep yellow 1591 01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:26,399 and wet and juicy pineapple. That's it. I was gonna I was gonna 1592 01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:30,960 stress the criteria even further and say apple pie is pretty good. I realized 1593 01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:34,720 there are other things involved, right, But I'm just stretching the criteria if 1594 01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:41,920 we're just sticking specifically, are you? Because it says it says um it's 1595 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,800 a most ideal form and a form could be like sprinkling sugar on it, 1596 01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,479 and then what's the difference between sprinkling. I think the form has to be 1597 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:55,600 with nothing the fruit in and of itself. I would say really good batch 1598 01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:00,159 of peaches I think are my favorite fruit, and that's as is. Oh 1599 01:53:00,279 --> 01:53:08,479 yeah, but we're talking like like recipes involving something or like something that's based 1600 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,520 heavily around like an apple pie is based around apples. Oh fuck now, 1601 01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:14,239 I'd say peach cobbler's pretty good. I'm just thinking about desserts with fruits in 1602 01:53:14,319 --> 01:53:20,880 it. Cobbler. Never had a cobbler they're good, or like a fucking 1603 01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:25,760 orange peel in an old fashioned always gets me as well. But you're not 1604 01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:29,239 eating the orange peel. Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute, fucking 1605 01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:34,359 West got me. I'm gonna go wine. Wait, not just grapes, 1606 01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:38,640 right, Don't they add stuff? Yeah? I mean more often than not, 1607 01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,000 there's other stuff in it. Yeah. Do they add the alcohol? 1608 01:53:41,079 --> 01:53:44,239 Or is alcohol in the alcohol? Is when the yeast breaks down the sugar 1609 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,600 produces alcohol or is the yeast in the grapes or no? Sorry, does 1610 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:53,640 get that wrong? That's the that's all alcohol. I believe we've talked about 1611 01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,399 this before in the show, like episode thirteen or something. Alcohol is the 1612 01:53:56,439 --> 01:54:01,720 result of yeast digesting sugar. It's like pumpkins outside too long. Right, 1613 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:06,239 you're looking fun of someone not knowing where something comes from. You've read Webster's 1614 01:54:06,279 --> 01:54:15,039 Dictionary like five times. Stop people telling people on the Somalia for people, 1615 01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,439 but a dart sexpert either, I just really like it and I'm bad at 1616 01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,279 it, so I know how hard it can be. Uh. Wine, 1617 01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:24,039 I would say, is the ideal form of a fruit, but it adds 1618 01:54:24,039 --> 01:54:29,399 stuff to it. Yeah, but like pie, because they're adding That's that's 1619 01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:31,720 why I said. My answer to the basic of fruit in and of itself 1620 01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:35,239 and its best form is a peach okay, okay, peach close second is 1621 01:54:35,239 --> 01:54:40,199 a BlackBerry. Good. Blackberries are really fucking good, perfect tartness, perfect 1622 01:54:40,199 --> 01:54:45,960 sweetness, good texture, chewier than blueberries, which I also like. Blueberries 1623 01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:49,159 don't have enough flavor for me. They're always so neutral. I've soured on 1624 01:54:49,239 --> 01:54:53,760 blueberries, no pun intended. Over the over the years, blackberries have supplanted 1625 01:54:54,039 --> 01:54:58,720 blueberries is my favorite berry. I started having cherries and for the first time, 1626 01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,359 like I thought, I've been real my whole life that they're the Marrachino 1627 01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:03,800 cherries. Bank got me in on the ones of the actual like nuts in 1628 01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,800 the middle and stuff and those are kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1629 01:55:08,079 --> 01:55:11,600 yeah, the cherries are awesome. Oh dude, my my my mom used 1630 01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,000 to get the whole bunch of cherries in the bag, rinse them, keep 1631 01:55:14,039 --> 01:55:15,359 them in the colander in the sink, and like throughout the week we would 1632 01:55:15,359 --> 01:55:17,880 just pick out. Yeah, yeah, they're good. It's good. So 1633 01:55:18,039 --> 01:55:21,439 yeah, if you get, if you get good, like if you're having 1634 01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:28,000 a Manhattan certain companies like Bullet makes its own Maraschino cherries and those are a 1635 01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:32,159 bit if you're thinking like the spectrum of Maraschino cherries too, And I don't 1636 01:55:32,199 --> 01:55:35,199 know what makes a Marischino cherry Marichino cherry. I'm assuming it's some sort of 1637 01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:41,880 it's the sugar involved or whatever. But you can get bullet Maraschino cherries, 1638 01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,319 which are darker and closer to real cherries, to put in your Manhattan's old 1639 01:55:45,399 --> 01:55:51,319 fashions, et cetera. Yeah, they're good. Marichino cherries are good. 1640 01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:56,239 Um. I like blackberries, and I would even advance that to the Marion 1641 01:55:56,359 --> 01:56:00,119 berry, which is a BlackBerry only grown in the Portland area. I've heard 1642 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:03,840 of those because that that. I've never had a poison berry that wasn't like 1643 01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:09,840 on pancakes. I've never had it like again in and of itself, but 1644 01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:13,720 I've had it as like the syrupy drizzle they put on pancakes. And I've 1645 01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,399 never had a Marion berry on its own. Marion Barry. Are they named 1646 01:56:15,399 --> 01:56:21,119 after the crack smoking mare. I don't think they're named after the crack smoking 1647 01:56:21,399 --> 01:56:25,600 that's the same phrase, Marion Barry. Is it not a jokey name? 1648 01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:30,600 I think it's not exist before the scandal in like nineteen ninety five. I 1649 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:34,520 don't know. I feel like it might be a jokey winky like hey, 1650 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:41,000 it's like the crack smoking mare. Marion Barry joked about him high school high 1651 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,319 it was named Marion Berry High School. That was a that was a big 1652 01:56:44,359 --> 01:56:48,079 reference in nineteen ninety five. Ninety Marion Barry was developed at Oregon State University 1653 01:56:48,119 --> 01:56:51,479 in nineteen forty five. Okay, so a pre dates the crack smoking Mare. 1654 01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:57,840 Yes, it was Marian Berry. Berry was the crack smoking mare. 1655 01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:01,319 Oh god, holy shit. Yeah, his teeth. Oh my god, 1656 01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:06,159 this dude smoked some crack. Yeah, I'm not I don't. He's an 1657 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:10,520 Arkansas's first No, he was a house he was in the House of Representatives. 1658 01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,720 Yeah, and he smoked crack. I've never seen a white Arkansas dude 1659 01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,079 that like clearly smoke crack as much as this guy before. Wait, are 1660 01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:23,720 you looking at the same guy? I think so. I don't think we're 1661 01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:30,239 looking at the same guy. Wait, seriously, I n B A R 1662 01:57:30,439 --> 01:57:34,840 R Y. Oh Oh my god, I am so sorry to mister Barry. 1663 01:57:36,079 --> 01:57:39,920 Oh my god, this dude just died on May nineteenth, too, 1664 01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:47,000 crack smoke. Let me I'm posting this in our discord right now. The 1665 01:57:47,079 --> 01:57:50,119 guy up, this guy, the guy I'm looking at, just died like 1666 01:57:50,319 --> 01:57:54,159 three weeks ago, and I was just making ripping on him. I'm so 1667 01:57:54,359 --> 01:57:57,960 sorry, not a crack smoking man. I apologize to anybody who knows Marion 1668 01:57:58,079 --> 01:58:05,800 Barry, who knew there were two people named Marion Berry who are like Sorry, 1669 01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:13,960 the Americans represented for Arkansas's first congressional district from nineteen ninety seven to twenty 1670 01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,399 eleven. He was a Democrat. Sorry that we assumed you were a crack 1671 01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:23,880 smoker and maybe a berry. Look this guy up. He separated in November 1672 01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,479 nineteen nineties, soon after he was caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine with an 1673 01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:35,039 X model and propositioning her for six many Marion Berries are there? Okay, 1674 01:58:35,279 --> 01:58:39,000 this guy's body isn't even cold yet, and I was just ripping on his 1675 01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:42,159 teeth. I am very so. I don't have great teeth. For what 1676 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:48,000 it's worth, I shouldn't be crack. No, oh, man, I 1677 01:58:48,079 --> 01:58:54,319 feel bad. I mean that there would be another Marion Berry is beyond you, 1678 01:58:54,640 --> 01:59:00,880 Jake Marion Berries. Two dudes in a berry, one of which is 1679 01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,119 a crack fiend. What did this guy ever? One day they'll make a 1680 01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:10,640 movie about this and it'll be called Dude God. This guy's is long the 1681 01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:15,479 Berry Your Personal Life and Death. Barry resided in Gillette, Arkansas, with 1682 01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:19,000 his wife Carolyn, Carolyn, I hope you are don't listen to fire Escape. 1683 01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:21,760 He identified as a Methodist. He died in Little Rock, Arkansas, 1684 01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:29,359 on May nineteenth, twenty twenty three. He was eighty, justifying, Wow, 1685 01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:33,439 he fucking destroyed the other dude dead Barry. Oh, I see the 1686 01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:38,560 other Marion Barry. Oh, Robert Marion Barry is okay. Oh, but 1687 01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:43,079 he went by his middle unbelievable. We have the same birthday. No, 1688 01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:47,600 we don't. Just kidding. That's not even a joke. Um. That 1689 01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,920 was the first guy that popped up when I because I spelled Barry b r 1690 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:55,640 o y and it popped up. Yeah, okay, all right, we 1691 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,199 got there. I think we're we've all learned. You know, we say 1692 01:59:58,279 --> 02:00:00,479 we never learned anything on this podcast. I've learned a great deal to way 1693 02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:06,880 types of Marion Berry. Today we wed without questions. Webster's Dictionary define Marion 1694 02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:12,640 Berry as Dan. We just fine sports. Today. We taught Dan how 1695 02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:16,960 he would suffocate in space with a bottle. I taught myself because I'd like 1696 02:00:17,039 --> 02:00:23,079 to teach myself things. Uh we uh we got a new merch line. 1697 02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:26,439 It's Marion Barry and Marion Berry and Mary and Barry on the shirt. Two 1698 02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:30,479 in a Berry shirt, two duds in a berry. Um, Mary, 1699 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:35,000 we should just we should get a merch line that's just the political campaign for 1700 02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:42,680 Marion Barry but Ash Berry. And it's up to whoever's reading. It could 1701 02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:45,000 be a Berry, it could be Marion Barry, it could be Mary and 1702 02:00:45,039 --> 02:00:49,840 Berry. Mary. And then new under media a podcast called Mary and Barry 1703 02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:58,720 where our friend Barry Smith talks to Mary about fruit and politics and crack back 1704 02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:08,039 to Mary and Berry episode. All right, all right, how we talked 1705 02:01:08,119 --> 02:01:10,159 earlier. Right now, since we're not drinking here, it's gonna be really 1706 02:01:10,199 --> 02:01:14,479 straight lace game. Yeah, we did say that, probably a more boring 1707 02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:19,600 episode. If anybody's wondering what we're like completely sober, this is a pretty 1708 02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:24,800 good indication. All right. Do you guys have the wine for it? 1709 02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,920 Yeah? Yeah, you have the wine for it. For the listeners. 1710 02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:30,520 For viewers, fireskate cast at gmail dot com. Also you can go to 1711 02:01:31,279 --> 02:01:35,199 fireskatecast dot com, which is also our Patreon, and you can sign up 1712 02:01:35,239 --> 02:01:38,720 for several tiers if you just want to treat as a tip jar because you 1713 02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,319 like what we're doing, which we always appreciate. Go do that. You 1714 02:01:41,359 --> 02:01:44,039 want to get ad free episodes, go do that. If you want to 1715 02:01:44,079 --> 02:01:46,439 get video versions, go do that. You can see Dan sucking on a 1716 02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:49,880 empty what kind of what drink was that? It was a hint bottle? 1717 02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:55,840 A hint hint? Is that a hemp drink? It was a hint of 1718 02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:59,439 water. Mott got a hint of said a hint because that's his it's his 1719 02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:02,439 favorite form of fruit. Yeah, yes, yes, the ideal water. 1720 02:02:04,119 --> 02:02:11,000 Actually my favorite by ideal form fruit is great fruit lacroix um. Yeah, 1721 02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:15,840 go to our patron do that. Patrons are basically what fund our end of 1722 02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:19,439 the year party extravaganza, game of the year stuff, which, if all 1723 02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,760 goes according to plan, will be in Portland for at the end of this 1724 02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:26,279 year. We keep inviting ourselves and Mary doesn't object, so we're gonna keep 1725 02:02:26,319 --> 02:02:30,039 going through that. Patrons kind of make those happen. Um. Outside of 1726 02:02:30,079 --> 02:02:32,439 that, Dan tell people what they can do on Spotify, iTunes, et 1727 02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:36,479 cetera. Give it the old five stars on Spotify or wherever you listen to 1728 02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,800 your podcast. It's pretty easy. Just Spotify, click the star thing, 1729 02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:44,720 the rating thing click five fuse us, Just fuse us and then divide that 1730 02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,800 score by two and then give us that many stars. That what, no, 1731 02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:54,239 fuse us, you give us a ten whichever sho Okay, okay, 1732 02:02:54,359 --> 02:02:57,239 yes, yes, yes, don't don't give us an eight point seven five. 1733 02:02:57,239 --> 02:02:59,920 I don't want to run. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. There is 1734 02:03:00,039 --> 02:03:03,319 a function that iTunes Spotify introduced that lets the creator know where you live if 1735 02:03:03,359 --> 02:03:08,000 you do fewer than five stars. And I take full advantage of it, 1736 02:03:08,279 --> 02:03:19,840 so I hold the keys the account. My dad's a skeleton. This is 1737 02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:24,760 bad radio. But Dan just went to adjust himself and full on, like 1738 02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:30,800 I'm just selling some video subscriptions right now on the Patreon. That's he went 1739 02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,319 to like smoothly readjust and kind of like changed hands he was resting on and 1740 02:03:33,479 --> 02:03:38,800 just like punched the desk. Yeah, that feel good. That's good radio. 1741 02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:43,279 Mary. Tell people where they can get some hot merch. There's so 1742 02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:47,560 many places where you can get hot merch. But there's the main place, 1743 02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:53,159 and that's fire Escape merch dot com. That's the one place. There's so 1744 02:03:53,239 --> 02:04:00,840 many places. Well, maybe Marion Barry on there in the future merch on 1745 02:04:00,399 --> 02:04:06,960 fire Escape. Uh, merch dot com. There's lots of good stuff on 1746 02:04:08,039 --> 02:04:12,439 their bottles, mugs, t shirts, cropped sweaters. Let's see that belly 1747 02:04:13,159 --> 02:04:16,880 um, see that widow belly button. We want to see it. Show 1748 02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:21,319 me your eight pack, baby, Show me your eight packed your little infant. 1749 02:04:24,119 --> 02:04:28,239 That baby's ripped. That baby put all their put face at me. 1750 02:04:28,479 --> 02:04:32,520 Look at that ham, Look at hunkle meat. Maybe it's fucking jacked. 1751 02:04:33,880 --> 02:04:39,000 The baby must be an athlete. One arm push ups. The baby's playing 1752 02:04:39,079 --> 02:04:43,880 darts, flexing its twelve packs. It's APMs are really high, and it's 1753 02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:47,319 really good at Overwatch League, just the most jacked baby becomes the StarCraft two 1754 02:04:47,439 --> 02:04:55,159 champion I'd start, and then he's an athlete. I'm wrong thanks to what 1755 02:04:55,239 --> 02:05:04,199 would his name be for? Samous Coridian Junior third, We're also gonna be 1756 02:05:04,359 --> 02:05:08,560 I don't have anything to transition to. I think we did it all day. 1757 02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,479 We did it, Dan, What do you have going on at the 1758 02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:15,000 meantime? Giant bomb dot com and then just Dan record and everything. But 1759 02:05:15,079 --> 02:05:17,479 I'm kind of have to take a little break for a bit from the personal 1760 02:05:17,479 --> 02:05:21,159 streaming, So just checkmut on giant bomb dot com and uh yeah, that's 1761 02:05:21,199 --> 02:05:28,000 it. Mary what about y'all nothing, I'm a shell of my former self. 1762 02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:32,920 This is a no go. It's been a few weeks again, it's 1763 02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:35,920 been it's been nuts. But if you're not a subscribe, we should also 1764 02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:40,239 plug this. I guess if you're not a subscriber to the fire Escape YouTube 1765 02:05:40,319 --> 02:05:44,560 channel, go subscribe to that. That's where we've been putting up resume Force, 1766 02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:46,039 so you'll know the moment it goes up. And it helps because the 1767 02:05:46,119 --> 02:05:50,399 scheduling, the publishing schedule for that show has by design been pretty sporadic, 1768 02:05:50,479 --> 02:05:53,760 which we want it to be because it's very much a side thing. But 1769 02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,000 you'll get those notifications when we put them up if you're a subscriber, and 1770 02:05:57,119 --> 02:06:00,199 also when we do future stuff on our YouTube. It'll help Ben. You'll 1771 02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:01,359 know the moment it goes up. Yes, like Game of the Year, 1772 02:06:01,479 --> 02:06:04,079 that'll live on that one. So go ahead and subscribe now, and uh 1773 02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:06,760 yeah, we'll have more stuff up there. Correct, All right? This 1774 02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:11,960 is a good episode, yea like second ever daytime episode. I think this 1775 02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:14,760 is like morning for you, Mary, it's early afternoon for Dan and I. 1776 02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,319 Yeah, I think it's a good I got the rest of my day 1777 02:06:18,359 --> 02:06:23,439 ahead of me. Nice all right, I'll see YouTube soon at the Wine 1778 02:06:23,479 --> 02:06:27,199 four on the lacrosse fields. Please remember to write into fire skipcast gmail dot 1779 02:06:27,239 --> 02:06:30,880 com with guesses as to what street our airbnb is on. That's a self 1780 02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:33,359 parody of my interests. And I'm very curious what people think or tweeted at 1781 02:06:33,399 --> 02:06:38,000 us. I don't care either one. I'm curious what people think of me 1782 02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:45,000 one thousand dollars Bill Avenue, Yes, am I, I guess I do 1783 02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:49,680 make mad gosh. I think your interests imply is certain sailboats and wine and 1784 02:06:49,960 --> 02:07:00,760 cool lots drive. I've got expensive tastes and I for expensive paste, cufflinks 1785 02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:10,039 circle, that'd be sick. What do rich people have? Dan boats, 1786 02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:17,560 boats avenue. That's the most boring one ever. Git, Look, I'm 1787 02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:20,560 not an athlete. I can't think the find me at eighteen twenty seven boat 1788 02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:29,760 Avenue. Bitches rhino meat, all right, tax to circle. Well, 1789 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:34,279 so I've got mad all those rich people with all their taxidermy homes. No, 1790 02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:41,640 they're like, they're like rhinos and stuff. We will be back in 1791 02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:44,920 a couple of weeks, July three. We'll be back, U will we? 1792 02:07:45,079 --> 02:07:47,479 Yeah, we'll be back then it will be the holiday weekend here in 1793 02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:54,000 America, we'll be back. Thank you for joining us, See you later 1794 02:07:54,119 --> 02:08:18,279 on ms ST